Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2002 Week 13: Patriots at Lions
Episode Date: September 15, 2020Ever wondered what it would be like if the Patriots were the worst team in the NFL instead of the best? Since the Patriots are playing the Lions in the 2002 Thanksgiving Day game we found a Lions fan ...to talk about how bad it could have been.You can skip watching the game though. Watchability score: 2/6 Lombardis(10:00) Check out these pictures of the abandoned Silverdome.(1:01:00) Here's the Matt Sanchez flinch and the Jay Cutler IDGAF plays we talked about.(1:08:00) If anyone knows how to edit Troy Brown's Wikipedia page let us know.And as always, here's the link to leave us a review: https://ratethispodcast.com/patspodSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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duty, you have the choice not to.
My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny.
But really, they're just being stupid.
You still want to listen?
Go right ahead.
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All right.
I'll be a fucking sine-clap guy.
Welcome back to the Bagers of Dynasty podcast, still struggling through the 2002 season.
We're at week 13 flourishing.
Flourishing.
That's right, Greg.
I agree.
I don't know.
It's one of the most losses that we're ever going to have to deal with in a season.
Oh, I meant our performance.
Oh, I'm talking about watching these football games.
Oh.
Well, Greg doesn't watch.
I meant showing up on time to these podcast recordings.
You weren't here last week.
I know.
And I've been here a lot of other weeks and I only missed one, so that's pretty good.
Yeah.
That is flourishing for Greg, for sure.
Speaking of not showing up, this week is the Detroit Lions.
Thanksgiving day.
Happy Thanksgiving, guys.
Happy Thanksgiving.
So I will start off with the bad news.
I've already shared this with my brothers.
I did go to my local Walgreens that Steve and I talked about last week.
They did not have the turkey dinner candy corn.
They had all the other flavors, but I mean, the autumn mix, it just didn't feel right.
They have autumn mix out already.
Autumn mix is out.
Pumpkins by themselves is out and regular candy corn.
Nice.
We're in a hoodie in August.
So I mean, it's autumn.
I am.
It is currently 59 degrees and Andy's going with the man that shows up to game after going
to work with hoodie underneath jersey.
Look, I got my work boots on too.
Next thing he's going to do is show up with like a collared shirt and a tie with a jersey
over it.
Those dweebs at Celtic's games.
What's a bigger heart of move though, that or just no undershirt basketball jersey?
Oh, yeah.
That's a good question.
It depends on how hairy your chest is.
We should do an online poll.
What's worse, like button down shirt under basketball jersey or absolutely nothing under
basketball jersey.
I'm a big nothing guy.
You got to go short sleeve.
Yeah.
Under basketball jersey.
Yeah.
Preferably if you can get a zip up hoodie and just wrap it over so you can still see the
jersey underneath.
That's the that's the move, but it's not always cold enough.
That's true.
Cool.
Thought a lot about it.
I'm a big jersey guy.
Yeah, I see that today.
It's your honor.
Yeah, the throwbacks for this Thanksgiving game, I have my Kevin Falk throwback bright
red jersey on.
But how?
Yeah.
Right.
Mm hmm.
And a tie law one.
But I'm the asshole for wearing a sweatshirt.
I like your jersey.
It looks good.
Yeah.
I'm wearing the the baby blue Troy Brown jersey with the the the red or the like the
shadow.
The red shadow that they have on it.
Pretty slick.
The rank rank the fate your favorite jerseys out of the three.
Three.
Three.
I mean, the only three I've ever had, Steve.
Well, there's four now.
I like the color rush.
Oh, color rush.
I didn't consider color rush.
Those ones, the ones you were in the throwbacks for the best.
Yeah.
I hate some.
The white helmets pop.
They were in this game.
It was sick.
Like I say, this was a throwback game too.
And I'm glad we're getting a Detroit Lions fan on today at some point.
Because I feel like it's a whole separate world of sports.
And I'm fascinated by what it's like to be a Lions fan because even down to the
throwback uniforms, you look at them and the Patriots have this like really cool
one that's like super retro and everybody loves.
You look at the Detroit Lions and they were playing blue jerseys and playing
silver helmets.
Fucking cool.
Yeah.
They weren't, they weren't exciting in the least bit.
No.
And that was the best part about their whole game back in 2002.
You said the most exciting part of the Lions was their throwback jerseys.
Yeah.
And they were playing.
Trevor just walked in.
So they're just like playing blue.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It's a good way to describe them.
On the way, they're like, oh fuck, we forgot.
Oh, throwback week?
Oh, fuck.
We got to run the dicks on the way to the game.
Hang on.
No, you got a Joey Harrington jersey.
It was my first ever football jersey in the year 2002.
Really?
Yeah.
Ford Field.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
I know, right?
It still fits you.
Full circle.
Full circle.
Well, the jerseys back then were so big.
It was like a medium.
So joining us is Trevor.
He's my buddy, co-worker.
Introduction.
Huge Lions fan.
And somehow agreed to come on.
I think I bribed him with turkey and stuff and Thanksgiving sandwiches.
I like that, Steve.
That's not bad.
I mean, we should do that more often.
Yeah, we should do that more often on this podcast is really
the mood.
No, set the mood with, you know, to put ourselves in the right
mind space to what we're discussing.
I'm not a book writer.
Just like watching this game and falling asleep in the third
quarter because you've eaten too much turkey.
Wouldn't that be great?
Just like all the fans that the game did.
It was quiet.
It was quiet.
Right.
So, I think we could get into this.
I mean, it's been a long time since we released a new one.
It's called.
Ford field the first year.
Can we get into this?
I want to talk because I did a lot of research on the silver dome.
Yeah, yeah. Give it to me while.
Getting set up over there.
Yeah. So this is.
The first season of the new Ford fields.
That is downtown Detroit.
Right.
So.
Paul Jackson over Dome is the one before.
Yeah.
I think that goes with it.
So.
Built in 1975.
It was like the biggest stadium.
In the NFL up until like the year 2000.
80,000 plus Cedar.
Yeah.
That's a lot of seats.
Yeah.
Massive.
In the middle of nowhere.
Yeah.
Big.
Biggest parking lot you've ever seen.
And in the middle of it is this just this even bigger stadium.
Bigger than like the reskins parking lot.
I feel like that's kind of like what it is.
Yeah.
Like it's in the middle of nowhere.
A massive parking lot.
Think of like the same thing.
All right.
And it's.
It's got a fiberglass roof.
It's got this weird, like it was a weird design that they did to it where it's,
it's an indoor stadium, but it's not truly an indoor stadium.
So it's like, it's got like a Teflon roof with like fiberglass.
Things going through it.
So it's actually held up by the air pressure from inside the stadium.
So you could deflate the roof.
Yeah.
Which you may have seen picture.
So, so what happens is they once, once Detroit,
once the lions move to Ford field.
Yeah.
Basically it's like unused for like eight years and it's like.
Just sitting there in the middle of fucking.
Wherever.
Right.
And then so they go to try and sell it.
They sell it at auction in 2009.
For $550,000.
Isn't that nuts?
I mean, it's 1% of what it costs to build it in the first place.
Like 20 years earlier.
It's like the worst ROI.
Yeah.
Any sports franchise.
I saw something that did like a, like an inflation assessment of
what the actual like percentage cost was.
And it was like 0.001% of what they paid for it.
If you account for inflation.
Just ridiculous.
So bad.
Yeah.
So they pump a bunch of the new owners like pump like $6 million back
into it, get it back up and run.
And they actually hold some events there.
And then in 2013,
there's like a big snowstorm and the ice collects on that roof.
And basically collapses it because it overcomes the air pressure.
I remember seeing the pictures of that.
And then they were just like, fuck it.
Yeah.
It was like one of the coolest,
like Google Earth things to look at.
After it had collapsed.
And there was like, there's probably still,
you can find a ton of cool photos of just like wildlife.
It was like a jungle just growing on the inside of the silver.
Cause there's a bunch of like sitting water in there.
Yeah.
The, the material, the roof was like, like shedding too.
So it was like half the seats were like strewn with this like Teflon,
fucking shit.
You should Google like silver dome abandoned.
It's, it's some amazing pictures.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is a,
how long were they in that stadium when you looked it up?
Cause they had it for.
Yeah.
75 to 2001.
Wow.
And they said they had like,
did the, the Pope went there.
They had like 95,000 people there for a mask, like Madonna,
Rolling Stones.
They held a World Cup soccer game.
The first ever World Cup game indoors was at the silver dome.
Wow.
Back in 94 when the US had it.
Yeah.
So pretty cool, pretty cool history.
I mean, the stadium looked pretty sweet too.
I saw like old footage of when it was in its prime.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was, it was cool.
I mean, it was just a massive playhouse for sports, right?
Yeah.
Even like back then, right?
75.
I think a lot of the bigger stadiums, none were that big.
So just the size alone was kind of like a, like a wow factor.
Yeah.
Then once, once the silver dome was no more moving to Ford field,
they did like the exact opposite.
Like it was like one of, when they built it in 2002,
I think it was like, if it wasn't the smallest stadium in the NFL,
it was top two or three.
And it's still like a top five small stadium.
Cause towards the end, the games kept getting blacked out.
Right.
And they just, they just couldn't fill it.
Like it was such a massive stadium and they suck for so long.
They couldn't fill it.
So games would be blacked out.
That was like a major, major issue for like three or four seasons
leading up to one day, when they moved.
Yeah.
Yeah. Same with the Patriots back in the day.
You had to listen on the radio.
Yup.
That's true.
I remember doing that.
Too many.
Most of them.
So do you like Ford field, Trevor?
Yeah, I, uh, it's a cool.
I mean, like I said, it was, it was a cool stadium because it was the
total opposite of, uh, the silver dome.
So they, when they built it, they tried to like center it on like a fan
experience and they thought they could do that with like a smaller space.
And the location alone was kind of enough to get people excited because
it's, there's one street called bush street or brush street,
one of the two, and it separates where the tigers play.
So Comerica park and then where Ford field is.
Yeah.
I love that idea.
Yeah.
So it's, it's like, if they were ever to get rid of Ford fields,
I think they would do what like the Vikings did where they would demolish
their stadium and then build it back up where they didn't demolish it.
Like, you know, collapse, but they would, there's no better spot to put
that stadium.
Like if you were, you had to recreate it, right?
I think they would just do it in that same spot.
Yeah.
Cause a lot of, a lot of places are moving to that now.
I mean, like Philly, I know they have like all four of their major
sports all within one complex.
Similar kind of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Down in Texas.
Right.
I think that that's similar.
Yeah.
From a, from the rangers stadium.
You can see it across the parking lot.
And LA, they just have every single sports team on the west coast playing
the same stadium.
And it's a soccer stadium.
Yeah.
No one goes.
But yeah, it's, it's cool.
It's, uh,
I think it was cool.
I think they've done like little improvements,
but eventually they sort of hit a wall because there's again,
it's like limited space with such a small stadium,
but they've added like little corks here and there and like improve the,
the like the box seats and they've got a lot of,
they've added like little corks here and there and like improve the,
the like the box seats and they've obviously with like the Ford's owning
it, there's like,
like the, some of the executive seats are like these,
these like crazy nice like leather,
like whatever top of the line Ford car is,
they'll like actually have like the car seats in, in the, in the boxes.
Like a trunk.
They gave the whole stadium like a ton of like,
uh, sides of it are like cobblestone,
like like brick looking, uh,
uh, like big like corridors or like hallways,
give it kind of like a rustic, like industrial,
like Henry Ford factory kind of look.
So visually it's, it's, it's a pretty,
pretty cool looking stadium.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, I almost went there.
Are you, are you a Michigan fan too?
I'm, I'm a Michigan state fan.
Okay. All right. Cause I was last Thanksgiving.
I, I was, I went to Chicago with my wife for work and we were like,
should we go to the Thanksgiving day game at Ford field or Michigan,
Ohio state was also playing that weekend.
Yeah.
So we ended up going to Michigan, Ohio state, which was, I mean,
that stadium, Jesus fucking Christ.
Yeah.
I mean, that's literally just a whole, it's completely overwhelming
cause there's no like, it's not like sectioned either really.
It's just fucking, it's just like a hundred thousand people.
Like it is a, a true bowl.
Yeah. Penn state was similar to where I think it was like 103,000
seed stadium. So it became the third biggest,
third biggest city in the state on Saturdays during.
Yeah. Yeah. With all the people that come in for sure.
It was crazy.
Yeah. I love, I love stadiums.
I love them.
What's your favorite?
And I don't care who knows it.
My favorite stadium.
That's a good question, Andy.
Let me think.
Do cowboy stadium.
That was pretty fucking sweet.
All right.
I mean, I'm a small stadium guy.
I think like a good,
doesn't sell like stadium with a lot of atmosphere.
So I picked the biggest one up that day.
But that one was just like, I don't know.
That was beautifully done with like the sunshine and through it.
It's, that's a sight to see.
You have to check that one out.
Ralph Wilson sucks.
I really like Redskins stadium.
Dude, you know what stadium blows is the jets one.
We talked about this already.
Yeah.
Just sucks.
Nothing.
Just in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Garbage.
And the jets were there, which doesn't.
Yeah. It's got no personality.
All right. Let's really make Trevor cry about how much it sucks
to be a lion's fan. Let's go. Come on.
Ooh. Okay.
All right.
So yeah, let's, let's get into this game.
Because 2002 is, it feels like peak.
I know they've been worse,
but it just felt like peak Detroit lions.
No, dude.
This is probably a year of hope and optimism.
Yeah.
Well,
what I think what he means is, is like,
I, like prior to that,
I think we drafted a couple of wide receivers.
Shocking.
And then, or it might've been right after that.
We drafted right after like Charlie Rogers.
Yeah.
Or Charles Rogers, right?
And then there was,
I wrote this down.
Yeah.
So this is 2002.
So this was Harrington.
Yeah.
So then the next year they started that,
they went Charles Rogers at two,
Roy Williams at seven the year after,
the year after Mike Williams at 10.
And then two years after that,
they finally hit with Calvin Johnson.
So yeah, that's how you build a top 10 wide receiver.
Yeah.
Four out of five.
You start from the outside in,
you work outside in is how you win.
Hey,
then you retire as early just like Barry Sanders.
It was, I think,
and Calvin Johnson, like he doesn't even,
he hates the lines.
He's like very, very open about it.
It's not a, not a Lions guy.
Is it Barry Sanders similar?
No, he's, he's a big, like, I love Detroit.
Love the forwards.
Love like the organization.
He's, he's like big, big time Lions Detroit guy.
Yeah.
But no, you're, you're right.
Like this was, and watching the game,
like you just, you can feel it.
And there's, there's times when like,
Harrington's moving the ball down the field and you're like,
wow, like it's kind of rookie.
Making a good throw.
We're like moving the ball a little bit.
And then like something dumb happens.
And like that, like the,
the build to like just drop is like,
that's what it means to be a Lions man.
And that in like 2002, obviously,
like social media wasn't a thing.
So you didn't have the ins and outs of like what actually
happened in the organization,
which I think helped the organization from looking less
like it was just a total fucking disaster.
Right.
Now you can only be so bad at your job before like the rest
of the world knows you're bad at your job.
Right.
But then they had like a five year leash to be shitty at your
job, but then people were like, okay,
the process really isn't.
Maybe we shouldn't have drafted all those wide receivers.
This is in.
Right.
This was, uh, I think the prior year in 2001, they were,
they won two games.
Yeah.
So this was, this was an improvement where they won.
Right.
And improved from the year before.
I actually have some like numbers on that.
Like that era.
So, so 19.
So Barry Sanders and that like, uh,
Herman Moore, Scott Mitchell,
that era ends around like 1999.
Yeah.
So the, the end of the end of the last time,
I would say Sanders.
Yeah.
So 1996 is when they really started like they,
they had a win.
This was their first like losing season after the very standard
stuff.
So 96 through 2010.
So they have 15 straight seasons with single digit wins.
Uh, 2000 through 2001 through 2009,
they had a total of 33 wins in nine seasons.
So there's less than four wins a year.
I want, I want to put that in perspective.
Uh, in two years, uh, I don't know which in two years,
the Patriots won 34 games.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So 30.
Yeah.
And then 2008, of course, they go.
Oh, 304.
They won 34 games because they won 21 in a row.
If you count playoff games, they won 34 games in two seasons.
Yeah.
And even if you like extend it to their franchise history,
it's like kind of hilarious too.
Like they have 17 playoff appearances in franchise history dating
back to 1935.
So this is before the merger and all that and the Patriots have
had 17 since Tom Brady got drafted.
So people often say like, man,
I would really hate to be a Browns fan.
Like it's tough.
But if you look at the numbers,
the Browns fan is actually a luxury to a Lions fan.
They have, they have far more in this,
if you give the same time period of like 1995 to, to now,
they've made the playoffs more and they have at least one playoff
win.
Yeah.
You know who's coaching the Browns at that time?
Bill Bell trick, right?
Yeah.
The Bill Bell trick.
That's a hot take.
It's a luxury to be a Browns fan.
Right.
There's only one class of people that can say that though, right?
Yeah.
One of one.
Detroit aren't even that far from each other.
It's like what, three hours?
No.
And like so.
It's the hallway of sadness there.
Yeah.
It really is.
The hallway of sadness.
It's like a different kind of rust belt.
There's this, there's a sense of like when the Browns do come into
town or when, um, when, when the Lions play, uh, in Cleveland,
um, there's like a sense of like, you know, we really want to beat
each other.
But like at the end of the day, we all kind of look around and
we're like, ah, man, this, this shit sucks for everybody.
I got a question.
You understand my pain and I understand your pain.
Do you ever sneaky hope you lose those games?
Just to be like, at least we're like the best at something at
like the worst.
Uh, no, no.
I want to win.
Well, it's the honest question.
I want to win you.
They don't understand how bad like I just, I don't want to make
the wild card.
I want to actually just win the division for once one year.
I want to be like, we're in the playoffs.
And when I don't have to go to Dallas or like San Frans,
or not San Francisco, Dallas or somebody like that, like in order
to watch just, just the hopes crumble in a, in a wild card,
which was a good season.
Nine wins.
Which this, this 2002 season is the, the Patriots least amount of
wins for this whole era that we're doing a podcast for.
You want to guess how many wins the Patriots had?
Nine wins.
This is bad as it gets.
City season, dude.
Literally as bad as it gets.
They had a four game losing streak that we suffered through
before you came on.
And it's the longest losing streak of the past.
Yeah, we almost stopped watching.
Yeah.
We struggled through it because we knew you were coming on it.
Have you ever had like, maybe I should stop watching.
Yeah.
There's definitely been those times when you, you kind of,
you look at yourself every Sunday and then like Sunday afternoon,
cause we always get the, the noon games cause you know, so bad.
Like four o'clock rolls around and you're just like,
what the fuck am I doing here?
Like it's November 1st.
And we got two wins.
And last year we had one win.
Like what the fuck am I doing?
See, that's, that's what I always wonder is like,
when the Patriots have always been good and like,
I'll watch any football, but like when the Red Sox suck, I like,
I won't, I just, it's not worth my time to an invest in the Red Sox
when they're sucking.
Yeah.
But football is kind of different.
So I've always wondered like, if the Patriots are really bad,
would I just start like stop watching games every now and then?
I don't know.
Yeah.
So that's, that's definitely like,
like football in general, it's just so like,
if you're a big sports guy, that's one thing, but to be like,
you know, football fan, I think it's, it's another, right?
And it's once a week, it's not like you're watching,
you said the Red Sox, the Tigers and they're,
even if they're bad, you know, like, all right, well,
I'll put the alerts on my phone and check out the scores,
but I don't have to sit down and watch it, right?
It's not as much of a commitment.
The Lions, it's like, it's like, it's like any football team,
it's an event, right?
It's once a week.
Yeah.
Sit down, watch it, experience.
But yeah, it's just, it sucks.
Like losing sucks.
It's almost a curse.
I don't think anybody is like, nobody gets excited about it.
But the real, the real shitty thing is,
and you only realize this after I think the age of like,
maybe like 26, 27, right?
Like I'm 28 right now.
And I, the, something I have no control over,
like how the Lions play on, on Sunday,
significantly affects my mood.
I'm like Monday, like kind of going into Tuesday.
And then like by Wednesday,
like I read the practice report and like I'm back.
I'm all in.
I get sucked back in.
But like as a grown man, like I,
like the team significantly affects my mood for like 24,
36 hours.
It's true.
Nothing you can do about it.
I'm kind of scared of that.
Yeah.
I've been the same way.
Yeah.
And the Patriots have,
but they've, they've always been good.
So it's like, it's manageable because 9% of the time you're
in a good mood on Monday.
Yeah.
Actually it's, it's more like 80%, but still.
Well, excuse me.
Well, actually.
Still.
And the thing is like, it's funny, right?
Cause if you were to go back in time in 2002 and be like, man,
like we kind of, we really suck, but like sports are cyclical.
That's like kind of what you always tell yourself that,
like it's going to come back around.
And it's like, it's too, you know,
it's almost 20 years later and we're, we're still in that same,
like maybe not that bottom three, like we were last year,
but Stafford got hurt, whatever.
But it's like, they haven't gotten better.
Like we've had the revolving door of coaches and,
and like management has changed.
So like it hasn't gotten better.
And like that alone is, I think it's really hard to stink and
like steer a ship in the wrong direction for, for so long.
Long.
Without one guy being like, it's not that hard.
I think I can do this the right way.
And that just hasn't happened.
Right?
You haven't even like fallen into it by accident or anything.
No.
It's, it's wild.
I had a, I had a tweet like two years ago and I think I retweet it
every year and I, it sums up if the tweet is my lion span hood
summed up in August, I say our year.
Like I training camp, you hear all the positive stories.
You read into the beat writers.
You're thinking like, this is our year.
We're due.
I feel it.
October rolls.
Yeah.
I feel it too.
October rolls around and we, you know, some things we've kind of
fallen off a little bit, but it's October.
So we still got a chance because of Stafford as long as he's healthy,
we got a chance Thanksgiving.
And then I usually tweet out that, that meme from the water boy
of that guy that says like, we suck again.
And every year and it's Thanksgiving because we always lose
that game and it's like the wheels fall off.
January happens and recently I hate the Patriots
because you guys are always there.
That's fair.
Actually, was it a Mitch Trabisky this year that smoked you guys
on Thanksgiving?
Yeah.
Like it was like people were talking about him losing his job.
Like man, this guy, like he's really not the future.
And he walked in on Thanksgiving day through like for 250 and
like three touchdowns.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm going to look that up because I think it was even worse than
that.
Yeah.
Wait, I thought it was their backup, wasn't it?
It was Detroit's backup.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
So 29 of 30, this is Mitch Trabisky on Thanksgiving last year.
Mitch Trabisky 29 of 38 for 338 yards and three touchdowns.
That's a slide.
That guy did anything he wanted to do with the football that day.
It's too risky.
How do you feel about Matt Patricia?
I was a big, I was on his side for the first year, 100%.
Last year, it's, it's hard to win without your franchise
quarterback and not being a set team to win the Super Bowl.
Like if you're set up to win the Super Bowl,
I think you have enough pieces to where you can get by with a
game manager.
But when your team really stinks, you can't, right?
The quarterback position, it's been the story of Stafford's
career.
If you remove him from the situation, we're fighting 0 and 16
every single year.
I think he makes that big of a difference.
Sure.
So this year is the year for me that's going to tilt,
am I a Patricia guy or not?
Right now, I still give him the benefit of the doubt.
In the August phase, guys.
This year is going to be different.
Matt Stafford, nine year veteran.
This is going to be if he can do it.
Yeah, I know.
And like you get excited again because the draft rolls around
and you get excited because you're always in like the top five
or even top 10.
So you get like something new and shiny.
So you're like, this is, this guy's our, we needed one more piece
and he is it.
This guy's going to be the difference maker.
That's a way.
And then we're not.
I think they're not that bad this year.
No, August mode.
Yeah.
On paper, they're not there.
They aren't.
It's just, it's, there's like, you always have this like looming,
like some, like something's going to happen and it's not good.
Like you never get a break.
It's always like Stafford might roll his ankle,
running out of the tunnel or like something like that.
Right.
Yeah.
This is the year.
Nope.
This is the year, man.
You should get yourself all worked up and lathered up above the
2020 Detroit Lions.
You know what it was?
It was the fans.
They were hurting the team.
We just get rid of them.
Yeah.
Seven.
I'm losing the wildcard.
I don't know what like, you know,
like what the future is going to be like with COVID and stuff like that,
but a part of me will be very upset if like COVID is still very much like
around and the Lions do win the Super Bowl.
And when that happens, we can't have a parade.
There's no celebration.
Oh my God.
There's no group.
You kind of just look at each other and you're like, Hey, we did it.
That's what everybody feels like.
You guys should root for the Patriots this year.
It's because for us, it'll be like, well, we, you know,
celebrated those other years.
Not going to lie.
There's already been talk about what are they going to do with the duck
boats this year?
If one of the bosses wins another championship.
I love that.
I love that confidence.
Why not?
I agree.
Statistically.
Yeah.
There's a good chance one of the four will win it.
Yeah.
Plus with the, you know, the bronze are in the second, they're,
they're in the second round.
Right.
Yeah.
Hi, let's get to this game.
Yeah.
So I just want one more thing about this, this,
this lion's team.
This, we've been doing this for almost two full seasons.
And I do a write up of like, I do a deep dive and all the,
the players and everything.
This is the first time we've seen an opponent where they didn't
have a pro bowler on the team.
Really?
Nobody on this team made the bets.
Interesting.
I feel like everybody gets like a pity vote.
No.
I'm trying to think at least one.
The closest, the closest guys.
Um, some, there was a, there's a, I can't think of his name is,
he's escaping me.
You guys probably know if you have the,
I don't have the roster pulled up and I should,
but there's a dude on the D line that's pretty talented just in
terms of like Robert Porsche.
Yeah.
He's, he's up there and like just who's,
who is one of the better players on our team.
Him and Chris.
I think on that D.
I have his jersey for some reason.
Hans, really?
Hanson.
Um, I'm surprised.
Don't go kicker.
Don't do it.
Like he was one of the best in the league.
Don't do it.
Kicker, kicker's one step away from the punter dude.
Don't do it.
Last one.
If you're three and 13,
you think your punter would have the numbers to get in the
pro bowl.
Yeah.
Oh God.
Sean Rogers.
He was.
Yeah.
Sean Rogers actually,
that's the dude I was thinking of.
Maybe,
maybe he,
I don't know what year he was in,
in 2002.
So maybe he made it later on in the year or maybe in his career.
Um,
Yeah.
Skill position though.
They were,
they were pretty bare.
Yeah.
Yes.
Let's just touch on those.
They just signed Schrodinger and Hakim.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Those bad signings.
Yeah.
I'd say here.
Uh,
Yeah.
And James Stewart,
I thought was probably the only.
Bright spot on this offense.
Ran for over a thousand yards.
And four whole touchdowns.
So good for him.
Uh,
Joey Harrington would be the starter for,
I think most of the year,
even though they were talking about,
they had drafted some guy last year,
the first round,
some quarterback.
Yeah.
Mike McCann.
He was the backup.
Yeah.
I thought he was related to,
I thought he was related to that,
the guy from the Bears.
Jim McMahon.
That's what I thought,
but no Jim McMahon,
because he looks just like him too.
Yeah.
Joey Harrington through for,
not quite 2,300 yards,
12 touchdowns,
16 interceptions.
And just a bit off that pro bowl.
Yeah.
And the crazy part is,
yeah,
the crazy part is their defense was worse than their offense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you look at their league stand,
where they stood in the league for,
so for yards,
there were 28 than offense and 31st in defense
and for points 26 and 31st.
So,
so not where they,
they were just bad across the board.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the kicker dude.
Oh yeah.
For Hanson.
For Hanson.
He was,
he's in one of the all time like point scores for Detroit.
He said that he broke that.
He said at this game.
Yeah.
Wasn't this game.
They broke that.
That was like,
that was like front page news.
I remember that.
That was big stuff.
Well,
I'm talking about this game.
No.
One bright spot.
Page two.
Joey Harrington throws four interceptions.
The thing about Harrington,
this like follow them throughout his career too is I actually do
think he,
he was talented enough to be successful in the NFL back then
because I think he was a little bit ahead of his time in terms
of being like mobile,
but also like having like a pretty strong arm.
Right.
If that's what made him like a top pick,
the problem was just, I think mismanaging.
I think he had literally no leash.
Like it was just,
all right, Joey,
go out there and just kind of do your thing.
Right.
And you can see it in this game.
He has no help around him either.
Right.
So he just got caught trying to do way too much.
Yeah.
And I think of when you're in the NFL,
like psychologically,
like that takes a toll on you event,
like year after year after year.
And then the fans just,
they blame you for problems that aren't really yours.
You're just trying to go out and win, right?
And so it's a little bit of,
he got caught in a bad situation, I think.
And I think you see it in this game,
like he does make some really good throws.
He just makes some really bad decisions that a rookie's going
to make.
Right.
Yeah.
Cause he threw a like,
what he should have like a busted screen pass where you always
see Tom Brady just fucking throw it into the dirt right in front of
his feet.
He threw an interception on one of those, just trying to force it.
Yeah.
And then he throws the neck,
the play comes up again in like a quarter later and he throws in
the dirt and the fans boom.
Yeah.
And we're talking like 12 starts maximum.
Yeah.
No, no, didn't they,
they gave him like a standing.
Oh, when he did it,
but it was like a sarcastic one.
Right.
So it's, it's brutal, right?
Just, just try being that dude.
And he was always very vocal about I want to,
I'm going to be the guy who, who brings the team back.
Like I'm going to be that franchise star.
That stud is going to be my legacy.
And it like,
people took that and they like made fun of them for it.
Which is like,
it kind of almost has a similar feel to like drew blood.
So back in the day,
like he was supposed to be that face of the franchise.
And I think he was a bit more successful,
maybe because he had more weapons or whatever,
better coaching or better.
Cause he had Troy Brown stuff around him.
But yeah, exactly.
But he was always kind of criticized for trying to do too much.
Like he's getting sacked.
He's throwing the ball over his shoulder backwards,
blind sort of thing.
And it feels like Harrington is in a similar situation,
but dealt with it kind of the same way.
Yeah.
It was owned differently.
I thought David Carr is a similar situation where.
Yeah.
I think if situations were different,
they'd be a good quarterback, but it's just like,
with everything else working against you,
you have no chance in the NFL.
I honestly think there's a ton of quarterbacks that get stuck
in shitty situations.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
And that's their defining career.
Cause you only get so much time to prove yourself in the NFL.
Yeah.
Like Brian Hoyer flip side.
Yeah, that's true.
I was going to say look at literally any Jets quarterback.
Browns.
Like how many people are on that jersey that they have?
You need to tell me all those quarterbacks are terrible.
Oh,
or is it the fucking organization that sucks?
You know?
Yeah.
I mean,
I'm going to say cordial terrible, but yes.
Yeah.
There's definitely something sucked.
You always hear fans talk about like, well,
like our quarterback sucks.
It's fine.
Just get them out of here and like we'll rotate a new one in.
And I'm always like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Trust me that, that quarterback carousel.
It's not a fun ride to be on there, brother.
Like, you know, like, you just want to, like,
he's not the only reason you stink.
Yeah.
You're just blaming, you know,
you kind of pointing the gun at him, but like, oh, I don't know.
Maybe if you spent some money on your offensive line,
instead of paying a receiver $80 million over the next six years,
might be a little better.
Ryan Taney Hill.
Yeah.
Fuck.
I do want to ask for like six years and now he's a pro bowl.
So,
uh, speaking of Joey Harrington, though,
there was a few things that I found interesting,
at least in this game.
The first was, uh, I don't know if this was.
Who was it?
Yeah.
Who was it that started reading your notes?
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So nice bullet points, Andy.
You're calling someone a nerd in your notes that you wrote up.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying is he's calling someone a nerd.
Show notes.
Yes.
Who better show notes organized by person with like links to the
timestamp to YouTube in it.
Are you done?
You want to hear why?
I could go around back up the side.
You're shitting on Marty morning wigs.
Looks Andy.
Oh, I do.
He lost his job at the end of this year.
Yeah.
I have a heart.
Here's why.
Listen.
The biggest key for us on offense today is to convert third downs.
If you look at the statistics, the team's chance of scoring goes up 62% if you
convert one third down during a drive.
We need to be efficient and make plays on third down today.
What a nerd.
That's not a fucking nerd.
You're right, dude.
He's a fucking nerd.
Every time an offense converts a third down, there are chances for a
touchdown that goes up 63.2%.
The standard deviation from first down to second down.
And also they mentioned that Joey Harrington of all people ran a more,
he said he ran a more complicated offense in college than he does now,
which.
Oh yeah, I noticed that too.
Don't know if that says a lot about the Lions offense.
And Oregon.
I know that's a lot about Joey Harrington.
And that was like before Oregon was like.
Yeah.
Big popular university, right?
There are still just kind of like pack 12 sort of a relevant sort of good,
but like no flash.
Yeah.
Did you, the guy that the charges draft, did you hear that?
And they were asking him about it.
Like he's the guy from the quarterback from Oregon, Herbert.
Yeah.
And they were like, who do you like compare your game to?
He's like, uh, Joey Harrington.
And they were like, um, oops.
Are you sure?
Weird, weird, weird, weird moves.
Are you sure?
But he's like, they're both born and bred like Oregon guys.
Yeah.
Like they're from that region.
So I think he's still like, uh, like pretty well respected in like the
Oregon community, you know, I think, I think so too.
And again, like I, I think when a lot of people look back on it,
they, they blamed Joey less and less and less and started again,
realizing that it was, he was sort of set up to fail.
Yeah.
And then especially if you've already got super high hopes for him,
you're from that area.
Anyone, you know, Oregon coaching staff, like big fan of Oregon,
whatever, they obviously give them the benefit of the doubt.
And I'm, I'm obviously on that train too.
Yeah.
Well, I think that's a perfect segue into Marty morning wig.
Um, because you're right.
I know you guys read my note,
but that haircut does make it look like he has a comb over in the
back of his head.
I don't know how he did that.
But I didn't notice that Andy replaced him next year.
No, who was it?
Um, Steve, Mary, Uchi.
Oh, the moves.
That's right.
That's right.
And so people, people really thought he was the savior.
Like they, that was when the hot,
the hopes were through the roof on this guy.
Cause he was still pretty good back then.
Host Niners.
Yeah.
We're going to be the next.
That's us.
Yeah.
Do you know what?
That's kind of like the, uh, the Panthers with George Seifer too.
Same sort of thing.
Oh yeah.
A lot of failed 49ers coaches similar to the Patriots coaching
staff lately.
I looked like, um, uh, what's the guy that's,
that's man genie.
Doesn't he look like man genie?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Man genie with bad hair, which is tough to do, but not as fat.
True.
Yeah.
Um, so I think that may, this, this to me is probably why he got fired.
Coach, a lot of pressure on your quarterback.
11 hurries.
How did he get Joey calm down and turned around here in the second half?
Well, really we rushed a few of them.
They're a pressure defense.
You know, we threw a bunch of interceptions without the interceptions.
Geez, it's a close football game.
So I'll calm him down here at halftime.
He took, took us down there for a, uh, a two minute drive for three points.
So all right, coach.
Thank you.
Good luck.
That guy belongs coaching kindergartners.
Are you shitting me right now?
He's bad.
He's bags or groceries.
I tell you guys.
Can you imagine walking in on Thanksgiving for millions of people that dude walks
in and having time is supposed to fire you up.
It looks like the dude that's supposed to fix something because your helmet broke
or like, oh, shit, the plumbing's backed up.
We got to call Carl again.
And he comes in and he's like, oh gosh, don't do that.
Let me go help you.
Red Gatorade instead of yellow.
That's nightmares.
That's nightmare.
Like if there was a movie made about him, it'll be played by Chevy Chase putting
on a really, really bad accent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's that character.
Yeah.
He's like a stereotypical like Midwestern like, hey guys.
Happy go lucky.
Not a care in the world.
I think you guys are shucking corn wrong.
He goes, that dude goes home and his like, his wife doesn't watch.
She's not a football fan.
So he goes home and she's like, how was work?
And he was like, was it tough day?
We lost again.
But we'll get better.
And then she controls the remote because he's a pussy.
He just watches housewives of fucking Ohio.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Nobody respects that dude practice.
It just, it was run a muck.
Like he had his clipboard out and people would walk by and they,
they, they, they just smashed it.
Like they put his finger on the chest and kind of flick your nose.
They do that to him all the time.
They don't let him have a whistle.
They hide it.
It's just a dog whistle.
No one can hear it.
Which I think all the, uh, we're Marty.
All the penalties kind of make sense now.
Right.
After hearing that.
Detroit actually had an offsides penalty on a kickoff.
In this game.
Yes.
Which led to a huge return from branch branch.
Yes.
From Dion branch.
Yeah.
Uh, that was after the first, right at the end of the first quarter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
After their first field goal.
Yeah.
They settled for a lot of field goals in this game.
All four of them.
Very consistent.
Pro bowler.
Those numbers.
Did you see him break down and make the tackle on Dion branch?
Yeah.
That's generous.
Yeah.
He made him come back inside.
It looked like me out there.
Try to make a tackle.
I think I figured it out.
I was an intern with the lines before I actually started working
at Billy Casper golf.
Really?
I did a bunch of like kids camps.
That was like, it was like the, they called their football
education department.
Which is pretty cool.
Basically, you go around and the line set up camps for like
little kids like around the state.
And it's super cool.
I think a lot of teams in the NFL.
You know, they have that, that, that program or aspect of their
business set up, right?
And so a lot of times they, they'd invite either current players
like Brookies that are just getting started or they'll do like
alumni players.
So they had like Herman Moore come out one, one, one week for
camp, which was cool.
He's a super cool guy.
Super great with the kids.
And then there was Jason Hansen who also came out to one of the
bigger camps at Ford field and a super cool guy.
He was like the epitome of like a kicker.
Like he just was kind of like super goofy, joking around.
He kept saying like everything was tight.
Like he did that old guy thing where he's like, he would move
a drill and he'd be like, tight.
But then you'd see him on the sideline like working on his
golf swing.
Like without a club.
And I was like kind of nervous to talk to him, but I was at a
station with them and he was, he was, he was a cool guy.
He would kick a bomb with the kids a little bit, but yeah.
Did you meet Barry Sanders?
No, I've, I've gone to like him, like speaking, you know, like
things that he's like spoken at and the guys within like my
boss at the time and other dudes that I've worked with, they've
they had a chance to meet him a bunch of times and they said he's
kind of as advertised, super cool dude down to earth.
Super humble.
Yeah.
Very, very humble.
So I just want to say that the Detroit line is putting on football
education.
Anything is like this podcast, putting on anything educational.
The wrong people to do it.
You know what's even funnier is they, they were like, they're
like one of the first they like kind of are like pioneering this
business structure of God or like other NFL teams that are now
reaching out to the lines to say like, how do we set up something
similar for our team?
They like they kind of pioneered it.
What's the quote?
Those that can do and those that can't teach, right?
There it is.
Marty morning wigs in charge.
He'd be good at it.
Statistically, if you convert third downs, you're 92% better chance
of winning.
All the kids are fucking down.
No, they're not.
Shut up, Joey.
Girl man, go my Joey.
I can't believe they allowed that at the beginning to seem to
rattle off some facts.
Maybe he's been a little more time in the playbook.
I would throw four interceptions there, Joe.
I feel like I've never seen anybody throw.
I wrote this down.
I've never seen anybody throw so many almost interceptions.
There's a bunch of tips in that game, too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like every single in completion was tipped at least twice.
Yeah.
The other way though, we had that one sick tip to, I think it was
Dion as well.
That's true.
Yeah.
It was Patton.
He like, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But that's that kind of dichotomy between the Patriots and the
Lions, like right there.
Exactly.
How many balls got tipped in this entire game?
And when a Patriots ball gets tipped, it gets caught by a
Patriot.
Like a big game.
A Lions ball gets tipped.
It's an incompletion or at best an interception.
Yeah.
It's, uh, it's, that's, that's the epitome.
Oh boy.
So I was on Morning Wags, uh, Wikipedia.
Yeah.
Seems like he got into a little bit of trouble back in college.
A little bit of a bad boy.
Yeah.
I was going to bring this up if you didn't.
Oh, Montana suspends two starters.
Did you, did you bring up the article, Andy?
No, I just saw that he got, uh, he was.
He was academically suspended or something like that for a year in
college.
That's what it looks like.
Wasn't he like the starting quarterback or something?
Whoa.
He was.
He was a four year starter at Montana.
The big grist.
Well, three.
Did he like not say thank you one time or something?
No, he probably like, it was like finger painting something and
he hung it up and it just, it was like a big dick.
This can't count.
But it was by accident.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was like, it's a rocket ship.
I'm just that bad.
Those are flames, not pew bears.
He was probably finger banging the coaches wife is what he was doing.
I'm on the other side.
I think fucking hiding something.
Yeah.
Slow playing us.
The Detroit line is like, no, you know what?
You, you're in charge.
So usually we actually haven't done this yet.
Usually we give a watchability score.
Oh yeah.
Trevor, did you watch the whole game?
I did the shortened version of it.
So that like 20 minutes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
What's, what's the, what's the scale?
Like one.
I'm so glad you asked.
Out of six Lombardi's.
How many do you give it?
So one to six.
You can do hats with AC championships.
So like, I'm going to give it.
Maybe four, three Lombardi's in the AC championship.
I would go from.
I would, I would go to like two, two Lombardi's and,
and like an NFC championship.
Yeah.
You don't, I don't get you to do that.
You have to win them to do that.
I don't think you have any.
So just, well, we don't have any Lombardi's either.
So I get, I go zero.
Two wins, two and a half.
Two wins in a tie.
All right.
Two all in 16 seasons.
Yeah.
I'm seeing it in a picture.
I would, I disagree with Stephen.
I would give us like a two out of six.
It's Thanksgiving.
Yeah.
I don't think the game has to have a fucking extra Lombardi on it.
This, this game, I gave it an extra Lombardi.
This game was probably one and a half stars.
This is the least exciting Patriots win I've seen since we started doing this.
That's, I agree.
That's the thing.
It just, it wasn't super exciting.
Brady wasn't good.
The defense was still giving up a shit ton of rushing yards to a Lyons team
who came in here.
What, like three and seven or something?
Right.
It didn't look like they wanted to be there.
It just, it's here.
Who gets your Turducken award?
The John Madden.
Actually, I don't know who's the biggest guy on the field.
No, Vince.
Oh, wow.
What's the name?
Bobby Hamilton.
Now I'm going to give it to Jeff Gooch.
Gooch?
Jeff Gooch.
Dude, you know Gooch?
Wait, which team was he on?
The Lyons.
But his name is Jeff Gooch.
So he's a linebacker.
Dude, Lyndon Gooch.
He's one of my favorite soccer players right now.
What about Taylor Gooch, the golfer?
Taylor?
What about Goochy Man?
The rapper.
These guys are all related, right?
It's all one weird family.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Jeff Gooch.
He had four tackles.
Two solos.
And that was all he did this game.
But his name is Jeff Gooch.
Wait, is Taylor Gooch the guy that looks like...
He's getting the Turducken.
McElroy?
Yeah.
Well, he looks like Roy McElroy and Blake Griffin.
Right.
Yeah.
Lyndon Gooch is actually a pretty legit American soccer player
who plays in England on Sunderland right now.
And he was like lighting it up for him last year.
They have Lyndon Gooch and they have Max Power.
Remember the...
Yeah.
The team is just stacked full of funny names.
I'm looking at the roster and guys that I think
lasted the gauntlet for the Lions.
Slesinger, I'm not including him
because he was like an older dude at the time.
But he's like a fan favorite.
But rookies that year.
So Joey Harrington obviously was one.
Dominic Raola was the center.
Oh, yeah.
And he ended up being a starter for a pretty long time.
Spent his whole career in Detroit.
Same with Jeff Backus.
He was there for a pretty long time, too.
Which is like frustrating to read and think about
because you're like,
so you had, we had two anchors on the offensive line,
which is a decent amount for a shitty team.
Yeah.
Should be able to build around that.
Right.
In one draft you had two,
you got two anchors not in the first round.
So they were later, they were really good picks.
And we just didn't,
just couldn't convert with a good offensive line.
Not winning with a decent offensive line
and the NFL is just like,
it's like having a huge cock
and just not just being a virgin
because you're just not into sex.
You're just like, man, you know what?
Not for me.
I've seen a couple of porno's
and it just doesn't seem like I'm into it.
It's fucking like a true Lions fan.
I think my Turduckin probably goes to Mike McMahon
the backup quarterback
because he was actually in
on multiple plays in this game.
He caught a pass, didn't he?
He caught a pass out of the backfield.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
The Lions actually decided to run a two QB play.
They did it twice.
And the other time he ran like a Wildcat,
like QB draw.
And your boy Joey Harrington actually went
and tried to throw a chop block on Otis Smith,
who did not appreciate it.
Joey Harrington, the OG Sam Darnold, too.
It seemed like a bunch of mistakes,
trying to do too much on the terrible,
terribly run franchise.
Who was the quarterback?
Who was the quarterback that lined up wide?
I think it's the Dolphins, maybe.
And just like, oh, no, he was the Jets
who lined up wide on another one of these kind of plays
and the defensive back like jumped him
and he flinched really bad.
Oh, I don't remember who it was.
Yeah, that was Sanchez for the Jets.
Yeah.
So I feel like Kotler had just stood there
with the most disinterested look on his face.
Remember that?
Or he just stood there and was like,
just like a fucking like, just didn't even move.
Classic Kotler.
I fucking love Kotler.
I'm a Kotler guy, too.
Bears are my least favorite team.
Favorite team in our division.
But I love smoking J. Kotler is a dude.
He is so funny.
Having a big dick and not using it.
It was almost by design.
And he liked, he enjoyed it.
Like that dude loved nothing more
than just chilling on the bench.
Yeah.
Just collecting a fat contract.
Just not going to change him.
He'll never change him.
No.
I love that dude.
The Bears are your least favorite team in the division.
Who's your least favorite team ever?
The Patriots.
Least favorite team ever.
The Detroit Lions.
Yeah, the Lions.
If I had to actually rank it.
Yeah, like they, they fall into the category.
It's weird where they're definitely the top,
like my top three least favorite,
but also like number one favorite.
It's like, I love to hate them, but like, I can't,
I can't run away.
It's an abusive relationship.
What about the, the Packers?
Cause they dominated the, the Lions for years, right?
With the, the farm inter Rogers.
Yeah.
But the, so the, the thing about,
and this goes back to a lot of fans too,
is I can appreciate Packer fans because it's,
it's kind of all that area has.
So they're, they're, they're all in and they're as fans.
I really don't think they're that bad.
And I think it's because of the area. Like they just, they're,
like it's hard to be like, kind of swaggy about like,
like the Packers, right?
There's never really anything flashy about it.
So it's,
it's nothing that you can really get too, too upset about.
The Bears are kind of the opposite where even when,
like they have the history.
So they're super in your face about that.
And also like, they just, I mean,
there are huge cocks about just everything in their city.
It's like, it's, it's great. And it's incredible. And like, it's not,
because it's like negative 10 for like four months out of the years.
And like, they love to tell you how great they are. And then like,
they're like the, the, the nicer version of like Detroit, right?
If you take away their history, they're like massive underachievers.
That's true.
But they won't tell you that.
I can agree with that.
Viking is, I'm a little struts.
I'm a little skewed because my, my mom's family and my mother,
they're like huge, huge Vikings fans.
So I'm a little skewed in terms. So whenever I meet a Vikings fan,
obviously I always, you know, hey, like I'm a Lions fan,
but that's always like, you know,
no one rips on the Lions fan in the NFC,
but it also leads into the conversation of like, well,
like my family's from Minnesota, like mom's a huge Vikings fan.
So I've never had an issue with, with them or the, or the team really.
It's hard to have an issue with any team when you're just,
you know, you're so bad, right?
I think you have been a Viking fan.
I could have. And there was, there was,
there was a point where I thought about jumping ship.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, it was like, when they were really rolling, I was,
I really did like call pepper. Like when I had Madden,
I liked playing with, with call pepper and boss baby.
And I can't remember. Yeah.
We talked about the running backs name back Robert.
Robert Smith. Yeah. Yeah.
They were like, they were just like a fun team to play with.
And like my mom and I would watch them on Sundays and stuff.
And I really thought about it. I was like, man,
this seems like a better life. It seems happier.
And I don't know if it was like,
they also sort of like underachieve and my mom's like,
she gets really intense in the games.
And I don't, I just didn't know if I wanted to be a part of that.
Like I got my own thing and my own misery.
And I feel like if I just jump ship to yours,
which doesn't seem that great, I'm just, what am I doing here?
It seems like a different kind of misery because they,
they're tantalized with almost success on what feels like a bit
more of a regular basis.
Yeah, I would agree. The heartbreak is probably.
They haven't won a Super Bowl, right?
No, I don't think so. They're one of the, they're one of the three,
but they've been to, they've been to a couple. They've been to, yeah.
But no, I don't, I don't think they've ever won one.
Yes. I think we're the only, you might, you might have to look this up.
Where, there might be one other team other than the Lions.
It's never been to a Super Bowl. The Browns.
Yeah, you're right. I think it is the Texans.
Uh, Jaguars.
No, they never won.
The Browns, Jags, Lions, Texans.
Okay.
Browns, Jags.
Yeah, Browns, like they were good though when the NFL started, you know.
Yeah. The list of teams that's never won is pretty long.
Bangles, Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Chargers, Falcons, Jags,
Lions, Panthers, Texans, Titans, Vikings.
The Vikings, uh, were the first team to make it to four Super Bowls.
They're also the first team to lose four Super Bowls.
Mmm.
It's tough.
The Bills would like a word.
Yeah.
The Bills did it more efficiently.
Bills did it more efficiently.
How do they even rate the games they watch?
Yeah.
So today we're rating this from zero stars to one star.
How wide left?
Yeah.
All right.
So do you want to do some best and worst?
Sure.
All right.
Greg, you want to go first?
Nope.
I'm going to fucking slow play my hand here.
See what you guys come up with.
I'm going to ask you that every week though.
Steve, you want to go first?
Uh, sure.
Sure.
I don't really have any worse.
That's why I thought this game was good.
Okay.
I have a couple of bests though.
Did you see, Andy, you're the only one who's going to know this
because you're the only one who watched it.
But when they're coming in at a commercial,
did you see that guy dressed as a pilgrim?
Yeah.
He's like pointing and you can see like three inches of his stomach
sticking out.
Oh, fuck yeah.
That's an American baby.
Yeah.
No, that definitely made Greg Gumbel and Phil Sims speechless.
Like they, they, they, they couldn't run with that at all.
There was also another fan that had a full size turkey costume.
I don't even know where you get that.
Like an adult size turkey costume.
You made it.
Detroit.
It looked homemade.
You might be right.
These are lady in the lion print like jacket with the lion,
like a real lion on her head, not a real lion,
but like a stuffed lion on her head that had a bow on its head.
Which one?
I feel like there was multiple of those.
The lion on her head had a bow on its head.
And she was wearing like a lion print.
It was ridiculous.
It was a lot of gems in the stands for sure.
No, for sure.
But my, my best, best is obviously I,
I tried to edit the Wikipedia for this.
I couldn't figure out how to do it.
They probably like blocked me out, but under Troy Brown's
accomplishment section, it doesn't list the 2002 all iron award
winner.
And you know, I would like to correct that if, if we can.
So.
Yeah.
So I guess Greg Gumbel and Phil Sims were giving away a trophy.
And I got excited until they showed the trophy.
And it was a block, a block of wood with an old school iron on
top of it.
Yeah.
Like the Monopoly piece iron.
Yeah.
Fuck.
Yeah.
Dude.
No.
Everybody needs a trophy.
Right.
What are you?
Fuck.
No.
Jesus Christ.
The trophy is not fancy enough.
And that's what you're complaining about.
I guarantee Troy Brown did what a bell check does with
AFC championship trophies.
Just like the end.
Somebody take this.
Well, here's my problem.
This is going to garage.
CBS is giving out a goddamn Monopoly piece and Fox is over
here giving out six legged turkeys.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what it was.
Six.
Well, are those turd duck ins though?
Yeah.
I think they have six legs, Greg.
No, Steve over here is fucking cooking a chicken trying to
call it a turkey.
You're fraud.
You're just jealous.
You can get one of those fucking turkey and stop and sandwiches
for our things.
Go get one right now for fucking 598 target.
Yeah.
It wasn't made.
Target.
Rotisserie chickens.
They sell them shit.
It's everywhere.
They're talking about sandwiches.
You got a gas station.
All right.
All right.
All right.
So that's your best.
Is is the award that he won?
Yeah.
How would that be my worst?
That would be at his school.
That was going to be my worst.
Controversy.
Who's one of them?
No.
Trevor had a great game.
All right.
I'm ready for my Andy.
He did.
Yeah.
The rest of the team had eight.
All right.
Let's hear it, Greg.
Well, my best is just the holiday of Thanksgiving.
Can we all agree it's the best one?
Yeah.
You don't have to worry about gifts or anything.
All you got to worry about is overeating.
Yeah.
It's all on all day.
And you just fucking eat a fat meal.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
How do the Lions fans feel about it though?
Because they play Thanksgiving every year.
So I think the general feeling is that we love it because we're on every year.
That's true.
Because it's like, it's, it's cool to just have games on in general.
Right.
Like if you're, if you're a sports fan, you're like football all day.
This is great.
But knowing that at least good or bad again, right?
Cause you're like, by Wednesday, you're, you bought back in.
So by Sunday, you're really in.
And you're, or by Thursday, you're like, yeah, I'm, I'm good on Thanksgiving.
So you're, you're all in and it's your team and it's a holiday.
There's food.
Like, like all that good stuff is just amplified by the fact that.
And the game's all blacked out.
I imagine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But then doesn't like Mitch Trubisky ruin it for you there.
I mean, yeah, but it's always like.
No, the lines were in a form.
If you're in a room full of lions fans and you, and you lose,
like misery loves company and it's like a good eight,
like the lines have been bringing families together.
It's like the, it's the 20s or whatever they say.
It doesn't matter how, how bad the meal was.
So interestingly enough, uh, they, they played on Thanksgiving.
The pads and lines played on in 2000 as well.
Do you know that Brady's Brady's first ever thrown the NFL was on
Thanksgiving, 2000 for three.
Yeah.
And then again in 2010, they played both wearing throwbacks throwbacks.
Cause I got this game confused.
I was like, this is going to be a blowout cause I had remembered the 2010 one.
That was like 30 something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then 2012 was the butt fumble.
Those are the four times the pads have played Thanksgiving.
2010.
Wasn't that, wasn't that the year the Patriots clinched the division
on Thanksgiving?
Can't be.
There was one Thanksgiving game.
Probably 2007.
I mean, I've never been it, but I remember they clinched it on Thanksgiving.
They clinched the division.
Wow.
Yeah.
Maybe it was 2010.
I think they're pretty good that year.
Yeah.
That may have been their 14 and two year.
I just remember one Thanksgiving game where I feel like it was a later game
because I remember the first bit of it when dad got that electric wine cooler
and we tried to like drink the bag wine to make it fit in there.
Yeah.
And then someone got in a fight and I was, I was all amped up and mom was
mad at me.
That's about, that's all I remember.
I'm pretty sure that was Thanksgiving.
Might have been Christmas, probably not Christmas.
I don't know.
It was some sort of big day.
No, I'm pretty sure that was Thanksgiving.
Yeah.
I remember that.
That was last year, Steve.
And the year before.
Yeah.
And every year before.
Yeah.
Stop getting dad electric wine coolers.
Yeah.
Stop getting you bags of wine.
It was his.
It's all dad's fault.
That feels about right.
All right.
So my worst, I, I'm looking through this article of Marty morning.
We're getting suspended at college.
This is 1983.
I'm looking at some of the advertisements and RCA like block TV.
25 inch air.
600 bucks.
600 bucks dude for a TV.
That's like a fucking 25 inch.
25 inches.
Dude.
I was, I was expecting to see prices be like super low,
but everything's wicked expensive.
Do you don't know how technology works?
Yeah.
What a nerd.
That's exactly how it works.
$839 for 25 inch air.
What?
That's not even true.
Andy fucking iPhones is still going up.
Yeah.
But they're gonna cost more every year faster.
Okay.
And he explained to me how technology works.
Okay.
It's the fucking hot pants.
Bro.
I've seen you try to work technology.
You're beyond help.
All right.
Go fuck yourself.
That's your best and worst.
All right.
My best.
All right.
My best was.
The referee in this game.
Who had a black guy in 12 stitches.
From getting lit up the week before in pregame.
And you had to miss the game because he was getting 12 stitches.
What a black guy.
I thought that was a ridiculous way to get hurt or get 12 stitches.
We got hit.
In pregame.
Run into or something.
Yeah.
In pregame.
It's like the worst referee injury.
I can't remember any like.
Yeah.
Referees really getting jacked up.
Yeah.
Since we actually.
Haven't talked about this game.
I'm going to throw out some other bests which were.
Teddy brusky is pick six.
And I think.
I asked right.
I want to I want to put up the point that.
Teddy brusky probably has the best hand out of.
Any NFL player who wore neck roll.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Does he make some quality catches across the middle there.
That was the second pick six of the year.
It was Zach Thomas.
Oh.
Zach Thomas.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Actually yeah.
And I did but.
Let's see how many career interceptions he's got.
Yeah.
How many pick six does he have.
Because this was the very stereotypical brusky.
How many Bruce you have.
What about some full backs.
Like four in three years.
We talked about this.
Yeah.
You want to.
You want to guess.
Neck roll.
Yeah.
I want to guess Zach Thomas.
Continue.
I'm going to say like eight.
Yeah.
Pick six.
Andy.
No.
Interceptions.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Probably like eight or 10.
17.
Hey how many interceptions does Teddy have.
Because we just talked to pick six.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
None.
Because he's on the fucking.
I never know how to spell brusky.
B.
R.
E.
W.
S.
K.
I still can't look at what is it.
B.
R.
U.
No.
Fuck me dude.
Oh.
Oh.
That's spelling.
At.
12.
Best.
Best hands in the neck roll.
Fuck.
Zach.
Thomas.
Are you happy now, Greg?
You should have gone Teddy brisky.
Yeah.
How dare you.
Man had a hole in his heart.
He still came back and play football.
You're going to shit on him for this.
Yeah.
Well, anyways, back to people getting hurt in pregame.
I was watching a.
Quentin Nelson.
The guy for the.
Colts.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
He's like top 100 thing.
There was like in pregame.
There's the punter like just practicing and it like hit.
He hit a couple of near him.
And then so.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I love that guy.
Yeah.
Oh.
Um,
I wanted to get that story in and you'd already moved on.
So I just want to.
Not fair enough.
Already interrupt.
Um,
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Stopped my worst is probably the pages getting a pump blocked.
That was ugly.
Yeah.
And that was the first pun block of.
The lion season.
And also was wasted it anyways though.
Did they wasted a lot of things?
They got a f Johnson.
Uh,
don't believe he did no.
No, because Harrington threw a pic to William H Guinness.
A couple of days later.
And then, um, the other, uh, this is in, uh, solidarity with Mama Brown,
but Troy Brown out there when number 80 in the throwbacks look like Irving Friar.
And across my mind too.
And the whole Patriots offense looked like an Irving Friar led Patriots
offense where he was literally the only thing going for them because he had
10 catches for like a hundred something yards.
And the 111, I think.
Yeah.
And the rest eight catches combined.
So it was one being a tip ball to pattern.
Right.
That was, uh, intended for Troy Brown.
Of course.
So that was probably my worst.
I would say that or James Stewart getting knocked out by his own teammate.
Oh yeah.
He's just piling the worst song, huh?
Poor Trevor.
Come on.
I got plenty of them.
Dude, one and a half fucking Lombardi, Steve.
Andy's.
That's true.
Tough man to police.
It was not a great game.
The throwbacks dude.
Thanksgiving.
I was like a four to this game.
No, I am on the opposite train of, I think most people do like the Detroit throwbacks
and I think, I think they look stupid.
I've never been a fan.
Yeah, they're pretty bad.
Yeah.
There was nothing to them.
Yeah.
Green Bay ones.
They're not as bad as Green Bay.
Yeah.
I agree.
There are some worse, but it's right.
So I guess like, yeah, they, they, they haven't changed the color scheme and the,
they kind of just gradually upgraded.
But I just, if there's something bad, like you just, you don't have to bring it back
to history.
Like just kind of leave it there.
Like where's something else?
That's right.
Like it's, it's okay because like I get it.
If you look like shit, probably gonna play like shit.
Nobody gets pumped up putting on like that fucking blue t-shirt.
Dress them like that pilgrim in the stands.
I don't care.
There you go.
Dress like turkeys.
Fuck it.
There's not even a lion on their throwbacks.
No.
Yeah.
Well, back when they had, so the, if you look at like the evolution of the lion like
logo, it used to be, there was a version of it that's like super, super cool.
I think the early, early version, it's, it's like really complicated.
Like it would look good on a jersey.
It's kind of, it kind of has to be blown up to look good.
Well, anything's better than those fucking practices that are like football jerseys.
Yeah.
Those are just like, Hey Reebok, no budget.
Send us what you got.
Okay.
We got these blue ones.
Are the numbers extra?
Yeah.
No.
They ironed the numbers on.
Our coach was just the, our coach was just the worst negotiator of all time.
Who do you think are the numbers on?
Matt Millens.
Back at Barbaros.
Don't worry guys.
We'll be ready.
My kickoff.
It's just sitting there.
The best jerseys ever are the creams of gold box jerseys.
They're up there.
They need to wear those again.
They're old.
That logo is sick too.
Yeah.
The Cavalier looking kind of pirate.
The wind slept.
Fuck.
They have a knife.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's cool.
Sweet.
All right, Trevor, do you got, you got best and worst for this game?
Well, you were worse and worse.
That's fine.
Well, the best was the punt block because I think those are like few and far between.
And that was almost returned for a touchdown.
So that was cool.
But the worst was actually the Bruce key.
I and T for, for a touchdown.
Because as I was watching the.
Like the highlights or whatever the shortened version of the game,
but you could, the lines had just gone down and scored.
I think it was, it was literally the,
it was our first possession.
No.
Yeah, it was.
It was like, it was the second play from scrimmage for the lines.
Yeah.
It was a different interstate.
It might have been a different interception.
I just think at any time, you know, honestly,
anytime you throw pick six, it's just such a momentum killer.
Like it sucks.
It's just, it's such a shitty, like that's how you start to like,
if that was a second play a game, that's how you started off.
Man, that sucks.
Yeah.
That's fair.
And that's the best of the game.
Probably Jason Hansen four for four.
Four for four, baby.
I'm probably working on his golf game on the sideline.
I don't need to worry about kicking.
I'm good.
Well, all right.
This, this has been,
this has been fascinating for me to find somebody on the other
end of the spectrum.
Tough life.
Someone's got to live it.
I guess.
Yeah.
I don't think you have to.
It does.
I really don't, but I don't know.
You'd be surprised that, like guys that just,
they have jump ship like early, early,
and then like, you know, talking like maybe like 10 to 12 years old
or whatever.
They're like, this is enough is enough.
They shift teams.
They go, go to college and then they moved to a different city.
And like, it's okay.
Like no one knows your lines.
Like you could, for they, for all they know,
you grew up a saint's hand.
Like it doesn't matter.
Like those guys are good.
And I just never thought that that was a possibility.
It was like, I'm, I am, I am in.
And at this point now I really can't change.
No.
Now I'm invested.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's some cost fallacy, right?
Last year me and our other coworker,
we bet on the lions over and wins just so we could feel it a
little bit, you know,
like 20 bucks down the lines to win six games.
Yeah.
And Stafford, when Stafford went down, I told him, I was like,
guys, it's over.
We're not.
This is,
we are fighting for yards at this point,
let alone wins.
They went wrong.
They went 0-1-8.
They're not so good though.
We were like three and five.
Like dude,
we're definitely getting me over it.
Yeah.
Yeah, they didn't.
That's, that's rough.
Well, all right.
What do we have to look forward to next week, boys?
We playing.
I don't know.
We are home against the,
the Detroit lions of the AFC East.
Buffalo?
Hey, got it in one.
Speaking of which,
Oh,
is this the hat?
Yeah.
Yeah, it arrived.
We got a chicken wing hat.
I came from my headphones though, this fucking thing.
Give me the side profile view.
It doesn't even look like a chicken wing.
Big orange cock on my head.
Yeah.
No, it looks like a rocket ship Craig.
It's a rocket ship.
Not a cock.
Yeah.
Finger painting of a fucking rocket.
So I think all the listeners at home are,
are all going to have the same question.
What does it smell like?
Does it smell like chicken wings?
Well, I'll tell you what.
First of all, it's very poorly made.
Like,
Really?
It's one of those things where I could just like rip this off
and it would start, you know, like the foam.
Like a nerf football.
Yeah.
So, and that's essentially what it smells like too.
If you compare it to like a,
a foam football you found in your basement.
It's starting to like deteriorate here.
It's brand new.
I mean, I guess you get what you pay for when you buy a fucking
chicken wing hat from a restaurant and get it shipped halfway
across the country.
It smells like 50 bucks though.
It's spent Steve.
All right.
So.
Yeah.
I mean, that gets us in the mood for,
for the Buffalo bills coming to town.
That's right.
Week.
Nobody circles the wagons.
Like the Buffalo bills.
I love that.
Is that,
is that a preview of you're going to have some more.
Dude,
it's burn isms for us.
Well,
maybe next week I might just do just be a bills fan for the
week.
How about that?
Add a little spice to the podcast.
I don't,
well,
one,
I don't know if you can drink enough.
Dude,
I'm just going to get a fucking 36 pack of LeBot blues.
That's what I was going to say.
Yeah.
Of LeBot blue,
because I don't know if they sell it in North Carolina.
Like LeBot blue.
That's pretty good.
LeBot blue is a great beer.
Yeah.
It's just tough to find anywhere south of New York.
Yeah.
I like,
I see lights too.
I see light.
Yeah.
Iron,
iron city light.
Yeah.
Steelers.
They're not bad.
It's not bad.
It's not good.
It's not bad.
It's not good,
but it's,
it's like,
it's better than Miller light.
No,
it's good.
Tailgate and beer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
We're kind of into this, but.
Let's do it.
Being a Lions fan,
the tailgates are a fantastic.
Right.
Because everybody knows it's typically like statistically,
it's downhill from there.
That's,
the tailgates are,
are pretty,
pretty electric.
Huh.
I'm assuming the Browns the same way.
I,
you got to think the worst your team is.
Offload too.
Yeah.
Maybe the better the tailgate.
There's got to be a correlation.
Yeah.
Because nature's tailgates aren't that crazy.
Right.
No.
No.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The game is,
it's also probably like a blue collar city thing.
Like,
if you think of like one LA tailgate,
it looks like,
I bet it's horrendous.
Detroit,
Cleveland,
Pittsburgh,
Buffalo,
all those things.
I think,
I think those Detroit Buffalo.
Tickets are probably cheaper to get.
So.
Yeah.
Definitely.
A wider range of people going to them.
Right.
It's kind of like an open.
Right.
Yeah.
To get more of the,
the true people coming to the games instead of the,
the luxury class, which,
as we know,
not great fans.
That's you, Andy.
Final fucking nerds either.
I wish.
Fuck nerds.
Fucking Joey Herrington.
The third down percentage,
it's standard deviation,
three and a half mean averages from correlations.
If you graph it out on your,
on your TI 86,
you'll see.
Yeah.
Somebody in the locker room.
I don't know who,
but one of the veterans just had to eventually be like, Hey,
what's the percentage of you?
Shut the fuck up.
Yeah.
No way.
Someone didn't say that.
Cool.
How long do you last on,
on,
on the lines?
Cause we could probably put this in.
How long was Herrington there?
Five,
six,
six,
seven years, I think.
Really?
Oh man.
2002.
No, no.
Could have been that.
Maybe five years max.
Yeah.
Then he went,
cause he went to the dolphins.
I don't remember that.
So maybe it was only four.
Maybe we didn't re-sign them.
It was four years.
Yeah.
Dolphins and then Atlanta.
And then he retired.
Yeah.
He actually played Detroit on Thanksgiving as a dolphin for,
you said,
was he at Miami for like what?
Like two,
one year.
One year.
He started 11 games though,
which is surprising.
Started 10 games for Atlanta too,
which I don't remember at all.
Don't remember that.
Yeah.
That must have been the,
a year before they drafted.
Ryan had to be, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Post Vic.
Yup.
Yeah.
Someone say those were the dog days.
Atlanta.
There it is.
By the way,
I just listened to the episode the other day.
I specifically told you to cut the rape joke.
Andy.
Yeah.
This is how it is.
Well,
mostly you did it because I heard it last night.
Yeah.
I heard it too.
The off color one,
Greg, you mean?
Yes.
You tried to backtrack.
I cut the joke.
Nope.
Maybe you cut the original version.
Whoops.
There was still in there.
Well, that's good.
I hope no one from my work ever listens to this.
So fun.
So fun.
Greg's running for office in the couple of years.
Yeah.
Don't.
Oh boy.
At least we're having fun.
Right guys.
That's right.
That's what life's about.
Everybody except Trevor.
Yeah.
No, I'll tell you what though.
I told Steve, I was like, so what can I expect?
And he was like, well, you know,
we're going to kind of watch the game or you watch the game
prior, drink some beers and just talk about what it means to be
a lion's fan.
This is kind of like free therapy.
This was good for me.
I think I needed this August to just kind of level my head.
And now I'm ready to go.
Did it work?
Yeah.
I'm all in.
I think this is the year.
I think so.
It was a guy that got into running back.
Swift.
Swift.
Oh dude.
That guy's like a guy from my work.
That's like his, his like nephew.
The king of Georgia.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's not good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What are his feelings?
Dude.
Why is that not good, Andy?
He's sad that the guy went to Detroit.
I think it's probably feelings.
So I always, I always wondered that like when I was a kid.
Or not, not like more so now, because now it's like, well,
you get a job.
You're getting paid millions of millions of dollars.
Yeah.
That's right.
But when I was a kid, like I was always like, man,
like people probably really hate coming here.
Like they're probably sitting over there like,
not to try, not to try, not to try.
Bingers crossed just praying.
It was like a gauntlet.
It was like, fuck.
Especially the guys that went to like Miami or, you know,
LA, like they have to be like,
yeah.
Well, at least.
So I think with Miami, if you play bad,
you have built in excuses.
Maybe they went out partying.
It's a cool city.
There's lots to do.
Warm weather.
You have no excuses,
especially in 2002 with like Detroit.
If anything,
you would think like because there was nothing to do,
the city was not great back in 2002.
Now much, much better.
Oh, two.
And it was like,
you know,
it was just run down.
Like they're just,
there wasn't like a thriving businesses and stuff like that.
And then it only got worse and oh, you know,
riding up until oh eight.
Might as well study the play.
Yeah.
You would think football nerd,
Joey Harrington would have been studying the playbook.
Instead.
I don't know.
It was kicking rocks in the street.
I don't know what he was doing, man.
Maybe he was just studying the wrong place.
He was studying the interception place.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well,
it doesn't help when your coach draws the playbook and crans
and kind of
the songs,
loss and translation.
Yeah.
Marty.
Poor Marty.
I feel bad for.
I bet he made a pretty.
I don't feel that man.
I mean,
what else is he doing?
I mean,
what else is he doing?
You probably joined us, right?
He's still in the NFL.
Is he really?
Yeah.
He's an offensive consultant for the Eagles.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Cause that was it last year,
year before he was on the.
The Ravens.
Ravens.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Two years ago.
Still sticking around.
Dude,
that's what happens.
You know,
you get your foot in the door,
like Hugh Jackson goes over and 16 and he's still fucking
kicking around.
That's true.
Yeah,
but we're talking 2002 failure and he's still around like
that's,
that's an impressive staying power.
That is.
You know what?
I'm kind of with you, Greg.
Like we may be downplaying this guy.
Like we're not giving him enough credit.
I don't like.
Now, Matt Millen,
there's someone that he's,
he's out of the NFL, right?
He is.
He's out of the NFL.
He actually had a health scare a little bit ago,
but Detroit,
there's,
I think
two people in Detroit,
history that I think people will always,
always,
always have a bad taste in their mouth.
One was a governor who was really like crooked.
He ended up going.
And it was Kwame Kilpatrick and that I think made national
news just like stole a shitload of money,
stuff like that.
And then the other one is Matt Millen and there was a
parade for when he was,
he was fired.
There was a legit,
there was a parade.
Got to celebrate some.
Like there was two,
like people made tombstones.
It was like, yeah.
I mean, people were through the roof.
When that guy was fired.
I mean, it was,
I mean, there was like,
people would have,
fire Millen signs and people would.
When they write it on the paper bag,
they would wear over their head.
Yeah.
And it got so bad that if,
if you were caught having it going into the stadium,
they would take it away from you.
Like he was,
that, that was part of the culture that was,
it was just toxic,
like the whole thing.
Right.
Oh my God, dude.
This is a fucking Wikipedia section,
the fire Millen movement.
Dude.
It's saying that at like a fucking,
in Los Angeles,
in Los Angeles,
an NBA game between Detroit and the Clippers,
there was a chant started in Los Angeles,
fire Matt Millen.
Well, I,
this is awesome.
It became like fun.
Like it, like,
it became a thing,
but also like,
it was like, haha.
But like, no,
but seriously,
this guy's got to go.
We draft another wide receiver.
I'm going to lose my shit.
I mean,
this is like,
yeah, I know.
Yeah.
Like you hear fire dance night,
or like sell the team chance from like,
in Washington.
It says that even,
Rashid Wallace started chanting it during a time out.
I love sheet.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
Dude, that,
that was,
those,
the,
the 0405 Pistons,
and they were,
they were pretty good through up into like,
2010 ish.
Yeah.
And the Tigers were also good.
Right around like,
Oh seven,
Oh eight up and through like 2014 ish.
Right.
Um, that,
that is sort of what got you through.
Like the lions, just atrociousness.
And then the wings,
obviously in the early 2000s were,
were really good as well.
So there was a lot of like balance.
Now it's kind of in a period where everybody stinks.
And I'm a little far removed because I don't,
I don't live in Michigan anymore, obviously,
but I just,
with no big 10 football, right?
So you don't have Michigan to bounce back on or Michigan state.
They probably would,
they'd be bad in football this year too.
So that just kind of adds to the suckiness for out the state.
Right.
But it's just a depressing time to be a Detroit,
Detroit sports fan right now.
Every team is just in the bottom.
That's tough.
It's really tough.
There's just nothing to look forward to.
Unlike Boston.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Oh,
Travis experienced it at work.
As soon as my team's out of the playoffs,
everyone's like,
Oh, I see what do you think about that?
And I go, it's a, it's,
what do you mean?
Hockey's over is basketball season.
What do you mean?
It's football season.
What do you mean?
Football's over.
It's hockey season.
What do you mean?
Baseball's over.
And I immediately just pivot.
You just moved to the next one.
Cause yeah,
that like month and a half between Brady and Cam Newton.
That was,
that was tough times.
It was.
Yeah.
I almost didn't make it through to our next fucking NFL MVP
quarterback.
I almost gave up on football.
I'm in a group chat with through,
well,
Steve is in,
is one of them is our buddy Scott Kravitz and Grant Johnson.
And they're all pretty big Boston fans.
And every, it's like, usually every three months,
I have to like send this massive message,
just reminding them of how,
how good their life actually is in perspective of the sports
world.
Boston sports fans have to be some of the most spoiled sports
fans.
There's in,
in probably all of sports,
maybe in the world.
I mean,
you guys literally took the,
the city of champions and it's,
it's when,
when my girlfriend's from Pittsburgh.
So when you,
when that,
when Pittsburgh claims,
you know,
we are the city of champions for this reason,
this reason,
this reason.
Yeah.
And then Boston comes and literally it's almost like a
check box.
That is double.
Oh, you have all the Super Bowls.
We got that hockey.
We have a Stanley cup.
You want to talk about world series.
Yep.
We just now one,
two of those as well.
When you literally just take that and mute a city from a
title,
I can't think of anything more disrespectful.
I mean,
that's,
that's impressive.
Right?
Like,
I agree with that.
My favorite stat was that we have beat St.
Louis in the championship of every major sport in America up
until they beat us in the Stanley cup last year.
Damn.
Yeah.
That would have been sweet.
Right?
Wait,
have we beaten the blues before?
We wait.
Well,
basketball team.
Well,
every sport that they,
they had.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like every major sports team that they had.
Right.
That's my,
that's my thing to Pittsburgh fans.
I'm like, yeah,
we're just good at everything.
And also we have 17 NBA championship banners and you guys already have a fucking team.
Right.
I could be a city of champions.
Yeah.
God damn basketball team.
And it's crazy because I've talked about that and like Pittsburgh seems like the,
the,
the concept of basketball is totally oblivious.
Yeah.
They just,
they're like,
we know,
like it's seriously like,
I think if you talk to like real like die hard Pittsburgh fans,
like they'll tell you like basketball is so distant.
Like even like,
I don't think a lot of kids,
they might grow up playing basketball,
but I think the winter sport that they focus on is wrestling.
And I think that takes away from any major basketball enthusiasm.
And I think that's pretty unique to like,
I think it's,
that's how they closely relate to like Ohio.
Cause I think in Ohio it's, it's similar,
but I think a lot of like other East coast big cities,
you know,
basketball is that dominant kind of winter sport.
Yeah.
And also in the,
in the winters that they spend a lot of time having sex with their
siblings.
So discount that time spent,
you know,
South Greg.
Come on.
It's south to me.
You are wearing a hoodie right now.
It's fucking 91 degrees in Virginia.
Nope.
It's 50 something in New Hampshire, bro.
All right.
Let's finish this thing up.
I want to say that I am on this Thanksgiving day.
I'm thankful for you too.
My brothers.
I love you both.
There's great meeting you, Trevor.
I hope we all have another great year under our Lord and savior.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I was waiting for the bullshit.
Amen.
What?
Thanks guy.
I always say thanks.
Get in seriously, Stevie Dick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm thankful your chicken wing hat finally showed up and you
didn't get built out of 50 bucks.
Yeah, me too.
Spending it at some random bar in Buffalo.
I can't wait to smell it myself.
It does look like a wrinkly ball sack, dude.
An orange wrinkly ball sack.
Just like Chester Cheetos.
That's like Chester Cheetos ball sack right there.
Steve,
what do your balls look like if that reminds you of ball sacks,
but big wrinkly.
What do you mean?
What do yours look like?
Well, for one, they're both about the same size.
Yeah.
Grand Canyon.
Grand Canyon.
A lot of folds.
Stop.
Stop stroking it.
There's got to be one big lump here.
You see this thing?
Yeah.
You should probably check it out.
50 prostate cancer.
Yeah.
I wish you guys had like an ad for some prostate, dude.
That'd be a great plugin right now.
Yeah.
You want to plug?
Yeah.
You want to plug a prostate drug?
What do you mean?
The Buffalo bar that sent that to you?
Oh, yeah.
That's a good question.
I don't think I even know what it is if I'm being honest.
It took me like 20 minutes to find it the first time.
Wings are us.
Yeah.
But if you're looking,
weren't we saying we're going to give it away to like the best Buffalo
fan?
How about this?
Yeah.
Whoever leaves the best review as a Buffalo fan,
even if you're not a Buffalo fan,
you can mock them with your mock review.
I will send you chicken wing hat.
So any worth $50 on the internet.
I'll send it for fucking goddamn free.
I got to get out of my house.
This fucking thing sucks.
All right.
So the best Buffalo related review that we get.
Gets a free chicken wing.
Chicken wing hat.
All right.
All right.
Trevor, work on your your review.
Yeah.
We'll just just write it as a lion's fan and then change all lines
in Detroit to Buffalo.
You do that control.
Yeah.
It's like find and replace.
There you go.
And you can you can do that at rate.
What is it?
This podcast dot com.
That's pod.
Steve, you remembered.
Look at you say it every time.
Yeah.
And even I forget it.
For all of your latest.
Patriots.info stats.
You fucking nerd.
Yeah.
So if you're Joey Harrington, you're listening to this and you want some statistics.
If we get Joey Harrington to listen to this podcast, I want him to rate me
because I know a rating of him.
I would like Joey Harrington to give me a rate.
Okay.
On a just a scale of one to five.
Actually.
No, we'll do Lombardi trophies, but no championships because he has the rules
say he did not win one.
So just Lombardi's.
All right.
So yeah.
So the best Trevor review gets his Joe Harrington, which will probably be
handmade because that's how the lines work.
It'll be a blue shirt.
Yeah.
Nice.
Haines.
It'll be beautiful.
It'll be the throwback.
Yeah.
We're signing ourselves up to things we can't do.
Like you don't know how to iron Andy.
I know that.
I know how to iron if it involves a prank.
All right.
No, tap me.
All right, gentlemen.
This has been a pleasure.
Thank you, Trevor for joining us.
Thank you guys.
And we will see you all next week.
Thanks for watching.
All right, gentlemen.
This has been a pleasure.
Thank you, Trevor for joining us.
Thank you guys.
And we will see you all next week on the pages.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Yeah.