Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2006 Week 4: Patriots at Bengals

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

You probably remember the "On to Cincinnati" game in 2014 after a beatdown in Kansas City, but did you know that it was actually a sequel?Join Andy, Steve and Tim as they revel in the return of Corey Dillon to his prior digs, as the Patriots upset the high-powered Bengals in their own stadium. We want to know what you think of our podcast (no, seriously!): http://bit.ly/patriotsdynastypodcast-surveySupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown, and while I have to listen to this podcast as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. Welcome back to the Patriots Dynasty podcast, the only podcast we're watching every game of the Patriot's Dynasty era, eventually. It's taking us a very long time to get through it. But this week, we are in.

In 2006, week four, Patriots traveled to Cincinnati to play the Bengals. With me is everybody, kind of, I think. Tim turns here. Timmy, how you doing, bud? Doing well. Glad to be back with the boys. I know. It's been a long time.

We also got Steve Brown here, who is not in his house, but he is in Greg's house. Hi, Steve. I'm kind of pissing. You started with Tim. Well, that's fine. Well, it's starting with you just in case Greg actually came back. back into the room while I was introducing Timothy. You mean my roommate?

I mean your landlord. All right, my landlord? Yeah. Here you've been roofing a deck. How's that gone? Well, you don't roof a deck, Andy. It's a deck. You did?

Deck a deck. A screened in porch. Whatever. The screen and porch is just a fancy way of saying deck. That's, yeah, that's how I pay rent. yeah by oh by doing yeah for favors for Greg yeah that sounds about right okay when I first moved in his front door didn't even close

and latch shut it was just like it would just pop open and I was like Greg how long has this been doing that he's like I don't know a couple months I was like important to be able to lock and close your front door did it took me like 10 minutes with a knife to just so carve it out a little bit yeah that sounds about right that sounds very Greg of him actually. So, well, nice. So you're

recovered physically from all that hard work, physical labor? Well, Andy, when you don't have a job for a year, you build up a reservoir of strength. Or of energy anyway. Yes. Cool, all right.

Should we talk about some football? It's been a long time. Do you guys remember what football is? You remember what this podcast is about? Yeah, I watched the Super Bowl. I also unfortunately did Yeah Yeah we won't talk about that Because I think that might have been the last Podcast we did was right before the pool wasn't it

So yeah Oh yeah yeah I made some predictions Yeah how'd those go I think it went over I was gonna pull it up but then I I don't think anyone needs to remember that So it's fine Come on this is how high takes work

You just don't go back and revisit anything you got wrong That's exactly right which actually works out well because this week we are talking about the original onto Cincinnati game yeah this is the week after the Patriots got the doors blown off

by Denver at home in what was supposed to be the retribution game for the playoff lost the year before and so there was a whole lot of you know talk about how bad the Patriots wide receivers are and how bad their defensive backs are because again they are injured

for is this the fourth straight season it feels like they just you know there's a Troy Brown appearance in this game on on defense um as a nickel corner again um and they're coming they're going to Cincinnati to play the undefeated um 3-0 Cincinnati Bengals who had just beat the reigning Super Bowl champion Steelers the week before um and then they would go on to

lose four of the next five games after losing this one to the Patriots, spoiler alert, and end up on the season 8 and 8 and missing the playoffs, I believe. Yep. In typical Bengal fashion. Yeah, I feel like if you go through the history of the league

when they had 16 games, that the Bengals end up with the most 8 and 8 seasons. Yeah, the Marv Lewis special, right? Yeah. Get him just about to 8 and 8 and 9 and 7, maybe make the playoffs and lose in the first round. Usually to the Steelers.

Carson Palmer. and the Red Rocket were both elite at that. Yeah, oh yeah. But this team was actually pretty good. I think their defense would get shredded later in the year. But they were eight in points in yards on offense because they had a stacked offense. Like you said, Ziva, this is Carson Palmer.

Chad Johnson, while he was still Chad Johnson, hadn't changed his name yet. Talking a whole bunch of shit. There's also your boy, Hooshmoooo. Hush, Zoo. Yeah, and then Rudy Johnson as a running back as well, which is like fucking, that's a stacked

offense. And they had Chris Henry who ended up, I mean, he was like a really good number three for them. He was. He wasn't playing this game because he'd been arrested a bunch and was in a car with a drunk driver this prior week, so he was not playing.

It was a cautious decision to sit him. Because they're trying to get through to him. I don't think that worked. But yeah, so they had some solid offensive firepower, and they were going against a very beat-up Patriots defense, who had, let's see, Chad Scott starting for Ellis Hobbs, Artrell Hawkins, starting over Eugene Wilson,

who was also injured, Randall Gay's on IR, and they're bringing Hank Potit in off the street. to start in this game. Yeah, good old Hank. Mm-hmm. You do, you do get, you know, you have some guys back, but like this is, again, the same situation

that the Patriots would deal with for whoever knows how long. The defensive backfield just can't say healthy. The interesting part about the recording that we had of this game was it also had the Channel 4, like, pregame show, with the one and only Michael Falger. make a prediction of the page's defensive back sucks. All Carson Palmer has to do is throw it up there and the patch is screwed.

And his prediction was, I think, they get blown out, smoked, was his prediction for this game. To be fair, it kind of draws up that way. Bouchooseu and Chad Johnson matched up across from Hank Potee. Right. Yeah, no, you would think so. But it didn't happen. even though there was a whole lot of talk from Chad Johnson. Let me see what I had here.

Before the game, he said, tell 37, I'm going to knock his helmet off, talking about Rodney Harrison, which I feel like is probably not the guy you want to be talking about. If you're a big, prolific shit talker, you go for the biggest, baddest guy in the yard, you know? You would think. Rodney Harrison literally just laughed out loud when somebody told him what he said. And then he said, that guy couldn't knock him a ski. was helmet off. So

that's a good one. Yeah. So that's, that was the leading up to it, this game, which is amazing. And this was one of those, again,

it was the original, we're on Cincinnati game. You know, everybody counting them out, Patriots pissed that, you know, they lost, they got,

you know, whooped the week before and just came out and just like, absolutely, smoke this Steelers this Bengals team

you want the final score Steve do you want to say it I know you're a big fan of that the final score I just you know that's what's been seeing feedback from our customers

has it I don't know what was the final score customers our listeners Steve it was Patriots 38 Bengals 13 that's a good blowout

that's a big blowout that's a big blowout yeah and it fell apart quickly in the fourth quarter too The, I think I have it here, some of the Steelers, not the Jesus Christ, still the

Yeah, you're stuck on the Steelers, man. Yeah, I'm all about it. The Bengals, rather, the Bengals, the Bengals, uh, Jesus Christ, where do I have it here? It's been a while, can you tell, boys? But basically it was, um, the Bengals kind of were down, not all by a lot, by like a, like a, a couple scores, I think it was like 10 points or nine points, something like that. And then the team just like fall, the Bengals team falls apart.

And I think they fumble twice, two, two, yeah, two sack, like strip sack fumbles that they lose in back-to-back plays. So they, here it is, they, in the fourth quarter, to start the fourth quarter, like just kick came in the fourth quarter, um, They have a three-play drive, 52 seconds, lose seven yards and lose the ball and a fumble on a strip sack of Carson Palmer. Patriot turned around and touchdown. The Bengals get the ensuing kickoff. The very next play from scrimmage, exactly the same thing happens.

Carson-Palmy gets strip-sacked, Patriots recover, score a touchdown, and the game's over at that point. So it was... I was at the actual or on the Cincinnati game, and that was more... of an ass-lipping than this game. You think so? Yeah, because this game was like somewhat close. Not really, 38, 13? Yeah, but it was 21-13 with four minutes left in the third quarter when Patriot score.

Yeah. To go by eight, you know? Yeah. I just finished watching that drive too. Fourth quarter got away. Yeah, and this was, yeah, this was, you know, because the question mark on offense was the wide receivers. There was a whole lot of talk about, um, Brady talking about how much he loves, you know, this is the best offensive line he's ever played with.

It's the best tight end group he's ever played with. It's the best running back Corey's ever played with. And the wide receivers, they're going to figure it out. It was basically how the commentator is talking about it. It's run 41 times for 236 yards and three touchdowns. Yeah, because the other underlying, like, undercurrent of this is this is Corey Dillon's first game back in Cincinnati, since he, fought his way out. Right.

So he got absolutely booed every time he touched the ball. So in the fourth quarter, the Patriots, after one of those strip sacks in Cincinnati territory, they give the ball to, where is it, basically every play after the strip sack. I think it was like five out of six players. There's Corey Dillon up the middle. Five yards, no gains, no gain, no gain.

Tom Brady passed and complete. Fourth and one. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, fuck it, let's go. Just to make sure he gets his touchdown. He does, he scores a touchdown and runs over and just throws the ball in the stands. It just stands there like in the crowd.

And just the booze are just resonating. It's amazing. They feel differently now for my sources. Do you think so? Yeah, I would imagine, yeah. Yeah, they love Cory Doe. And they now blame the Bengals organization. I mean, hard not to.

Do you think that'll happen with Bellichick and the Patriots fans? I don't know if there's the same vitriol that we against Belichick as they do. They did court down in this game. I don't know. I don't hate Belichick. Yeah, people, they don't seem particularly thrilled by him, though, especially with all the extracurriculars happening out after, you know, down in. I think it has more to do with that than anything else.

Yeah. I'm just glad to be out of the Belichick game. I don't hate Belichick, though. Do you like to be out of the Belichick game? What? I'm just glad I'm like my social media feed isn't dominated with Jordan and Belichick and that's fair that sort of like same with Tom Brady

too when he got out of the Patriots yeah yeah I mean that's fair let's see yeah so yeah there was Cory Dylan's game but actually as Tim alluded to Lawrence Moroni was kind of the star of this game he is he's 21 years old coming in this game his rookie season, and he's splitting carriers

with a 32-year-old to Corey Dillon, which is wild for running back to be still playing at 32. Yeah. Turns out that Lawrence... On a mileage on his tire to say he is the whole lot. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was the Bengals firm. I think there was one season on the Bengals that he

was the... He gained the most yards on the Bengals, like offensive yards, more than whoever the quarterback was passed for. Like whoever the leading quarterback was? Like he had more rushing yards than the leading quarterback had passing yards on his team. Fun fact.

I don't think I've ever seen before. What do you think is like high carries number is? Oh God. In the 400s? In a season. Yeah, probably close to 500. No. No, four something, though, right?

Actually, with the Patriots. Really? Really? Oh, 2004. 345. He did 340 in 2001 with the Bengals. Damn. That 04 season was 1,600 yards. Yeah.

It was borderline unfair. Also, his career high, yeah. Oh, yeah. 12 touchdowns also his career high. Yeah. That's because he was running against eight or nine men boxes for his entire time in Zanati because they had nothing else. Like go through the quarterback list.

on those teams. There is a one. But I can sort of see whether they're sulting. The year before, he's like 138 for 500 yards, and then comes back Pro Bowl, comeback player of the year. Well, you know, change the scene and he'll do that, right? That season of his entire career.

And what are the pages trade to get him? I don't think it was much, was it? I don't remember. Second round pick or a third round pick? Stat check that, Steve. Greg's not here. Oh, what is Greg? Where is my god?

Manlord. Dickhead. Yeah, well, Steve looks that up. We'll talk about Moroni here. He wore 27 in high school. Second round pick, 56 overall. Second round pick, yeah, it's pretty, I mean. That's a good return.

56. Yeah, for a Super Bowl. That's sort of like for a wide receiver in today's day and age, you know? Yeah, but yeah, you know, a guy that kind of looks over the hill, like he didn't play well the year before. I'm guessing he would. Pick 56 for AJ Brown? Yeah, sure. Probably would.

Tim? Um, yeah. I mean, I'm probably, second rounder. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck it. Yeah. That's fine.

Okay. It's not my draft. Exactly. Yeah. It's all good. I'm, it's not my money. Um, yeah,

but see me, Maroni. He, uh, he got his, they, they talked about how their, his high school retired his number 27 jersey,

which he apparently wore because of, he was a fan of Eddie George. I love that. Yeah, right? That's a good, that's a good player to be a fan of. Oh, yeah.

Um, and he, I guess he'd never talked to Eddie George before he's like they're like oh have you ever met him he's like no I really love to and then he's like but maybe you know if you guys talk about this on the game

you know maybe he'll give me a call and I think he did afterwards I think he heard from Eddie George after this game such a rookie move yeah Cory Dylan has more career carries than Lawrence Moroni has career yards

holy shit Wow. How long did he last? Was he only in the league like four years? Lawrence Roney played five years. So he played his whole initial contract? What round was he drafted? Moroni.

Was he your first rounder? He was the first rounder, yeah. But that was before the fifth year option, I think. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know if it was or not. Wow. First one, take? Mm-hmm. And he looked like it in this game anyway.

He looked sick. I remember, yeah, watching these early Marston Roney games, you're like, oh, yeah, baby. We have a lot of the layout, and we have their success waiting in the wings. Because he kind of looked like he has that kind of same build as Corey Dilling. He's a big guy, and he can run you over, but he's quick, too. He's got that burst.

Yeah, he's super explosive. Yeah, he had a big touchdown on this one. Yeah, he just outruns guys. Yeah, he actually had the longest Pat's rushing touchdown since 2002. in this game is a 25-yard touchdown run that he had and then he had another 41-yard run in this game

which is the longest Patriots play of the season so far for this offense Yeah I saw that one that was a good kind of wild Speaking of setting rushing career records though Tom Brady in this game

yes sets his career long for rushing a rushing attempt with a 22-yard run on third and something to pick up the first down, which it didn't look like 22 yards. Like you look at it, like, you know, if you see a running back run with 22 yards, like, oh, that's a great run. You see Tom Brady just kind of just look like he's kind of, you know,

ambling all along and then he steps out of bounds. Like, oh, it's 22-yard gain. I'm like, there's no way. I had to rewind it, Jack. But yeah, yeah, no, he runs for 22 yards in this. The longest rush of his career. You got to think this is his best rushing performance of his career as well. It's got to be, right? Yeah. I mean, it's his only rushing. It's like his eye in the single season is 110.

Yeah, 22 of that right here. It's a little play. Yeah. I mean, let's see. Does Brady have more rushing yards or interceptions in his career? He's a thousand-yard rusher. Tom Brady? Yeah.

He was eventually, yeah. Remember he had the whole thing he was going for it? And then he like, during the kneel downs. Yeah, yeah. He started push it for the, like push forward and then kneel down. So you wouldn't get the, you wouldn't get the negative yard. Yeah, that's right. I remember that.

Yeah, I think, yeah, he was a thousand yard, that's true. His yards for attempt on rushes is 1.6. Which is literally falling forwards. Mm-hmm. Because he's, I think he's probably about 1.6 yards tall. I mean, to be fair, there's, like, negative, there is a fair amount of negative rushing yards for Tom Brady for taking needs. Yeah, I wonder if you

took all those out what his rushing yards would actually be. I'm not going to do it, but you know. Yeah, good luck. I don't know. Like, last year, he has 29 attempts for negative one yard. Yeah.

That sounds about right. Yeah. Half of those are probably cube sneaks and the other half of kneel down. So they balance out one yard each way. 30 attempts for six yards. 2 per. Yeah. You think with all the work that he put in with everything else,

he would have figured out running, but man, I guess not. He's just a big goofy bastard bastard. My favorite thing was when he did the 40-yard dash recently, and he, like, had a better time. Like, he shaved his time off at, like, 40-something years old.

He was all proud of it, and I looked it up, and it was still slower than Vince Wilfork's 40 time. Wow. Yeah. uh like and like it wasn't particularly close either like it was like Vince Will Fork will beat Tom Brady in a foot race

so good times that's the athleticism we're dealing with here when it comes to Tom Brick running for 22 yards it's one of the longest highlights we have on the on the website oh where are you Tom um watching that

uh I'm watching the uh drive to get try to get Corey Delma a touchdown. Yep. I just watched the Brady

incompletion and it was like it was just bad. Yeah, it wasn't good, yeah. Yeah. But luckily it wasn't complete because then he does get as such a spoiler alert.

Speaking of incompletions, let's talk about the wide receivers on this this team right now, the ones that Brady said like even though they got beat the week before, he's like,

I actually feel really good about this team. Because they've got Doug Gabriel, which, look I thought he looked pretty good in this game this is one of those things

where that's like one of the few things I remember from this season is Doug Gabriel like showing up for a few games and all of a sudden

just kind of disappearing and you just never heard his name does no like oh he got hurt or he's not on the team he was still there he just like

stopped catching footballs all of a sudden I don't know what happened um so you have Doug Gabriel who had another touchdown in this game so he's got two touchdowns

and two games with the Pats compared to five touchdowns in his entire career with the Raiders which I think was like 42-ish games. So yeah so you know this is his breakout year

at least three games in, four games in and the other side you have Rishay Caldwell whose best play of the game was getting absolutely demolished by the Bengals safety in a play that would probably

I think it actually did get him I don't think I actually got the player rejected in this game but it would today is a hit that would get you ejected just straight up launching into the helmet of Rochay Caldwell completely defenseless you can see his head snapped back

and he hits like he's unconscious before he hits the ground and so they cut away to commercial pretty, quick after that. Like, they didn't even, they showed a couple replays and they're like, nope,

never mind. You think you would have seen it coming? I mean, I'm sure he had his eyes open, but he wasn't looking at that. He was looking up in a way. It's a thing to see like how those hits all like, when we started this thing.

Even now, they're decreasing pretty significantly. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, when you see it like even, but even the commentators, reactions to them are very different.

say like back 2001 they're like oh you fuck what a head and how they're like oh geez it's got the commercial you would think but even in this game at 2006 like oh oh jesus oh christ you know that's that's that's that's that's pretty illegal this is what they're trying to focus on like they're trying to get rid of this yeah this specific hit in this games that's what they're trying to get rid of um but then when they came back they're like oh yeah no you managed walk off by himself um and then moroni scored touchdown the very next play i think it's a 25 year a touchdown. And then the pace

get the ball back and first play of that next drive guess who's lined up out wide for she called well there's no way he knew even where he was

or who he was like he was just cold but he was back on that field I don't know if he made another catch I don't know if he ran the right route

or what but like he was back out though tough motherfucker I'll give him that Jesus um But yeah, it was a physical game in this, especially by the Patriots offense, weirdly. Kevin Falk on here made an absolute textbook tackle when Tom Brady threw his interception in this game. Like straight up, wrapped him up, shoulder through the stomach, and just like drove him to the ground.

Like, what was the fucking linebacker out there? And he stands up as 33 on his back. I'm like, no shit, okay. And then we obviously have Troy Brown out there playing defensive back. again as he does. This apparently they talked about how he took snaps at quarterbacker in the preseason this year. I don't know if any of you remember that.

I remember for some reason, that's like one of the things I remember from this season is they were interviewing Belichick before the game. Like, oh, yeah, we've got some things up our sleeve for this. I'm like, oh, Troy Brown's going to be playing quarterback or some shit like that. And that's what happened. You lined up and then got a false start

on the offense so he didn't get to make a snap. and then I think he had one handoff and then that was it. But he didn't play quarterback. He was the emergency quarterback, I think, on this team. And apparently the last time these two teams met, it was Troy Brown who sealed the game with his interception in the red zone, if you remember. So this is a typical Troy Brown kind of stat line,

playing defensive backs, taking quarterback snaps, and the reason the Bengals remember him is because he was the one with the game ceiling interception the week before. Commentators were all over it too. And now they're, oh, yeah. Yeah. Talk how old he is.

Oh, yeah. I have to imagine this is about the time where that, like, Dunks was doing the commercials with Troy Brown, about how he was, like, doing everything. You remember those? No? I don't remember those.

No. Oh, he was, like, like, like, like, Rob, or Kraft would like walk out in the parking lot. Troy Brown like cleaning his car and like, you know, getting into like all that. Yeah. It's like, yeah, Troy Brown just is everything.

So I think that was like, you know, the media push of like, hey, it's Troy Brown. He's the do everything guy. Yeah. And America runs on Duncan. Yeah. Yeah.

The Patriots run on Duncan. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The pages run on Troy Brown. Troy Brown runs on Duncan. Yeah, exactly. Nobody runs on Troy Brown. And this offense is, well, used to.

Now is the defense that runs on Troy Brown. And then Ben Watson had, I think, the best offensive pass interference call I've ever seen because he just took a running start at one of the defensive backs. I think of the nickel corner and just went straight through him. Like didn't even try to like hide it or anything. Just like went over and just like crush the guy. And I think it might have been thinking about, I'm not sure if I figured out of the time, but I think it might have been the safety that lit up for Shea Caldwell earlier.

it may have been retribution but it was definitely worthwhile it was a great it was a great hit we talk about how this is potentially the best game of chad jackson's entire career he gets 10% of his entire career yardage in this game what yep chad jackson oh chad jacson oh chad jac jac jac one carry 10 yards to catch his nine yards yeah he was he was there he did he had a couple catches. Is that really his, like, what's his career stat line? He has like 200 totally yards rushing in. Oh, God.

Jesus Christ. 14. 171. 14, oh, man. 13 of those coming in this year. Yeah, that tracks. So he has not quite one a game. And four carries for 22 yards.

Ten of those coming in this game. So he has three more carries for 12 yards. Not great. I think that's honestly why the receiver sucks so back because he was less. He was a second round pick maybe? Yeah, yeah.

It was more than him. Yep. Which everyone's like, you know, pages are reloading on office. This is it. You know, they got their defense back. They got Bruskey back. Rodney Harrison's back.

Like, defense is fine. And it was. It was amazing in this game. Rodney Harrison playing like Rodney Harrison, Teddy Bruskey, obviously. Mike Wright playing, I think, nose tackle or, you know, interior defensive line where the fuck you want to

call it, um, who was actually a walk-on at Cincinnati, um, university and was actually, you know, playing his, he was one of the reasons that the patients were able to stop the run

in this game to prevent the bangles from doing what they did. Um, Roosevelt Colvin, um, almost had himself a pick six on a wide receiver screen. Drivers green is three sag like, this is like a solid defense. Trivia question. Oh boy. This is a tough trivia question for Patriot Sins,

but who had the, worst rookie year. Jalen Polk or Chad Jackson? Jalen Polk. Yeah. Tim? Polk. Polk was 12 for 87. Chad, 13 for 150. Yeah. So just barely. They're close. They're close. Very close.

Well, it's looking around picks too, right? Yep. At least Chad got at least another shot with Denver in 2008. How do you do? One catch 19 yards. the story's not done on Polk he's on the yeah pretty sure he's with the saints right now so yeah so yeah

he might you might you might pull a Cory Dylan and you know resurrect himself but speaking I don't know well here here's a you know not everybody who starts off struggling ends that way

another young guy I don't know if this is a rookie season or not I don't remember anymore because it's been so fucking long since we've done one of these but Stephen Goscowski in this game misses his first field goal attempt which combined with the fact that he had two field goals

blocked the week before means he is now currently on an over three Schneide before he finally connects from 24 on a chip shot to start the fourth quarter which gets them off the Schneide as Chris Burma would say but yeah

this is with a year yeah first of a 15 year career right really sure he's now the leading point score in Patriots history, I believe. And he has a record that will never be broken. Do you know what it is? Extra points. Correct.

Consecutive extra points. He had like 400, something like 400, something like that, three or 400 consecutive extra points without missing. Which, you know, obviously most of those were before they moved it back to the 30. So it'll never be broken because I don't care. I don't care if you can hit a 70-yard field, but you're not going 400 for 400 on extra points from 30-yard. We'll see how long they even Keep kicking in football

This is an extra point This year apparently Mm-hmm Yeah And he doesn't miss again until 2016 Right Really really Wow

He misses three He misses three in 2016 Yeah this was this year was It was rough I remember it being rocking And thinking oh fuck Like This is what you get

For letting Adam Finitari walk Yeah And then he just like settles And he's fine Yeah 77% field goal this year Yeah career is 86.

Yeah, his career is better. I think we figured out his career field goal percentage was better than Adam and Tertries. Yeah, you guys had that whole debate when you tried to replace me with Connor. Yeah. Well, Connor tried to replace you with Connor. Right.

And you aren't available to to interject, so we let him run it for a couple times. Should have stuck with Connor. No, I don't think so. Should we talk about the Bengals? Anybody want to talk about the Bengals? I'm talking about some Marvin Lewis.

Sure. Yeah. Is Marvin Lewis the most mediocre coach in NFL history? Because I know you have, who's the guy for the Rams? Oh, Jeff Fisher. The 9 and 7 Jeff Fisher. I think Jeff Fisher was the most. I mean, he was like, even the media was talking about Jeff Fisher's mediocrity when he retired.

That's true. But I mean... It's super close of like an even 500. record when Jeff Fisher retired? I think, yeah, I think it was very close. What's Marvin Lewis? It's got to be less than that. Yeah, he got, he had some dog shit seasons.

Yeah, and he never had like, I don't think he. And he never brought a team to the Super Bowl. No, no. So I would say it's Marl Lewis over Jeff Fisher. Yeah. Because even coming in this game, they're talking about how he had lost his last five home games against teams with a winning record. Even with this, you know, like,

He seemed like he usually has some pretty stacked teams. Like, it looked like they can put a good team together, at least in this kind of era. I don't know. They were good Madden teams. Right. Exactly. Madden ratings. Yeah, exactly.

To not translate. But he just doesn't run a tight ship, I don't think. He's like one of those, like, Pete Carroll when he's with the Patriots sort of deal, you know, I hadn't figured out the balance of, like, being a player's coach while also, like, not taking shit. So you've got, you know, like, we're talking about the issue with Chris Henry of, like, not, you know, staying out of trouble. And like this team had so many deadball penalties on offense, like delay at games and, you know, fall style, like just so many.

They got an undiscipline team. Yeah, they got 12 men in the huddle penalty on their first huddle of the second drive. Because they were running this, a slow, no huddle where they'd rush to the line. Everybody, like, gets set up. But then they would like, like, every once in a while, they'd snap it real quick if the defense wasn't ready. But then, you know, they would call the play from, the line most of the time.

And so it was, you know, like they did that right out of the gate and just like the entire first drive like drove straight down the field with it. And then the page is like adjusted. And so they finally like, I don't know, through any completion or something. And as soon as they get no huddle, like they have 12 guys. It was like, how do you do that? Like you haven't even huddled yet. Now the first time you do, you have 12 minutes.

No, no. And then every time they had a kick return, it got called back for penalty. every single time. Punts, kicks, didn't matter. Always get called back for our holding or block in the back or something. I have an update on the Battle of the Mediocrity. Oh, give me. It's actually pretty close. I thought it would be.

Especially if you take, so Marvin was 16 years in the Bengals. Yep. And Jeff Fisher was 17 years at Houston, Tennessee. Yeah, so they're pretty even. Because he was a Houston Oilers. Yeah. Yeah, Tennessee Titans, yeah. Then he coaches five more years for the Rams than similar, St. Louis to L.A.

So if you just take their 16, 17 years, then Jeff Fisher 542, Marvin Harris, 518. But then the Rams sucks bringing Jeff Fisher in 22 years down to 512, giving him the title. All right. Dinner's right. Oh, boy. You don't say hi to the podcast, Greg? What's up? Listeners.

This is your fourth co-host here. Just cooking dinner for our third call host. Somebody's going to keep your trains running, right, Tim? What does that even be? Yeah. It works on trains. No. Yeah, what did, what does him making dinner have to do with keeping the trains running?

Well, the analogy that I was thinking of is, you know, obviously the listeners won't be able to see this, but I'm wearing a NWO wrestling shirt right now. And Greg is our Scott Hall. He's the first one with the substance abuse issues. That's just not part of the NWO. He just started he's not doesn't appear on the shows. No one knows where he's at, what he's up to. It's just kind of the insane diva mentality that, you know, loses the, uh, listeners respect.

Amazing. And we have to like separate ourselves from him. Yeah, before it gets bad, before he's the Tiger Woods of the podcast. Yeah, before the scandal comes out, whatever they be. Yeah. Yeah, so there's some sort of now. Yeah, Steve, check that closet behind you. He doesn't any skeletons in there.

Yeah. Well, I'm going to eat dinner, but I'll do that after. Okay. Are you tagging out? Yeah. Dinner's right. Is Greg tagging in? No.

No. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's just. Yeah, that's great. Tim, you remember how I often say don't have brothers? This is why. Trust me, I got two of them. Yeah, same deal.

Suck. Me neither. Oh, go, Steve. Yeah. All right, Tim. Well, yeah, I think the last couple things

that touch on, did you say when Cory Dylan scored the touchdown that they threw the ball back? They did, yeah. Yeah, I didn't say that, but yeah, that's right, they did. They threw the ball back on the field like it's fucking like it's wriggly field and they're like checking the whole run ball back.

That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I think that's great play back. Like it's yeah. That gave me. That's how you have to do it.

Yeah. Yeah. Because any other crowd is going to keep that ball. But like yeah, that just tells you how they felt about it. Like not all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what. Well, I mean, imagine being that person like you're a Cincinnati fan. You're like everyone in your section's like throw that thing back. Don't you dare fucking keep that. If you don't throw it back, when you punch you in the face, take it and throw it back for you.

Yeah. And then I was, did you mention that? This was the game Brady through the butt pass, right? No, that was actually the last time they played. Okay.

It was the previous game, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, because they show that in the pregame highlights. Okay. In this game, he has the 22-yard run. Okay.

Yeah, he's always doing something interesting against the Bengals. Always, yeah. But yeah, this was actually, Yeah, we didn't actually really touch on it when the brothers were here. But this was, they finished with 226 yards. No, they ended up with 236 on the day, like combined rushing yards.

And that was actually good for ninth overall for Belichick Patriots team. Oh, wow. Right. Which, like, that seems great, but also, like, ninth? Like, they have eight better games rushing than this. because 236 is no joke. Like, can you think of I'm having to...

I know the, definitely the, one of the games against the Colts with Jonas Gray. He had 300, himself. Right. Yeah, that was probably 2014. Is that not right?

Yeah, something like that. 4220. Yep. That was number eight, actually. 246 yards. Oh, wow. Okay. Yep.

I don't know. There's one team on here three times. one opponent on here three times um was a bad and a divorcey bad rushing defense uh it's gotta be in the the browns

no no no you're on your track but um not a defense that I think you would necessarily think would be a bad rushing defense just a bad team in general the Patriots tend to have their number uh man I don't know why I'm trying to blame the Colts

Is it the Colts? No. No. I mean, the Colts are on here. They're 8th and 10th. But it's actually the Buffalo Bills. We're on here three times. Oh, wow.

Patius ran for 273 yards in 2018. That may have been the win game, right? Where they just didn't. That's 47 rushes for 273 yards. So it was at the 2018. Yeah, yeah, I believe so. So I think that was the Mac Jones game, right, where he didn't throw a pass? Yeah.

That feels right. Yeah. Um, let's see. No, that can't be right. No, that can't be right. No, no, no. That had to be like a, no, Dean Lewis. That was a, that had to have been James White.

Sony Michelle. Oh, yeah. Sony Michelle, 18 carries 116. Cordell Patterson, 66 yards rushing. James White 41. Rex Burke had, Philip Dorset had two carries for 13 yards. Oh, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, 2018.

Page 1, 2412. Okay. Must have been a weather game. And then they're on here. So yeah, so there's that one. And then in third place was Buffalo again in 2013. When they ran for 267 yards on 43 carries. So that had run, Ridley, Verene.

That was Blunt. Legerat Blunt, 24 carried 189. Two touchdowns. And then Stephen Ridley 12 carries 74 on top of that. Okay. And Shane, Vareen, two carries three yards. and then in seventh place in 2020 12 they ran for 247 yards on 40 carries

and a 52 28 win in Buffalo where holy shit Stephen Ridley 22 carries 106 yards two touchdowns Brandon Bolden 16 carries 137 in a touchdown that's yeah that's that's somewhere in his house

like, you know. Yeah, yeah. That's a game ball right there, right? Yeah, yeah. Brandon Bolton. So, yeah, the Browns just get run over. And then Denver on here twice, which Denver? That's a little wild too, I think.

I think one of those games had to have been a Tebow game. 2008, maybe? No, 2012. Yeah, that's that game. That sounds familiar. I think you're probably right. No, it's a Peyton Manning game. That's 2012?

3121. Stephen Ridley again Jesus, Ridley's on here a lot 28 carries 151 for Ridley Bolden 14 for 54 Woodhead 747 Jesus

Yeah, Peyton Manning threw for 337 yards and three touchdowns no picks and still lost 31 21 21 Wow Damn, yeah I guess that 2012 2013 team

was a We'll get to that You know Probably a decade from now But Well, We're on a race Now that we're on like a 20-year

pace. I think we'll be, hopefully we can get through the 2006 season before 2026 is over. Not looking good since we're only on week four. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think that's just about all I have.

Yeah, the only other thing that I would add was I loved, this is like a pretty good Daniel Graham game. If you like Daniel Graham, he like, knocked a guy out when he was running out of bounds. He just knocked him out of the game. The guy was like, yeah, no, I'm all right. He was like, actually, no, I'm not okay. And he just went down and he was out.

Yes, absolutely. And he caught a touchdown too. Hell yeah. Oh, I have one more. They showed a stat on here. The last player to run for a touchdown against the Patriots. It's been a long time. this page's run defense has been

fucking stout. It was the punter in this game. Kyle Larson on a fake field goal in 2004 was the last rushing touchdown the pages have allowed. Wow. No fucking wild. Yeah.

When you think about it two years ago. Like a guy like Jarvis Green is like someone that will always get lost on the shuffle like unless you're a true Patriot fan. But like he had a really strong like you know like three four year run with them and this was probably his peak

I think yeah yeah and he he's just a monster I mean this game he had three sacks and one of who was strip sacks for a fumble and which he recovered like took the ball out of Carson Palmer's right so yeah I mean that's as a defensive lineman like an interior defensive lineman like he shouldn't be getting those numbers yeah and the thing is is like between him Will Fork and Seymour. Like, yeah. That, that's the one thing about the salary cap and, you know, everything that is just so unfortunate.

Like it's, you'll never have those, uh, iconic like names of like defensive, like the purple people eaters. Yeah. You know, the steel curtain. Yeah. If you can keep that, that those three together for,

you know, their careers, 10 years. Like that's even, even like five. or six. Yeah, that's record setting stuff.

Yeah, that's a dominant, dominant group. And it's just unfortunate, like that, you know, I'm glad that they get paid and that they're doing

what they have to do and make their lives better. But at the same time, it's just like, yeah, it's just, he's a guy that people, like,

probably don't think twice of, but when you watch a game like this and see how he can, he was able to take it over in the Patriots defense at times, especially in the playoffs. Like, yeah,

he was a four, course we reckon was. He really was. Yeah. Yeah. And like you said, he's one of those guys he gets lost in the shuffle too because he just, you know, with all the other big names you hear that kind of probably just did the same as him just for longer or or drafted higher or whatever it was. Or you, they're guys that are just like those guys that stay for a cup of coffee that have like, you know, one good season with us, but then we just move on because it's about the system and not the player. Yeah. Mike Wright, for instance. Yes. A perfect example. Yeah. Yeah. Or like we had a couple

like Anderson Mark Anderson Yeah And Andre Carter Wasn't he that Yeah And Andre Carter Yeah

And they're like They had great seasons But it was just You know They were on the back end of their career And you know They did it to get the payday For the next

Yeah Or just a shot at a ring Right Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Exactly yep

Yeah All right bud You want to do Some best and worst Oh yeah you go first and I'll think of mine. All right, let's see. I think my best is the one thing we didn't talk about

was Kevin Falk's punt returns in this game. He had two big ones. One set up the touchdown along with Rochette Caldwell's Hospital Ball. And then he also had another one that I think got called back for holding or something like that. It was like tiki-tag. But like he looked quicker than I even remember him. And this is 2006.

It's not like he's peak of it. his career either. Somebody was still doing it. And he made that textbook tackle too, which is legit. And also, the Patriots, they show that they had not lost back-to-back games in over three seasons. That would continue in this game, too, which is awesome. And my worst, I think, is having us to Michael Felger in this and seeing that he was, even before his radio time, he was still that kind of dickhead hater, who, at least at the

in the um after where after this he uh like they they showed the post game show and he was like eating crow he's like yeah i thought it'd be a blowout but i think it'd be this way so i guess i got that wrong like yeah you fucking did yeah as a uh you know long time palmer man's listener uh i can i can respect his at least um ability to admit when he's wrong i guess it doesn't stop him from trying to be wrong from doing it again over over. Yeah, but he knows what he's doing. Oh, yeah, he's doing on purpose now. Yeah, of course.

All right, what about you? So I would say my worst is, what did I settle on? I think, yeah, it would be Chad Johnson's hair. It's just a weird sort of Mohawk. Oh, yeah, it was kind of like crescent moon? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's strange. I'm not a fan of it.

And then my second worst would be just watching Never Shake all with it. That was tough. That was bad. Yeah. As far as my best, I would say, huh, what I say is the best. I'll go with Jarvis Green and just his ability to do what he did.

And then wreck that game, yeah. Yeah, just to be a game wrecker. And then I would say remembering that like that how old was I at that time? 13, that 13 year old me being like

holy shit Lawrence Moranian is legit. The second coming of Yeah, like Corny Delo. Justified first round pick like the Pats are up like you know

here comes another Super Bowl. Oh yeah. That's what it felt like, didn't it? Yeah. Yeah. With like it seemed like the wide receiver started getting it together? You're like, okay, yeah, they got something here. The run game's amazing. They've been for 230-something yards.

Yeah, the offensive line. Yeah, the offensive line looks really good. Like, yeah, and it's another thing where it's like, yeah, we took, you know, Doug Gabriel from the Raiders and, you know, we're just going to turn chicken shit in the chicken salad real quick. Yeah, yeah. You still got Ben Watson and, you know. Right.

Yeah, Daniel Graham. Yeah. Who, you know, that you line those guys up wide too. And, you know, you got to count. I'm Falk lining up as a wide receiver, like, split out wide and, you know. That's where it's just like, that's,

that's where Belichick must have been so in his bag of just like, anything I do, like, I'm a god. Like, I'm a god. Yeah. Everything that I put together just comes out,

smell like fucking roses. Yeah. And he had no reason to think otherwise until like the end of this season. Mm-hmm. And then all that did was have him reload with, a team that would be the best offense in the history of the NFL. Right. So yeah.

Yeah. It's like, oh, you need some wide receivers? Okay. We'll get you a couple. How's Welker and fucking Moss? Will that do you? Is that enough? Yeah.

Okay. And to think about it, like, I wonder, I'll be interested to see when we go over that, like, what those Globe articles look like, because I don't think they were being predicted like that. No. Actually, if you profile that wide receiver core, yeah,

it's a Welker who's like what? He had a decent game against us. But it wasn't even offensively. Yeah, it was. Right, it was all over. He was a special teams guy. Yeah. Yeah, it was a Swiss Army knife.

Yeah, exactly. And then kick returner and yeah. Yeah, then you have a disgruntled moss. And then you have a Dante stalwart who was like basically a carbon copy of Doug Gabriel. Like, yeah. What are you? really expect him out of yeah he's what he's what you thought

Chad Jackson would be right yeah yeah yeah just a burner and yeah and that was about it yeah but and but the rest is like the rest of this team like offensively feels the same right you've got your you got Lawrence Morone you get your offensive line you've got you know your tight ends

like it's all the same right so yeah I mean I think it'd be interesting to see just how this progresses with this offense especially the wide receivers in this season and then like being able to compare that like knowing what's coming up in 2007 yeah i'm going to be interested to see how this offensive line holds up because obviously i don't

really remember anything but yeah 2006 is like a black hole isn't it yeah it really it does get you just remember that chargers game really and yep and the colds heartbreak yeah yes yeah yeah and that's better yeah so i because the commentators i do remember them saying like yeah their offensive line is like so in sync if you're tired of a couple of plays you run off someone's coming right back on so yeah yeah yeah because they have um who they have in they had uh

Wesley Britt starting at right tackle yes and he's a rookie I think uh no I think it was uh he was splitting time with Nick Casher um okay rookie and so yeah but everybody else was like kind of solidified at this point because I think they started

two rookies last year or something like that um on the left side. Something like, yeah. And so, yeah, this is, like, the office of lines starting to get it together. So, like, yeah, it's looking like your typical Patriots offense minus the fact that you have any wide receivers. Yeah.

So, yeah. So next week, the Patriots are back home against the Miami Dolphins. Who's the coach on that? Nick Sabin's Miami Dolphins. Yeah. interesting. Like Malarkey and Don Capers running the offense and defense. So we'll see what that looks like next week.

Next time. I'm not going to say next week. Next episode on the Patriots Dynasty podcast. See you later. See ya. Turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg is on the Patriots Dynasty podcast.