Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2005 Week 13: Patriots vs Jets

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

Another episode!? What is this, a real podcast? The Brown brothers are back to (theoretically) talk about this week 13 matchup between the Pats and their hated rivals, but due to this being an altogether forgettable game it often devolves into falling down rabbit holes. So if you want to hear deep dives on Ty Law, Brooks Bollinger, and Ron Dayne, this is the episode for you.Greg rarely asks for things (that I will actually do), but he REALLY wanted you to see the picture of Ron Dayne, so here it is: https://patsdynasty.com/sites/default/files/2025-02/ron-dayne-heisman.jpegSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots Dynasty podcast.

The only podcast that's going back and rewatching every game of the dynasty era, which is nice because the dynasty is definitely over at this point. But what's not over is the fact that I still have brothers and they're both still alive. So nice to see you guys. Greg, how are you doing? Good. I'm happy to be the one employed brother. Bro.

The two employed. Right. When did I lose my job? I did the two guest brothers. That's fair. Okay. Yeah. Wait, why did you start with Greg too? You usually start with me. Because I'm gamefully employed, Steve. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm employed for now.

And also we have as you can probably, Steve Brown, even though his computer says Lauren Brown. You want the wife's computer day, Steve? No, this is my computer. Did he take back your computer when you got fired? This is mine. I don't know why it says her name. Yeah, that tracks.

So Steve Brown using his wife's computer now that he's unemployed. Maybe I changed my name to Lauren. I don't think you did. That'd. Maybe I changed my name to Lauren. I don't think you did. That'd be really confusing considering you married a Lauren. You'd just be Lauren and Lauren Brown. I always spell her name L-A-H-R-E-N, like Lauren. I actually thought that's how it was spelled to begin with.

Yeah. Until I heard you say it and I'm like, oh yeah, no, he's just being a dick. We get like wedding invites to Steve and Lauren. Oh God. That's brutal. Yeah. For her. Not for me. I think it's great. Yeah. Well, of course. Yeah. I mean, the fact that she married you means it's just life in general is probably brutal for her, but it was her choice. So, you know,

what are you going to do? What are you going to do? So now that you have more time on your hands, Steve, are you going to spend more, more of your attention and focus on the podcast? Yeah. I actually watched most of this game. Go, go. Do you have no fun? Broke a sponge here? Brown is definitely worse. I watched a one hour and 57 of the two hours and 10 minutes of this game. Thank you very much.

Damn. So you didn't watch all that. Good effort. Yeah. Well, you want to go to the intro to the game then Steve? Yeah. Oh, I forget it. All right. Yeah. Well, you want to give us the intro to the game then Steve? Yeah. Oh, I forget it.

All right. So 2005 16 to three Patriots beat the Jets who were helmed by Brooks Bollinger. If you remember him from the same draft class as Tom Brady. Wait, was he really? No. They had this he was drafted around the same time and he was Brady. Wait, was he really? No, they had this. He was drafted around the same time. And he was also a six round draft. Correct. Yes.

He was drafted in the six round from Wisconsin. And apparently he set the record for rushing yards by a quarterback at Wisconsin. There was actually some good stuff about him. He won a Rose Bowl, right? Yeah, yeah. He went 3-0 in bowl games. With Ron Dane.

That is a throwback. Yes, exactly. In one of the University of Wisconsin school papers, the Badger-Harold. Thanks, Greg. Steve? Steve, we can hear you. Yeah, I can 100% hear that. Thank you.

Steve's fucking watching the highlights. He did watch it, didn't he? Fuck, he didn't watch it. I didn't, I can 100% hear that. Thank you. Steve's fucking watching the highlights. You did watch the thing, didn't you? Fuck, I didn't watch it.

I didn't, didn't. No, I sent it to the fucking page and auto plays the thing and it won't pause. Andy, your website sucks. I'm sorry that you don't know how to use the internet, but I was in the middle of talking about Wollinger. So yeah, so you can shut the fuck up, Steve.

It wasn't me talking. It was Chris Berman. In one of the University of Wisconsin school papers the badger Harold a full front page Article praised a quarterback as a triple threat the accompanying three pictures of Bollinger showed him scrambling Handing off and scrambling once again So I believe that was after he won one of his bowl games. Hey good fan. Yeah, so our esteemed commentators in this game, Randy Cross and Kevin Harlan, definitely talking about our boy Brooks here

as the white Michael Vick, as if he's just a threat to take off at any moment. So you better not lose container, otherwise he's gonna tear you up. Did you, I like the commentators in this game I thought they're good I just want to give you a fact check Brooks Bollinger one carry 12 yards Tom Brady four carries 19 yards white Michael anybody take sample size anyway so let's get some career stats on double guy and Andy if you're gonna say white Michael Vick you should just

shorten and say vanilla Vic it's not bad bad. All right, let's see. You want let's see. Do they have rushing yards in here? Oh, that's passing rushing yards. Let's see over his five year career. Forty one times one hundred and fifty five yards. Zero touchdowns. Fourteen first. That's right, Andy. Forty three point nine percent. That doesn't sound very high.

What is the success rate? I think it's some advanced danger. At least 40% of yards required on first down, 60% of yards required on second down are all on third and fourth down. So how does that compare to Tom Brady? You don't care. Now you start about Ron Dane. You fucking started this great brand.

Let's see rushing yards. Hey, can you just Google Ron Dane and just take started this. Ray Brown. Let's see. Rushing yards. Hey, can you just Google Ron Dane and just take a peek at the first picture that shows up? The one with him and the Heisman. Ron Dane won the Heisman. Oh, yes, he did. He wants to eat the thing. Yeah.

He just has a he's not like a fat dude. He just has like a hungry look in his eyes. I mean, he's kind of a fat dude. Yeah, really. Dude, come on, he's kind of a fat dude. Yeah, really Dude, come on. Let's not be too progressive here. He's a little round, but he's not fat. He's round as hell He's not realizing offensive alignment one lies when you look at him like I 50 Andy, it's fucking big boy. Steve. You're five days are running back I do that is insane. I am NOT 250 Andy. And you are running back. I do that as insane.

I am not 250 Andy. What I see for I'm like 150. Jesus Christ. Peanut. Yeah, I wouldn't say that a lot, Steve, anymore. Yeah, I wouldn't either. I was one very delicate frame you have there. I was one of 50 that I graduated middle school.

Jesus Christ. I'm 150 pounds in dick weight. So how many rushing attempts did we say that your boy Brooks had? Was it 14? Something like that. How many things Tom Brady has in his career? Just attempts. 65. Higher. 95. Higher. 130. Higher. 250. Higher. 640. Higher. Here's more than 640 rushing attempts. Yeah, 693 rushing attempts. Jesus. For 1,123 yards. Yeah. They're all keeping. I guess I should have known the whole thousand yards. Yards for attempts, 1.8. What's his success rate, Andy? 38.5. Exactly. Not as good as old double B. Yeah, double B yards per attempt 3.8 quadruple. So now who is the better athlete Andy? Yeah, huh?

Steve from the sounds of it. Sleetum's footer 150. Steaming pile of your own words, Andy. Speaking of steaming piles, let's talk about these New York Jets. They were a steaming pile. Coming in on a six game losing streak, which is the longest thing in the NFL. They are at what two and nine coming in, I think. Not great. They are just abysmal on defense or on offense rather. They're points for 29 yards 31st on offense, just like bottom of the barrel. Um, because I mean,

they went through like a few quarterbacks this year. It wasn't just Brooks. It was a, who else was it? There's some quality names here. Oh, Vinnie Testaverde played some games. Chad Pennington also played some games, but, uh, they both went down with injuries, I believe. Um, and then Brooks Bollinger played the rest of the year. I see more Jay Fiedler. Oh yeah and Cliff Kingsbury. Your boy Cliff Kingsbury. Washington Deadskins. That was Greg Brown's next White Hope. You saw him in training camp And he's like that's guys gonna be the next Tom Brady calling it right now. I did say that mm-hmm and I was wrong, but

Not completely wrong Quite a career not throwing a football. He didn't know but he's still a great football career his career passing stats He still had a great football career. His career passing stats. And honestly, hear me out on this take why I'm actually right on this take is this was the whole Texas Tech, you know, spread offense. Oh, here we go.

So you was early. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, dude, these guys are putting up crazy numbers. You're meaning to tell me that if you don't build an offense around this type of player that it can work in the NFL. And everybody's like, no, no, no, can't work, can't work.

Fucking Patrick Mahomes. Boom. I predicted Patrick Mahomes just with the wrong guy. With this Kingsbury who had a 50% completion, like career completion percentage. So that's pretty good. Kingsbury? He only attempts to pass his entire career

and it's this year for the champ. That is correct. And he completes one of them for 17 yards. Yeah yeah 17 yards for completion numbers that's kind of wild they're insane i thought he like played more than that i thought he played turns out he didn't and he's in the league until 2006 oh yeah he's making that backup quarterback money like that's the way to be though he's the tom brady of backups he's not the who is it Chase Daniels that made a shit ton of money? He threw for 5,000 yards in 14 games senior year, 45 touchdowns. Didn't every Texas Tech quarterback do that though?

Yeah, but still, it's fucking crazy. Like, I think he has individual football is nuts. That's a big ball for you, I guess. I just want to see all the Texas Tech. He's still the Cliff Kingsbury second in career passing yards That Texas Tech history BJ Simmons member him. No Yeah, Billy Joe to Oliver Yeah, so here you go, I'm gonna give you the the top ranked passers Texas Tech history

Graham Harrell Graham Harrell. Yeah from 05 to 08 with 15,000. Yeah, I was hot on these Texas Tech history. Graham Harrell. Graham Harrell, yeah. From 05 to 08 with 15,000. Dude, I was hot on these Texas Techs guys early. Cliff Kingsbury, number two, from 1999 to 2002 with 12,400 yards. Number three, your boy, Patty Mahomes, from 14 to 16 with 11,000 yards. He's a whole 4,000 yards less than the number one guy.

Then someone, Seth Doge, Robert Hall, Taylor Potts. Oh boy, this is Debbie Lethridge from 94 to 97. That's what I'm talking about. I like Joe Tolliver. Kinggri is ninth in Heisman voting. Who was? Kingsbury. Was he?

Ninth. Yeah, junior year. Damn. All right. BJ Simmons is tenth. So like they were pumping out these guys for a minute. Yeah. And I guess the pass just picked the wrong one. They've had five.

You think he's good looking, Andy? Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's very attractive. Holy shit. So the single season passing records, B.J. Simmons, 5,833 yards and three single game passer yard records. Oh God. For Texas Tech.

Anybody want to give a, it's Patrick Mahlman, number one. Oh, it's that game against Oklahoma. It's the game against Oklahoma, yeah. You want to know how many yards he threw for? 750 or something like that. 734. Yeah. I've watched the highlights of that game recently.

He actually didn't play that well. He lost. Yeah. Number 16, Oklahoma, L.S., Texas, Texas, he somehow threw for 750 yards and looked like shit. How do you lose? Was it Bradford on the other side? Yeah. No, no, no, it was. um, yeah, Baker, Baker, Baker, Baker. Jesus.

Mayfield pass for seven touchdowns and 545 yards. She's broke the NCAA record for combined offensive yards with 1708. It's stupid, dude. It's like playing football at that point. Joe mixing caught three touchdown passes. D.S. Brooke had two for the Sooners. Mixon also ran for two touchdowns. Jesus. Pat Mahomes threw five touchdowns in 734 yards. For Texas Tech who are

now dropped to three and four with Pat Mahomes. Speaking of Patrick Mahomes, I suppose we should address the elephant in the room. All right. What elephant? Has just this past weekend won the his third straight KFC championship game. Yep. Going into. Bringing him the closest of any team to ever a three-peat. Yep. Because the closest any team has ever gotten is losing in the championship game, the conference championship game. So now our hopes rest on the Philadelphia Eagles Fuck how we think how we feeling about this Super Bowl? I've already seen this Super Bowl. I know Yeah, we could have had it sucked. Oh, we could have Bill Lyons. I would have been probably the most fun Super Bowl Oh my god

Schneid what you think the fix is in for the chiefs? No. I mean, yeah, I think it makes good radio, but no. Yeah. They just got some beneficial calls, but conspiracy people are idiots. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think,

I think maybe Steve was right about Josh Allen all along. Maybe. Turn into a pumpkin. He's a damn Reno of our era. Yeah, he's like I heard people saying Ryan Tannehill. He's a he's a Peyton Manning of uh he's he's the new version of Peyton Manning. Just can't get over the hump. Can't beat that other team. I can't stand it though. Like it makes me physically sick to cheese. Yeah. And I and I

understand that's my own. This is me being vulnerable right now. I. And I understand that's my own. This is me being vulnerable right now and saying that like it's my own insecurities that like I need Tom Brady to be the best ever and the Patriots the best ever. But it makes me physically sick hearing Tony Rommel suck off Patrick Mahomes on the broadcast. Yeah. To the point where I can't even watch it sometimes. Yeah, I feel you. I haven't felt that way in years.

Like that mad about a sports game. Like this was like early, like before my brain had fully developed, I used to get like this all the time. Oh yeah, you did. So when was the last time you felt like this? I mean, it's the Patriots are what used to always do it, right? It was probably around like 07. Hearing about the Giants after.

Yeah. Yeah. Where I was like getting like really upset about games when they lose. I remember. And then like after you won all these extra Super Bowls, like the second term, right? I was like, you know what? The second dynasty. I'm a grown up now. I can't really get upset about sports like that. It's like not okay. Yeah. And I've been doing good, you know

Until now we recovered look I used to avoid your triggers and just not watch I know Yep, watch the highlights the next day but say Kwan, you know, say Kwanzaa say Kwan buries him I'm like a gambling addict. It's like well, we'll just make up our losses with this Super Bowl loss would be sick Chasing it It's like, well, we'll just make up our losses with this Super Bowl loss would be sick. It's chasing it. Yeah. Ever since that Joe Burrow beat him, you know. Yeah. Not Tom Brady beat him.

I know. I actually rewatched that. Did you? After? Yeah. Yeah. How was it? It was a little Palikpanzer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've been there Shit, how was the test game for this? podcast right no, no pages cheese No, but I don't know the test game was from like 2000. Yeah, I thought we watched pages chiefs the

Championship game. I don't think so. Must have been your other podcast Steve. Fact check. Stephen Brown bringing the heat. All right Steve tell me about this game. What did you watch? What were your takeaways? It was pretty fucking boring. Yeah. A lot of field goals. This was not great. I mean to be fair it was a typical December New England game. It was 30 degrees with a wind chill of 26 and the forecast was sloppy, according to NBC. I'm not quite sure what a forecast of sloppy means but it was snowing. How many years ago though, right? You're from New England Andy, you know what that means. Yeah, but that's not what we're...

Like wet, snowy, gross. Slushing, yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't... Sloppy. It was snowing. It was nice. It was a winter wonderland. Wasn't like that. No, it was. It was sloppy.

I mean, not a ton of penalties, but man, the Jets were just so bad on offense. It was hard to watch or get a lot of money. It's Martin, right? Curtis Martin. Yeah. The the end of Curtis Martin. Yeah, turns out he had injured himself earlier in the season like early week two or something I just had him in the same but they were talking in this game how He could become the first ever running back to Rush for

His 11th straight thousand yard season to start his career And he just needed to average 59 yards per game to finish out the season. And we're what? Week 13. So he didn't have any games left. He got exactly 15 carries, 59 yards in this game. Would not get another carry on the season and would never play again. Is Chris Barnes last game ever? Yeah. So he got hurt and he just like couldn't finish season after this.

They put him on I.R. Tried to play the year after in 2006 and couldn't. They're retired in 2007. He's like an all-time lost to history guy. Kind of, yeah. Like does anybody claim him? Patriots fans don't claim him. Do Jets fans?

Jets fans definitely do. They do? 100%. Yeah. Yeah. It's like us claiming Rivas. They do. Mostly just Spinos, but also Spinos.

They claim him as like... He's one of the best running backs in history. Yeah, they claim him. I don't know. I've just never heard anybody talking shit and being like, yo, we got Martin from you. Have you never met a Jets fan? It's like all they got. That's literally all they have.

We went into both three and they got Curtis Martin. We stole him through that ambulance chaser contract. Yeah. And what was that? It was, I forget the exact. And then you just tell them about the, you know, I resign as HC of the NYJ and then you know, then they just stop talking to you I mean, I'm not like bitter at all about Curtis Martin. I was I am so we did a deep dive on him And he was actually like a super awesome dude. Well, I wasn't bitter about

His personality yeah, yeah and off the field he's like a super dude who does like a shit ton of charity work and like, he actually is a nice dude. Yeah. Oh yeah. Super incredible. Because I can see one of our earlier seasons, Steve did a deep dive on him to like find out how much he hated him and ended up like convincing himself he didn't hate him anymore. Well, I hated the Jets because the sound about the contract, like the restricted free agent contract that they outlawed the next year.

It was like a poison pill contract. It was like if you play for the Patriots and you get over like a hundred yards. Yeah, it was like if you rush for over X amount of yards in New England, then yeah, that's what a bullshit. So yeah, it was a poison pill that got outlawed because I think Vikings or the Cowboys did it too with some big name and so they put us up right after that. But yeah, so. Yeah, I mean, it probably helps that we won three Super Bowls right after he left.

Yeah, it doesn't hurt to like stealing their former quarter head coach. Yeah, it's supposed to be their coach and waiting. Yeah, imagine if we had both phone, that'd been so sick. Well, this is a whimper of an end for him. I mean, yeah, I mean, guess he's he looks terrible. Yeah. But you could say, I mean, you could say the same about Corey Dylan, too. Like he's on his last legs here, too. Yeah. But Corey Dylan is still, I don't know, still got a touchdown out of it.

You know, he's still he did he look Okay, I mean he definitely put up more yards in Curtis Martin dead in this game Where was I? Like a sloppy game, you know Cory Dillon's 16 carries 65 yards in the touchdown. It's fine I'll take that Steve Brown's boy Mike cloud 5 carries 27, long 15, the longest run of the game. Dude, this guy, for me, never even hearing of him, is all over these tapes the last two years. Yeah.

Well, they also talked about how they cut him at the beginning of the week and then re-signed him three days before game time just because they needed another running back and he's in here getting five carries. Who is that safety that they did that they were just fucking around at that point like Ross Ventrone or something. Oh, yes. It's like a release of every week twice a week for the entire season just to see they get that record or whatever.

Don't like that. Yeah. Boy, some other page's names that had defected. This is Ty Law's first game back since the move. Which was the Tai Law, right? Fought the law. Well, in this case, the law didn't win. Just wait, Andy. Just you wait. Just you wait. Just you wait, Greg. This is just the first match up of the year.

It is. Yeah. But he actually left at the end of the third quarter and just didn't come back. So they were thinking it was an injury, but I don't know if it was I think it was just Tila maybe Troy Brown's burned him so much that he's fucking had to go locker room out of embarrassment I don't well, I don't think that was it because basically every completion the commentators Made a point of it saying that they were throwing away from Tila's side of the field That was still good. Oh, yeah yeah, no he's still like, the only reason he left was because of money, right? Wasn't because he was banned. And I think he signed a one-year deal with the Jets this year. And so he's, you know, won it. No, no, he signed a one-year deal the second time again to the Jets. Was it? Oh, I thought it was this one. Yeah, he signed a three- thought I could He played one year and they couldn't afford him after that. Oh, that's right. Yeah

Yeah, cuz that's right cuz every deal he signed was like three years 50 million. Yeah I mean the league in interceptions this year. Yeah with what like nine or something return. Yeah, it's great. Yeah I have some notes in dialog. Should we talk about it now? Yeah. I mean, it's perfect timing. I've probably already done this before because I love Tyler. We have. But you know, going down old memory road, Tyler is never a bad time. I actually like played his Hall of Fame. You know, they have like the Hall of Fame video packages. Oh, yeah. Like 13 minutes long Calvin, my two year old sat there and watched the entire thing enthralled. And I was like, I felt like such a proud dad. You can see that one.

This is Manning's pro, all pro season. Oh boy. All right. So you put some of this in the notes too, Andy. So he's, he's, he's actually been, he was on the Patriots for longer before the dynasty than I think the people recognize. He's 1995. Right. Yeah. So he part of that team that lost super bowl of the Packers. Yeah. Drafted by Bill Parcells, I think, right. That was 95. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. His first round pick, 23rd overall Tyrone pool, the only other corner back hot day

We know all about Tyrone full don't you stay? Yeah, too bad Tim's out here. We can ask him all about it. Yeah Breakout performances in 96 with two picks on Troy Aikman hot day. I mean Michael Irving Damn, that's a that's not bad. Yeah, and that's kind of like a cool thing that I noticed watching his full career highlight package is all the sick quarterbacks he intercepted. Oh yeah. I got a list here. Yeah, everybody.

All right. Give me that list. The list is these are the top 10 Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Jim Kelly, Steve McNair, Phil Rivers, Drew Bledsoe, Boomer Sison, Jesus Christ, Kurt McNair, Phil Rivers, Drew Bledsoe, Boomer Sison. Jesus Christ. He throw Kurt Warner in there if you want to. He may as well, right?

Because he did in the Super Bowl and took it for six. Yeah. And I mean, he was always covering the best player too, right? Oh yeah. He was a corner that traveled. Some of these other guys didn't. So every single one of these things in the highlights is him like taking away from Michael Irving.

Yeah. You know, like they're not like taking away from Michael Irving. Yeah. You know, like, they're not just like these schmuck plays. Right. So he broke out, led the league in picks, parole ball, got his big payday. And yeah, I mean, he had a pretty fucking long career, 15 seasons. That's ridiculous. Chiefs, back to Jets, Broncos. That's right. Fifty three interceptions.

It's like 25th in league history. If you look through the list, it's kind of bizarre. Like there's so many people from the 60s. I don't know the fuck they're doing back then, but they were just like a third of the names. Oh, yeah, though, they were just throw picks for like they throw like five or six again because they just introduced the forward pass and they had no idea. Yeah, there's like defensive linemen that have more reception than the fuck.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, there's people getting like 30 picks a season or other things. It was like outrageous numbers. But for comparison's sake, Dion Sanders had the exact same number of career reception, right? So it's kind of like the class he's in. So modern era guys, yeah. Other notables, he was so sick in the Pro Bowl.

Really? He has the all-time most interceptions in the Pro Bowl. He had three Pro Bowl interceptions, two of them were for pick sixes. The other one that wasn't a pick six was six days after his pick six in the Super Bowl. Cause remember the Super Bowl? Yeah. Still play in the pro bowl. So it's six days after that he makes an interception and then laterals the ball to Ray Lewis who runs it in for a touchdown. So all three of his interceptions were returned for touchdowns, just not necessarily by him. Not by him.

Yeah. But I mean, he's a perfect type of player for a pro bowl, right? Yeah. He's already kind of a gambler. Oh, for sure. For sure. He'd hide on you and take a risk. So it's like there's no repercussions, super bowl for getting it wrong.

And then the other notable is Peyton Manning, his old pal Peyton. Does he have the most interceptions on Peyton Manning? He has to. I did it nine times. Five of those were in the playoffs. Oh, Jesus. Three of them in one game. Three of them one game.

And then he had another two interception game when he was on the Chiefs in the 06 playoffs. Oh, there's a bunch of them that were touchdowns, too. He had another two interception manning game back in like the late nineties, 98 or something like that. Okay. So yeah, Tyler all time top 10 Patriot. Yeah.

I found the list of quarterbacks who he's intercepted and you're right that he's intercepted Peyton Manning the most nine times. Any guess about anybody else who's on that top list? It's an interesting... It's gotta be Bills. They had so many different quarterbacks. No you're not wrong though. Yeah, he had a ton of picks against Bills. Kelly Holcomb. Number two with five picks. And then Brian Greasy with three picks. And then apparently feasted on Cowboys quarterbacks. They had Akeman and Quincy Carter with both two picks. Philip Rivers, Michael Vick, Drew Bledsoe, Steve McNair, Trent Green, Chris Chandler, Jay Fiedler, and Alex van Pelt.

Two picks each. AVP. Former Patriots offensive coordinator Alex van Pelt had been picked off twice by Tyler in his career. And you just had so much swag, you know? So much swag. Oh yeah. It's one of those players where it just moves different than anybody you've ever seen.

Like you just see him on the field and you're like, that guy's different. Yeah. Well, the real question is, Greg, which college do you want him to start coaching? Why? You think he's going to? Yeah, just following the footsteps of Dion. That's probably the closest one. Pit. Yeah. He's from Alakipa. That's like the all-time, like greatest like town for professional athletes. Have you seen this? I've heard that. Yeah. Pittsburgh. I think it's like a suburb of Pittsburgh Darrell Revis Tony Dorsett Mike Dick Tylaw and they're like a town in Florida that's like that too

this has a shit ton of big names yeah yeah it's like wherever Travis hunters from right something like that yeah check my ridiculous. 2005 chess game. Where's Travis Hunter from? I mean it has devolved into just googling things that we might think are interesting. Imagine if we did prep work before this. The personalities of things lined up. Let's think of that. I did prep work.

I watched an hour and 50 something minutes of the two hours and 10 minutes of the game. That's what happens when Greg gets going on Tye Tyler, we just fucking go down the rabbit hole. Speaking of interceptions. Where is he laying a top 10 Patriots, though? Right. Hmm. For me, he's like to the president, say, wow. I mean, Brady's one. That's like pretty obvious. I mean, what what other defensive players are, have a better,

are we talking just dynasty era? Yeah. Let's go. Yeah. Let's call it dynasty. Cause it's hard to really say like Raymond Clayborne where, you know, she's like, that's like, I have no fucking clue. Right. I think John Han would be up there. Right. Um, but like Seymour, Bruce G. McGinnis. McGinnis.vin McCordy. McCordy is good, but I feel

like Tyler was just like more dominant in his pride. Vince Will Fork. Will Fork is a good one. Yeah. I think I put blah above all those though, just for the big signature moments he had, you know, fixing the Super Bowl, free against Manning to get you to a Super Bowl. High for able Yeah, if they Bruce keys gotta be yeah, I probably put yeah, I think you make an argument bruski over him He had the star power. Everyone loved him and when they asked him And he was always that like leader of the defense to especially that smothery defense I also tie law was only here through 2004. It wasn't like he was a part of the dynasty for very long. Yeah. So, but he did play a big part in the dynasty.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Especially the beginning. Yeah. And before that, obviously. Yeah. But so for all players though, is there anybody else you put in front of them? I mean, that's so hard to judge. Like obviously, I mean, probably wrong. Yeah. Troy Brown. Try Brown for sure. Edelman. Probably not for me, but some people might. Yeah. Signature moments. Nikhil Harry. Drew Bledsoe. Drew Bledsoe is the one that dragged them out of mediocrity. I probably have Randy Moss way higher than anybody else has. Randy Moss. Yeah. But Randy Moss for me is anybody else has. Randy Moss, yeah.

But Randy Moss for me is... Kevin Falk? No, not as elite. Really? I think you have to be elite to be like... All right. Mike Cloud? Hank Poteet?

Earth Wind Warming? We should do that one day. We should do our top or our Mount Rushmores and compare. All right. Write that down, Andy. I'm writing it down right now. Write that down, Andy. Yeah, I'm writing it down right now. Write it down, Andy.

Can you hear me writing? No, but you're moving your head really weird. Yeah, I was pretending to write it down. So how you write? Yeah, with gusto, Steve. Just like Elon Musk does, throws his heart to the crowd with gusto. That's how I write.

A lot of elbow movement. Speaking of elbow movement speaking of elbow movement Let's talk about Tom Brady in this game Steve. Oh God, we're gonna try to so is I When we started that one you had no idea No, I was landed Tom Brady was the one bright spot. Yeah, they pretty good Everyone else, everybody else who took the field play like dog shit. False. Um, except for Troy Brown, Troy Brown actually played his first game back from injury to him in Kevin Falk

both back from injury. Um, both had been out for quite some time. I think, uh, yeah. Also, uh, Corey Dillon back from injury. Um, he'd been out for a couple of games, Kevin Falk back. He had missed eight eight the last eight games Givens and missed the last three games. He's back Looked at Russell. He was dropping balls all over Yeah, Bethel Johnson back after two weeks returning kicks and you didn't really see much of him because there was no kicks to return Because the Jets didn't ever score

But it almost looked like a different Tom Brady when he had Kevin Falk and Troy Brown there, because he could just rely on them. And he converted it was like, but he was seven of eight on third down passing. It was seven first downs. I'm thinking almost all of them, if not all of them were to either Kevin Falk or Troy Brown. They're Brown lead and receiver in this game. Yeah. Yeah.

I believe that for either team. Yeah, I believe that too. It was not a lot of it. With 64 yards. Right. That's, I said this game was tough watch. It was, because this was a Patriots team. They put up a stat where the Patriots were average, were giving up over 390 yards a game. The past like 304 games, something like that. And then you have 164 total yards in this game. Thanks to your boy Brooks Bollinger, Steve. 164 yards in an NFL game gets you fucking immediately fired.

It does now. Like that is fucking ridiculous. That's unacceptable. It's not good. It's 135 yards. I don't care if I like I'm not a Jets fan. That's unacceptable. As an entertainment product, that is unacceptable. It's not good. And 30 is 135 yards and then I don't care if I like I'm not a Jets fan. That's unacceptable as an entertainment product that is unacceptable. Like Goodell should fire them. I mean, fantasy was like a thing back then. Imagine having the vernius coals in your team. Now it was a game or catches for 35 yards. Yes.

Brooks, God damn it. I mean, they were good the year before they're 10, 6, mid division around. Yeah, they had a ton of injuries, I think, this year. But yeah, this was not this is not a great season. Well, Benji's asking, right, Steve? Yeah. If you're a Jets fan, it's not a great season. They went 08 on the road for the first time in franchise history.

So good for them. But not the last, I'm sure. Probably not, actually.. I'm sure. Probably not actually. I'm sure they've gone winless at home all year too. Didn't they just do that recently? Yeah, I feel like they did. Didn't they? Yeah. Something like that.

That feels familiar. Yeah. So, uh, part of the actions while we're on the jets, starting quarterback for the New York Jets week one next year. Uh, who, who's starting for the Vikings right now Jets week one next year. Who's starting for the Vikings right now? That's a fucking name. Sam Donald.

Bring him back. Yeah. Bringing them back. Jalen Milro. That'd be sick. They draft him with their first round pick. Roll him out there. They got number seven.

So it's probably Milro. Yeah. Yeah. All right. God I think it's Kirk Cousins. God, that's not bad. That's not bad. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's pretty good. It's not Aaron Rodgers. It feels like it's perfect for Kirk Cousins. It does. I was in a better and that's like broken apart where they're like, let's not rebuild. Let's just fucking try this idea. We know it's not going to work. Yeah. Yeah. He's a big man. Just be shocked when it does arc. Yeah. Yeah.

But the defense is good. Who's the fucking sap they put in the head coach there? I don't even know. The 14th pick. Aaron Glenn, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's a new coach. Yeah. What an idiot. Yeah. Hall of Famer, Aaron Glenn, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is a new coach. Yeah. What an idiot. Yeah. Hall of Famer Aaron Glenn, according to Mike Mello. That was his first prediction on our podcast was Aaron Glenn was a hall of famer. That's right.

That was our first ever fact check. I'm pretty sure. There's still time. That's the thing. He's a really good coach. Fair. Fair. I mean, he's done excellent so far. After he leaves the Jets, yeah, maybe. He's not getting there in the Hall of Fame coaching the fucking goddamn Jets. No, no. That's a recipe for a dessert. Like the Lions defensive coordinator, they were so bad. Yeah, that's a weird thing to...

And they were just like held together with like scotch tape, felt like and you're just waiting for the them to fall bar And that's who they hire And he's like a rah rah guy like it's just gonna be bad Awesome. Yeah, I hope It's like now I hope Aaron Rodgers does come back. Oh, yeah, it has to deal with a rah rah defensive guy Oh, yeah, that'd be so sick. I really wish Aaron would just continue to play for the Jets, that would be my dream.

That'd be fantastic, yeah. I fucking just love going to the Jets subreddit and just reading all the comments. I know, I do that too. It gives me so much joy. Or I'll find like, I love finding the equivalent of our podcast for other fan bases. No, it's not a thing.

Like their YouTube videos is like under like 300 views on their videos. Yeah. When the Deshawn Watson was going on, the Cleveland like tragedy porn was incredible. Oh, boy. These broken humans just talking into the abyss about how much they hate the browns. We should have some of them on. Do we could? I mean, they like talking. They'll have like two hour podcasts. Yeah. I mean, I know a guy. Pure despair.

There's a Jets fan that I'm online friends with. I listened to one of his podcasts after they're like, Oh, I think it was a may have been maybe the Mac Jones year when the Patriots just actually demolish your jets like 55 to three or something like that. Remember that year? It's like, I don't know where they came. It's like shredded the the jets, even though they weren't any good. Yeah. Yeah. And he started his podcast. It was just him and all in his room. And as the I went on to watch his little live show, he just goes,

is how he started it. Yeah, fuck. Yes. It's kind of awesome watching. Yeah. Like fans be miserable. Yeah. I've been trying to float this as a fantasy football punishment for a while now, but find a Jets fan and they have to listen to all of our Jets games that we've done because we've done like, I don't know, eight of them now. Oh, at least. Yeah.

And each of them's like a couple of hours is like it's like 20 hours of Jets content and they just fucking all lose all the time. And they just don't have the Jets. I remember Brooks Bollinger. That guy fucking sucked. That would be amazing. Yeah. Running success rate was better than Tom Brady's Steve. So, yeah, Steve, you're a dick. Oh, running success rate was better than Tom Brady's Steve. So yeah, Steve, you did a dick.

Oh, boy. Yeah, Doug Johnson in this in this game catches two passes for 26 yards and Joel Dreeson won for 17. Joel Dreeson also had two wide open catches that he missed one because he fell down all by himself tripped over his own feet. Justin McCarons six targets, one catch, four yards. These teams aren't that bad though. These are covered by LSL. This just seemed was this one. But usually, yeah, no, they got the dynasty. They're like 500 type of teams.

Yeah, this is a solid defense. John Abraham is probably just because Pennington got hurt. I'm assuming is why this fall fell apart, right? I can't remember if it was painting or if it was Yeah, I think it was like one of those things where like Vinnie Testa Verde was like good at the end of the last year I was like supposed to be like he was doing okay And then once he got hurt like they kind of put all their eggs in that basket And once Vinnie got hurt like shit the wheels just fell the fuck off Well, I think we trace all of the roots of the jet's problems back to that

preseason game. Yeah where um, Yeah, where chad pennington shouldn't have been in there, but he broke his hand broke his thumb something like that. Yeah, like giving a hand off Yeah, yeah something stupid where he shouldn't have even been doing it. Um Yeah, was that this preseason before this year? Cause he came off the playoffs, right? Where he was, he was pretty lit. Yeah. You put 13 games last year.

He played three this year. Yeah. This year. And then he said starter for 16 games next year. So I think that might be this year. I think you're right. So yeah, I think that could be this year. That was pre-season of this season.

Oops. Yeah. Jessica, I play of the year 2006. He went twice, didn't he? Uh, yep. I was like Chad. Yeah. He's like the best just quarterback of all time.

He also finished second either one of the best Jewish athletes of all time. The fever on the roof. Yes. Chad Pennington finished second in NFL MVP voting in 2008 behind Peyton Manning. What? Chad Pennington on the Dolphins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is fucking insane.

He's got four votes. Peyton Manning got 32. Okay. Don't we need to go back and look at a Gents quarterback. 19 touchdowns, seven interceptions. Their stats playing for the Gents and playing for other teams because Chad Bennington went off. Sam Darnold. I mean, Ben, then what do you say? He was looking second MVP voting after he left the Jets. Yeah. Sam Darnold's done it. Gino Smith. Yeah,

Gino Smith. That's a good one. Left and done good shit. If Kingsbury leaves the Jets becomes a great head coach? Yeah. Well I don't know about a great head coach. Ooh this would be some good homework because I bet we could find a ton of examples. Yeah. Yeah I think you're probably right actually. And then this supports my theory that I say all the time and actually my phone auto corrects me when I start typing this.

The Jets are only good at ruining players careers. Yeah they're very good at it. They're fucking great at it. I was gonna say it's where yeah Players careers go to die, but that's kind of Washington If they're not dying they think yeah, they just everyone and they leave in there go shit. I'm good again. Yeah I would say that's yeah, that's accurate. Imagine if Curtis Martin got out of that fucking vortex We're never gonna miss. Yeah

Yeah, so you left Yeah, that's not about when you who is the hyzer winner? a quarterback motherfucker USC guy Commentating now liner. Yeah. Yeah liner. Yeah, he went to The Cardinals did all right, didn't he? No, you think it's Sanchez.

Sanchez, yes, yes, yes. Thank you. He's actually a pretty good media guy now. Is he? Yeah. He's very charismatic. He's on the Coward show. My boy Colin. Great is it straight arrow that one. He's the only one.

Didn't get sucked down. Yeah. Right. That's how you know he's legit. I guess, yeah. I guess that's how you know he's legit. I guess, yeah. Like if... That's how you know he's a loser, Greg. Sure, but that's fine. I'd rather be a loser than a fucking, you know, real piece of shit. A rapist.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. What else we got in this game? I feel like we got to talk about Troy Brown, right? Boys, he's out there at 34 years old making catches at 24. Talked about Troy. We talk about true in every week Except we haven't he's been out for like this entire season. You got a fucking problem with that Greg. Yeah, he'll dick

Yeah, he said he set up the the pages only touchdown. Hmm The receiver in the game, yeah, they're here in the game. He's just Brady safety blanket Mm-hmm, like I he doesn't even need to practice with me. Just like goes out there and knows what Brady wants. Oh, he's ready. What he wants. Yeah. Doesn't drop balls. Yep. Because other

people were there getting open here. Steve's boy was there getting open. But, uh, you know, David Gibbons just not not having his dropping balls. Ben Watson dropped a couple of balls. Tim Dwight didn't see the field because Troy Brown stack

Well, Tim Dwight is an absolute psychopath returning puns. The dude's a car accident waiting to happen. It's amazing I did love watching that but alright, that's all I got right? Okay, you have an ag Greg You want to talk about Ellis Hobbs Greg? Yeah, tell me about Ellis Hobbs. How do you feel about Hobbs? I have a quote from Pennington though No. Tell me about Ellis Hobbs. How do you feel about Hobbs? I have a quote from Pennington though, scolding New York media. Can you hear this? This sounds very familiar actually. Yeah, give it to me. Yeah. December 20th, 2004, so the end of last year, scolded the assembled media telling them it was not their right, but a privilege of theirs to cover the Jets, to be around a bunch of professional athletes every day and do your job. Wow. I mean, tough look.

Professional athletes, I guess. Oh, look, Chad Chad. I thought is Chad's not his real name, right? Yeah, it's not. Yeah, that's a fucking Chadwick thing to say. That is a general thing to say. But I thought I thought it was Pennington. Yes, his middle name is fucking guy.

His Jimmy is Jimmy P. Yeah. Jimmy is like the P. Yeah. Jimmy. Isn't it the third as well? Like it's like the third. Probably. They'd fuck this guy. The guys. His mom. OK, the parents are both teachers, so he's definitely not rich.

No, no. All right. Never mind. Chadwick, I take that back. Yeah, Chad. Chad's a rough, but he's not an actual Chinese middle name. But why would you go by Chad if your name's on Chad? Yeah. James, Chad's a rough, but he's not an actual Chad. He's a middle name. But why would you go by Chad? If your name's on Chad? Yeah, James is not like a bet. Well, that's a sudden thing. They all mean their sons the same first

name. Yeah. Why? Oh, I see. So they can distinguish in the family who's who? That's real weird. Dude, there's like five people in my work that what we call them is not their first name. Why? Why not just give them different first names and like, I know, let the middle names be the same. I don't know. Yeah.

Or just don't. I just go by their real first name. Shocking. I got a fool me, dude. I got your HR record right here. Says your name's Stuart. You're covering an ID motherfucker. Look out here with this Chris shit.

Poor Stuart Christopher getting called out on a pod. We're just having a work with Greg. Well, that's true too. Speaking of shitty things, Steve, tell me about these commentators. I thought they were good. Did you? Yeah, they were likeable, relatable, had some good laughs. They owned up to their mistakes right away Well, what mistakes they make I can't remember but I remember having an overall impression that like wow, these guys are pretty good

I bet Andy hates them That was my thought Randy Crosses alright, cuz he liked to talk about the The line play he was he was like you can feel he was getting worked the overs and under. Yeah, he's getting he's getting erected by the way. Anytime anybody ran a stunt, he's like, oh, he's running a style. The pages are running stunts and bringing pressure up the middle. He just like having a blast, which makes sense because he was a center and guard for the

Niners back in the day. So is he in the Hall of Fame? Greg fact check. Randy Cross, Hall of Fame. Randy Cross. Kevin Harlan though just loves to add Adjectives to everybody's talking about. Like it was never the Patriots like when he would announce the score It was Super Bowl champion Patriots 6, Jets 3. Hey, I'm into I'm into that literally every fucking time Oh, you know two times Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady drops back to pass Like dude the past is gone by the time you finish saying his name only Andy gets upset about that

Like what the fuck I said, I just found it weird But and it wasn't like he would do it every once and I was like every time it's like I know the way you write weird. So said that I I don't write. You can't even read Steve. So I find where you're writing that you're reading. Right. He was writing down. You told him to write something down. He was writing it down. Oh, yeah. God. I think he's just being sarcastic with me.

Yeah. No, I don't know. He doesn't understand. So I guess what sarcasm. Exactly. And you also like to talk about how the teams had their starting offense and defense out. Like, the Patriots had their starting defense out there on second down. I don't understand why he was talking about their starting defense. Like, isn't the starters out there? Well, he's saying he's just base defense, Andy, you know? Say that.

Okay. It's not the starting defense. Andy, note it's just the details here. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to be paid to be a broadcaster. Well, actually. Get it right. Well, actually, a starter is different than a base. Well, they started the first snap in their nickel.

So like, actually, this is not their starters. This is their base defense. Because they had three wide receivers, so they came with a nickel package and and since that was the first snap of the game. He called out all the all the packages he called out all the the fact that the Jets would have six defensive backs. I thought that was quite nice actually. But I just thought I'd say what you said.

Did you watch the whole game Andrew? I did yes. You amaze me more and more every day with how autistic you are. Ridiculous. 16 to three. Two hours, 10 minutes long. How old's your child? Three. Just turned three. Does he watch it? Nope. No. No. So you have to do it when you're not around him. Correct. God damn, dude. I sit on a computer for eight hours a day yeah but you don't work yeah i work don't answer that i work that's why i also want the only employed one here andy to bring us full circle all right best and worst yeah give it to me okay greg you go first since

you've watched so much of this game. OK, I got this from your notes. Actually, the worst I have is the highest. The first pick that the Jets made in the draft was fucking kicker. I was having that up. What? New Jim. Yeah. In the second round, it looks like they traded either up or down or something. It's a it's a it's from Houston via Oakland.

So it wasn't even their first pick, it looks like. Unless they, I don't know, traded down to get more picks or something. Yeah, but I don't know exactly how it works. But, oh, Mike Nugent's career. But still, he did OK career, I guess. I mean, he played until he was 38. Didn't make a pro ball. No, but still a second round kicker and then go at 4 and 12, right?

How full of full Hermey boy? Yeah. Yeah her memories didn't didn't show up well in this They were buying the groceries, right? I would assume so that I mean they were punted They were down 16 is free in the fourth quarter, right? like you're actually keeping it close with the, a division rival who just won the Super Bowl and is, you know, I think the Patriots had 43 starters this year through due to injury. And they set the record last year in 2004 with,

their 40 new starters was the most ever by a team that won the division and they're already at 43 this year Uh, so they're just like like this is your chance You're you're two and nine and they're punting for new england territory in the fourth quarter like just Go for it. I don't give it's for them. Whatever. It doesn't even matter like you go for it. It's some loser shit That is some shit and that's why you get fired Right, and then the commentators talking about you know for the patriots They're gearing up to see what they're going to be like in the in the playoffs and then the commentators talking about you know for the Patriots They're gearing up to see what they're gonna be like in the in the playoffs and for the Jets There's still Reggie Bush because this is the bush liner Vince Young year

Amazing What was that Rose Bowl who did the who did the Jets get out of that draft? It's a good question to ruin I think they had the number four pick that year Well, he said they did coming into this. Who did they draft? Team draftees. Here we go. Debrickasha, Ferguson. Pick number four. Tackle. Oh, they all had it. And then they picked at 29 for Nick Mangold Center.

That's a good one. I mean, Debrickasha has an all-time name too. Oh yeah. So those two guys played for a while. They both draft no six. Ferguson went 2015 and Nick Mangle went to 2016. So not bad. Ten Pro Bowls between them.

Nick Mangle had to all pros as well. Patriots pick, Steve, you know who it is? No. 2006, you're never going to get their first round. I got nothing. Lawrence Barone. Yeah, yeah. Mr. Kick Down the Door. Chad Jackson in the second round.

This is a bit of a shitty one. Yeah. But look at the Patriots draft, where they drafted, what do we say, 95? When the Patriots drafted Ty Law. Look at that draft. Let me get it that way. I had it here. 195 pages draft.

Ty Law picked 23. Hall of Famer. Second round picked Ted Johnson. Not too shabby. They had his retirement ceremony at the halftime of this game. Correct. Third round picked- He's been eating on Belichick.

See that? Oh yeah. Oh, he has been since he retired. Yeah. Hates Belichick. I'm actually, I actually, one of my notes in my notes was I wonder if he shit on Belichick at that halftime performance. That's something to say. Third round pick, Curtis Martin Hall of Fame. Jesus. Yeah. And then Jimmy Hitchcock, Dave Wolobach.

Jimmy Hitchcock was okay. Right? Dave Wolobach, mean, I know that name. Yeah. Do you know Philly on and Carlos Yancy? Yeah. But I mean, that's that's not a bad draft. That's pretty good. Yeah. That's Parcell's first draft. Ninety four. That was not his first. That was his third draft. Well, Parcell's wasn't 93 was his first year. That was his complaint. He wasn't buying the groceries.

I guess. But as well, I guess can't complain when they're somebody Sounds like a shop at the fucking organic Whole Foods Market, bro. Here you go. Let me give you 93. There's his first year there first pick overall Drew Bloodsoe second pick Chris Slade Todd Rucci the guard Vincent Brisby and then Troy Brown in the eighth. 1994 draft, Willie McGinnis picked number four overall. And then Max Lain was on there in round six. The rest of it was kind of meh. We talked about 95, 96. Terry Glenn, lawyer Malloy, Teddy Bruski. Not too

bad. Get out of here, Bill Parcells. So and then Pete Carroll. Robert Edwards, Tabuccy Jones. Yeah, he didn't do so great. Football. Football. Football. What do you mean what? Kevin Falk, all right. Michael Bishop.

That was Pete Carroll's last draft. Calvin, did you realize your football highlights today? Football. You see Ty Law intercept Peyton Manning three times in the snow. Did you? Yeah. Say good night. It's a good night Uncle Steve.

Uncle Andy. They love you. Love you. Good night Uncle Andy. Good night daddy. Goodnight dad. Hey, who needs that guy? Goodnight.

Goodnight. Bet your son doesn't tell you he loves you Andy. Oh yeah, he does. He gives me kisses right in the mouth. Tom Brady style. Love kissing. Yeah. Hey, what do you feel about nudity with your child around? Best and worst. What do you think about nudity with your child around best and worst what do

you think about nudity with your child around i don't think it's the appropriate to stop i mean i think we can all agree it's fine when they're kids yeah i don't know i haven't thought about it greg okay i don't think about nudity all that often does he know how to do the mangina he has not tried it yet galvin knows the manjina and he thinks it's the funniest shit. He's like, where'd it go? Where'd it go? Yeah, that's your kid all right. Looking funny watching a two-year-old trying to do a manjina. Yeah, it's even the bulldog. You got to bend over. Yeah. Yeah, it's even the bulldog. You got to bend over.

Yeah, yeah. That feels like a whole man. Yeah, that wing, the bulldog, the fucking yeah, the squirrel brains. Yeah. All of it. Speaking of squirrel brain, Steve, what do you think about the referees in this game? I thought we were doing best and worst. Yeah, I know.

I just wanted to. I just wanted to segue. All right, Greg, would you like to know about the refs? Haven't squirrel brains or Steve Evans squirrel brains? Take a pick. Yeah. He went away. That's the refs. Yeah. Which Greg, did you have a worst?

That was my worst. That was OK. Graphing a kicker. I didn't have a best. Yeah. All right. Because this game's close. Your best wasn't just reminiscing about Tai Law. Yeah. I mean, I guess Tai Law having 10 interceptions in this season for the Jets is kind of shocking. It is. Yeah. I didn't realize he had been that good after leaving the Patriots.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Solid. All right, Steven. My best is that Roosevelt Colvin sack where they just decided not to block him. Oh, yeah That was the one that uh Sprints right up the gut. That was the one that you could basically hear Randy cross Like he had his hand out his trousers going to town on it with all the the stunts He fucking laid him out. I don't think he's done. He just stood right at the center and just oh yeah Yeah, he was a delayed blitz Yeah, he's lasted him. Yeah, and he had so fucking hard. There was some yeah this was a

different style of Protecting the quarterback than you see now with all the bullshit pat roughing the pass Oh, yeah, that would have done rushing the pass over sure. Oh, yeah Oh yeah, that would have done rushing the pass over Sherry. Oh yeah. It landed on him. It was harder than the turf. Yeah they did that to him a few times. Yeah that was sick.

And then the worst is just, I guess it's the best and the worst, but watching that Jets offense was just. It was atrocious. Yeah you want to hear the drive chart? Yeah. Four yards punt, 28 yards punt, negative seven yards punt, 46 yards field goal, 11 yards punt, six yards punt, 28 yards punt, 34 yards downs, 12 yards interception. Yeah.

Yeesh. Yep. And it actually didn't even look that good. Yeah. Like some of those drive lengths were surprising to me. This might be the first game I've watched this entire season and it's like, why the? Oh my God. It's terrible. Yeah. I remember nothing from this game

I do not remember this game happening. Not gonna lie. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend watching it But if you want to you can go to Patriots dot games and they are all there 64 yards in a NFL game is just crazy That's really fair by seven half to like to like, I guess, playing poorly. They have been. Yeah, they have no defense. Yeah. And they just had no offense. So is the movable object for us, the unstoppable force makes it the stoppable force, I guess.

The hundred and six four. Yeah. Well, the movable force versus that hundred and sixty four yards, but also 60 yards in penalties. So like really, they got one they got 104 yards of actual offense Pellies could be defensive too, but I guess but yeah, no, no, that was good. All right, let's see my best Adam and Terry Breaking the franchise record for career points in this game

And when he they tied it, they cut to Gino Capoletti, who was the record holder, in the booth calling the game for the radio. And all the fans around him started chanting Gino. And that was dope. And he was just like, you could tell he was thrilled about it. He's like, oh, fuck yeah, you remember? We're gonna do enough Gino love on this show. Gino was the man. Yeah. Gil and Gino on the radio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If we could find a way to get

that audio, it would be amazing because they were just like, that's what radio, especially like the, the play by play. That's what radio should be. I can picture it in my mind because they always tell you, you know, page is going right to left. Yeah. Brady and the shotgun, two receivers to the far side, left one receiver to the near side, right? You know, just like you could sense of humor too. Yeah. I'm getting all frustrated as shit and then muting the TV and then fucking finding a radio in the house and putting it down and turning it in.

Yeah. And then having to use the TiVo to figure out like the delay. Yeah. So to match them up. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. Well, awesome. That little boom box, you just get the little actual boom box out. No, it's immature, Andy, is what it is. What's immature? Not being able to listen to the commentators

and getting so frustrated by a game that you have to. Are you calling your mother immature? Yes, I am. Oh, wow. That's where you got it from, and that's where I got it from. And then I grew up, Andy. Did you?

But then didn't you just say you're devolving with the Patrick? Yes. But I the first you have to acknowledge your problems, Steve. Could avoid your triggers, Greg. I'm addicted. I'm chasing my losses. All right. Speaking of chasing losses, Hank Poteet was in this game and he played 10 years and 110 games. You want to guess how many interceptions you had zero almost He had four interceptions because they they actually talked about it in this game

He had never had an interception his career as a career defensive back He finishes with four he gets to the next two seasons. I think before you take me a career out of it Yeah, different type of player. I I guess yeah I got respect for him but Alice Hobbs the rookie stepping in shutting down the various Coles got himself a pick as well at the end to Isaac so that was good we can add that to the best let's see goes again oh Ben Graham the Australian punter for the Jets he was he actually was lit yeah he was putting balls, he was stopping balls at the one like without any help. Did a great job. But the commenter was talking about how he was able to do that because he could put some English on the ball because

he was, you know, dropping the ball point down or something. And Randy Cross wanted to know why they why they why do they call English and not Australian because he was kicking it. So so I may have to explain that to to him pretty funny. That was a joke Andy. It's a fucking joke I had jokes supposed to be funny Steve. That was a funny joke. I laughed. Did you yeah, I see you laughing right now So you must be a comedy Andy? Yeah. Yeah, actually Arbiter of funny is I am yeah, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah You're funny Steve. you're not funny I can tell us a joke on something here that was pretty funny wasn't it no no

Greg laughs and Steve you didn't because you're not funny again see you're not funny Andy nailed it all right let's see my best other than Kevin Falk being back in Troy Brown remake was your typical Patriots plays in this game. There was a few of them. Falk made a catch, like a quote unquote catch and a fumble that was knocked out of his hands. Like it was borderline.

And somehow he managed to jump back on it. And so Brady hired them back to the line because this was like the beginning of the era of challenging and pretty ran back to line just did a QB sneak as fast as they fucking could so that the play couldn't be challenged which is probably a good idea because it was an incomplete pass on third down so and the ruling was a first down so that was fun to see that the Patriots were a step ahead which you know everybody does now but didn't before. And then Tom Brady is being an absolute psychopath. There was 42 seconds left in the game.

The Pages had like fourth and one at midfield and Brady ran a QB sneak on fourth and one to make sure that the Jets didn't get the ball back. It's just like just fucking punted. Like it's taking the knee. Just take the knee. Like it's taking the knee. Just take the knee. Like it's 29 seconds left and you're up by two scores. It doesn't matter, but that's Tom Brady for you. Also Greg, do you want to hear Tom Brady's secrets to success with his weekly regimen? Oh yeah, this was good.

The whole list of what he does to maintain his... There's one notable absence from this list as well. So this is just a bullet point. He lifts weights four times per week. He runs in the morning before practice. He does a hot tub before practice. He warms up with a weighted round ball. He does a cold tub after practice and a deep tissue massage every Friday.

That's how he stays in such great peak physical form. Well, my question is, where is all the stretching, bro? Where's the pliability? When does Alex Guerrero come into his life? Right. Running before practice sounds bizarre. I didn't ever tell you to do that these days. No.

Yeah, I know. But when does Alex Guerrero come into Tom Berry's life? Another great question, but I have an even timelier question. When does Giselle come into his life? Because she was present at this game. Really? Yes. Because there was something to do with the Victoria secret runway thing or something like that. And so for some reason she was at this game. And this was before they were dating because I think they would meet in 2006. Yeah, I looked it up because it was the CMO of the guy who owns Victoria's secrets. Well, the company that owns Victoria's secret and a bunch of other ones set them up on a

blind date. Victoria's secret, Sandy? Victoria's secret. Just one secret. Just one. What's the secret, Greg? You tell me that's what the allure is. Well, I'm not going to tell you.

You'll never know. My wife. So yeah, so this was a, this was the beginning of the end, really. The end was a long ways away, but this was the beginning of it. The end of what? His single life? His football career, right? Oh.

Because after he got divorced, he, you know, went and won a Super Bowl and then retired again. But I will say, uh, they still will say they didn't have any of the commercials or anything like this, but they didn't have the coming back from commercials thing that they always do, sponsored by. Couple more good. My favorite tagline was, it's much more than technology. It's a Dell.

It's not even technology, it's a Dell. And then this game was so old that Saturn was still selling cars for Saturn. I don't think they were doing very well at this point because they didn't even have a tagline. It said Saturn. That was it. And then coming up on 60 minutes, is the bird flu really coming? Ooh, yep. Which yeah, topical because it's coming again. That's why extra so expensive. I'm Steve's time. Yeah. Yeah. So it's coming again. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's why I just so expensive.

Yeah. Yeah. I was wiping out the chickens, baby. Hmm. Also, we had our first plane accident in a while. Yeah. Yeah, we did. Good times. You think it was on purpose? No. You know, I because it wasn't. I'm just saying this this shit works for Rogan. Why can't it was on purpose? No. You know why? Because it wasn't. I'm just saying this shit works for Rogan. Why can't it work for us?

I'm just asking questions. We might be a little bit handy. We don't have any like actual people who know shit on this podcast. We know shit. Yeah. Greg knows so much about Ty Law. And like Ron Dane. Yeah. I just Googled a lot of Ron Dane Brooks Bollinger. I can tell you all about his career

I know that Guerrero came into Tom Brady's life in 2008 according to Google. It's a long time Andy can can you link this photo Ron Dane in the show notes? Yeah, I know I asked you to do this stuff a lot and you ignore it, but this is a real request. You asked you? Okay. All right. I will put Ron Dane. It's an incredible photo. It's awesome.

He just looks fun to be around. Yeah. That's a guy that I would like to have a beer with. For sure. I bet he's hilarious. I bet he is. He looks hilarious. That's for sure.

I got one fact going for you. Something you probably didn't know. Why is William McGill's for 55 Steve? Cause Ron Dane. No, correct. Why? Because he wears it on our junior sale. Who also played at USC.

Oh, okay. So big junior sale fan over there who would eventually come. Ron Dane, Ron Dane. Second most rushing as ever in NCAA football. Damn. Who do you play for? Oh yeah, I play for Wisconsin, right?

With Brooks Bond. Another Badger is four. James White. Nope, in the NFL currently. Yeah, no, fuck. Fuck, I know this one too. Dude, his name is so generic that it's like, I always forget it.

Yes. You can know who he is though, right? Mm-hmm, I get nothing. I'm so bad with names. So bad what names so bad name John Andrew and James Fuck Jonathan Taylor. Thank you. She number three Ricky Williams. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah that 2000s era like early 2000s era of running backs was like pinnacle Yeah, the Angela Williams is six. Yeah. Dorset five Royce Freeman seven. Damn. All right. Royce Freeman. Yeah. And a guy I've never heard of. Dono Pumphrey.

6400 yards from 2013 to 2016 at San Diego State. What? Yeah. It's like recent. How have I never heard of this guy? Would be sick if the the paths drafted that running back from boys, you stayed. Oh yeah. I'm kind of back on the running back being like a legit asset now. Or the ASC guy. Like Saquon has completely changed that Eagles offense. That's true. Yes.

Cause Hertz sucks and they're in the Superbowl. Like it's legitimately sucks. Yeah. Yeah. He's not very good. Like, if we just, if we had Barkley and Drake May and the receivers we have now, I think that offense could be as good as the Eagles offenses. Granted they're the number one defense elite, but that's kind of-

And like a really good offensive line. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. There's no easy answer in rooting in the Super Bowl because their coach is such a dickhead too. Ah dude, but it's easy. You don't root against a fucking chiefs. No problem.

Pumphrey drafted by the Eagles in the fourth round of 2017. Won a Super Bowl that year against the Pats. I don't remember that. Pumphrey missed his entire rookie season, did not log a snap or carry in 2017, but they won the Super Bowl without him. Also, his 6,400 yards is contested because Sportswires questioned the validity of his record due to NCAA's emissions of bowl statistics accumulated by

players prior to 2002. So his includes bowls. Good bowl game. Jeez he scored 62 touchdowns. That's a lot of touchdowns in four seasons. He's no Ron Dayne though. Ron Dayne is still number one in my heart. 2005 Patriots versus Jets. Who's this fucking weird running back that's like sixth on the NCAA all time? What? Oh, he won a Super Bowl of the Eagles. All right, boys. Yes. So what's next?

Get out of Ron Dane. Get him on the pod. What's next week, Steve? It's like a final. Greg, what's next week? Who gives a shit, Andy? You might. Pats are heading to Ralph, the Ralph.

The Ralph. Ralph Wilson Stadium, baby. We're about to go on a hot street, boys. This is just the start. Get on the gravy train now while there's still seats. That's right. The Red Jets, seven and five about to start shit stuffing the rest of the league or to park to play the and eight bills for an eight Buffalo Bills who are like kind of hanging around the shitty ASEs this year. To play the Turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg is on the Patriots Dynasty

podcast. That'll never get old. Nope, still hasn't gotten old.