Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2004 AFC Championship: Patriots at Steelers

Episode Date: August 30, 2022

The Patriots returned to the site of their week 8 drubbing (that broke their record-setting win streak) looking to avenge the loss and hand rookie Ben Roethlisberger his first loss in the NFL. The commentator from the 3 Games to Glory III DVD summed it up better than we ever could:“The Steelers predicted they would beat the... stuffing out of the Patriots. But with a 21-point lead [at halftime], it was the Patriots doing the stuffing.” Join the Brown brothers for some reminiscing about yet another great Steeler beatdown, with some classic Andy anger thrown in for posterity. Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast, as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots' Dynasty podcast. I'm your host, Andy Brown. We are the podcast that is going back and rewatching every game of the Dynasty era, Patriots. We are we've made it through the 2004 regular season, and we are getting to, I'd say, one of my sneaky favorite games, the 2004 AFC Championship game. Patriots are having the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,

the old ketchup bottle itself. Rest in peace. Right. Yeah. But with me today, as always, my trusty brothers, Steve Brown, all the way from Virginia. Going on, Steve. This is this is exciting. This isn't just a podcast where we do games with names. We do every game, including the games. That's right. We'll get to that. Yeah. Fucking Edelman. Yeah. So Greg is also here. Greg, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Just dandy. Yeah. Only two games left, guys. Two games left. Yeah, we're we're stopping after this. Oh, is that right? Yeah. So then one game left. I've seen what I need to see. Yeah. We'll pick this back up in 2016 ish. Yeah. Mm hmm. I mean, that is one way of doing it. But then everything

I've set up to this would be a lie. And we can't do that to people. Should we trash Edelman? I think we should. Yeah. Yeah. I think Steve, you want to you want to give your thoughts on Julian? I'll explain what's happening for those that aren't in the know. Oh, you think I'm in the know? I don't know anything. You came in hot with that. I figured you do. I was seeing Greg up. I thought it would trigger him. It did trigger him, but he kept it under control there for a little bit. That's it. There's a surprise. Greg, are you feeling all right? Well, it's not just that one. There's another one, too. Really? Yeah. See, I am not in the know. I just know about the one. Greg, can I catch us up? Well, I was watching the preseason game. And like half

time they did like legitimately like a 15 minute segment on a podcast, Pats From the Past. Yeah. And basically that it's like the same thing as what we're doing. They're like, do you want to go back and relive all the greatest Patriots memories? And I was like, yeah. And then like had all these guys got infused with blood. So with Will Fork, all these guys, it's like, this is bullshit. So, you know, one of the guys that does that, right? Or used to do it, Brian Mori. We've had him on the podcast. Yeah, Greg. No. The guy that runs the Patriots Hall of Fame. He talked about that podcast on our podcast. Oh, OK. So we already had the idea. Yeah, they've been doing it before. And all they do is interviews with players.

So we're actually coaching now. Yeah, we're encroaching on their shit by interviewing people like Kevin Falk and Matt Shadham. What's that? What's that white girl comedian that steals all the jokes? The one that? Amy Schumer. Yeah. We're getting Amy Schumer right now, guys. We are Amy Schumer right now. We did this first. Well, let's let's talk about them. We did do first. Greg, you came up with, I think it is quite a good, I mean, especially for you, idea in terms of rating these games. Because we were doing it by Lombardi trophies. So out of six Lombardi's, how many? And I think that still works.

But you came up with your own system. Remind me exactly what it was. I don't remember all of them. Well, I guess the take home point is one of them was the name game where you can say three words and define a game like snowball, right? We all know what game that is. It has a name to it. That's right. Yes. I have three words or less, right? Find V snowball, Andy. Go fuck yourself. And apparently Edelman's got his fucking nose to the ground here. Yeah. What's what's his podcast called? I don't know. Is it something like names, right? Games with names. Games and names.

Right. That's what Schumer does. She takes the joke and she just like makes it work. It ranges the words and then it's a new joke to make it not as good. Yeah. I feel like Edelman might get better guests, though, than we have. You would think, but his first episode that came out, the first game with names that they did, the helmet catch with guest Eli Manning. Whoa. What are you doing? That's right. Disrespectful. And like, what audience are you trying to get with that? Yeah. Well, not not a New England audience. I guess he already has that, right? Did you listen to it, Andy? No. I'm refusing to listen to his podcast until he comes on ours.

So I'm going to, what I'm going to do is I'm going to find Greg's when he announced his rating system. And I'll share it with you so we can fucking remember what it is. And I'm going to tweet that at Julian Edelman and all of their podcast related accounts until he comes on the podcast. So here's one of the highlights, too. So you can just do the work for Kevin Falk. Yeah. Well, yeah. No, we're taking a different approach with it with Julian Edelman. We're going to shame him into coming on the podcast instead. I don't think it's going to work in. There's no shame on Twitter, dude. We'll see. It's like the point of Twitter is you just say things without shame. We shall see. It's just a big old cess. Not corporate Twitter,

though. He's part of corporate Twitter. He is. Oh, yeah. He's all about branding and all that stuff. He is a brander. Yeah. And his podcast is a big brand. You can tell he's got a lot of money behind it. They have a bunch of fancy graphics and shit. I bet they are fancy graphics, Andy. Yeah, I think it's the same soundbite from mom that he's been using for three and a half years now. Naughty boy, right? That's right. Very naughty. Brilliant. They're all new ones, don't you, Andy, that we haven't heard yet? Yeah, we're going to save those. Okay. But yeah, those will be coming up. Don't you worry about it? But speaking of things we haven't talked about, talk about these Steelers.

Well, let's talk about this rate this game, then, if we're on the topic of the rating system, because this is a hidden gem, right? Because that was one of the, yeah, that was right below the game. What would you call it? The flu game. That's not bad. I don't know. The Brady flu game? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you got to put a poll out there and people can recognize what game it is. Okay. All right. I will do that. Yeah. Let me, let me make note of that because I have ADHD and I will forget if I don't. You didn't look that sick. He did not look sick at all. Ben Rothesberger looked sick. Yeah, but not the good kind of sick, the bad kind of sick, the flu kind of sick. The hungover kind of sick. They spent too much time in the bar room bathrooms, kind of sick.

Too far? No, that's all fair game. That's maybe it was not too long after this airing of this here. He was flying on top of the world. But I did remember a little differently. I remember, I thought Big Ben was like, lighten it up this year. Right. But they were talking in the game that he hadn't, he'd really cooled off during the season. Exactly. Yeah. He, it was one of those things where he hadn't lost, but it's almost like defenses had figured him out at this point. And so his, his splits, I think I have him somewhere. His splits were like, not great. Second, let me get a split. All right. Let's hear some fucking splits. Do you want some splits? All right. Let me, I'm pretty sure I took a screenshot of this. So watch

this. Okay. Here you go. Hidden the rookie wall this season. First 11 games, completion percentage, 67.7. Not too shabby. Last five games, 59.4. Not so great. Touchdown interception ratio, 14 to six first 11 games. Now it's four and nine. His last four touchdowns, nine interceptions. So his passer rating went from 103.2 to 65.7. And they also had, I thought was actually kind of an impressive stat for, you know, who were the commentators in this? Jim Nance? Yeah. That was a film? I just made it up. Yeah. So they came out and said that because Ross Burgers first pass in this game, like a third play of the game, was an interception two.

Great, Brown. Eugene Wilson. Eugene. And so that was the first throw of the game for him, was an interception. And they said in seven of his 15 games that he's played, he's been picked off within the first four throws of the game, which is not good. Kind of bananas. And he also has eight interceptions in his last 87 attempts. So he's cooled off consistent. That is bad. He also won a three, three picks in this game. Should have shown from five. Oh yeah. I wrote down that Asante Samuel was dropping interceptions like he's practicing for the giant Super Bowl because he could have had three easily by himself. And this first one was one of them. It hit him right in the hands and he bobbled it straight up in the air, fell over,

and Eugene Wilson dove and caught it. Ross Burgers had some really bad throws in this game. But he still hasn't lost the game in 27 games dating back to college. Right. Yeah. Where'd you go to college, Steve? Miami of Ohio? Yeah, the shitty Miami. Oh, Steve. Nicely done. I did not think you were getting that. He would go to Miami of Ohio. He probably thought it was the other Miami. He's like, he definitely did. The guys are going to university at Miami.

Dude, I'm going to get so many bitches there. It's going to be partying on stop. Guys, where's the beach? Went to the U, had some dude in his neighborhood go accidentally to Miami of Ohio and apply and accepted and then had to do his freshman year there before he transferred. I bet that happens all the time. I bet it does. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh, also Ben Ross Burgers first ever throw in his first ever start was an interception. So true to form. Good throw. Rookie of the year.

Was it? It was officially. Yeah. Yeah. Offensive rookie of the year. But I think the criticism that he wasn't getting is a lot that you see the criticism that Mac Jones got last year as a rookie because the Steelers team had, I think it was a second ranked rushing offense in the league because they had the deuce is loose. Exactly. So they had Deuce Staley, who started off the season as the starter because Bettis was getting old and actually got hurt in the first Patriots game week eight on Halloween when the Steelers blew the doors off the pads.

And then the better the bus drone, Bettis was, you know, rested and healthy for first half of the season. So he started running really well. So they showed some stat where Deuce Staley had the majority of the yards, but he had one touchdown in the season and Jerome Bettis had like a quarter of the yards that he had, but he had 14 rushing touchdowns on the season. That makes sense. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And even the commenters like most of those touchdowns are probably within one yard. It was that season. Yeah. Fancy honors nightmare. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Owning either of those. Deuce Staley, he's on hard knocks this year. Is he? Oh, coaches. He's a fucking psychopath, dude. Color me sharp.

The whole, the whole staff of the Lions is all ex players. It's like, remember Aaron Glenn from the Jets? Yeah. Oh, the one that Mike Mel thought was in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's, there's still time. Hall of Fame coach. Yeah. Could get him for coaching. He's the defensive coordinator. And then I think Deuce Staley is the offensive coordinator. That team is either going to be, I think it's going to be exciting to watch. Yeah. I think they're probably going to be like the 90s Cowboys, where they're just the most penalized team or not, not the Cowboys, the, the Raiders, the most penalized team, but don't give a fuck about it. The Dan Campbell rules. He's batshit insane, like legitimately insane. He's awesome.

It's probably a terrible coach, but well, he gave his, he gave his players, players only practice the other day. Like he said, all the coaches home and just like sat there and watched from the bleachers or something and just like let them practice themselves. Yeah. And they probably just did like tick tock dances, all practice and shit. Yeah. Imagine what they're going to do when they score a touchdown. Those celebrations, those choreographed celebrations are going to be on point. That's you're implying that they're going to score touchdowns this year. Hey, everybody gets lucky. Yeah. What is the least amount of touchdowns a team has ever scored? I don't know. I don't need them. I'm asking the stat check guy, but he's not going to,

he's, he's not reaching for his computer. So I guess we'll never know. If you know, tweet at us and let us know what the least amount of touchdowns ever scored was. I bet Julie does. I bet it was like one of those like 60s. His producer knows. We need a producer. We do need a producer. But we have, we have an intern. We should probably have him on in the background looking We'll have him on at some point. All right. Yeah. Get Tim on here. We will week one of 2005 is when you can look forward to seeing Tim on the shout out Tim shout out Tim. All right. Let's see other Steelers of note.

Are there any number one ring defense in the league points in yards? Correct. Yep. Absolute steel curtain sort of thing. And it's built against the run, right? Real good against the run. Yeah. Which you could see in this game. And actually the last time the Patriots played them, they tied the record for least amounts of rushing attempts in a game with six because five yards, right? Something like that. Yeah. Because Corey Dillon was injured for that game. So they were back in this one. And I have to say,

I enjoyed this game so much. I kind of watch it twice. I watched the regular version on YouTube. And then I also watched the three games, the glory version. And the, the, you know, the NFL films like narrator guy who does it was throwing some bombs. Like it was here. Let me. I didn't say anything. It was excellent. The video quality in the three games of glory is significantly better. Oh, good. Yeah. So it's high def. Oh, yeah. So this is talking about the halftime, like going into halftime with the Steelers. The Steelers predicted they would beat the stuffing out of the Patriots.

But with a 21 point lead, it was the Patriots doing the stuffing. Oh, she stayed on the fucking cutting room floor. No, absolutely not. Stuffing the Steelers like a Thanksgiving turkey. Gobble, gobble, bitch. It was the Steelers getting pounded in the ass. And this is the one that triggered my memory was there for those that can't see it because this is obviously an audio medium others. It's a it's the video is a Steelers fan holding a sign that says Corey who? Because Corey Dillon didn't play in the last game. And this is the voiceover. On Halloween, Pittsburgh didn't get a glimpse of Corey Dillon.

Now, after a long hard look, they will likely remember his last name. He has to spell out CBS on his sign too. I can't make it out. It's like Corey, better something. Yeah, stay home or something. Yeah. And then this was, I think, in the fourth quarter, the Patriots up by two touchdowns. And they had us, they got the Steelers got a sec. Inexplicably, the Steelers continued to pre despite sitting on a 14 point deficit. Patriots now taking their time. It sounds about right, which we've seen in in past games with like the Steelers are getting their doors blown off by the Patriots. I think like whatever that week one game was in 2003, maybe where the Patriots came out and stopped them

or 2002 after, yeah, after it was 2002 after the after the Patriots beat him in in Pittsburgh the year before they opened the season against them and the Patriots blew their doors off and they were still like celebrating tackles for losses or something like in the fourth quarter. Joey Porter. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. It was Joey Porter. Yeah, he's an idiot. But the whole team is like that. Oh, yeah, specifically Joey Porter. Yeah. And they they actually had James Farrier mic'd up for this game. And he like he you could just like at the beginning was so hyped. And he was obviously like the type of guy who was super hyped like all the time, you know, he was like the hype guy for

the team. Like the the the energy guy. And like, even at halftime, he was like, guys, we can't go out like this. This isn't how it's going to end. And they came out and got stomped in second half too. And he was just like you could just like slowly see him kind of melting down throughout the entire game. It's fantastic. It was funny to watch him shut the fuck up. Yeah. Yeah, just like getting less and less enthusiastic all the way through, which you could tell is really hard for him. Is this Troy Palomalu rookie year? Because it's second year. Yeah, I thought they said it was his rookie year. I'm going to commentation. But this was his rookie of the year last year, right? Something like that. I think he was. No, I don't think he actually even started last year

because I looked it up in like in 2003, he played 16 games that didn't start any. So this is his first year as a starter. And he was like, yeah, and like an all pro too, I think this was his coming out year. But he got played like a fiddle by Tom Brady on the first touchdown pass, which probably talk. Well, you want to want to give a quick rundown of final score? All right, give it to me. Patriots win 41 to 27. And it wasn't that close. Up 24, three and a half time. Steelers made a kind of a run in the second half. Yeah. Got within two yards of making it a one score game. Yeah. And then the pit pads put him to bed. Yeah. So it really wasn't that close. No, it never felt like it was getting away from him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, 41 points

against the number one ranked defense in the league. Yeah. When this isn't really an offensive team is pretty impressive. Right. It was actually they said it. They the Steelers defense allowed more points in this game than in their previous five games combined. I think it was a steal. I mean, Big Ben gifted the Patriots at least 10 points with the intermediate interception and the pick six. Yeah. Yeah. Big Ben was bad. Yeah. Three interceptions looked lost. But the whole Steelers team like they so they go forward on fourth, fourth in a yard way early on the Patriots 40. They don't get it. Big Ben, the bus gets stuffed. Yeah. And then immediately they throw that bomb 60 yards the other way. Yeah. Defense let him down. Betas let him down. Big Ben let him down.

They're all just shit. It was a loud crowd and it first play Big Ben interception field goal. Second drive. Don't get a fourth down conversion. Immediately next play 60 yard touchdown. Yeah. You're down 10-nothing and really never recovered. You kind of get a little close and Big Ben throws a pick six and it's like, well, yeah. Yeah. As you're driving like in the second half, in the second quarter, before the half. Yeah. It was actually, if you think about it, kind of similar to that Atlanta Super Bowl, right? Yeah. Field goal, Ligaret, but fumbles. They're going the other way. Con Brady's pick six that Robert offered and you're like 24-3 or whatever it was. I was thinking that. Yeah. And you're down 24-3 instead of 28-3. When I saw that

it's going like that. It's kind of similar actually at the half. Yeah. But it's most dangerously in sports. 28-3. Yeah. If you're in Atlanta. Luckily the Patriots just kept pouring on because they saw Corey Dillon. They just kept feeding him the ball and he just wear them down. I thought that too. But actually, if you look at it, Corey Dillon didn't have a great day. He had one good run. It's a 25-yard touchdown run, which again, I think came kind of a sneaky, pivotal moment where the Steelers had just scored a touchdown. Patriots were third and like 17 or something like that. And then they tried a screen pass to Kevin Falk, but he got held like blatantly. And so they got a five-yard defensive holding call, got a first down.

And then I think it was the next play through it to Givens, who caught the ball, fumbled it as he went down and Steelers recovered it. But then there was a late hit on a Steeler on a Patriot after the play was over. But the Steelers were like, we don't give a fuck. We got the ball back. But then the play got overturned because Givens' knee was down and they tacked on the 15 yards. So that was like first in 10 from the 25. Next play, Corey Dillon, 25-yard touchdown run. And that was just like an absolute back-breaker for that defense. See, I disagree. Really? You see, he didn't have a good game. 75 yards, that game changing touchdown. And then he was also like, they were so keyed on Corey Dillon, the defense.

I would agree with this. The first play of the game, they come out and run and end around. And it works really well because they're all geared towards talking Corey Dillon. And then to put the game absolutely away with that final touchdown, they literally run the same play again because everybody's ready for Corey Dillon's run. And they said, got you twice, bitch. It's true. Yeah. But Corey Dillon also 24 carries 73 yards, which is about three yards a carry. So like his yards were hard earned. The bus, who you think didn't have a good game, 17 carries 64 yards. So about the same. There's some bullshit stuff at the end there. Oh yeah. Yeah, there was. I don't think that was him though. I think that was the Deuce daily.

Although Deuce daily 10 carries 26 yards. Not great. Not great running in general. I think the lone bright spot was Kevin Falk 17 yard run in the fourth quarter there. And he had a he had a fourth down conversion. The Patriots ran on fourth and one with Kevin Falk to the exact same side that the bus got stopped to the left side of line, which I thought was a circle and Falk picked it up because of course he did. That's one of those play calls if it goes wrong. Greg's real mad about. I didn't see that one. The audacity of Bill Belichick running the third down back on fourth and one from the shotgun. Well, you know, like there was there was a play that to get on the Patriots play calling here. Here we go. It was in the first quarter and it was like

third and third 11 and they got a penalty went to third and 16. And in my head, I was like Pats run a draw play here because that's what they do now. Yeah. But they like threw it down the field and had a chance at a first down. It was like a drop. But that was a play where I was like in my head, I was already like past draw play. That's Belichick. What the fuck happened? Where? How did we get to the point now where we're fucking running draw plays on third 16? You know, Daniel's risky, Greg. He's almost turned that over. You know, the hit was really well timed. The ball popped up in the air. Could have easily been an interception, but it wasn't. It could have been a first down. Throw the fucking ball.

But it wasn't a first down. Charlie Weiss, right? It's Charlie Weiss. That's right. Charlie Weiss is second to last game, too. I can already tell that in Romeo Cronell's second to last game, you guys are the same in common, Greg. Matt Patricia. Oh, no. It'll be fine. What's Matt Patricia really good at? Keeping offences on the field on third down. I suppose. Yeah. Kryptonite, baby. I'm not excited for the Patriots offense this year. I'm very excited. Shocking. Joe Judge and Matt Patricia. I'm all in. And then Belichick's son calling the plays in defense. Good God. You mean one of the top ranked defenses last year? Yeah. Until everybody kind of got injured

at the end of the season. Yeah, they looked great in that playoff game, Andy. Well, you know, like I said, everybody was injured. It happens. Well, nice to see you calling into a lot of bosses in sports talk radio there, Greg. Right. Yeah. Dude, when even the beat reporter is saying it's going to be bad, that's when you know. So you're aligned with bosses in sports talk radio. That's a good sign, Greg. Right. Jesus. No, I'm aligned with what's his name, the beat reporter. Then I was a breeze. My grease. Even my grease is saying it's ugly. Yeah. So when my grease says it's ugly, you know, he's not just like,

it's not even fucking started. Right. My grease is only played one preseason game. He's also saying pump the brakes because none of the players or coaches are concerned. And there is like ironing out the kinks and he's he's willing to give them some patience. Oh, God, you guys. Greg Brown, though. Not so I'm telling you what Greg Reese said, your boy, Mike Reese, you're Greg, you're you're like back checking. You're like fucking Michael Felger, but the opposite. Someone has to be going to bounce his shit out. Get those two into a room or something. Yeah.

Well, you're on this podcast. Oh, and I will shank that bitch. I will shank that bitch and the world will be better for it. No, you won't. You'll be extremely polite and probably be like, yeah, you're right. No, not to my right to meet you. Absolutely not. Because she's coming on. How are you? Thanks for coming on the pod, Mr. Mass. Mass, you fucking tool. Nass. How does Felger's butthole smell like?

She face buried in it. I don't think they come on this podcast. And you are on Twitter too much, buddy. That's probably true. Twitter is getting to you. Yep. But Twitter would. Wouldn't Twitter make me more negative about the Patriots? How many coffees are you talking about smelling buttholes? It was a big one.

Smelling buttholes is a very Twitter thing. You know, you're all worked up. You're all angry. Yeah, let that go. No, that's not going to happen. This is my vent session, boys. I know I can tell. Who the hell are you? What?

We're like Andy's therapist. God, I hope not. Except we're not licensed and you probably do more harm than good. Probably. Probably. So there's no probably about that. Yeah. Speaking of doing more bad than good.

They're talking about Corey Dillon in this game and his time with the Cincinnati Bengals played seven seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals. And in 2004 alone, he had almost half as many wins as he did in Cincinnati. And he would finish. He had half as many wins this season in New England as he had in seven years in Cincinnati. So if he did the same season again, he's got as many career wins. So I look it up in Cincinnati.

The Bengals went 34 and 78 over his seven years in his three years on the Patriots. And he guesses more or less wins more. Yeah, more. And 36 and 12 in three seasons of the Patriots. So he had two more wins with the Patriots than he did in seven seasons with the Bengals. And 12 losses versus 78.

Correct. That's the real number right there. Not the wins. Just 78 gains is only losing 12 of them. Yeah. That's like, I think Tom Brady finally passed Drew Bledsoe for most interceptions on the Patriots. Something like that. Or no, he tied him for most losses on the Patriots with whatever it was.

But he also had like 200 more wins or something to get there. You want to hear some of the quarterback names he played with, though? They're fucking hilarious. Give it to me. I don't know if it went this far back, but Neal O'Donnell, Jeff Blake, Akili Smith, Scott Mitchell, John Kittner, Gus Farrott. So I mean, oh my God, that explains a lot of it. Yeah.

Yeah, that was that was rough. Good old Gus, dude. Gus Farrott. Pretty sure I had like 80 of his rookie cards because every time a Ferrari, when I would collect football cards back in their day, every time you open a pack, there'd be a Gus Farrott rookie card in there. Like, well, he's fucking thrown away. The fact that I have so many means he's not going to be very good because they wouldn't

get good ones. Yeah, that's filler stock right there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, oh, we need to fill this pack up. Just throw Gus Farrott in there. Throw some, throw something like that. He's seven throwing a draft pick.

Why would he have rookie cards? They had rookie cards everybody, but he was filler. Like Steve said, rough. Oh, boy. Achilles Smith was a third overall pick. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I did not know that. That's a huge bust. Yeah. Yeah, not great. But you could hear Corey Dillon run the ball in the fourth quarter. He was like fucking hype screaming at people out there. Games were in your hand. He was ready for the Super Bowl.

Yes, he was. Yeah, he was probably the most ready. Oh, yeah. Although in that, in the three games of glory, at the end, there was a nice shot of Belichick congratulating one. The Tully Banta Kane in there. TBC. Saw that.

Yeah. Ian. It was a match item sighting too. When he was hugging Kraft. Yeah. It's pretty great. Hey, everybody plays a part, right? Andy, can I get some better lighting here in this video?

I'd like to see your face. And I want to see my face. Okay. Let me see what I can do. Yeah. He's in the car, right? Andy is in the car again. I'm in the car, yes.

He's been relegated to the outdoors. Yeah, my child. Well, indoors, outdoors. Yeah. And the sun is setting. So we're just seeing like a silhouette of Andy. Why do you want to see his face? I was going to say, it's probably better that you have the silhouette.

This is like a nightmare. It's just like a black image silhouette bitching and moaning. Should I see him in my fucking? Yeah, you can't really make out much more besides the chin strap. Yeah, good. That's all you're getting. I want you to I want you to dream of me tonight, Greg. Wait, you don't dream of your brothers every night?

I do. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think we all do. All right, good. That was it should be. All right. I was at one with Greg where he had these like massive feet to like flippers, but it was actual feet.

It's fucking weird. No, no, that was my penis. And it was. You know, I have the same thing all the time stuff and nightmares. Let's be real. You big, big dummy. All right. Anything else that you want to talk about in this game?

I got lots of vests and worse. I got yeah, I got I got a handful. Well, let's make fun of the let's make fun of the stealers some more. Okay. Whipping boys, dude. I have a theory. I have a theory that this loss rapidly changes their franchise psyche forever because they were flying so high after this.

No, they weren't, dude. No, before this have been Ben. He's a rookie. 15 one. Had lost last year. They were really good. They got beaten us by the in the AFC championship game with Cordell Stewart. But then they came with with the and they came in our house and ended our win streak.

You know, what? You're like, all right, this is it. You know, if they win this game, I bet they they actually win Super Bowl and, you know, who knows what happens. But ever since then, they just haven't been able to beat the Patriots bug. But we've been we've been in their heads and I think it traces back to this game. That's that's not a bad theory. I don't hate it.

But they had been to what five of the last 10 AFC. They'd hosted five of the last 10 AFC conference games. Correct. And it only one one of them. And lots of the Patriots twice. So I mean, they're kind of like. Ben here before with the hopes, you know, maybe not big Ben, but, you know, they're they're kind of got that Eagles thing going where they're they're right there.

Yeah, but they just got this this brand new quarterback who looks to be the franchise on a rookie deal and they can build around one this year. They only one loss and I was weak. Never, never lost to the league. Yeah, like solid running game. And you have this quarterback who looks like he can win games. It was basically it felt like a 2001 Patriots, right? Yeah. Although probably more so because it's the Steelers and they're a well run organization.

They have a history of winning things when they put the pieces together. It's kind of funny seeing big Ben look almost athletic, but still not. Yeah. You know, nothing really changed with them. Yeah. More athletic than he did at the end of his career, but still not athletic. But he like plateaus of this athleticism for like ever. And then right at the end, he falls off like this athletic to the rest of his career. There's nothing that makes me happier than watching big Ben get like sacked because it's the least graceful shit.

And it's just he just like stumbles around and looks super awkward. He's it's amazing. I can't imagine rooting for someone like big Ben. It's got to be horrendous. It's got to be exhaust. Because like he's good enough that like you have to root for him. Yeah. You don't want to move on from him, right? But there is just nothing likable about him.

He's not like pretty to watch. He's ugly as sin. He's a terrible person. It's like there's nothing besides like he wins games. Yeah. He doesn't come across as like a great teammate or anything either. Like he's not that he's not well spoken. He's raping chicks left and right. Getting wrecked on motorcycles.

Yeah. Yeah. The motorcycles support him. Yeah. You have to. Yeah. So have you heard how that motorcycle accident went down? I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure I did it at the time. There is a thing in Pittsburgh and this is fucking wild called the Pittsburgh left.

And what it is is if you are in line, you're trying to take a left across a lane of traffic, right? Yeah. And like you're sitting at the light and it's just green lights. There's no left turn light. Yeah. And the light turns the oncoming traffic will wait for one car to make the left and then they go. Yeah. Which seems just stupid, right?

Yeah. How do I know that? I don't live in Pittsburgh. Someone had someone lived in Pittsburgh and told me, oh, yeah, that's the Pittsburgh left, you know? God. And he was doing one of those and the lady in the car coming in the oncoming traffic didn't think was it from Pittsburgh or something.

I didn't know about the Pittsburgh left. So he did the Pittsburgh left on his motorcycle and got plowed by like a lady in a Corolla and only. Oh, shit. Right. And she was right in the right. She was like, I saw the green light and it went go and he just like his bike. Yeah. I've ride away.

Yeah. And this dick out on the motorcycle was coming off. Is it a law or is it just like? No, it's just like a regional thing people do. It's supposed to be nice. Like, oh, I'll let you go, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Because people get like stuck in the middle of the intersection. Yeah. Yep. If you're, yeah, you don't think that's interesting. I don't think that's not yielding and getting trouble for it. I looked into some of the the allegations we'll call them. Okay. So just maybe I'll do a deeper dive later, but

can't wait. A couple of things that are kind of funny. So there was two of them, if you remember. The first one was in 2008 in Lake Tahoe and he he called up by like a front desk lady being like, you know, my TV is broken. And then shut the door when she walked in and like tried to like make out with her and shit. Jesus Christ. And apparently apparently he was there.

Sean Watson, but just skipping a couple steps. Right. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. So then so he was there like with Donald Trump apparently. And he made it into fucking Stormy Daniels like tell all book and she said she said that he like tried to he got introduced by Donald Trump to Stormy Daniels.

And she like rejected him. He like stood in the hallway and like kept knocking the door trying to like get in. So he to God knows what. Oh, we know what. Yeah. So then that chick Susan, right? That first chick Susan.

And while that case is still open in 2010, he's at a bar in Georgia and he has his body guard like grab some girl by the arm and like bring her into a hallway. And then when she got in the hallway quote, his penis was out of his pants. What? Yeah. And that one's a legitimate rape accusation like rape, rape. And she went to the hospital and everything. There was like bruises like all this like, you know, tell, tell signs of like an actual rape occurring.

There only one officer actually like investigated the case. Yeah. And it turned out that officer had asked for like a photo with Big Ben earlier that evening. There's a photo of them two together. Yeah. And he was somewhere on record as calling the girl a drunken bitch. So. Small town in Georgia.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if she's going to go. Yeah. That got dropped. No.

But the NFL still suspended them. Six games for like the con whatever player. Conduct detrimental. Yeah. Yeah. But then it got dropped to four games for good behavior. What? What?

Oh my god. Uh-huh. And it doesn't make me feel great about to show a lot then. Yeah. Brian left, which got hurt in the preseason because it's supposed to be the first six games. Yeah. And then the day after they made the six games, four games, because of a letter that Art Rooney wrote to Roger Goodell.

Holy shit. Do we have a copy of said letter? I didn't see it out there, but there was some quotes from it and like quotes from Goodell. And it's the most ball washy shit ever, dude. He's like, he's really shown growth in this offseason. He's like, dude, he has two open cases against him. What do you mean shown growth? Like you're fucking idiots.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. So neither of those look very good. And the fact that they happen within two years of each other. Yikes. Not great. Yeah. Big yikes.

Not great. And then on the field, he just had to play way past his expiration date. Yeah. And he's got like six chins and he's fucking hideous. Yeah. And he can't even take spikes to save his shit. And he's addicted to alcohol and porn. Did you see that?

You could just tell me whatever and I'll believe it right now. Yeah. Yeah. This that was recent. He was like doing some fucking talk that he's like a Christian now. Wait, he admitted to this? Yeah. He was giving some talk at some like Christian thing to like young people or whatever.

He's like, he's like, I've been addicted to alcohol. I've been addicted to porn. I've been a bad husband and father. No. But you know what? I'm a Christian and fucking, you know, you got to step in. That makes it all better. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus. Fuck. Just picture in your head right now. Big Ben jerking off.

He just fucking. Dude, why are you going to do that to me? I just got just grabbing his crank. Probably gross as shit. Correct. God. Damn. I'm supposed to be a football park.

Yes. I'm disgusting as that image. Right. Come on. Come on. God. All right. Let's bring it back a little bit.

Tom is not happy. I'm hammering home the point that Big Ben is a disgusting, despicable human. All right. So the right way. And I'm glad he threw three interceptions. I think they should have started Antoine Randall. They talked about bringing in Tommy Maddox at halftime

if Big Ben didn't play better. What was the other quote here? Because he spent, Bill Cower spent the entire, or most of halftime calming Ben Rothsberger down. And then the quote was, if Rothsberger continues to struggle, you will see Tommy Maddox. Tommy fucking Maddox.

But speaking of Big Ben, our buddy Tim, the intern, cut up some Boston Globe articles for us. And there's one about Rothsberger. You might find this, just based on everything that Greg told you, you might find this pretty humorous. Rothsberger, we're called Snoggrass, I guess somebody who he knew growing up, grew up with the idea of one day becoming a secret agent,

perhaps working for the FBI. To Snoggrass, that conjures up the idea of an escape artist, a trait he saw Rothsberger display time and again on the basketball court and football field. Quote, when you look at that wish, I mean, that's so him, said Snoggrass. You know, sly and undercover, always finding ways to do things that are beyond the norm.

He's like a James Bond 007, or an FBI agent thinking behind those sunglasses. How am I going to get out of this one? Oh, my God, God, Snoggrass said that. Snoggrass, dude, a fucking FBI agent. That makes you shit up. That's like a that's like an SNL sketch that I, you know, Ben Rothsberger, the FBI agent as an FBI.

That's an SNL sketch. That's just fucking manhandling everything. Oh, yeah, just an absolute clue in crime scenes. Just sticking out like a sore thumb. Undercover, quote unquote, not being discreet. Agent Rothsberger, put your penis away. Oh, fuck, exactly. Oh, shit.

That's fucking hilarious. And Greg, this is Rob. You brought up Randall L. He has some shit to say that you might sour you on him as well since we're talking shit about people. This is also in Boston Globe. The next factor in the Steelers' gameplay could be Randall L. All the former Indiana University quarterback did this season

was lead the Steelers in part return yards, finished second in kick return yardage, and hauled in 43 passes second on the team for 601 yards and three touchdowns. He also threw his first touchdown passing NFL. He wants to do more such play defensive back. Quote, I'd like to get a chance to do that, said Randall L. with a laugh.

Move over, Troy Brown. When asked who was the better all-around player, himself or Brown, Randall L. laughed again. Quote, that would have to be me, he said. He's got to say that. The fuck that? Yeah, yeah. Fuck, he's got to say that, yeah.

What do you want me to say? Troy Brown, the guy in Indiana. Fuck, yeah. If you're like, oh, Troy Brown's a goddamn pioneer. I hope to live up to his greatness. If you're going to receive, you're supposed to be super self-centered and think you're the best.

That's how they work. Still, fuck him. Fuck him. I like Randall L. No, I used to. He's pretty crafty and Heinz Ward. I like Heinz Ward, too. So fuck him.

Do you like Heinz Ward, Andy? No, fuck me, it's dirty. I hate all steers. I like Heinz Ward. Andy's in the dark again. His life has gone out and I'm just hearing, you know, fuck him from the fucking back. Goddamn commentators.

Yeah. All right. Hey, you want some more hate? How about this fucking Bill Cower thinks he's hot shit? Again, from the Boston Globe, still as Bill Cower will be coaching in his fifth AFC championship game, his fourth at home,

but he's only won one in 95 against Indianapolis. Asked whether he's changed his approach, Cower said. Any guesses? No changes approach. Quote, no, I think every game has been a pretty good football game. We've been coming out on the short end

more times than not. Fucking great coach. What an asshole. What a prick. What a fucking loser. How dare he. What a loser. Who does he think he is with that mustache?

Right. What a loser. What a fucking asshole. And that let's let's let's contrast that with Bill Belichick, a real NFL football coach. One question to Belichick to Belichick at his news conference yesterday

was a softball right in the coach's wheelhouse. Quote, if the Patriots can play defensively like they did against the Colts, Belichick swung away. Quote, if we play like we did against the Colts, we'll get killed, he said. It would be a lot worse than whatever it was out there last time

because Pittsburgh is not the Colts. And the Colts are not Pittsburgh. You're talking about two totally different teams. Things that we did against the Colts, if we tried to do them against the Steelers, it would be 55-nothing. That might be if they kneel in the ball like they did at the end of the game last time.

It's almost nothing that I would carry over or correlate from that game to this game. We couldn't make a bigger mistake than to try and do that, in my opinion. That's fair. Those teams are very, very different. What? Get it right. As opposed to Bill Cowell's like, no, I'll just do what I do.

Who else do you want me to shit on? Anybody else? This is ridiculous. We're just firing refs, Andy. They were fine. Yeah, two nans. You can't hit Jim Nance, right? Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, what do you think of the refs, though, Andy?

Well, the refs are fine. I liked the other team. I liked the personal foul called after the reverse-givens fumble. What about Jerome Bettis? You definitely hate Bettis. Oh, yeah, I can't stand Bettis. Yeah, he thinks he's good, but it's just fat.

The fact that he's like fifth all-time in rush yards is crazy. He's just a fat offensive lineman. You're a fast offensive lineman. That's fucking bananas. There's no way he's fifth all-time. Let's get the fuck out of here. Dude, he had 16.

You know what? I was like, hey, fucking Greg. No, but I actually had a football-not-football. From, I don't know, which one it was. You shared your screen. It was because right at the beginning of the game, Teddy Bruceke basically took Bettis on headfirst and just like stoned him like heavy. That was sweet.

It looked like both of them got the worst of it, too. Like that looked like a car crash. But on the replay, I don't know which commentator it was said, quote, he can load it up and put some weight in his pants when he needs to. Oh, hell yeah, I did. Oh, yeah, just dropping deuces, baby. Just when you need to.

Just just put some weight in those pants. Steve, Steve, put some weight in those pants when you need to. You want me to take a shit in my pants right now? I just want you to, if you need to, just you can load it up and put some weight in your pants. I have experts thinker control, Andy. I only put one boot. I believe that one is it.

He's eight all time now. Bettis. Jesus. How the fuck did Jerome? He does play one more year after this. 12 more games. How many yards he gets? 68 more yards. But nine more touchdowns.

That's how I remember him. I don't remember him as like an actual running back. I remember him as a goal. He's career high in touchdowns with 13. Yeah, bananas. And he had like, because the last game before this is Steelers played the Jets and hung in there to win. Like he actually better has had a fourth quarter fumble

when the Steelers were down. Yeah, Greg went over this last week about how the Jets absolutely blew it. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. But he also three field goals to win. Yeah, yeah, including one like at the end of the game, too. Right.

Yeah, it's like two minute morning and like as time expired. And yeah, in this in this stadium. But yeah, baddest went for 27 for one on one last week against the Jets. So he had a fucking legit game. But that actually the talk about the miss field goals Adam and Terry in the first drive of the game opened the scoring with a 48 year field goal,

which was the longest field. You tied the longest field goal in Heinz fields history. 48 yards. That's over four years, right? I think so. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. That's like how is 48 yards the longest?

Yeah. In four years by like by Steelers or visitors, kickers, like any kicker, the longest is 48. Well, at the open end, right? Yeah, it was like renowned for being tough to kick in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But and this game was a cold one, too, was the second coldest game ever in Pittsburgh.

It was 13 degrees. Damn, didn't see that. That was surprising, too. Yeah. I thought it would be colder games in that Pittsburgh. Right. Yeah. But yeah, all the three games of glory, the Pittsburgh defense

is talking about like, oh, this is Pittsburgh weather. Like, well, not really. This is it's New England weather. It just happens to be in Pittsburgh. Because the coldest game in Pittsburgh was 1989 against the Patriots. Yeah. I love how Andy thinks that we own cold weather.

We do. Other teams care about cold weather. That's our weather, bitch. We don't own cold weather. We own your weather. No, it's our weather. We own winning. Just happens to be in Pittsburgh.

This is Tom Brady's weather. Yeah, that's right. It just happens to be in Pittsburgh. This is San Mateo's own Tom Brady. This is his weather. feisty. I love this game. And he's on one tonight, boys.

This is this is a great game. It's Andy at night. Andy in the dark. Fucking beautiful. That's right. Andy after dark. Yeah, you know, All right.

Greg, you got anybody else? Do you want me to shit on or want me to shit on before we do best and worst? No. All right. Then do you want to go first? I think that's worse. Yeah, actually.

Just seeing his name come out gave me shivers. Me too. I didn't like seeing that. Yeah, he didn't catch the touchdown and like the meaningless garbage time one. And he just he didn't celebrate it all, which is refreshing because they had been celebrating all game.

It's your down pig. As yeah. NFL film guys. It was like it was like real close, too. Like he caught it and then just like dropped it. I'm like, that was like almost not a football move when you got that. And that's very anti-pactical versus personality, too.

I think of all the people that are going to be celebrating. Wait, dropping things. They get instead of 21 down, 14 down with a minute left. It's I mean, I feel like him dropping things by accident and having them backfire on him. It seemed. Yeah, he tried to tuck it in his waistband a little bit.

He just slipped right out. Exactly. I'm glad you knew where I was going with that. All right. Great. You want to do your best and worse? Give me some first because you guys probably have more than me. So my best is going to be like celebrations from this game. The the pick six from Rodney Harrison.

So that came, it was like 17 three. It was coming like towards the end of the half. Yep. Steel's driving. Steel's a drive in pick six, like an 80 yard return. And it's like Harrison and Vrable with Big Ben, the last guy back. And Big Ben's like, run with them and like turn and turn, which is awesome to watch.

And Vrable just like dumps him and goes down like a back fucking potato. Super awesome. Tripp and Blaverloff get the process. Yeah. So like Harrison is like no one within 20 yards of him as he's going in. So he like literally walks the last five yards literally staring up and just like starts stomping as he crosses the line and just like staring up into the crowd. And he's like, you guys are done.

Twenty four to three yards. See you later. I just walked in for a touchdown, which is like an iconic past celebration. And I know where you're going with the next one, too. The Deon branch. Yes. Yeah. Deon branch also had a couple sick touchdowns that was like super hype.

And the second one that like really put the game out. He did like the Tyreek Hill last five yards like wave as a defender as he's like walking over the goal line. So that was another one that was and then once he got in the end, then you started waving to the crowd. Yeah. And then there was a clip in the three games to glory where he's on the sideline. I think after scoring that touchdown and he's like, where, where, where are all your towels?

Really? He's like waving one of his whites. I was like, where are all your towels? Where's everybody's towels? And that's a throwback to the 2001 too. Because remember the Pats did it in that game, too? Yep. On the sidelines, they were mocking the towel thing.

Yeah. Yeah. I bet everybody does, though. Yeah. So good for Deon for knowing his Patriots history. Fuck yeah. Yeah. But even after the first one.

That's my celebration. Generally, I'm not a fan of. Seems a little cocky. I don't think Bill liked it either. What side of that coin, though, with that safety had of an open field and I don't know what he is, like stood there flat footed in branches. Gave him a little wiggle and he was absolutely right by it. Also, that was to go up by three touchdowns at that point.

Oh yeah. That was the nail in the coffin game over. That was it. That was it. Everybody that's. You don't like to buy by Steve? I loved it. Seems a little cocky to me.

Just because it's the Steelers though. Because the Steelers are the cockiest football team in football. Yeah. But if Tyree Kill hadn't ruined it for me, I would probably like it a lot. I like it when Tyree does it. I think it's hilarious. I hate Tyree Kill a ton. I hate him, too, as a person, but I don't hate that celebration,

especially the fact that the Buccaneers did it to him in the Super Bowl. That was sweet. Winfields. Winfields was a mafia. That's why I like it. Because you can turn those things around on people. I fucking love it. Yeah.

But even after the first touchdown, Dion Branch was hyped. That 60-yarder that put him up to nothing. He was hopping around stoked out of his mind. And you could tell you're like, oh, yeah. These boys happy. Well, that 60-yard touchdown was the longest play, longest offensive play the Patriots had the entire season. And it's the longest play the Steelers have given up, too, right?

I think so, yeah. All year. Yeah. Not bad. Yeah. You got a worst? Do you want to talk about that play for a second? Because the Palomalu aspect is interesting from that play.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Palomalu is obviously like, you know, he's Hall of Famer, right? I think you got in this here, didn't you? Yeah, he was there. He was there. Yeah, that was right here. And like was an amazing player, but he used to do a lot of like off-schedule shit, right?

Yep. So he'd like, he was the high safety help for the post. And you look at the replay and he clearly like took a chance trying to undercut like a route underneath and completely left his corner out to dry and Brady just threw it over the top. So like, that's the other side of the coin when it came to Palomalu is Brady, he knew how to bait him.

Yeah. Into that yard. Yeah. Yeah. And he just made a call and it was wrong. His instincts. Yeah. Well, I mean, sometimes you're wrong, right?

You can watch highlight clips of him just like timing the snap and jumping over the center to get a sack on what's supposed to be like a running play. Those are my favorite things to watch. I love that. Yeah. And he had like all sorts of that. And he's the only one that I've ever seen do that

in any sort of consistency. Yeah. That's true. He was a man. Junior Seo used to do it. Yeah. Maybe it's because he would like to run up to the line and like just get there.

Actually Rodney sometimes Rodney has not nearly as much obviously, but he was no trans jump that snap too. But I think you got got though. Yeah. I think yeah. Palomalu is kind of almost a poor man's Ed Reid and not to like take away from Palomalu. But Ed Reid was just like that.

But except he never made the mistake. You know what I mean? I would say Palomalu is more of a rich man Bob Sanders. Rich man's Bob Sanders. I'm not even going to explain that because I know you can't. They're both crazy and instinct driven. You know. All right.

All right. Okay. I'm not crazy here too. I'll give it to you. Fuck it. All right. So my worst. Give me your worst.

My worst is Bill Cower. You're going to like this, Andy. I love it already. Not going for the for kicking it. So it's they're down 14 in the start of the fourth. Is that right? 13-29 left in the end of the third. No.

Right. Right at the beginning of the fourth. Yeah. Right. Beginning of the fourth. Yeah. Yeah. And 31-17.

You're down 31-17 and you have the ball the five yard line. You don't get in in three plays and he kicks a field goal to go down 11. Yep. And what was in that? Also run run or run like the further fade and then run it again. Yeah. Yeah.

But then Jerome Bettis who's like, Yeah. You have the second ranked rushing offense in the entire league. Yeah. If Jerome Bettis scored 14 touchdowns. Down 14 with a quarter left in the AFC championship game. Go for it, dude. Yeah.

And what what what did the cameras show next after they kick the field goal? The fans filing out of the stadium. Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah. That's so soft though. They all left so early. Yeah.

That's pretty bad to leave the 11 point game. But still, I mean, they were leaving before that. But that was when the exit has happened. That's a pussy move, dude. Yeah. I don't think anyone blames if you go for it there and you don't get it. Like there's not a fan in the world that's going to be like, You know, should have kicked it also.

You know when saying that. Also, you have the top ranked defense in the league. Yeah. And so you're going to. So even if you don't score touchdown, you pin the Patriots offense. Who admittedly. The field goal is saying, I'm going to trust my defense as well. And it didn't work.

Patriots won on a big ass drive. Yeah. The Patriot. Well, the Patriots in the fourth quarter put together two five minute drives that both entered in scores field goal on touchdown. You still need two scores. Yeah. Like what's the point?

So dumb. Yeah. Love it. Join the dark side, Greg. Both literally and figuratively. Turn your light off. Steve, best and worst. I don't think anybody has like Pro Bill Cower here.

Because the look on his face after a Rothesburger throws a pick. There's like seven minutes left and they're down 14. You're going to see it. He's like, well, we're done. And that was like. I was there for when he threw that fake spike interception. That was the worst throw he's thrown in that stadium. But no, the one that was on that breaking quick was like the worst throw.

I don't know. And he overthrows him by like four yards right to the safety. Oh, yeah. That's exactly what he did. Last playoff game against the Jets. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So he's doing this every game.

Yeah. This is what he's known for. Cool. Yeah. Eugene Wilson, two interceptions, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised I wasn't your best.

Greg, I was leaving that shadow. My boy Eugene. It's no love, dude. Now we're going through and getting into the fucking weeds. We realize how good he actually was. That is correct. He was great. All right, Steve.

Give us, give us your best and worst, bud. I had other worst was the punting. And which they were like, oh, the first half the pages dominated in every phase of the game. Yeah. It was true, except for the punting. That's the one thing they were just terrible at. Well, I will say this. Josh Miller, his former team, Pittsburgh Steelers.

Just throwing that out there. So he was probably a double agent for them because he punted to like a 50 yard line twice. It wasn't great. Did not have a good day. It was fucking terrible. Although that's probably why he wasn't a stealer anymore, too. And I also have a bone to pick with a pro football reference. There's nothing listed about Hank Poteet in this game.

Okay. And he definitely has at least one tackle that I saw. He does. Yeah. I don't know. Like what? And I didn't catch all of this. I don't know if you did, Andy.

The commentators are saying he's playing it like that pit the week before. Or he was working at a. No, no, no. I don't know. He was attending classes at the University of Pittsburgh and he was signed off the street 11 days before this game and he was a former stealer who got cut. And he had two third down stops in this game. One tackle that you're talking about.

And he also had a hit on the wide receiver as he was catching balls to call it a pass break. Break up. So he had two third down stops all by himself. He went to undergrad. So he knew his real name is. What's that? Henry Major Poteet, the second. The second.

Yeah. He's not just a Poteet. He's a Major Poteet. Major Poteet. Henry Major Poteet. Fantastic. It has him in his career stats. There is 2004 with New England.

I don't know if he plays in Super Bowl or not. I don't remember. But man, there's a fine down next round was out there a lot. Right. Yeah. But like we're kind of almost used to seeing it now. The comment was like, oh, Troy Brown's out there and then pointing him out. I'm like, well, yeah, of course he is.

Like he's, he's the nickel corner now. What do you want? And they're not throwing it at him anymore. Have you noticed that? And then. Like he doesn't have a lot of tackles or pass breakups because they're not, they're like not going to him. Peyton definitely tried to pick on him.

A little bit. Yeah. But with success with Stokely. A little bit. Yeah. But I mean, we haven't heard that in a while. Yeah. He's got like what three or four interceptions or something.

So yeah, we just throw it at him. Right. Yeah. Silly. It's quite a lesson. Fence the bag. Why did I go after Hank Poteet instead? Dude was in goddamn college class down the street last week.

Clicking economics. Taking third down breakups is what he's taking. Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. So is that your worst? Yeah. I have a, I have a real curve ball bests. Oh, all right.

My best is the Patriots losing to the Steelers earlier this year. Not only because I feel it's hard to be the same team twice and they got to experience them and then beat them. But can you imagine if the night Courage War Orange was also the end of the Patriots winning streak at like 38 games? That would be fucking awful. Oh, you bring up a great point, Steve.

I can't argue with that. That would have been more courageous. That would have been more backbreaking, I think, than just losing to them. Yeah. I think that may have derailed the season. I think you might be honest on that. Yeah, they might.

They would, they would just never mentally recover for that. But they already had one loss in the season, right? Yeah. It would have been undefeated at that point. It would have been ahead of the Steelers. And instead of just one of those like learning experiences of like, hey, don't get too fucking full yourself because you can lose to this fucking garbage dolphin team.

Yep. It would have been way more than that. Kind of the opposite of 2007, right? Where they just, they went and beat everybody and then like ran out of gas at the end and just couldn't put that last win together. That's right. Where I think if they had lost to the Giants

in that week, 17 game, things would have been different. Is this Rodney Harrison's only Super Bowl ring? No, he won last year. He won his last year at the Vasu? Yeah. 2008. Because, no, no, no, 2003, I'm saying. Against the Panthers.

Yes. Because that was when he broke his arm and the picture of him in the sling, the confetti that was last year. All right. Is that your best and worst? That was it. All right.

My best is, I'm going to say. This is perhaps Dionne Branch's best two game stretch of his career between this game and the week after. Yes. Because he was everywhere in this game. He had the reverses both went for big. I think he had like two rushes for 37 yards and a touchdown.

And then he had whatever catches and I think he had over 100 yards receiving the 60-yard bomb. He had another long one that he took an absolute shot from Paul Amalu, like as he caught the ball. I have no idea how he hung on to that. Like that's something Paul Amalu jars loose like 99 out of 100 times. It was a clean hit, too.

Got him right on the ball. But it was exactly. He had on his arms and the ball. Literally as he caught the ball and he still hung on. I have no idea how he did it. So absolutely on this and then he wins. I mean, spoiler alert, he wins the Super Bowl MVP the next week for setting the receptions record.

Which is a great trivia question. What's up? Is he the only Patriot besides Don Brady to win a Super Bowl MVP for the Bats? Yes, he is. Did gentlemen win that one against the Rams? Did he win it? Did they want to give it to the punter?

Oh, no, I think they wanted. They should have given it to the punter. But no, I think Greg might be right. Bellamon. The thief that he is also managed to steal a Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, he's stealing our podcast idea. He's stealing Super Bowl MVPs. What a dick.

All right. What else we got? What was going to talk about? Hank Parti. We got that. My worst in the three games of glory. Gil and or Gino, whoever it was doing the commentating. They had the radio commentators on Gil and Gino.

Top Notch could not pronounce Troy Palamal's name. So he was Troy Palamaloo. Entire game, which I fucking love. But tough look. Troy Palamaloo. Yeah, what are you going to do? You know, do you fear it's only the third time they've seen him and called a game with him?

Yeah, I mean, I guess so. But still, you kind of paid to know the names and shit like that. But I'll go with it. You know, fucking. So also. Shout out to the tuna, the big tuna, Bill Parcells. Let's see. The fat tuna.

Yeah. Boston Globe article clip talking about Ben Ross burger. Now the NFL's hottest young quarterback anointed early in the season by Bill Parcells as the game's best rookie quarterback. Since Dan Marino, the 20-year-old Ross burger and the Steelers on Sunday night will take on the Patriots. So it wasn't far off, except Ross's burger actually won a Super Bowl and wasn't nearly the quarterback Marino was.

Other than that, nailed it. Today's somebody else. I hate Greg. That's for you. Fucking hate him, Parcells. Hope he never gets big fat tuna. Do you think you'll ever get in the Patriots Hall of Fame? Patriots.

Probably not. No, way more people than I am. Way more people. We got he brought the Patriots back to relevance. Yeah. He's got a lot of people to overcome who actually won Super Bowls. Yeah. So you're gonna say never?

No. Even after they get through all the dynasty guys? Yep. Because there'll be a whole bunch of crew about to win Super Bowls this year that I need to get in. Oh, there you go, Steve Brown. And then after that, what's Belichick Retires? Yeah, more and more.

Let's just keep going. We got to save room for Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. Joe Judge is in the Hall of the Patriots Hall of Fame. I'll eat my hat on air. Okay. Wow, that's great. What about Joe Judge or Matt Patricia? Give us the odds here.

Fine. If either of them are in the Patriots Hall of Fame, regularly eat his hat. I might have to clip that. I'm going to set it to myself 10 years from now just to see. All right. You guys want to make some Patriots season predictions on our way out since we are about to start the new year?

Oh, yeah. Greg, I feel like this is the time of the year where we make a jersey bet. What's the Vegas? I believe. I want to say it's nine and a half. Well, let me double check. Oh, I'm just telling you what the fuck it is. Oh, it's eight and a half.

Patriots eight and a half wins for 2022. All right. That's good. Ten. I'll take the end or you get the over. And what? Ten is a push. Yeah.

All right. You're going to set that high confidence, huh? I like it. I think it's about right. I think it was kind of, I think it was nine and a half last year. So I'm fine taking the over. Let's go. What do you think it's going to be, Andy?

16, 17, I don't know. Whatever. 17. Doesn't matter. No, I'll be. I think I said 14 and three on the season. 15 and three. Yeah.

Geez. He's the anti-felder, Greg. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to be three and 14. So they'll, they'll start off slow. You know, they'll, they'll lose one of the games of Miami. Some bullshit like that.

You know, maybe, maybe split with the Bills and then, you know, the rest of that. It's gravy. Steve, what do you, what do you think? I think about 10 wins. I think they get, they're pretty good early, despite everyone else's consternation. You know, they, they go like three and one. They have a nice easy stretch there. Tisha Browns before Sean's back.

And then the latter half probably on that Vikings or Cardinals game. On the Bills game. That's where they go. Or it's going to, you're going to find out if they're really good team or not. But I think they can go 500, close the season out, get around to 10, 11 wins. Back in the playoffs. So all right. 10 wins over, under.

Over. All right. And Greg, you think under 10 wins? Yeah. Okay. What do you, what give me a number? Like how under are you feeling it? 8, 9, 9 and 8.

Then you're 500 team. Wow. Greg Brown, the pissy little owner of the Brown family. Yeah. Ye of little faith. Right. Get some joy in your life, Greg. I did.

I have plenty of joy. I have plenty of joy. Yeah. Sounds like it. And if we just spent an hour and a half listening to you fucking complain about everything in the sun. Yeah. And now I feel great.

Sometimes you just got to get some shit off your chest. And then, you know, I'm happy as a clam. I'm going to go snuggle my little bon le joy inside. That'd be great. Are these the things that are really on your chest? Or is this just? I got, I got nothing but love for everything else. Commentators and referees.

Yeah. What about traffic, Andy, and people driving? Oh, it's been in a car with you. Are you really mad at the referees, Andy? Or is it something else in your life? So, so what I bring your rage onto these referees. Would you like to know what makes me mad? And it's one thing.

Let's just start with what doesn't make me mad. No, it's literally one thing. And it's things that don't work the way they're supposed to. Hmm. Are you mad at yourself or the universe, Andy? I'm mad at you, Steve. You don't work the way you're supposed to. Is it the way you were grown up?

Did your parents, were your parents nice to you? You tell me. You were there. I wasn't nice to you. Yeah, I know. I was nice to you. Yes, I know. That's why I'm taking out my rage on the two of you right now.

Payback, bitches. Well, we'll dive deeper next episode. Yeah, we'll really get in there. We've said that a bunch of episodes. We'll put you under hypnosis, Andy. Yeah, maybe maybe we're a client that chair back a little. All right, can you do your next one? Can you put a couch in your car for the next time?

I can do my best. Yeah, I'll just record. Tissues, put a pen on the table in front of you. I got some, I got some tissues. Don't worry about it. I'll let you do. Yeah, I do. I know what you're doing.

I'm watching this game. I do. All right. So what's next week, boys? I don't know. Super Bowl Sunday. Super Bowl Sunday. The New England Patriots head to where was this game held?

Indianapolis. That doesn't feel right. No. Jacksonville? That sounds right. Oh, Steve. I'll tell Stadium. One stadium plays Jacksonville, Florida.

3, 2, 2, 0, 2. We will see you then as the Patriots take on the Philadelphia Eagles led by Fred X, Tio, and Puked Boy himself. Donovan Wicked N.M. Very excited to watch that. Yeah. Get your Puked buckets ready. God damn right.

All right. So until next week. To the next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greggy on the Patriots Dynasty podcast material, some new material, we'll fucking keep keep talking. I'll find some Greggy. He's so easy to trigger and you, unfortunately, our listeners can't see his face right now because it's the best. It was funny.

It was funny, you know. Yeah, but it's like a 2 30. Greg, the more you play it, the funnier it becomes. Exactly. You're not the McBride. School of humor. It only has to be funny to one person. That one person is me.

All right. See you later.