PBD Podcast - Afghanistan and the Mafia | PBD Podcast | EP 82

Episode Date: August 17, 2021

In episode 82 of the PBD Podcast, Patrick Bet-David sits down with Adam Sosnick and Gerard Michaels to talk about Valuetainment's Mafia States of America, the situation in Afghanistan, and much more!   Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/hQzzmjixPi8 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

So we'll do podcasts this week. We will not be doing it next week, but it's good to be back with you. Very to be back. How are you? I'm wonderful. Yes. We're just recovering from Vegas.

How was Vegas? How was Vegas? How was Vegas? How was Vegas? What a show, man. I mean, you're not big on compliments. So I'm not going to even go that route because you're just going to say thank you and deflect.

But I'm just going to compliment your company. How about that? That's, I like that, do that. OK. Wow. What an event that PHP put on. What an event. You know, I was there last year at the virtual event, which was 30 people in a room.

Virtually, you had Pitbull, General Mattis, Trey Gowdy, and it was really dope. It was cool just to see it function and it went off without a hitch at a virtual event To see an event put on at the MGM grand 10,000 people in attendance Nikki J.M. Performance a fashion man a scalco all the leaders of the company people talking and to see it go off without a hitch live it in person Just respect which ever you want to evolve Tyson's in aatt, well, everything Tyson said, what stuck with you? He said a lot of stuff.

Yeah, Mike Tyson was there. I've never heard before. What are some of the things that stuck? He's like, you know, I'm nine years old. He says, I didn't know how strong I was. I used to fight like this. He says, people will come and do stuff to me. I go like this.

Like, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to close my eyes and say, I would knock people out. He says, I realized how strong I was. So he says, one time I'm nine years old, like I $5,500 cash in my pocket and I'm going, hey, just got a ghost through that. Oh, you go hold on. You're nine years old.

You're nine years old. You're nine years old. So, $5,500. He says, yeah, I was $5,500 in my pocket. How do you have $55,000? Nine years old. I'm Robin people. It's a huge problem.

I'm straight up Robin people at nine years old. Nine years old. He says so eventually everybody realized who I was. He says I used to knock a lot of kids out and then they would bring their daddies. And I would knock out their daddies out. Yeah. He was awesome. He was awesome.

He was awesome. He was awesome. He was awesome. I'll tell you, he was very honest. Very. Very, very, very soft spoken, you know. Yeah, very, even because, you know, there was a group of us before. He was pretty happy to be four when we got there, like in the room.

Yeah, he smelled like he was, uh, maybe it smoked something. Oh, yeah. He has ties. I was not surprised. He, he, he, he, he, it's sound, it smelled like he just came out of his pot. Hotbox, right? Yeah, exactly. He just came out of his hotbox.

Within five minutes, I was with him. I was having chips in the middle. No, you know what I'm like, hey, can we talk? I told Caroline, Caroline, we need some chips. We need some. Hey, man. But even like when we were taking pictures, you know, there was a few of us that met him before and took some pictures of them and he was very gracious and shook our hands.

And I even said, hey Mike, like, why don't we stand like this? Hey man, just piece. I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to fight you man. Right, did you shake his hands? Oh yeah, he's got massive hands. His hands, those hands felt like this made sense. Yeah, this makes sense. This makes sense why this made so many people laugh.

In the last few months, because of you, we've had the pleasure of meeting some of the biggest strongest athletes I've ever seen in my life, Mike Tyson. Yeah, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Gerard Gerard, Bo Jackson, who's that guy's hands were ridiculous. I think Bo is in the league of his own. I don't know if I put anybody in Bo's league.

That guy's body is just. That guy just made no sense, what he looked. Nikki Jam crushed it by the way. I mean, Nikki Jam was awesome. I thought he was gonna be good, but I didn't think he was gonna be great because when I announced it,

you know, I have to companies, not let you know, I have to company is, but the entire time people stood up dancing for an hour straight. Sebastian Manuscalca tells a joke about Matzapala and it likes to play stuff. I messaged him after what he says. He says, remind me, never say anything to the guy in the green jacket again. Exactly. Sebastian Manuscalca called out Matzapala.

Nikki Jam called out your friend John Mason, made him dance. It was just an awesome event. The highlight was the ending though, the night, the party. You rented out Hockasson. Our friend Michael French ace was there. Flex Wheeler was there. There's some friends who are there. Teagerin was popping bottles. He had to give a shout out to him. He could be. By the way, I heard you got a great massage. Yeah, the good massage is very good. Thanks for you. It's good stuff, man.

I'm excited for it's an inside joke, but the world's going to take in many different ways. Just know that Adam had a good time as well. Yeah. Inside of fair assessment. They're faced. I think we're in. I'm full on blushing. Tell us stories. Thank you. Anyways, hey, we got a lot of stuff to cover. that i think i'm full on blushing that was a story

thank you anyway it's hey we got a lot of stuff to cover yeah we got an old set screw your freedom he said specifically to you to me screw your freedom atom your family came here for what america offers is it screw you from we're gonna cover that uh... honest magnet card sells for six point six million dollars new record shattering prior record. Outside of that, the Taliban and Afghanistan absolute travesty, what's going on over them. I'm sure we're going to spend most of the time talking about what's going on over there.

1400 people, as of right now, death toll of the earthquake that took place in Haiti. My prayers goes out to the families out there. That's a tough situation to be in, especially when Kaina, we're looking at the video this morning. You know, when the infrastructure, sometimes you don't even think about infrastructure, right? Like you don't, you go to a building, you're working a building, you sleep on a condo,

you sleep in an apartment, you sleep in a house, you don't sit there think about infrastructure, you just think about, I'm sure they did a good job. But a lot of these other countries, man, that's one of their biggest fears is the infrastructure the building you're living in, 1400 people from a seven point something earthquake and then New York City, Keystone New York City, the Blasio I'm sure you got some thoughts on that we'll cover that as well

because the Blasio and Gerard you got a few things you say about it. You're a little affection right there. One of Adam's heroes, Chet Hanks, Tom Hanks's son had some things to say about vaccine and then outside of that, Mafia States of America, which is this whole project that we've been working on, I think, why don't we get into that a little bit? Do we want to finish with that, or do we want to get into that? We can, don't bury the lead. I say we get into it. So, look, you know, Michael and Sammy, okay, this sit down. Everybody kept asking me, is this gonna happen,

is this gonna happen, is this not gonna happen? Is it eventually gonna be where these guys gonna sit together? I'll tell you my story of what happened behind Cloters. You've been a project, obviously, you've been the director of the project from beginning to the end. Sammy and I had a conversation two years ago

when Sammy first got out of jail and I say, Sammy, how you doing? He says, you the guy that interviewed Michael Francis. I said yes. This is what the another interview was this two and a half hours He just went trash and Michael and I'm like listen Sammy all I want to do is why don't you and I get to I wouldn't get together with Nobody so anyways going back and forth in month goes by two months three months six months. We follow up I said why don't I just combine you and I sit down and visit? No.

Great. So every time, no, no. Nine months later he agrees. So we go to Phoenix, me and Mario. Hey, let's go have a sit down with Sammy. And someone should meet me at this location. We go to this one location. Guy comes outside.

He picks us up. We walk all the way to the back of the building. You walk and you walk and you walk. At the end of it, Mario's like, listen, it's getting a little too deep of a walk. It's getting darker. We get all the way to the back of the building. You walk and you walk and you walk. At the end of it, Mari's like, listen, it's getting a little too deep of a walk, it's getting darker, we get all the way to the end, and then boom, there's Samuero Bocavano. We sit down.

Couple hours were talking, you know, he shares his thoughts. He says, let me think about it, what we're gonna do. Then we finally do the interview, my pops, 12 million views, short clips, everything together, 25 million views. And then at the end of the interview, I'm like, you know what, you know what, be great? What, be great if you and Michael what, you know what'd be great? What?

Be great if you and Michael sat down together. What did you say? Me and Michael never happened. I'd never, okay. Now I go to Michael and I present him, Michael, because I'm not gonna do it. So they've gone back and forth calling each other behind closers, I'm trying to see if we can make this happen

or not. I understand why they wouldn't wanna meet with each other because two different families, finally, finally they agreed and we met in a undisclosed location, security, the whole nine. You couldn't find what we were at, you know, where we can't even tell the location right now, but we went to this place, we sat down. How many hours of footage do we have, by the way, of them talking? Oh, yeah, of them.

The two of them talking. Fifteen hours, sixteen hours. Sixteen hours. Sixteen hours of them talking. Just them. So imagine like a sixteen hour podcast is what it is. 15 hours, 16 hours? 16 hours of them talking. Just them. So imagine like a 16 hour podcast is what it is. So we came back then we have Giuliani.

How many hours was Giuliani? Three hours? Three. At his place. No, it's three hours on camera. You guys chatted for like another two hours off camera. What are some, how crazy were some of the things Rudy said? Honestly, to the point where we're concerned if we can put it out.

Some of the stuff we don't know if we can put out of what Rudy said. Some of the stuff we can, I know a lot of people can say put the whole thing out. We definitely cannot put the whole thing out. I can tell you that we own the footage. You can't put it out. Out on YouTube.

Yeah, probably not on YouTube. And by the way, some of the stuff that Michael and Sammy said we may not be able to put on YouTube. But a lot of people have been asking about, when is this coming out? And you know, Chaz Paul Mentary, legendary actor, you know, Bronx, tell all of these things. He's also in it.

He absolutely crushed. And by the way, he was a writer. He helped write a big part of it with you. You guys were co-writing together. Yeah, it was awesome. So it was a great experience. The question everyone's asking is, when is this coming up?

We let the tease around, which people are furious. Well, are you ready to announce the release date? I can tell you when it's ready to deliver. I don't Well, are you ready to announce the release date? I can tell you what it's ready for. I don't know if we're gonna have to release the date yet. I think we maybe let the trailer do. Fair enough. It's part by Friday, but I can say. You wanna tease the release date?

It ain't coming off for 46 weeks. Okay. I can tell you what we're gonna go. They didn't come enough for 46 weeks, so hang in there. There's a lot of pissed off people right now on Twitter, YouTube, everywhere saying, what do you do this to us? Why isn't it coming out tomorrow? It ain't coming out for 46 weeks But it's gonna be coming out soon and the topics are some topics you for about four to five weeks

We're thinking about doing two episodes every week for four to five weeks The world is going to stop for four to five weeks each week. It's gonna be two episodes Well, premiere and they're gonna be glued to the screen. People sitting on together with popcorn. Remember how we did the last dance? I was just gonna say this is very here in the last dance and to meet them off here. I'm really on scripted.

Yeah. Yeah. Just to be clear, when Pat's talking about writing, we're talking about narration. We're talking about writing the ends and the outs. There's absolutely nothing that was said. There's nothing that was orchestrated here. And this is real and unscrupulous.

See, Roy, there was not one part where we said, hey, Michael, can you say that one more time? Hey, Sammy, can you say that one more time? Like, if they're going back and forward with each other and they were having a discussion about something, hey, can we get another cut on this? Sammy, say that one more time.

None of that. When's the last seven even sat in a room together? Well, can I tell a story about what almost happened or do you want to save it for behind the scenes? Which part? Which star? When we got there and the whole everything was set. Go for it. You tell it. You tell it. Dude, so here we are. We've flown a 30 person crew halfway around the world. All right. And we've got, Pat got a hundred thousand dollars with a gear and an entire crew set. We got there four hours early. We took this castle and we turned it into a set and then we're waiting, waiting, waiting on set, waiting for talent, waiting for talent, waiting for talent.

And they were still negotiating whether or not they were going to do this past call time. They were supposed to be on separate room 9 a.m. The two of them are Michael's team and Sam is team at Myanmar. You must you're I don't I mean you're a business guy. So you like the stuff. My balls would have been in my throat. I got a I got $200,000 worth of loss sitting 50 yards away. It's not done by the way.

Dude, I what did I tell you? You were always like, what are you doing? What are you doing? What, did you not have a contract? What the hell are we doing here, man? Like did you just jump out of an airplane and hope somebody threw down a parachute? Like what the hell happened here?

Like Chris, and by the way, this entire time I'm talking to Rudy Giuliani, we're going back and forth. Rudy, Rudy's pissed off. We're trying to make it work with Rudy. He was supposed to fly. Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about that later, but that's a complete different thing but and Rudy's the guy who brought down the mob right that's the reason that you wanted to have his inside Rudy has to be a part of this or Rudy you have to realize man outside everything that people say with Rudy

into Trump prior to Rudy and Trump Rudy was like the alpha man at top 10 alpha man of America, mayor of New York, you know, what man award, whatever you want to go, the man's safe New York City. I live through it. The man saved New York City. Well, he was a hero in the 90s, 4,000 people got a red, 4,000 arrests. How many people over 100 years, eight got over 100 years, some some ridiculous number, like what the sky did. But back to my original question, one's the last time Sammy and Michael actually sat down and spoke. But back to my original question, one's the last time Sammy and Michael actually sat down and spoke. But here's what you have to realize.

Never. Never. They've never. But last time made men sat down face to face to do something like this. You know, one's the last time that happened. It's called never. Wow. This has never happened.

And if it's happened, it's behind closed doors. Never with cameras. It's the first time ever where, and by the way, you have to realize, there's a group of people that are saying, Sammy's the way, you have to realize there's a group of people that are saying Sammy's gonna win the sit down and there's a group of people that are leaning towards Franzise matter if I we have a website mafia states of America a lot of unique mortgages coming out a lot of people asking about autographs. We're gonna be doing this poster mafia states of America signed

By Michael Sammy limited editions probably gonna be only the first hundred or maybe the first 500 that will do that comes out Where you're gonna be able the first 100 or maybe the first 500 that we'll do that comes out where you're gonna be able to put that on the wall. There are some that are saying, Michael's gonna win this sit down. There are some that are saying Sam is gonna win this sit down. And matter of fact, I may, if Michael or Sam, I gotta make this call to them as well.

We may bring them on the podcast, pre-release, individual, we gotta do it individually, obviously. We may bring Michael and we'll have them one week. We may bring Sam, the next next week on a podcast like this. Wow to discuss Derek experience before this gonna live That'd be sick if we do that pretty heated up Kind of make a note of that make a note of that for me to make the phone call afterwards What what was nuts was like the history more like the history of America more than anything else like you don't even have to be a Mob fan. You don't need to have to be like a mafia. That was going to be my question.

Yeah, actually, how does it, the normal person stuff that they talked about, half a, about Kennedy, the stuff that they talked about. I mean, I don't know how deep you want me to go into it, but like the, the Joe banana book like this, dude, like as a history buff, as a, as a political official, you know, I don't know. Mario Cuomo came up. Mario Cuomo came up by both Giuliani and Frenzies and Gravano. Well, he's the Italian governor of New York, I mean, apparently what everybody said, the affiliation with the mob. So Mario was apparently connected.

Giuliani said, I won't release, I'll let them tell the story and what it was, but it was very interesting on the angle they took and how they felt about Andrew, how they felt about Mario Cuomo, what role he played in the streets of New York, the level of respect, very, very unique angle that they took. And then there was a couple parts where, you know,

they talked about how all the industries that were part of, that was illegal, another multi-billion dollar industries, you have to hear how they explain it, like how they trained the US government to do what, like they trained essentially, their strategies and tactics are being used today by the US government and are being used to do by Fortune 500 companies.

That's why it's called Mafia States of America, right? The whole idea is we trained the Mafia United, they say they were part of it it like even think about Bank of America You know Bank of America used to be Bank of Italy No, if you go look up. Did you know this or no? Hey, Kai can somebody come up here jump on Wikipedia real quick Typing Wikipedia Bank of America Kai stepped out if you can come up here Bank of America before Bank of America became Bank of America was Bank of Italy You have no idea no type in Bank of America. Hey, there's David type in Bank of America was Bank of Italy. You have no idea. No, no. Type in Bank of America.

Hey, there's David. Type in Bank of America, David. By the way, David, how you doing? Doing well, I really am. I'm good. I've been waiting for this moment for weeks. No, man, David's ever since. Okay, go Wikipedia.

Go Wikipedia, go down to Wikipedia, try to find Bank of America, go lower. Wiki, okay, good. Type in the Control F Italy. Okay, there you go, go lower. Wiki, okay, good. Tapping the control F Italy. Okay, there you go, right there, right there. It shows right there. One branch of its history stretches back to Bank of Italy, founded by Bank of Italy,

from the University of Southern Bank of America, October 17, 1904, from the New York Times, and Bank of Italy, the Bank of Italy, in San Francisco, 19, and Bank of America, so the whole thing started off with them giving loans to a town, because back then nobody would give Italian loans,

because they didn't think highly of Italians. They thought like, oh, you know, there was names for Italians, just like there's a lot of different names for them. So they started off supporting them in the Bank of Italy. This is early 1900, early 1900, the monstrosity that it is today.

So the power and the influence of the Italian community and the Italian mob is very much deep rooted in the history of America the last 100 years. We really, so, you know, when this thing comes out, everybody's right now talking about, you know, the biggest conversation is, will Michael's approach win or will Sam his approach win? And there's a team friend Z's there's a team

Gervano. Two heavy ones. Two heavy ones. And what families are they with? Colombo and Gambino. Yeah. Who's Colombo? Friends Z's. Yeah. And by the way, Sammy was with, he was before, he was with Gambino. He was with another family. Colombo on them. Yeah. And they kind of made the trade, you know, and they say, hey, you ain't't gonna be able to work out over here And it went to the Gambino family and obviously they became the underboss for John Gotti So can I ask you a it's kind of a weird question, but it's in the in the light of the last dance, right? So you know like I've seen good fellows. I just can could see you know

I've got who doesn't love these kind of movies, right? Obviously you probably like crushed kudos to you By the way, I mean this you guys understood what Gerard was doing. He's got sleeping on couches over here just to get this job done. I was a whole team. It's really impressive. No, it's really impressive. But for sort of the layman, you know, in the last dance mold, is there a Michael Jordan of the mafia?

Who would Sammy be? Who would French say be? That question was asked. I'm opening up a can of worms are I get it who like who are these characters in the you know if you use the NBA analogy would you do something like that listen i'll let them answer it because they actually address that question where you know who were michael said who was the

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these legit buttons. I've known a couple of brains. So was Ben Siegel, so was Fuggy's. Yeah, Fuggy's. So of course. Well, the democracy, they say you got them but the Jews and the Italians work together very closely. Yeah, because at the end of the day,

they said, I wish, I wish as well back in the day. I was talking to them in green. So, it was sweet and they, it's out Americans got the Jews cut so there was a litigate they related to each other there was a certain anti-immigrants yes exactly so like to talk about that I mean the the history of the mob is really kind of the history of immigration America especially in cities yeah the Jews were the OGs so like when you talk about St. Patrick's Day and what do you think St. Patrick's Day? You think corn beef, cabbage, sexy.

Alcohol. Yeah. But the corn beef and cabbage head, there's no corn beef and cabbage in Ireland. That was something that the Jewish, like a settler's, well, how are you calling them? The original Jewish immigrants in New York City, they taught the Irish immigrants. There was no refrigeration. They taught them how to salt their meat. They taught them how to boil the cabbage. So the corn-beafing cabbage is an Irish immigrant remembrance from when they came over here and they were second class, third class citizens.

You can look at, I mean, if people want to really go deeper to the history of, like, I'm Irish, so obviously this matters to me. But if you want to go deeper to the history, you can look it and says, no color, no Irish applied. They were actually called Irish N words onwards if you google it, you know There's a whole Harper's Bizarre where they were they were thought they were thought of as you know The northern black so by the way here here's the other part about this that that's a

Interesting point you're making the one interesting part about this whole thing that's going on with Sammy and Michael is there's a big community that doesn't want to see this go live? Oh I'm sure there's people that do not want to. I mean the emails and the calls we're getting there's a big community that's not happy about this. The DMs privately coming to us. There is a massive community that does not want to see this thing take place. Well massive community. When you this community. I can't I can't I can't do of course I cannot I can't even tell you like it, but it's connected to that life.

But there's a big community that doesn't want to see this become live because, hey, you're telling a story to men who have experience in this and Michael's dad wasn't just any man. He was Sonny Franzees's 55 years time in prison, one of the most feared men in the streets of New York in the streets of America. He claims to have been with everybody.

And this is not a guy that brags about it. One day I was in New York driving him around, we spent a whole day together, I was trying to get him to do an interview, wouldn't open up nothing. That guy wouldn't say anything. That's Michael's, that's who trained Michael. So think about who trained Michael is sunny.

Sonny comes from the era of lucky, Meyer, Castello, 140 years old. Means you were 20 years old in 1940. Yeah, that's not, that's not the hard one. You're 20 years old in the 30s. How old is he? He died at 140 years old, 130 years old. So that means he died a year and a half ago. Wow old is he? He died at 140 years old, 130 years old. So long ago.

He died a year and a half ago. So he took everything to the grave. He took everything to the grave, wouldn't say anything. I drove him and I said, hey, tell me about Meyer Lansky. Is it true he was a billionaire? He was a rich, just man. Says, myrhe was a great man.

I said, how about lucky? How about Ben Siegel? He said, how about Bugsie? What do you think? He said, don't call him Bugsie. You can't call him Bugsie. You cannot call him Bugsie. His name is Ben. You call him Ben Siegel. I said, how about Ben Sieie? What do you think? He said, don't call him Bugsie. You can't call him Bugsie. You cannot call him Bugsie.

His name is Ben. You call him Ben Siegel. I said, how about Ben Siegel? He says, Ben Siegel? One of the best men I ever did business with. I said, are you kidding me? Sonny, the stories you read about Ben Siegel, what he did. Great man.

I said, Sonny, how about your story? A lot of people say you took a lot of people out. They say you were one of the most feared men in the streets. I was innocent. And I was just like, so and then on Sami's side, Sami's bringing history, Sami's still loyal to the life. He still is a gangster,

like Sami's still today. He may be free, but Sami's not Michael, who was a change man, so there is two different worlds, colliding and there's communities on both sides that don't want to sit down to take place. Well, I would tell you that, one of my concerns going into it was I kind of grew up in that

environment and my father hated the mob, my God, and he hated them. We thought these guys were bullies and all this other stuff. And I was just like, this to me is interesting. These are very, very interesting guys. We have to document that this is a part of American history. It's going away. We have to document this, right? This is something that these are stories that need to be told. This is part of American history, it's going away. We have to document this, right? This is something that these are stories

that need to be told. This is part of the fabric of our society. This is something that made us who we are. But I didn't want to glorify the crime. I didn't want to do this. You know, I'm romanticized. I didn't want to do this. Rudy does not.

Well, this is what I was gonna say. The thing probably you did better than anything else in producing this and hosting it. You press these guys. This was not a puff piece by any chance. You press these dudes on every step of the way. Like every kind of excuse they gave you, you pressed back, you pushed back.

Why didn't you just go legit? Obviously this model works, you should have a way. This is a different, different kind of interview. It's a very technical interview because you would ask a question, we would go and go a little deeper and then they went. And they went. And we're sitting on extracting the best part to put it

and the jars on a great job putting that together. Anyways, I cannot wait for the world to see this when this premieres in an X4, 6, 8 weeks. And by the way, people who are upset about it, listen, we can put it somewhere else and charge you a hundred bucks if you're upset about it. We can do it the right way. And by the way, here's a question for you.

Do you think a Netflix, a Hulu, and Amazon wants the rights to this? That was an awesome footage. They're kidding me. They'll cut a multimillion auto check easily. We don't need the money for this. This is something I want the world to see. I want the world to see this.

So it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with this. We gonna own the rights to this for as long as, you know, value-taming can hold the rights to this. I mean, this is a, this is gonna be the first biggest project where we put a good amount of money into a chava half a million dollars at this point

into to make this happen. I'm excited to work with this. This is the biggest project in value team in history. It's in history ever. It's not even close. This is creating history. I mean, it's nuts. And the production value, look,

I, we're working hard on a man, but I think the people are not allowed to really do it. We're gonna be in the industry. It's been a lot. Last thing before we move on, I'm just talking about the teaser that went out it was what, a minute long how long was it? 50 seconds, 40 seconds.

Okay, awesome. Captivating. Chaz comes in. This is a true story. This isn't amazing, right? You're captivated. And like the line that, the first line, you really hear Sammy say to Michael,

and this is what I want you guys to explain, is like, what happened to Omarita? And you fucking did this and da da da da. And like, just, and you said Sammy's still in that, like just explain that, the Omarita,erta the whole thing with that and sunny not speaking Yeah, we got to realize Sammy's still a gangster Sammy's still like and Sammy called Michael out hardcore I mean Sammy called Michael out. It was a direct call out and Michael didn't back down and they went head to head

Like there's certain areas like you'll see Michael. You're like well Michael, you know, just kind of It's probably gonna be passive in that area. Michael pushed back. And there are certain areas where Sammy is just brutal, zero filters, again, for the people that have followed these stories, they're gonna be glued to the screen. And it's very technical because in the world of the mob, it is a very technical conversation.

Yet at the same time, they're both good storytellers. So you're hearing it from, you know, two men who have been able to sit down with some of the most powerful people in the mob last however many years Yeah, it's gonna be and how many hours of you spent speaking sitting down with the mob I mean at this point you gotta be some sort of man Exactly Well, look I like I don't want to sound like a salesman here But you got you do have to go to Monfee States for America because you're talking about Omar Teh,

there's gonna be so many SOTeric terms. That's also been an interesting part of this. It's like these terms, their terms I grew up with, I just assumed everybody knew them. And then our production assistants, like I'm talking with one of our production assistants is like 2021 year old Latina girl from Miami. And she's like, I, she thought Benson Hurst was a guy

I'm having her I'm having her batch b-roll and she's like for the life of me I can't find a picture of this Benson Hurst. I was like Benson Hurst her part of Brooklyn. Yeah, you serious? So like, we're gonna have a glossary of terms to get brushed up on so you know it'll make things. Of course, you know what these plays. And you know, we may even afterwards do behind the scenes, because I think some,

if people would wanna see some of the stuff that we did before. If we can get a behind the scenes put together, people gotta see how this was behind closed doors, because all the other stuff is great. It was intense. Yeah, it was intense. Anyway, so again, stay tuned.

Well, congratulations, guys. This is awesome. That's four. Looks amazing. Six, eight weeks, maybe 10. We're trying to get a closer to six. Stay tuned. And by the way, here's what we may do. Here's what we may do. We may after all the episodes have gone live, we may host a live event with all the parties involved in a Q&A session. They just bring them how you gonna get them to play nice in the same I don't know idea, but we may do some we may do some like that like get a hall with it down maybe do something here in Florida. Maybe we'll do like a fountain blue will take something you know a neutral

place and we'll go in and audience will be able to buy tickets. I foresee those tickets selling out in no time and we'll emcee it and host it and bring them out and they think that would be Prussia. You know what would be funny is to see the guest list. The guest list is what would be funny and the kind of security you'd need. You have to escort everybody. Yeah.

Yeah. Can we get access to the guest list? Anyways, so that's going to be interesting. Stay tuned for six, eight weeks, maybe ten weeks coming out. So let's get into Arnold and what Arnold said and we're going to the Taliban and what happened there so Arnold's story he goes out there and he says a few different things this is a Hollywood reporter story by the way Kai can we put up the video or no is that something that we can put up you say no okay well Arnold in an interview goes out there and tells in the interview screw your freedom

This is a Hollywood reporter story. He gave his fellow Americans a blunt message this week screw your freedom The former governor California and actor was adamant about his stance on COVID-19 safety Precaution says there's a virus here. It kills people and the only way we we prevent it is to get vaccinated to wear masks Do social distancing washing your hands all the time, and not just to think about it. Well, my freedom is being kind of disturbed here. No, screw your freedom, because what freedom comes up obligations and responsibilities,

you cannot just say, I have the right to X, Y, and Z. When you affect other people, then it gets serious. The responsibility is similar to the following rules at of traffic light, so no one gets killed, the former governor said. So that's Arnold's comment. I've got some thoughts on this, but I want to hear your thoughts. Gerard, what do you think about what Arnold said to screw your freedom? Oh, man, I, I, two things go through my mind. I'm, I'm the biggest Arnold guy in the world, too. And, and three things go through my mind.

First of all, former Republican governor of California. So there you go. You want to recall by the way. Yeah. Three former Republican governor of California. So, you know, it goes to Adams. It's both sides things. It's very clearly there is this, you know, elite aristocracy. And then there's the rest of us unsophisticated plebians who we have to get cattle, hurt it into these cattle cars. We've got to get this shot, but they can have their 700 person parties in Martha's Vineyard with no masks,

because they earn the freedom there. So they're probably all vaccinated. Yeah, and yeah, because that worked out for them, 75 of them are sick now. But anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is man, it's you, the Christopher Nolan line in the dark night,

you either die of the dark night you either either die the hero you live long enough to see yourself become the villain how can this guy who grew up in the shadow of totalitarian Europe right he grew up after Nazi Germany and with the USSR the steel curtain literally above him and he has been here for 60 years. Every one of his dreams came true thanks to the freedoms of this country. And now that he's on the back nine, he's like screw your freedoms.

Screw your freedoms. I've gotten everything I wanted. If they worked for me, screw your freedoms. Now don't make me sick. Like it's the most narcissistic thing that I've ever heard somebody say, it was the most tone deaf thing. I've ever heard somebody say. And this is tone deaf thing. I've ever heard somebody say.

And this is not a dumb guy. He's an incredibly intelligent man. He's not a dumb guy. You know, and I'm wondering if somebody got to him. I'm wondering if there's what's going on behind the scenes with these. Bill Burr has a whole bit on him being a great man. It's one of the funniest comedy bits of all time. That's hilarious.

I've heard it. Of course, it's still fun. Well, look, I'd love to hear Bill Burr's commentary on this because you know what? I don't know, Bill, this is one of the things that you could actually do to make you no longer a great man. Adam, what do you think? Yeah, well, I mean, you grew up,

you said you were a hero of Arnold. You literally wanted to be Arnold growing up. So I was never like a big Arnold guy. Obviously, I, you know, I watched Total Recall Terminator. I was like, but I never looked up to Arnold being from Florida. I was never, you know, you're from California. He was your governor for however many years. How long was he the governor when you were living there? Eight years? Yeah. So I never had a recall governor, but yeah, I've never had this fascination with Arnold. I guess my question is, does he have a point at all? Clearly his past history coming from Austria

or whatever the Iron Curtain and now having living the most amazing life ever United States, obviously his perspective has changed significantly in the last 50 years. I guess my question is does he have a point and if he does, do you look at him any differently, Pat? Yeah, so a couple of different things for me here, a couple of different things for me here. When I think about like in the world of bodybuilding, Arnold Zey hero,

Aaron Singerman, the founder of a RedCon, who gave a half a million dollars to the trouble, Obama interview, you know, he made a video yesterday, very respectful, very fair, but he called him, I said, we're no he made a video yesterday, very respectful, very fair, but he called him out. He said, we're no longer doing a sponsorship with Arnold Classic anymore. And he cut out hundreds of thousands of dollars. He does every other Arnold Classic. This is not a regular small company. It's a pretty big subdued company. And he says, I'm sorry. I don't support. He says, you have the right to say that, but I have the right to not sponsor you. I'm not doing it this year. He pulled out right, RedCon. And he's got Kai Green, all these

other guys and Kai Green's an Arnold classic guy, so it's all this stuff that's taking place. Here's how I see this with Arnold. I have a very big challenge of what he said. His posters been on my walls and my army barracks, all over the place, okay. I had his poster everywhere. I have his poster that I had in the army.

Till today, it's in my stash, I've kept it, right? Because it was like something you got to keep from 1998, 1999 when I was at the 101st Airborne Division. About every magazine, every year, Muscle Magor Flex would do special on Arnold at Biolvin, that have a poster in the middle of it. I've read Total Recall, we make Total Recall book of the month to read in the entire company.

We've ordered 6,000 copies of his book. We had everyone read an 800 page book, I don't know if you've read it or not. Where he goes through explaining the whole story how the first I think the building he bought in Palmdale or how he decided again to real estate the stories of Joe Weeder. He thought it was such a big headquarters until he comes in town he knows his Joe Weeder's office was like a small shack. It's like wow Joe was really able to sell this thing is friendship with Franco Colombo. His experience with his dad when he's about to go compete for Mr. Universe and all of us and his father passes away and he has to choose whether he goes to pursue Mr. Universe or he's about to go compete for Mr. Universe and all of a sudden his father passes away and he has to choose whether he goes to pursue Mr. Universe

or he goes back to the funeral, he chooses to go to bodybuilding competition, then comes up, hey you will never be an actor, you sound weird, you don't sound right and he says no, I'm gonna do it, then he goes and carries the Kennedy, then he goes out there, becomes a governor, he goes at them, becomes the highest paid actor at one point, he was making 20 a movie, he was the highest paid actor before the 80s, 90s, exactly. Before there was a rock, it was Arnold. Like everybody followed this guy's playbook,

but here's a challenge. Here's a challenge on what happens. When you start making money and you have fame and I think this is what's going on with them. There's a few things that happens to you at this phase of your life, okay? You, your worries change. Your worries change from, man, am I free to go out

then how my dreams become a reality? All of those checks have been done already. Checkmark, checkmark, checkmark. Now it's about, am I gonna get a Nobel? Am I gonna get another prize? Am I gonna be invited to the Obama birthday party? Am I gonna get on the good list of this? Am I gonna get on the good list of that?

Because at this point, what else do you have? Like you see. What else do you have? No, no, it's more, it's not even the legacy part because same screw your freedom. What the hell do you mean screw your freedom, bro? What are you talking about screw your freedom? You okay, so screw your freedom.

William Bonack is from Ghana. Okay, William Bonack, 2018 Arnold Classic. Okay, your competitors, Roli, you know, you got Joshua is from Australia, Joshua, Leonard, your competitors, roly, you know, you got Joshua, it's from Australia, Joshua, Leonardo, we know what's going on in Australia right now, they filled up a stadium, 25,000 kids coming get your vaccination, oh, guess who's not invited?

Who, your parents are not invited? You know, concentration camp, they got three people die from COVID, they're doing what they're doing, do they have freedoms? Is that the right way of approaching things? How about Hadi Shapan? Hadi Shapan, who is an Iranian body, but the goal

explain to him, screw your freedom. Go explain to him what's going on, you know, Iran right now would screw your freedom. What the hell do you mean, screw your freedom? Because somebody doesn't want to wear a mask, because somebody doesn't want to get a vaccine, so let me get to straight. If somebody doesn't want to take the vaccine or put on a mask, that person is somebody that you say screw your freedom, I have a very hard time with that. I think it's out of touch. I think he is trying to please an audience. I don't know why. I think standing up he was very brave to stand up against Trump and make those videos and say all the stuff that he said. But nowadays he's

just trying to you know win the wrong audience and I don't know what is going on through his mind when he does this. Nobody knows the whole story about that. So he was your hero. Have you lost respect for him? Where's he at on your mantle right now? Yeah, you know what it is. To me, it's when you forget, like listen,

when a person, okay, so for example, I have, we just had a conventional last week, right? Don't lost Vegas. One of the things I remind my guys to follow, and I say, listen, I don't care if you make a half a million year, a million year, 10 million year, 20 million year. The day you can no longer relate to the $15 an hour person, you lose the game.

The movie, the movie gladiator where Marcus Aurelius, not Marcus Aurelius, where Gladius Maximus is asking his owner, he says, I want to earn my freedom. What did he say? When the crowd, when what? When the hearts, when the crowd. When the crowd, when you're freedom, right? Okay, great.

Arnold, you won the crowd. You won your freedom. Did you forget? Did you forget what a totalitarian regime did to you? Did you forget what it was like being where you were at? Well, you have no say. You can't say anything like that the way you just did right now. You can't get on a video and say certain things

in certain countries. You know what's going on in Afghanistan? How scared people are going to explain to those guys screw your freedom. Yeah, the guys go holding on to their bare hands. Go tell the woman in Afghanistan, hey, sorry, you can't go to school anymore. Your dream was to be a journalist.

One girl, their interview, and she's speaking eloquently in English, better than I speak in English. And she says, one of my dreams is I told my journalist boss that I work for. I said, one day I want to own that chair. I want to be sitting in your chair because I want to be like you a boss, a woman saying that in Afghanistan. Guess what? She could do that last week. It's over. She can no longer do that. Kids are going through what they're going through right now. Girls are afraid of a guy's being interviewed. He says, I am afraid for my life.

Me and my sister are living together. My dad, they got killed. My mom got killed. I'm by myself. He's shivering. Shivering while they're screaming in the back, death upon America. Yes, screw your freedom, Arnold.

What the hell happened with perspective? What happened with perspective? Are you just trying to get aligned with your best friend Tom Hanks and some of these other guys? I'm sorry. This is what bothers me the most. Look, we're friends. Yes?

Okay, we can hang out and have a conversation together, right? Dude, no matter how much I love you, I'm not gonna compromise. How much I respect capitalism. No matter how much I love you, cannot change my mind on capitalism. Capitalism is capitalism. No matter who's my, I love my mother.

She cannot change my thoughts on communism, not being a good system. I love my mom. She's in the top three list of people, top seven people I got four kids now, top seven eight people in my life. Even a woman I love cannot change my values on what I saw happen to her family,

what happened to different countries, what happened to different countries, and what happened to us coming over to America. I'm an Iranian guy. What the hell are we doing here? Because we escaped something. We escaped something. Go ahead and explain, screw your freedom. So for me, the moment you cross that line, when you say some like that, just because you

want a one line or a CNN, a guy was messaging me saying, the only reason he said that is because he is becoming irrelevant and he wants to kind of get some, what do you call it? saying, the only reason he said that is because he is becoming irrelevant and he wants to kind of get some, what do you call it? Press, traction. I disagree with that. Arnold's never gonna be irrelevant. Arnold's a governor, you know, high-spade actors in the top list, you know,

Mary the Kennedy, seven-time, a straw-impure, the guy's legacy is stacked. He's got a resume that's very few people in America have the guys resume, very, very few people. He has an opportunity today to actually unite America. A guy like Arnold could be a synergist, but he's becoming a guy that's dividing. A guy like Arnold could be one to say,

look, I disagree that you don't wanna take the vaccine. I disagree that you don't wanna put the mask on, but let me tell you something, what brought me to America was freedoms. And I'm willing to fight for you to have the freedom to take it or not to take it. Do you know that would make people want to take the vaccine more than the prochi took? I don't know if that made sense or not. If you took the approach to say, look, I understand you don't want to take the vaccine.

I understand you don't want to put the mask on. I get that. I totally understand. I'm out there with only 28% of African Americans are getting the vaccine. 72% are now, which means they don't trust taking a vaccine. And the vaccine is available to everybody. Who do they not trust? Does I mean, African Americans don't trust the government? The government is biting. How do you not trust Biden? So, wait, you saying screw your freedom? Are you telling African Americans

screw you? Are you, are you saying? Are you telling all the African Americans 72% that didn't get you telling them to screw their freedom? What do you want to, do you know their history? Do you know what they didn't have for 400 years? Do you know their history? You're telling African America to screw your freedom? I'm sorry, buddy. I don't like that. And let me get to straight. Isn't the position as a guy who is politically he ran as a Republican. Nobody thinks he's a Republican. He's probably a center center left. I would put him a center left guy. I don't know if he's a Center guy. I would put center left is where he is And you're in the state of California Listen

Hispanics and African Americans kind of don't trust this stuff You want to tell him screw their freedoms? Yeah, you may want to kind of back down a little when you say something That's an insult to certain people. I want to think about it I want to kind of do my own research back down a little when you say something, that's an insult to certain people. I wanna think about it. I wanna kinda do my own research. Maybe I'm willing to take the vaccine. Maybe it's gonna take me a minute to take it, but the approach you take, it's an insult.

So again, I'm not, you know, there used to be time where people would tell me, don't say things like that because he may never do an interview with you. My dream in my life is not to interview Arnold. I don't wake up in the morning saying, oh my gosh, let me sell the right things because I'm walking on exos God forbid I have an Arnold because he will never do an interview.

I don't care. That's not my MO. What my MO is freedom and knowing the fact that the people in America that forgot how special this country is to be re-reminded. The last seven days, you look at Australia, you look at Afghanistan, you look at Haiti. Those are three signs to remind you

how ridiculous the incredible of a country America is. One is infrastructure, one is Alaska, we saw an earthquake bringing down and 1400 people dying in America. I live in LA, earthquakes happen all the time. How come we don't have that kind of stuff? Strong infrastructure, next one is what? Freedoms that we have women, we celebrate women women victories here. We celebrate women go once a last

I mean even thought about a woman cannot be a lawyer or a doctor That's that's over there though So the message of what Arnold said to me is a lot deeper than just hey screw your freedom. It's a lot deeper message and For the people are like well, you know pad. He's probably never gonna sit down with you. That's not my goal I've got a crazy idea for the people are like, well, you know, Pat, he's probably never gonna sit down with you. That's not my goal on life. So I've got a crazy idea. Adam's gonna put up $5 million, we're gonna do a sit down.

I'm not sure if he's an Arnold. We're gonna get it going. It's unfortunate because this guy's a hero. This guy's a hero, this guy's a man I admire a lot. If you touched on this briefly, if he actually wanted to be a synergist, what would be in his playbook? What kind of rhetoric? What is a synergist? What kind of moves? I'm packed a mindset be a synergist, what would be in his playbook? What kind of rhetoric?

What is a synergist? What kind of move? What do you do? I'm back to mindset of a synergist. What, give me the number one quality of a synergist. They're willing to listen. They respect both sides. That's a synergist.

And he's not. But they actually, you can't fake that respect. No. You have to genuinely respect both sides. And these quote unquote elites elites I keep talking about they very clearly don't respect anybody else. They don't have to you don't have to respect. Let me let me choose my words carefully. You don't have to respect what they're saying but you can respect their right to say it. So Darryl Davis the the guy the black man that sits down with the KKK hates

everything that comes out of their mouth. Sure. But he's willing and has the enough respect for them to say, Hey, look, you're entitled to your thoughts. You're entitled to your opinions. But just to be clear here though, we're not comparing people who want the right to their bodily autonomy to the KKK. No, it just, it comes down to respect. Look, I respect the other people's opinion.

I sat down with David Horowitz. I don't know if you know david or which is he's the father of uh... been or what's his son is worth three and a half billion dollars david or which is a legendary author wrote a different box and he started the interview these democrats are commies i said david can't say that they are as you can say that i think you think you're gonna be able to change people minds by calling democrats comis i'm sorry this whole thing with the taliban Taliban and Afghanistan, guess what? Hillary said to Biden, don't

do it. Hillary's a Democrat. To me, Hillary's a Democrat Democrat, like a real Democrat, right? Minus all the favors and all the money with Haiti and all that other mess that she did. You know, on the crazy side that she is with a lot of controversy that comes, she came out and she said, don't do it. Don't pull out of of Afghanistan can't to reserize don't pull out of Afghanistan maybe put a little bit of experience to know it's not a good idea to pull out the will you pull that their democrats so they was a no but all democrats are commoners no so comments like that yeah when you make you ain't converting nobody like zero zero yeah when you say screw your freedom tell you like do

you think do you think that so think about that comment for yourself you're playing to your base is what you're saying what is the matter with you people that already agree with your edges can continue to do that I'm a diehard laker fan do I sit there and say lakers can't do anything wrong now it's not my style so I can say all the good things about lakers for them to be what he called it bulletproof. It's just not my style. So you know, this is why when you hear people from their own side calling out somebody on their own side, they gain credibility.

Like Tucker said, look, I think we should have left Afghanistan a long time ago, but the way we did it was wrong. So what's he saying? He's a green. That hey, we should. Yeah, so you got to kind of say, listen, good for. Or even Bill Mar or even John Stewart

recently calling out your own side. Arnold had an opportunity to be one of the biggest synergies in America. He screwed up Arnold, screw your freedom is what you say. You screwed up your chance to be a synergist. And synergist to me is way above being a voice for the Republican

or the Democratic Party. It's way above that. Let me ask you this though, because I'm of the opinion and I agree not all Democrats are communists, but I do believe in my heart that there are died in the world communists in the Democratic Party right now that are posing as Democrats. I don't disagree. And I think we have to out that. But, but, but I don't disagree with that. But the word, the key word is what? What's the key word? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh I love you, but Adam is my favorite. You know what? Guess what? I love it. Because his discussion is debate is discourse. I'm comfortable with that.

As long as we're having these real conversations together, guess what? More power to you. I like you. You do have a shocking amount of like socialists that follow you. Like not Democrats. Like you have a shocking amount. Socialists. Because he, he, he socialist. I will interview just about anybody.

Tell me I'll sit down with them. I'm very comfortable with that. Because to me, I think a good debate is where people are. And my goal is more to be a synergist in life than to be a person that's used by a political party just because, hey, go up there and let's use this guy. Yeah, you can use me. I'm totally fine with that.

I think man ups, there's use of certain people, but the message I'm gonna say is a message that's gonna be what I really believe in. Some of it you're gonna like, some of it you're not gonna like. I think that's really noble, but I, man, I just, I feel like these guys use that kindness as a weakness.

I feel like, especially in this moment, the look, just call it what it is. We're going, we're living through a global communist revolution. We are. We are living through a global communist revolution. We are. We are living through China on the move. China overtaking us into becoming the world's, there's no question about China making that move.

They're making the move, all right? And they're hiding their true intentions and they've been doing this for a decade under the guise of other things. It's not communism, it's humanitarianism. It's not communism, it's the Green New Deal. It's not communism, it's humanitarianism, it's not communism, it's the green new deal. It's not communism, it's black lives matter. It's not communism. It's, if your ideology is so noble, if your worldview is so good, why do you constantly

have to hide your intentions? That, to me, is the biggest red flag of all. If this grand ideal, this utopian egalitarian ideal is so good, why do you constantly have to lie about what it is? And that, to me, is the big red flag. And if we don't call it out, if we don't say, no, no, no, no, no, no, this has nothing to do with climate crisis now.

It's gone in the last 10 years, it's gone from global warming to climate change to the climate crisis. And I'm not saying that it doesn't exist all I'm saying is the messaging is getting more and more and more extreme Okay The reasoning behind it now becomes oh We have to completely change all the industries into our control and all of the money that you earn and money Just represents the hours of your life

So all the hours of your life now come in my control. And let's say AOC, for example, okay. How does me giving you all my money change the weather? You got to prove your work there. You got to show your work. You can't just make blanket statements where it is the climate crisis, we need to act now.

Okay, give me 90% of your income and I'll make the weather change. Okay, bartender, how? Tell me how. I'm not saying no, tell me 90% of your income and I'll make the weather change. Okay bartender how Tell me how I'm not saying no tell me how it's just it's communism under these different names They are using what's the last you watch 1984? I read the book I read the book I read or well once a year depending on what have you read it? You have a red it or yeah back in the day five. I don't think we're living through 84 I think we're living through Fahrenheit 451. Have you, do you remember the story or not? Yeah, and that was also, what was the animal farm?

Yeah, that's another world, right? Yeah, or yeah, same ribosos. Yeah, animal farm is just an allegory for the Bolshevik revolution. Yeah, it's, you know, it's, the biggest thing is, the biggest thing is to be, to not be naive about what is going on today. Not to be naive, naive like for example, okay

So take a take what's going on right now with Afghanistan and what's going on with Taliban? Who's happy? That's what I want to know China why? They can't stop winning Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan Well, there's a whole there's a whole Let's go there. So let's go into that. So let's go into the Afghanistan and Taliban. What's the place? Well, let me read the story and I will get into it Obviously at this point in the game a guy what story is it on is it on page two or three page three And then it goes into page four. There's a bunch of stuff there So I'm gonna go through some of the stuff

with Taliban and Afghanistan so Taliban enter afghan capital as you diplomats evacuate the chop, a Reuters story. Taliban insurgents entered Afghanistan, capital Kabul on Sunday as the United States evacuated diplomats from the embassy by helicopter. More American troops were being sent to help

in the evacuations after the Taliban's lightning. Advances brought the Islamist group to Kabul in a matter of days just last week, the US intelligence estimates that Kabul could hold that for at least three months after US letforces. With through the bulk of their remaining troops in the last month, the Taliban campaign accelerate as the Afghan military defenses appear to collapse. President Joe Biden on Saturday, the author, as a deployment of 5,000 US troops to

have evacuated the citizens and ensure an orderly and safe drawdown of the military personnel. US defense officials said that included a thousand newly approved troops from the 82nd Airborne Division. Kai, can you pull up that video? I want to show the video with the plane. It's pretty, I mean, at this point of the game, people have seen this. This thing's probably gone a billion views, and not just this video here. I mean, there's going to make it bigger.

So this is a C17, it's called the Ghost Master, Boeing. People are hanging on. Those people shouldn't be on the runway, by the way. Because they wanna leave, they don't wanna stay. They're so scared. Now give the other video of the plane taking off, Kai.

Oh, that's that's tough. I don't know if, well listen, this next part either watch it or don't watch it but watch it at your own discretion because do you have it or you don't have a guy. Oh it's coming up okay it right there that's the one okay check this out that's just a picture. Yeah it's see if you can find a video Kai. Do you have you seen the video? For people that don't know what it is man it's the people were literally hanging on to the wings and then they fall off in midair.

Kai, obviously it's not here. Can you go find a video? And again, it needs to be said, there are not people clinging on to their fingernails into the wings of airplanes to escape capitalist America. There are not people floating on rafts made of trash to escape capitalist America. You don't...

No, the audio a little bit. There's people on by the way. And the guy's laughing. That's not even the one I'm looking at. I'm looking for the one where the plane takes off and you see two bodies Yeah, you know, that's the one. That's the one. Watch this 7.6 million views. Look at that Oh, that's a body. That's another body. That's two bodies Mm-hmm Posit that's that's a disturbing scene. It's your friend on it right? Um

So again, I got a bunch of notes here, but I'll go to you guys. What are your thoughts when you see what's going on over there? The decision, all of it. Yeah, I've actually taken some time to really do some research here and really just kind of formulate my thoughts. So I can kind of express this very clearly. So look, let's just break this down into what was then, what is occurring now, and what the future will hold, right? So what was then?

So we first and foremost before we even get into any the politics or what's going on just respect and appreciation for the American troops that have been over there for the last 20 years and appreciation for the American troops that have been over there for the last 20 years giving their life for this cause. I think you as a former army veteran and we have Marines here, let's just start with with that first and foremost. As well as the Afghani people that, you know,

there's translators and communicators and everyone that's been involved, what 6,000 Americans have, have given their lives in over 100,000 Afghanis 20 20 years two trillion dollars. That's what's been when we went there Whoa, where are goals initially? We had a few different goals specifically take down al-Qaeda not the Taliban Al-Qaeda number two find Osama bin Laden. I know you interviewed his niece That took ten years to do we went in there in 2001 after 9-11, and then when did Obama find him in 2011, I want to say?

So 10 years of doing that. In my opinion, we should have got the hell out of there after our mission was accomplished with Osama bin Laden. For the past, I don't know, five years, whether it was Trump now Biden, Trump ran on no more endless wars, get the hell out of Afghanistan. Didn't he not?

No more endless wars. What the hell are we doing here? So this is not actually a political thing. That's actually a peaceful four years when he was president. It was not a lot of time. Two Shay, two Shay. He what? Back in 2020, he negotiated with the Taliban, the Afghani government wasn't even in the

room when he was negotiating with the Taliban the Afghani government wasn't even in the room when he was negotiating with the Taliban That should have been a telltale sign the Afghani government no longer controls this country Trump negotiated with the Taliban So the writing's been on the wall. This was in May of 2020 They said September 11th of 2021 the 20 year anniversary of not 11 we're all getting out of there. So abide and just basically Followed through what Trump was doing so that that was then the American people definitely do not have an appetite for this of not 11, we're all getting out of there. So a Biden just basically followed through what Trump was doing. So that was then. The American people definitely do not have an appetite

for this war anymore. For the most part, the overall sentiment is, let's get out of there. Now, talk about today, it's a freaking shit show. Nobody wants this type of exit strategy leaving Afghanistan. Nobody wants that. What's for sure, and we've seen this in Vietnam,

I can talk about, we can go back in the day, Judah and the Maccabees, when Jewish people were fighting, whoever was attacking Israel, there's a big difference in willpower. So when you have the Taliban, they're not going in it, they're not stopping. They're not ceasing. We've been going after them for 20 years, it's like whack-a-mold.

You're not stopping these people. And on other side you have the Afghan forces who are basically mercenaries getting paid The money's dried up. They stopped fighting have they even fought they even have the willpower the appetite to fight anymore clearly not President Ghani ashrav Ghani he's left the country. He's nowhere to be found they're gone so the Taliban how that've talked, we're gonna, we're gonna touch on how they've been making money, drugs and opium and basically taxing people. They've controlled half the country for a while now. I do sympathize with the women,

like what you talked about, the girl, what's the young girl's name? Who won the Nobel Peace Prize? Malala, she's come out there and she's definitely vocalized and emphasized the need for humanitarian and women and bringing maybe immigrants back to United States. But Biden basically came out in his speech yesterday and he says the buck stops with me.

Whether you agree with him or not agree with him, I at least respect the fact that he's owning up to this. He's taking ownership. He's not saying anyone else. Yeah, he said we did not think it was gonna escalate this fast it took 90 day they expected 90 days that happened in 10 days which was faster than we took over the country in 2001 let me put a a bow on this whole thing and that's what's going on now let's talk about the future and you brought up China this is a regional issue okay united states has been dabbling in this war, it's our

longest war in American history for 20 years now. What have we accomplished? We're not building democracies, we're not doing anything, we're not nation building this point, this is a counterterrorism mission. So moving forward, what will our future look like? There's one country, there's two countries at the center of all this, and there will be from backlash from there. The countries at the center of this are obviously Pakistan who's been supporting Taliban not so secretly

for 20 years. And in my, and then who's supporting Pakistan? China. China is right behind Pakistan, basically saying, we got your back. So the country that I think needs to step up in all this and the absence of the United States is India. They border China, I'm sorry, they border China,

they border Pakistan, they're right on the border of Afghanistan. And if they don't want this shit show to come into their country and have, I mean, the border of Pakistan and India has already been called the most dangerous border in the world. So in my opinion, let's get to see what happens. There's disputed territories as well.

Of course. But basically in that region, obviously you have Iran, you have Russia, and it's just, let's just see what happens there. And last but not least, let's see what happens here in the United States, because there's going to be political fallout from this. This is help Biden, this is hurt Biden, the midterms, short term, let's focus on short term, this is not a good look.

Long term, he's going to be able to say, I got us out of Afghanistan. Obviously he's thinking about that when the midterms come around or if he runs for re-election. So at the end of the day, does this situation make America look strong or weak in my opinion weak? And we'll see you actually what happens long term. Gerard. All right. Um, a lot to unpack there, but all right, the couple different things.

All right. What we're seeing right now play out is, uh, kind of the end of imperialist foreign policy. Right. It doesn't make any sense anymore to essentially colonize. It makes no sense. We have ICBM missiles, we have, we have submarines, we've got satellites, we have global conflict technology

where you don't need these proxy wars to set up pseudo borders and launch points, right? So Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan Afghanistan was about a launch point to get into the east if there was ever a conflict to get into Russia to get into Pakistan and then into North Korea and China, right? This actually goes back to Bush pre 9-11. He ran on this thing called the road map to peace one of the things You know with with our propaganda system that goes back to the Bush-Chainy rumsfeld days, he was going to go into Iraq no matter what. He was going to finish the job that his dad didn't finish for this road map to peace.

This is how he was going to solve the Israel. He was saying Bush-Juneer. Yes. And then when 9-11 happened and everybody knew it was coming from Afghanistan, really Saudi Arabia too, but we never did anything with Saudi Arabia. And Iran never did anything with Iran. We went into Iraq and we weapons and mass destruction and all that stuff, but it ended up being part of this whole original plan of the quote-unquote road map to peace,

where they were going to basically essentially try to colonize a strip from the Mediterranean Sea all the way through Afghanistan and that would be the basis of operations for them to invade anywhere in the world, right? But what we've seen is democracies can't win long term. I don't think so. I think Stalin was right. I don't think we have the the stomach for blood for war. We shouldn't have been there in the very first place. Everybody knew we shouldn't have been there in the very first place. Everybody knew we shouldn't have been there in the first place, all right?

And we needed to find a shun lad. But he was in Pakistan. Right. So we spent 20 years and trillions of dollars in Afghanistan, right? And look, man, the thing, I feel our foreign policy doesn't work because we can't, Xi Jinping is going to be in power until we die. We're going to have a new regime every eight years, every four years. How can

we have, how can we possibly as a nation compete against the 30, 40, 50 year plan? How can we possibly compete against somebody that has the resources and he has the wherewithal and the job security to have a 25 30 year plan. Hey, I'm not going to worry about competing with America today in 1990. I'm going to make sure I funnel so much money into their media and their education system that their children are my allies. And I'm still going to be in power. How do we compete against something like that? How do we compete if the left and the right are so far divided in our country that there's no actual we talked about synergy There's no synergy in our goals. There's no synergy in what we want right now

Depending on where your political ideology is we don't even live in the same reality anymore Right, so I I Feared this should not be a left or right thing Inabsolutely is I fear that this should not be a left or right thing. More or another guess. I'm not worse. It absolutely is. It's still worse. Like right off the bat, you know, your reaction, and it was a good reaction to him in Rome,

but your reaction wants to be like, well, Trump and then also Biden, so it was a left and right thing to you. Well, I'm not stating the facts there. I said specifically, this is not politically. Do you think anybody in China saying, well, this is a Gigi P thing? No, he doesn't have to worry about that. We cannot compete against global powers that are

authoritarian and nature and dictatorial because we don't have a standardized foreign policy. We are foreign policy changes every four years. Yeah, well, that's democracy for you. Well, the thing is then then guys pull all the way out. If you're not going to do Total War, if it's not going to be Von Klauswitz, like you said, if we're going to allow the Macabees, if we're going to allow Vietnam, where all they have to do is just without weight public opinion. We don't have to fight, we just run, out weight public opinion,

just drain them, bleed them out, bleed them out, drain them dry, and then when they're gone, boom, we're coming back and anybody who ever helped. Let me, these foreigners, let me ask you guys a question. Let me ask have a question. I interview this guy last week, because two weeks ago, I mean, it's David Vine. Liberal, on the left, openly, set it on the interview.

It wasn't like he was playing, hey, well, you know, on both sides, he wrote a book called the United States of War. It says, a global history of America's endless conflict from Columbus to the Islamic State. He says in the last 245 years, what was the number? He says, U.S. has not been at war only 11 years. I think that was the number.

He said 11 years. 11 years. Nonstop, we've been at war for the last 245 years. Look at the amount of money we spend on our defense buzzer, Pat. I get that. So then he goes into saying, well, you know, here's how many military bases we have, here's how much money, we're spending, et cetera, et cetera.

Okay. So when I did the tax video about two months ago, remember, remember the whole tax video I did, one of the things I found that is the fact that US has 800 military bases in some 70 plus countries, right? I got a question for you. He's saying we pull out of everywhere, is what he's saying, okay.

China's got one military base, and we know where that is in the Jibu. Jibu, of course you're never going to forget the name of it. So they had the Bahamas, the military active military bases, Jibouti right by the you know the Chocot, Rysuos Canal. And for obvious reasons they rely 72% of their oil from the Middle East so they have to kind of protect that from them. We have like what 800 bases. We have 800 bases. So here's remember here's a couple questions for you Here's a couple questions for you What would what would happen if we pulled out every military base in the world? What would happen if we did immediately? What would happen if we took the next five years to say we're pulling

Everything out the good the bad the ugly me give me what happens good if we pull out They were good as we save a lot of money. We save a lot of money. Do we though? That'd be a mess. Potentially, but there's gonna be a lot of backlash from that. So, so let's go there. So number one, we save money.

Let's just save because, okay, we save money. Number two, maybe we're not getting involved in that everyone's mirror-idol issues. Kind of figured out, we're not your savior anymore. Give me the bat, give me the ugly. Here's the bat. Go ahead. We're still living, we're still catching the fall out

of a post cold war foreign policy. We had all those bases to secure energy independence and they, these people, the Reagan doctrine and you know, Rumsfeld after that, this was because the, depending more with Russia, any day we needed to make sure our oil reserves we had we had it all right now rushes russia's been gone we've we've never really pulled out of that i don't believe in imperialism because i believe in capitalism you don't need to take over mexico to extract resources you don't need to invade them you just put him down on the starbucks and you extract resources for value capitalism for all of for all of the BS we hear from the communist, capitalism stops imperialism, capitalism stops colonialism

because you don't need to spend human capital. Matter of fact, the more you kill people wherever you are, the more you destroy infrastructure, the harder it is to extract wealth. So instead of going into a place and decimating it and taking it over, and then you have to administrative and spending trillions of dollars, you just come in and you're like,

hey guys, you ever had a what a burger? It's kind of good, you're gonna love this thing. Okay, give me the bat, what else is the bat? Give me the bat and the ugly, that's what I'm interested in. I'm pulling out the bases. If we pull that, the 800 mil. The end of that, the end of that thing

is that we then use those bases not for, cause we didn't need to fight the cold warning more, we use it as payoffs, We've been paying people off. That's what, that, that was Trump's biggest mistake, quote unquote, is he stopped the global bribery. He stopped, he got us out of the Paris Accord, he got us out of the, the, the climate accord, he got us out of the WHO. We have been giving taxpayer money to, to, to desks bits, to, to, to, to, to, to, to,

to leaders. For 30 years, billions and billions of billions of dollars of taxpayer money to Despits to to Tolitarian regimes to leaders for 30 years billions and billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer money We've basically been buying peace. We've been buying influence if we pull that away like Trump did he pulled that money away The global the global regime came and got rid of them got rid all I'm sorry What a time magazine called fortified the election? Whatever they got rid of them. You pull the bases away. I fear the power vacuum that's created, China comes in and just starts cutting the checks. China comes in and starts doing what we did.

I'll say something else. Something that I remember, we started addressing when you did the tax video and we talked about the different bases is that we need to stop fighting wars like we did 50 years ago about the different bases is that we need to stop fighting wars like we did 50 years ago and with these bases. Cyber, bio warfare, obviously ransomware, everything that's going on with that, that's where our focus should be.

The days of having bases and fighting wars like from the Cold War days like Gerard says I do agree It's we need to change our approach. So our old school approach in Afghanistan Maybe when look the Afghanistan is we're not just going all right. We out piece We're gonna be moderating the situation Maybe there's a way to rather than troops on the ground Figure out cyber warfare against the Taliban. That's figure out how to take their money,

figure out how to destroy their infrastructure, their way of thinking. Is it the naive way of thinking? That's because. It's something needs to change. No, no, no, no. Let me explain to what I mean by naive way of thinking. Okay, that works if both sides are willing to negotiate.

You think you're dealing with reasonable people on the Taliban 0% so what makes you think? They're willing to work with you. So here's a whole thing They're saying their interview and they're saying oh, we understand are the last time we did it didn't work We need to work with women and women need to be able to go to school I haven't on the girl says so can they dress like me? No, no, they can't do like you. They have to cover their face Why it's Islamic but nowhere in the Bible? No, we're in the Quran says, so can they dress like me? No, no, they can't do like you. They have to cover their face. Why? It's Islamic. But nowhere in the Bible, nowhere in the Quran says that,

no, no, it's dead. And you have to, and he's like, no, we are going to take care of girls. He's like, yeah, okay. So let's just say, so some people are like, wow, that's great. They're gonna let take care of girls and women and all this other stuff.

Yeah. This reminds me of what it was like when we lived in Iran. Okay. I'm an October 1878 baby. Shah was in power. Iran was doing good. Middle East was at peace. Iran got along with everybody.

Iran got along with Israel. Iran got along with US. Iran had relationships with pretty much everybody around the world. Russia, US, Europe, UK, there were dealings. It's not the Iran that we know today. Not at all. Have you seen the show? Iran, the world. Russia, US, Europe, UK, there were dealings. It's not the Iran that we know today. Not at all. Have you seen so many? So many times.

By the way, Iranian women, if you go Iran type in 70s, type in Iran in 70, Kai, type in Iran in 60s and 70s. Like people don't realize the mountain, ski, and Sinatra going there. Everybody would go to Iran to party. It was kind of like an older Iran in Zebias. That's literally it. That's Iran before the revolution. Yeah, Iran, go to that website. There's a website that you, okay, right there, right there.

Click on that website, right there. Go to that and go to the pictures, okay. This is Iran pre-revolution. Go down so you can see the pictures. If you go a little lower, they should pop up, one by one by one. Okay, that's the woman of your own. They cannot dress like that today. That's an Iranian woman. Look at that right there Sean Cleaveridge. Try Sean Cleaveridge. It looks like they're happy of the 70s.

Well, but this was Iran. That's like a lot. Women had power, women had that's a Faroqzada right there. That's a very legendary guy right there. So, by the way, close your eyes at him. That's Iran. Dylan would be fired up about all these pictures right now. That's sad and terrible. More deeply, moral, the story is this. Iran is doing great. And everybody, Homanie started calling the Shah,

puppet of what? America. Puppet of America. Oh my gosh, puppet of America. Oh my gosh, what a great, that's Iran by the way skiing. Iran's mountain skiing is one of the best in the world by the way. So, people used to go there for vacation, right?

And then fast forward to today, fast forward to today, what's going on with Iran? Well, Jimmy Carter, similar situation as Biden, well, let's not get involved, Kissinger, we're gonna help you. Shout, don't worry about it. We're gonna help you. We're gonna help you. Hey, I kinda need help.

It's getting pretty crazy. And 9 million people revolted. We're sorry, we can't help you. How to help you go up against 9 million people? You can't. The same scene you saw with telecompers and planes landing, type in Chomeini, Iran airport, revolution, type in Chomeini, K-H-O-K-H-O-M-I-N-I,

I-N-I, I-N-I, yeah. And then type in Revolution, Rev-V-O, Reve-Lotion, yeah. Iran Airport. Okay, look at this airport. Tell me what this reminds you of. Go images, what does this remind you of? Okay. That at this airport. Tell me what this reminds you of. Go images. What does this remind you of? Okay, that's the airport him landing

Okay, they can't control any of it. He comes from air France to Iran. It's absolute insanity Biggest revolution in the in the history of world nine million Iranians revolted over tapes that Chomene was sending from France to Iran. Why did the people of Iran want the change? Because Chomene said, the Shah is getting richer, Iran's getting richer, and that money should be yours. Kai, we can stop it. That money should be yours. If you vote me and I'll give you a free place to live,

there's a message of it, you should listen to. Chomene says, I'm gonna give you free rice, free housing, free everything. If you get me elected, we are rich enough to be able to do everything for you for free. Cheese in the trash. How much of this was religion based? It wasn't religion. It was all so. It was socioeconomic. The little so. So she economic. Let's turn against this guy's becoming too rich. What

happens? They come in. They take over. What happens? He run. Shit show. Shit show. It's done. Half a million people died in the 80s, wars, Saddam Hussein, etc. etc. So here's the point I'm trying to make to you. So for me when I'm talking to David Vine, I said, David, you seem like a sweetheart. I mean, I used to work against them because that's a qualified sweetheart. He says, we think we need to stop and we need to stop with what? And I said, I said, so here's a question for you. This is, I'm taking a complete different angle with it. I said, let me ask you a question. If you kill someone's father,

how long does that boy think about the fact that you killed his father? I saw that clip by the way. That was, he's never gonna forget. Are you kidding? Look, what are you talking about? He's never gonna. You killed my father, you killed my brother,

you killed my sister, you killed my brother. You killed my father. I'm coming after you, that's it. It's over. So now take that story times 50,000 people like that. Okay, more than that. I'm just giving you a small, I'm talking rage at that level. So you say we're going to pull out because we are now going to be very peaceful, top of

the regime and we're not going to, we're just going to change it up is what we're going to do. You know what that's kind of like? That's kind of like a football coach going from a defensive team to an offensive team and you're just gonna, we're just gonna change it up is what we're gonna do. You know what that's kinda like? That's kinda like a football coach going from a defensive team to an offensive team and you're just a defensive guy. You're changing your strategy, middle of a game. You're gonna win. You're a defensive team.

Are you saying that you think there's gonna be massive blowback on the after game? Just wait, just wait, just wait. The same people that they let out of the whole human rights movement that Jimmy Carter was on. The same people that let they let out from what he called it, the Iranian human rights of 3000. That's what format it. I interviewed a former Taliban that is now an MI6 guy, interviewed him a month ago, six weeks ago, Kai. What was his name?

Oman, O, Aiman, and you should see some of the stuff he's talking about. Aiman Dean, Aiman Dean, right? And you should see what he says about what took place there's gonna be such pushback with this because now here's what happens you officially gave they said well by the says well you know the afghani military strong they have three hundred thousand soldiers the Taliban only has seventy five thousand really

the Taliban seventy five thousand you know what's gonna happen to afghanistan's a training ground to recruiting camp. They're gonna recruit and train recruit and train their And they're and their you know they they released all the criminals from prison You to hear about it. They they they completely Unloaded yeah exactly. That's the plate. They unleashed the prisoners same exact they were all they Exactly and these people that were in Guantanamo Bay nonetheless. Yeah. Well, this you don't think they're freaking angry. This goes back to what we're talking about. The point I'm trying to make to you. Here's the point I'm trying to make to you. I'm sitting there

saying we got 800 military bases, right? And it costs us 50 billion a year to manage this 800 military bases. I'm shocked. That's not a lot of money. I thought it would be a big amount. David Vine said it's only 50. I'm not going 50 billion. That's not a lot of money about the way. I thought it would be a bigger number. David Vines, that's only 50 billion. That's not a lot of money. That's not a lot of money. So 50 billion, to me, I think 50 billion is worth it. If you ask me if it's only 50 billion, I thought it would be a half a trillion dollars.

I thought it would be a massive number. It's only 50 billion. All I'm saying is, this is not gonna go away. Stay tuned for something pretty tragic to happen again that's gonna be at the levels of what we saw and many people are speculating and saying this. And then one, the guys asked the military general, I don't know if you guys saw this,

you said it when they said, so how did the Taliban get their weapons? And the guys like, I can't comment on that. I'm sorry, how do they get all their weapons? Fast and furious. How do they get all their weapons? Where's that coming from? A lot of it came from Russia, a lot of it came from the,

they took it from the Afghani military. Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it?

Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? Who's from the Afghani military that left it? or going across because the borders to the West, you got Pakistan South, you got a lot of stuff going over. The massive question, right?

I mean, both you guys, we've been there 20 years. Clearly the exit strategy is not looking good. Biden has sent I think 5,000, 6,000 more troops to secure a peaceful transition and get our people out of there. Okay, how long would we have to stay there? We're never gonna fix this part of the world. They're never gonna wanna have a democracy.

The people of the Taliban, you think they're just gonna switch over their wind, their hearts and minds. How long, what's long do we say? Another decade, another two decade, till 2050. To your year 3000, we're never gonna win this war. You don't go in at all, or if you go in, you win. You decimate your hands. Here's how I see it not going in at all That's an option that's been done 20 years there. How long should we have jails?

How long should we have jails? Yeah, how long should we have jails the jail system? How long should we have it? Should we just like 10 more years not going any we should get away just let's just do 10 more years of jails And let's let's get it over with that jails in the United States. How long do we want to have jails across the world though? I but what I'm trying to tell you is these criminals hate your country. Pro they hate America. I don't know any other way to say it. They hate what we stand for. They hate women being free.

They hate gays. They cannot stand the gay population. If you're gay and Taliban, they don't, they destroy you. They kill you, they don't kill you. It's a public humiliation type of a situation. They have to make an example out of you. CNN says they're very friendly.

Yeah, CNN says, well, they're, should their screaming death upon America, but they're being very friendly about it. Very bizarre. That was her line. Yeah, well, that's, that's one line out of it. I totally get that. Outers of, but the point of, That was her line. Yeah, that's that's one line I totally get ours of but the point is defendant that's fine, but the matter that look Listen, like the point. I'm talking about just the point of one little line, but that's a pretty bad line by the way

Like they're saying that they're not anyway That's kind of like saying listen, you know, you know, they rip Johnny's mom, but you know what for whatever reason they just give you Nice guy. Nice guy. Nice guy. Clearly, she said the line that you're missing is she's, oh, this is the most bizarre thing ever. I just said, exactly. Yeah, exactly. I said it is bizarre.

Yeah, but that's kind of like saying, same guy that killed my such and such, she just gave me a gift. That's very bizarre. Why would, listen, you understand us like a strategy behind it. All I'm saying to you is the following, I hate wasting money. I hate wasting money. I can't do it. I totally agree to you is the following. I hate wasting money. I hate wasting money. I can't do it. I totally agree with you on that.

I can't stand wasting money. But bro, I'm not gonna lie to you, man. As a kid, till I'm 42 years old, till today. Right? You know, till today, I have to sit certain places in a certain way. I still have a certain level of paranoia. 42 freaking years old, I live in America,

and I'm still paranoid. You're 10 years as a kid level of paranoia. 42 freaking years old, I live in America, and I'm still paranoid. You're 10 years as a kid, I live there. Every day you worry, you go in places, story on the news, car bomb on the bottom, guy turning on boom, it blew up. Every day news, flagellating. These visuals don't get out of your brain as a kid. These are anxiety stuff that stays in here.

A lot of kids are gonna go through this, bro. And to think about the fact that those 50,000 kids that you killed their dads, their moms, their sister, their brother, you did that, they're not going away. That's a rage for a long time. So here's the reason why I don't believe world peace exists is a follow-on reason. You know how they say, first you eat the apple

and then come sin, right? How many people do I need to kill for revenge to be stick around? How much is the back and forth? So somebody kills your dad or your mom or your wife or your girl. What are you going to do? You're going to say, you know what? As a Muslim or a Christian, I believe in forgiveness. It's okay, man.

Don't worry about it. What are you gonna do? So then that comes back. So we are so into deep right now to get back to it. You know who's gonna lose? Here's who's gonna lose. Guy messaging me says, Patrick, have a real Muslim on your show.

I've had Muslims on my show. I'll have more Muslims on my show. But the point becomes, hey, the extremist. Well, you know, there's 75% of Muslims are not extremists. You're right. The 25% are is what Bill Marset on his show, on his debating ban act flag, and they're both on the same side politically. This isn't about the reasonable people.

This is about the unreasonable people, and the unreasonable people are typically willing to go to measures that reasonable people are not willing to go to. So for you to think about pulling out today, you're into deep, buddy. You're just into deep. This Taliban is not going to forget. You think 9-11 happened? This is going to be 20 year anniversary. Whatever you do in this 9-11, all I would tell you is wouldn't go too big, what do you call it? It's not a big city. I wouldn't go to anywhere. There's a lot of people there.

It's one to do it. Not that's 9-11. So warning that another 9-11 is positive. It's 20 year anniversary. I know that because this 9-10 becomes 20 years since I worked at Morgan Stanley Deanwooder. Have an idea, a little man on the street for 9-11. Yeah.

But all I'm saying to you is, I'm all about saving. Let's get out of it. But, you know, so. Are you basically saying that we should have not left and we should have not left forever? Like we're gonna be in Afghanistan forever. Listen, I'll answer the question with a question. How many more years until we get rid

of all the jails in America? Yeah, never. Miss the same exact answer. So once we go in, we're in. Once you arrest a person for a crime, you can't just create that system one time. It stays. The moment you kill somebody, an innocent person, retaliation is permanent the galean dialectic I it's just not gonna go away, bro It's not and unfortunately whether you like it or not America's been involved in a lot of different things. It's we're too into deep to want to say you know And by the way, okay, let's just say let's pull out. Let's play the game. Let's play the game good bad ugly

Let's just say we pull out, okay? Who kind of wants to rule the world? China. What do they want to do? Do they want to rule the world because they want everybody to become a capitalist? No. They want to rule the world

because they want everybody to think like who? Themself. Like the China, right? Okay. So specifically the Chinese government. So let me ask you a question here. Here's a question for you. Maybe China's sitting there waiting for us to leave

for them to come in. And if they come in, who becomes a hero? China. Yeah, they've already offered to help. Good luck. Did you see the article in the Wall Street Journal? By the way, we can come in and help you guys. If we leave.

If we leave. If we leave. If we leave, US leaves. And China comes in, takes 100 of those places. They're not going to go to all the 800, but let's just say they come and takes 100 of those places. They're not gonna go to all the 800, but let's just say they come and take 100 of those places. That city, that country, the Afghani civilians are gonna hate America for leaving,

and they're gonna say China's here to save us. And what would China be doing while they're there? The China's here. Just helping build infrastructure. Provide protection. Provide protection. To who, the Taliban? No. To the Afghan government. Yes. So then theyide protection. To who, the Taliban? No.

To the Afghan government. Yes. So then they're gonna go to war with the Taliban? You think the Taliban wants China there? If China, you think you did it with a small regime? First, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. If China right now wanted to destroy Taliban,

you think it could do it? Yeah, I don't think the Taliban, I don't think the Taliban fears America because they just have to wait four years. I think that they know that we gotta deal with Xi Jinping, he's gonna be here forever. Do you think, do you think if China really won't? Well, we've had four presidents that have been brought.

You're right. Between Bush, Obama, Trump, and now Biden. So it's not like the regime has changed. The media has been after that. By the way, people say it out of FD. You understand? That's not happening. This is not a topic that I'm saying is Republican or Democrat, but I agree.

This is an American issue. No, no, this is an American issue. But for me, if you leave the alternative, it's gonna be very ugly. Well, we are leaving. So we're just, you know, it's gonna be ugly. I agree it's gonna be pretty.

And it's gonna be decades of ugly. But I think, look, did Russia go to war with Afghanistan in what the 70s, when was this? It's like the graveyard of empires. It's a proct. So if China wants to try and figure out the Taliban, good luck, Mr. Ping.

The, I just, we're going back to the four-point. There's the synergist in this situation. And how can you be a synergist? Again, going back, like, with people that are being either willingly naive, listening to stuff that they know is not real, or you have people that are outweighed lying because all they want is to get their way.

They don't care if the world burns as long as their side rules the ashes. How do you create that synergy? What matters most in your country, by the way? What matters most in your country by the way. What matters most in your life? In me right now? Your life. My family.

So number one, you be a sinner just for your family. You gotta bring your family together. What's number two after family? Right now in this environment, freedom, country. Yeah, so then you gotta be a synergist to your country. What's dirt? So family country, what's dirt? Everything else is a pretty far.

My friends. Okay, friends is dirt. So you gotta be a united of your buddies. Like real good buddies that you guys are friends, couple them or having beef against each other, you gotta try to what? Bring them together, right, unify. What's next? Diffuse, unify glue.

No, what I'm saying to you is, no, he's asking you question. He's asking a question about being a synergist in an environment like that. Like that? No, what I'm trying to tell you is you can't. Yeah. You can't. In a phantom, you ever had a relative that's not willing to negotiate with another relative? You ever had somebody?

Yes. Okay, what can you do in a situation like that? There's nothing you can do. There's nothing you can do nothing about it. You can do nothing about it. Okay, what can you do in a situation like that? Very lot you could do. It's nothing. You can't do nothing about it. You can't do nothing about it. I got a couple guys in a couple, no matter what I do, nothing's gonna happen.

Nothing's gonna happen. They're dividers. I can't do nothing about them. Well, that's the whole thing with the Taliban and the perversion of Islam. They have their thoughts and they have their mentality. You're not changing what? What I'm saying to you is, we as a unit has to be united.

We are not. We have to be united. We're not. We have to be united. We're not united. We're not united. So for us, where we are as a nation, we are not united. On this issue, you're saying? We're just not on any issue. Not on this issue, bro. We're not united. America does, there are American politicians that don't think America's a great country. That's a scary thought. Mm-hmm. It's like working for Google and hating Google. How to help you hire somebody to work for Google who hates Google thinks Facebook's a scary thought. I was like working for Google and hating Google. How to held you higher somebody to work for Google who hates Google thinks Facebook's better

than Google. Room number one. Get the hell out of Google. Well, that's I think that's a problem on the left and the right. On the left, you have socialists that hate the idea of America. And on the right, ironically, you have anti-government, you know, small, small government, in government running a big government. Yeah, the government's not America. We need to be very clear. Yeah, that's not what I want. I want small government people in our government

because they're going to stop the socialists from adding government. So I think that that's a mischaracter. Look, all I'm saying to you is if we go at this pace and we think, let's just pull out of everywhere and everyone's gonna be civil, it ain't gonna be the case. This is gonna get ugly.

And somebody behind closers right now, you know what's happening behind closed doors? Okay, would you say the Taliban are aspirational people? Yeah. You think they're ambitious? Yeah. You think, and if for us, if our heroes, name your heroes, whoever your heroes are,

we talked about it the other time. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Let's just say Arnold's a hero for whoever your heroes are, we talked about it the other time. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Let's just say Arnold's a hero for some people that are coming up. Maybe not the way he comments he made this week, but let's just say Arnold's a hero to some people, some Michael's a hero to some people. Say Reagan's heroes, say John F. Kennedy's a hero. These are some heroes to people, right?

Okay. Who is, added those 75,000 Taliban, take the top 1% most ambitious people. Who's that 1%'s hero? They all have some have been lied. Bingo. Bingo when I grow up. That's not changing. Whether we're there or not there. It's not about now. It's not really. Really? I disagree. Let me ask you. Here's a question for you. Let me ask you. Trump gets on a radio with Rush Limbaugh and says, if Iranian does anything and f's with us, do you remember that? Yeah. What did Iran do?

When Trump killed the Rosam Soleimani, what did Iran do? They bombed outside of the Bay of Shit. They didn't do shit. Nothing. Go ahead do something. Yeah, there is something. So, it's, I'm sorry.

No people feared your leader. Yeah. There's a part of that that's healthy. Strong man. And we're satisfied. It's healthy. Mm-hmm. Not because we're gonna do nothing.

I sat next to Mike Tyson. I'm interviewing him. I felt his energy that if something went down, he's gonna whoops, I'm an- What do you say he was gonna fight a lion? No, he would sleep with two tigers on the night. Okay, who's what he said? He had five tigers, right?

But the point I'm trying to make to you is people like to be around other men or women who are respected and feared. Countries need to have a little bit of that. So the point is when you're saying what is gonna happen with these guys? ISIS was quite under Trump. ISIS was quite under Trump. You have to know certain things like this. You know, this, this, this almost, and I've said some things about Trump, some Trump followers are not fans of me. And they'll say, well, Pat, this pat that.

Listen, it's moments like this, where people sit there and say, listen, that Churchill guy, man, he's pretty, you know, I don't know about Churchill, sit there and say listen that Churchill guy man He's pretty, yeah, I don't know about Churchill, but look there's any guy that can go up against a guy like Hitler It's probably Churchill. He can probably pull it off. It's times like this where people are sitting there saying You know, I don't like that guy. I can't stand him. I'm a Democrat But when he was there, ISIS was quiet. Nobody was doing anything. I wonder how he would have handled this They may not say publicly, but there's something, like let's actually play the game.

Let's play a game. Here's a game for you. Okay, here's a game for you. Trump's president. He goes one more term, Afghanistan Taliban. What is Trump doing right now? First of all, does Trump do the exit the way that Biden did it?

No, he did it, how Biden did it. But he has been calling for an exit of Afghanistan. He's never been a, he never, what president bush did it. No, he did it. How'd Biden did it? But he has been calling for an exit of a benefit. He never got what President Bush did. Exactly. He's made calling for times the same. So he said it publicly. Yes, not for this. Exactly. But I tell you, how does he do it? Look, if you're exiting this place, there, there had to be a cleaner plan than this. If the Taliban did this intelligence failure, what is Trump doing right now? What is Trump doing right now? If this happened, what is Trump doing right now?

I think he says, if they are going this course, he would say something to the effect of, we're gonna be pulling our people out. If any of you motherfuckers touch any of our bases, any of our people are trying to leave, we're gonna rain down crazy hell and fear. Do you think the Taliban would believe him? I actually do. Okay, that's our people are trying to leave. We're going to rain down crazy hell and fear down on you. Do you think the Taliban would believe him?

I actually do. Okay, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Sometimes, in my opinion, we'd still be leaving as my point. No, we'd have a safe exit. It's not the point. Listen, you're right. We would be leaving, but nobody fears our current president. Nancy Pelosi says, we are watching you if you do something to the woman

and the gross what the what are you talking about? We're watching you. We're talking about we're watching. That's not how life works. Threats don't work that way, bro. What do you say? We're watching you. No, it's times like this. It's times like this when you sit there and say, yeah, I get it. Maybe during peacetime, I kind of, maybe I don't want Trump during peacetime, but I'm not gonna lie to you during wartime. I kind of want to bat us guy like that right now. During wartime, because if, let's just say 9-11 happens this year.

What, where do the American people gonna be saying? Say, say some happens 9-11 this year. What American people gonna be saying? And by the way, who becomes a hero overnight? Who? Of course it is. So I said this a while back. I said when a girlfriend, say girl dates a guy like me.

Or like let's just say, everybody here at this table is relatively big and you're gonna make the girl feel safe. Say girl dates a guy like you, okay? You're 200 pounds, 61. What are you, 61? Six foot 200. Okay, six foot 200, okay.

And he leaves you for Calvin Klein model. She leaves you for Calvin Klein again again five eight one twenty five Okay, then pulls all that stuff, right? Yeah, she's at the club You're there You guys broke up two months ago. She left you for that guy Craziest brawl takes a breaks out crazy is brawl crazy as brawl takes a breaks out crazy as brawl beer is being thrown around this Calvin Klein model was standing there oh my god I got my scratches I cannot do the photo shoot next week

who's she going and hung hanging out to to feel safe you or the Calvin Klein model? hopefully not Gerard and comes over to me what point I'm trying to make to is Biden is the Calvin Klein model you are Trump. Yeah I hear you say that's the point I'm trying to make you. Well, I think ultimately what you're saying, and this goes back to politics and election,

and we wanted, you know, war time, there is a difference between domestic policy and international foreign policy, for sure. So, Biden, a lot of the reason he was elected, was he goes, look, we're gonna calm things down. Yeah, mean tweets. All the mean tweets, all the mean tweets, everything that's going on, let's just defuse the situation. And internationally, the US's reputation

has certainly been damaged over the last four years. I'm looking, I'm talking about polls. You know what I'm talking about polls. Not as mad. You're talking about polls. However, in the, however, in the, however, as you can't just say, I don't know what he's just saying.

I'm sorry. If you look at, if you look state like that. I'm sorry if you look at you What do you say can you repeat what you just look at US standings globally in the world they'll have Where people viewed US under a box which people which people? Yes, you have to qualify that there a lot of do we have time to pull up the we have time to pull up You think the people marching through the the streets of Paris hate Trump right now Or do you think macron hate Trump? Do you think you think the the elites hate them? Or do you think the people marching through against the hey pull up the polls anyway? But pull up the polls from the liberal places then in times of war you think the world like Trump more than no

I might think are you actually saying that that's the point? I'm trying to his point is the point They didn't like it. They couldn't have their way with them. I, I think I think. Are you actually saying that? That's the point I'm trying to, his point is the point. They didn't like it, they couldn't have their way with them. I'm not even, I'm trying to. I'm not even, I'm trying to. Mutually, I'm trying to. You're talking about governments.

You're talking about governments. I'm talking about the world, overall sentiment, liked Obama more than Trump. I don't think that's a dispute. I can't possibly say that. Public, that's not the, that's not the,

just say international perspective Obama versus Trump. Anyway, my point is that it's back to your point. And a time of war, things Trump. Anyway, my point is this, back to your point. And a time of war, things change, clearly, right? Yeah, but that statement doesn't carry a lot of weight. To say, this is not my opinion. One time of war, we literally talked about earlier than the show that it was only 11 years without war. First of all, let me look, I run into a guy,

okay, who's from another insurance company. If I can get your attention, Kai, you do it without the screen, just kind of do it on your own, let me look, I run into a guy, okay, who's from another insurance company. If I can get your attention, you know, you do it without the screen, just kind of do it on your own, on your iPad, and if you find it, put the screen up. Run into a guy from a competitor. And he comes and starts talking to me. And we start talking. I don't know who he's with. And in all of this, he's like, pretty chill guy.

I'm like, yeah, why? So, well, let me tell you, man, where I'm at, you have no idea how much shit they talk about you. The stuff they say about you, I thought you were like, freaking a monster. Dude, I watch your stuff, you're actually pretty chill guy. I said, so, why am I a monster? Well, let me tell you what they told.

And so, what they tell you about me? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, I'm like, it's pretty interesting. That's like a freaking movie star. Like, if I'm that scary, I'm impressed by my, you know, by the characterization of some of my competitors. Fantastic. Great. I'll take it. You know, it's a nice little story you got there.

Media is why the world hates Trump or anybody. If anybody loves a president, is because a media has convinced the world to love them or not to love them. That means nothing to me when somebody says something like that. When they say, Hey, this person's love, their dispensers, not not whatever. The part of Obama that I'll tell you is I've never watched an Obama interview, Leno Letterman any of these guys. We're a walk away saying, I wouldn't want to have an beer with this guy. I think we'd actually have a pretty good conversation together. It seems like a chill guy. You ever been asked a hard question? Ever? It's not the hard question part. I first go to the individual.

Now, Carter, Carter's a sweetheart of a man. Great man. Man, man, right? But a leader, president, maybe one of the worst presidents we've ever had, if you look at Carter. And that's kind of set on both sides. It's not me saying to anybody else I say to it. But on paper, his campaign was a right campaign. Human rights backfire.

Kind of backfire in a major way. War time. You need a wartime leader. This is a pretty crazy time right now that we're facing. A wartime guy got a vaccine done in nine months, not a peacetime president. The peacetime president I was campaigning said he would never take Trump's vaccine. That's Biden. And the vaccine that got done a nine months, Biden's now going out there getting 165 million people to get the vaccine. Because of wartime leader put pressure behind people's vaccine, we got to get this thing done.

Fauci said it'll take 18 months. Trump got it done a nine months by working with his corporation. So people have to realize there's a big difference. Again, going back to the saying, there's three types of people in every company. There is the visionary, there is the barbarian, and there is the asshole or the son of a bitch. Unfortunately, in a situation like that, you kind of need a son of a bitch to be on your side. It's kind of what you need right now. Because this officially, you gave them so much

momentum in Afghanistan to the Taliban, so much, and they're not going to slow down. So anyways, we'll see what's going to. It's gonna take us a few weeks to see what is gonna be taking place. Kai, I'd like to do one more story before we wrap this podcast up in the next hour here. In the next 10 minutes here. Talk about your boy, Cuomo, or what's happening in New York? Let's do New York since you got some thoughts on that.

Gerard, I'm gonna give that one to you. I'll tee it up to page number six if you wanna go to it. Keys to New York City. Indoor vaccine mandate begins Monday, ABC 7, New York. Entertainment venues, gyms and indoor dining will soon be off limits for unvaccinated New Yorkers. New York City Indoor vaccine mandates takes effect on Monday as part of Mayor de Blasios. Key to New York City plan.

The citywide mandate will be the first in a nation vaccine requirement for employees and customers for vendors to hold fast kitchen and spirits, they'll ask for proof of vaccination along with a photo ID to make sure you are who you say you are, but not everyone is thrilled about the new mandates. That's part of the reason, protesters gathered outside of Gracie mentions on, Gracie mentioned on Sunday afternoon,

amongst the people taking part of the protest was Republican mayoral candidate Curtis Sleewa and Andrew Giuliani, who is running for New York governor. Dr. Justin Trudeau. Not Giuliani's kid. Yeah. Well, this ties in nicely to what you're talking about, about strong men before. And then, you know, this puts a bow on today's podcast because I don't think Bill de

Blasio is a Democrat. Bill de Blasio is a communist. Bill de Blasio is a straight up authoritarian. He's a communist. He's an actual was at one point a registered communist, him and his wife. So he has no problem with authoritarianism. This is a guy who shut down everybody's business. Just imagine being a business owner in New York right now.

You have two different perspectives. First of all, Bill de Blasio says essentially white people are evil and we need to do everything that we possibly can for equity. His wife is that she loses a billion dollars. This is true. She misappropriates a billion dollars of public funds. It was for some mental health initiative completely went missing into the ether.

And instead of there being an investigation, instead of there being a resignation, instead of there being an arrest, she got promoted. This is the mayor's wife who was elected to nothing. She got promoted. She's now the head of equity and inclusion. They took all of the COVID money and they decide who gets to disperse it so it's more racially equitable. Okay, basically it's they have control over the per strings of federal

money. This is a woman who stole a billion dollars of taxpayer money now gets more. So they shut down the businesses. They put them at This is a woman who stole a billion dollars of taxpayer money now gets more. So they shut down the businesses. They put them at restrictions closing them five hours earlier. They put them at restrictions where they can only be half capacity. This is still at $28 to $32 a square foot of real estate. They squeezed business completely out. Now people are coming back and they're saying, if you can't prove vaccination, you can't eat,

you can't have access to the subway, you can't have access to the bus. How are you supposed to get around? Basically, what they're saying, they're exiling you from New York society. You cannot function, you can't eat, you can't use any public services because you won't consume a farm,

because you won't, maybe you did, because you won't show proof farm, because you won't, maybe you did, because you won't show proof that you consumed a pharmaceutical product. Imagine them forcing you to show proof that you had valtrex, that you didn't have herpes before you went into a club. It's a pharmaceutical product. It's the most outrageous thing I've ever heard in my life.

And like you said before, only 28% of African Americans, only 28% of black people have vaccinated. So you you said before, only 28% of African Americans, only 28% of black people have vaccinated. So you're telling me, you got 62%, 72% of all black people in New York are not going to be allowed to go into a bodega. They're not going to be allowed to buy a gatorade. They're not going to be allowed to go into a bar. It's racist. It's, yeah, well, the new Jim Crowe. That would be, that would be a little bit racist, wouldn't it be? What I'm worried, man, is you talked about it before, like authoritarian

earnings, only understand authority. Strong men only understand strong men. Mutually a short destruction is the only way these people back off. You can't negotiate with these people. You can't wait for them. Oh no, they'll get over this. The carons aren't going to suddenly

going to come to their senses. A lot of these people, and I truly believe this in the depths of my soul, they would rather watch people die than admit they were wrong. So I definitely wouldn't bet my life on it. The people of New York either do what I did and leave or find your stones, man. Find your stones and just say no. Rand Paul had a great video that if they try to arrest him at the Capitol, he's not going to go quietly. If they try to shut him out and they ask his people at the Capitol, he's not going to he's not going to go quietly.

If they try to shut him out and they ask his people to show papers, he's not going to say, yes, he's not going to comply. We are now at the point where you cannot comply. You have to push back. You have to be disobedient. The future belongs to the disobedient. The more that they push and push and push and we don't push back the further it goes. The people of New York, the people of New Jersey, my friends, my family, if you are watching this, I am begging you, push back.

I am begging you to make it awkward. I am begging you to do. Dare that cop to arrest you. He's not going to. Forget them at the top. They never have to live by their own rules. They never live by their own rules. They never live by their own rules. They force you to wear a mask,

then they have 700 people at a birthday party, no masks. They force you to shut your business, then their people march 800,000 deep. They never play by their rules. Stop playing by their rules. Force their hand. Walk into that restaurant. Walk right past it, grab the burger.

They're not going to arrest you. And if they do arrest you in arrest you and if they do arrest you in New York if they do arrest you there's no bail there's no bail in New York anymore it's catch and release nothing's going to happen to you nothing's going to happen to you it's catch and release push back disobey the police officers that are watching this don't do your job there's there's moral there's morally right there's legal and there's morality I'm begging you I'm literally looking into the camera taking part moral, there's morally right. There's legal and there's morality. I'm begging you. I'm literally looking into the camera. There's a part of this. There's a part of this step. I get what you're saying. There's a part of this on what you're saying is to play

their games against them. Slavery was legal, Pat. It doesn't mean you should enforce it. I totally get it. And I don't think you're saying to do anything, you know, go out there, you know, you're not saying for people to go do anything criminal. I don't think you're suggesting that. I don't think that's what you're suggesting because if you suggest that, that's, they, well, look, if they're making, if they're making your ability to live your life and consume nutrients a crime, then I am saying, yeah, I, well, I, well, I wouldn't go that far. Here's what I will tell you. I wouldn't go that far. Here's what I will tell you.

I trust in people, not all of them, but I trust in a good majority portion of people that have common sense. Give you an idea. I'm supposed to be this week in New York at a whole week set up to be in New York. You know why it's not in New York? You know why I'm not doing a meeting?

We change it next week. Why am I holding podcasts this week? I'm supposed to be in New York. Do you know why we's not in New York? You know why I'm not doing a meeting? We changed it next week. Why am I holding podcasts this week? I'm supposed to be in New York. Do you know why we're not doing what I'm going to do? Because the past starts this week. Because the 40 people I'm having in a meeting with this week in New York, we're supposed to meet at restaurants. And everybody asked the awkward question.

And they said, wow, I kind of don't want to ask this question because it's not on my business. But I think it's fair to say out of all the 40 people that were meeting sit on together not otherwise probably not the vaccine card So can we just go across and change the plans? We have to change plans one week delay to go to Connecticut Because Connecticut doesn't go by the same rules as New York City does we shift it just because of what the blasio did I'm supposed to be thousands of dollars at that cost. I don't want to lose that. You're not, it's not thousands of dollars. A lot more than a thousands of dollars. It's hundreds of dollars.

It's a lot of money. So the point is, we're going to Connecticut just because of a law. So I'm just one person. This is 40 of us. How many people just set the same kind of a conversation together? And it's not even, by the way, these are not anti-vaxxers.

80% of the guys have taken a vaccine. That way, this is not, this is 80% of the guys that were sitting down with their like, do it. People who took the vaccine like, I just kind of don't want to say this because some of my peers that I do business with, they're not taking a vaccine and they're in New York and unfortunately they're not going to be able to go into this rest. Good for those men. This is not about the vaccine.

It's about being asked to show your papers. But the direction I'm going to you is the following direction I'm taking the angle I'm taking to you is I trust you You want to take that position? Because your position is the same as our nose position screw your freedom It's not my style to do that. My position is Arnold. You want to say that? No problem. Some people are leaving your camp Some people are leaving your camp. My position is, no problem to Blasio. Guess what? Even more of a mass exodus. People are leaving your town.

And by the way, somebody told me behind closed doors. Very interesting message that came in. A guy that's involved with somewhat in politics, but not a big name. He says, one of the bigger reasons why there was such a big push for Cuomo to resign is because Cuomo wasn't for demandatory vaccine card the bless your was

oh quomo wasn't for far left push yeah so the far left push chroma because he didn't want to do the uh... vaccine card and but quomo couldn't say that publicly because you know then you're kind of playing the game even dirtier as a business owner

which is what i suggest to do by the way don't business owners have a say in this matter. If they don't want to enforce it within their business, they don't have to. But if they want to enforce it, isn't that their right as a business owner? Yeah, let me tell you what happens. Here's what happens. Say you do that. Let's just say you do that. Yeah. Okay. What percentage of the people that are your customers agree with your position of you don't have to wear a mask when you come? Yeah, who knows? Give me percentage. What percentage disagree with you? 90%. Okay. So 10% of New York your customers agree with your position of you don't have to wear a mask when you come here. Who knows?

What percentage disagree with you? 90%. Okay. So 10% of New York City people like New York City. No, no, no. What percentage of your clients that come to you are going to be like everybody should wear a mask? 10% is really loud.

Give me a percentage. 80% 70%. A people who would disagree? No. Some people who say, Adam, how come you're not making that customer wear a mask? And you say, Mary, I'm okay if he doesn't wear a mask. Didn't you hear what the mayor said, which percentage of customers are gonna be like

the guy you just acted like? It's very small, I bet you. I'm just giving you a number. Of the complainers you're saying? Complainers. I don't know, probably 80-20 rule, right? 80% are gonna complain? 20% are the complainers?

Yeah. Let's just say 20% one out of five. How many do you need to send a note to the mayor talking about the fact that you're letting customers come in without a mask, long one? of five. How many do you need to send a note to the mayor talking about the fact that you're letting customers come in without a mask, long one? So now, you're talking about restaurant bars, what the hell we tell you? How are you gonna wear a mask in a restaurant?

What are you talking about, bro? What are you talking about? The biggest charade out there is, you don't wear a mask when you walk in the restaurant but then taking it off as soon as you sit down. You don't remember all these guys that were coming in and shutting down gyms. You don't remember that gympon of that law, of course gyms. You don't remember that gym owner that lost his ass.

I mean, a guy's coming. They got, of course. Yeah. What am I trying to, the point I'm trying to make to use the fact that if they want to shut down your restaurant, Mayor de Blasio can. And he can send people to say, we're shutting down this restaurant. We're taking you permits away. Pack it in the question.

The moment you lose permits. Yeah. Let me say one last thing. I remember being 16 or 17, 18, and everyone was getting a fake ID. It was like college, or we got drink. Guys, how many fake vaccines? How many fake vaccines?

Dude, they're still the father's son. Get a roasted for fake vaccine. How many fake vaccines? Dude, they're still like the other. They're talking about chipping you now. They're talking about putting a tracker on your phone, dude. They're talking about that. You got them on.

They're talking about that. And that's the father's son. Pat, let me ask you a question, because I know we're running short on time. All right. What do we do in this moment? How do we fight back? How do we get our freedoms back?

What are the powers towards to fly? Got you. Yeah, but that's the part like that. By the way, we should take a shower right now. We've crossed 3500. We don't have that. We should, we will have to in honor of right now. We've crossed 3500. We don't have to stop here anymore. We will have an honor of 3500.

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