Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2005 Week 6: Patriots at Broncos

Episode Date: July 11, 2023

The whole gang is here (eventually) to re-live... the Patriots losing to the Broncos, as usual. When we say we watch these games so you don't have to, we mean it. At least Andy does, as he seems to be the only one watching these games anymore.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny, but really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen, go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Pagerstasy podcast. I'm H host, Andy Brown. We're going back and rewatching every single game of the Pages

Daxie. Good, bad, nugly. This one does not fit into the first category, but we're still watching it. We're going to talk about it. With me this week, as always, it's the trusty Tim Turn. Tim, how's it going, bud? Going good, buddy. That's all I'd like to hear. And also, less trusty, turn, Tim. How's it going bud? Going good buddy. That's all like the air. And also less trusty, but also just is exciting. Gregory David Brown. How are you, Gray? Things are about to change Andy. It's off season. Oh yeah, it's officially

Patriot podcast season. Oh, okay. Cause the NBA is done. The NHL is done. Chamdenes league wrapped up last weekend. Okay. There's nothing on the sports calendar. Okay. Which means we can watch the games from 2005. You know, scratch that itch a little bit. Okay. All right. I liked it.

So what you're telling me is you watch this game. No, I didn't watch this. The NHL didn't finish till like two nights ago. It's nothing come for a couple more days. Yeah, you got to let the disease start getting in there. Yeah, you got to fully get into a real app mode before. I see. All right, you haven't hit rock bottom, you haven't bounced. That's right. Okay, cool. Noted. But watching the red socks yet. You haven't hit rock bottom. You haven't bounced. That's right. Okay. Cool. No, did it. But watching the Red Sox this year might make you hit rock bottom. Yeah, that's that's what I've heard. I just I haven't even tried I just can't bring myself to do it. Mm-hmm.

All right. Well, yeah, speaking of rock bottom, Patriots heading to Mile high stadium the scene of so many rock bottom games. What did you say? Was that a play on mile high rock bottom? It wasn't supposed to be, but it kind of worked out that way. That's going to work. I was going to say that's one of your better transitions that sound like he was on accident. Yeah, it was definitely by accident. I've complete forgot the name of the place until I said it. But yeah, we're heading to play the Broncos. The pages are not faired well against the Broncos, especially when they were coached by Michael Shanahan. Shanee, he pages are four and five against Shanahan lead teams, most of those being against Broncos, which is unusual to kind of see

head coach with winning record against Bill Balecheck, at least in the dynasty era. We also have a couple of, like usually when you see something like that, you'll have like a bunch of like other coaches who go on to do things, not the case with this Broncos team. The only other notable names you'll hear are Gary Kubiak, the offensive coordinator here. I think it was just like a great run coordinator. All the

teams always kind of finished in the top 10-ish in rushing, whether he was the offensive coordinator or head coach. But you'll probably know him as the Texans head coach from 06 2013. He wasn't that great and then he actually took over this Bronco team from 2015-2016. It was like just about 500. But the only other name I recognized, it was actually on Pro Football reference. Even though he was a lowly intern at the time, is Mike McDaniel. The current Dolphins head coach in media darling because he was Jordan's and speaks hip language. Wait, what? Isn't he like 35? Yeah. Yeah. How was he then?

Well, he's an intern. So we probably, I don't know, Tim. How old are you? I'm 30. He's a teenager. Yeah, probably. That's a fine ball boy. Yeah, then he stars a ball boy. Probably. How old is he? What was he born? Born March 6, 1983.

He is almost a month older than me. At least 40. So. Yeah. Born March 6, 1983. He is almost a month older than me. He's 40. So yeah, still looks really young. Yeah 2005. He's yeah, he probably just graduated college. If he went to college. Yeah, I don't know. So yeah, but yeah, he has an intern. He got listed on profile reference because he's moved up. Let's see Bronco, this is a good Bronco's team. One of the better ones of the era, or the like kind of post John L.A. era

when they won those two Super Bowls in the late 90s, which were tainted by the way. It was just one point that out. Everybody loves to rag on the page for cheating but they circumvented the salary cap to win those two super rules. So, you know, what are you going to do? Right, Greg? So they're not valid then? I don't know. Should we strip them? That's what I'm asking you. No, I don't think we'll just strip any of them. Okay. Yeah, I did. So you don't put an asterisk. I think Patriots didn't cheat,

then you can't say the Broncos cheated. No, I think that I think if you're not cheating, you're not trying. Yeah, you got it. You got to do whatever you can to win, right? Well, that results driven league. And you don't have a lot of time. So just get in there. Do whatever you can to win and then get out. Would you take steroids, Andy?

Oh, yeah. It's a shortcut to muscles. Are you kidding me? Damn, right? It takes steroids. Me too. Ronnie Harrison did it perfect Yeah, take steroids and then when you get caught just be like yeah, I did it so I could return to football faster and everybody's like That's pretty good reason. Yeah, cuz he did it when he was there It's the lion that got everyone pissed off

Right. Yeah, it's a little bit more than now like I would never yeah, cuz I'm pretty good Made into the same thing like he took it to like recover from that neck injury, right? Yeah. But he like, no, I definitely didn't take it. My just, my wife needed that HGH for her pregnancy. That's why it was shipped to my house under her name. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

I mean, how big was that? Get him on the climb and ask him, Andy. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. So yeah, like I said, this was a world of progress scenes is actually expected to win the Super Bowl. They went 13 and three. And as we'll find out, spoiler alert beat the

Patriots for the first time in the playoffs in 11 games. But then we're going to lose to the fucking Steelers in the AC Championship game. So good for them. Unfortunately, this was kind of the last hurrah of the Broncos success because they would not make the postseason again until 2011. Can you tell me who was the quarterback of that team, Greg? 2000 Broncos? Tim Tibo. And he points him to you? That's right. Yeah. Can you tell me who was the quarterback of that team Greg 2000 Broncos? Tim Tibo.

That's your boy Tim Tibo, that's right. Yeah, that's right. And they wouldn't make the conference championship again until 2013 when they still peed in Manning. So Mike Shane has pretty good. Mike Shane is good. Yeah, he, uh, he, uh, like crazy talented teams that he like had him always in the hunt. Yep, always. Um show to stat, I think I have it here somewhere, at this point in his career,

is 105 and 60 as a head coach. That's pretty good. Like that, you know, feels like Brian Greacy and Jake Plummer. Yeah, yeah. You know, and then everyone in back ran and do that with this killer thousand yards. Yeah, exactly Yeah, I mean the leading washer on this team is Mike Anderson It's the widest sounding name for somebody who isn't white Mike Anderson Who ran for a thousand years and they also had Tatum Bell who ran for nine twenty one I feel like you never never hurt them ever again. Right. Yeah. Also, I have note their fullback, Kyle Johnson, I think was second in the team with five receiving touchdowns. So good for him. He had one in this game too. That was like a legit

diving catch. Nice when your fullbacksbacks the second leading receiver on your team. Let's see. That's the Mike Shanahan way, baby. Oh, yeah. But I did want to point out that we have some all-name team entries from this Broncos team. So I want to see where you'd rank these guys. If you put them on your team or not. So I've got four here for you. The first one is Ebenezer Eccubon. Eccubon. I've heard of him before.

Yeah, double E Ebenezer. Ebenezer is a good name. And he goes by Ebenezer too. Like, I don't know what you're short on that too. Ed. Ebenezer. Yeah, out of the eddy. Ebenezer.

There you go. Then you got a Monsanto Pope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, It just feels like it feels like a swear word, but it isn't which is why I like it. It's probably Mormon. Jeb. Jeb here. I was thinking somewhere in Iowa where was it from? And then also lastly John Engelberger. It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

Yeah. No Hall of Famers in there, but. No Hall of Famers, but a solid like. It's a good role where that's good. Yeah. No hall of famers in there, but no, all of fairness, but a solid like role player. That's a good one, dude. Some some second team operative. Yeah, Ebeneezer acuibon because he's got the W as well. We got a Z and a K in there. Like, that's tough to do. Put the years from Idaho, that makes a lot of them. Jeb, I got from Idaho. Yeah, the tracks. GM. All right. Um, so where are we in the season, I guess?

I feel like we don't talk about that enough. We're just kind of like snapshot these games in time. So I was going to give just a little context of where we are. Paters coming in at three and two, they, let's see, they've played, I don't remember they started, but it was Carolina, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Atlanta, Denver is this latest stretch. Pittsburgh, San Diego, Atlanta, all were the division winners last year, and Denver comes into this game four and one.

So this is like, oh, and also Carolina is the Super Bowl revenge game, and the pages are defending Super Bowl champs, so everybody's getting their best game. And the page still sit at three and two, even though they're going through this gauntlet. I think part of that is because they missed Michael Vic the week before in Atlanta, and managed to squeak by, it wasn't Matt Shobb. Dollar store, Matt Ryan. Yeah, exactly. And they actually, the commentaries actually talked about how Denver had some plays in their

playbook that they called Falcon or something like that or Atlanta. That was basically running the exact same plays that Atlanta ran against this Patriots defense, except running it successfully. Because Atlanta had some success in terms of getting guys wide open last week, deep down the field, especially off-flay action. And the reason for that is injuries. It is the biggest section of my notes this week. We've got Cory Dylan. I got a foot injury the end of last game and was dressed but not playing because let's see. It was a quote, coach's decision and they asked Bella check why he was dressed and wasn't playing and Bella checks that he can't go and that was his explanation.. So hurt with a foot injury, I guess. Our boy Troy Brown inactive for this game, they didn't say one. Richard Seymour is out again.

Let's see. McGinnis playing with a wrapped up hand and he got poked in the eye. Mike Wright got concussed during the game. He was in for another lineman, um, oh, he was in for Richard Seymour. And then we all know that, um, Rodney Harrison went out a few weeks ago and Gus Scott of all people took his spot. Gus Scott is now out. So rookie James Sanders is starting at safety. And guess what happened? Yeah, James Sanders got hurt. And now you had somebody named Arturo Freeman playing safety for the the Patriots and looking like a no name on defense.

It was getting a lot of talk and a little bit of articles that you I guess it played for my enemies a couple of things. Yeah, I vaguely recognize the name, but I couldn't pick a matter of line up. I got some fuse with a Freeman play for a wider team of players. Yeah. Also, the pages because they didn't start Core Dillon, they actually have only two running backs on this team right now because Kevin Falle could also hurt. So you have Patrick Pass and who was the other one that was flying? You're all aim is zero. A famous aim is

Amos. Yeah, who was picked up a name street free agent two weeks ago picked my last week played a little bit and now is like splitting carries with Patrick Pass because Patrick pass injured early in this game and kept like limping off the field after every play that he was involved in. So it's been rough. It should take some steroids, get healthy quicker. Well, maybe, well, I mean, the other one, my injury's list is Teddy Brusky, who I don't know if steroids helps you fix your heart attack quicker Greg you tell me have you done so sure there's a steroid that helps you you never know

Have you done steroids me don't I look like someone's done steroids? I don't know you used to be now. Yeah No, I've never done steroid. No, I know this is checking. But they actually announced Teddy Bruski in this game. So this is what they said here. I'll queue it up for you. The Patriots have just released a statement here at the stadium regarding Teddy Bruski. It's been talked about all day long on the NFL today. The New England Patriots, this is the statement, have been advised that Teddy Bruski has received the unanimous, unanimous medical

clearance from outside specialists in the field of stroke neurology. He has also passed multiple physical examinations by team doctors and has been cleared to resume practicing as early as this week. The Patriots organization is satisfied that Teddy has received the best medical attention possible that has been assured that he has medically cleared to resume his career. So they released that like literally during the game. I don't know, we did. Which yeah, and that was like the second quarter or something, very strange.

He's got his Macau wrong, that's all. It's rough, he's dirty, I can't get back. He's got as well wrong. That's all. Scrubs and dirt on a couple of hard nowadays. Go to his heart, wrong. Yeah. So, so yeah, that was the big news of, you know, this team is decimated, but Bruce, he's coming back, which having a defensive, like you're defensive captain back on the field, especially with like the fact that

they haven't started the same defensive backfield two weeks in a row or like two drives in a row for a while. It would be nice to come in, coming effect, hopefully. Having said that, he's not back yet, and it showed in this game. They showed a stat at the beginning where the defense has gone 10 quarters without a takeaway, which is kind of strange for a bell check defense, but that feels very like Matt Patricia asked. The team has one interception'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, so they did not have a turnover in this game either. So they're now at 14 quarters straight for that turnover. So that's good. I did see on the globe that they were like a minus six coming into the game. That tracks. Yeah. I mean, they're not turning the ball over very often, but they're also they have zero defensive takeaways. So, you know, they have only a lot of opportunities. I may just don't catch them. Yeah, it's this anti-samula. He's dropped six or seven months already. Yeah,

he just is contagious. Yeah. Um, but we actually, we, we, okay, we kind of went in on a anti-samula last week because he had a pretty rough game. Yeah, he got burned. Yeah, we're not gonna do that this week because it's doing stocks week. Cause he gave up pretty much every single big play that happened in this game the Broncos came into this game with their longest passing play was 23 yards um

and Duane Stark's immediately gives up a 72 yard or two, like 45 year old Rod Smith to start the second quarter. And then on the next drive, that sets up a touchdown. And the next drive he hits, he gives up a pass to Ashley Lolley. Ashley Lolley. Rom.

Hawaii. Hawaii. Aloha. And that was a 56 year bomb too, both over going starts. And then after that play, he gets beat by Rod Smith again for touchdown pass. And then on the last drive, when the Patriots actually come back to make it a game and need one last stop, they throw it to Rod Smith on third down. And thanks to the like eight yard cushion on third and seven. He managed to just like all those

his way for the first down to seal the game. The Dwayne Starks didn't have a good game. I think you can say the defense in general didn't have a good game. They gave up four touchdowns, but you know, this is actually a pretty good Broncos team But all four of those touchdowns The drives were at least 74 yards was the shortest one 74 yards 80 yards 91 yards and 97 yards rose for touchdowns On a Jake from Plummer lead offense. Well, let's not slander Jake the snake.

Yeah, yeah. I don't like that one. I am a Jake the snake fan. Me too. So I actually, I have no strong feelings either way. That's about as ringing of an endorsement as you can get from Andy. I mean, I looked at him, and I was about as ringing of an endorsement as you can get from Andy. I mean, I looked at him and I was curious as to how he did. And I actually asked one of my friends who's a Broncos fan.

What do you thought Jake, Jake Plummer? And he's like, fucking loved him. Super bummed that he got bench for Jake Plummer. Oh, not, uh, uh, Cutler. Uh, uh, uh, cutler. Uh, and then I guess cutler got hurt at the end of that season and like Plumber just wasn't ready to come in. And lost like a week 17 game that would have got them into the playoffs or something like that. Um, so he's like, other than that, I really loved him, even though he was really good at throwing interceptions.

Um, and he really was good at throwing the interceptions. And he really was good at throwing the interceptions. This was his best year. He made the Pro Bowl this year in 2005, only throwing seven interceptions. I'm going to give you just the number of interceptions he throws by year when he started 97 in the year of the first year 15 year receptions 20 24 21 14 20 7 in 2003 20 in 2004 7 this year in 2005 and then 13 in 2006 He's a gun slayer. He just loves throwing this episode. I love me a gun slayer. Love story receptions. I love it. I'm That's a lot of receptions A little long shit. He's the man. He threw 161 receptions and 161 touchdowns.

I think that's the definition of a gunslinger. Yeah. Yeah. Do you see when he flipped off the fans in Denver? Remember that? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were boon him and he went and sat on the bench and just like put the middle finger behind his head

Fuck yeah, you know legend dude. Yeah, yeah, I know I won't accept any Jake Florence. I knew you'd like him Tim Well, I mean he's a big shrooms guy now And he's like also all about like getting weed. Like he was off the band substance list in the NFL. Yeah, that tracks. He strikes me as a type of guy. He has the haircut for it. I will say that in this game.

Well, have you seen him recently? No. Oh. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Take a, do a little quick Google search on that. Yeah, he's on the hippie mode. Oh, yeah, big time. Yeah, so it looks like Greg Well, you know why he has the hair right?

Why it's a tribute to Pat Tellman. Oh really? Yeah, yeah, cuz he used to be a beer Beard made some Pat Tellman. Oh geez. Yeah, look at that Yeah, I was like that. I have the hair in Arizona State. This dude definitely follows fish around the country for a living. Fuck yeah, dude. Fuck yeah. Oh, it's him and he Williams, that tracks.

All right, cool. Jacob Vegas, thank you. He's goaded for me. Always a big fat Adam. You fucking do. Yeah, you got a raw deal. But I read an article on him not too long ago. He had a beef with Shanahan for a little bit, but he was like, talk about how he had his best years under him too.

So it was like, kind of, uh, yeah, I saw that thing. Yeah, I'd heard that rumor too, that they were beefing. Yeah. Well, that kind of surprising. No, because yeah. Sharon Hind is instructing me as like a beefing with people. I bet, I bet Jake has problems with authority. No, you know, what gives you that, yeah. A snake?

No way. No, not the snake Never did you reminds you of myself a little bit, you know, yeah, I could see that yeah, you've got the beard for it Look at that hair. Yeah, dude. Come on Greg join the dark side I'm down all right I'm down. All right. Yeah, it seems like in this game, like it kind of similar to last week where, you know, they dominated the, what was up first in the third quarter of the past.

I mean, and this one is like in the middle of the game, second third quarter, they didn't do too hot. But the first and the fourth, they shut it down. Yeah, but yeah, that's just the electric high. But the first and the fourth, they shut it down. Yeah, but that's the only thing you needed. All four quarters. Right. Yeah. The Broncos scored all four of their touchdowns on five drives. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. And the last two were on either side of the half. And then after that, I think I wrote it down somewhere. Yeah, so the Broncos after the half, and they're first, they got the ball. They kick off and drove 74 yards for a touchdown. And then after that, they had 43 total yards and just punted the rest of the game. So they kind of like, it was one of those games where there's, I think, a lot of other teams would have just given up in the second half, especially after that touchdown to make it 20 to 3, which, you know, foreshadowing.

roll over. They actually started making some stops and Tom Brady just kind of like through the team on his back. It was getting the absolute like shit kicked out of him, but kind of brought them back. Score to go. I had a couple of field goal drives. I had a field goal drive and then a couple of touchdown drives at the end there to make it close. The final score was 20, 20, which was respectable. And like they had the opportunity to get the ball back one last time, the Broncos got the ball with like three and a half minutes left. And the past Diff has just couldn't enough to field. That was the Twain Starks at the end there just giving up the last third down. So that last, for me, if they get that field goal at the end of the half, they're only out

five. And then, his boy misses a 55 year in a row. So, and they were, and again, another reason why he built them, just to tease that a little bit. But I think actually it might have been Jim Nance. He had never missed the kick in Denver. Boom. Misses it. Six percent. Then Logan, then Logan, Megan's punches guy in the face. It wasn't the face. Wasn't? No. He got up and punched him right in the square in the dick. Oh, and so they came back from half time. And I'm like, do why the fuck are they throwing them out for like a late hit

after the play? And then they showed the replay like after the, like they came back from like the half time show, like obviously they got cut out of the video. Yeah, came back and they showed the replay of it. He's like on his knees and he pushes a guy back because I got on with something and it was like straight up squares and straight in the crotch. Wow. So hard that the defensive line and takes two steps backwards and falls over like, okay,

that's, I'll give the right man to that. That's crazy. That's a legit. Yeah, you get me. You get me. You got to go. But Jim, man, it's like the two of them are standing there in the booth, like, you know, awkwardly talking.

And he goes, no need for us to demonstrate that move at all, thankfully, and Sims goes, not on me. I just want to see some of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not punch Jim Nance on live television. Oh, I was nance that it to fill Sims. That would have been great. Yeah, just a little sack tap, like a pack.

Yeah, yeah. Barkley would have done it. Yeah, just a little sack tap like a bar. Yeah, Barclay would have done it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know who would have done it? Dan D. Hedor for it, done it. Our boy, our boy, we need another one of those. I'm hoping one of those coming up. It's always the HC East matchups that he does. So it'll be here. Good. Yeah, do we want to, Greg, do you want to do the hate section? They get off my lawn? Sure. Are you implemented? Do you have anything you want to get off your chest? I thought this was specifically for you. Oh, that's fine. Well, I mean, last time you joined right in,

so I didn't know if you wanted to go a long list. I'm assuming. I have a couple of things. What's here to start? Yeah. All right. I'm it will start with the commentators Jim nance It took him three plays Into the game to actually get warmed up because he got the names wrong on the first two plays on like obvious Happenings you got the Kicker wrong on the kickoff and then they're running back wrong on the first run play from Scrammage. So good for him. Phil Sims, a former NFL player, didn't realize that if your elbow touches the ground,

you're down by contact. I feel like that's a pretty simple one, even in 2005. So good for him. And the other one I had was Jim Nance that Tim pointed out. But in Ontario, it's never missed in Denver. Literally as he's kicking a 55-yarder, so go fuck himself. But the worst. I don't buy that shit. The current, what do you want him to say?

Not nothing. Literally nothing. Just wait, just wait until he gets it, and then you can pay it. He's never meant for you to condemn him. What was the interesting is a commentator, Kirk? What does Chris Berman say is the best commentating he's ever done? He gets comments about.

I don't know. It was when Cal Ricken set the record for most games played in a row. And he didn't speak during the entire thing.. He didn't speak during the entire thing. He didn't speak during the entire what? During the entire ceremony and like him walking up to bat and like all the crowd cheering everything. So he just like, let the crowd cheer. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I don't speak volumes, maybe. Exactly. So maybe he's like, shut the fuck up. Maybe don't share everything that's in your fucking head. That's all I'm saying.

Did Indians their job, their job is a commentator, right? All right. So, so, so, all right. And just to speak on the game and give you interesting back to it's like the inventories never missed a kick. Well, how about they say that after? I'm kind of, I'm coming to YouTube, Tim. You brought this up. I'm bringing up my gym, baby.

Gym dance is doing his job. I don't care. Well, he's doing a bad job because this is him. He's not doing a bad job. You're doing a bad job interpreting like, what? No, this is this has an effect on the actual kick. No, I'm not saying it does or doesn't have an effect on the kick, but like everybody superstitious. So like, just don't. Don't bring that upon you. Just don't. How would you just don't be superstitious? That's my podcast. I'm gonna go the fuck I want. All right. And Jim Nance can do it with the fuck you want. I'm just saying, if I have like a bet on overs for field goals and I game, shut the fuck up. Just shut up. That's, dude, that's my other one that makes me mad is these

betters. This whole like betting thing now, everybody's like, oh man, they better not screw up my bet by like making the vibes bad. It's like the fuck are you talking about vibes? Like these athletes, like do not give a shit about the vibes of your bet. They're just trying to fucking win games and get a big contract. I can't imagine. I'm not even mad at the player. I agree about like somebody not performing for your fantasy team or somebody stealing points from your fantasy team Greg I guarantee it. Yeah, but I don't do vibes. I don't do superstitions. I don't do bad. I don't do vibes Bob check the vibe check right now Greg not passing it. That's all I'm saying right now

Andy dragging me into the hey I don't know how I got talked into that. All right. Let's go back to you talking about how like they they actually perform a service and it's they give you a really great insight. Yeah. Like Jim Nance knowing the

actual names of players. So when Patrick Paz ran for a touchdown. Here was the the commentation for it. Time. Good. Some tough y'all. What would you have called their run or pass? This can't come in. I'll let that one go.

Dude, can we make relief? I'm glad they're there for that. That's that, you know, couldn't live without that. Well, he didn't say anything. And if you took you say you didn't want to say anything. And now he does it and you're all of his ass, he should have, he should have led that

joke fucking sit in the back of his head with the rest of them. Instead of just falling the fuck out of his mouth garbage. Yeah, I'm on Andy side for the fun too. Andy, I think we should have you commentate a game. I'll do it. That would be sick. And then we could take it. I'm down for that. You can try. Fucking nail it every time. I do. You think I don't you think I don't commentate the games sitting on my couch? Andy, I think it's a little bit different. No, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. I think I think that me and Andy we could do a good job. Yeah, I'll help you out, Andy. I'll be taller. Yeah, who's who though?

I'll be the gymnath one or you be the gymnath. I'm happy to do play by play. I think Andy has to do play by play. I'm going to do with the Gila Gino style where it's actually telling you what side of the field people are on and everything. There's no way you could do that. That's way harder than it sounds. I bet it is. Yeah. Radio commentating is like wicked.

You ever listen to like hockey radio commentators? Oh, yeah, I couldn't. You're all the hockey. You shit, man. I don't know how they do that. Yeah, it's actually really impressive. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Well, just we'll start with like a fourth quarter. Yeah, we can do that. Well, just, well, you just let me know when you're watching the next game and I'll just do a bait, you know, we'll do a zoom like this. And then, just think fact, though it's from Tim.

Andy Hittness with the cold hard facts and silence when silence is appropriate. Exactly. Yes. You know what? It mostly is, so that'll be fine. It is interesting though, you hear, you watch soccer games with English commentators.

It's a very different style. They let the game breathe much more than the American commentators do. But I think the type of the game is very interesting. That's true. Yeah, there's a lot of dead, but also if you listen to Americans commentate soccer, it's the fucking worst thing in the world. Cause it feels like they're trying to make everything exciting.

And you're like, dude, just try and let that be hard. Pretty. Yeah. Taylor, also like just like soccer terms with an American accent. It doesn't feel right. Yeah, there's no winning there's no winning position there because you can't say the English terms because then you're the dickhead that does that. Exactly. Yeah. It doesn't sound right. Yeah, but yeah, but I run sounds like little tight soccer if you're just saying it with American words. Yeah, my favorite is just to put it on Spanish and just let it ride. Yeah, yeah.

The Spanish is great. That's why you don't have more left right. Just put it on Spanish and just let it ride. Yeah, yeah. Spanish is great. That's why you do a lot more Latin. Just said it's Spanish. Yeah, that's what I do. That's what I do. Just let it ride. And when that goal comes off, man, let's not the more Latin.

Let's work on school. I don't think it feels so good. Father, who is that? Who's the English guy that does the goal stuff? You don't talk about Greg. For so, I think? Yeah. Yeah, I know you're talking about dad hates him.

Yeah, I love it. Cause he's's like that's all poetic and stuff like a hysterical it's now chasing down a haine like he's so I'm not oh I know who you're talking about yeah he's good he's good but just stick you as the Spanish like the lewiga stuff yeah amazing Yeah. Amazing. Absolute work of art painting. Yeah, yeah. That's the guy. I love him. So you're point about the past.

D though. You're right. 31st in turnovers this season. How many did they end the season with? I don't know. I just have the rankings up. 31st and passing yards allowed. 26 overall in defense. 17th and points, which kind of...

That's a very bad old game. Yeah, that's a typical village I think. Yeah. The bend on break. Yeah. So, yeah, it's not a great defense specifically in the secondary. Looks like they have 10 total interceptions on defense. Not great. Less than one of the game. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, this is not a good defense, but then again, you're starting literal street free agents.

And you're playing a decent offense. You're playing the seventh ranked offense. Yeah, with fifth in yards. So they're good offense. Yeah, they've been putting up yards on everybody. Like they've actually played some decent teams, I think. Yeah, did you get that stat that they had about their like last four games? Yeah, yeah, I'm here. So in their last four games, this is like right at the beginning of the first quarter when the Patriots scored first. They kicked the field goal. It was the first time they've been trailing in four games. In those four games, they've been leading 139 minutes. They've been tied for 49 minutes and they had not trailed at all. This is after getting their doors blown off by Miami

of all people to start the season. And then they just have just been like walking over people. Mike Shanahan, great coach and Lussys coaching for Dance Nighter, which is true of every coach in the world. Yeah, I don't know you can put that on any of the coaches. Yeah, I remember when we went through that, the list of coaches that were really good until they played under Snyder and then they were terrible. Yeah, I don't think any of them had a winning record, right?

Yeah, so even Joe Gibbs came back and now losing record is crazy. Was Shanahan the coach for RG3 at the beginning? Ooh, that's a good question. When he had the knee. Yeah. Right. Because I was a big stink. He didn't want to play in Shanahan made him.

And then basically held his career. And then he died. And then he died. And now he's back. We're in Jürgen's backwards on game day today, whatever. Oh, really? He's the worst. He's great on Twitter.

You should follow him, I mean, okay. I may actually in the top of the book. That's right. I mean, I follow you. Can you name some of the no name running backs from Broncos in this generation? No, Sean Marino. No, Sean Marino. We've got, we've got our boy in this game. Mike, we've been drones. We've been drones. There's a good one. That's someone that I, it's like, that's hilarious. Yeah, we've got a good name. I mean,

obviously, Taden Bell as well. Taden Bell's ding dong as Chris Berman said. Yeah, Marie's Claret. Bell's ding dong as Chris Burman said. Marie's Claret. I only guess you must play right? I have his job. Yes. You got to play four games or something like that. I don't even know if he played, but I was huge. I was big on him. I was like, yeah, he's gonna overcome all this and he's going to be a goat. I'm sensing a theme. I root for the bad guys. Yeah, no good. This is because you're the best. You misunderstood. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, so it's almost kind of the parallel to Brady's wide receivers, right? We're just this like list of no names who perform only when they're on the Patriots.

Yeah, Orlando scary. Oh, yeah, I don't know. Goodness. Yeah, it was a one-hit wonder. Yeah, Roy Hallue. Remember him vaguely. I don't remember him. He was in Washington.

Oh, that's right. That's why yeah. And then who else? Mike Bell. There was another bell. If you remember, yeah, I thought so, yeah. Who was the guy that got drafted in the sixth round by them? That's the end of doing pretty good on the red skin.

Was it a live in the middle? No, it was the one that made comparisons throughout the day with all of the fine. I don't remember. I don't remember. Statship. Yeah. Yeah. Let me anything. Statship. Yeah. Yeah. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let me do my draft though. Let players in history. So I found a list on NFL.com of, you know, supposedly the best, like

undrafted players ever. And you want to guess where they ranked Rod Smith? First out of 30 players, he was not first. Second, he was 15th. 15th. Right. Can we get you could probably generation give me a generation. This generation that we're currently playing. I believe so currently playing. Oh, no, I'm talking about like in the games we're watching now. Oh, in the early thousands. One of super poker.

No. He's on this list, but he's number 30. He's on offense. I'm going to be the position. Quarterback. An undrafted quarter. Oh, Kurt Warner. Correct.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's a bunch like old guys. Dick Knight train lane. Oh, yeah. M. Len Tunnel, apparently defensive back, another quarterback for the Houston Oilers Warren Moon, apparently was undrafted.

Wow, surprising. Willie Brown quarterback for the Raiders, well, he's starting for the Raiders, he's actually a Bronco originally. Willie Wood was a Packers cornerback back in the 60s. Another old player, another old player. Cliff Harris, a safety for the Cowboys. So nobody we've ever heard of. Yeah, basically. John Randall. The Vikings. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was a, another quarterback on this list, uh, that's a little, we drafted in two, oh, not drafted, but started in 2004. Four probals. How many math? Huh? How many math? No, another quarterback, but, uh, NFC, NFC quarterback, starting 2004.

Jeff Garcia. No, that's a good guess though. More famous. More famous than that. Famous for not performing well in the playoffs, especially when it comes to holding field glow attempts. Oh, Roman, Roman. Yeah. 13th was not drafted, apparently. Yeah, he picked over her blood flow. Yeah, he took over her blood flow. Antonio Gates on this list. He was not drafted. Undrafted. Undrafted. Yeah.

Well, that's because did you know, I don't know if you know this, but he played basketball in college. Oh, at the bomb. Estabon, Marinho. And then I think I'm going to have Alfred more. Oh, more. Yes.

Priest Holmes, undrafted Adam Venetary on the list of 21. Undrafted. King of Undrafted. Undrafted. Steve A

from South comes to the podcast. Well, Steven's here. Now we can be as your audio. I don't know. How is it? Test.

You don't have a microphone. I can see. Yep. I do have a microphone. We'll talk into it then. Is that any better? It's actually significantly better. But then now the microphone's blocking my beautiful face.

And you can't see me. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine That's not all like Tyrone pull over again Greg I had another thing forget off my lawn. What's that? The Denver Bronco the the crowd in Denver I'm not sure there's anything worse than when they do that incomplete chant You're in complete

After every opposing completion Yeah, is that a Denver thing? Bucking worse. I don't know if I've heard it. I mean, I'm sure that it happens in other places I don't remember hearing other places, at least in the NFL I feel that's like a common thing that's so good defense thing thing, you know, it's so bushly. It doesn't happen in New England. Just doing like the music or like the chance like the Miami Heat would do it where like they're playing defense and they're like the speaker system is going to defense. It's like, God, this is this

is the NBA like finals. And you guys are doing this bullshit. It's so embarrassing. You actually have to tell them what to, what to chant. Yeah, dude, it's ridiculous. But that whole incomplete like, incompletions happen. It's not like a, it's not like it's even a turnover and it's just like an incompletion. And they do it on every single one. That's good for another Patriots. First time. That shit is like, that shit is coming. That's like, that shit. Yeah, I don't like that at all.

I fucking love it, especially when you're in Buffalo and you're fucking shithead. Yeah, I was gonna say, you're yelling at all these like New Yorkers, it's the best. The far corn on third down though, that is lit. Yeah, the far corn sweet. Yeah. The AC DC is awesome too.

Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but the incomplete. That's what it was like. You got to act like you've been there before, you know? The Bruins. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, that one gets the people hyped. Oh, you're hyped up.

People go. That might be the best one. That might be the best pump up one, right? No, the crazy train intro for the Patriots is that. That's the best thing for me. No, it's good, but it doesn't get you pumped up as the... There's some great college ones. Those are probably the best.

Oh, probably. Yeah. Or a soccer. Well, soccer is best for content. If you're looking to make fun of somebody, that's definitely the way to go. Yeah. The whole out of it when it's like an overweight goalkeeper and they keep changing who eat all the pies.

Adam, every time he does a goal kick, that's one of my standards. He's big, he's fat, he's probably a twat referee. Yeah. It's fantastic. He's big, he's fat, He's probably a twat referee. They're very creative English with they are. Yeah, they're insults. All right, best of worst. Well, let me get a mic. Let me do my Pat Tillman's. We got two. I just got a lot of Steve. I think we're wrapping up.

That was hoping we were Steve, did you watch the game? Yes, of course, every minute, every second thoughts. Yes, what did you think of the second quarter? Yes. Okay. You missed like 40 minutes of any complaining basically. Soon. Yeah. I mean, I joined an hour in. So I'm assuming it's 60 minutes. Yeah.

So if you're already in the game, you can play every 20 minutes, then you start recording and playing for 20 more. If you if you want to watch this game, I would watch just the fourth quarter where the Patriots actually start to come back. And you can skip the second quarter because the Patriots got out gained 246 yards to 34. Well, the Patriots at Denver in 2005. Well, yeah, but it's a Jake Plummer run offense. And Denver had three plays of 50 plus yards. The Patriots didn't amount 50 yards in the quarter altogether. Like it was a absolute smothering.

Jake the snake. Yeah, the Patriots miss Nate. In the two get like the two games and you don't even got this people have probably already listened to all 115 yards and 34 points. The individual Pat Toman you want to hear Pat Toman? Yeah, yeah, let's go to the Pat Toman segment. That's we're going to Pat Toman Andy.

All right, we're going to talk about a guy that didn't play in this game. That's true, but he was good buddies with a guy that did play in this game. Oh, well, that that that makes a much better. Okay, let's do it. Pat Tillman, Arizona State guy, right? He was a seventh round draft pick in 1998. As a linebacker ends up moving to safety when he gets on the card and else. He's small, right? Turns into like a pretty legit player. Yeah. And by year 2000, he's like, he had like 155 tackles at season. From the safety position? Yeah, he didn't make the pro wall, which was a nasty. Yeah, but like some of the media people had him on their like, you know,

first team all proless, yadda yadda. But didn't make the pro balls. Gets offered a nine, a five year nine million dollar contract from St. Louis and turns it down out of loyalty to the Cardinals. Cardinals. Yeah, he was an Arizona guy. Yeah, what's he like born and raised Arizona? Yeah, I think he's I think he was born in California, but maybe raised in Arizona. Yeah, he was born in Premon California, but him and Zek went to college together. Yeah. And then obviously 2001, 9-11 happens. He finishes the season and turns down a three-year extension from the Cardinals in

Tellsum. Boys, I'm heading overseas. I'm doing it for the old US of A. Yeah. And everybody's like, dude, what the fuck don't do this? And he's like, I'm fucking doing it. That's cool. Everybody. And by all accounts, he's a pretty interesting guy. Like I heard an interview with Jake talking about him. And like he, he was not just like some grunt that's like, And like he, he was not just like some grunt that's like, fucking America, like he was very anti-war. Yeah.

But felt like a patriotic duty. You know, he was like, he was not religious, he was an atheist, but he'd read the Bible and the Quran and the Book of Mormon. And like very well read, didn't refuse to own a cell phone, drove an old beat up pickup truck. He's like an interesting cat, you know? Yeah, he's like, I'm an American.

Try Nixon, probably a good comparison, you know. So he goes over there, goes through basic training with his brother, him and his brother head over there, and they're in a valley, and basically gets killed in action. And what comes out like in the days after is like, the army is like, this guy's a fucking hero.

He died in like the enemy in a blaze of enemy fire and like their story. So they gave him a silver star, which is like, if you die from like in the line of duty from like enemy fire. Yeah. And the description they gave is like kind of ridiculous. I'll read some of it. His audacious leadership and courageous example under fire inspired his men to fight at great risk

to their own personal safety resulting in the enemies withdrawal his platoon safe passage and the ambush kill zone and his mortal wound. So they made this whole story about him like charging up a mountain and like firing and killing all the you know like the hero's story which all turned out to be complete bullshit bullshit. It's all completely false. Nate op. And basically it was like the higher ups in the military got together and we're like, we can't let people know that this was a friendly fire situation. So they made up a story.

His brother was on the battlefield. So his brother was there when he got killed. Like, didn't even know it till like the next was there when he got killed. Like didn't even know it till like the next day that he'd been killed. So they've lied to his brother, his, his wife, his now widowed wife, his mother and his father, they were like, yeah, yeah, you got killed by an enemy. And it took like a month and a half later until some of the other guys that were in the combat zone, like saw what happened, like basically leaked the information to, I think, some of his family.

Wow. And then his family came out and were like, dude, what the fuck? Right. And they basically did this big extensive like, oh, we're sorry, we're gonna investigate. No one got held accountable. And it took till 2007 until they had a report come out from the military that was like basically. Yeah, this was this was a friendly fire situation

They don't even know They didn't they came find proof that there was any enemy anywhere Oh my god, wow It was like two parts of a unit that got split up and Then one circle back and they the the first group was like, oh shit, there's bad guys and and the show open fire on them. Yeah. Oh my god. Greg, if Greg, if we were in Afghanistan, which of us is shooting Andy? Dude, so there's some rumors that

there might be more of the stories, Stevie. So way so much higher up than you, Steve. the story, Stevie. No way. So much higher up than you, Stevie. Yeah. So there's some, there's like a doctor that did the autopsy said that the like the bullets, there was like, they were in like a tight pattern that that doesn't isn't consistent with like firing from a long distance. Yeah. So he his, you know, conclusion was that he was shot from like 10 feet away. So they did this whole like, you know, pit on the news like a 60 minutes thing with this doctor talking about like, oh, conspiracy. Maybe it was like an inside job or something. And like, are they doing this just to prop up the military? Because that's when the war was like not going right, starting to drag on a little bit. We needed a key story. So there's like all this like weird stuff about it like that.

But yeah, the family's obviously wicket pest still pissed. Yeah, no kidding. The sister I saw in an interview, she's like, she's like, when I read the initial report, I was like, this sounds like a John Wayne thing. Like, she's like, this is no way this is true. So even their first lie before like anybody in the military actually like gave wind of it, he was like, she was like already onto them.

So. Are they upset that like the NFL commercialized the shit out of it too? That I didn't see anything on that, but I think that is a good point too, right? Cause I remember thinking that at the time I was like yeah pretty heavy handed with this like Heroes journey bullshit, you know, yeah, yeah

Great to eat that Greg. Thanks. I didn't know I didn't know how to that So that's on my list of you know like if you could have a conversation with someone Yeah, better lives. Yeah, dinner with somebody. He's, that's a pretty good one. Cause he's probably an interesting guy to begin with. Then you can be like, you know, what happened? Give me the details, dude. That's right.

I don't know. I was just dead. I like it. I don't know who shot me. It'll happen so fast. So yeah, that was in 2004. So this is like a year before where we are right now. So it's still pretty fresh.

And then that's why Plumber grows his hair out is because it's a tribute to the Tillman who had the long hair and then had to cut it for the when he went in the military. All right. You gotta appreciate that. Yeah, I was like, Jake Snake. Yeah, that's why I always stand Jake Plumber. Yeah, we're a big Jake Plumber pod here, Steve. We've come to that. I can see. I

didn't know that now. I already knew that and I already felt that way. Yeah. Andy has no strong feelings one way or another, which is about as good a major. Yeah, that's about as that's an endorsement from Andy for sure. So I did I did deep dive to I'm former. No, I'm told on on Bill Romanowski because they kept bringing up that his 60 minutes interview was going to be airing directly after the football game. And I remember him being a bit of a scumbag, but if you are at a computer right now, and you just like go to his Wikipedia page and just look at the picture that was chosen for him. All right, thanks. You got blown on his face?

No, he, it's like a normal picture, but like his eyes are just like, all their crazy eyes. They're dead. Yeah, there's like, there's no human behind that. Yeah, he's definitely, he's definitely the type of guy that likes like choked girls out for sure. It feels that way.

It looks that way. There's nothing in here about that. But he did have some altercations and accusation. That's like racism. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Because due to him doing things like kicking Larry centers in the head in 1995, spitting on 49ers receive a J.J. Stokes in 97, was you may remember? I remember.

Oh, yeah, that's the one I remember. And also, we're being called. And he's just helping him off in 2002. He also called Carolyn and Panther starting quarterback, Cam Newton Boy in a tweet after Newton's team lost in Super Bowl 50. How dare he. He later apologized after his accused of being racist. That wasn't the worst thing he's done. He actually ended somebody's career.

I think it was a teammate. He attacked an injured one of his teammates, tied in Marcus Williams during a scrimmage. Williams was forced to retire after Roman Ascii crushed his ice socket with a punch. Is, should've gone for the jaw. You can bounce back and win a fucking starting job with Seattle Seahawks if you do that. Yeah, it's exactly right.

Williams sued for damages of 3.4 million. Arguing that Roman Ascii had been suffering from Roy Rage when he attacked him. Williams was awarded $340,000 for a loss wages. Um, oh, did you see the picture of it? No, you guys face. No, I'm not cool and that's it. That's fun, gross.

I'm out on that. He's definitely got a collapsed eye socket. Uh, but yeah, so in this interview that was coming out in 2005, he was basically admitting to taking sterile andabolic steroids and synthetic testosterone treatment. That was the clear and the cream, if you remember, from Belko. So he admitted using steroids in HTH that you received from Victor Conte, the Belko owner. And that was in 2005, but it gets better.

He kind of leaves and doesn't don't think. In 2008, he was the defensive coordinator for his kids high school freshman football team. And then in 2009, when Mike Shanahan is being replaced as head coach of the Denver Broncos, he threw his name into the search by sending a 30 page PowerPoint presentation to team owner Pat Bolin, but he was according to this not considered for the job, and where is ultimately given to Josh McDaniels. We should get our hands on that. I would pay good money. Bill Rowanowski's 30 page PowerPoint for why he is

the top candidate for the Demo Broncos head coaching job with zero head coaching or zero coaching chops it all other than his son's freshman high school football team as a defensive coordinator. I mean, that's more than Jeff Saturday had. I don't know that he also lost to the, uh, the inmates in the longest yard remakes. He did. They're doing the wrong. The point, the point.

Another mark on. I mean, what was Albert Haynes worth excuse? I mean, at least, you know, Roman Auskis all roided out. Cause I put those two guys kind of together, you know, Roman Ausky was like pre Albert Haines worth. Haines is just like cold my beer, watch this. I'll stomp on his head after I take his helmet off. Here we did, but I was like, all he did though. And he put on his team. But there's another thing in the Wikipedia that says he was finding undisclosed amount

that's on the football of Brian Cox of the jet ball hitting him in the crotch area. So you think about it, there's three former patriots here. That's three former patriots, Larry Sanders, Jiggy Stokes, and Brian Cox. That's right. Yeah. One good thing. One good thing for Bill Romanowski. He broke Kerry Collins's job. So racism fighting racism. Yeah. There you go. But notice he didn't shout out. I suck it though. You're going to get a job. That one. Well, the helmet to helmet hit apparently. So in a preseason game, mind you, in a preseason game. Wait, what's the title was black Andy? His racist now. I didn't I didn't say one either way. I'm just not that man had to retire from football.

But he knew Kerry Collins was a racist and only broke his job. What's all I'm saying? Awesome. College. But yeah, this did lead me down a rabbit hole of, I found a ESPN article entitled Romanowski full of ideas for Broncos. And it starts Bill Romanowski said he had a meeting with New Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels to discuss nutrition. It goes on blah blah. He wanted to be the head coach, all this stuff. And then halfway down it says the Broncos vice president of public relations, until the ESPN on Thursday night, the Broncos vice president of public relations, told ESPN on Thursday night,

the Broncos had no knowledge of a meeting with the Roman Ascii. But the Roman Ascii figures he has a lot to offer the Broncos. Quote, I'm gonna profess my vision on how to better take care of the athletes Roman Ascii said Thursday. He wants to be a coach someday, he even tried to convince the 30 point PowerPoint. But if a coaching spot isn't available on McDaniel's staff,

Romanowski wouldn't mind being the Bronco's performance coordinator overlooking the team's fitness and health. He's currently the president and CEO of a nutrition company called Nutrition53.com. So this man who years before had gone on 60 minutes and like wrote a book about, yeah, I took all sorts of steroids to make me better football was to come in and be the health coordinator

for your team and hamper. Yeah, come on, and of course, that's a natural fit. You know, it's how to dodge the drug test. You know, it's all the fucking ins and outs. You know, they should step up. You did, but it would be a fit if he didn't admit to all of that the Dodge the drug test, he knows all the fucking ins and outs, he knows what the shit stuff about. He did, but it would be a fit if he didn't admit to all of that on national television in the 60 minutes. It's a street cred.

Are you kidding me? No. You can't because now, because now the guys that would be after you know, you've emissed this. All right, he's going to do this. So you can't hire him. I would love to be a fly on the wall if If that meeting between McDaniel and Romanowski took place, we'll think of think of little Josh McAinth and Bill Romanowski like,

Hey, bud, I'm going to come in here and I'm going to bring the performance of these players. Performance is just a passion. It's a way of life. It's on their website for nutrition 53. Is it even a website? I went to it and it was like a completely different brand. Now, it's a picture of Bill really? Well, yeah, it says lean one. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Oh, so you must have rebranded the name. Yeah. What you have breaking news, guys, breaking news just now. New Raider is defensive coordinator. Bill Romanovsky. No, he's, he's the help in his conditioning coach. Yeah. Yeah. Looks like I was with Richie in Cognito. Yeah.

Oh, that would be a legendary staff. Oh, my God. Those two. That episode, Greg read all of those texts. Yeah. I saw. Yeah. That was a good.

What was the quote, Greg? The Wolf pussy. Yeah. Your sister has a hair and Wolf pussy. Yeah. Yeah. It's very dick.

It's where I know the use on like that. Yeah. It's very dick goes. Where's the water bottle? Oh, yeah. I got one last trivia for you. Before we do best and worst. So they had a game break. They cut to the the Jets game because Vinny Tessa Verdi scored on a quarterback sneak. And I think at the time, he was the hardest player to have a rushing touchdown. It has since been broken a couple of times. And I found a list of like the rushing touchdowns and the person's age at that point.

There are four players ahead of Vinnie Tessa Verde who was 41 years, 337 days old when he scored that touchdown in this week. And then he scored another one a couple weeks later. Actually, I think it was a week after. So he was 41 and 345 days old. There are one, So he was 41 and 345 days old. There are one, two, three players ahead of him that scored a rushing touchdown older. Can you name them? I'm ready. Well, I'm gonna say obvious one, yeah.

Drew Breeze, Payne Manning. No. Frank Gore. No, that's a good guess though. Yes, yes. I don't think Frank has a 40't think 40. What positions they play? One is a quarterback. One is a wide receiver. For loans. No. Jerry right. Jerry Rice. His oldest touchdown was when he was on Seattle in 2004, he had a rushing

touchdown 42 years and 67 days old. He also had one a week before that too. Why he's doing rushing touchdowns, I'm not sure. I wanted to say Warren Moon, but that's got to be before many tests already. It was not Warren Moon. This person has played for the Patriots. This person is currently on the Patriots in 2005. It's not flutty. It is Doug flutty. Okay. All right. You can say that. Yeah. When you play for San Diego in 2005, this season actually, right, the end 42 years old and 71 days. Yeah, pushing touchdown because of course you did. All the way to the last guy to get a drop kick. Correct. And then it literally lists off like all the touchdowns. And so Tom Brady is one, two, three, four, five, six, first through seventh.

And Doug Flute is eighth, and then Tom Brady is ninth. And then Jerry Reissue is Tom Brady again. Tom and A. And they be, yeah. Drew Breeze is right behind me, Tessa Verde. 41 days, 284. For 41 years, 284 days. So Tom Brady's warm wound is on this list eventually,

along with Zeke Brad Kowski and Ben Rothisberger, Brett Farff, Charlie Joyner. Oh, Charlie's wire to see it right on the rim. Okay. Anyway, the 80 air rush is on this list too. Way down. So yeah, Tom Brady as a Tampa Bay book in here, all the top seven spots for old fishing. Aaron Rogers gets on the list higher, but also like pulls a Carson Wentz as he scores a touchdown. Jesus. That's excited. Are you Steve for Aaron Rogers and on the jets?

Do you know what I'm excited. Are you Steve for Aaron Rodgers and on the jets? Good. What if he does well, though? Yeah, we will. I can feel starting a lot of time. Yeah, he's going to do well for a little bit, but then then then is the Kyry Irving of NFL and the jets. They're just the only thing they're good at is ruining players' careers. Yeah, they're very good at that. It is going to be funny to watch.

You're elite at that. And their hopes are so high. That's the best part. The Jets fans' hopes are just like, so high. They're like, yo, super ball. They're super ball or bust, yeah. Pat's are going to win the division. Yeah, I really think of it.

Yeah, Aaron Rodgers is going to fall apart, to what can't play because it is his head. And if you heard the rumor about Josh Allen, you heard the little streets talking, little whispers. I haven't. I haven't. Yeah. What happened with Stephanie?

Break the story. He's apparently word on the street is that he got some girl pregnant and then like forced through to get an abortion who like wasn't his girlfriend. He only had like a long time girlfriend. Yep. Wow. Yeah, because there was a whole bunch of stories about like that's what Stefan Diggs was yelling at him about

on the sideline in the playoff game or something. Like no, it's because they were losing, but okay. Streets of talk and whisper whisper. No one say that about my Joe show up the camp of like stuff on Diggs is a no show They know you're showing up, but yeah, there was a bunch of weird shit around that too of like You just sign an extension and he's like not there and the coach said he wasn't but his agent said he was Yeah, the coach came out basically you can't you said something today about

Yeah, the coach came out basically you can't you said something today about You know he was here, but we talked and I like had him go home to yeah, we had to like sort some things out or something Yeah, it was like super cryptic. Yeah, so Wait, what if it was Stefan digs is girlfriend that he got pregnant or is like sister or something? Yeah Check my nephew away. It's not a combat or situation on our hands. Oh, boy, here we go. All right. Do we want to try our below draft thing?

Or do you do better more? I'm sure you're sure. Yeah, let's do it. I'm down. I got some names. All right. Well, yeah? Yeah, let's do it. I'm down. I got some names. All right. Well, how do we decide who drafts first? I briefly.

I think that's up to you. You're the other one running this going on. Uh, who's the youngest? Me Greg. All right. Steve goes first. Middle child goes first. Wow. All right. So.

So the way that it works, Greg doesn't want, if you draft someone that's not in the league or not playing, you just kind of get a zero for that person. But go off my memory for the entire league in 2005. So you have you have quarterback running back to ride receivers, a tight end defense and kicker. I don't know any of this. Well, you got to take some guesses, Steve. And if you want, you can go, Patriot players, you know, yeah, you can help round that out.

I'm going to go and then we're doing like season stats, like how is this where is the week? So this is, yeah, we're going to gonna do for this week week six of 2005. All right, number one pick Mike Fick. Okay. Uh, see we're gonna go. I don't know because I was on last week Greg unlike you. So I know you.

All right, I'll go next. I'm taking B-manning. Andrew? I'm going to take a Lydany and Talonson. I had on my list. You got two though, right? Snake Trap? Two. Yeah. Who did you pick?

Oh, no, no. It's not Snake Trap. Pay man. I'm going to pick. Let's say, let's go with Ben Rothisberger. All right, I'm going to go. This might be a stretch. I don't know if this is his year. And there's only really like one or two good years. So I'm gonna go Sean Alexander. I know Seattle made this Super Bowl. And I'm just guessing and hoping that this is the Sean Alexander year, but I don't know if it is.

If he's in the Super Bowl is here. Yeah. Because of the stealier than the sea hoax. Yeah. All right, Steve, a boy. I'm gonna go Marvin Harrison. Oh, that's a good one. It's all a pick. quarterback. I don't even remember who I've been. I got I got Tom Brady. I sure. Yeah, that's a good go. All right, I'm gonna go to

reloins because I think you can't go wrong with trelloins. Interesting. So reloans because I think he can't go wrong with trelloans. Interesting. Oh, I know. I'm gonna go Steve Smith as my wide receiver. That's a good pick and Antonio Gates as my tight end. I don't know if you guys know. I'm gonna pick up Gonzalo as well. I can. I don't know if you guys know, but Gates, he played basketball in college. So he was like to catch. Can we have like, can we, can you pull up like a little so we know who's been picked and what and how many Steve come on, Jay, just use your brain. Can I, can I share my, yeah, just share your screen.

What's the table participation screen? Who's up? Greg, you're out. I picked Gonzalez from my title. Yeah. You're up to me. You can share now. Well, I mean, big time running backs 2005. Running backs are the hardest ones because they're big Google, it's you because it's like they come and go so I can't know if he is kicking around these days. Throw him in there. All right. Anyone more? Another big time wide receiver. So we got what? I'm going to be on, I'm going to be on branch because he gets traded for a first

wrong pick after this year. So he's let this year. So I'm, um, Randy Moss is on my mind here. But I'm thinking this is a down here for Randy, right? I think it's a great, really. Anything right there isn't about, he's hit or met that I think that's here. Right.

But I even think it's down here's run that bad. But I think Reggie Wayne is probably a safer choice. Assuming Reggie Wayne is probably a safer choice. Assuming Reggie Wayne is here. He is here at this point. Yeah, so I'm gonna go Reggie. Okay. Yeah. All right, let's go Andrew.

All right, I'm going to go with, I'm actually gonna take ready Moss. I think you are? Yeah, I feel like when we talked about him week one, he actually held decent season this year. I think we talked about in week one, you actually had a decent season this year. I think we talked about this Broncos defense being good, so I'm going to take them. I'm taking our boy Mike Vanderjack, the ultimate fantasy player that actually sucks deck. You still have Vanderjerk wrong.

There you go. Um, that is Dallas Park playing yet. I would Steve to question Steve. I throw him in. I, yeah, I think that's really good.

I go stealers. I got a cards falling off. I don't know. I'll go stealers. They got a bit good D. That's true. All right. I'm taking I have no idea who's going to be Vince. I'm taking the Ravens because it's Ray though. So they have to be good, right? Yeah, pretty much. Ed Reid. Ed Reid, yeah. I can't be. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Let's do Jason Elin because it's Broncos. No, but it's there. You only got you only got you. We've been a Terry on board. No, I got in a Terry giving. In a Terry. Okay.

All right. I'm going to say I should have taken that punter from the other week. With the spell in Tim. Yeah, dude. It's not great. I knew I was like, I was let's see if he gets a military here All right, why don't you guys do Beth and worse and I will We should do it as a season long the same team yeah So just got that that those picks run for the season. Yeah. Okay. Oh, like you keep those. Oh, okay.

All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, he does. Okay. Half the season is like 10 games. I think it was 2000. He played this week. So it was 2004. That was like his best year.

But I think he still does good. And two. All right. All right. We should have picked. And now he's probably got a ton of Russian. He's on.

Oh, no, no. But this is a who was oh six cover for Madam. I think I might be Sean. I was there. Maybe it's paid in Hillest. Oh, think it might be Sean Alexander. Maybe. Is Peyton Hillis? Oh, was it Peyton Hillis? Oh, no, Peyton Hillis was on until a couple of years later. I like 2000.

That's the ultimate risky pick right there. Oh, yeah. The true one and done. Yeah. All right, let's do best and worse. Greg, go first. Oh, see, if you go first. I'm I'll go first. Oh, see if you go first. I'm going to go first. No, I want to go first.

All right, fine. My best is not having to listen to Andy this full time. That's been really nice, you know, because right about now I begin sick of his ass. That's my worst is having to listen to Andy this whole time. I'm not worse, you know. This has been great. Thanks guys. All right, my best. I got a real best.

My worst is having brothers. Oh, yes. My best is the hit by what's his name? Sante Samuel Samuel. A true jacked out here. It was, yeah. Yeah, one of those like blind side Yeah, it's running looking the other way any Caught turns into it wearing the chest and he's like on the sidelines. It's like shine a lighten his eye How did the commentators react to the hit? Oh

Clean yeah, like all the clean. They love it. Does that get a flag nowadays? For sure. Definitely. Defense is really receiver. Yeah. It's just like you can, you can see the, you had the ball and he turned. You can see the commentary change over the years

when we're watching the screens were like, way back when we first started, they were like, Oh, yeah. Yeah. And now they're like, oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I got for us. Let's see. What do I have for you? Um, oh, uh, they showed a step where David Gibbons had 22 consecutive third down catches that were comparative first dance. I think they said that was a record. That was pretty dope. And then I think if I'm given out a game ball, it's going to

Patrick pass because he got thrown into the starting lineup, was dealing with injuries the whole day. And he got injured. I think he introduced shoulder picking up a blitz that sparked a touchdown drive. We had 10 caries, 64 yards, and touchdown on their ground, and six caries, six catches for eight, nine yards through the air. I'm basically nothing but screen passes. Best pullback ever. Yeah, it's amazing.

He was starting running back, but cool. And this has a pullback on the depth chart. That's all I'm saying. Just speaking of which, it's now NHL season for like, when the injuries come out now that seasons over. Oh yeah, here by the guy Kachak on the Panthers. No, has been playing with a broken sternum. Oh, Jesus.

It's seretic, you know, Steve. Oh, my worst is the quality of some of these old game videos. If you actually watch this whole game, there were a few times, including the long Tatum Bell run, where the game actually just cut out, because the signal was lost on, I think it was the satellite. So first game you can record it from. So there's just like a black screen with this, Texas came and says, no signal received on local channel 32-1. Please try again later.

And then we'll come back. So we need a couple of points. Because of that. So that's tough. Aaron, Aaron, Eckblad from the Panthers. Suffered a broken foot, two separate shoulder dislocations and a torrent oblique and finished the whole playoffs. He scored a goal in game five. What a psycho path, dude. Nothing.

Another top side of bourgeois collapse alone. Play the last long playing. Well, who is the guy that did a shift on a broken gamble? Yeah. Yeah, a gamble. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm, didn't need to block another shot or something while doing it too. Yeah, you stayed on the ice and tried to finish the shifts.

Fucking idiots, but I love it. Remember when I got 14 stitches and I finished the game and hockey, you didn't even know you got cut. That's true, but in that, the fact remains that I got 14 stitches and I finished the game and hockey. No, you didn't even know you got cut That's true, but if that's the fact remains that I got cut in like the first period and I finished the game They were saying hockey played hockey top Toughness is that that's how the dollar buddy Greg dude. I'm hockey tough. You guys don't even know oh We know we know all about a great But the stitches came after the game, correct?

Correct. Yeah. I was like, you see what I put in the chat on the way? Huh? You see what I put in the chat? I sniffed a little bit of Patrick Pass with Kapedia. Yeah, I ignored it. I had to see Patrick pass corn, but I didn't share it. All right. Tim, you want to do better? Some worse. My best was not of it. And then the Dwayne's dark sightings. Dwayne's dark sighting. You didn't do anything.

It's a sock. Yeah. No, my best, my best actually actually know. My best was taking a nap in the second quarter when I watched That was cool because that was like the worst quarter for us Yeah, and then my worst was probably Bill Sims or

Jarvis Green on that last drive like he got juke the fuck out by, I think it was Jeb, Jeb Putzer. And yeah, it was just like, dude, what are you doing? Like he just was so, yeah, dude, it was just so bad. Like and that's kind of what fucked us over. Oh, and I have another worse, which was David Gibbons not catching that third down pass. Wide open, nobody around him and then

Phil Simms is like, oh, Braves got to do a better job again that ball pull man. So I just wanted to clean my hands in straight. I want to create a Phil Simms face when he fucking said that. I was so pissed. Oh, I was so mad. Yeah. I'm better with worse than best. Welcome to the dark side. Yeah. If you feel like you're too much chavadandy, you've been sort of way too much chavadandy. He's best at all doses. You have to understand, I've been like this. This is why me and we can't, you're like twin flames, you know, we just, we just lost out. You can't, you can't be around that though. You guys feed each other is bad bad news there.

There's a whole park tunnel thing coming from you Steve. I am positive. I'm a positive guy. Look at you. I have two on my body. He is too. You're a little too positive for me, Steve. See? I balanced it out though. Yeah. That is definitely not true. Yeah, when during the Celtics, I kept texting Steve and being like, this team fucking sucks dick. Do you get Marcus smart off my fucking rosters? Steve would be like, well, he's not usually this bad. I'm like, shut the fuck up, Steve. He's not called him a roller coaster. You know, you gotta run it up in the

downs. And then in that same game, he would fucking win the game for us. I know. Yeah. And then I'd send a text like five minutes later. I'm back. I love Marcus smart. Never doubt him for a second. I'm sorry. The Marcus smart. Hey, he's the worst. He did. All right. Well, no, what do we have next week? Patriots. We have a lot of him. I hope we have a Dan Dero theme. We need a dear door. Yeah, this could be dear to it. It's a Patriots at home against the bills. Oh, that's screams for right. One o'clock Sunday. Yeah, no eight o'clock game. So yeah, this is Sunday night game. I think damn it. You're not your S. Oh well So you'll have to wait till next time together you're dandy it or fix. Thank God

But yeah, we will until next time If my brother's actually decided to show up We will see you later Turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg you on the page where it's down in the park out.