PBD Podcast - Andrew Tate Interview - Part 2

Episode Date: June 13, 2023

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Andrew Tate in Romania while under house arrest. For almost five hours, PBD & Tate discuss the current allegations against him, life in jail, life after jail, The BBC interview, the Matrix attacking him, his conversion to Islam, and what's next for him. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

You know how sometimes like I've been in sales for quite a while. If a guy who doesn't have any responsibilities any single, he has a 30,000 out of a month, boom he's going to Vegas having a good time and then he doesn't work as hard until he runs out of his 30,000. Three months ago I got to go make the 30,000 again. Oh my god panic I got to pay my bills I'm behind on the phone. Let me buy this watch and make 40 grand. I'm going out again, so it's very inconsistent, right? And then as your interest sales longer, you're like, okay, the profile of somebody that's gonna be more consistent is not a single guy.

It's a guy that's married, kids, homeowner, and all those three are signs of what? Married commitment, homeowner, commitment, responsibility, kids, commitment, responsibility. Last time we didn't talk about your kids. At this point, I think it's public, video, your daughter running to me, give daddy your kids, all this stuff, everybody knows at this point. When you're in jail, sometimes I sit and I got books on my desk,

I'm like, I'm like 50 books behind, and I like to read, I know you don't talk about reading a lot, but I like to, I'm like, I'm 50 books behind. But I bet if you're in a place where you're in jail, you're forced to think, you're forced to Andrew, you don't have to phone, you don't have a computer, there is no emergency podcast. Go away and think, you're sitting there, you're like, okay, family, kids, you know, what it's really all about.

Those decisions when you think about your kids, does it influence you to say, what are you doing this? You know, why are you going through all this stuff? Maybe you gotta make some changes in your lifestyle. And if yes, in what areas? Or does it say no double down, even more some fighting for them?

And that's a really interesting question. I'll start by saying how thoughts in jail are different than thoughts in the outside world because this is actually an observation I had. In the outside world, I don't think you carry a thought for very long that you don't want to carry. You can sit and think about something if you want to, but if you don't want to think about something,

you just get your phone out. Some of the problems in your head, oh, I don't do it, you get your phone out, distract yourself, or you get in your laptop, or you call someone, or you do something. It's not very often in the real world. It's not very often in the real world. You have a thought you don't want in your head, and you have nothing to take it away. You have no phone, you have no outside interaction, you have nowhere to go.

What a perspective. You're just stuck. You're stuck with that call. So there were times in jail where, for the time, like I have a lot of mental control, but there was the first time ever, I'm battling with my own mind, saying, I don't want to think about this. And I put another thought in the way, it kept, it was on the door.

I was knocking on the door all the time. And this is for weeks, because it never, it never, every day is the same. You never get the inside, outside interaction. And you also, what made it worse is, you never get the answer. You never get the outside interaction. And you also, what made it worse is, you never get the answer. You know like the open loop. Have you ever say to somebody,

I'm gonna tell you something, I'll tell you later. And at bothersome, that's what jail's like. Cause you might think of something, doesn't matter what it is. I won't say what my thought was, but I'll give you a new sample. Let's say I thought, when did Constantinople fall? What year?

I can't just google it. I don't know. So it's stuck in your head Right, so if you have this negative thought you don't know the answer normally in life when you want to know something You find out but in jail you don't see it like I don't know You go this in your head and you're like I can't get this out my head So when you have a negative thought especially if there's an open loop to it You need to know something or you want to know something. You can't get it out of your mind. I would sit there for hours just meditating, trying to just keep the door closed on negative thoughts. It's really difficult.

It's a really strange experience. And maybe a normal jail in western countries where you get to go and interact with people, you can distract yourself. But I was stuck in a room for night three days in one room. I did not leave. That's where I was. I was allowed to go to the fridge once a day. There was a three meter walk and back. That it in my room. You and Tristan are in the same room or no? At the beginning we weren't,

but then we ended up in the same room. Got it. Yeah. So, yeah, the thoughts and jail are very pervasive. And it's also a long time, maybe never, maybe never, an outside world where I had a thought in my head for weeks and weeks and weeks. And when you just satisfy the problem

You fix the issue in the real world and jail you can't do that So yeah family and kids and those are the positive things that you do think about But it's difficult because I think of children. I think of legacy and then if you're gonna think of your legacy Via your children you think of your legacy via your actions and, you have to think of your legacy, via your actions. And then you have to sit by extension, go, well, truly, truly on my deathbed, truly, will I be happier if I gave up, or if I continued to tell the truth?

I'm scared of the regret of thinking, you know what? I was the most famous man in the world, and every man on earth was listening to me, and I was really making a difference about God's scared. I don't think I can live with it. I don't think I can live as a coward. I feel like a person. I just feel like a whim.

And sometimes, inside of men, that's all it takes for us to do the most stupid things there is. The idea of feeling like a coward, a man will run into a burning building. To not be a coward, if the firefighter, they go, there's children in there. And the whole building zone fires, I can't be a coward. I'll fuck it. And you risk your life. It's something that's built inside of us honor and pride. There's children in there, and the whole building's on fire, I said, well, I can't be a coward. I'll fuck it. And you'll risk your life. It's something that's built inside of us honor and pride. It's something that should be, it's what they're trying to take away from us.

But it's what used to be built inside of men. And I just feel like I can't give up. I know what I'm doing is good. I know what I'm teaching is good. I know people don't like it, but I know I'm not teaching anything that's bad. And yeah, I want my children to be happy, but I have daughters too. And how do you make sure that your daughters are secure and have a good future?

Well, I think you do that by building good men. How else do you do it? My daughter is mine now, but she won't be mine forever. She's gonna marry somebody. I like the idea of marrying a good man with honor and principle, a man like me. I don't want to marry somebody yet. So, they call me a misogynist, and I'm anti-woman.

I'm pro-woman. The best way you can improve the lives of women is make men better men, that are at being men. Because when a man is a good man, he's good for all of society, including women, he's good for everyone around him when he's good at being a man. So I feel like I'm helping them as well by extension.

And it's difficult. And yeah, I can't say with honesty that I strongly considered giving up. It never crossed my mind. It was there for a second. Do I need to do this? And after like half a second it was again. I do.

I don't know what. It doesn't make logical sense. So kids didn't influence it one way or another? Kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, kids, maybe you want to do it. Kids, maybe you want to do it one way. Kids, maybe you want to do it one way. Got it. I look up to my father as a hero and I would hate for my sons to look up at me and not see

me as a hero, because that's how I believe you should see your dad as a hero. And I feel like I've, and you're not a hero without an enemy, you're not a hero without fight. Did they ever try to, and by the way, I don't see this work effectively at all, but did they at all try to come in between you and Tristan or you and the two girls or the two of you and them? Was there any manipulation and device of an escrowing on there?

What about these stories that came out that you've got cancer and lung cancer and then you were poisoned and these matrix attacks? Yeah, so they're planting these stories or they're making these things out? So the cancer thing is interesting, because by Romanian law, every 30 days to extend the arrest, there has to be new information. They can't extend the arrest based on the previous information. So they put together all this garbage

case and arrested me for 30 days. To keep me in other 30 days, they have to find something during that 30 day arrest period. To keep me for the second month, but of course there's nothing to find. So when I was having medical scans in Dubai, a scar, a dark spot was identified on my lung, and I had follow-up tests booked for February. So when after the first 30 days, I called up my PA and she said, are you coming to Dubai? I said, well yeah, if they let me go, at the end of these 30 days, I'll come to Dubai for my medical tests. They took that conversation and shown it and used it in court, saying, I'm trying to flee the country and trying to escape the judicial system as motivation for the second month's

arrest and the judge agreed and locked me in jail. Because I said that I would go to a medical appointment if I was free. And I used that as proof. I'm trying to run. because I had nothing else. And the judge agreed it. Some reason he kept me in jail. Then everything in Romania leased. So at leak, I had this medical thing in Dubai.

I had a problem with my lungs. And then there's a hospital here. And I decided to go to the hospital here and have it looked at, because although I was not concerned, I thought, you know what, although it's difficult to do procedures in jail, I have time for once in my life. So I decided to go to the hospital here in Romania and Romania does have some private healthcare which is actually very high quality. It's not as poor as people think it is. I went to a private hospital and I knew it wasn't cancer. I knew it was.

I sat down the doctor and said, we're really concerned about this dark spot in your lung. I said, it's not cancer. I said, how do you know? I said, that's just not my life path. It's not my story. You told them that. Yeah. The doctor was like, okay, but we have to investigate. And we can investigate, but it's just not my story.

It's not cancer, I'm 0%. When BBC came, did you have guys watching every move they were making? You have to almost put one on one, right? Somebody's watching everything they're doing. You have to do it. You can't be overly paranoid and skeptical with this stuff. If they want to hear about, you know, Ricky Tang's crime ward, they want to hear more about the crime, since the kids in Hong Kong. I can tell them all about it, because Carl and Lee is going to get under control. But, yeah, I, this is the things, this is actually really interesting point which I've gone to before I've finished a long story. So I went to the doctors here and Romania, everything leaks.

Elite doubt to the press, I had this mark on my lungs. I was supposed to go to Dubai, they'd be going to Dubai, they said that's enough reason to hold me and put keep me in jail, which is absolutely insane. All because I also had a phone call about a medical procedure, it's crazy. But they were always gonna keep me anyway and find some reason.

I went there, I had a bronchioscapie. Have you ever had one of them? Bro, I wouldn't call it painful, but it's certainly horrible. So they put a camera in your lung. So it's down your throat, but it's in your lung. It's not down the throat, it's into the airway. So you're trying to vomit and you're trying to cough, and you can barely do either.

And they're moving this camera around inside. It's extremely unpleasant. Even if it sucks, I had a three years ago in Dallas for the whole allergy thing that I had. Did you have a broken-elskope? Yeah, they have to knock you out. It's terrible yeah you have this yeah absolutely were you awake or asleep no they gave me anesthesia so I was

I was asleep bro here I was awake yeah yeah yeah I was wide awake I was excited yeah they gave me this they tried to numb your throat a bit and then they gave it to me and the doctors all around me it's kind of interesting because when something is in your mouth and you're choking, you want to grab it, right? So you're on a chair and you're like tied to the chair. So you can't move your hands. So you're like tied to the chair and you're like this and then put this thing down your throat, this camera.

And you're trying to vomit and you're trying to cough, but they can't move the camera when you're coughing. So even the guard, the armed guard who took me, the police officer, the guy, he was in the corner of the room and even he was like, I can see this face, he was like, fucking hell. And I don't even want to re-enact it, because it's probably so horrible to look at.

But you're just trying to vomit, you're trying to cough, your face is bright, red, you can't breathe. And they're like, stop coughing, stop coughing, stop coughing, and you have to try and stop coughing for like two seconds, they can adjust the camera a bit. It's the worst 20 minutes in my life, it's horrible. They finish that, and they go, okay, well, the good news is, there's precisely zero smoking damage on your lungs

and your lungs are perfect, but the lesion, whatever it is, is on the outside of your lungs. It's not on the inside of your lungs. We couldn't see anything. So I completed that procedure, went back to jail, that was a nice evening, horrible. Anyone has a bronchial sp? Yeah, go to sleep, don't stay awake, horrible. Then they said we have to find it, we Go to sleep, don't stay awake. Horrible.

Then they said we have to find it, we have to put a biopsy from the outside of your lungs. So we have to put a needle through your back, a needle like this long, through your back, through your ribcage, to your lung, a CT guided biopsy it's called, and take a piece of it, and then pull the needle back out, and then do a biopsy on the piece. Now, they're like this is an operation, do you want to have it while you're in jail? Because the bronchioscopy wasn't much to recover from. I had a really sore throat, whatever, whatever. But this is an operation, do you want to have it while you're in jail? And I was like, well, why not?

I'm in jail, I have time. I can't recover, but I have time. So I went for my CT guided biopsy, they put you on your front, they show you the needle, it's like this long. And then they stick it in you, and then they scan you with the biopsy, and they try and see where the mark is, and they adjust the needle, and scan it. It's like 30 minutes of them shoving this needle in you, trying to get to the right point.

And eventually they did the biopsy, and they said, yeah, it's benign, some lesion I might add from when I had pneumonia, and I was a kid or something that's benign. And as I told you, I knew that cancer wasn't my life path, I knew it wasn't, but obviously rumors spread like wildfire. Wildfire, wildfire. Everybody in the state. Especially because I smoke all the time. Right. But it was actually very refreshing to hear.

I have zero smoking damage along the zero. I was like, there's zero? I mean, I'll accept a little bit. I'll take a little bit, but I think it's because I train every single day. I work out every single day. I train hard every single day. And I think, you know, you burn it off. A couple cigars here and there are not big deals, not cigarettes. I train hard every single day and I think, you know, you burn it off a couple cigars

Here and there are not big deals not cigarettes. I think cigars are bread and cigarettes I also believe nicotine is a super drug so I'm not gonna stop. I think nicotine and can super drug 100% what is that? I mean nicotine and caffeine or what I run 100 hundred all I run on the coffee for closes bro Ten Only one that drinks coffee to have a two of us. Oh really? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don people who have to eat two 15 cups of coffee at minimum. Minimum out. But you don't do drugs. Zero drugs. You'll do, you'll have a sip of alcohol every once in a while. I used to. I haven't had alcohol nine months of quick.

But you're running on caffeine and nicotine. It's funny because people look at my physique when I put pictures up and they're like, what's your beer plan? I'm like, bro, cigars, cigars. Coffee cigars. Coffee cigars. I eat once a day.

I eat once a day. What time? I eat dinner only. That's it. Only dinner and eight. Coffee is too much. Coffee is too much. Coffee is too much. Coffee is too much. Coffee is too much. Coffee is too much. Coffee is too much. Coffee is too much.

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eating. She's beautiful. I'm going to be. But if I don't eat, I'm like, I wouldn't say angry, but I like to have that tinge of irritableness. Does that make sense? I don't know, maybe I sound crazy. It's how I get things done. It's how I get life done. It's just how I... I'll chop some coffee, then,

I'll raise cigars, and you eat once a day. That's right, yeah. And you train every day. I train every day. And it's working. Working for you. It's how I feel best. I don't know if you wrote a book on Tate's Diet,

if you have book with me. Well, I had, well, this is interesting because I had a blood test when I was in hospital for all these things and my testosterone level, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on male hormones because I'm not, I don't understand them. I don't know what measurement it's in, but it's, it was between nine and 27 is the testosterone level, the mark between nine and 27, the normal range.

I'm never taking a steroid in my life, I don't inject anything, I don't take any pills, nothing. And I was 32. I was above the normal scale and I'm 36 years old supposed to be going down So whatever I'm doing I'm sticking to what was your diet in your regimen while in jail There was no coffee. Oh, I had coffee and cigarettes. Don't worry bro. I had those really I spent my commissary money on coffee and cigarettes I called the cigarettes and we'll meet on the day same So there was commissary money. Yeah, so we had to give you that. Yeah, so a friend of mine put money on my account. So I was a rich guy in jail, because in Romanian jail,

most people didn't have money right? It's guy in jail. I was rich. There's a limit to how much you can buy, but I was spending the maximum. So I had plenty of cigarettes, coffee. I actually quit coffee. Now we're talking about coffee,

and then I'm going to go back to the point you made earlier. But I quit coffee for the first 30 days in jail, because I've never, I've never not been caffeinated my experience of life is Caffeinated human right? I'm awake. It's caffeine So I'm like I don't need energy now. I'm in jail So I quit caffeine and all coffee for 30 days to see if there's any tangible benefits and I can confirm to the world that there are not Zero I did not sleep any better. I did not go to sleep any easier. I did not dream anymore Nothing absolutely nothing good happened except that was pirate life.

It was garbage. Like getting my coffee back, going back to my 15 coffee, it comes a coffee a day. That's real firm with your coffee. To have that much coffee. The last time I drank coffee it was 25. We have really friends. Literally. We have one friend that drinks almost as much coffee.

Mario, drink so much of shit. And by the way everybody, Rami loves coffee, including my 11 year old son, Tico. He, him and his mom got into an argument the other day because she didn't want to take him to Starbucks. He said, what do you mean? He said, I want some coffee. He's like, you're not having coffee at 11 years old. Anyways, but it's working for you.

It's working for your body. Sometimes when you, when you find a diet or a combination that hits your body well, you'll know it, you'll feel it. And you have to know your body the best. Correct, I think there's no perfect diet for everybody. I agree. I agree. And I think you are what you eat to a degree,

and it also depends on mental model. You want to operate under. If I want to operate under comfort, I certainly wouldn't eat the way I eat. I do it because I particularly want to operate under a degree of irritability and high energy and hunger. I like feeling hungry. I don't like feeling full. I like being hungry all the time. I love that. I mean, that's the quality of people where, you know, you can tell a lot from somebody how big they think

after they make money and they have some success. One day make money, that's when they slow down, that's when they get casual, the hunger goes away. You'll really know if somebody's hungry, when they made money and they're still going, what is the sky doing, still going? You've already made the money, you've already had the success. Let's transition to a couple other stories here.

So, all of a sudden you put in your profile, obviously I've joked about it, you're the most Googled woman on earth, that was based on your Twitter profile. Nina Turner comes out and says, if somebody says they're a woman, they're a woman, not a tough concept, your responses, I'm a woman, right? You do that. And you've left it on Twitter. Tell us why. Because I am. You don't believe me? You're a woman? Are

you misgendering me? I have to choose to agree with you. Why for now? Because she heard. But the level of it's all a joke, right? But there's actually a very sinister undertone to all of the scarves. And the sinister undertone is that your baseline instincts and your baseline senses are how you've always perceived the world, right? They have to attack them at some level. And I did, I mean, it's fantastic with COVID.

COVID, I know we can talk about it now, it was amazing. I used to say to people all the time, who have you seen die? Do you see a pandemic? Yeah, all the news. No, no, no, no. Do you see ambulances rushing back and forth wherever? Where do you see bodies on the street? Do you see lines outside of hospitals? Do you see a pandemic? How a pandemic would look? Do you see a pandemic? Oh, but my grandma my friends grandma your friends grandma was 96 Okay, so I'm not saying it's's grandma, your friend's grandma was 96. Okay? So I'm not saying it's not sad. I'm saying she was 96. Do you see a pandemic? No, you don't. But they have just lied to you so many times that you're ignoring your own eyes. That's the final stage of the slave mind. It's the final stage of the slave mind is when your

eyes tell you this is green, but the news told you it was blue. So it has to be blue. So when they're doing these things, it's nothing to do with caring about the mental health of gender ideology, none of this garbage. They're deliberately attacking you and saying, what your eyes tell you is wrong, because if they can make you start to admit that your own eyes are wrong, then what other defense do you have against propaganda? If they're going to give you a lie, but your own eyes can't protect you, well then it's over, isn't it?

So all of these things they're doing, all of these things are deliberate assault on the senses and they do it by controlling the language. If you control what someone says, over time, you control what they think. You don't think what you don't say. It's very hard to live a life for eight years if you're lucky and think things and never save them ever. If you think it you're gonna say it sometimes. You're gonna give the idea, get some feedback on the idea, build on the idea, change the idea, whatever it is through discussion. If you never ever ever discuss it you're not gonna think it. So they say this is the truth, ignore your eyes, and you have to say it's the truth. You can't say it's not the truth.

And the people who are in charge of the world, they think generationally. They have time. Right now it's a joke. 200 years from now, won't be a joke. 200 years from now, it'll all be fucking standard operating protocol. The grandchildren of the people who are in charge now, that's what they want. They'll pull it off in the end. Slow incremental damage. They'll take, that's what they want. They'll pull it off in the end. Slow incremental damage.

They'll take, they do with nearly everything. They'll take all your rights away. They'll take 100 of your rights away. They'll upset you. They'll give you 99 back. We're good again. Don't worry. And the grand children, the people in charge

will work what they want in the end. They think generationally. So now we're at the beginning of it. It's all a big joke right but especially before Elon had Twitter when you couldn't say the truth online when you couldn't say my eyes see X on the internet without going to jail we're losing your account we're getting a hate speech charge in the UK or some garbage they're controlling what you think and on a long enough time frame what you think becomes true if

two we all believe two plus two is four, but with a hard enough style, if you can't say that, if you have to say it's 5, on a long enough time frame, math breaks down, and everyone's just going to believe that 2 plus 2 equals 5. That's what happens. You think we're going to get there? Have you ever seen the experiment? There's a really interesting experiment with monkeys and a banana and a water spout. Have you ever seen this?

They put five monkeys in a room. And at the top of the room, there was a banana and a water spout. Have you ever seen this? They put five monkeys in a room. And at the top of the room, there was a banana. And when one monkey tried to climb up to get the banana, they turned on the hose and splash all the monkeys ice cold water. So the monkey would come back down and wouldn't get the banana. And when another monkey would go to climb up, they'd splash all the monkeys who ice cold water.

And what would happen over time is, when a monkey went to climb the rope to get the banana, the other monkeys would jump and pull them down and hit and teach them a lesson, don't go for that banana. If you go for that banana, we get splash to water. Then they'd swap one of the monkeys out. Now there's a new monkey in the room,

it doesn't know the game. The new monkey would attempt to climb, and all four monkeys would attack the monkey, pull them back down and kick his ass. He knows if he climbs the rope to get the banana, he gets attacked. He doesn't know if he gets splashed through water, if he doesn't, if he gets banana, he doesn't know the game, but he knows that by trying climb, they're going to attack me. After certain weeks, they change another monkey, and another monkey, another monkey.

Over time, you have five brand new monkeys who have never been splashed with water ever, but nobody goes to climb the rope because if they do they're attacked by all the other monkeys and nobody even knows why. That's just how it works. If you climb that rope we beat you up. That's just how it works. That's what they're doing on a long enough time scale to humanity. There are already X amount of people on the planet. There's already a population X percent who knows what it is who would ignore their own eyes and repeat what they are told. You can't say that they're not what they're doing because they're already

successful with X amount of the population. They've begun. The seed is there. 2% 3%, 7% who knows. They've already proven they can do it. Now it's just a matter of not shutting up and hammering the hammering at home. Make sure they repeat in schools, children are young, they believe things are impressionable. Hammer it to the kids, especially, put it in every Disney movie. Just give it to the kids all day long.

They grow up sooner or later. Long enough time, friend. That's it. It's generational time. You think that's gonna work, though, because let me maybe unpack the question. So I'm from Glendale. I want to go into high school and St. Louis, right? So yesterday, a big fight broke out in Glendale, I want to go to Gleendale High School and Stoloy, right?

So yesterday, a big fight broke out in Glendale, massive, it's all over the news. So the fight was over, these parents, Armenian parents, who are four years alike, listen, we don't mind if you're gay, but don't teach our four year olds about transgender, don't put these books in, finally yesterday, big old brawl, it's all over the news,

they're fighting Armenian parents are like, we're not gonna, it's all over the news, they're fighting, our meeting parents are like, we're not gonna tolerate this, this is just not gonna happen to us, right? Then you go to YouTube, YouTube comes back and says, hey, starting such and such, all the videos that were put up about, you know, the election and you know, whether it was fake election or not, we're no longer gonna give a strike

or take those videos down, they can stay up there, right? This is totally fine. Then, you see, the surgeon general comes out, the attorney, I don't know if you saw this one here, he comes out with an article saying, new surgeon general advisory raises alarm about the devastating impact of the epidemic of loneliness and isolation in the United States.

This is the same guy that was part of the camp, is now saying, hey, our epidemic of loneliness and isolation in the United States. This is the same guy that was part of the camp, is now saying, hey, our epidemic of loneliness and isolation has been an underappreciated public health crisis that has harmed individuals and social health, our relationship, our source of healing, et cetera. It's the same guy that's a wait a minute, lockdown, do this, do that. So the more and more arguments are coming out

against even ESG, I don't know how close you follow, ESG where, why are we doing this? Did you see how much targid lost, $10 billion? Did you see how much buttlight lost? 25%, 12%, this is no longer working. Well, if you want to, like even one of the insurance companies I work with, close, it's one of our biggest one we work with, yes, that I see their post on Instagram.

Well, because a pride month we're doing this, I know the people in that company, but they just raised a few hundred million dollars, one of the companies they gave the money to, was one of these bigger guys, the Vanguard, BlackRock, and you know, State Street. So when you take money from those guys, you have to have a certain ESG score.

But a lot of people are now saying, this is not a proven formula that it works. Stop doing it. So do you think guys like you, who are maybe in like you who are maybe in business, who are maybe in church, they're saying, Pope, what are you doing? What are you talking about? Who are maybe in the Christian church? Who are maybe in different denominations? They're in the military, sitting back saying,

I didn't sign up for this. So meaning successfully, do you think these guys will be able to manipulate their engendas down everybody's throat or there's going to be certain people standing up? Well certainly I'd like to believe that the tide is shifting and we're starting to get some degree of victory against the matrix so I do believe that the public sentiment is shifting. However the fight is long and it's very very difficult because I agree with what you're saying. Only a year ago I would argue it completely and say it's basically over. I'm actually very impressed with the back with the with the ground we've taken back with common sense. But these people operate so slowly.

It's generational these attacks. The attacks we're suffering now were started in the 70s and 80s. They take it over time. And yes, it's fantastic for those parents to fall back against that school. That's fantastic. But there's a whole bunch of schools where they didn't. And who knows, okay, that particular book might be approved. A softer version will be implemented.

Next year, maybe that book will come back. They have all the time in the world, all the money in the world, and they're insulated from these things. That's what's most scary. You talk about Vanguard and BlackRock and all these companies. What's actually scary about it

is that people who are making these decisions are completely insulated from the consequences of their decisions. They're in Switzerland. They fly private. They don't care. You think they care about any of this crap? They're in Switzerland. They fly private. They don't care. You think they care about any of this crap? They'll say, I'll do this.

Oh, it's caused a riot. They don't live there. They're nowhere near it. They don't have nothing to do with it. When is the last time you've even seen a politician? Do these people exist? They're nothing to do with where they operate. It's actually amazing when I was in Dubai once,

I think it was about three years ago, I saw the leader of Dubai walking through the mall. I was like, he's a person and he just walks through the mall. I was so impressed. Imagine a Western leader walking through the mall, never. Never, never a million years. It's just pieces of paper, private jet, vanish. All these people are in charge of everything.

Don't even live in these communities. I do believe that yes, we can win because I don't think you can fight to the best of your ability if it all hope is lost. I do believe we're winning and taking ground back, absolutely. And I believe that we're doing that by purely telling the truth. What are I see or is what's real? Now, we're doing it in the name of God, which is saying our minions are strictly religious. I think God in religion is one of the best ways you can combat these things. However, the fight is never ending because they're never ending going to try and implement.

You talk about ESG scores. It's garbage they put together. It's not going to end. It's just going to get worse and worse and worse over time. And it's kind of unfortunate and it's kind of upsetting that we still have this system where the people can be unhappy with something. The peasants can revolt to a degree. But does it even really matter at some point?

You get to a point of power where you don't care about money. And then things are really difficult, right? When you control everything, you don't care about money. I mean, I'd like to actually argue. We talk about Bud Light, this, Malayny, whatever it is. Dillamale. Whatever. Yeah, Dillamale.

Sweetheart. And yeah, I know we've damaged their share price, et cetera, et cetera. I would believe people who own that company or are beyond that company, I don't think they truly give a fuck. In both. I don't think they care. Maybe they care a bit. I don't think they're losing that much sleep over it.

Maybe they are a little bit, but I'm saying you get to degrees of power and levels of power where you don't care about money. I'll give you a perfect example of it. I know we keep going back to this, but it was actually a massive pivotal event in awakening so many people was to COVID scan. I said this multiple times in many different countries I visited.

I said, if they cared about you, they would have left everything open, maybe put attacks on everything, extra attacks, percent, whatever, and bill hospitals. Why didn't they do that? Why did they lock you all up? Because there's a mass compliance exercise. They want you to comply. They don't give a shit about your health. They just want you to comply. They want to test how many people comply. And people were saying, yeah, it's all about money, they want you to comply. They don't give a shit about your health. They just want you to comply. They want to test how many people comply. And people were saying, yeah, it's all about money. It's all about profit.

And I said, that's actually a very optimistic way to look at it. I think that if you destroy the economy and lock up one in their houses and destroy one's businesses, you don't care about money. You're beyond money. You're above money. You want power and you want control.

Because once you become actually rich, you learn that. The world is all just about people, right? The best things in your life are people. The best things in your life are family. Things make you happiest to your friends. Your life experiences the best if you have good team around you, good assistants, good helpers, good staff, whatever it is. It's all about people and controlling people. What do you want money for? To get other people to do what you want? This old money is, I want Lamborghini. I can't build one.

He can. I would pay him to build me a Lamborghini. It's all about people. So once you get beyond a certain level of money, and there's a certain level of control you want that money perhaps can't buy, buy. Then you think, well, I don't care about the money. I want the power. I don't want money.

I want them to stay in their houses. Why? Because it's not something. I don't have to. They have I want the power. I don't want money, I want them to stay in their houses. Why? Because it's not so. I don't have to, they have to. Ha ha, it's funny. And now I've said that and sat with people and said, do you really think people in charge of the world are so petty that they would lock up on their houses

so they can laugh? I say, yeah, I actually do. I think if you were born into a wealthy family where money has precisely zero value, and you are arrogant to the moon because you're this whoever, and you believe your God's gift, and you't get a Ferrari and make you happy you care about Ferrari for all these frees pennies you don't care about any of this shit what makes you happy is everyone respecting you and being afraid of you to a degree you're going to try and influence

some power and fear I think that's what it is so I think a lot of these companies when they're doing these things and they're upset in people except for yes good that we're fighting back but I also think part of them enjoy the show I think part of them genuinely enjoy the show. I think part of them go, you know what? Let's do this. This is insane. Let's do this. Ah, they're fighting. I really believe it. I know it's a pessimistic way to look at it,

but I think they enjoy the show apart from it. I don't disagree with you in regards to that. I can see that how you see it in movies or scenes where condescending, arrogant, you know, and they kind of want to be like, with you in regards to that. I can see that how you see it in movies or scenes where it's kind of sending arrogance, and they kind of wanna, they enjoy bullying the guy that can't help himself, right? Hey, do this, say, Clean, I picked this up.

I'll look at this. They'll do anything that I need them to do, right? I fully believe those types of things exist. But, and empires have fallen so many times because they thought they can get away with murder and eventually people said, listen, stop. You're not going to do this to me anymore. We're not going to take a stand.

And typically when that happens, you said it earlier, you know, what is really why, what's going on in Glendale or some of these other cities? Now people are protesting. Why is there an organization called Gaze Against groomers? Gaze against groomers? What? What are you doing? I just wanted to be given, leave me alone. I'm not trying to be grooming kids. That's not my job. I just want to be gay. Leave me alone. We've had so much progress. I'm not that guy. I'm not this person. So I think the part that they fear the most. If you read Communist Manifesto, there's a book written by Cleon Scalson. I think he was like a former CIA agent for like 15 years. He wrote

a book called The Naked Communist. One of the things he talks about how getting rid of God. Well, they're succeeding in that area but not fully yet. You know, getting rid of the family nucleus. Well, we already know what is the purpose of this LGBTQ movement, what is the purpose of this transgender, what is the purpose of, let me get this Straight, this person cannot buy a gun at 13, this person cannot go into military at 13, this person cannot vote at 18, this person cannot own a car at 13, but they can transition the most, the most important decision of their lives you're okay with. Yes, that doesn't make sense to me, that doesn't make sense to me. I think you said something at the beginning, the concept of being tolerant. You know what, yeah, it's okay. We can have gaze.

Oh, it's okay, we can have this. Listen man, you've crossed the line a little. I think faith, family, kids, values, principles, they fear the hell out of it. And I think that community's rising up. No, you're totally right. But you made a really interesting point there with Empire's falling and this is where I kind of feel like we're entering a new

stage of the world because it's never really done before because typically when Empire's fell the world was far more polarized. If the Empire fell there was nowhere for the corrupt dictators of set Empire to go. The Empire's falling where I say, say England fell. It's very hard to get exile in France. You can do it a little bit. But let's say America fell today. Let's say it completely collapsed in a fell. The people who are archetyped that downfall. Do you think they'd be in America? Do you think they'd be sitting there waiting to get scooped up? Do you know who they are? Can you recognize them? What's their name? Even if you could.

Do you think they're in America? Do you think they're skin and so is that? This globalism, the whole point of globalism is that they don't care when empire is fall. When you globalize the world, then you have a chess board. I lost a knight, it doesn't matter, but patient. Sack the queen, who cares? There's so many things I want to say, that I don't want to die. But there's truth that this can be proven

and shown even with this current proxy world. Europe, and all the gas prices and the inflation rate in Europe is going to the moon to fund this proxy war in Ukraine. Why is this happened? Because America is in charge of everything. And America has decided that Europe has to bear the brunt of the bullshit for its proxy war. You're going to have higher gas prices. You're going to have inflation. You're going to have massive one rest. You're going to deal with it all. And we're going to sit over here at Inslaire ourselves because we have the global reserve currency. And the war is

going to happen over there, and Evel's going to die, and we're in charge. So now you have this globalism, how can an empire fall when you have basically two camps? There's two teams now, there's two sides left. So it's, it's, I agree with you completely, if an empire is falling, but'm saying if the empires fell in days of old the kings would be strung up But now when the empire falls nobody notices doesn't matter We don't know the king's on we don't know who's in charge. I don't know where they are They're not going to be anywhere near the trouble. That's for fucking sure There's gonna be somewhere else oops. Oh, well, and do they really care?

Do do the people in charge of world care if America's crime rate goes up 1000%? Would they lose sleep? I actually think they do partially because think about it. I'm with Andrew Schoels and I'm taking your position with him. You know Andrew Schoels' good guy. And he says, you know, part of me that gives me comfort is no one. These guys are so obsessed with their money. He may be wrong. This is a weakened debate.

They're so obsessed with their money that there's no way they're going to let America fall because of America falls, everything else falls. So they're going to go just as much as they can to control, but not enough to get the machine to break because they're so in love with money and power, they don't want to give that up. Well, I hope that's true. I would love

for that to be true. But my argument is that these people are already so deeply entrenched. They print the money. They'll print the new money. I don't care. They cared about money. COVID wouldn't have happened. They closed the entire economy. I don't think they care about money. I think they control the world to a level where you want to eat. You want war? Like Like I don't really give a shit about money, they'll print the new money, they'll change your name a bit and print the new one. At a certain level of power, I think they're so above and beyond all of our concepts of how the world works and they don't have any interest in any of it.

I don't think they give a shit. I think if you were to go to these people whoever they are and say, we're going to take your money away, they would just laugh at you. You think you can take my money, you think you understand money? You think you could have damaged the stock market? You think I give a shit about the share price? I think there's a level beyond all of this. And they're the ones who truly are running things, and they truly have no influence. And in fact, the harder they damage the economy and the more damage they do to money, the more people are dependent on governments to eat. That's where the coming in comes from, right? The

more poor we get, the more you need the government just so you have food in your mouth. How can you resist the government if they feed you? You can't. So yeah, like, and I sound pessimistic and I'm not pessimistic and I do believe the answer to all of these things is free thinking and truth and God and community standing up to themselves and changing to general consensus. I do believe that because two degree, although we talk about people who run the world, two degree we run the world because our tolerance level is what runs the world. There's more of us than them.

So two degrees, you say who's in charge of the world? Well, I like to say what we are because it's all about we're the abused wife in this relationship. How much crap are we going to put up with? We set the abused wife in this relationship. How much crap are we gonna put up with? We set the limit. They're gonna come at us with everything they can, right? We set the limit, but the problem is they try very, very hard to one increase our limit to the max, which is tolerance.

And two, to divide us to the point where we don't ever unite, run it off. I love what happened in Rendez, where you just told me about it. I should be happening in every single school across America, all of them. Oh, they would love it if you retweet the video for them and give more off. I love what happened in Ren Deo, where you just told me about that. It should be happening in every single school across America, all of them. Oh, they would love it if you retweet the video for them and give more exposure.

I will do. You know, when you're saying this, I'm reading a book right now, Robert Moses. I don't know if you know who he is or not, Power Broker. This is a guy, it would be very interesting guy for you to study. This is the guy that built New York, okay? And he came up and hated a complicated person,

misunderstood, And he came up and hated a complicated person, misunderstood. The more they would push him back, the more he stood up. The more they would say, no, this is not fair what you're doing. The more he would even say, I'm going to go more, even more extreme. And so if in New York, you mentioned a name Robert Moses, there's going to be a camp camp that's going to say scumbag, races, white supremacists, all this stuff and there's a side that's going to say this guy built a bridge, this guy did this, this guy did that. He would make it so hard for a certain community, go to the nicer community, he would put the cart, you know, the bridge so low that trucks couldn't go through because he didn't want the bad people to go into this, like he was that sharp. And one time in the book they talk about how Robert Moses he says look

the one thing about Robert Moses he could give a shit about money he could give a shit about it was all about his influence over so I agree there's certain people that don't care about money they're more driven by control influence all of that the part that you know we're talking about the movie Fury Vinnie and you give me this whole thing about Fury. The scene where Shia Le Buff is reading out of the Bible, and he's crying while he's reading this. And then, if you want to text me, and then afterwards, you see Brad Pitt quotes exactly what Scripture was, but they never showed how much faith he

had. And the whole point was, I'm ready to die. We know we're here. This is going to be happening. We're in the tech. There's no. I think the people, there's a part about Trump. I had a grown on Whitney Webb. I don't know if you know who Whitney Webb is. We had a wrong.

OK. Yeah. And we start talking about different things. And I've been have a lot of weird guests on Lakeley and making a comparison between the Kennedy family and Trump. Pists is a lot of people off. But those two families forget the fact that once the Democrat ones that were Republican, they were both anti-establishment. They were both anti-military industry complex.

They were both anti-CIA, anti-FBI, anti-all of this stuff, right? We saw what happened with Kennedy, we saw what happened with Reagan, we saw what happened with Lincoln, all these guys were anti-establishment guys, we saw what happened with Kennedy we saw what happened with Reagan we saw what happened with Lincoln all these guys were anti-establishment guys we saw what happened with Trump the part about Trump that you know made the other side uncomfortable is okay we can kill the guy that's been the strategy for a long time you can't really do it today as much because they fear one thing that they're the most jealous and envy. You know what that is? They don't want, they do not want to build a martyrs. They fear building a martyr because that's the ultimate

high that they want to get. They do not want to build a martyr, right? So, okay, we're going to humiliate the crap out of you. We can embarrass the crap out of you. We're going to publicly try to do this. We're going to come in between you and your kids. You know, we're going to go get your daughter, we're gonna come in between you and your kids, you know, we're gonna go get your daughter to be more LGBT, we're gonna get her to be on this side and we're gonna pin this, that's the strategy, we're gonna put the break into our family part, right? And he still stands up there. And to them it's like, what the hell do we need to do?

Feed us, you know, just sit down and be quiet, not willing to do it. That's right. Do you think, again, going back to it, more of those types of men and women who are misunderstood and complicated stories, they're not perfect, far from it. More of those guys are the ones that are saying, yeah, it's just not going to happen on my watchman. And that's what we need. And by the very nature of being the kind of person who's principled enough to risk his own personal situation in life, if you have principles that's strong,

you're going to be disliked by some people. You're never going to have a person who is principled enough to take risk to his public detriment for the good of what he believes in who's liked by everybody. That's a logic failure, right? Because he has principles with your hard lines and people exist across the entire spectrum. So, we people exist outside of those lines. That's a logic failure, right? Because he has principles which are hard lines. And people exist across the entire spectrum. So, we people exist outside of those lines. That's why I liked about Trump. He's not perfect, of course not. But he says what he means, he means what he says.

I actually disagree with him on many things. But he says what he means, he means what he says. And that's what they're afraid of. They're afraid of a man who says what he means and means what he says, because he can't be bought. Because he's principle. He can't be bought. Even now me, if they're to come to me with $100 million dollars and say, we'll sponsor you with this

company's $100 million dollars, you just have to shut up and say no, I don't want the money. I don't need money. I just have nothing else to buy. I've bought everything. I don't need it. I buy principles worth more. So and that's what they're afraid of. They're afraid of principles and it goes back to the original point. They're trying to remove all of our morality, all of our baseline understanding of things. Meneck is an application which allows you to take a minute to connect with influencers from all around the world.

My name is Andrew Tate and I'm available to speak directly to you on Menec. That's how they inject you with the slave mind. This is how it is and you're right. Shustery has always been that way. And now it's under conscious assault. I've never said this before, I've never even thought this before, this is a brand new thought for me. But I would like to think in times of old in history, perhaps everybody was the same.

Everybody was principal, everybody had parameters, but they were different parameters. Perhaps they were competing ideas. But I think in the modern world, it's not so much competing parameters. It's just people who believe in things, people who don't believe in anything besides what they're fucking told, that changes every day. You have empty brains, the slave minds, and the people who actually stand up for something. And the slave groups. And the free thing, but the slave minds,

you can't say, well, they believe in a different ideology, because they don't. They believe in what they're told to believe in all in that particular day, changes. They don't have any true core belief. They just repeat. I talk about the matrix all the time. People say, why did you choose that terminology?

I chose that terminology because it is perfectly accurate in describing exactly what is happening. The matrix is a computer program which is designed to control your mind so that your body can be used to power the machines. That's exactly what happens when they make you watch the news, to control your minds, you continue to use your body to work some garbage job and suffer from inflation and power the machines. The machines being the soulless people who are in charge of the world. But there's also a million other different ways you can compare the matrix to the real world. In the matrix they say, anybody can become an agent at any time. If their mind is not unplugged, they become an agent.

If their mind is not freed, they turn into an agent. You can see that in real life. Mention COVID to an NPC. Mention Trump to an NPC. You can sit now perfectly cordial normal conversation with somebody for an hour and be fine. And you can mention it one of the particular subjects which they are programmed to hate by the matrix itself and they will turn into an agent in real time and you will see them now start to genuinely emotionally dislike you as a person. They

were your friend for an hour. Now they hate you. They will turn into an agent. COVID was perfect. I would sit with people and we'd all be friends until I mentioned the COVID's garbage. Now they're an agent. What do you mean COVID's garbage? My friend's grandma was 99.

She got sick. Okay. Sorry. I don't think I, I don't think I changed my view. And they change. And the matrix is actually a perfect, absolute explanation of what's happening. And Morpheus says it, if your mind's not freed,

you can be one of them. And that's what's happening. And this is why we have. We don't have competing sets of parameters which you're trying to argue about, which is the best way to run the world. We have people with parameters who believe in family and love and God and tradition

and taking care of yourself and taking care of others. There's people with moral standard and there's people with none. Zero, empty vessels agents who are programmed on any given day of what they're supposed to care about. These people can't tell me they care about things. That's what's most annoying about my position because it's absolutely and hourly weaponized virtue they use against me. The people who hate me hate me because what I truly believe, and I know this is arrogant to say,

but I feel like I have to say it, there's definitely a massive jealousy implement. If I wasn't so tall and rich and good looking, wouldn't be happening, they don't fucking like me. They don't like me because I remind them of the jocke at school that took their girl. That's part of it, right? They don't like me personally.

So they try, it's true. So they try and find an attack vector. And what happens when you have somebody who's monumentally successful across all realms of human endeavor, they only can attack them by calling them a bad person. They can't call me stupid, they can't call me ugly, can't call me broke, can't call me weak, can't, they can't call me any of these things. So how do we attack this guy? Well, he's a bad person. How do you call someone a bad person? You weaponize virtue. None of the people, none who are pretending to give a shit about women and

that I'm bad to protect women have any interest in protecting women. None of these people think I better become physically strong as a protect woman. None of them even believe in protecting a woman in a physical scenario. None of them even believe in protecting their family. None of them have any, none of them donate to each area that involve involve women nothing. They're just taking the virtue and weaponizing it and attacking me with it. Me is a person who donates $25 million a year to charity to feed both male and female children. Me is a person who believes I have a responsibility to be physically capable so that any woman I'm walking down the street with is safe. I do more

for women than any of these clowns would ever do. But they're just weaponizing virtue and attacking me with it. It's not even genuine virtue. That's what's so upsetting about it. These people, the matrix-minded people, have so few parameters and so few virtue. Whenever there's virtue inside of them, it's only so they can take it, weaponize it, and fire at you.

They don't give a shit about any of the issues they talk about. They don't care about race, they don't care about women, they don't care about gay, it's not of it. They take it, they put it in a bullet, and they shoot at the people they don't care about race, they don't care about women, they don't care about gays, not of it. They take it, they put it in a bullet and they shoot at the people they don't like. It's all fake. All of it. You when you were talking about this, I wrote all these things down that we're talking about. Principle virtues, God, parents, true believers, fighters, traditions, these people they fear, right? All these people they fear. And these guys are slowly but

surely starting to stand up. The scene, we talk about with Shailabov, he says, what we're doing here is a righteous act. Here's a Bible verse I think about sometimes. Many times, this is his words. It goes, and I heard the voice of the Lord saying, whom shall I send and who will go for us?" And he began crying and said, Here I am sending thee. Brad Pitt turns around and says, Book of Isaiah chapter 6. For me, you know, business,

I asked this question together, and I'm so curious to get your thoughts on this. For the longest time when I got into business, I was, you know, a younger guy, 21, I'm like, oh, very coachable. Tell me what I got, I'm a coachable guy. What I got, I'm a coachable guy. Super coachable, I want to make money.

I'm sick of time being broke. My dad's at the 99%, so too many hard attacks. I want to get out of this. So I'm like, hey, Patrick, basic stuff. When you do business, when you're talking to rich people, I'm Morgan Stanley Dean-Witter. Never talk religion, never talk politics, never talk sex. Just don't talk about those three things.

I said, okay, guess what? Never talk politics, never talk religion, never talk sex. No problem. We're going to business. So what do you think about the political climate today, Patrick? David, oh, what do you think? You know, why I think this is, but what do you think, Patrick? I don't know, you know, quite frankly, I think I'm trying to figure it out for myself.

But we'll see what's going to happen. You know, the whatever way you're deflecting and you kind of going You're from, hey, what do you think about God? What is your opinion on Islam or Muslim? Well, you know for me, you know There's you deflect that eventually you're sitting there. You're like the people that I know at that level Want to talk about those three topics now sex is maybe off camera and they're kind of having fun with it But then want to talk about politics and religion So we for the longest time have in silence and now the ESC community All this time they've told us to stay quiet and they're saying what they're talking politics They're talking religion and they're talking sex sex the way through LGBTQ. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with it's normal? It's normal. It's normal. No, it's not normal Well, listen you guys shouldn't talk about politics and sex and religion, shouldn't be doing that. And then you see this one during COVID, one pastor, Australia, Syrian man. I don't know what his name has been, he wants his name to be the Syrian pastor, priest from Australia.

And he was fighting all the anti-COVID guidelines and his stuff is going viral, he's doing this and he's seen these messages. Some of the people that stood up, they stood up because they feared God. Okay. And for you with your life, it's been interesting watching you go through your evolution of your faith. Pre-2022, former atheist, a couple of the things you've said in the past, God isn't real because you can't prove it.

Okay, that was more the Malcolm X argument, right? Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people far too often for God to exist. I'm the center of my universe, that's pre-2020. Then gradually you start talking about Christianity and in 2020 made a video announcing that you were wrong about what you had said previously about God, right? Now you start saying people are, who are atheist or angry, bad energy people and I don't want to be on that team anymore.

And even if God is not real, the world is a better place if people do believe in God. I know God is real because there's so much evil in the world that there has to be an equal and opposite force. The devil can't exist if God does not. And if you look at the world today, it is very obvious that the devil does not exist. And I'll go to the last one here with Muslim quotes from you. Christians don't have a religion anymore because they tolerate everything and stand for nothing. And by the way, I actually agree with you the fact that they're tolerating way too much. Islam is the last religion on the planet.

God is something to be feared, respected, and to prove yourself too, which means you got to earn his right. It's a, hey, I want to earn your right and your respect, right? How did you go if you don't mind talking about your own evolution? Because us as men, if you knew me at 25 years old, you probably would have liked that party with me. I was a selfish guy. I was a guy you would have thought I was, right?

And we go through this phase of where the selfishness kind of comes down a little bit. You still need to be selfish because you need to be driven. But to the point where you're like, listen man, I gotta really do something. And then somehow somebody got enters. What's been your evolution of your fate

and where are you at today? Yeah, I think Newton's, I think it's Stirred Law, Equal and Opposite Force, what you just said there is absolutely true. There has been equal and opposite force to all the evil in the world. And the equal and opposite force to all that evil has to be God. And I've talked about this at length, even with atheists.

And I try and say that regardless of whether you're an atheist or not, you're thinking of God as a man in the sky. But you need to think of God as a man in the sky, but you need to think of God as a concept as a whole. And once you do that, it's impossible to accept that he doesn't exist, right? I said to the atheist, I said, let's say there was two islands, your shipwrecked,

and there's two islands, both of them were full of savages. On one island, you're even your friend or shipwrecked. On one island, your friend goes and he crashes and they kill him and they eat him. And you go to another island and they want to kill you and eat you, but they don't because this is against their religion. Did God save your life?

Who doesn't even know the name of their God? But their God said, don't kill shipwreck survivors. And now you're alive. So their God saved your life. The concept of God and enough itself saved your life. You owe God just for the concept of it, the idea of it. So even the idea of opposing evil as a whole is a belief in God. So you're either an evil person or you believe in God in some regard. And then I became once I understood that there had to be

an equal and opposite force. I was raised Christian. I live in a Christian nation. The Romania is actually, I think the second or third most Christian country on earth, it's very Christian country here, it's churches everywhere, they strongly believe. And that's where I began my journey, but I always had a very healthy respect for Islam, because I understand that to a degree, to have a religion at all, you have to have an intolerance, to a degree, because without an intolerance, you don't have rules, you don't have laws, you don't have any, like you said, you have to earn God's respect. If you're a religion which is tolerant of everything,

then you don't have to earn God's respect. You can be a bad person and do bad things. God loves me so it's fine. Well, no, it's not, because that's not the point of the religion. So then you extrapolate that out and I'll sit and think, what's the primary function of a religion? And the primary function of a religion,

I don't believe it's the religion exists so I can live forever. I mean, that's a nice thought. But I think on a macro level, the primary objective of a religion is to restore and contain some degree of traditional value within the site. How do you judge, we changed the way I worded that.

How do you judge the success of a religion? I don't think you can judge it by the number of people who join it, because there's lots of people who are Catholic who don't act Catholic. They don't act in any way, particularly Christian. Anyone can say there's something. You can walk into a strip club and everyone says to a Christian, it doesn't mean anything, right? So how do you judge the success of religion?

Well, I like to think the best way to judge the success of religion is how successful is it at fighting evil? How successful is it at preserving the morality of a population in ex-parameter, in ex-geographical area? So when you look at it from that way, you can't say that Islam isn't the most successful religion on earth. It's the most successful in regards to opposing evil. It's the most successful in regards to opposing its differing viewpoints. It's the most successful in regards to having people act within the limits and the confines of what it finds to be moral and good to God.

It's the most adhered to. It's the most feared. It's the most respected in most forms. And then also I'd like to say it's the most feared. Yeah, it's the most feared. But what is respect without fear? Do we respect men we don't fear? But there's a man who could do absolutely nothing to you

on any level at all. You might be nice to him. Sure, because we're not bad people. But would you really respect him? If you could take his chick in front of his face, it says car on fire. And he wouldn't do a thing. You wouldn't respect him.

You might be nice to him, because we're not bullies. But you wouldn't respect him. Respect and fear are linked. They're not always the same thing. And you can maybe have fear without respect, but it's very hard to have respect without fear. But also, I heard someone say once that we see the world as we see ourselves. If you're a ifty, if you think everyone's a thief, if you're a liar, you think everyone's a liar. And I kind of agree with that. I understood that. I also like to think we see religion as we see ourselves.

I like to see myself as a person whose respect you have see ourselves. I like to see myself as a person whose respect you have to earn. I like to see myself as a person who has strong rigid boundaries. I like to see myself as a person who will stand up and say, no, that's wrong. I like to see myself as a person who's not afraid of being shamed by whatever community for saying, I don't agree with that particular ideal. I like to see myself that way. So if I'm going to see myself that way, then I'm going to naturally align with a religion that operates within that form.

So when I say Islam and falafis religion are earth, I say it because it seems to be the only one who will stand up and say, no, we don't care. No. That's not what the book says. No. I was raised Christian and Muslims as a whole, we have no problems with Christians. None at all. I don't want anyone to think I'm anti-Christian like I dislike Christians.

We don't have problems with Christians. We believe in a lot of the same things. We believe in Jesus. We put more respect on the name of Jesus than most Christians do. I just don't like the idea of people saying they're a Christian and saying, but because I'm a Christian, I can do whatever I want and throw all the rules away in none of it matters. Because once you have that level of tolerance, you no longer have a religion. Islam seems to be the last religion left with parameters.

We don't parameters. You never religion at all. So, closer, I found myself to God, the closer I found myself to Islam. That's just how it ended. And Andrew, speaking of fear, one could argue that Islam these days, certainly in the last 20 years with the war on terror, they've also been the most vilified. Absolutely. So everything that we've seen happen with extremism and everything that's going on

all over the world, how are you grappling with that? You've been a Christian for years now. Islam, everything. And you know what's, you know what, there's such an interesting question because when I was younger, especially when I was an atheist, I would sit and I'd sit and think, people are really doing terror attacks and doing all this crazy stuff because, you know, they're upset over a cartoon, that's so stupid. And nobody should kill anybody. Nobody should kill anybody. That's so stupid. And nobody should kill anybody.

Nobody should kill anybody. Charlie Hebdo, everything. Nobody should kill anybody. Nobody should kill anybody. I'll make that very clear. But also part of me is now saying, why would you want to insult the profit, the billions of people? Why would you want to do that?

I'm not saying you, I'm not even, I don't want to make the argument against free speech. Why didn't you say you couldn't be allowed to? This is a sensitive subject. You're saying, what kind of person even, I don't want to make the argument against free speech. Why didn't you say you couldn't be allowed to? This is a sensitive subject. You're saying, what kind of person wakes up and thinks I want to do that? I don't know, I just don't think that's a healthy mindset. Like when I see these Satanists and they're especially in America and they're doing it. Let's keep it on Christianity. These Satanists and they're dressing up Jesus's gay and all this stuff like that.

That's not done in any kind of good faith. There's no good reason to do that. That's done with genuinely malicious intention. And what kind of people want to do that? And then the answer by extension is, I thought America was a Christian country. So how can you have a Christian country where the the profits of the religion are mocked to the highest possible levels within the confines of the country and its promoted. Is that a Christian country? Doesn't seem like a Christian country to me. I don't think the same thing would happen with Islam and Saudi Arabia. I can't imagine that happening.

So how can you say we're a Christian country, but everyone's mocking our God on the streets. Ha ha ha. It's on Netflix. Ha ha ha. That's not a Christian country to me. So if you're not a Christian country, then where is the religion supposed to enforce certain boundaries? You're supposed to at least show it respect. And it's also kind of interesting because in Christian countries, there's more respect for Islam than there is for Christianity. And in a Christian country, name one. They still don't do it with the Islamic prophet. Why do you think that is? It's too much smoke. It's just not worth the heat. Because

people believe, and I'm not advocating for violence on any level. I'm saying that even these degenerates who are trying to destroy people's belief in God, like we've discussed earlier, because they don't want you to have any baseline morality. If you believe in God, there are commandments, yes and no. That baseline morality prevents you being an absolute slave. So they're trying to destroy it. But even those degenerates were trying to mock and disgrace God. Understand there's a point where it just backfires and moving is to smoke. And they don't want the smoke. And shouldn't God be feared? I'm scared of God. It's the only thing I fear. I fear God. They can put me in jail. I know I'm telling the truth.

God's on my side. I fear God. So God should be feared. So once again, does anybody fear the Christian God? I haven't seen anybody scared of him in a long time. And it's kind of crazy because it's very interesting. The max, the mass migration, all these things are leftist policies, but then also Islam

is the most right-wing religion. On earth, it's kind of very interesting. I grew up in England, and I grew up in Luton, which is a town which is mainly Muslims, like this, it's a huge Islamic community. And there was a bunch of English people who were complaining about this, too much immigration, we're losing our culture, and I understood their point absolutely. But these are the same people complaining about all the left-wing LGBT and schools, all these issues.

And I said, the only allies who have against this are the Muslims. But the only allies who haven't any of this, the Christians don't protest against any of this stuff. The Christians don't, the Christians, there's very few Christians who will get up off their ass and complain. In fact, I saw on Twitter yesterday one of the churches was lit up in Rainbow.