Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2005 Week 14: Patriots at Bills

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

The Buffalo Bills have a chance to pounce on the struggling Patriots in this late-2005 matchup at Orchard Park. Can they capitalize on a weakened divisional opponent? Spoiler: nope. Relive the glory of old-school Patriots football with the Brown brothers and Tim the intern as they reminisce about snow games and Patriots competency. And as mentioned in the episode ad nauseam, you can watch this and any other game we talk about on the podcast at https://patriots.games.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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With me today, Greg, you should know this because I send it to you every week in the show notes that this is where you watch the games. Wow, you can watch the whole thing on here? Yeah. This is amazing. I'm going back to the whole thing on here. Yeah. This is amazing. Back to the 80s. Motherfucker. It goes back to like some games from the 70s back there. Oh yeah. Whoa.

Yeah. I put a lot of work in this podcast, Greg. You're welcome. Thanks for showing up. Is this new? Not very new. No, no. You should do better publicity about these kinds of things, Andy. All right, well, you can help me with that. Steve can help me with that, because Steve's also here, and he is just straight up relaxing these days. I have been on Patreus.Games. Can I say that?

You have, yeah. I've used it a bunch. I've been using it for like at least a year or two, Greg. Well, it's been around for a while. Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. So, yeah, so Steve, it's been around for a while. Yeah. Oh God. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, so Steve, it seemed like- I want my record.

I've been waiting for weeks for this episode. That's true. So I used the Patriots.Games to watch this game two weeks ago. Can you tell Steve is in PR? Yeah, hurry up. You too, I've been waiting on you and you, Tim. Steve definitely dropped the Patriots. out games like seven times in that one

Span right there. I'm pretty sure I also don't work in PR Andy God whatever. What is it? Marketing what's the difference? Is this legal Gregory? Okay, good question. Yeah. Yeah Listening to this right now. Everything's on. He's got Three Games to Glory, the Dynasty documentary. Yes, I know. It's a very good website.

Yearbooks? Oh my god. I know. This is incredible. I haven't looked at that much. I only looked at just this game. Oh yeah, it has all the season yearbooks for us, I think for as long as I make it.

I don't think I make them anymore, believe it or not. 2002. Yeah 2002 Yeah, there might be some more that I have to dig out but yeah, they're out there. So pretty good Andy. Thank you, bud I'm also with us a blast from the past almost is Tim Tern. How you doing bud? Doing well, Andy doing well Good you actually came up in work at work today. I don't remember how but the Tyrone pool thing came up the Tyrone pool thing came up. It's a Tyrone pool interview about my DM the other day of when I DMed him to apologize at five o'clock in the morning because I couldn't fall asleep after that. Yeah, my coworker didn't believe that you were scarred for life

and I say, Hey, you should never meet your heroes, bud. Greg even told me he laid down the blueprint. I read it and I said, nah. And you know, unless you hear Kevin Falk, who was the man. Yeah. Or Troy Brown. Yeah. Troy Brown.

I would definitely meet Troy Brown. Yeah, absolutely. Would you meet Tom Brady? Yeah, I almost did. Yeah, but then you got a hoodwinked, bamboozled. Yeah, but my expectations for Tom Brady are that he's a weird guy. What about Bill Belichick? Also, probably weird. Which one's more weird? Tom Brady. Interesting. Okay. You think so? Actually, I don't know, man. It's kind of tough. I think there's just different kinds of, I don't

know if this one is more weird. I think it's Brady. I think it is pretty even with I find it very weird for a 72 year old man to date a 24 year old. Yeah, you know, I'm not a 72 year old man. So I don't under like, like, I don't know if I would, if my mindset would change and be like, yeah, that's something I want to do. But I find it very weird. But like Brady as a person, I think it's just a weird person. Yeah. But like Brady as a person, I think it's just a weird person. Yeah. Like it's not just, you know, some sleazy picked up on three. He's like spending a lot of time at their family. Yeah.

Yeah. He did you see the picture that was going around this week of how he signed her like book or whatever when they met on the plane? No. He wrote some like little note and then signed it. Bill Belichick Super Bowl, like and then put all the years of the Super Bowl. That's what he does. That's how he signed shit. Yeah, that's how he flirts.

That's how he flirts. That's how he flexes his dick. Well, if you're asking me for my signature, I'm putting out every fucking episode of this podcast, too. Yeah, why not? This is every game must be diabolical. Crazy work. Have we got to 100 episodes yet? I believe we this podcast too. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Must be diabolical. Have we got to a hundred episodes yet? Uh, I believe we have actually. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Let that really pass with no fanfare.

Uh, we talked about it like, uh, in the, like coming up to it and then we just, well, I forgot because of my, um, ADHD, I got distracted. I'm sure. So that have happened. Like when would the, cause we do, you do what? 16. It was eight episodes ago. We have eight episodes ago. Yeah. Oh shit. I was here for that. That's crazy. Yeah. So congrats guys. You've you've done a hundred of these. Well, I have, I have not, but yeah, well neither of these two have either. You've done every one Andy. I have. Yeah. Didn't you do one? I'm the only one that can launch the fucking zoom

Yeah, I think we do need the statistics the statistics on How many because you guys have both missed multiple games. You guys are like, Oh yeah. I can figure that out. What, what don't you tell me what they're availability, Andy, this, this is my, this is my fucking nerd bonus is starting to

throttle a little bit here. I'll figure this out. Don't you worry about it. Okay. Because Andy, you'd be the Tom Brady cause you never miss a start. So I want, I want to know want to know what player you would compare the availability of Greg and Steve.

Okay. But you have to account for talent too. That's fair. Yeah, you do have to count for that. The best ability is availability, Greg. I know, but you know, the stars that burn the brightest. So what I'll do is I'll come up with a comp, a player comp for each of you

So Stephen might be like Patrick pass or he's like mediocre But he's always there and Greg might be like Terry Glenn where he was there for a couple games and shine brightly But I feel like Terry Glenn is absolutely Milo first of all And Milo shout out I think I'm Chris stops for Zingas And Milo shout out. I think I'm Chris Stops Porzingis. Well, for one year. It's a generational freak, a unicorn, you know? I just can't stay healthy.

In the wrong sport. Can't stay healthy. You guys should really put me on the shelf for the playoffs. That tracks. Speaking of playoffs, how about we talk about this football game? Let's do it. All right. So this is not a playoff game

but there are playoff implications because if the Patriots win this 2005 week 14 game against the Buffalo Bills in orchard park and the Dolphins lose the Patriots would clinch the division Wow. Yeah early. Yeah The AFC East is a bit of a struggle bus this year. We 13. Yup. We 14, but, um, who's counting. Yeah. Uh, and also the pages have been struggling this year too. Right. Like,

I think they started off for four and four, something like that. There's only seven and five about to make the playoffs. Right. That's crazy. Yeah. Like that's a down year for us. And to be clenching that early is like that wild Yeah, it's not good It just shows how bad that division was forever for like years 20 years Because I saw some sort of graphic that came up that said like I think the combined records for the three teams were like 1025 at that point. Well, yeah that tracks Yeah, so looking at it here,

the Dolphins will finish nine and seven. I think they missed the playoffs. Bills finish five and 11, Jets four and 12, as is tradition. And wasn't it like a classic Dolphins year where they like sucked in the beginning and then got hot at the end? Yeah, something like that, yeah.

Let's have a look. I mean, this is like the beginning of 20 years of eight in their last seven. Yeah. They win the last seven games. Yeah. So classic them. It's so stupid. They, they're still that way. Like now. So they finished nine and seven. Don't make playoffs. Yeah. Don't make playoffs. And then next year they go six and 10. And this is a, that's a Saban Dolphins, right? Correct, yeah.

Yeah. Wanna guess their leading passer? Cleo Lemon. Jeff Fiedler. Oh no, it was um, hold on, no, I know this because he threw the touchdown pass to beat the Sage Rosenfels. No, but he was on there. Gus Farrott.

34 year old Gus Farrott. Oh wow. How old, Greg? 34. How many passing yards? But he was on there. Gus Farad. Oh, a real Gus Farad. Oh, wow. How old, Greg? Thirty four. How many passing yards? Thirty four. Almost three thousand. Oh, wow.

Almost 15 games. Fifteen. And didn't crack three thousand. Correct. Brady, I think, cross the three. I think he already has three thousand yards at this point in this season. They said he's the leading passer in the league right now. Yeah.

Which this like, like now that the Patriots suck and everything is like so emphasized with like coaching and shit like that. Yeah. Like now when I watch, I'm thinking like, is it Josh McDaniels that's making the play calls? Or like, is, cause you know, it's like, you would have to imagine him and Tom are really like working you know like in step to

do play calls so I'm wondering if like he has Brady has the reins already at this point you know it's kind of just interesting to see like I mean they there were a few shots of a very young looking Josh McDaniels talking into the microphone while Brady's on the field with his play sheet over his face. I think he is calling the plays. I don't know. I'm assuming Brady has a bunch of leeway to change it at the lime, but it is interesting though, like to your point and you, I never really cared about like assistant coaches on the pads. Cause like we're going to be good. We're going to make the playoffs. We're going to make the FC championship game

because Brady will take care of the offense. We'd offense. You know, but now that we suck, I'm like, you're hiring who? What's his fucking resume? What has he done? Has he made play calls? Bro, Alex Van Pelt, we played him. We've watched him on this podcast. He was bad as a quarterback. Why is he the offensive coordinator?

He came from the Browns. Right. Was he worse than JP Losman? Dude, JP Losman's got a sweet deep ball. That's one of the notes I had and then I was like, oh shit, this guy didn't make another completion I think for the rest of the first half. Oh yeah. So all right, let's get into this game because I have some JP Losman notes. This might be... I want to hear these. This might be, um, well, so my, I think my first note was, um, the, the meme about, I know you, you know,

you want Patrick Mahomes, but you have a Patrick Mahomes at home. And the Patrick Mahomes at home is JP Lawson. Like he's running around, like his hair's on fire, making those throws off, off balance and stuff. Um, but he just doesn't complete any of them. He started one for nine, 58 yards and a touch and one interception. So think about that one for nine for 58 yards. So his one completion was 58 yards.

It's fucking sweet 58 yards. Yeah. And the next day passes incomplete. Yeah. It's just so bad. Like boomer bust. Yeah. And the next day passes incomplete. Like boomer bust. Yeah. Because what he did is he threw that 58 yard pass that, I think it was on the first drive,

too, it was like right out of the gate. And over Asante, of course, we like to pick on this. But then the next play or like next or two plays later, he turned around and threw it right back to Asante for an interception in the end zone. It was beautiful He finishes for with ten completions in the game. It's a lot. It's not that many for a hundred eighty one yards he also in this game through like a Crossing pattern that went for a 51 yard touchdown So he had two passes for 109

yards and he finished the game with 181 yards on another eight completions. Boom or bust? An absolute just classic early 2000s QB stat line I think. So can I ask you guys a question? You just did. Cool yeah Yeah. Can I ask a second one? So did you guys watch the Super Bowl? I did. I watched some pieces. Okay. I, the way I was watching this game and the way that JP Lawson was having to like run for his life was very, very similar to how Mahomes was running around like with his head cut off against that of Eagles pass rush. I was like really really impressed yeah because I his passes weren't like some of them were missed but a lot of them were like

in the receivers hands and they dropped them so yeah he wasn't really doing that bad of a job but I mean that's true he's getting no help from the run game either I know yeah on 12 carries yeah that's bad I fully support comparing JP Lostman to Patrick Holmes. Yes. I'm on board with that thing. Me too. The prior Tulane. The prior Tulane, that's right.

Does he go on to play anywhere else? I don't think so. The Lost Man is the locomotives. Did he really? Yeah. I hope that's true. It is true. So also, I don't, I mean, yes, he got no help, but he also got even less help because the

owner of the bills suspended Eric molds the Thursday before this game for conduct detrimental to the team because Well, they kind of danced around it, but it looks like from my research, Moult was suspended for one game for a sideline dispute with wide receivers coach, Tyke Tolbert, top name in the 24-23 loss at Miami in which the Bills blew a lead in the fourth quarter is what I found. It was the game right before this game, but that doesn't do what happened justice. It's exactly right

So you didn't sound that detrimental so they Played Miami in Miami the week before this They went up 21 nothing in the first quarter Lee Evans three touchdown catches Dolph whoever the Dolphins starting quarterback was, who'd you say it was? Say it now. Gus Farrott. Gus Farrott. Yeah. I got hurt in the third quarter when they're still down 23 to three. In comes Sage Rosenfels and brings them back, throws a touchdown to Chambers

with six seconds left to score the winning touchdown. Wow. Um, Chambers had like 230 something yards receiving in this game. Like just absolutely toasted this bill's defense. So, and I guess during that, Eric Moldz and the wide receivers coach got into it. Maybe because he wasn't catching any touchdowns, I don't know. And so the owner suspended him one game without pay for this Patriots game.

Why was it the owner and not the team? That's what I was wondering, but you know, it is what it is. All right, that seems like a weird move. And no wonder they got their absolute doors blown off 35-7 in this game after like that heartbreak game last game. Right. And then having the Patriots come to town and just take you behind the woodshed and kick dirt in it.

Yeah, yeah. And they've won. In Buffalo. In Buffalo, right. This game was never close either. Yeah. It was cool. It's snowy though. So that was it wasn't like, I don't know. I just it didn't feel like, I don't know. It felt like a weird kind of game like Brady wasn't really in the first half kind of struggles, like wasn't on his game, but they still like it just goes to show you how bad the division is.

Like it didn't seem like a clean game defensively certainly, but like offensively wasn't on his game but they still like it just goes to show you how bad the division is like it didn't seem like a clean game defensively certainly but like offensively kind of not like in my head what i would have thought a dominating win would have been. It's true yeah it's one of those that kind of took a while to to happen like the Patriots this season have definitely not looked like the Patriots that we i think remember even though you said, this was a 35-7 blowout of Buffalo in Buffalo. I think it just, it was more how bad Buffalo was as a team than it was how good the Patriots were.

And like you said that, there's this much maligned defense who, I think, what do we say, started seven or eight different players at the strong safety position because of the injury to Rodney Harrison. They are like last in the league in basically almost all defensive stats. But in the last six quarters, I'm not quite sure when this stat came up in the game, but

in the last six quarters, the Patriots defense allowed three total points and an opponent passer rating of 33.2 with Guys like what the fuck was his name something stone Michael stone like Michael stone Starting on this defense and then James Sanders comes in He actually dude like that one play where I don't know was a McGay He like lifted him up on that third down just absolutely Demolished JP Lawsman. I felt so bad for him. Oh yeah, yeah, JP Lawsman took a whole lot of hits in this.

There was one where Richard Seymour had a free run at him, like didn't get touched, like on a delayed blitz coming around the end, and just right up the gut, hit him straight in the face as he was like at a full sprint. And you never really see it very often, but every once in a while you'll see just how much bigger Richard Seymour is than everybody else.

Because proportionally, he doesn't look big, but he's just, you know, he's like 6'7 or 6'9 or whatever the hell he is. And he looks kind of scrawny, but when he hits somebody that's normal size for an NFL player, you can just see how much bigger he actually is as a person. It's fascinating. Yeah. And when you're talking about like a, you know, decimated defense,

he's playing D tackle right now and still dominating the game. Like it's crazy. Yeah. This is like prime Richard Seymour right now. He's just like really putting it together and just taking over games. Exactly. So wait, wait till he meets Ron Dane in the in the hole, you know. There it is. Hope he's winner.

Oh, God. Speaking of Heisman's, also in this game, bit player Andre Davis, I just happened to come across him in a different highlight video, one of Michael Vick at Virginia Tech. Apparently, Andre Davis was his leading receiver and averaged 20 yards per catch in 1999 for Virginia Tech, catching balls from Michael Vick. That makes sense. Yeah.

And he won the Heisman? Did Michael Vick win the Heisman? Did Michael Vick win the Heisman? Yeah. Really? I don't believe he did, did he? I don't know. did, did he? I don't know. I just use I just use that as a segue, but yeah.

Did he? Fact check. Maybe he didn't have that. Feels like a disgrace. Finished third. Fine. Guess who? Oh, really? Was it Ronday? Ronday? Yeah. It's awesome. All coming back around.

Look at that. Talk about a segue who is second Let's see 1999 How do you have the third and the first and not the second Welcome to fact-checking with Greg Brown Joe Hamilton drew breeze Chad Pennington. Oh, wow. Well, that's two guys who was in second Hamilton George Hamilton the president. I don't think he was ever president He's a guy that created banks. I'm pretty sure You were talking about Ron Dane saying he was like 260 Yeah, that was what he slimmed down to when he went to the NFL. No way. What was he?

90 In college fucking hell. Yeah That's a big boy, I bet he still ran a faster 40 than Tom Brady Vince Wilfork did yeah, I mean was a beast He's the man speaking of beastly running backs. We finally got Cory Dillon back in this game. It was nice to see He still he definitely runs like I do. By that I mean an old man. He had some breaks, but his cuts were just not very quick anymore. It's still effective and he ran for over 100 yards on this day. But this would actually be the last

100-yard game of his career that you just witnessed. Really? the last hundred yard game of his career that you just witnessed. Yeah. He'll get close to it again next week, next year against the Jets. He'll run for 98, but last time he hits triple digits. This is his last year with the Patriots? Next year is last year. It was 2006. Yeah.

That's when he starts splitting with Moroni and- Yeah. That's when he starts kind of falling apart. Like, yeah, he was falling apart this year and think the next year is just like bits and pieces. I did like a bowl though. So he's going to let that in this belt. Absolutely. I did like his little touchdown run and a Bill's like fan takes the ball from him and drops coffee on him. Yeah. See him get coffee. Yeah. You just see him like that's their death.

Look right through them. Like you have yo Corey Dillon's actually fucking scary. Yeah. The cameraman did a great job because he got, the camera was pretty close to Corey Dillon's face, got right in there and he was just like, are you fucking kidding me? If there wasn't a million people right now, I would beat the shit out of you.

Right? I would just take your head off of your body. I kind of forget that, like, I don't know. Just as we've gone through this season, when I looked at a couple articles and whatnot and like how he was kind of rough around the edges, you know, he's scared. Yeah, the way he exited Cincinnati was, yeah, yeah. And he the way that he would talk to media like during this season, especially like, because, you know, the wheels are starting to fall off a little bit.

Yeah. And he's like, dude, fuck that. Like I'm still nasty. Right. Yeah. And he is, I mean, he's still kind of done. He just hurt all the time. Um, but so Greg, how do you feel about, um, touchdown celebrations after player scores? I mean, I'm pro celebration. That's what you're asking. So then you and Randy cross would probably not get along cause he was very excited that Corey Dillon doing that dumb celebrating and dancing and stuff after he's grown touch and react like a real man and just, you know, pretend like he had been there before. It's the early 2000s, man.

Yeah. I guess. The stoic man is what we're looking for. Well, this is isn't this kind of the whole prime outro sync of his neck? I mean, oh, this is definitely the prime, um, Tara Lowens cause he got suspended. Yeah. I mean, I'm pro like Barry Sanders too, right?

Yeah. Just give the ball to the ref, I guess. That's a celebration. So whatever the celebration. What do you prefer? I'm not anti anything. Do whatever the hell you want. He's going to touch down.

Yeah. Who's the one that used to do the salute? Was that, um, Terrell Davis. Terrell Davis. Terrell Davis? Yeah. Yeah. I'm a high salute. All right. Here's a question. What do you feel about planting the flag? I think it should be outlawed in the state of Ohio.

They're trying to do that. I know. Yeah. Well, that might be the dumbest shit ever. The this trend of college players when they win at an opponent's stadium, taking their flag and going to midfield and like planting it has caused quite a few little ruckus. That's crazy. Which like I get like if I was on the other team, I would probably be paid.

Cause you just lost at your own house to your rival and now they're planting. Yeah. Yeah. I got to get on me for that. I support though, cause I support brouhaha's Like oh dude disgrace the game. I think it's sick. Yeah, they start shoving each other fucking right They're all fully pad like what's the worst is really gonna happen? Let's be honest. We're blunt. That's the worst Yeah, cuz he punched that straight sucker coach now. Let's at the palace No helmet.

I mean, miles Gallup miles Garrett, where you just rip the helmet off and hit him with it. Yeah, that was awesome too. Yeah. No one got like severely hurt. No. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. I mean, Mason Rudolph, I don't think has really recovered since then emotionally and professionally. He wasn't the one that got blown out by the Lions this year? He's playing for Tennessee. I think he threw like four or five picks. Yeah, I mean that's a classic mixing Rudolph though, yeah.

He was never gonna beat you. I was gonna say, I don't think the hit to the head did anything. They could have done it though. No. No. I think it was done. You're already. All right, I do have an apology though to these commentators because he's the same ones last week.

This is Randy Cross and Kevin Harlan. I remember I was giving them shit for Kevin Harlan. I'm like, oh, it's the starters are on the field for defense this week. And he would say that every time the teams would take the field. Like, well, the starters are out there for New England on defense. Oh, yeah. That's you'd get mad about it because they started right. Yeah like why why does that matter but he did basically announce every time Troy Brown

was on the field as the third wide receiver which is cool to hear. Yeah like oh Troy Brown's out there let's see where's oh there he is. I hate that they referred to him as a 34 year old every time I'm like well That's Kevin Harlan. He has to have that he has an adjective Before every name that he says so it wasn't the Patriots. It was the Super Bowl champion Patriots Oh, yeah, and it wasn't Tom Brady. It was Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady two times Super Bowl MVP Tom Brady Hell yeah every time every time Gay bitch Brown MVP Tom Brady. Every time. Every time. Hell yeah. Here's our host, gay bitch Andy Brown.

Put some respect on his name. Next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg is. And he is. On the page of his time. If anyone's being a blubbering bitch, Andy. That's true. That's kind of a blubbering bitch. I don't like to be called a blubbering bitch. Andy. I don't like to be called a blubbering bitch. I don't like to be called a blubbering bitch. Andy. I don't like to be called a blubbering bitch. I don't like to be called a blubbering bitch. Yeah. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I literally just apologize. I I lose apologized. I sound bite. Oh, oh, I'm a blubbering over here So what's what you what you give him for a rating this week that commentators Andy out of five stars?

Three and three quarters, okay I'm gonna give them four because blowout minutes. Yeah. no, there was one, I don't remember who it was. I think it was when the page of defensive backs went down because I think he got a shot to the groin. And so, yeah, so Kevin Harlan was asking, oh, what's he grabbing? Or Randy Cross was like, what's he grabbing? And Kevin Harlan kept saying, he's grabbing his breath.

What the fuck? And he's like, wait, what did you say? He's a breath. He's catching his breath. He's like, oh, you said, oh, you said breath. Jesus Christ. What did we think of Tom Brady's Super Bowl commentating? I thought it was fine. Yeah. I think he, I think he gets, um, hated on just because he's Tom Brady more than the fact that he's actually not good at commentating. I think he's fine. Yeah.

I mean, he's fine, but he's not. Yeah. He's not groundbreaking. Yeah. Like, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's

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I thought that was fucking weird. It's like, do they really expect us to think that they're going to be on that? They're watching the game from there and come. Yeah. Hey, there's five minutes ago. Just do this and then run your ass to the booth. Right. But we also know that you're in the book because you can see the field. Yeah. What are they doing there? I said to Kelly, I finally showed myself. They're on Dermott Street. How? When I saw him there, like he just looked like, I don't know. I don't know if he's like a celebrity.

He just yeah, like his face looks like he's saying, look sick. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't like it. Celebrity looks unnatural. Yeah. Just not Yeah. Yeah. Celebrity looks unnatural. Yeah. Just not real. Yeah. It's all that pliability, baby. Poor guy. Yeah.

Just wants people to like him. I love him, but I'm not because his skin looks nice. You know, well, I mean, it doesn't hurt. I love him even though he's weird. Yeah. Maybe I love you even though you're weird. I'm surprised we haven't heard any dating rumors out there. That is a surprise.

No, he, I mean, he was dating someone. I don't know who it was. I bet he's dating Amandola's ex-girlfriend. A couple of them? I'm starting that now. I don't know. I'm just making shit up off the top of my head, but we're going to start that rumor. Yeah.

So there you go. Maybe he's gay. I'm starting that rumor. He could be. And if he's gay. I'm starting that rumor. And if he's gay Andy, so am I. Hello, Kelly. It's not gay if it's Tom Brady though, right? Isn't that what I was saying? Yeah, of course.

That's the saying of the entire region of New England, I believe. Speaking of which, Mike Malarkey, Bill's coach in this. Just an absurd name, by the way. Yeah. Right. How can you have respect in front of a locker room? No, we won't. Andy doesn't have a piece for shit. He's dying over there. What the fuck happened there? We got all excited about Mike Malarkey, I think. Yeah, you got a Malarkey in his throat. It's deep in there. Oh, you sound great.

Thanks. I was surprised to hear that he played in the NFL for nine years. Yeah, he was tight end. Really? Steve, why don't you take over for Andy for a couple minutes? All right. So Mike Malarkey, you know, speaking of Malarkey, the bills are kind of a fumbling, bumbling mess in this game, huh, guys? Not bad. Not bad.

You know, Mike Malarkey was on this that some other famous coaches that he coached with from the Boston Globe article back in 1976 on patreous.games. You can read that. Great blog. Great blog. Nicely done. I'll bring it back.

I spot the PR guy. Is that in PR? Marketing? Same fucking thing, Steve. Does marketing go out to the public? Yeah. And sometimes the public has to run to that. There are sales, snake oil sales.

Exactly. Yeah. Let them know, Andy. Yeah, that is true. He's really social. He's really social. He's really social. He's really social has to respond to that. So there are those snake oil sales. Yeah, that is no Andy.

Yeah, that is true. He's really a social psychologist. Oh, I like that. Good spin zone. I think social terrorist actually. I'm not in sales. Sales terrorist. Yeah.

A marketing terrorist. That's definitely something you want around the office marketing is social terrorism. It's fine. It is engineering. Yeah, whatever. We got a malarx Andy. He's not so great. He they were okay at home under him the bills nine and five at home, but the four and 10

on the road coming into this game. And he's just kind of a bit of a bitch. Like but the four and 10 on the road coming into this game. And you're just kind of a bit of a bitch. Like you're four and eight. You're playing the Patriots at home. They're looking as vulnerable as they ever have in your tenure with the Bills. And you're down 14-0 and you finally put a drive together and you get across midfield and then it's like fourth and three and so you punt from from inside and territory. And then in like the third quarter, you're down 21, nothing at this point. And it's fourth down like well inside the Patriots red zone. Yeah. And they go for third year field goal, which they promptly miss.

And from that Boston Globe, Steve, that was from 1978, the Bill's keys to victory according to the Boston Globe was number one no more malarkey. Coach Mike's play calling has been atrocious and predictable. Time to get a little creative. So that's like, isn't malarkey getting all crazy? Said no. Malarkey is just acting around acting about acting up acting a fool around. Yeah, the normal I got more malarkey. Give me more turn the malarkey up now. You don't want that I'm lucky out that makes you safe and boring. Although bright spot for the bells Brian Mormon is a number three punter in the league. That is bright That's as bright as it gets for these bills

I mean, I feel like their defense was like not that bad when I looked at the like when they did the intros. Like you got Troy Vincent, who was nasty with the Eagles. You got lawyer Malloy back there. That's pretty fucking nice. Aaron Schaubel. Dude was always wicked fast. Yep. Nate Clements always I feel like he was someone that always gave Brady trouble. Yeah, he had a pick in this game. Yeah. And then Sam Allen's upfront. Yeah. Like that. And Aaron Schoble always always gave him trouble.

Aaron Schoble has the most sacks on Tom Brady and Brady's career. Yeah. And then their linebackers weren't bad either. Who else? Who was the linebacker? No, I don't think it was spikes. It was, um, for fuck's sake. Um, Posey something Posey. I remember that one. London Fletcher. Oh yeah. Who had 158 tackles on this season. He was just, yeah, he was the engine that made that kind of front seven work. Yeah, the problem is these guys are all old at this point.

And Brian, Brian Mormon is going to go on for like the next five years and be their best player on their team. Latrex. We're entering like the AFC East malaise era. They're just all going to be awful from like, yeah, it doesn't help when you draft JPM in the first round. Yeah. Who are the alternatives?

Well, then then they move on to Trent Edwards. I want to see that. Want to hear the list because we're coming off blood. So right blood. So yeah, this is where you want to hear about blood cell leaving. Yeah. Cause you've led so not a fan of getting released by the bills after 2004 season make way for backup quarterback JP Lawson. It was the second time that bloods us team had let him go for your own quarterback when blood cell was later

signed by the Dallas Cowboys. He expressed bitterness with the bills for moving stating I can't wait to go home and dress my kids in little stars and get rid of the other team's stuff. Talk about Buffalo and Oh gee, dude, I love drew. And at this point, at this point in, um, the NFL season, the, um, QB who is leading, uh, the NFC and pro bowl voting drew blood. So Cowboys starting quarterback drew blood. So They reunite some parcels there, right? This is the person's blood. So and Terry Glenn. Yeah Yeah, this is the the 90s Patriots all over again round two still working too. No, because he's still with the Eagles was

Let's over on the yeah, Tio is still In the Eagles because he got suspended this season for his, um, fight with McNabb over, who the fuck cares. Is that when he was doing the sit-ups in the driveway? Yep. Yep. That was awesome. Who did you say? Hit us with the list, Greg. Okay. JP Lawson, Kelly Holcomb, Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick,

Brian Brome, EJ Manual, Thad Lewis, Jeff tool, Kyle Orton, Tyrod Taylor, Matt Castle. Oh, wow. Nathan Peterson, Derek Anderson, Matt Barkley. That's our transition. Peterson or Peter Josh Allen. Oh, man, that's a lot of back UBs. And speaking of 13 years worth. Speaking of this magic, I was looking on the little ticker thing. He's playing for the Rams right now. Oh, that's right. He did play for the Rams a little bit.

Yeah, that's where he got drafted. He had four picks and this week. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he started with the room. Classic. I was like, ah. That's right, yeah, he's starting with the rim. That's classic Fitzmagic, dude. Yeah, oh yeah. That's Fitz Tragic right there. You get one of the other.

I can't believe he's still playing. So. He gets paid by the Bills that year. He's with them, remember? You wanna hear something even better though? 2004 draft, the draft that JP Losbing goes 22nd to the Bills. Three quarterbacks picked ahead of him. First overall, who ended up getting

moved Eli Manning. Fourth overall was Philip Rivers and they switched teams. And then 11th overall Pittsburgh Selects won Ben Roethlisberger from Miami Ohio before JP Lawsming is drafted number 22. Yeah but JP didn't rape anybody so I think they made the right choice, Andy. You don't know that, correct? Unless you're a rape apologist. Have you met your hero? JP Lawsming. That's true, yeah. I was joking. You don't know that.

He doesn't strike me as that type of guy. Because he has a nice deep baller. No, I just think he looks harmless. He does have a nice little flow going on there. Yeah. Yeah. When I saw him on the sideline, no helmet, I was like, he kind of looks like he's a dude from California. And then like a quarter later, they're like, yeah, JP Lawsming out of California. I was like he kind of looks like he's a dude from California and then like a quarter later

They're like, yeah JP lost my California. I was like, oh shit Yeah, my boy apparently was a higher highly rated high school prospect. Mm-hmm The only other quarterback selected 2004 draft Matt shop third round pick number 90 So basically you could have drafted anybody else and you would have been probably better than JP lawson in their defense They didn't have a chance. It's not like they passed on those three guys. They're already gone. That's true. They could have traded up. They needed, they knew they needed a quarterback. They draft one 22, right? Yeah.

Drafted a quarterback in the first round. Why not going home? Or they could have just ran Drew Bledsoe back out there who apparently was still good. Yep. And if he didn't not if Mike Malarkey is doing the play calling cause clearly fucking sucks. Yeah. Maybe it's not the quarterback's fault at all. Maybe it's the coaching.

Yeah, even though I mean, we talk about how bad, how slow Brady is. I mean, what's the- Well, while we're on the topic of quarterbacks, shouldn't we discuss, we've really buried the lead here on what the most notable part of this game is. The most notable quarterback to play in this game?

Yes. Was a homecoming of sorts uh for one very short but very large hearted uh doug flutie came in in garbage time to play and just fucking do the small stature big heart thing andy fuck yeah i did for all the commentator bullshit you give them you just hit us with this small frame, big heart. I did it because I knew it would annoy you, Greg. I'm gonna fucking... I'm so glad it annoyed you. Doug Flutie, rolling out here at 43 years old to finish this game off.

Natix finest. Yeah, Flutie Flakes, baby. I am not 43 yet, and I have had to call out of work before because I pulled, um, my peck muscle rolling over in bed at night. So how the fuck 43 old Doug Flutie is still playing in the NFL and running naked bootlegs on his second play from scrimmage and out running an actual NFL linebacker to get to the edge is beyond me. He's like a running back though, or like a receiver, like he needs, he needs those. You're a website developer.

Andy. a receiver like he needs. He needs those reps. You're a website developer, Andy. Over here, keep yourself in tip top shape. Was flutie probably. Yeah. Look at his feet. I've been a professional athlete his entire life too.

It's all he's known. He's one of those guys that's definitely sick at every sport he plays. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. For sure. Like in bag toss, he dominates the whole beach. Oh, yeah He'll crush you ultimate frisbee, even though he's never played ultimate frisbee. Yeah Fuck him out. Yeah. Yeah all of it. He's the man spike ball. He will fucking ruin you with spike ball So move around pretty well, too Oh yeah. He's spry.

Yeah. I watched the football life on him. His wife is like, he wakes up at six. He goes on the paddle board and plays baseball with his brother. He's like, he's like a little kid. Well, that's amazing. That is so he is now the flutie brothers. Plays the drugs

Yeah, he's the man. I mean at the end of this game even the bills fans were cheering for him everything He did like the entire whoever was left in that stadium was cheering for him And there was a flutie chant that broke out that you could hear. Well, he's probably their best quarterback They've had since I don't know. True blood, so. Yeah. Maybe he's better than Drew. Well, it probably goes, you know, Jim Kelly, Doug Flutie, then blood.

Right. So apparently Jim Kelly is a huge asshole. I've heard from a Bill Seasons ticket holder that I'm friends with. I've heard mixed reviews. I've heard he's not a good dude. I've heard that as well, but I've also heard people say that that's overblown. I've heard you're a big asshole, Andy. No, you see, you've heard he's not a good dude. I've heard that as well, but I've also heard people say that that's overblown.

I've heard you're a big asshole, Andy. No, you see, you've heard, I have a big asshole. It's different. Whoa. I've heard both. I've heard mixed reviews. Whoa. What have you done?

Why'd you bring that back? This is getting spicy. That's right. And I almost made a weird comment about Troy Brown earlier when you were saying like oh, it's not gave it stop ready Oh, I'm gonna say is the incestive it's Troy Brown for you guys Yeah, but we just got real I'd say it wouldn't even be we're not related I Really? I've been telling people my entire life that we are Okay

Let's talk more flutie. What else we got on flutie? He got the shaft in Buffalo. Dude, bad. If you watch that, a football life, dude, he got so fucked. Really? Oh yeah. He brought in the playoffs and then week 17, he sat cause they had already locked the spot

and they gave Rob Johnson a run out there. And then they were like, oh, we're just gonna run Rob up for the playoff game because he played well in week 17. Well no, they had committed so much money to him that the owner said, we have to play Rob. And it's like, dude, the whole reason you're here, it's because of Doug Flutie. You gotta fucking play him.

He's a fucking gamer, dude. That's such a bell thing to do though, right? It is, it's so bad. Patriots did it too. Really? The Flutie, yeah. Tony Eason. Yeah.

They played him all the way through the season. They were going to make the playoffs if they won the last game. And they rolled Eason out there because they wanted more explosive offense. And he scored 10 points and completed like nine passes. And then they end up going back to Flutie in that game. They still lost. Didn't make the playoffs.

Now this is like a shitty comparison, but like that's like when Matt Flynn went out and threw like seven touchdowns against it and then they're just being like, you know, Matt did pretty good. Like let's just sit Aaron Rogers in flavor of Matt Flynn. Like it's so fucking dumb. And then they got punished. Did that with Drake may like, you know what? Maybe you should start Joe Melton. He did win

Yeah, exactly I know him to a long-term deal oh so I do have a question for you guys So you I'm thinking like for the Patriots now with Drake may like I'm trying to it's stupid because obviously Comparing him to Brady would be is nuts But like you think of Tom Brady in his second season with Charlie Weiss, like do you think that with as much experience as McDaniels has that in I know it's like, it's going to be their first season, so it's not that comparable, but like, you think that McDaniels can have a good impact on May to like make him have great strides going into the second season. I do.

Yeah, I think McDamn's is a great offensive coordinator. I think he's learning it here, like this season too, right? Because this is right when he's really first coming up, Tom Brady first like really this is where the Patriots are transitioning away from that run defense and Corey Dillon and into the passing game and Tom lightened it up and they're both kind of learning at the same time. Yeah I mean they've had to because this season they've had zero running backs because of all the injured.

Corey Dillon actually played a game even though he was injured because they didn't have another running back on the roster. So picked up Mike Cloud like two days before. They've run out Heath Evans as their starter from Miami for a couple games Mike cloud seeing actual like game time this season Yeah, but Kevin Falk was back for the first time for real this game. Well as you last game then he was moving the chains, but this game he

Had a hell of a cat hell of a game. He converted six first downs in this game alone. I thought we were talking about quarterbacks. How did we get on Heath Evans? Because that's how I roll, bud. Andy just took a question about Drake May and told us how many first downs Heath Evans completed. He's been getting fall, you know, thanks for listening. I'm bringing it back to this game. I've ever fucking seen it because we're supposed to be talking about

2005 week 14 you're gonna drink fucking may is this my bad my bad my bad Daniel's thing, you know what I mean? Because no, I think that I think it's just gonna be good because McDaniel's like has experience in this. Yeah, I think I think we'll have to see more of these podcasts because of it. Yes, I agree a third dynasty is on its way Let's do more flutie talk I got more on flutie give me more Yeah, let's go is his Canada Football League numbers are fucking insane. Did you see these? Nope He threw for six thousand six thousand,600 yards in a season. 18 game season. And a what? 18, 18 games.

So 700. God damn. He has he played like six years, I think, for three teams. He set single season individual records for three different CFL franchises in attempts, completions, yards and touchdowns. He wants through the longest touchdown of his past 106 yards. How long is it? Longer field in Canada.

Yeah. No one is over all these extra yards. You want to know who he threw it to? Andre Davis. Peewee Smith. Who? Exactly. Peewee.

Oh, Peewee Smith. Oh yeah. Okay. That guy. Peewee Smith, right. His first contract there was for $350,000 a season. Nice. Wow.

And then he's like immediately like MVP of the league wins the whole thing signs a multi-year Multi-million dollar contract and they just didn't pay him and they were like interviewing the owner and he was like The interview was like Doug told us that like you just didn't pay the 750,000 like piece of it and he was like, oh, yeah. No, I didn't what are you ever gonna pay him? He's like, Oh yeah, no, I didn't. What are you ever going to pay him? He's like, Oh, heaven's no. So he played like the whole year without getting paid. Cause like CFL was in financial straights. Jesus.

He won six MVPs in the eight years he played there. What? He is the Tom Brady, the CFL. They did a thing like the Canada. Yes, bn like this anyways It's called best CFL players ever and he came in number one. Yeah, that's so crazy So he's number two he peace dude. He's like the bill russell of The CFL that's dominating easy. All right. Yeah, just drop this fucking looty flake nuts on the whole league. And then said, I'm out.

For free. Right. That's great. I need that all for free. Fuck it. Holy shit. Hopefully you got some endorsements at least, you know what I mean? To make up for it.

That's fucked. I know. And then like, you know, finally he gets back to the NFL and actually gets a real paycheck. So is it safe to say that Doug Flutie by playing for free and absolutely lighten it up for the CFL saved the CFL from financial ruin? Possibly. I don't even know what spoke like a true PR guy.

CFL is still going. I just check. Still going. Yeah. All right. Well, they didn't go under. 10% stake in the team too. Oh yeah. It's teams. All right, that's not bad Yeah, it wasn't worth anything. They couldn't pay their bills

Now it's 10% forever, right Yeah, try selling that 10% huh? All right, should we do better and worse here? I think we've yeah, dance around talking about this game. I got I have all the notes. Where the fuck have they been for the last hour, Tim? I don't know, dude. I've just gotten really fixated on the whole. I'm excited for the future of the you know, teams like Boston right now. I'm excited.

You know, that's how they get you. So that fired me up. All right, let's see. I said for the first quarter, Bethel Johnson is still the fastest man alive. Like I think even now he's still like the fastest man. I'll never not believe he is. But I'm the Homer. Sure. Dude, he's just like when you see him, dude, just all like he's electric It's what different yeah Oh, oh, so I had this hot take. Yeah

Try this one off for size Alright, so if Dion Branch and Benjamin Watson played their entire career with the Patriots We went both giant Super Bowls and maybe two more That is spicy maybe two more. That is spicy. Maybe two more. Just like put that over the top. Ancient Watson. Is that what he said? Yeah. OK. When I'm watching this game, right, like every tight situation,

Brady's either going Watson or Branch and every time he goes Branch, like, dude, he catches it every time and he's such a great route runner It's yeah There's a great battle of Terrence McGee in this cuz yeah Terrence McGee was talking his game to him It was a hell of a battle Yeah like he in the just the chemistry that they had for Belichick to just get rid of him for I think we got well like a second round pickers first round pick first round pick

Yeah, do you on branch? Oh, yeah, I mean he's like 26 in 2005 That checked that for me see if what he got traded for sure when we got him back It was like way less than that too. Yeah, I think we trade like a fourth round form, right? So Yeah, so then I also have Troy Brown's a third down God and then yes saying that I hated the whole 34 year old thing. Steve is right. Oh yeah.

September 11th, 2006, the Patriots own September 11th, the Patriots traded branch to the Seattle Seahawks for a first round selection in 2007 NFL draft. And who we take with those seven maybe that's Lawrence Maroney. 2007 NFL draft. Come on give me those seven. Maybe that's Lawrence Moroney. 2007 NFL draft. Come on, give me the list. All right. Let's see. It's probably Jermaine Cunningham or something. New England Patriots are coming. Oh, one 24 Brandon Merriwether, baby. Oh, Seattle. That was the pick. Okay.

Bernie Merrill was good. Yeah. Where's our first round pick? Let's see. Where's their first round pick stolen? Probably. You know, that's probably the deflate scandal. Yeah. Where's our first round pick? Oh, let's see. Where's their first round pick stolen? Probably. You know, that's deflate scandal. Yeah. I mean, not to play Spygate. Yeah. They probably lost it that year. Definitely had two first round picks that year.

Hmm. Never a thousand yard season. DM branch. Really? That is interesting. That is well nine ninety eight. No fives is best here. So that's the thing that I found interesting too, is like, you remember every time, like during these games, it's always he's Tom Brady's made a got seven different receivers or something like that. Like the offense was just so spread out. No one can like like whenever they go for those contract negotiations, like someone like Seymour, where he puts them

out of the D tackle. So now he has the advantage because his stats are suppressed. Like that's the thing that sucks about the Patriots offense. Because I was looking at Edelman's numbers and he only had two years over a thousand yards receiving. Yeah. Never draft a Patriots player in fantasy. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. And that's why none of them get in the Hall of Fame too. Yeah. I mean, you're 20-year dynasty why none of them get in the Hall of Fame too. Yep. I mean, you're watching your dynasty and you have less players in the Hall of Fame than any of the other dynasties by a long shot. But it's like it all makes sense. Like the individual. Yeah. Decisions. You're like, yeah, I guess that's probably right. You know, that's why they came at like, you know, they coming out as a team and getting introduced as a team. Right. The Super Bowl 36. Right. Yeah. But you're certainly not going to like this Dion branch trade in 2006 when

they look like dog shit. Yeah. They're so bad. Like reshake up, we'll just ship them out and we'll resign. I know that's the thing, right? We look back and we're like, Oh yeah, this was all just like good business, like moving off these guys, but there's nothing to say that they wouldn't have been way better.

Yeah. Oh, sex with Dionne. Yeah. But then like, shit, now you're getting Moss and Welker. Maybe it's Moss Welker and Dionne branch. That's fucking cool. You have Dante Stalworth like, well, you probably wouldn't get Stalworth because you have branch playing that show.

But I mean, I think about 2006 and the AFC championship game against Colts. Yeah. A fourth and two. If you have Dion Branch on the field. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. And you're definitely winning that Super Bowl. Anywhere we're building that bears, bears team. Then we get revenge on the Bears after the 86 Super Bowl. Come on. Yeah. In the rain outside.

I beat that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. You think Tom Brady's going to lose in the rain outside that that's what I'm saying. Yeah, you think I'm gonna lose in the rain outside I like it. No, I'm team Tim on this one Benjamin Watson. That's good. I'm a little Benjamin Watson He dropped like six bullets. He said two more he did That's a long time they're gonna be they're kind of crap by then. Dion Branch falls off by 2011. When does he come back? Like around then 2011. Yeah, five years after.

He comes back in 2010. There you go. He was not great when he came back. Just think about the chemistry that he has throughout those seasons. And if you have a Moss and then someone like Branch, everyone's going to pay attention to moss. Branch is going to eat. Absolutely eat.

Oh yeah. Just like Welker did. Right. Yeah. Let's see. Branch in 2010, 11 games, which he started in 9, 48 catches, 700 yards, five touchdowns. Pretty fucking solid. For a guy who never went over a thousand yards anyway.

Hey, Calvin. You say football? Can you say rock and roll? never went over a thousand years anyway. Hey, Calvin. You say football ball. Can you say rock and roll? Can you turn off his mic? Good job. Nailed it. Yeah, I only have a couple of other notes. So this was a type of game that when you watch, it's like immediately after

you're going to like throw Madden on and making sure you got snow. Yes. Going down like it's just we didn't mention that this is a snow game in Buffalo. Yeah. Yeah. Just like it's starting to stick everywhere. You've got a guy running across with the shovel, like clearing off the yard lines. Yeah. Yeah.

That's just like old good time football. And then also on that first touchdown run by Corey Dylan, where he just like gets kind of upended lands on his ass and then slides like, do that field must've been so frozen. Oh, that looked rough. Yeah, it did. Yeah. Um, and then one other thing was, I think it was, I think there are 21 nothing at0 at this point, but there's like a third and one and Belichick like calls for, he wants like a spot, so he calls for

the chain gang and then has the staff run onto the field and like use the cleat cleaners? I'm like, dude, he's playing chess there, I like that. And then they convert the third down. They end up getting a touchdown That's right, and they use a variable on the field. I so mm-hmm Greg comment touches, you know, is that just you know Overblowing Bellatrix genius or saying good night to my son. I missed it all Priorities come on. Right.

He'll still be here tomorrow. Did you see the athletic article, the 10 executives NFL executives rating with the best NFL head coach hire was this year. Nope. Nine of them said, Brayble, Adam number one. Yeah, we got the first pick of the head coaches and the Saints got the last pick. It's pretty good. It might be. What the fuck do they know? All right, you want to do best and worst? Yeah, if he was that good, he fucking they would have picked him. All right, Steve, give me your

best and worst. My best is that great story that Jim just told and Greg didn't, Greg didn't, you know, hear at all that. That's such a great story. It was, it was fantastic. My other best is Tom Brady outrushing the entire Bills team by himself. And he has a rushing touchdown. He did. On a bum like too, he got hurt on that rushing touchdown and was limping for first downs, but still converting them.

Yeah, that's sad for the Bills. I think McKay, he gets hurt, so there's- He did, he got hurt try He tried to cut block Richard Seymour Richard Seymour just ran through him like wasn't even there And say on your head That's bad. That's the bad too for the bills It's like you got outrushed by Tom Brady I count how many times does that happen in Tom Brace career where he outrushes the other team?

This might be the only that's got yeah that has outrushes the other team this might be the only that's got yeah that has to know right I'm gonna look that up that's a great question how many times did Brady outrush the other team this might be about this price mothers because his defense oh very confidently all right and your best was obviously watching the game on pages that games, I assume. Well, that was, that was my best. Tom, you're out rushing. I don't have a worse. It was all good. It was, it was a bug. A blowout win against Buffalo in the snow and JP Lawson just looking lost.

That's great. Great content. All right, Tim, give me your best and worst button. So my worst was having to hear multiple times Troy Brown be referred to as a 34 year old as a man that's approaching 32 I was just like I just feel like that's kind of unfair cuz Kevin Harlan you're like or whoever it was Randy Cross Like you're older than that. So like stop That's old that's fucked up like I didn't like that at all and then my best Shit was my best

Dion branch the arm branch just all of it dude like it wasn't puzzle piece Yeah, when you when you need something on third down you go to do a branch Like I know that like and it's the other thing too That's my best is just watching the, these teams. And then when you think about like the team 10 years later and the players that are just like the exact same player type that pushed the success of the team. Like you're Kevin Falk, Shane Beren, like you're Garrett Blunt, Corey Dillon, like your Dion branch, Julian Edelman. It's just crazy. The would have one, Corey Dillon, like your Dion branch, Julian Edelman.

It's just crazy. The comps like, yeah. Troy Brown to Wes Walker to Julian Edelman to, yeah. Right, right. The lineage, it's just like, it's like a family tree of like, you know, this person crawled so this person could walk. So this person could run, you know, just like Josh Allen did for Drake May. Right.

Exactly. Yes. Yes, but we need like Josh Allen to like what a Super Bowl if that's gonna Well, this is Josh Allen's crawl that yeah, that's walking. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. So yeah, we don't running is this we're taking that baton All right, yeah All right, Greg you got some best and worst I mean your best is off you dog like flutie No, my best is Gus Ferrat Best passer rating of the whole week week 14 That's not even part of this game. I love that. That's great. But it's this week. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah I love that. That's great. But it's this week. Yeah, no, that's fair. That's fair. Yeah

Do I know who top receiver is? Terry Glenn, no way Yeah, how do you do? Yeah, can we like hear about that? Because of the touchdown. That's not bad. Wow. What did blood so do for the game blood so what? 22 34 for 3 32 and three touchdowns. Yeah Who they play can the city he was nfc player of the week Dude, and we got our doors blown off by kansas city. Yep, that's sick Yeah, that's a that's big in the drew blood. So resume. I'm so pumped about that

Thank you, Greg. I changed my best finding that out about drew blood. So that's my best Double best what you are. Yeah, that's sick My worst is I found a Mike Malarkey story by Mike Floreo. Of course, he's actually the real worst But yeah, do you want to tell it to us into the microphone so we can hear you? So sassy. Oh, sassy. He planted a fake. He was getting fired in Tennessee and he told Rappaport that he was actually getting a contract extension, so Rappaport ran it.

And then he got fired like the next day. I remember that. No way. He's kind of a man for that. Yeah. He's, Rapoport is pissed, apparently. He brought it up recently, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. Like this year or last year, like he'd be still like salty about it. And Mike Flora was like, he's right. It was a dick move by Malarkey. It's like, get fucked, dude. Yeah, what's the worst thing that happened at rabbit poor? he was wrong once went on TV and told a story about another guy's a dick like

Right happen to him this guy got fired. He lost his job Right. I'm a little fun at like the front office expense like you may as well, right? Yeah Yeah, you got to think about it from his standpoint like his standpoint like he he loses credibility And like people are gonna be like what the fuck you know they're immediately gonna He's gonna get fired the next day they beg of course. He's not gonna contract extension. That's obviously a joke And then you can go on a phone never gonna be like he straight-up lied to me as a joke Yeah, I was credibility because Malarkey's like yeah, I did I'm not saying it's right. I just feel like they're can't believe everything they tell you in rapid port

Betting your sources, bro I'm getting a fire. Yeah, you're probably should I got two sources on that one big dog With the front office But if it's with the fucking guy who got it like you're gonna Hey, I think you're actually a bullshitter. So I'm going to try to verify this with someone else. Probably a good idea. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. That's probably what he says. Oh man. What, what kind of malarkey is that? Huh? They're very malarkey move. Uh, true to the name.

So you got to respect that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really know. I'm working all the way to the end. Sounds pretty sweet to me. That's right, yeah, yeah. I don't really know how you make your worst, Greg. Sounds pretty sweet to me. That was pretty good worst.

All right, my best, Randy Cross calling out the Buffalo Bills. It ain't just the weather outside that's frightful. The Bills are doing a pretty good job of being that too. Ooh, cold. That was a good one. It's not a bad line. That's a cold line, I love that.

That's colder than the Buffalo field right there. Oh, ice cold. Also the last time it snowed like this in Buffalo, Vin and Terry kicked an overtime field goal in 2000 in Belichick's first season to beat the Bills in one of the worst games that I actually remember watching as a prep for this podcast. And it was like maybe nine, six or something like that. And there was like eight fumbles or eight turnovers. It was, it was an absolute shit show.

You watched a game as a prep for this. Like when we first started doing the podcast. Okay. And you picked that one. I didn't watch the whole 2000 season. I started to watch some of them. Yeah. You wanted us to start in 2000 and me and Greg were like, no dude. That would have been sweet. Yeah. He wanted us to start in 2000 and me and Greg were like, no dude,

that would have been sweet. Yeah. Cause then you can see where they come from. But you know, no history apparently for this history podcast as a true fan of the show, I am technically a fan of the show. Yeah. I feel like I would have loved to have a little precursor on the dynasty. Yeah. I would have even done like, I would have done a prequel episode just to like outline where we came from. But we do it. Tim, just me and you.

Let's just pause this 2005 season. We're going back. We're going to do it. We're going to start 2000. Just us. I'm fine with that. I'll do it. Andy, he'll do another solo podcast. He doesn't care. Yeah. All right Yeah, all the free dynasty podcast. That's right yeah, the intro to the dynasty the Another best is Tom Brady getting called for crack back block your cube You could never get called for a crack back block on the double reverse. It was super soft

It was pretty was living homes would, Brady was livin'. Homes would never. That's what I'm sayin'. Yeah, that's where, when I saw him complainin' about that, I'm like, I can kinda see. I actually went and looked up, like, examples of crackback blocks to see if he was, like, just bein' a dick, like Brady was just, like, bein' soft. But no, that was like, it wasn't a crackback block.

Oh no, it definitely wasn't. Basically, it has to be a blindside block within two yards of line scrimmage outside of, you know, however many yards outside of the line. I don't know. It wasn't a crack back block. This isn't the best or worst, but Sam Adams has to be the widest player I've ever seen. Not like fattest, but just like wide.

Like he just seems like he's two people wide on the defensive line. That was his thing. He just takes up so much space. He's not like huge, but he just takes up so much space. He's not like huge, he just takes up so much space. He's like square, it's amazing. I don't know. He's like as wide as he is tall. Yeah, it's fantastic.

I don't know if I mentioned Ted Washington. Yeah, but Ted Washington was big, but this guy over there is just wide, Sam Adams. It's very strange. I feel like his head looks tiny too. Yeah, yeah. Compared like, like it's about to pop off. Like his head is a zit for his body.

We are officially off the rails here. Um, and one last best before I get to my worst, um, Belichick describing Kevin Falk. Um, and if Belichick ever spoke to me like this, I think I could probably die happy. Um, Belichick describes Falk as a specialist, similar to a lever in baseball. Of course, in that analogy, third down conversions are like saves. You don't really know when that call from the bullpen is coming, Belichick said. Obviously he shows up in all the games he's going to be active for, but his role could be anywhere from 5 to 10 to 30 to 40 plays. He's always ready and can adapt very quickly and easily to whatever the situation is. Fucking right.

Sounds about right for Kevin Falk. Right, that's, I mean, because I mean, we remember when we talked to him the situation is. Fucking right. Sounds about right for Kevin Falk. Right. That's I mean, because I mean, we remember when we talked to him, Falk was like, gonna quit the team because Belichick is like, you know, you're not going to be the starting running back. But what do you think about only playing on third downs? Because third down backs weren't even a thing then. That's right.

We did talk to Kevin Falk on this podcast. Yeah, he's great. Mine. Hmm. That was a good meet your heroes time. Yeah, that was great. What'd you say Greg? Well, it made him change his mind Belichick convinced him how important that role was. Yeah, listen to the podcast Greg. You'll hear

Yeah, he's basically the that you know My risk you're not on it Right, but I have an image of him in my head that cannot sell you. Oh, you won't sell you. He's the man. He is great. He was awesome. My worst is Troy Vincent. And no wonder he's patriotic because these games must have been miserable for him.

Why do you hate Troy Vincent? Yeah. Yeah. For what he did to us in the second Eagle Super Bowl. Changing the rules. He changed what the rules were for catch in that game. They were supposed to start the next season but he changed them in that game and the Eagles... Look it up Greg. Get your tin foil hat out and go look it up on. Remember when Zach Eritz, like he went to cross the plane or whatever and he, it was like at the same time of him coming down with the ball, it, it like looked like he fumbled it, which probably should have been an incomplete pass.

Then he called it a touchdown. This is like the same thing that Gronk scored on to beat Pittsburgh. The same exact thing that Pittsburgh didn't score on, right? Pittsburgh didn't score on because they call it crackly. That was a Jesse, whatever it's named. Yeah. They call him wasn't coaching. Jesse James. Or wasn't refereeing.

No, he's the, um, what is he? He's head of, I'd never put that together. I never, that's the same Troy executive vice president of football operations. So what did he do to make the call, the call? He didn't change the rule quick enough. Is that what you're saying? No, he changed it too quickly. It was supposed to get changed the next season, but they used those rules in the Super Bowl to... Before the game had been played though, he made the change, right? Well, it was one of those things where after review the play stood even though it it shouldn't have because it went to New York for review. Making the decision?

Yeah. It was his decision to make, apparently. Andy, some of your grudges I'll never understand. There's a lot of it you'll never understand. I personally never even knew it was the same Troy Vincent. I thought you were going to say you said something mean about the Patriots. I know you got a list of those guys too. Mark Brunel. I know you hate him. big long live. We don't have time for all that

I don't even hate I just don't respect them. I don't I just don't respect Marshall Falk you hate Marshall Falk. Um, I don't actually hate Marshall Falk. I do hate Wasn't ever here ever Sean Merriman Sean Merriman Sean Merriman can I'm not you gonna say anything bad about Sean Merriman because I know he could snap me like a twig Did you beat the shit of his life too? Yeah, I think he did. Yeah, and he was like with teal tequila to you I think wasn't that him what? Yeah, well, that's a throwback and then like I don't know something to do with her being a Nazi. Yeah Tequila tequila. Yeah. I don't know. Those are love with tequila. Yeah. Then, yeah, not great.

Not great. But yeah. Uh, one, two, three, four, five games that, um, your boy, Troy Vincent played against Patriots. He lost every single one of them. Except the Superbowl, the most important one that he played against us. He didn't play in that game, but yes, that was absolutely correct. Well, by the way, you're explaining to me, Andy, he basically won the game for the eagles and the super yeah he sure did he had a hand in it

oh god all right well i think that's it for this week what's the next week greg we're rolling we're keeping it going what's next week we're on a hot streak tim anybody know what next week is no john gruden buck in here. That's right. Of course Tim does. If I can use those brothers, the nine and four Buccaneers in New England. That's right. Battle the nine and four teams. Oh my God. I'm falling apart. Mike Flores cohost. Oh, find out next week.

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