PBD Podcast - Andrew Tate vs Jake Paul, Conor McGregor's Return to the UFC w/ Kamaru Usman | PBD Podcast | Ep. 341

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Patrick Bet-David, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana are joined by UFC fighter Kamaru Usman! Purchase shares in great masterpieces from artists like Pablo Picasso, Banksy, Andy Warhol, and more. Skip the waitlist and invest in blue-chip art for the first time by signing up for Masterworks: https://www.masterworks.com/pbdpodcast See important Masterworks disclosures: https://www.masterworks.com/cd 0:33 - Patrick welcomes former UFC Welterweight Champion Kamaru Usman 3:58 - Kamaru discusses what it was like being raised by a Muslim father and a Christian mother 10:49 - Kamaru's relationship with his brother, UFC fighter Mohammed Usman 14:04 - Kamaru discusses getting bullied as a child 19:43 - Are there boundaries for trash talking in the UFC? 26:55 - The importance of having a good product and a good persona in the UFC 34:19 - Will Conor McGregor return to the octagon and fight in the UFC again? 44:49 - How Kamaru handles the highs of winning and lows of losing in the UFC 53:32 - GOATs that Kamaru has run with since becoming a UFC superstar 1:01:36 - Who wins in a fight - Tristan Tate and Andrew Tate vs Jake Paul and Logan Paul 1:20:04 - Who won the Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou fight and the greatest boxers of all time 1:27:04 - Did Francis Ngannou make the right move leaving UFC for boxing 1:31:15 - Kamaru dishes on the hardest hitters in the UFC 1:33:52 - Kamaru discusses what it was like being knocked out by Leon Edwards 1:37:26 - Maintaining a work-life balance as a UFC fighter 1:41:49 - Who wins in a UFC fight - Donald Trump vs Joe Biden Subscribe to Kamaru's YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/3RsPpxd Follow Kamaru on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3vcOnhm Follow Kamaru on X: https://bit.ly/3TyuqMo Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Connect one-on-one with the right expert to get the answers you need with Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO:  @VALUETAINMENT   @vtsoscast   @ValuetainmentComedy   @bizdocpodcast   @theunusualsuspectspodcast  Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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Garnath okay episode 341 special guest today Camaro Usman Some column Marty some column D The Nigerian nightmare. One of the most exciting fighters I've seen fight over the last few years, and it's great to have you on the podcast, man. Thank you. How you feeling? How you doing?

Good, good. Yeah, so obviously we just had this recent card, and Edwards went against Colby, and I know you had a very interesting exchange with Cormier, where you're given in perspective on who you think was gonna win the fight, and it was very, very interesting how you guys were having a debate the exchange, and you're like, no, I'm telling you, I think this is what's gonna happen,

the challenge of being off, and the cardio, the rollout plays, et cetera, et cetera. You were being very matter of fact, and I had a couple of questions for you, which we'll get into is, at what level is the shit talking crossed the line? Like, is there a limit in it, which we'll get into is at what level is the shit talking crossed the line. Like, is there a limit in it, which we'll get into that?

But aside from that, first things first, Nigerian nightmare, where did that nickname start? That happens to be just a nickname that I always heard as a child growing up. And it was kind of a nickname that just every athlete that was just, I guess, more than exceptional in their field, that's a nickname you wanted. If you're a Nigerian born, that's the nickname you wanted.

It was just a, it's, it was like a pride flag that we just carried everywhere because you wanted them to know that you were nightmare in your sport. And so there's been multiple Nigerian nightmares. There's been, you know, soccer players that were Nigerian nightmare. Who would have famous in the world in that? Christian Aquian, American football. He was a Nigerian nightmare. Everyone knew what a nightmare Kansas City Chiefs, everybody knew what a nightmare he was to tackle.

Samuel Peters, WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World, boxing. A lot of people don't know that name because he didn't hold a tighter for very, very long. But yeah, he was a nightmare to deal with. So there have been a few Nigerian nightmares, but these are some of the athletes that I grew up watching. And it was just a name that it was just like, if I ever got an opportunity to carry that flag and represent that name, I want it.

But then, you know, I was wrestling and wrestling, it's not, you know, not as mainstream enough to where you get to really use that name. And then I got into fighting. I'm like, oh, man, it's perfect opportunity. I took it right away, but the thing, the biggest thing about it is you got to live up to it. And so, you know, you start now and you're just thinking, oh, okay, I just need to win a fight. Maybe you win the next fight. The next thing you know, it's like, hey, I'm not doing too bad at this. Maybe I've got something here.

Now, you know, the world knows that name, and it's like, oh, yeah, I definitely did it justice. That's a good point. So Vinnie, who is the Assyrian or the Jewish nightmares? I don't like who would you put these? I mean, like, your meaning assassin, I don't even know who, who, who, I don't know. I think we have.

I don't know what the nightmare goes. I think the assassin goes with the Assyrian or the Armenian assassin. You're like the dream, I don't like these acute, I don't even know who I don't know. I think we have the nightmare goals. I think the assassin goals, but you are the Armenian assassin. You're like the dream. I don't believe he's a cute. I don't know. I know the Jewish nightmare would be Sasha Baron-Cone. That's who it is. You know what I mean?

You are at the top. It's like, oh shit, he's here. You mess around with that guy. You can find out. So everybody's got it. We had in Ghana here in Francis and he's telling a story. And what a crazy story he's got, right?

And for you, your story is also an interesting one who you grew up with, your father, your mother. I think your father is a Muslim, your mother, Christian, you're grown up in that environment and your dad, I believe, was a pharmacist. And you told the story one time to Mike about how he would get angry. He would get upset with Mike Tyson,

where you guys are watching a fight and let me go get a beer or a drink and he comes back to fights over his pissed off. What the hell is going on here? Tell us a little bit about the upbringing of Kamaru Usman and then how that led into fighting. Yeah, it was just great. I knew my mom and dad, you know, something

that, you know, a lot of, you know, kids nowadays don't necessarily get that pleasure of being around a two-parent household or having both parents in their lives. But grew up with mom and dad and, you know, it was great. I never you know when you're a kid you just you don't know what you don't know. You're just living life and my father's Muslim mom's a Christian never an argument never a problem really never a problem about religion not once you know the boys it was three boys growing up you know for a while the boys just we did what dad did we went you know went to the mosque who was raising that, and then we immigrated here to the states where my mom would go to church on Sundays.

And after a while, I think it just became one of those kids here, you know, American, Sundays, that's football day. I think it got to a point where that's time for us to go with your mom. Disappear for a couple hours. That potential gets to just be home by myself. So that was never, it wasn't an issue for us to go to church with her. So gradually you started going to church and now we're introduced to a whole another religion and all of that even though it's a different religion. There's so many similarities to where I

think it was absolutely just the best way because now as an adult I have you know, I have that mindset to be able to make an informed decision for myself of if I want to be a Muslim or a Christian or respect both, which is, I have great respect for both religions. So that was just special to me. Now looking back and seeing what, my parents did at that time. What's out about it?

Yeah, which, I'm sure that it wasn't planned, but what's there, like they say, there's no, you know, handbook to parenting, but it just worked out amazingly. And remember, you know, handbook to parenting, but it just worked out amazingly. And remember, you know, my father's, we used to, we'd order the fights, growing up. And, you know, Tyson was that guy, that, of course, Mike Tyson. And my dad loved to have fight parties. So, he would have a fight party and all his friends are there

and we're just kids. So kids aren't necessarily allowed in the living room, but of course we knew what was going on and we wanted to see what was going on too. And there was one particular that I remembered. I think it was, I can't remember what fight it was, but I mean, like most Tyson fights very quick. And so, you know, things are going on.

We're waiting for, you know, things that happen and the last fight before Cole Main was done and then I was Tyson, he's walking out. And my dad's like, oh, he's walking out and everything's, all right, let me run in the garage and grab a beer because, you know, you know, we have that, you know, you have that, you have to have that backup fridge in the garage.

Extra beers go back there. Of course. I don't know that. So he goes in, let's get, get some drinks for his buddy because my dad loves to entertain. And on his way back, he hears screaming. He runs in the garage. What happened? What happened? Fights over. Oh, my dad's pissed. Like most people were back then, because, you know, when you paid that, what was it, 39, 99, back then for a tights and fight and it's over, yeah, most people were pissed. He pissed off a lot of people, Mike Tyson, one of those first round knockouts, 10 seconds knockouts sometime, yeah.

Back to your father, because you were talking about your father now, right? You have one. I have one daughter. You have one daughter. Who was the leader in your household growing up? Because you seem to be like, probably the leader in your household.

Your father's Muslim, your mother's Christian. Who was the leader in your household growing up? Because you seem to be like probably the leader in your household, your father's Muslim, your mother's Christian. Who was the leader in the family? What's the role of the father? How are you embracing what your father taught you, what your mother taught you, and bringing that to your child's life? My father, of course. I come from a traditional family.

I was raised around that. I saw that growing up, and that's how it always worked. My father's the leader. My father goes out and I guess if you want to bring him back in the primal days, it goes out and kills the meat and drags back and feeds the family. My mom was her role was so important because if the father's not at home and the kids are starting to grow and they're returning, there's got to be someone that has that level of understanding and respect for what the father's doing outside. That's that's rare in these children at home and letting them know that's what your father's doing.

That's how important what your father's doing is to what we do here and keeping the kids in line as far as raising them and helping them grow and understand that as well. Because if that's not there, the father could be out accumulating or doing whatever he needs to do, but if that respect is and that's not being built and cultivated at home,

the kids are gonna respect what you're doing on that. They don't care. Because kids don't care. You can have all the money in the world, but if you're never there, kids don't care. What would your mother say to edify your father? So when he got home, there was respect. What would your father say to you guys to respect your mother? How did that all work?

I mean, my father didn't have to say much. You knew it. You knew it. Yeah, you were not going to disrespect my strong, who's not going to talk. Yeah, my dad was a major in the Nigerian army before coming here. And then he was also in the military here

and then became a pharmacist in the military. So both countries he served. Yeah. And so my dad was just that military kind of got, you know, and didn't, didn't really laugh much. But not as, not for me as a kid growing up, you know, it seemed like he was always just stone face. But, you know, looking back at it, there was, it was just lessons and lessons that you don't realize until you become an adult yourself.

But raising three boys, I'm sure it wasn't easy. I bet. I can only, and by the way, your brothers are all three fighters or what do the other two? No, my oldest brother, Dr. Cashett to Usman, he a doctrine of pharmacy and he was a soccer player So he played a played in college and played semi-pro And till he decided to go back to school and become a pharmacist So that's what he's doing now and now branching off and getting into the business world as well and into real estate development My younger brother was a football player who was the bigger one.

And he played at University of Houston and played at the University of Arizona. And just, you know, had his bounce around some pro teams a little bit and then decided that he wanted to start fighting. So now he's also in the UFC. Oh really? Oh wow. So he's slowly building his own resume. What position and football and what weight class and fighting now?

He was a defensive end. Oh big boy. So defensive end linebacker. So he was in, he was one of those in-between guys. I think maybe 250, about 63, I think. He was fast. And he was one of those headfirst kind of guys. He's so, yeah.

So he had the speed to get around, guys, so he could, he could, he could add a put his hand down or run around. He's a heavyweight? Because I would have had to. Yeah, he's a heavyweight. But he's also a tweener. He could, obviously if there was a 220 weight class,

that's where he would be. But he fights at about now when he's really physically fit and in shape, he's probably about 235. And you guys trained together? What's that relationship like now? Not really. Now try to mess with your brother? Well, you know, not try to mess with your brother.

No, it's, of course, we could, like, I'm still a big brother. And I'm skilled in being able to handle myself. But obviously he's growing and he's getting better. And so when he gets to a point where he has as much knowledge as I have there, he's going to be a pro. Come on, were you ever bullied when you were younger? And what was the moment where you were like, OK, I'm nasty at fighting. I want you to hold that. Let's put a masterworks to our sponsor. We're

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I wouldn't say. I mean, it's, I guess the term bullying and what we kind of see that as is, just day to day continuous, it kidgets be little and things like that. I mean, to an extent, growing up, especially going to public school, I guess any school, you know, there's a little bit of bullying that happens, but for me looking back at it, it's almost kind of character building, you know, you're going to have those kids that are just, you know, that are just want to be punks. And so I had a little share of that, but I wouldn't say I was just odd

ball to the point where, you know, I felt like they had to be something done. But I got into a couple of little scraps back in grade school, because when we immigrated here, I think I started the school system fourth grade. Arlington, Texas. Yeah, Northern Texas. So starting in fourth grade, now kids are, fourth grade kids are cruel and kids are smart. And you know, I didn't, English is necessarily my first language.

So now you talk a little different. You have a little bit of an accent and and kids know you're not from here. And so of course kids, kids poke fun at you and do certain things that kind of make you feel a certain way. So I had a little bit of that, but you know, I was always somewhat able to blend in with the crowd and and be okay, but I had a couple of scraps growing up. Gotcha. And I didn't really I was in a fighter I didn't really I did with my brothers. I was and I was a tracer. Three boys don't give me we're gonna scrap non-stop. Yeah P.B. you have to tell your story but little bit I take leave. I understand. Oh, go ahead. You're saying, especially me and my little brother. We scrapped all the time. All the time. What's the age gap between the two of you? We're about two

and two years apart. I think he's 34. Yeah, so we're all two years apart. So yeah, that, that, we always scrapped. And I was just, I, something I took from, because my dad was kind of a no nonsense kind of guy. And so, I was kind of that way as well, especially with my little brother. I couldn't deal with him being disrespectful. So if he told me to shut up at any point, oh, that was disrespect. Oh, we had to scrap.

And so we fought for a long, long time. By the way, I think that's super healthy. It, yeah, it has to be. It's not like you have beef with your brother, but like growing up, getting tough, knowing when, you know, stepping on boundaries, you know. When keeping a real ghost, we're on the same planet. I think it's an advantage.

I think if you're raised with a young, with a brother that's the same age as you, you have an advantage in school and fight, break out because you're accustomed to fighting 50, 100, 200 times with your brother. And if a boy is raised with a sister only, you don't have a brother, you don't have somebody to fight. So then the first time it happens,

it's the first actual fight you're having. So my kids, my two boys, they're a year and a half apart. The other day I come home and we're packing to go to Christmas, they're packing all this stuff. So anyways, they find these snow gloves, right? So Dylan puts the gloves on and he puts his beanie on. They're thinking this is gear. They're coming to the bedroom and they start going at it, right?

And then the first one throws a kick Now these guys have been doing jujitsu for two and a half years. So the first one throws a kid. They kick and Then next thing you know Dylan throws this vicious kick the whole back. It's red the younger Kick still the one now. It's an official bra. Oh, no It's a bra. Jennifer comes out. What's going on? I said, babe, this is a good fight And they're like that, hey, can we can we get a ring and get out of people to watch us fight? I want others to say So we're not doing that bro. We're not this is not gonna be like a Michael Vick story Patrick. But David sells tickets. Yeah, yeah. That's why. So, so that part coming up with,

but then the end of the story, when Dylan kicked you, I thought. Yeah, so then I said Dylan, I wanna see how you kick feel. Oh great. Line up. As I go, kick the side, I just wanna know how it feels.

They now feel good. I have to tell you, I was there. He's gonna kick you. I want you to feel it. I understand. And come on, the first time I hung out with them on a boat He's like, yeah, go rest the wood on go Vinnie one of them guys me and a trokel and I'm like I'm getting there

And then the other one grabs his wrist and it's pulling it and I'm going and I just see him laughing going like you good I'm like no, they're strong. It's about the age when it gets annoying the next two years at 14 years old I don't want to get sick. How did they? They're 10 and 12. 10 and 11. 10 and 11. Yeah. And it's fun when they're so we fight. We do wrestling and we fight too and want to guess me.

I still have them, but it's getting annoying. It's getting annoying. Who's my dealer? He might need you to be attacking him over there. I guess it's you, bro. I'll stay on this side. But let's continue. So let's talk about this recent fight, Kobe and Leon that took place.

You fought Leon a couple times, and maybe we'll come back to the fights you've had with Leon. But to me, when I'm hearing what he's saying, hey, the comment he makes about his father, and here's what's gonna happen when we're gonna go to hell, and you're gonna do this, and then Sean Strickland comes out out and Strickland says what he

says about Kobe, you know, he had some choice words. I don't know if you heard what Sean said about Kobe. Where is the limit? Is there a limit of where you can go? Well, Dana ever get an essay to leave the wives and a father and a family alone or in the fight world. There is no limits. family alone or in the fight world, there is no limits. Well, I don't think that's that's Dean's job. You know, Dean is a promoter. And so his job is to promote the fight. You know, he has a whole company that he's looking out for. And this is fight sports. I mean, it's very difficult to tell to grown man, hey, don't say that about this, you know, I mean, this is not scripted.

You know, this is as the motto is, is as real as it gets. And so obviously, you know, me being a man that I am and growing up the way that I grew up, I understand that there's a limit to certain things. There's certain boundaries and certain lines that we just, we don't cross. And I think that goes into just upbringing and the respect factor. I've just grown up in life. We understand that there's certain things that you just don't do. Just like, you know, I believe in war, you know, wars waged with men. Men waged wars. You know, it's very difficult to start attacking women and children. That just has never been a thing that men do.

You know, if I have a conflict with that side, okay, I signed, like when they say sign up for men, that's sign up. We sign up and we go defend. And so the same thing with what we're doing, because in a way, we're waging war with one another. And so when we do this things, you kind of, you know, that's what men do. We leave those out because it's between us. We have to step in there and we have to take care of whatever we say we're going to do. And so nowadays, it's, you know, we're in this weird times of society towards everybody wants to be seen.

Everybody wants to be heard. And we're just, it's information overload, you know, everyone, we have these mics, we have these phones, we have these things that just, we all want to just be out there. And so people just, they're willing to say or do anything, whether it's men, whether it's women, it will willing to do and say anything just to be seen.

And these guys are just kind of be lost in that to where they just, I'm not going to be seen if I don't say this across that line or do this. For me, I just, I've never been that kind of guy. And I guess that's kind of been a knock on me. Some people didn't like the fact that, you know, And I guess that's kind of been a knock on me. Some people didn't like the fact that, you know, when I'm dominating everyone, I'm not belittling them. I'm not, you know, saying there's your saying that, you know, and McGregor was the same way. McGregor came out, well, not the same way as me, but when he came out, he was doing the same things.

He there was in the line. It wasn't a line. Yeah, there wasn't a line that McGregor wasn't willing to cross. And we saw what that where that there wasn't a line that McGregor wasn't willing to cross. And we saw what that, where that got him. You know, McGregor's probably one of the most famous mixed martial arts fighter ever. No doubt. And so, with that, you know, you have all these young kids now looking at that and going, oh yeah,

I can just say and do whatever I want to do. That's gonna make me famous. I think about this because I see, you know how the saying styles makes fights. And if anyone knows this, this is your world. You know this, you guys understand what it means when styles make fights. But do you think personality is self-fight? So does it kind of go to, you know, a counter comes in.

I don't remember him being that loud at the beginning. I don't know like the first couple of fights. And then all of a sudden he's like, get louder and louder. You just didn't, you know, he was loud. So just so, give a story behind the scenes like how loud he was. The light wasn't on, you know.

Oh, I got you. It's, so that's, I guess that's kind of how algorithm of what the social media is. You're loud, but if not enough people are paying attention right away, then it doesn't seem that loud. This is a good point. But as soon as more people are paying attention, what happens?

More people start putting the camera on you more and more and more and more and more. So more and more people start to see you. And it starts to grow and grow and get louder and louder. Yeah, he was, he was, he's been that guy. He's been, he's been that guy. What was your first interaction with him. Connor, I was actually, my interaction actually with him is not been many. I don't think we've ever had a couple, but not, not many.

I actually was at his first ever UFC fight. First fight. First, he's first ever UFC fight, but I wasn't in the UFC at that point. I was cornering a, I was cornering a friend of mine, Michael Johnson in Stockholm, Sweden. Does any of you live here, Michael Johnson? Yeah. Yeah. We have lunch at the house a month ago. Yeah. Yeah.

Roll nice guy. Yeah. So I was, Michael Johnson was, was fighting in Stockholm, Sweden, and I was cornering him. And I was one of his main training partners at the time. So I'm a cornered Michael Johnson and there's this guy. I didn't really know too many guys on the card at that time in the UFC, but there's this guy, Irish guy, but I knew who he was fighting. A kid named Marcus Brimmisch who had trained with us a little bit. And so they get in the fight and I'm just like, okay, I know Marcus Brimman, I know he's telling the guy, very tough guy. And who's this guy's fighting? And then Marcus

told us, oh, it's this young guy that they're, they're, you will see promoting their pushing and this and that. And I never heard him. I'm like, okay, I see this, you know, little, you know, slim guy there at the time. And so they get in and this Irish guy and they're finding and I'm like, oh, he's not bad. He's actually really good. And yeah, and- 24, look what it looks like.

It's not 24, it's not 24. Yeah, it's not 24. Nothing slim, skinny, sucked down, 145 pounds. And goes out there and makes it look flawless and He's just brash and he gets on the mic and he's good on the mic real good, and Like not bad, but I you know, I've seen plenty of fighters come and go and come in hot and go But it's after that. I think maybe one more fight and then they had a whole series on Fox, you know, like a two or three part series on Fox.

So now we're starting to see him on this side of the world. And so it just grew and grew and grew. And you know, he was just a guy that was at the right place, right time, that knew how to capitalize on the opportunity. And then have Ireland on your back, one of the, I mean, for UFC, to me, he was like, he just put them on his back, and then UFC, and then with the Jose Aldo,

and then that was it, bro. That was just... And it was my fall-up-to-past question about personality and persona. So your younger brothers just getting started in the UFC, right? So I'm gonna use it as a case example. So in business, you have two major elements, right?

You have the product, then you have the marketing. So your brothers just getting started, or any young fighter that's getting started, how do you balance the product being a good fighter, actually having the skills with the marketing, right? Like you see, like, patty the baddie pin, but another Irish guy. I mean, I can't look away from that guy, right?

Conor, for instance, or even Colby, right? But there's other guys that are just straight from that guy, right? Connor, for instance, or even Colby, right? But there's other guys that are just straight, great products, right? Adesanya, yourself, whoever you wanna put, Nagano. What advice would you give your brother as far as the products versus the marketing? Well, I mean, it's tough nowadays.

It's really tough because the lines are blurred. They've been blurred. And so I think all these guys are struggling with finding the identity of where they want to be because your bark can be louder than your bite. And so that's what you're seeing now. That's what we saw this last weekend. It can't be that way. With Colby, I mean. Yeah. But my brother is kind of struggling with that, you know, in a bit because I know my brother. I know the things that make him great. I know the qualities that make him great, make him likeable and make him funny. The things that, that he does,

that make him, you know, make him an interesting character. But him in his head, I don't think he sees it that way, the way that I, because I guess they would say, it's an eye or the beholder, I don't, he don't see himself the way that I see him, the way I know the world would see. That makes sense. And so he might not necessarily want to put that side of him

out for the world to see. But even though I think, and I know now that that might equate to dollars, he might not agree to that. He might not see it that way. And so especially the cameras are very powerful thing. Once the cameras in your face boom, it changes a lot. You know, people change.

Some people come on and some people go on the show. And I think a lot of people are struggling with that, especially as fighters because now, not only are you just a a fighter you have to be an entertainer as well and for me I think it was a little easier because we were still growing into this social media age and To where I just wanted and for me I didn't care about being famous when I came in it wasn't about being famous It was just about when I came in. It wasn't about being famous. It was just about competing, being great at something, and of course, having a cup of dollars in my pocket. Who do you think does it the best? Meaning, has the bark and has the bite and does it the best to date or all time, all time, and today and all

time just all time. As it all, the showmanship, but also the skills to pay the bill. It makes martial arts or just fight sports in your world and UFC world, and you have to see a world. In my world, I mean, it has to be Connor, you know, for, it has to be Connor, because we had never really seen it go to that level. Because, I mean, we saw a little bit with Chale, but, you know, as much as I love Chale, there was just certain, Chale was just

kind of handicapped in certain ways. He wasn't as excellent of a striker as certain as Connor was and at the end of the day, people will love to see you knock somebody out because that's just, as far as men, that's something that we, you know, you have a problem with the neighbor down the street, you wish you can just walk down and knock him out. So we love to see that. And Connor was in a position where he was doing that. He was able to say, I'm down and knock him out. So we love to see that. And Connor was in a position where he was doing that. He was able to say, I'm gonna knock you out and goes out there and actually gets a knockout. He picks the round too, right? Yeah, and so that was something I was so appealing by him.

And he was just, it was great. Everything was just, he was at the right place, right time in society where he had that accent to that funny little accent to where it's and the world loves accents. He loved us. You know, and so that it was just the perfect combination and at the time where he was really on top, I think, you know, Connor, I would say. Who's doing it the best now?

Honestly, I don't know. I'm kind of pulled away from that. But if I would say who's doing it the best now? Honestly, I'm going through the way it causes. I don't know. I would say Israel was doing great, but you know, it's not, he's not necessarily, uh, Israel is a showman, but it's, it's, I would say, I don't know, honestly, right now, I don't, I don't really know. I don't know a guy that's, that's really delivering like that to say, you know what, I'm going to stop this guy in this realm and this, how am I going gonna do it and go out there and actually risk it and do it because what we do is so difficult.

You know, it looks easier on TV, but it's so difficult once you're in there, you realize I'm really trapped in the cage. Are there any guys that you're like, okay, so let's just say Patty, or are there anybody who's like, this guy has a shot, that guy has a shot or not really anybody coming up. No, there's some guys coming up, but that the personality might not be there yet.

You know, there's, there's, Hamza Chimaya. I think he plays the role very, very well of, yeah, everyone's just, yeah, everyone's just, you know, scared of his presence of his character. Yeah, everyone's just, yeah, everyone's just scared of his presence of his character. Yeah, he's a beast. Yeah, and so he kind of embodies that. And of course, he has this accent too, and it comes in, I've got to kill everybody.

So it's kind of appealing to where people want to hear more. So he's a good, really good fighter. There's a guy that's actually fighting for the featherweight championship, Ilya Tuporia. And he's, I think he's from Spain. He's a Spanish guy. But a good looking kid can fight, you know, can fight and deliver a great fight, stand up fight, can wrestle, you know, can fight and deliver a great fight, stand up fight,

can wrestle, you know, decently well. He makes martial artists. And I think he has the potential to be a star because he has all the components. Good looking guy can fight, you know, the way that people want to see, see him fight. So 26. Yeah. And he just has all the component components to where he could be a star. Oh, Sean O'Malley. Yeah, sugar Sean. Sugar Sean O'Malley. I think is, he's doing a really good job of just kind of branding and he's a good talker. He's a good talker.

Yeah. Good talker. And he can fight. And Adam, not to correct, but I mean, I have to, you know, people are going to talk crap. Patty, the baddie, he's not Irish. He's from England actually but that accent is crazy that accent you Just throw that out the good. I know people like what is he talking about the accent is so hard Vinnie from where he fuck you up for a crack them in a book you know No, yeah, it's it's different because he's I think it's he's just I'll never pull scousers acts. Yeah crazy. It's a

It's what was the movie snatch for with Brad Pitt when you understand. Yeah, you know, he was saying the guy Richie I'm gonna cover him. Yeah, he's entertaining his hell, bro Well, he's doing yeah, and he's doing he just one he just won. Yeah, he's he's He's getting there, but it's it's To really see that asc sentient that Connor got, you got to fight in a particular sort of way. Of course, Mr. Marshall is still growing. The world doesn't exactly understand the intricate details of what we're doing.

You take a guy down and you're working for submissions, the world doesn't necessarily understand that. The world still understands two men's stand and slugging it out. They understand that. You have a problem, you know, this is how we do it. And so, Connor was that guy. To where Connor didn't necessarily want to be grappling and doing all that.

He knew how to grapple, but he necessarily want to be there. He wanted to throw a fist to cuffs and get you out of there. And that's what I think was. What are the chances he makes a comeback? You see how massive he is? Well, I was just gonna say that,

come on, he lost in 2021. He fractured his leg, everybody. So I couldn't even watch it. And I mean, you can deny it. If you see before and after, right now, he's thicker like Adam said, his facial structure is changing. I mean, I get it.

When you're that rich and you get the top notch, you know, recovery and all that stuff. But do you, like, is there any hormone or growth or something? Because I know you have to be taking something to heal that bone and he healed pretty fast. Do you think that there's anything? I don't want to, the thing is, I don't want to speculate,

but I mean, you know, when you, when you pull, it's kind of difficult. When you pull yourself out of the testing pool and then, you know, now I'm going to make it come back and you go jump back in. You know, it raises a lot of eyebrows, but I don't want to speculate on what he's doing or not. But I do think if he does, which he will fight, I think it seems like he's going to fight again. He does fight. I think it, I mean, it's, it's going to be big, big news. It's everyone's going to watch it because he's just that big of a star.

He's gotten himself to that point. What I was with an easy W or a challenging guy. There's, that's the thing with mixed martial arts, there's no such thing as an easy W. This is literally the sport where anything can happen at any time. There's no such thing as an easy fight. You can think this is easy fight,

but even the guy on the street has a punch or chance. He connects at the right time. Guess what? You're waking up asking what happened. Yeah. So there's no such thing as an easy fight. I for Conner I just don't think I do think he makes a comeback. He wins some he might win fights here and there, you know. But I just don't see him becoming a champion again because it's a different mindset to be there. And it's very, very tough to plug in to that. Was he supposed to fight him and Chandler were building up, weren't they?

Come on. That's why though. It's because the power of broke when you're hungry coming up, you're salivating and getting your shot. And then when you make a few hundred million dollars that the fire to wanna get up early, train, the distractions, I gotta go do a photo shoot,

I gotta go have dinner with this guy, I gotta go do this. Celebrities are calling to get away. And at the beginning, no celebrities calling you, just kind of like you have plenty of time to train. Yeah, I, it's all of that. It's a combination of all of that. And what it boils down to is, is the commitment that it takes. When you're on the way up, you, there's only one direction you're looking.

And that's just where I want to get to. If your goal is I want to make a million dollars and that's all you're focused on. And in order for me to get there, I need that belt, I need that belt, I need that belt. That's all you think about, that's all you focus about. Subconsciously, it just becomes your whole, that's what you fixated on. That's where you're going, that's where you're going. And you could have bumps in the road, things that kind of, you know, slow you down, but you're looking one way. The whole time you're plugged in.

You know, the light might dim here and there, but you're plugged in the whole time and you're getting up there. But when you get there, now different things that you didn't expect, responsibilities are there. Because all on the right up, all you have is time to train. No one's calling. You know, one's, you know, you don't have to go to New York and promote this fight or do this.

And then you're there for two, three days, which is, as two, three days, out of training. So all you're doing is you're doing all these things and you don't realize you're truly separating yourself from the pack, because you're so plugged in with what you're doing. But then once you get there, those two, three days were two, three days that when you put in, you know,

and your mind knows in the back of your head, I'll put those extra two, three days in. These guys can't touch me. I'm better than everybody. It subconsciously creates that identity. And so when you don't have that or you're pulled this way and that way and this way and that way, the world is catching up because everyone, there's guys that are looking up to that position and they're coming up,

they're still moving. But now your progression is not as fast as it was. It's slowly starting to dim now. So they're starting to catch up a little bit and catch up a little bit. But then boom, something happens. And when you're up there, the only way to go is down. You go down a bit. And now having to plug back in, that's the conflict. Because now you know what it took to get there. You know the level of commitment that that was.

You knew that you were getting number 6am running extra when you didn't really need to and you didn't have to but you just on the right up you were just like yeah this might help me I'm gonna do it because it might help me but now you just woke up and silk sheets you know what I'm good I'm good I'm just gonna go to the 10 a.m. training that's that's good I don't need to run a six a.m. I'll go to the 10 a.m. training so when I don't even need to run a six AM. I'll go to the 10 AM training. So when you do all that, everyone's starting to catch up. Now it makes it difficult to have plug back in.

How do I, can I plug back in? So that decision to plug back in to be able to get back up there, that's very difficult to do when you don't have those, you're not hungry You know you had steak last night, you know then what are you? What do I want to eat tomorrow I can eat anything I want or when you didn't have it. It's like I would love steak and surf and turf You're eating ramen noodles at that point. It's like so the decision to be able to plug back in, I think it's going

to be, I think he's bad. I don't think I know he's battling with like, how do I become that guy again? How important is age? Because you guys are pretty similar age. I think he's one year younger than you. You're 36. He's 35. How much does age, and we've seen Tom Brady playing until he's 45. We see 40s, the bronze about to be 40. The 40 number isn't as big of a deal as it was a couple generations ago, or even last generation. Your 35 is 36. How much is age play a factor in that comeback, so to speak? Oh, definitely play the factor.

I mean, we're not Tom Brady. We're not. We don't have 350 pound guys protecting us. And we're just throwing a ball. You know, not to say that that's not hard. That's extremely difficult. And I mean, what Tom Brady's done is IQ being able to break down defenses and you know, he's a goat and it's right in this sport. But we are literally breaking our bodies all day, every day. And you know, yes, the world only gets to see us

for that 25 minutes while we're up there, but they don't see the five months that we put in to get there. That's even more difficult. That 25 minutes is just a fun part. You know, that's the fun part that you guys just get to see. That's not what kills us.

That's not what breaks our bodies. It's the months and months and weeks and weeks of practice that we're putting in twice a day. Sometimes some guys are getting in three a days. You're lifting, you're grappling and you're sparring and you're doing this. So it's all of that. At the end of the day, the one thing that doesn't change is evolution is what we're it's not just evolution is time as a human being. This is what is has been created is you're born you age and then your body deteriorates and you pass. That's going to happen that hasn't stopped that's not going to stop until I mean let someone create some magical pill that just stops all of that. But, yeah, age please factor.

You know what Rogan said about your body was wild. I'm sure you heard what he had to say. Famously he's like, dude, this guy's an absolute savage. He's a beast, but his knees are all messed up. He has to walk on the grass, not the sidewalk. Sometimes you have to walk downstairs backwards. This is what all Rogan said. But he goes, it's all about his mindset.

Physically, he's messed up, but mentally he it's all about his mindset physically. He's messed up But mentally he's top notch. How do you how does that all work? Yeah, I mean I did that for years It was funny. I was like man I've been doing this for years. I was walking down backwards for to where I can close my eyes middle of the night dark And just walk downstairs backwards without grabbing the railing like moonwalking I got so good at it. Because of the pain. It was, initially was, because I was just like, you know why don't we try this?

Cause I had a micro fracture surgery in 2015. And that's because I had no cartilage in that knee and they were bone on bone and they just create so much arthritis and it was just so painful, just walking. And I just always felt like we're just loose bodies and things in there. And so I was like, let me try going down backwards one day.

And I went and they just kind of relieved the pain of, you know, coming down my, hmm, let me start trying that. So I just started doing that everywhere and it just became part of my day. Just walking backwards. I'm just backwards to start trying that. So I just started doing that everywhere and it just became part of my day. Just walking backwards. I'm just backwards coming downstairs backwards. But I think last year I started coming back. I started walking normally again

because I realized I what it did over time. Because when you come down the stairs a certain way or go up the stairs a certain way, it does build muscle in a certain way. It builds your the stairs a certain way or go up the stairs a certain way It does build muscle in a certain way it builds your legs in a certain cornerback training going back. Yeah safety It builds it builds a different type of conditioning and I was just like wait. Yeah, I have I've been doing this for years now Maybe we read I didn't you know,, it wasn't the greatest thing for me. And so now, but the pain level is not where it used to be anymore,

you know, I've done a couple of stem cells and it's helped quite a bit. Let me ask this, when I look at, like in the business world, when you lose, it's not business, in entrepreneurship, you lose every day. You lose clients, you lose employees, you lose best salespeople, you lose contracts, you lose capital, you were raising, your company goes out of business. There's many things, you're constantly losing.

But it's not on paper view with tens of millions of people watching you when you're losing. Because you lose, people in the company know competitors, no industry knows, but it's not on the paper. The next day with viral clips going off and it's got a few hundred million views and everyone's watching it, right? For you, when I look at the list of fights you have,

you beat Edwards, you've beat Colby, I think you beat him twice, right? Did you, yeah, you beat him twice, Gilbert Burns, which by the way, to me, I don't know how much credit Gilbert Burns get. He's a dog of a fighter. So this is not an easy fight to beat him. You beat him.

You beat Mazvedal, I think also twice. Yeah, you beat him twice. Obviously, you have that one clip where everyone's seen and we're sitting there. And I'm saying, you know, Mosvedel's about to get him. And I'm on the other side. I'm like, he's about to get him. And then we're sitting with friends

and like, damn bad, he got Mosvedel. And then you and everybody's like, what the hell just happened? Made no sense that knockout may be one of the wildest knockouts in UFC. And then, who am I missing? You, oh, Tyrone Woodley, which by the way, at one point he was a guy that could have gone up and, you know, maybe Dana didn't like

the fact that he wasn't a showman. And he would fight, point fights, you beat him. And then Edwards, quite guy, guy you beat before, he catches you in the fifth round with whatever minute left. And then another one, and then comes out in the last round with whatever minute left and another one and then comes out in the last fight that you had. I think you only had two weeks and he didn't knock you out and went five rounds. There was a, you know, a decision that that was made. How do you go from the high of, you know, one of the most viral knockouts of all time against Mazvedal?

You beat Kobe back to back and that one conference where he's sitting there. You guys are talking shit. You're dressed in a suit, I believe. I think you were dressed in a suit and you professionally talking and he's just calling you out, calling you out. Let's go, let's go right now. Well, let's go right now. And then it goes to this.

How do you manage the super, super high to the super low in your world? That's a good question. It's a very, it's a very tough thing to be able to do because um, you don't really plan for that. No one plans for that. Like I said, when you're, when you're going a certain way, you only look one way and that's up. You're just looking up, up, up, up, up, up. And no one thinks about, oh, what if I go down? And that's what they tell you. You don't, you don't think about the negatives or what could happen You're just you're supposed to be just focused on this part But no one really teaches you how to deal with with that So I think for me the big the big advantage that I had is I was never really attached to that

I didn't get into the sport saying man, I want to be famous or I want to be one everyone to see me I got into this going man. I really love to compete and show like what I've been working on the skills and things that I want to best that other man, I want to be in that competition, I want to be the best in that competition. That was really what I was attached to and making money of course. I mean, I wanted to be able to provide for my family and then support them. So that was what I was attached to. So, you know, being once I got there, I didn't necessarily, you know, it was like, oh, man, I love this.

I love being famous. I didn't necessarily care about that. I still don't care. It still kind of makes me feel a certain way when people kind of run up and, you know, who want pictures or autographs, even though I've grown into the role, it's still kind of as a little. Because deep down inside in my mind,

it's like people want pictures and autographs for me, you're still that kid in the back of your mind. But it's a difficult place to be because there's a lot of depression that comes with that. Because once you're, you're, for me, I would say that part is from like I mentioned wanting to be the best at it. I want to be known as the best because I put the time and the work into be the best. And so when that's not the case, you're not being recognized

as that, there is that depression that comes with that. But over time, I learned kind of how to, you know, tools to deal with that. And of course, having a good support system around you. What is that? What's that? Because those tools, the systems. Well, first and foremost, is acknowledging an understanding that it's going to happen. Whether you win, it's going to happen. Even the most, the mass for the all knockouts, you're on this high, man, a week, two weeks, three weeks, then it's, it fills out in your home.

It's like, what's next? And then you kind of, you come down from that, and then there's depression that comes with it. And you have to be able to know how to recognize that, acknowledge it, and be able to, okay, this is the things that I do to be able to help me get back out there, or get my mind off of this, or pivot. And for me, my family, of course, is some fighters don't have that

to where it's solely them. So when it's just you, that's a very difficult thing to be able to deal with. But for me, I have a child, you know, and she comes in the room and she wants to play. You got to play because and what you not realize in is I get you away from from just sitting there drowning in your your sorrows like, man, I just lost this fight or what am I doing today? What do I do next week? So my family is my support system and how I deal with that, but definitely understanding because some guys don't understand, why do I feel the need to go to go outside? Why do I feel the need to do this?

Why do I feel the need that I just I'm just inside and I'm sad for what for what reason? So there's a lot of that that comes with it. But you know, it's, you know, I'm kind of in that place now where it's, and I've always been had these crossroads kind of in my career. You know, I have a crossroads. Do you pivot or do you do something? Do you, do you double down on this? Do you pivot? Do you double down on this?

And now obviously getting into the business world too is trying to understand that because it's very difficult. You touch on something in business, in business you lose in every day, but there's not that magnifying glass, that scope on it for the world to see. And which makes it very, very difficult because now starting to get into the business world,

it's like, I'm starting to understand that. And I'm not all the way in there yet. So, you know, it's been difficult, but it's, you know, it's learning. How do you learn? What do you read? Who do you listen to? How do you get better at business? Well, that's something that I'm still working on. I'm working on there. I do, you know, listen, look at, you know, a few guys, but I mean, the best teacher is experience. I mean,

this experience, you know, if you never experience it, it's very difficult to just listen to everybody because what worked for that guy might not be what works for you. And so, you know, just just going off of what someone has done. Obviously, that's a good roadmap, but I guess experience getting in there and understanding, wow, okay, I did that. That wasn't great. Don't do that again. That I think that's the best teacher. It's kind of like with fighting. Like you can watch the video tapes and read all the books and have a trainer,

but unless you get in the gym and see what it feels like to get punched in the face, you're never gonna have, no books can I tell you what it's like to get punched in the face. Very true, but I mean, obviously there's, there's coaching that's involved in everything. If you want to be the best, you know, because a coach might be able to teach you skills

that you don't necessarily know. So yeah, I'm definitely in that position. I have a few people around that. And now that's the good thing now is you have access. You know, I guess that's what the popularity kind of buys you. It's a little bit of access to be able to be around great people and great men that can teach you some of those things. But yeah, I've, you know, business is not as easy.

Who's the wildest person? You know, when you're winning because in the content world, you'll make a piece of content and eventually some of the stuff goes viral and then someone will DM you and they'll say, hey man, I just want to let you know. I don't say this publicly, but I follow your content. Your stuff is good, right? Oh, good, right?

You follow the kind of shit that's great. And our first time it happens, it's a real, unique experience for a content creator. But for you as a fighter, when you start coming up and then all of a sudden winning and then dominating and then pound for pound number one, the talks, possibly the top five greatest of all time. This was the conversation just a year and a half ago.

It's not like we're talking 10 years ago, right? So when the conversation's like that happen, goats are attracted to goats. So who were some goats that reached out to you, called you out of nowhere, or ran into you, or wanted to have dinner with you, where you're like, dude, I'm having dinner with this guy. This is pretty well. What was that moment for you?

It's been a lot. I mean, and it's still happening. I guess you don't know your reach, because it's not, yeah, we're connected. We're all connected now now but they say there's there's there's kind of there's a reason why you know like let's say Instagram for for example there's a reason why the picture that you posted you know my your story might have more more eyes than the actual people that liked your picture

that you post, you know, more people are watching than you actually do know. And so, I mean, I'll run into people and they're just like, you know, I'm a fan. And these are people that I've watched or grew up watching. I'm a fan of, say hi. And they're like, oh yeah, we know who you are. And I was like, oh really, you know me? I mean, I've had that moment a few times. What was the first one though? What was the first one?

Because that's the one that say it's different. Once you experience it. I guess it's different, I guess it's different level of what celebrity are. And there's been some big ones. And I guess at the time some might be huge to me and then you get to a certain level and they get really, really big.

I mean, I've, Shaq, I mean, me and Shaq are pretty cool. We've been around each other quite a few times. Shaq is cool. And I think spending time getting to know him a little bit, you realize. Super likable guy. That's a cool guy.

That's a guy I could hang around with for a whole week. It just be cool. Being meetin' Tom Brady, when it's actually funny, how Tom Brady and I kind of, uh, uh, so Tom Brady's, is a fight fan. He comes to fights sometimes and, um, he, um, he was at my fight in, I think he's been a couple of my fights, but the one that I remember was he's at my fight in Jacksonville with the Mass with all the second fight And so after that I mean that fight because it was the first I believe the first sporting event back with a live audience in the world and so

After that fight I'm in the back and just you know, there's doing the back of house stuff media and all of this and you know, there's doing the back of how stuff, media, and all of this. And that night was probably one of the most memorable nights that I've had because just seeing my family around back, it was the first fight my father got to attend live. And so having just everyone there was just having a great time. And my daughter was awake and she was just loving it. And I just, you know, remember I'm talking to her and she comes to the back and we're talking and she's having a great time. And she's like, oh man, I asked her if she had a great time. She's like, yeah, I'm having a great time.

And she told me, yeah, I was taking a lot of pictures. I was like, oh, that's cool, you know, because that's the thing is I just, she's always been around me all the time. And so she goes, yeah, I was ticked picture with this baseball player and this other guy. I was like, oh, this baseball player, she's like, yeah, I took a picture with him. And she's like, oh, my chia va took a picture with her. So I'm like, oh, okay, cool. So I didn't really pay any attention on a baseball player. I knew a few, I knew a few baseball players. Which I love baseball, and I knew a few baseball players at the time.

I'm just thinking, oh, baseball, there's a lot of celebrities out there. You know, baseball player. So, I'm like, oh, cool. So then I get the picture later on. Fombring. It's a picture of a, it's on her IG. It's pretty, 2014 and I see the picture and I'm like, wait, no, this can't be the baseball players. So, because her aunt sent me the picture.

So I, she's in bed. And so I wait for her to wake up the next day. I'm like, is this the baseball player? She goes, yeah, yeah, that's him. I'm like, oh, really? That's the baseball player. Tom Brady, she's like, yeah. And so when I actually went to the game

that New Orleans versus a Tampa, that's when I met Tom again. And we actually got a chance right there. We got chances actually speak and catch up. And he's like, oh, how are you? How's your daughter? And I'm like, how's your daughter? Like my daughter, she's fine. Because how's your baseball game?

What's the game? You're her favorite baseball's fine. Cause how's your baseball game? What's the game? You're her favorite baseball player. I think I told him the story, but I'm not sure I'm like, you would believe what she did. That's so funny. Yeah, so I mean, Tom Brady, I'm, it's been a ton of other guys,

like actors, musicians, a lot of, a lot of musicians, because I'm, I love music, you know. So right now Toby and Wigway, good friend of mine, and he's just a rising artist. And the one thing that I just, he's like a brother to me. And the one thing that I just love about him is he's so authentic to who he is. He's a family man and he takes his family everywhere. And I'm just like, man, I would love that luxury to be able to just take them at whatever I'm doing there there, front and center.

His kids are getting a front row seat of seeing what mommy and daddy does on a daily basis. And not that they're missing out. They have tutors and they have babysitters with them. That's family members with them all the time. And I'm just watching. I'm just like, man, how great is this because we don't see this anymore. You know, people don't get that, especially not kids nowadays. They don't get to see that. And just watching him walk and ascending, what he's doing is just it's amazing. That's cool. With the, you know, the stories of who you meet. I remember Tom was at the event with us and my son, the youngest Andele, and it's like, you know, I want

to catch up off from you and Tom's like, what are we waiting for? Let's go right now. And it was just such a gamer like you just wanted to go out there. And, you know, you would think from one end, this guy's the greatest to ever lace him up in football. But on the other end, this guy's just a regular guy who, you know, wants to compete and play the game as much as the other guy does. So you also went across the middle from Tom B. You got one and Dressers. I mean, at the vault. Come on. I'm sorry. I caught that ball, but... No one called me for contract, though. It's just a point out. The Assyrian nightmare could have been you, though. The Assyrian assassin.

The Assyrian assassin. The Assyrian assassin. So going back to UFC, you know, with these fights that are taking place. So Jake Paul has a fight with the sky. I don't, you know, Andre August, right? And then George Enko goes and flies out to Romania and he sits down with Andrew Tate and they have this interview, right? And the interview does very, very well.

George is a phenomenal interview, a Syrian guy. We make the introduction, they go, they have a great time, Andrew is like, absolutely, I'd love to sit down with him. And the interview was, by the way, he's actually a fan, I don't know if you saw it or not, he's a phenomenal interviewer. But it leads to this conversation about the tape brothers finding Jake and Logan Paul.

I just want to play this to get a reaction to see if you have any reaction. This is George, asking Andrew, and it will play the video from Logan Paul, given his thoughts. Go for it. Okay. Two brothers, one cage.

Jake Logan, you Tristan, who comes out of life. You know what? I'm trying so hard to not start internet beats. I'm really trying not to. I'm, you could say Jake and Logan, man. Bro, where am I? No, I can't lie. Well, I'm going through life.

I'm trying to live peaceful now. There were fat agents in my house. Matrix is after me. I'm just trying to live peaceful. But of course, I have absolute faith in myself and my brother. And I know what we've been through. And I know the kind of men we are. So now play the clip from, play the clip from what Logan says.

Go for it. That's that's delusion. That's delusion. I'm sorry. Look, Andrew fighter, legitimate bad asthma, the fucker, strong mentality. Sorry, Tristan Tate is a weak link. I say let's run. He got a bad shoulder. He's he shaped like a gingerbread man. I don't want no beef, but but that's the ocean. PFO will set this up. Uh-oh. A MMA double tag. 10 million for everybody. You might have a fight on your hand.

That will go crazy. Let's do it. No seers is. I'm about to action. I'm less talk now, like, let's just fucking go. Yeah, but you know for a fact, me and Jake will travel to Romania. We will make this happen. We'll do it wherever you want, whatever conditions you want.

That's the- Okay, so obviously we talked earlier about who are good talkers and personality and shit talkers, all that stuff. I mean, Jake is fighting making 10 million, 20 million of fight that he's setting up, right? They're making all this money with all these fights. What do you think about the idea,

Jake and Logan Paul fighting Andrew and Tristan Tate? I mean, what kind of fight? What are they doing? Exactly. It's a boxing or is MMA? You know, if it's, if it's MMA fight, I think that favors Jake and Logan. It favors if it's MMA. For sure. Jake and Logan, for sure. To wait, Jake and Logan, yeah, Logan, they favors them. Why would you say that?

I mean, they actually wrestled. Yeah, but these guys got the kicks, man, they're kickboxers. Yeah, that's actually disadvantage when it comes to wrestlers. If I catch a kick and you fall down, it's different. And it's a different balance. When you're a kickboxer, you have to be a little bit more upright because you have to be able to check kicks and stuff. When you're a boxer, you have to be a little bit more split stance you have to be able to check kicks and stuff. When you're a boxer, you have to be a little bit more

split stands because you have to give half your body. So it's different styles, but once you get that take down, a kickboxer or a boxer has no, see, people don't realize that the regular human don't realize just- The regular, the regular. I guess I would say, wait, the civilian human. say the civilian human doesn't realize

that it's an actual scale to be able to get off of your back. As a man, can you imagine being held on your back and someone just tells you, get off your back and you can't do it? Think about that. Yeah, think about that. Yeah, it sucks. I could hold somebody on their back for a day or two if I wanted to. And you just, you are just on your back. Then you want to give it a shot.

I can feed you grapes. If I, if I, if I, and there's a bathroom break on your back, yeah, and there's nothing you can do about it. It's like that's, you're saying wrestling is the most important thing? Or just grappling? It makes martial arts. Yeah. 100%.

It's grabbing that grip. 100% because the thing is, if you think about a fight, there's only three places of fight. There's three positions to a fight. Think about it. We're both standing up, trading punches. That's one, that's a neutral position. We're both standing up. Two, I could be on my back, you punches, that's one, that's a neutral position, we're both standing up.

Two, I could be on my back, you're on top of me, landing punches, or I could be on top of you on your back, landing punches. So 67% of a fight takes place on the ground. Now as a wrestler, my discipline is being able to control which real estate, that fight is taking place. So I'm well versed at being down there.

So 67% of, I'm, is a chance that I'm gonna win this fight. And then there's a 33% chance that in a neutral position, anything can happen. So think about that. Most people don't think about that. I want two thirds of a fight. I've won already because of being a wrestler to just a normal person who knows how to throw hands. And so if I'm well versed in that

place, I can take you down there or I have the ability to stop you from taking me down there. So it's yeah, if you if you can wrestle, that that's one of the most important aspects of being able to defend yourself. So in high school, you were what 55 and three or some some right now. No, it was definitely more than that. But it's I think that was my senior year, my senior season. And is that why you're saying is that why you're saying that the Paul brothers having the

wrestling background that's that big of an advantage. So it's an advantage. I mean, obviously, it's declined because they haven't been wrestling continuously. Logan has been doing a WWE thing. Yeah, but that's different. That's it. That's it. You're so fun. I'm just saying you're so fun. That's it.

That's it. Well, on breaking news, you're saying that WWE isn't real? I'm sorry. Rob, those are crying. Well, I didn't say that. those are crying. I do say that. Yeah, but I do say that. But real quick, I want to know how important size is, because I got to stand up for my guy Tristan, because I actually asked Tristan that exact same question. When we were in Romania, I asked literally the same question, George Janko asked him.

I said, you and Andrew walking in a room, Logan, and the Paul Brothers, I said, who walks out of life? He's like, come on, I don't want to play this juvenile game, but come on. Yeah, but my point is that Tristan is bigger than any of those guys. Tristan's a legit six, four big ass dude. Yeah, no, size is important for sure, but listen, don't get me wrong.

I'm not saying Tristan doesn't stand a chance. I like that. No, absolutely not. I'm not saying that. Like, this is just a fight. Yeah. They definitely is just a fight. Yeah. They definitely have a good chance. I would say probably, I would have said,

and you take probably is the more, you know, Versatile One, the more skilled one, out of all of them, but, you know, Jake is definitely, it's coming on up. And you can, I can just tell from that interview, you can see the brothers and you see the differences. Jake is starting to turn into the athlete, the competitor initially wasn't like that. It was, it was just entertainment purpose. He's hand, I mean, still handpicking guys and, and you know, to test

himself, but that's boxing, you know, you got to get your bearings before he's jump into world championship fights. So, you know, more power to what he's doing, but he's hand picking fights, but he's starting to turn into an athlete. And you can see it just from sitting there, when you're an athlete and you're climbing, you start to get this chip on your shoulder. And you see the difference between him and Logan. Logan is more of the business guy. And Logan's obviously a little bit more mature, a little bit older to where he's more relaxed and in his answers to where Jake is kind of the chip on his shoulder

that we can do right now about the action. You can see that in them. So he's starting to become the athlete. What's Jake's upside? If he continues down this path, he's not doing sort of puff pieces and all that and he's actually fighting in the boxing world. Yeah, right? Because he fought Tyson Fury's brother. Tommy Fury didn't work out. He lost. That was the first like an act away. But he had a good fight. Yeah, it was a good fight.

I didn't know that. But he lost. Yeah, he wasn't stopped. I mean, it wasn't like just being outclass in any way. No, it was close. And I think one point he knocked on me down. But what's his upside? If he continues down this path? He's pretty young.

What do you think? No, I mean, the sky's the limit. You know, he continues to do his thing. The sky's the limit. You know, what he's being able to do to blend what he is doing, blending both the entertainment aspect of it and still be able to compete is, is, you know, is I guess. I don't want to say he's one of the first to do it, but at this level, you know, is I guess I don't want to say it's one of the first to do it, but at this

level, you know, and in the beginning stages, when you're zero and zero and then you first fight and lower your second fight and you're getting these many eyeballs and the internet to watch this. I mean, it's, I mean, it's great. So you can put the internet. Would this be the biggest fight of all time? Most of you would fight a watch on the tates versus the balls. You don't think that they would get eyeballs. It goes in a cave. You don't take so. All right. This is the attention economy. And then the eyeball economy. Okay, what depends on what you got. Eyeballs all time. Eyeballs. Let's say I'm saying eyeballs. Listen, I guess, you know, for

entertainment aspect, because the world now is just so polluted with what we call entertainment. Like it's, it's, you know, the world isn't really, we just, it's just wanna be entertained by junk. And into junk, junk sells more than actual reality until the world gets real. And let's be honest, when a, a, may whether wanna defy many Pacakia, that's the world

recognizing that these are the two of the best athletes in their respective fields doing this. This is something special that we have to watch. And you saw what that did. That broke all records. But then you get another piece like Mayweather and McGregor Where it's two of the best in their respective sports But you know

Curious we just want to see what this looks like so the world tunes in but I mean you just get guys I just fighting for the heck of it. Now let's just you know lock the tape brothers in a room for these guys I mean that not they're not the best in their respective fields But they the best at getting eyeballs as my Yeah, but but but my thing is how many eyeballs did a way may whether low 80 280 million dollars on the price and McCregor make 130 but at the end of the day come on, it's like like all respect when people like no, you a hater I'm not a hater Logan and Jake Paul started Vine. There are social media guys, all right? Don't you think, like to me, this is me,

it lessens the integrity of the sport of boxing. It's like, okay, I get it that, you know, Jake is getting better and he's coming up a bro. And the fury guys, whatever, he ain't find a real professional boxer. That would be a completely different thing. And my question to you is come up like they're fight like they would never go MMA. Like an actual professional. They're

fighting these people. If you think Jake or Logan Paul, what he's saying is if they go MMA, they have the advantage. No, I'm saying, I'm saying in general, because they're not, who's the, who's the biggest guy Jake Paul's foughtawt? Like, could Logan Fawt, Logan Fawt, maybe whether and I was a... Just so you know what he's saying is, there is no case study to see who Jake Paulis Fawt in MMA because Jake is only box, right? Yeah.

I think the biggest thing is, is Andrew and Tristan, they're conditioning, they're not gonna be in the same conditioning as Logan and J. Carb, because Logan and J. Carb, like in their 20s, going running, the amount of distractions Andrew and Tristan have had right now, like there's no way you set up that fight if you need paid it.

They don't need to make money. They're okay when it comes onto that side, but it would get a lot of eyeballs. I would have liked to have seen them peak to peak competing to see what that looks like, but Ushk Kamaru is clearly saying, he's not saying if they do boxing, Jake and Logan have the advantage.

He's saying if they do mixed martial arts, they have an advantage due to their wrestling abilities. That would be very interesting. It's exactly what I'm saying. I mean, let's just say a fight. You know, there's no rules out there. If we're in street, it's a fight. You know, obviously without weapons, we're in a street to fight. Yeah. Obviously, Jake, and you look at a street fight. Most cases, where is that going to end? Yeah. Two guys rolling on the ground.

Yeah. Okay. You know, so if Jake and Logan and Logan have actually been trained at some point in how to take the fight down there or how to get up from there, I mean, you don't think they have the advantage when if a fight breaks out, they 100% do it now. And now they also have trained to stand and throw punches as well, you know, which before you would give that advantage to, you know, Andrew Tate because he, you know, had been kickboxing for a while. But, you know, that's a fight. Yeah. They have that advantage in that realm.

But I'm just gonna say it. I remember for the Tates. That's it. I want to see this. I'm not saying I'm rooting for this guy or that guy, but I'm just being, I'm just giving you the facts here. Yeah. Like, they would, because they know how, okay, if I grab this leg, I run him this way,

he's gonna fall down, if I run him that way, the balance, I compromise the balance, and I get him down there. So, yeah, that's a skill in itself. Being able to know that, it's different. If Andrew Tate was to grab a leg, I don't know if he trained wrestling, you know, but if he hasn't trained wrestling, it's a lot different. If Andrew Tate was to grab a leg, I'm not, I don't know if he trained wrestling, you know, but if he hasn't trained wrestling, it's a lot different.

Yeah, do you guys think, but here's my thing, the Tates aside, do you think that they would ever, I'm talking about the Logan brothers, they would transition, whatever. I can't really make my choice. Would they transit like, for instance, like would Lee went from, he's a MMA guy,

but he boxed, what's his name? Yes. One of the Jake Paul, what do you think he called? He's a Jake Paul. What I'm saying is, I do not think they would last two minutes in a ring with like a MMA guy that's no holds barred fight, like a real fight. Boxy.

He's fought Woodley. He's fought Woodley, so. No, what I'm saying is you but what I'm saying is if Woodley fought a Logan Paul and it was an MMA like UFC type fight who wins that fight. Oh, come on bro. I mean, it's dependent on what, you know, depend on time. You don't think of it. Woodley would absolutely destroy any of the fight brother destroy. I don't want to say destroy. I do think Woodley wins for sure, but I don't want to say destroy. I do think

Woodley wins for sure, but I don't want to say destroy. And MMA. I mean, the fight starts the fight. Start on the feet throwing hand. Oh, man. And you know, they've competed against each other, throwing hands. And we saw how that went. And so I wouldn't say all he would destroy. I do give Woodley the upper hand because Woodley is a better wrestler than them, at least accolade wise. But it's a different, it's a different game now. And then also you got to account for how much time are we giving them the train? Are we giving them a whole year and a half or two years to train for this?

You know, because that definitely makes, you know, it definitely makes things a little bit interesting, but I wouldn't say that they would never go into MMA because I think they're young enough and smart enough business-wise to where they understand if I'm gonna make X amount of dollars, why not? FTM, follow the mind. Would you ever participate in something like that?

Like in the future future doing like a boxing Exhibition or not. Is it called an exhibition or is that actually I mean yeah Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I you know not too long ago. I heard a hair first I was crazy enough to where I I really that's the thing. I was in my mind I was gonna get Conello. I want to, oh really? I want a Conello, so bad. Yeah. 2021, I want them so bad. You know, it's this thing, there's this oral invincibility that you, when you,

when you are an athlete, and you put so much time in, nothing can stop you. You are literally just a shield, nothing can stop you. And I want a Conello, bad. Oh, not even saying. you are literally just a shield, nothing can stop you. And I wanted Canelo back. Oh, not even saying. And I was, I was like, man, you know, so you saw what Francis and Tyson Fury, I was on that level of belief, if not more,

you know, I wanted Canelo. And in boxing straight up. Yeah. Oh, that'd be sick. I mean, why not? How do you think you would have done against Kinello? Your pride was done. Yeah. I think I would have given him hell for the first four rounds. For sure. I think I would have given him hell. But then after four,

let's be real here. These guys, that's what he does. This guy's doing this and it's a skill in itself. And you watch guys shadow box, you know. And it looks silly. All these guys are just punching air. But people don't realize how hard that is to do. You just do that. And these guys, it's a skill to be able to do it

for 12 rounds. 13, 20, however many rounds they choose to do that. Just to be able to have the level of just focus, just to be able to just sit there and punch air and imagine someone in front of you. It's a skill. And, you know, and they just have the timing. They, they, they see punches. They know the sequence of punches. If you're going to throw, you're going to hit them with the jab, jab right hand, they know a left hook is coming, they know the role, they know to do that. Like it's just a mastery that they learn. And so for the first four rounds, it's going to be a little confusing because my sequence is going to be a lot different than most boxers.

You know, boxers can throw five, six punch combinations. You know, I might hit him with two, he might be expected more. No, it's not coming. And then another one comes at, you know, so it's gonna take him time to be able to compete what's going on. But after four, I can't promise I'm gonna have to fight. By the way, I'm back in life that Mayweather counter-fight was better.

It was actually really, it really, it was a fight. No, it was very impressed with that fight. And it wasn't a waste of a, you're like, what a waste of money for this fight? I was actually entertained. Yeah. I was actually entertained.

Francis against Fury, who do you think won? This is your brother. So this is, this is, I mean, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I have to be honest with everything. When he comes to the, the, the way that boxing is scored down. And of course, they're going to give it to Fury because it's just I'm going to throw Pee Pat even though the punches don't land. I'm hitting. It looks like I have the activity and I'm moving my I'm just moving around, moving around, dancing around. Pee Pat, it looks like I have activity. So they're going to give him the fight just based on that. But if you're going to say

this was a fight who won this fight there's no doubt Francis and gotten one that fight. You know he hit him he dropped him. The more effective punches came from Francis. Or Francis hit Fury. Fury turned into a point fighter. And this is Tyson Fury the best that we have. People are saying the best ever. Which I don't think he's the best ever but I do think he's definitely not top five for sure. Which I don't think he's the best ever, but I do think he's definitely not top five. Yeah. For sure. But I don't think he's the best heavyweight.

Who do you have in your top five? Top five, you, you gotta put Lennox Lewis up there. You put Lennox in top five? Absolutely. Absolutely. Lennox Lewis, one of the most effective heavyweights you've ever seen. Like you can get past his tab.

Perfect. And then you can get, he had the power, he had footwork, and he had the tenacity to go out and get you out ever seen. Like you can get past his tab and then you can get he had the power he had footwork and he had the tenacity to go out and get you out of there. 100% output length Lewis up there. I mean, Evander Holyfield was a was a he was a fighter. Yeah. That Evander Holyfield. I think he wasn't necessarily the biggest guy but you know that's where heavy weights were really fine. You know what they weren't throwing 25 punches around. These heavy weights were throwing a bigger guy, but that's where heavyweights were really fine. They weren't throwing 25 punches around. These heavyweights were throwing 60, 70 punches around.

So far you got Lennox. I got Lennox Fury as Mike up there. I, yeah, for sure, I put Mike up there because Mike embodied everything that a fighter was. You know, he was scary before he was scary during he was scary after. He took it. And that's part of war, it's part of fighting

is you have to be able to evoke those emotions out of your opponents. You put Lennox ahead of Frazier. You put Lennox ahead of Frazier. When you put Lennox out of five. I put Lennox ahead of Frazier. When you put the list up five. I put Lennox top five. If you chose to do that, it's gonna be off. Yeah, I put Lennox definitely.

Yeah, I put him. So Ali's in your five? I put Ali in there because he revolutionized that. Frazier's outside of five. I mean, I would put him Frazier's outside of five. I mean, I would put him, yeah, just outside of my top five. I mean, if you've got, if you've got, you've got, you've got, if you've got Lennox, Holyfield, Tyson, Fury, Ali, you're just talking heavy weights right now. Yeah, just having that.

Because you know, Rocky Maltz, yeah, just heavy weight. Totally. Yeah. I mean, and then you've got guys like you've got what's big George Foreman. Yeah. You've got you've got Larry Holmes. You've got, I mean, there's there's some there's some real Joe Frazier. You've got, I mean, there's some, there's some, Joe Frazier, you've got, I mean, there's some real, real guys. But let me ask you a question about Tyson Fury back to him. Yeah.

And I say this with ultimate respect, I think he's a beast. You're one of the literally physically impressive guys out there. You're chiseled, you're ripped, it's ridiculous, bro. When you look at Tyson, he's, I mean, I was watching, I think that's what makes him, is that what it mean, I was watching it. I think that's what makes him. I was watching a fight with a girl, Nagano versus Tyson.

I go, just look at these guys before the fight. She goes, oh, the black guy's gonna kick his ass. Sloppy potato out here. I go, wait till you see who wins the fight, right? And I, because I knew Tyson was likely to win, but the fact that he's just not even in shape. Talking about, look at Tyson's Fury 6 pack. Look at that.

He's never had a lot of you talking about that. He's a beast, he's a savage, he's amazing. But how does he not even have like the shape? What's going on? Look at his range. It's not, you know, fighting is not necessarily about that. You know, just martial arts. It's not necessarily about the physique.

You know, there's some guys that are blessed with the genius. I know what I thought it was. And that's what adds to Tyson Fury's story. I mean, it's the fact that, yeah, he's proved. You don't have to look like Francis and Ghanom, who is just like, he built like a machine and to still be able to excel and to fight the way he does. And even in, you see it in Jiu-Jitsu,

you said your kids do Jiu-Jitsu. I mean, it's not necessarily the biggest, strongest, meanest looking guy out there that wins. You can have a little bit of scrawny guy just basically one circles. Yeah, like Hoy's Gracie, that guy was choking people out their guise. Okay, guys, so our abs just for show.

No, I mean, of course, Adam. Adam, come on. But it's good if they look good. What's up, Sam? They look good. Because the chances of Tyson Fury ever getting abs is like Rob getting abs over here. It's just not.

You mean Rob's abs out of this, I don't think. But cardio, stamina, nothing. No, he has cardio. Tyson, to be able to box 12 rounds Is you know his story do you know anything about what you're talking about with Tyson? If you're like do you know what this guy did? Who I know?

background Is I'm familiar with Tyson for you. There's probably the things you'll enlighten me on But no, no, I'm just saying like, this story is the ultimate story, come back redemption, the father, the family, who they were growing up in the streets, what the father was known for. This is a fighter's family. Like they're a, the, the,

Oh, I've seen his father, his brother, his brother's the best shape guy I've ever ever seen fighting. Yeah, he's in shape as well. But no disrespect to Tyson. I'd root for the guy. I'm a fan. He's a beast.

I'm just curious about the part that was interesting is his father named him after Tyson. Mike Tyson, yeah. Yeah, and Tyson still chose to be in Francis and Gano's corner. Wow. Instead of Tyson Fury and Francis. Oh, Mike Tyson doesn't know him. No, no, I call him. Well, I'm saying the name.

No, no, what I'm saying is, though, I mean, that's, that was part of the story. It was part of the story you needed for the fight, right? It was kind of like, look, you chose this guy's name, but he's going in the other guy's corner. It was to some people, they want to Tyson to destroy Francis. To some people like, dude, Francis is is gonna, what if he becomes a comeback, you know, he underdog and does what he does? That father himself is one of the most like entertaining guys

out there. We talk about shit. The ball, brothers, LaVar, ball, there, there, there, y'all, I mean, know what the father's doing these days. The father, you saw he, he flipped up the table before the three of the, he's a showman. Yeah, he's a showman. He's a showman. I mean, they understand, they, you know, they know what they're there for.

Oh, it's not. Good move. Frances, leaving UFC to go into boxing. Right now, of course, it seemed that way for sure. You know, I think for Frances, it wasn't necessarily about, because Frances, I think it was a star. You know, I've known Frances since his first fight in the UFC. And we've been close and I've, you know,

that's like my brother always, you know, got his back. And always will. And so he's always been a star to me. And it was just a matter of time for the world, recognize it. But I think he was going to get there eventually. I think it for him it was about freedom. It was it is having that you know he's he's had a interest in very, very interested life. So to feel that that freedom to be able to

do what he wanted to do as an athlete because we give so much of ourselves to this. I think that's really what it was about for him. And now he has it. He can box if he wants. He can do mixed martial arts if he wants. And that I think is the big win for him. I am so curious to know how he's gonna train.

Now that he knows, like you know when he says, uh, Fury comes up to him and he says, I'm gonna, you know, you're gonna be a student. I'm gonna teach you a lesson or whatever it is. Oh yeah, I actually saw it because I was in, I was in a ring. So we're getting out of the ring. Yeah. And, um, so Fury goes, uh, and his accent, get ready to go to school, son, you know, and his accent and And I didn't know if France has heard it, but I heard it, you know listen So I'm getting out of the ring before the fight and I hear him say it You know, it's just oh you don't know if France has heard it. I didn't know if France has heard it, but I heard

So did you tell friends? Just so you know, okay. That's why I'm, you're not saying. He's talking shit. He said he's good taking the school. No, no, not at all. I just, I heard him saying, I'm just like, I mean, it's just what, you know, you're in a competitive mode, like he's ready to go. And it was just, you know, just before even touch on that,

it was just something that there's an energy that you feel, right, when you're about to, when guys are about to compete. And I just, and this is not like any other sports. I get different. This is not a game that we're playing. Guys are about to fight. There's an energy that you see, that you see to, they're turning the human. You see two humans, and it's a spirit that obviously I'm used to seeing now.

But I'm in there with them, and it's like strip everything away. You see two kids in here, and then the little boys, they're bout to fight. Something's about to happen. And I said first time, because from afar, you see Tyson Fury, he's big massive star. He's this competitor. And I see him in there. And then the nervousness and all of this with all the guys,

with both guys, him and Francis, you see it. And then he says that, and when he's saying, so I'm seeing this from him, you know I'm a fighter as well So I have recognized what's going on what's happening the energy that I'm feeling I see it and then he says that I'm like Oh, okay He's competitor. He's trying to compete trying to get one more word in the maybe messed with your head and get you to To not be locked in like that, but their friends has come out and You know I knew Francis I was at it there.

Left, though, with a left. Yeah, I mean, friends has insane power. And it wasn't even full content. It didn't make a full, no. If friends has hit any, I think friends punches are right on the side of the head. That's what I was talking about. That's what I was talking about.

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I mean, I made a career not really being in it. Exactly. Good. Good. Much until I took the cake that ended my title reign. But I was in a fight, not really. I've never been taking a full on. Like, Strem, who would you say is like that was a toss

that's been hit? Who? Oh, really? Oh, who would you say is like that was a toss? I mean, who? Oh, really? I was, there's a, Francis has, I've actually spar with friends, it's a little bit. And he wasn't going full out, but still, I felt what that was like to run in, because I did take a punch in the head and I ran into that. I was like, yeah, that's not good.

What's the weight side that comes to you guys? Well, I'm about 190 pounds and Francis, this is all 27. She is. So rock and you saw his build right there. And I took a jab and I was just like, you took a jab. Yeah, I took a jab and cracked my neck.

Oh, so I felt it just, and I took it to the forehead too, which is not a place you relatively want to punch. Another guy, because you can break your hand. And I felt that just and I took it to the forehead too, which is not a place you relatively want to punch another guy because you could break your hand and I took that jab and I was just like next crack I don't I didn't like that That and Look at the right Anthony Johnson Anthony Johnson the late My buddy the late Anthony John grumble. Anthony was probably one of the hardest hidden guys. It was just something about the way these guys stand the way they deliver a punch.

You know, they Anthony was at one point. He's got a high life. Island. Yeah. He was ranked one of the most violent. Yeah, he had who was a knockout because he had one that was. Yeah, he had many. He had a Glover to share a knock this tooth out in there. He had Alexander Gustafs in knocked him out in Sweden. He had a who else. He was just not knocking ton of guys out. By the way, he's had some.

If we asked Mosvedal who hits the hardest, do you think he'd say you, that was a brutal knockout? No, no. Mosvedal's had a lot of fights. And that's the thing when he's a veteran, he's had a ton of fights. He used to, I'm from my am, he used to fight Miami. Yeah, he has to win. What was, what was, what was, uh, bare knuckle, you know, but it was, uh, Oh, Kimbo sliced those fights. Yeah. That was him out and highly out there, wild. So you don't think that you're knockout, which was savage by the way, you don't think

that would qualify as a hard guy. I don't know. He might not remember what felt like, like that's the thing with, as a, and you said that would Leon, you said I didn't know for 20 minutes, you were at the, no, see, I'm, yeah, that's such a weird, weird, the human body is just so crazy and it's insane.

So I think I was down for, I mean, I was down for maybe like, 30 seconds, because I wasn't really like out cold, I was out, but my eyes were open and I was there, which is even crazier. So I get up after like 45 seconds a minute, I'm standing up and talking to my coaches. And you know, they're talking to me and I'm there. You see the interaction I'm there, I'm talking to them.

But your brain's not on yet. I mean, it's almost like boom, you're rebooting a computer, shut down, you haven't it's it's it's almost like boom, you reboot in a computer shut down. You haven't turned on your computer is on. You see the Apple sign or whatnot, but it's not necessarily firing, you know, the way it needs to go. Not sending email. Not sending email at that point. You know, you're still waiting for it to reboot. So that whole process is autopilot. I'm in there. I'm talking to my coaches. That's autopilot. I shake his hand. I give him his props. I walk out. I mean the back in the doctors 10 saw autopilot. I'm there. My family's there. I'm like, tell them good. I'm yeah, everything's fine. Good. Boom. They're like, all right. Yeah, you look fine, but just for precaution. It's just going to ambulance. Just going to the hospital and get a scan just for precaution. Fine, I don't know why, you know,

but we're in there. All this is probably a 15 and 20 minute transition. I'm sitting in the ambulance and I get driving my jacket and they take off. So we're in the ambulance and so they're doing their routines. I'm just sitting in there with me and my manager and they're doing the routine and they're asking, okay, so do you know,

you know where you're at? And it's like that moment, I remember actual thought, not what I've seen or what I've been told or what I've, because when you see it, you start to put yourself there. But remember actual thought, like, do you know where you're at? I'm like, yeah, of course I know where I'm at. Yeah, I'm in Salt Lake City, US-2008. Like, okay, do you remember? I'm like, oh, shit.

Oh, no. Were you in Salt Lake City? Oh, damn, I'm in an ambulance. Oh, my God.'m in an ambulance. Oh my God. That can't be good. So that's when it comes to you. And I think I've even heard, I haven't seen it, but even Michael Bisping, after his knockout versus Dan Henderson,

when Dan Henderson knocked him out, who choose a vicious knockout, by the way, he was in the showers, got ready, and then he say knock him out, he would choose a vicious knockout, by the way. He was in the showers, got ready, and then he's asking, yo, when are we fighting? When's the fight? Oh wow. So he didn't even know he had finished fighting and all of that.

That's the point. This is why you gotta respect these guys. You know what they do. It's, oh, because I can't tell you a quick, busy, big story, and this is actually a question for you. So I'm at a hotel in New York High end hotel and I'm there with a girl at the time the room next door is Michael bizzying Right and he's there with his buddy and they're like locked out of their room long story short We end up we end up like getting some bottles. I knew some other people out there

I'm party with Michael bizzying and his buddy was just it was hilarious So anyway, he likes the party. Yeah, cool guy. Cool guy, fun guy. Lifestyle, right? We just talked about boxing. That's the work side of things, right? So, everyone's obsessed these days with work, life, balance.

I'm warm, the 80-20 camp. I work 80% of the time, 20% of the time, weekend warrior. You were at the Soho House party. We did a week or so ago. It was sick. It was awesome. I saw you on the roof. I saw you at the tent. You know, you were at the Soho House party, we did a week or so ago with Sick, it was awesome. Saw you on the roof, I saw you at the tent, you're having fun, people, you know, everyone's living a, I have a good time.

How do you manage your work, life balance? When do you party, when do you train, when do you live your life? How do you handle all that? I mean, it's a tough, it's a very tough thing to do. You know, especially when you're, or you're an athlete, I guess a public figure. Now it's difficult.

Like I said, I was never into the whole famous thing, being singing and all of that. So I don't spend that much time in Miami. I've been living down in South Florida now since 2012. And I've probably been in Miami less than 50 times. But you're in Boka? I think you've been a high jing. I'm in Palm Beach area. Okay, gotcha.

Alright. But it's um, yeah, I just, it might be. But not even my Amy Partying, but just going to, yeah, having dinner on a bar, having on a good lifestyle. So that's what you, you know, you always want that. That's what I was like, man, I wanna get to practice, eat, wherever and do whatever. And I like that.

I love to be able to take my kids and my lady and my friends to hang out, but it's different now because everywhere you go now, there's a phone in your face. Someone has a phone in your face. So what people don't realize is, especially when you deal with like, people like, obviously Kanye is an extreme, you know, extreme measure, but that takes away from the enjoyment of it all. Like you can go, you can go somewhere. Like you said, with, with bismi and you guys are just partying, you just having a great

time. That's great. You know, it's an intimate moment, you guys just telling the hangin' out. That's fun. But as soon as someone pulls the camera out into your hands, it just destroys the fun because it's like, why do we need to document this? This is documented up here. We're actually livin' it. We're having a great time.

So people aren't necessarily livin' to live anymore. They're livin' for what I can show other people. And that takes away from it. And it makes me just want to stay in my house. I was always been a homebody anyways, but you know, I don't enjoy it as much because as soon as I'm sitting there eating, and you know, I'm having a great time. And then now you look over and someone's recording you. Now, I don't just take the good with the bad? Like, I'll give you a scenario.

You know what's even worse? You're sitting there at a dinner and zero people want to come up to you. Nobody recognizes you. No one wants to take a picture of that. I love that. But that means that you didn't really reach your star status.

So, you know, it kinda comes with the territory, doesn't it? No, for sure, it comes with the territory. But at the end of the day, like we mentioned earlier in the show, we're all human beings. We still want to be left alone, because I'm a human being, and yes, I could be the biggest star in the world, but I'm still a human being, which, you know, my dog might have passed yesterday, my grandma might have passed, my aunt might have passed. So I'm actually dealing with human emotions here and I'm feeling all those things.

And I don't necessarily want to be on camera right now. But you don't care because all you care about is the interaction that you dreamt up in your head that you would have if you actually ever got to see me. So I think that the hard part is learning the balance that I think I've been doing a pretty decent job of understanding that. Yeah.

People have this expectation of you when they meet you of who you are, how you are. So being able to at least give them a little bit of that, but still being the human that you are. I will say this from having talked to a lot of the guys in your world. You seem very self-aware. And you think with your answer. You don't give the diplomatic answer. You'll give the straight-up answer.

But you're also respectful about it. So I don't know if you have any desire to get into politics one day, but in a way that you communicate, it's very interesting, the way you communicate. It's different. And respect you. By the way, this brings me to the last thing. So this one video was going viral during this last UFC fight.

Can you pull it up to one way to go? Okay, you play this clip. I want to get, because you've had some moments with the president, Trump, and Trump and UFC kind of go hand in hand. So this guy's going around asking different fighters. Who they think would have won the fight between Trump and Biden. And this is what the response is. Go ahead.

You get the audio, because I can't hear it. Rob. Do you hear it or no? I don't hear it. It's up on our end. I don't know why it's the production team. Guys in the back here. Gaint, do you guys in a back? Maybe test audio off and come back on and see maybe if that does that sometimes this happens

Trump will Joe Biden. Oh my gosh. Donald Trump would knock out Joe Biden within literally five seconds. Oh, Donald Trump would absolutely kill Joe Biden. Joe Biden got even got down the stairs. Ladi fall, down the money's working. Burt your Trump. 100% down Trump. I think down Trump off the top of the cage is just pow-dry. He literally downed Trump would knock him out with his lunch box for hands. If you've ever seen his hands, that guy is freaking massive. And he used the rest of us. So he's a real fighter.

Yeah, probably got a Trump. Joe's the old man. 100% downed Trump. Joe Biden is too old to tell him sorry. Trump put punches face him. You see Joe Biden can't even write a bicycle He's falling off his bicycle. I mean they guy can't even walk up a fly. It's there. Wait. We're gonna make it into the octagon Maybe he go to the wrong direction. I don't know Joe Biden within seconds that old man in your profession. What do you think you've Trump and Biden guy?

We got you gonna give us a diplomatic answer what are you going to give us if those guys fought? Well, fight with both guys would be very expensive. And so, so Trump understands this, you know, they don't that that those that's not a fistic of type of fight. That's a wallet fight at that point. So I don't think we'll be seeing both of those guys through our hands, but I think, I think just Trump is just still a little bit more active. I think so. He's a little bit more active. He's really witty with a guy sharper than most people think because when you put the camera in his face, it comes off a certain way, but sharper, much sharper than most people. What's your interaction been with him? Play one of the clips. I don't know which one it is that you got. You found one of them.

Is this the one? No, play, yeah, play the other one. Play the other one. What's that? This one right here. Kamarou Usman, where is that? He says your news on chance. Come on, champ, get up.

Man, oh man, oh man. What a fighter you are. I don't want to mess with him. What's your relationship with him? You know, I've met the guy. You know, it's, like I said, when that camera's on, it's in the media paints whatever picture they want a paint of the guy.

Obviously, I'm not deep into politics. I just know how it affects me and my pockets and my family with the policies and the laws that are being made. And so it's difficult when the media is saying a certain thing and they're painting this picture and that's all you have to go on. And so a lot of people just kind of follow what's being told.

But now being in the position to where I'm high enough to where I'm directly affected by those policies and some of those things that are being made, you know, now you start to kind of think a little bit more for yourself. Like, wait, you know, this is what the media said yesterday, but this is what's really happening. And so, it kind of, you know, light bulb goes off, and now you start to kind of really dive in a little bit more. But my interaction with him is he's always been cool with me and Let me touch on this it was when he was president There's of course, he you know, like I don't want to say he's not the best communicator when he's on in front of that screen He's not the best the message doesn't come across the best way possible and so this picture is painted who this guy is And so you feel a certain way, you know

It hits your heartstrings a lot different and especially the time where the world is going through so much chaos and so many different things And so then getting actually Being in front of the guy and actually, you know here the guy and I'm I'm one of those that I hold a man by his word So if you say certain things to me then that's that's what I expect. And it was a lot different than definitely what I expect because at some point, based on what the media's painted, you expect to give me peace in my mind.

Like this is how I feel. Interesting. And then it doesn't go quite like that. So then you start to kind of, I think that's a skill as well as being a man as you start to kind of be able to assess and reevaluate what you might have thought and be open to knowing that, you know what, I can change what I was thinking and my views on someone. But you know, definitely was a lot different than what I was expecting.

I was expecting to be a lot slower than he actually was, but he was very witty. It's smart. He reminded me a lot of my high school wrestling coach. They remind you of your high school wrestling. Oh yeah, they're very, they're very witty with words, very sharp about the environment, what's going on, they know. And so that's what what really shocked me. Were you more of an Obama guy before Trump? Of course. Of course, I'm not gonna lie. 100% just based on the representation, based on what he meant was big. So by that alone default, I was an Obama guy.

But then you, like I said, when you get to a certain level, you ascend to a certain level, then you realize how direct things affect you. And it's like, well, I worked for this. Why? Why? Why can't everybody else work? You were an Obama guy. Obviously, Biden was his VP. Is that by default? Are you a Biden guy now or how does that work? Well, they say never discuss politics, right? Well, because it's in the night, well, come on, I mean, you can't deny it. But I think Usman, you answered it.

I think you answered it. I think if the viewers listening, you gave the answer, I think you went through a little bit of Usman. I think you and Usman have. I mean, look, me and Usman were the same guy. Yeah, you're the same. But it's interesting, Pat, because it I mean, look, me and Usman were the same guy. Yeah. You're the same guy. But it's interesting, Pat, because it is.

Yeah, the Jewish nightmare. It is. It's undeniable of this past three and a half with three years. Like it's undeniable. And I think it's amazing that you're saying it, come on, that it's even if you're not really into the politics or anything, you feel it, you see it.

It's embedded. All the changes that are happening, we are not in good shape. It's not getting better. And I mean, anyway, not doing politics. No, I'm not going to go, bro, I want to go, dude. Can I tell you something? I think America relates more to him.

And what I mean by that is like when I first got into sales, you know, we've always voted Democrat. It's always been what we were. Our men in a Syrian were from Iran, it's like, you know, the rich, our Republicans are for the rich, the Democrats are for the poor. And then you go into sales, you work, you're like, wait a minute, how can that get,

you're leaving home early and I need to pay for your stuff? Why, why don't you stick around late and train for this? I don't feel sorry for you. Why, why, why am I getting punished for me working twice a month of hours as you, then you realize, dude, no, man. The same way in the gym, that guy's getting this and he's get a better locker than me and I'm here twice as many times.

Small little experiences like this, you start realizing that those policies just don't work. And sometimes that takes a decade or two for some to figure that out. Usman, this has been a blast. Thank you. Have a good one, brother. Usman, this has been a blast. Thank you. Have a good one, brother. It's been a pleasure.

Really enjoy getting to know you even more. You're very interesting. You're very interesting. Very self-aware. Like I said earlier, your answers. You'll give the answer, but you're going to give the answer based on the way you view it, and it's smooth. Your answer.

But I really, really enjoyed this and I'm looking forward to doing it again in the future, brother. Thank you so much for coming on. Gang, take care. I think we got a podcast for tomorrow and we got one on Thursday. It's actually Kobe coming here.

Is it? It's Thursday, Kobe coming up. We got 10 on Thursday and tomorrow home team with Emily Austin. Okay, so that'll be tomorrow. I think it's interesting. That should be interesting. Yes, take care everybody.

Bye, bye, bye. That should be interesting. That should be interesting, yes. Take care everybody. Bye-bye-bye.