PBD Podcast - "Alec Went On A Blackout" - Daniel Baldwin: Rust Shooting, Trump Drama, Family FEUD & Diddy Parties! | PBD Podcast | Ep. 516

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

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said a word. I mean, I would never allow an election to affect whether I love my brother Alec, whereas he has absolutely allowed that to occur in the family with myself and other members. Last five years, I've been tough with that guy. I've had to endure a lot in the last couple of years over his problem that he had. Was he the better actor? Was he the best actor in the family?

Hmm. At seven years old, I was seven, Alec was 9 1 1⁄2. We said, can we use the camera? We lit stuff on fire, we got in trouble, we rolled my mother's car down the driveway. Do you know specifically people that were on that island that you knew in Hollywood? For sure.

For sure. For sure. Yeah, I saw some wild stuff. And he was at some of the ditty parties, he was in one of those bedrooms with three other men, and he's happily married to a woman. It was Babylonian, I called it. More people are getting bolder to put the stuff out about him.

What does that mean? It seems we get me in fights. That summer, no, I kid you not, that summer, that summer I got in seven fights. The next day, I could barely stand it. No, no, no, I mean... No, no, ago, I did a podcast with a Stephen Baldwin. I got to tell you, I had no idea what to expect. I'm like, I'm telling Rob, Rob, I don't know what's going to happen.

I don't know what we're going to do. I don't know what direction we're going in. Sometimes those turn into the best podcasts. We finish the conversation. I am entertained from the beginning to the end. Then I get a DM. So now, Steven is the youngest brother, okay? Then I get a DM from the second oldest brother, which is Daniel Baldwin. So wait a minute, I gotta come and set the record straight.

And then that led to today, us doing a podcast again, having you here. And I'm so honored to be on the show because I'm a big fan. Yeah, I appreciate that. And it's funny, if I close my eyes and listen to your voice and brother's voice, why is it you all sound alike? What is it with this voice of yours? So there's the radio voice that some of them do and the TV voice that some of them do or when they're trying to meet a girl, the voice they do. This is actually Alec and my voice. The rest of them kind of do a cheap impersonation of us. But I will tell you a very funny story.

The first time I ever did The Tonight Show, it was Jay Leno and I'm very nervous. And I had a recurring dream twice that when I walked out, I tripped and fell. Now I don't know anything about doing a big talk show. You know, I'm new to the game, I'm on a TV series. What year is this? This was... Oh, gosh, 89, 88, something like that. And so I walk out and I walk right in front of Jay and he goes, Daniel, thanks for doing the show. And I said, Jay, thanks for having me on. And as soon as I opened my mouth, he stops and he goes, you know, you boys look

so much alike from here to here, and you sound so much alike. To what do you attribute that to? I said, Jay, my mother and father were boring lovers. They did it in the same position all the time. I got a great laugh till I got home and got the message from my mother. What'd she say? She said, why would you... We've been brawling, kicking photographers, laying people out in bars. No one said a word. My mother, I talked about her sex life with my father, and she hit the ceiling. I told women from my church group to watch that show, Daniel, don't call this out. I

mean, she flipped out. She was sincerely pissed off. She was pissed. She was pissed that I said that. But how is it like, when I talk to Steven, and he's telling me the stories, right? I'm like, okay, four guys, four brothers, okay? And I'm learning more about Alec, you know, in school, president, ninth grade, 10th grade, 11th grade, he goes to college, all this stuff.

And then you, he said, well, the real guy with the ladies was really Daniel, you were the athlete, you were the, all this stuff. He's telling all these stories. And then all of you guys go into acting in Hollywood and I'm learning more about it. He gave me his version, what happened? Okay, so first of all, no, I love my brother Steven I'm not here to throw him under the bus

But as many people do you you can recognize when someone is saying a story about a group or saying a story about someone else and What they're really talking about is themselves. So in Steven's depiction that I heard he said well You know, we're all a bunch of dumb jocks and you know an, and Alec got in and we all said, oh, hey, we should do that too. No, that's not what happened. So as little kids, my father was a high school football coach and a school teacher at Massapieco High School on Long Island. The other high school in the town was Berner High School, where we all went to. So we played my father Thanksgiving Day for bragging rights for the entire town. Eight games, you could lose seven, you had to win that game. I am one of the few people that I know of that ever won the most valuable player of that game in a losing effort. We lost to my father, three nothing my senior year, the last play of the game in the mud and the rain and everything else. And I lost to my father, but was one of the MVPs of the game. So when Steven made the comment that

he was, and we were all jocks that followed Alec and I don't know of a single sport Steven played in high school. So I'm not sure what he's talking about about being a jock, although he was athletic, he didn't play any sports. So I think that kind of rules. I mean, listen, to give him credit, if you look at that picture right there, Steven's got a physique to the left. Yeah, no, listen, Steven could have played, but he didn't play anything that I think he wrestled in like eighth grade or something once. And you look very comfortable with yourself there. Listen, I depict what I depict.

I'm straight up the guy that you want to talk to when you want the facts. So Alec and I, as little kids, my father had a camera. They filmed the team they were going to play the next week. He asked the district for the camera. They said no. He bought an 8mm camera himself and would send a freshman coach or somebody else out to film the team we were playing next week to have scouting films to look at the team we were going to play. So that was for his high school, his football team. That camera sat around the house outside of football season. So at at seven years

old, I was seven, Alec was nine and a half, we said, can we use the camera? And the Cornelius brothers who lived behind us, Keith and Kevin Cornelius, they had a camera. We started making movies in our backyard with the Cornelius brothers in 1967. He was nine, you were seven. Nine, seven, went to the golf course,

sold nickel cups of iced tea to buy more 8mm film, and we were back in business. Fully understanding at that age, editing in the can. We had no editing facility in the beginning. So you came walking in, we filmed you, Patrick, and then stopped, handed you the camera, I reached into my coat, started to pull the gun out, stopped, took the camera back, you back. So we did all the editing while we shot it sequentially.

And we understood that at that age. That's where my interest in film started, working behind my brother, who was older than me, so I followed along and died 15 times in each movie. And I can remember being in the top bunk and tomorrow morning, you know what we do? We take some of the hairy snakes, we put them in Hellman's mayonnaise jar,

we light it up and it'll be a smokescreen. I'd be like, yeah! We'd be all fired up for special effects. We could do ourselves. We lit stuff on fire. We got in trouble. We rolled my mother's car down the driveway, and Alec would sit on a couple of telephone books and look,

James Bond. We did a series of Joe Cool movies, which were a spoof on Sean Connery's James Bond, where Alec played Bond. Now, I can remember all the way back then, I can remember acting through high school and plays, Alec acting in high school. Then Alec goes Bond. Now I can remember all the way back then, I can remember acting through high school and plays, Alec acting in high school, then Alec goes away to college. Now I'd be lying to tell you that his success

didn't pique people's interest. There's more of them, there's another one, there's another one, another one. So certainly that helped people in the business, but it had nothing. This was something that we talked about, and one of the greatest signatures to it was Ronald Reagan. Were we gonna get involved in politics, go to law school,

get involved in law, which is what my father wanted, or were we going to go into acting? And then we hear this guy, he becomes President of the United States, governor in multiple terms of California, the seventh most powerful, if California was a country, it would be the seventh most significant economic power in the world. So here's a guy who was arguably a B actor and he becomes president of the United States

And I'll never forget when he got elected going to Alex apartment going we can do both We can actually do both. So What year was that 84? So if it's 84 he becomes president, right? Your was at 84 82 when does he become 84 84? Okay. Yeah, 84. 84. Is it 84? Yeah, Carter was 80. 80, Carter was 80. Okay, so 84 becomes president. You just told me you just turned 63 or 64. 64, so I'm 24.

So you're 24, he's 26. An actor officially is the president. Guys, we can one day become, is that the conversation? This is actually the conversation. Where I turned around and I said to him, listen, we can go do the acting thing. We can hold off on anything to do with law school because he's already started by 84. You know soap opera kind of stuff. He's starting his career and i'm just coming out of college.

And so I turned around and I said to him look we could go pursue this and and I really thought believe it or not I really thought there was a chance because of his how smart he is and because of how silver tongue He is alex baldwin could have been my brother could have been president of the United States. I really believe if he had gone that route after say mid 90s, late 90s when he was at the top of his game and then jumped, but in recent years that we talked about it, his wife is not in favor of raising those kids in the White House. She does not want to be under that kind of scrutiny. She does not want to be there. And that's the reason that I understand is the reason why he's not running for president or not going to get involved in politics,

which believe it or not, prior to the last five years, I think he would have had a shot at being a Senator and working his way up the system. He's handsome, he's very, very bright, but it wasn't something he wanted to pursue. So, but definitely when Reagan was elected president, I thought, wow, you don't even have to be a huge star. Ronald Reagan was not a very super successful actor.

And certainly he had Nancy in his corner, who was the brains of the operation anyway, in my opinion. But he proved to me that we could do both if we wanted to. And as we look at where we are in our careers now, it's not something that I haven't talked to my wife about doing myself, not that I ever be president, but to go into politics in the next five years is something I might very well take a look at.

Really? Yeah. So when you guys, when you go back to seven, nine years old, you're doing the movies, right? Yeah. When you guys are kids, is William and Steven involved or what's the age difference with William and Steven? How much younger is Steven for me? So it's Beth the oldest Alec Daniel Billy Jane Stephen

We're all two two two years and and she when you're seven Stephen is one one. So Stephen's not doing anything and Williams not doing anything. Okay, so it's really only you and Alec Okay, so you guys are true older brothers to You know It's me and Alec. Okay, so you guys are true older brothers to, you know, Stephen and William. And when you guys start talking about politics, is that dad selling the dream to you guys? Hey, one of you guys is going to be a president like the Kennedys would? Is he pouring the vision or are you guys getting inspired? I think that because my father was a staunch Democrat, very much about rights, equality, was a big Kennedy

fan, huge Kennedy fan. I don't think it was so much because he wanted us to become president, as I think he always envisioned. My father was in law school and left school before he graduated and became a teacher for reasons, personal reasons of his own, I'm sure. I never really got to explore that much with him. My father died at 55. Yeah, young. But I think his vision for his namesake, particularly for Alec, was that Alec become a lawyer. I think that's what he always wanted. And initially, I think that there was

pressure on Alec to do that. I think that there was an unsaid kind of pressure on him. But I can recall my father living long enough to see Alec's success on TV. He'd bring a TV into his classroom, he was a high school teacher, and play Alec on the soap proper and watch it while he was teaching the class. And dad, who was the one, because he said Xander for president, Sex for president, right? Is that the one when Stephen said, Xander, dad came up with the campaign, right? What did sex stand for? Something something for president.

Do you remember that? No, I don't remember that. What did he say? Students elect Xander? Students elect Xander, Xander, yeah, for president. That's when he ran for high school. Right, that's when he ran for. And then Stephen said that Alec got discouraged in college when he didn't win being the college president

and then he dropped that. Was that the reason why he dropped that? Was it just Hollywood took off for him? No, he went left George Washington and went to NYU and he graduated. But I think that he was discouraged by not winning that. I think when you're used to being successful, it's hard to take those blows sometimes. Especially over here. And with Billy, so I can cap the rest of the Stephen story, his version of it. So Alec

and I talked for years about, did I ever imagine that we would all, one in 2,500 actors in Los Angeles makes enough money to not have to subsidize their income doing something else for a living. One in 2,500. Those are pretty disparaging odds. So to be one of those one in 2,500 and have made a career in a living of doing I'm more than grateful and blessed to be here with you today and, and still be able to make a living doing it. Billy, Billy never acted a day in his life. Billy's just really handsome. And Billy was standing in a party that I believe Alec brought him to. And Alec

was like, yeah, come to this party. It's going to be a lot of models. It's going to be a lot of really good looking people, people in the business. He's in New York. And Billy's wispy hair and he flips his hair back. And this woman walks up to him and goes, hey, my name is Nadia. I own men modeling agency. Have you ever thought about modeling?

And Billy went, no. She goes, well, you've got a very interesting look. Billy turns around and signs up with this woman with no interest that I knew of. And maybe have him on next and have him tell his version of it. But and blows up, goes to Italy, works on his book, meets, you know, all these people, becomes one of the first, if not the first Calvin Klein underwear man, Billy early on. I remember going downtown, being in a cab, looking up at that giant jumbotron going, and I got out of the cab. I pick up the payphone, no cell phones at the time,

and I call my brother Alec up and I go, you got to see this down at Times Square. Billy's on the jumbotron with like no shirt on and the hair falling in his face. Where is it? Yeah. No, it was an underwear shot. But anyway, you know, I, we just, we crap like Billy's on the, you know, he's in, how did this happen? You know, and that's the weird thing. When you look at the number of people that are successful, how bad the odds are, and then you look at how nepotistic it is, you understand if you're Charlie Sheen, your father's Martin Sheen, Drew Barrymore, John Barrymore, the Q-Sex parents both taught acting in Chicago.

Usually there's some seed, there was nobody in my... That's the part that's interesting. That's the part that's weird. So Alec wasn't a, you know, sometimes the oldest brothers like the second father, he's too close to have that kind of identity to you. Or was he seen like that? Were you guys afraid of Alec or no? It skipped. So one of the odd things when he makes the comment about being a jock was I grew very quickly. So after, you know, right into our teens, I was already nose to nose with Alec, you know what I mean? So if you guys fought, who would win?

By the time I was 16 or so, I think he knew what time it was. Yeah. But you can never really tag your brother, you know, like you could tag somebody you were in a fight with. You need to speak to my two boys. They need a little bit of that. So I can never wail away at them. But yeah, you know, there was some good athleticism and then there was me. You know, it was a little bit of a different bar. So you were like a different level of an athlete because the way Stephen put it, you were like the man. Oh yeah. No, no, no. I was much, much superior. Good enough to get to the next level. Yeah. College, you know, rang the doorbell and everything, but I just, you know, when you're from a family whose my dad was a school teacher.

So we had six kids, not a lot of money in the house, you know, trying to live on a six children, a school teacher salary. I got very interested in money. I got very interested in the proposition of making money. I never did much in my career before acting, or rather after acting, to focus on money. So every once in a while I take a crappy movie or whatever because they just dangled such a big carrot in front of me. I'm like, that'll pay my bills for a year. So I did some of those. But only in the last three to four years have I really looked at it because my wife is smarter than me You know, she's an attorney and she turned around she goes we need to put some money in the bank

We need to put this away you're old and and we need to do this now. No, I'm not kidding. Um, but But but I have focused a lot more on money and back then too. I like the idea of being able to give my mother I mean back in 1979 to hand my mother 500 bucks was a week salary for my father, you know, and I just was making money. When your dad was coaching the opposing team that you guys are gonna play against, and it's coming down to, coming time for the game,

the week of, how intense is the house? Is he talking shit? Are you guys talking shit? Or it's quiet, no one's talking. Mom is Switzerland, she's saying nothing, and my father's like, Saturday, baby, we'll see. You know, he's right. He was pointing at me, especially me. He, I think I was most like my father. And so he didn't give me a, you know, an inch. He was, is he, is he like this? Is this personality like you guys? Like, is he like that? Or is he a calmer, uh, he's, um, was he intense? He was intense. He wasn't as louder as gregarious probably as I am.

But if you pissed them off, you know, you didn't, my mother used my father as a weapon. I remember having this conversation with my wife recently where I, you know, you have the right to go, do you want me to tell your father? Do you want me to call your father? And we were like, yeah, please don't call him in because when he got upset, like, if you disrespected my mother if you use foul language if you did certain things you did not want that turned over to my father because

my father would take you by the throat put you up against a wall oh for sure who got in trouble the most oh that's hello hi welcome and thank you for flying is it because you you and him bumped heads or because you guys had the strongest personality what What was it? You know, it's interesting you would ask that because I just recently was kind of still researching that. You know, I have a young son, I have a much older son, and I have a young son, who's 18 months old, Bat. And I was talking with Deasia, my wife, about it. And I said, you know, I think in some ways with six kids, my misbehaving was seeking some type of love or attention for my father. So because it was spread so thinly, you know, that when I misspoke, when I, you know, misacted or got in trouble,

I got my father's one-on-one attention, which in a way, I think I equated being punished, being physically reprimanded at times as, as being loved. And so, cause I was, I was getting unique one-on-one attention from my father, which is a terrible way to go get it. And I don't think he always reacted to it the best way he could have. But you know what, when you got six, you're kind of on the move, you know? Papa was a rolling stone. So I don't fault anybody for anything they do.

It's all part of the journey. Politically, when I see the four of you, I wonder where that comes from, because it's so, all four of you are slightly different, right? I mean, not anymore. Were you ever the, was it ever the fully the same? Were you ever the four of you on the same page? Yes, Alec, well, Stephen was never really as opinionated or I think interested in Stephen's religious affiliation. Got him interested in politics. But Alec was the head of the Creative Coalition. Billy was the head of the Creative Coalition.

We definitely thumped hard, voted Democrat, registered as a Democrat for many years. Not until 2016 when they bought a guy, and I got to know people. Remember, if I'm going to play a NASA astronaut, if I'm doing Apollo 13, they're taking me to NASA. I'm training with astronauts. I mean, the amount of information, if I'm going to be a heart surgeon, I'm going to Hopkins with Jarvik and I'm watching him put in a Jarvik 7 in someone's chest. You get that kind of access. So as I learned more and made these friendships with people and I started looking at Trump and I started looking at the Republican Party What would people criticize RFK for jumping ship and I looked and I said yeah

But you know what for for for Jack Kennedy and for RFK senior if they saw what happened to the Democratic Party now If they saw what they were about now compared to what they thought it was about then, it's a very, very different ball game now. And I could no longer in good conscience back a horse that I didn't think was running to win. You know, I mean, I, I couldn't. And so, and, and I, and I still believe that now. So, and I got in all kinds of trouble and I'm the, definitely Steven was with me, which is, I'm shocked that Stephen has said things

on open social media. I'm no longer politically affiliated. I know I don't want, you know, I'm not in politics. Well, that's a hell of a time. That reminds me of Tim Walz saying right before you're about to get deployed, hey guys, good luck. Good luck to you.

Take care. I mean, you're gonna jump ship now? You're gonna say, even though you're not gonna back the other side, I backed the other side. I came right out of it this time in 2020 and now hard. 18 months ago, the FBI, according to Joe Rogan and some other sources, blacklisted me. The FBI blacklisted me because I got on the show way before it was popular or anyone else

had said it. And I said, do you really think that Joe Biden is going to run against Donald Trump? Do you think those people don't know he's going to get his ass kicked? He's never going to run against her. The only chance they have is if Michelle Obama runs, they need an African-American woman. Biden will get the nomination. They'll yank him for some ridiculous reason. He's sick. He's got an aneurysm, whatever it's going to be. And they'll put Michelle in. If Michelle runs,

they have a possible chance because it puts Barack back in. He was popular enough still to win. They didn't, they didn't pick the right to win. They didn't. They didn't pick the right horse because she probably didn't want to walk away from 70 million in the money they're making now. So they backcomma lowest approval rating in the history of vice presidency and they lost. They lost. But I said that was going to happen.

Just like I said, night after night, three, four, five nights out. This isn't close in Michigan. When I say close, I mean that she's a threat to win. She's going to lose every single one of the battleground states, every one of them. Billy turns around and writes, Billy and I were going at it. Alek and I don't even talk. Billy and I were going at it over this. And he said to me, oh, I guess pollsters around the world from Oxford, they know less than you do, Daniel. I said, Billy, follow the money. Just call up your guy in Vegas and ask him,

what are the odds? You think these people that are betting hundreds of millions of dollars on this event, just like a boxing match, just like, do they ever lose? Very rarely when they're betting that kind of money. And she was, he was a 63% to 37%, some ridiculous odds on Vegas. Why?

Because she was gonna beat her, that's why. And they knew something we didn't know, and I knew it too. So I said, next thing you know, I'm on a list. I sent to Tony, YouTube pulled my show. I have a podcast, I've had a podcast for years. I was on ESPN, I was on Fox, and my podcast gets pulled down from YouTube. You have misinformation, you are using,

I went, hang on a second. You guys stream Fox, you stream CSNBC, and you stream CNN on YouTube. You can watch those channels. Any piece of information that was on my show, I pulled the quote down, I pulled the picture down with the article, or I pulled the video down from those three sources so if you're streaming them what misinformation and I asked them you can appeal this decision I said okay I

appeal so I start going through the appeal progress they went we're not accepting your appeal why because I didn't fit into their their form of what they wanted to have what was it on a specific issue YouTube or what was it was it on a specific video where you said something or? Here's the interesting thing. Please tell me, please give me any example, they said examples of where I misinformed my audience, where I didn't say, and I think,

because I can give my opinion based on that article. Now, if you come out and you say someone's a pedophile, if you come out and you say, you better be able to back that up. There better be substantial information. I never did that. I said things like this woman is totally unqualified because she doesn't hit any of the three characteristics that I find the most compelling to elect someone. Number one, what is your plan? Number two, how do you plan on executing your plan? And number three, and the biggest one, where's

the money coming from? Because if you're going gonna say, I believe we should have fresh air. I believe good drinking water. These are all great things. How are you gonna clean up the water? How are you gonna deliver it? How are you gonna pay for it? Because there's two pots, the pot of the money that goes out and the pot of the money comes in.

So if you're gonna give the middle class a break and you're gonna let them save money on taxes, then you're depleting the pot that spends so how are you replenishing it billionaires will pay more money madam vice president what if that doesn't pass the house what if the Senate says no to that bill well that they they have to say no they don't no they don't have to say and by the way while you continue to trick the American people into believing that billionaires aren't paying for your campaign, they are.

It's just different billionaires. So you're going to make your friends pay more money in taxes to make up for the break you're giving them. It's all bullshit, Patrick. It's a game that we play. It's almost like a Harry Houdini illusion that there's no accountability. Where Trump won me over was in two places. It had to do with a mindset.

I'll never forget the day I looked and I went, man, that's brilliant. What are you going to do about the nuclear prolification of North Korea? They now have intercontinental ballistic missiles that can reach the coast of California and Trump went, nothing. Well, yeah, they could bomb San Francisco. They could, nothing. I'm from Queens. If we had a problem with a guy up in the Bronx, I called my cousin that lived up in the Bronx.

I called my friends that live somewhere near there or someone I knew there that was a good friend of mine, an ally. And I said, hey, straighten this guy out. What's it going to look like if China parks 500,000 troops on the North Korean Peninsula? What's that going to look like? Let China worry about it. They're thirsty for our money. They need our money.

They're trading with us. They're like Japan now. They're so dependent on American dollars. Let them worry about it and straighten this guy out. And I went, amen. Why would we send our boys over there, except for the industrial machine that is war right now, you know, what has been since the beginning of time. But still, why would we send our guys there? I love that mentality of it. And I thought, this guy's so far outside

the box. He's so far outside the box. He handles it like a business. He's not politically loyal to really anybody. And he was friends with everyone. You know what's so funny? They show those clips of the view of all those women who were loved him, and he was their friend, and he was the best guy in the whole world. And now they hate his guts. They hate his guts. Why? Because he's not part of the machine.

Let me ask you about the four of you, okay? Yeah. If you were to put the four of you, okay? Yeah. If you were to put the four of you there politically, would you put Billy far left, then Alec, then Stephen, then you? Is that kind of how you would put it? If it was to say like where everybody lies? Because Alec doesn't give me vibes of a far left guy. Well, you know, and then he goes to Turin at the Turin

Film Festival accepting a lifetime award a few days ago and says that the people on the right and the people of America are misinformed and they're not in the reality of... Why? Because we don't agree with you? I mean, I would never allow an election to affect whether I love my brother Alec and affect my relationship with him. Whereas he has absolutely allowed that to occur in the family with myself and other members. Billy and I were really close. And although we butt heads and he lost,

we didn't go so far that we weren't talking, but it was a real strain on our relationship. And then Steven, I think he straddles the line because there's a part of Steven that believes religiously in particular, what he believes as a born again Christian. And that what Trump has said. Now, again, I'm taking everything out of what the person personally is about.

You go all the way back to JFK and there's tunnels cut under the White House and Marilyn Monroe and who killed her. I mean, we can go on and on and on with all the conspiracies and things about infidelity and from every president pretty much besides Jimmy Carter, who's probably the greatest man to ever be president as a man and not as a president. So I, you know, I think Alec is and Billy are neck and neck. I think Alec has learned to keep his mouth shut a little bit more right now.

He's had a rough couple of years, you know, going on for him and, and, and, and unjustifiably so. I mean, he, he, for sure, you know, what, what happened with him was a travesty and really, really, really, really was sad for him because, you know, he's, he deep down as a human being and a good guy, he's a good guy. He's got a big mouth, you know? So he puts it out there just like I do, but we don't agree Billy and I We don't agree at all politically I mean Billy believes that the the the reasons why Billy that I heard Can't stand Trump have to a lot to do with personal things that he has

Towards Trump are any of them the guys that we want to be our Boy Scout leaders and raising our children? Probably not. Probably not because it's a terrible job to have and I think what's required to be president, you have to almost be, you have to be George Bush senior, you have to be the former head of the CIA, that you have that kind of cold blood running through your veins, that you're willing to do the things that you have to do to run a conglomerate the size of this internationally the way we do with war and life and death decisions and so on and so forth. I mean, I don't envy anybody that has that job.

But Stevie Stevie is my biggest puzzle this year. Because as much as I thought he was an ally, and he was all behind Trump, to the expense of his relationship with a couple of his brothers, now he's kind of, you know, he's back in the game in Hollywood. He's, he doesn't really want to say too much bad about it because believe me, I'm not going to get hired for a TV series that shoots in Hollywood and network television show. It would be, I would have to be a producer that I was really good friends with because of my stance about the president, because I've gone against a lot of these people.

And I have a few theories about why they're so adamant and, and, and, and why that would exist, but we can go into that if you want to. Yeah, I mean, you know, apart with, you've been in the world for a while, the whole family's been in the world for a while with Hollywood. The dark side of it that we keep hearing about, Stephen gave his perspective of it, what he's seen, what he hears, what he's witnessed. And you know, when you have a family name like this that people follow, what have you seen happen with Hollywood over the years or has it always been evil like Steven said it? This episode is brought to you by Dyson On Track. Dyson On Track headphones offer best-in-class noise cancellation and an enhanced sound

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If you go and watch a TV commercial in England You can see full frontal breast of a woman and as long as it's done for a reason If you were talking about making sure you get a mammogram, they'll show the woman's nipple the whole bit. Here, oh my god, you could never show that on TV. But you can lop someone's head off with a sword with blood shooting at Avedon Dexter and stab a woman.

You can take Grand Theft Auto and rape someone in a game that your kids are playing online. Do you know the one most common thing that the school shooting kids have in common? They all play one of three games. Every single one of them played grand theft auto call the duty or Fortnite. Those three, every single shooter. Are you pot go through it, go through it, take a look, look at how he's looking up right now. He's fat checking me. Come on baby. Why? So, so take a look at it. You're walking. Take a look. Look at it. He's looking it up right now.

He's fat checking me. Come on, baby. Why? So take a look at it. You're walking into a building and you're going, and you're shooting everything that moves. And after you do it 100, 200, 5,000, 20,000, you become so numb to the idea that you just shoot what you see in that room.

And so those games are awful, awful for your kids to be involved in. They condone murder, they condone, I mean, they're bad games, man, I'm telling you. But the question about Hollywood, what's happened is we've become desensitized about what we're willing to accept. That's what I think has happened.

We've become desensitized about... Look at Diddy, for instance. Let's take a look at him. Let's take a look at... He has videos. He has videos of the parties. Now, what I've heard, which I don't know how much of it is in mainstream media, I don't really follow the story that much, but what I've heard from friends that are attorneys, friends of mine that have represented me before, agents and so on, is there's a bidding war going on right now. They're driving that price up because if you want your

client and your famous actor to not be involved, a famous singer to not come out, here's the price. And that they're just selling to the individuals that are in those, this is what I heard, they're selling those videos. So if you're Tommy X, and Tommy X is a big, big movie star, and he was at some of the ditty parties, he was in one of those bedrooms with three other men,

and he's happily married to a woman, and Tommy doesn't want that video to come out. He does not want it to come out. Same thing for Jeffrey Epstein. Now the interesting thing about the Epstein and the theory about Epstein is, we know he filmed people for sure on that island He has a lot of movies a lot of films with people that are very very powerful political figures

and and and entertainers business people so Do you really believe that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself and of course not Okay, so there's other theories that he's in Lebanon He never died at all that having the weight of owning those films right now over people So will donald trump release those films? I believe donald trump trump probably has a lot of friends that are in those videos, too I don't know if he behooves him to release them either but what happens if Iconic african-amer Americans or iconic Japanese Americans or

iconic Anglo Americans, I mean former presidents, you know, and so what happens if they're in those videos? What does that do to the herding of the sheep? I mean, because I believe that that's exactly what we're experiencing. We're all being pushed in a certain direction because when I sat with my brother Alec and my father and I watched Cronkite, and we sat and watched those news programs,

and Cronkite reported the news, I believe that Cronkite was wholeheartedly reporting what he believed were true facts to the audience. I do not believe that anymore at all. I do not believe, I believe it's very agenda driven. I believe that they report, they actually edit footage. They do things to whatever it is who they're working for and driving them that way.

This happened in this election. Never, ever has it happened more than happened in this last election. I mean, 60 minutes, the edits they did. Oh my God, they took, you legally can't even do that I mean, no one's gonna say anything about it. No one's gonna say anything about it Do you think there's a part of it where it's the reason why they're losing credibility the way they have where You know the way they lost was incredibly embarrassing to lose all seven states and you had a billion

Plus dollars that you spent paying celebrities to endorse you and they're like, you know what, we're done. We don't want to buy this stuff anymore. You're just fake and they're losing their credibility because it just seems like, I mean, look at this election where, you know, Trump and all these podcasts and podcasts have more credibility than mainstream media. One went on all the mainstream places, the other one on podcasts, and he ended up winning by a landslide. When I come on and I watch your show, when I watch the few podcasts that I watch,

I watch them and I know this. Whether or not you have an opinion that slanted towards one side or whatever, I'm listening to what's being said, and then I'm looking up to see, wow, really, that's true, you know, just like we just did with something I said really that happened. Yeah, I didn't know that you know, so it's it's You're not telling the audience This is what's fact you're talking about something that's out there that I'm left to decide or

Research it and look up what I want. So you're you're planting seeds more on podcasts I think so when I see a Rogan or I see you bring up even a product and you say and blah blah and I go, is that true man? That thing really does that? And there's stuff out there that is so amazing. What Robert Kennedy is supposedly tasked to do now will change and disrupt the entire business world and politics forever if he's allowed to really do it. And that is you go to Canada and you feed your kid Froot Loops. When you feed your kid Froot Loops, this is the only country that has a different recipe for Froot Loops than everywhere else in the world because the colors, the dyes are banned

in Canada, Europe, and all the other places only in America. Why? Because the same companies that own carcinogenic chemicals that are in all our packaged foods are the same ones that own the pharmaceutical companies. They're going to treat you when they give you cancer after 40 years of eating it. And then they're going to take you coming and going, and then you're dead. And this is what fuels the entire thing. So how is it that in this incredibly powerful, smart country that we would ever allow that,

if we know that to be fact now, why would there not be a presidential act that the president just goes, yeah, no, you can't do that anymore, you're banned from, well, they did do that in England. They did do it in France and Spain and Germany. They just haven't done it here because those same companies that are the ones that are shelling over the hundred mil donations and all the

money for these politicians to run. Go back to Diddy. Let's go back to Diddy and some of these stories that we talked about. So Diddy, did you ever spend time with the guy? Did you ever meet Diddy? I've met him before, yeah. How was he? Very nice guy, very smart, super business. I mean, he's very successful. And I think that there's a duality in it. There was the faces that showed up at the parties or the event that went to the big

party. And then there was the late night crowd when everyone started going and then the doors got locked up, everyone got and the last 40, 30 people there and then it was it was and I was never at any of those was was that a known thing like you know how Lebron says there's no party like a dirty party or you know in a dirty party don't stop or you know you hear these lines did did people know or said dude I was at the party we're there to six o'clock in the morning let me tell you what happened after two here's what happened here here's what, is

that known? Right. So, I'll tell you, I don't know how much, I don't like to say things that I know unless I see it. There's a little difference, you know. But was it discussed? Was there descriptions from people I know that were at those? Yes, but here's another thing.

So how many of these big entertainment parties over the years and everything with as successful as you are, have you been around? Does anyone ever come up to you at a certain hour and say, okay, it's time to go? At those parties, they did. At a certain time, he shut it down, but not everybody left. So he would, anyone that wasn't super famous or, or I'm with him or whatever, were exited from the house. You were gone. And then, you know, you were with your, but what people I don't think realized was, he had cameras all over the place, unbeknownst to them. And now he has all that footage, supposedly, this is what I'm told.

So it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens if, you know, you're a huge iconic TV star or movie star, and you're in some very, very... Who's getting the money though? The blackmail, the money's going to who? So let's just say I represent, I don't know, I represent JLo, I represent LeBron, I represent whoever it is. All right, so what are you going to do?

Well, here's what we're going to do. Here's what the pay is, 30 million bucks, 20 million bucks. Who's the money going to? So I'm not sure. I don't buy for a minute that he's going to prison without getting out of here somewhere and stashing two billion dollars or whatever. I think he has that kind of power, meaning Sean himself. But remember, it goes a lot deeper than that. So play the game with me for a second.

Let's say it's LeBron, which I'm not implying in any way that I believe LeBron James is involved in this, but he does have the famous quote, no party like a Diddy party. So do you think LeBron James is the only one that has an interest in whether his, his career is destroyed? No, Nike has an interest. No certain apparel companies have interests. No many other people that are involved in huge businesses that are part owners of of giant conglomerate companies have an interest in that. So Shaquille O'Neal owns most of JCPenney's,

but you're talking about companies that if it comes out, so they might be the one that says they'd pay 25 million for that. You're talking about ruining the sale of an entire line of clothing. And again, I'm not saying I know this is going on. But who are they paying? If let's just say, because accounting wise,

if you're a publicly traded company, I can try if somebody does a quality of earnings, if you're a publicly traded company, I can try, if somebody does a quality of earnings or if somebody does an audit on you, which when you're public, you're doing it all the time. What's this $30 million? Oh, it's marketing dollars. To who? Show me who went to, who is this account? What is this company? So what happens if I make a, what happens if I have a tape of, you know, some guy in another show here at Valuetainment and I turn around and I come to the head guys here and I say, there's this very terrible tape of this guy and Valuetainment decides to make a donation

to or a marketing deal with me. You're right. It's going to be something like that. They're not going to say this is for the video, but you can... Who is the they? Who is the... I believe his representatives represent him, no? That would be his playing. Yeah. Well, that's the part where I'm wondering what, so one, more people are getting bolder to put the stuff out about him. What does that mean? More people are getting bolder to say, here's a video of him and his girlfriend. How come we didn't see it before? It's been around for a while.

Now you're showing it to us. Here's who this person came out. $30 million here. This person over here. that person over here. Jamie Foxx, I don't know if you saw the one with Jamie Foxx saying the fact that when the special comes out, he's actually going to talk about the fact that Diddy's the one that poisoned him. Again, this is a story.

I heard that story too. Yeah, how a story about Sean Diddy Combs and Jamie Foxx's mystery illness went viral, is this the one, December 2nd, go a little lower? Upcoming Netflix comedy, Jamie Foxx expected to include the actor addressing a mysterious 2023 health crisis that left him hospital, this is from today, for more than 20 days and recovering for months more, but has also sparked rumors it was Diddy, may have some of your response for it, which Combs Camp has denied, but Foxx has. I mean, of course, combs camp is going to deny, but it's what Fox is going to say.

Cause everyone's interested in what Fox's story is. But now if you go, if you go and you look further about, um, the number of people that have had this sudden death thing happen to them that are related to, to Diddy. Some, it's like some viral lung or something like some weird, but like five people that had information on him that we're going to testify against him that look it up. So if you look up, you know, death trail of Diddy affiliates due to mysterious disease or whatever you want,

and it's going to come up and you're going to go, wow. So, and a lot of The same symptoms as fox and there was I mean there's a number of them that one couple It was a couple that both died one died the husband I think and then the girlfriend died like a month later of the same Thing and they believe that it has something to do with him again. I don't know this I But it just seems very suspicious when you go through and you look at in the history of different people that can make you go away. Listen, I've worried about some of the things that I talk about on my show. Is someone going to knock on my door one day? Is my car going to blow

up? Because I'm willing to talk about things. 13 deaths around Diddy, nine victims of City College Incident, Tupac and Biggie, Kim, you know, it goes on and on. You know, I think the funny thing is we're fed what they want us to believe. So how much of it is you're looking over here while they're doing whatever they're doing over here. And I think a lot of misdirection happens in the press. Go with Epstein. Epstein is a different story. Did you ever have a chance to meet Epstein? No, I did not know him. Okay. And with Epstein, you hear stories with him, with the people that went to the, what do

you call this, the Epstein Island, right? What do you think happened there? And what do you think is going on right now? You're saying that one of the reasons why you don't believe Epstein's list is going to come out, because some of them may have been Trump's friends. Not just Trump or the Clintons or anyone that's in office. But I will say the difference between the two entities, Diddy and Epstein, are you're talking about super, super powerful political figures internationally from, you know, there's rumors of Trudeau, there's

rumors of, you know, I mean, these are presidents, premiers, prime ministers, these are very, very ex presidents. So, and we're also, there's something to be said. So if I show you, let's say me, okay, and I'm Tom Cruise size, I'm a huge A-list actor, and you show me having a gay relationship that's on film, me having sex with some other man. Now, again, as a leading man,

is that gonna be damaging the box office? Is that going to hurt my credentials? Is that going to say anything about the children that I had and what's that going to do to me? But again, if you denied it and said that it didn't happen, then it comes out in the show, videotape of it. I guarantee that thing sells off the chain. People want to see that. But that's way different than saying that you had sex with an underage boy or girl. That's illegal. Okay. So what happened on Epstein's Island are things that are rumored to have there are underage girls, really young too, like 12, you know,

like young girls that are testifying. Now I was there, I had sex with this, this, this. Those are illegal activities. And, and, and, and also America, even as wild as we can be here and let's go to Vegas, you know, with, with, you know know, the the wildest of the wild They don't accept that behavior. That's gonna be one that's gonna be a tough one to outrun that bullet So the Epstein stuff I think is far more serious than getting your freak on and with Diddy and doing the things that they did Over there unless there's underage people involved in that. I think that's a different category Do do you know without naming names? Do you know specifically people that were on that island?

Who are you know who you spent time with or you knew in Hollywood for sure for sure for sure and you have Have you heard vivid stories of what took place on that island? I have been with people that I have told me again. I again Like like Hollywood isn't a place that people shoot their mouths off and tell things that aren't true. But I have people, I know people that have told me either secondhand or that they themselves had been there.

And remember too, I don't think that everyone went there knowing what was gonna happen. I think people went there going, oh, we're going to this great island, this guy Epstein's doing a movie or whatever. They get there and they go, oh, she's beautiful, yeah, she's kind of interested in you. And again, she's beautiful. Yeah, she's kind of interested in you, you know, and I get I'm paraphrasing. She's kind of interested in you. If you want to go get a massage, well, she looks very

young, you know, and so if you had any conscience, you would say, yeah, no, I'm not doing that or no, I'm married or no, I'm, you know, or whatever the reason was. Then when the girl gets in there, let's say you're even stupid enough to go in the room and the girl goes, I'm 14, you should get up and walk out of the room. She might have been all dressed up and you thought she was 20 and you thought you were going to have a fling. Once you found that out, because that's part of the allure of it that you want to be with an underage girl or underage boy.

Once you found that out, now if you stay in the room, you've asked for trouble and you're about to get trouble because he had a camera hidden in the room and he has all kinds of videos supposedly of those events. Now, what does that look like if that came out eight years ago and Hillary Clinton's husband was involved? What does that look like if Donald Trump was involved? What does that look like if Tim Walz was? Again, you could shape the direction of a country based on having won the wrong person in one of those videos. And I believe those types of influential people are involved in those, which is why you probably will never see them

because they will do everything. Look at when they raided Diddy's house. Do you ever see the footage of them walking out with a raid? They got like two boxes about this big. That was it. That was the whole raid was to take those two boxes? Or was that whole raid to keep Sean Combs in the news because a lot of other stuff was going on at that time.

Yeah, look, that was it. That was where you came with, you know, national guardsmen and SWAT guys with the two sons walking out with their hands up and for that whole giant estate, which is like four homes and I don't know, something doesn't match up about it. Something just doesn't match up about it. Hey, I got a question for you. And I'll come back to whatever you want. Something doesn't match up about it. Something just doesn't match up about it. Hey, I got a question for you. And I'll come back to whatever you want. What do you think of the pardon?

I was gonna ask you about it, but for me, I think the pardon is, here's my sequencing of what I think happened. Okay, yeah, I really wanted to hear about it. Yeah, I think one, I think Biden wasn't planning on pardoning Hunter because he did not think Trump was gonna win because Biden thought Kamala would win

with all the money behind her and the favor that Kamala had in return is to pardon Hunter to prevent anything from happening with Joe and that's why Kareem Jean-Pierre and everybody kept saying no no no one's above the law no no because the plan was Kamala's gonna win Trump doesn't stand a chance the DOJ all the lawsuits you know E. Jean Carroll all this stuff that's good it's just not gonna happen this guy's toast a year ago a lot of people thought Trump was toast. Then all of a sudden he wins. So then Trump is in a perfect place. Why? Because one of two things are gonna happen. Either Biden is not gonna pardon his son or

Biden is. Let's play both of them out. If Biden does pardon his son, it allows Trump to do anything and everything with J6, anything and everything. Anybody Trump pardons, guess what? Can't say nothing about it. Nothing. You pardon your own son. So don't tell me you don't nepotism type of stuff. Now say Biden doesn't pardon his son, okay? Trump has that carrot right there to use for four years

and I believe on day one, my opinion, I believe on day one, Trump would have pardoned Hunter and all the J6 people on day one to confuse the shit out of the media. The media would have been like, wait a minute, who did he just, did he really just pardon Biden's son Hunter and J6? So on one end you're pissed, because it's all the J6 people.

On the other end you're like, wait a minute, his own father didn't pardon him, but Trump, this is confusing what's going on. To me it was a sequencing play and Trump was in a power play and if, you know, if, if, what's his name, if he was going to do it the right way, I think I like what Joe Manchin said. Joe Manchin said he should have pardoned him and Trump at the same time instead of doing just Hunter. If Joe would have pardoned Hunter and Trump on the same day, the market would have said,

all right, it's kind of like a wash. We get totally what you're doing. That's what I think. I don't think Biden had any plans of pardoning him because he did not think Trump was going to win. The faster money and data move, the further your business can go to a seamless digital future for Canadians.

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to learn more about federal and provincial purchase incentives on eligible models or go to HyundaiEVLeader.ca to learn how WAA keeps you going. Okay, so I buy, I like the theory, both theories. I will say this, it's like the old adage, what questions does a lawyer never ask? A question he doesn't know the answer to. Never ask that question. The same here. Don't ever say something as Biden that you don't 100% know. So what got him was the fact that he kept saying he would never pardon him. Now, I will never, I would never use my power that way because guess what? Hey, everybody, if my son has charges against him and I'm president, and as a parting gift,

I get to pardon my son, I'm pardoning my son for sure. It wasn't like he was, you know, some gratuitous, terrible murderous crime or something, He, you know, Manson or something. Again, see, he had a drug problem. He sought some help. He made some mistakes. And as, as president, I would pardon my son. His mistake was, I think that he said he wouldn't do it. And so, so egregiously told everyone he was never going to do that.

Now, on the other side, you bring up something very interesting to me, and that is what would it have looked like if Biden had pardoned Trump? He just told everyone he was never going to do that. Now on the other side, you bring up something very interesting to me, and that is, what would it have looked like if Biden had pardoned Trump? What would it look like if as a parting gift, he said, you know what, let's start fresh. You're president. I'm pardoning my son, and I pardon you of any of the... That would have been something for Joe Biden to have done. I think also the American people wouldn't have been so quick to jump on him for

changing what he said he was going to do. And they would have seen that as a very confusing thing that he did the same as you were saying, if it had been Trump. That'd be very interesting if he had done that. I have said a number of times and I'm still hanging on to this. I it's not as obvious to me anymore. And I don't think it's as credible, but it's still a possibility that she becomes number 47. That she actually comes in. Remember, if you get to see the he's got some heart palpitation or he's you know he blew a gasket and we're not sure what it is for precautionary reasons, we're going to make Kamala president for 35 days you know whatever.

I still think that's in play. I really do Oh, I don't I don't disagree. I think that's very likely Of happening, you know if they wanted to kind of really piss people off That would be one, you know who'd be the most pissed if that would have happened One person would be more pissed than anybody else. Tell me Hillary Clinton. Oh my god Can you imagine nobody would be more pissed than her because she would she would be Oh my god, can you imagine? Yeah. Nobody would be more pissed than her because she would steal and by the way, there's no

way Kamala is at Hillary's level of anything. I don't think she's at, you know, you don't have to like Hillary, but if I have to choose between the two strategy-wise, Kamala is not even close to the level of Hillary has. Good bad, ugly, doesn't matter. Deceptive, nasty, whatever you want to call it. Hillary would lose her shit if that were to take place. Let me go back to some of the questions we were talking about with your brother William.

William did sliver, did any of it? He did sliver. And Sharon Stone, Sharon Stone and I, one time Sharon Stone messaged me, she started following me on Instagram, and she started watching some of the videos. And at one time I'm like, so how often you come to Florida,

would love to do a podcast with you. I would never go to the state of Florida. Why wouldn't you go to Florida? Are you kidding me? Look what your governor has done. He's destroyed the entire great state. I used to love Florida. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

This just went on a complete, I'm just asking you. And she could not believe that I was optimistic about Florida, that I lived in LA 26 years and I moved to Texas And then from California to Texas to Florida. We're in Texas Plano Plano Texas you have an office in Addison till today. Yeah your brother what when he played sliver I'll never forget this the soundtrack, right? Who the I can sing the song but I remember the the sound. It was actually a very good movie. Sing it baby, come on.

Yeah, it's Wise Men. Which one is it? UB40? I think it is UB40, right? Wise Men. Right. Is that the one? I think it is UB40 on the soundtrack.

Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, Fallin' In Love With You. The elevator scene. What was maybe his, maybe yours, what can you say about Sharon Stone? Because she said a couple things just this last week about politics. You know, I'll tell you my Sharon Stone story. So they're on set. They don't get along very well. They didn't hit it off at all. And they had some real

steamy love scenes. It was well documented. So I believe she said, her quote was, and I'm paraphrasing, if Billy Baldwin thinks he can carry a movie without me, he's out of his mind. And Billy came back and said something to the effect of, all I know is she was an average kisser and something, something else, like some other dig on her. So they come to me and they said to me, hey, your brother's feuding with Sharon Stone.

At the time, she's huge. She's like the biggest female star, her, Julia, and maybe a handful of others. And so I said, yeah, you know, I don't really have anything to say now. I think Billy was, you know, probably 35 and she was 36 or somewhere around there. So now I'm doing the Tonight Show. I go there and they asked me, do you want to be our first guest? You've done the show before. Would you like to be the first guest on Wednesday,

which is not a very well watched day? And listen, my ego's out of it. I want the most people possible to see the Tonight Show. Or you can go on Friday in second position behind Sharon Stone, who's huge, way bigger than me. And I went, I'll go on Friday. Let Sharon get the audience to watch it. And I can say, go watch my movie.

So I'm in the green room. And I just told, it's so funny, because I just told this story to your guys. And I walk in the green room and I just told it's so funny because I just told this story to your guys. And I'm in I walk in the green room, I sit down, I'm getting ready. Sharon's got to go on first, you get to watch them on the show. And there's a door just opens, no knock and it's Sharon Stone. And she looks at me and she goes, you do know I'm going on first. And I looked at her and I went, well, yeah, you're Sharon Stone.

That's the reason why I did it on a Friday, because you're gonna draw more people than I will. She goes, okay. She goes, and you know I'm not waiting for you. I said, I'm sorry? So you know, when you do the Tonight Show, you move one seat down and the next guest comes in and you stay out there to watch the person, you know, and be there and you assemble all-

It was important to her to say that I'm not waiting for you. You know I'm not waiting for you. And I said, again, you're Sharon Stone. If you decide you don't want to wait, I guess I'll just go out there alone, me and Jay. Is she hardcore cold? Oh, she's saying, Jessica. And you realize I'm not waiting for you.

And I went, yeah, you're Sharon Stone. You don't have to wait if you don't want to. She walks out and she goes, fine, and shuts the door really hard and walks out. Now this is all, I've never met the woman. So this has to do with Billy and how much she hates Billy, right? So I go do the woman. So this has to do with Billy and how much she hates Billy, right? So I go do the show.

She didn't wait. I kept a good show with Jay and I know Jay a little bit. So we're talking about cars and having fun and I get done. And I call the report of Millie Times back the next day. And I said, you know, I do have a comment. I just don't understand how a 35 year old man and a 49 year old woman can't get along. And they printed it.

They printed it. And I ended like 14 years under her age. I got a call from my publicist going, Sharon Stone's publicist just called and you said she's 49 years old. I went, she looks 49. I mean, I don't know how old she is, but I thought it was a funny comment. Wow, did you ever run into her again?

Yeah, you know, she burned a lot of bridges because she was, you know, tough to get along with. And she was pretty legendary with some of the things that, um, you know, she, she was very demanding and you gotta remember when that escalator is going up, it's coming down later. And so you're going to cross those same people again. So it doesn't cost any extra to be nice. I remember I was at my father, the 10 year anniversary of the death of my father, and my mother was not taking it well. She handled his death better than she

did the 10-year anniversary. And I called her up. She was in Syracuse, New York. And I said, Mom, I'm going to come into town this weekend. Let's go out to dinner, and we'll go do it. And she said, OK, honey, come on in. And so I fly into Syracuse. And now it's the night.

It's Saturday night. It's the 10-year anniversary, I believe, of my father's death, or within a couple of days. And a woman came up to me and she said, excuse me Mr. Ballin but I watch your show, you know, I think it's, and I said, ma'am, are you eating in the restaurant? And she said, yes I am. Would you mind if I found it? And my mother's tears are coming down her eyes, we're talking about how much she loved

my father and she misses him. And the woman turned around and I said, I'll find you in five, 10 minutes. She said, oh, I'm so sorry, yes. I turned around and I looked, my mother wasn she misses him. And the woman turned around and I said, I'll find you in five, ten minutes. She said, oh, I'm so sorry. Yes. I turned around. Look, my mother wasn't crying anymore. And she said, you get up from that chair right now. You go find that woman. You sign the autograph and take the picture right now. And I went, mom, she went now, Daniel. And I got up and I found the woman. I took a picture with everybody at the table and I signed her nap, her menu. And I sat back down with my mother and she said, just remember something hot shot,

it doesn't cost any extra to be nice. And I've never turned down a picture, I have never turned down an autograph ever since that, because you know what, Patrick, it doesn't cost any extra to be nice. And there may be someone from Iowa that that picture is on the mantle next to the urn of their grandfather. You know, so I mean, it could be a really big deal to them.

And so I have never done that again, but that was a lesson for me. And so I think Sharon probably forgot a lot of that stuff, you know, as she was coming up. But then I heard she, she actually got to be a little, a little nicer. Now your, your interaction that you're talking about is more recent, no? Yeah, it was, let me check. It was two years ago. I couldn't even tell you what the... let me get the exact timeline. She was very respectful at the beginning until I said Florida. And that's so crazy that a whole state, you know, or that a whole party, a whole Republican... February 13th, 23. Yeah. February 13th, 23.

She was not a fan of Florida at all. Like who would come to Florida now? Well, it's like the same thing, you know, the list of people that were, this election was the biggest ever, but we're gonna leave the country if Trump won. And I sit there and I look at, you know, new in the news is Ellen has moved to London,

Ellen and Portia. And I think to myself, no offense to Ellen, but who cares whether Ellen left and moved to, okay, bye. But the threat that I'm gonna leave, like you're the person that has the only water that we drink, are you like, what are you gonna leave? How many people said they're leaving, by the way?

There's quite a few people. By the way, going back to Sharon, I'm just pulling up the movie Sharon Stone did, Basic Instinct, legendary. By the way, I was on a flight two and a half, three years ago, I'm on a flight. I'm like, you know what? I haven't watched Basic Instinct in 20 years.

Let me watch it. How did it hold up? First of all, everybody's walking by my seat, first class, they're thinking I'm watching porn. I'm like, guys, I'm explaining myself. That's basic instinct. Why would you watch basic instinct? Sharon Stone.

Sharon Stone. Sharon Stone. I'm watching basic instinct, then I watch, obviously Casino, she crushed it. What else we got here? Sliver, okay, I like Sliver. She did some big, you know, she did some stuff there. At one point, you're right, she was a...

She was the cat's meow there for a while. She was, she was for a minute. And then boom, Hollywood like this. Yeah, but you know, there's legendary famous Hollywood stories about, I'm trying to remember what, whether it was her or Kim Basinger that had the hot tub scene that she insisted that it'd be Evian water. And she had them drain the hot tub.

And then they had to buy like a thousand. Tell me you're joking. No, no, I'm this, this, this is her base. It was one of the two, but I, I bet you if you Google it at something comes up, um, but that, yeah, she literally said, I will not get in the hot tub unless it's Evian. And they had to, the crew had to go out. Did you find it? Yeah. It says Kim Basin. It was Kim. It was Kim. So, yeah, but again, those are those stories. Oh, she was married to Alec. She was married to Alec. So, and those are those stories that, you know, when you're a guy that's on set, and I've never forgotten how grateful I am, I'll pick up, you know, camera equipment with my guys if they got

to rush it off. I don't care. I'm not, you know, I'm not, you, you, where's my coffee and I'm just not that guy. But then you hear the legendary stories about the guys that are, you know, that they drain the hot tub. She would not get in it. They had to drain it out. And then, and again, I don't know, I wasn't there, but that's a, that's one of those stories that How was Kim done? I mean, you, you've spent time with Kim. Was she easy going when you guys are just, you know, behind camera? I know it was, it was, um, there was Alec and Kim. I lived, I'll tell you this. I lived in Sherman Oaks and you lived in LA for a long time. I lived in Sherman Oaks. Where in Sherman?

I lived on right off of Woodland. Okay. Yeah. In the hill there. Um, so I had, Woodland Hills like close to Woodland Hills. No, no, no. Woodman. Woodman. So it was Gary Shanling, Brian Benben. And, uh, what's her name that he's married to Brian? Gosh, beautiful actress. I can't think of her name. Anyway, and me, we live in a triangle right near each other. We play basketball all the time and stuff. And he lived in Woodland Hills with Kim in the, I don't know how many years they were together, but you know, seven or eight,

I never was at their house once in my life. I lived 12 minutes from them. Not one time. No, no, no. Think about that. I want you to think about that. I lived the only two of us of six that lived in California. We live 12 minutes away from each other and I never saw his home once. Now we come by, we go play tennis, we played football in a league together. We talked. But not the house. He has a very, you know, it's, he keeps a very close his cards close to the back.

He could come over my house whenever he wanted to, but no, never got invited. Has he always been that private? He's pretty private. Um, um, you know, with his wife now and their kids, I think he likes to keep home very separate. I thought it was odd that I was his brother and I never once saw his home. Did you guys have family traditions

like annual Thanksgiving, Christmas, stuff like that, or now? We used to play the Turkey Bowl every Thanksgiving. He would quarterback one team, I would quarterback the other, and the rest of the neighborhood kids. And we played that for many years, even well into our 40s, we played the Turkey Bowl. We'd go back to New York, meet guys quarterback the other and the rest of the neighborhood kids. And we played that for many years, even well into our forties. You know, we played the turkey bowl.

We'd go back to New York, meet guys on the golf course and go play. You guys don't talk anymore now. No, we don't talk very often now. You know, it's interesting when my mom passed away. It I'm not sure what it did to him. So there was that. And then just recently, his situation in New Mexico where, um, his wife called along with my sister and said,

he could really use your support now. Now, keep in mind, I haven't talked directly to him for months and suddenly we're going to court. Steven's going to go. Billy was not feeling well. So of the boys to be there. And I said, of course I'll go. So my wife and I bought the tickets. We were leaving on Monday. He got acquitted on Friday. I never had to go. But I have not directly spoken to him.

He was here at a show in Atlanta doing some kind of autograph thing, one of those big Comic-Con kind of things. And I just showed up. And I walked over. I talked to him for three minutes. And he said, I got to go. And that was it. So I don't know how much it is my mom, how much it

is some unresolved stuff that we have, or he just, he made an announcement. I have decided to realign my relationships with different people in this family now that mom is gone. And so I'm probably gonna go a little dark about it. And I haven't heard from him. My mother died two years ago now. He made that public announcement.

Oh, he made that to me. He let me know that know that to you and Stephen and Billy or he just to you. He doesn't speak much to To multiple members of the family. I'll only keep it about me though Cuz I don't want to speak but for between he and I I've reached out to him I say things like dad's birthday and he writes Yes, I Called with my son and posted a video to him recently. Nothing. No response.

My little 18-month-old boy. You want to say hi to Uncle Xander? Nothing back. So I'm not sure where he's at. I don't know if we'll have that time where we sit and kind of try to figure that out. I'm very sad because, I mean, here's a guy guy that if I go back in my words with friends catalog, we played words with friends every day for four years, every single day we played.

If he was on set, I was on set. We played at least a couple of words and would comment, you know, you know, fuck you when I get a big word, you know, like, right? You know, I get out of it and he go, we'll see, you know, let, keep playing games, not over, you know, and we went, we would talk shit with each other, you know, and go back and forth. But, uh, no, out of it and he go, we'll see, you know, let, keep playing games on over, you know, and we went, we would talk shit with each other, you know, and go back and forth. But, uh, Nope, none of that anymore. Don't, uh, don't speak. That's tough to think about the look I'm online right now. Type in, uh,

I typed in young Baldwin brothers, right? I'll see a picture of a wedding. I don't know whose wedding this is, but this is someone's wedding. You guys are. Right? Of course we see the picture that we talked about on, uh what's his name, when Stephen was on. You know which picture, the one that we just showed right now? Yeah, the one when I'm holding my crotch. Yeah, the one that you're holding your crotch. All these pictures, right, that we're looking at. You bring up a really important and interesting thing that I want to go into if I can.

Please. Okay, so now take a look at that. How much of it has to do, so with Billy, Billy and I won't break up on my phone to read the text messages, but I'll tell you that he wrote me, Billy, a dissertation about all the things with this scumbag criminal about Trump and how dare could I elect someone who's a known rapist, who's known this and this and this,

and all these just scathing, terrible statistical things that he is, again, and I had brief conversations with him going, Billy, if they're evaluating a piece of land for me and they say, what's it worth, I'm never gonna say below the number. I'm probably not going to say the number. I'm going to say I want to borrow money or sell it for more money than it's worth to see what I get for selling it.

What you're quoting he is guilty of in his indictments in New York is trying to borrow more money than the property was worth, which they have a guy that comes from the bank that looks at and says, no, sir, it's only worth this. This is all we're willing to give you and then you accept the deal if you made that a crime There would be five hundred thousand people in jail over the last ten years that on real estate in New York So so that that's me again trying to explain those things and trying to get a word in edgewise when someone hates someone But here's the more compelling thing Patrick The more compelling thing is when I look and I I'm not saying this is exclusive to the Democrats, but when I look at the number of people in my own life that wrote, you effing loser, communist scumbag, you know, all the

stuff they wrote to me because I came out for Trump, the same happened with members of my family. When I had to read and I said, would you really allow an election to affect the relationship with one of your siblings? And my answer back, which stunned from Billy was pretty much yes. Pretty much yes. That nothing was more important than who was going to take this country. And I went, wow, I'm so sad you think that because I honor your right to vote and be whoever you want to be. And don't get me wrong. I love my brother, Billy. I mean, I'm a huge fan. I admire him. Um,

I'm closest to him of my brothers for sure. I named my son, William, bat Baldwin. He's William after my brother, Billy, the only, I think the only of our siblings that named one after another one of our siblings is me naming. Why are you and Billy so close? We, you know, there's a, I call it a wrestler's mentality. We both wrestled together in high school. We were, I was closest with Alec when I was really little because Billy was so little, but from, you know, the time I was in fourth or fifth grade and Billy was two grades behind me, we played sports together. We

did everything, you know, a lot together in our teenage years until I finally went off and left for school. But, um, uh, yeah, Billy and I were definitely the closest. And, and, and, and there were times too, when Steven was too young. Remember, I'm, I'm, I'm a sober drug addict. And so, um, Almost 18 years, right? Yeah. Long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and so, but Billy never gave up on me. Billy never get, you know, I will say that he, you know, Billy wasn't lending me his car for a certain amount of years, you know, cause I was pretty irresponsible. When I kept going through recovery, Billy was always the one that came. Billy would call, Billy would check on me.

Billy would travel sometimes with me when I was struggling, you know, and so he was always that brother to me and vice versa. Billy's had some, you know, some really hard things in his life. This is throwing that up. You ready? See that? That's the VB crew. That's Vance Baldwin, Billy's son, who years back turned around and when he was 17, he said, you know, dad, my, my one testicles really soar. It's kind of swollen. He finds out that his son 17 has full blown cancer and, and, and, and it was bad. It had spread into his stomach and up into his lungs and it was touch and go there for a little while. So I shaved my hair though. He's, he's, he's, he's a monster and a really good kid. But I remember, you know, watching Billy,

tracking Billy go through that and, and having him, you know, his son's basketball, cause his hair was falling out from the chemo. So if you look on the tattoo, it has these little nubs of hair on it and, and, and checking in on bands, all the time where that brother. So when this election took place, and I saw that in some way in any way that could crack or fracture or penetrate my relationship with any of my siblings, I was dumbfounded. Cause that could crack or fracture or penetrate my relationship with any of my siblings.

I was dumbfounded because that could never, I mean, I've watched Alec do stuff politically, watched him do Trump and on SNL and do the things that he does and the statements, the wild statements sometimes he makes about, you know, different political offerings and issues that he feels passionately about. I never call him up and tell him he's wrong. Listen, look out the window. What you see is what you see. What I see is what I see. and issues that he feels passionately about. I never call him up and tell him he's wrong. Listen, look out the window. What you see is what you see.

What I see is what I see. We're never wrong about an opinion. But to let that have an effect on how much you love or time you spend with one of your siblings, hey man, we don't have that much time on this planet. I can blink and remember when I was 25. And I'm 64 now. And you know what?

I've got a young son and a young wife and I, and you know what, I'm going to blink and I'm going to be gone. You know, it'll be over. So I don't want to be at arms with my brothers. I don't want to be at arms with anybody really, unless it's for a cause that benefits the greater good to do so. Nothing that my brothers believe in or nothing that my sisters or other people that I care about, would I allow that to get involved or get in between me and them? There are people that don't feel that way. And my point that I was trying to make was most of the stuff that I saw that was personal and mean came from the Democratic side.

I did not see people over the years when I was a Democrat say any of the Republican friends of mine say, you know, you, you know, you asshole, you're illusible, your movies suck, blah, blah, you know, or whatever, or personal attacks on me due to my history. The stuff that I had to endure from Democrats about my brother Alec and his situation, I've never, I mean, the scathing, awful things that people wrote to me about, you know, him being, you know, all these different terrible things that they described him as over this accident that happened. And guess what? When it happens to one, it's the Baldwin brothers were looped in and lumped into one category many

times. So I have to endure what all of them do, just like they had to do back in the day with me when I was being irresponsible. Now I'm not saying Alec was being irresponsible, but I've had to endure a lot publicly in the last couple of years over his problem that he had. A lot, a lot. But you guys back them up though. I mean, if you read stories about it,

everybody backed them up, right? Everybody had, you know, of what happened. People don't know the real story. People don't know the real story because they weren't there and they don't know, and they didn't get the full description of it. She's the director of photography. Here's the camera pointed at you. There's a monitor on the side of the camera that she's

looking at the monitor like this and the camera's pointing at you and you're Alec and she's directing him through the shot. She's saying, okay, Alec, take the gun out. And he drew the gun left, left, right there, take it out and do it there again do it there and she's watching not looking at him whatever you're pointing out right there is now tilt the gun a little and she's walking him through the motions that she wants him to do so the gun being pointed at her was under her direction she's telling him where to point the gun wow he pulls the hammer back and the hammer releases some now again let's not even get into the last person that you want to be involved with loading or unloading gun is the actor. So they've got a professional that's

licensed, it's called the armorer. That person somehow, somehow loads the weapon. The one that was really, really, I thought the biggest crime, the first assistant director is handed the gun from the armor. So now I'm not the director, I'm the first assistant assistant director is handed the gun from the armor. So now I'm not the director, I'm the first assistant director. I take the gun from the armor and I take the gun and I hold it up in front of the entire cast and crew. And I have, I have to say one of two things, hot gun on set, cold gun on set, cold gun, meaning it's empty. And to be able to declare the weapon cold, you have to have fired it. If it's a revolver, you have to fire it six times. So this first assistant director announced cold

gun on set, handing it to Alec, which again, if everyone's chain of command doing their job, there's been a mistake already with a live round put in. And then the first day they gave the first AD immunity initially to testify against Alec When the armorer would not probably have shot the gun would have loaded the gun But he could not announce cold weapon on set now. This is my understanding of the situation. So now the gun goes off Goes through her and into the chest of the other director. This is a man who's a father of and into the chest of the director. This is a man who's a father of many young children that will never for the rest of his life ever not visualize. He was there, he saw it happen.

And this is a mom of an eight-year-old boy at the time and has a husband and she's forever gone. Oh my God. I mean, like, how do you ever wipe that out of your mind? How do you ever not remember that occurrence? And guess what? None of it was his responsibility. None. So now through the suppression of evidence and whatever it is that the judge found, it's gone finally and he will not be, he's fully exonerated of any responsibility himself. But you're not gonna

ever be able to take away the memory of that for him. It's permanent. Yeah, no doubt. And let me ask you, so you think a part of it is the fact that he just doesn't want to be around people. I don't even know if he goes shopping to buy stuff. There was one clip Rob where he went to a coffee shop and somebody keeps harassing him. You know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, yeah. She's holding the phone at him telling him. This is you. Hey, what does she say? There's something about like, hey, she keeps saying something. She keeps saying something. She keeps saying something. And then he's just finally kind of like late.

This is the one, Rob? Go ahead and play. They say free Palestine one time. Yeah, Palestine. Why should you kill that lady? Why should you kill that lady? Right. You killed that lady and lady got no jail time

No jail time Alec No jail time Alec You're putting innocent people in jail Alec Baldwin Free Palestine out just one time and I'll leave you alone. I'll leave you alone. I swear just say free Palestine one time one time one time, one time, one time, one time. Alex, you know he's a criminal. You know he's a criminal. Okay, so so again, that's the that's the video you're

watching the little tiger going like this and bad. And does the big tiger ever go, you know, and tear it up and kill it? No. And we've learned over the years that you can provoke him. You can provoke him. Yeah, I've seen that many times with photographers, whatever, you know, and so and so in the famous case of when they were trying to get the picture of Ireland when she was born and he laid out the photographer who he claims the, the photographer hit him with the camera out in front of his house. But again, you can provoke him. So I've always been the

one that have said, go right back at him and say little things and whisper, let them hit you first. And then it's green light. If they put their hands on you, you can tear them to shreds. Yeah. But he's never been able to hold out that long. I wonder, like, for me, when he was famous and when he was popular, was he the most popular kid in high school? He was pretty popular. He was very handsome, smart guy, played football. So he's popular.

Yeah, he's popular. He's been the most popular kids in school. Very popular, yes. And how did he handle it? Was he an asshole? Was he a jerk? Was he, was he chill? Was he, what was his personality like when I think you would get the attention? I think you're always struggling to be cool. That was what was, how cool were you? Not how popular for me, the, um, the light was cause of sports. You know, for sure.

I was one of the best athletes I played three sports. I lettered every year, you know, for him, I think he was, uh, um, one of the cool kids, you know, he hung around with the cool crowd and, you know, um, um, he, the girls really liked him. He was very, very handsome. So, uh, yeah, was he naturally cooler than Billy? Yeah, he was different cool than Billy. Billy was an athlete too, so Billy hung around with all the, me and Billy hung around with the jockey guys, you know.

Alec hung around with some of those guys, but he also had, you know, like I said, the cool guys. He was cool. When I walked around school, I was Alec's brother, Alec Baldwin, you know, that guy who was cool. And would shit would hit the fan? Was he a fight, flight or freeze guy?

He would he would scrap. I would take Billy in a scrap with me before I would take Alec because Billy was such a good wrestler. Billy can handle himself. Yeah, don't kid yourself. He was he was he was a strong kid really gifted wrestler Very dedicated and pretty tough. So I guess what I'm saying with Alec it was Alec the one that said hey shit I'm done. I'm done. You know, I'm just out of here. I'm done. I'm gonna go on there. Don't call me

Don't talk to was he that guy was like what'd you say? Oh, is it? Which would he might be a little bit a little bit what you say? He probably or flight Yeah, he'd say what you say. He probably, or flight. Yeah. He'd say what you say. He wouldn't run. He wouldn't run for sure, but I don't know that he was the guy that would, you know, there's different, my father would say once he touches you, do what you got to do. Once you touch you. And I was the one that went, there's three of them. I'm not going to the biggest one out now. I'm not waiting for anybody to touch. Like I didn't care. So I don't think he was,

it was a combination of maybe a little bit of me and a little bit of more reserved. Got it, no, the only reason I ask that question is because for the last five years, I've been tough with that guy. It's not been an easy five years for him. No, no, it's been rough. And Trump wins, are you kidding me?

And Trump wins, but I saw him, didn't he do an impersonation of Bobby? He did an impersonation of R.F. Kennedy Jr. didn't he? SNL yeah I thought he did something with if he did but Rob I don't know if we can show it can we show it or no yeah commentary okay if you want to show this which one is in here but if Trump wins he gets four more years on SNL that's a bad that's that's a good thing for right but where is he is he coming up he comes in. Okay, let's see it. I'm from Congress because the confirmation process

comes at the busiest time of year for me. The holidays? Girls volleyball season. Who is that supposed to be? Mac Cakes. Anyway, I'll leave you be. You've got another jacked king here to see you, RFK Junior. Bobby! Hey, I don't mean to interrupt you.

I just wanted to tell you again, I'm so honored to be the head of the health and human services. Department of Americans need someone to teach them how to be healthy. Someone like me, a 70-year-old man with movie star looks and a worm in his brain. Bobby, I love you. I can't wait to see what you do with this country in terms of health and with regard to measles outbreak. I care deeply about a woman's right to choose to choose to give her child polio. I just wish people would take my appointment more seriously. Alright, I gotta go. I got a dead dolphin in my car. I think I might saw it in half and dump it in Central Park.

I'll let you know. How's it, Rob? How's the reaction? Watching it, how are you processing it? I watched him in his one Academy Award nomination. When I watch these things, it takes me back to when I was a little kid. So he gets nominated for the cooler. I don't know if you ever saw that movie. He's wonderful in it.

And it's a cool movie, Billy Maysee. And so it's a one time Alec gets nominated best supporting actor. And so I didn't see the movie. It was an indie. It's rare that a film like that gets these kinds of nominations. So of course, now my brother's nominated for an Oscar, I got to go see the movie. And I watch it and I called him and I said, that's what you got nominated for? I'm going to get nominated for making fun of the fathers of every Italian kid in

our neighborhood. You know, I mean, we've been doing that voice and doing that character for 50 years. And now he gets nominated for an Oscar for that. I got a great story to tell you to, to, to what are the odds of this happening? So, did you see the movie eight men out? Say that again. Eight men out. Hang on one second. Very famous baseball story. I have not. But the Chicago black. Charlie's scene and yeah, I've not seen it. So during the research, John sales, the director is researching mate one,

the mining story. And he sees all this press going back in the clip. He's anything about the Chicago white Sox fix the world series. So the character is Chick Gandel, who's the first baseman on the, on the White Sox. And he knows from one of the other players that they're going to fix the game. So they're in a bar and he walks up in the bar and he wants to tell some kind of story to let these guys know he'd be in on it without saying so and so told me you're fixing it. So he goes in and he says, Hey, bye bye. And he

tells him this boxing story. And he said, you know, my, my, my, my nose is broke. My eyes shut and there's some stepping on something underneath my feet. It's, it's the other guy's teeth and I'm thinking to myself, but we messed up. What I should have done, and I stand up from the table, which is not in the direction, and I say, I hit him a few times, pow pow, and I say pow pow, and I throw two lefts. He hits me a few times, pow pow. And later on we meet, and we split the money 50-50 and nobody gets hurt. Now I'm in the waiting room and you know, Barbara Klayman, one of these or whoever

was legendary casting directors says, I don't know. He's doing some movie, Beetlejuice or some other movie he's doing right now. He's not available, but his brother's out there looks just like him and he played baseball in high school. Chick Kandel is described as the strongest hands in baseball. He's a tough guy. So I'm going, wow, they wanted Alec for this. This is beautiful. Alec can't do it. in high school. Chick Kandel is described as the strongest hands in baseball. He's a tough guy. So I'm going, wow, they wanted Alec for this. This is beautiful. Alec can't do it. I play baseball. World Series. Let's go. So I go in and I do the audition. She tapes me. They call me back.

John Sales would like to meet you. I said, great. I go in and I'm going to get this. I'm going to get this. A big movie. Early in my career, I go in and Sales goes, so obviously you rehearsed this with your brother Alec. And actually, we were interested in Alec Ford. So I'm going to get this a big movie early in my career. I go in and sales goes, so obviously you rehearsed this with your brother Alec. And actually, we were interested in Alec Ford. So I'm very interested. And I went, I did not rehearse this with my brother Alec. He went, it's OK that you rehearsed it with him. It's obvious that you're.

Barbara, could you get Alec Baldwin's tape and bring it in here, please? And they put it in. He stands up and says pow pow and throws two lefts. Get out lefts. He takes two rights and goes, and later on we meet and we split the money 50 50 and nobody gets hurt and does the exact same three pantomimes that I did that were not in the script. How do you get this guy to believe I did not rehearse that with him? But you know what? That's how similar

sometimes it was in that house that I watched myself do that thing. And I thought he stole my shit. Now I'm not going to get the movie and I didn't get it. I didn't get it. He didn't get it either. I mean he was doing something else. He wasn't available. So I thought I was in.

So the only person that knows the validity of the story is Alec. 100%. It's just you and him. If he remembers auditioning for that movie. Yeah. Yeah. There's been a few of those though. There's been a few of those where I watched him do something and I go I did that and blah blah blah

you know like or or he did it and then I stole it I thought it was cool was he the better actor was he the best actor in the family in your opinion no I don't I don't know how do you say that someone's a better actor there's certainly things that he does very very very well. He certainly was the more successful theater actor. I mean, he's been on Broadway. He's been, but no, I don't, I don't believe him that much in the action films and stuff. I think I beat him in that, in that category. Is there, is there really, I don't know how you can say better, you know, I'm not sure you can say that.

I remember reading for really nervous. I was reading for Steven Spielberg for Jurassic park and in the waiting room are you know, some big, big actors, you know, and I'm like, why am I reading for Steven Spielberg? I mean, come on, you know, I mean, this is for the lead to play the paleontologist that Sam eventually got. So I go in a big Amblin, you know, huge table. They walk me in and I get to the end, he goes, did you get a chance to read the book? And I've never met Spielberg and he's already a huge legend, right? And I said, yes, sir, I did. I read the book. He said, and I said, I read it twice. And I said,

he goes, okay, great. Well, listen, I'm, you know, I'm very interested. I've never been thrown in an audition before in my life. Okay. Throne. Throne, thrown off base, you know, like, like I'm usually ready. I'm, you know, I'm pretty intense that way. And so he turns around and he said, do you have any questions?

I said, can I be honest? And he goes, yeah, go ahead. I said, why am I here? I said, you've got, you know, four Oscar nominated actors out there reading for this character. I imagine because of how old they are. I said, he goes, you did Ned blessing his life in times that movie. And I said, yeah, he goes, you played Ned. And I said, yes, I did. And he goes, well, I tried to buy the rights to that movie to make it my next Indiana Jones. I want to do a series

of three movies. And Bill Whitliffe, who wrote it said, no, he wanted to make it my next Indiana Jones. I want to do a series of three movies. And Bill Whitliffe, who wrote it, said, no, he wanted to do it as a TV series because he thought there was 50 stories. Who's telling you this? This is Spielberg. He's telling you this. Spielberg, I'm sitting in the room to audition for Jurassic Park without asking him, why am I reading for this when all these giant actors are out there?

So he goes, well, so logically when the TV movie came out he said I watched it He said and you know what? I think you're gonna be the next Gary Cooper I think your subtleness and the way you portrayed this character was Seamless and because I watched that I asked them to bring you in because I think you'd be good to play them now Steven Spielberg just told me that he thinks I'm going to be the next Gary Cooper. I'd pay for that to be able to have that in my career. So I'm sitting there and I'm going, Steven Spielberg just said I'm going to be the next Gary.

He goes, are you ready to read? And I got half a page down and I went, can I stop? I realized I wasn't on. And I said, do you mind, Steven, if I go in the other room and I refocus? I didn't tell him why. And I went in and they brought in, you know, Sam Waterston or whoever it was, you know, eventually got it. Billy was, was one of the guys who, so they said, if it's, um, uh, if he's 50 and up, it's this guy. If he's 45 to 50, it's this guy.

If it's 40 to 50, it's Daniel Bolton. If it's 35 to 40, it's Billy Bolton. Billy was up for the same character in the room waiting. So I leave, of course I didn't get it. They went with the old, the older, 35, 40, it's Billy Bolton. Billy was up for the same character. In the room waiting. So I leave. Of course, I didn't get it. They went with the older actor. But I remember walking out of there thinking to myself, wow, Steven Spielberg noticed my work. He noticed what I did. And something completely different than this.

Again, that and $1.50 gets you on the subway. But I remember taking that with me. I remember taking certain things. Because you asked the question of who's the better actor You know, I mean I i've never won a big major award in acting but i've won a lot of film festivals and I think But i'll say this I'm proud to be able to say That i've worked my entire career that I always still have another movie coming out

I've direct movies which none of my brothers have done. I've written several movies, which none of them, well, I guess they've rewritten, but I don't know if they've written any and certainly none of them ever directed. I've even directed all of my brothers in films. And I've also done documentaries, which none of them have done that they actually wrote them and directed them. And I did one that I'll turn you on to. You got to watch it. How competitive are you guys as brother? Look, is it a super competitive environment it it is but I think that when you're talking about the acting thing How do you not acknowledge that Alec is you know, the he's the biggest star, you know, there's no kind of well

I got that was that commercial I did that uh, you know, I mean he's a big movie star, you know So I never got to be a big movie star, but I've gotten to be a very successful character, working actor. And what I found is that my niche is probably in directing. I'm a pretty good director. How often do people say, hey, what's up Alec? How often?

Oh my God. Is it like, is it every day? Nah, we're not as famous as we used to be. You know, I mean, it used to be we walked around and everyone, you know, would say, hey, and then the paparazzi would take your picture. Now I welcome to people. And they go, yeah, it's a black Mercedes. Pull it up front. You know, I have no idea who I am. But, uh, you know, it's funny cause someone said to me, they were taking a picture in the airport.

This is not that long ago. And, um, and the mother goes, you know, Gail, take a picture of daddy and I with Mr. Baldwin. And you know, you do the pose and then she said, Gail, don't you want to be, she went, no. And I went, and she said, and she went, mom. And I went, you want to see me make your daughter want to have her picture taken with me? And she looked at me and she went, yeah. And a father went, I bet you, you can. I said, you want to bet? I said, Haley Bieber, Justin Bieber's wife is my niece. And she turned around, she went, yeah. And the father went, I bet you you can. I said, you want to bet? I said, Haley Bieber, Justin Bieber's wife is my niece. And she turned around and she went, you're related to Haley?

Jumping up and down, going crazy. And I thought that was funny. I've been reduced now to being Haley's uncle. That's where I am. That's a big deal. That's a big deal now. She and he are monstrous, monstrously big for sure. But no, I've never disillusioned myself to say they're saying Harrison Ford, Alec Baldwin,

Clint Eastwood or Daniel Baldwin. Those conversations didn't ever take place. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. Was there ever a story about Alec was supposed to play the fugitive instead of Tommy Lee Jones? Is there a story with that? Or I don't know why there was a story. Well, actually, Harrison Ford should have just wrote Alek a check, you know, because

there was not just a fugitive, but there was another, oh, Hunt for Red October. So Alek did Hunt for Red October, which was the Clancy series. And then because he had promised that he would do this play, and he said, can you guys wait for me, they used that, I think it was Mace Neufeld, turned around and said, yeah, you're gone. And they hired Harrison, which he ended up doing two or three more of those. Then the fugitive, I believe the story was that Alec had

the rights to it. And he had the rights to the TV series, I think it was David Jensen, was it? He had the rights to the TV series, I think it was David Jensen, was it? He had the rights to the series. And then when he let that expire, Harrison and his guys grabbed it and then developed the rest of it into the movie that, you know, again, was very, very successful. So there's a couple of big breaks that Harrison Ford got that he owes to Alec, or at least in the record. How do you know though, right though right like how do you know when

I don't know if that movie's gonna do good or not how do you know like do you use their way of knowing you're not gonna know it's a crapshoot right like when do you know you know I mean I mean I'm in shooting two movies East Coast and West Coast and I'm in Delaware shooting Broadway Brawler hockey movie with Bruce Willis when Bruce was absolutely like one of the biggest diehard all of it and I'm shooting this movie and I'm like okay and I'm like the the girlfriend's brother his best friend I'm in this movie a lot and I'm like here we go you know we're on the a-game movie wise now with a lead and then whatever happened to him personally some stuff went down that suddenly the movie got shut down then we went back then I got shut down again and it never got finished and I thought what causes that what causes ishtar to have?

you know The actors that it had in it and then bomb at the box office because of a snowstorm on the East Coast when it opened That weekend. I mean is there really any way to know? There's no way to know you can put together the biggest names in Hollywood. And if you look at which names and you look at the movies they did in the last 10 years, there's nine movies that Wahlberg did that no one's ever seen.

I mean, they just shelved them and they released them on straight to video. Straight to video has changed the business so much. So many channels are available for you to watch the material that's on, that it's diluted the quality. I mean, you could make all kinds of stuff now. I mean, in the horror genre,

you put four kids going camping together in a camera with some blood, and someone's gonna watch that. It's a huge genre for kids, and they make these movies for micro, but under 100,000, and they do well. I mean, so what's well if you make it for 100,000? If it makes $500,000 over the course of three years,

five times your money, it's five X. That's a successful film. For sure, for sure. With a low budget tap. I remember one time I'm in LA. My wife buys me a gift, a one hour session with Aaron Spicer. He's an acting coach for Will know, for, you know, Will Smith, J.Lo, some of these guys. And I'm like, Hey man, I have some interest in acting.

He says, how do you do with downtime? I said, what do you mean? He says, what happens when you're not working? I said, no, my mind needs to, I need to work always. He says, well, you know, this just may not be the business for you. And so why? He says, because 90% of the time you're not working, 80, 90% of the time you're not working. 80-90% of the time you're not working. And when you're working, you're working. But you're not working most of the time. And what are you going to do during that season? How tough is it as an actor, you know, to learn to keep yourself occupied during the downtime so you don't pick up bad habits? during the downtime so you don't pick up bad habits?

For me, it wasn't, well, I shouldn't say totally wasn't the downtime, but I think for me, the harder part was the Len Bias. Remember Len Bias? Len Bias was the basketball player from the University of Maryland. Yeah, of course. The Celtics drafted him. They gave him a $500,000 signing bonus

and he OD'd out cocaine. There was a documentary on it, right? Where he did cocaine or something happened I remember this, yeah. Yes, so for me it was being the son of a school teacher and then being handed that kind of money. My agent, Karan, her name was, and I'm driving a convertible down Wilshire Boulevard

down by the water there, where Wilshire meets Ocean, and she calls up and she goes, Hey, this is back when cell phones were in a box this big. Remember the choice? So she calls up and she said, well, look, guess what? They want you to test for the TV show with Valerie Bertinelli America's sweetheart, Valerie Bertinelli married to Eddie Van Halen. And she's doing this new show called Sydney. It was me, Matthew Perry, Craig Bierko, Barney Martin, Valerie Bertinelli, so Rebecca Bush,

a nice cast in a sitcom. So I said, okay. And she said, so look, I've got them at 15,000 now. She said, but I think I can get, I'm gonna counter at 20, and I think I'll get somewhere around 17, five. And you would go to work, if you get it, it works next week. And I said, okay, well, hang on a second.

So that's how many episodes? And she said, 13. And I said, okay. So that's over $1,000 a week at 15,000. I go, we're not gonna lose the 15 if you count, right? She starts laughing. And I said, why are you laughing? And she went, no, honey, it's $15,000 an episode. And I remember I had to pull my car over. My father made $22,000 a year.

I had no idea what we were dealing with. And so she said, no, honey, it's, no, I'm going to try and get 17,500 times 13. I went, I'm going to try and get 17,500 times 13. I went, I'm like, they're going to pay me that to go up there and go, Hey baby. You know, I was like the stupid bar guy, you know? And I thought, really? And I got it. And they paid 17,500, whatever it was to start the first season. And I just thought, wow, that like the perspective of it is so insane.

You know, I mean, I sat there and I said seven to 10 lines of show. I was the funny guy in the corner and the rest was history. You know, I never stopped working since then, but I just, I'll never forget having that moment of going $17,500 a week. And this is an 88 or something like that. You know, it's a lot of money. I mean, 40 average person, it's a lot of money today, but right. 88 it's a lot of money. Yeah. And I can't, I'm thinking, but the same thing will be true of the, why I make movies myself now,

because I'd be sitting across from the guy, whoever he was, the, the, the producer of the movie, the exact, the guy who owns the negative. And then he'd say to me, and they're paying me, you know, whatever, six figures low, middle, whatever, depending upon where I am in my career. And I'd say, what does this guy know about acting, about writing, about directing? He knows nothing or very little, nothing that I don't know by now after 30, 40 films into it. And I've done over 150 movies.

So I'm looking at this guy going, why am I doing this for him for 200 grand? When I can make it myself? Because if he's paying me too, what's he making by the time he pays everybody? He's got to be making $5 million at least or more. Why don't I do this myself? Now, it's not like I made that many movies that sold for so much money, but certainly there's a lot more money involved when you own it than when you work for somebody else. And I much rather do a cool indie film. And again, if you're thinking about calling me and you want the Trump guy, then call me up and I'll go be in your big, your big feature film.

But because of my stance politically, I don't think I'm in any of those conversations, even in smaller parts now, they don't want anything to do with me. So how do you make money today? What's your method? I make movies myself and I'm about to come to value net with my, my podcast. Oh, are you really value? No, I was just throwing it So I could walk out and say what are you kidding me Patrick said? Yeah, I was I was an ESPN analyst on a show with them a podcast with them And then before that I was on Best Dance Sports Show period for Fox

I think the story we're going to with that time when you went to the story you were saying the Valerie Bertinelli is when I asked you on the downtime, where were you going to go with the downtime? Well, were you going to make a point about when you did have downtime, what it was like? Yeah, yes. So I think what was more important was when I brought up the story about the money was what do you do when someone lend biases you and drops off, you know, 200 grand, 300. I never had money like that. I had no idea what it was like to have that kind of money. Now you're on the list in the downtime, you're in the club and there's everybody, every face you're at shares house at a party or because you're on TV.

And suddenly I had access to things that were ridiculous. And now again, I'm not a sheen. I'm not a Carradine. I'm not one of these famous people from famous families that they've been parading these people in front of me my whole life This is all new to me and when you're 29 and you're making a half a million dollars a year from a family that made $22,000 a year and your brother's really famous too and your other brothers are coming up and blah and you're all now When you become part of pop culture when when in the movie clueless, they say he's a Baldwin or when they say When, when in the movie Clueless, they say he's a Baldwin or when they say, uh, uh, you know, South Park says, we need to entice the United States into a war.

We must hit them where it hurts the most. I know we'll bomb the Baldwin brothers, Bel Air complex and the jets fly over and drop nuclear bombs to entice the U S and again. So my agent calls me up and goes, you gotta go see South Park. I'm like South Park, the movie South Park. Yeah. I don't watch the series. I'm going to, you need to go see. So of course I put the baseball cap on. I go into the theater. I watch, I get the joke, you know, but, but again, when you, when you're part of that kind of, you know, we had a run,

we had a nice run there for 15 years. Yeah. I'd say something like that. Is this it? Is this the, the Baldwin? We, we, here it is. Look at the Hogwarts in the background. I don't know if we can show this one. Okay. This one's going to come back. Yeah. So that's pretty, but 15 year run. So you 15 years, it's a party. And what was, was it like as crazy and intense that you would imagine it to be? Was it pretty wild? Yeah. I mean. Sheriff's house, all these, you know. Yeah, man, you know, you walk into China Club

and they've got, you know, armed guys walking you in up to the VIP. They walk up to people who have all kinds of money, they've been spending money, move. You know, and they move them off the table and you're just sitting there like this, smiling at the guy, at his wife, at his girlfriend, going, you can stay, you gotta go.

You know what I mean? I mean, it was surreal, you know, I mean, so who was the wildest guy you met where you're like, damn, I was just invited to this person's party who was, you know, I would always say if I write the book, right, if I write the book, now you tell me this, you obviously probably know this more than I would. If I write the book and I say, so I go to the door in the hotel and I open the door and there's so and so, and I name him, his name is Charlie. So I go to the door and I say, and Charlie is waiting me with, you know,

the two girls and we ended up going in the room and it's, it's on for three straight days. No one sleeps. Now, if I don't say the guy's name and I say, and another A-list actor or another guy or another does that book sell the way straight days, no one sleeps, blah, blah. Now, if I don't say the guy's name and I say, and so another A-list actor or another guy or another, does that book sell the way it is if I say the guy's name? No. Of course not. So if I write my story, the names, this is kind of like, you know, not Epstein kind of stuff or P. Diddy, but the wild, you know, two girls and three guys and the stuff that I saw, you know, when I'd be at someone's house, there wasn't anything illegal besides maybe some of the paraphernalia that was

being used drug wise. But yeah, I saw some wild stuff like that. And I was pretty naive to it because I, you know, did you want to be with Angela and so and so, and I go, no, why would I want to be more than one? I only have two hands, you know? And so I never did any of that. I never did that kind of freaky or wild stuff, you know? But I definitely put myself in situations that were high risk because of, you know,

look at Charlie now, you know, Charlie Sheen. Charlie has AIDS and I think he's doing well, but you know, um, I definitely hung around with that crew, you know, a lot of those guys in the late eighties and early nineties and you know, a lot of big NBA basketball players that I went to parties at their homes and you know, where it was on, you know, it was, it was wild. I remember one time magic told a story. Have you seen that magic interview where he's doing, he says, so what was it like?

Says, yeah, I mean, 10, 12, 14 girls at a time. Yeah. Have you seen that interview? I haven't seen that interview, but I've been to parties where you went into the hot tub and they just had all had their clothes off and you could, it was Babylonian, I called it. When you look at the stuff that they depicted

that happened in Babylon and everything, fortunately for me, that just never did anything for me. Pete Slauson Really? Pete Slauson No, it never really did anything for me. Now, was I ever with one woman at a time? I never strayed the heterosexual line, but I definitely was with women I didn't know very well and was in situations that I'm not proud of now. Yeah. And I stay in every, obviously we're not going to watch it's 18 minutes, but I've seen that interview. No, I mean, look, I lived in LA 26 years. When I got out of the army and I'm 21, it was just, you know, but when you're,

when you're a celebrity in movies, in the eighties in LA, you're going to all the main clubs, nightlife, the insanity, I can only imagine the stories. But last question on Alec before we wrap up here. Tell me. You said after your mom, he said, I'm gonna go on a blackout, and I'm just kinda gonna be to myself, right? He said that to you.

How much of it do you think is mom from two years ago? And how much of it do you think is, you know, what happened with the event that happened in New Mexico, the movie, where it's just like, dude, I've had so much, I'm done. I just, I'm going away from everybody. Which one do you think influenced it more? I mean, mom is tough when that happens. And I throw into that category our history. He and I have definitely butted heads a number of times. I thought we were through that. I thought we had definitely come. We were the closest we've been four years or so ago for a good five-year run. We were as close as we've been in a long, long, long time. And this is a time where he knows you're a Trump guy.

So it's not like you're not a Trump guy and you guys are still close. Yeah, I think the thing about the Trump guy thing was he had a run with Stephen that wasn't very favorable because Stephen came out of the closet about Trump and backed him, which is what my problem with Stephen was this time because he suddenly wasn't involved in politics when it was going to be close. And I thought this was the time to, if you're going to talk about what you believe as Christian and you're going to, but for his own reasons, he decided that he was not going to be involved in politics this time out.

I, on the other hand, came out hard. If you go back, I'll send you some stuff where I just come right out and I go, you know, we elect this woman and we're gonna lose it all I remember TMZ 2016 when she lost you're like you lost. What do you want to do? Get go go you bought your business you lost and move on. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that Yeah, so so I just I think that I came out harder this time and it offended people that really wanted her But you know, you're gonna lose sometimes You're gonna win dust off get up and what are you gonna do about it? You know when you look at Hillary when she lost I know

A number of people including family members that didn't ever think she was gonna that he was gonna win They just didn't think he could do it. So they didn't do everything they did for other other People that were running before and other campaigns. They weren't as vehement in their backing and their financial situations and so on because they just didn't think he could do it and he did. So this time I think they knew he was the threat and they just lost. I mean look at the number of people in the overall vote too. This wasn't just electoral college. America spoke and each one of those states to lose, they did not want her. And I love listening to people saying that the reason why is because she was a woman and that that's the big factor. And I

think, I don't think so. I think it's because they didn't believe her. I don't think that they, I think the American people, particularly men, did not trust that she was qualified to be president based on her performance as vice president and this current administration. I think Hillary was ten times more qualified, not likable. I think Kamala was not qualified and not likable and not a talent. She's probably the worst candidate they've ever put up. Josh Shapiro would have stood a better chance than she did, so would have knew some and even AOC would have done better than she did and AOC is semi-socialist. So Kamala was a horrible candidate.

Yeah, she was a bad choice. But you know what's really interesting is to look at, I've looked at now who the frontrunners in 28 are going to be. And they actually are saying the Democrats, she's the frontrunner, number one. And I thought, what's she going to do to stay viable? Is she going to write a book? She going on tour? She going back to the Senate? I mean, can she go back to the Senate? I don't know if she can.

They're trying to get her a different job right now. She's doing the $200,000 keynotes to kind of get some money there. And who said it best that they said, she tried to be like Obama and she's not. Who was the one, the former Democratic major donor, right? That's a- John Morgan from Morgan & Morgan.

Right, and he's like, Oh yeah, I know John. You're not Kamala. You're not Obama., you're not Obama. Stop trying to be Obama. Did you see the Jane Fonda podcast with Bill Maher? When she was talking about getting older and that she's old now, yeah I saw that. Did you see when they talked about California and politics and all that stuff going back

and forth? I didn't see that part. I think it's worth for you to watch because I thought Bill did actually a very good job with the interview and I actually thought Jane was being honest Where she's kind of like yeah, I don't think that's what you think it is Maybe it is maybe I don't watch any news on the maybe I only watch CNN Maybe I'll and she was actually kind of going through having a wrong I think you'd benefit from watching it because you know her background being where she was at before

In in what do you call it in? You know in Hollywood, but it'd be interesting. I thought it was good watching what Bill is doing, and Bill is a guy that's a Democrat. He voted for Kamala. He doesn't think she's a good candidate. He's not gonna vote for Trump. He's not a Trump guy, but at least Bill will have moments

where you're like, okay, cool. He's reasoning and he's kind of going through himself. He sounds more like a reasonable Democrat than what they're putting up there right now. Here's where my real problem with it is. I believe that America has spoken, this guy's the president. And I said early on, and this included Trump, I know Donald, I worked for Donald. I've met Donald. I've spent time with him, blah, blah, blah. He's donated to my mother's breast cancer fund multiple times. Steven did the apprentice, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Do I like every single thing about any kid? No, no, about their personality, about, but he's one now. So since he's one, can we not figure out a way, this is Nixon again now, can we not figure out a way to work together to move forward? Again, it might not be your exact platform, but aren't there some common things that we can reach across the aisle to agree on, like lowering groceries, security in our cities, and stuff that are no-brainers. It seems like every single thing he brings up is going to be met with this force of... And I remember listening to Rosie. Now, I know Rosie O'Donnell all the way back to the first movie she ever did. And Rosie just hates

Trump. They don't like each other. It's very well known. They talk terrible things about each other right on camera. And, um, but even she, when Biden did that, uh, uh, um, debate, she turned around and she said, get them out. You know, she, she was all over getting him out of there right away. And she was a Biden person. Why would we not all look at, are these the two best people that we had? These were the two best people, the most talented people that we had these were the two best people the most Talented people that we had in the republican and democratic party to run for president Of the most powerful nation the the the most powerful economy

The most one of the most power in any one of those categories a war machine baba military These two kamal harris and even Donald Trump. Donald Trump is getting up there in years. I think he looks at things differently. I'm a supporter by far. I'm certainly a huge supporter versus her, but they're the most talented. So do we get a fresh injection after this events? Is he the guy that goes? Yeah, are you familiar with the chart about competency versus confidence where IQ is rarely a reflection of those who lead big enterprises or the country. It's rarely IQ, it's confidence. We give way too much credit to

competency. Competency doesn't necessarily mean that you're confident enough to deliver the message to an audience to get you know have conviction behind it and persuade others to say you're my guy right? So it takes a confident person to go up and run. I think where he's at right now and with all the issues that we have going on for you to overcome all the challenges last 12 months to be up there you know but DeSantis has been here Trump was here two months ago a a month ago. You know, we've had a lot of the candidates that are here.

As smart and competent as DeSantis is as a governor, he's not a president. To be president, you need confidence. And that confidence and the swagger, which by the way, partly I watch Alec, I'm like, is there a part in Alec that thinks, he's a motherfucker, I could have been the president. I could have been the freaking president.

You have no clue, I would have freaking crushed it. Let me tell you who I would have been, if I would have been president. And I think certain things in your life you can't even talk to your wife about. It's you versus you. Maybe your siblings know about it. Because they go back and say,

I remember when we were nine years old and how dad talked to us. I remember when we were 12 years old, that one time when dad walked us outside and such and such what's going on. He said, watch this video on Walter Cronkite. Remember that one night? He'll remember it, he'll remember it, right?

I wonder sometimes if it's kind of like, maybe it's not even envy, it's just a spirit of competition to say, dude, if that mother fucker, you know, I could have been one myself. If I had had, you mentioned about your acting and taking lessons in Los Angeles, if I could have sat for six sessions with Hillary Clinton, she'd be president of the United States now. She needed an acting lesson. She needed to learn how to hold back, how to smile a little

bit more, how to deliver like an anchor person. I mean, she needed those kinds of lessons, how to be, even if she wasn't The things that I was trying to teach her to be she needed to learn how to act like it because she was very unapproachable She had a very condescending. She should have every time Trump sent something to her and those she should have gone And just a little but not down, you know in the faces and all on that it made her unattractive She's a woman. Be attractive. Be attractive to people. Make them want to vote for you. You're right about the confidence thing. I never looked at her and felt like I could relate to her. I didn't. Now, Bill

Clinton was a genius. He was a genius at this. Till today, by the way. genius. So I turned around and I'm dating before I was married. I'm with another significant other and we go to the roast for Alec on Spike TV and she goes, I mean, she's got the big Bill Clinton book on her table. She's a huge Clinton fan. You can see she's wriggling to meet him. So Bill comes out and he does his piece on Alec and me and Billy, you know, De Niro, all these other people. Five years ago. Yeah, make fun of Alec. And so we get done. And there's the Secret Service guys off in the wing. And there's Clinton. And I woke up and I say, Mr. President, nice to meet you. I said, my friend would love to meet you. And she walks right up to him and she goes, I'm his better half. And Bill turns around and takes

a step back and he goes, looks right up and down. Well, I can see that. And he says, but he didn't do it gross. He did it, you know, he was bill Clinton. It was charming. It was complimentary. It was a little sexual and that's he, you liked him. He was engaging. He was, she was never engaging to me. Yeah, I was in Hope Arkansas for my father-in-law's Funeral he passed away. This is two thousand. This is October of 2015 give or take and

We go there and we're driving up while I'm there We go to this funeral home called Brazil the Brazil funeral but it's like B R A S I L L E E something like that so the owner comes out I'm paying the bill for you know the ceremony and everything as I'm gonna ask you a question how do you guys feel about Bill Clinton here local is it true that he is a playboy? He says oh yeah for sure he is. Can you go to images? That's exactly the one. Brazil okay there you go. O'chris, funeral home. Can you zoom into the images just to kind of see the images part? No, the other one, Rob. That's exactly one. Just go to the top and type in images,

Rob. Just write, yeah, right there, images. Yeah, that's the one. Right there. That's the one. So we're at this place, and I say, is it true that Bill Clinton was a playboy? Oh yeah. Is it true that he would flirt and be whoever he was, sleeping around? Absolutely. Did you locally, did you guys have a problem with that? That he was like, not at all.

I said, why don't you have a problem with that? He says, you ever met his wife? I said, no. He says, she is the meanest person we've ever met in our lives. He says, we're Republicans. He says, we're Republicans. He says, but we loved him. He was great. Her, we couldn't stand her. She was rude to all of us, all the time. And one time I think like his uncle died or something and he was there reading the eulogy and joy not Joe Behar but middler Is that the singer but middlers there and they're about to go. It's like you you know, I'm going back and

Not gonna stay here with everybody you go out there with your friend and do whatever you need to do and it's like, okay No problem. He goes and then she goes back home But you know, it's these types of stories that comes out when you learn about the charming, you know The charm to become a president you you have to have your own element of charming charisma. I just wonder if your brother sits there and says, I could have been a president myself. And that is... I think he still could. Yeah. Well, I think he still could. And he's had some stuff happen that have been real blows to the ability for him to do that. But I think if he started with a Senate seat, I think if he ran in New York where he's very, very popular, and I think that if he could get the agreement

with his wife to let him pursue that, he's 65, 66 now. You think he likes people? Yes, I think he cares. I think his scope politically is narrow. It's very focused on that group, on the Democrats. But again, I think he still could, but he wouldn't get to presidency for at least eight or more years, which I've been looking at the clock how old he is. But nowadays you can run at 78, 79.

Yeah. Well, I got to tell know, when we sit down, we go through a guest tub on a podcast and say, how about this guy? But I have my own list and they come up, okay, here's what we're thinking. Baldwin's, yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure. Guys, I have no idea where we're gonna go with this.

And I was like, damn, that was so, and then you leave, you have the conversation, what a freaking great conversation I had. And then from there to now, you was so, and then you leave, you have the conversation. What a freaking great conversation I had. And then from there to now, you sitting down with your mom with the conversation with you, I've enjoyed learning about the family. I got two boys, and my affinity with these types of stories

is how do you keep everybody together later on when you're no longer here? Your father passed away at 55 years old, and your mother two years ago, and, you know, seeing the fragmented relationships now where, you know, everybody's kind of to himself, how do you as a parent make sure to keep everybody together when you're no longer here?

It's not an easy task. It's very hard to do, to be able to do that. And stories either inspires you to kind of think about it and say, well, just make sure when later on this is going on, you think about this. But it's definitely very interesting to say the least to hear the stories, both from your point of view, as well as Stephen's when he was here us, and then the kids. And we have to be at the top of that. And I used to look at that and go, the kids don't come before. No, we come. And she's right. And I'll tell you why. If my father looked

at where things were now, I think he'd be disappointed in some of it. I think he would. I think there were times, I remember when Billy, Billy was working at summer school and he, um, he was, you know, would walk around and patrol the bike racks, you know, and, and, and so that, cause kids were all rode their bicycles and there was an epidemic of bikes being stolen. So they hired two boys to walk around this massive complex and some kid, they were robbing bikes and they, um, they grabbed Billy and they got him in the corner and they roughed him up some. And I remember and I was like, how old is Billy? How old is he? Billy's gotta be, I guess I'm like 13 or 14. So Billy's like 11 or 12.

Has he started wrestling yet or not yet? Yeah, he's wrestled, but these were like senior in high school. And so, and I was an inordinately big kid at 14 I was six foot one in 90, you know Do you guys have a reputation as brothers like don't mess with the Baldwin brothers or not yet? I Definitely have a reputation of don't mess with me. Yeah, and so and so I remember my father just gave me the Billy came home He was blackened up a little bit. My father went Take care of it tomorrow. That's all he said take care of it tomorrow And of course, I found the kid and just beat the crap out of him and made an example of him to

everybody else, loud yelling while I'm cracking them. And it wouldn't have mattered what Billy did. I can't tell you, you ask Steven next time you see him, how many times I heard this. Now, Steven graduated, let's see, he's six years. So I graduated in 79. So in 85, I think Steven graduated. The summer of 85, I cannot tell you how many times I'm, you know, in a bar, in a place and someone taps me on the shoulder, you know, turns me around and goes, you Steven Baldwin's brother? And I knew right away, Steven shot his mouth over to my brother, Daniel, kick your ass, shut your mouth, you know, talk to the guy's girlfriend and see when we get

me in fights. That summer, no, I kid you not, summer that summer. I got I got in seven fights like big motorcycle looking guys going Outside I'm like here we go, you know And so as I'm walking and I'm looking which one I'm gonna drop first and how it's gonna go Do I need to call guys up? Is there nine of them you Stephen Baldwin brother? Let's go, you know and Stephen again laughing his ass off. He didn't get hit nothing Hey wasn't even there and I and I had to pay but he was my brother It wouldn't really a matter what happened if I thought Stephen was gonna take the shot from this guy I was gonna drop the guy for sure that mentality is something my father instilled in us for sure

Ask questions later. Go ahead and beat your brother up afterwards But you make sure your brother's okay and you make sure you back your guy. Same as New Mexico, same as anything in the press. It wouldn't matter what happened. He says, this is my brother. You know, this is my sister. My sister and I, my older sister and I, don't talk that much anymore. I talk with my younger sister more than her. But if anything ever happened with one of her kids or anything ever happened to one of the grandkids, I'd be on a plane. You know, that would be it, you know, you wouldn't have to ask anything else. It's my sister. So I think some of that blind unity

and blind faith has been lost over the years. And I get that you have children, you know, you have your own family that you have to look out for priority wise. I understand that, but not when it really comes down to it. If it really comes down to it, you got to back each other up. I don't know. You can teach that. I'm not sure you can teach it. I think either you, you hear about it, you live it for a while and then you, it's, it's who you are or it's not. Yeah. My, my, uh, dad's, I told the story two months ago. My dad's sister died two months ago.

And one thing about my dad and his four total siblings, he's the oldest son, his sister was the oldest, and his two younger sons, brothers. So never once, never once, Daniel, did they throw each other under the bus. Never once they always got along. It's like our house was always, we were always happy. We were always, everybody was, we were always happy. Not the same on the other side of the family, but these guys were relentlessly united on the way they did

it. It's not easy to do because it's ambition, it's competition, and nobody did anything big with their lives. So it's not like it was a super competitive family where one is out doing the other no one my dad was a cashier at a 99 cent store My aunt you know in in ended up working at the embassy in Iran If you've ever seen a movie Argo and when they came and they shut down the embassy in Iran He she wasn't there. She ended up marrying a marina moved to Chicago seen Iran. She was in there. She ended up marrying a marina, moved to Chicago. My uncle, youngest brother of his, youngest uncle, he was the smartest guy, never got anything done. He was 70% Johnny. He would always finish the project 70%, leave 30%, go to the next

thing. And the next thing, never finished, always started it. And then the other one was a great poker card player who worked for Paycon, a car company in Iran who knew every single auto parts number but he was a sarcastic sob and funny as hell. Yogi Berro type of funny, not the kind of funny like you think like you know but a different kind of funny. These guys had each other's back and it was a it was very interesting to see no matter what anybody has ever said He kept a great relationship with me my dad did but he also kept a very good relationship with his siblings What did that I've never seen that I've never seen that and and I wonder if a part of it was the sacrifice comes at

nobody accomplishing anything massive together because there is no competition? Or does it come because it's not driven based on ambition? Like which of you guys are going to do this first? You know like the Kennedys, who's going to be a president first? Who's going to do this first? That's steering the pot a little bit. Does that create a bit of friction between the siblings? Who knows?

But to me, as somebody like the other day day going back to what your wife said to you My son Jennifer's like hey babe, you know such-and-such was a little bit disrespectful I said what do how was he here's what he said, huh? All right, and this was like the third time in two days and I like it. I Want to pick them up and I said, let's go for a drive. We're driving. I said can I ask you a question? Yeah. What makes you think you can talk to your mother that way? I said do you realize she's your mother but she's my wife. You disrespect my wife one more time. We're gonna have a problem. And he looked at me in the weirdest way was like damn I

disrespected his wife and he was kind of like I never thought about it that way before she is your wife first I said she's my wife I said a stranger disrespects my wife you know what I would do to them I said you're lucky you're my son but don't you ever disrespect my wife So you understand me said yes, I said are we good Yes, when we get home you go talk to your mother, but when it comes down to my wife never crossed the line again I totally got it You know those moments that we have you had with your pops you had with your mom Hey, go say hi take the picture with them

It doesn't take any more energy to be nice. Those small little lines, right, of how you build those values. I know, at the end of the day, as a guy that's got four kids myself, I think you got six, right, if I'm not mistaken, right? You're at six, and your parents had six as well, so you have the same amount that they did.

You wanna see the siblings come together, especially with the history that you guys got. There's certain last names that have names, and we don't have to agree politically. I don't have to sit there and say, I'm a frickin' Alec Baldwin fan. I'm a fan of seeing the family come together. I don't have a lot of things that I agree with on Andrew Cuomo politically. You know, Chris Cuomo, maybe a couple things we sit there and talk about. You know what? Family-wise, Mario, your father played a big role.

I love how close these two brothers are to each other. I don't have to agree with you politically. I just wanna see that part, family-wise. But anyways, brother, I really enjoyed this. This was fantastic, truly. I appreciate you coming on, and I'm sure when this comes out, Stephen's gonna text me,

let me tell you, it's gonna be funny, just going through the whole process. Oh, listen, I'm already gonna get it from all of them all this may be the first time I hear from any of my brothers because of this If that happens man, I I'd love to see that for you guys you guys independently you guys do your own thing together That's what matters because family's important. We're aging. I look at my hands. I'm like, I'm 46 now just yesterday I was 21. I'm for this didn't look like this 25 years ago. It's going like this 25 years ago it's going like this like this it's going bro it's not even a zero sympathy for it no

matter how nice we are you're aging. We went with the my wife's family to Myrtle Beach for Thanksgiving I bought my two daughters my son my wife and saw her her dad's side and her sister and everything and so they're there one brother Juco basketball player. And he said, yeah, we're going to go out. Let's go. Let's go. So I get out there with this kid and some of their friends and everything. And boy, 64. And so we ended up playing King and his court at the end. Winner is the King. And of course, two, three pointers at the very end and I win. And so I get to walk out amongst these 25, 22, 19 year old basketball players and say, I'm the king.

The next day I could barely stand. No, no, no. I mean, there was, there was literally moments where I like, I went, I knew I was going to hurt myself and I dove at the ball. I couldn't move. My wife's laughing at me. You had to go through your point. The pride of competition. No, I get it, wait listen, again, if it happens, fantastic, I'd be more than happy to see the picture of all you guys posting together, spending time together, family's very important.

Anyways, my man, really enjoyed it, appreciate you brother, yes, God bless, take care everybody, bye bye bye bye. You're gonna think I'm crazy when I tell you this, but the last 13 and a half years, I've been working on my first fiction book to write ever. Fiction book to write. And while I finished this book, a year ago, I got the strangest phone call about one of the characters in the book where the guy wanted to meet with me and he read the book. And

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