PBD Podcast - Bas Rutten | PBD Podcast | Ep. 215

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Bas Rutten and Adam Sosnick to discuss MMA Fighting, Training, Coaching as well as Connor McGregor and Jake Paul. Enjoy! TOPICS Why did Bas Rutten start fighting? Are Martial Art fighters considered a weapon in court? Bas Rutten on what makes a good fighter Do different types of martial arts have different values and principles Bas Rutten reveals his best coach Bas Rutten on his parents Is it safer to fight with gloves or bare knuckles? Bas Rutten reveals his favorite fighter Bas Rutten reveals his Top 5 fighters Bas Rutten on Connor McGregor Bas Rutten praises Jake Paul Why are more people dying in boxing than MMA Reaction to Messi mocking Louis Van Goal What is the most viewed sporting event in the world? Reaction to Zion Williamson’s street fight Learn about Byrna, the most devastating less-lethal self-defense weapon that I recommend for everyone. Click on the link below to see my recommendations to help you protect yourself and your family  https://byrna.com/pages/pbd-landing?c... FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on https://minnect.com/ Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/ PBD Podcast Episode 215.  Purchase Bas Rutten's O2 Trainer - the Official Workout Device for Respiratory Training and Lung Muscle Fitness: https://bit.ly/3VVhiPI For more info on Bas Rutten's O2 Trainer: https://bit.ly/3YwEtBJ Check out BreathingforWarriors.com: https://bit.ly/3hiXbMn Learn Bas Rutten's 7 Skills To Save Your Life: https://bit.ly/3uMxjeP Check out Bas Rutten's Body Action System: https://bit.ly/3HBr598 Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

But that's two and a half months, it's pretty naughty. Listen, Texas is on a golf score. You're living in a great place. Texas, Florida, the only thing that offers a little bit more is a lifestyle. Folks, today's guest, special guest. Let me tell you, if you follow Mix Martial Arts, you know exactly who my guest is.

If you don't, let me kind of give you a little bit of perspective of who boss, Roton, or boss, Routin is. He was inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame three times King of Pancreas World Champion, finished career with a 22 fight win streak. Strike accuracy of 70.6% highest ever recorded by FightMetric and UFC heavyweight champ, the one and only Bas Routin on the podcast today. Thank you for being on here today, man.

Thank you so much for having me. I mean, I love you guys. Awesome. Yeah. Great to have you on, man. I mean, obviously, I've seen your stuff. I've seen your fights. I've followed you. And, but when you hear the stories, those are the best parts, right?

We had Bo Jackson on one time. And the documentary they made about Bo Jackson. And there are certain figures that they have mythical figures, right? Like there's the stories, and then there's the stories that goes from the stories to the stories to the stories that people are passing on. And they say,

Bo, which stories true, Bo? They said you jumped over a 40 foot this, and you did this and you did that, and Bo has to say, no, this one's not true, but this one is true, but that one is not true. You did kind of got, they got a lot of stories and every time it keeps increasing I fought these three guys one time and it came forward and then all the guys said man I was there when you face those five guys but in the past you know

when you're young you just keep you go with it you know but then now later I go actually that was not bad that was a mystery correct your story you know I caught a fish this big. No, this big. It was like, no, I arm wrestle the shark and I beat him. And that's just how it went to. But boss, like at what age, at what age did you know, like, you know, like fighting is something like,

I remember I asked Tyson, we had him at our event. And Tyson said, when the first time he fought, he would fight scared. He said, I punched a guy and I duck, because I was scared. And he says, I saw him on the ground. And he says, he brought his father back. And then his father fought me. And he says, I did the same thing.

And I knocked out a 30 year old man. He says, that's when I realized my punch really had weight behind it. When did you know like fighting was your thing to do? You know, not at that moment, but I was very sick as a kid, so I was bullied a lot. I had a horrible skin disease.

I was the lapper in school. It's what they call me. I needless to say, you know, you start building an aggression towards these bullies because they went on a daily basis. And then when I was 12 years old, and so I was Bruce Lee movie, sneaked in, started learning martial arts

two, two years actually to convince my parents. But once I did it for two and a half months, I knocked the first bully out, the biggest one in my school. And that's when I realized, wow, this is actually pretty easy. Because it was tight on the over the dead, it was only kicking, but somehow I knocked the one punch it was out. The problem was the broken nose in the process. So the police showed up when I confirmed for my mom and dad that it was violent. And so they took me off martial arts. And then I had to wait till I was 20 when I moved out of the house. And that's immediately I started doing.

So 14, 20, you're doing nothing? Oh, no, I am. Of course, I slipped in illegally, you know, going to places, watching videotapes, watching books and katas. And, you know, so I was constantly busy with it, but I didn't have any people teaching me. But you would say you were obsessed.

Like it was an obsession of yours. Immediately because you know, once you knock out a guy, it feels really good. And then I went out to the old bullies. I made a list with all the guys who had bullied me in the past. And I started scratching off the guy. Get out of here. Yeah, no, I'm not serious.

Yeah. And it was sad because some of them, they literally said, dude, I don't even remember. I go, I do remember. Oh, yeah. This reminds me of two things. Number one in the movie, Billy Madison, and Steve Buscemi had a kill list of whoever he was gonna,

whoever bullied him. If you ever see, saw Billy Madison, and then thank God that, and then the Kobe list. Kobe said he had a very similar list of guys that were ranked higher than him in high school. And he's like, all right. This is my kill list 55 of them exactly because he was ranked the 56 best high school But athletes are one by one by one. He went after all of them So like when you when you when you when you beat that bully up and you knocked them out

Are these bullies kids that you went to school with so did you go to school or did you go to a park? Like, where were they? They were in my school. His name was Shaki. He was the biggest bully in my school. I was bullying everybody. So came from a bad family. As brother was in jail for robbery. This is a Netherlands.

That was in the Netherlands here. So, and it was one punch, like I said. It was pretty easy. And then I started going after the bullies. And it was all the time like that. Just if I connected, what I connected with fight would be over. And I go, oh, this is... Did anybody ever get you or no?

Did you ever lose in high school? No, I never lost on the street, ever. You never... Never lost the... In your life. In my life, yeah. But, boss, you've never lost the street fight in your life. No.

Yes, I mean, I never lost the street fight in my life. Yes, I should say that, yeah, too. Nothing. Wow. So, let me ask you like, I guess the thing with, you know how they say that, yeah, too. Nothing. Wow. Undefeated in the street. So let me ask you, I guess the thing with, you know how they say in Las Vegas, if you ever go to the bar, don't act too hard, you know, because you have no clue.

You have to hear, what'd you say? I mean, like, you don't do that in Vegas, you don't do that in San, you don't do that in a lot of cities now, they say, and you could do that to the wrong guy. But how many times have people not known who you are? Because you have to know UFC and MMA, to know, but if you know UFC and MMA, not known who you are? Because you have to know you have seen MMA, to know, but if you know you have seen MMA, everybody knows who you are. And the argument has won the greatest of all time, if not the greatest.

Those are the arguments you're in when it comes on to fight. You're on a lot of different lists. But how often have you gone to a bar where a guy has no clue who you are and have tested you? I know I've heard the Brian Orlocker story, but like stories like that, do you have a lot of those? No, you know, I used to, and then after the whole Swedish bar fight story that I had with the bounces, somehow I never had it anymore.

But before that, I would have guys who would see me, they would be drunk, of course, and then I would just call the bounces, like, oh, hey, come over here, this guy is an ass. Put him, I will give him my card, and say, hey, tomorrow, if you wanna go, we can come to my gym, and we can do a big loss, you know, which oh, nobody gets hurt. But you're not going to come.

And they always said they were going to come and nobody ever showed up. And that didn't happen a lot, like four times or so. Got it. So, but nobody really tested you after they knew who you were. You're saying that one bar fight, they had no clue who you were, and they knew who I was. And they were known for it. They were calling the mafia bounces. There was a Yugoslavia mob.

And somehow they did that to a lot of people. Absolutely. What year was this? Oh, there was in 1998. And so accidentally they see you at the bar and they know who you are. Told me right away from the get-go to stay calm. When they started dancing with the people,

guys ordering me a drink, he comes comes over the bounces come over asking me Hey listen, you need to go you're too busy or bothering the customers I go you mean the guy that's just buying a drink for me But they push me in between two doors and between doors. It started started pushing me one guy put a finger in my eye I said I don't want any trouble other eye knocked him out and then the whole thing started like five bounces came Yeah, it was a big one. Wow. I actually have a very important question for you. So I believe, like in college, I played college football.

I was in, I went to Florida State. I mean, talk about beer, steroids, kegs, parties. There was two types of guys. There was a guy that was looking for a girl to go home with at the end of the night, or a guy that was just looking for a fight at the end of the night. I was always of the former, if you know what I mean. But I would always say since then,

and anyone who went to Florida State in the late 90s, early 2000s, knows, it was like you couldn't avoid fist fights. My question and lesson is, at this point in my life, and I'm not looking for fights, but if I would get in a fight, it would not be with a random stranger.

It would only be with someone that I know that has done something to the point of art. Now we need to fight, disrespect. Meaning I've seen so many people, what'd you say? Say something, you stepped on my toes. Yo bro, why are you looking at my girl? Like, it's something real, hey buddy.

Like, your interaction is maybe one second, two seconds, but now you're in a fist fight with this person. What advice would you have for just people out there that are just, they've got a quick churgen, they're looking for a fight. Next thing you know, they run into a bass rooton at a bar and their face is pummeled for the rest of their life. Yeah, for those types of people. It's, don't pick a fight. I have students, you know, they look like it's, and there are, they're 17 years old, but they won't mash you up. You's don't pick a fight. I have students, you know, they look like it's not there are there. 17 years old, but I will mash you up. You know, you pick a five of them and I knew that well, what any any lady from the UFC, you are going to lose. It's that crazy, you know, and nowadays, like you said, you don't know who you're fighting. And you can't

tell by their, by their appearance as well. So yeah, don't, don't do it because it can go really wrong. Yeah, especially if you have no clue, not only what they're background and what their training is, but you don't have, you've never had any interaction with this person. Why are you fighting a person? But I tell you, probably nonsense. Probably more today than before, probably more today than before, because even like early 90s, this thing wasn't, you know, all over the, you know, you didn't watch it every day. It was boxing, but it wasn't, you know, all over the, you know, you didn't watch it every day.

It was boxing, but it wasn't UFC MMA, hadn't yet blown up. If you knew about it, it's because it was like a underground community that knew this stuff. But you know, for some of the people that don't know the story, can you tell the Brian Orlacher story? You know Brian Orlacher is. Yeah, massive lineback. Can you pull up the picture so people know who Brian Orlacher is like one of the in in yeah how big this guy was. Beast. Yeah. Yeah, but you know I don't really like to say it. You

know the reason is because it was his brother who started it who looks almost identical like him and then he just came up for his brother. He came up and he says hey dude because he saw his brother was in trouble and he would have taken outside. You know, and then I, yeah, well, yeah, if you want, you know. You're wearing a bar, a game where you want to go. We were at the charity event for kids from open-heart. Yeah, that was the whole thing. What? I was with the band.

I was singing with the band, and then the band guy, the drummer said, hey, you play the drums, right? I go, yeah, you want to play a song? I go, sure. So I'm playing the song, and then I started going to the audience, people shaking my hands, and I'm walking, I step on his brother's toes, and he's pushing me in my back. I go, oh, we're like somebody go, you know, we're

like, what? And profanity. I said, come on, guys, the charity event, relax. He was drinking a beer. I say, you want another beer to go after you and the kept going to do it. This is a charity event. Normally, I would have knocked you out already. So let's bring it down right now. You know, let's, I don't want any trouble here. And then Brian came, but he came just to the defense of his brother. And he said, Hey, you want to take it outside? Yeah, we okay. But then the bounces came in and they said, Yeah, don't go outside with that guy to buy to Brian. So Brian didn't know who you were. No, he didn't know it. Okay, even though it's a charity event, and you, you, you had no idea who you were. No, okay. So I'm assuming you guys never went outside.

Yeah. So he, no, we never went outside. And like I said, it wasn't him. You know, that's the misconception. A lot of people say, yes, it was him who asked me to go outside, but you just stand up to help his brother. Defend his brother, that makes sense. Is there a rule, by the way, you know what? Like you hear that like fists,

or if you're a professional fighter, it's actually legal to fight, what are the rules as far as like, hey, by the way, I'm a professional UFC fighter one of the greatest of all time. Are there disclaimers you have to give what are the rules of fighting normal citizens? You know, I do know that once you do fight, you are considered a weapon in court. I had that in Holland. I had a guy who at a party started knocking out women. And then he was my ex-boyfriend and lawyer knocked him out knocked her out too

So I grabbed them. I said let's go find the tree outside because I thought it was something wrong with them He was foaming on the mark. Yeah, like a delirium So I'm walking outside with them while I'm walking outside as this old guy sitting was retired It was a party from a company Young was his name and he knocked that guy out also so now it's not pushing him hard outside I so let's pick up a tree and I push him away and right away his son-in-law is behind me and they're both attacking me.

And this was a week before I had a fight, a Thai boxing match. And it was literally, I swear, I go, bang, bang, if I was over. And I look at my wife and I go like, I guess I'll be safe for the next week, right? And then the guy got up and I heard him scream and I turned around and he came running at me and I kick, but because he came in, I didn't hit with my foot, hit him with my shin in the face. And I was bad.

I mean, broke his skull, teeth all out, broken jaw. It was, it was like scary, you know, and then of course the police came. But you know, I had all these witnesses. He was beating women, so it was okay, but I had to go to court for that one. And then that state, so then, you know, you're, you can't fight again because you're known as you have a weapon or no? No, no, no, no, you can in, in self defense, you can. It's like when you're carrying a weapon, you know, in self defense for your life or somebody you love, you you allowed to shoot.

Got it. So I guess I know what you're asking because you've heard about it before where, you know, this person is a registered if he fights, he goes to just a bunch of bullshit. Miss. That's not a true. No, I had this. For movies. I had this. I had to, you know, register. Register my hands lighting and thunder over here. This guy, I'm sitting in a plight on a plane in the Stuart laid a female comes to me.

He says, I hear you a fighter and I go, yeah, yeah, okay. And she's come with me and like very secretive. And I'm standing where they stand normally. And she goes to me, you know, I have a friend of mine. You have to register a swap, he had to register his weapons. She gave me a card. He says, here, what's it that I said, I don't need that card. And she says, why?

I go, you know, that's completely BS, right? You can't do that. No, no, look, register hands.com. I go, oh, he started a company. So you can say, it's like buying a black belt at blackbell.com. You know, I go, this is completely blue. It's really not it, but you are considered a weapon though, once you're in jail, in court. That's what they say.

You're considered a weapon once you're in court for hurting somebody. For fighting because with me they said, would you say that you would hit harder than somebody else? I mean, you're an athlete. I go, you mean like a shot boot guy or a tennis player? I think they hit as hard as I do, you know, so because they really wanted to steal two martial arts I said come on now, you know, I was just defending myself and she was okay. It was a female judge

I remember a smirk on her face. Why it's all your thing on sports science. Did you see that pat? Yeah, that was insane The dough you tomato spleen or deliver Yeah, exactly where they basically there's a show on ESPN called Sports Science, right? Which by the way, I loved it. I don't know why they went away with it. It was a very good show. They would do you would make you see the science of what a human specimen, certain people were. Yeah, that one right there.

Yeah, this one. You can't play it obviously. No, no, don't play. That's for the spleen. Exactly. The one that I really liked was the crash test dummy because that's where I tripled all the other fighters, had to kick it and that was cool at the here

because they measure things that they never measured before. They said like VC value was 2.1. Now VC value, that's the value in the car that if you go over that hit the hit the wall, if you go over it, it's unsafe. Yeah. So the computer already goes to one. So when I kicked, the guy says, yeah,

this is impossible, we've never seen anybody, like 0.8 was the hardest one. He said, I said, well, I know I can kick hard. That's the one thing I do. No. And so, so can you adjust the computer? And he says, well, I don't think it's true. I said, well, I know it's true. And then I kicked the second time and it was a two point one. And that was cool. Let me, let me ask you about in, in, in, in, in basketball, they'll say, this guy's got a quick first step, right? Like you're going in a boom. He goes around you, Kobe had it, MJ had it, you know, Russell Westbrook's got it. Some guys got the quick first step.

And it's over. You can't guard it because he's behind you. You have to do a foul or you need your help from the center or somebody behind you. What are some advantages? Like when you're saying I've never lost in a street fight. What are some natural God-given abilities you got that gives you an edge? Is it the speed? Is it quickness? Is it how you see? Like I can already see from the moment you came in you're like constantly moving your energy, you're aware of your surroundings. What gave you that edge? It's some natural abilities because

somebody can go in and I can go fight and practice with the same guy that you're practicing with, but you're advancing at a different level than me. What are things you're bringing to the table naturally that gives you that advantage? Ooh, it's a hard one, you know, it's all about listening to instructions and actually doing it,

it's just having good coaches, you know, and it's like distance. For instance, like my Tyson was talking about, he didn't know he was looking down at the same thing, but pretty much every fighter, the first fight is chaos. You just hit a silhouette. Like I knocked my guy out, I remember with a back kick to the body to deliver, but he went down.

If at that moment they would have blindfolded me and they would bring in four other guys in type boxing shorts, doesn't matter what race, and they would turn around and say, who are you other guys in time. Boxing shorts. Doesn't matter what race. And I will turn around and say, who are you fighting? I wouldn't have a clue because I wasn't paying attention. I just tried to destroy the tire. So there's no technique. There's no nothing. It's just brawling, brawling, brawling.

But that's suddenly the click comes and suddenly you start bringing the game that you have in the dojo, bringing it over to fighting. Some guys never master it. There are some guys that every fightable, they're the same. They brought the dojo, bring it over to fighting. Some guys never master it. There are some guys that are every fightable, they are the same, they're the role of the dojo champions. They beat everybody in the dojo, but on the pressure they can't perform. So I think that is the biggest one.

And then distance to be able to reach, to measure this distance and to say just outside his range. Because that means I just let you miss, and I only have to come back in order to knock you out. So distance and... But let me, let me, let me, this is to come back in order to knock you off. So distance and... But let me, let me, let me, this is, I guess this is what I'm asking. Say, say we got a hundred guys that come in, okay?

They're athletic, but they've never, they've never done take Wando Karate, they've never done Jiu Jitsu, they've never done anything. Yeah. And they come to you, okay? And you're trying to see who's a better fighter, who's not, all street street fighters and they've all had 20 street fights under the belt, okay?

What makes one better than another one is it like is Are you able to slow down speed when someone's throwing something? Are you seeing something another person doesn't see? I'm not giving an idea. It's Sunday night I got a bunch of people on my house. I'm putting a party two nights ago and doesn't see. I give you an idea. Sunday night, I got a bunch of people on my house. I'm putting a party two nights ago and we're playing spades on this table. Middle table, I have them playing chess. Okay, and one of the guys's name is Rudolfo Vargas. We just sent him and his dad and his father-in-law to Qatar to see the final world, which is sick. He's on the flight right now over

there. He's playing chess. He always beats everybody. Then the last table is Domino's. I don't know which one you play. They're playing Domino playing chess. He always beats everybody. Then the last table is Domino's. I don't know which one you play. They're playing Domino's chess. Spades on the side. The guy that plays chess, he can think with his eyes, like if I do this and then there does this and it does this, they can go 19 moves

or 19 moves, they can do that, right? In fighting, there's gotta be some kind of an instinct a person has that gives you an edge over another one and they've never fought, no one struck nothing. What would you say that edge is, natural? Yeah, that's control. But when you're talking about guys who come in and what they have to try to street fights,

they already think they can fight and they're not listening to instructions. So they make mistakes because they only fought on the street. They guess the product or have a problem. So they make mistakes because they only fall down the street against the protocol have a problem. So it's the guy who listens and I said, oh, tone this down a little bit and this is why you explode.

Once they start listening at footwork, distance again, it's everything. So that's it. Are they able to receive information and automatically do that right away? Contribility for this one. It's everything because you have to tone them down because these guys are either hot hats.

Like also guys with me, I have the the special stance my stance is in wide open stance it's like Mike Tyson stance and one on deck or she used to be the past away or for you greatest time works in my eyes it's an open stance but it will make you open here but that's it for the rest everything becomes better more powerful we're blocking with kicking with everything is better. But a lot of guys fighting in this stance. Now, if they come in in this stance and they're knocking people out,

they're not gonna change this stance. Because if they're fighting like this and but they're not knocking people out, still doing really well, then I will tell them, you know, at the moment you want to knock somebody out, switch to this stance because that's got more power. You see, you start coaching them.

And if they listen immediately, you know, okay, that's the guy. It's guys come in, we never did anything. And immediately they start listening to your coaching, those are most of the time the guys were going to make it. So I got two boys and my boys, 10 and nine years old. I put them in jujitsu for the last year and a half, two years. And just last night, I got home and I wrestle with these guys and I just trying to see where they're at. And let me tell you, it hurts right now. Oh yeah. These guys, he's actually, like Dylan

guess that he got me pretty good. And he got me, okay, that I had to really try to get out of the way. They're 10 and 8 and a half. And then nine. What did he have you with? What was that? A choke or an arm burn?

No, he had me in a choke acidity because I had his brother on top of him. So I was good with the brother. My legs are locked. I'm good. And then he came from back and he got me a choke And I'm like I'm it was pretty tight You obviously can't show your son fighting your leg the whole thing. I'm just kicking me. I'm like what are you doing?

Santa my six-year-old daughter, but it arts arts You know like if you if you go under the coach of John wooden You learn about beating your prior best John wooden Woodens not, I think you can beat him. And let me tell you what he said about your mom. That's not John Woodens coaching style, right? But if you go under, you know, Phil Jackson, Phil Jackson is about emotional control. And then at the same time, mind games that Phil Jackson plays where he wouldn't say anything to your face, but he would go to the media and says, you know, we have to see if Kobe really wants to be one the best of all time or not.

That's a decision he's got to make. And then the way he would get you is through media, right? So you would have a little bit of Phil Jackson's DNA. If you went under this other guy, so you would pick up different people's style. Is there a cultural, and we were talking about this prior to the podcast, if you meet a person that's done 10 years of karate, or take one, or judo, or judy-tzu, what different characters do they create?

Do different arts create different types of men and leaders based on what the values and principles are, or all of them pretty much similar values and principles? It's good that you said yes. So with a good traditional background, most of the time, like a Taikundo or a karate background, you know, those guys, they listen to instructions. They're more, I don't know, more in control, I would say, but then you need a good school as well, because you got a lot of schools.

Like for instance, my daughters, they went to a school, I won't say the name, and they, I never saw them practice. And suddenly they had to go up for the yellow belt test. And they go and they're walking the car to us like this, they have no clue what they're doing. And they received a bike, they're yellow belt. And the guy comes to me and he says, hey, congratulations, say for what?

He says, for the belt, I say they didn't get it. Why would you give it to them? You know, makes no sense. They did not know what to do. He says, oh, we'll work on it more. I said, no, I'm out. I said, this is the money making machine for you guys. You're just making money with the belt system.

We pay $75. You don't want to do that. Now, if you go to a school like a first-estant Q-Cushion school, that's a different thing. Those guys, when you have a belt, you have the belt. So it's all about what school you're going to. The most of the time, Q-Cushion is a really good one. And there's really good karate class, karate school, as well regular karate. It's just about who's

instructing. Okay, so stay there. So the, so the, the, the play, so one of it is the actual art you're learning. Okay. What I'm trying to find out is, you know, you can go to a, a learn an art and you may never make it to the NBA. You know, kids coach will say, like, Mike won the coaches for baseball, team says, you see all these parents out here? They all think there's something's gonna be the next A-Rod. What they don't realize is there's something's not gonna be the next A-Rod.

Let them enjoy the game, let them have fun with baseball and he's talking about this. Very few of these guys will end up being the next Alex Rodriguez or whatever, whatever. 0.2% right? To make it to that level, right? Okay, but what I like about him as a coach, he's tough. right, reggae, or whatever, whatever. Zero point two percent. Zero point two percent, right? To make it to that level, right? Okay.

But what I like about him as a coach, he's tough. He's disciplined. He challenges them. We practiced it. He's really with them and he loves on them. He's got the balance of both, which I like. So I put these guys in a jujitsu and I see at the end of the day, hey, what's the word of the day, discipline.

So yes, they're learning how to protect themselves, but they're also learning certain set of values and principles. You just said right now, take Kandokarate, there's a lot of coachability. These are students that develop coachability, right? Yeah, they have to memorize. You have to memorize. Yeah, but what I want to know is you meet a judo person,

how different is a judo person, 10 years versus a karate, and I'm talking, they all have good teachers. So we're not talking about the bit. We'll talk about that here in a minute as well, because that's a paranoia I have as a parent. We're like, these guys are just making money. It's bullshit what we're doing here. But you meet a judo person.

You meet a karate person. You meet a judy-jutsu person. And we go out with 10 judo people. We go out with 10 karate people. We go out with 10 jiu-jitsu people, we go out with 10, whatever, pick all of them. Grasslers, boxes. How different is their character? You know, is one all about discipline, is one about, you know, spiritual, is one, what's

the different DNA between these different arts? I would say like the jiu-jitsu and judo will be more spiritual. You know, if you go to any brothels classes, I mean, they light up and join before they start, right? Everybody's excited. If it's joint, yeah. What he flows better is one big long in the middle and what he thinks is.

Literally. Yeah. So yeah, I can see you enrolling in a class like that, right? It's not good for me, but I wouldn't. But so, so those are more the spiritual guys and the combinations, but you know, yeah, you have them everywhere. That's what I'm trying to say. The more spiritual guys, sorry, I would say in a judo, juditsu, assemble all those kind of sports. And then Karate, once you start hitting people,

I think you have the more energy guys, the more the ADD, ADHD. So those kind of guys, you have them there. And they're harder to coach because this is this is this is Karate or this is this energy guys just punch again Kicking would be the energy guys because they they picked that for a reason right you pick Giu-Jitsu you pick for a reason now you're picking because you know It's a very good self defense. We didn't know that all the way back before you see it before hoist graces Right, you just picked it because you don't like to get hit right and you like this part a lot That's most of the time in but then you start boxing boxing and boxing, you like to hit people. And those people are just differently wired.

You know, they don't care about getting hit themselves. So that's why at the beginning, when you had these Getsu guys coming into MMA, they needed to get used to getting hit while they're going for the submissions. Because if they go for a submission, but they get a hit in the face, well, that stops, of course,

the submission at that. So is there very interesting what you just said? So two questions. One, what compliments what? It's good to take this with this. That's what to take. Or it's good to start with this, then to go to this. And then I'll ask the next question for you. Are there arts that compliment each other? Very much. It's either you're a really good striker, you do wrestling, or you're a really good submission guy, you have wrestling, or you're really good

submission guy you have wrestling. Because if you have great wrestling, you decide what the fight is going to go. So, Chuck Ladell, really good take down defense, and it was just knocking people out, left their right, worked really good for him. You have Damien Maya, who's really good on the ground, who take down, takes people down, and submits him, still till this day, he will do that. You see, so it's all a combination. Wrestling should always be in the middle. Something that I actually sucked at as a fighter. I just became really good on the ground. It's like when you read my, I had like 42 submissions

because I was a different day, but I never took anybody down. So that means that they took me down. I reversed them. I would go for submission. Wow. You see, so. Very interesting.

Yeah, that's as complete. So even though you were not good at it, the moment they took you down, you had 42 submissions. Yeah, in total, 42 submissions. So you were you were you were good at it But you just how come you didn't do it if you were good at it? Oh No, I did for the wrestling. Um, why don't you take them down if you were good at it? Because I like to knock people out as well. Okay, so your your edge was this was your So so so I guess my second question for this will be you talk about your daughters, right? Where they're going and will you put them?

Like hey, what are you doing? No, congrats. This is the last time you'll see me here. You're just running a business I get that feeling sometimes. It's like you're paying about money. It's just a business model that they're creating How do you know that energy like my oldest son? He's more you know his energy is a different kind of an energy My younger son. he's more, you know, his energy is a different kind of an energy. My younger son, he's just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, he's just like, brrr, just like, he's like, you're moving constantly right now, he's always like that, he's always moving, right?

And, you know, so to him, he needs to get that, let that energy out. Do you match an art with the kid's energy? Or no, don't worry about it, just put him in there, it's gonna be all right. Well, maybe you should do the opposite, right? If you, normally the guy who's toned down, he will choose, choose Gigi-Zoo, but I will put him in boxing then, because then he takes a little bit from the boxing. You see, then you change a little bit, because it is good what he has, but it still

needs to change. You need to be angry, you need to be explosive at certain moments. Calmness is everything, but there needs to be also a fuse that you can set off right away, so you start firing. So the angry guy put him in. Giu-jitsu. Giu-jitsu. And the other guy put him in boxing. Yeah.

Very interesting. So Jennifer, if you're listening, Tiko's going to start taking boxing. But if they would choose themselves, then the low level guy will take Giu-jitsu and then the high level one. Naturally. Naturally they're going gonna want it. So you mix them up. So you...

I will mix them up, yeah, because what are your daughters taking right now? Nothing, I wish. They, you know, I can't force them, right? I mean, my youngest daughter, I should say that, but I take her to focus, she knows everything. And she will be really good. She's really tight. She's a hundred pounds.

But man, she can fight if she wants. You know, my oldest wife, she never really wanted it. She likes dancing and she likes other. How old are they? 26, just turned 26 and 21. And then I have a 34-year-old in Holland with a seven-year-old grandson with turned seven, yes. Happy birthday.

Congratulations. I have some follow-up questions on the daughters, by the way, but I don't want to skip over something that I think would be an important question. The conversation that you're having with bass about coaching versus natural talent, right? So you always hear like are entrepreneurs born or are they made? Are fighters born or are they made? What we're talking about is nature versus nurture, right?

What's more important, natural ability or coachability? It sounds like you're saying if there's a bunch of talented guys, coaching is the most important thing. I've seen you've turned ordinary people into extraordinary entrepreneurs, salespeople. I don't think it's a binary option. Like, you need to be coached, but you also need to have talent.

I don't think it's one or the other. In your experience, training thousands and thousands of salespeople in entrepreneur, what's the perfect mix? Natural ability, but then coachability, someone that doesn't have great ability, but they're willing to listen What's your opinion? Well listen if if like what he's saying? It's interesting if if you have the perfect mixture is a Kobe

The guy is like obsessed with the game of basketball But he's also got some ability natural abilities. I mean, that's like the perfect world, right when you have that if you have that Now you have somebody that can be one the greatest of all time. Not just, but you take somebody that's got natural, I got a lot of guys in a company that are naturally good salespeople, but they're just not obsessed. They're just kind of like winging it and they'll make half a million dollars. Then you got a guy that is obsessed with this game. They're just like constantly reading up student, coachable, wanting to learn. That guy's going gonna pass the natural guy. But if you got both combined, it's a scary thought, like for him.

That's again, yeah, it's the combination. Yeah. If you would think columnists and negotiating, it's all about columnists, because once you have ADHD or ADD, what I have, then you might start shooting everyone. Once you lose emotion, that's when you lose the whole deal, right?

Well, in sales, no question about it. So you got to kind of bring them down. But in, you know, like, like, poke it. Are you, are you some, did you, like, if did you ever coach with someone where, okay, let me ask the question in a different way, maybe. Who did you coach? Who was your coach?

I got the best at you. Was there somebody that could get the best at you more than somebody else? Because you seem critical. Like, even when you said, my daughter's got yellow belt and he comes up and says, congratulations, it's just for what?

You just gave it to them, didn't earn it. That means you're pretty critical of weak coaches. Who did you have that really got the best at you and how did that person get the best at you? You know, this is the thing, my whole career, I pretty much, I taught myself, I never had a coach. So my coach was in, my manager was in the corner, not a coach.

I had some classes of course with karate and all the way back and I would say that karate guy, Rola Johnson, he taught me the perfect technique, how to do it and understanding the body mechanics, but from that moment on, once I started competing in mixed martial arts, I never had a coach, I learned the ground game myself. I never had, I was just watching tapes and seeing it and then realized, wait a minute, I think I can make this better, I never had a co- I learned the ground game myself. I never had something. I was just watching tapes and seeing it

and then I realized, wait a minute, I think I can make this better. I would do just start rolling. Like I lost my last five away of submission because needless to say, I was a striker. You know, I knocked the first two guys out, third guy, yeah, he was not gonna stand with me, right? Took me down, one by submission he did.

Then I won a few more fights, but I knocked out, lost again by submission. Then I felt one of a few more fights and then I lost again by submission. My last loss was against Ken Sherman with a knee bar and Now it really started to piss me off now I go on like because I'm a sore loser and I go I have to learn this game So I stopped striking completely. I only did a type had she know to first time enough four times a week and the rest two three times a day only ground And what you know suddenly I became obsessed with it.

I mean, I became so crazy, I would wake up my wife in the middle of the night because I would dream a submission, I would put her in the submission, and I would ask her when her, oh, right, I got, come here honey, I need a burn, oh yeah, second. Oh, okay, that one worked, babe. It's a shoulder, right? Yes, it was shoulder, I would ride it down

and the next day I would go with it. Are you talking about moving serious about this? this 100% this just happened a bunch of times People walking the kitchen. I said lean over and I would I go for a joke It's how are you getting dizzy or does this hurt your throat she's having a dizzy. Yes. See it's a blood joke You know so I but I became obsessed with it the whole house was a little post-its But I never lost a fight anymore You know I lost my last fight my way of submission and I won my next eight fights by submission. People were freaking out in Japan, they go, what's going on?

Yeah, and one of those eight was submission control. I didn't finish him, but the other ones were all seven finishes by submission. You see, but that's what I tell people all the time, you know, everybody can do this. You just have to do it. Like I'm this guy, I'm super obsessed. I give this example always, hopefully, it will spark something to some people. I was a Karatika, so my hands are here, right? And I start my first time boxing class.

Well, I fought an A-class guy, which is a professional guy. He realized really fast that if he would hit my head, I would over commit with my, and I exposed my body. So I went out with a liver shot. That's where my love for the liver shot comes from, by the way, because people always ask about it's coming from my first time boxing class, the guy dropped me immediately. I went back home because my hands were here and I stood three and a half, four hours in front of the mirror.

I would drink a cup of tea, after 20 minutes, go back. And my wife at the time goes, you're insane, I go, no, that will never happen again. The next day I went back to the gym and I cleaned 85% of the gym out. And they thought I actually played a trick on them that I already knew how to box. I said, I spent like three and a half hours in front of a mirror yesterday. You see, so when I see a problem that I have,

I wanna fix it today. And if today is not gonna work, it will be fixed tomorrow. I'm very obsessive compulsive with that kind of stuff. But that's the point. So what just happened right there, that's, you can't teach that. That's what you can't teach. Certain, when you're saying like who was born,

who was, you know, made, you cannot teach obsessive personality. You cannot teach desire. Your desire can go higher by being around somebody that's got high desire. Your level of obsession can go higher by being around other people that are obsessed. But natural obsession, you either got it

or you don't have it. At least that's my opinion from my experience. Yeah, but natural obsession, you either got it or you don't have it. At least that's my opinion from my experience. Yeah, but you know, I think it came from, and that was very sick, you know, because I was, I wanted the biggest room in the house, which was the attic. It was really nice. Yeah, but if I had an asthma attack,

that was every five weeks, we can bet. Not able to eat because I couldn't breathe. So you can only imagine if I had got down and fly the stairs two, we four to five minutes, but I had to do it. And that happened every five weeks. So I had to go down and going up, two steps sitting down. Wrestling two steps up, sitting down.

You know, but that was pushing me, I think, too, if I want something, well, now I know I have to work for it. So all that stuff that I had, that I thought was a curse when I was a kid, it became a blessing. 100%. 100. 100%. 100%. 100%. 100%.

Because that's why I'm sitting here right now because I got bullied at all to this issue. I want to ask you a question about that exact topic right there. You said, you know, basically what you're saying, it sounds as the size of the dog and the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. You said at the beginning that when you were a kid, they called you the leper. Yeah. Right?

Because you had a lot of health issues, Lesky, you were bullied like crazy. Fast forward, 10, 20 years later, your known as El Guapo, the handsome one. So I'm all about self-improvement, just because where you're born in life doesn't mean where you need to finish. I feel like there's a lot of young men struggling today

with whether it's career, whether it's purpose, whether it's women, whether it's money, there's a lot of young men struggling. And it sounds like you were kind of in that camp when you were a teenager. What are the big, we're not fighting, but what are the biggest lessons that you've learned life advice from being the leper

and then turning until El Guapo? You know, finding out that it's done for a reason, you've been giving that by the Lord. He gave me that for a reason. Once you understand it, because, He said, what is the reason there? Well, I knew the friends that I had were real friends, because they didn't care about my skin disease.

Now I had real friends. You see, so it always has pluses. I was always by myself. I was always in the forest. I could climb the whole forest, treat up the tree tops, swing it over. Maybe five, six times had to get out, because it was too far, the trees were too far from each other,

but that's where all bioethnic abilities started. You see, so everything, when you go back in time, you go, wow, it was there for a reason. That's... As your mom or dad, like, who has your kind of energy? I would say my dad, but my mother, we find out now also, like with strength, like, she, on the front, we find out now also like with strength like she on front she said the stroke and she's in a special place, but her grip like if she grabs a bar,

then you're going to need a screwdriver in order to grip. Yeah, yeah, it's like she's incredibly strong with that. Oh, I don't. You have a grip as well or no? No, no, no, no, especially this hand, this hand, this hand is like at four next surgeries. So if you see this, you can tell she the whole bicep. Yes, yeah, at the whole biceps. Yes, yeah.

Atrophied here. How many surgeries you said? Four. Got it. I couldn't pull the trigger from a gun. That's how weak my hand was. So once I got my hand back, I was, I said, okay, I stopped complaining now.

But what I used to push myself through it, is that I have this axima everywhere. I would make a fist and pass with to my, it was disgusting. You know, I had to wear gloves the whole time long sleeve stool next. But I always knew and I did this as a kid that there are people way worse. They have that. What I have on my hands, their entire body. My asthma attack I had for a week. I knew that there were people who had that 365 days a year. So compared to them, it wasn't that bad. This is how I always work my own problems. Boss, how big is your hands? Can you put your hands here? Like, your fingers, those are... My fingers are long. Yeah, you got some... Yeah, that... So it's interesting, your

fingers are super long. Yeah. But then this part of your hand, palm is small, fingers are long. Yeah, so it's good for a great because you can go around very interesting. Yeah, yeah, did you did you did you see that I say I'll be as Hands are yes, but but this is this part is small the fingers are long so you can grip Please let's Don't make this personally Yes, but a more time, please, that is the long, it's not a paper. He's probably a heat-y over here. Phone of all.

Oh, shit. That's a lot of stuff. I just noticed that right now. I was waiting a minute. What was that all about? Yeah, the bouncer, I would do that. And then because I was like, as a guy, I would do this. And it would, first of all, I go, I'm doing this to make you laugh.

And then it would start laughing, you know, so there's no fight. Boss, I never know in a million years that I've vision doing this to boss. But now that I'm doing this and seeing your. Holy moly, very, so your dad, I wanted to. So your mom's grip, you said your dad was an energy guy. Was he a fighter or no, not really? Athlete World Trek and field guys. I was going to be actually the next bruised genner.

That was my, I wanted to be a Catholic. I was going Bruce. Not Kyle. It's going to be Bruce. Not Caitlin. No, at the, it's gonna be Bruce, not Caitlin. Yeah, at the time he was the 76th school member. I met him, I met him in the 90s. Yeah, so I wanted to do the Catholic.

I was going hard on my way. I was doing really well and a track of field needs to say, my running times were always the worst because of my asthma. But for the rest, everything, I was pretty good. So got it. So there were some genetics that came, your parents, mom, strength, and then that, you were gonna ask something.

Yeah, I'm gonna ask you. This is more of a question that it's for Pat, but it's also for the audience. You said you have two daughters, three. Okay, and you also have a, 34, 26, 20, right, or something like that. And you're showing some of your injuries. When you hear that Pat's asking you about his kids,

eight and 10, right? Or even your grandson and I'm seeing your injuries and I'm like, there's a lot of benefits from I used to do karate as a kid, right? And then I played football and basketball. What advice would you give to a guy like Pat with two sons or there's thousands of people watching in the audience with sons, even daughters?

Would you recommend that they get into fighting and even professional fighting? Or you're like, no, no, no, no, don't do what daddy did. Get into a normal career. No, I would do fighting, especially GGT suits, really good for your cognitive function, you know, problem solving thinking, you know, getting out of situations, really good for kitsch, you know, to put everything together. And boxing, I would put them on the boxing as well. So just that they've no, you know, how, what happens when you get hit?

It's just about that. You know, once you get hit in the face a few times, you're used to it. It's really for people, they always look at each other, oh, it looks so bad. Yeah, but once you do it every day, it becomes normal. Is it one of those things you would recommend like during middle school, high school

for shaping your adolescence? Or would you recommend them going down that path and trying to become the next bastard? Because there's a difference. Life lessons versus like, no, I am going for it. We've had Dustin Poirier here, and Michael Chandler, and I'm looking at your injuries like, there's a lot of benefits, but when you get to 50, 60 years old,

there might be some situations. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, it's super safe. This actually is not from fighting. This is from TV work, from fight scenes in the's super safe. This actually is not from fighting. This is from TV work from fight scenes in the TV show. Okay. That's how it happened. And fighting actually never got injured. This is how weird it sounds. You know, in pro wrestling, I started doing pro wrestling a few times. That's where I got injured the most. After my third pro wrestling match, my wife goes, why don't you go back to real fighting? I mean, you never got injured like this before because you

take the hits, you take the beatings, you know, because it's a script. You see what I mean? So, yeah, no, it's important to put kids on it just for confidence at least. I wanna tell you a story, which is interesting. I wanna see if this is the guy or not. Maybe it is, maybe it's not. So, I mean, Dallas, I buy these two ducatis.

You know, the ducati and Lamborghini collaboration that they did. And I'm talking. Yeah, I bought it here, but I first was talking to him about buying the next Tiavel. He started getting me all. I said, so Jeff, what's your story? I think this the guy's name is Jeff's as well. I was a professional ducati racer. And you know, I'm like, really? So how fast to 223? That's insane. I said, how do you get into this as well? I went to my mom and dad. I said, I want to buy motorcycle. They said, no, I said, listen, guys, you have to understand, I'm going to race professionally. If you don't buy me a bike, I'm buying myself a bike. Parents are like, when I buy a new bike, guess what happens? He bought his own bike. He bought his own bike. And he went and race professionally. And he went and he said, so

the point is, dude, if a kid wants to, if a person wants to fight, they're eventually going to get to a point to say, mom, dad, just so you know, I'm going to fight. I'm going to race. I'm going to build a business. I'm going to join the army. I'm going to go into Hollywood. There's a, there's a obsession draws a person, especially strong personality type of people. And then parents eventually sit there and say, hey, what are we gonna do? Shit, we can't do nothing, we can't hold this guy back right now, you gotta kinda let him go.

So there's a part of it where it's like, hey, go do this and then there's a part of it that's like, whatever they want. Yeah, you never know what they want. And then the more you protect it from it, the more they wanna do it. You're like, you can't touch that door and ever go in there, hey, let's go find out

what the hell is in that door. It's kinda like one of those situations. How do you deal with that as a parent, though, Pat? Like, Sim, for instance, you kind of let me tell you, you secretly like it because at least for me, I like it because it's shown me that my my boys and my daughters, they got strong personality, like daddy. I want a little bit of that. Like, you know, I want them to say that. I'm telling you, I'm doing this with like my son. I'll give you an idea of my 10 year old. Do you know, next time you go to the house, tell him, Patrick, I got you a bunch of strawberries,

especially from Germany, the best kind of strawberry. Good luck getting Tico to eat any kind of fruit. Let me tell you, if I tell him, I'll give you $1,000 if you eat the strawberry, the kids not gonna eat it. You know how much I respect that? If I tell him $10,000, he does not give a shit. That kid doesn't eat fruit.

To me, that's a strength of a character of the kid. There's a part of it where it's like, no man, this is what I like, this is what I don't like. So if Tiko later on is 28 years old, he's gonna do what he wants to do. Whether he does some stupid or not, it's because he wanted to do that stupid thing or not. As long as they don't wanna do it

because you want resentment. Because I have these fighters and they have sons and they're fighting and all eyes are on the sons. Is he going to be the next guy? I think it's too much pressure. And also when my daughters would fight, like I'm more nervous in the fight

if my students are fighting, then when I fight myself, because once you drive yourself, you know, you're behind the steering wheel, you can control everything. But if you can't control, you have to give it out your hands, it's kind of scary. But by the way, you said yourself, you know, you're behind the steering wheel, you can control everything. But if you can't control, you have to give it out of your hands. It's kind of scary. By the way, you said once, you said you would rather you think it's safer to do a bare knuckle spike than with gloves. I mean, that's the to the average person like bass, what are you talking about? Bare knuckles is safer than gloves. Why would you say that? CTE-wise, yes. Because bare knuckles, the glove got invented because to protect the hand.

Right. We all, a lot of people think the head is not because people were breaking their hands in boxing in the past. World champion, Brogus Hans, can't defend this title now. You see, so then we got to come up with something. So then it came up with the glove. Now we became very dangerous. That's why boxing is still at the highest rates of people dying because the boxing glove got that you hit as hard as you can. Mike Tyson, every street fight he was in, right? He broke sand. You see, pretty much every street fight he was in. He broke his hand, but he perfectly wrapped.

Now it's a freaking weapon. So in barren circle boxing, the great barren circle boxes, what they do, they ease up on the head. Because if you had the skull, well, those little tiny bones are gonna lose. You know, and you remember the hard times movie with Charles Bronson, you know, when the hit, you just did this the, you just did this and hit the forehead. Oh, you break your hands. You see, so that's why there's the glove. So CTE wise, brain wise, and you can read any test out

there. I'm 100% right because they hold back on the power on the head. They go for the body. You have lacerations, all that kind of stuff. And bleeding. But that's just a flesh wound, right? That's what they say. It says just blood. But I'm talking about the brain. Keep the brain healthy. I think bare-knuckle boxing. No, I know bare-knuckle boxing is actually safe. So that's the case. Why, why is it in UFC going to bare-knuckles? Is it because of regulations with the state of Nevada, wherever they're fighting? Well, I think what you're going to have is like in panic situation because it's what Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a game plan until they get hit right? That's the same thing.

So now you go, oh, you're going to hit, you got to light up on the face, but now you get in trouble and you start swinging for the fences. If you're swinging for the fences, you might connect, but if you connect the wrong way and you hit a skull, you break your hand. Now this guy, if you want a title, he can defend this title for quite a bit because he has to first heal everything you see. So that's why I think and also for the people, you know, like bleeding, people are freaking out with blood. And most of the time, the guy goes back to his corner and he's blood everywhere, they wipe him off and he realizes this little tiny cut that just pumps out

because your heart beat goes like 170, 160 beats a minute and it looks bad. But it's just like this. Did you see the last one? Michael Chandler fight with Dustin Portiate. Did you see that fight? No, okay, there was, I don't, that was like, I, if you Michael Chandler fight with Dustin Portier? Did you see that fight? No. Okay, there was, I don't, that was like,

I, if you type in that fight with blood, just type in Michael Chandler, Dustin Portier, and then blood, that's all you gotta put, blood. It's, it's, it's, Chandler was bleeding pretty bad. Oh, no, it's not even funny, like he's on top of him, and the blood is spilling on Dustin's face. Yeah.

Like it was absolutely na that's not it anyway. So it was pretty intense when you were seeing this. The fight between these two guys. Do you follow a lot of USC? You watch it? I do. I do, but I travel a lot as well. So I missed the last one. We were in California. I just so do the traveling. Who do you like to watch? But it's anybody. I know you're, you know, all of them right now. I mean, I really do. You know, it's very hard to pick a few names. I like John Jones to come back. I would really like to see.

I think he could be the greatest of all times. I mean, he lost once, but that was really a loss. Right? That was not a loss. Yeah. So, so and the guy is just a freaking nature and then fighting at heavy weight. Oh, sign me up, you know, and with this reach and I think it's going to be a great fight against the Gano.

If that's going to happen, John Jones, you know, there is talking about, yes. Let me tell you, that is insane. I ain't paper view. Yeah. Who's favorite in that fight? John. He thinks of his take on the heavyweight champion. The world right now. John is, I'm listening. Go ahead. Yeah. No. Yeah. Like you said, and Gano grew a lot. He's doing the bank system now. Bosswood and inspired Bangmui Tai. You know, his footwork, he went to extreme putur that's where they teach that system. So his footwork, you saw him getting much better,

switching stance, he's doing all that stuff. They started getting inside the set, go for take downs, that's what he did. The guy on the against guy. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, but still to stop a take down from John Jones, you know, it's gonna be hard, he's such a great wrestler. And John Jones, You know, it's going to be hard. He's such a great wrestler.

And John Jones, you know, he might from the first start, whoops, shoots in and take him down right away. And once that's in his head, he's going to be, you know, it's going to be hard for him to throw a punch because he's going to, once you throw a punch with power, you have to plant your feet, right? And once you plant your feet, well, you set yourself up for a take down.

And they know that. So if Jones comes out, they immediately takes him down. Well, he sets the tone of the fight. Now he's making him worried. So what if I got him connects fights over? Yeah, what I like about how we fought Cyril Gannon when when Francis bottom, everybody said it's just going to be a standup, but he beat him on the ground, which was not super smart. Kind of like what you did. You're like, Hey, you don't think I can do it. I'm gonna go on the next eight to show you that I can win on the ground. And it was, I'm, listen, of course, this guy's punch. He was here just three months ago on the

final. Yes. Five months ago. He's an animal. But he's massive. No, but John Jones, the John Jones is in the discussion of the greatest of all time. By other great. So they call him the great other greats. Call him the greatest of all time by other greats. So they call him the great other greats call him the greatest. Yeah. Which that's when you know you're you're doing. I just have one question regarding John Jones versus Nagano. How much bigger and heavier is Nagano than Jones?

Probably at their 30, 30, 40 pounds. When he's got that, Nagano will probably be 265 on the day of the fight But he will no of the day of the fight probably to 70 75 so if you're talking 30 40 pounds I mean how much of a difference is that make you're talking about a lightweight fighting a heavyweight in essence No, I thought no weight classes right my my fights in Japan were no weight classes for every You know, do you know how much you fought? How much heavier he wasn't him? How much big was he then? 65. Yeah. For the guy to 65. How much? Okay. Seven. Two of seven against two 65. 60 pounder. So wait, doesn't make that much of a doubt. You don't want to get hit. You know, but so what you slip you, you know, you make sure that you don't get hit. People always said, well, I never had an eight count. I

never went down. I never was knocked out. You know, and they said, so you don't like to get hit. I said, I don't mind to get hit. But why would I let myself get hit if I can't avoid it? I mean, it's simple, right? So just to clear the air, I don't like getting hit, right? Is that what you're saying? No, I said nobody likes to get hit. Right.

I don't mind to get hit because I know I have a hard hat. I mean, they, oh, no, they hit a Coca-Cola bottle like a big one on my head. And it didn't break. I didn't go down, you know, baseball bat with a nail in it. I my head, and it didn't break. I didn't go down. You know, beige bulb I would nail in it. I didn't go down. And noonshuck, I didn't go down. So I know I have a hard head, you know?

Well, this kind of is against what you're saying about coaching. Like, you could, I don't know how much coaching it takes to get a baseball bat over the head. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, head. No, no, no, that's some natural ability. That's a natural ability. I don't think yeah. Being in really good shape will help you also with that. Always being a big performance. Like that was one of my things. That was always in great shape. And I could keep going.

So you wedded the storm for the first four minutes and then they get tired because they're big. And that's the difference with then and now because now you got Angano, who just fights five rounds easy. You know, they're in shape. And they're freaking. That giant saying.

It is. Because he has the same long volume that I have. And the same hard that I have, only he's got way more parts. Boss, I know you're being diplomatic, but I want to ask a guy like you, okay. To see if you open up and kind of say this a little bit or not. In your eyes, okay, this is your world,

from your POV, top five, greatest of all time fighters. Don't forget about you can put pride, you can put Bellator, you can put UFC, you can put anything. Who do you put us? Top five. Horace Grayson needs to be in it. You know, I don't look at the last fights. What he did for MMA, Sakuraba beating four graces. He should be in it, Fedor Milinenko, he should be in it, Ronda Rousy should be in it. Really, Ronda Rousy. Because she changed the world. Game changers. She was the one that, you know,

so all these things when they talk about the Mount Roque more, it's a very hard-to-enjoctioned year. I mean, there are such a freak athletes right now. And they're all good, everywhere. Like with me, I was just good on the ground and standing and I had a boatload of stamina, but now everybody has that and they're way better wrestlers than I was.

So the level is much hot. You're not putting yourself in the top five? No. No. Listen, and always say, and they say top hundits, I always say this. And I mean this for the bottom of my heart. If I'm in the top thousand, I'm a very happy man. Because we got 7.8 billion people on the planet. I'll take the

world. Is there anyone you enjoy watching? Like you know, like you say, did you watch the Dustin fighting against Michael Chandler? Like no, I was on a flight. Is there anyone where you're like, I'm not missing that guy fighting? Well, that you just mentioned it to guys, you know, no, John Jones, but also Chandler always actually and perier always action, you know, you have a Tony Ferguson always, the guys who always put it on the line and you don't mind to get knocked out or win by knockout. So you must like, Diaz as well.

Yeah, because they just go and they bring it, you know, the worst thing from a fight, what I believe, you know, because I had a lot of guys who were really good and they wouldn't pull the trigger and I know that they can win. I know that, but they're holding back, they're holding back, they're holding back. And if you come out of a fight and you're not tired and you lost the fight to go, that's on you, you know, but if you give everything that you have and then you lose, at least you know where you are. You see, because I gave it my all, it's time to go back to the door and board to start

trading. Boss, you, so you, you fought a lot of different guys and a lot of different places. Pancras, it doesn't matter where you're in. Who did you get hit by where you're like, holy shit? I didn't know this guy hit this hard. Hit. Not wrestling. I'm not talking Ken Shamrock. I'm talking like packed a punch where you felt it.

Only in training I had never in a fight. I had a Pedro Hizo. He hit me one time that I thought, it's good. He know that I saw white, and then I just acted my way out of it. And he's got also, and I just can clean with that. He almost got me with a liver shot also,

with his freaking heavy legs that he has, and he kicked me hard. And then my answer was, because first of all, I looked at the clock right away, how much time do I have left, and I start throwing up, purpose a lot of crosses, which is something you never wanna do because you're're exposing yourself and he might hit you there again. But for him,

I paint a picture that he would be hurt. He would never throw that part. It's the edit work. He didn't hit me there anymore. I was so happy that I survived that run. So he was the one that you right there. Better he's a UC champion. So He's got such a heavy hands and kicks his kicks. I mean, he thought Kevin Reynoldsman as well. And if you see Kevin's leg after the fight, I mean, you hit it and it goes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The full with blood.

You know one of my favorite fights I saw was a random and against Fador. Oh, that fight is, I mean, obviously a lot of people say that, but that was a snap fight. I get not at the top of my head. No, that was, obviously a lot of people say that, but that, but that was in that fight. I get not at the top of my head. No, that was after he knocked out Krokup, right? So he knocks out Krokup. He fakes a take down boom, Krokup out.

Then he fights Fedor next and he suplexes him on his head, like a hope, praise my crazy. I thought we have the first death. I mean, on his neck and a Fedor. But by the way, here's what I want to do. Hey, and Malik, Eric, in the back, if you, I always, you know what I always like to say? I like to see the reaction of people seeing it for the first time.

I don't want you to show it on the screen, so the audience doesn't see it. And I don't want you to show audio. I just want to see Adam's reaction when he sees this happen. It's a two, you know what I'm talking about. Let me just pull this up. I'm gonna send it to you,

and I want you to see this reaction of Adam. And because you're going to say, I'm telling you right now, you're gonna say, you think the guy died. You think fate or died. Do you agree with this? Like, I think it's like, I do want this one's that I have.

I just send it to you, pull it up. A row and a twin injection when he slams him, that one was a scary one, there, right? I'm just asking. No, no, you see this. I just send it to you, it up a roll and and and Quinten Jackson when he slams him that wasn't a scary one There, I know you see this I just send it to you if you want to pull it up It's just yeah, just put Randleman. That's right. And remember guys don't don't play this. I don't want the audience I'm gonna watch her right here. Just for us make it bigger so he can see it Yeah, so so this this And by the way if you later on you ought to watch us on your own just to kind of see the audience now go back a little bit no no no no no yeah, go back go go let it let her play just leave it alone leave it alone watch this. Okay, so they're doing what they're doing it's easy and fade or is

fake man random and I miss him he was such an animal. The random man is a human specimen. Oh, okay. Watch what he does. Watch what he does right here. Oh, this is not it. It's not it. It's gonna be my twers. No, you're going to think he broke his neck. Yeah, it's, I had two more instances that I thought was also

Bob's epa nogera. That was one. He piled right them into the ground. They go, whoa. Did you ever, did you and Fator ever do anything or no? No, no. Here we go. Here we go.

Did you see that? To go back again, go back again, we go back again and see that again. Right there. Just let us see. Okay, watch this again. Oh my God. I didn't see a chiropractor. Well, then you have a fast forward 40 seconds. Fast forward 40 seconds. Go to the end. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Armour, Kimura. Yeah,

right there. Let it go. Watch what happens here. Yeah, it's gonna go for the Camaro. How quickly flips on him. Yeah, goes underneath there we got it. It's over, yep, it's over. He wins the fight. He ends up winning the fight. He could have had a broken neck, but he ends up winning the fight in an armed war. This guy, no, no,

Garra versus Bob Sap. Like Bob Sap came in like 340, muscle, 10% body fat, like a freaking nature. You know who Bob Sap is? Yeah. Pull up Bob Sap so he like 340, muscle, 10% body fat, like a freaking nature. You know who Bob Sap is? Yeah. Pull up Bob Sap so he knows what Bob is. The audience needs to see what Bob Sap looks like. Go ahead, keep going.

I warned Sap. So don't get us to sit on him and he grabs around his waist. Bob Sap does, and he lifts him up and he piles drives him. Big boy, right? Into the ground. Yeah, I go, okay, this is. Size of this character. This is not going to be good.

So you and Fator never did anything? No. That was a talk about, you know, for a moment, but I started training. It was after seven years I didn't compete. And two weeks in, my injury started coming back, and I said, I can't do it. I was going to try it.

I would have been so. It would have been great. For me, it was just for me, can I survive this fight? I just wanted to see if I can go to this with Fiki Fator, was the Fiki man at the time, 28 wins in a row. He was something, and he was slaughtering everybody. The way he plays his mind games, you know, you're on the ground, and it looks like he's sloppy, but he's all doing that for a purpose.

You know, you think, oh, he's just a boop, and he got you. It's a funnier smart man. A question, like some of these guys I've heard of, some of them I haven't heard of, we're at a point in society today where we're in the eyeball economy, the attention economy, the more followers and eyeballs you get, the better your brand.

I mean, we saw what happened with Conor McGregor and he's a beast regardless, even if he didn't talk. But the fact that he talked so much, it's just so amplified Now you've got like sort of the reincarnation of McGregor with this guy paddy-banny, right? How much of an influence in like his split decision or he actually won Was because he's such a big figure such a public figure that they they want someone with that much possess to continue winning

Do you see what happened with his fight this weekend? A lot of people are saying that he didn't win. Yeah. But, you know, it's like if you're going to beat a guy who like they want you, they want to kind of be up there. You got to win convincingly. I guess what are your thoughts on just someone with this a massive personality and how they operate today?

Well, he needs to keep on training really freaking hard. You know, I never went saying things about my opponent because the more you say that you're going to do the more pressure you put on yourself because guess what? Everything you're saying, they will show that on a big screen when you come out and you hear yourself saying, oh, this guy's nothing. I'm gonna slice him up. I'm gonna joke. I'm gonna do this. And now you're walking to the ring and you're going like, shit, I better do it. You see so you put unnecessary pressure on your shoulders.

That's what I always believed. So I try to stay away from, I stare down, so I don't like to look in the eyes. I'm a hot-hat. You know, if he tries to do something, I'll go and I get angry. Once you lose control, you lose the fight. You know, you need control anger.

You know, you need to be calm at all times. I had this coach in my last fight who came to me just before the fight I went out. And he took me to the, he said, can I talk to you outside? He goes, I got sure. And he says to me, listen man, this guy tries to take food away from your family. I go, stop right there. It's what he means. I said, I don't need this talk. This is why I know that's because it makes me angry. I don't want to be angry. I want to control it. You know, once you make your angry, instead of hitting like this, you're hitting, you're loaning up because, and you're telegraphing. So you want to be as calm as possible.

I think that equally skilled fighters, the guy with the most control is always going to win. Gotcha. Are there those that do better being angry? Are there those that perform better angry? Yeah, I, but, Vatelay Silva, I made a whole freaking career out of it. A lot of machine, you know, I don't like, you know, but sound perfectly technical, not so much. You want to clinch with them? Do not clinch with the guy.

He's going to knock you out and everything hits. And it might need to be super technical, but he can aim, dude. I mean, everything lands on the button. So, you know, and he's super aggressive. He just comes one speed, full speed. That's it. But a really good fight. I never got this, you know, in the World Foulette Tourer Championships over in Brazil, he got

beaten by a boxer. This is all the way back before he became big. And the boxer was just using angles and footwork and just picking them apart from the outside. And I go, nobody saw that fight. Why would you roll the dice against the guy like that? You put them against Michael Chandler, both of these guys are the same. Now literally whoever gets hit first is going to win.

But if you smart, just engage you at the same thing, you literally whoever gets hit first is going to win, but if you smart, just engage you at the same thing. That's a fighter always exciting. But, finally, I almost want to say thankfully, but that's a bad thing to say. He got knocked out twice. And that made him a better fighter. Then he started taking... Yeah, you see. And I told him way before, because you used to fight for the world's use of fighting, And I was the commentator for that. I said, dude, stop that fighting style. You know, you want to be able to talk to your kids, weren't you have kids? You know, this is, it's going to hurt you eventually.

Yeah, but the fans love it. I said, they don't care. You, you, you lose three fights and you're nobody anymore. That those fans, you really fighting for those fans. Be smart, you know? And, and then when you got knocked out, suddenly he started listening to travel with and his coach was a incredible coach And and now he became a better fighter because of it

Can I give you a little bit of maybe a different perspective? This is not my world. I'm just I'm posing devil's advocate here. This is not Adam. This is me just sort of What would you say to somebody that says? All right, Bass. I hear what you're saying. Be stoic, don't get emotional, don't talk trash. What would you say to the person that was like, well, Bass, that was maybe in your time in the 90s, but today in 2022, it's all about eyeballs. If you look at what like Jake Paul is doing,

trolling people, McGregor, patty the batty, the list goes on. They might say, well, it's probably even more important than ever to run your mouth and talk smack and be a troll. What would you say to those people? I would say look at failure million ago, right? There was a magazine in Japan where you have like 40 pictures of all the same facials expressions

and says, failure happy, failure set, failure angry, you know, like he never had an expression. Never said anything bad, never did anything, but everybody wanted to see him fight because he was just that good. You know, it's very mysterious to have a guy with note tattoos, no profanity, no nothing was the perfect guy, you know, very nice, very respected, and then once in the ring, he'll just destroy people. I think that guys like that will pull a lot of fans to them as well.

Now, a lot of people try that, but they're just not on that level. Did you have a brother? What's the fate of Alex? And Alex also fought, no? He also fought. Is that famous thing against George Thompson when George Thompson stands in front of him like, I just started shaking and he looks at the wall, his eyes back like this at the stair down.

The Alex, by the way, if you have to choose between who you want to fight, go to Alex's picture, go to, yeah, but watch, watch that first thing. Is that against Thompson, the top one? Yeah, watch the stair down when Thompson starts shaking. And I'll watch Alex the way he reacts. And that could have been the moment he won the fight already. Yeah, I remember this. When you go all the way to the, to the, the stair down.

And I got to see he's all the way to the to the to the stand down See he's all shaking Behind him his brothers right behind him, but Alex is You go this this guy's like a street brawler like you can tell oh you don't want to mess with that guy This is the guy you don't want to mess with. Well, Fader would say it. Fader would say that he, my brother beats me up. Have you ever seen his brother fight? No, but the fact that he's a little kind of out of shape and sloppy, that doesn't mean anything. Oh, that doesn't mean anything.

No, that's like a Fader. I mean, everybody goes, I want to have some, all that time that you spent on your stupid way training and looking good, those guys are actually using the same time to get better in fighting. Forget about that stupid stuff. Do it three times a week with a lot of repetitions explosive. And then I say, yeah, it's lighter weight, but still, I would do 80 kilograms, I would do

30 repetitions. That's still a hundred and 180 pounds. You just do a more repetitions. You still get strong, but it's not about being muscle and looking good. Too many guys focus on that. I go focus of fighting. That's what the people went. So abs are overrated when it comes to fighting.

Oh, I'm a chiseled. So like when you look at like Tyson Fury, I mean, he doesn't have the ideal body type, but that just guy just wins and wins and wins. For boxing though, he's got this crazy reach, he's crazy tall, and he's distance. You see, there you crazy reach, he's crazy tall. Yeah. And he's distance. You see, there you go again. He controls the distance.

It's very, very hard to look up. So the fact that he doesn't have the ideal body type is not that make of a concern. Are you trying to say Tyson Fury doesn't have a six back in that picture? No. Well, say you do a face. I love that guy. I love that guy. I don't know.

When you get on a podcast, I never thought I'd give the middle figure to frickin' fast route. But I dare I am doing a middle finger face off. You know what also a part of him is family lineage, family. Like his dad is like that whole, you know, the, it didn't you say, did you say something to Fury? You made a comment to the son or what was the story about yourself with Fury and Jake Paul or he had trouble the coaches had problem to come to America when he went to the box right and I said I'll be his coach

because I just love that family. I mean I love what Tyson Fury does you know if you just became a world champion grab the microphone away from the ringspeaker and you start singing a love song to your wife. How cool is that and to get a sense there were like 12 years old in I mean that's cool. There's something very, very genuine about the guy. I can't stop watching this guy, but the brother, Tommy Fury, we talked about Jake Paul earlier. What was your involvement? I think that's what Pat was asking you. Did you offer to corner Tommy Fury?

Yeah, that's what he said. That's what he said. That's what he said. Yeah, that's the situation when you can't come out. If you want to come to train here in America, that's what was the talk, you know, I would welcome him with open arms. You know, I would love to train a guy like that. Is that a conversation that's actively being taken place or it's more of a force of the nut? Yeah, listen, they have Tyson Fowl, his coaches, they're doing really well. So I mean, look at Tyson's body and the way that he

looks versus Tommy, Tyson's way more accomplished. Meanwhile, you have this kid who's chiseled, good looking, but I don't know if he's accomplished anything. Is that sort of a facade is good body? Well, we don't know. We're going to have to figure that out. You know, it's all about the regains once you start destroying people. It's not, you know, you have guys looking freaking awesome in UFC and killing everybody, but then you have guys who look really great and who would be favored or who do you think would win with Tommy Fury versus Jake Paul if they fought today? You see that's a hard one now because I got to give the props. Yeah, I got to give the props to To Paul right Jake? Oh, I mean he he really I start really to like this guy and the reason I like him is because

The speech that he made after the time when Ruth Lee knocked out, he started talking about, listen guys, you got to microphone and, you know, I never understand I was a bully, but I realized now because I started boxing and so many, it's training is so hard, I think it to the next level, you know, I realized I was an asshole, I was a bully and you know, and now it's stopped and I'm, I want to be positive to the people.

And I go, wow, you see him running and he's doing everything, you know, and BJ Flores is his coach, is a friend of mine. And, but he's, everything that he says he was going to do and he's doing everything, you know, and BJ Flores is his coach, is a friend of mine. But he's everything that he says he was going to do, he's doing. I mean, I don't know, so, Silve, and I go, if everybody was, and I was thinking to add, somebody's going to win this fight, but still, he beat him. You know, yes, he's older, but he beat him, you know, so you gotta give props to a guy like that. He's not running. Right. You know, and he wants to fight everybody.

You think he would beat Fury? No, I know, and you think there would be fury. No, I'm saying it's a hard one to call, but I've never seen fury fight to tell you this was. So I just need to see that. But the willingness and the heart that Jake Paul has right now, you know, his breathing could be better, the always, but I always look at the breathing but he will get even more stamina.

It's a hard one because he hits hard, he's not knocking people out, left and right. I mean, hanging with freaking Anderson Silva should say it all. Yeah, no matter what the age is, this guy, he's, you know what he's doing right now, which is very interesting with Jake Paul. He's baptizing a lot of people, not in the ring. I'm not talking like he baptized, he got knocked him out.

He's converting a lot of people into liking him and believing in him, which is kind of interesting interesting you never thought it was gonna happen with him But it is happening with them boss the dangers of of of MMA boxing How many how many how dangerous is the game in regards to people actually dying in the game of MMA? Almost no zero almost no. Yeah more why more boxing than it is in MMA because boxing every boxing training You do a lot of sparring and guess what 90% of the punches go to the head, you know So you take a lot of punch in the sparring already boxing also the extreme weight cuts Also take the fluids in your brain away, which are there for a reason to you know the cushion the the airbag

So to say the water bag in this case So but everything is focused on the head. In MMA, you say, oh, yes, they had a hard sparring session in striking. Let's go wrestle today. Let's go to submissions today. You see, you can switch in between. You're still a shape.

You're still can use it for the fight. Have you followed the story of Sugar Ray Robinson and is it Jimmy Doyle? Do you know that story? No. Do you know the story, Sugar Ray Robinson and Jimmy Doyle? This is very, very interesting. So this is a Jimmy Doyle. Do you know that story? No. Do you know the story? Sugar Ray Robinson and Jimmy Doyle. So it's very, very interesting. So this is a fight back. If you can Google this, sugar Ray Robinson and Jimmy Doyle go to go to go to all and see what you're this fight was zoom in zoom in. Go to the day these guys fought in Cleveland. The

father there is go back right there. they fought in Cleveland June 25th 1947 so here's what happens sugar Robinson is fighting Jimmy Doyle the night before sugar ray Robinson goes to sleep has a nightmare that he punches Jimmy Doyle with a left hand left punch and he kills him do you know this story so he comes in the morning sugar races I don't want to fight this guy to the pastor, Catholic priest. Yeah. He says, why? He says, last night, I had a nightmare that I killed him. He says, what are you talking about? So I'm telling you, I don't want to fight this guy. I'm afraid I'm

going to kill this guy. So they fight. Sugar, he hits him with a left punch, okay? Falls to the ground, goes to the hospital, the guy dies. Geez. You didn't know this? No. The guy dies. By the ground, goes to the hospital, the guy dies. Geez. You didn't notice? No. The guy dies. By the way, when you hear him telling the story sugar ray, when he's telling the story, he's crying telling the story. The guy Jimmy was planning on taking that money to buy a house for his mom from the fight. When Jimmy dies, sugar ray feels so bad the next four fights

he gives all the money to Jimmy's mom. Wow. And and Sugar Ray for the rest of his life. He's afraid to throw the left when he's fighting people. Yeah. You hear these types of stories sometimes. You're like, man, I and you hear it more in the boxing world than you hear about it in the MMA world. Did the ones that died were always companies that didn't have all the checks, you know, like some companies somewhere where they didn't have CAT scans and all that stuff because they will get hit. And then if I'm not later, that the guy had a week of school, and it's sports that were very weak, you know, so and the UFC Bellator, all these companies, they have so such a thorough body checks that it's okay. Yeah, only then I ask is because what's more dangerous to get into face?

I mean, you've got a punch or a kick or a knee. It's got to be the kick of course. That's what I'm saying, right? So if you got a knee or a kick and how come no one in UFC has died from a neory kick, but they have a boxing? It blows me away. And especially if you get kicked by like a guy like Miracle Croakup, who did I say,

why you should kick so strong? What is the trick? He says, I do after a workout a thousand kicks every time. A thousand kicks. You know what I'm saying? Bruce Lee used to say, he says, I'm not worried about the guy who knows 10,000 kicks. I know I'm worried about the guy who knows one kick, but did the 10, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I've just, I see, it's never good enough. Crocaf one time is in it by the way, Crocaf's humor was, he had a sense of his personality.

Did you see what I did with him in Maro Anello? No. Oh, Maro Anello. So, this is a fun story. Maro Anello is a really great commentator, right? He's doing the showtime boxing, he's doing ballatory, he's doing WWE, he's doing it all. I actually put him in the business. I met him a long time ago and I said,

dude, you got a talent and then when I was looking for a new commentator in Pride, I said, I hope his number works because it was four years ago and I put him in there. Can you pull him up? Can you pull him up? Go for it. So everybody's afraid a little bit and Crocup

only wanted to be interviewed by me always. Whatever reason there was. And he's facing Ron Waterman at the time. And while we would do with the commentators, I would then I would take Miracle Croco as the interview and then he would do Ron Waterman for the interview, the prefights. So Ron Waterman comes in because I set this whole thing up and he goes to the table and I sit down and I start interviewing Ron Waterman. So after he walks out, suddenly I go like, oh, shoot, I go, what? And he goes, what, what?

I said, dude, I interviewed one of the modern men. What do you mean? What do you mean? I say, you would have to interview a croak up now. No, no, no, no, I don't want to croak. But that was the whole setup. And I went to croak up and I said, man, pull me through the ringer. You know, when he starts, you got to see it.

It's on mind me. Film that. Is it really? Oh, he got it on though. Is it something we can watch it? Because if it's like a main network if we pull it They may know it's a YouTube clip. It's a YouTube clip. It's tomorrow Rinell Michael Kroko punk's tomorrow, Rinellau I was the brain behind it because I want to say it because I'm very proud of that one See if you can find this one because I've very proud of that one. So if you can find this one, because I've seen, I've seen Krocop

in one of the interviews, there it is, I found it. In one of the interviews where they say, hey, so Krocop, why do you have that black eye? Well, it was a scratch or something, he had on his face. This is what happened there as well. It was last night at a few friends over. And they said, really, what kind of friends,

these two ladies were over. Because that's what happened. It was a rough night. at a few friends over. And they said, really, what kind of friends, these two ladies were over. That's what happened, it was a rough night. That's rough night. And he said, and he said, and Joe, he says, you think this is bad, you should see that. That's good.

It was very interesting. So this guy, Sancy Humor, was, and his left kick was a vicious, vicious left kick. By the way, boss, do you follow soccer? Are you a soccer player? Yeah, I don't want to build championships coming to European. So are you following the World Cup or no? Yes, I was following it. Did you, were you following the story about Messi and the coach

from Netherlands, like do you know the story behind it, the back story of what happened or no? No, don't know. Are you following it at all or no? I saw something about Messi. Let me tell you, I thought it was so frick. So the match ends Netherlands loses to Argentinian. I don't know if you saw that or not. And then he goes up and he celebrates right in front of

what he called it, right in front of the coach. The coach of Netherlands, Luis Van Gogh, who was a legend in the soccer world, there's a legendary coach. And he goes to him and he says, you talk too much, you didn't see that part? No, it's pretty epic. So he goes to him and says, you talk too much

and everybody's there looking at Mexico. Because Messi typically doesn't have a temper like this. Messi's been very angry. So apparently the story behind Luis Van Gogh is back in 2002, Van Gogh becomes a coach of Barcelona and at that time they have this player that comes in who his name is Riquel May, who Riquel May Van Gogh asked him to play out of position. Van Gogh says I'm not going to play out of position. Anyways he couldn't stand Riquel May and Riquel May when he would score a goal he would

come up and go like this. So when Messi scores goal, he goes right in front of Van Gogh's bench and he goes like this to him, saying to Rekelme because prior to the game, the coach Van Gogh said, if you go to a penalty shootout, we're gonna beat him his week and he says, Messi doesn't play defense.

Anyways, it was amazing to see how Messi remembers the revenge from 20 years ago because Rekelme was his captain and he's seeking vengeance for Rekelme against the coach 20 years later. 20 years later. I can elephant. Yeah, it's like an elephant, exactly. So who do you think is going to win?

Are you following anyone to see if it's going to be France, Morocco? I think Argentina is playing, are they playing Morocco? France versus Morocco. France, Morocco, Argentina against Croatia. Yeah, France, Morocco. I mean Argentina. Our Argentina against Croatia. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, France, Morocco. I mean, Morocco is doing really well right now. So I don't know, you know, it would be cool.

They never got it, right? The Dutch, right? We went three times to the finals. The team that went the most time to the finals were never won. Yeah. So they call Netherlands the greatest a world cup team ever that never won.

Yeah. You guys, they put teams together, but it's like stocked in a balloon or Charles Barkley. But these guys, listen, these guys are actually like, they deserve to have won. And it's unfortunately, you know, in the world of competition, and you can say these are all you want. But you know, it's whoever takes it.

Yeah. And in soccer, it's not necessarily the best team that wins, because it's only one game. It's a very technical game. There's luck involved. There's a lot of things involved in it. I saw it just on that movie 83. Did you see that one? The Indian movie when they won the World Championships in cricket. They never won even the first game ever. They won one time, but it was a team that they put last minutes of the contest was never considered to win. And then they went in and they started saying that they were going to win this time.

And everybody was literally laughing at the press conferences and they went in and they started saying that they were going to win this time and everybody was literally laughing at the press conferences and then went all the way. It's so exciting. By the way, do you know the biggest sporting, do you know the biggest sporting event in the world? Do you know what's the most viewed? I would guess the world cup. It's cricket. I want to say India against Pakistan, 225 million people watched it.

Oh wow, the entire country. Yeah, they watched the whole thing. Yeah, I mean, you tell my 225 million people this.. Oh, wow. The entire country. Yeah. Watching the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about 225 million people. This, how many people watched the Super Bowl? 104 million. So it's running laps around the Super Bowl. Oh, and by the way, believe it or not, the one right now that they're saying

is going to kill everybody is the esports, the video game. The video gamers are, are lapping Super Bowl right now. They're saying e-game championship is going to be the most viewed sporting event in the world. Not if it isn't already. I know what video games video games. That's not that's not a sport. They call it esports. So that's what they call it. You just a lot of people there. So you're gonna have a lot of 18 year old nerds coming after. I know it's like, but you

know when you did the darts and you see them drinking beer and I go. Is it a sport? It is a sport. By the way, so, so I wanted to get your, your It's like, but you know when you did the darts and you see them drinking beer and I go It is the spot. By the way, so so I wanted to get your your are you are you pulling up to see if it actually is time go go to the most viewed one Most what he's for going number one going number one going number one. I just can't see bass Watching to see look at it 5.41 million, but it's coming up But if you go to the most viewed sporting event of all time, type in most viewed sporting event of all time. Debaging Olympics.

What is it say? 4.7 billion, 4.7 billion people watching it. Holy shit, that's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot. Damn, 4.5 million. That's more than half That's a lot. That's a lot. Damn. Four point. That's more than half of the world. That's more than half of the world. That seems to be like collectively the Olympics. That's like over a month period. How many people watch?

But are you talking about just one specific event? Like super bowl. I'm looking at it right now. Kentucky Derby is there. They torn a 500 is there. NBA finals. the one in 1998 what Michael Jordan is a eight spot 15 spots let's see what we got here actually I'm curious right a March madness 1975 35 million people X games 37 million people let's see your world series 1978 44 million people I want to see who the number one is here because I want to say it was cricket 225 million. What's this one? You rugby 1995 they had a bunch eighty eight what? 800 and there's no way 800 and 57 million people watch that a rugby Holy shit Asian games was 986. And then you have UFC. There's no way 1.1

billion broadcast reach is what they're saying for one of Conor's fights. Boxing 2 billion people watch Ali Leon Spinks in 78. Down that's a big number right there. Winter Olympics. We got 2.1 billion in 06. What is the most one cricket? There you we got 2.1 billion and 0.6. What is the most one cricket? There you go, 2.2 billion people. Wow, for 2019, I watched that. And then we have tour the France, 3.5 billion. Tour the France. Do you want to tour the France? No, like a high number. FIFA World Cup 2018, 3.57 billion billion and the most viewed one was some more olympics three point six billion is the one you pulled up that one right there pretty sick to see that

but by the way do you know who's i own volume some is and i own volume volume said you obviously know who he is okay but the other number one team in the uh... i know they are their west man i i i'm just he's a beast uh... power for the new world Orleans. So Charles Barkley always says, he says, no one in the NBA fights. They all talk a lot, right? But there was this video circulating about Zion Williamson street fighting.

Did I text it to you or no? Yeah, you sent it to me. Did I send it to you or did you just go look it up? No, no, no, I looked at it. I want to show this to you because I want you to, you up? No, no, no, I looked at it right. So I want to I want to show this to you Because I want you to you know again, you're judging a street fighter. This guy's a big boy He's somebody that if you type in Zion Williamson on YouTube street fight. I want to see what kind of a Commentary what kind of score you'll give this guy here

It is a short. Okay. I just found that I'm texting you to you. Okay, I'm actually curious to know how boss Routin is gonna say Zion is doing in a fight. And I'm sure Zion's gonna see this here if you give him some credit. I just, there you go, right there. Okay. Okay, you can turn this one on for them to see it and put it from the beginning

because the audience didn't see it. So a Malik from the back, go up and bring it down, go up and bring it or refresh it so people can see it again. So if you can do me a favor from the back, Malik actually showed this, this one we can show. Yeah, go ahead. Lordy audio, a little bit if you can. Okay, so the guy in the gray shirt, gray shirt, that's Zion. Wow.

That's a street fight. Oh, look at this. Whoa. They can't hit him. He's too tall. And he's not trying to fight. He's walking away. He's like, dude, I don't want to fight. But you see again, it's distance. He stayed outside there. Watch what he does. It's not even over yet. He's about to fight. Yeah. Finally says, all right guys, you want this? You're gonna get out. He starts knocking him out. All the smoke. Wow.

It's plumbing people. Yeah, listen, those athletes, you know, they're just athletes who listen to instructions. Yeah, listen, those athletes, you know, they're just athletes who listen to instructions. Wow, that's plumbing people. Yeah, listen, those athletes, you know, they're just athletes who listen to instruction. He's talking to the guy.

Okay, so this, by the way, this guy is six, I don't know what is six, six, six, six, seven, plus he's an athlete. Plus he's an athlete, yeah. So he understands body mechanics, you know, and he probably took a few boxing classes and a guy's like that. You think like, you don't think that's, that's natural. That guy took some kind of lessons. Yeah, he'll be working with it. Was 22 years old?

Yeah, 22 years. But in the video, he's not 22. In the video, he's much younger. Wow. By the way, I'm a big problem with this. What? Because here you have a kid. He's 22 now.

This video is how many years old? I have no idea. But it's a while. Maybe he's in college, maybe in high school. He's 18, 19, whatever he is. All it takes is one idiot to take out a knife and stab him. It takes an idiot to just pull out a gun and shoot him. This is a franchise player.

This is a franchise player who could potentially literally take his team to an NBA championship this year. He's going to make hundreds of millions of dollars over his career, but one stupid fist fight at a drunk high school party, he could never be heard of again. And that is very scared of him. Yeah, but he tried to avoid it, right? He tried constantly to avoid it, to walk away. I don't want it, I don't want it.

You're right, I wouldn't be about it. I mean, if I'm about to, now there's weapons. And if they know who you are, who's gonna fight you? If you're a professional fighter, do you think they're gonna fight you without a weapon? Of course not. No, hell no, it's not the, but that was interesting.

Seeing a basketball player like that fighting at age that he did, boss, this has been a blast haven't you on. Can you tell us about these products? So what are these things that you got here? Okay, it's a long training device. It's the Inspiratory Mosul training. So first of all, we, I'm saying because

Dr. Belize and Franchise the World's renowned breathing expert and myself, we put a collaboration together, we made a three hour instruction about breathing and what breathing does for you, because everybody believes that we breathe the correct way, right? But we own 95% of us doesn't breathe the correct way. And the people who are breathing, the 5% are probably people who have breathing classes. So what you achieve with that is like you can get up to five times more oxygen in your body. This is a big thing. I mean, because we'll breathe incorrect.

And the reason we breathe incorrect is it starts at the age of five and a half. You know, because that's where we become self-conscious about our bodies. And we see superheroes and models and the women and the boys they realize if they keep reading through the belly like they're supposed to then well they might think they're fat. So they start reading incorrect. It's also they go to school put bellies on they're sitting all day long you know it's makes it harder to breathe through the belly you go to the doctor's office they put the status quo

behind your new chest they could be breathed so you automatically think your lungs are here but your lungs are not there they're completely completely here. The densest, most rich oxygen part is at the bottom of your lungs, but we all breathe here. Right. So once you start changing that, it's just bizarre. I gave one an inspiratory muscle trader to Leo, to Machida, and he left me a message, I could let you hear it if you wanted. He said, I don't understand this, he was doing it for four months, this takes four minutes a day. And he said, he had COVID and after COVID he took two days off and then he started training with this guys that are fighting in the U.C. in Bellator, all these big companies. He says, I was out

working everybody. My stamina is so insane and that's what correct breathing does. And in this course, we go over all the things, anxiety, PTSD, why do you calm down? Because it's the vagus nerve, the vagus nerve. That's the 10th cranial nerve that is involved and pretty much every action in the body. And once you stimulate that nerve by breathing, it lowers your heart rate, your blood pressure, and in third, of course, your cortisol levels just, you become calm. All these benefits that you have, back problems are certainly fixed. I mean, endurance goes up, stamina, my asthma completely disappeared after I started working

with the prototype of the auto trainer. And listen, I had to take an auto trainer with me, an auto trainer, and inhaler with me everywhere I went. Every fight that I had in my past, every single fight in the dressing room, I would spray my lunch open to fight, three weeks with the thing, Sony was gone. But I was realizing I was simply breathing incorrectly. So I got in contact with Dr. Belize and Frannis, but Joey Diaz, the comedian, and he said,

I think you guys worked well together. And I went to the office at the time, was at the park on 5th Avenue in New York. And the first thing she did was reading my measurements, my chest measurements, because the more you can expand, the easier this to fill up your lungs. And she measures, and she starts laughing, she says, no, that's not possible. She's doing it again.

So I exhale, inhale again. She says, one moment, she rungs out, and she goes back to another doctor. And I said, what's going on? She said, well, if I don't bring him, he's not gonna believe what you just did. He said, because normally when somebody breaks the record, they break it like with one eighth of an inch or something, you just went almost more than two inches

over everybody else. So my breathing IQ, which is in which they measure, you can go to the breathing IQ.com. That's a website in where you can measure how you breathe. Like, for instance, if I tell you, take a deep breath. You see, you're using your chest, that you can get up to five stars more oxygen in your body by just breeding diaphragm medically. So everybody, 95% of us, like I said, you see me in world title fights, breeding like this completely wrong. So once you start changing that and you realize what you're doing, and that we're not breeding correctly correctly and you throw your ego to the side. Now suddenly everything starts increasing. You have all these strength and conditioning coaches.

They become the coach of the year, you know, but they don't pay attention to breathing. If you go to Jack Daniels, who is the best, not the drink, of course, the best endurance coach on the planet, that's the first thing they do. He gets a new athlete then, take off your shirt, they watch him breathe. If that breathing is not correct, he will fix that first before he starts working with you. So breathing is pretty much everything that you need to do. And then this course is called breathing for warriors. And breathing for warriors is for people under pressure also for cops, for low enforcement. And we go over every little detail of the fight for instance, because you all breathe different in certain parts of the fight.

If you're very close, well you cannot really breathe because if you inhale and you get hit at the moment you inhale, well you go down. This is actually how I won my second fight in Japan. I was very sick. I was all day long. They let me travel for eight hours. This is when I after I knocked one guy out. Sorry. And eight hours traveling, I was throwing up, my manager was carrying my luggage. Finally, I'm in the fight, he gets me in an arm bar, and I just want to tap. But then my ego took over because they started chanting

for him and I go, okay, shit, I got out. But I didn't have a lot of stamina. And I'm standing with him, and I see him breathe very heavy. And I pull his arm to the side and I was timing it. And on the third inhale, I neom. And this guy goes down, if you see him go down, it looks like a shot him. That's all hard.

And the knee wasn't really that hard. It was just perfectly timed. So that means that if you're close to an opponent and you're breathing wrong, that's why they always say in boxing and in kickboxing when they're getting tired, go for the body, right? Because they can't really control the breathing anymore.

And at the moment, again, when you hit them, when they breathe in, you can do 5,000 sit-ups a day. It doesn't matter. You breathe in, you can hit, you go down. So all these moments we go over, breathing in quadrants, like, well, you need to breathe through your core, right? But what if you're a fighting on the back as somebody puts a neon belly?

Well, you're gonna have to breathe different. Then you use this part of the chest and maybe the left side of your lungs. You see, there's all these little tricks that you can do that increases everything. And what people don't seem to realize is that lungs don't do anything by themselves. Lungs are just due bags. There's not a single muscle in the lung. If you cannot expand your chest, you cannot fill up your lungs with air. It's very simple. So the more you can expand your chest, the more you can fill up your lungs. So if you think about it, your chest doesn't expand because you put air in them, your chest expands, and that's how you pull the air in.

And once I realized that, okay, now I started training my breathing muscles, which are your diaphragm, intercostal muscles, which are the muscles in between your ribs, right? And by the way, you have 11 pounds of those breathing muscles. Those are for inhaling. Axe healing is done with your, or all your core muscles, your obliques in your core, and your internal intercostal muscles that press all the air out.

Now, it's very important to train those because if you go, for instance, metabor flex, that's just a nice word for saying gassing, right? You know what happens when you're gassing? So let's say you're running a hill and it gets very hard, suddenly start gassing. What gassing means is the body regulates the bloodstream. It takes the blood, the oxygenated blood,

takes it away from your legs and it sends it to your number one priority in the body, which are your breathing muscles, because if you can't breathe for three minutes, you're that's the number one priority. What is the second? Food is the third? You see so once you realize wait a minute if I work out my breathing muscles and I make them strong and I give them endurance

Then everything starts to increase so the combination of breathing what it does is just it's just bizarre I had a guy was interviewing me for a pastor chat pastor chat his friend was in the hospital COVID the family was saying their goodbyes and I had a guy, was interviewing me, pastor Chet, pastor Chet. His friend was in the hospital, COVID. The family was saying they're goodbyes. And he said, boss, can he use that inspiratory muscle training? I said, no, because he's very sick right now, and this is an attack on the core. I have people actually buying it now for their core muscles, so they get abs.

I said, but tell him this, because his occipital, it like 81% like is a very low number for oxygen in the blood. I said, let him put a book on the solar plexus because he's laying down all day long anyway. And then let him raise that book constantly. With his belly, start belly breathing. That's what you're doing. Next day, he had 96% that was in one day. They wanted to write the guy off

and he jumped to 96% in one day. That's what breathing does for you. And people should understand it. That's why I'm so vocal about it. And I can't understand that no more people pay attention to it changed my life. What it did for me was just bizarre. My breathing right now. If you see me breathing in a wheelchair, be afraid. Like I already said, I was raising the shoulders. Well, raising your shoulders, four to six of these breaths is the same as one diaphragm at a breath. 46 of these breaths, raising your weight,

you're raising your neck, your traps, everything needs endurance, right? Why should you start breathing correctly? All these muscles don't have to work. Your endurance just jumps up. And then if you add some weight training to your breathing muscles, that this is what the auto trainer does.

And it takes only like four minutes a day. Now you're getting a really strong diaphragm. Now the diaphragm is a thin dome shaped muscle, tendon, muscle tendon, that is attached to the bottom of your ribcage, right? It's course all the way here to the front, so you can walk it down all the way to the back along the spine.

Now, imagine the sides here are attached to your core. What the O2 trainer, what the Otrailer does, it works the diaphragm, the diaphragm pushes down and it expands. And from that angle you can't see a lot, but from the front you see it expanding. Now that happens inside your body and that together with the intercostals, that will open up your chest. The more you can expand your chest, again, the easier this to fill it up. Now people go like, but as products out there, they say that the easier this to fill it up. Now people go like, but as products out there, they say that they increase your long volume. I said, that's a lie. You know, we have a set pair of logs. Right? The guy, it's like a gallon and a half, six point four liters. I believe in a woman.

It's a gallon of take, you know, four point one liters. But what happens after the age of 29, your thoracic flexibility starts to decrease. So if you don't do any breath work, that means your lungs start actually shrinking because she can't completely open them up anymore. So once you start training those muscles, you bring them back to the original size, they were in the very first place. So like what I said with you, when I said take a deep breath and you do that, your breathing can be so much better by just using a thing like this for four minutes, but the best part is you have to watch the course. Watch the course, go to breedingforwarriors.com. And there we explain everything that you are gonna have

and you're gonna face in the course. She does breeding exercises where you get high almost. These are start tinkling. I mean, you're putting so much oxygen in your body, it's just insane. The difference for warriors.com. Breathing for wars. That's Dr. Belize of Fransis right there

that we just made fun with the vagus nerve that that nerve I was talking about that comes you down. We do exercises on the cable machine, for instance. Exercises on the cable machine, if you do single bunches, you know, you're working your core a lot. It makes it very strong, but what happens is because you're flexing it all the time, it's very hard for you to breathe correctly. So this way, when you still do those exercises, you start focusing on when to take that breath that you really need.

And that's it. Just being aware of your breath will change everything in your body. And it, like I said, it blows me away that no more people do because we all look like guys like Tony Ferguson, right? He's known for having stamina. And everybody says, why does he have that stamina? Well, look at him breathe when he comes back to the corner. There's no movement in his shoulders whatsoever. It's all belly breathing.

So you can do the same thing by four minutes a day, but they don't do it. And I never understood it. They go to drugs, PEDs, they do whatever they use, you know, to put more oxygen into your body. What is it called? EPO, you know, to put more oxygen into your body. What is it called? IPO.

You know, all very dangerous stuff, apparently, because if you do that, some of these guys, what I hear, you have to wake up in the middle of the night, you have to go in a trap mill because otherwise your heart might stop. I go, woof, do you really want to be a champion like that? You know, by starting to cheat, this is all natural and it changes your life completely. What it does for PTSD, if you go to the website o2trainer.com, there's a tap on there, science, it's called, and there's published medical journals and these published medical journals watch what it does. And these are journals that

we cannot doctor, right? These are journals, but they say is the truth. And when you go there, because in the beginning, people said, oh, you're just making it up, as I will go to the website, we need to publish medical journals, and you watch yourself, what it does for you. Well, let's put the link below, rap, for people to go learn more about this when it comes down to breathing. We're going to put the link to both of them.

Bass. One second. One second. One second. I need to do two. Okay, you're not getting to say it, right? You can always, no, I have time enough. I just have to be really bad. You gotta go.

Yeah, that's the only thing. I got time enough. I can sit here, what all, oh you was. I just didn't want to force you anything. No, no, don't worry about it. I got 11 o'clock Zoom myself as well, but come back before I got I get sit here and I can talk as long as you want So you're about to bat what's happening with bats right now go ahead. Let him know

He's about to be an official member of now. He's not yet though. He's holding it and I'm watching him He's gotta go to the bat somebody keep drinking water Shrieking water. Like that. Why you drink your water? You can drink it so freaking dry. I just have to have you CBD to go to sleep. But I tell you man, I really, really enjoyed having you on the podcast. The audience love the whole list into a different perspective where you're at.

I want to say one thing because you play to guys are invited and Adam, who's the president from Karate Combat, he invites you guys as well. If you want to come to the show next week in Orlando, Florida, it's Karate combat. He invites you guys as well. If you want to come to the show next week in Orlando, Florida, it's Karate combat 37. We have Raymond Daniels, Freken nature. If you see his knockouts, he does knockout at 720 degrees punch. Jump in the air makes two pair of us knocks him out with the right hook. He does this with kicks, he does with Raga, Rafael Agayev, the guy on the left of the top, he's considered the goat of karate. 11 European titles, five world titles,

but one silver at the last Olympics, and both these guys are considered the best in their game, and they're going to compete in the main event. And then you got Owen Chelmia and Hazel's Lopez. Well, if you see Chelmia, that's, the guy's just a phenomenal fighter, he's the champion, he will come forward and he will not stop. He's relentless.

But then you get low. But you see him every time you see him increasing getting better. These are Olympic level karate cuss who now fight full contact in a pit that you see there in the back. In Orlando next week in Orlando, Florida, the University of Australia is the back lot right now. Well, December 17th is a Saturday. It's a day before the World Cup.

Actually, this Saturday you're talking about. This Saturday, that's why I'm saying this is perfect for you guys. Come by, get your VRP tickets and watch. I think that Adam sent a whole bunch of messages to you through Instagram to invite you as well. I say, don't worry, but because he loves the show. He said, man, I'm a huge fan because he found out yesterday

what's gonna come on the show. He go, dude, man, I invited a huge fan because he found out yesterday What's gonna come on the show you go do it man? I invited the Patrick the whole time But he never responded. I got these guys are so busy man, you know, you don't even know I'm gonna I'm gonna because the 18th I'm taking 40 people to the Tampa Bay against the oh, okay Cincinnati bank goes game Joe burrow against Tom Brady, but fight one time seven o'clock 17 so seven o'clock Four 17th. So seven o'clock four p.m. Seven o'clock Eastern Standard Time. Let's see what we can do. Rob, can you text Karina for her to look at my schedule to see what we can do with us?

If we can just go to the fight and come back same night, we'll see what the schedule permits. But boss, brother, it's an honor, man, to have you here truly. Thank you for an honor to have you here. I appreciate you for coming out. Really enjoyed it. And hopefully we will do this again in the future. That would be great. Boston, for you go. Can I just get one more? Oh my god. That's what this is. Holy shit. Come on, pick. Look at this double double finger in saying that little finger. Okay. So Rob, what do we got this week? We have one more. First day home team podcast. Third day home team and then it's off to the races. Yes. Okay. Sounds good. Thanks, guys. Take care everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

this week we have one more Thursday home team podcast Thursday home team and then it's off to the races. Yes. Okay sounds good. Thanks guys. Take everybody. Bye bye. Bye. Bye.