Patriots Dynasty Podcast - 2006 Week 7: Patriots at Bills

Episode Date: May 19, 2026

In this episode, Andy, Steve and Tim attempt to do something that hasn't happened on this podcast in a LONG time: 2 consecutive weeks of recording. And they even brought a guest! The boys are joined by a Bills fan who bravely shares stories of stadium gin and heartbreak, proving that being a member of the Bills Mafia is basically just a slow descent into madness. It’s a glorious mess of nostalgia, bad coaching, and questionable life choices.Best and Worst* Andy  * Best: Watching Vince Wilfork bat down a pass (the birth of "Air Vince").  * Worst: Reche Caldwell showing just enough promise to keep us disappointed.* Steve  * Best: Tom Brady deciding to simply target Troy Brown on third down.  * Worst: Reche Caldwell dropping a perfect touchdown pass in the red zone.* Tim  * Best: The "two-headed monster" graphic of Corey Dillon and Laurence Maroney.  * Worst: Aaron Schobel being a legendary sack leader against Tom Brady.* Matt (Guest)  * Best: Willis McGahee grinding out 120 yards of offense.  * Worst: Rian Lindell missing two field goals in terrible conditions.We want to know what you think of our podcast (no, seriously!): http://bit.ly/patriotsdynastypodcast-surveySupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/patriots-dynasty-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This is Christine Brown. And while I have to listen to this podcast, as my motherly duty, you have the choice not to. My sons sometimes say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny. But really, they're just being stupid. You still want to listen? Go right ahead. I am not your mother. All right.

Welcome back to the Patriots Diocese podcast. The only podcast we're watching every game of the Patriots Diancy era, slowly but surely. But we're actually recording two weeks in a row for the first time in probably. year. So we're back at it again pretty quickly. So I don't know if you boys even remember last game, but I kind of do. With me this week, we have Steve Brown. Steve, how you doing? The Reliable Brown Brother. As always, I want to go on record that it was my text that said, are you recording this week? That is very low bar, Stephen. The Reliable Brown Brother? Jesus, the tallest midget. Good for you. The award is in the mail.

We also have Tim Turn, who is paying full attention to the podcast and definitely not driving at the moment. How are you doing, Tim? I'm doing wonderful, Andy. How we doing? Oh, you know, living the dream. And Steve has somehow convinced yet another person that he has a work relationship with, apparently, to join the podcast and find out who he really is. Steve, do you want to introduce your guest there, bud? Yeah, this is Matt.

I actually don't even know him that well. I just met him, like, two weeks ago. but you know anytime you get a true believer Bill's fan they just sort of identify themselves right away so I said you know what Matt

come on get some punishment let's see it yeah yeah I mean I live in this like this terrible this terrible time like where

you know I used to so my family had bills tickets from 1980 until the year before we drafted Josh Allen. So it's gone to a lot of those games, but I was kind of too young to remember when they were really good. And I've only kind of seen them struggle.

And now that they're good, I've only really known heartaches. So it's a very interesting paradox to live in. Yeah, that's a rough time to have season tickets. Well, they're probably pretty inexpensive at that point, right, from those at that time from there. Yeah, I mean, my dad and his drunk buddies picked them up one night just because they were starting to get good and they figured it would be a good time to, you know, to hide out from their families once a week, eight times a year or more.

And they did it. And then, you know, as a writer passage, I kind of aged into going with those guys and they were all terrible role models. I mean, in True Bill's Mafia form, I mean, my dad's friend had me bring in, like, what we would call it Stanley now full of gin into the stadium when I was probably like 10 years old. Yeah, that sounds like the old Foxborough Stadium back before they tore it down because the toilets wouldn't flush. Yeah, that's a good upbringing. Yeah, that's the way to be. Life lessons. Yeah, exactly. So terrible Romano's terrible product for a lot of it.

Yeah. What was your, let's say, strongest memory? at the stadium? Well, I was at the game where we had just, I think we had just got Drew Bloodsoe. We had, I think lawyer Maloy came in, like, really late. And I was at that game, and, like, we had no expectations at all. Like, we probably actually had this beat once again. And they come in and just, like, play the game of their lives.

So, you know, in a sea of heartache, like, that game stands out as, like, one of the good times. we don't care about that though Matt worst time so I was that I was the worst time was probably

we were just on the cusp of making the playoffs and we only had to beat Pittsburgh's third team and Willie Parker came in and he looked like a fast Jerome Bettis and just eviscerated

a really good Bill's defense just eviscerated us at home in the snow with everything on the line and we want to home heartbroken once again missed the playoffs wow it was the third team that's all we have to do

yeah and present of all the the heartbreak that the bills have suffered lately that's the one that was a pretty deep cut I like that that is a deep cut I think you're gonna say that Super Bowl where you got waxed by the Cowboys that was that's kind of before his time though I was I was telling Steve I was telling Steve about well that's that's a good point so here's here's another

fond of Bill's memory right so So the 92-93 season, before the year starts, okay, you pick a team, I'll pick a team. If they go to the Super Bowl, I'll get tickets. So the bills had been back-to-back years. He went with the bills for the three-peat thinking, okay, there's no way. I'm off the hook just by picking them, right?

And for some reason, I was like, I'll pick the Cowboys. This is 92. I was like nine years old. I have no idea why I picked the Cowboys. I must have known that they had like a mountain of cocaine that they could, you know, Netbat throughout the year and fuel this Super Bowl run. But so sure, shit, the playoffs are heating up. And my dad's like, oh, shit, like, I'm actually going to need to get tickets to this thing.

So they both make it. And now he's really on the hook. But he found he got tickets. It was the year it was in Pasadena. So we flew out to L.A. I'd never been to L.A. Had this magic weekend with my dad. And it was like one of the first Super Bowl.

I think it was the first Super Bowl where they had a lot of fanfare leading up to it. Like the week of Super Bowl was like a big to do. that year, starting that year. So we soaked that up, had the time of our life, got to the game, and they lost, what was it, like, 52 to 10 or something? Yeah, it was bad. So upside as I went to the Super Bowl, like lifetime memory, downside as we got absolutely destroyed.

I think that was the worst one. Upside was that Michael Jackson was the halftime show. Oh, shit. Which was really cool. Downside was that it was heal the world, Michael Jackson, not like thriller, eat it, Michael's one. Oh, man. So,

life of the Bill's fan. I was just going to say, yeah. Well, speaking of successful Bill's coaches, this is actually ties in with the game we watched this week,

which is 2006, Week 7 in Buffalo, New York, where it is Marveevee's first season as the GM taking over from who the hell knows.

And it looks like he brought in Dick Geron, and this is his first season as the head coach of the bills this year. And he had come from coaching the Bears for five seasons. It kind of mediocre is 35 and 45 over that. But he had, he was coach of the year in 2001 when the Bears went 13 and 3. They also went 8 and 01 score games, including back-to-back overtime wins. And I can think of another coach who actually probably had a case for Coach of the Year in 2001.

Um, so part of me wondering if that plays a factor in this game. Um, but maybe not. Um, but the look on Dick Duran's face every time they'll cut to him on the sidelines in this game, um, makes you think that he was not having, um, a coach of the year, um, experience in this game. He looked like surprised, which was weird because their bills are doing like classic bill shit. Yeah. Yeah. I got a sequence. First third down, pass. Nice pass. convert it up procedural penalty. They didn't get set for a second. Yep. Then they get a false start after that.

And it cuts to him. It's like, delay of game. Yep. What? It's like, yeah, of course,

dude. Of course they're going to double down on a dumb procedural penalty with another one. Oh, I actually have that written down too, but it keeps going because the next play, it was like third and,

like, I don't know, long, third and umpteen. And they throw a shovel pass to the only player on this offense who had any sort of, mojo whatsoever, Willis McGehy. And he goes for 56 yards. And so everybody's so excited that

they have to call a timeout to prevent another delay of game, which is what the first penalty was, because they didn't get the playing in time. And then coming out of the timeout, they try to do a trick play where they line up, I don't remember which receiver it was, in the Wildcat, and it gets stuff for minus one. I love that, springing the Wildcat out of a timeout.

Classic. Nice move. Yeah, nobody saw that coming. No. No. No. No. So tough day for the bill's offense, which kind of par for the course in these like early

mid-2000s Buffalo Bills. But their defense, like Steve said, was kind of top 10 in the league, I think. They were lights out for a long time. Even after the Super Bowl run, like the defense was in really good hands. Wade Phillips was there. We could have just kept Wade Phillips all along. Probably should have. He showed back up in L.A.

They absolutely should have. I mean, they probably could have capture on to. They were, what, 7 and 9, I think I saw in 2006. So, like, they were probably right there despite having J.P. Lossman at the helm. Right. Yeah, I mean, the quarterbacks are always an issue in Buffalo. I think there was some, I think I looked it up a while ago.

and I think the Tom Brady I think had third most wins quarterbacks playing in Buffalo in the history of the Buffalo in the history of the Buffalo Bills and then everybody

I mean it's like Jim Kelly and then who is the guy from like way the fuck back in the day Jack Camp probably yeah yeah so like that and then then Tom Brady and then just like a list of no names I think Josh Allen is climbing that list pretty quickly but still I think Josh Allen is back

He might be. But, yeah, I mean, they actually had a good draft this year, too. They drafted Dante Wittner, who we talked about in the season opener, literally, officially changed his name. He dropped the H in Wittner. He changed his name to Dante Hittner. He did that legally changed his name on his certificate. So we're playing Dante Hittner because he got called for so many hits.

They also drafted Kyle Williams, a defensive tackle from LSU. in the fifth round, who was a pro baller for them too. So, solid draft, but both of those guys, defensive guys. They actually drafted just about, they drafted two offensive tackles and an offensive guard in this draft. Everybody else is on defense, which, you know, interesting approach, considering your quarterback is J.P. Lawson, but, you know, what are you going to do? Yeah, they have, like, well, I feel like they're running.

That's probably decent. Yeah, they've always had, you know, Willis McGehy and who was the other... They had Travis Henry before him, who was a pretty good, he was a true three-down back and pounder. I mean, he had 13 years there, and I think... And then it was Marshall Lynch after that, right? Lynch was there, yeah, I mean, he didn't want to be there.

He didn't want to be there, but... Fred Jackson... Well, it was a good skill guys, and good defenses. And back quarterbacks is all. It's literally everything but the quarterback, it feels like. Yeah. We had a young Jason Peters that left tackle that, year. I mean, you know, like

the defense alone was probably good enough to carry him. Ticchio Spikes was there. Yeah. London Fletcher. London Fletcher was there. Aaron Schoble. Shobel is the one that you always think about as a Patriots fan to be like you have to watch out of him.

Yeah. He would just demolish Matt Lee. Yeah. Yeah. Multiple size of him. Yeah. He had a tough assignment, dude. Yeah. He made them look really good. One or the other. Well, he just struggled with speed guys. Aaron Chobel is that kind of like smaller

defensive end who just used speed kind of all the time. Yeah. Yeah, that was a really good defensive line and front seven was pretty solid overall, especially with a young Kyle Williams in there and... Exactly. Yeah, rookie power. I feel like they

had a decent one, two for their corners, right? Was McGee... May Clements was there? Yeah, Clements and McGee. Oh, Clements. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make Clements was a really good corner. He moved a safety and was also very effective later in his career. I think maybe out of San Francisco or something, but yeah, I mean, it was a good young team

except for the quarterback. Well, and I guess the receivers are pretty old at that point, too. Peeler's Price and Eric Molds were probably pretty old and beat at that by 06, I would think. Yeah, it wasn't great. Yeah, Lee Evans led the team. A Lee Evans, yeah. Yeah, 1,200 yards, eight touchdowns. So pretty decent.

Josh Reed was second on the team with 400 yards and two touchdowns, which, actually compared to the Patriots in 2006 like this is what they're known for as they're receiving woes they made a comment the commentators made a comment about how Ben Watson was leading the team in reception so far in week seven

and anybody want to guess top five who the leading receivers end up being on this Patriots team Oh it's a good one Ben Watson Cory Gillen Ben Watson number two Hawkins too Roshay Caldwell, I think

Chalwell was number one, 61 catches, 760 yards. Was Jabbar Gaffney there at that point? He might have been. He came in at the end of the season, actually. So he was an ice on his list, but yeah, he does come in at the end of the season, and then six round in 07. Kevin Falk, maybe?

Kevin Falk was number four. There you go. Your fourth, Troy Brown, number three. Troy Brown, yes. And then number five, Doug Gabriel. 25. I was going to say, because I talked about Gabriel, but I thought that we said that his run went kind of short,

so I didn't think he would make it. Bill, he gets 25 catches in that run, and that's it, the 345 catches, and he's the fifth of the team. I think Doug Gabriel is like a legendary athlete. I think Doug Gabriel was like one of those guys that was supposed to be the next thing and just never for injuries or whatever. He was big, and he was quick, yeah, but just putting quite a hole on the ball. I think his route running wasn't particularly.

He never seemed to be on the same page as Brady, way. You could say the same with Rashae Caldwell. I mean, in this game, it was, it felt like Brady was, would try to find Caldwell, try to find Gabriel and then say, fuck it, I'm throwing at Watson or Brown on third down every time, which is kind of how that. It's a shitty day too, right? Like, wasn't it rainy? Yeah, it was raining. It was, yeah, it was kind of, it was warm, I think. It was like in the 50s, but it was raining and just a little bit miserable.

There was nobody in the stands by the end of this game, which. Yeah, we were out of there. Yeah, Steve gets angry. We don't say the score. the Patriots win this one, 28 to 6. Didn't feel that close. I think the Patriots, let's see. They, the Bill's first four drives field goal, punt, fumble, interception, fumble. Patriots scored two touchdowns in the first two drives, punt to the next four drives,

and then two touchdowns after that. So it was like a bit of a slog. It was one of these things where the Patriots couldn't move the ball at all. I think they had, I wrote it down somewhere. it was rough. Like, not many yards. You 60-5. No, but there's like the,

in the third quarter they had like, or a second quarter, oh yeah, the bills out gained the Patriots 90 yards to seven in the second quarter. But the bills also had three straight. All three actually drives in the second quarter turned into turnovers, a fumble interception and a fumble.

So, I slipped up J.P. Lossman's season stats. He throws 19 interceptions and fumbles 13 times. Yeah, 13 doubles. Yeah, 14 interceptions, 13 bubbles. He gets three, like, three of them back, but. And 19 touchdowns. And 3,000 whole yards. It was so bad.

I don't know how the guy, Barmine ever fell off. with him and was like, oh yeah, like that's it. Like, we're trading back into the first round for him. I don't know. Yeah. I'd like to go back to that draft and see who else, you know, who else could have been there. I mean, that's kind of how worried. I mean, the thing is, like, I saw some, I don't know, some, like, stupid nerd video on

YouTube where they say that, like, there was some analysis done where, like, the two positions that aren't drafted enough in the first round are quarterbacks and offensive lineman, even though everybody drafts offensive linemen and quarterback in the first round, nobody's doing it enough. Like, you should just always take a quarterback and an offensive line in the first round because they're just so hard to hit on. And if you do hit on them, like the return on investment is massive. Yeah. And the economics now with the fifth year option, like you pretty much have to take a quarterback in the four. You'd be smart to at least. Yeah, exactly. But you get the option at least. Yeah. But you're right. I agree. I think you swing to you hit on that because the first

round is such a crapshoot, mostly bus. Yeah. I think that's kind of what you need to do is just like, I mean, if somebody, if something, like the Browns came out and just drafted a quarterback every round, I wouldn't be angry at that. Like, fuck it take your swing. Figure it out. And if it doesn't work this year, do it again next year until you find the quarterback and then build something around them.

Fuck it. Yeah. Right. I agree. We already have eight active quarterbacks on the roster. Yeah. I think we should be swinging at 12. That's when you start drafting offensive linemen.

It's one of the other, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they don't work out, trade them for someone. Like, whatever, you can get, you can get decent return for even backup quarterback, right? That's true. So you know. Just a side note, I am now starting to watch the game.

Oh, good. Thanks. That's exactly what we do. I don't even bother me. I just want the fans of the podcast to know how dedicated I am to this. So, yeah. Are you planning to finish the game after we're done here? No, I just keep watching it.

Are you just going to watch for like the next 45 minutes and then be done with it? I'm going to try to do my best guess to where I get the start of the, where I start. And the duration of this podcast, it ends right as we end. So I'm going to have to do a little investigation updates to come. No chance. All right. Let's talk about Will's McGeagie here a little bit more. Because coming into this game, he is the AFC's leading rusher.

and it seems like he was, like the way that the announcers were talking about him, he was like just all that the bills had in 2006. And I think they were, Dick Duran was quoted saying, like, we want to give him at least like 25 to 35 touches a game, which like in this day and age,

like, like I understand like Belcal backs, but just like coming to me like, no, we're just going to give him to him every play and see what happens. And he has 516, coming into this, but like he was averaging 3.9 yards to carry something, which, you know, it's more just

like volume over quality, but I mean, he's a good, good running back, but he was a fantastic back. I mean, I can vividly remember watching his knee get blown out in the college championship game. Like, yeah, I can still see it.

It was burned into my memory. Saddam for that poor young man, but, you know, he bounced back so well and became you know, a really good back. in the kind of, I can't help but think, like, yeah. I mean, what would he look like on a great team or, like, just, you know, if he didn't get hurt, like, how good was that guy? Yeah, absolutely.

Or maybe that signal that knees could be rebuilt and you could bounce back. And, you know, guys like Adrian Peterson could come back and lead the league after an ACL's there. I don't know if it was quite to that scale in fairness. But I mean, yeah, I think it was all we had. Definitely all we had. And a prolific fucker. I think Greg's already covered that on the podcast.

I think we did. Yeah. Yeah, that was that was Willis McGa? Ten kids, nine women. Travis Henry was prolific as well. I mean, he had like, he had a plethora. Maybe a baker's dozen even. I don't know.

I seriously think we had like a 12 kids or something. Greg had a whole top like a Mount Rushmore. Oh, yeah, he did. Didn't, did Cromarty ever play for the bills? Antonio Cromarty, he ever played for the bills? I don't think so. Because I was going to say that if he did, there's a common thread there. And it might just be there's nothing to do in Buffalo,

which isn't, wasn't that what McGay? he's excuse. He's like, what else is he'll do? Of course I have to. Well, I know Marson Lynch hated it there too. But like,

you know, the bars, it's not that bad. The bars are open until 4 a.m., which is like nowhere else, well, at least in western New York, that's like unique.

Oh, yeah. You're close to Toronto, which is a great city. I mean, Niagara Falls, there's like, oh, yeah. Plenty of Niagara Falls. Have you guys ever been there?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Don't go in the off season, though. I've been there in the off season. It's sketchy. shit. It's real sketchy.

Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. You got to really embrace Buffalo. You know, it's not for everyone, which I understand completely. Yeah, but to be fair, like, I think as a football player in Buffalo, like, that crowd gets out for games. Like, even this one,

halfway through the third, and you're, like, it sounded like a playoff game, even though you got J.P. Lothman out there, turn the ball over three times all by himself. And just like, it's true. Yeah. The fans are really good. I mean, I'm like, maybe you could say that about every stadium. I'm sure you guys have amazing fans. You've been pretty spoiled with a lot of success.

Yeah, you're surprised. Fans are good probably everywhere. But like, you know, the Buffalo fans are pretty high IQ. Like, you know, they may not have a lot of money in a lot of case, but they're spending it all on that team. Yeah, yeah. Which is just like, I mean, it's like a cult around here. I mean, you're saying Go Bill's like saying hello to somebody. I do. I do. I have. I've heard some interesting stories about the Bill's Mafia.

Like, I think I know a Patriots fan that got batteries thrown at them. Oh, cool. Which is, I mean, not cool. But, like, I mean, I still rocked at them. I mean, I've seen Patriots fans getting fights with Eagles fans at a preseason game. So, like, we are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the representation of a good, like fan base. And this is actually

the new and improved fan base too of Patriots fans. Yeah. Because like you said, they're, they're real soft now because of all the success. But back in the day,

it used to be real rough. Oh, I can all just agree that the Eagles are the worst, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was two women

in that thought that I saw. It wasn't men. Oh, yeah. That was the crazy part. Two women. They were the chosen ones. Yeah, one was from Southie. I don't get the Patriots fans

from Lynn. selfie. Definitely. Yeah, Ireland, yeah. Honestly, that's like a hell of a throwdown.

Like, I would probably pay to see something like that go. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I had a preseason game, too. I had a preseason game.

That's a thing. Like, it's insane. Yeah. No, the bills fit. And like, I have two young kids,

one of them I'm watching play baseball right now. Like, I haven't taken to that point. I haven't taken them to a Bill's game yet because it is really, really rough.

And maybe I'm like, you know, maybe I'm too soft at this point. But like, you know, I You got to get in that experience. How old are they? Yeah. Nine and six, you know. So they're like,

I'm carrying a, this is the fine, a gin. You know, the perfect age for the, yeah, the Stanley full of gin, exactly.

And anyone asks, this is water. I know. It's a right of passage. Yes. You got to hand the torch down. You will carry the gin myself. Just as your son will for you.

yes absolutely so matt i do have a question for you yeah if you could if you could give me a top five of your uh bill's quarterbacks who will they be because i feel like we're shitting on j p lossman a lot but i think he's actually like higher up there in bill's echelon over the last at least 25 years he's so that's that's a wild if that's like a true stats dude, it's just like so wild and demoralizing.

Yeah, like, I think, like, I think Josh Allen, Gann Homer, but I think he's the best player I've ever seen play football. Yeah, okay. He's really good. He's called state is made. There's only a few guys that have ever seen that can truly control a game. Like, you had one of them. We only can do it a little different.

Oh, for sure. He's better than, he's way better than Cam Newton was. he's bigger, he's faster, he throws better like, you know, there's no comp to me like I haven't seen it yet. It's like Elway but bigger. You know, maybe he should win something first, and then he can be Elway. Well, it took, hey. Yeah, so... It took Elway a very long

time, so... It did, yeah. True. I mean, the AFC's just so loaded. I'd feel like if last year wasn't our year, it's just the mountain gets taller each year with Burrow, Lamar, Mahomes, I mean, the list goes on. But to answer your question, like Josh Allen at the top, For me, I just love him. I wasn't like a big Jim Kelly guy because I always heard that he was a kind of a disaster

behind the scenes. And if he wasn't, we probably would have won at least one of those Super Bowls. I've heard the same thing. Yeah. I've really, like, a huge dickhead, too, from all the other things I know, yeah. He doesn't carry, like, an amazing reputation, like, you know, but folks that, like, are in the middle. Yeah.

So, but, you know, of course, he was a G and, like, he deserves that spot. He might be, like, a 1B. Wasn't old enough to watch Jack Kemp play, but, I mean, I suppose. opposed he belongs in that conversation just because it was so good. Yeah, but I mean, I'm talking just like what you've seen as a Bills fan.

I want you watching. I mean, because he was a lot of so for sure. Oh, Flutie. Fuck, yeah.

Yeah, dude. I love watching that dude play football. Oh, yeah. He would be, I think he could play

in today's game and be fairly successful. I think he probably would have. He might be better at today's game. Yeah, I think so. It's so much more

wide open, yeah. But Flutty for sure. I drew blood so I would put in that conversation. Yeah. You know, the last spot gets a little murky. How do you feel about Ryan Fitzpatrick? Yeah. He kind of like brought you guys

like he raised that barby a little bit. He did and he got a raw deal too. He's like well, I feel like we paid him and then kicked him out like surely there after. Sorry. Like, he had just a business.

If he had just stayed, that dude would be, you know, Circle of All of Fame, you know, Circle of Fame in Buffalo. Yeah, I guess Fitz, I don't know, I feel like he didn't play long enough, but he is kind of a legend there, isn't he? Yeah. Oh, nine years. He really embraced them as our own. All right.

Fun fact to support Tim's point. JP Lossman, 10th all-time Bill's passing leader. Yep. Not bad. Just ahead of Trent, Edward. words Rob Johnson, E.J. Manuel, Todd Collins, Kyle Orton, Alex Van Pelt. Oh my God. I'll take that, dude.

Yeah, well, sneakily on here at number seven is Tyraud Taylor. Yeah, I mean, he was the first one that led us back to the playoffs. I think he, I don't know if he won or lost in Jacksonville. It was like nine to three, but he brought us back. That's right. He was good. Yeah. Yeah. We've got. given some good guys raw deals, I feel like. Then there's just some really bad ones, too, and they're like, like, he just rattled up. Alex Van Pelt.

Alex Van Peltz. He was like a playing coach. Kyle Wharton, right? Did you guys strap? Yeah, they brought in Kyle Orton, like, the ghost of Kyle Orton late in his career. I think he had, like, a six-pack clip to his belt at that point. Or was, like, actively smoking a cigar in the huddle or something like that. Like, really?

I think, I think he seriously was, like, smoking cigars in the locker. We call that the Jay Cutler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Show it down call to play. Yeah. But to be fair, he played 12 games in 2014. He went 7 and 5. So, not sure.

Yeah, not bad. Good enough for 15th on the passing one. That's awesome. Oh, boy. I mean, Rob Johnson was, like, the biggest one of all. Because, like, Doug Fudy, that was his team. and like they were a they were a playoff team like a legit that was the music city miracle game and they like openly fucked him like and didn't let him start a game that he earned and like

would just arbitrarily put in rob johnson like what team would do that right now in the NFL i wonder jets like who who would do that yes the jets maybe the japs they'd have to get that far first fair yeah yeah yeah that's all look true yeah good point Like Brady gets you guys to the playoffs now. That's an extreme comp. Yeah, we're going to let Jim Sorgey take this one, I think. You're just throwing Bledso back in. It's like, well, that, I mean, that was the talk in 2001.

Well, that would have probably worked. Well, I don't know. I mean, he was good enough. The thing is, is I feel like Bledso was good at keeping you in it for the first three quarters, and then he will fuck you on the end. He'll do something. But Brady was good at, he could suck through the first three quarters. But if you gave him just enough time in the last like 18 minutes of the game,

don't do that because it really gives him a chance to prove himself. Yeah. When he feels like a note, don't fumble the kick off. You know, if he kicks, if you get it and you kick it off and all you got to do is take a knee and the game's over, don't take it out of the end zone and fumbling, give him a chance. Yeah. Don't do that. Remember that time you guys played the Falcons you knew you were way down?

the rings of bell I couldn't believe what I was seeing watching that game I remember my son was like a just born like newborn baby I was watching it with him and I'm like trying not to scream I didn't have a horse in the race I probably didn't want you guys technically but I was like after a while I'm like yeah

there's no way to pull this off yeah I remember right before the sack I'm like trying to do the math in my head I'm like well if they were to get a turnover here instead of like having the falcons run out the clock then maybe and then like the next play it happened like oh fuck no this isn't really going to happen is it we and gregor doing that in the Seattle Super Bowl that just happened oh you do it never get every game you're like well there's still a chance because I've

put enough Madden to know that if I score a touchdown here get the on-size kick and then do it again I'm only down by two touchdowns and there's still about four minutes left still very much alive exactly Brady or. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you guys,

I mean, you just could come into Buffalo when we were down and put this like vanilla milk toast game plan together. Kick our ass easily, you know, easy flight, wipe your hands clean,

fly back to Boston, like, you know, just like procedural ass kickings. I feel like we suffered those for, you know, over a decade and a half or more. I mean,

yeah. About right, yeah. Probably, probably closer to two decades. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's just one of those things where,

even in this game, the commentators made some remark about, um, I think I wrote it down. Oh, yeah, the second meeting, um, between the bills and the Patriots for the past three seasons

had all been Patriots blowouts. Like the first game was always close or in the case of, what was the 2004, the, the, um, or three, the,

the huge blowouts. blowout by the bills the 3-0-0-0 but Patrick's usually like the second game is always just like a laugher and this game wasn't particularly close either so I guess you called a blowout this game was out of the fourth quarter for sure but yeah it was

it definitely was 14 yeah I mean 126 you're so good you know if he saw it once you know you and you guys had such amazing personnel too like I mean your defense in those days was you know top three, I feel like every year.

Yeah, and this was, this was the year where, yeah, they had, it was the era where, like, the whole defensive line was just first-round draft picks. You had Vintel Fork, you had Richard Seymour, you had, who else is on the front there? Jarvis Green. Charvers Green's there. Willie McGinnis was still in the mess. Just like, yeah. Brayble.

Yeah, yeah, Brayble. And then on the, I think, I think McGinnis is already in Cleveland now. Is he in Cleveland at this point? Because we got Rosie Colvin. That's right. Rosie Colvin. We just got Junior Sayo. We still have Teddy Bruce.

He still have Mike Brable. Like you have an insane fun. Samuel's really coming on. He has a really good game in this game. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does.

Yeah, he does not do sameil for all the shit we've talked about him. Yeah, we do. He was like, he was legit good for a while. Yeah. He was all those guys that was always like, he's even get the inception or he'll keep up the touchdown. Yeah. You know?

It's both career where. where that that like nostalgia kind of washes over because he talks so much shit and it's just like as a homer that's just kind of your natural reaction yeah it's like brady braid he hasn't done himself any favors post post retirement you know in the adjutant yeah yeah he's a shut shut the fuck up is what he needs yeah i only care for what they do on the field and on this one like their lost minute it's like i think it was seven three and the bills are in the red zone maybe 143 and he just tries to throw an out route just doesn't have the arm strength at all

just steers him down easy pick yeah and it was like like he was on the right hash and tried to throw it to the left side line he just didn't have the arm for that like I'm watching Mac not like

don't throw it Mac don't throw it out oh yeah no we all saw that one coming but then you also had the very Buffalo-esque it's in the fourth court he's trying to make something happen And J.B. Law, you know, voids like two rushers in the backfield, takes off upfield, and then goes to jump out of the way of the umpire and drops the football and pays the floor. It's like, hmm.

First fumbled by the referee. Yeah. I wonder, I wonder whose pocket he was in. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, he announces like, how can your luck be that bad? Yeah. That was a reaction. Yeah. Sometimes you got to wonder. I wonder what the spread was and like how close the bills were coming to it. you know. Oh, God. Yeah, I mean, I'll see, what was a spread in this game? It was probably,

I don't know. Is that clear? It wasn't enough. Yeah, I know. They're so, it probably was like half or something. I mean, it couldn't have been

too crazy at that. That's by five and a half. And the over under was 37? They hit the under. That's very early 2000s football games. Hitting the under on 37? Nice. yeah yeah yeah when running back we get 30 carries

you guys you had the blessing of Corey Dillon late in his career and then who's another you had another great back late in Fred Taylor he did not play well for the page but yeah he was there he was at the very twilight but it was one of the things when I felt like Shaq we have we have Moranis and at this time he was a rookie this year yeah Lawrence Amory actually looking shockingly good better than I remember

He's looked awesome all the year so far. And he's returning kicks. I did not remember that at all. But he had one where he literally stole it out of Kevin Falk's hands. And then just like took off with it and goes like 60 yards. Almost returned. Time moves the sideline. Yeah.

But he's like, and so, you know, these kickoff guys are coming down trying to tackle him one-on-one. He just runs through them. Which makes you think, like, why don't they have more running back? returning kicks. I mean, they kind of do now with the new kickoff rules, but I'm surprised you didn't see that more often. Because it was, I mean,

you did see it back in the day. You know, Kevin Falk obviously returning kicks. We've seen Dionne Lewis returning kicks. You know, Sproles, I think. The Eagles team is a lot. Yeah, okay. So like,

um, oh, yeah, there's a couple. I remember, um, will Garrett Blunt returning kicks in the playoffs against the Colts one year. Imagine that dude coming at you on a kick return. Yeah, and he had so many guys.

It was in the rain, too. I'm just like, there's nothing I would want to do less than tackle Lagart Blunt who has a 20-yard head start in the rain, in the cold. Fuck no. That the Flakegate game, like, always pissed me off so bad because I was like, I watched every snap of that game, and it wasn't the soft ball. It was... The soft defense. The Garant Blunt getting 35 carries and just, like, destroying you for, like, three touchdowns

and 180. or whatever. Yeah, he could have done that with a beach ball. It didn't matter. Yeah, yeah, he was, he dominated that. He had nothing to do with the ball. Exactly. Stupid.

I love watching that dude play, though. I thought he was playing. Yeah, so right. Even when he beat us in the Super Bowl, it's like, all right, well. Yeah. I'm mad that some of these other guys did it, but not so mad that he was.

Yeah. Well, he's just like coming out of Oregon when he punched that dude, he totally deserved it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's right. I totally deserve that. So, like, whatever. But, you know, that was a,

Scarlet Letter he did not deserve for his, you know, the majority of his career. So I was kind of pulled for him, like, you know,

wanted him to be successful. We've kind of been learning a lot about those sorts of things, just from doing the podcast. Like, just we will do a deep dive on someone and realize, like,

this part we vilified was like, didn't deserve it. Like Randy Moss, so that's usually like a super chill dude, but just like, yeah, was kind of a weird guy. You know,

he lived in like an over 55 community just because he didn't want to be bothered. And just like kind of, you know, not exactly socially, he's a bit socially awkward, but, you know, because he was such a free athlete, everything was completely overblown. It's like, yeah, whatever it does. Yeah, it's got to be so hard. Like, just in general, I always think, like, in a celebrity,

like what that's like trying to go out to dinner, like trying to eat your spaghetti and meatballs and everyone's staring at you. Like, no, no thanks. Yeah, you can't eat that politely. There's no way. Like, it's spaghetti meatballs. Like, you're going to make a mess of that. That's going to have something to say about it.

Yeah, yeah. I can't believe he's there with his hands. What an asshole. I'm waiting for the Vrablin, Diane Rossini, spaghetti and meatballs photos to drop. Oh, God. Man, what a... Man, what a...

It's nice to see something negative, comma. She, I mean, what a discredit to her, like, industry, though, like, you know? Like, I can't say that stuff's not been happening probably for a while, but, like, wow. Yeah. That's really bad. she was a weird chick if you like

I would listen to her sometimes she would go on the sports hub and uh like she would say just bizarre things sometimes and I would just be like you just kind of looked at her with an awkward eye it's just like there's something weird about this chick so it wasn't like a total surprise

obviously I didn't want Frable to be caught in the middle of that but like yeah yeah yeah you know you can see it that there was something weird about it uh so is that just gonna blow over like, no, we should bring it back to this game.

And I'm just like, you know, as a walk, I'm just seeing like most career stats, uh, Sacks versus Tom Brady, Aaron Schoble, nine and a half right now. Jason Taylor, eight and a half. John Abraham and five and Sean Ellis four. Yep. So Shobel.

Aaron Shobo. He was a beast. He's the one that has the most career, uh, sacks against Brady with 14 as well, too. Yeah, yeah, he ends it with, yeah. Nobody's sacked him more. I've, uh,

I was met and hit balls. with Kyle Williams before. He's cool. He's a really good golfer. He's a member of my club, so I've seen him a few times, like, around training camp and then just, like, bringing guests through occasionally. But that dude is a block of a human being. Oh, my God, yeah. Like, he's, like, double as wide as me.

And shaking his hand is, like, shaking, like, a grizzly bear's paw. I imagine that's what Vince Wilfork is like. Just like, yeah, like, super friendly, super-hragic, but just like, this man probably could rip my head off my body. he wanted to. Like he physically has that capability. He won't. Yeah, that's another size of human being yet. I mean, Kyle Williams is like regular big, but then

there's Vince Wilfork. Yeah. Well, I think he's slimmed down now. Now he's not playing football. A lot of them do that. They just can't, they look completely different than what they used to look like. Oh, yeah. Joe Thomas was like Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because you just have to be that big to play on the line. Doesn't Vince Wilfork?

Yeah, just to carry the mass. doesn't Vince Wilfork have like a great barbecue joint somewhere? I feel like in Texas, he has something. Yeah, he was big into that, yeah. That's cool. Yeah. So we had some actually three rare rarity touchdowns in a row.

I was, yeah, I was going to bring that out. I was going to say when we're talking about Rainy Moss. I was like, speaking of Rainy Moss, Chad Jackson highlighted in this game, who was supposed to be the second coming of Randy Moss, gets his only touchdown of his career. Is that what we decided, Steve? It wouldn't surprise me, yeah.

I think he gets his... He plays 18 games in his whole career. Yeah, so he gets his only career touchdown. Oh, three touchdowns. Oh, it was all right? 35 yard in the back corner. It was nice. It was a good play.

A quality touchdown dance, too, I thought. There's some good touchdown dances in this game between him and Corey Dillon. Corey Dillon had a real nice one, yeah. Like a... precursor to the gritty. Yeah, it was, it was gritty-ish. I was thinking that. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit lower.

Yeah. It was nice, yeah. And then who else had a touchdown, Steve? A good time for Enzone celebrations. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is peak end zone celebration. This is the peak Chad Ocho Cinco. Yeah.

Ocho, he's changed his name quite yet, but he will soon. Yeah, oh, yeah. Joe Horn. Yep, yeah, with the cell phone. Oh, yeah. That was clutch. Sliding down the end zone post, too. That was awesome.

I love that. Yeah, Randy Moss mooning the, the Bertonee mooning the crowd in Green Bay. Yeah. My favorite. Love that. What are you going to Brady and Moss together? Imagine if you had that for 10 years. What would the record book actually look like?

I think they probably retire before 10 years because there'd be nothing left to do. Yeah, like what challenge there would there be? Because I think after 2007, if they have won that Super Bowl, I think Brady may have called it quits. I think that fueled a second coming. No way, dude. I think it fueled a second coming. You go off setting all those passing records and ending it with a perfect season

that nobody's done in an 18-game season. Yeah. Like, what else is there to do, literally? Dude's crazy. He's too much for a competitor just quick. Maybe, maybe. I don't know. The other touchdown.

That would have been amazing. One of his three touchdowns as well. Whose? Doug Gabriel. Oh, yeah, Doug Gabriel had a touchdown. It was a good ratio. 25 catches. Three of them were touchdowns.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was, yeah, one of his 25 catches for 300 yards. To be fair, Doug Gabriel in this game, how many catches did he have? Steve, you have it on there? Three for 45 yards and a touchdown. Because my note is, oh, shit, there he is. He finally gets a catch in the fourth quarter. And then, like, two plays later, he's catching a touchdown.

So, yeah. Yeah, come in bunch of more. Yeah. let's see what else oh another uh patience player in this game andre davis siding um in his uh just a cup of tea with the with the buffalo bills almost had a deep catch but you know he was playing about the same as he was on the Patriots the year before there was a Patriots player never heard of who that i saw and i just looked him up and he

played 41 games who Billy Yates oh yeah billyates from this is his rookie season. He's like a backup, back up, it's his third year. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, he's a guy. Oh, yeah, Billy, Ains. What? How do you not know who Billy Yeats? Yeah, they talked about him in this. They said he was a rookie in the game. No. All right. Yeah, 2003 by Miami. Didn't play at all in 2004. Mm-hmm. Oh, so it was mostly, yeah. But he starts with 14 games in his career. He's on the Patriots through 2008.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, he was just, He was like the swing guy that they would put in whenever everybody got hurt. Because. God damn, Yates. Yeah, because this whole, this is the time when the offensive line couldn't say healthy too.

And so they were cycling through guys and like, they even talked in this game. Nick Casher and Stephen Neal didn't make the trip. They were so hurt. And so they only had two backups and Billy Gates was one of them. So that he came in late in the fourth. Never heard that fucking guy. Oh, interesting.

you guys always had such great offensive lines too like I feel like your scouting department just always came up with good with hits and I think it was uh the secret weapon was probably the um offensive line coach um Dante Scarnacia was just it didn't matter who you put in there yeah he's a legend yeah like they brought in step and Neil who wasn't even a like a wrestler right exactly yeah he was a wrestler in college and they were like yeah we can teach him out to play football like it's kind of the same thing and, you know, he had a bunch of holding calls early on, but he figured it out. Yeah, that's a good call right there. Just that coach is like royalty. Yeah, yeah, as he should be because, you know, he retired. And when he did, the Patriots lost that game in Denver because whoever the right tackle was, was tipping the snap and Brady was getting beat up all game.

And then they brought him back the next year. And I think they, didn't they go to the Super Bowl next year? whatever the offensive line got a whole lot better real quick but rarely they always seem to struggle against the the bills regardless of who was the head coach who was the defensive coordinator

the bill's defensive line always gave Brady trouble you could always tell like he was never comfortable a little bit of trouble not like a lot of I mean they they had a highlight package in this I think like at the half of all the hits Brady had taken and they were like legit early 2000 hits Like he was getting lit up. There was that one that filled reverse where he just got.

Yeah, turned around into somebody and just got, yeah, just lit up. That's a personal foul these days. That's body weight on top of the quarterback. You can't do that. Oh, yeah. I think one of the biggest hits Brady's ever taken was in Buffalo. He got absolutely leveled there once. I mean, it was probably a hit that suspended somebody for for five games this, you know, this year.

That was a Greg Williams team, I believe, when he was head coach back then. Now it makes sense. The head hunting. It makes sense why they had him like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he popped back up. And Belichick. Yeah. He got absolutely smart.

Yeah. But Belichick in film session the next week was like just playing it over and over again and said, Brady, get the fuck out of bounds. yeah right yeah yeah yeah but yeah I mean they always like Brady always seem to have to get the ball out quick which is kind of how they approach this game because they came in with like a really good a bad receiving core and some quality running game

but they just came out just hawking the ball like going five wide and just throwing it real quick and it worked well enough but I think I remember seeing Rishay Caldwell had like four catches, five catches for like 17 yards or something like that in the beginning of the game. So,

you know, four sacks for bills, but one of them was Brady just sitting down. Oh yeah, giving up and then getting lit up by two separate bills players for a personal file, which put them, uh,

because that, that was on third down. He gave himself up for a second. He's like, all, fine. We'll just take the field goal. I'll just sit down right here. I'm not going to take a shot. Then takes a shot anyways.

Takes two shots. And then, yeah, ends up scoring touchdown. Which again, you know, that's the bills. That's the bills, baby. Just do them. Cut, cut the diggeron being like, what? Yeah. And it was literally the next play.

Corey Dillon goes for a touchdown. It's like, all right. Well, what are you going to do? Not just goes for touchdown. Cory Dillon gets the edge on them. Yeah. He just thought Corey Dillon. That's bad.

A third-year-old. What do you do? Yeah. That's tough. Ancient Corey Dillon hitting the edge of both. That's great. Never fast. No.

You don't want him in space, though. Yeah, I can see that will hurt. 2006, Corey Dillon was definitely not fast. So I'm watching this a few times speed and just watching this hour, like the Patriots defense, like, they're violent. Yeah. Like to realize the, type of like

aggression that like a junior say out and Ronnie Harrison is like that's the CTE defense right there like you're going to get fucking hurt. Yeah. Yeah, they're just throwing their bodies at things. Like it's, I think the epitome of it is watching Teddy Bruske on a blitz.

And if the back would come to pick him up, he would just try to jump over him. And they would clip his legs every time. be like, well, hopefully my, my flailing body will just careen into the quarterback and take him out that way. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's a miss.

When they see, uh, like, Harrison's trying to get the receiver and only like, chips him a bit, but then he just crashes into the linebacker that's going after him. It's like, holy shit, that must have fucking hurts. Yeah. Just, yeah.

And, yeah, and there was one play where, um, um, Junior sale just like shoots the gap and just absolutely annihilates the running man I think it was probably yeah yeah and then I don't think you've got there yet but I think the last player is the third quarter um Chad Scott uh Peelish Price catches the ball and turns around and just gets absolutely just flattened like it was one of those hits where you can like hear it but you can feel it like through the TV sort of hit I'll be looking for it we're in the third quarter right now literally the last play of the third quarter order. That's how it ends. You're like, oh, geez, yeah. That's tough.

Your defense was ferocious, though. When they say defense wins championships, it's that type of defense wins championships. Yes, exactly. You know, like that's the difference. Because this isn't that far removed from that 04 team, which I think is arguably the best defense of the pages ever put together. Yeah. Yeah. There's still Brady coming into his own, but that defense was just like, you'd watch some of those games, especially that Dolphins game in the Snow and Jolette, where Brewski had the pick six and then just thrown the snow up everywhere

because everybody had to dig their way into the stadium. Like it was a game where, like, Miami, I don't even know if they made it past half. It was one of those games. It was just like an absolute demolition. Brady's good, but like it doesn't matter who was playing quarterback. The guy could have gone out there and won that game.

Yeah. Steve could have won that game. Well, that's not get too far ahead of ourselves. You're just handing it off, Steve. It's fine. Yeah. Like Cory Dill do the rest. Are you going to be best and worst, Andy? All right, let's do some best and worst.

We got to explain to Matt what this is. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. When we were kids, we would sit down the dinner table and our mom would make us say the best and the worst parts of our day. So we're applying that to our games here. Yeah, so let's see. My best was watching Vince Will Fork get enough

air to bat down a third down pass. The original Air Vince which would actually become a logo. Somebody made the Air Jordan logo. Somebody made that with Vince Will Fork after he blocked a field goal to beat the

the Jets one year. I was a nice to fall that on third down. Yeah. Nice to see him get on. You make that logo, Steve. That's awesome. That's for it, Andy. I'm just a talent. Talent's a strong word.

I think my honorable mention is Eugene Wilson on that McGahey shovel pass that went for 56 saved a touchdown by running McGahey down from the other side of the field on a bad hamstring, which fucking Jesus Christ

McGahey's not somebody to run down generally. So I'm going for him. And I think my worst is probably the fact that Rishay Caldwell showed some flashes just enough to get you excited

like oh maybe this guy maybe this guy's gonna be it and he just like every time there's like a ball that he needs to catch he doesn't like he drops I think two touchdowns but then he makes a diving catch for it to convert like third and four

it's like congrats so that's my worst is Rishay Colwell showing some flashes knowing what he's will become. It was my worst too. Because it is in the red zone. And it was like a perfect ball from Brady

he had some right in the hands. He just hit him in the hands. Touchdown. Yep. But then that was also my best where Tom Brady says, fuck this shit. Third down going right to Troy Brown. That's exactly.

Who did you do? Yeah. Third and eight gets nice. Just classic. Oh, yeah. Timothy, you got the best and worst? Yeah. I'll say,

my best is the graphic I just saw of the two-headed monster of Cory Dylan and Lawrence Moroni. Oh yeah. And my worst I'm going to go with Aaron Schoble

just because I don't really hear his name ever be called but like the fact that he just would rain havoc and be the all-time leading sack editor of Tom Brady is a

I think it's disgraceful and I will I mean he doesn't get a sack in this game so yeah it's in there somewhere yeah two actually

it looks like oh yeah yeah the first half and I think he it looked like a running play I don't know if they counted that as a sack

but he definitely had at least another tackle for loss yeah okay yeah um best for me in my

two sacks yeah all right yeah go ahead man what you got Yeah, I mean, best for me is Willis McGahey with 22

touched over 100 yards of total offense. Clearly the only thing that we had going at all that day. Not to say much. Worst, I go with Ryan Lindell missing two field goals. Like, that dude was pretty money. That's true. Yeah. Wicked in worst conditions out in Seattle.

Like, he was like, you know, pretty good. I'm sure, like, those were critical misses that really kept us from being in the game any longer than we were, but, you know, bad kicking in Buffalo, which is not something other than the other. Well, I guess we are kind of known for bad kicking, aren't we?

Yeah. You've been set yourself up on that one. We had Steve Christie who was pretty good. I guess, yeah, we kind of are known for bad kicking, aren't we? Tough place to kick, but by Ryan Woodden. I just want the fans to acknowledge what kind of coping. A Bill's fan

has to do when they have to say, yeah, a kicking's not that bad. Actually, there's a one. Literally. I mean, that's about all these, all these pageant complaining about complaining about having

three years of not making the playoffs in a row. How dare they? Yeah, I know. You guys, how do you deal with droughts like that? I mean, But then on those years, it's like, well, the Celtics won the championship or the Bruins are both, you know? I mean, there is that. So, yeah, I mean, I think that kind of sums up this game.

Steve, what's next week? I don't fucking know. Well, you ask you every week, I never, never know. So maybe next time you'll, you'll, like, look at it. No, dude, I'm not going to do it. No fucking chance. Hey, we got lucky I'm here two weeks in a row, Andy, all, right? Just take your wins and get out of here.

you focus on the game at hand and I'm gonna be on Steve's side with that one you know he's he's just focus on the hearing and then then I guess because it's not the now it certainly isn't the now well yeah I'm gonna take you know criticism from the guy who's literally still watching the game that we're supposed

to have watched to do this this episode so thanks Tim there also fair next week Patriots will go to Minnesota to visit the Vikings in what looks like another game that probably won't be close feel like this is the Chad Jackson career game. I feel like he had a good catch on this game.

Don't ruin it for me. I've never watched this game. He's talking about the game. I did, and I'll remember it at all. Yeah, well, all right. Thank you, Matt, for joining us. Really appreciate it. Boris, thank you guys so much.

You know, it's a treat to be on with you and meet you guys. And thank you for, you know, the opportunity. It's really cool what you have here. I'm really into it. Yeah, it's great to hear. from, you know, fans of other organizations. I just kind of see how it compares. So, you know, how we grew up here.

We kind of grew up in an era of unprecedented success. And we know that's not particularly common. So it's nice to hear how, you know, the rest of the world had to deal with their football upbringing. Yeah. It's a heartache. Matt, what a lot of heart. Would you call this a positive experience?

Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, I never, like, I never got too into, like, I mean, I love my team. I love the game, but, like, you know, I'm not that kind of bills fan where I would ruin my Monday or anything like that, you know. But I guess you kind of get used to it, and that's how you have to have the callus, right? Beat you down. Yeah. Yeah.

Does that mean that you would come back? Oh, yeah. If you'd have me, I mean, you'd like to say, we get way worse than the 06 bills, so. Yeah, we want to test your strength, you know, how as a bill. So, really lean the next much of years. So I did look it up. The last time the Bills beat the Patriots

was that 2003, week one. The next time the Bills beat the Patriots, anybody want to guess? Just give me the season. Give me the season. 2011. Stephen, correct. 2011, week three.

Doesn't like Wilker fuck that up or something. Yeah. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fourteen, fourteen, 15 straight victories for the Patriots against the bills. So, Matt, if you want to wait a while

until we hit 2011, we will have we never fucking getting there, Andy. We're not getting to 2011, we're halfway there, 2006. All right. We're going to have to see him alive in 2020, 2035 when we get to the couple of them.

But yeah, it was a pleasure. We appreciate you having you on, bud. Thank you. All right. I appreciate so much. Have a great night, guys. You too. Thank you.

All right. We'll see you later. Bye. Bye. Turn in next week to see how much of a blubbering little bitch Greg here on the Patriots Dynasty podcast.