PBD Podcast - Amy Coney Barrett Threatened, NYC Data Center Ban, OpenAI vs Apple| PBD Podcast #833
Episode Date: July 16, 2026Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team discuss Amy Coney Barrett revealing she needed a bulletproof vest after the Dobbs leak, inflation's biggest drop since 2020, New York's AI data center ban, ...and much more.---✍️ PRE VAULT NETWORKING EVENT:https://bit.ly/4wQIe5k🎟️ SECURE YOUR 2026 VAULT TICKETS:https://bit.ly/4xU2SCW🧢 SHOP THE BLACK & GOLD FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT HAT:https://bit.ly/4pe7gZh🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026:https://bit.ly/4mFBPpwⓂ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT:https://bit.ly/4kSVksoⓂ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES:https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING:https://bit.ly/4lzQph2🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE:https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj🇰 KALSHI:http://kalshi.com/pbdSUBSCRIBE TO:@VALUETAINMENT@ValuetainmentComedyABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” from Simon & Schuster and a father of two boys and two girls. He currently resides in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
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Did you ever think you would make it?
I feel I'm supposed to take sweetly.
I know this life meant for me.
Adam, what's your point?
The future looks bright.
The handshake is better than anything I ever size.
Right here.
You are a 101?
My son's right there.
I think I've ever said this before.
So let me get this straight.
If you choose to become the Supreme Court justice,
how much risk do you have with that job?
Huge.
Huge.
So imagine you go in choosing to have one of the most difficult jobs.
You're hated.
It's controversial.
It's difficult.
Then when you get death threats, you start siding with the other side
and your voting record changes.
If that's a job you got, then don't be a Supreme Court justice.
If you become a president or if you become a vice president,
you say, I'm getting too many threats.
If you become a military guy and you go to war and you're saying,
hey, man, these enemies are trying to kill me.
That's the job.
Don't do the job.
Go take a different job.
Anyways, it's one of the top stories.
got a lot of thoughts on that. What Amy Coney Barrett, numbers came out, the fact that after she got
the threats, she talked about how incredibly devastating it is, the types of threats she's getting
that she has to go home with a, what do you call it, with a bulletproof vest and explained
to her sons that she's taken off. And I get that. But guess what? That's the job. That's the job.
And we'll get into that story. I got a lot of thoughts on that specific story. Anyways,
good to be with you guys. IBM stock drops 25% in a single day. Apparently, the way,
worst state they've had in how many years, Tom? 50, 60 years. They've never had a single day like this,
IBM. And there's a tie with that story in H-1B visas, that they're mainly starting to hire.
Their numbers, when I share it with you, I'm like, wait a minute, the numbers drop like that.
Yes, they had a certain expectation. I'm hitting, I think, $16.1 billion.
They felt short by like $2 billion in a market. It's like, what happened here?
This is a little weird. We'll address that Amy Coney-Bird for sure. Spain beat France.
not going to lie to you.
I was hurt.
I didn't like it.
I was rooting for Mbapé.
I'll just say it.
I think Spain's the most boring team
in the World Cup so far.
And every time I say that,
they're the Spurs of the 90s.
They're the Cleveland Cavaliers of the 18.
Craig Elo, Mark Price,
Brad Doherty, Tim Duncan,
Derek, what was the guys then, Parker?
Manu Jeremy, Tony Parker.
Genoble.
Boring, boring, boring team Spain is,
but they're freaking good.
They're very good.
And Argentina beat England
had to call my friend, man, Paul, you know, he was all like ready for $20,000 tickets, all this stuff.
You know, we, you know, talking to, you know, I'm suggesting him a couple different sponsors to reach out to to go through this challenge in time with England.
But there's a lot of story with Bellingham at the end, slapping one of the players, Argentina, holding the sign that they're not supposed to have a political message.
The scene where Bellingham said something to a messy and a message is like, oh, really?
okay no problem look what i'm gonna do we can't even play that clip because a clip on x was taken down
because anything with them are taking it down but uh it's leading to spain argentina's what it is
and there's a picture of uh uh messy viny just showed us this morning of lamin lammal when he was a baby
and he's like almost giving him a bath you know and so i don't know what's gonna end up happening
yeah at that time but we'll see and the interviews messy's been doing the stuff he's been saying
it's phenomenal trump's got a speech he's given tonight yeah a lot of people are speculating on what
happened. They're saying the speech was leaked to Wall Street Journal. Of course, all those leaks
always happened accidentally. Nobody would ever leak the story to get headline and marketing
and stuff that comes to it. Some of the things that they're going to be talking about is
foreign, you know, countries colluding in our elections. No. And some real, you know,
decisions and maybe even an executive order tonight. And we were hoping we can talk about it as well
us the movie Odyssey, but it's not out yet.
And so as much as we want to trash Odyssey,
some people are saying it's a good movie. I don't know. I'm going to go watch it.
I'm going to go watch it. Vinny told me it's like
a 17-hour movie. Here we go again.
One of these long three-hour movies that you
go and you have to prepare. P-breaks.
By the way, when they do three-hour movies, are commercials like
two hours as well? Like, do they
do one hour of commercials for three-hour movies?
It's like a four-hour. It's a full day.
You're committing to. The drive, the food, the parking,
you know. Too much. Anyways, we'll see
we'll see with that, but Trump has given a speech tonight.
Open AI.
Apparently, it's going to corporate espionage is taking place between Open AI and Apple.
And guess who is defending Apple?
A guy who's a trillionaire is defending Apple, not surprised because of Sam Altman.
But apparently this is some really ugly, ugly, nasty stuff that Open AI is doing.
We have to address this.
Then a same-sex couple.
This is a Vinny's story.
Vinny's bothered by this.
A same-sex couple that paid for a surrogate to have.
have a kid, and apparently the kid comes out in a way they're not happy about it with some health
issues, and they're trying to sue the girl, if I'm not mistaken. Am I saying that correctly? Am I roughly
there? Yeah, they're suing her because there's a birth defect that they didn't with the kids, sign up for.
And they wanted her to abort the defective kid so they could go have another surrogate with a
perfect kid. And she said, that's just not what I'm going to do. Yeah, and by way, I'm not stretching
that. That's exactly what the good. We'll talk about that. Taco Bell, by the way,
You've guys been eating a Taco Bell,
while you're a Caracobel,
the whole situation with this one new virus
that we spent 45 minutes this morning, honestly,
they were trying to teach me how to pronounce this word
because this is going to be another one of those moments
where you guys question my English as my fifth language,
and I welcome you to do it.
That's going to be okay.
But I'd love to see how you pronounce it.
To all the perfect people out there that think they speak perfect English,
you go on and say this word.
What is it?
Cyclosporosis?
Cyclosporiasis.
Did I say it correctly or no?
or he asked this.
Go ahead, Adam.
I'm going to give you the thumbs up.
You got that one.
Whatever, man.
It is what it is.
I'm taking hooked on phonics and I'm taking other classes, but we're getting there.
It works for you.
We'll figure this thing out.
Then AI data centers.
Something happened with AI data centers in New York where they're the first state that's saying
the screw, you know, the hell with AI data center.
So what does that really mean?
We'll address that.
And at last but not least, if you're in a military, you're 30 years old and he have low T,
there's a guy named Pete HEC said that wants to increase your T.
He wants to increase your testosterone level,
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you would look at those Russians.
You knew.
Oh, yeah.
That was like a picture perfect commercial for, you know,
testosterone or sipping it or PRT or any of that stuff.
Yeah, and that was just a woman, Tom.
You're funny.
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With that being said, let's get right into it.
First story I want to get into is Amy Coney-Barritt.
Emmy-Barritt tells the world that she's been getting threats.
And the world sympathizes.
A lot of conservatives do.
It's not an easy job to be Supreme Court.
Court justice, especially when you have to vote a certain way.
But this report comes out, this tweet, if you want to first show the numbers, then we'll go
to the clip.
And then I want you to see what other Supreme Court justice said when they were trying to
scare the crap out of him and saying, even if it kills me, I'm not letting you guys do
this on the face of a previous president of Joe Biden in the video.
I want you to watch this.
Let me read it to you.
Amy Coney Barrett's record tells a troubling story, okay?
If you can zoom in a little bit to the right.
Before Dobbs, she voted with conservative position in 81% of unanimous cases.
Since then, that number was dropped sharply into the 50 to 60% range.
A lot of people say, why?
Including on major cases involving birthright citizenship.
You know what birthright citizens?
It's stuff that liberals would even agree with.
So birthright citizenship and election procedures, you know, the whole voter ID stuff that was going through as well,
and administrative power
where she has cited
with Chief Justice Roberts and the liberals.
The Dobbs leak
triggered violent threats and protests
aimed directly at Supreme Court justices.
If the threat of violence or intimidation
can move a justice,
votes on fundamental issues.
We have a constitutional crisis on our hands,
and I agree with this tweet.
Judicial independence is not optional.
It is the foundation of the rule of law
when justice appears
to bend under pressure public trust
collapses and the entire system is at risk.
Can I give respect to this tweet of this person?
Can you go to the name of the person so I can give him a shout out?
I just want to make sure the right person, Roscoe Smith, is that the sixth?
I think it's Roscoe Smith, the fourth.
Can you go back to the tweet, please?
Longstar watch.
So as you go and you go through this, this cannot be allowed to stand, et cetera, et cetera.
Look at the left.
If you look at the left is how the votes were, 81%, then it drops to 59, 57,
And then this video comes out where she's talking about the threats she got that one time
she had to go home with a vest on, not this one.
It's the other one where she does the Fox interview.
If you don't have it, I think if you go below that, you should find it.
When you see this clip of her when she's out there, if you just, do you have it or you want
to go?
No, not this one.
There's one of her being interviewed on Fox, Amy Coney Barrett, where she's being interviewed
on Fox, and she's explaining the threats that she got.
And by the way, all you have to do is, here,
let me just send it to you from here.
If you don't have it, I just send it to if you want to pull it up.
Okay.
She explains how it's scary for her.
She explains how she had to go.
There you go.
She explains how she had to go to her family and her son.
Watch this.
This is tough, folks.
I'm totally sympathizing with her and that she's gone through this.
Watch this.
So I thought I would just share a little bit about how the threats have affected me
and my family personally.
They have required me to, my children, to think about and see things that children should not
have to see or think about.
One example is when threats to my life were particularly intense a few years ago around
the time of the Dobbs leak.
My security detail sent me home with a bulletproof vest, and I carried it into my house,
put it into my bedroom, dropped it down on a table, turned around, and my 12-year-old son
was standing in the doorway of my bedroom, and he wanted to know what it was.
and why I had it, and I didn't know how to respond because maybe I lack imagination,
but I didn't expect that performing this service was going to put me in the position of explaining
to my children what a bulletproof vest was and why I had to wear one. It's also been reported
in the news that roughly six weeks ago I was the victim of a swatting incident. At that point,
my teenage son, one of my teenage sons opened the door to go out with friends and saw in our
street. It was full of police cars who had responded to a false report of gunshots and raised
voices in my home. I was very, very grateful that I had Supreme Court police outside my home
because they were able to stop and meet with and explain to the county police that it had been a
false alarm. And so the police did not actually attempt to enter our home. You can pause it right
there. So by the way, devastating. This should not be happening. Nobody should have to go through
is especially Amy, who is only in her early 50.
You can tell she's very young, and she's got seven kids.
Her and her husband have seven kids together.
Starting from 25 to 20 to 18, 15, 13, and 12, I believe they have seven kids, if I'm not mistaken,
it's six or seven kids.
Big family.
This shouldn't happen.
However, don't take the job.
Don't take the job.
Because watch what happened when they try to push another guy for the same job and look how he reacted.
Look at the difference.
Go for it.
I'd rather die than withdraw.
Look at Joe Biden how he looks at him.
If they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me.
Just watch this. Wait for it.
So you'd still like to serve on the Supreme Court?
I'd rather die than withdraw from the process.
I don't like bullies. Listen.
Say it.
Look at Biden.
Not for the purpose of serving on the Supreme Court,
but for the purpose of not being driven out of this process.
Wait for it.
I would not be scared.
I don't like bullies.
Bingo.
I've never run from bullies.
I never cry uncle, and I'm not going to cry uncle today,
whether I want to be on the Supreme Court or not.
So I thought...
I love him.
So you see the difference there.
So here's the thing.
So one could sit there and say, well, why don't you sympathize with her?
We do.
But this is a very, very important job.
If you want to go to my Twitter account, what I said about it,
I mean, I'll just pull it up here on what I have,
is if this job comes with...
threats. This job is risky. This job has a lot of pressure. This job isn't for everybody. But if you're
scared for your life, then quit. My suggestion, Amy Coney Barrett should resign and step out of the way.
You should. And by the way, we shouldn't judge her for it. It shouldn't be like, she's a
quitter. No, no. If you realize, you're in a side, I had a guy one time, he told me this and I'll
I'll come to you guys because I want to hear your thoughts.
And to me, this is the most important story.
You know why this is the most important story?
What have we learned in the last six years?
Who has all the power in America?
Supreme Court.
There is no story big than this in my opinion.
If all of a sudden they scared a crap out of you go from 81% conservative to 50%
step the hell out of the way.
One time a guy who was on my board, he said to me, he says,
Pat, I can't do these board meetings anymore.
I said, why not?
It's because I'm getting anxiety.
I said, really?
He says, I'm not even comfortable presenting
in front of the board. It makes me really nervous. I said, no problem. Let's have a meeting. I said,
which part of it? And we had a cordial conversation. One of the best employees ever had
in my life, by the way, phenomenal, one of the best employees ever had of my life. But we sat down
we had a conversation. We removed the responsibility, gave it to somebody else, and he crushed
the responsibilities that were left with him. That's okay. It's okay if Amy Coney-Barritt says,
this is too much pressure. Resign. But if you're going to vote in a different way, because they're
scaring you, you're impacting the people who this is going to affect for the next few decades,
few decades, few decades.
Yesterday, Rogan and Vance were speaking, and one of the things that came up was that
Rogan said, it's almost as if Democrats want to be able to cheat because who has a hard time
giving IDs out?
Joe is saying this, very common sense conversation with Vance.
And he says, you know, even during what do you call it, COVID, they wanted me to have a vaccine
card, ID card. I think he's saying something like that. What's the big deal? These are the types of
things that Amy Coney Barrett impacts? I'm sorry, I have a very hard time. Call me black and white,
whatever you want to call me. This job's not for everybody. Get a Josh Hawley in there.
Get a, get a Cruz in there. Get a, who's the guy I like the most? Trey Gowdy. Get a Trey Gowdy in
there. Amen. Get some of these guys in there. By the way, if Trey says, I don't want to do,
because I talk to Trey wants too much pressure. Don't do it. But get some.
somebody in there that wants the job and knows the threats that comes with. I'll pause. I've
been going on rant for a while. Tom, your thoughts on this. Well, first, I've got some facts for people.
Threats against senators, congressmen, and Supreme Court justices. Apparently, the FBI
investigates 20-some threats that may be credible threats a week. In other words,
lunatic sends an email or they intercept something, but nothing comes a bit. The person was just
blowing off steam, make some comment.
That seems pretty regular.
Do you know how many actual assassination attempts
against Supreme Court justice there have been?
Three.
The first happened in 1889, and it was Supreme Court Justice, Stephen Field.
He was tracked and being stalked,
and so he hired a security guard,
and at a train station in California,
he was attacked by the stalker
and the security guard, 1889,
with a Colt 45 shot him dead.
It was a bona fide assassination attempt.
The next one would happen
a hundred years later
Harry Blackmun
Who's Harry Blackman?
The author of Rovey Wade
In 1985
A bullet was fired through a window of his house
From an assailant outside that fled
But it was a bona fide assassination attempt
Apparently the guy was trying to follow the shadow of him
You know even if you have the curtains pulled pat
They can see your shadow walking
He was he was trying to make the hit
So it wasn't just a drive-by
It was a bona fide attempt.
And he was the Ravi Wade author.
You know when the next one happened?
2022.
It was Brent Kavanaugh.
Brett Kavanaugh, Nick Roski, traveled from California,
had a Glock, pepper spray, map of Kavanaugh's house,
overview of police detail, zip ties.
So he was ready to do it.
Apparently he had a mental breakdown,
and he called 911 on himself, Pat.
So thank goodness, whatever happened there.
Now, Dobbs leak happened in early 2022 before the Kavanaugh.
This guy was triggered by Dobbs and went to Kavanaugh's house.
And Amy Komi Barrett, when was she confirmed?
October of 2020.
Remember what went down with that?
Is that Trump 45 got her done just two weeks before the election.
and there was all the controversy for the Senate,
but the Senate got her done 20 for the election.
Why do I bring this up?
She knew she was coming into a really hot time
and a really intense time,
not only for America, but to be on the Supreme Court.
And then to see what's happened with Kavanaugh,
that was a bona fide threat.
That could have gone very, very badly.
And I agree with you,
look, if the situation is just so intense,
right now. And there is no shame in saying, zero. I can't put my, and by the way, imagine her
with all those children. How do I get security for every school, every date, every athletic
event they go to to protect all of my children and my family? And it may just be something that
she says, I can't do it. But what's interesting, we're entering into a time now, thanks to Dobbs
and other things. We've only had three of those full attempts on record and one, the bodyguard.
1889 shot the guy, but we live in a different world now.
Vinnie. And mother, she's the only female
SCOTUS, correct? All the ones, Ketanji Brown and all the other ones,
they're all left. They're all Democrats, correct?
Oh, yeah, she's the only conservative. So she's the only one,
and it's sad, but I mean...
There was Sandra Day O'Connor. And Tom, how many times?
How, I've been on this podcast, Pat, for what, four years now?
Is it just me? I'm not saying the other side,
the Republican conservative side isn't violent. There's crazy people
everywhere. But when it comes to this type of stuff,
it's as if it's only coming
from one side. The Supreme Court
exists for what? It's not as if.
Keep on your thought, but I got to interrupt you and say
it's not as if it is.
Okay, thank you, Tom. What's its job,
Tom? Supreme Court. Uphold the
Constitution not to bend
to intimidation, okay?
If a violent threat could change
the way that you're deciding rules, Pat,
then the mob has the power of
the law, and that cannot freaking happen. That's why
I love that you said, with all due respect,
you can't take the heat you have to get out of the kitchen
and I feel so bad for you think we're happy
that her 12 year old has to sit there and go
hey what's that and she's like oh it's a bulletproof vest
because they want to kill mommy okay but if fears
influencing your judgment you have no business to be
in the highest court in the country you made a great point
I think it was like two weeks ago pat where you're like
at the end of the day with all the noise and all the fluff
when it comes down to these people they're making the decisions
and when it comes to the serious ones
they're kind of leaning towards the right decision
with the decision, Tom, or six, you know, six three or whatever, whatever the number is.
But we cannot let these people win.
And how many times, Tom, every time we're trying to do something to help the country,
interfering with the ICE agents, murdering of Charlie Kirk, God rest of soul.
Even on their own side, remember Melissa Hortman?
She tried to vote against giving illegals health care.
They shot and killed her at her house.
And who's doing it?
You think a Republican did it?
No, it's people of the same freaking party, Pat.
So if that kind of behavior succeeds in changing Supreme Court decisions, then the rule of law is under attack.
And we can't, we can't do it.
And I'm sorry.
And the Senate election is more important than ever.
Put DeSantis, get a DeSantis in there.
This job is a risky job.
Yeah.
This is not for everybody.
I fully understand Amy.
I get it.
If she was my wife, I would say, babe, hey, if you're going and kids are not safe and this is what's happening, hey, let's figure something out.
So, Adam, your thoughts?
Well, PPD, I think it's actually a very important discussion.
We don't really talk about the Supreme Court all that often Trump gets all the media attention, Iran, everything that's going on.
But I think you bring up a very interesting conversation.
So we may be respectfully being a little unfair to her because if you look at her voting record,
she's actually pretty damn conservative.
I mean, the way that it goes, Tom kind of broke it down.
There's nine justices at the Supreme Court.
You have the conservative wing and the liberal wing.
The conservatives by far are Clarence Thomas.
He's like 10 out of 10 conservative.
And then you got Alito who's like right behind him.
Interestingly enough, the next conservative, if you look at their voting record, goes Gorsuch.
Then Amy Comey Barrett, then Kavanaugh, having a beer with him would be fun.
Then what they call, like, center right, Justice Roberts.
And then center right.
Then you have this huge wide gap between the three female liberal judges,
Elena Kagan, Katanji Brown Jackson, sorry, Ms. Jackson, and Sotomayor,
who's like the most liberal Obama inductee ever.
But here's what I see.
I see six conservatives, legit, some are center right, and three liberals.
I understand this is a tough job.
And, you know, PPD, you always say, what's the number one job of a mom, a mama bear,
safety and security of her kids.
If she feels threatened for her kids,
maybe she could consider stepping down.
But as far as what she's done for the country,
as far as her voting rights,
abortion, affirmative action,
Second Amendment, religious liberties,
parents not transing their kids.
She's been pretty damn conservative,
so I'll tip my cap to her on that.
But the Doppah, the Dab's decision, though,
was roll V-Way.
I think Adam missed the first three minutes
of the clip that we had.
Where the main analysis is
how it changed.
So maybe you went on chat, GPTN said, who's the most conservative?
After Dobbs, it changed.
Guy, after Dobbs, it changed.
Dobbs was what year?
Did you see the dates?
So she may have been very conservative pre.
Nope.
After Dobbs, June 22, she got in October of 20.
After that, she dropped off.
So, you know, if that, when you see numbers like that,
because of an event that takes place,
I'm going to sit there and have serious conversations with you
and see, and by the way, how often has a Supreme Court justice
step down and reside?
How many times has that happened on the past?
Would they just, and not because of anything controversial,
for family reasons, for non-controversial reasons?
How many times have Supreme Court justice resign
for non-controversial reasons?
Yeah, normally it's just age.
Yeah, I don't know if it's happened or not,
but guess what?
this may be a good time for us to consider this.
Okay, there's been 116 different people that have served the Supreme Court.
107 are no longer serving, 109, which might 9.
So if you mean true resignations, not retirement, zoom in a little bit,
John Jay, well, that's a long time ago, 1795.
Yeah.
Oliver Ellsworth.
Tom's great, great, uncle.
Who?
Chief John.
Wow, Tom.
Your great-grandfather.
Charles Evan Hughes, 1916, to run for president.
president. Abe Ford is
1969 amid ethics
controversy. I'm not looking for that. So the short
answer is, most left
through retirement. Genuine
resignations are uncommon. Well,
let us be the first one. Let us
be the first one. Or
get hardcore security
and go back to the way
you truly vote, not letting the
other people scare the crap out of you
where, you know, when it comes on to
birthright
citizenship, it's that complicated
of an issue for you to vote against for.
That's not, you know, or voter idea or other things.
Anyway, so to me, the biggest concern with the story is her way of voting changed after
Dobbs because the threats that she got.
And that cannot happen.
You can't have something like that happen.
Adam.
I hear you loud and clear.
Yes, I did hear the first three minutes, sir.
I'm just asking a simple question.
You know, they say like correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
Did it actually change after that or did the cases change?
showed you the numbers. Because what's that? I just showed you the numbers right there.
No, meaning did the cases change to the point where she's like, because look, here's what I know,
and this is not the hill I'm going to die, and I promise you this, her mentor is who,
Anton Scalia, very conservative guy. What they basically say about this lady, this conservative justice,
is that she's reliably, reliably conservative, but she's unpredictable. Actually want that in a justice
where they're not just voting across party lines. I don't have a problem with unpredictability.
Is it fair to say that the Dobbs decision was the most controversial decision we had the last 20 years?
The last 50 years.
Is it fair to say?
So how many people were furious over the Dobbs decision?
A lot of people.
Well, guess what?
Maybe it's scared a crap out of her.
You know, and you're laying in bed at night with your husband saying,
babe, I don't know if this is that worth it.
You know, maybe let's pump the brakes a little bit.
Maybe let's, it's not worth to have the risk for the kids.
You don't think those types of conversations happen at that?
when you're laying next to your wife and your husband, like, hey, let's change it.
You don't think they're doing it?
Of course that conversation took place.
100%.
Of course it did.
Do you think?
And they're at home talking about Kavanaugh.
How was work today?
Yeah.
Brett Kavanaugh, a guy was at his house.
He had everything he had made.
He had a map of the house.
Don't take the job.
Oh my gosh, honey.
It sucks.
Oh my God.
You know, the president got, there was assassination, tempt on him.
He's the freaking president.
Oh, my God.
You know, such and such.
They try to foul him.
Hey, did you see the Detroit Pistons try to hurt.
Michael Jordan. Yes, don't come through the middle. Oh, my God. That's just not, yeah. It kind of
what happens when you get that kind of a, so yeah, to me, I'm just, I think, I think it's something that
she ought to consider and move on and have her life where I'm at with this. Okay, let's go to the next
story. The Senate is vital in November. Next story. Tonight, Trump's speech. A lot of people are saying,
what's the guy going to be talking about? You know, what's he going to be saying? All of a sudden,
he's giving a speech on Thursday. Yesterday, he puts a tweet out about Iran released a
girl that was a hostage is over here now and he says hey this is a good move this was under
Biden but now is this and then they bombed them there's attacks all this stuff that's going on so
what is a speech going to be about well apparently the speech is yeah right there iran has allowed
an american citizen who was wrongfully detained in december of 2024 for the president of sleepy
joe biden to leave the country she is now safely outside of iran and is in good condition the
united states america appreciates this gesture of goodwill from iran okay so where's that going
But let me read this to you so we kind of have an idea. So Trump is to address Iran,
do you guys see my glasses? And here we go. Trump to address Iran election integrity
in prime time speech tonight. This is an axiose story. President Trump prime time speech
Thursday night from the White House is slated to include election integrity and update on
Iran, whatever else he seems important to Messini advisor to tell Axios, it will be a pot-per-re
dough ever available to reporters. Trump hasn't given many primetime direct-to-camera speeches from the
White House. He wants to do more of them. The advisor said Trump announced on Truth Social on Monday
that he plans to give a speech to the nation on Thursday at 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. The specifics
beyond that were in the White House and the expect topics are less certain, but two issues are on top of
mind, Iran, election integrity. Tom, what do you know about the speech tonight?
So this wasn't leaked. The White House wants to make sure that people know that those are going to be
the two core things. And they're trying to get out in front of all the armchair quarterbacking,
which I think is smart. I think it's smart for the president to let a reliable news outlet,
you know, know that the general outline of what he's going, because you want, you know,
Americans to tune in. What's he going to talk? I'm talking about Iran. I'm talking about election
integrity. And I think what's what's really coming up here is also is to talk if he's going to talk
about election integrity, he's got to talk about what everybody has been talking about the last week.
Even people that are moderate and not necessarily a full conservative have been on CNBC talking about
now we know this was an absolute fraud. What do you networks say about it? Chammoth was on saying
that on CNBC calling the networks out. So I think this is.
this is good news to hear.
It makes me want to tune in
and hear what my president has to say
about election integrity, about November.
How are we going to keep November lined up?
And then also we hear about Georgia
that maybe Oshoff and Warnock,
maybe they were, maybe they weren't.
Maybe there are some oddities.
I'm going to call them oddities,
so we don't get a letter
that were in the electoral system there.
And maybe they would have won.
Maybe they wouldn't.
Who knows?
But Georgia, a little iffy.
I love the fact that he's going to be talking about
it, but overall, I want him to be talking about somewhere in this is not only talk about
Iran and not only talk about the election, but also talk about affordability.
Yeah, and by the way, it's interesting.
You're saying that because Asaf says Trump has Georgia election obsession.
He said Trump fears losing the midterms and will re-heat, debunked election conspiracy theories
to deny his 2020 defeat and attack voting rights.
He argued that renewed fraud claims would force Collins to embrace theories that have performed
poorly in general election.
Trump's obsession with Georgia election revealed his fury that black voters were instrumental to his defeat.
Also said while seeking support for voter protection and an FBI investigation of Fulton County is ongoing.
A judge recently rejected a Justice Department subpoena seeking an extensive personal information
about thousands of Fulton County election workers and volunteers calling it a staggering overreach.
A judge said the statute of limitations has expired and a request covered an unjustifiably brought, period.
Adam, your thoughts on this?
So the speech is going to be tonight, correct?
9 p.m.
Okay, so we don't know exactly what he's going to say.
But you know the one thing that I find interesting?
We talk about Iran.
We talk about United States.
You know who we don't often talk about the most?
Are Iran's neighbors?
So we often hear about, you know, Israel, U.S. versus Iran.
Here's what I think Trump is doing.
I think he's basically saying, hey, guys, Oman, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi, Lebanon, Syria,
all these countries, it says, you got to pick aside at this point, guys.
Because, you know, they say, clean up your neighborhood,
clean up your house before you start telling other people what to do.
This neighborhood has basically been abducted by Iran's radical philosophy.
And what Trump has done is made all these Middle Eastern Arab countries pick aside.
So what have we seen conclusively?
We've seen countries like the UAE aligned fully with America.
And almost Israel, they signed the Abraham Accords.
Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi even.
My opinion is some of these countries are going to recognize Israel is actually not the bad guy.
Iran is the bad guy.
We should really, really consider signing the Abraham Accords.
And let's do everything in our power to basically snuff out Iran, the easy way or the hard way.
But the end of the day, Iran's got to go.
The IRGC's got to go.
And the Middle Eastern countries got to step up in order to do it.
Vinny.
Listen, if my opinion, Pat, there's no reason that he, because it,
They've reported the CIA is going to be there.
Radcliffe is going to be there, FBI, O'DNI, DHS.
This isn't going to be some rinky-dink, you know,
speech about me and Tom talked about this yesterday, Pat.
I think it's going to be serious.
And you know what's serious when people like AOC in the left don't want it to come out.
They have an ethical obligation that networks not to air his speech.
So they know what's coming.
Okay.
And if I had to guess, and this is my opinion, Pat,
the allegations are going to be about China and their involvement.
Tom, you mentioned Warnock and also, Pat.
I've been saying this for years, I know I've been saying it on this podcast.
I believe, my opinion, that China is our enemy.
They're not our adversary.
They're our enemy.
And I think the deep state with them, you want to talk about collusion?
I think COVID wasn't by accident.
It was released on purpose, Pat, because of the attitude that Trump had towards China,
with the trade, with the tariffs.
And all of a sudden, in an election year, Tommy,
a freaking virus comes out of a lab that Fauci, who got a freaking blanket 10-year pardon
comes out and nobody gets in trouble for it.
I think that's what's going to happen, Pat,
and I think it's going to be tied to somewhat with the SAVAC
because let's just be honest.
The left cheats, and if they're not going to win,
that's why the SAVE Act is not getting passed.
They don't want to have any ideas for any voters.
Pat, and guess what?
If they don't like you, they will threaten you,
they will try to assassinate you,
look at Trump, and look at even our Supreme Court justices
as we just had that conversation.
They will threaten you and try to scare you into voting and helping them out.
Yeah, I agree. I agree.
I think I can I ask you a question, Pat?
Go forward.
I was just going to show what AOC said here.
If you want to play this clip, AOC on Trump and then Adam, I'll come to you.
Go for it.
Watch this, folks.
Speech.
He's basically doing made-for-TV broadcast about election.
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I don't think that we should be contributing to any platform.
And so I think that, you know, I mean, many of,
she's so smart.
Many news outlets oftentimes may receive transcripts.
And I think that we have an ethical obligation to not air things that undermine our election
that are not rooted in evidence.
In fact, did you hear how, by the, did you guys notice Adam not to go up really fast?
the bias in the question.
But that's my just touch.
But it's like they're leading her like all the
conspiracy and everything. She's obviously they're
giving her a softball that she couldn't even hit.
She's bumbling even as an answer.
Adam. Yeah, I agree with Vinny on that.
I want AOC to talk publicly way more often.
I don't hear enough from her because the more that
she talks, she just exposes herself.
I want the DSA out there advocating
trying to rip up the Constitution.
She'll be your candidate.
So people with common sense will say, oh, these people
Let's see. I hope she is. I swear that. But PPD, I could be wrong on this. Why has Trump
continue to go back to the Georgia election fraud situation? There may be something there. I'm not
saying there's not. But do you think that's a winning message while they're going into midterms?
Do you think that's what the average voter cares about at this point? Well, you know,
they say he's playing 3D chess. What do you think Trump is doing on this?
Well, I mean, you have to realize he got one of the big things that they wanted a pass that didn't
passed and it was voter ID. And yesterday, J.D. Vance is on Rogan and one of the main topics is what,
voter ID. Yes. And so why are they talking about voter ID? Why is that coming? Here's a clip if you want to
play it. Watch this. And I think they cheat. And I think they've been doing it forever. And I don't think
there's any other reason why you would have no voter ID. And they try to say, oh, it's racist to have
voter ID. Like, what are you talking about? Do you think other races are incapable of going to the DMV? That's
insane. That's racist.
It's actually super racist.
The implication of their argument
is literally like blacks and Hispanics
cannot go to the DMV to get an ID.
By the way, if you look at the polling,
black Americans are as pro-voter ID.
Even though most black Americans vote Democrat,
they're still pro-voter ID
as much as White Americans.
So you're asking a question,
why is he going back to Georgia?
So go to the
seven states that are going to matter,
right? Go to
what happened with Asov being somebody that potentially could be a candidate on the left.
You keep hearing about this guy named Asov who's a rising star, that name is coming up all the
flipping time. This guy's a sequencing guy. He's not doing this for the hell of it. Voter ID
didn't go through. Midterms are around the corner. And if they have something, well, then show it.
Show it if they have something. If they have something, show it. But if they keep going to it
without being able to show anything, it's going to be, it's going to backfire on them. So maybe they
have something today because one of the things they're talking about is an executive decision that
he may be making tonight that he's announcing. And no one really fully knows what that's going to be
about. And Pat, just and Adam, why it's so important? Republican Georgia, you know why it's so significant
in 2020? The margin was 12,000 votes. Like, that's not something small. And if you look back,
they were covering up the voting thing. They didn't want people to look at the voters, all the late
night drops. And by the going back to COVID, Kobe was just a mail-in ballot freaking scam.
It's like, dude, it's very, very important.
And I know, and again, I saw the parts of the podcast with Joe.
He's right.
They're cheating, bro.
If you don't want people to see you voting, I mean, counting the votes, you're hiding something.
You're cheating.
If you don't want to check people's ID and you had an open border for four years, give me another excuse.
Give me something that's not cheating.
Like, bring in 8 million people and then it's illegal to ask for their IDs.
It's simple.
For me, for me, voter ID is a top three issue.
I agree with you all that.
No doubt.
So for him, he has to keep that in there lingering for that to eventually click.
If I asked him eight years ago, do you think Dobbs is ever going to pass and change?
I'm willing to bet 80% would say, hell no.
Guess what?
He pulled that off.
Not easy.
Amy Coney Barrett was a part of that.
And now he has to create a little bit more pressure for people to say, you know,
I think something could happen with that.
By the way, based on Cali, here's what Cali has on what he's going to be talking about tonight.
It's $723,000.
If you haven't placed a position, you may want to go on Calci and take a look at this and create an account.
But what is at the top?
At the top, it's what?
What's the blue?
Elections, 97% chance he's going to talk about election.
Save America Act.
Makes sense to me.
Democrats, Chinese, China, Biden, deal, settle, nuclear oil, communist, communism, Venezuela.
hottest, oh, these are words that he's going to be using the most, that is so funny.
The hottest country in the world.
Huge is not on there?
Alien block it.
I'm surprised huge didn't make it.
I'm surprised huge didn't make it.
Adam, did you have a follow-up or?
No, I just, number one, you answered my question because I think I said what you're saying is it's a means to an end.
It's really not about the Georgia thing.
No, it's not.
It's, hey, the Georgia opens the window to talking about the save.
I think that's what you said.
I think so.
I agree.
It's a good question you're asking.
And I think.
I would do that.
If I'm in a position like that, I'm going to be like, guys, no, no, no, this story can't go away.
No, no, keep it in there.
Keep it in there.
Keep the mouthpieces debating this and arguing this.
Let's keep that story going.
That's what I think.
Let's go to the next one.
Next one I'm going to get into is open AI allegedly stole from Apple.
And they're calling this industrial espionage.
That was the word that Tom was using.
He's like, Pat, this is industrial espionage.
And so it's a very big story.
Let me, I'll go through the addendum first, and I'll go to the other one.
I think page 24 is that the one time.
What page do you have it on on this?
This is a massive, massive story.
Main 10 is where it starts.
For you, it's Main 10.
See, I don't have it on my main 10.
Can I get your notes?
Mine doesn't say Main 10.
So I went to Main 10 and I don't have it.
Which one do you have as Main 10?
Okay, let me read this to you.
Apple sues Open AI alleging trade secret theft,
The scheme was at every level.
CNBC's story.
Apple on Friday stood open AI in federal court in North and California,
alleging trade secret theft,
saying that the artificial intelligence lab took the iPhone's marker,
intellectual property,
in order to develop its own consumer hardware.
This much is clear.
However, at every level from members of its technical staff
to its chief trade secrets and confidential information,
the company said in a legal filing,
it's a shocking reversal for the two companies,
which entered into a high-profile partnership in 2020,
when Chad GPD was integrated into the iPhone's operating system,
Open AI CEO Sam Altman visited Apple's headquarters for the announcement,
but relations between the two companies have Chilts,
since Open AI announced plans to enter the hardware industry last year
when it bought former Apple designer John IVE startup called I.O. product for $6.4 billion.
Apple's updated version of its serious system,
which is coming out this fall, is based on Google's,
Gemini models instead of Chad GPD.
Most of Apple's allegations involve former employees who have interviewed,
who with or join OpenAIA, Apple alleges that OpenAIs chief hardware officer,
Tank Tan, who is a former Apple vice president,
has directed Apple employees interviewing at Open AI to share Apple secrets
as part of the interviewing process.
What?
He has directed job candidates still working at Apple to bring actual parts from Apple to their
interviews for show and tell sessions,
in which he and his team at OpenAI
can elicit still more Apple confidential information
Apple set in the filing.
That is insane.
Tom, your thoughts on the story.
So this is going to get really, really big.
And the question is going to be,
who's got the biggest lobbyist
or the biggest proxy balls
with the Department of Justice
and the Department of and the Federal Trade Commission?
I'll tell you why.
So on one hand, they're saying,
oh, no, no, no in an interview.
like I'm interviewing you, Pat.
Yep.
Hey, Pat, you know, you worked at Apple.
Tell me about some of the projects you worked on.
Did you really work on it?
Were you involved?
Are you some, right?
Those are fine questions.
Yes, right.
On your resume here, it says you directed the project.
Did you direct it or were you just involved?
I was, I directed the project.
These are standard interview, right?
You're sorting it out because, you know, Vinny,
some people say they did more than they did.
Of course.
Well, the line gets crossed is,
do you have any schematics or anything?
And the allegations are people were encouraging,
to come to the meeting with printouts or other schematics or things to talk about what they did.
And then all of a sudden, Open AI, allegedly, had suddenly you're in an interview with 10 people.
Supposedly.
So if that's what happened, that's bad.
What's even worse is there are allegations of documentation that they said, hey, Vinnie, Pat,
you know, when you leave Apple, the following three things are going to happen on your laptop with the security team.
if you do this, this, and this, you can evade the security detection if you want to, you know,
bring any of that with you.
Here's what's dangerous about this.
What kind of salaries that we've been hearing about top hires in Silicon Valley?
We've been talking about it.
Ridiculous.
Ridicrous.
Daniel White in an interview the other day said he sits on a board of meta.
He says, Mark Zuckerberg is the biggest badass I met of my life.
Dana said in an interview, he paid four engineers a $65 million your salary.
What?
Did you hear what I just said?
Four.
Okay, can you find this clip?
Meta says four employees.
That's the one right there.
Play that clip?
Can you watch us, folks?
No sound.
I just got back from the meta board meeting.
Zuckerberg, who was a brilliant,
gangster, this guy.
Yes, sir.
Gangster.
These people who try to talk about him and everything else.
I'm so blown away and impressed by this guy.
He's an animal.
And putting all the chips in on AI.
We just hired, like,
10 kids that are age 22 to 28,
the average salary is like $65 million.
These kids are making that are coming and working on AI.
And they don't have to flop.
You know, hear a lot of negativity about AI.
There's way more positives about AI than negative.
22 to 28 years old, average salary, $65 million.
So when they're trying to hire you in open AI.
There's a war going on right now in Silicon Valley.
So this is what I'm talking about.
So basically, the allegation that's even worse,
It's bad enough to say, you know, tell me what you did at Apple.
Interview question.
Hey, bring a couple things with you and show them to them.
And all of a sudden you have a panel interview.
That's bad.
That's illegal.
You're putting the applicant in bad situation.
And if that's the way it happened, that sort of thing would be illegal.
I'm not the judge and jury on this.
But then there had been documents and emails found where they told them exactly how to evade
Apple security when you leave your job and come over here.
And you're talking about, we don't know what the salaries are, but what's
Dana White was just talking about is just how big the war is for talent.
It is a real war.
And so this thing, this industrial espionage, this is going to be huge.
The last time we've seen things this huge, you know, we had a giant one that happened
in Formula One where Ferrari guys, McLaren guys stole secrets from Ferrari guys.
They told the Ferrari guys to go have them printed out at Kinkos when there was at Kinkos.
And then the McLaren guys went in there and fake the ID and picked them up.
So it was just, it's crazy.
but industrial estimates has been going on for a while but this is huge what's also big is a number of
people that are lining up against sam altman including elan musk you have the clip of what he said about
elin musk elin is not a fan of sam at all he calls him scam altman yeah he is not always match
yeah he's not adam your thoughts on this yeah you guys uh you're absolutely right with the elon thing
you know when did uh chat gb t open eye came out i think november of 2022 does that make sense
Since then, I feel like everything with Sam Altman has been drama and beef.
You bring up the Elon Mustang.
He calls him what scam Altman?
It's interesting.
Do you remember, I think Tommy, remember this?
He was CEO.
He was fired, then rehired.
There was also like, there was almost like a revolt within the company.
Yeah, he meaning Sam.
That's right.
Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson interviewed him and basically kind of was like,
did you murder one of your employees?
He's like, what are you insinuating right here?
This Balaji guy, if you remember that.
Yeah, of course.
It was a suicide. It was a delivery. Weird situation. I'm making zero accusations.
I'm saying that's what Tucker did. But now it's not even Apple that's suing him.
Apparently there's all these copyright infringements, publishers, artists, musicians, authors, everything.
There's privacy concerns. Sam Altman, he's got some explaining to do, as they say.
By the way, can you give me a favor? And this is just the latest thing with Apple.
And it's around mainly one guy. Can you pull up Tang Tang? A great name.
Tang.
It's almost related to Fang Fang.
No, no.
The first one, yeah, you go.
So who is Tank Tank?
So let me kind of give you an idea.
Can you go to images on who this guy is?
Go to images?
Tang, tank, spend 24 years at Apple.
No, the second one is not Tang.
Not the second G.
The first one is Tang.
The second one is missing a G.
There you go.
Take the G out.
There you go.
So that guy right there.
Go to all and go to his Wikipedia.
Spent 24 years at Apple.
This is the main guy, the lawsuit just everybody knows.
He joined Apple in the early 2000s,
became one of the company's top hardware executives,
was widely regarded as part of generational leaders
who helped shape the iPhone
after Steve Jobs. This is a heavyweight.
Damn. This guy's a heavy weight. He helped oversee iPhone
and Apple Watch hardware.
Responsibilities included engineering and product design.
He was one of Apple's highest ranking hardware leaders.
They have a score like, you know how in the military,
there's Sergeant Major, General, Be My Little General,
Brigadier General's a 1 star, Major General's a 2 star,
Lieutenant General, Lieutenant 3 star, and then General is a 4 star, right?
So this guy's one of the heavyweights there.
then he left Apple in 24, and he joins Johnny Ives new hardware company,
which Open AI, you heard just bought for $6.4 billion.
Open AI requires it, and so why is the important?
Open AI wants to build AI device that could someday compete with the iPhone,
and so Apple is suing because they're saying you're taking this away.
So this guy is the main figurehead in this discussion.
So it's interesting.
It's kind of like what happened with when Jake Paul, I believe,
recruited Dana White's former CFO that went to him.
I don't know if you remember that or not.
Jake Paul recruited him Armenian guy.
He recruited the Armenian guy.
Go-looking guy, got that red jacket on.
He's got a, it's kind of like a power player.
These types of things happen right there.
Nakisha Bidaryan, who left there.
He was a former UFC CFO from 11 to 2016 and helped orchestrate the historic $4 billion
out of Selt to Endeavor.
So he then goes and joins Jake Paul.
When this kind of stuff happens, it happens to us.
It happens to everybody.
It's just, it's going to stuff like this happens.
But it's a real, real war that is taking place.
The problem is the following.
Tom, here's the question I got for you.
What major investor influencer that people respect is siding with Sam Altman?
Who is the person that's defending Kim?
I'm not seeing it.
I mean, CNBC.
Microsoft, because they own it.
But outside of that, I'm saying what other, Microsoft is involved with Open AI,
if I'm not mistaken.
I'm talking about what major mainstream critic is sitting out there and saying,
oh, Sam Alton's a good guy.
They're doing the right thing.
Who's on his side?
I'm,
I haven't seen one.
I'm not seeing it.
Can't go like that for too long.
You know, it's kind of like, you know what open eyes reminding me of?
Open air is kind of like what Israel's going through.
Oh, wow.
Open eyes losing the propaganda war.
And guess what?
People don't like you.
They're not liking what.
you're doing and you can sit there and do whatever you want and act like you're all high and mighty
and keep talking trash to Elon and people like Elon and people don't like you so then the question becomes
what no major tech CEO or companies has loudly backed Altman Open AI in the specific disputes that's not good
that's not good you have to be good at building relationships behind closed doors for people to defend you
That's horrible.
So that means
it's kind of like I work out of place
and let's just say something happens, I leave.
No one at the previous company is willing to vouch for me.
They don't like me.
That's not a good thing for you to do.
And the only people do are the people that are no longer at the company.
You have to have people that vouch for you
but people to say, when I left the previous company
and I started PhP, there were a lot of people that were still friends with me.
I'm like, hey, you don't have to worry about me taking clients,
me doing this, me, doing.
I never took a single person I love.
I'm like, hey, I'm just taking what I got here.
You guys keep the 7,000 clients.
We went and built our business.
Still, you met Jeff the other day came to the house.
He was part of the company over there.
He was an enemy of mine.
So to me, I think Altman has to,
Altman has what some of these guys have,
which is they're not good with people.
They're so brilliant that they indirectly don't even know it.
They look down at people.
Altman needs to go read how to win friends and influence people 50 times.
Altman needs to go learn how to be better with people, not robots.
You can't befriend robots.
They're your slaves.
You have to befriend people, and he's not good at that.
So Sam, if you're watching this, maybe go watch this one.
And there's another book that I may want to read as well.
Can you go to Power of Ethical Management?
I think the Power of Ethical Management is a good book recommendation for Sam Altman as well.
It's an oldie, but a goodie.
It's 96 pages, I think.
Maybe it's like 100 pages.
Yeah, can you go all the way to the bottom of how many pages it is?
so he can finish it fairly in like a 30-minute sit-down.
What's the number of pages?
144 pages.
I was off by 50 pages.
Small book, good book, but the power of ethical and management.
The final thing here is like, AI is getting a lot of pressure from the government,
and these guys are not dumb and they move faster than the government.
Dean Ball started July 6th of this month with Open AI.
You know who he was from?
He was a White House AI advisor and had a career in public policy.
So now they have a Washington guy.
on there as the head of strategic future at OpenAI, and META hired Dina Powell McCormick,
which was Trump and George W. Bush advisor on economic policy and brought him in January as president
and vice chairman of meta superintelligence. So they are also going out and getting soldiers from
Washington to have to. To help them in the war when the Department of Justice, the Federal Trade
Commission and META, those were two key hires just this July. But let me tell you, though, Tom,
there's a big difference. Who did you just hear right now?
Now going out there and talking about how amazing of a person he is.
What clip did I just play of a guy that's loved and respected
that just edified Mark Zuckerberg for a good minute.
Dana White.
Sam Altman has to go find three Dana White's and put him on his board ASAP.
He has to do that ASAP, ASAP, and pay big money for those people to be sitting on your board.
And people with high Q scores, he has to get some people like that.
And desperately give them stocks, options,
shares, whatever it is to have a big upside.
He's got to go find three people like that.
Can you go a little bit lower of Dana?
Go a little bit lower of Dana.
And you see the pictures that that shows on the bottom right.
Keep going, keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going over.
Okay, click on Joe Rogan real quick.
Click on Rogan real quick.
Just click on Rogan real quick.
I'm sorry, go back and click on Seamore.
Right there.
See more, see more, see more right there.
Click on that.
Get somebody, keep going left.
Keep going left, keep going left, keep going left.
Yeah, you've got to.
to get somebody that's, you got to get like a, get Mr. Beast and give him a billion dollars.
Get Mr. Beast and give him a billion dollars and shares to sit on the board.
I'm being serious, by the way.
I'm actually not, you know, go get a cool factor in there?
Look what sports.
You know who's one of the people that's brought a lot of eyeballs to the entire World Cup?
You know who?
I show speed.
Yeah.
Have you seen how he's crying with Ronaldo?
Hey, please, let me, Lambele.
I need you to beat Messi and I.
Boom.
He posted a clip yesterday.
I show speed posted a clip yesterday at the Argentine.
Do you know how many views this clip got?
Let me tell you, Vinny, you're not going to believe how many clips this thing got.
On YouTube?
On Instagram.
Okay.
I show speed posts a video.
I show speed, posts a video, begging Lamin LeMalle to be messy.
And this is 17 hours ago.
Do you know how many views it got?
I just want you to tell the people how many views it got.
5.9 million, oh, 118 million views.
In how many minutes?
In how many hours?
Can you tell me in how many hours?
17 hours.
So tell me who can get that kind of views.
First one right there.
Watch this.
You're going to say.
That thing got a hundred and 17, 18 million views in 17 hours.
Okay, so pause it right there.
I think Open AI needs to offer Mr. Beast a five-year, one billion dollar comp to just sit
on the board and get two other guys like that.
Because Mr. Bees has got a good following.
He's got to get some people like that.
He's got to get some people like a Dana White, some
major, major power players that have credibility.
And now the question becomes, should Mr. Bees accept it?
Because that's a whole different conversation.
Anyways, let's go to the next story.
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Oh, no, you want to move on? I just have a quick point.
Look, I saw Zuckerberg at the UFC fight.
The guy, we're giving him a little too much credit.
This guy is just finding out that he's a human.
Like, Mark Zuckerberg was an alien slash robot for 20 years,
and all of a sudden, he's becoming cool.
What's my point with Sam Altman?
This guy's been famous for what?
three years, four years,
that,
I Show Speed is a marketing genius.
Sam Altman is an actual genius.
He's just an introverted nerd
like all these Silicon Valley guys.
So eventually, yes, I do think he needs to get
and get someone in there.
What's your point?
I think we're being a little hard on this guy
for being an actual genius nerd
when they're all like that.
That was your point?
You paused and to make that point at him.
This guy said, let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
Is Jeff Bezos a nerd?
Yeah, and it took him 30 years to actually try to become cool.
Oh, no, you don't understand.
This guy is hated by all the nerds right now, all of them, including Tim Cook.
He's hated by Bezos, by Cook.
Maybe it's because he's beating them.
He's not beating them, though.
He's not.
He's lost market shirt to Anthropic more than you would know.
If you go look at what's going on with Anthropic right now, Anthropic is taking his lunch.
They used to be at 80, 90% of the LLM business.
They're not anymore.
people don't like this guy.
You can't move up without being liked and having some people's skills.
No, he is, you know whose vibe he's giving me?
He's given me vibes of SBF when he was coming up
and he thought his shit didn't stink.
That's the vibes he's given me.
Not the criminal stuff.
I'm not going on the finance.
I'm not going from that.
Just the vibe of, let me tell you who I am.
I don't know.
I think he's got to make some adjustments.
my thoughts. Let's go to the next one. Can I make a final point for you that's on this?
Yep.
So I show speed 110 million views in 24 hours. Yep.
You know what the record is for Taylor Swift downloads in the first 24 hours of any song?
Tell me, Tom.
30 million for Ophelia. Let's put that in perspective, to your point. This guy should be big money somewhere.
Yeah, yeah, no, and to me it's just, and the only reason I showed, I show speed is not
complimenting Kim. It's complimenting
Sports Center ESPN FIFA
that they're using this guy to bring eyeballs to
it. It's a smart move.
Open AI needs to go get some
guys like Dana White. That was a point I was making.
Okay, let's get to the next one. Next business
story. Very weird one, guys. IBM, we've heard
about IBM for how many decades, many years. Back
in the days, IBM was Facebook. Back in the days,
IBM was Google. IBM was Microsoft.
IBM was what all these
companies we talk about today.
The first guy was IBM, right?
yesterday IBM's numbers you ready drops 25% in a single day okay 25% in single day let me read these
numbers to you and then Tom I'm going to come to you and Vinny please get your reports ready
I'm so ready you have no idea so IBM ended trading Tuesday down more than 25% it's worse
single day drop since you ready?
Me and Vinnie weren't even born yet.
Okay.
After the company pre-announced earnings that fell below Wall Street expectations,
Blue, Big Blue attributed the results to customers shifting,
spanning away from software and mainframe product and toward AI servers,
memory.
Analytics, analysts had expected IBM to report just at earnings per share EPS of $3.2 on revenue of $17.86 billion.
But the company came up short, posting, adjusting.
at EPS of 2.93 on revenue of $17.2 billion.
And the statement IBM CEO, Arvind Krishna said the company was prepared for a low single-digit
decline in its Z17 mainframe business for the quarter, but the results were far from
worse than projected and are at least partially related to the global memory shortage.
In the last few weeks of June, we saw clients shift their quarterly capital expenditure towards
server, storage, and memory purchase to secure supply-constrained infrastructure.
ahead of expected price increases, he said.
This dynamic impact client buying patterns
while we anticipate some supply chain
related impact in our expectations.
We did not anticipate the magnitude
of the KPEX reprioritization, he added.
IDC's Ashia Natkari,
who leads to firms' enterprise infrastructure global,
research group wrote in a note
that Wall Street's reaction to Kershnard's warning
was likely stronger than warranted.
Tom, your thoughts on this?
Well, first of all, you know what?
Arvin Krishna just didn't do a good earnings report.
He didn't do a good job of putting it together.
Now, they'll tell you, oh, no, no, no, no.
We wrote the release.
We're careful with the comments, and he'd go out there.
But all these comments is what makes stock go up and down on confidence and future guidance.
It's confidence and future guidance.
So, Vinnie, all be head of General Motors.
You be an investor.
Okay.
And you tell me if you're going to tell everybody to sell my shares or buy my shares.
and I'm going to put it in and take all of this technical knowledge,
I'm going to put it in terms you understand.
Yeah, we here at General Motors, we find that people aren't buying corvettes anymore,
and we're having a little trouble at the factory.
We can't get engines, and we don't make EVs and they seem popular.
But everything's okay.
I don't trust you.
Exactly.
So I'm going to take off the techno babble, and that's what IBM said.
We have a product that's going away, mainframes, it's starting to shift.
memory chips are in shortage we can't get them and there's things we don't make you know we got to get to
servers in the sky AI servers so that's what happened but there's something else on the backdrop
that's been frustrating what are the core that makes a company great it's people it's people we're
discovering just we've been sitting here in Rhode Island for a week and a half and we're you know pat
and i've had these conversations about people we need great people doing great things and we see things
that are going on. And we see the danger of, you know, Sam Altman not having a guy that everybody's
rallying around your leader from the outside. IBM has been going through a change. Its own people
are referring to it as Indian business machines rather than international business machines.
Do you know what the wild shift is? So IBM USA, IBM India. Here's a quiz for you. One of them
is 40,000 employees. One of them has 135,000 employees. Which is which?
I think the Indian one has 140.
I think it's the other way around.
India has 135,000 employees.
IBM USA only has 40,000 employees.
It's been shifting.
It's been shifting on H-1Bs.
India, how many job openings?
US and India.
Which number is which?
For IBM.
For IBM.
376 job openings and 282,840 job openings this morning I checked.
In India.
Which one's India?
Which one's USA?
3706. 9x more is India. Correct. India, 2,840 job openings for IBM in India, 376 available in the USA.
People are furious, and there's been a steady flow of people that have been writing on Reddit, not screaming at their employer.
You scream at your previous employer on Facebook or X or something. You can expect to get a letter or get sued, because especially if you disparage them, you do something really bad. That's dumb.
Well, guess what? There are X IBM employees that are on Reddit saying very gently saying, listen, guys,
I just trained two people in India, and then I was laid off a year later, and they gave me six months, salary.
But I basically trained people that were going to replace me.
And we're hearing about it all across IBM.
So it's not just IBM here.
IBM also right now has a loyalty and an overall morale problem.
And they'll probably see this podcast, Pat, and publish a bunch of stuff out there.
But the number of articles and a number of things on Reddit is overwhelming.
There's more to it than just this earnings report.
IBM has got some issues inside, and a lot of people are saying,
maybe I don't want to be here, and there's only 40,000 Americans.
Let me ask this question. Let me ask this question.
My dad worked for IBM in 1960.
Here's a question for you.
They lost $72 billion of market cap in two days.
That's a lot.
$72 billion a market cap.
IBM loss.
Can you pull up their stock?
They lost $72 billion a market cap in two days.
That's a lot of money.
Here's my question for you.
When you read, I've been just in reading mode,
while we're out here.
What is there?
Is that what?
One day, go to five days.
Go to five days.
That's one day.
Go to five days.
Look at that.
I should start buying.
Look at that.
Can you spot when the CEO spoke?
Can you do me a favor?
Go to one year?
Can you go to one year?
Damn.
Okay.
So go to five years.
So it's still higher than what it was five years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They rode the AI wave.
Yeah.
But now.
Yeah.
So then, Tom, here's my question for you with IBM.
What is their flagship product?
what is the product they have that beats everybody else in the marketplace?
It used to be the mainframe computer and high-end consulting to go with the use of the mainframe computer.
Because they have a big-
Not used to.
I want to know today.
What is their flagship product that they're the market leader ahead of everybody?
Do they even have one?
No, they for sure do.
You're not going to be a $200 billion company without having that.
So what is that product up?
Where do they win?
doesn't have a single consumer-style hero product.
IBM Current Story, IBM Z mainframes,
Red Hat, OpenShift, and WatsonX.
I want to know their number one flagship product
that brings a big chunk of the revenue.
Okay, so I just typed in right now.
What are IBM's biggest customers?
Their biggest customer is JPMorgan Chase.
One of IBM's biggest financial customers
uses IBM mainframes, cloud, AI, security, and consulting.
Their annual money that they spend just JPMorgan Chase with IBM
is somewhere around a billion dollars.
Bank of America's number two, they used IBM mainframe software consulting
customers, a few hundred million dollars annually,
Citigroup few hundred million dollars, Verizon few hundred million dollars,
AT&T, few hundred million dollars.
And then you got U.S. federal government uses defense civilian agencies,
cloud consulting, cybersecurity,
billion over multiple contracts.
Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Volkswagen, all of these guys have multi-million dollar contract.
Which product brings the biggest percentage of revenue every year to IBM?
Which product is that?
I want to know.
Because there's a story.
I believe it's the mainframe business.
There's a story of IBM software.
Approximates $8.6 billion in 2026.
This is the transaction processing single largest software category they have.
Number two is the Red Hat's hybrid cloud brings on roughly $7.3 billion in 2025.
And then IBM brought Red Hat for about $34 billion, what they bought in 2019,
betting it would become the bridge between the old enterprise of the amount.
And then consulting, which brings $21 billion.
So consulting is still a big part of IBMs.
Then a mainframe brings $10.6 billion.
So it's interesting where they're going.
It's the mainframe consulting that makes them tons of money.
Yeah, I remember reading a book called,
CEO excellence.
And in the book, if you
remember this, it tells the story of what
Andy Grove did. I don't know if you remember that
Tom. The story with Andy Grove
and where he and
the former CEO
of, former CEO
of what's the company is called?
Is this it there it is? Former
CEO of Intel.
They're sitting there having a conversation
together and Andy Grove,
one of their divisions, I think, went from
$198 million dollars, Vinny, to $2 million.
dollars. Let me say that one more time.
They went from $198 million to
$2 million. One of his divisions.
Of Intel. In this book, this is
how he writes it. The president of the company at this time,
Andy Grove, asked CEO
Gordon Moore, if we got kicked
out and the board brought
in a new CEO, what do you think
they would do? More, the CEO, Gordon
Moore, he's the guy,
he said,
they would get us out of the memory chips game.
Grove stared at him and said,
why shouldn't you and I walk out the door, come back and do it ourselves?
The rest is history.
Intel exited the DRAM memory chips business and staked its future on a new product,
a microprocessor, in doing so, Intel helped usher in the computer age
and had a run-up success that lasted for decades.
I think the scary thing with IBM right now is,
IBM has to kind of ask themselves, what's next?
What is next?
what business do they need to get out of?
What business do they need to get in that they're not?
They've got to make some decisions here
because for you to go through a $72 billion in 48 hours,
and don't get me wrong.
I mean, they're going to be fine.
IBM is IBM.
It's not like tomorrow or something's going to happen to them.
This is more like a two-decade type of a thing
that we're talking about.
Tom, looks like you want to say something.
Yeah, no, and the time you're talking about
is when IBM made a major shift from old mainframes
to new mainframes.
And IBM also created the Wintel standard,
Windows and Intel.
That's exactly the sequence you're talking about.
And it was a big milestone for IBM.
And by the way, Microsoft, there were two guys at IBM.
One of them did not want to give Microsoft the operating system.
Did not.
And the other was Don Estridge did not.
And there was one guy that did.
Don Estridge would die in the Delta Airlines Windshear flight that crashed in Dallas in 1985.
I know this whole story.
There's a whole high school named for him in Boccur Tone.
And when he died, the other guy was left, and he gave the business to Microsoft.
If it's not for that wind shear flight in 1985, IBM would have made its own operating system
because that kicked off Microsoft.
And so IBM shifted at that time to the personal computer.
It ended up being a good move for IBM to shift, but they later got out of the business as it became a commodity.
They were never competing with Apple.
Apple was always the artsy and other side of it and education.
But it was it showed that.
IBM and Lewis Gershner wrote a book teaching an elephant to dance was a great book about IBM.
So I think they'll be back for right now they're in the middle of a shift.
They're another shift and they got to pick aside and they got to move forward.
I'll add something.
I got to be honest with when we first started talking about this, I was like, yeah, I don't really
IBM, whatever, what I realized something is I think this is what you were getting at.
And it's the whole concept of reinventing yourself.
Because to me, IBM is like the guy like Al Bundy who scored four touchdowns in high school.
was like the best player in his town and went on to play college.
But now all these other guys are playing in the NFL and they lapped him.
IBM got lapped.
I mean, look at all the tech companies, Nvidia, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Tesla,
all these big tech companies were started decades after IBM.
So to the average person out there, you might have had success 10 years ago, 20 years ago,
and you're still kind of like, that's me.
I'm that guy.
I'm Al Bundy.
I scored four touchdowns.
I think, Pat, what you're kind of.
kind of getting is you've got to reinvent yourself and you got to be known for one thing.
The fact that we all collectively using our brainpower didn't know what IBM's
flagship product was is a telltale sign.
IBM, you got a problem, buddy.
We're not in this space.
I guarantee you if I ask the people that are in this space that would be able to say it within a heartbeat of who it is.
But again, I think they're going to be fine.
You know, typically when people that are involved in a situation like this, they'll make adjustments.
Hopefully they will.
Let me get to the next story.
Next story I'm going to get into is.
What just happened with New York and data centers, and New York became the first state to come out,
imposed AI data center ban, and a lot of people are conflicted.
And people are saying, wait a minute, am I about to support Hockel for the decision that they're making
and where they're going with this?
Kathy Hockel imposed a one-year moratorium on new data centers requiring at least 50 megawatts of power,
making New York the first state with a statewide ban.
Hockel said hyperscale AI facilities threatened to exceed grid capacity
and pass higher electricity cost to residents.
New York's average residential power price has increased nearly 68% since 2019,
whether that's tied to data centers or not.
That's a different story.
Data centers have faced grown opposition over their electricity
and freshwater consumption with proposed projects,
drawn protests in communities, including Lansing and East Fish Kill.
Environmental groups and Democratic lawmakers praised the pause, arguing the New York need guarantees that data centers will not raise bills, pollute air-water, weaking grid reliability.
A June-Sienna poll found 46% of New Yorkers considered a one-year moratorium beneficial compared to 21% who opposed it,
support cross-party lines with Democratic backing it by 37% points, and Republicans by 13%.
14 state legislators have introduced restrictions on state data centers construction,
but none has enacted a statewide meritorium.
Democratic governors in Maine and Virginia have cautioned against similar bands.
Tom, is this a good thing or a bad thing and why?
This is a bad thing.
And I don't understand what Kathy Hochel is talking about.
I'm sure she's done some good things.
I'll list them here.
Okay, that's a list.
Now I'll go to this part of it.
I'm not trying to be funny,
but I'm honestly saying,
what is Kathy Hokel done for the people of New York in this?
I'm going to make one simple comparison.
Did the United States of America
during the 2020 election
was TikTok taking all of, you know what?
Oh my gosh, they're taking data from our kids' phones
and from us and on family cloud accounts
and TikTok is taking data back to China.
Was that a big deal, Pat?
TikTok.
Yeah, TikTok's taking our data back to China.
Okay, well, then let's not build data centers here.
We'll just use the ones in China.
Really?
Are you insane?
And so she's missing an opportunity here.
And the opportunities when we talk about to come forward
and to build the infrastructure for the state of New York
and to simply do it this way.
I brought it up before.
Data centers, you have to build your own electrical infrastructure
or contribute to the overbuild and
retrofit of ours. Step one. You can put small nukes there. We'll go to the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission and Department of Energy and we'll help you get next generation permits so you can put a
small nuke there. And by the way, one condition, if there's a blizzard or something like that,
you have to be available to switch your power from your nuke onto the grid so you could help citizens
in time of a civil emergency. Step one. Step two, we've got to figure out how do we get different
kinds of cooling? How does the state of New York maybe give some credits to companies that right now,
Pat, there are companies right now that are being hatched and venture funded, trying to figure out
advanced cooling solutions for data centers. You know why? Because if we can make this work and
we could sell it to one, we could sell billions and billions and billions of dollars of next
generation cooling and use less water. It's all out there. She's missing an opportunity to put the
state of New York in a leadership position, but while she's trying to knee jerk and saying,
well, if your power is going up, there's an election coming up, no data centers.
Data centers bad, rather than coming back and saying, hey, we're going to put this on the ballot.
We want you to vote for it.
Data centers in state of New York would be required to build their own power and find
alternative cooling within 36 months of launching.
And by the way, the decibel rating on the outside of the data center can exceed this.
Entrepreneurs, when given constraints, you know what they do?
They invent solutions.
That's what I think.
I think this is a populist move, Pat.
And if you're trying to chase more people out of the state and you're trying, then you make errors on tax.
But if you're trying to do things for people staying in the state, this is not the way to do it,
especially when we were all freaked out about TikTok taking our data.
and now we're going to say no data center here, here and here.
The data's going to go somewhere, folks.
It's going to end up in China.
Yeah.
So the people that agree and disagree, Bernie's Ford, very sympathetic, AOC, environmental groups,
some local community groups, because the noise, land use, stuff like that.
People who are obviously against it is Trump, data center developers, data center coalition,
and many of the business groups and guys that are in the business space,
but if let's just say you so now this becomes one of the decisions where you got to make as a state
and some states are going to be like no to data centers all right guess what opportunity that
creates for some states to say what we are with the following three guidelines that you follow
okay guess what let's take our talents to Miami you know let's take our talents to Tennessee
let's take our talents to Idaho and and what could those restrictions be maybe put it a certain amount
miles away from a nearest city that's got 20,000 population, but you've got to be 20 miles away
from it. You've got to be 40 miles away from it. There's plenty of states that you can go to
and do stuff that has plenty of land that's away from individuals. Adam, where are you at with this,
Adam? Pat, I got to tell you, Tom nailed it. Being anti-AI, being anti-Data Center is like being
anti-Internet in the early 2000s. Yeah, I don't like this internet thing. I don't know with this
email thing is can't have that taking all the energy. It's like, yeah, we're going to change the
world with the internet email get on board. So you can't put the genie back in the bottle. It's inevitable.
So what they're trying to do in New York here is a one-year moratorium. Okay, in one year,
we'll consider doing this. It's inevitable. John Federman said, listen, if you continue to do this,
who's going to win? China's going to win. But New York has a history of doing this. AOC five years ago
It was like, yeah, we don't need high paying jobs from Amazon.
We don't want that here in the Bronx.
Get that out of here.
Mom Dani is doing his best to just take all the wealth out of New York and bring it to Miami.
So thank you for that, Mom Dani.
And now Kathy Hockel is basically saying, I'm going to be an ostrich, put my head in the sand,
pretend that AI and data centers don't exist, play it as the boogeyman to maybe win an election.
But at the end of the day, we all know this is inevitable.
Data centers are coming.
We need this for our country.
if we're going to compete with the rest of the world
and specifically China.
Got it.
So we need this.
All right.
So we'll see.
That's Adam's analysis for us on data centers.
And we'll see what that's going to do for us.
But we'll be hanging tight.
Next story is this same sex refuse to take the baby from a surrogate
because she did not want to abort the baby.
I mean, this is, when I'm reading this story to you,
there's a part of me, it's like, wait a minute,
is this real story that I'm reading?
a real story. So let me give you the facts and then we'll get into it because there's a lot of
angles this can go. So same-sacouz surrogate who refused to abort their two-year-old son
over a minor birth defect. And this is a New York Post story. Vinnie, I'm going to come to you
first on this one. So a Canadian couple is suing the surrogate who carried their two-year-old,
now two-year-old son after she refused their request to terminate the pregnancy over a cleft lip
and possible minor heart defect,
the lawsuit filed in Ontario Superior Court
in May alleges the surrogate failed to keep
the parents adequately informed,
endangered the child, violated confidentiality,
and caused emotional distress.
The filing does not specify damage,
but the surrogate said the couple indicated
they were seeking approximately $600,000.
They didn't get the perfect child.
They wanted, and they threw me away, she said.
The surrogate convinced through IVF,
using a donated egg and embryos,
created with both men's sperm.
Oh, my goodness.
Their relationship deteriorated in June of 2024.
After an ultrasound at 22 weeks
indicated to cleft lip and possible cleft palate and minor heart defects,
citing their surrogacy agreement,
the couple requests on abortion.
The surrogate said she would have terminated a pregnancy
if the child were unlikely to survive
but would not do it for largely cosmetic and treatable condition.
The couple agreed to continue to pregnancy after Mount Sinai.
hospital doctors determined the baby was generally healthy, tensions to resurface when the surrogate insisted on a midwife-assisted home birth, despite the parents' request for hospital delivery. The baby experienced breathing difficulties but recovered after receiving oxygen and was taken to a hospital by ambulance. After taking their son home, the parents ended contact with the surrogate. She sought roughly $10,000 in unpaid expenses, lost wages, transportation costs, and mispension's contributions. When she pursued the dispute in small claims court, she learned the
required arbitration and was subsequently sued for $600,000. Vinnie.
God bless her and good for her, Pat.
This is exactly what happens when we start treating children like freaking property instead of people.
You already know where I stand because me and you're on the same spot against, you know,
the gay couples that are buying these kids and doing all this money and trying to,
I'm not a fan of it at all, okay?
You can sign a contract with a surrogate.
You can enter into legal agreements.
You can negotiate responsibilities and financial obligations.
But the moment that new life is created, it's no longer subject to a contract, okay?
That child that you're doing this and your sperm and his sperm and a woman, that belongs to God now.
And you already know where I stand at.
Every child is made, every one of us, every child is made the image of God.
A cliff lip doesn't erase that, okay?
It doesn't reduce the child's value.
It doesn't justify murdering this thing because,
oh, the dynamics of the kid are not the way that I want it.
Since when did a birth defect become something to look like you get to live or die?
It starts with a cleft lip and then, you know, next is Down syndrome.
Next is something.
Oh, his foot is different.
I don't like it.
They're not custom orders.
This isn't freaking Amazon.
This isn't Bill de Bear.
Okay.
They're not products that can be rejected.
Pat.
Thank God.
Thank God.
And I'm assuming hopefully she's a Christian.
She stood up and she had the courage to stand on her convictions and say no.
okay and because of her that little boy's alive today and i think murder shouldn't be an option
murder should not be an option okay god doesn't give any of us anything that we can't handle okay
and there's surgeries that you can do i i've seen multiple multiple uh websites where doctors that
they can fix they can try to help uh that cleft lip and that's why we have to fight and again
going back to the row row versus wade uh you know dobs and all that stuff if it's not us fighting for
these children. Pat, who's going to do it? They can't speak for themselves. They can't do it.
We have to defend them. Tom, where are you up with this?
Well, let me give you some names here. Jesse Jackson.
Rumored Winston Churchill, Lee Raymond, who is the chairman and CEO of Exxon that built
it in the largest, in the largest, most profitable company in the world at the time.
They all were born with cleft lips. You may not agree with Jesse Jackson or agree with
Lee Raymond, industrialists, and the Winston Churchill thing is a little bit disputed. But what if we just
started erasing people from history or never having them at all? Because when a baby is born, it's
snuffed out because it seemed to be not perfect. Look at the people over time that we wouldn't have
had. By the way, the scans of the sarcophagus seem to indicate that King Tut, possibly not only had a
cleft lip, but a full cleft palate. And so if you want to just, you know, go for
surrogacy and then eliminate people with even the most minor of the defects, you are missing
the opportunity to see how that person grows up under the leadership of loving parents and who
want the child and maybe overcomes the deficiency or a thing like this to just be an just a
absolute beacon to the rest of us on the absolute amazing human spirit of achievement, overcoming
disability and things.
We miss that opportunity.
We miss that episode.
We all look like 1970s,
the Steppford wives
that were all like robotic
and all looked alike.
I'm sorry.
The diversity that is among us
racially, ethnically,
was all ordained by God
and we're missing opportunities.
And this just shows
when you turn having a child
into buying a coach purse
that, oh, this one's got a,
can I get a discount?
This one's got a little defect on it.
It's just, it's disgusting.
me because you're playing with God. You're not playing with us. You're playing with a program
above your pay grade. Yep. Adam. I fully agree with Tom and Vinny. This story is getting me
more upset the more that we talk about it. Because as we're kind of like peeling the onion
and seeing what's going on here, these two gay men designer baby. By the way, the child's
right? The child's a human.
now two years old he might end up hearing the story that his parents wanted him aborted and as
you as you peel back the onion at 22 weeks they wanted her to abort the child because he had a potential
cleft lip is that what it was guys yep and 22 weeks listen you're over halfway there that baby
if you see the image is a full on human at that point this is no longer an embryo you can't even
make the debate do you might by the way do you know what percentage of
abortions are done after 20 weeks, 1%. So the biggest thing here is you have these two gay men who have
no idea what it's like for this woman to be pregnant. She obviously has an emotional attachment to it.
She's like, yeah, I'm not going to abort the baby because it may have a cleft lip. And you can't
just see these gays back, yeah, we want that baby gone. Are you kidding me? And now then they
stiff her for 10 grand because they owed her money. And now they're suing her for 600 grand because
the child that they wanted is alive. This is the most backward story. I'm so glad we're highlighting
this. And I would love to shine a spotlight on these two gay guys with their designer baby.
Yeah, I mean, look, simplest way to do it. Don't allow it. The simplest way to do it is don't allow it.
Don't allow it and make the decision to be different when it comes out to getting babies. I'm not
I've never been comfortable with that. That position for me is not going to change of where I'm at
with it, it's going to stay the same way that it is. So good for the lady, whoever it is.
She is watching, or if you know who she is, shared us with her. She contacts us. I'd love to
find a way to make something good for her. So if you know who she is and she's comfortable being
public, we will keep her name private. I would love to find a way to help her out as she's going
through this challenge in financial times, even if it's something small that we can help her out
with. So I don't know who she is, but if you know her, please have her reach out to us.
By the way, thanks to modern medicine, a child born due to an injury to the mother,
not an illness to the child, at 22 weeks, it's a 35% chance for survival.
So there's a one in three chance that if that baby was born because a mom had some sort of an injury,
the baby wasn't sick, that modern medicine could take it to full survivability and survival.
No, this is devastating when you read these.
We hate to read the story, but we got to read the story.
For people know what's going on out there for us to keep these types of stories out there.
Let me get to the next one here.
Next time I want to get into is a little bit more of a lighthearted story.
It's maybe not for some.
France lost yesterday to Spain.
And not yesterday two days ago.
France, yeah, yeah, France lost to Spain, which I'm not a fan of because Spain to me
is the most boring team that's out there.
I know Tom's a diehard fan of Spain.
Tom loves them.
Not a fan of Spain.
And in Argentina.
It's not an exciting team.
I'm not a soccer guy.
Down 1-0 at the 80-something-minute mark.
And then all of a sudden, Messi gets two assists.
And they end up winning the whole.
whole thing. Two to one. So now the finals are going to be Argentina against Spain, which it's an
interesting matchup. They say all the Muslim countries are officially eliminated from the World Cup.
England is out now. So that was like a massive story when you're talking about England being gone.
But, you know, Lemuel Lamalle is a superstar. And he's a, you know, he's a guy that's very
capable. For the first time, I saw how capable he was and how aggressive he was playing. He went after Embapé. He was not
afraid, but there's a picture of the significance of this that Vinny showed to us early this
morning. Look at this picture, folks. If you go and see this picture, it's messy having a picture
with Lamine Lamal when he was a baby. You almost can't even believe him when you're taking a look
at this. It's messy. It's almost like he's giving him a bath. Did you see this? It's like he's
a daddy. With Lamine Lamal, go right there. So at first when you show me this, I'm like Vinny,
There's no way this is true.
So this is really Lamil Amal at five months old?
Yes, 19 years ago.
Has this been fact checked?
Fact check.
There's a UNICEF charity photo at Camp New
where Lameci was playing for Barcelona.
Pat, families entered a raffle.
Barcelona players were assigned by random lottery
and somehow 20-year-old Messi ended up pairing
with this five-month-old baby
and that's Lamin Namal right there.
And the odds, Pat, go to the odds.
I slacked with the odds.
Guess what the odds?
are of this happening. Some guy broke down everything, Pat, take a wild guess. One in four billion.
One in six hundred and twenty five trillion. This guy did the math.
Zoom in a little bit, Bert. The probability of this happening says you are more than two million
times more likely to win the power ball jackpot than to have the script play out. It's,
it is roughly equivalent to picking one specific second out of the 20 million years.
one in 625 trillion insane and they're facing each other Sunday so so here's here's the question
the challenge is belling camp was on a streak of getting two goals back to back yes they were they're
two inches taller they're faster they're stronger they're younger in every way our you know on paper
england with even cal she had them at 54 to 46 percent of england winning but then some stuff
happen. We can't show any of this stuff. At the end of the game, they're giving a high five,
all this stuff. The legendary clip is where Bellingham is saying stuff to Messi and
Messi eventually goes like this. Okay. No problem. I'm supposed to beat you now and he goes and beats
him. And so, I mean, you just have to realize. Imagine the fans who are like, can you go to the
I Show Speed on his Instagram account? If he go on I ShowSpeets, Instagram account. So he's a big
Rinaldo guy. Massive Ronaldo guy. Cannot stand Messi to save his last.
life. And he is there cheering for England.
Watch this. Just press the first one.
You can show it. It's a public video.
This is England's first goal.
This is England's first goal.
Now watch what happens.
He's such a troll.
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There's your beans.
The first goal, one-one.
There's your beans.
They're throwing stuff at them.
And then they scored a second goal.
We go.
They keep throwing stuff at them.
Yeah.
Guys, so now, Messi, you know,
Messi's going against Spain,
you know,
with all the spectacles and the stories and everything.
By the way, Messi did a bunch of different interviews.
And he says, I know Spain.
I play against those guys.
I know what program they're a part of.
These are people that I know you can, you know, play against them
and, you know, what they're going to be doing.
There was some personal stuff that happened to politically with Argentina.
Because, you know, the whole war that happened with Argentina and England back in 1982
where they killed 900 people and they took over the island.
Auckland Island.
That's right.
They took over the island.
And then from there, in 86, the hand of God, you know, it says, hey, went from
the hand of God, not to the left foot of God, which is messy being left footed.
And so the guys at the end were holding the banners calling out England.
This was, so that's a political statement.
So it was a great game now going into Spain.
I don't know.
It's going to be wild.
Tom, I know you're picking Spain.
So what's your score?
What's your prediction with Spain against Argentina?
You keep saying I'm picking Spain.
I'm not.
I watched them at the end of group.
Die hard Spain fan.
Look, three games at the end of group, they win by a combined score of eight to nothing.
and no one scored on them
and I'm like, they're a machine.
But then they look like they were asleep
and they barely got through the next two games very tight.
And then the machine shows up.
So it's like, I don't know what to say.
You know, I call what I see.
I'm not a big football guy.
But I look at this.
Remember, Spain's only given up one goal.
So if Argentina wins two to one,
it means they score two.
They double the amount of goals
that Spain is given up in the tournament.
unfortunately you know my heart goes one way but my mental my mental side goes the other way
I think it's two one Spain one Spain let me let me let me first of all
Argentina had more heart they played freaking lights out they were by the shorter team what I say
yesterday the first five minutes you're going to know who's going to set the pace run a pole run a pole
to see what the audience yeah and and guess what I saw pat I saw them being physical they
weren't going to get pushed around it was it was an amazing amazing game
Pat, fate is on freaking.
There's no way.
There's no way Argentina's going to lose.
And I just sent Humberto a link from a guy that posted at 728 p.m. July 11th, 2021.
And he wrote, Argentina just beat Spain at the 2006 World Cup final two, three.
And, umberto, can you show that?
This is a guy that tweeted.
This is a guy that tweeted.
Well, he's running a poll.
He posted this in, in 2021.
Argentina just beat Spain.
Look at the date.
Zoom in?
Look at that.
Argentina just beat Spain at 2026 World Cup.
Final three to two, July 11, 2021.
And this is not the producer of Simpsons.
No.
No.
No.
But Pat, I don't think that, listen, Spain, very technical, very to the book, kind of boring.
There's no way.
It's in Argentina's going to take it.
I don't know if I'm going to go with this guy, but let's just do it.
I'm going to do it.
3-2, Argentina.
Let's go.
Right. Adam.
Let's go, baby.
Let's go.
Adam, where are you at?
So the question is, what?
Who's going to win?
Who's going to win?
Give us the score.
Okay.
Well, we talked about I show speed.
I show speed, unfortunately,
he's just a hater.
So imagine, and by the way,
he's a very likable guy,
but when you're, all your passion is built on hating on the other guy?
Just give me the score first.
Give me the score first.
Well, I was going to build up to why I'm going to give you the score,
but I'll just give you the score.
The point is,
is Messi's the goat.
And sometimes you just cannot deny greatness.
That's my point is it's like you're rooting against Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan don't lose.
So I don't know how Argentina got here.
They beat multiple teams after being down in the last five minutes, two minutes,
but Messi continues to pull it off.
So stop hating on Argentina, just appreciate greatness.
I think they win two one.
Okay.
So check this out.
Here's Kalshi.
Look at the amount of volume, Vinnie.
$1.25 billion and 58% is on Spain.
Yeah, I don't know.
58% is on Spain.
Okay, that's the quote of the title.
58% has Spain.
Those are all Ronaldo fans.
That is insane.
And by the way, look at all the money coming left and right.
Look at $41, $11, $1, $2.25, $33.
Wow.
By way, you asked me who I thought was going to win.
That's like my prediction market.
Where's my heart? My heart is with...
Morocco.
No.
Copa Bairde.
Canada.
You're not supposed to interrupt one about it to say Morocco.
No, my heart in this matchup is with Argentina.
Seeing Messi, he's the goat, see him go back to back on the way out of his career.
That's just amazing to see.
This is like Tiger Woods winning the Masters as the last major he ever wins and he's over 40 years old.
Yeah.
Your heart goes with like the goats and the guys that have given us so much to
share about. My heart, I hope Argentina wins. Tom is just trying to not lose his
Tom, change your pick then, buddy. Do it publicly change your pick. Massive Argentinian audience and
actors. What is there? So they have what percentage? 65 Argentina, 35 Spain. Let's go, boys and girls.
It just means we have a audience that goes, you know, one way. But the reality of it is,
it was something very emotional about this guy winning yesterday. Oh my God. Something very emotional
about the guy winning yesterday. I don't know what it was. They're just, you see,
the way they protect them, the way their teammates look at him.
The guy scores the header.
Instead of people running with the guy who scored the header, they run after Messi.
Those will lay out.
And he gave that pass with a right foot as a lefty.
They put him in the complete right side.
It's like, why would you put him there?
It was unbelievable.
So Spain, Spain, Argentina, I think they're both great passers.
They're very technical.
It's going to be a good matchup.
But, you know, the Cal she's got those guys.
We'll see what to happen.
All right, let me do one last story and then we wrap up.
So the last story I'm going to get into.
Do you want to do the Pete Hex's story with testosterone or Taco Bell?
Let's do Taco Bell.
Let's go to Taco Bell.
So Taco Bell, you know, is got some things going on.
So Taco Bell, let me find this story.
Is it page 20?
What page do you guys have it on?
My notes are not.
Can you just give me the page that you have because I don't have it on mine?
Do you have the page?
Page 20?
Is it page 20, addendum or Maine?
It's right.
It's main.
Page 20.
Let me go to it.
Oh, wait.
Okay.
The Taco Pell had a rough situation here, folks.
Rough, rough situation.
Voluntarily remove some ingredients at select restaurants amid cyclosporiasis outbreak.
Okay?
They limited the ingredients for selected restaurants at pre-caution during a growing outbreak.
Although the public health officials have not linked the illness to the company, any restaurant supply or ingredient, Michigan has recorded 3,309 cases.
since June of 2022, since June 22nd, which is like two weeks ago,
including more than 600 added since Monday and at least 44 hospitalization.
The state typically reports approximately 50 cases annually.
More current infections are in southeastern Michigan with adults ages 30 to 39
representing the largest group.
Vinnie, what's going on here with Taco Bell?
Well, first of all, if I'm going to be honest, Pat,
I've never gone to Taco Bell and not have explosive diarrhea afterwards.
So it's permanent for you, no matter.
No matter, and Humberto could vouch for this.
Like, and this is a true story.
I was dealing with constipation.
Remember, like the last trip that we had, I had to take those.
No, I'm being dead serious.
I had to take metamusal.
Nothing worked.
You know what my doctor finally said?
What's that?
Go to Taco Bell, get a beefy five-layer burrito, get a Baja blast.
No, Adam, I'm dead serious and I almost didn't make it home.
But you know what?
The funniest part about this whole thing.
The doctor really said that.
The doctor said, when's the last time you went to Taco Bell?
I said, sir, I haven't, you know, he's like, go there right now.
And it worked.
And I'm telling you guys right now,
to be honest
this story
you're joking
no I'm that serious
my doctor
we're like this
he said go to
he's very very cool
he goes
he's like
when the last time
he had a mexima
and I was like
they don't even make
them anymore
he goes
they'll make whatever
you want
but you're ready
for this
this story is not
going to change anything
yesterday we drove by
a Taco Bell
line wrapped
around the damn
Americans don't give
a damn
remember 15 years ago
Taco Bell
admitted that their beef
wasn't it was only
88% beef
the rest of it
was binders and seasoning
you know what people
said
I don't get
a damn. Are you open till 2 o'clock in the morning? Yes, give us some cinnamon twist. I'm going to keep
coming to this damn place. I'm telling you right now, even though this is the story, I would
still go to Taco Bell. What are? You think he's not going to go? Do you remember the chihuahua?
Yeah, they sued. Somebody sued because the voice was being offensive or they stopped using the little
chihuahua. But yeah, Tom, you know, you're a kero, you're queso blowing mud. So, you know,
I used to go to del taco a lot. Because del taco on their menu, they had the supreme something.
Is it the Del Tago menu that had the Supreme Burrito or Supreme something?
Oh, I love that.
Was it Taco Bell or?
They even sold cheeseburgers there.
Go to Taco, go to Del Taco's menu, just right there.
Can you go to their menu?
There was something they have.
Oh, you get me so hungry, Pat.
Right there, keep going lower?
What is that guy right there?
The big one.
The burrito, go on the burrito?
Epic, it's an epic burrito.
It says colon cleanse.
What is a say?
Jacked up beans, Pat.
Epic beef and bean burrito?
That was just ridiculous.
I'm going to go to California.
So Adam, do not eat within one hour of watching World Cup.
What Adam likes to do is Adam likes to drive with Uber drivers who go to Del Taco.
Yeah, yeah.
But Adam, there you go, Burrito Supreme.
Is that Taco Bell or Del Taco?
That's Taco Bell.
Pooping Pedro.
Apparently I ate a lot of these back in Glendell days because we had a Taco Bell down the street.
Were you regular?
I've been regular my entire life.
I don't have a problem with that.
It's just I don't need a Taco Bill to help me out.
Adam, your thoughts.
Listen, that Uber driver situation was the second worst Taco Bell encounter that I've had in the last few months.
I don't get why people love Taco Bell.
Oh, you don't know.
Like my girl loves Taco Bell.
I was on my way to her house.
She's like, can you stop at Taco Bell?
And if you know downtown Miami, it's right if you get off the highway, there's a Taco Bell right there, never been there in my life.
I go into the restaurant, because obviously I pulled up in an Uber and I got a different
Uber.
Like a man.
And I said, what kind of zombie creature land is going on?
on here. I'm waiting in line here. These two black girls getting a fight. It's my turn.
It's my turn. I was like, where do you got me in here? I, I walked out homeless people everywhere.
Can I get a dollar? This, that, the other. I said never again. There's two things I've said in my life
before. Never again. The Holocaust going to Taco Bell. I don't get it. I don't understand why they
get it. She loves it. Being shocked that you have to go to the bathroom right after you go to Taco Bell.
should not be a shocker.
That's like saying,
hey, I just had a New York street meat
a hot dog on the corner.
Oh, you hurt your stomach?
It hurt your tummy.
No kidding.
I don't get Taco Bell,
but I love my girl,
so I'm going to get her to Taco Bell,
but for me, never again.
Brother, the guy that did that,
the odds of the $1.625 trillion,
just did a really quick one
of how a Holocaust story
could come into a Taco Bell diarrhea story,
and it's one in 50 billion.
We pulled it off, Vinnie.
We did it.
We pulled it up.
Tom, Tom,
but that's how strongly I feel about,
Taco Bell.
Tom has a stat.
Like, Tom, this is something more serious, though.
Wow, this needs some sort of case study here.
Yeah.
No, I mean, when you, let me tell you,
places Taco Bell, Del Taco, God bless you.
And by the way, on the state seal of California,
they used to joke because they show a Spanish mission.
And we used to say Taco Bell, you know,
part of the state seal in the history of California,
which was kind of half true, but crazy.
That's hilarious.
But Tom, you had something about the,
Something was in the Mia, Tom.
So you said something was in the water, though, right, Tom?
With the lettuce and this is something, something serious, though.
Let's be serious.
The products they're talking about are susceptible to, you know, bad pathogens when water that's contaminated is,
irrigates the area within like a week of picking.
Oh, great.
Yeah.
So.
So it's in, and lettuce is, what did you say?
90, how many?
98% water.
90% water.
Anyway, guys.
Lunch is on me today.
I sent you some Taco Bell.
I'm an Uber deliver you guys.
I know you're in Rhode Island.
It'll be there.
Thanks, buddy.
About 45 minutes, you'll be in the bathroom in 46 minutes.
Okay.
All right, so there you go.
We finish with a Taco Bell story.
If I was to tell you, we're going to finish with a Taco Bell story.
I would have said you're crazy.
Going back to it again, gang, for those of you guys that would like to be at the
networking event, be around other people that are 7, 8, 9-figure entrepreneurs.
Some of the people you recognize that are also content creators.
And you want to be part of a networking event, whatever you do, June 29, 6 to 8,
PM for anybody that bought,
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generals will get a networking opportunity,
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those who have already purchased a ticket.
Can you go to the link of what they need to fill out
the information, Humberto, so they can do that,
and I put the link below as well.
That link we had that is both, I think,
in the description,
well as on the screen that if you're looking at it right now, just go right here.
Is there a QR code for them to fill out?
Is it shown on the screen right now as we speak?
Perfect.
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God bless everybody.
Have a great weekend.
We'll do it again next week.
Take care.
Bye bye, bye, bye.
