PBD Podcast - Are We Living Longer Than Ever? | PBD Podcast | EP 40

Starting point is 00:00:00 Okay, now we're live. We are live officially. Okay, so we are live. By the way, FY, FY everybody just so you know, Adam is on fire to fire up to the day. We get Tom's enter. Yeah, no, like that's too much pressure. That's too much. Yeah, he's on fire today just so you know, Tom, good to have you on.

Starting point is 00:00:17 Nice to see you guys. Good to be here. Great office. Happy to be here. I got a credit you guys, man. You know, you hear all these stories about the people leaving New York and California for Florida and for Texas. You guys were smart enough to leave Texas for Florida. I mean, I talk about time with the weather right now. I don't know if you're oh, buddy. It's it's it's it's it's it's pretty intense. I mean, we

Starting point is 00:00:36 lived there for I lived there for five years and we never had negative. It they say it feels like it's negative 10 right now in Dallas. No electricity. None of everybody's wearing five layers of clothes. It's a mess. Colder in Dallas yesterday, when the sun rose, five degrees, as opposed to Anchorage, Alaska, where it was 18. That is how bad it is. That is intense. You know what's crazy?

Starting point is 00:00:58 Yeah. Yesterday, Tom Ellsworth still figured out a way to get out of the airport. He drove to the airport 35 miles an hour, got on a flight, set the example for morale to follow. They got on a flight. They had to Louisville for an event with Sao Paulo's Vargas is on the rest of the crew. So, you know, shout out to them. Yeah, Tibo's going to be there and Tibo's apparently going to be a baseball player right now. Apparently, you know, touch down Jesus goes to home run Jesus. Your favorite guy, you're your big

Starting point is 00:01:22 Tibo guy. That's your guy as a tim people. Yeah, Tim. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, we got we got a lot of things to cover today. A lot of things to cover. So we're clear. The last time that we all did this, we were in Dallas six weeks ago.

Starting point is 00:01:33 What are the chances that we all go back to Dallas and do this? Let's stay in Boka. I don't think it's going to have fired up. Yeah. So tell us why you lit up today. What is it? Is it coffee?

Starting point is 00:01:43 Is it the seven minute bike ride? Is it the workout? Is it the shorts? What what happened to everything? It's everything and much more. By the way, Adam showed up with the most on up. You like, how do you, how do you explain those shorts? You know how you watch people wearing shorts and then there's uncomfortable shorts where

Starting point is 00:01:59 they're three inches too high shorts. Yeah. Yeah. What was the other one? They're called days you do. They're called days you do. I think it's was the show? Another one from what he called. They're called days. I think it's one of those things that can't be explained. It has to be experienced.

Starting point is 00:02:09 Yeah, you don't want to experience. You know, the real atoms coming out now that we're in Florida. I'm going to learn a lot about it. He's a little bit more comfortable. If I start rollerblading to work, just alert my parents. So can you tell us real quick, what happened with this? I rode my bike to work. What happened with the donut today?

Starting point is 00:02:21 Oh, the donut. Don't disrespect. It was a muffin. Oh, muffin. It was a muffin. Oh muffin. It was a big difference. Listen, Kai's going to weigh in here. Kai, can you turn me up on the audio here? Turn Kai down a little bit. 20%. Yeah, and turn me up 10%. Cause I fired up.

Starting point is 00:02:34 Last night, we had an HR situation going on here. Our first HR situation in the office. So here's what happened. I'm going to play this out real quick. We'll get to the podcast guy. Huge car bad viket huge car bad viket. He eats carbs like he's never gonna be no donuts muffins, wraps sandwiches. You ain't gonna be 24 ever. You guys 22. I'm like, oh, wait till you're my age, buddy. You're gonna look at carbs totally doing it. Well, at last. So me, go for it. If you don't need to get about me, I'm eating low carb wraps, you know, you know, you know, you understand. Sean has got you on that team, you know, vibe.

Starting point is 00:03:05 Pat's eating egg whites. By the way, how are the egg whites this morning? This is a big deal. 10 times better than the day. No, you're just the white. Just the egg whites. So boom, we're on the kitchen yesterday. It's probably around 6, 6, 30 days winding down.

Starting point is 00:03:15 HR situation complaint. Kai, who ate my muffin? Somebody literally ate your muffin. Making accusations. Somebody went in, and I had it in the freezer. This was on Friday. And I was the whole day, I was kind of looking for a eating a month.

Starting point is 00:03:29 They went in, they warned it out. They took the time and they ate it. Yes. That's not an HR situation. And it was the last one. That is the last one. I mean, they molested the button. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:03:37 Listen, listen, I know what it's like to be falsely accused now because he pinned it on me because I knew as you, you left early on Friday, you stole the on me because I knew as you, you left early on Friday, you stole the muffin and left early Friday. Boom, you're guilty, right? And I'm like, dude, I haven't had a carbs since like 2002. And now I'm stealing muffins. Did you guys figure out who took the money?

Starting point is 00:03:56 Yeah, here's the deal. So I went. So it's Eric. Is it Mario? Is it Eric? We were doing wagers. We think it's Mario. Is it Eduardo?

Starting point is 00:04:04 It could have been Eduardo. It could have wagers. We think it's Mario. We think it's, you know, it could have been a Eduardo. It just got in from Venezuela. But so I said, listen, I'm going to make a formal HR complaint. We're going to sit to sit to situation out and figure it out. This muffin, fresco. The muffin. Yeah. So I go to HR.

Starting point is 00:04:17 HR is none other than Mickey. I said, Mickey, we have a case of the missing muffin. She goes, oh, I ate the muffin. She didn't say that. Yeah, straight up. She smiled. oh, I ate the muffin. She didn't say that. Yeah, straight up. She smiled. No, she goes out of it.

Starting point is 00:04:28 Panic attack, sugar attack, Friday had to have the muffin. I go, Mickey, I got a HR, you HR. We got a missing muffin. Wow. Okay. I mean, this is where you see Kai's ugly sides. He deals his carbs. I mean, you were ruthless, yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:41 Must have been a good muffin. Yeah, I mean, listen, shout out to Mickey. Yeah, shout out to Mickey. Shout out to Cuide. So is she getting you back on a muffin? She's like, oh, I owe you one. Oh, my God. Just so I don't undersell this.

Starting point is 00:04:53 Kai, how heated were you on this muffin? I was just marking my territory. Okay, that makes sense. We sold it in a brand new office. We're not even a week in and people are stealing food. Yeah, put your name on it. There you go. That's typically way to do it. Put your name on the bag. And that's what we did in the other office. You guys will figure it out. It's going to be all right. Kai will write it in frosting, you know, even more calories. There it is. Okay, so let's get right into it. Topics. We got SPACs. What is a SPAC? SPAC? AC. Why is everybody talking about SPACs? Why is Shamat in a SPAC? Why is Serena Williams

Starting point is 00:05:28 in a SPAC? Why is Steph Curry in a SPAC? Why is Shaqil Onil in a SPAC? A. Rod, Billy Bean, Tillman Furtata, Billy Foley, even Kaepernick just got into a SPAC. Yeah, pretty interesting. A lot of people are in SPACs. We'll talk about that. Is it going mainstream? Then you got the parlor announces it's back online with no hosting service. That's time. Yeah, exactly. Jaguar, Land Rover's car range to be fully electric by 2030.

Starting point is 00:05:57 Bumbles founder Whitney Folle heard becomes the youngest self-made woman billionaire after IPO. JP Morgan, a Morgan Stanley or I'm in Bitcoin, a big number, by the way, which by the way, Bitcoin just crossed 50K. Anybody else want to help Apple build an electric car. Another big auto brand said no thanks. Redded raise a quarter of a billion. We may get into that today. Is there a mood difference between Biden and Trump? I'd be curious into what Zener has to say about this. Senate acquits Trump and impeach trial. Can you imagine like, so grandpa, tell me the craziest thing you ever did in life. Well, I got acquitted twice as a president. Yeah, but he's going to spin it. It was unbelievable. No one has ever

Starting point is 00:06:38 been acquitted twice. I've been so far more times acquitted than any other president. Oh my gosh. Clinton can only do it once. I'm doubling him. Yeah. California says new sum recall driven by small business owners. By the way, they got the votes will cover that Cuomo covered cover up. It's nearly 1900 nursing homes home death, which he is now blaming it on politics. Yes, did I don't know if you guys saw that or not.

Starting point is 00:07:00 2.8 million Texans are with our power as the state battles and unprecedented winner storm. Nevada casino East coronavirus capacity restrictions Monday, which is a very, very good sign for concerts, events, all of that, just going to Vegas. New Yorkers are fleeing to Palm Beach out of all the play. Why would you go to South Florida? I don't understand why you would want to move to Palm Beach or South. Stay in New York, stay in New York, and NYC til I die. And New York City businesses are following Israel plans to reopen Jim Smalls and Hotels, but a big but only for people who have been vaccinated. And let me see what else I got.

Starting point is 00:07:35 We got a list. I asked Kai to pull up the list of people who've been banned from Twitter. And it'd be interesting to go through some of these names that we got on who has been banned from Twitter. Because to be interesting to go through some of these names that we got on who has been banned from Twitter, because it feels, is this a new thing like, banning people as Twitter, banning people for years?

Starting point is 00:07:51 Is it new? Let's just kind of see where that's at. How long has it been going on? Yeah, and then the end of an era of old people, meaning why are old people winning at the highest level right now? So we'll get into that. Matter of fact, why don't we just start off with that?

Starting point is 00:08:06 Aero of old people. So, Tom, why don't you take the lead with this? You know, a lot of things are going on right now. What do you think is this a, should we be paying attention to why old people are kicking major tail rights? A 100%. How can you not?

Starting point is 00:08:19 Okay, this is the era of the young person. Sorry, Jen, whatever you are, all you. Here's the facts. Okay, so you had Bruce Ariens win the young person. Sorry, Jen, whatever you are, all you. Here's the, here's the facts. Okay. So you had Bruce Ariens win the Super Bowl 68 years old oldest Super Bowl coach to ever win the Super Bowl. I mean, Bellicic acts grumpier and older, but he's actually younger. You have President Trump, who was 72. You have Joe Biden replacing him. He's 78 or staying in sports. You have Serena. She's 39. She had a baby like what three, four years ago. And she's still dominating. She's in the semi finals. That the Australian open. You've got LeBron. No one can touch him right now. Lakers are

Starting point is 00:08:53 probably going to win another title. He's 36. It go Tom Brady 39. No, no, 43. Yeah, 43. Tom Brady 43. You got Dr. Fauci who's 80 you got Nancy Pelosi, who's 80. I don't think that you can have that much of a coincidence where that many older people are dominating. Now is Nancy Pelosi and Fauci doing anything great? No, that's called longevity. They've just been able to hold on to the job. But everybody's going to emulate what these athletes are doing without a doubt. And Aryans was supposed to be done. I mean, he's, he goes against the norm for every coach in the NFL. They're grinding all day, 18 hour days watching film. He's kicking it back in Tampa, having a cocktail at the end of the night. And it worked. I think if you're smart enough

Starting point is 00:09:32 to surround yourself with great people, LeBron was 35 when the Lakers sucked. Okay. He was still all and they sucked. The next year he got Anthony Davis, he got other great players. Tom Brady looked like he was on a decline until he leaves Bill Balochek, starts getting his friends in there like grunk and everybody they win another Super Bowl. Serena is just an animal. I mean, she just refuses to become mediocre. And so there is, I think it's a great sign because I don't think you only want young people running everything. There's something about experience. There's something about wisdom that you can lead and stuff. Now, I'm not saying everybody has to do it, but I think it's more of a more than

Starting point is 00:10:09 just a coincidence because you have nutrition that's improved, fitness, you're able to live longer. There's so many things that are working in the factors that benefit older people if you still got the drive and the hunger and you want it. If you don't, you're irrelevant and it doesn't matter. But you can go longer and in the lead level if you make plans to do it. What a great point. What a great opening point time. Adam, from the oldest guy on the podcast.

Starting point is 00:10:32 Why did you have to go there? I mean, you know, we're in our 40s, you're in here late 40s? Okay, careful my kids, my kids, my kids. They don't know all of them. We're doing okay. Great point by time. Okay, can't dispute that.

Starting point is 00:10:44 Something that I talk about in my business, life settlements, life longevity. Something that I also talk about in personal finances that people are living longer. The retirement is being reinvented. I just did that interview with Kyosaki, where traditionally our grandparents, or great grandparent, whatever it is at this point, however old you are, life expectancy in the United States a hundred years ago was like 67 years old, right? Now life expectancy is easily into your 80s if you take care of yourself. Obviously, you know, these days with COVID pre-existing conditions not taking care of yourself. But you could live to 90,

Starting point is 00:11:15 a hundred, no problem in the United States of America these days if you just take care of yourself. Right? So overall as a country, we are reinventing long-jeb. What do all these guys that you said are living longer, haven't come in? You said you said experience wisdom nutrition, drive. What else do they have? They have talent around them. I think which helps. They they can afford like a Serena Williams and a Tom Brady. They can afford the millions of dollars. It takes to be at that level. They have a trainer. Okay. So there you go. So go go there. You said they can afford what they can afford the things that can compete allow them to compete at the highest level, which is the great

Starting point is 00:11:50 nutrition is the personal coach. That's very big right there. You know that you know what's the country in the world with the longest life expectancy in the world. I mean, I guess it's Norway or something in your monaco. Yeah. 89 and a half good living out there 89 and half because it's the wealthiest country in the country. Because it's the wealthiest country in the world. So you can afford better health you can afford to go see the doctor. So there is maybe there is some, you know, correlation between wealth and health. So when when people say wealthy because you know the back in the days and the 20s and the 30s when they would make the cartoons of wealthy people who was it, it was the guy.

Starting point is 00:12:20 The big bad cap of the barren, the exact railroad guy. That's not the case today anymore. It's changed its slender. It's in shape. It's what a personal friend or a steward yoga. If you've worked hard that hard to keep that type of wealth, don't you want to stay alive to enjoy it, right? And you have that advantage and you can right now.

Starting point is 00:12:38 I think the biggest reason people die younger is because they're so hard on their bodies. I mean, you're reckless with your diet and things like there's so many ways to kill yourself if you want to. Just the way the food companies put preservatives in everything and it's out there if you want to do it. But you can also take the other route and really defeat those odds and live almost as long as you want if you take care of yourself and try to be disciplined as much as you can. What do they call it back in the day? The gout was called the, the, the King's disease or what was it called? Oh, because only, would all eat red meat and and wine and you would just like deteriorate your entire body and your existence now

Starting point is 00:13:12 We went over Tom Brady's regimen the day after the Super Bowl. I mean the guy is up at 530 doesn't eat certain foods works out You know protein shakes. He started training in the other day. I mean he was drunk shit after the Super Bowl But that's a whole different topic that felt great. But listen, if you're listening to this and you got somebody in the family that's kind of like, well, I feel like I'm old, I feel like I'm this, like they need to hear this message. What was just said, that needs to be shared with them

Starting point is 00:13:38 and say, Dad, can you go listen to this? Can you mom, can you go listen to this? Because a part of this is as well attitude. I think it's an also an attitude thing. Did I tell the story on the podcast about John DeRoccafeller? Have we talked about the Rockefeller? I got a little bit of a glitch going on here. Me too.

Starting point is 00:13:55 It's one of ours. I don't know who it is. Can you guys see it? Okay, it's gone. Do we talk about the John DeRoccafeller story? So that's the story, please. So John DeRoccafeller, when he's a little kid, he said there's two things I want to do in life.

Starting point is 00:14:05 I want to make $100,000, which in today's money, he made $350,000. He said he wants to make, no, no, no, no, no, no. He said he wants to make, he's eventual wealth when he died. In today's money with inflation, it's $350,000 of today's wealth. That's baseless and must combine. That's rocker phone. When he was a kid, he said, I want to make a hundred thousand dollars, and I want to live up to a hundred years old.

Starting point is 00:14:31 He was born in 1835, 18, 1835. You know how old he was when he died? Late 90s, maybe. 97 and 11 months. At a time where the life expectancy was 39 and a half for a man 39 and a half unreal life expectancy was 39 and a half in 1835 in 1835 the average life expectancy was 39 and a half He lived 97 years and 11 months. He was two years and a month away from reaching that hundred You're old. That's like at that time right crazy stuff. Yep. But here's the question. Here's a question. Today, with what we have, with today's Rockefeller waking up and, you know, six years old, 10 years old saying, when I grow up, I want to have, you know, a trillion dollars or a billion dollars or whatever it is. And I want to live up to what is that number today?

Starting point is 00:15:20 I think the kids going to say a hundred. I think I don't think anyone is going to say I want to live to be a hundred and ten because I don't think anyone is gonna say, I wanna lift to be 110, because I don't know how good your life is gonna be, but I think in the past, maybe you say 85, 90, I'm gonna say a hundred. What do you think today, today? Kids being, guys, I'm actually curious to know, I may come to you as well.

Starting point is 00:15:35 What do you think kids being born to? Like, let's just say a dash. Start, right? I mean, he's got a little injury right now. A dash is, he's gonna be 12 next week. Happy early birthday to that. Take a eight year old kid. Take a 10 year old kid driven kid. I'm going to go out there and do this. How old do you think the oldest person is going to be that's eight, 10,

Starting point is 00:15:52 12 years old today? I can speak for dash. He'll say 13 because there's a 20-stay rail he's going to try to go down there and he'll probably knock himself out. Well, there was an article it was a cover story. I think Time Magazine, handful of years ago, that babies being born today are going to live to age 130, 150. Something crazy about that. I don't know the exact number. Do you think it's capable? It's possible that some are made with 150?

Starting point is 00:16:13 You hear me, Lord. I do. And here's why. Because look how medicine is advancing. Look at the technology. When we start really figuring out some of these diseases, cancer wipes out so many people. What if they got their handle on cancer? So if you were born with, you know, something in your body that predetermined that you're going to get cancer and you can eliminate that, boom, 20% of people

Starting point is 00:16:33 are going to live longer automatically, maybe a whole lot longer. People maybe get away from the heart disease issues that kill so many people, maybe driving cars, they're autonomous and it's safer on the road. There's less drunk drivers. I don't know, but I do believe 130 to 150 is a possibility because nothing surprises me anymore. What do you guys think if you're watching this? If you think people, kids who are 8, 10, 12 years old today can live up to 150 years old, smash the thumbs up button. If you think Pat, you guys are out of your mind no way in the world.

Starting point is 00:17:02 They're going to live maybe 90, 100, 110, especially thumbs down button. I'm actually curious about what the audience thinks. Go ahead. I mean, you hear stories even now. I think some, a, a, a, a, none in France 110 years old, just beat COVID. One 16. She's never had 16. She's 116 beat COVID.

Starting point is 00:17:18 Insane. Yeah. Insane. But think about it. She's never put anything bad into her body, probably, right? Living on a convent. You know, she's praying. She's doing her thing.

Starting point is 00:17:27 You know, I think there's one more factor that's involved and you kind of mentioned it. It's a motivation. What motivates you to want to live that long? And the perfect example is Jeff Bezos and the transformation that he's gone under physically since he's the last 10 or 15 years. And since he's had the new girlfriend, have you seen he's buffed? He's dressing differently. Fashion is important.

Starting point is 00:17:44 He seems to have a totally different motivation. And if you have that reason to live really long, you're going to do all the little things in your life that will allow you to. But you got to find that one motivation that'll get you there. I'll say one thing and then I want to get your opinion. You talked about motivation. We talked about, we talked about attitude. You know, you talked about reinventing yourself, rediscovering, reenergizing, re-everything, reinvigorating. You know, to the 40 year olds are out there,

Starting point is 00:18:12 I have friends who are 40, and they're like, oh, I've got two kids, I've already done what I had to do. I'm getting old, I'm like, bro, you're freaking 40. Yeah. I'm 40, I'm a man. You remember seeing that before? What are you talking about?

Starting point is 00:18:24 I've already I'm too old, 40, man. You remember say everything I've been for? What are you talking about? Like, I've already I'm too old. 40 bro? There's a list of people who completely started companies after the age of 40. 40 is nothing these days. Moving forward, let's say you're in your 60s. I'll give you two tales. My step that is in his late 60s, complete mess.

Starting point is 00:18:39 Has given up on life, his health is horrible. He's listening to this. What are you doing? He's not listening. He's a complete mess. I have my uncle, who's 70. He's given you a hard time. You're gonna be all right. He's trying health as horrible. He's listening to this. He's not listening. He's a complete mess. I have my uncle who's seven. He's given you a hard time. You're going to be a lot of

Starting point is 00:18:48 trying to motivate you. I promise you, he's given up. No motivation, not reinventing himself. I'm 68 years old. Not that I have my uncle who's 70. Wealthy guy works out every day, takes care of himself, constantly coming up with business I just that's Ross is dead, complete stud, same age. So this is talked about motivation, this talks about attitude. So I'll know

Starting point is 00:19:13 when I'm getting old. So Udana's has them. He's the long, you know, I played against him in high school. He's sitting on the end of the, yeah, for real. Yeah, in Miami, he's 40 years old now. I played against him, he's still in the league sitting at the end of the bench on the Miami Heat. So, and I've known the guy like off and on for 20 freaking years now. So when I see him at games, I used to go to the games. It's always like a head nod, like a respect, like keep doing your thing.

Starting point is 00:19:37 He's still there doing his thing 40 years old. He's a cheap coach. And you've got cheap coach millions of bucks. That's it. That's it. That's it. Veteran, you veterans. Thatep coach veteran. You better. It's probably makes $1 million here.

Starting point is 00:19:47 How great it is to have players like that. Well, respect to someone like that. Keep everybody in line in the line. You got guys younger than Kai coming to league. I put my hand around here. So 40 years old, still doing his thing. Tom Brady 43, LeBron 37. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:20:02 Haslam is in the same league as Brady, but I get what you're doing. No, but I'm just saying like, Haslam, he likes you. He's an OG in Miami. We're in South Florida. So here's my question. You talked about age, you talked about age. Do you want to live to age a hundred?

Starting point is 00:20:14 Is that a number you want to live to? Because for me, 100% I want to go that long. I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind living 200. Yeah, it's not something I said, I'm gonna live 200 yet, I haven't said that. It's not like, you know, I'm gonna go out there and live 200, but I think I would of my live in 200. The gentleman, Kirk Kirkorian. Yeah, 99, 98.

Starting point is 00:20:38 A hero of yours. Yeah, he's a stud. He lived to almost 100, what it was? 98, 99. Okay. He's a small body frame. Yeah, 98, 99. Okay. He's a he's a small body frame. Yeah, he's a little dude. He's five four.

Starting point is 00:20:49 It's a different store when you're five four six four. Six four. You know, the littler you are, the, that's a better thing. Of course it is. Really? You have, you have, you have less things that could go back. Knees, you know, your arms are a mess. So, no, no, no, we are.

Starting point is 00:21:04 That's not, listen, LeBrona 68. So it's not an excuse I'm making, but you know, it arms are a mess. So no, no, no, we are. That's not, listen, LeBron is six eight. So it's not an excuse I'm making, but you know, it's difference when it's taller versus show by a 97, 98 years old. 100, you want to get to 100. 100 would be how about you? You know what just means compound. Yeah, I'm not going to attach a number two. I just want to keep being healthy and I'll, I'll take it to 120 or buy out at 88 if I'm not. What are you putting pressure on your time with his head?

Starting point is 00:21:24 I'm just excited. I'm already going. Yeah, baby. The OG, the very. So that was haslam. That was a very, very good opening pick me up or four. Yes. I would highly share that part of it with your family to listen to that.

Starting point is 00:21:37 Okay. So Elon Musk asks Putin. If he wants to have a conversation with him on clubhouse. mask asks Putin if he wants to have a conversation with him on clubhouse. Wow. Yeah. Can you imagine a Zdrasvici Vladimir Putin, Khara Shomalazietz, will you please come and join me on clubhouse? You speak Russian.

Starting point is 00:21:58 No, I don't speak Russian. I've had Russian friends, but I don't speak Russian. Okay. So Tesla CEO Elon Musk on Saturday asked Russian president Vladimir Putin. If he was interested, I have an conversation on Clubhouse, the up and coming social media platform that connects people via audio chat, audio chat, Musk tweeted directly to the official Twitter account of the president of Russia asking, would you like me to join me in a clubhouse? He followed that with a tweet entirely in Russian that transit. It would be a great honor to speak with you. Kremlin called Musk's idea for Putin to join clubhouse app.

Starting point is 00:22:27 Interesting seeking details. Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov told reporters on a conference call in general. This is, this is, of course, a very interesting proposal. But we need to understand what is, what it's meant, what it's being proposed. First, we need to check them. We will react. We want to figure it out. First president, Putin does not want want does not personally use social networks directly

Starting point is 00:22:47 He doesn't have them. Pescov said so what what's this about you said something about musk every day There seems to be a what would most there's a big story. He's moving the market. He's doing something He clearly knows it. He knows the power he has He's the most influential person on the planet right now. I mean, outside of politics, probably you have to go there. I don't think so. I think you think outside of politics. The only reason I say that is because some madman have a finger on a nuclear bomb. So that's a lot of influence if you can just go nuts and wipe out half the world.

Starting point is 00:23:16 Outside of some extreme behavior like that, he's the most influential person in the world. Not almost every day. Any tweet he sends out is news. It's big news. And people are so blindly following him, they will do whatever he says. I guarantee you there are 10 million people trying to buy stock in Russia because he sent out that tweet yesterday, even though that's not a company. Okay, I guarantee you they're calling their brokers. They're going on Robin Hood. If it's still around real estate property, you know, who can't spinning right now because usually I am the one with the alternative

Starting point is 00:23:47 or motive? Is that German or Russian? I don't even know. I'm terrible at ex-tops. Tom, don't go the access. Okay. Do what you do. Okay.

Starting point is 00:23:55 So you know what? Musk knows it. The question I was wondering to myself, because I'm always writing these stories on VT Post because anything Elon Musk, if he says something about Bitcoin, hey, he bought one point or he invested 1.5 billion into Bitcoin, he said he liked Etsy one time, the stock went nuts the next day. Even when he promotes a different stock, like a solar wind company, maybe the Nasdeck ticker sign isn't real common.

Starting point is 00:24:17 So if you twist one letter around, that company will go up 15% in one day. He's got, he's such a big thinker. I think there has to be 15 documentaries done on him. I don't know how he does it with, you know, he's coming to Miami and digging a tunnel for 30 million. They thought it was going to cost a billion. He's going to alleviate traffic now for 30 million with his boring companies doing it in Vegas. Space X just launched new rockets today. I mean, I don't know how he does it, but he's got, he's not going to reach out to him without a reason. He wants to build a plant in Russia, right? He wants to open up Russia to Tesla. it, but he's got, he's not going to reach out to him without a reason. He wants to build a plant in Russia, right?

Starting point is 00:24:45 He wants to open up Russia to Tesla. It's a market for him that he's not into yet. And he probably wants to find a cheap place to build more cars over there, but it clearly caught Putin off guard on his heels a little bit. And you're not used to seeing him react like that. But he knows it's an opportunity because of must call something good is on the other line probably. Wait, wait, wait wait wait before check out this

Starting point is 00:25:05 This is this was before and after Elon's tweet And that's not even what he said he tweeted use signal which is like an encrypted app When whenever what's app announced that they would start storing the data and then people went a rush to buy the data and then people went rushed to buy a public traded company which is called signal but completely different company and you just see a jump from what you're at 60 cents to seven bucks. And by the way, it stayed up after that. If you actually give him credit, it went from being like a 20 cent company to $3 that maintained it.

Starting point is 00:25:39 So what do you got to say about that? I mean, Tom hit it right on the head. I mean, he moves the market just with a tweet with any single comment. Three points to make here on this entire story. Number one, have we ever seen a business rock star like Elon Musk? I mean, Steve Jobs was never a rock star. Bill Gates, not a rock star, Warren Buffett, not really buddy. Even someone like Richard Branson, like that guy, Pales and comparison to Elon Musk.

Starting point is 00:26:04 I can't think of jobs is the closest. Yeah, but he was never, I mean, jobs, you know, rest and rest and power, but he, I'm just saying he was the closest. I'm not saying he was. Right, but he's nowhere on Elon's level in terms of like the influence and what he's doing. Now there was no Twitter.

Starting point is 00:26:18 There was no none of that. Yeah, but he was a rock star. He was a private person. He was a private person. Yeah, he wasn't out there. But point is Elon Musk is business rock star social media doing it all moving markets. That's the more close to him when he said like a business man like that is 20 star. There is nothing. He's the only and it's a movie. Yeah. So it's Ironman.

Starting point is 00:26:38 That's the closest thing to Elon Musk. So that's what we did. The irony, the irony is that Tony Stark was based off of none other than Elon Musk. Was he really? And that's what we did. The irony, the irony is that Tony Stark was based off of none other than Elon Musk. Was he really? And that's what Elon Musk was 10 years ago. Robert Downing Jr. went, visited Elon Musk when he was developing how the character was going to be all Marvel. So there, did you know that? No, that part I didn't.

Starting point is 00:26:59 So you just intuition. It's like your Batman sense is just right behind. He's right behind you. Yes, me. He's giving you a look. So that's number one. So point number two. Number two. That was great. Yeah. Point number two. Let me put in no have social media. Nothing. That's Russian. I don't know nothing. I don't have. I don't even know how interviewing Russian wives right now. This is how you do the broker. Russia. Yes. Put in no have social media. That's pretty intense. No social media whatsoever. No, you know,

Starting point is 00:27:27 rotis, you know, president of the Russia, whatever the hell it is. Nothing. Okay. I mean, and then the third point here is clubhouse. Clubhouse wasn't even a thing six months ago. I never heard of it. We just heard about it recently. Well, no, they just raised a hundred million dollars. They're valued at a billion dollars now. And they've had things going up. I'm sure they existed. Mark and Reese's up. There's a lot of people that are on there that they've never heard of clubhouse

Starting point is 00:27:52 until I started being with value taming less than six months. Sure. There's when I heard about it. And you said, oh, you invited me. You said here and joined the list. There was like three months ago. Yeah. But that is the platform that Elon Musk invites Vladimir Putin to do the interview.

Starting point is 00:28:05 Pretty intense. So those are the three things. Elon Musk, Rockstar, Vladimir, no social media and the rise of clubhouse. By the way, if you can get in clubhouse, get in clubhouse, because right now it's only worth a billion and they're going to go. This is an idea that could go to 50 hundred million. What do you mean get in clubhouse? If you can get in investment wise, this is not given recommendation.

Starting point is 00:28:24 Well, I'm just saying, if you, similar a bit coin, similar to any of those things, take a look at clubhouse in a different way than just a platform. Sure. Well, let me see the subject. Even if it's 5, 10, 20, 50,000, I asked you recently, Pat, who would you love to interview that you have never interviewed? You said Putin. You said Putin.

Starting point is 00:28:43 Yeah. Why Putin? When did I tell you that? A couple of weeks ago. A couple You said Putin? Yeah, of course. Why Putin? When did I tell you that? A couple weeks ago. A couple weeks ago. KGB, no one in those stores. We've reached out to Putin already. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:51 We talked to the camp. We talked to the camp regularly. I know all these bad things about David, man. And we'd like to do a live interview. Wouldn't be a clubhouse. I like it. Why would you select Putin out of everybody in the world? I think he is the most powerful man in the world today.

Starting point is 00:29:03 Wow. I don't think it's Biden. Most powerful. Are you kidding me? Like over the Chinese president? Guys. Over she. Over over over.

Starting point is 00:29:11 Let me let me put it to you this way. Strati not okay. So don't take away. What's the best way to put this? Okay. Has pop of it. Ever had a Kobe, a LeBron, a Jordan, a shack, a Kareem. Has he ever had a player like that?

Starting point is 00:29:25 Almost. Duncan. Duncan's not a top five, though. Okay. So Duncan, would you put Duncan top 10 or top 20? No, top 20. I'm with you. Okay, I'm with you.

Starting point is 00:29:33 But he's never had a arguably best power for it. I've never thought this was not a power forward debate. This is about he never had a Michael, a Kobe, a LeBron, a Shaq. Right. A game changer. So who had two of them? Who had three of them? Phil, Phil had three of them. So let me ask you this.

Starting point is 00:29:47 What if you take those three out? I don't know what Phil would be. And what if you gave those three to pop? I don't know what pop would be. I don't know what Lenny Wilkins would be if he had a, I don't know what Lenny Wilkins is a thousand-win guy. I don't know what Larry Brown would be. We don't know this kind of stuff.

Starting point is 00:30:01 Wow, Lenny. Take away the country of China, Russia, US. Take purely leadership. Don't take resources. Of course, China and US resources are ahead. Who's the best strategist amongst those three? You kidding me? Putin will do laps between those two other guys.

Starting point is 00:30:16 And it's his KGB background. I mean, when you like to dive into that. Putin would do laps. Okay, if there's a fist fight, who wins? Putin. If there's a straight. Wait a second, Biden's got a crutch in his hand or a cane.

Starting point is 00:30:26 Does that count? Fine. So I got right in the chest that it's over. You guys are so funny. Now Putin is, Putin is probably, Putin in a fight. Well, it's Putin because who poses shirtless? It's Putin guys. Just putting, pose a shirtless on top of a horse and he's just like, hey, you guys want

Starting point is 00:30:42 to do something? Is that just for show for optics? I highly doubt that. Now listen, you can't be a, okay. So listen, as every country has dirt in it, I mean, dirty politics. Which country thinks got dirtier politics? Russia.

Starting point is 00:30:57 Okay, can you imagine surviving and leading a dirty politics country, top of a thing, that's got that kind, you have to be able to know how to play it again. surviving and leading a dirty politics country. Tap of a thing. That's got that. You have to be able to know how to play it again. He's been the president for 20 years now. How do you do that? How do you do that and maintain power for that long with he poisoned his enemies?

Starting point is 00:31:16 How many people want to throw you under the bus and he's still maintained it? You got to give the guy. Well, he hand picked all the ogolarks in that country, all the people that run into the system. But don't take it as an endorsement. This is not in there. I'm just telling you, he is the most powerful person right now.

Starting point is 00:31:32 Yeah. So that's your selection of who you'd love to. So now I got a weird question for you guys. I got a weird question for you guys. Here's my weird question for you. So we just talked about the era of old people that we talked about Elon Musk and we talked about Elon Musk inviting

Starting point is 00:31:47 Putin then you said every day Elon Musk is relevant. Okay. Is Elon Musk one dumb Tweet away from being suspended and permanently suspended from Twitter That's the question. Okay. I'm gonna you want an answer, right? I'm curious I'm gonna say no. I would say he's got more leash than one dumb because he's good for Twitter. All right, every time you hear about Elon being in the news, it's because of Twitter. Trump was bad for Twitter. For Twitter, business wise. Okay.

Starting point is 00:32:15 Okay, I'm just answering the question you asked. I do not believe he's one dumb tweet away. I think he's earned enough equity where he could have two or three. Meaning he's not dumb enough to do it, or he has the same card that he'll be forgiven both. He's clearly not that stupid where he's going to do something like that. Can I make two other points about Musk real quickly? Number one, it was 11 degrees in Moscow yesterday and eight degrees in Austin, Texas. So maybe he wants to move there. Who knows? That's why he called Boone. Number two, though, seriously, you know, you think about social media influencers or people

Starting point is 00:32:45 that have influence, that have a following that people respond to. What do brands do for them? They bring them money, so they post, right? It pushes the brand, makes them money. Elon Musk is immune to that, like an insider trading situation. Hey, can you do one tweet on my company? It'll blow up. He's already the richest person in the world.

Starting point is 00:33:04 There's no financial benefit for him individually to ever do something because you'd always ask yourself, when you have that much power and that much sway and so many disciples will that will do whatever you say to do with a five word tweet, are you susceptible to being bribed, insider trading, taking something that's unethical or doing something and using that power in a negative way? He can never do it for financial reasons because he doesn't have to. He's already the richest guy in the world. Would Twitter ever ban Elon Musk? That's the question. Yes, right? It's a two, it's a two prompt question. One is would he ever post something dumb enough that would jeopardize him staying on Twitter. And number two, would

Starting point is 00:33:46 Twitter ever have the audacity to say we were permanently banned? I think if he does do that. Just going on track record. I'm going to have to say, yes, why would I say yes? Number one, he's done some stupid stuff that has moved. Look, for all the kudos that were given Elon Musk, he's also done stuff that has hurt the brand and the stock. Like I could see either the, you know, board of directors or even self-imposed being like dude, put down the Twitter for a second. I could see that you, he went on Joe Rogan podcast smoked a blunt that did not help the company. I could see that thing.

Starting point is 00:34:20 And then if Twitter has any track record for silencing voices, especially more conservative voices, politically, I think that Elon Musk is center right. Right? I don't know how far right he is. He's certainly not a leftist or anything like that. I think he's more center right. He's obviously a capitalist for sure. Can I see him saying something so outlandish or so from his perspective, what he thinks is right, but you know, the

Starting point is 00:34:47 leftists, whoever's controlling Twitter thinks is wrong. I think it could happen. Do I want it to happen? Do my rooting for Elon Musk? Do my rooting for his companies and, you know, space travel hell, yeah. But based on track record, things that he've said and what Twitter has done or social media has done to right leaning voices, it's possible, yes. What do you think?

Starting point is 00:35:08 So here's how I process this. Here's how I process this. When you get a person like that, that is that eccentric mind nonstop working, you know, take a Howard Hughes, okay? And take a 20-starke-to-character. Howard Hughes is real character, 20-starke, you know, fictional character, Iron Man, okay? And take Tony Stark, the character. Howard Hughes, real character. Tony Stark, you know, fictional character.

Starting point is 00:35:28 Iron Man, right? The Robert Downey Jr. Okay? There was a part about the girl that plays in Iron Man that do just shut your mouth and stay down. You don't say anything to the media. I don't know if you remember that relationship. Is that called a peltrum?

Starting point is 00:35:40 Yes, yes. She's kind of like, dude, just don't say anything. You get in front of the mic, like, oh, screw it. Here's what I'm doing. You know what we of the mic, like, oh, screw it. Here's what I'm doing. You know what we're going to do? Just be quiet, right? Does Musk, like, is Musk the kind of guy that behind closed doors?

Starting point is 00:35:53 You tell him not to say something he won't say? I don't think so. I think if Musk wants to say something, he'll say. Now, let me flip it. So I do think there's an element of that. Let me go to a different direction. How it used? Is there an element of a mosque

Starting point is 00:36:05 that he could get bored out of his mind that he may want to do something crazy? I don't know. You know, he's gonna, in his brain, like he sees things that the world doesn't see. He sees the world from a different place. But I have a neural link in the brain. But I give you the last one here.

Starting point is 00:36:18 I'll give you the last one here. Why, I don't think it would happen. Here's what I don't think it would happen. I don't think it would happen because he came from the PayPal Mafia community and that entire community is all connected and they all work together. And somebody would make the call and say, Elon, just so you know, you're going to get a slap and we're going to have to

Starting point is 00:36:34 spend you for like a day or something. But you're going to get back on. Just don't do that. Yeah. Bro, like you and help in yourself. Okay, you know, and then he's going to go back to what he's doing because he came from that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:43 So where are we going with this? We're going with what he's doing because he came from that. So where are we going with this? We're going with what do you call it? People that have been suspended on Twitter, Kai, you may want to move the screen because the screen just blacked out Kai. Kai says HDMI. So, okay, so Trump, he got banned from Twitter, right?

Starting point is 00:37:01 Do you give credit to some of these guys, Elon Musk for knowing how to build allies? I don't know, because a part of this is also having allies. Did Trump have any allies in Silicon Valley? I don't know if he had any allies. Peter Thiel. No one public though.

Starting point is 00:37:19 Peter Thiel is not, he's influential, but he's not as influential as some of these other guys that are the, you know, Dorsey, some of these, some of these guys. Okay. He got close to Tim Cook. If you remember, Tim Cook came in, but does Tim Cook have more power than Zuck? Does Tim Cook have more power than what he called it? Dorsey?

Starting point is 00:37:39 When it comes down to, when it comes down to, I don't think so, because Trump doesn't need an app. Like, Apple's power is in the app. Like, we will not let your app be there, but Trump's power is he needs to communicate through what? Twitter or a Facebook, which is a platform. Apple's not a platform. Apple's a company that- We have access to those platforms through your phone. Yeah, but that means Apple would have to ban Facebook

Starting point is 00:38:04 and they're never gonna do that. Apple would have to ban Facebook and they're never going to do that. Apple would have to plan. They are. They aren't a little tip right now. They are, but it's different to communicate. There's no way Apple would, if they ban Facebook, it would be insane if they did that. Yeah. Trump's a bit of an outlier though, because we're talking about, again, I mean, what they said he did,

Starting point is 00:38:21 starting an insurrection and a riot in that. And there's a difference between that and whatever Musk or anybody else is even capable of tweaking, right? I mean, something that ended up with the capital being stormed is a little bit different. You know, he's got so much influence, Musk. I think Twitter's got to be afraid of him. Number one, and number two, couldn't he just snap them up or put them out if he wanted to or really seriously hurt them if they did something to him?

Starting point is 00:38:44 He's a $ 200 billion dollar guy. Twitter's a $40 billion company. I'm gonna come and buy you and you're out. But Dorsey is a guy that wanted to be a fashion design. So Dorsey's also not the guy that wanted to be a billionaire. Like Dorsey doesn't give a crap about being a billionaire. Dorsey's not the billionaire.

Starting point is 00:39:02 Dorsey's a grown-up homeless man. He's not at all the guy that's like the typical, I'm gonna go take over the world. That's not dorsis. He's saying it's not like an accidental billionaire. You know, he's actually a, I think deep down inside, has an activist bone to him.

Starting point is 00:39:17 And he really disagrees with some of the philosophical views, even if it costs them $5 billion or two. I don't think he cares. He has principles, values and principles. I think he's a true believer. I don't, it's not. And what he believes in. Okay.

Starting point is 00:39:30 And what he, I think he's a true believer in what he believes in. Let me, let me just, let me just cost him money. Let me circle back to the Trump and your initial question, you know, allies, allies. The problem with Trump is, but by the way, if you're enjoying the dialogue with the way it's going on, the podcast, with the three of us here today, and this is your first time joining us on the podcast, you have no clue what's going on, but you're liking to smash that subscribe button. Once we get to 100,000 subs, we're considering doing this possibly three times a week. Once it gets to 100,000, we got 53,000 more to go, but go ahead, you were talking about allies.

Starting point is 00:40:01 Shout out to Martin Morage. He says the PayPal mafia over the soy boy mafia. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. These days, Adam's wearing those shorts. They'll retreat. They'll run away. It's a good point. Submit. So somebody post a picture of his shorts or no, let's get that out there. Go ahead. Let's get that short team war when he made it. It's a man that we almost got kicked out of the building. You want to call me when Udana's handsome is dunking on him. That's the short. He was wearing. Yeah. Old school, old school 50s NBA NBA 60s NBA George Mike and all the way to the top. Judge. So back to allies, back to allies. And this is like, I can't believe I'm referencing something my mom would tell me in kindergarten, but she would tell me, um, with the voice,

Starting point is 00:40:40 with the voice, I'll do it. She would say, say, to have a friend, you need to be a friend. To have a friend, you need to be a friend. So I was like, oh, let me, I gotta be a friend to you if you could be a friend to me. The problem with Trump is he uses you, he chooses you up and he spits you out. Anyone who's left that team or whatever you wanna call it, the cabinet,

Starting point is 00:41:03 in, out, in, out. Any, I mean, we can go down the list. I mean, just gonna, you know, you know, go off the, off the cuff here. Rex Tillerson was there. Does not like him now. Anthony Scaramucci, your boy, was there for like a hot seven days out. What's my general Kelly in, out. I mean, homorosa.

Starting point is 00:41:22 Homorosa in, out. You don't hear those stories about Elon Musk. You don't hear, oh, I worked with Elon and he was a piece of shit and he fired me. You don't hear those, you hear those about Trump. So you talked about allies. I think to your credit, to your point, Trump, Musk makes a call to whether it's a Dorsey,

Starting point is 00:41:42 whether it's a Zook, whether it's a cook, whether it's a Bennysey, whether it's a Zook, whether it's a cook, whether it's a Benny off, whatever it is. And says, look, man, this that, this that, let's work it out. There, you know, intermediaries. Takes a friend to be a friend. I think he's got true allies where Trump, his legacy is he'll use you, abuse you, and then spit you out.

Starting point is 00:42:01 I mean, listen, there's, there's proof to show that that they take place. And there's proof on Ilan as well. Ilan's created a lot of enemies in a different way. Steve Jobs had a lot of enemies where I don't know if you've ever read the book Accidental Millionaire, not Accidental Millionaire. Accidental Millionaire was written in the 80s,

Starting point is 00:42:18 maybe early 90s. It's a fascinating book. But you know what the book, it's actually written in 95, I believe. Not the millionaire next door. Different book. Accidental Millionaire. Can you pull up accidental millionaires? Just apples old logo the rainbow logo book Accident to millionaire book. I want to know when it was written Shut up the guy's spelling

Starting point is 00:42:37 Go to go to Amazon go to Amazon right there. No go to Amazon. Yeah Click on that. There you go. See if it comes. That's not the book though. You see, that's the thing. No one can find a book. Go back. Oh, there it is. That's the one.

Starting point is 00:42:53 Look how many reviews it's got. Eight reviews. Lee Butcher. Okay. Going on here. Go down to see when this book came out. Go down. I mean, who reads this book?

Starting point is 00:43:01 Only 1987 this book came out. The entire book is Trashing Jobs. No, Cersei. The entire book is Trashing Jobs. No, seriously, the entire book is Trashing Jobs. Who's it written by? By people that got fired by him or let go by him. So, jobs and Trump had a little bit of a thing. And, you know, jobs was like in the middle of, if Musk is here, Trump is here, jobs was here.

Starting point is 00:43:21 Because jobs had a little bit of Trump going in them as well. But can you tell me, when did Twitter come up? When. But can you can you tell me when a Twitter come up? When did Twitter come out? Okay, exactly when the Twitter come out. No, six, seven. Okay, look, because the question's going to follow up with when the Twitter starts, what your oh six. Okay, when did Twitter first permanently ban its first user?

Starting point is 00:43:42 Oh, good question. One of the six they got started. When do you think was the first time they permanently banned a user? I Oh, good question. So, oh six they got started. When do you think was the first time they permanently banned you? I'd love to get our audience. I'm curious about that. Let's get the audience, sir. Don't Google it. Don't be that guy that Googles it.

Starting point is 00:43:53 Yeah, sirs, you don't do it. Oh, I got the right answer. Like, who do you think it is? Yeah. When do you think the first time, not the first person, but first time, they permanently banned somebody. Isn't the first time the first person? Yeah, but not the name. I'm not looking for the name. I'm not saying that next year because right

Starting point is 00:44:08 I was soon. I'm saying no seven. It was in a year. Just because someone's going to do something so stupid. Got it. What would you say? I'm going to take the other side of that. I think it's like more recent history. I think it's like 2014. Okay. So you're saying eight years later. Kai, do you already know the answer to this question? So I'm not going to ask you, Paul, when do you think was the first time Twitter after being around 2006? When is the first time they banned somebody? You know, I'm going to go with 2009. Okay. By the way, Paul wins because it's 2010.

Starting point is 00:44:41 Okay. It's December 8, 2010. Yeah. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that.

Starting point is 00:44:51 I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that.

Starting point is 00:44:59 I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I loved. Yes. Courtney loved. American musician and actress was banned permanently. Original account days after fashion designer Don filed a defamation suit against love over tweets made on March 17, 29, 2009. It was the first high profile defamation trial over

Starting point is 00:45:20 celebrity comments on Twitter. Wow. Love now uses a different account. Courtney, she's on, back on, but her first handle and behaving and behaving, but the first one was gone. So then it's another guy that happens in 2011, a Norwegian far right terrorist. No joke. And perpetrator 2011 Norway attacks. And how do you say? And there's Behring. I'm those spelling, baby.

Starting point is 00:45:43 Is that the guy that went to the summer camp? Yes. His account was hacked by an enemy shot. He said they would correct. Okay. So then you go some names that they have. Obviously anonymous. I don't know if you remember,

Starting point is 00:45:53 anonymous used to do those videos before with the mass. Do you remember? They used to be big. Everybody used to follow. And you know, you don't see a lot of them now. And then Hamas was taken out in 2014. Hamas, the Palestinian. Yeah. Exactly. Military wing then Hamas was taken out in 2014. Filmation. Hamas, the Palestinian. Yeah, exactly. Military wing of Hamas is Adin Al-Khazam Brigades was taken down.

Starting point is 00:46:12 And you got a bunch of different names that they're going through, right? So, so, you know, PewDiePie was temporary suspended for being pretending to be a member of ISIL. What? I mean, you have to be a fool to do that. But the PewDiePie 100 million subscriber act like he was a member of ISIL. Yeah, obviously you're going to get taken down for that. And then Jack Dorsey was taken down November, 2016. After restoring his account, Dorsey tweeted the suspension was due to an internal mistake. The founder and CEO, they take him down.

Starting point is 00:46:47 I bet you one of his unemployed play the joke on a suspended, and that's a great story. So anyways, then you got a bunch of different stories on what it is, right? I mean, you got a bunch of different stories. They can go through on who it is. Roger Stone got banned permanent October 2017. So the names you're looking at are relatively reasonable. Candace Owens got temporary band August 5th, 2018. You got a sabble was permanently band street artist. Chris Peranto was temporary band, okay?

Starting point is 00:47:24 September 8th, September 10th, 2018, using the words retard in a hashtag. He says you're an idiot and he uses a line from the movie, a traffic dunder, never go full over time. Yeah, that's so he's so the hashtag, it was temporary. There was everybody know that.

Starting point is 00:47:42 Everybody know. But no. James Woods, who if you don't know James Woods is a big Twitter user, anything would info worse. By the way, look at this. It's like 15 accounts. They took down a source permanent. No, he's not.

Starting point is 00:47:55 He came back. It was temporary. He came back. Yeah. And you got a bunch of different names. By the way, James Woods was temporary band a few times. It's not just one study went through it. And then you lead to Trump. And then now you got, you know, Katie Hopkins,

Starting point is 00:48:09 that is permanently banned. That if you guys know, Katie, Katie Hopkins is, canister zones a couple times. And recently was okay. Charlie Kirk temporary, David, Ike permanently. And you got Don Bangeino temporarily, Michael Flynn permanently, Sydney, Paul, Jim Watkins, Ron Watkins, all permanently. Do you think there is a trend of consistency or extreme thoughts? You know what? I'm going to just be a rational human being here for a couple of seconds. And I think it's consistent.

Starting point is 00:48:40 I think whenever you do something, you got to know what the rules are. And if you want to play with fire, you can get burned, okay? So I don't have a big problem with it. It's a huge platform. They're going to have to police it some way. And if there's people doing things that they shouldn't be doing, now you don't want just immediately, this is company policy. Anybody that thinks a certain way has no chance to proclaim their voice on our platform.

Starting point is 00:49:02 You don't want that obviously. But from what you just read, it seems like they've done something to probably deserve it. Yeah. I thought we were going to be a list of conservative names. I didn't think it was A. You're going to go back this far to Courtney loves of the world. I just want to big time rapper Tallye Pqually. I saw him on the list a few times permanent band. I thought this was going to be a list of right leaning conservative

Starting point is 00:49:25 voices. Oh, there's silence in the right. They don't want to hear the truth. I thought that's where this is going. But in actuality, they just want truth and not misinformation. I don't think it's truth. I don't think it's truth because you have to be careful when you say truth. Is it your truth, my truth? Some things as opinions. They don't want blatant lies or manufactured stories. Oh, then you would take 30% of your guys out. I mean, if it's blatant lies, you could take 30% of the guys out.

Starting point is 00:49:53 I think what they're looking for is insinuating or trying to create fights or getting. Get excitement. Yeah, that's what you got to be careful with, you know. And as some of them is definition of care, you go after somebody too hard, you know, hey, what are you doing? Like, you can't do this. You just can't do things like that.

Starting point is 00:50:14 But yeah, I mean, I don't know. Look, there's a community that says they're absolutely targeting. And there's a community that says they're not targeting. If you look at the list of names that you're looking at here, I think there's a level of consistency. And what's going on here? We're Twitter. So it's not political.

Starting point is 00:50:30 It's just guidelines, whether you're left, right? I don't know about permanently banning a president is the right thing to do. I don't know if permanently banning a president. You know what I would have done? Here's what I would have done. Look, you, like, for example, we have guys that sell insurance and insurance you advance, right?

Starting point is 00:50:48 Meaning I give you 100% advance, okay? You get a $200 mon policy. Typically insurance companies will advance you six months, nine months, 10 months, 12 months. So if I do $200 mon, $2,400, says the target premium, I give you $2,400 up front. You're at 50%, you make $1,200. Okay, that's insurance.

Starting point is 00:51:06 That's how it allows insurance guys to stick around because they're making money upfront. But if your quality of business sucks, we take that away. So you're getting $200 check from a client and we only pay you as earns, which means what? You cut a $200 check, you get 50% of what? That $200, which is what?

Starting point is 00:51:23 $100. You'll get the other $200 next month and it goes as earned. I would have done 100% of your tweets have to go through screening process approved goes out for six to 12 months until we feel confident and then we'll take it down. That's what I would have done. I wouldn't have gone full out the direction that went and guess what? If 100 percent and some people say well We don't have that kind of staff. It's one person They do this with it's a president. You make an exception you make one person's job is to sit there with a committee of four other people Two of them are conservative two of them are liberals one of them is independent

Starting point is 00:51:57 It's I would do it two liberal two conservative one independent hash it out This one can't go up. This word needs to change and you have an approval process. Are you comfortable changing this word or this tweet can not go out? The Trump did tweet a lot though. That'd be a lot of tweets to look at. But you got five employees that handle one account as the president. It's not a big deal. It's five times a hundred grand. Half a month. There's a lot of people that wish that Trump had some sort of vetting process in his four years of freedom of change. Look, I think the smart enough to his tweets. I think the smart move for Twitter say it's six months ban, then you can try to come back.

Starting point is 00:52:29 And if you misstep, you're gone for good because look at the publicity that they'd get in six months. Everybody's waiting for that first tweet. What's he going to say? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's many ways you could have done it. They had their own reasons.

Starting point is 00:52:39 They did what they did. So, okay, parlor is back. Okay. Parlor announces it's back online with new hosting service after a month of being offline, the social media platform, parlor, relaunch on Monday the company announced that the site was up and running with a Tea Party co-founder serving as interim CEO, Mark Mechler, and attorney, political activist, the founder of Tea Party Patries, replace former CEO and co-founder John Madsay, who was fired by the company's board earlier this month.

Starting point is 00:53:03 Parlor, which has more than 20 million users, was first launched in August of 2018, is currently back online for users. And we'll be available for new users starting next week, according to a publicity available, whose data the domain is registered with Epic, which also hosts GAB, another far-right social media platform. Last month, Amazon Web Services decided

Starting point is 00:53:22 to suspend the upstairs social media platform to fill and moderate. Agreegious, Apple and Google have previously suspended Parler from its app stores. media platform last month, Amazon Web Services decided to suspend the upstairs social media platform to fill and moderate. Agreeges, Apple and Google have three previously suspended parlor from its app stores. Early this month, parlor's open. Okay, so thoughts on this move taking place. I'm not into the extreme movement on either side, so they don't interest me. I'm not interested in parlor.

Starting point is 00:53:37 If that company had a brand like what they're perceived as as maybe someone that's objective and looking at it. So you mean to tell me for a guy that's as active on social media as you are. Like you use a 24 seven, you're not on par, parlor yet. Like I said, I'm going to approach this as a rational human being. Let me get back to my point about their profile to Shay. Um, parlor, I look at them, if you were to describe them, they're weak. They're, they're a sad story, tough luck.

Starting point is 00:54:02 You know, they're, they're XCEO is going on the rounds complaining about getting fired. You're going to have X amount of people that are going to want this where they can only speak their views. And the only people listening to them are the exact same people. It just should be called clone dot clone dot com or something. I'm just not into it. I don't think they're ever going to be anything that's a huge factor. And especially right now when the Republicans don't have as much say nationally,

Starting point is 00:54:26 I just think they're not that relevant. And in the fact that they're trying again is great because they were big in the news a little while ago. And that's good. I guess that they found a place that they can actually live on some platform. But I'm, I just don't look at them is this is a little burst in the news. We won't, we won't be talking about them in two weeks. Question for you. 20 million users. What percentage are mega. I'm going to say far right people are 85% okay. Got would you agree with that? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:50 I mean more maybe I don't know who in here is on parlor. Anybody on par or your own parlor? I set up an account for my ever posted anything. Okay. Have we ever posted anything? I didn't even know we had a set up an account of you just did it to protect the name. So nobody comes and takes. Okay. Yeah. I've never we've never posted anything. Have we ever posted anything? I didn't even know we had a set up on account. You just did it to protect the name so nobody comes and takes, okay, yeah, I've never we've never posted anything. You're not you know, not at all, not on parlor. Sam maybe. No, okay, got it. So 85% conservative. Who said that? He's guessing. You know what, can you research to see what

Starting point is 00:55:22 percentage of parlor are mega? It's probably more than that. But go ahead. So your thoughts on what's just a couple different things here because this is a pretty, you know, winding story. Number one, for sure, you were active on them. No, surprisingly, let me, let me, let me the shock you. Let's start with Tom. I, I could use Tom as sort of like a barometer for like how far right is this, how center is this? Because if we've learned anything from Tom, Tom is center right. Obviously big Trump advocate, you were, you know, 33%. You were thought he'd still be president.

Starting point is 00:55:57 You know, I'm just quote new, bro. Yeah, but just quote you, bro. Point is, Tom, but he also has, you know, common sense and sensibility. And he's from the Midwest and he's got, you know, that Minnesota nice vibe going on. So if it's too far right for Tom, that signals to me. All right, this thing's going a little right here.

Starting point is 00:56:15 At the same token, something, and we've said many times here, the riches are in the niches. This is like the Fox News or the OAN for social media. So if you want to kind of be in a far right echo chamber and only hear things you agree with, go hang out on parlor because there's gonna just, you know,

Starting point is 00:56:35 they're gonna be stirring the pot of everything that you already believe. They're not gonna tell you anything that you don't want to hear. So another thing that we talked about was who they're gonna kind of bring in to be the CEO to make friends with the big tech of the world. I don't know if this guy, Mark Meckler, who is the founder of the Tea Party Patriots, is going to be the guy to kind of lead them into

Starting point is 00:57:00 the promised land. So something that Pat always asks is, who do you want to be? Who do you want to be? Do you want to be a mega social media platform, like a Twitter, like a Facebook, like an Instagram that has all types of voices and debates and a lot of different opinions going on? Or do you only want to be a far right echo chamber? Who do you want to be? If the answer is, want the maggot crowd and we just want to maggot it up all day, then you have your answer. If you want to be bigger, then go, go a little broader. Yeah. You know what? I said that there'll be irrelevant in two weeks. Let me, let me rehash that. I think there'll be irrelevant in one week because when you go out and you

Starting point is 00:57:41 hire as the CEO, the former leader of the tea party, are you kidding me? That'd be like the Facebook board kicking out Zuckerberg and bringing in the founder of my space. I mean, it's the what the tea party. I mean, they don't exist. That's exactly the direction I was about to go. Okay. So we're time just went right now.

Starting point is 00:58:00 It's exactly the, by the way, if why I went, was it fair to say when Tom started, he was further right than Thomas today? Can we all recognize this guy? Is that okay? And is it fair to say that when you first started, you were further left than you are today? Would you agree with that? Yeah, a little bit.

Starting point is 00:58:15 Like don't say a little bit. A little bit. When you first came, you were way, way different than art. I had to put down my auntie for outfit and then join the podcast. By the way, if you see a trend here This podcast what it does is it brings us more center and a little bit more to be able to reason and see arguments

Starting point is 00:58:32 Okay, I mean that's that's the outcome if you think what's going on would be coming a little bit more reasonable You hear that folks. So so you said something you said I don't even give them two weeks. I give them a week How do you bring the former leader of tea party? Etc. It cetera? Okay. So when they fired a board, were you on it? Or was it somebody else when we talked? Who was it here? Who was it? It was just me and you.

Starting point is 00:58:51 Okay. When they fired the CEO of Parlor, okay. It was like 32 years old. They fired him. Yeah. So at that time, I said, okay, we're going to find out. We're going to find out in the next few weeks whether the board is smart or the CEO smart because that was really outside.

Starting point is 00:59:05 We're gonna find out. So I thought the board was gonna go get a center CEO to show the AWS services, look, we're the board, we're just the money guys. We are willing to go this direction, but they came back and they double down and their true belief system, which is what? No, we're gonna bring a tea party.

Starting point is 00:59:25 We're even gonna go further right in here's what we're gonna do. Guess what? You have a choice to do that, but so do they, okay? They also have a choice to say, no, we're not doing that. Let me explain why. Let me explain. Let me go a little bit deeper. Is parlor a nonprofit?

Starting point is 00:59:40 No. Is it a charity? No. Is it a 501 seat? Is it a 501 seat? Okay. So when Facebook got started, was there outcome to drive more socialistic philosophies? No, when Facebook got started, what was the idea? It was called the face book. They want to read hot chicks in your college. One of the Facebook was the name of Harvard's your book. That's what's called the Facebook. So when you

Starting point is 01:00:03 go to Harvard, their yearbook is called the Facebook. So originally it was called the Facebook and it went through the what they did and their main focus was what? Going through Ivy League students. So they went to different Ivy leagues. Then they opened it up to universities and after universities opened up to who? The world. It wasn't a political legend. It was just, hey, here's what we are. My space, same thing, Twitter, same thing. You go through all these. This is started politically. So this is specifically politically.

Starting point is 01:00:30 So here's my question. Do you think a socialist would even think about getting on parlor? I don't know. Do you think? Not unless they're looking for a fight. If they're looking for fight a different story. But do you think someone's like,

Starting point is 01:00:41 let me go under because there's a lot of audience that's gonna be willing to share my content. No, you're not going to have that. So, you know, I was, I was hoping the board would, and by the way, they have some smart people part of parlor. They don't have dummies on parlor. These are smart, intelligent people that have done pretty well for themselves. But to go this route, I thought this was a second chance. I don't know what's gonna happen with the part of moving forward. I actually, I actually think that they're, I actually disagree with Tom on the one week two thing, two week thing. I'll tell you why.

Starting point is 01:01:13 They're carving their niche, man. Like I said before, the riches are in the niches. They said, we can't compete with the Instagram, with the Snapchat, with the TikTok, with the Twitter. Like, we're here for the right leaning people. That is why we exist. We have political commentary. That is our brand.

Starting point is 01:01:29 That is our vibe. Run with it. If we need to go find a different Amazon web services, go with it. Now me personally, I'm not hanging out on parlor. I'm not advocating parlor, but I understand the methodology that they're going. I mean, it shows it here, like they're like, no, you're going to ban us. We're going to go bring a conservative tea party guy and we're going to go further. I get that. But that's who they're going. I mean, it shows it here. Like they're like, no, you're going to ban us. We're going to go bring a conservative tea party guy. And we're going to go further. I get that. But that's the, that's who they want. I get that. But you have

Starting point is 01:01:50 to realize it's okay. So maybe let me give you a different. Okay. So let's, let's show it this way. Okay. This is the Silicon Valley mafia. Okay. This is your belief system. Okay. Of where you are, right? You are far away from each other. They don't like you, you don't like them. You think they're bullying you and silencing you, you think they're idiot, socialist, whatever you wanna call them. There needs to be a mediator, okay? The mediator is the CEO that reports earnings,

Starting point is 01:02:19 reports what's going on, communicates with these guys, gives them a little piece of mind and at the same time, guys, I'm gonna execute and grow the company. If you get a CEO here, fine, I get it. But you go and get a far right, like I don't understand. And from a CEO standpoint, but he does CEO has to be able,

Starting point is 01:02:37 like I have to be able to work both with the field and protect them, but I have to work with the carriers for carriers to know I'm responsible, but I have to work with the carriers for carriers to know I'm responsible, and I have to work with my investors, and I have to work with my employees. If can you imagine if it's just like, no, nobody at the field knows what the hell they're doing.

Starting point is 01:02:55 No, carriers are dumb, and no, home office. I just don't understand the logic behind that. I don't get it. I'll make one more point here. I look at parlor as an app and a social media platform that was created from emotion, right? We want to have our own, our own place we can go. And I think what this is showing you that these guys over here that are social media mafia, they will control what's where you're allowed to even put that up.

Starting point is 01:03:20 I mean, there are so many obstacles for you if you want to do it for that. And think about any successful Silicon Valley company. I mean, they're there to make money. These guys are so many obstacles for you if you want to do it for that. And think about any successful Silicon Valley company. I mean, they're there to make money. These guys are so smart. They graduated from Harvard, Stanford. I mean, these are the brilliant, most brilliant people on the planet in some areas. These guys aren't out to make money. They're just like you said, an echo chamber.

Starting point is 01:03:39 I think they're not even, it's not a good business model. I think they'll be out of business in less than a year. What's different between, and I don't know, from a CEO standpoint, I mean, we can talk about what's different between what they're doing and what Fox News decided to do years ago. Everyone's on the left. CNN NBC, ABC, let's go right, baby. And we're going to control that audience.

Starting point is 01:04:02 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know what Roger Eels and, and, and, and those types of, what's the difference between these guys and those? and we're going to control that audience. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and the secure, you cannot say, I don't care about the new regulation, I disagree because here's what I'm gonna be doing. You know, no, no, it's a different climate. Today, it's fair to say the biggest web services is controlled by who? Bezos. Listen, I don't care how much you dislike the guy.

Starting point is 01:04:40 You have to go through AWS, okay? If you say, you know, I don't care what they're gonna do. We're gonna put our apps on you know a Metro PCS dude no one uses a Metro PCS you need to be on Apple and droid. I don't care what anybody else says you know, we're gonna no no You have to be wiser about your moves. Let me give you a proposal if I was sitting on the board Yeah, if I'm on the parlors board. Here's what I would have said guys. We have to go win the trust of who?

Starting point is 01:05:10 Silicon. We have to win the trust of our users who 85% are what? Magger. All right. Far right. Fine. We have to go earn the trust of the regulators who are Silicon Valley. We have to win AWS. We have to win Apple. we have to win Apple,

Starting point is 01:05:25 we have to win a droid. Here's what we're doing. We're gonna go out there and say, after extreme investigation, okay, we hire teams to come and investigate everything. We have deleted 117,000 tweets and we have suspended, you know, not tweets, messages, and we have suspended,

Starting point is 01:05:43 1943, you know, messages, and we have suspended, 1943 users on parlor who use the following things and we have them. They've been permanently banned. Okay. You come out and say, we're responsible. Look, when early stages, when I'm running the insurance company, and we had a certain people that had bad quality business, I publicly went and told carriers. Here's why I terminated. Here's who lost contract with us. So then I went to the field because they have to not go to MAGA

Starting point is 01:06:13 and they're going to say, you guys have been, you flip, this is all about money for you. You don't care about the message. You're not about freedom. You don't care about Trump. You don't care about this when Trump was doing it. So you could lose your wallet. You have to go to them and say, guys, listen, moving forward,

Starting point is 01:06:29 we just can't do this kind of stuff. This behavior, I don't care who it is. If it's my own family, I have to make a decision and take a stand. We're building a company. And do we want this company to be in business or to be out of business? We want to be in business.

Starting point is 01:06:41 The following criteria we cannot do, if it happens, we have to terminate you. We're making it very clear. This is how it's going to work out. If you do this, if you do this, if you do this, freedom of speech doesn't mean I can go out there and say anything I want. I'm going to take this person out. Let's go.

Starting point is 01:06:55 There's levels to freedom of speech. Now, opinion, fine. Insighting, you crossed the line. So I think if they took that plan and said, hey, very simple PowerPoint presentation, here's what the board has done the last four weeks since Parla was taking that to show responsibility to the marketplace. One this, two this, three this, five points

Starting point is 01:07:14 we're gonna talk about today. Then let the market say, oh wow, and we brought the CEO and we have co-seos. We have this CEO from this side, we have this CEO from this side. There is ways for these guys to say, let's give them a second chance. And then you go from there. I think they missed a mark. Yeah. I'm going to make a prediction and a point here. The prediction is they will 100% be out

Starting point is 01:07:34 of business within a year. They will no longer be around. There is no parlor within 12 months. I guarantee I feel so confident that if they are still in business in one year, I'm buying everyone in this office a muffin and two, two, two muffins for the muffin beef. She gets to because I know she loves the muffins. I don't know. I was sleeping over there. That's your, it's got a business. It's not a business. It has. Well, she is. Here's why. And I'm going to tell you why right now because Trump's extreme followers aren't as loyal as you think they are. They're loyal when he's in the news, when he's on Twitter and he's the raw raw guy and you can rally behind him and he's speaking for you. Now he's at Mar-a-Lago. Now he's silent. Now you don't hear from him. It's not his,

Starting point is 01:08:14 he's not like some radical Lenin or Stalin or somebody that gets a following, this cult like following. He was there because he was loud. He was saying what people wanted to hear. He knew exactly how to push the buttons of all these people. If he's not relevant politically, there's no MAGA. They're just isn't. They don't care that much. They want their country to be great, but they're not supporting that one figure, which is what he was. Parler has no chance. None. Wow. I don't. I'd love to see Tom's prediction. Let's circle back in a year and I hope I get a muffin. By the way, I want to read a comment here.

Starting point is 01:08:49 So this person said, I think there's a business venture in Patrick is just adjusting direction according to the new political reality, right? And a couple of other people are saying that, you know, Tom is caving and there's a person, all this other stuff that they say in here, right? That we're looking at. Okay, fine.

Starting point is 01:09:04 No problem. No problem. No problem. Here's what people have to realize. What's going on today? We've been publicly supportive of both Trump. We've been publicly supportive of Biden and areas. We've been publicly supportive and not supportive of Trump or Biden. We have voted, we voted for left, we voted for right. I have voted for both sides politically.

Starting point is 01:09:29 I think when you forget, like I run a company with people on the left, people on the right, people in the middle, people in the middle, Christian, Muslim, it doesn't matter. We have people from all walks of life in a company. When you no longer want to hear what the other side has to say, you have a big problem. Okay, you have a big problem. Okay.

Starting point is 01:09:45 You have a big problem. By the way, as much as we talk about these Twitter suspensions that we're talking about, if it becomes being handed out left and right freely, that's your plan with fire right. And when you say, like the James O'Keefe thing where they took the guy down, but then you saw what he said. If you do this, you get your count back and what did he say? I'm back. Is it fair to say that here's Project Veritas.

Starting point is 01:10:07 He shows videos of Jack Dorsey. He throws Jack Dorsey under the bus and Dorsey still lets them stay on. I don't know about that. I don't know if you guys are on someone I'm saying or not. So he puts videos of Dorsey and puts videos of executives of Twitter talking about their political agenda and Twitter still keeps them on. Why do you keep that happening?

Starting point is 01:10:29 That just happened. What are you doing keeping them on? So you understand what I'm going with this? Absolutely. They're not going to just boot you from. What I'm trying to say is if you keep there, there is a very annoying aspect of what project he is very annoying to people in the left and Silicon Valley. Very annoying because it's calling all them out.

Starting point is 01:10:45 He pokes the bear and you let that guy stay on. Yeah. Yeah. So so there has to be a thing they let him stay on. What because he hasn't maybe broken the guidelines yet and they've given him opportunities to come back to delete this tweet or do this and do that and the great. They're I respect that. So what I'm saying to you is I also respect that. So the great. I respect that. So what I'm saying to you is I also respect that. So the challenge happens when the far right folks don't have the ability to reason and the challenge happens when far left folks don't have the ability to reason. If you can't do that, just go to place where everybody agrees with you because this ain't the place. Well, the podcast ain't the place that you're going to agree with everything we talk about. This is not the podcast for you. Go to a complete different place than here. No, back to your point of what we're doing here.

Starting point is 01:11:27 How Tom was a little further right. I was a further left. We're bringing it together. You have things that, you know, you're more left on, more right on capitalism, social issues. You know, something that I think as a country, we need to do better than is Blink at statements if you voted for Trump than you're a racist. Yeah, I'll never speak to you again If you voted for Biden that you're clearly a communist you're a socialist. I know what you are your auntie for if you voted for Trump Clearly you hate anyone that's different like dude relax Trump's a Nazi dude. What are you talking about? It's so freaking extreme. The ability to reason, the ability to have a conversation, let's say, Tom, I disagree

Starting point is 01:12:11 with this, this, this, this. But I hear you on this, this, and this. Can we agree that? Well, Pat, you set like everything that you said is exactly the reason why we do this podcast. We want to have different voices coming together and finding some commonality here. And that's a problem in this country is the, the, the complete just, well, you this, so you this, it's, it's messed up. And I think that that needs to be. Yeah. Look, I'm here because of the idea of America, which is what freedom of speech, pro, second amendment, pro, just look at my safe. You, you, you can go down the list of stuff that America offers you right free enterprise all in freedom of assembly all day long Go down freedom of religion. What do you want to be go be at it? You want to be Christian?

Starting point is 01:12:56 Jehovah seven day. Go go for it all of those things is why many immigrants like myself are in America happily in America I'm gonna do my part to fight to make sure those things stay in place. Having said that, you are absolutely naive. If you don't realize how much influence social media Silicon Valley have, and by the way, to everybody on the right that complains about it, do something about it. Parlor is not the way to go, by the way. Parlor, you ain't, look, there's a saying that in business,

Starting point is 01:13:30 you say, bring him in first, baptize him later, okay? Too many people want to baptize before they bring him into the church. I don't know if that's saying make sense. Let me explain to what I mean by that. So for example, I go to bike shop the other day. You know, I wanna buy something. I'm gonna spend a few hundred dollars.

Starting point is 01:13:49 Let's send $1,000. So I say, put your mask on. I said, I forgot my mask at the house. I said, you guys got one of these blue masks? No, we don't have the mask. Go get it yourself. Well, so I'm like, this is, and I, so I'm like, okay. So I go back, I get the mask, I come back,

Starting point is 01:14:03 and I'm thinking to myself, the mask I went on Amazon, you can buy $149, you can buy 2,000 masks, ends up becoming $0.7 a pop, for a mask, okay. Your $0.7 just cost you $500, that $500 profit margin to you is typically 40%. On the 40%, you can end up keeping you know 20% say $100 you wouldn't net it because you got to pay them probably sales rent all this up

Starting point is 01:14:30 You just seven cents under you tell me which Bitcoin which stock that you spend seven cents gives you $100 not one investment is gonna give you that right? Okay So let's just say you are anti-mask. Let's just say you say this is stupid. Nobody should be wearing a mask. Yeah, we're such followers and sheep's. Okay, say you believe that.

Starting point is 01:14:54 Fine. Is it worth you not having a box of masks there to allow a liberal who wears four masks to come in? That spends a thousand thousand do you care politically where a person is if they're going to do business with you. No, that's called capitalism. If you only want to do business with Republicans, that's your business model fine. If you only want to do business with Democrats fine, when a.o.c. put her sweater up said

Starting point is 01:15:20 what tax the rich for 68 bucks, Kevin O'Leary rebought it. And Kevin O'Leary said, look, even an even a socialist eventually becomes a capitalist. He did a video and says, Hey, a AOC, why don't you contact me out love for us to start a business together. I'd invested these sweaters here. Let's do something together as a capitalist. He's taking a shot at her. But even an AOC understands she's willing to sell that sweater to a Republican. She's willing to sell that sweater to anybody,. She's willing to sell that sweater to anybody, right? Okay, so invite him first, baptize him later, right? Invite him to the church, baptize him later.

Starting point is 01:15:52 Sometimes if your platform is only one side, you're not gonna baptize and convert people. The name of the game is converting. The name of the game isn't talking to people who already agree with you. The name of the game is converting. The name of the game isn't talking to people who already agree with you. The name of the game is to convert people. Any platform or leader that converts, that's a leader. Any leader or platform that's just talking

Starting point is 01:16:14 to the same audience that's agreeing with you, you ain't making any kind of a change, by the way. Everybody agrees with you. There's no influence being made. And honestly, to be honest, and take this even to a different level, you're actually copping out. You're actually weaker.

Starting point is 01:16:27 I don't know if this makes sense. So, okay, so for the Christian community, where did he go to want to baptize people? You read the Bible, where did he go? Where did Jesus go? Did he go to... Muslims, too. Did he go to where everybody agreed with them? You go to the best salesperson.

Starting point is 01:16:41 Where do you go? Do you just go and talk to your customers? I went to an office one time. You know, these companies that they do the trashes, they recycle. What do you go, do you just go and talk to your customers? I went to an office one time. You know these companies that they do the trashes, they recycle, what do you call those companies? Something. What is the name of it? There's a name of it.

Starting point is 01:16:52 No, it's actually a big, it's a multi-billion out of company that recycles papers. We have them ourselves. I don't know the company. We have a big contract with them. Anyways, so I go into the office and the vice president of that office invites me in and I'm speaking to their guys and can you talk to my sales because I'm trying to figure

Starting point is 01:17:09 out who to improve my sales guys. That's a great. So I sit up and I say, okay, out of your calls that you have any calls you make per week, they give me the number. I said, how many didn't order to existing customers? How many are to new customers? Oh, 95%. I'm like, okay, 95% to new customers, right?

Starting point is 01:17:23 Oh, no, no, no, no. 95% to existing customers. I said, there's your problem. I said, we don't even need to go anywhere else. Speech over. I said, how long have you been in sales? 20 years, how long have you been here? 15 years.

Starting point is 01:17:33 How long have you guys been flat in this office? About nine years, we don't call it flat. We just say call it consistent. I said, I'm sorry, I call it flat in the world of business. You either grown or you're done. You guys are done. Just everybody knows this. I said, how come you guys don't knock on doors

Starting point is 01:17:46 or go talk to businesses that are not customers of yours? You ain't grown your business. You're just rehashing the same exact customers. And by the way, you're eventually gonna lose customers to somebody else. That's not bring a man, baptize him later. I'm in the game of converting. I'm in the game of getting people who are not believers of business to say, babe, maybe

Starting point is 01:18:07 we start a business part time. I'm in the game of getting people to say, you know, like yesterday, Gray came in here. He said the most interesting thing, the guy that we wrote a book together with phenomenal thing. He got emotional. He had a very special moment. He says, you know what's crazy, Pat? I said, what's that?

Starting point is 01:18:23 He says, you know what was the toughest thing about writing this book with you? Because he's my writer. He wrote the book. We're not co-authors. He's a writer. He wrote, so rather than getting a ghost writer, and so I wrote this book. I don't write this book. We wrote it together, but he's my writer, right? Okay. He says, because he saw me, I intentionally, I said, before you write this book, you have to see me at the best and my worst. He says, what do you mean as I want you to be in my board meetings and see how I react? I mean? I want you to be in my board meetings and see how I react. I said, I want you to see me in sales meetings and see how I react.

Starting point is 01:18:47 He says, you can go in the most exclusive meetings that nobody else has invited. Then you can write the book. So he saw me everywhere. He saw me with me with Kobe, with Bush, with back end. I'm upset, things are not working out. I'm in my suite. At the end, he's everywhere seeing me

Starting point is 01:19:03 at my best worst, ticked off, losing it. This didn't work out. Just lost couple hundred. He's everywhere seeing me at my best worst ticked off losing it. This didn't work out. Just lost couple hundred. He's seen everything, right? I said, now you can write the book. Then we write the book together. You know what he said yesterday was so moving. He says, Pat, you know, I'm the professor.

Starting point is 01:19:18 I'm the guy that's the consultant. I'm the one that tells people what to do. He says, the hardest thing about writing the book with you is you forced me to get into the arena. He said, I have not been in the arena for 15, 20 years. See, that to me is winning because I converted someone to get into the arena. You win when you convert. You don't win when you're talking to the same people.

Starting point is 01:19:39 And did you see? These guys don't care about us. You are not winning. You win when you convert. The left one because they convert it. The right lost because they stopped converting and paying attention to the people who are younger in social media.

Starting point is 01:19:53 You lost. That's a strategic loss. What did I vote for? You think I'm voting to raise the taxes? No. You think I'm voting for, I got an email yesterday for my friends at Goldman Sachs. There's a very high likelihood taxer going up. I've known this.

Starting point is 01:20:07 You think we voted for that? We want to put the money back into the business. No, we don't vote for raising taxes. We don't vote for, you know, hey, let's go pay off everyone's college. We don't vote for that stuff. We vote for free enterprise, free market. I don't care who the person is. I don't even want to see the face of Trump on Biden. Give me your policies. I'll tell you who I'm voting for. That's who we vote for. Then it didn't work out. Why didn't it work out? It's strategy. So there is a very, very big misconception and a mindset. By the way, Christians, I want to spoke to a group of pastors in Newport Beach and they invite me. Can you come and talk to these pastors? I said, hey, why has donations have gone down?

Starting point is 01:20:48 Not to your church, to Christian churches. Why are Christian churches so empty? Why is it? Well, it's because the new generation, you know, they just don't want to tie it and they don't understand that the Bible, ah, no, no, no, no, no, don't get technical. Don't blame the new generation

Starting point is 01:21:04 because you walked up two hills when you're going to school and it was snowing, you know, all those stories that we always hear about. Why has it? Well, you know, all these things I heard, I said, can I tell you the truth? What? I said, Mormon church is killing it.

Starting point is 01:21:17 Same generation. Why is Mormonism killing it? I said, you ever gone to Mormon's YouTube channel? Can you go to LDS's YouTube channel? No. I pulled it. I said, let's go to, I said, no, no, no, I said, you ever gone to Mormons YouTube channel? Can you go to LDS's YouTube channel? No, I pulled it out. I said, let's go to, I said, no, no, no, listen, I'm not telling you go become a Mormon. I'm telling you, during the same time

Starting point is 01:21:32 that you're losing members and donators, Mormonism's killing it. How many subscribers does LDS have? Just type in LDS and go to channel. 1.63 million subscribers, a religion LDS has 1.63, you go look at the LDS church. Why have they? They have a system, they're young, look at their videos, go to a sort by, go to a sort by on the top right.

Starting point is 01:21:56 Look at it. 14 million view. Okay, 12 million view, 9.5 million. I'm a child of God. I'm okay. How can Christians or churches or not grown out of? I go to a church in Dallas. I'm not going to say the name. I go to a child of God. I'm like, okay, how can Christians or churches are not grown at times? I go to a church in Dallas. I'm not gonna say the name.

Starting point is 01:22:08 I go to a church in Dallas. It's a big church. Fits 5,000 people. 600 people are there. 75 year old pastor is preaching. It's time to be a mentor. Let a young guy come in and do it. You preach maybe once a month.

Starting point is 01:22:21 But no, still have to have control. So again, but you're not converting Mr. Pastor. But I know everything about the Bible, and it doesn't matter. The idea of Christianity is to go disciple. It's the cost of disciples. When you become a Christian, the first book they ask you to read

Starting point is 01:22:36 is the cost of discipleship, depending on what church you go to. Cost of discipleship is what? What happens to be a disciple? Because the whole idea becoming a Christian is to what to convert. The idea of business is whole idea becoming a Christian is to convert. The idea of business is to convert to somebody to say, I believe in your Steve Jobs,

Starting point is 01:22:49 let's go change the world. I believe in you Elon Musk. Let's go change the world. Don't ask any question. Just get on the damn what? The jet, the plane. Don't question anything. Let's just go, right?

Starting point is 01:22:59 Okay. People have forgotten that politics, business, religion, family. anything you look at is all about converting. And whoever's converting is winning. And whoever just wants to talk to people that agree with them, you are not losing. You're going to get your ass handed to you in ways you've never been handed to before. And the separation of the competitor is not going to be small.

Starting point is 01:23:26 It's going to be a wide, wide, distant separation between you and your competitors. And it's not going to be pretty. That's what's going on today with politics. Yeah. Very interesting. By the way, were they happy? They invited you over at the waste management place to give that speech? Did they thank you? Did they pay you? They never, see this this thing with me because I don't need the money. Like I'm not a motivational speaker. I go there because I like problems. I like to see what can we do. I never got invited back.

Starting point is 01:23:48 You know what happened to them? The main guy got fired. Yeah. The main guy that's sitting there quietly behind closed doors. Nobody knows who he is making 200 grand. You get fired. You know, extremism to me is just so unattractive these days. We've dealt with it to such a degree through that political cycle and through last fall and

Starting point is 01:24:06 everything. People need a break from it. It's not working. It's not great. It's not good for this country. I'll give you an example. Last night, I put Jimmy Kimwon or no, Jimmy Fallon on for five minutes just to see, I wanted to just get engaged.

Starting point is 01:24:17 What are talk shows like? I never watch them, you know, because they be games so political. I mean, Steven Colbert is literally a political show. And I turned it on and it was a repeat from right before the Super Bowl. And him and Quest love and one of his other roots band members were doing a contest to see you could make the best dip for the Super Bowl. It was a hilarious bit. And I'm going, this is so refreshing. I mean, this is just these guys. They're in the studio, right? There's not he hints of small audience, but they're clapping. People want to get away from the extremism. That's what I said. I don't think these hardcore mega followers are

Starting point is 01:24:49 going to be there for a parlor because there's no one there that's leading them and that they're just blindly following because he's saying what you want to hear. I don't agree with that. That I don't agree with. I think I think a mega crowd is mega crowd. I don't think they're going, Trump yesterday for president's day just got out to spend some time with people here in a, in a Mar-a-Logu. He drove around and people are going crazy here and, but that's because it's him. He was out there. They're not out there just.

Starting point is 01:25:17 I get that. What I, what I'm, what I'm saying with this is, you know, what I'm saying with this is, Trump. Okay. So my message isn't directed to Maga people. It's not. My message isn't with this is Trump. Okay. So my message isn't directed to mega people. It's not. My message isn't even directed to Trump. My message is you had a candidate like Trump.

Starting point is 01:25:32 He pushed the envelope. Yes, the Twitter stuff out of control. Should have been controlled. Look at Biden. It's so quiet. Nothing's going on. You said something. He said it's so much.

Starting point is 01:25:42 Peace or climate today, right? Okay. But the mega crowd had somebody to buy into. Okay. What did Trump do? Trump went and converted people. Trump converted people. You have to know that Trump is a converter.

Starting point is 01:25:54 In 2016, he did. Of course, in 20, I didn't say 20. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Trump is one of the greatest converters America's ever seen. Are you kidding me? Like they wanted like Trump's going to run out of the 16 people who's at the top. He's at the bottom. Jeb Bush was at the top with 140 million dollars. Even Huckabee was ahead of Trump. Carson was ahead of Trump. And anybody that can get you to vote for Obama twice and then vote for Trump, you're

Starting point is 01:26:15 converting your, your converter, your converter. However, however, they realized that they didn't have the right allies and number two, they realized the Republican Party didn't have the right tools like the left does. The left controls all the tools. They didn't have all the tools. This isn't about that the mega crowds going to go away. 50 years from now, we're going to watch a movie for still alive. I'm going to be 92.

Starting point is 01:26:41 We're still be alive because 50 years from now, we're still going to be alive. Apparently we're going to live on 10. So 50 20 years from now, 30 years from when we go to movies and we watch the movie of what happened the last four or five, six years with Trump, you're going to be like, I cannot believe I lived through that. So what you're going to say, yeah, I cannot live through that. But he is still going to have loyal followers, 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now. This is not going away. If I sat down with Trump and I did an interview,

Starting point is 01:27:09 it'd be a very different kind of interview. Very, very different kind of interview. Very, it'd be a very different kind of interview because, you know, my opinion, he's at a point right now that's a very challenge and place to be, okay? Because when you do case studies, what's the benefit of reading case studies? When you go to MBA school, what is the only benefit going to MBA school?

Starting point is 01:27:29 You only learn mistakes. Yeah, you learn from other companies when you look at case studies. What is the best case study that Trump should study? What is the best case study that Trump should look at? What's the best case study? What what what family? What can it be? Okay. Okay. Kennedy. What is the case study of Kennedy's family? What family? I don't know. Okay. Okay. Kennedy. What is the case study of Kennedy's family? Well, you got the Joe, the guy that started it all, right?

Starting point is 01:27:51 Who was in politics, raising kids to follow him, and you know, change the country. Yeah. Telling his kids, hey, one of you guys is going to grow up and be a president. Which ones are going to be? Where is Sue that dinner? Look, he's mentally getting his kids to be prepared to be a president, right?

Starting point is 01:28:04 And essentially, they were supposed to be presidents for 16 years. Then the kids would have been presidents. That's the direction I was going. So then what happened? Who became the sacrificial guy? Well, JFK got us out. What happened to the entire Kennedy family? So to Trump right now, if he's a true believer and comes back in, you know, so, so, to Trump right now, if he want, if he's a true believer in comes back in, you know,

Starting point is 01:28:26 says, I'm going to come back in 2024 and does what he says he wants to do. If he does that, the same thing that happened to Kennedy's family could potentially happen to the Trump family. Okay, they're going to go after his business, they're going to have, he's going to be in court between now and 2024. He got acquitted, which means he can run again in 2023. Jack Dorsi said, I don't care what happens. I'm not letting him back on Twitter, no matter what happens, right? So he's still going to have a different platform to be able to post stuff on. You're not going to go on parlor and be able to do much because parlor's going to be all on one side.

Starting point is 01:28:54 You need neutral platforms to convert because Trump is the ultimate converter. Agree or disagree. Trump's a master converter. The guy went from being who he was to being a billionaire, to being on TV, to being all that stuff, to being a president. You say, wait, you became a TV guy? Yes. What you, you, you, you went from your dad was doing rentals on the other side. You want to become, yeah, the Trump name is everywhere. Yeah. You wrote books, ball, Wall Street, bestseller, news street, yes. You became a president, yes. You got, what are you talking?

Starting point is 01:29:26 So he's at a point right now that do I just lay low to make sure my family can at least have a peaceful life moving forward? Or do I say screwed guys? We may have a target from us from some of the most powerful people in the world that more powerful than us, but let's go save this country.

Starting point is 01:29:42 It's gonna be interesting though. But the mega audience is not going away. Here's why I disagree with your disagree. That's good. I'd love to hear it because Trump is a cult of personality. That's what he is. He's got that charisma where people would just follow him. If he's decides, I'm not going back into politics. It's not worth it. These people, the mega followers are going to feel betrayed. They're going to take it very personally. And they're not. There is no more mega then because they were there to follow Trump. And if he bails on there, they'll bail too. And you look at the people that have been arrested, you know, that stormed the Capitol, right? And remember, we were on the air the next day that happened

Starting point is 01:30:15 on a Wednesday. We did the podcast on a Thursday. And I said that day, I guarantee you, you know, they got about two weeks, half these people that got arrested are going to ask to get pardoned, right? And a lot of them did. But you know, you listen to them now and they all are saying, I thought I was being led to do this. I thought he was telling us. I mean, I think a lot of them feel betrayed. Like he's stepped away.

Starting point is 01:30:34 What percentage though? What percentage? I mean, what percentage of the 74 million fell, but okay. So first of all, you know the 74 million people that voted, what percentage voted because they didn't vote for Trump? They voted Republican. What would you say? You know, I'm going to say, what percentage voted because they didn't vote for Trump? They voted Republican. What would you say? You know, I'm going to say a lot, a big percentage.

Starting point is 01:30:48 Okay. I'm going to because I mean, that would be me. I mean, I was voting for the lower taxes and all those things. So what percentage of the 74 million voted Republican, not voted mega? Okay. I'm going to say, you know, 48, 50, 55% because I think a lot of the women, the suburban women that don't like Trump would still vote to the taxes. Kai, can you pull up the record of how many people vote Republicans every election? Like how many total votes?

Starting point is 01:31:12 What would you say, Adam? How many just vote Republican regardless of what you think? What percentage of the 74 million people that voted voted Republican, not voted Trump. They voted policies, not for Trump. 80%. Okay. So I, I, uh, uh, uh, uh, meaning their, uh, their voting Republican regardless. They're voting for his policies, but they're saying this guy's a little bit out of control on Twitter, but I have to vote for his policies because.

Starting point is 01:31:35 Still voting Republican. Okay. So 80%. So then that means out of the 74 million, the 100% die hard mega believers are what? Say 20%. What's 20% of 74 million, 15 million? At a 15 million people, how many of them do you believe are like, dude, you forced me to go to cap,

Starting point is 01:31:52 but that's what you did. What percentage of the 15 million do you think that is? Less than one percent. That's what I'm saying. I don't think that's the case. I think the case is that it's not 74 million mega. I think it's 15 million mega. I think it's very important to differentiate between those two. You're in someone I'm saying, it's not 74 million mega. I think it's 15 million mega. I think it's very important to differentiate between those two.

Starting point is 01:32:07 You know what I'm saying? It's not, so it's not like if we break down the map, are you mega? Like, did you, are you like diehard mega? No. Okay, but you're Republican. You voted that way, okay? So, but you're not like going around saying, you know, I'm, even though you said 33% if you podcast a go.

Starting point is 01:32:24 So to me, it's principles, it's mega. And then, you know, so I think it's a 20% market. And I don't think that 15 million is going away. I don't think that 15 million is going to go. Okay, if you look at it, I don't think MAGA is going anywhere. No, I don't think it's going away. And I don't think Trump is going anywhere either. I think he's such a...

Starting point is 01:32:41 You think he runs 2024? Oh, yeah, I do. You think that I'm like 2024? I do not. I do not think he's going to run again. I think he's such a you think he runs 2024. Oh, yeah, I do. You think I do. I do not think he's going to run again. He's such an ego maniac. No, he's going to run 2024. Okay. I actually do. You know what? I think he's coming back. I think it's going to be an ugly situation. Trump, if we've learned anything from Trump, he's not the type of person to be like, well, guys, we had a good shot. Thanks everybody. The day of the insurrection, the day that they were trying to hang Mike Pence, he was not calling in the military. He did nothing to stop that, nothing. So if we've learned anything from

Starting point is 01:33:15 Trump, he ain't backing down from anything. He's going to double triple, quadruple down. There's one thing I don't want to see. There's one thing I don't want to see. I don't want to see on the debate stage, Trump and Pence. I don't think that's good for America. I would love to see that. Yeah, I don't either. And here's the other thing. If Trump runs again, he destroys all his businesses and the legacy he built with the brand. I think it's done. And his kids are in series danger too. If he runs again, and I think he'll put his family above it. Well, why would he be in serious danger if he ran? Well, the brand is already extremely tarnished. If he gets in again, it'll be dissolved.

Starting point is 01:33:45 I mean, there's no one. I mean, outside that fringe element, but he built an empire. Here's a bigger question. I think he's going to run again in 2024 straight up. Does he run as a pen? I think he's running Republican Maga, not independent. No, that's my opinion. Does he have a shot in 2024, even if he's going against a Joe Biden, even a Kamala or even a,

Starting point is 01:34:07 I mean, a lot of that. It's so early to even tell because it's just, he's just been president for one month. Biden. So we don't know how the things are going to open up. If it opens up, say, say things open up and market, go, Dow goes to 40. Okay. If Dow goes to 40, market opens up. Biden's able to influence Powell to go

Starting point is 01:34:27 one more year at zero percent interest rate and we have this fake economy. And it gets real. I mean, it's going to be tough to, it's, you know, most people want to vote for the same president. Most people don't want to historically. We like two terms. We don't like one terms. Right. Okay. So you have to, you have to keep that part of mind as well. You've got to do pretty damn bad if you're gonna only go one term or it has to be a massive crisis like a COVID coming in with a world shutdown or a third party candidate like Ross Faroe and 92. How hurts George, but you're right.

Starting point is 01:34:55 So there has to be a, you know, a black, what did he call it? What's the black swan? It has to be some and this COVID is a black swan. Like, if there's no COVID, what's the percentage of Trump gets real? Yeah, I mean, so you have to realize COVID kind of threw them out. So I think if there's not, if the Dow's at 40, he extends the interest rates for one more percent, one more year, and it's pretty peaceful things have opened up restaurants everybody. So they're going, okay, let's just go one more year. Yeah, a long way to go. One month out of what? 48. Exactly. Yeah. We got something to your point. You brought up the situation where

Starting point is 01:35:27 the overall sentiment of the country feels a little more mellow now, less stress. You know, I threw it out there yesterday. Given the, given the situation at hand, right? I threw it out. There's a question. Does, does there seem to be less tension, less stress? Does the country seem to be a little less on edge? And I'm just going to say, yeah, I mean, I, I feel it for real in California. It does feel different. And I don't think it's a rally behind Biden. And it certainly has nothing to do with Newsom, you know, our governor who hopefully we

Starting point is 01:35:54 get out here in a few months. I think it's the byproduct of this. There's less bickering every day. This insane thing that we were going through for months and months, I think it feels differently. Walking around, I think, you know, if there was any political motivation behind the shutdowns of what was going on, they're easing up a little bit like where I live, the restaurants are open again down or outside. I mean, those, these little freedoms you take, you know, that you used to take for granted

Starting point is 01:36:18 are now a huge deal to be able to go sit somewhere, go to a gym. These are huge things. And I do think they're the collective mood of the country is better over the last month. I think I agree. I just think the word that comes to mind when I think of Trump in the last four years, and it served him well in some cases, and it served him not well. And other cases is frenzy. It was always a friend.

Starting point is 01:36:39 The news of the day. And Trump tweeted this. And here's who he's fighting with. And here's what he said about this. And Trump did this. It's just so frenzy. And here's what he said about this and Trump did this it's just so frenzied and you know every day I mean he would always you know control the media control the narrative frenzied friends like I'm good with sleepy Joe just kind of keeping it cool and just go be sleepy Joe We've had a very frenzied four years

Starting point is 01:37:01 Just get back to basics just do the work. It doesn't need to be a rock star. You don't need to be, you know, a personality, just freaking makes politics work. It's so weird how we are as voters. You know, we go from one Obama, oh, he's a socialist. He's this to we go to a Trump. Oh, he's so, you know, he's so, always Oh, always non-stop talking. Like, can't you just be quiet? We go to a guy that never wants to come out and he's just quiet. Yeah. We are so radical sometimes. Let me let me let me say something. And this is that I recognize this. Yeah. I say this

Starting point is 01:37:34 every time that they talk about politics. This is, you want to know politics in this country? It's a pendulum. We're all the way here. Second oval. No, not an oval. It's like a half circle. Marriage is like an oval. Where's that movie? What movie is that? Harry and what is Adam Sandler movie? I now pronounce you Doug and Larry. Yeah, Doug and Larry, or something like that.

Starting point is 01:37:56 Yeah, it's like an old Chuck and Larry. Chuck and Larry, Chuck and Larry's what it is close. Whatever. What a pendulum, think about it. You know, even the last 20 years, you go from Reagan, right, all the way to the right or conservative, you know, Bush, four years, boom, Clinton, Clinton eight years, boom, right after that, pendulum, go back to Bush.

Starting point is 01:38:14 From Bush, you go to Obama. Yeah, but you know what this is like, but I don't think that's like a, I give you a different analogy. If you want to do an analogy, I'll give you, this is like the guy that's like, listen, man, this last girl I tated, I just want somebody that's a little bit calmer. I want her to be calm like this is too much. Like she's like, and he go day to come, dude, I'm so bored.

Starting point is 01:38:32 You know, I want somebody that's outside, you know, once in a, and he like, and then I watch cock those the other day and he's telling the, what he call it, the, you know, his buddy, Coglin's law, the guy who ever that guy, he says, he says, you know, you, you, you can never land a bill, his buddy, Coglin's law, the guy who ever that guy. Coglin's law. He says, you know, you can never land a billion, he's teasing him. So he goes and gets the billionaire,

Starting point is 01:38:52 the girl in the corner. So he's going to her place and one of the days he wakes up and she's like, ah, and two, and three. And he says, and he says, every can day at five o'clock in the morning, like he struck to it, You want it, the girl? Now you got it.

Starting point is 01:39:06 So I just want a family girl. So America can make up the mind. We're my polar. We're my polar. It's an understatement. Yeah. You know, over the last month, I've literally, you know, for VT Post, I'm going, there seems to be better stories to offer, better stories to choose.

Starting point is 01:39:19 And I'm going, why is that? Have more interesting people just come to the forefront, but here's what it is. Trump is such an oxygen suck. He absorbs everything from both sides. Both sides are obsessed with him. The left side hates him so much that's all they can do is talk about him and react to him. Same thing with the right.

Starting point is 01:39:35 He dominates everything, every news cycle. Hollywood changed because of him. Every industry essentially changed because of the field. He just sucks all the energy out of a room. Right now, there's other things to talk about. You're hearing more about some business stories and the entertainer. I think Hollywood might go back to being a little bit more Hollywood. I use the analogy of watching Jimmy Fallon last night. It felt like a different show compared to what he aired the last two years. So it's, I think it's that he is such a, and you

Starting point is 01:40:00 know, just an outlier as far as the personality of him and what he brings to the table. I think it's better for the country. If he probably just says I had my run and I'm good. Well, other other stories are getting some data. By the way, if you think again, we may have a different crowd because they're going crazy right now. Furies with you guys. If you think he's going to run again, put thumbs up. If you think there's no way in the world he's going to run in 2024, push thumbs down.

Starting point is 01:40:22 I'm curious to know what people are going to say. If you join the dialogue and your first time here with us, smash that subscribe button, help us get to 100,000 subscribers. So let's talk about SPACs. What is a SPAC? What is a SPAC? A SPAC, a special purpose acquisition company, which to simplify what a SPAC is, it's essentially going public without having to spend the four to 10 million bucks of going public and waiting 18 months to go public. It's somebody that already has a holding company on the market with some cash in it and the stocks are on $10 some of them are $10.50 because they got a warrant on the back end and you go and say, Hey, let's do something with the SPAC couple months later. You're on the market with

Starting point is 01:41:00 a ticker. Okay, so that's a SPAC to simplify, but let me read a few things here for you. you're on the market with a ticker. Okay. So that's a spec to simplify. But let me read a few things here for you. Roger Lee of battery venture says that SPAC used to be a bad four-letter word in Silicon Valley. Not a board of every high profile startup is discussing SPAC as a legitimate way to go public. According to Jeff Crow of Northwest venture partners, a sudden burst of SPACs remind some long timers of the dot com bubble in the late 1990s pre revenue businesses with far out goals are going public at astronomical valuations and famous athletes and other celebrities are getting into makes the Wall Street skeptics. It looks like the finance industry's latest scheme to make money speculators, et cetera, et cetera, right? $44 billion so far and 144 deals. According to a spec inside of it, the following names

Starting point is 01:41:46 have gone into the spec movement. Shemat, who's a potential governor, California, Serena Williams, Steph Curry, Shaq, Alex Rodriguez, Billy Bean, Tillman Fertata, Billy Fou, there is a lot cappering just got it. There's a lot of people that are going into the spec market and Silicon Valley is saying, maybe this is the way to go because people don't want to wait that long. Thoughts on SPACs. Let me tell you something. I quite can't believe, never heard of a SPAC until like the last year. I thought it was a super political action committee. You know, you have a pack. I thought it was a SPAC. Oh, you got a pack. I just literally what I thought it was for a while. Super pack. That's true because they do call it super pack.

Starting point is 01:42:25 But I don't know if it's just because I've been following Chimaz interviews a little bit more lately and he's quote unquote the king of the SPAC. But it's starting to pop up more and I've gotten to here, I've heard it, I'm covering a little bit on the finance stuff with value-taming economics. And finally yesterday I was like Pat,

Starting point is 01:42:42 we were kind of brainstorming ideas. I'm like, what's up with all these spack talk? Not spack talk, not, you know, not we're doing here. And you're like, you were like intrigued, you were almost like thrown off, like, what do you know about spack? What do you, what, what, what, what, what, what, you were just like, who told you about spack?

Starting point is 01:42:58 It's just been popping up a lot more lately. So give the, the audience what they want, give them that spack talk to them. What's the point here? You just have to keep in mind. Spack is you saving time and money from going public. That's what a spack is. It's competition doing IPO.

Starting point is 01:43:12 Yeah, speed to market. Just think about speed to market. If you write down that run a company, you're doing 50 million here, 100 million here, 200 million here, whatever you're doing. And you say, guys, I want to go public. Okay, good for you. Lawyers, galore, accountants, ridiculous, going through a golden or somebody that's going

Starting point is 01:43:33 to say, we're going to take a 5% fee or 10% fee or six, they're going to take that as well. Because when they take your public, they're calling their clients, so they're taking a fee for helping you raise capital and take 12 to 18 months. Versus somebody comes and says, look, I'm already public. Why don't you put your company in my spec? And then at the same time, I can help you be public in the next 30 to 90 days.

Starting point is 01:43:56 So it's speed to market, but what doesn't happen is the follow. What where spec doesn't work is the following. There are a lot of spacks that get a bad reputation't work is the following. There are a lot of SPACs that get a bad reputation because there is no company. It's not a company, it's an idea. So there is no proof of revenues. There's no proof, it's just, here's the idea that we have,

Starting point is 01:44:15 and here's what we're gonna do, and let's go into market and we think this idea is gonna blow up and be a multi-billion dollar company. And then Mark is like, what do you have so far? When in the market comes in and does the investigation like, do these guys have nothing going on? Those are the specs that take a bad, and there's a lot of specs that people are going out

Starting point is 01:44:31 without a real business. You have to be very careful of that. But traditionally, you got a real business, you're doing well for yourself, you got a transportation company, you guys are 120 million year, you're netting 10, 15 million dollars, you're like, okay, let's go take a look at being a spec.

Starting point is 01:44:44 Yeah, you got a real business going on. Interesting. Are they bringing in the big name athletes just for the name factor and recruiting factor and just credibility? Is that why you're seeing these guys? Oh, oh, oh, you got to realize spec. So spec, so imagine you go out in a spec and you're a half a billion out of company. The guy that owns the spec currently, the

Starting point is 01:45:05 whole company, that guy ends up taking somewhere between, you know, 15 to 20% of shares. So if you got 15% to help you go public, that's essentially the cost it would have been anyways if you waited 18 to 20, you know, yeah. So he takes 15%. So you go public, they say, okay, we'll let your company be part of our spec. Half a billion dollars. The hopes is a year later for that company to be worth what? You know, a billion dollars. If it's worth a billion dollars, that guy officially doubled his 100 million

Starting point is 01:45:34 to 200 million, made a hundred million dollars. Okay, then he liquidates 50% of that. Then he liquidates 25% of that, et cetera, et cetera. So there's a lot of opportunities. And by the way, for some people, like, I don't want to put my money into a spec, most people that go into a spec, a company that goes into a spec,

Starting point is 01:45:48 the CEO, the guy at the top, the executives, cannot sell their shares. They have to stay on. So it's not like, hey, I'm in, got the money, I'm out. There's a timeline because they're watching you. So regulators are watching you. So yes, it's actually a very interesting thing that's creating, it's been around for a long time,

Starting point is 01:46:05 but today, a lot of people, since things are moving quickly, are very much interested in specs. And some of the terminology you hear always throwing around with SPAC. You always hear blank check companies. Why are these? Why is it considered a blank check company? Because there's no company in it. It's just money. It's a holding company with money in it. It's a holding company. It's a shell company. It's a shell company. You just plug in our yes. We're going to do this. That's a good way of putting it. Okay. Yes. It's a shell company. Okay. Speaking of IPOs, you want to talk about Bumble? You want to talk about that or Bitcoin with JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley. Let's go to Bumble. So Bumble founder Whitney Wolfherb becomes a younger self-made woman billionaire after IPO. Bumble founder is now worth one and a half billion dollars at 31 years old.

Starting point is 01:46:49 She's also the youngest chief executive to take a company public in America female co-founder the company about seven years ago in order to reinvent the dating app structure. The app, unlike its competitors, gives women the ability to control the conversation. It is the only dating app where women make the first move. However, her journey into the digital dating scene didn't start with Bumble. In fact, prior to her start with the multi-billion dollar company, she co-founded the biggest competitor, Tinder. Wolf heard left Tinder and filed a lawsuit against the company, alleging sexual harassment,

Starting point is 01:47:22 Tinder denied any wrongdoing. And the suit was eventually settled shortly after in 2014, she founded Bumble. Bumble also owns the dating app Badu. Together the apps are used in 150 countries with tens of millions of monthly subscribers thought. It's so fascinating. I mean, she's a rock star. She's unbelievable to think that she helped create Tinder.

Starting point is 01:47:42 And you think of the perception of Tinder? Is there a more creepy at dating app out there? Clearly, I'm not an expert on dating apps, but that just seems to me as being creepy. It'd be like you started Penthouse, and then you quit, and then you started National Geographic. I mean, going to what she did with Bumble,

Starting point is 01:47:56 but she's brilliant, she's worth 1.5 billion. You know, she served them on her way out and got a million dollars because she was dating the four, the other co-founder of Tinder, and she suit them for sexual harassment. You allegedly called her a whore and a gold digger and things like that. So she got out with vengeance. She went out to create their competition and destroy them. I mean, that was literally her philosophy and she did it. Mission accomplished.

Starting point is 01:48:16 It's unbelievable. I learned about Bumble through my barber. All right, young guy probably had 26. Good looking dude. He go, Hey, TZ, I'm a bumble, man. It's unbelievable. What is that? And he's telling me about he's pulling on his phone, showing me all the girls that make the first move. He had two serious relationships. And I think he might get engaged now to the one that he's been dating. She's beautiful. I'm not sure to them. No, he had a relationship. It was impressive. I mean, it's unbelievable. He's going for his third. It's incredible. Is he Armenian? He's just, he loves women.

Starting point is 01:48:46 No, he's found, no, he's found someone that I think he's going to get engaged to. So it's, it's great. You know, if she had done the SPAC accelerated this even sooner, could she, would she have to give up more equity? Is that part of the downside for a company or for a founder like that that you're given up more and you're, and do the employees get a little chunk of it. Because here's the other thing that she did over the weekend. The New York Post got a hold of a slack message from her that she sent out to the whole staff. They went public last week. They killed it. You know, it went up. I don't even know the numbers.

Starting point is 01:49:15 I haven't written down, but they exploded in the next two days. She sent a slack message out to everybody and say, Hey, don't look at the stock price. Don't think about the stock price. I think that's an unfair thing to say to employees because if you were there to help create that company, that is your end game, the stock option that you have. How could you not? I mean, you know that you're going to make me make a few million. So I think that was disingenuous. I thought that was a bad move for her to do that. Now, the other stat I have, and it's really unbelievable, is they only have 70 if full-time employees. To build a company of that value with 70 employees, I mean, that is, I mean, find me a man that's done that.

Starting point is 01:49:53 That's incredible. Oh, I'll find you a man, all right, right on bubble. A couple different things. I've never done a dating app in my life. And now, do we have a lie detector in the open now? This is not good at them. Just listen. God's watching.

Starting point is 01:50:08 It's not a time to lie. Just tell the truth. Just tell the truth. Okay. Guys, match.com, the first app I've ever used is Bumble. It's to recently started using it. And the women have to make the first move. They're pretty aggressive out there.

Starting point is 01:50:20 Let me tell you. They're out there. They so have you been approached? They're, oh, sorry. What happened? What happened? Tell us. I haven't opened the app in a you, they're out there. They. So have you been approached? Oh, so what have you? What have you tell us? I haven't opened the app in a few, uh, in a few years. Oh my gosh. I was having a message. He's been opening. I got like 12 full time jobs. So what what what what's the approach?

Starting point is 01:50:37 What's been the best approach? Ladies will will message you and say, like things like, Hey, sweetie, hey handsome. I'm a saw your profile. Hey, buddy, you know, not hey, buddy, but, you know, for him, it's just sweet. Just whatever they do make the first move. So then you obviously, yeah, okay, I was up. You know, I was like, what's your address? I'm coming over my way. That's tender. That's tender. I've never done tender, but I might have to look into that soon. No, for all the funny guys out there've never done Tinder, but I might have to look into that soon. No for all the funny guys out there, never done Grindr, but hey, listen, if you got enough money, we'll stop. He kept bringing up the app. He hasn't done. I mean, I think that's saying something. But something someone pointed this out, I would love to give Whitney Wolf heard credit,

Starting point is 01:51:22 youngest female billionaire, like obviously everything that's going on, I would love to give her credit for that. You pointed out, well, Kylie Jenner actually was the youngest self-made billionaire, but she didn't go public. But then you find out Whitney Wolf heard who's, who's heard who's that guy? Who's her husband? Well, it turns out Michael Hurd is like an oil tycoon and from Texas, our old stomping grounds. And believe me, he had some positive influence in the, in the framework

Starting point is 01:51:53 of this company. So it wasn't like some, you know, lowly girl started a dating app and made it like to the big leagues. She had a billionaire buddy husband that, you know, that I don't know if she met him on a dating app or not but That's her husband. You know is he a lot older? No, okay similar Adam also she started the company in 2014 and they didn't get married till 17 I mean they might have met before but it seems like You're trying to get a free bumble-a-cowdy trying to do man. Look bad state the truth What's your what you're all about? I'm bumble honestly. What's my profile? Yeah get a free bumble-a-count. What are you trying to do? Make me look bad. You're saying state the truth. What's your point of the ball and bumble? Honestly. What's my profile?

Starting point is 01:52:27 Yeah, I'm bumble. What is the name? I'm buzzer just Kyloah. If they wanted to find you. Really? They can't search it. No, no. They can't.

Starting point is 01:52:35 Why? So you can't search the name on bumble? No, it's it's based off location. Oh, okay. So you have to be location. Okay. I'm soy boy everywhere. I'll three states.

Starting point is 01:52:44 50 states. I'm everywhere. Just find me, ladies, on the soy boy, my channel. Is there anything else to say about this? Or that's- I ain't bumble. One thing I- Change, I was waiting like, it changed my life. No, it's not, it's not changed my life.

Starting point is 01:52:54 Yeah, yeah. One thing I will say, I've done my due diligence, you know, I'm a very OCD methodical, I say, you know, I asked a couple of my dating and half- Who are you in high school? Who are you went high school with something. And without a doubt, everyone's like hinge and bumble.

Starting point is 01:53:10 That's where you got to go hinge and bumble. That's where it hinge the hinge H I N G E hinge. The good. That's all the gentlemen. Not a good name for dating side really. Hinge the hinge. No, it's not hinge. Why?

Starting point is 01:53:23 What hinge hinges with the dating. What's hinge? Hinge is the dating side. Yes. And the other one that's like so to the two that people have you had a date yet from I have not I've not done it. Come on, I swear. I've never using the app wrong. Bro, take my car if you need to. Okay. But Kai has Kai. Have you not met a girl on Bumble? What that? What are you doing? Just to know your speakers off. Yeah. Kai, have you not met a girl on Bumble? What the, what are you doing? Just to know your speakers off. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:53:46 Kai, what app do you, because you've done some, you've done some more. I've used more hinge. Okay, there it is. Got it. You're looking for a hot Norwegian man, ladies. Hinge up, Kai. Loot it.

Starting point is 01:53:58 First of all, good for her. It's all I can say. Good for her for, you know, it's do what she did, tender and change. One little thing you were talking about, girl approaches you, that you approaching them, you know, do what she did, Tinder, and change one little thing. You were talking about girl approaches you, that you approaching them, you know, changes a little bit and got a market for it, where it's a little bit more where the guy's there. And if you're approachable, then they'll approach you. And you have a, you know, somewhere to take an X, you know what? Let's pull up bubble right now. Let's see

Starting point is 01:54:20 what we got. Can you imagine you read a message and you make fun of the girl and ends up becoming your wife one day? I would love that story. There we go. We got Bumble. Here it is. It's yellow. Yellow for like a Bumble B.

Starting point is 01:54:32 He's a pre-me member by the way. Who's this? Who's this? So what you do is you say, all right, what's this girl's name? All right, we'll go to the right. You matched. She had already requested me. She had already requested me.

Starting point is 01:54:43 There it is. All right, keep swiping. I don't know. See, this is a two girls in the picture. Which one of my two girls in the same picture? I'm telling you, that's not bumble. Listen, you're not on bumble. I'm on bumble. That's grow. No. This girl tried pandemic was so good. This girl put a picture of like her hot friend with her dating. It's just a whole different world turns turns out It's not so you got to go left on that one This girl's got a far off bikini pick. You got to get closer

Starting point is 01:55:10 That's an odd idea for you. Yeah point is there's a lot of do-do Point is we got to finish this podcast. You can go message all those I'm gonna be a bubble for the next hour for you. Yeah, you need an assistant to manage that whole thing Pat We've been talking about that. What's crazy is I I was never around single during the app era. Yeah. Yeah. So I have no clue. But I have plenty of people around me who are using the app. Greek God. That would have been the name. Greek God. Your birthday is October. Sort of 10, 10, 16, 18, yeah. Greek God, 10, 18, message Message PBD. Okay. So, listen, if you're on Bumble, I guess this was the advertisement for Adam.

Starting point is 01:55:50 Today's message is sponsored. He's a podcast sponsored by Adam Sausnik's Bumble Count. You can find them in Boca Raton, Adam Sausnik, soy boy. He is single and he's looking very good with finances, healthy works out where it's very short shorts and athletic I don't know what else to say knows how to do different accents. He's funny. He's comedic. Yeah, he can do Jewish accent He can do German Russian. I mean extremely talented. Thank you. I pretty extremely talented. So that was an endorsement. I'm right there My bumble profile. Wow.

Starting point is 01:56:26 So are we scheduled for Thursday? We are scheduled for Thursday. Same time 8 a.m. we're scheduled to do the podcast Thursday. Are you in town? Yeah. Okay. So Thursday. So here's what's going to happen Thursday.

Starting point is 01:56:39 I'm not going to be on the podcast on Thursday. It's going to be you, Adam and Kai doing a podcast on Thursday. I won't be here, but we're still doing a podcast. I'll be back next week. This week I'm going to be you, Adam and Kai doing a podcast on Thursday. I won't be here, but we're still doing a podcast. I'll be back next week. This week, I'm going to be in I got a flight to Louisville, then I got a flight to Dallas, then I got a flight to Hawaii. That's going on. This is a very, very busy week. Have you said that with the with the weather right now? I wish everybody traveling to you and obviously you, first and foremost, but everybody traveling just be safe out there. Yeah. And if you have Wi-Fi on your plane message, Adam, on the phone.

Starting point is 01:57:08 Yeah, for sure. Okay. Hey, gang, if you enjoyed this smash that subscribe button, we'll do it again Thursday, take care everybody. Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye.

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