Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2006 Week 3: Patriots vs Broncos

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

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We do mean every game, the good, the best. and the ugly. And so I guess that's a great segue because we have all of those here with me today. Steve Brown, I don't know if you're the bad or the ugly, which won't you prepare? Oh, I am definitely the bad. Okay. All right, so bad Steve Brown is with us and also ugly, I guess that leaves you, Greg Brown. Nice to see you again. I'm fine with ugly. I can live with that.

Remember daddy to call us Tweedled dumb and Tweedle Dumber, and we'd argue about who is dumber? I do remember that. still think you're dumber. No, no way. You're definitely dumber. Andy? Is this a dick measuring contest?

No. It's kind of the opposite. Andy, who's dumber? Oh, God. It depends on the situation, but both of you, I think, have a fair claim to being dumber. I mean, we're both dumb, and it's why it's dumb and dumber, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't think either of you're climbing out of that mud hole. we'll just be a couple of crabs in the bucket in the dumb bucket yeah maybe we'll just keep track throughout this podcast all right you can give out points for dumb takes okay an extra points for dumber takes yeah

Steve what's your take on Josh Allen he's no Ryan Tannahill I love it all right so where are we this week boys we are 2006 the forgotten season as we're calling it because nobody remembers 2006.

Greg, do you remember 2006? Because you remember pretty much all these games kind of off the top of your head so far. Probably not. I mean, I think this is the is this the Chargers playoff game? Yes, that is the only game that anybody remembers that one and then the game

after that, the AFC championship. The Rishay Colts. Yep. The flu game. Yeah. I don't remember anything in between me, though. No. I do remember, we can chalk this up at the point for you.

After this season, you and I had a disagreement about which wide receiver would still be playing on this team. You said Rishay Caldwell will definitely come back, and I was on the Jabar. Daphne train, which goes to show you where this team was in terms of receiving talent in 2006. I thought they got hated on too much. Because he didn't watch this game. They're not good. There's been quite a few drops already. You may remember Doug Gabriel and his brief stint with the Patriots.

I know he did catch a touchdown in this game, and it was actually a legit catch. and all I remember from this season and Doug Gabriel is, I think I said it last week, he showed up, he made some catches, and all of a sudden he just wasn't there anymore, and there was no talk about him or where he went or why he went, or he just disappeared.

And then I think Jabbar Gabbany shows up kind of halfway through the season and kind of takes over that spot quietly. But something happens to Doug Gabriel somewhere in the middle of that season. And never plays again. Yeah. Lost favor with the Patriots

and just disappeared. even after being created for. He's never, like, never plays again in the NFL. Right. Interesting. Just all done yet. So I'm not sure what that was about. But this week three game is hosting the Denver Broncos, the same one that ended your season the year before in the playoffs.

Revenge game. Hending Tom Brady's first ever playoff loss. Yes, in theory, is a revenge game except the Patriots loss. At home. At home. A rare home loss that you'd see. Although, this was against a Mike Shanahan team, which is a team that the Patriots have kind of historically struggled against. Mike, they're only four and five against Mike Shanahan-led teams, which not many head coaches, I think, have a winning record against Ballethechick on the Patriots.

So, one of the few. I think they're only one. Unless they're like one and now. Yeah, I think there's a few out there that are like one and two or two and three. But I think, oh, yeah, we'll have to look that up. aren't winning records, Andy. That sounds like a point for... Maybe you're...

No, the Patriots are that record against those coaches, Steve. Keep up. Point for Stephen. So you just got to keep your mouth shut. That's how you win this contest. Steve, tell you about these dumb of Broncos. Namely not a strong suit of mind keeping my mouth shut. Yeah, fair.

They're like... Now that I'm like a ball knower, you know, which I wasn't in 2000 or 2006. But you are now? I am now, yeah, obviously. I watch a lot of YouTube film breakdowns. I don't want to do that anymore. Being JT.L. Sullivan, we're boys.

We talk on DMs and stuff. Oh, I bet you do. Mm-hmm. But that stretch zone is unique. What's unique about it, Steve? Well, they like, I mean, I just didn't realize it back then. I don't think you see anyone else running that, especially back in

2006. Now a lot of teams run it. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I think the Shanahan teams were the first ones really run it consistently. Yeah. I think the Colts were too. Right, right? Didn't they run the zone stretch and then the play action off of that? It's kind of their bread and butter

with Peyton Manning. I don't think so. I don't know. We'll find out now that I'm a ball knower. So why are you a ball knower now? What, what did? YouTube. Okay, so you're watching a lot of all 22?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Me too. I'm addicted to Drake May all 22s. Oh, yeah. It's fucking Patriots born. Yeah. That and miced up Patriots.

That's like, it's either end of the spectrum, but they're both beautiful. Uh-huh. But yeah, like, you see it now all the time. I think this is probably the only team that runs it. as far as I've seen. Yeah. Yeah, I do think they were at the forefront of running that stretch. Like they had a...

It was also a John Madden game, which, fuck yeah. Oh, beautiful. I don't know how many more of those will get, but I appreciate every single one of them. Yeah, I think he's on his way to retirement in 2006. Gotta be close, yeah. But they had a whole graphic about how the Broncos had the lightest offensive line in the league.

And then, like, Madden's breaking down the whole stretch runs and boots off of it and all that sort of stuff. And it was actually just made you love John Madden even more because he's now really breaking it down. He's the original ball knower. He is original baller. I don't know. Yeah, he's old on Belichick. So, yeah, he probably is. Because he's, uh, let's see.

How long did he do? Oh, he would go to 2008. So 2006 is the first year he went to NBC Sports. So you got a couple more years with him. Ah, good. Yeah. Yeah. Jake the Snake Plummer quarterback.

Yeah. Their offense kind of sucked, though. Their offense is bad. I mean, just generally, their offense was 17th and points, 21st, and yards overall. But this defense is an absolute fucking monster, at least especially early in the season. Yeah. Yeah. They finished top 10 in points and 14th in yards.

But didn't they, because the Patriots. scored late in this game. They scored on the fourth quarter. Yeah, well, Doug Gabriel. Nice touchdown, yeah. Exactly, yeah. But that was the first touchdown in the Colts, the Broncos head let up this season.

That it's fourth quarter of week three. Yeah, and it was kind of garbage time, too. They're already up 17, nothing. Yeah. It was the first, they began, the first team since 1942 Chicago Cardinals to begin their season with 11 straight quarters without allowing their points to score a touchdown,

which is fucking wild. And the Chicago Cardinals went like three and 12. Did they? Yeah. Amazing. And then John Madden was like, well, the Broncos don't repeat that. Where did they end up at the year at?

I'm glad you asked, Steve. They finished third in the AAC West at 9 and 7. It did not qualify for the playoffs. Jeez. Based on this game, you think they'd be loving people up? You would think. But do you want to hear their previous two games? Sure.

So they started the season off, oh, wrong way, losing to the Rams 18 to 10 without giving up a touchdown. So one, two, three, four, five, six field goals

by Jeff Wilkins in the win. And then they beat the Kansas City Chiefs in a game where no touchdowns will score by either team. They won six to nine in overtime. Jason E-Lam, 39-yard field goal in overtime. And then this game was 17 to 7.

That was there. Their big coming out, the offensive coming out. Then the week after they would score it on the 13 points to meet the Ravens. And hold them without a touchdown, 13 to 3. So they draft a quarterback in the first round. Yeah. Don't start them. Yep.

All year? Don't score a touchdown until week three. Yep. Did they make the switch at some point in year? They do because let's see,

I don't know when, but both quarterbacks have stats on their thing. So Jay Cutler. He played five games. Yeah, he started five games and went two and three. Jake Plummer went seven and four

but had 11 touchdowns and 13 picks. Two of them against us. Yeah, under 2,000 yards. Jake Collar had nine touchdowns and five picks in all so many losses. Jake the snake's stat line, 15 for 30, 2.56, and he had that

83-yard bomb. Right. Not even a bomb. It was like a whole there's a cover two whole shot. He did a honey put. Yeah. But he, I mean, he seemed to be playing better than that, honestly. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. He wasn't the problem. No, but I mean, the Patriots offense seemed to be the problem. Well, they run specifically, right? Well, they run for 50 total yards. Yeah, they were, yeah. Well, just seeing what the Broncos defense was still overwhelming. Yeah.

I mean, Brady had 320 passing yards on 55 attempts, though. Yeah. Just like they just could not run the ball. And there was no one open every single one. They were like tight to them except for Troy Brown. Yeah. That tracks. The one run, oh, it wasn't a run, actually.

It's a screenplay, but I still think Lawrence Moroney is a better running back than I remember. He looks dangerous with the ball, which I do not remember at all. Yeah, he was pretty good. Isn't he your boy, Greg? We were talking about this the other week.

Lawrence Moroney. Isn't that your boy? No. I mean, I feel like he was harshly judged. I remember thinking that at the time. It doesn't he have some sort of like playoff scoring record or something for the Patriots in the 07 season,

just because he was their running back? I do not know the answer to that. I thought it was you that kept bringing it up. No. Maybe you're thinking to Sonny, Michelle. I don't think so. Similar careers? Yeah, I would say so, right?

Both first round running backs, neither of them lasted the team beyond their first contract. Yeah. I don't know. That was not like he had the most touchdown scored to playoff runners. I mean, something weird like that. I thought it was more runy.

I never ran for 1,000 yards. No. 2007 was the best season, and you gain 835 total yards on the ground. Not great. But then again, the Patriots leading all-time yards, all-purpose yards guy, was a running back who never had 100-yard rushing game. So, you know. Can we hear some names from the Broncos defense that I remember?

Yes. Champ Bailey. I don't know. Can you name any more, Greg? John Lynch. Yeah, he played for the Patriots. John Lynch is on this team? Uh-huh.

Wow. I'm trying to think. There's some big, is there a big nose tackle guy that was on this team? No, they kind of play like, not a big fat guy like Vince Will Fork, yeah. All right, let's hear some names. Ebenezer Ecubon? Yes. Mm-hmm.

DJ Williams. Ian Gold. Al Wilson. Al Wilson. Yeah, they had good linebackers. Dominique Foxworth. Dominique Foxworth. Al Wilson.

I already said that. Gerard Warren. Gerard Warren. Michael Myers from Halloween. Happy Halloween to those who celebrate. Felice De Los Mueros to our Amigo listeners. I don't think that's the same holiday, Greg. It is.

No, it's not. well it's like on the same like part of this calendar i don't think so yeah it is dude my co-workers in mexico city right now for dia delos muratos okay yeah it is around this time it's like different functionally and how they celebrate and shit but yeah i think it's like how old age just around the same time uh another dumb point for steve put it on the fucking mic for you think you about come on dude that's an obvious one yeah that was pretty yeah that was yeah I just instantly think anything you say is wrong. Exactly.

That's why you're dumb. Am I, though? Am I, or is that kind of a smart way to approach these things? I'll give you a point each for that. Oh, there we go. It's 2-1. I think there's more points have been given out than that, Steve. Look, I'm not into counting.

Oh, yeah, Lawrence Porni's stat line. 12 carries 18 yards. Long on five. So was it just that, the Denver defense is that good or is the Patriots just struggling around the ball? I think of Denver defense is that good. I think it has to you, maybe. Yeah.

Because the Patriots have actually run the ball well. So they were just loading up the box and then they couldn't run it. And then Champaily was locked down one side of the field and then you're kind of cooked. I got a question. How do we throw for 320 yards with no interceptions or fumbles? and still only score seven. No sacks. How is that?

What happened? Dude, the leading receiver is Doug Gabriel with 65 yards. Yeah, but he's got 320 yards. What, did they just have like 50-yard driving punt every time? Yeah, pretty much. I get one or two first downs and then stall out. Yeah, Greg May would never.

Yeah. Our efficiency king. You want this, Greg? You want the drive shot here? the yards per attempt what's the EPA per drop back yeah

average air yards per attempt a over a a y plus minus dude we should be a stats pod from here on out Steve

a couple of balling that we uh Greg gets a point for that because you definitely fucking shouldn't be nothing dumb I didn't even say anything dumb

yes that's pretty dumb we should be a stats I think we should add Andy to this tracking. He might be... Go ahead, Andy, say something. Dumbest. You want the Pages Drive track, Greg?

Yeah. You want some stats? Here's some stats for you. 14 yards punt, 41 yards punt, 45 yards downs, turn around down, 60 yards, block, field goal, 13 yards, end of a half. Second half, minus four yards punt, 30 yards, punt, four yards punt, 17 yards, punt,

80 yard touchdown, followed by zero yards punch, followed by six yards, and then turnover on downs. So the answer is two turnovers on downs and a block field goal. Yep. There's 160 of those yards.

Yep. Okay. All right, I can live with that. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is, right? As long as they're not punting from the 40, that, that, looking back on these games, all the coaches are such pussies.

It's fucking incredible. There's one in this one from the Broncos. What's the metric they have for that? The surrender index. Yeah. They punted from the 34-yard line. Oh, my. Passing a 51-yard field goal from Jason Elam.

51-yard. Imagine someone passing on a 51-yard field goal in the modern NFL. Yeah, that doesn't happen. 61 you're still thinking about they punted it to the 17 yard line they didn't even get it like yeah you don't need a

fucking statistics degree to figure that that then wasn't worth it yeah no that's yeah and then the pages get a fourth and one you know they're trailing from the 36 and they're like oh should they go for it and like this

this in age is like yeah of course like from real 36 down what 14 17 yeah I don't know what We're only down 10 nothing at that point. So, yeah. But it's harder to go over when it's just, yeah.

That's incredible. It was a fourth and seven, too. It's not like it was like fourth and 20. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Put that high on the surrender index. Yeah, yeah, that's up there. Top 25 for sure, all time.

It is wild how it's changed. And even now, like, everyone's kicking field goals from way downtown, right? Right. They've changed those kicking ball rules so they can work the balls before the games now. Yeah. And they're just blasting them. I think it's made it way better. Don't you?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I love seeing bombs. Yeah. More points. More fun. Yeah. It's like home runs.

Like, fuck it. Yeah. Dude, juice them balls, baby. Dude, that guy in Dallas. That's just... Kick him from 70. I don't give a fuck. Dude, shout out Borogales, too.

Borogalus, right? Underrated aspect of this Patriots team. This is Gostowski's rookie year. Yeah. And Madden and Al Michaels are like, Well, his name is really hard to say that first K is silent. Like, this is a tough one. And it's like, yeah, I guess it was when he first came out, but eventually everyone just knew it, you know?

Yeah, I can get there for so fucking long. Yeah, yeah. Wait, why is it hard to pronounce? Has the second, it has a K in it, has two Ks in it. And a silent K is first. It's Goshtowski, but there's a K in between the S and the T. Is that actually true? Greg's not.

His last name is G-O-S-T. K-O-W-S-K-K-I. Gost Kowski. It's actually pronounced super phonetically. No, there's not Kowsky. It's Gost-Towski. Dostowski. Gostowski.

All right. Well, you said the K was in between the S and the T, so put it on the board. Greg's just hot now. I'm just not going to say anything except for challenges to Steve Stevens. Shocking. boy. Yeah, Gustowski instead of

Guskowski, probably, right? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. We'll go with that. All right. Anything else from the game, Steve?

Because I think it's the point that Greg and I did not watch it. Wow. So you're saying it's I'm the only one who watched the game. I'm saying you're the one

that's unemployed. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jealous? Um, a little bit. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. Over under on this game? 38 and a half. Do you hit the under? Yes. Just.

The field looks like shit again. And on that block field goal, Madden, being a G, he's like, I think his plant foot slipped. And so they slowed it down and showed the replay. And sure enough, it's a pretty close field goal. And it's like in the crappiest part of the field, and you see his plant foot, it just like slides forward two inches. That's all it takes.

And so he gets a super low kick. Damn right. It's all the takes to get it blocked. But when we talked to Matt Chatham last time, he was talking about how this is the last season of them having this turf. Yeah. They replace them in the buy week, he said. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So pretty soon, I think, right? Got to be coming up. Yeah, because he was, Greg, he was on that, Jets team. This is the year that he moved over with the man genius. Yeah. Oh yeah, they haven't really by week in week six. And so he's talking about how we remembers this is the season they swapped over from the grass to turf because when they come back when the jets come back to New England, it's turf again. What didn't help was the Patriots were like down big on that month.

touchdown drive at the end and garbage time. And like they were just running the Broncos defense and there's a Broncos like head rusher just pukes on the field so then they like close up at a bunch.

They're all. They're just a clear out. Imagine having to set up right where that guy just throw up now because like that's what the left tackle has to set up. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Not the two points out. They like showed it like just the yak it on the field. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm surprised

didn't reference the Super Bowl against the Eagles. Right, yeah. Is that Ebenezer Ecobond? Chuck in chunks? I don't know. It was some guy didn't even know. Oh, it was a backup guy, huh? Uh-huh.

Jesus. And there's some you can do a little stat checking, right? Because I know you love Googling. There was a personal foul on like a pun return. Like the guy just like Fair caught it. And there was like some dude got hit away from the play. and John Madden said, oh, that's the old Chad Clifton rule. Chad was probably an old, like,

famous NFL play from back in the day of someone just getting absolutely blown up, blindsided on a punt block, not seeing it coming. They had to make a rule saying you can't do that anymore. Ah, yeah, against Warren Sapp was only committed that, believe it or not. Really? So it wasn't a long ago. He was a second round pick for the Packers back in 2000 drafts.

same as Brady, took over a starting left tackle position after through his rookie season. Since 2002 season seemed as promising as his first two. However, on November 24th, he suffered a severe pelvic injury after receiving a blindside hit from the Tampa Bay Bucks defensive tackle Warren Sapp. Because the incident occurred after an interception with Clifton far from the play, Sapp received harsh criticism for his action. After the game, when Packers head coach Mike Sherman told Seth that his players are uncalled for, Sapp began angly shouting at Sherman in a tire that was caught on camera with Sapp famously screaming,

Put a jersey on. For his part, Sapp did not visit or telephone Clifting during his four-day stay in a Tampa Bay hospital. As a result of his injury, Clifton missed the rest of the season, was hospitalized for almost a week, and could not walk unaided for five more weeks. In 2005, the NFL Competition Committee agreed on new guidelines for unnecessary roughness, making hits such as that suffered by Clifton illegal. Did you see the hit? Oh.

It's pretty egregious. Is it bad? Yeah, it's like the prototypical launching yourself with your crown of your helmet first. Oh, Jesus, really? Yeah. By like a 300-pound man. He like leaves his feet to hit him blindside. Warren's app.

We should have seen the signs. Yeah, right. It's like he was born with PTSD. CTE. There was a lot of. also like a like they cut to the Sunday night football booth

and they're talking about Chris Sims having his like spleen removed after the game and like blood transfusions and shit I don't know I didn't Google that either but apparently he got like I don't know it was after the game

I don't know if it was like a during the game sort of thing but you went to the hospital and had to have his spleen taken out Jesus also I don't know would you call Chris Sims a ball nower? Yeah it's controversial to take.

Yeah. He's a ball talker. He talks a lot of ball. Yeah, talks a lot of ball. He did call the Lamar Jackson thing. What do you mean he called the Lamar Jackson thing? He had Lamar way higher in his QB rankings before the draft than anybody else. But didn't he have Drake Mayway low?

Yeah. And then like the next couple seasons, he botched it. But I appreciate that like all these analysts just do like the same guys with like a slightly tweaked order. He's the only one that actually feels like they're like not just basing it on other people's opinions. The other thing was Darren Williams

has his entire name on his jersey. Really? I didn't know you could do that. It's usually because there's somebody else with like, they'll try to get as many letters to differentiate you from somebody with the same name. DJ Williams.

Right. So they'll have like, yeah, they'll have somebody else who has a similar name, obviously. He's his full name. I only notice it because he returns upon. He catches it inside the five, doubles back, like almost gets a safety,

he gets tacked up on the one yard line. Jesus Christ. Yeah, this game, not worth watching. No, yeah, that's why we're talking about anything but. So maybe it's not so great not having a job. Just playing the Broncos early season. You're playing the Broncos in the early doubt, sucked it seemed like.

Well, John, John Madden was calling them out for the pages had like no emotion. They're super flat. You'd think they'd be more amped up. But they couldn't make big plays or anything. Like their biggest play was a fake to double reverse and then threw it down the middle to Maroney. But it was like a three-yard pass that turned into a 30-yard game.

But that was their biggest play the whole game. All for Maroney, yeah. Yeah, it is weird. you with this being like it's Sunday night so you know you're in prime time you're playing at home

revenge game yeah exactly you would think that this would be kind of the the coming out right but it's because you were stuck I mean even Madden was like

yeah Troy Brown went from the third string receiver to the fourth string receiver to the first string receiver he's right I mean Troy is the only one getting open catching anything there's every other passes they were just like

like, blanketed. So Roshay Caldwell, no good on second viewing. No, he wasn't great. But, but I guess

he only plays a couple more times and see you later. Yeah, I thought he was okay. But I don't remember him being, you know,

great. Best of C. on the field, though, Rod Smith. Well, yeah. Not Javon Walker

and his two touchdowns? No, Dr. Put it on the board. Greg, that's a point for that. Now, Rod Smith was catching every first down. He was there, you know, he's there, Troy Brown. Six for 44.

Javon Walker, three for one-thirty and two touchdowns. Put it on the board! No, it doesn't count. He didn't watch the game, Craig. I watched the highlights, and that touchdown by Javon was pretty sick. It was pretty good. It wasn't even, that was terrible tackling. It was an awful angle.

Yeah. Because Eugene Wilson got a defense. Yeah. Still pretty cool. I guess. Oh, I found the Chris Sims thing. You want to hear about it? Spleen removal.

Yeah. So under a life-threatening injury section of his wikipedia page, Sims suffered a seizing ending injury in game three of the 2006 schedule. So this week, on Sunday, September 24th, he was taken out the field after taking a hard hits from the Carolina Panthers defense. Sims returned to the game and even led a successful schedule. scoring drive but remained in physical duress or distress and was taken to a nearby hospital after the game. Test revealed a ruptured spleen and Sims immediately underwent emergency surgery.

In the aftermath, Sim said he lost five pints of blood before the operation and conceded that another 45 minutes without treatment could have been fatal. Playing on a one year $2.1 million contract signed before the season, Sims was eligible for free agency in 2007. Weird way to end that section. It's hockey tough right there. That's going to be hockey tough, yeah. got a lot of respect for that. Does he play again? Let's see.

Doesn't like it. Let's see. On December 27th, 2006, Sims announced he had signed a two-year extension to remain with the Bucks with the expectation that he would start. However, due to complications from his recovery and the performance of Jeff Garcia and Minicamp, Sims was expecting

to serve as a backup to Garcia. October 9, Simms was placed on IR for the rest of the season. The Bucks were expected. to keep Sims on the rest for minicamp as their fifth quarterback. But Sims' relationship with head coach John Gruden worsened significantly during this period. Sims attributed his lack of playing time to how Gruden treated him during his recovery from the spleen injury. He even said that, quote, the relationship between me and Coach Gruden, it's broken, Sim said. I don't see any way it's going to get better.

Sims also said that he will never forgive Gruden, although he still respects the Buccaneers as an organization. So he's not joining Arsenal anytime soon. I didn't say that right. He worked out with Baltimore Ravens with the preseason will not sign. Let's see, he does go. Oh, sign with the Titans after Vince Young was sidelined with an MCL.

It was back up to Kerry Collins when he was released to make room for punter Josh Miller, who was playing in this game also, right? Yeah. He was re-signed the following. Let's say, in 2009, he has a two-year, $6 million

dollar contract with the Broncos. Back up to Kyle Orton. Jesus Christ. He's back to the dog shit quarterback. Talking about downward. Downward, slide, Jesus. He took over the second half of the game against the Redskins after Orton left of the sprained ankle, eventually gave up the lead to the Redskins while going three for 13 passing for 13 yards with no touchdowns on one interception.

He started against the charges on November 22nd, 2009, but it was quickly replaced by Orton in the second quarter after going two for four for only 10 yards. He was released on March 15, 2010 after the Broncos traded for Brady, Quinn. Jeez. Murderer's row of average quarterbacks. Below average.

That's not all. Tennessee Titans' second stint in 2010, Sims was re-signed by the Titans when that was in April, and on September, 2010, he was cut

from the Titans roster. November, he was re-signed to be a backup quarterback quarterback back quarterback behind Rusty Smith after the season injury to Vince Young.

He was not brought back for the 2011 season. nor was he picked up by another team. Anybody remember Rusty Smith? No, but being a backup quarterback's gotta be awesome. Oh yeah. Yeah, because it sets you up for YouTube start them, you know? Yeah.

You're not getting your fucking spleen ruptured either. Well, you are. That's how you end up the backup. Oh, I just prefer to be the backup from the start, you know? That's very, yeah. You want to hear about Rusty Smith, the guy who beat up Chris Sims for a first? quarterback spot. Did he start?

I've never even heard this guy's name before. We're going to get replaced by AI just reading Wikipedia pages. AI is going to crawl our podcast and then take that as like what's actually happened in the dynasty. That's what's going to happen.

That's going to get completely wrong. Yeah. Russell Edgar Smith played college football for the Florida Atlantic Owls. It's like it by the Titans in the sixth round of the 2010 draft. Yikes.

Play for the Calgary St. Peter's the CFL. That's a high school football coach. That's all we got on Rusty. Does he have a YouTube? Let's see. Career NFL statistics. 45 attempts, 23 completions. No touchdowns, four receptions,

234 yards. Passer rating 29.3. He's a ginger. Oh, yeah. Backing up a ginger name Rusty. that's when you got to re-evaluate. Yeah. Yeah.

Back to the drawing board. That's how you know when I'm retired there. Fire up that YouTube channel. Interesting that Jake Huttler is in Denver this year and is like... They're not getting up the rain. The sidelines just chewing gum. Smoking, smoke and Joe. I mean, they moved up in the draft to get him, right?

I don't remember that. Yeah, they traded us. third and their first to move up. Yeah. Well, they were like, they were talking about the league kind of because, you know, this game was not interesting. And John Madden was like, well, you know, if the bears have finally found their quarterback and Rex Grossman, they might be dangerous, you know?

It's like pretty soon after they'd shown Cutler on the sideline. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. And then he's like, they, bears have always had a good defense and no, no good quarterback. You know, he's like, how far back do you have to go to find a good quarterback? Maybe Rex Grossman's the guy. He does bring him to Super Bowl.

This Super Bowl, right? 2006? The other go to the Super Bowl? Yeah, he takes him back. The Colts beat him. Yeah. He's like him and who's the guy from Baltimore? Kyle Bowler?

Yeah, those two are like the two worst quarterbacks in the Super Bowl era, they think. Yeah, I'd say so with the two best defenses. that Bears defense and then like the Ravens defense. This is a good draft by the Broncos team though. Jay Cutler, pick number 11. Let's talk about that. Pro baller. Yeah.

Jake was good. He just didn't give a shit. Do you think Broncos fans think that was a good pick? No, because he didn't really ball out for them. Not much. I mean, did he ball out for anybody? He was a good player. Yeah, he's good on the Bears.

Was he good on the Bears? Yeah. Are you just asking over to the questions? Point, Greg. I'm just saying, I remember thinking he was like super talented but sucked. And I probably, they used that, what was it, 11th overall pick on him? I'd be like, that's a bad pick. They trade him to Chicago, right?

Yeah. Why? It's like right after you won the Pro Bowl next year he's playing for Chicago. It's a good question. probably because he just doesn't give shit. Do you see him in the news again this week? No. Oh, what do you do?

D-U-I. Really? Yeah, there's body camp footage out there. Oh, uh-oh. It's a bad? No, it's not that bad. All right. I mean, I think he crashed.

Well, that'll do it. It's my understanding. And basically the video is like, you want to do this field sobriety test? And he's like, no. And then they immediately fucking arrest him. That's how it works. Yeah.

So, all right, so I'm going to argue that that was a good pick by the Rangos. Because let me give you the other quarterbacks in this draft and tell me who you would pick above him. Okay, this is good exercise. All right, so we're going to start at the bottom and work our way up to the top. So seventh round, DJ Shockley, quarterback from Georgia. Never heard him. Six rounds to Tampa, Bruce Radkowski from Toledo. Yeah.

Remember him? Yep. Bengals in the six round drafted Reggie McNeil from Texas A&M. Nope. Fifth round, Pittsburgh Steelers draft Omar Jacobs from Bowling Green. Nope. This is going to be fun. Fifth round, Green Bayside was drafted Ingle Martin from Furman.

Let us see if we can guess the top three, or the three, like, rounds. I'll tell you when we get to three. The Jets drafted Brad Smith in the fourth. Yep. She's drafted Brody Croyle in the third. Yeah. Chargers grabbed Charlie Whitehurst in the third. And now I'm getting close.

I'll let you tell me the three first round picks. The second round was Vikings, Tavares Jackson, Jets, Kellynne and Clemens. Jets double dipping, Kellyn Clemens, and Brad Smith. Oh. So now you have three first rounders. All right, Kim's the team they drafted him. All right, so first round, third pick overall, Tennessee Titans. Vince Young

Vince Young out of Texas First round pick Pick number 10 overall Arizona Cardinals Arizona Cardinals 10 overall Vince Young's college Nemesis

Matt Liner Yes there you go Now Matt Liner I always get him in Sanchez And then Jay Keller's pick The pick after And then pick number 11 Denver Broncos

Jay Culler From Vandy So out of all those who's the best quarterback I got out of draft? So according to Google AI overview

he got traded because of a clash with Josh McDaniels. Oh, that's right, yes. McDaniels took over. He booted everybody. Yeah, to make his own team. Yes,

and after a meeting a meeting where McDaniels was critical of him, Cutler asked to be traded. I mean, that tracks. I mean, that tracks for both of them,

don't you think? That's McGale's trying to beat the Validap. And that's fucking kind of me, like, no, you can't say that bad about me. I mean, trade me. Fuck this. I mean, they sort of sold high on him. Yeah, how would they get for him?

Oh, it's good question. First rounder? You would think. He just, he's a 4,500 yards, 25 touchdowns, 18 interceptions, Pro Bowl. He was traded with the Bronzerge. Bronco's fifth round selection to the Bears for quarterback Kyle Orton, the bear's first and third

round selections and a first, the following year. Wow. So two first, a third, and Kyle Orton for Cutler and a fifth. That's pretty good. That's a haul. It is. On the back end of his rookie contract. Especially since he goes Chicago and Chicago's where good quarterbacks, just don't flourish. They go to die. They don't have to go to die. They just kind of like just are there. He might be their best quarterback ever. Uh,

Rex Grossman took him in the Super Bowl. I guess it depends on how you define best? I don't, yeah, Jim McMahon was the only one that came to mind. But like, is that? 23,000 yards. So the whole thing for them is like 4,000-yard passer, right? So that first year he gets the 3666 and he gets a 3812 and 2014, 3600 and 2015. There you go.

Chicago Bears. He's first and the Bears, yeah, all-time. You see who's fifth? Oh, no. Mitch, dude. Mitch, Mitch, Mitch, Mitch, Mitch, Mitch, Mitch, Mitch. Mitch. He's fifth, all-time pass yards for them?

Yeah. Yeah. Jay Cutler's got 23,000. The next closest is Sid Luckman with 14,000 career. And we'll just put this out there. Sid Luckman, he played from 1939 to 1950. Dude. He played 26 more games.

None of this is good. It's just getting the words you go. It's Jay Cutler, Sid Luckman, Jim Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, Jim McMahon, who won a Super Bowl, forgive him, Mitchell Tribeskey, Eric Kramer, who wasn't he the black? Guines quarterback Royal? Billy Wade. Ed Brown,

never heard of him. Bob Abelaney. Justin Fields. 10th. 10th. He played there two years. Yeah. He put up 6,600 yards and 40 touchdowns.

30 interceptions. He's 10th. Top 10. Mike Tomazak is 13th. Rex Grossman, 15th. George Blanda, 16th, from 1949 to 1958. Jim Miller, Kyle Orton,

Caleb Willans, in, what, one, two seasons, 20th. Cade McNaught on here. Dave Craig. Dave Craig, one season, 28th. Chris Chandler, 17 games.

I don't think we need anybody. Nick Foles is on his list. That's 30. Nick Foles is on this list. It's got 2,000, though. Like, you played 10 games. I know, but like the, I think the top end of the list is the most shocking part.

Viral Stewart's on this list. I didn't even know Cordell Stewart played. Yeah, but you get any team to get down to the fucking 40s, Andy, you're going to have, like, guys that played like partial seasons. I guess. Brian Hoyer's on here. The top five having, dude, fucking Jim Harbaugh, Jim McMahon, and Mitch Tribisky in the top five.

That's like your fifth best quarterback ever is Mitch Trubisky, who's like an all-time bus. It's crazy. Yeah, Mitch Tribisky. Although he's sneaky not that bad. He just played in Chicago. Five, four. Four in Chicago.

And then he's been backing up ever since then. Yeah. That first year in Chicago after the Cutler gets traded. 27 touchdowns, 26 INTs. Nice. Just slinging it. Yeah. Gunslinger.

The boys did not care. He was a league twice in I&Ts when he played for the Bears. Did not care. He's like a really. reality star now too, you know that? Is he? Yeah. He's married to someone.

Yeah, so he's married to yeah. Kristen Cavaleri? Yeah, I think she was one of those old like OG reality TV shows, like the fucking Orange County or whatever. Here we go. If you refer to the famous 2004

as a cast member of the popular MTV reality television series, Laguna Beach, the Real Orange County. there you go look at me put what on the board from me that's that should be

knowing that Greg come on Cutler regular appeared on the show only the Donovan's people watch that sort of stuff I'm a ball noer Steve across the spectrum

different kind of balls Cutler regularly appeared on the show very cavalery between 2018 and 2020 yeah but that show's so bad oh I guarantee it

so bad I bet it's pretty funny on it though you know just his attitude of like not giving the shit he's definitely not like yucking it up for the camera you know no I can't yeah oh geez all right and his

recent DUI is on here too August 26 2025 color was sentenced to four days in jail as part of a plea deal with prosecutors four days as part of the agreement prosecutors dismissed the weapons possession charge and color entered a guilty plea of driving

on the influence his order to surrender of a pistol found in his car at the time of the accident. Pay a $350 fine and an attendant DUI safety cloud. His Tennessee driver's license was also revoked. Oops. Lock him up.

I'm sure you do best and worst? Yes. Yes. That whole show is probably the worst. No, I think the Chicago Bears quarterback situation is the worst. Just their entire history of quarterbacking? What are, who's worse?

Bears' quarterbacks or Browns quarterbacks? Or Jets' quarterbacks? I mean, Brown's quarterback's got to have some decent ones. Do you think? Yeah, let's take a look, see. I mean, the Jets are also cursed. Number one, Brian Sipe. Yeah, he won an MVP.

Yeah. Autogram, Bernie Coz are Baker Mayfield, number four. That's pretty crazy. Right? But at least they have like three players at more than 20,000 passing yards. I mean, that's true, yeah. Baker Mayfield, Frank Ryan, Tim Couch, number six.

It gets sad, quick, though. Vintech has already 10. Derek Anderson, 11. Derek Anderson was good at times. Brandon Whedon, Colt McCoy, Brian Hoyer, 15. Brian Hoyer is all over these. Charlie Fry, Kelly Holcomb. Deshawn Watson, 18th.

Played eight games. No, sorry, 19 games. Yikes. Now do the Jets. All right, so let's find the Jets. Your Jets, career leaves and passing. Joe Namath, number one, makes sense. 27,000 passing yards.

Number two, Ken O'Brien, who was like the guy all through the 80s, early 90s, 24,000 passing yards. Richard Todd, four, Chapnington, five, Vinie Testaver, 30, six, Mark Sanchez, seven, boomers-Eyeson. How many did Pennington have? How many yards? 13,000. 82 touchdowns, 55 picks. I would have thought more.

Yeah, me too. He was one of those guys that was like better than his stats. Yeah, I agree. He died, been on the podcast last week. We talked to Matt, we talked to him about that. What do you say? That he's better than his stats. He's a Pennington, Truther.

Yeah, no, you thought Pennington was great. Old noodle arms. It is a good little tidbit. The 16th most passing yards by a judge quarterback, Aaron Rogers, with 3897. Number 17, Brett Farrf, 3472. And Rogers, the better

former Packer quarterback, apparently. The question is, where is Drake May on the Patriots all-time passing leaders? Is he number two yet? No, because Blentzots got to still be up there. Right? Yes. Brady, Bloodsard, Grogan,

Babe Pruly, Tony East, and Jim Plunkett, Mack Jones, 7th. Hell yeah, dude. Drake May 8th. Drake May 8th. Drake May has just recently passed Hugh Millen and Matt Castle for 9th and 10th. Dave, we're coming.

Oh, yeah. We're coming for your ass. I want to watch you back, Brady. Andy, can you give me a, where are you at with our man, Drake May? Consciously optimistic. I've seen all I need to see. What does that mean?

I'm all the way in, buddy. All the way in, yeah. Gosh, up to the wind. Yep. Next time Brady, all right. Hands off. How many Super Bowl before retires? I think he's better than Mahomes.

Yeah, more than Mahomes. Whatever. The Bahams adds up, that plus one. All right. You're on the board. See, I think, I think a big factor was that Bill's game

where he's a gamer, you know? Yeah. Like, there's plenty of good quarterbacks that, like, can, like, have a talented arm yeah, can run the ball but like I feel like the difference and we didn't know before that

Bill's game is like he's a gamer and when the game's on the line he's like gonna fucking go out there and be confident you know yeah yeah I agree and I think you've actually seen it as well last couple of weeks where the games haven't gone particularly well

but there's still like what's the New Orleans game like shit just like wasn't going right but he's still just like Yeah. Sling it and pulling it out, like making... Calls going against you, still just fucking slinging. Yeah.

And the same kind of like the first half of the Tennessee. Like, we can see it, for you know, honest. Like, in the Browns game where he, like, has that huge scramble, and then next play, 40-ar bomb. Yeah. Curtains. It was 23-7. Then that was now, it's over.

Yep. It's such a joy having a good team to watch again. Oh, yeah. I'm sure everyone else hates it, though. Oh, my God. Yeah. None of the people listen to this podcast. They're also on our side,

but everybody else who doesn't listen to this podcast hates it. I mean, I get it. I cannot listen to Collinsworth do a Mahomes game. I just can't do it. Oh, yeah. It's bad. It's real bad. There's a great clip going around the internet of like this show,

hey, three home run game. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, he hits the third home run. And then they spliced in Collinsworth being like, you know, this reminds me. me how Mahomes does it. He does it with everyone, though. He was doing it with that.

Yeah. And he's like star player. He's like a star fucker, you know? Like, if it's like a big brand player, he just talks about him nonstop. And it's like,

yeah, he's the same with Brady all the time too. Yeah. And it's like, I'm good if you point out when they do something good. What drives me nuts is when he points it out when they're like,

it's not even a good play. Yeah. You know, you're like, what are you talking about? about dude you know yeah yeah so he's trying to make the game more exciting than it actually is and it's just been obnoxious about a specific player you know he's trying to be like look how impressive this was it's like yeah i don't think you would have said that if it wasn't that

player right exactly yeah yeah mag jones make that play you ain't saying the same thing aren't yeah yeah that's a schickney's sticking to it hey all right see me some best and worse well can we tally up the dumb toot-duddle-dum versus tweedle-dummer? Yeah, you're both tweedled-dummer. It's a tie right now. So, does that mean Andy's a Tweedle-Dum-ist? No, Tim is for not shown-up.

Or maybe he's the only one that's not Tweedle-Dum in this case. Fidel Dumbus is anybody to listen to this fucking episode, I think. Oh, although I talked to mom today, she is back listening to the episodes, but she's all the way back in February. Okay. And for reference, we're almost in September.

I mean, we haven't released that many episodes, so she'll catch up soon. True. Steve's a little peek behind the curtain. Steve's turned into our most reliable cast member here. It's because I don't have a job. No child and the job. He's free all the time. He's watching all the games.

It's fucking ridiculous. It is, yes. He's got nose and everything. Yeah. And Greg just shows up day out. God. I'm so jealous, Steve. What game is it this week, guys?

Well, she calls me in the middle of the day, and she's like, is this a good time? I'm like, every time's a good time, mom. Isn't that sick, Andy? Jesus. And she's like, oh, I just listen to that podcaster. But you just quit your job and Greg's making fun about having to give back your laptop. What a punk. That doesn't sound like me.

No, it sounds like you. Point for Greg. So I should probably go last because I have all of the best and worsts. Or I can go first, whatever. You know, Andy, you're the quarterback here. Greg, give me your best and worst. Let's see what you got. Okay.

I was looking up like, I thought 38 and a half was a low over-under, so I was trying to find like super low ones. Yeah. And there was a game at 2023 pats when they had Zappi, and the over-under was 30. And it was the lowest over-under points. total in 30 years past Steelers in 2020. I remember that. Didn't the Vegas win that game?

Is that a game? Yeah, they hit the over. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Damn. I wonder what's the lowest under to hit under? The lowest over under hit under.

That's a good question. Like, well, those games, like, you know it's going to be low scoring and it's still, like, disappoints, you know? Yeah. I was looking at some of the comments, and it was saying, like, Felger was saying he was, he would hammered the over the under if it was 20. You would have lost because it's felt great. That's right.

And then he would have just ignored the mistake and never talk about it again. Yeah, yeah. Just kept moving. Yeah. How you do? Flood the zone. My best. Let's see.

I'll give it to Jake the Snake. I'm a big Jake the Snake fan I'm the snake truther Yeah he didn't have like a scramble for First Down for like 15 yards He beat Junior Say out of the corner Damn Still got him

A loss of stuff Oh there's two old guys Just like Walker's up there Just wheelchair and it down after each other All right I'd say my best is Doug Gabriel

Breaking the Broncos touchdown his streak to start the season. Go Doug Gabriel. Might be the last play we see from you. I don't think there's many of them. My worst is the

legal trouble section of Brandon Marshall's. Oh, he's on this team? Oh, yeah. He was drafted. This is the year he's drafted. It is a good draft for the Denver Broncos. Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall,

Elvis Dumerville. Yeah. Is he good? Solid draft. Yes. Not a good. He also has a thing, borderline personality disorder, too,

under his personal life section. I'm not quite sure what that is. But I think it may have impacted his off-the-fields troubles, because there are a lot of them. little sticking for a legal lane change then found to be without his license

and proof of insurance case of eventually dropped a private plea bargain for the October incident driving incident involving alcohol it's got to be worse in Dio I was on it

what's the worst one be you take guesses Steve young is a DV okay adult or a child I don't. Okay. Don't go child.

All right. On Halloween 2004, happy Halloween, follows to celebrate. While a student at UCF, Marshall was arrested in Orlando in charge of assault of a law enforcement officer,

refusal to obey, disorderly conduct, and resisting an officer. There's a cop. Damn it. Oh, okay, there's more. Let's see. January 1st, 2007.

Marshall was present at the shelter in the nightclub in Denver, Colorado, along with teammates, Javon, and Darren Williams. The trio were attending a birthday party held for

and buy Denver Nuggets forward, Kenyon Martin. As the players were leaving the club in a limousine Williams was fairly shot in the neck after an unknown

to sale at open fire the vehicle. I remember. Darren Williams was? Yep. The guy had this whole name on the jersey. Dude, rest in peace.

Yep. I remember that. He is, yeah. Remember that? You remember it? You didn't bring it up when we had that old conversation with Darren Williams?

Well, I remember it now. That's a point for you, Andy. fair yeah because Marshall was there like fucked him up mentally as well because he saw his

like good friend on the team get shot to death let's see in March of that same 2007 season he was arrested in the Highlands Ranch suburb on suspicion of domestic violence after his girlfriend reported

that following a domestic dispute let's see and then October 2007 was arrested in Denver Aurora Metropolitan Area for DUI. Let's see. He is agreed to a plea bargain

40 years earlier he pleaded a guilty to reduce charge driving while impaired. And then 2008 was taking for the legal lane change where you didn't have his license 2008. That should even fucking make the list. Misdemeanor battery charges

or unless you incident on March 4th. Jesus Christ. Is there anything good on here? This is all kind of fucking rinky-dink shit. On April 23rd, 2011, Marshall was stabbed near his stomach by his wife. Hell yeah, dude. Now we're talking. He was taking a hospital where at least two days later.

He's since made a full recovery. Well, yeah. It was later revealed by police that Marshall's wife did make a brief now on one call, but only described as an unspecified emergency and no mention of a stabbing ever took place. Got DV written all over it. On early Sunday, March 11, 2012, two days before his train. to the Bears. Marshall was accused of hitting a woman in the face and a New York club being involved in a melee.

Marshall punched one below her left eye, although he may have been attempting to hit the woman's friends. The investigation later ended after a lack of evidence of his role in the incident. I think that's it. That sounds too bad. Yeah. Except the DV stuff. Yeah. I mean, that's more just like run in the middle. Fucking NFL shit, right? I guess. A little bit DV, some fucking DUIs.

He's no Tyreekill. Adrian Peterson. Lawrence Steins? Dave Meggett. Too many. Oh, boy. Warren's up. Warren's up.

Yeah, Warren's up again. Yeah. Yeah. I like that, Greg. All right, Steve. That's the worst. A worst. 635 combined yards punting.

Don't watch this game. Yeah, don't watch this game. See, it's not all sunshines and rainbows. Nope. Yeah. You do the heavy lifting so you don't have to. Yeah, the rest were calling a lot of PIs. There's like two offensive pass interference on the Patriots,

a bunch of defense and not on the Broncos. So I just felt that it was all one way. Got a lot of issues with the referees, although except there's one play Patriots like backed up when the guy came to the Broncos guy came down to make the tackle and the ref blocked him like a 15-yard run

nice yeah but the pets the boobers are a half time too for the Patriots just they were just they're just crap was just bad offense all around and then that 85 yard touchdown Richard Seymour like throws the left tackle the

ground instantly in this right in in plumbers face and just like has the wrecks him but he barely gets the pass off yeah and then Sanders takes the worst angle ever yeah if you if you want to think of this past think of uh the 2011 2011 2011 12 Super Bowl against the giants but Eli Manning hits that whole shot it was like that just like it's getting clodderable like puts the perfect pass it's like motherfucker the best uh uh There was a, it was like a, Tom, it was like a third and one. Tom Brady takes a snap and then kneels down. And we're like, what the hell?

He like immediately does like a victory formation kneel down. But he was just catching him and too many men on the field. You get the free first down. I've never seen them like, usually people like if they do that, they try to get a play out of it, you know? Yeah. I don't know why he just took the kneel down. It was like he was spotting the ball for a field goal. Because they knew that that wouldn't be open.

Yeah. Yikes. All right. And then there was a little foreshadowing in this game. Oh, love it a foreshadow. Yeah, a little, yeah, because Tom Brady's just forcing the ball, chucking it 55 times. He throws, like, a pretty sure interception.

And if it wasn't for Troy Brown, breaking the pass up, right there, you know? Oh. Yeah. And then Matt into the former Matton's like, oh, yeah, Troy Brown's keeping his DB skill sharp from last year, you know? gotta love that yeah now's my best for sure absolutely

wonderful all right so we finally got that game out of the book off the books so what's next week Steve I don't know Greg

Greg's not gonna be here yeah so I don't know why you're asking you already watch it yet that was awesome so this week the next week is gonna be um

it's gonna kind of feel pretty familiar to Pages fans. The Patriots coming off of an ugly loss at home to, oh, yeah, the AFC North team. Well, go to the Bengals and blow the doors off a Bengals team for a retribution. So next week, we will see you. We're on to Cincinnati, Steve. Nice.

So until then, we will see you later. See you later. Hey, later. Oh, later. To turn in next week. To see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg is. I'm a Patriots Dynasty podcast. Steve, so committed.