PBD Podcast - Amazon's on a Hiring-Spree | EP 29 - Guest Tom Ellsworth (Biz Doc)

Episode Date: December 2, 2020

On this episode of the PBD Podcast, Pat sits down with guests Tom Ellsworth aka The Biz Doc and Adam Sosnick from $o$Cast to discuss Amazon hiring left and right, Employers forcing you to get vaccinat...ed, and much more... Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3kF7BT1 Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list The Bet-David Podcast is a podcast that discusses, current events, trending topics, and politics as they relate to life and business. Stay tuned for new episodes and guest appearances. Connect with Patrick on social media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/patrickbetdavid/ Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/patrickbetdavid Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PatrickBetDavid.Valuetainment To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: info@valuetainment.com About the host: Patrick is a successful startup entrepreneur, CEO of PHP Agency, Inc., emerging author, and Creator of Valuetainment on Youtube. As a natural critical thinker, Patrick takes complex leadership, management, and entrepreneurial ideas and converts them into simple life lessons for today and tomorrow’s entrepreneurs. Patrick is passionate about shaping the next generation of leaders by teaching thought-provoking perspectives on entrepreneurship and disrupting the traditional approach to a career. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We're live. All right. We are live with I believe episode number what Adam is this 29 I got 29 episode number 29 with our good friend who is back biz doc a K a Tom Elsewhere not the other way around biz doc also known as Tom else Tom. Those were Tom How are you? I am great. Thank you so much for having me here. Yes. Can you tell us why you weren't at shirt? What's so special about that? Sure, especially on the shirt You interviewed me some time ago and you said interview with a guy that had sold four country companies for a total of a billion dollars. And in that, I ranked Lewis Hamilton fourth on my formula one list.
Starting point is 00:00:35 As a change. It has changed. He is. Don't break my heart right now, Tom. No, no, no, no, he's number two all time. You put him behind, behind Senna? Behind Senna. And I. So Senna still stays number one in the painting.
Starting point is 00:00:46 Senna stays number one. Tragedy prevented big stats from being piled up. Well, if for some of you that don't know Tom, Tom used to run a show on value tame and called case studies and he crushed it with case studies. I think within a span of six months he was a number one case study guy on all of YouTube. And we had a conversation. We said, Tom, why don't you come here? We got a lot of things to talk about today business. We had a sit down yesterday talking about
Starting point is 00:01:11 preparation for today's podcast. Adam, is it fair to say this is going to be a pretty jam-packed podcast? We got a lot going on. We got a lot of stuff going on. Tom brought some some some case studies, some heat, some topic. Here's here's what Tom's got to make some predictions today. He's like a four-'s what Tom's gonna make some predictions today. He's like a forecaster. I want to make a prediction today. Tom's predictions gonna be with business. Okay.
Starting point is 00:01:31 My predictions gonna be with Iran. Okay. My prediction on Iran has to do with nuclear, the who they recently killed and we'll talk about that extensively. And Tom's predictions gonna be on what's gonna happen with business. And you will be surprised.
Starting point is 00:01:45 What Tom has to say about Netflix. Very surprised. What Tom has to say about Netflix. And it's not what you think he's going to say about Netflix. And I might have a couple sports predictions while we're at it. You say that five years. Oh my God, we're about to get a thousand viewers. But before we get started, here's what I want to know.
Starting point is 00:02:03 We're thinking about doing a show. We call a bunch of guys who were ordering the products over the weekend during the Jones Tyson fight. We're watching and a lot of Jones, Tyson Jones fight. A lot of people were asking about coming up with a soy boy mafia shirt. If you're up for a soy boy mafia shirt and you would buy it, push the subscribe button. If you would buy it now watch us get only like five subscribe All right, let's do it. We're curious. You know, if we want to come up with the the soy boy mafia Clan soy boy mafia shirt. Let's do it. We've had a wonderful weekend
Starting point is 00:02:35 I hope you have you guys had a good weekend as well. We got a lot of things to go through here one Let me give you the topics number one Amazon goes on hiring spree without equal. No one's even close to them. They hired 400 and 27,300 employees this year. Let me say this one more time. They hired 427,300 employees this year and 10 months. We'll talk about that. 20-shapest, rest and peace.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Facebook to buy customer service company called customer with a K. This next one is pretty controversial, but I think it's important for us to get into it. Your boss can really think about this. Your boss really, really thinks you should get vaccinated. Meaning your boss can make you get vaccinated. Can they really, we'll talk about that.
Starting point is 00:03:18 One kid made $40,000 buying 200 play stations and he reselled it and made $40,000 cash. Good for him. We'll give a shout out to him. GM wanting to buy Nikola and then, you know, turning it around and saying, no, we're not really interested. A tweet yesterday from myself towards who is it? Who was it that I sent a tweet to yesterday? Jake Tapper from CNN that they finally came out and they said, oh, it was all China's fault. And they knew and they were not disclosing the data. And we'll talk about that a little bit.
Starting point is 00:03:47 We'll talk about that a little bit yesterday. Congress is briefly recovering, reconvening on the pressure from Trump and Biden to pass COVID-19 stimulus bill after months of gridlock. Iran's top nuclear scientists was assassinated by remote control machine gun, placing the back of another car. The country's media says, Tulsi Gabbard wants Trump to pardon Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, uproar in France, over proposed limits on filming police, meaning France wants to tell us people to no longer be able
Starting point is 00:04:18 to record what cops are doing. So that's pretty interesting to see where that's going to go. Biden, I mean, catastrophic fractures foot. It was all over the news while playing with his dog to wear a boot. I mean, that was on the news nonstop. Gallup, coronavirus, vaccine poll. And we got a few other things. Fauci made some comments and other fight he had with Rand Paul. Biden chooses all female communications staff. Again, a bunch of different topics we have here to go through.
Starting point is 00:04:45 One professor from Stanford lost her mind. She lost her mind over the internet and snooped at a pretty good job, commentating which I'm proposing him getting a through your $15 million contract from somebody. Having said that, let's get right into it. Why don't we talk about Amazon? Let's get right into Amazon first. Let's get that one knocked out of the way. By the way, if you're happy Tom Ellsworth's here with us,
Starting point is 00:05:05 with Adam and I, push the thumbs up. And if you got your friends that join you on this podcast with us, share this with everybody so we can also tune in, people can tune in, and participate in the commentary. And who knows, we may make a phone call today to somebody. We may call, we may call a police officer from the show Live PD to tell us what he thinks about what's going on right now
Starting point is 00:05:26 What he thinks about no cameras in France not recording cops I'd love to get him on the line get it starts Let's talk about Amazon. Okay, I'm a son on a hiring spree without equal the company has added 427,000 300 employees in 10 months bringing his global workforce to more than 1.2 million That's an average of 1,400 new workers a day. Let me say that one more time That's an average of 1,400 new workers they day. Let me say that one more time. That's an average of 1,400 new workers they hired per day and solidifying its power as an online shopping becomes more entrenched on the coronavirus pandemic. The hiring has taken place at Amazon's headquarters
Starting point is 00:05:56 in Seattle at its hundreds of warehouses and rural communities and suburbs and in countries such as India and Italy with its new employees they hired, that's 50% higher than last year. This spring has accelerated since the onset of the pandemic, which has turbocharged Amazon's business and made its winner of the crisis. Starting in July, the company brought on board 30,000 and 50,000 employees, 2800. They most have been warehouse workers, but Amazon has also hired software engineers and hardware specialists to power enterprises such as cloud computing, stemming, streaming
Starting point is 00:06:28 entertaining, entertainment and devices, which has boomed in the pandemic. Okay. 427 300 employees. Tom, thoughts. I think this is amazing. So for all those people that were saying, Amazon's not hiring anybody, they're just going to put robots and all the warehouses and everything. Hey, you're wrong, baby.
Starting point is 00:06:47 They're hiring people. It's a good point. They may not be a job that everybody wants, but there's a bunch of jobs out there in a clean warehouse where you can get some basic benefits and get a job. What do you think about the protesting? People protesting saying you're not paying them well enough. You're not taking care of them. You're working their tails off. It's not fair, what do you think about all the protesting?
Starting point is 00:07:07 Look, you know, there is not a CEO out there that hasn't endured people wanting more. And I don't think that's such a big surprise. And everybody wants a living wage. But look, if you're a part-time worker in a warehouse and everything, maybe that's not, you know, a full lifestyle job. And so I think entrepreneurs take it to chops too much. You're making jobs, you're, there's, everybody's paying a little bit in taxes, you're adding to the economy, you're making enabled consumers, can go buy other things. And somebody's going to be upset with you. What do you think about it, Adam?
Starting point is 00:07:44 Yeah. somebody's going to be upset with you. What do you think about it, Adam? Yeah, I mean, to echo Tom Stas, um, a couple different different thoughts. We, we, we pulled it up last time. If you go to relentless.com, yep, relentless.com, I challenge everyone out there to pull up relentless.com and see what gets pulled up. Boom, Amazon.com, just to kind of put their mentality out there. They bought relentless.com, just to show like they ain mentality out there, they bought relentless.com, just
Starting point is 00:08:05 to show like they ain't going nowhere. And they're going to keep hiring and hiring, hiring. I actually did some research. You know who the largest employers on the planet are on the entire planet, the largest employers on the entire planet. I mean, it's the government is the highest. Correct. Number one, Walmart. Yeah. Is that the same thing? Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. U.S. Defense Department, 3.2 million people. Number two, the Chinese Army, 2.3 million people, what's the name of the Chinese Army? People's Freedom Movement, whatever it's called.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Chinese Army. Number three, Walmart, 2.1 million, number four, McDonald's, 1.9 million. So now where is... That's as of 2018, by the way. Exactly. That's not 2020. That have it. They haven't calculated. Obviously, 2020 just on the 2020 date of almost that 2.4 million. Okay. Got you. So I need to step my game up. No, but you got good data. They keep going. You know, point is that Amazon last year wasn't even on the top 10 list.
Starting point is 00:08:59 But now they're likely to be cropping the top five pretty soon. Kind of like what Tom said, you know, they get a bad name. They, you know, the robots are going to put people out of work. They're hiring like crazy. What's this that here that 384,000 job applications just since September 16th, it says, so look, you're looking for a job. Amazon's got you, right? So respect to Amazon.
Starting point is 00:09:24 Like we talk about here entrepreneurs get a bad name, but here's 25,000 of those jobs with an average salary of $150,000. We're supposed to be in New York until AOC and the blast you push them out in coma said, what the hell are you guys doing? 25,000 jobs at an average salary of $150,000. We're supposed to be in New York in the Blasio. And now you will see said, it's not fair, you're gonna come and raise wages and you're gonna raise a lifestyle and rent's gonna go up.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Like what the hell are you talking about? You got 25,000 jobs at $150,000 and they won't elsewhere. Plus, thousands and thousands of other jobs. That's those are the high paid workers. I mean, obviously the people that are even just making 15 bucks an hour or whatever it is in New York City that they pushed them out. It's sad. Did you have another thought on this? Yeah, just another thought. I mean, just to,
Starting point is 00:10:12 you know, maybe end this argument, if not, I would say the two biggest entrepreneurs of the biggest names and the billionaire names in the world for the past few decades have been Warren Buffett and Bill Gates unquestionably straight up. Now, without question, you're talking Bezos and Musk now. Like the new, the new guard is here. The old guard, obviously Warren Buffett is what, 90 years old somewhere around there. I don't know if I would put Gates in the old guard because I think Gates just getting started. You got to realize Gates is how old, how will this give Bill Gates? He's in his mid 60s. That's not old. I'm not saying that that's not a one. When you work a hundred billion dollars, guess who's
Starting point is 00:10:52 your doctor? He 65. There it is. Um, yeah, 65. Who's your, who's your doctor when you got a hundred billion dollars? I'm not saying that I'm not saying he's, uh, you know, gone, but he's clearly not focused on business as much anymore. He's more about humanity. Do you have a house or the best doctor in the world? He's still young. Bill Gates is not the problem. Neopadric hair. That's right. Do you grow up to do you or not?
Starting point is 00:11:15 Oh, do you mean sarcastic? No, I'm not sarcastic. I can't see you being a doogie guy. I mean, I was just like, I shoulda doogie guy in a Melrose place guy. I'm more about doing the doogie kind of a thing than the doogie house. But can you do the doogie? And no, I was I was never able to. I never really got into that show.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Bob Tom, I've seen you dance. Let me tell you I guarantee you your dance moves will get a lot more views online than Adam's dance moves. I don't know about dance moves. Keep chiropractors employed. Were you a doogie house or guy? And I know I just said that I Where you a doogie house or guy? I know. I just said that I was not a doogie house. You never, I could see you totally being a doogie house.
Starting point is 00:11:50 And why are you pissing him off? You just said it for the third time. He's not a doogie house. Tom's got the kind of a temper of a scientist. He'll slap me around. So we went off here. Come back to this topic. Let's go back to this topic.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Somehow, somehow we went from Amazon to doogie. Yeah. That was all that. Don't blame the doogie house. But go back to this topic. Any final thoughts on it? Oh, I hear on Amazon. You can get all Amazon to doogies. Yeah, that was all that. That was all that. Don't blame the doogie hell. But go back to this time. Any final thoughts on it? All right, here on Amazon, you can get all the old doogie
Starting point is 00:12:08 houses. You know, I'm sure they've got like a bunch of links there to the old DVDs. They probably do. And you can still buy them as DVDs or download them from Amazon video. You're just plugging Amazon over here. No, no, no, I'm not trying to plug Amazon.
Starting point is 00:12:21 It's just, you know what's interesting? You brought up and there was a stat. I thought you had looked up at them. It's like, I have to admit, there's another half a million jobs out there that Amazon has created that are contract jobs for drivers. And so you got drivers out there. And somebody was just rolling up here on one of the comments and was saying, Hey, don't forget us truckers. We get contract jobs on Amazon. They move a lot of stuff. And so what's next for Amazon, Tom? I mean, if you're really thinking about it right now, you know, the conversation that came
Starting point is 00:12:49 up yesterday was monopoly. And, hey, is anybody facing a monopoly right now and Paul said, monopoly is when you want 100%. I said, monopoly is not 100% I think monopoly is a 50% rule that they have. If you start getting more than 50% to target market, you start kind of facing monopoly type of issues. It used to be 75, some say 75, some say 50, but states are on a 50% number that you're talking about. Federal trade commissions got low radar, 51.0%. They sell. And then they come visit you and you're lobby.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Is that visit going to be happening anytime soon or is Walmart preventing them from being a monopoly? I think Walmart, you know what's interesting to look at, I was, the other day, I was looking at Target, Target very quietly, you know, didn't want to just be the number three guy that just died a lonely death. And they've done a lot with their, with their online and delivery on COVID, but I believe that there is a move that is coming for Amazon. And maybe it's gonna slow down under the Biden administration, but there is a move that's coming from Target to compete with.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Well, yeah, I think there's a lot of people want the US government to kind of clip their wings a little bit. And because it's not a bad thing if Sam's club and Walmart same thing, and Target and Amazon are all competing, I mean, that helps all of us a little bit. Let me tell you, the fact that Target is in there. Target is helping Amazon from being, you know, categorically in Amazon. Target's a savior right here for these guys.
Starting point is 00:14:18 You take Target out, both Amazon and Walmart are in trouble. And because for monopoly, there's no question about it. So Jeff Bezos behind closed doors, secrets, secretly wants target to do better. Jeff Bezos for optics, for appetite, for these like listen target, keep going at it. Man, take some. I think he's rooting for market share 100%. Rooting for target 100%. He's rooting for target because when came up, went out of business about a decade ago, I
Starting point is 00:14:46 don't know if you remember, Kmart was the King Kong. Kmart was huge before Walmart. Yeah, super saving center. Kmart went out, heard a lot of these guys, but now that Target's coming up and there's some people that go to Target over Walmart. There's a lot of people that prefer. Kai is one of them. Well, Kai Flour said, that's where he picks up girls.
Starting point is 00:15:03 Sam too. So some people go to Tinder, Kai goes to Target as where he goes to to Florida. He's doing it. In the army at Ford Campbell, Kentucky, the place to go, Flour was at Walmart at Clarksville. Nice. But that was 24 years ago. So it's a different story. How many teeth that those ladies have?
Starting point is 00:15:17 How many teeth? You'd be surprised at least seven. Nice. That's a nice. Tell us what you got. Final thoughts, something that Tom brought up yesterday, you wanted to talk about, you know, speaking of where you used to go pick up chicks and all that fun stuff, you know, Kai goes to Target, Sam goes to the mall.
Starting point is 00:15:32 We talk about the malls here. We're talking about these big anchor stores, the seers, the JC pennies, the Lord and tailors, what happened. Now they're becoming Amazon fulfillment centers and a lot of these dying malls are going to have to be more amusement park crazy fun vibes to I mean, when we can all get out there in public again, kind of get out there, take the family and have fun with it. But a lot of these anchor stores will be or becoming Amazon fulfillment centers. I believe you had a thought with that.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Did you know what the fulfillment centers? Oh, yeah. I think that so the malls, well, first of all, commercial office space is a whole we could do a whole discussion about what's happening commercial office space with work from home and everything. The smell of case, though. But I think, you know, you get these, you know, it's not, you still have to go get stuff, right?
Starting point is 00:16:20 And I saw a picture in New York. It's very interesting. It was this brown stone had been built. And people can't get in at night because there's this little skinny hallway and inside there, they're floor to ceiling. They have all the Amazon boxes. Because they have someone that brings all the boxes in
Starting point is 00:16:34 so the pirates don't snatch it off the porch and they're stacked up on the inside. And it used to be you would walk in, you had this little tiny area and you put your key in, you got your mail. Now there's just floor to ceiling with all these Amazon boxes, groceries, and everything like that.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I really think that there's these, you take a look at Whole Foods, you got all the Amazon lockers for little stuff out front. Once you start getting even bigger than this, it's like all of us are going to need something three times the size of our high school hallway locker, where each day we just go get our stuff, because it's not just little stuff. And I don't know how much you're going to be able to deliver. So I think commercial real estate is done. Like you think it's going to have a massive decline, like new space.
Starting point is 00:17:12 New space. I think it's going to change. What are we doing with the space? You know, what are we going to do? But I'm asking you, like, like, do you think, do you think they're the next newspaper? I don't think they're the next newspaper, but they're in bad, bad place. But watch what you're saying. It's a little bit contradictory because I'm actually really curious with this time and
Starting point is 00:17:29 I want to get your feedback because when Elon Musk did an interview, what was two years ago when he kept saying the biggest threat to humanity is what? AI, you know, everything's going to be replaced. Jobs are going to be replaced. And then you had Andrew Yang's campaign, which was a thousand dollar, you know, you know, you know, basic income, you know, everybody's got to get a thousand bucks because AI. And then Amazon employs 427,000 people during pandemic, which everyone's working from home. Do you understand what I just said?
Starting point is 00:17:56 So during the season where everybody's working from home, Amazon hires 427,000 people. And so then the conversation becomes about commercial, because I got a lot of commercial realistic guys that call me and say, Pat, I disagree with you. Commercial real estate is doing very well. And people are always going to need office space. I'm like, I don't know if they need, many industries don't need it. But actually from your point of view, do you really think commercial real estate could be as bad as newspapers? Or are they still going to have to figure out what to come back and recover? I think some of it will be repurposed and does somebody get smart and repurpose it. So does somebody in commercial real estate pull a target and say, I'm not going to get crushed?
Starting point is 00:18:33 I'm going to find a way to live in this and I'm going to repurpose my space and do things like this. I think that's the first avenue. The second avenue is I take a look at something I was reading and I don't want to plug major credit card company, right? That we all know it's the one with the highest fees, but a lot of services and it's one you have to pay every month Well, they have like their entire call centers are Working from home
Starting point is 00:18:58 They come up they turn on their headset. They've got these secure loops that they've done through what's called a VPN tunnel their headset, they've got these secure loops that they've done through what's called a VPN tunnel. So they open up their laptop at home and they're on duty and they're doing their stuff, looking at your charges, looking at things on there in a secure way. And so the entire call center is working from home, which is eliminated the need for an Atlanta a Phoenix and a Miami excess space in their call centers. So somebody's going to pay out the lease on those commercial contracts. Are you talking about American Express? Or was that discovered? It's your podcast. I was waiting for you to plug it. But here's my question for you. But yes, let's try it. It was Hamac.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Here's my question for you. I trust your brain and your processing. If we right now, the three of us own $2 billion of commercial real estate in America, pre-pandemic, okay, we're doing okay. We're 85% of, you know, fully occupancy. We're doing okay. Money's coming in. We're doing fine and we're sitting on it. COVID hits.
Starting point is 00:19:58 We lose people. A lot of our guys cannot pay us. What's your next move? What are you doing? $2 billion of commercial real estate across the country. What are we doing Tom? Well, the first thing that we do
Starting point is 00:20:09 is because all commercial real estate is levered is even though we're in a COVID pandemic, we gotta go to New York and we gotta refinance that, because at least. Okay, so number one move is refinance the debt. So what's next? Yeah, so now you gotta, and by the way, if we've got that kind of number,
Starting point is 00:20:24 we got two guys that report to Jamie Dimon, CNS with that kind of, you know, sure. Yeah. That's a big number. So first of all, we got our refinance to debt. And the next thing we got to take a look around on is, how do we make this usable? What do you do with it? What do you do with that? You know, you got like old mall space. I think you could do Amazon delivery centers, pick up centers. There's a lot of things interesting. It's kind of scary. It's a scary place to be. Well, you, you originated this conversation with what's going to have, I mean, just think
Starting point is 00:20:54 from a macro perspective, or more people are going to be working from home or going back less or more, working from home long term, long term, two, three, five years from now, or more people going to be working from home versus term, long term, two, three, five years from now or more people going to be working from home versus where they were in 2019. Well, obviously the answer is for sure they're going to be working from home more. Here's one thing for sure that cannot be happening if you're working from home. If they do shut down with schools and kids are staying home, there's no way in the world that's going to be working from home.
Starting point is 00:21:19 It's just not going to work out. If they're not having kids go home, I'm talking two, three years from now, there's a vaccine. Kids are back in school. No, I think. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think you think, but not as much as they were in 2019. No question about, so meaning this commercial office space, the game is changed. If there was 90% occupancy, now it'll be 70, 60, the game is changed. 50, but the question becomes, it's not going gonna go more. Is it the end of the world for that business model? No, but he said they had to be reversed, right? Look what he said yesterday, we're talking about,
Starting point is 00:21:50 we're talking about, he said New York Times and Wall Street Journal did it best, right? He'll get into it here in a minute. He said he did it best. He talked about what? You wanna talk about it now? We wanna roll over now? I said we'll get right into it.
Starting point is 00:22:03 All with it. It's a perfect time to get into it. you come from the Amazon Disruptor to the digital media Disruptor. Go for it. Break it down. Well, I think it was really interesting. If you take a look at digital media right now, we are in the middle of a massive, massive shift.
Starting point is 00:22:16 We all know direct TV dish and traditional cable taking it in the chops. And some of the old traditional cable now are just, you know, shifting to trying to get that $90 number for the 100, for the 100 speed for your home internet. And now you're going over the top and, you know, Disney plus Hulu, Disney, right? And ESPN plus, that's a powerful, powerful package. And they suck the air out of the room and they, and they took the rights, the Netflix didn't have rights to all that huge catalog. And so I really think that what we're looking at here is everything's going behind a paywall
Starting point is 00:22:53 and maybe a little tiny paywall, like $1.99 a month for to get your favorite two columns in ESPN, but there's going to be a bunch of micro payments and it's going behind the paywall. And look, the new year, what a pay of micro payments and it's going behind the paywall. And look, the New York, what a paywall is because what does it mean behind the paywall? Give us a point. Like when the New York Times says you can, it's like you click on a New York Times article, I mean, you go to MSNBC Yahoo news, AOL news, it doesn't matter where. And you'll notice that after about 15 stories for the month, all of a sudden, it says,
Starting point is 00:23:20 hey, you've seen your 15 stories from the New York Times. It is the Zincs that are the same thing. That's exactly right. And now, from here on out, if you'd like to pay $1.99 a month, you can get all the general stories. That's called a paywall. And the major, major newspapers, the New York Times has done it phenomenally best. No one's even close.
Starting point is 00:23:39 The one that's done it phenomenally worst is the LA Times. They're suffering. They've, you take a look what's happening with the layoffs, they're the financial condition to the LA times. It's a grand newspaper just in the hole. And so you also take a look at what, you know, a long time ago, a Rupert Murdoch said, I don't care. I believe I've got the best business writers and the best business content.
Starting point is 00:24:02 You're paying for the Wall Street Journal. Now he left it comparable subscription rate. So they went at 30 bucks a month. Now you look around and I think all the media is going behind a paywall. ESPN just did it to close look what's happening at ESPN. You're only going to get a few sports stories. Are they going to write the right direction? I think they have to. They don't have a choice after letting go of all these people. That's correct. The ad model doesn't work if you want high quality people, Stephen A. And you want high quality people that are pulling audience that really have a perspective and point of view and you want to watch them. It's going to be really tough. I think it's going to be behind a variety of paywalls. But I think it's not going to be crazy. I think
Starting point is 00:24:41 it's going to be look, you want to pay $1.99 a month, $25 bucks a year, and you can get all your surface stories on ESPN. And then you can go to ESPN plus and get everything else. ESPN, the mag blew up. Remember the big mag was really good. It was just phenomenal. I thought it was great journalism. I thought it was a great format, but they can't afford to do it. And so I think digital media, what do you think is going to happen with Netflix? How's Netflix doing right now? Give us a rundown. Take a look. I mean, Netflix has had a pop back, but take a look to things happen to Netflix this year.
Starting point is 00:25:14 First, it was America's realization, hey, what happened to all the, what happened to all the Disney movies? Remember that everybody had the countdown, the countdown to where all those movies go off Disney. Then the second thing happened, and I don't think they expected it. Remember that series they did? The cuties with like the young kids. Of course we covered that, yeah, of course. It was huge, and they had a lot of people hit them hard on the subscription side. They had been kids that actually showed the data that you see data. I didn't see the data that these are the ones that did, but Netflix came out and you
Starting point is 00:25:49 can see they had a horrible quarter and they came out and said, yeah, you know, well, why did they cancel? Well, there's a lot of reasons. Listen, I got to go. But you think it was because of the cuties thing. Well, I think it was, it was that. I think it was a perfect storm of things that they put out a highly controversial series that lit up a lot of people and triggered a lot of people in the wrong way. And people were realizing,
Starting point is 00:26:08 like at my household, hey, all the Disney movies you'll be here, Hulu, Disney Plus, Plus a Gideos, PN, hey, interesting. Why do I need more than this? Because I'm not in HBO Showtime household. I get younger kids. But I'm now a Hulu Disney Plus household. And so do you believe Netflix, if you had, if you were financial advisor, you're working on Morgan Merrill Goldman Sachs. And I come up to you, I got $100 million, I tell you, I'm thinking about putting some of this in Netflix.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Would you be excited about it, Mason, in Netflix today? Not right now, it's hard to fill. Everybody's saying it's hard to film. The physical, in other words, not the fully animated stuff where they do actors one on one on green screens and it's the full Marvel movie and half of it's done by, you know, a thousand fantastic animators and CGI guys and Gels. How do you do Game of Thrones? You know, what COVID? You can't have all those people on set. You can't do those things like that. High production value, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:07 well, I'm saying human filming versus CGI. Netflix is saying, I'm gonna spend two billion on programming. Really, where are you filming? How are you getting 70 people with mask all together? Let me ask you, not to interject, because I love where you're going with this. A lot of these companies, they gotta take a long-term view. Like Netflix isn't just thinking three to six months,
Starting point is 00:27:24 meaning they're thinking 22, 2022, 2025 down the road. All right. So 2020's been a wash, obviously, COVID. They're saying that, you know, the majority of Americans could receive this vaccine by mid 2021. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, there's some positive numbers.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Okay. By the way, that Lucius, actually, are you going to a question here? No, yeah. So here's my question. So, all right, clearly,us, actually, are you going to a question here? No, yes. So here's my question. So, all right, clearly there's not, you know, new content being filmed right now or not as much as before, but, you know, what about the long-term strategy? I guess it's just my question here. From a short-term strategy, clearly, COVID's in the way, but Netflix isn't just thinking,
Starting point is 00:27:59 you know, like Pat always says, what's your next five moves? Move one is, all right, let's get through frickin' 2020. Let's get to 2021. But you know, they're thinking 2022, 2023, 2023, 2025 down the road. I mean, that has to be a perspective from from these companies, right? I mean, so I'm just, you're saying they can't film new content. So I'm just more asking you, there's got to be a long term strategy. That's the more short term strategy, right? Oh, yeah, I completely agree. He was asking me if somebody came me with a hundred million dollars right now. Would you give it to Netflix? I'd say no. I got to let a long term strategy. That's the more short term strategy, right? Oh, yeah. I completely agree. He was asked me if somebody came me with $100 million right now. Would you give it in Netflix? I'd say no. I got to let you shake out a little
Starting point is 00:28:30 bit. Do I trust you? You would wait. I would wait a little bit. I would wait not a year, but I'm not a year. No, okay. I like to hear. I want to see read hastings come forward with the same vision and boldness. Remember, he was a guy that came out and after they were mailed to you, so I'm going to do a subscription. People got pissed off. Remember, there was the original, you know, Netflix subscription war with the consumers. They lost people. They came back. You know, I'm a believer in Reed Hastings, your entrepreneur. I'm believe that he's a problem.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Do you read about no rules rules? I've not read that. Fundamental book. So I believe in him, but he's got a lot of stuff going on. He lost, he lost the massive library in Disney and Hulu of Suck the Era of the 100 million subscriptions right now. I'm just a solid number. And by the way, I just subscribe to this time. I just subscribe to Disney Plus the other day, purely accidental.
Starting point is 00:29:19 The kids wanted to watch a show. I went on Apple TV wasn't. I'm like, where is this thing? And then they said, it's only on Disney Plus. I said, I got to go buy Disney Disney Plus. Now they're, now they watch Disney Plus more than when they watch Netflix. And by the way, here's what, what Lucia Maldonado just said. I call to request to be removed, meaning QDs. I called to request to be removed. I was told they won't and just restricted from my account. I didn't cancel because my kids watch the shows
Starting point is 00:29:45 they're all the time. So meaning a lot of people feel that way. You call, I don't like it, take it down. If you don't take it down, cuties, I'm gonna delete it, no problem. And then you go where you say, I'm not gonna take it down because my kids watch so much Netflix.
Starting point is 00:29:59 So, you know, they also have Netflix as colonies. People's bluff. Yeah, I don't think people are canceling the way. It's like Nike when they say, what are you doing with Colin Kaepernick? Okay, you don't like it, don't buy Nike. Next thing, you know, the stock goes up the next day, you know. There's a different story.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Some of these advertisements are not always a hitting a home run. It didn't work out for Pepsi. I don't know if you remember that one commercial Pepsi did. With Kendall Jenner. Yes, with Kendall Jenner that completely backfired, but it worked for some of them. Did you give a Coke to like a cop or something? Yes, you give a Coke to a cop and it was,
Starting point is 00:30:26 didn't work out too well for her. But that's how our sister got out here. So you're a Disney plus guy now is what you're saying? I'm not a Disney plus guy. I'm an Amazon guy because of one movie. I got Amazon for one movie. What movie is that? It was by Shilobov's story.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Oh, you're a big Shilobov guy. I'm a big Shilobov guy. Honey boy. Honey boy. Okay, I got Netflix because of House of Cards. Yeah. And I got Disney because of Percy Jackson. Okay, I got Disney.
Starting point is 00:30:51 So do you remember why you got Netflix? Do you remember yourself why you got Netflix or why you got any of these? Or no? Yeah, it was a specific show. Well, it wasn't a specific show. My wife and I watched House of Cards, you know. Game of Thrones. No, we didn't watch Game of Thrones, but wife and I watched House of Cards, you know. Game of Thrones.
Starting point is 00:31:05 No, we didn't watch Game of Thrones, my wife and I watched House of Cards after the kids were in bed, but then they had all the, they had the kids' libraries. And so you could go back and get a really broad kids' library. Tom, what was this? Tell me what this was. Don't you remember Game of Thrones? No, no, no, House of Cards?
Starting point is 00:31:20 He always did that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, got it. Wow. I'm a big, uh, I'm a big, uh, I'm a big, uh, I'm a big, uh, I'm a big, uh, yeah. Okay. Got it. I'm a big. I'm a big. Kevin Spacey when he was your big baby guy. I'm hanging on to Quibi. That's Kevin Spacey. He was president in the movie and whenever he was done making a point, he would bang the ring like that. That's a good point. Kevin Spacey
Starting point is 00:31:35 thinks it worked out really well for him since House of Cars. I'm proud to see where he's banging his ring on a table. And now he's banging some dude in the bar. Oh, my gosh. Pretty good for him. He doesn't mind it. But I accidentally set that one up and he just swung hard. No, no, you gave it to him. And you swung hard to share.
Starting point is 00:31:51 I mean, let me get another ring. Not. Let me get one more. Let me get one more. There you go, Tom. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh Oh, in the UK. Oh my goodness. Do you want to tell us what's going on in the UK? I don't know. This is a pretty crazy story.
Starting point is 00:32:07 This is a real story and a crazy story. This is not, this is, this is, I think this is going to offend some people. Well, it's going to offend some people, but I think it's going to, I don't think we are going to offend people. I think they're going to be shocked and offended by the other story. Yeah. Do you want to pull up the story, Kai, if you have it on the internet? If you don't have it, time won't you just tell us what's going on?
Starting point is 00:32:24 So there's a lot of cultures that are in London. There's been a lot of immigration. It's a very diverse city, a lot of people there. And there's a thriving Muslim community there. And in Muslim culture, it's very important that you marry a Muslim woman, preferably not someone that's converted, preferably from a family or a origination, and that she be a virgin. And they live in London. And London is a diverse, and it's seen as a Western city. Yeah. And so you have a lot of Muslim families that are saying, Hey, this is a diverse Western city.
Starting point is 00:32:59 How do we know that that Muslim woman you want marry, coming from a good Muslim family. How do we know she's a virgin? You know, this is important to us. This is you, you have to make your, your faith vows and everything. This is really important. And so there's organization there that is offering virginity tests. And um, Controversial virginity tests sold by UK. Yeah. And um,
Starting point is 00:33:25 controversial virginity test sold by UK. Yeah, and here it is, BBC news and everything. And W. Women are being offered controversial virginity tests at British medical clinics as an investigation on my BBC newsbeat and a hundred women has found the intrusive test are considered violation of human rights by the World Health Organization, United Nations, which want to see them ban critics say that they are unscientific, cannot be proven, whether someone is a virgin,
Starting point is 00:33:47 and cannot, can be a form of abuse, to test, involve a vaginal examination, to check a human hymenis intact, the BBC investigation found a member of private clinics and the advertising virginity repair, which when contacted, then also offered the so-called virginity test for between 100 feet, wait, virginity repair?
Starting point is 00:34:07 This kind of takes me back to what, again, I was about to say TI and his picture's down there. When TI had his daughter and he says, you know, I have my daughter tested every year to see if she's a virgin or not. Do you remember that story or no? That's right there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Last year, US rapper TI sparked outrage after revealing. He takes his daughter for a test every year to check her high maintenance still intact. All said they would carry out highman repair surgery, which costs in the region of 1500 to 3000 pounds data from NHS Inc. It's shown 16 highman repair procedures have been carried out. What? Wait, wait, what?
Starting point is 00:34:41 Am I reading this? Is it saying you pay 1500 to $3,000? Pound. To make it seem like the person's a virgin, do. Right, so this is akin to, first of all, it's horrible. What if some, forget your faith, tradition. What if some poor Muslim girl is misdiagnosed by the doctor?
Starting point is 00:35:03 And she wants to get married to this guy. Now the family won't have her. No, she meets a nice Muslim. And she wants to get married to this guy, and now the family won't have her. No, she meets a nice Muslim guy, they want to get married. They said, no, no, no, we want to make sure that she's been living in London, we're living in Western society, we want to make sure that you haven't done anything. You know, that's in their culture.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Yeah. And then the doctor tells, well, no, no, no, no, she's not. That poor woman is now ostracized in her culture. That's bad. I know that because that's how it is in Iran. So I feel bad for that girl. How was it? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:31 Oh, I mean, if so, you know, culturally, the husband and wife would go in the room and the sheets would come out and show blood. And hey, that's a ritual that's not in, you would say, you know, she's a virgin and they're cheering for the blood That's that's the sheet you show the sheets with blood is it's this is on the wedding night or this is this is a ritual That's some time the wedding night or whatever I don't know the details of what like what timing of it That's some of these are telling you wedding Right to say this is going on in I had a very emotional abusive relationship. My parents who wanted to have an arranged marriage,
Starting point is 00:36:07 she says, one day an elderly in community saw me out of my friends and said to my mom, that one of the boys was my boyfriend. There was lots of rumors in the community about it. She was then threatened with the virginity test by her parents. My parents and the family of the man, they wanted me to marry.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Said I had to do virginity test to prove that I was still a virgin so the marriage could go ahead. I was scared and didn't really understand what it meant. I felt running away was my only option. So that's what I did. Priya, Manto and Manages, the helpline for karma, Nirvana. We had received calls from girls who are concerned about this. It might be that they are worried their families have found out perhaps they've been in a relationship or they're not a virgin. It might be a family or a pressure on them to go through. Listen, by the way, this sounds radical. It's very common where I came from.
Starting point is 00:36:50 This sounds radical, but it's very common where I came from. So the question becomes if you're watching this, how crazy is this? A world health organization saying is what? This is absolutely ludicrous. What are your thoughts? I mean, this, look, being from Miami South Beach, I'm used to this. I mean, if you're a virgin, this is what? This is absolutely ludicrous. What are your thoughts? Well, I mean, this, look, being from Miami South Beach, I'm used to this. I mean, we, I mean, if you're a virgin, this is what, you know, this is how we do it at a South Beach.
Starting point is 00:37:11 It's like, there's versions galore in South Beach, all the, the models down there. That's, we're looking for this is why nobody gets married because there's no, there's no freaking virgins down there. I know there's, there's a lot of weird stuff going on here. I don't know. We went there, Tom. Just a lot of weird stuff going on here. I don't know. We went there, Tom. Just a lot of weird stuff going on here. I've got so many questions here. I know that in the Muslim religion, and I'm not complaining any issue, I'm just this comes
Starting point is 00:37:36 to mind that when a suicide bomber, they blow themselves up, why do they do it because they're going to go to heaven and they're going to get 72 virgins. I've always had a question about that. So a lot of frickin virgins. So how long you're in heaven? Eternity? Yeah. Okay, let me get a pencil calculator.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Eternity? No. 72. You're going to run out of virgins. I mean, there's a lot of virgins out there. I'm just thinking. Eternity is a long time. Maybe you cut a deal.
Starting point is 00:38:02 You get up there. Every time they lose their virginity, they do that procedure. Maybe they're doing something like that. Well, that's the other part. See, the other part is, you know, is there are, I think, companies in here, I think with the WHO's point now, that there's companies in here that are exploiting people. Like, virginity repair, isn't that like paying a bad mechanic to roll the odometer back on your car? Yes.
Starting point is 00:38:22 It's a fascinating case. It's 20 years ago. That. It's a sign of this. Yes. 20 years ago, that was actually a thing that you did. Yeah, they don't want low miles. They want no miles. Yeah. But the point is, even go, forget about the ritual part. I respect rituals of families.
Starting point is 00:38:35 You know, it's your ritual. It is what it is now. I don't have to follow the rituals that you follow. I'm just telling you, but I respect the fact that certain religions have certain religions. You're Jewish, Christian, Christian, some are atheist, some are, you know, Mormons, Jehovah, there's a lot of different rituals that's out there. And they're not the same. To someone, a Jewish ritual, maybe some random stuff to do, like, are you kidding me?
Starting point is 00:38:56 You really have to go, yes, you do. But then there is rituals that cause people to be rebellious. I mean, you are pretty much forcing me to be rebellious. I mean, you are pretty much forcing me to be rebellious here. You know, they used to say when middle eastern kids and girls who were suppressed in Iran and Armenia, they come to the States and they gain their freedom, game over.
Starting point is 00:39:19 You can't tell me what to do. I'm gonna go and have my fun, dad. You don't like it, guess what? I'm gonna have five boyfriendsfriends. This is what I'm going to be doing. It's a form of a rebellious. That's right. Okay. Um, the Catholic school girl thing. You told me what to do my whole life and then you end up moving to South Beach and then you're free. Boom. You meet Adam and the next thing, you know, it's all changing. It's it's changing. So, and it was I don't know how we want to the story, Tom, but I do think it's crazy. And it's going on in UK. That is the pressure of what happens
Starting point is 00:39:45 when a community says, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and then eventually like, wait a minute, what the hell are we saying yes to? That's what's happening in UK right now. This is brought in, brought on to them by the folks who voted for their politicians, who eventually pushed the envelope to this point where they're saying this is what we're doing next.
Starting point is 00:40:02 And now they want it to be reverted back. It's too late. You already accepted it. Momentum's on their side. Anyways, okay. You wrote this down right here and that's exactly what I was thinking. I don't know how old his daughter is. I'm not speculating, but that's exactly.
Starting point is 00:40:15 She's like, you're gonna check me every year in my life, in my virginity. At some point, she's been like, that, like I'm freaking out over here. So. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a little too much when you do that. You know how you go into appointments. I used to always run into appointments and a guy would sit there.
Starting point is 00:40:30 And I'm in the middle of an appointment. We're making a sale. And the guy would have to pick up the call every time his wife called. I'm like, dude, what the, we're in the middle. And we're not, Pat, you don't understand. I have to pick up the call. What do you mean you have to pick up the call? Just telling you, we have an arrangement.
Starting point is 00:40:42 What kind of an arrangement is this? Whenever she calls, I have to pick up. Every time. Every single time. You have to pick up. So for sure. So he was like, hey, I'm over here. Hey Patrick, can you say hi to Mary?
Starting point is 00:40:53 I'm like, hey, hey, hey Mary. Okay, okay, bye. Bye. I'm like, what? Get a life bro. So then we go on another. I have a friend like that. Yeah, we'd be driving.
Starting point is 00:41:04 I was like, okay, bro, so we're going with a, so I don't know how much I was going. Okay, Yeah, life, bro. So then we'd go on another, I have a friend like that. Yeah, we'd be driving and I was like, okay, bro, it's like, we're going with a, so I don't know what to tell him, I was like, okay, stop, wait. Hey, Patrick, can you say hi? Like, what the hell? And then he finally told me, he says, well, one time, she lost trust because she saw something on my phone.
Starting point is 00:41:17 I have to do this for the rest of my life. Jesus Christ. You can't do that for a long term. You cannot do it. It's not, it's not a sustainable, it's not a sustainable model. You're eventually gonna piss off off and the guys are going to be like, you know what's screw you? I'm not picking up your calls. It's not a sustainable model. Or one is conforming. Anyways, how about we talk about Iran Tom? Are you okay if we go into Iran? Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Okay, let's talk about Iran. I don't want to offend you because you know, I want to make sure you're happy about us going into the Iran topic. All right, let's talk about Iran. We're always talking about going there do you remember? We will still go there. I think we are. We will still go there. And Adam's going to go with us. What's the over under on when you would actually go to Iran? What's the over under you need an administration like Trump for at least eight years for me to be able to go to Iran. You know why? Why? You want to really talk about it from that angle? Okay, let's talk about it before we get into the topic. Sure. In order for me to be able to go to Iran. You know why? You want to really talk about it from that angle? Of course.
Starting point is 00:42:06 Okay, let's talk about it before we get into the topic. In order for me to be able to go back to Iran, there needs to be a revolution in Iran. Okay. So in order for there to be a revolution. You're not going in less as a revolution. There has to be a revolution. Because there has to be a different way of living,
Starting point is 00:42:18 democracy, women have to have the freedom that they once had, and tourism needs to be at word needs to be and today with the sanctions financial it's not a good situation right now to go to Iran. So on by the way, we're very close to get to that point. Of a revolution. But it's not gonna happen because Biden got elected and I'll explain to you why.
Starting point is 00:42:37 So Iran's top nuclear scientist was assassinated by remote control machine gun place in the back of another car the country's media says. the Iranian defense ministry has given Few details of the killing but has pointed the fingers at Israel New information about the attack was reported Sunday. However the farce saying Fakhrizadeh Stopped and left his car after mistaking several bullets that had just hit his vehicle for engine trouble at this point far
Starting point is 00:43:02 Said Nissan pickup truck stopped 150 meters or about 492 feet from Fakhrizade and a gun mounted on the back of the truck upon open fire hitting him twice in the back and once in the spine, three security cars had been traveling with Fakhrizade and a bodyguard who launched himself over the scientist's body, who was also shot first reported. According to Farrs after the hit on Factress Adé, was complete.
Starting point is 00:43:27 The Nissan truck exploded. The entire attack lasted three minutes to the news agency reported. So what's really going on over here? What's really going on here? I'll tell you one thing. Here's what you have to realize. I kind of give you a little bit of it.
Starting point is 00:43:38 And then I'll go into which, with some of the thoughts you guys may have. Number one, what has happened the last 12 months to Iran? What's happened last 12 months to Iran? A lot has happened over the last 12 months to Iran. In the last 12 months, Iran lost their number two in power, cause them a solid money, which by the way, he was a potential candidate to be the leader of Iran.
Starting point is 00:44:00 He died, okay, about a year ago. And remember how that happened and when it happened. And you remember how Iran retaliated. They hit a military base with nobody being at the base just to show that they're people that we retaliated, but nothing took place. Then you have Fast 4 would quietly on August 7th of this year, I believe, August 7th of this year. They went and took out the number two guy of al-Qaeda is what they
Starting point is 00:44:27 did this year. All, if you want to pull up the pictures, everybody knows who they took out this year. August seventh of this year, they took out al-Abu Muhammad al-Masri al-Ali, Abu Muhammad al-Masri. Now, some of you who don't know who he is, let me kind of give you the background of how powerful the guy he is. He's the number two guy in al-Mazri. Now some of you who don't know who he is, let me kind of give you the background of how powerful the guy, he's he's the number two guy in al-Qaeda. He was walking in the streets of Iran with his daughter who's married to Osama bin Laden's son. They killed both of them. They killed him who's the and his daughter while I'm going to get to who killed him. Okay, because you're
Starting point is 00:44:58 connected to them. Who killed them, right? So he ends up getting killed August 7, 1998. Now what is special, August 7, 2020? We're talking four months ago. What is so special about August 7, 2020? Exactly 22 years ago, August 7, 1998, what happened in Africa embassy? There was a bomb in at Africa embassy and 220 people were killed at the US Embassy to US embassies
Starting point is 00:45:27 Do you know who led that project this man right here? On the same exact day 22 years ago that he did Not a coincidence 22 years later They kill him and his daughter in the streets of Iran and guess what Iran says when they kill him nothing You know why they said nothing? You didn't hear about it. Didn't talk about it in the news. They didn't advertise it. They were embarrassed and they didn't want to even report that we're going to retaliate because he's part of what? Al-Qaeda. They can't come out there and say, hey, we can't believe you took out the number two guy in Al-Qaeda, his daughter's married to
Starting point is 00:46:00 who? Or some of them ladders son. Okay. So you have Rasam ala Salimani, then you have Abu Muhammad over here that gets killed and then comes who? And then comes Fakhli Zadeh, who is the number one scientist in Iran. Now who is Fakhli Zadeh? Nuclear scientist in Iran. Who is he? Okay. You have to go back years ago, there was a project called Kaif, you want to put a polar
Starting point is 00:46:24 project, Ahmad. Project Ahmad, Ahmad project was one of the first projects they came to go back years ago, there was a project called Kaif, you want to put a pull up project the Amad project Amad. Amad project was one of the first projects they came out with, Reversity Ryan Scientific, Scientific Project started in 1989, stopped in 03 by the IAA that is suspected by Israel to have nonetheless continued with the aim of developing nuclear weapons. Who led this? Who was the leader of this project? Fakhrizadeh. Okay, then there's the project, go to the next one, then go to the next one.
Starting point is 00:46:50 The next project was called SPND, the Iranian Defense Ministry known as SPMD, which was also an organization to go out and build a nuclear plant in Iran by the same scientist led by who? Fakhrizadeh, okay? So now go to a talk that Benjamin Netanyahu gave in 2018. I wanna say in April, you have that video,
Starting point is 00:47:12 I send it to you, Kai, if you can prepare that video right there. This is a talk he gave April of 2018, okay? And he's given the message about what's going on with Iran. Now watch what he says about Fakhir Zadeh. Just press play. Turn on the audio. Yeah, you'll see what he says here when he says remember the name. Key word. Two and a half years ago Netanyahu says remember the name. Go ahead and press.
Starting point is 00:47:37 When the new director of Iran's Ministry of Defense, the work would be split. Watch this. Into two parts. Covert and overt. The work would be split watch this into two parts covert and overt a Key part of the plan was to form new organizations to continue the work This is how Dr. Mouxin Fox said had a project about put it remember that name remember that name So here's his director right here and he says The general name is to announce the closure of project Ahmad, but then he adds Special activities. You know what that is special activities will be carried out under the closure of Project Ahmad, but then he adds, special activities, you know what that is,
Starting point is 00:48:06 special activities will be carried out under the title of Scientific Know-How Developments. And in fact, this is exactly what Iran proceeded to do. You continue this work in a series of organizations over the years. And today in 2010, the 2018, this work is carried out by Sapan. That's an organization inside Iran's defense ministry. And you will not be surprised to hear that Sapan is led by the same person who led Project
Starting point is 00:48:34 Ahmad, Dr. Fahdi Zadeh, and also, not coincidentally, many of Sapan's key personnel worked on the Fahdi Zadeh on Project Ahmad. Pause it. So there's a atomic... Pause it right there. Okay, so watch this here. So you got, Kasim Soleimani,
Starting point is 00:48:49 you got Abu Muhammad, who was a number two guy at Al Qaeda, you got Kasim Soleimani, who was a number two guy in Iran, and you got Fakhir Zadi, who was the number one nuclear scientist in Iran, okay. Who was leading America during that time? Who was a president?
Starting point is 00:49:03 Trump. Who is the prime minister of Israel? Netanyahu. Benjamin Netanyahu. Okay. So where does this go to next? Where does this go to next? Well, if you watch this, go to the tweet of John Brennan. Go to the tweet of John Brennan. Look what he says. Here's what Brennan says. And for folks who don't know who John Brennan is, John Brennan is not a Trump guy. John Brennan is a Obama and a Biden guy. He said on November 27th. He's a national security animal.
Starting point is 00:49:27 For Obama. Yeah. But he's also on. He's not a Trump camp. He's really not a Trump guy. He's actually a Trump hater, but he's a high up in the. He is on the Biden and Biden and Obama side. November 27th, he tweets, a associate press comes out saying that you're on the scientist
Starting point is 00:49:42 that Israel led you that the Islamic Republic military nuclear program before it was in Spain and has been killed in a shoot out Iran state television set. He says, this was a criminal act and highly reckless. It risks lethal retaliation and a new round of regional conflict. Iranian leaders would be wise to wait for the return of responsible American leadership. Who's he talking about? On the global stage and to resist the urge to respond against perceived culprits.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Let me read that one more time. This is what you call sign language, okay? This is a message saying, Chamanay, we understand you're upset right now. Please read my tweet. I can contact you right now because it's gonna come out. I'm telling you read my tweet. Iranian leaders would be wise to wait
Starting point is 00:50:25 for the return of responsible American leadership on the global stage. Hence, Biden to replace Trump and to resist the urge to respond against perceived culprits. So wait for what? Does this mean Biden's going to give him that $150 billion deal that they had before? Does this mean Biden's going to give it our money that he's going to remove the sanctions? Just be patient. We know you lost your number one nuclear scientist. We're sorry, be patient. And does this mean that John Brennan is not supportive of Benjamin Netanyahu that this
Starting point is 00:50:56 is a criminal act and highly reckless because in the streets of politics between Iran and Israel, people knew who was behind this. And they're comfortable saying it that who was behind this. And that is Netanyahu. That is an open conversation that people are having. No one's surprised by this. So what does this mean?
Starting point is 00:51:14 What does this mean? Here's how I process this. I foresee, I foresee nothing taken place over the next few weeks. I foresee Iran getting the money that they want. When mine comes in, I foresee sanctions getting lower and maybe even going away when Biden takes office, I foresee a massive attack from Iran to someone in the Middle East. They may go straight out Israel, but they're going to go to any of the allies that's linked to
Starting point is 00:51:48 Netanyahu, any of the allies that was towards Trump's camp when Trump was here. Nabi, they're not going to slow down. They are going to retaliate. And it's not going to be during this term, the next month or so, but it is going to happen in the next four years. and it will not happen at a time when we're expecting it. So I'm very surprised by John Brennan's tweet, whether you're right or not or whether you're correct or not, whether you're anything you're saying or not, you officially didn't defend Netanyahu and Netanyahu is one of the most important allies us has had for a long time. And the things are about to USS Hat, for a long time.
Starting point is 00:52:25 And the things are about to get very interesting in the Middle East. So having said that, I'm going to turn it over to you. What are your thoughts? Just a couple of questions. Yeah. Clearly understand that the John Brennan is not active in government right now. He's sort of just a talking head, whether he's anti-Trump or pro-Bama or pro-Biden, unless he has a position, he's a been, as Trump likes to say, right? So he's not, this is his opinion. I don't think there's no policy. There's nothing that he's implementing. This is just an old guy's opinion. So I don't think there's any question. I'm not sure if it was Israel that attacked, how do you say his name? Faklizade. Faklizade. I'm not sure if it was Israel that attacked, how do you say his name?
Starting point is 00:53:05 Faklyzade. Faklyzade. I'm not sure if there was them that did it, but I know for a fact, it was Israeli technology. Without it, I mean, there was a remote controlled machine gun that shot up the car, then the guy got out. He thought it was a, they hit a bump or something. They got out, sprayed them down,
Starting point is 00:53:23 the bodyguard tried to jump, he got shot. The car blew up two minutes later, boom, like that's Israeli technology for sure. Now I'm not sure who got into Iran, if it was Mossad, the Israeli like CIA who did it, but this is clearly an Israeli technology type of move. Why do you say that? To me, it sounds like the last episode of Breaking Bad. There you go. You remember that? To me, it sounds like the last episode of Breaking Bad. There you go. You kind of look like a little Walter White. A remote control machine gun.
Starting point is 00:53:50 You kind of look at Walter White. You don't remember that? Looking at him right now. I'm wondering that. What do you wonder, though? Your wonder in, is what? You wonder in, was it led by Israel to do some like that? Or you're saying it was done by...
Starting point is 00:54:05 Somebody in Israel, it's got Netflix. And so they're watching this and they come to the end. They get there and they go, hey guys. That's a brilliant processing there, Tom. I'm not sure if it's art imitating life or life imitating art or whatever it is, but I think we can all agree that Israeli technology is ridiculous when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:54:26 You have a good point. I think the biggest point here is what's going to happen with that $150 billion, entering the RRN nuclear deal, Trump got out of that as soon as he came into office. You know how big it is to take out a country's number two guy. So I'm not saying. You know how big it is to take out the number two to al-Qaeda? And do you know how big it is to take out the number two to al-Qaeda. And do you know how big it is to take out the number one nuclear scientist? I don't think you realize like go to a sports team and take out the number one guy. What happens? Take
Starting point is 00:54:54 out go to a sports team and take out the number two guy. What happens? Go to a company and take out and see what happens. Go to go to the Denver Broncos and take out their top three quarterbacks and see what happens. It's not like every single day. It's not like every single day. You can find a, let me go put a job posting on monster. Yeah, looking for top nuclear scientists. You know what I mean? You know, all the different just hiring for nuclear science.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Anybody got experience in being a nuclear scientist? Yeah, it doesn't happen every day. They lost someone legit that they needed to do what they wanted to do. Well, this is what, I mean, it's no secret why they blame Israel. This is what Israel does. They say, look, we're not going to fight a real war. We're going to be very tactful and tactical. And we're going to take out your top people. I mean, this is why the US and Israel are so tight. This is what they're doing, you know, all day, every day, um, Planning these types of attacks why go to war when you can just take out one guy take out the leader take out the general Take out the top nuclear scientist
Starting point is 00:55:52 But they're If you watching this if you're watching this if you're saying pat There's no way in the world the Iran is gonna retaliate in the next you know 12 months 24 months. There's no way they's going to retaliate. In the next, you know, 12 months, 24 months, there's no way they're going to retaliate. Put thumbs down, they're not going to retaliate. If you think they're going to retaliate, push thumbs up. If you think they are going to retaliate,
Starting point is 00:56:16 push thumbs up in the next 12, 24 months under a Biden administration. I'm actually really curious what you think's going to be taking place. Tom, do you have any other strong opinions on this? Yeah, I think so if I was running an arm of the CIA, what I'd be doing right now, honestly, is I'd be modeling the response and how I'd model response. I'd look at all these important dates, anniversary dates, because in the Middle East, when you have these hits and things
Starting point is 00:56:42 and retaliations, they're usually done very symbolically. And they pick a symbolic date or symbolic location. And I'd be trying to kind of model this because Iran is going to respond. They're going to respond in some way somehow. And over there, you know, I don't know if I was like the number five nuclear scientists, they say, hey, now you're the number two. And I said, yeah, well, don't put that in the paper, please. Because as soon as I get a low number,
Starting point is 00:57:06 bad things happen, I don't want a low number. No, no, I'm number 16. I'm an idiot, man. You know, on the number 16 nuclear scientists here, please get that straight. I was, you know, no, no, no, you went like, you know, you were educating the United States. Make sense. Tom was a number six guy, a jam bet when they sold it for $680 million. He got the check. But was a number six guy jammed at when they sold it for $680 million. He got the check when he was number six. But the point I'm getting to is I'm being serious. I believe Iran is going to respond and they're going to, they're going to get together. It's going to be very symbolic and it's going to be very, you know, forceful and, you know, unfortunately, you know, you get a lot of
Starting point is 00:57:41 civilians and people are probably going to get hurt. And that's, it's a world in which we live. The Middle East is a tough place. It's got a lot of fuses over there and a lot of people that get easily triggered for a hundred years. It's been this way. And so one thing we have to respect in the United States is how much we don't understand. And how much I appreciate your analysis, you just took us to a pat. You walked through all the steps.
Starting point is 00:58:05 I think Americans need to do that and kind of understand. And you know, we can loop all this back to the virginity test in London, where there's a culture over there that has a certain set of beliefs, but they're also living with another culture. And that's what leads to this. And so, you know, one man's misunderstanding is another man's culture. Iran is not, you don't publicly humiliate a community like Iran. You know, you know, how there's a friend, you know, there's like, if I, if I tell a joke at you, how do you take it?
Starting point is 00:58:35 Like, let's just say, if we say stuff stuff by soy boy, what does it do to you? Nothing. People don't realize it doesn't bother you. Like, it doesn't bother you. You see in Soba and Mafia, You even have fun with it. To the point where we call the bunch of people the other day, every time I said Adam, what did everybody say about Adam? They love the guy, right? They love Adam. It wasn't like it was five guys or 10 guys.
Starting point is 00:58:56 It was every phone call loved Adam. Soba and mafia, shout out, right? We're out there. You ever met anybody that if you say one thing to them, they're so sensitive that they will keep it forever. And then they will retell you. You know who I'm talking about?
Starting point is 00:59:10 Just go to a person like that in your life that you publicly humiliated them. They're not going to let go of it. They're extremely wired in a different way. They have ego at the highest level. They're very, they're not as strong as they act out to be. They're actually not strong. They're weak. They're not that strong. But they will retaliate.
Starting point is 00:59:29 This is that kind of a regime that they will retaliate. It's not going away. They're not going to change specifically. Do what? The regime. The regime's not the culture, not the people, but the regime are saying. No, no, no, the people are, dude, are you kidding me?
Starting point is 00:59:39 Like, I'd love to take you to Tehran Iran and we go have a blast together. I'd love to go out there and show you the culture, the history, rich history. Oh, that, it's never about the people. It's about the regime. It's about the philosophies that the regime's running. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens in Iran. So the bottom line is the regime is not going to sit there and take this. They are not going to do it. And they're going to do it during a time where the opposing leader of US is not going to retaliate. Someone like Joe Biden. A person like Joe Biden is not going to say, we're going to, if you don't do this, we're coming
Starting point is 01:00:11 after you. No, person like Joe Biden is going to say the following speech. Well, I just want you to know under the Trump administration, if you allow the number two leader to get killed. That's not so, Le Mans, you think you were doing the right thing. If you allow Abu Muhammad get killed. And then if you allow the number one nuclear scientist, that scientist to get killed. If you do that, you are. This is not an Iran attacks. Gesso Biden is going to blame. Iran, Biden is going to say the attacks that Iran just imposed on to.
Starting point is 01:00:42 Tata, tata, tata. It's a byproduct of the policies brought down by Donald Trump. Remember when I said this, just remember when I said this. Kay, make a note on this and your notes because you're gonna make a note in your phone notes, say podcast 29, Iran nuclear, and put the time right now. It's right about one hour when I said this,
Starting point is 01:01:04 right about one hour when I said this, right about one hour when I said this, they're gonna have to come back and reshoot it and not reshoot it, cut it. And I happened next two to three years, that this is what's gonna be said. You will hear them say it, and I'm gonna show you that I said this. That's what's gonna be said, because they're not gonna sit around. They're gonna retaliate and Biden's out is gonna be what? It's not my fault. It's a pride administration that really pissed them off.
Starting point is 01:01:23 So it's gonna happen next two, three, four years. And bottom line, you think I hope I'm wrong. I hope I am absolutely wrong. As part of this going to be the 150 billion that Iran will potentially receive. Like do you think that's like a prediction time? They need money. You think that they're going to do for that. They're going to get the money back. They're going to get the sanctions cut. Iran's going to go become powerful again in the Middle East. They're not going away because you think they're going to get the money. They're going to get the money very quickly. And you know what they're going to say, they're going to use it award, a very magical word. They're going to say, peace, truth, you know, something like that where it's a powerful word. And we're going
Starting point is 01:02:01 to say, Oh, wow, there's peace in Iran. You know, that's what they're going to use. Who's by that? And we're going to, well, 80 million people are going to buy 80 million people are going to buy that. 80 million people are going to say, what a peaceful, noble thing to do, about 80 million people are buying it. So if you're asking the question, I'll give you specific data online. It's about 80 million people and one sitting at this table here.
Starting point is 01:02:20 But you're saying money or not, Iran is not looking for peace. No way. No way. They're looking for retaliation. They don't just dislike Israel. They hate. We know that. Israel. That's not even us. And the difference between Netanyahu. Here's the other thing with Netanyahu also. Let me give you a netanyahu's side as well. He's not a guy that's sitting around, not ruffling feathers and not talking publicly. That presentation, if you've never seen this, you gotta sit and watch that. It's the most eloquent presentation PowerPoint.
Starting point is 01:02:50 Like you look at that and you say, this guy's probably prepared to give this PowerPoint at least 20 times before he gave it. Netanyahu is also now one that's sitting around afraid of Iran. And again, Israel historically has been known for having what? The strongest air force, historically, they've always been known. Israel has the best air force.
Starting point is 01:03:08 Israel has the best air force. Now you're seeing these kinds of creative attacks. Technology. Technology is at a different level. Well, when you have the US, you know, if US has your back, you can be project toughness. Like we talked about this with Armenia and the question is going to be if they're going to have their back this next time around.
Starting point is 01:03:28 US is going to have Israel's back. Of course. When did they not? US is going to have Israel's back the way they're going to have it like prior four years. I don't know about that. What do you mean four years? I passed 50 years. I don't know about that. I don't. Has it been any different? Are you kidding me? You're saying under Obama, Israel was as tough as they were the last four years? No, no you're saying that the Israel and US relations are very strong. Give me two days to go show you exactly words that was said under Obama administration towards Israel to not really protect them as much as it was before. All you need to do is go spend an hour online, you'll see it realize how Iran, Israel was
Starting point is 01:04:01 during Godbama's administration. Let me get to straight. You're saying US had Israel's back and US agreed to give $150 billion to Iran. But that was part of the nuclear deal. Part of the nuclear testing. So you're giving me money to stop doing nuclear testing. And first of all, how you hold me accountable to that? How you even know from that doing?
Starting point is 01:04:18 You'll grab a whole conversation. But how do you actually do it? Honestly, how do you actually do it? I assume that's what some of the stuff they put in the deal. So I'm going to give you money to tell you, don't create nuclear war. That's brilliant. That's a brilliant, I've never heard of that brilliant strategy before. You don't do it that way.
Starting point is 01:04:30 You do it with measures to say, if you do XYZ, here's the price. There is no price. You don't tell your kids, son, please, hear some money. Just please stop saying bad words to your mommy. You don't do that. Well, you say, I'm sorry, what did you say? No problem. That Xbox, I'm taking a straight
Starting point is 01:04:48 to my office. No Xbox for three weeks. That's how you do it. And then they realize, okay, that is serious. You don't do it and say, here's $100. Guys, please, when you play Xbox, don't raise your voice. What the hell? What, what the hell kind of a negotiation is that? Oh, here's some money. Please don't create a nuclear bomb. I don't think they should have ever given I run any money whatsoever. Here's a country that goes around saying, mad at bat on record, death upon America, you want to give them money. Let me get to straight.
Starting point is 01:05:15 I sit in that curse your mother out and you end up giving me 10 grand. How the hell does that make any sense? Well, I mean, obviously the point was to stop their entire nuclear. So I give you 10 grand. You give me 10 grand to see if I had stopped calling my mom. Would you, would you give me, if I kept saying jokes about your mom, are you gonna say you're 10,000 hours, please stop. Look, I got that. That's what you asked it.
Starting point is 01:05:36 I'm not saying that they, I ran nuclear deals. What I'm going to bet, I'm saying they had a deal in place. You bought. Yeah. Niceness. What the hell do you mean you're buying that? Basically, you're saying no matter what amount of money that you gave I read, they were not going to honor it.
Starting point is 01:05:48 No. So Trump's moved to pull out of the Iran. Dude, they're fabric, the Iranian fabric. Okay, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to say, okay, you want me to give you money? Yes. Perfect. Allow every single social media in your country, all of it. Okay.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Allow every single one of our media in your country. If you'd kill one person public killing that you did, I don't know what the numbers that they had, I think their number is some ridiculous number that they have public assassination that they had last year. The numbers like 50 people that they killed. Don't forget the wrestler, what he rounded. I think China's a leader of 250 something,
Starting point is 01:06:20 but don't forget what he rounded. You do one of those, you lose your money. If we get one time hearing from the top politicians to America that's recorded, you're losing your money. If you don't allow Fox, BBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, any of those guys, any Ron, you lose your money. If you do one more attack on, you lose your money, if I'm gonna put, if you in your textbook in school, if we see in your textbook in schools, you're talking about how shitty of a country America is and how much
Starting point is 01:06:49 we're the enemy, you lose in your money. The great thing. If you want to keep doing that, you lose in our money. That's how you give money. You don't give money and say, please be nice to us. Please. Let's make this work. Can I have you ever been able to buy, say the girl you love the most? Have you ever been able to buy love? No. How much money has been able to buy love? Nothing. Even the guy who died couldn't buy anon the colesmith's love. He know the billionaire that married anon the colesmith and so you ain't buying all of it. She just buying the money is what you can. You cannot buy love. You cannot buy peace. Well, she also had an expiration date apparently. So she used too much drugs.
Starting point is 01:07:26 She couldn't control herself. Exactly. But she had lower back problems, which was attractive to him, which was attractive to him. That's what he liked. You didn't see the scientific side of it. That's called failing in biology. But paying attention to the right areas of life.
Starting point is 01:07:41 Okay. So you bring up another point, say, you know, you take also look at North Korea, right? Do you think, you know, there's a variety of positions are out there, but the South Koreans have been very frustrated by the entire rest and the Japanese, by the entire rest of the West to not permanently de-arm North Korea. And you've got you have another lunatic that gets paid off in foreign aid, but it doesn't stop making weapons. And every now and then is on an anniversary date.
Starting point is 01:08:12 He launches another sub-balistic missile into the ocean. And everybody looks at this. Gosh, he's crazy. Why has he stopped? Well, you've given a bunch of money and he keeps doing research and he keeps doing it. And he promised he wouldn't do it next time. Yeah, this is not going away time. I mean, people have to realize that.
Starting point is 01:08:29 I'm saying this is the method that, yeah, there is a method that believes. There is a political position within the left that believes that a piece meant through aid creates peace. It doesn't. No, zero. No, no, no, zero. Look, you know, what you're talking about is played out in North Korea too. How many wars do we have the last four years? How
Starting point is 01:08:52 many wars do we have the last four years? By a person like, no, how many new wars caused by a Trump? No. What countries did he unite the last four years? A lot of peace deals in the middle of the world. How? How? How did a personality like his do to do that? How many wars during Obama? How many? How many? How many wars did you see? How much wars? How many how many time did you see terrorist attacks?
Starting point is 01:09:18 How many time did you see ISIS? How many times on the news that you hear about ISIS? Every day we walk up ISIS, debate topics ISIS, debate topics ISIS, what ISIS topic did you see in single debate the last four years? What happened? Because the enemy needs to at least respect you and fear you.
Starting point is 01:09:34 What's your capable of? See when I sat with Sammy, I talked to Sammy and I asked him a question, Sammy the book, Gervano, it's a Sammy. There's some people that say, John got it and never killed anybody. He always told people to go kill somebody. He says, don't get it twisted.
Starting point is 01:09:46 John is capable. He says, that's all that matters. And the world that was a part of, I said, what do you mean capable? He says, he's capable of taking your life. So I wouldn't cross them. So you have to realize. And because of that, they didn't.
Starting point is 01:09:59 So the point with politics is they have to know if they push the envelope, you're willing to go to extreme measures. You don't buy peace. That's exactly what they tried to do. By the way, if you watch live PD, there's a sheriff on that show called Sheriff Lamb. Sheriff Lamb is one of the most popular shows for police and the show was canceled. I believe it was the show.
Starting point is 01:10:24 Cancel, eventually the show was canceled, right? I want the show canceled? Eventually the show was canceled, right? I want to call Sheriff Lam to see what he thinks about what's going on right now in what do you call it? In France with this new law that they proposing to see what he has to say. Okay, let me know if you guys are ready. You guys ready? We're good with the call.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Okay. Hello, it's Mark. Mark, how are you? This is Patrick Beddavid with Adam and Tom L's worth. How you doing, Patrick? I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing great, man. I appreciate you taking some time. So I wanted to get your feedback on this.
Starting point is 01:10:55 I don't know if you heard about what happened in France and what announcement they're making. I'll read it to you. Then you tell us your thoughts on this. And if this is possible and if it's good for the people, if it's not good for the people, and can this be something that can have momentum that can lead into US? So here's what France is talking about. Upper Iran France over proposed limits on filming police.
Starting point is 01:11:17 French President Emmanuel Macron, government is pushing a new security bill that makes it illegal to publish images of police officers with intent to cause them harm. Amid other measures, critics feared the new law could hurt press freedoms and make it more difficult for all citizens to report on police brutality. French activists feared that a proposed new security law would deprive them of a potent weapon against abuse. Cell phone videos of police activity, threatening their effort to document possible cases of police brutality, especially in impoverished immigrant neighborhoods.
Starting point is 01:11:53 What are your thoughts about this potential new bill that Macron is trying to push in France? You know, at first, I thought it's a little bit of a violation of the first amendment, but then I started reading into it a little bit further. And you know what, we don't get the protection that we need. It is not fair. A lot of times the media uses the first amendment to go above and beyond what I think it was designed for.
Starting point is 01:12:20 Nobody's impeding their ability to go out and report. All we're saying is, I see what the French are doing. What they're saying is saying, you can't put somebody else's life at risk because you didn't like the actions. And how many times have we seen videos where they don't show you the full context of the video either? Yep. And I think it's unfair to those officers to be blasted out there.
Starting point is 01:12:41 And we've seen our media look at what they've done. They'll put your address out there on social media. They'll put youred out there. And we've seen our media look at what they've done. They'll put your address out there on social media, they'll put your face out there, and that puts our lives and our families at risk as either. So I don't think the first amendment was designed. I don't think the founding fathers have the intentions of putting the very same people who protect you every night at risk because you decided, the media decided they didn't like how you did your job. Now, does that say that we shouldn't, I'm not saying you need to hide the actions of bad officers, absolutely not. This stems from a, this stems because of a violation of the constitution, the French don't have, but this comes, this isn't getting a lot of attention because of that,
Starting point is 01:13:26 would they beat that guy up in the hallway and the recording studio? Do you know what they beat him up over? No. He wasn't wearing a mask. They beat him up because he wasn't wearing a mask and he probably resisted against it. So we're in this weird spot in this world
Starting point is 01:13:44 where we want to violate certain rights of the Constitution, people's freedoms, So we're in this weird spot in this world where, you know, we wanna violate certain rights of the Constitution, people's freedoms, but then the media wants to retain their full rights and even expound on it to where I think the founding fathers didn't have the intention of them being. So you're actually thinking this is not a bad idea on what they're trying to do in France.
Starting point is 01:14:01 Well, I see what they're trying to do. I don't know that you can do it here, and I'm a very staunch supporter of the Constitution. I just think that it is inappropriate. It's no different than if I were to put out the media's addresses on my website. Have you ever heard the same dependence, my dear, than the sword? I will assure you that the media causes more violence in this country with what they write and what they report than what the police do. So we can agree with you on that.
Starting point is 01:14:28 Completely. So I would just agree with you on that. These guys want to continue to incite people and anger people. Why else would you need to know and want to report somebody's address? That's what they're arguing over. They don't like the fact that they can't put these guys on blast for their actions and jeopardize them. Why would you want to do that in the first place? That's not the job of the media.
Starting point is 01:14:49 And it's not appropriate that the media do that anyway. Sheriff Lam, this is Adam here. I have a question for you. Obviously, 2020 has been a insane year. You've been, right. I mean, you've been a police officer sheriff for how many years now total four now going into my second four. Okay. So I just from a macro perspective, what have you seen specifically change? Rules wise, but more importantly, perception, like do people come up to you with the same amount of respect? Do you get a lot of pushback still? Obviously everything's in storage Floyd, BLM, defund the police. Just more of a macro question, like what are you seeing on the ground or do people still
Starting point is 01:15:34 respect you? Are people, you know, proverbially spinning your face, fuck you, pig. Like what are you seeing out there? Since 2020 is a great question. That actually depends on where you live. Here in my county, we have people that are very pro police and what this has done is this has made people appreciate their law enforcement even more. So I think there's a lot of places in this country
Starting point is 01:15:57 where they've always appreciated law enforcement and now they've said, hey, we appreciate you guys even more for what you're doing. There are other cities where the local government has allowed this behavior to continue and this anti-police behavior to continue. And so that's involved in a lot of the people who don't like police to spit in your face and to say these things. And actually, in many cases, I think they're violating the law.
Starting point is 01:16:22 They're either disorderly conduct or they're, I don't think anybody should ever be within a flutter to a law enforcement agent. You know, set up some barricades, move them back, they're right, they have their right to protest under the First Amendment. They don't have the right to stick your phone in a cop's face. I don't think that's appropriate. I think that starts getting into the office. Oh, so you said you don't think they have the right to put a phone camera in a cop's face. Well, I think what it gets into is officer safety.
Starting point is 01:16:51 We have a right, we have a job to protect the public. And we also have a job to protect ourselves. And how do I protect the public when somebody's got a phone in my face and they can't see what's going on? I think that what these cities need to do is, and we've done it here. There's been a lot of agencies in our state that if they've set up barricades and they said, you guys are free to protest right here in this area. We're not impeding on that right, but don't cross over this barricade because this is a zone that we're trying to protect. You know, this is the safe. We're trying to can maintain officer safety and public safety here.
Starting point is 01:17:27 So I think that what we've, what the media has shown and what has been allowed, I think is, we're pushing the envelope and it's making our job even harder on law enforcement. Sheriff, there's a Tom Ellsworth, the biz doc. I got a question for you. Hey, how are you? Appreciate your, your thoughtfulness here. So can you comment a little bit? Cause I think I'm hearing it between the lines there.
Starting point is 01:17:52 It's like you take a look at Portland. So they created this DMZ, or is it Seattle? Who had the free zone down to Seattle? That was a jazz, that was a jazz. Yeah, DMZ. I think is in North Korea. Yeah, well, you get the point right? Is there a great in a free zone.
Starting point is 01:18:06 And so there were the police actually got stuck on the perimeter of that and couldn't go inside. And there were people that really needed help and people that are on the inside that established it, suddenly a couple of them needed help. So it is kind of a two-faced answer by the protest public, right? Yeah, I mean, you can't what they did was completely different. They set up a whole freeze-on where people could go and they violated people's what about all those businesses who had their businesses destroyed. That was your job as a law enforcement officer to protect those, to maintain that, you know, keep the maintain the peace. Here in the Arizona, the Constitution says, my job is to share this to suppress any
Starting point is 01:18:47 of phrase insurrection riots or any lawlessness that comes into the county. What they did was try to be cute and set up this, and I'm not saying it was the Portland or the Seattle police. Their government thought it would be best to set up a zone where people could just run a buck and not keep them in check. I look. I was listening to you guys show earlier. How did that work out? You know what we've done is we've started, we've started allowing like, like Patrick was talking about Iran.
Starting point is 01:19:15 We're just saying, oh, hey guys, if we'll give you this spot, if you don't, if you just don't be violent toward the other thing and we will, you can't do that. That's children will rack untill completely un And you can't do that. That's children will rack, until completely unruly if you do that. The best example you gave was, hey, I'll give you $100 if you guys just play your Xbox quietly. No, you take the Xbox away.
Starting point is 01:19:35 That's how you're gonna get them to behave. And look, there's a fine line. People are gonna not like what I'm saying, and I'm very constitutional minded, but we have adultered the First Amendment. There have been groups that have taken the First Amendment and completely adultered the First Amendment with either what they say, their freedom of speech, or also, in a more in particular, their right to protest, to address grievances with the government.
Starting point is 01:20:04 You don't do that at eleven o'clock at night all the government buildings are shut down so i mean look there's a week we've adopted the first amendment we got to get it in check get it back i'm not saying to violate people's rights but we can't let the first amendment go to where it wasn't supposed to be mark what he thinks going to happen under bite-man administration with police. I mean, you're seeing what create a momentum with defunding the police. Then you're seen Biden, originally, people were worried Sanders was going to be on the, you know, his cabinet, people were worried. AOC was going to have a position, Elizabeth Warren was going to have a position. None of that happened,
Starting point is 01:20:39 but they were able to get a lot of those guys to help them get elected. Do you think he's going to be aggressive like against cops or do you think he's going to be fairly reasonable with your world with police officers, cops, sheriffs, all the folks out there that do what you do? Well, I think it's first and foremost important to understand that he is not the president elect. He has not been determined by the electoral college to be the president elect. The media has claimed him to be the president elect. So first and foremost, I think
Starting point is 01:21:11 it's important to distinguish that. He is a guy who pretend he to be the president elect right now. It is likely that he will be the president elect. I'm not saying he will, but as it until December 14th, he's not. It will be terrible under Biden. I think this year showed during all the riots and the looting and all these different things, they had an opportunity to come out and stand against that and to support the law enforcement agencies across this country and they failed to do so. Not only did they fail to do so, their silence or in many cases some of the rhetoric that they put out there
Starting point is 01:21:45 was inflammatory towards law enforcement. So I don't you in law enforcement we can only go off of what we see and what I saw was a lack of support for law enforcement and what concerned me more than Joe Biden because I just frankly don't think that if Joe Biden should he be elected as president I don't think that he stays in office very long. I'm more concerned about the people that he keeps running up. There is potential candidates for these positions. I think that's alarming to me. A lot of them are very radical, very progressive, and I don't think that is good for police officers. And we're starting to see already the failures of some of these policies across this country but in the out of Minnesota, a lot of different places.
Starting point is 01:22:32 So I think a Biden administration is terrible for law enforcement and we'll have a lot of work to do. And unfortunately, I think in a lot of places you're going to see a lot more handcuffs put on them what they've been on. Interesting. Who concerns you the most from the people he's proposed? I don't really think that the policies that is potential chief of staff is putting out there very good. I think you know talks of Elizabeth Warren,
Starting point is 01:22:57 some of these other folks. Kamala Harris concerns me. I think that Kamala Harris has proven over time based on what I see as somebody who will say and do anything for votes, power, or money. And anytime you're talking, that is a ticking time bomb having somebody in public office, if that's what they're willing to put. They'll do anything for those three things.
Starting point is 01:23:22 And anybody should be concerned over that. Well, brother, I appreciate you for coming on and spending a few minutes with us and giving us insight on your world for us who hear all these different stories on both sides of the aisle and politics when you watch CNN, Fox, MSNBC. It's much easier for me to just call someone like you to say, hey, tell us what's really going on the street. So again, thank you for your time. Appreciate you buddy and hopefully we'll have you back on here soon
Starting point is 01:23:45 and you'll be willing to come back on as a guest again. All right. Thanks guys. I appreciate it. Take care. Bye bye. So, you know, I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen. You know, you see, you see these,
Starting point is 01:23:56 going back to the whole thing with the camera. Remember how yesterday we were talking about it? I said, I don't know if I'm fully against it. Do you remember when we were talking about the whole friends camera thing yesterday? I'm like, I'm not if I'm fully against it. Do you remember when we were talking about the whole friends camera thing yesterday, I'm like, I'm going to find fully against it. There was a part of it that like the other day I got pulled over, right? Yes, that got a reckless driving ticket. What was it? I was going to ask the sheriff lamb about that. Yeah, well, you know, my my license is suspended multiple times. So it's
Starting point is 01:24:17 not the reason I got pulled over again. So I got, so I got a ticket yesterday and this guy pulls me over, right? And I said, okay, I'll pull over the car. I've done this. I probably have more tickets than everybody in this room combined. I don't think anybody, if we combine, how many tickets you got total on your lifetime? Total, four, I have 75 tickets, 80 tickets. I'm not kidding.
Starting point is 01:24:37 And it's a step-by-game up, bro. For the first 12 months we were here, I got three tickets a week that my staff had to pay for every week, okay? How do you still have a license? I don't have a week that my staff had to pay for every week, okay? How do you still have a license? I don't have a license. I lost my license a couple of times, but let me go, but let me make this point to you.
Starting point is 01:24:52 So, cop pulls me over. And by the way, I've been pulled over all over the world. So, I've been pulled over. I've been pulled over. It doesn't attack us. No, I got pulled over by cop yesterday, okay? And he pulls me over. I'm like, look, I screwed up.
Starting point is 01:25:04 I said, what do we need to do? I said, oh, hi. Well, thank you for pulling over the car and, and, you know, if you don't mind taking out your driver's license and I don't want to grab it from you because I want to make sure your, your health, you feel comfortable with it, would you mind turning your idea over? I'm like, wait a minute, what the hell was this all about?
Starting point is 01:25:24 So I turn my, driver's idea over, I'm like, wait a minute, what the hell was this all about? So I turn my driver's license over, he gets the whatever code is on the back. He stands on the back. He stands on the back. He says, yeah, okay, you know, we're doing this for your safety. And I'm like, great, that's got a mask on it. Cups got a mask on he's talking to me.
Starting point is 01:25:39 And I said, so anything you need from me, he says, oh no, I just want to let you know, look, I know, you know, I'm not trying to bother you. It's once you know that one thing you have on the back. I mean, if you don't mind, you know, I'm not gonna give you a ticket for it. And I mean, I got a cavity. He was so sweet.
Starting point is 01:25:55 Just listen to the guy that we saw. I've never heard a copy this week. It was out of control uncomfortable. You're saying he was being too nice. He was being so nice and he was so uncomfortable. Big guy, probably 18 inch arms. Massive guy this guy was. He was talking to me like that and I walked away
Starting point is 01:26:12 saying to myself, this is the nicest cop that's ever pulled me over out of all the 75 tickets I've got. I've never had a nicer cop. Is that because of his personality? Or is that because cops are told, be a little nicer to people nowadays. Try to be a little bit more amicable to people nowadays.
Starting point is 01:26:28 Be careful because they may be recording. Be careful. Maybe cop, do I want cops to be scared? Do you want scared cops? I don't know if I want scared cops. Do you want cops to be so scared of what they need to do that they're thinking about being politically correct, right, and protecting you? I don't know if I'm going to war and telling my soldiers,
Starting point is 01:26:46 hey guys, make sure when we're going out there, you don't talk about what they wear, you don't talk about their clothes because we don't want to piss them off. And so let's be respectful before we kill them. What the hell are you talking about? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So now that's in war.
Starting point is 01:26:59 I'm not talking about cops are doing the same thing, but I can also want to empower cops. I don't want to take the power away from cops. I want cops to have power. I don't want cops to not have any kind of power. I'm not telling you for people not to have power. Of course I want the people to have power, but I think there's a part of it here where
Starting point is 01:27:17 it's a slippery slope, but also at the same time I understand why cops would not be happy with somebody. So, okay, say it. Say, can you imagine if somebody goes like this to you right now, what's your initial reaction? Go ahead. You just got pissed off. So you're, go ahead, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:27:32 You're alive. Hey, I just want to let you know he did this sexual harassment. Then I don't know. I mean, I'd be like, you know what? I'd go to my boss on Monday. I'd say, boss, I'm just not made for to be a cop. I'm good. I don't like cameras for to be a cop. I'm good. I don't like cameras on my face 24, 7.
Starting point is 01:27:47 I'm good. I resign. Just some quick feedback. I hear you on both sides. I hear the sheriff. I hear what you're saying. You know, the cop that pulled you over. I don't see anything wrong with him not being an asshole.
Starting point is 01:28:02 What do I mean by that? Let me unpack most cops are not as I'm not saying that when cops pull you over. Yeah. You're not a frickin criminal because you were speeding 10 miles over the speed limit. Okay. There's no reason. But all right, buddy. Put your hands on the wheel. Let me see your shit. Let's go. And they just do it. Okay. Just give me a fucking ticket. Let's move on. They're like, yeah, you don't have to be a total asshole about it. That is a lot of cops though. Like I've been pulled over a handful of times. I disagree. I've had very, listen to what he said. Listen to what he said. Listen to
Starting point is 01:28:31 what he said. We have to be able to reason. Okay. We have to be, it's comments like that that ruins people's reputation. Imagine somebody who lives in the worst part of town where majority of the people are El Salvadorian. And they live in a capital of Marasavadrocha. Go to place in El Ainsar. I've met a lot of Salvadorian. They're all like this. Bullshit. You just so happen to live in the capital of a place where MS-13 is at. We just had an El Salvadorian guy in our company cross a million dollars this week. Okay, he's been with us for five years. He was a former economist in El Salvador. I had the third highest, great in his class.
Starting point is 01:29:06 The entire country ended up giving him a scholarship to go to any country. He comes in the economist, comes to the States. Now him and his wife Rudolfo and Cessi Vargas just crossed a million dollar a year and come to El Salvador and I don't say, oh, because I went to Glendale and I was in Eagle Rock all the time
Starting point is 01:29:18 around MS-13, all Salvadorians are like that. The guy said, when we asked the question, you asked the question from him, how is it today being a cop in 2020? How is it? Do people spit in your face? And what was his answer? Depends where you live, right? Exactly. So you can't say that about cops everywhere just because I was not making a blanket state.
Starting point is 01:29:36 Bill, you know, I know. Okay, we have to run the tapes. Go back and listen to it. Two minutes ago. I say just because they pull you over, they don't have to be an asshole. No, you said most cops are assholes. I did not say most cops are assholes. Okay. I did not say that. Rewind the tape.
Starting point is 01:29:49 Okay. Gladly. I said, there's no reason that they have to be an asshole. Just because they're more than an asshole. I'm not saying that they are, but if you get a ticket, like you're surprised that he was sweet. I was actually like, all right, cool. He wasn't being like, hey man, like, I don't want to be like, you don't want to be
Starting point is 01:30:04 like, give me your, let me see your stuff. Like, you want them to be me? I don't right, cool. He wasn't being like, hey man, like, you don't want it to be like that. You don't want it to be like, give me your, let me see your stuff. You want them to be me? You do? Listen, I don't want the coaches to my kids. I don't, I don't think it's appropriate for police officer to be that sweet. Okay.
Starting point is 01:30:17 I don't think it is. I think there's a, there's a fine line between authoritative and being mean. I don't say be authoritative. I'm not telling you be sweet. For me, I think you have to be in the middle for a position like that. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:30:30 He's not in the middle. I'm telling you, he was scared. Okay, I thought he was just being nice. I don't know why I don't know if he was scared. He was, he was, he was, He was all-ready and you almost got a cavity because he was being nice. He was overly sweet and nice.
Starting point is 01:30:42 You're taking it to, he was sweet because he was scared. He was afraid. That's a different story. I thought he was just being nice. No, I don to he was sweet because he was scared. He was afraid. That's a different story. I thought he was just being nice. No, I don't have a problem with him being nice. No, no, he was being a little bit too scared because what if somebody makes a complaint
Starting point is 01:30:54 and what if this, I'm like, no, you don't want him to be my trust you. You don't want him to be my trust you. You don't want him to be my trust you. You don't want him to be my trust you. It's like, do I always talk about that? You don't want him to be my trust you. You don't want him to be my trust you.
Starting point is 01:31:02 I just want you to know, you're very important to me. Very important to me. How did he respond? He was shell shocked. Really? He's shell shocked. He's like, you're serious. You have no idea how much you mean to me.
Starting point is 01:31:12 I appreciate your job. Because on any given day, your wife and kids don't know if you're gonna go home tonight. I hear you on that. I'm sure it's, I'm going home tonight. Unless if I screw up on the freeway, I'm probably gonna make it home tonight. They don't know if you're gonna go home tonight.
Starting point is 01:31:26 Your daughter, your son, this may be the last time they saw you this morning. I got a lot of respect for cops. And when you forget that part, it's very easy when the whole story about soldiers were coming back from war back in the days and people were spitting in their face at airports. Scustard.
Starting point is 01:31:39 You freaking kid. I mean, do you realize what they just say? They missed a birth of their kids. You're sitting here spitting in the guy's face because he gave you freedom and all they did is follow the orders of a president that told them to go to war. It's not like they made a decision to go to war.
Starting point is 01:31:50 They chose to go to war because a president called a shot, what do you do with spitting in their faces? I think we have to have respect for military. I think we have to have respect for officers, but also I think we have to have respect for people. I think the one thing that we need to be spending more time talking about is basic respect. It's just respect. You got to respect we the people, we the people's got to respect cops, we the people got
Starting point is 01:32:14 to respect military, we just have to respect one another. If we come from that standpoint and we love, we do our best to love one another, we got some stuff to do here. 100% agree with you. But we have to lead, we can be little soft, he's afraid because I may say something that's going to be like, oh my gosh, let me be careful because of political correctness. I'm 100% agree with you. You know, statistically speaking, the most dangerous thing officers do, you know what it is?
Starting point is 01:32:36 Statistics, if you look at all the incense under this, pull somebody over. The number of incense that start with a pullover is there because a lot of times people are speeding for a reason, driving recklessly for a reason, under the influence, have committed to crime, things like that. And so listen to police officers say, listen, when you pull somebody over, here's what I have to do. And I've heard this. They say, I have to be cautious, I have to be clear and I got to be firm. And when I'm walking up to the window of that vehicle, I be cautious, I have to be clear, and I got to be firm. And when I'm walking up to the window of that vehicle, I'm cautious, and I'm going to be very clear with that driver, and then I got to be firm.
Starting point is 01:33:10 Now, there's some cops who go over the edge, sure. But I think body cams, dash cams kind of neutralize that because what did you say, what tone of voice did you have? It's being recorded because your duty day is being recorded. And I think the people with camera phones at the perimeter, I have no trouble with that. I have big trouble when people jump into the middle of an active police action and they're putting the cameras in their face,
Starting point is 01:33:36 you're inciting it, you're creating something's not there. And by the way, something that the sheriff said is absolutely true. It's not about protests. We have the right to free assembly and we have the right to free speech, but we also have disturbing the peace and we have a lot of parameters to go along that. Peaceful protests, peaceful marches, you know, that's where it's got to go. And when you have these people that create these mob scenes and they're jump, they're creating
Starting point is 01:34:02 incidents within what they call as a protest. And they're giving everyone license to attack what's the underlying current there, is there is a attack on authority and the police represent authority and they're getting attacked and what's going on in the protest right now. And I think we need to appreciate the fact
Starting point is 01:34:22 that are there some bad cops? Sure there are. However, just take a look at body cams, dash cams and recording what's going on. And appreciate the fact that statistically speaking, the most dangerous thing a policeman does is pull you, is pull people over. It's a question mark. You pull somebody over. It's a question. You got to respect.
Starting point is 01:34:39 You know, it's kind of, it's kind of like when you work out a company, Adam, and all of a sudden your employees flip on you. Okay, and it happens to different leaders. I have it happen to our sales leaders all the time, and it happens to department leaders all the time. Tom's very worried this as well. He's been in the world for a long time, and he's seen this happen.
Starting point is 01:34:59 It's when the boss becomes afraid of losing employees. When you get afraid of losing employees to the point where you start making decisions based on afraid of losing employees, you officially lost the ability to lead your company, lead your department. You can't be like that. Now, let's flip it.
Starting point is 01:35:19 If you are losing employees because you treat them like crap, you're getting what you deserve. So you have to understand that part as well. So it's not just a one side, like when you got, oh god, you know, they're done. Well, maybe you got some things you got to work on, man. Some way you treat people like,
Starting point is 01:35:33 you may want to work a little bit more on their relationship thing. I'm not telling you to be timid. Just telling you to be a little bit more respectful. Hear them out a little bit. Be willing to support them. Just because they're, you know, have their back turned good and bad times.
Starting point is 01:35:45 Like you got to go through some of that process together. But if it flips and it's just somebody becoming too worried about losing people, you're no longer leading that organization. The organization is leading you. Similar to when kids are leading their parents, you know, I give a final thought on Tom's comments. Great stat about the most dangerous interaction is with cops is when they pull you over. My question that is I would assume the majority of interactions with cops
Starting point is 01:36:10 are when they pull you over. I mean, think about how often are you interacting with cops? And let's try to frickin' riot that we're talking about here where you're putting a camera in someone's face on your day-to-day interactions. You're not dealing with cops. Like if you go to like a sports game, maybe they're outside the arena, you know,
Starting point is 01:36:24 but like how often do you interact with cops? You interact with cops 75 times a year, apparently, with all the tickets that you get. But it's dangerous, but it's also the most likely situation to happen interacting with cops. And this goes back to my initial point. You, I mean, I'm being very clear here. You, if you get a $200 speeding ticket, time 75, whatever, bro, I got 200 bucks for the common person out there if you get a $200 speeding ticket, time 75, whatever, bro, I got 200 bucks. For the common person out there, they get a $200 speeding ticket, plus they get points on their license, plus their insurance goes up. Their fucking day is ruined and now they don't have the money to pay for the insurance.
Starting point is 01:36:57 They're very upset. It is a lot. It is a lot. So no doubt. No doubt. No doubt. But you have the ability to pay for it. No questions. I also got tickets
Starting point is 01:37:06 when I was broke to your soon. I've been rich my entire life. But you've been rich for good 20 years now. Not 20 years. 20 years ago. I was 22 years old. I was broke. No, I started making 15 years. 15 years. Where are you going here? You're going back to saying that you shouldn't give a ticket to someone or the same thing. What I'm saying, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying a number one, most interactions are with, within somebody getting pulled over. So not only is it the most dangerous, but I assume the majority of interactions are here's your ticket. Keep it moving. But if there's 10 million people getting pulled over every year, but also, but also it's going to be very high.
Starting point is 01:37:39 90% of interactions cops have with people are those that broke the law. I broke a law. So everybody that they're dealing, they're getting a call to go to someone's house because of domestic violence. They're getting a call to go to someone's house because somebody, you know, robbed them. They're getting a call to go because it was an accident. Totally with you. So imagine your entire life is, you're calling to go to deal with someone that broke the
Starting point is 01:38:03 law. What a wonderful way to start your day. Horrible. There you go. But back to my initial point, there's a big difference in going to someone's house because of a murder, domestic violence versus Heyman, you were going 50 and a 35. It's like, all right, cool. I'll take the ticket, but like don't add insult to injury and be like, you don't need
Starting point is 01:38:22 to be treated like a criminal. Let me flip the conversation on you about cops. Okay. My sister can totally remember a couple of these terms. I'm not going to tell you a couple of them because they're pretty bad. I can't stand bad cops. And I call them out ASAP. There's witnesses.
Starting point is 01:38:36 One time we're going down to Newport Beach. I was given a talk at Balboa Club and I was going my expedition. 22 years old. This is at the peak of my temper, and I'm not, you know, I only got 10 grand on a bank, saved up my money from working at Bally's, and I'm using all that money to grow my business, which is not going well.
Starting point is 01:38:53 Now, I'm driving down, cop pulls me over, and he comes from the other side, okay? And he comes with the gun, pointed at the car, I'm like, what the hell are you doing? So he comes to the side with his gun in his hand.'m like, what the hell are you doing? So he comes to the side with his gun in his hand. I said, what the hell are you doing? Four or five free, we're right off the Venice exit. You know where the Venice exit is right off the four or five free.
Starting point is 01:39:12 Yeah, exactly. I said, what are you doing? I was gonna ask you what you're doing. Well, there's been reports I was stolen, and I said, so what the hell do you have a gun in your hand? So you see six people in this call with a suit on. So how long you been a cop? None of your business. How long have you been a cop? How long have you been a cop?
Starting point is 01:39:29 He wouldn't answer that question for me. That's how long you been a cop. So finally, what do I do? I go show up to court. You know what he gave me a ticket for? No joke. I'm actually not joking here. Go in 71 on a freeway that was 65. I got a ticket going 71 on 65. You broke the law, man. But I broke the law side, went to court. And I specifically wanted to know how long that guy had been a cop. You know how long that guy had been a cop?
Starting point is 01:39:52 90 days. Yeah. There's a baby cop, okay? Walking on with a gun on. The hell you doing walking on with a gun on? Can you imagine if you do that? It's okay. Yeah, what are you doing?
Starting point is 01:40:01 So there are those cops that use their badge and their gun as a method of a weapon that I'm more powerful than you. I cannot stand that at the highest level, but that's less than 1%. I agree. Okay, less than 1%. For me to put that onus on the other 99%
Starting point is 01:40:18 who are trying to do their best, I'm not gonna do based on 1%. I'll lift you on that. You never use exception to say the entire community is there because of 1%, not gonna happen. So anyways, there's two use exception to say the entire community is there because of one person. Not gonna happen. So anyways, there's two sides to the story. It is what it is.
Starting point is 01:40:29 Let's go to the next one. This has to do with a boss. So apparently what's coming out here is the following. Your boss really, really thinks you should get vaccinated. For US businesses that have WFH since March, that have been WFH since March, working from home, the recent positive developments around Vax and Trial's land that has an opportunity to get the gang back to get them. that have been WFH since March working from home, the recent positive developments around vaccine trials
Starting point is 01:40:45 land that has an opportunity to get the gang back to get employers could simply ask all of their employees to get vaccinated, return to the office, and to zoom 40 minutes off the cutoff forever. But can employers legally require their workers to get vaccines? Short answer, yes. There are exceptions for people with disabilities
Starting point is 01:41:07 or those with sincerely held religious beliefs against vaccination. Labor and employment attorney, Michael Roach, told Business Insider that the safest legal tack is for companies to strongly encourage employees to get vaccinated. If an employer did require vaccination, it might mean assuming liability for any nasty side effects.
Starting point is 01:41:25 Instead, labor and employment law, Jay Rosenlieb advises companies to let workers get their shots on company time, make sure everyone knows senior leadership got poked. And if the company has a union, ask its leaders to encourage vaccination. The same is for kids in schools, with the schools can tell their kids to get vaccinated.
Starting point is 01:41:44 So let me get this straight. This is the, by the way, this is a slippery slope right here, man. Let me tell you. So, so a boss and employer can tell their employees you have to get vaccinated or else. Or else what though? Or else anything. It's yes. You can't work from office because I'm thinking a couple different things here.
Starting point is 01:42:02 Or else you can't come here. So that's the slippery slope, slippery slope. You know, can you imagine a boss telling you better get vaccinated or also you can't come to work? Well, let me ask you a question here. Can my kids school say your kids better get vaccinated or else they can't come to school? I believe that's a thing, right? They can say that. They've been doing that for a while. That's why people are leaving California. Correct. So you mean to tell me, you and they say, well, he doesn't have to take the vaccine, he just doesn't have to come to the school. Well, what school gets grants that doesn't want their kids to get vaccinated? What school gets kids to go to their school, if the principal says, we don't require vaccinations.
Starting point is 01:42:48 So schools are sitting there saying, which audience is there bigger of? There's a bigger audience of parents that expect their kids to get what? Vaccinated. And parents that are not getting vaccinated. So guess what? We have to bank on people that want to get vaccinated.
Starting point is 01:43:00 So I brought this up to gender the other day because my two kids class got canceled because one of their something happened, you know because my two kids class got canceled because one of their something happened You know, so the kids class got canceled. Okay They're worried, okay, because high school first got canceled and next great guy canceled So the teachers are not shown up etc. It says a whole the stuff going on Then I said Jen what are you gonna do if they say the kids got to get vaccinated or else they can't go to school She says well
Starting point is 01:43:22 They can't do that. I said why can't they do that? She looked it up says, you know what they can actually do that. So what if they do do that? What's our position if they do that? What are your thoughts? You got two kids. You know, what are your thoughts about employ your or school being able to force your kids to get vaccinated? I think this is, there's a couple of sides on this and they all lead to really strong opinions and arguments. On one hand, you've got an employer that's that, so you have all these people over here that don't want to get sick. And they're telling the employer say, hey, you know, these people need to get vaccinated and because I don't want to be exposed to something.
Starting point is 01:44:04 You know, I'm going to get vaccinated. I don't want to be exposed to something. You know, I'm going to get vaccinated. I don't want to be sick, but I don't, but remember, vaccinations are not 100%. You can still get the flu. Flu goes around your office. You're like, I got the flu. I can't believe I got the flu. I actually got a flu shot and all these knuckleheads, you know, kind of tough it out came to work and they gave me the flu.
Starting point is 01:44:19 Well, vaccinations the same way. It's not 100%. So people are not going to want it. Now let's, let's lift it up. It's not the flu, it's COVID that some percent of people that get COVID, and we all know the list, pre-existing conditions,
Starting point is 01:44:33 comorbidities and things like this. And you could get really sick or worse. So now people are gonna say, well, if my boss and my company doesn't force other people to get vaccinated, you know what I'm going to do? And I get sick. I'm going to assume I, because you created an unsafe work environment.
Starting point is 01:44:49 So you have that whole vector there. And so I think this becomes a really crazy slippery slope, you know, on all sides of it. You have people say, you're your friends, you got my civil liberties. How do you feel about it? Me. I don't want to be anybody's lab rat. and I think the vaccines right now are being rushed. I'd like to see the long-term efficacy. You have medications that take a long time for the FDA to approve.
Starting point is 01:45:16 They're going through the process right now, by the way. Yeah, but they're going through the process. How are you able to really determine long-term efficacy or long-term side effects? And we all know, look, let's look between the lines, right? You go, and you take a look at, what's your great example? Ah, the company that brought us to Oxie Cotton, turns out they had monstrous insurance, and they had monstrous war chest, and they knew they were going to pay off a percent of people they get addicted and die
Starting point is 01:45:46 They knew yep exactly you know what I'm talking about so they're like they rushed it because there was billions of dollars of profit To be made and then there was also a war chest and insurance to cover the percent and so you can't trust You know a corporate entity right and I'm conservative but you, you, you got to be really careful about Russian things like medications. So I don't want to be anybody's lab rat. I don't want it to be rushed. I mean, the question here is when you have kids, right?
Starting point is 01:46:16 Again, I don't have kids right now. So I don't necessarily have this going on in my mind, but to be clear, are your kids vaccinated or no? For the coat for coat? No, not not code, but all the other stuff. Not COVID. I'm talking about COVID. Up in this point. Yes. But and your kids positions have slightly changed. This is what I'm asking. Have your kids been vaccinated? Yeah, me standard, all that. All the smallpox standard stuff. Okay. So you, you're an advocate of that. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:46:45 And I daily tried to vaccinate them against stupidity on the regular. Yeah. I, I missed that vaccination. Sorry, guys. Um, but you said your point, somethings don't need to be said, you know, I know the, um, the, uh, the point that you were going with is that your point, your, your, your stance has changed a little bit regarding the backs. I'm, I have no idea. I don't want this. The point that you were going with is that your point,
Starting point is 01:47:05 your stance has changed a little bit regarding the backs. I'm, I don't want this to be podcasting and taking down right now. You have no, but what's the deal with the vaccination? Let me tell you, you have no idea. You know what concerns me is when you can't talk about a topic without people getting uncomfortable. The other day I had a guest on Dr. Stephen Gundry,
Starting point is 01:47:22 who's a number one cardiologist, you know, 10,000 heart surgeries he's done in his life. And at the end, I talk about vaccine. You could tell he's uncomfortable. Right. And you just have to go to the last 10 minutes and watch, I'm sitting on like, man, I feel bad. Why is he uncomfortable?
Starting point is 01:47:37 So, well, you know, vaccines, you have to do this and you have to do it. So, he said all the politically correct questions until I ask, you got grandkids, yes. Are you asking your granddaughter and your grandkids to, your daughter to get your grandkids vaccinated? Nope, why not? So you understand the positioning.
Starting point is 01:47:56 So on one hand, you gotta trust all this other stuff, but when it comes onto your family, it's no. Here's my problem, my problem is force. And what I mean by my problem is forces. What Tom just said right there, you have to realize division is created this way. What's division? In a company where a group of people said,
Starting point is 01:48:14 you're not being responsible to get everybody vaccinated and another group that says what? I don't wanna get vaccinated. How do you win there? You don't win. You lose. There is no winning there by the way, just so you know that. There don't win. You lose. There is no winning there by the way, just so you know that.
Starting point is 01:48:25 There is somebody is going to lose. And you know who loses 100% at a time? The employer loses. The employer doesn't win. Because the employer is going to be end up the enemy towards a group, rather than saying you have a choice. So now you wanna flip it and say,
Starting point is 01:48:41 employer can say everybody's gotta get vaccinated. And school's gonna say, you have to go get the COVID vaccine. I don't know about that. So what's next? So to this then becomes, you know the whole conversation about, I think what's the thing was talking about,
Starting point is 01:48:55 Bill Gates was talking about that. Eventually we're gonna get to a point to have chips and all this other stuff. Like, I'm buying a cat right now from Russia. Okay, that's gonna be shipped out here. Buy a cat? Yeah, I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it right now. So my dad is the only one that doesn't want to get, but I'm looking at it. I Russia. Okay, that's gonna be shipped out here. Mine, you're getting a cat? You're getting a cat? I'm looking at it right now.
Starting point is 01:49:06 So my dad is the only one that doesn't want a cat, but I'm looking at a cat. I like we're going with this. So we're going back and forward with the person, someone's gonna go pick it up and deliver it to me, this cat, and they said, oh, we have to do everything for the cat. What's that?
Starting point is 01:49:17 The shots, this, this, and the chip. I said, what chip? So yeah, the chip. What's the chip in there? To put the chip in there. Well, the chips are getting started with animals. Who's after animals? After the chips get tested? Then the chips can go potentially in human beings. Why would you not have a test? Why? Why wouldn't you have
Starting point is 01:49:31 a chip? Why wouldn't you? Would you agree to have a chip right on your body? Would you today agree to have a chip in your body? I'm not on the chip. Would you agree to have a chip in your body today? No. In 10 years, you're going to say yes. You think so. Oh, because if they say, what is the difference between a chip and a vaccine, if an employer says to you, no, what's your choice? If the school says your kids, they don't have to have the chip. What do you say?
Starting point is 01:49:54 Actually, what do you say? So then we're going back to a society where you be enforced to do what the government is telling you to do or else. And that or else is what I have a problem with. I know there's a lot of people in this country. There's a lot of people in this country who won't even wear a freaking mask,
Starting point is 01:50:10 much less a vaccination or a chip. I don't blame them. I don't blame them. Can you force everybody to wear a condom to have safe sex? No, you can't. You can't. What's the difference?
Starting point is 01:50:21 It's a different question. Can you force people to wear a mask? And this is no. This goes back to the initial topic of this. But here's the other part. The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference.
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Starting point is 01:50:44 The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference. The difference. to think about it. So if every school is forced to say, your kids cannot come here because of vaccination, where do you take your kids? You only have one option. What homeschool? It's the only option you leave. That's not an easy option for people. And they know that. They know it's not an easy option. So I don't know. I'm not comfortable with it. That's all I'm saying. I'm not just a word of force. Just to read initially what you wrote, you know, not what you wrote, what you read, what kind of actually wrote up. There's, you know, words are very powerful. So they say, can employers legally require the work
Starting point is 01:51:11 as to get vaccinated, short answer? Yes. And then as you go down, they say words like strongly encourage, encourage vaccination could be a liability. So it's just, is it, is it, is it recommended, is it encouraged, is it required? What is it? I don't know. What is it?
Starting point is 01:51:32 Yeah, if schools, schools can, schools will say, if your kids don't have the older vaccines, they can't go to the school. So last question with this, quote unquote, all the vaccines. I've heard there's like 72 vaccines. Whatever the vaccines they want you to take. What's the number?
Starting point is 01:51:45 Because I heard so. 72 is the vaccine. Okay, so the 72 versions, if you're 72 vaccines. But I've heard some people say, look, I wouldn't do all 72. I would do, you know, 10 of them, 20 of them. Yeah. I won't do all of them. But the question is, yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:59 Because you still only have to do like six back in the day. The question is, the question is, what do you have to do to allow your kids to go to school with their friends? What is the state guideline forcing you to do and what is happening behind closed doors with this? And are my kids protected? And am I protected to choose? And this is- What would governor P.B.D. recommend?
Starting point is 01:52:21 I'm not a force, I'm not a fan of force. Okay. Not. You know, those whole thing was shut down. I'm not a fan of force. Okay. Not. You know, you know those whole thing was shut down. Do you know the soul thing was shut down and Jersey, they're shutting down schools. Do you know how many kids under the age of 18 have died in Jersey?
Starting point is 01:52:32 How many? Point. No, no, no, actually give me the number. How many kids in Jersey have died? Under the age of 18. I'm guessing under 10. How what do you think the number is? I am guessing it's a really low number.
Starting point is 01:52:45 You know what's the lowest number? That's what it is. What's the lowest number? Zero. Zero. Okay. No kid under the age of 18s died from COVID. In New Jersey.
Starting point is 01:52:54 In New Jersey. Okay. In California, what's the population? 40 million. How many kids under the age of 18 have that in state of California from COVID? Again, I'm going under 20. What do you think the number is? I'm going to two. Two. Yeah. the number is? I'm gonna, two.
Starting point is 01:53:05 Yeah. Two kids died under the age of 18. You're shutting down schools. What the hell are we talking about here? How many kids died last year from their parents driving them to school? A lot more than that. It's more than two.
Starting point is 01:53:22 Are we gonna shut down freeways? No. How many kids died last year because of pool? How many times you heard what Mike was saying last year? Last week. How many? So Jersey, so you're shutting them because of zero kids under the age of 18. You're shutting them because of 200 age of 18, California. What the hell are we doing? What what what are we talking about here? They're coming out with all these things. Oh, it's going to get worse. Oh, the numbers are worse. Oh, the numbers are worse. Yeah. What time just said right about vaccine is FDA approved. We don't know long term what the ramifications are about this vaccine. We don't know how long it's going to be after you're going to
Starting point is 01:53:54 take. We don't know the long term effects of these kids being forced to stay home would pissed off parents trying to do their job and screaming at their kids. We don't know. Most people don't have the options. Would you take the vaccine now? The COVID vaccine. Absolutely not. trying to do their job and screaming at their kids, we don't know. Most people don't have the options. Would you take the vaccine now? The COVID vaccine? Absolutely not. You would not.
Starting point is 01:54:09 No, would you talk? No, I know. Nope, I'm not your lab rat. With the CDC come out and said recently, I'm not sure if it was 40 or 50%, I think it was like 40% of all deaths because of COVID, deaths, however you want to define deaths, have been in nursing homes
Starting point is 01:54:25 or old age communities. This clearly kills older, I wish we had more time. We have two minutes until I get on the conference call. Look, yesterday CNN came out and they did a report on their Jake Tapper talking about the fact, oh, we finally found out that the data that China offered was wrong and they had more cases and their delays, you have to listen to this talk by Jake Tapper and he can't even hold himself. He's so uncomfortable. They finally show data that you're not going to show the video. You just got to go watch it. We'll put the links below.
Starting point is 01:54:56 They finally show data that it's China's fault and they should have told the rest of the world. And he that guy right there, the doctor right there says, if they would have told the rest of the world many lives could have been saved. Oh, now you want to say it. Who debated that? Now you want to say who debated? What are you talking about? Who debate? We've always understood that it's China. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the American media went, went, went, the American media was out of the way. That's the kind of stuff you said. It was China virus. What do you mean? What do you mean? This is the first time CNN is reporting his China's fault. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean?
Starting point is 01:55:25 This is the first time CNN is reporting his China's fault. What do you mean? I thought it was pretty clear that it was China's fault. When's the last time you saw CNN saying his China's fault? I don't watch CNN. I'm not a liberal leftist. What does this cry? Exactly.
Starting point is 01:55:36 That's the problem. I'm just kidding. By the way, when did you give back to me? I'm pretty sure that we've been blaming the Wuhan flu on China for months now. Who has been though? Nobody's been. When Trump called it the China flu, you had the lady on right here that said that it was the China developed it in a lab. Who? PPD.
Starting point is 01:55:56 But who was the lady? Who was the lady? Chinese virologist. Has she ever been on CNN? Has she ever been on MSNBC? When you go on airports, what did they play CNN? So what are you saying? What do you say? At airports? What did they play? When you go to hotels, what radio, what TV do they have? What news? Airport CNN. Airport CNN.
Starting point is 01:56:14 Hotel CNN. Everywhere you go to CNN, it's not a Fox news game. When a CNN been saying to be clear, I know they're not. They finally said it's China's fault. Finally, saying it's China's fault. But whose fault were they blaming it on? They were just playing dumb. Trump's administration, Trump's saying his China's fault. But who's fault were they blaming it on? They were just playing dumb. Trump's administration, Trump's handling, the way he handled it, the way world health organization came about and finally said it's a pandemic after Trump shut down China. You realize when you're talking about all this data, even Trump's sitting there saying, you haven't even told us it's a pandemic.
Starting point is 01:56:40 Now you want to categorically say it and he shuts them before and then Pelosi goes to China, China, China says, oh, these are good people. What the hell are you talking about? It's this kind of stuff of propaganda that gets the 80 million people to say, hey, yes, this is right. All I'm trying to say is the 80 million and the 75 million need to take 30 million from each side and create a third damn party. I would love that. Take 30 from the 80, take 30 from the 74, we need a third party. We need a candidate.
Starting point is 01:57:09 We people would stand up to that. Yeah, we do need a candidate. Anyways, we can get on along with this. I wish we had more time. We had a Zoom to get on. Tom, this was a blast. I have a new one on the podcast. This was more focused because last time it was a lot more of us.
Starting point is 01:57:20 It's just me. Shout out to the biz doc. Showing up. Thank you so much. Shout out to the biz knock. And by the way, I've been, I've been telling Tom, uh, uh, Tom's itching, case studies, Tom's itching case studies, Tom's really itching some case studies. If you want to see Tom shoot a couple case studies, why don't you push that subscribe button. If you want to see Tom start doing some of his case studies and he's got some up his sleeves.
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Starting point is 01:57:53 So I know you that I've heard this story. We've traveled many times. Okay. A lot of topics. Adam, phenomenal stuff here. This was great. Thank you guys. Appreciate you.
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