PBD Podcast - Andrew Tate's Lawyer Reveals The UNTOLD Truth About Arrest | Episode 240

Episode Date: February 25, 2023

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David and Tina Glandian will discuss: The Untold truth about Tate’s arrest If Andrew Tate’s 2 Female Associates Snitch & Make A Deal With the Romanian Government How They Have Handled 60 Days Behind Bars The Lawyers’ final message to Andrew’s haters FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on https://minnect.com/ Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/ Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I know this life meant for me. Yeah, why would you plan on the life when we got that day? Value payment, giving values, contagiousness, world, entrepreneur, as we can't no value the hate and how to run home. You look what I've become. what I become. I'm the one. Okay, our guest today, Tina Glandian from, she's a partner at law firm,

Garegus and Garegus have to think about asparagus, Garegus and Garegus, and she's been a former lawyer to celebrities such as Mike Tyson, Chris Brown, Michael Jackson, Keisha as well as Jesse Smollett, and now Andrew Tay Tina, thank you so much for making the time. Hi Patrick, thanks for having me.

Yeah, so you know, we've been following the story very closely. Some of the audience that's here, let's assume they don't know and they haven't seen the other interviews you've done with other folks. We have followed it closely, but just to start off with an open-ended question, how are they doing right now? How are Andrew and Tristan doing right now?

So I spoke to Andrew yesterday, and there obviously be on frustrated at the situation. However, one of the things that I think wasn't as widely covered as the fact that their detention was ordered continued for another 30 days, is the fact that the two women that they were detained with and who've been in custody since the end of December alongside them, they were released under house arrest. So they are now home. And that was obviously, in our opinion, a big step in the right direction. And when I spoke to Andrew and I was trying to see how they're feeling after that result because you know, two of the four got sent

home under house arrest. His reaction was that if he had a choice and if he could decide which two of the four would get to go home, he would have had the women go home because he said obviously jail is a really rough place. And he thought it was better that he and his brother suffer. If anybody has to rather than the women, kudos to him for doing that. Now, here's a question for you. Are you representing all four or just the brothers?

Just the brothers. OK, so now are you and their legal team working closely together? Is it a team or is it separately? No, definitely. I'm working alongside the Romanian legal defense team because again, I'm not a Romanian attorney. I can't appear before the court there. I attended the previous hearing and I was able to observe and be in the courtroom, you know, at the table with my Romanian council, but I can't actually address the judges in Romania. So I'm working very closely with them,

we're in constant communication and we are handling the defense together. Got it. So the two girls, I believe Georgina and Luana, if I'm saying it correctly, right, Georgina and Luana. Georgina's known stage for quite some time. Luana was a former police officer and they were friends and associates working together.

My question is, are there lawyers and you working together? Are you guys on the same team? We're not necessarily working together. However, everybody pretty much has a consistent defense, which is nobody committed any crimes in this case. Got it. So to that extent, everyone has a common goal and interest in this case. However, we're not necessarily working together.

Okay, and the only reason I asked is, and so please push back anything I ask and skepticism whatever I say, I'm just thinking like a, I've interviewed a lot of people that are in different lives that have lived. I've interviewed the Sanby to the world, a lot of former mobsters, and the model the government will sometimes use when they have multiple folks that they're working on, they'll try to go to the weak ones to get information out of them and try to get a deal

and say, hey, if you tell us this, it's gonna be this, you wanna be in jail for them, they'll put the fear attack, you know the tactics they use. This is your world so How confident are you that for the folks that are worried if They will keep the four fully fully united on the same page Versus the government's gonna try to get the girls to break and say something So some may look at this as a hey, they're now being released to go home

This could be seen as did they do a deal with the government or it's Andrew and Tristan saying, no, if anyone's going to go home, they're going to go home. So two different things. First of all, I think absolutely it's a common, both a police and prosecution strategy to try to divide and conquer. I think how we refer to it here is they always try to get the weakest link to roll on, you know, the bigger target. So absolutely, I would not be surprised if that's something that the prosecution intends or tries to do. However, we feel confident that there's nothing for these girls, you know, short of if they were to decide to come forward

and lie beyond that, we're not afraid of anything they would say, and we're not afraid of them, of the police or prosecution exerting pressure because we think, again, the truth is going to set everybody free, including the tape brothers. Yeah, that's my biggest concern. My biggest concern is them trying to gamify it, and they try, no, listen,

art of war, sunsoo, divide and conquer, put them against each other, put the fear tactic, and then eventually get them to open up and then give them protection for a couple of years and then you get the information, can you release other people that we can get? So that's why I ask, are you guys working collectively together or not?

Okay, so that was helpful. If you have a response. But, sure, if I could just interrupt for one second, I would say there's also, in this case, voluminous what we call documentary evidence, meaning text messages, written correspondence, and we think that speaks for itself. And when, again, unfortunately, I can't get into the details with you now, the way I wish I could go through specific evidence and show why,

you know, this case immediately falls apart. But we think even in the worst case scenario, if somehow the prosecution got to the girls and got them to change their story and not be truthful, in exchange for some sort of deal to get them out of this, we think that the documentary evidence will undercut any potential argument that the tape brothers are guilty of any of the charges that they're being investigated for. When you speak to Tate, and I don't know if you're gonna answer this or not, is that a concern that the two girls may do something? Because if I'm an attorney, I'm gonna ask the question,

you can say no to all the answers, but I'm just gonna do my job as a person asking questions. If I'm the attorney, I wanna know everything about those two girls, what they have on you, what would they say, how would they come back, Where would be their weak spot? Is there anything that you're worried about and then we're not worried about it? We are worried about it. Is that a potential concern at all or no, that is the last thing we're concerned about?

Right now, that is the last thing we're concerned about. We believe everybody is just trying to get the truth out and all four of them are, again, they have the same common interest in doing that when it's going to set all of them free. My fear is government. I don't trust what they do to pin people against each other, so we'll see what they're going to be doing. So, okay, the next question for me would be with the following.

You have a track record. You're very successful. The audience doesn't know this. You and I went to high school together, and we've never met. But you know, just figure that out minutes before the interview. Literally just figure that out. Before the interview, yes, which was interesting. That's when I looked at your last name, I said,

that's an Armenian lesson and they say, no, you don't say Nalbandjan, it's Nalbandjan. I'm like, okay, let me find that for myself and then we figure that out. But you know, the cases you've worked out, these are not small cases cases these are heavyweight cases you know whether it's Michael Jackson whether it's justine that was very controversial whether it's you know

the other ones brown or kisha all of these things we can go through how different of a jurisdiction i am not a lawyer how different is it dealing with the laws that we go by in the states let alone dealing with somebody that you're representing who's in Romania. Do you have to? Are you are you working with their laws? Do they kind of push you around? Do you hold them accountable to you because there is the US citizenship? How do those dynamics work? Sure, so I think typically in high-profile cases already there are so many additional factors that go into representing a client that isn't there in a standard case when the attorneys actually just get to focus on their defense, on the legal strategy, and it's very clear cut. And typically in those cases, the defendants also really are presumed innocent.

So those cases are much easier to handle. The high profile cases to begin with once information is, and it's almost exclusively leaked by the prosecution or the police, the information comes out. It's always out of context. The defense can't really respond to it as far as to address the details, but because there's an ongoing investigation, you're not supposed to be talking about those facts, so you're really at a disadvantage. And the public starts getting a false picture of what the case is about, what the evidence is.

And so, you know, already in a high profile case, you're dealing with the court of public opinion, everything that's coming out, combating the misinformation that's circulating. And so those are challenges. Now you add to that, all of this happening in a foreign jurisdiction. And yes, it makes it much more complicated. There's difficulties. Like for now, I have not actually been able to

visit the tape brothers in jail. While I was in Bucharest, I went numerous times to the jail with my Romanian colleagues. We took all the paperwork and I was told that it's ultimately the prosecutor's decision and the prosecutor until now still hasn't approved the request. I mean, we're still trying and hopefully I will get to see them. Of course, my preference would be to see them out of custody,

but depending on the timing, however, you know, it's difficult to, you're in a different time zone. All of the documents are in the Romanian language, so we have to have everything translated or I'm relying on my Romanian council to interpret things for me. Their system is different, so it's, you know, and the politics of it are different. So it's certainly very challenging. Is that a protocol that the prosecutor can use according to the Romanian laws to not allow you

to meet with your client? I mean, is that a common thing? They do there or do you have a leverage to say, no, I have to see my client, this is how the laws work. So unfortunately, I don't think it's very common for US attorneys or I should say even attorneys who are not Romanian to be trying to visit Romanian clients in jail. So it's not a common occurrence to begin with.

And according to my Romanian council, they say, this is how it works. It's standard. Now, if this was not the tape brothers, would this have been approved by now? I'm not sure. Do does the role of, well, I'll come back to that. So I guess my other question would be when you were working with Jussie and he was being accused, the things that he was going through with what happened to him, I believe he was not in jail when he was going through it.

I know the detention, and I may be wrong. The detention here, this is the third round of 30 days, and they can go up to 180 days, but we still don't know fully what is going on. The key word that's being used is allegedly, allegedly, allegedly of human trafficking, allegedly of this. Once again, is this a common thing that Romania does as a government to say, whether we have you or not, you gotta be in here.

Most of the times people don't know they live around the world, American laws are different than Romanian laws are different than German or UK. So it's to understand how these things work. So the whole 180 days that they have would keep extending it at this pace. What are some of the criteria that you can use to get them to be at least at home while

they're going through this? So yes, this is very unusual for us because this is not how our system works here in the US. Typically, and it varies a little bit by jurisdiction, but typically they have 48 hours to hold you before they either have to charge you or release you. Romania has a different procedure and they refer to it as preventative arrest, where they initially held the tape brothers for 24 hours and then they applied for a 30 day extension and as you correctly said, they

can extend that up to 180 days. So this period is actually still an ongoing criminal investigation. So they have not actually had an indictment returned against them. They have not been formally charged. And again, this is really contrary to our notions of justice, which is that pre-trial deprivation is really to be a measure of loss resort. Unless there's substantial factors

warranting keeping somebody in custody that they should be out. And when you said allegedly, allegedly is a word that you use even, you know, after the charges are filed. Here, we're not even there yet. We're still in an open criminal investigation. And so if that answers your question, I think the process is very different in Romania than we're used to here in the US. And I think a lot of other places. How are you as the attorney adapting to that? I mean, are you, I bet this is a tough job you have. I mean, you went to school here, you went to great school, you've done phenomenal for yourself.

So to learning how to work with the laws here, to represent your client, and then to go over there, are you like on a overdrive of learning all the laws and you're reading this and that to see what the adjustments are, are you looking at all the cases? Is that kind of what you're going through as an individual? Definitely. I'm doing a lot of research on how the Romanian process works and reading some of their cases and some decisions

even by the European courts as to how they've applied Romanian law and whether they've sanctioned this type of conduct. I'm, of course, talking to my Romanian colleagues who are the best source of information as to what is common there. So there's a lot to take in, but obviously, when you ask how I'm dealing with it, for me, it's much easier to deal with as the attorney on the outside. It's much harder to see my clients who are in jail, and it makes my job a lot harder when I can't easily communicate with them. So that's the biggest, I think, factor here is the fact that I wasn't, I would have stayed in Bucharest had I been granted access to a visit with them frequently. But

that's been the biggest challenge for me so far. If that happened in America, you could make calls to get Congress or somebody a senator or congressman or congresswoman to make the call and say what is this all about you can be doing this right so who can you call because the part that makes it complicated with this if you have a political figure let's just see a political figure and if they're a democrat the president's democrat well you make the phone call hey listen this is a you know if you have a republican trumps and hey Roger stone hey you got this can we what's Democrat, well, you make the phone call. Hey, listen, this is a, you know, if you have a Republican Trumps and, hey, Roger Stone, hey, you got this, can you, what is going on over you can you guys make the call? This doesn't make any

sense. Who can you call to say this is not a fair thing they're doing? I mean, who I did call when I was in Bucharest was the US embassy to see if I could get assistance with this, but they, they pretty much just deferred me to my Romanian council and said, I have to work with them and follow the, the procedure that they recommend. So ultimately, they weren't really much help in me trying to achieve that. How much of that do you think is because him being a controversial figure and he's called that pretty much everybody under the sun, you know, they tell you there's three things you should never talk about to them are politics and religion and as a my mother would always say a

Patrick, why are you talking politics? I've told you for years never talk politics. Just talk business Why are you the fear right? He's called that everybody. So how much of that has to be with him calling out the people and power? They're like if there there's anybody who were not helping, we are definitely not helping Tate. You know, I would be guessing, but I certainly would think in a case that didn't involve maybe Andrew Tate, that the US Embassy would have been more helpful when it involved a US citizen.

Yeah, I would probably give the answer as well if I was in your situation, but for me and many other people that are listening, they would be thinking maybe there's some of that going on as well. Let me transition. I got the WhatsApp messages I want to get to a part of that as well with the messages that came out. But the other question I would have for you is with them saying, hey, now that these messages

have come out, we are thinking, I'm gonna be soon for $300 million, I'm sure you saw that tweet that came out. I saw your answer on this, but some of the audience may not know about it. Are they actively, personally, do they have access to the internet? Are they tweeting or is all the tweets

that are coming out or the messages or the email that's coming out? It's somebody else emailing tweeting on behalf of Tates. It's not, yes, they don't have access to Twitter or social media. So they're in a jail cell with a very limited access to just phone calls that are all recorded, they don't have access to social media.

So yes, they're not posting anything themselves. Got it. You said phone calls that are all recorded. So whoever they have a call with, it's all recorded. Yes. And so even if you want to talk to your client, they'll record in all the calls you're having with your client. Yes.

So as I said, it's very challenging to not be able to visit the client in person and to be, you know, having limited communications, which of course, you know, are recorded phone calls. How do you strategize? How do you, how do you, how do you say, hey, you know, because you need intel. So who do you get intel from to be able to defend? There's only so much you're going to get if you can't have a, and you can't ask the question if you know it's

going to be recorded. Because who do you trust? If you know the calls are being recorded, you almost can't trust having any conversations with them. Because you know it's all going to leak to somebody. How do you manage that? We're aware of the fact that the calls are recorded as are the clients, of course. And at this point, the strategy really is just for us to try to get to the truth. And how do we find the truth? So it's obviously limiting, but we keep the conversations short and discuss what we need to, but it poses certainly a big challenge.

Tina, is that also the case in America? So if you want to talk to a client of yours and you're going to go and have a conversation with them, is it 100% recorded? You have to assume that everybody else can hear the conversation or are you able to have 101 combo with your client without anybody hearing it? So typically, jail calls are always recorded. Now when it's an attorney

call and you announce that at the beginning of the call and you say this is Tina Glandian, this is an attorney client phone conversation, they're either supposed to stop the recording or later if it was automatically recorded, they are not to listen to anything that's attorney clients. So even if that gets bypassed in some cases, they can't use it because they're not allowed to record the attorney client's communications. But it's not unusual because calls are also recorded here. However, when you get to visit in person in an attorney client context, you should be in a setting that's not recorded. Do you trust it in America? Is it even is it even a thought like do you guys as a group sit there and say listen ask the question but make sure it's not all the questions just be

aware that somebody could be listening to it or is it a code where it's like no talk freely as long as you say it's a lawyer you don't have anything to worry about. No we're we're always a little bit cautious because again rules are broken and just because someone's not supposed to do something doesn't mean it won't happen so we are are cautious in all cases. Sure. So you know during COVID, I've run an insurance company. I've been the financial industry for 20 years. So you're dealing with lawyers all the time. I've spent a lot of money on lawyers. So we've kept a lot of law firms in business because you have to deal with it. But during COVID, when we were dealing with lawyers or courts, everything was super slow.

And I'm talking, hey, things that would get done in 30, 60, 90 days, nine, you know, nine months to 12 months to get anything. They're not coming in. They're not doing this. They're not doing that. And it was very annoying because you couldn't get things to be resolved quickly. Are you dealing with any other factors that

is delaying you being able to get to the bottom of what's going on? There was just purely the government saying hey, this is how slow we're working. We can take our time if we want to and there's nothing you can do about it. With their procedure with their preventative arrest procedure that they have in place they certainly, you know, have the protection that they could extend this to 180 days, and there really isn't much we can do if they continue to try to take the position that they shouldn't be released because they might be a flight risk or they're a potential danger and things of that nature.

So I do find normally that in high profile cases, because there are so many eyes on a case, typically those tend to move a bit faster than maybe a normal case would that gets put on the back burner and nobody's in a rush to prosecute that. So typically, they do move a little faster. Now in this case, this has been an extremely slow investigation. So I know they've been in custody since the end of December, but what a lot of people might not recognize is this investigation actually started in April of 2022.

And there was allegations made at the time, you know, police did a raid, they investigated, and there was nothing to those allegations. So, but they did open up, you know, a bigger investigation. And another fact, because you did bring up the $300 million, you made some reference to a potential lawsuit about that. So just to make this clear, what happened is after this investigation happened in April and it was shown that the allegations were false and the police made no arrests at the time, the tape brothers actually filed criminal complaints in Romania against the two women

who made these accusations. And again, that's not a fact that's been widely reported, but that is an open criminal investigation against the women. And that started almost eight months before that tape brothers were ever arrested or investigated really for any of the criminal accusations that they're currently being investigated for. So the lawsuit that you referenced

and the season-discuss letter, that is part of that original criminal complaint that was initiated in April by the brothers when they were not charged or being investigated for anything further and when they were the victims of false allegations and they were pursuing their legal rights. And that was in April. So from April till February now, but they put them in jail, the timing of that to me, there's a lot of theories out there,

and I'll just pose the question, you're a pro, you're gonna give whatever response you're gonna give. Sometimes, certain events happen, it could be ironic, it could be like coincidental, or it could be like, ah, you know what I was saying a little bit this, you kind of crossed the line, well who you went after with the Greta Thunberg

and all this other stuff, and here's what you did in a moment and all of a sudden two days, could they have done what they did to the tape brothers, what they did two days after Greta, could they have done the same exact thing and started detention in April, in May, in June? You know what I'm saying? Like could they have just automatically said, hey, why not wait till this time? It just so happens

they did it two days after that. So there's some theories where maybe he crossed the line a little bit, you're pushing a little bit too much of the envelope, and this is the time to take this guy down a silencing. So I guess to break it down a little bit, what they were initially the allegations that were made in April were that these women were being held against their will by the tape brothers and that was investigated and that there was absolutely no truth to that so they were. They were not you know their status when the investigation started of the tape brothers were as witnesses and so Romania has different categories that they put people in. of the tape brothers were as witnesses. And so Romania has different categories that they put people in. You could either be a witness, a suspect, or a defendant.

So they started in April, they were witnesses to this allegation. The police investigated, there was nothing there. And that's what the criminal complaints that they filed in April were about those particular instances. Now, since that time, I think, you know, police began to surveil the brothers and were, I think, trying to find something to further investigate. And again, I don't want to speculate as to the reasons why they were trying to, you know, find further, you know, allegations to investigate. But the timing of it, yes,

it's obviously, it was many, many months later, what may have triggered that particular date. It's hard to say. So in other words, they could have done that earlier, right? So they could have, because if it's all allegedly human traffic and rape they could have done it in August They could have done it in July they could done it in June They just so happened to choose to do it two days after that And I know that whole one thing where people were like well If you're gonna order pizza, why would you put the pizza? That was already debunked And that's not even a part of the conversation if they wanted to get him

They're gonna get him. It's not like they're going places. They're not going avoiding places This is specific about the fact that could the government have come in and taken them to jail and put them in detention in any other month except the time that they did it out. Yes, because again, this is preventative arrest. It's not like they had enough evidence to charge them with crimes. This was a preventative arrest because they were investigating. They certainly could have done this weeks earlier if that's what they chose to do. So what that does is that gives a lot of credence to the audience that is saying this guy's being set up

because of who he called out and the establishment to that audience that goes, I told you so, I knew this, I know, well, you're giving him credit if you're doing it this way. So I almost think that works against them and it works in your favor. Why are you waiting this long until you're doing XYZ? Okay, so let's go to the next one and then I got a couple of other things here as well. So if there's anybody that has lived a life where they've lived a very interesting life, I don't think anybody can dispute that.

However many cars you got, all the women, the travel, the lifestyle, the yachts, the this, the that, the fighting. It's like the profile of a guy where a 16 year old boy is gonna look up and say, man, look at this guy, he's a tough guy, he knows how to fight against the girls, he's this, he's that, I'm gonna be like this guy. I think the momentate started wearing glasses, I'd never seen a spike in more YouTubers wearing

glasses when they're doing interviews in the middle of the day. And that never happened until this guy was wearing glasses, right? He made them look good. But mentally and emotionally tough, the life they've lived, the father they've had, the experiences they've had, it's almost like that's preparing you that if you do go through some like this, they can't break you. They're going to try to break you. How are they holding up, purely mentally and emotionally, themselves?

I'm sure knowing him how competitive he is and how annoyed he is and how much he likes to be in control, like a lot of business deals. We understand that DNA and the fabric of wanting to be in control, like a lot of business deals. We understand that DNA and the fabric have wanted to be in control. And now you're not. So there's a part that's driving them insane. But also, you see him when he's walking around, he's always got the Quran in his hand.

So I'm assuming he's praying a lot. So he's trying to work on this. How do you, when you talk to him, how are you feeling their energy? They're, they're, they're at. You know, the, the energy is remarkably positive in light of where they're at and what they're going through. I think they just have tremendous resolve and strength. And that's both mental

and physical and emotional strength. So I think they're doing the best they can in this situation they're in to stay physically strong. I know they're, you know, continuing to exercise and workout and do what they can within the confines of being in jail. But to stay physically strong. I know they're continuing to exercise and work out and do what they can within the confines of being in jail, but to stay physically strong at the same time as you said, they are praying, meditating. They receive a lot of letters and fan mail, so they read those, it keeps them occupied.

So they are, the one, they don't complain about boredom. It's more about just this intense frustration of having all of this going on. You're, you know, proclaiming your innocence. You want to prove your innocence. And you are in a jail cell where you can't, you have no means to do so. So, you know, you're putting a lot of trust, obviously, in your team and your attorneys. But it's very frustrating to be in that situation. I think, again, under the circumstances, I think they are holding up quite well even though it's

very challenging. I bet. But again, I think if there's anybody that could do this to two of the guys together, you know, one time I think Tate said, you can take everything away from me as long as you don't take my brother, I'm gonna be okay, you know, to the way the father raised to get these two guys to be as close as they are, that's probably given him a lot of strength. But are they in the same cell, are they keeping them separate,

where they can interact with each other, or be around each other? I know that they do interact. I'm not actually quite certain about the cell situation, because I think that's changed, you know, over the detention period. Got it. So, you know, this other question here, if back in the days when they went after Capone

or I've spent a lot of time with Rudy Giuliani, you know who he is, how he cleaned the streets in New York the other day, we're at an Italian restaurant here in Florida. We're having lunch with a couple folks. Rudy is there. The owner of the restaurant comes in and says, oh my God, when I lived in New York, you clean up the streets. He automatically went to when I was in New York,

you clean up the streets and how he was able to work with changing the laws to figure out where to go get them and even back in the days, they didn't get coupon on anything but on taxes. So there's many ways if the government really wants to target somebody to ruin their lives, you got a lot of cards to use, right? You can do, well, let's use rape, allegation.

It's not hard to do. There's a lot of people that have been there that never committed a crime, but you kind of have to prove your argument. hey, let's do trafficking. Hey, let's do taxes. Hey, let's do this. Do you think this is going to be one of those things that if they really want to target these guys, they're going to keep using their cards until they get them, or is this truly their only focus on these two allegations that they're making? No, I think you raise a really good point. And I think that's exactly what's going on in this case. I think that's why this investigation and

Initially started in April they seized you know a lot of their belongings devices things like that and I think it's just been this a very lengthy search for any evidence of crime And I think as far as the actual charges that are being investigated I think those are going to be proven demonstrably false. I think everything we've seen shows that the prosecution, it's such a stretch. They're trying to pigeonhole human trafficking into a set of facts that just doesn't fit. And again, the rape allegation is entirely unsupported. I think the evidence, which again, unfortunately, at this point in the proceedings, I just can't comment on, but I think there's damning evidence showing that these are not charges that would ever be proven. So I think the fear is, and also one other fact is, you know, the other allegation is of an organized crime group, which includes the two women who were just released on House arrest, which I think again is a big, I guess it speaks a lot as to what the evidence is that during this investigation now they've released the women

on House arrest, the same women that are allegedly part of this organized criminal group. So I do not feel that they're ever going to be able to prove any of the charges that are allegedly part of this organized criminal group. So I do not feel that they're they're ever going to be able to prove any of the charges that are currently being investigated. I just think they're using these this preventative arrest to prolong their detention in hopes of actually being able to find evidence of crime which they don't currently have. Yeah, that's going to be the interesting part because if they do that you know it's targeting you know it's targeting Is there anybody that if? For example, you know I keep going political because Tate is political and that's where you can do all the other stuff

It's one thing but he calls out a lot of people that are not liking the callouts that he makes So if when Trump's running and they had their RNC who they wanted to be at the RNC, well, they know white spoke and he says, look, I don't, this is all I know about the guy. 20 years ago, when nobody gave us a place to go and do our first event for UFC, he said yes. I'm gonna back the sky up because Vegas said no,

this said no, and he said yes and he helped us stay in business, okay? So, that gets the audience of UFC to say, man, shoot, if Dana's defending Trump, maybe I ought to, right? Hey, Barack Obama, hey, I'm Oprah Winfrey. Listen, this is the guy we've been looking for. We've been looking, okay, boom, support. You know what, if Oprah says it,

you know, I got to kind of support this. Hey, the other day Oprah, hey, I, as much as I'm the one that found Dr. Oz, I'm not gonna go against Dr. Oz for Dr. Oz. I'm going to go for Federman. I think Federman is better people like wait a minute That's your guy, but you're going there's a lot of weight in whose support who and says what right? politically um, how much like is there any other? Because ever since you know,, he spoke about his Muslim religion and videos were posted about him going out there and praying, and, you know, how he feels about

the Westernized, you know, Christianity, the standards, all of that, is there support from a sect or a community that has reached out to say, Tina, how can we help? We would like to get involved to help. Is there anything like that taking place or is it silence? No one's saying anything. They're just kind of saying, well, let's see what happens here. We're going to keep our hands off of this.

There are many, many efforts by people who want to help. It hasn't really come from some sort of organized sect of anything like that. But we have so many individuals reaching out, offering support and help. And, you know, I think it's a little tricky in cases like this where it is political, as you said, and people are, like the Tates are very outspoken, particularly Andrew. I think sometimes there is, you know, reluctance from people to publicly show support and to come out when

when they still do support the individuals. So I experienced this in Jesse's case where he had a lot of support, a lot of people who had privately messaged him, I believe in you, I believe you, but those same people felt that in this climate, they couldn't come forward and publicly support him because of the tremendous backlash. Because again, there was this false narrative and based on the information that was put forward by the one-sided leaks and everything else, people believed a different set of facts than what the actual facts were and based on that, they didn't want to come out and support somebody who may have done what people were saying he did. So I think there's a lot of that in this case too, where there certainly is a lot of private support. Now who would be willing

to come forward publicly? I'm not sure because I think there is a lot of backlash. I bet. I bet there is. But maybe some need to see this and hear this to say, hey, we're going to come out and support. Maybe they need to hear this and hear this to say hey we're gonna come out and support maybe they need to hear this message and say hey let's make a phone call and offer what we can i don't know what happens when they're freezing freezing accounts cars taking stuff that you know uh... there's many ways i interviewed f.b.a.l.y. 9 years ago 10 years ago and they took his license away as well

and you know f.b.a.l.y. wrote one of the best books ever for lawyers you know which one I'm talking was like two thousand paid the most examination right the legendary book that everybody talks about which I haven't read because I'm not a lawyer but I know you know which book I'm talking about so we and they took his license that's one way where when you're a lawyer for too long and you represent a lot of people and then you keep doing it and you're loud sometimes the way they do it is a take this guy's license away, he can't make money and that's how they go broke.

It's a sad situation on what they do, but in this instance, if they're freezing accounts, if they're freezing everything, you know, maybe this is a way, and I don't know financial situation where that, are they able to make the payments to you? You're not a cheap lawyer, you're not somebody that's 400 bucks an hour.

That's a very expensive lawyer you are. So if somebody's hiring someone like you, are they able to meet their expenses that they're having to pay today? Is that something that they're able to do? Are they frozen right now with their funds? So they've seized a lot of assets. It's certainly not everything,

but they have seized a lot of assets. It's certainly not everything, but they have seized a great amount of assets, which is vastly disproportionate to any sort of money that the government would need as a result of this investigation. So it is concerning all the assets they've taken. And this really comes back to why they are in this prolonged detention. All of these things are being seized. That's putting a lot of pressure.

I don't know if it's in the hopes that at some point they crack and confess to something they didn't do, but that's not going to happen. I was watching an interview, dear, that they would musk where musk is like, he called out the SEC. I don't know if you've seen this clip or not. He says, you know, he says what he says to the SEC. And he says, they called me and they said, you have to do this or else this or else that or else this.

And he says, I agree. But let me tell you something, you know, he took a shot at SEC right afterwards in the interview and it's a public video going viral where it's like, hey, you need to come out and say, yes, you did this. Or you need to come out and say you did that. It'll be interesting to see, like you're saying, they're not gonna break.

These guys don't seem like the kind that they're gonna be break, but I wonder the government, people think they're so creative until you go into, you know, you think criminals are the most creative people. You know, people are a lot more creative in the government than they know, because they see all these cases. So they know how to maneuver with power that nobody else can. You can't go right and negative view about the government on Yelp.

Oh my God, we got to know you can't do that. That's only in the free markets that we experienced that. So the next thing I want to talk about is what's that message that came out? When you saw this, this was live. A lot of people reacted to it. A lot of people read them. A lot of people look, oh my God, this is it. It's over. It's going to be done.

You can be doing something like this. What was your reaction when you first saw these WhatsApp messages of these two girls going back and forth? We got them, do this, I can't believe they would play the victim, all these things, we've all read them. What was your reaction when you saw this that was to the public? Is this a benefit for tate that shows what they're doing? Or was it kind of like,

yeah, we're not even going to be using this. So unfortunately, I'm really limited to addressing, you know, potential evidence in the case. And so I cannot address that at this time. And I wish I could. But that's for a later discussion. For now, I have to be very careful about what I say as to matters that are still being investigated. Fair enough. If the people haven't seen it, Rob, let's put a link below where they can go read it for

themselves, the exchange. When you look at this, it definitely looks like, and I know you can't comment on this, I'm just telling the audience for them to, it definitely looks like they are framing, they are playing the game, they are talking to each other, play dumb, good advice, thank you, babe. You know, all these weird things, play the victim. I mean, we are like, act like we still love them and stuff.

Blah, blah, blah, all these things. Tomorrow we should wear makeup and sunglasses so nobody really notices, yeah, I guess, LOL. We should make a movie out of this. So when you see this, I've seen the both sides that are arguing on these tweets, on these exchanges, what people are saying that are saying, well, they're innocent.

And I see the side where people are saying, well, they're guilty. They can make up their mind for themselves. But this definitely tells a lot here. So last but not least, Tina, before we wrap up. And once again, thank you so much for you being generous with your time. I know you're working a lot of things and you're probably not getting a lot of sleep because you're working with time zones when we were going through doing a deal.

And at the time, we were in France and we were selling one of our companies and the people that we were doing business with were in San Francisco. That time zone messed us up. We try to have a good time, but we that we were doing business with were in San Francisco. That time zone messed us up. We try to have a good time, but we were non-stop doing this and we're trying to entertain people. It was kind of weird place. I appreciate you for being patient with your time.

To wrap up here, any final thoughts on where you are with this, your level of optimism, just a couple of weeks go a tweet came out, oh my God, they're going to be free today. Oh, this is every day someone's saying, they're going to be free today. They're going to be free today. Which where you are today? What is your level of optimism of how this thing is going to end? I have a great deal of optimism in where this will end as far as what's currently being investigated because again, there have been what's really important in all this time that's passed. There has been no new evidence, no new alleged victims, nothing new to support this case. And clearly at this point, the evidence has

not been strong enough for them to file charges against the brothers. So I think they're going to push this preventative arrest, you know, because they can for now while they're looking for evidence. But everything I've seen, I think it is not going to be hard to disprove all of these allegations. So I'm very optimistic in the ultimate result of this case. Obviously, it's not as soon as we would like. Each day they're in custody, we feel like it's an injustice because they should be home. But the only other thing I want to add is that, you hear human trafficking and that sounds awful. But this is just not a case of human trafficking.

And again, without getting into evidence, obviously it's difficult to explain really what I mean. But to emphasize, the webcam business is a legitimate business in Romania. Many women have come forward. There's articles you can read about how, about why this is just a thriving business there. And this gives women there a means of making a lot more income, you know, some of the time women don't have the means or the education to make the kind of money that they could get

from an industry like this. And, you know, there's standard, like any other job they have set hours, they, you know, take royalties, they pay commissions to the business that they're dealing with. So this is not something unusual in Romania. It really is a legitimate thriving business. And they are trying to take this legitimate business and criminalize it in this particular scenario and I think it's going to ultimately fail. Well, that's a playbook. The playbook is, hey, if we, just this question on what you just said, right, the curiosity.

So if it wasn't illegitimate and it wasn't a crime to go to jail, can the government suddenly create a law and get it passed to be in, then to get someone where you're convicting them of a crime because the laws have changed today, because that's what Giuliani did with the mob and all of a sudden 240-something people went to jail on the same day. Can they do that or that's not something they can't do? Typically, you can't enact, I mean, you could enact legislation, but it's on a moving forward basis.

There's no, in a criminal context, there typically is no retroactive application. So if something had predated when the law changes, then you can't go back and say something you did, because for a criminal charge, you need to have notice that the behavior is deemed to be criminal conduct. Got it. Okay. Well that's good to know to see. Okay. And last but not least to wrap up to the audience. So think about the audience that's watching this who doesn't like

Andrew Tate. And think about the audience here that's watching this that loves Andrew Tate. And then there's some that are in the middle like I don't know I'm just trying to see what's going on here. Zigilti Zinad. I'm just like some of the stuff is there's some stuff. I don't agree with but I'm more neutral similar to politics left right middle Right, what would you say to the people like what do the people? who think this is Somebody who is guilty? What what should they go look at like is there any articles? Is there any things to follow?

What can they do? Because there are a lot of people screaming off the top of their lungs that these guys belong in jail for the rest of their lives and those that are saying they don't on the opposite side being very supportive about it. What do you say to the people saying, no, these guys are guilty. They need to be done. They need to go jail and stay there forever. Two points I want to make on that.

First of all, I think people need to focus not on, you know, the content of their speech, whether they like or agree with what the brothers are saying. I think there's, you know, some other critical things that you need to think about, which is the fact that, do we believe people should be detained when they haven't even been criminally charged? Is it right to keep someone in jail for several months when there is not enough evidence to charge them at the time. That's one thing. Second of all, do we want to start criminalizing speech? Are we putting people in jail so that we can try to reprogram them? That's not what our justice system is supposed to be.

And so we're trying to keep the system accountable. And that's not, you don't put someone away, seize all their assets, try to get them to break so that they come out and they don't say the things they were previously saying. And I feel like that's something that seems to be happening in this case because there's a number of people who don't, I should say a big portion of people

who don't agree with their messaging. But that's something that should be addressed in a different way, not through the criminal justice system. That's not where you debate ideas and it's not an appropriate use of the system. As far as what people could look at or read to learn more, I would just say that I think a lot of the things that Andrew says are taken out of context. I think you'll always see that one little phrase that says misogynist, you know, Andrew Tate believes women are property.

And then if you actually sit down and watch his long form interview, he puts everything in context. And, you know, he says, no, I believe women are equal. I think when I said that, what I meant was, you know, in a religious way, the way somebody gives, you know, the father gives away the bride. So, you know, he'll explain a lot of what he means. And I think it makes a lot more sense when you hear his long format interviews rather than just hearing, you know, reading a headline or seeing one little clip of something he said, taken out of context, which I don't think accurately reflects what his messaging is.

And I think if you watch enough of his content, you realize that the overwhelming majority of the things he says is, you know, are things that I don't think anybody disagrees with. I think it's all meant to be motivational and it's trying to get young boys and men, but it applies equally also to women just to be the best version of themselves and to work hard and to live their best life and not to be lazy. And, you know, there's a lot of positive messaging that people relate to. And I think it's a very small fraction of the things he says that are controversial. Make sense. That was self-autina. Any major dates to look at? That's any event, any days that are coming up or nothing yet? Yes. So Monday is actually a big day Monday. We are going to be in court again in

Romania for the appeal of the extension of the detention order as to the tape brothers. So the lower court pretty much extended it. However, that that decision is being appealed. And that'll be heard on Monday. And we're hopeful that on appeal, you know, it gets reversed. and they are released on House arrest as well. That's great. That's great to know. I know many people are, many of us are following it very, very closely. Tina, once again, thank you for taking the time to coming out and giving us a bit of an

update on what's going on. A lot of people are following this closely and I can tell you if there's anything they could have done to make the persona even bigger than it already was, they just did that because it's going to be interesting when he does come out. If the allegations once everything is done with and if he is freed, where he lives, how he changes his messaging, how much bigger he gets, does he push back more, does he challenge more, maybe does he get on a spaceship with Elon Musk or two different planet and create his content from there so the jurisdictions

are different. Who knows what's going to be happening. All I know is I appreciate you giving your perspective and GHS got a shout out today. This is a very weird shout out today for Glendale High School out of all the high schools. Right. It's us and it's John Wayne, just so you know, John Wayne went to our high school as well. So anyways, Tina, I think that's not fun to fact. Yes. Thank you so much for your time. Have a good one. Thank you. It was a pleasure talking to you. Likewise. Right. Okay.

Bye. Bye. Okay. Or we are.