PBD Podcast - Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel & George Janko | PBD Podcast | Ep. 335

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Patrick Bet-David and Vincent Oshana are joined by Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel and George Janko! Bishop Emmanuel is an Iraqi-born Assyrian Australian bishop, originally of the Ancient Assyrian Church of the East, who serves as pastor of Christ The Good Shepherd Church in Wakeley. George Janko is a stand up comedian, social media influencer, and host of the globally renowned podcast, The George Janko Show. Subscribe to The George Janko Show: https://bit.ly/3NgOnDh Listen to The George Janko Show on Spotify: https://bit.ly/3sYKUm3 Follow George Janko on Instagram: https://bit.ly/483YD9N Check out The Heart of David merchandize: https://bit.ly/3Gpn7yK Donate to the Good Samaritan Aid Society: https://bit.ly/46HP5QX Subscribe to Christ The Good Shepherd Church on YouTube: https://bit.ly/4a1VM3d Follow Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel on Instagram: https://bit.ly/483fcmi Follow Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel on TikTok: https://bit.ly/3RaH8OB Purchase tickets to the PBD Town Hall with Robert F. Kennedy Jr on December 6th: https://bit.ly/3sog9qg Connect one-on-one with the right expert to get the answers you need with Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO:  @VALUETAINMENT   @vtsoscast   @ValuetainmentComedy   @bizdocpodcast  Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I know this life meant for me. Yeah, why would you plan on the life when we got that David value came in giving values contagious. We can't no value that hate it. I don't want me look what I become. I'm the other one. Rob could pass for an Armenian. Anyways, okay, episode 335. Today, I don't know, this could be considered

a Guinness book of a world record, right? To getting in this vault right down, okay? There's four Assyrians. Wow. Whether you like it or not, Rob, for the next two hours, you're also... You're in, Rob. What I teach you? Shlama. He looks like a Shlama.

He looks like a Shlama. Shlama. He's a little bald in the beard. Yeah, he can be a dick. He looks like a Kimpasta. Let me properly introduce. You know, we've been wanting to do this for a minute and I thought it was just great to do everybody together. So let me go through it.

You already know Vinny. Vinny's the, how do I properly introduce Vinny? Vinny is one of the best looking guys I know. Vinnie's face is like Hollywood, rocker down at you in your town, cruise too much. I will leave you alone. But let me go through our two other friends here.

The other one is Mr. Checkmate, George Enkel. Kai, he's a great chess player. Here's a guy that I don't know why you like traveling. You don't mind traveling. You like going to play with a great chess player. Here's a guy that I don't know why. You like traveling. You don't mind traveling. You like going to places where there's a lot of water, but you'll go. But for whatever reason, you don't like boys on islands.

I don't know what it is with you. You don't like island boys. Who wrote that for you, man? Nobody. We actually don't do any of it. Right? We don't write. George is one of the coolest cats out there.

You and I had a chance to do something together. He came here with me to the podcast. I, after you were done, I liked you 10 times more because of what I learned about your relationship with your pops, your family, character, values, all of that stuff. I appreciate it. But funny guy, cool cat. We were at, what time do we, bro? It was a school night.

You get 1230. We're still at 10 seven in conversation together. Well, my defense, it took a very long time to walk through your establishment in your house. It took like, and you know, it's so funny. We walked into rooms and he's like, I've never even been here before. And I've been here for almost two years.

I was like, wait, what? But here's the kicker. The reason why we're here, we can always hang out. The reason why we chose to do everybody together is because of Bishop Mari, okay? And we started talking about you and you know, Rob, for a while, you and I, we've been wanting to do something and we wanted to make sure it was the right time we were so glad because you're all the way on the other side. You got thousands of miles to travel to come here from Australia. And to properly introduce him,

you know, one thing is for fact, even though he's visiting the States, I think it's fair to say you will not be having dinner with Mr. Fauci. Is that a fair assessment to say there won't be a... Absolutely correct. Yeah, okay, so Bishop Murray is of the Assyrian Church of the East, he's the Metropolitan Bishop of Australia, New Zealand.

He was born and back that Iraq in 1967, ordained Deacon in 89 and a priest in 91 was a bishop in 2004, Bishop Manu was a scholar of Syrace, language, and literature. He has a PhD in Syrace studies from University of Toronto and has authored several books, known for his wisdom, passion. By the way, you've seen him go in viral

with the values and principles he stands for. It's just absolutely wonderful watching the fact that you have the kind of a backbone that you're not willing to just get up there and say what you're supposed to be saying. You're the example of a person who believes what the book he follows says, and you're not tolerant about wanting to break those values and principles

like we are seeing right now in some other places taking place which we will definitely be talking about having said that it's an honor to have you here the honor is all I always thank you so much the Patrick and the beautiful Assyrian brothers here that we are I'm with I don't know it's like a dream come true I've always that we are, I'm with, I don't know, it's like a dream come true. I've always, I've never thought that it was a day going to come to be in this beautiful place with all of you. So I thank the Lord Jesus for all of you and for this beautiful and priceless moment to be with you. Thank you. Trust me, I feel honored to have you here, but I appreciate those kind words.

So we have a lot of things to cover, right? We have a lot of things to cover because everybody is here from a bit of a different background, but there is a common threat that we have with our background being a Syrian and our faith. You have it on your wrist right there. If someone's looking at you, you're pretty proud of where your faith is. I think even when you guys run the podcast with Logan Paul, we'll talk about that where you would share your faith and it was a bit of a, you know, push back on going

back and forth and some of the Christian community, I'm going to do that. It was kind of awkward what happened between you and him. And then Vinny, being who he's at, you know, military background, you know, and then from there comedy, you've been a bunch of different things. You've done a bunch of movies, but now church, Sundays, and then hear yourself as well. So, Assyrians, I'll start off with you if you don't mind, Bishop, to the average person that maybe doesn't know Assyrians.

When I would go to clubs and Vegas in the army, I know that's kind of like a weird transition from a Bishop to clubs. I'm in Nashville and I'm going to clubs and people would tell me, Hey, what's your name? Patrick, so where are you from? Acerian. Oh, you're a Cicilian. No, I'm a Cicilian. So you're a Cicilian. No, a Cicilian. What are

Cicilians? Right? What do you say to people? The average person that says, what is in a Cicilian? I think when we go back to history and we call the word Mesopotamia out, I think that says it all. Mesopotamia and Assyrian Bithnahren between the two rivers of Tigris and Euphrates. In a biblical sense, after the great flood of our father Noah, they went to a place called Chinar, which is Mr. Petemia Bithnaren, and that's where they tried to build that tower of Babel.

So, on the other hand, you look at the descendants of Noah, Shem, we are the descendants of Shem, and one of his sons is actually Ashur, and that's where Ashuraya comes from. So there is a lot of history, and Iraq is the center and the heart of all of this. So when you mention that a lot of people are more familiar with the history of that instead of just saying, I'm an Assyrian. Because as you mentioned, the Appatrik, they do mix it with Syrian or Sicilian. So yeah. So but when you mention Iraq, Mr. Patemia, and the history behind it, they become sort of more,

oh yes, I get it now. And you are, you were born in Iraq, so when you're seen in Iraq, so George, for yourself, you know, you're in mainstream, you're all over the place, right? You've gone viral from vine days, you've got billions of views, people recognize your face on what you've done. Fun, likable guy, smart at the same time,

but you're also, we'll defend your faith. When people ask you, what is an Assyrian? How do you answer? What do you say? I actually, it's kind of one of my favorite flexes, you know? That's cool, you have a Lamborghini. But I spoke the language of Jesus Christ spoke, and I just don't think anything is cooler than that And so I think that's my like my my favorite go to him

I have you seen passionate of the Christ? I did not need to read the sub panel And I just find that so cool. I like it. It's I feel like in the day that we live the scarcity is quality, right? I mean, we just said this is a world record for a serene's being in one room When I was younger, I always wanted to be something else because I wasn't ashamed, but I wasn't common with people. Like, nobody understood where I came from, no one understood my background. So as I grew up, I realized what a blessing it was

to see like when people bring up the Bible and they try to say, Ruchat Gutsha, and they're saying it in their language. And I'm like, oh, cool. This is so cool. This is my language. I don't know. I don't like to take a lot of pride in things, but I find that to be a really fascinating thing that we have the same dimma.

Dimma. That's a mess, blah. Yeah. And you're right about passion in the Christ. By the way, did you watch in a movie theater? Did you watch in the theater or in DVD? Do you remember first time you watch in the theater? I watch it in the movie? In the theater or in DVD? Do you remember first and you watching the theater? I watched it in the military, in the theater.

I remember, I was protesting, because the one I went to, there was protesting. No, no, this was in all places in Montana. People were crying. Nobody was, it was one of those moments where the lights are on, people are crying. People are emotional. And the first thing I said, Pat, I was like,

whoever Mel Gibson hired for his dialect coach, let's see, whatever she was, it was a female nailed it. Because the majority of the movie I was listening instead of reading. And by the way, it was amazing. While you're saying this, George, three and a half million as serians worldwide, eight billion, you know, total world population,

I just did the numbers here to know that we are qualified in danger species. So folks, you may want to take a picture because this may be and put it up on the board because this rarely happens. It's the odds of you running into an Assyrian is 0.004% of running into an Assyrian. So this is a miracle. Vinnie, when somebody asks you what's in Assyrian, what do you say? Oh, man. Because I like what he said. Vinnie, when somebody asks you what's in Assyrian, what do you say? Oh, man. Because I like what he said.

You know, the fact that, you know, easy following up with me, but you won't pass with the cry. But I mean, he made a really good point. When I tell them, it's always, I have to be knowledge in Sudae in Assyrian to give them the report. Because how many times have you said this,

which I'm pretty sure you two are just going to go, no, I'm a Syrian and they say, oh, so Syria, I'm like, no, no, I am a Syrian and in the history report of the Tigris and your Fadi's River, the cradle of civilization, but then people, and then I'm going to defense mode, because they're like, well, you guys don't even have a country. You're not really, and then my proof is,

I go, then how do I speak, and how, show me how I speak the language of Jesus Christ. So then I have to go into the lineage and how a serians are scattered. We're basically nomads and we're everywhere, but the contributions that we did. So it goes from history report to George and Elderbro.

I, as a young person, you didn't get it. Okay, we were in church, we were in Umadab, we're running around, yeah, yeah. But to sit down and really understand the soaking, they would call my Okay, we were in church, we're in Umadal, we're running around. Yeah, yeah, but to sit down and really understand the soak and they would call my father, God rest his soul, they'd call him Ninvett because he cared about his serians, it was trying to put the word out.

It's just, you know, we're at the point where we're endangered, but I guess we talked about this earlier, Pat, it's our job to keep talking about it, keep going it out because if we don't, then who else is gonna do it? And we need to have a lot of babies, is what we need to do. That's what I'm trying to do.

Let me just kind of give you a marriage. And then baby, what did Assyrians invent? If you're writing, it's because of Assyrians. Writing, literature started off by Assyrians. First library, Assyrians, paved roads, 360-degree circle, math, the warriors, the list of it goes on and on and on. And I'm Armenian and Assyrian. The other day, the Armenian brother was fighting in Assyrian guy, Assyrian Benil. He was supposed to be here,

him and I were talking, he couldn't make it. And they're like, who are you rooting for? I'm like, dude, I'm half Armenian half Assyrian. This is why my parents got a divorce twice to each other. But, so- But I answer the question, who are you rooting for? I was getting- I was probably rooting for Benil because I have a relationship with them because him and I were talking. So I was rooting for him. I don't know the other meaning.

It seems like a real solid fighter, but Benio and I were talking. But yeah, there's a lot of things with our heritage, but again, the question comes, how come we don't have a land? So there's a few things I want to talk about today. One thing I want to talk about, what is up with the Syrian community?

That's one. There's an element of competition, you know, the older folks, the Syrians don't believe the younger people know what they're talking about. And at one point, I wanted to kind of contribute and help out. And I saw what it was being shunned away, you know, you kind of like, you don't know what you're talking about, no problem. Then I go through my thing with business. Then I want to talk about a little bit of faith on where we are today. And then some current event issues that I have written here as well that we'll get into as well.

But maybe the first thing to talk about is we can start off with the Syrian side. You know, the Israeli didn't have a land for a long time, they eventually got it. Okay, and now, you know, they are where they are. A lot of people went back, They're workers, they're entrepreneurs, they're business people. They get criticized a lot. The world, Germany tried to eliminate them and literally be face of the planet and they didn't succeed.

So eventually, they were able to go back and done what they've done. But as Syrians, they have a land. It's in Iraq. You saw last year or two years ago, they were trying to get rid of all the art and statues and stuff that we have to get rid of any of the history that we have. Why do you think the Assyrian community,

and maybe you may disagree with me? Why do you think the Assyrian community isn't united? Why do you think they're divided? Well, that's a very good question, and I, I don't know if I'm going to give it justice in a short time. I just want to say one thing. I believe the Assyrians of our time and age, there are two things that we struggle with. And they, I believe, they are the main reason why we are not being united.

One, there is too much self-pride. And secondly, there is a tribal influence within the Assyrian community. For example, the first thing they will ask where you from, what is your tribal background, and if you are, for example, a gelwaya or a tchumnaia or ormijnaia, or Tiaraia. All these tribes are becoming really astamiglestone for us to be really united. And even within the church perimeter, we see that is happening as well.

I believe we need to just come back and say, we are a serious period. And that's where the unity of the nation is. Yes, I am proud of my heritage, of my background, of the village I was. I come from my parents, my grandparents, but at the same time, I need to keep that identity for me personally, but on a larger scale, I am an Assyrian,

and that should be the end of the story. So, tribal influence should not come into the play where it becomes a stumbling stone of our unity. And then they say, where are you from? Are you a Syrian from Iraq, from Lebanon, from Syria, from Iran? Well, it doesn't matter where I come from, but I am an Syrian.

So what's the difference if I was born in Iran or Iraq or anywhere else? We are a Syrian, and that's what should really unite us and be above all. So we need to really focus on this and try and rectify and solve it. Otherwise, we will always be going in a circle. George, you're a very well-known Assyrian, young community Assyrians know you, people know you period, but the young community as Syrians know you people know you period but the young community as Syrians they all know you right within your experience in the Assyrian side have you tried what has been your experience when it comes down to trying to unify get together you know amplify the the cause the message the background what's been your experience

um great question uh tough question because sometimes you want to answer with your heart, but it doesn't really nail on the ears of people that should be hearing it. But my point of view is this, first before anything, before even my parents, it comes Christ, that goes above all. So with respect to this gentleman next to me, regardless of his stature, his cloth, or his badge, If he goes against my God, I humbly try to convince him otherwise. I think being humble has kind of been eliminated. And when he was talking about pride, I very much agree with him. There's a lot of pride.

I was reading Mark yesterday in the Saint Mark and in the gospel and I found something really fascinating Judas was the disciple That basically crucified Jesus. He sold him out for the world But if you look at the scripture Christ treated Judas the same way he treated the other disciples even though he knew This gentleman was the one who was wrong. He was the one that wasn't gonna reap what he sowed, if you understand what I'm saying.

I think what happened was there's a division. There's the people that move with pride. And they're like, no, no, no, Assyrian traditions first, and then the gospel. And then the people that are fighting for the gospel, they're fighting with no love. They don't want any understanding. They want no compassion.

And so if I sit there with haughty eyes looking at an assuring man being like, look at all what you've done is wrong. I gotta remember that what I measure that man, God will measure me. And when God came down, he didn't come with his finger in his face being like, you guys are wrong, you're out of here.

He led with an example. And I wanted to part from my church because there was a lot of things that I saw my church do That I felt like wasn't acceptable and then I went to this church and this church had problems And then I went to this church and then this church had problems and then I realized a house that is divided Cannot stand but there is no house that is not divided. And so what happens is Satan, regardless of what this gentleman does, say this gentleman right here before me, God does use him. And he builds a beautiful church. But then when he passes away, Sathana, and that's Satan and Assyrian, will come through another man, and he will make himself a board member or he'll hold the money and he'll make decisions

that are corrupted. That doesn't blame him and I don't blame my umta for it or ita, but I do want to have people to stop being scared of holding people accountable. If this gentleman was running my church, I am going to listen to him because God gave him permission to run my church and I'll honor him. But if I see him step out of line of the true commander, I'm not going to disrespect them and embarrass them in front of his people, but I'm going to pull him aside and be like, hey, like

goodekta, this is saying this and that, but we're doing this and this. Why is that? And I think if you come from love and come with an understanding of a heart, then I think we can have a conversation, but I think our you come from love and come with an understanding of a heart, then I think we could have a conversation. But I think our bloodline are warrior. So they want to fight first, plant their flag, and then show love. But that's the exact opposite of what God did. He came with love, and then that planted his flag.

And that's... What's prompting you to go there first? Because did you have an experience where that happened with an Assyrian church, that's put that bitter taste in your mouth? Yeah, but it's not. And I don't mean a specific example. I'm just wondering, it sounds like you've gone through it before.

Yeah, it is, but it isn't just my Assyrian church, it's every church, right? I think when a man becomes a man, he thinks everything he knows is correct, right? But then he grows to be wiser. Like you're probably wiser than you were five years ago. So you'd probably doubt half of the opinions you've made. So when I came, I was there, and I would love to get into this

and understand your point of view, because you are more educated in the scripture than I am. But for example, I didn't understand fasting to saints. Didn't understand it. It's against our gospel. And there's only one mediator between God and man. It's Christ. And so I was talking to a gentleman and he told me, I think he got overwhelmed. I will give him this. I think he was overwhelmed because I knew the scripture very well.

And he says, who are you to speak to God alone? And that kind of threw me in a loop. But then I realized that what happened was he became prideful and I became prideful and Satan had a field day with both of our hearts. It didn't, no one came to the table with the understanding of what does God want first. And I think that's what we need to do. There is a Bible verse that I love

that I love to explain to people because I have conversations with people that view God differently, right? In the book of Jonah, when he was on the boat, and everyone was freaking out, because there was apparently a God who was very upset. And they're like, whose God is mad at them? They all prayed to their God, but eventually they knew whose God was real. And I think that's all it needs.

I think a lot of people want to put it in their hands when it really should be given to God's hands. And so if your church and your eyes is wrong or your home is wrong, for example, of Bobby, my father, if he's wrong, I have no jurisdiction or right to go above my father and say, dad, you're wrong. But I could lead with an example,

and then I could ask my God to soften his heart and open his eyes and his ears. But I would never disrespect my father, one in front of people, ever. What is the outcome? What is the outcome? Abish and Marry. What is the outcome of what a Syrian should strive for? Meaning, for example, right now what's going on in America, you know, America's losing

its identity, right? What it was, who it was, too soft. It forgotten that we became what we became because America was favored by God. And maybe we've lost that favor, air against whatever may be. What should be the Issyrian communities vision to unify behind? Is it to get the land back to Isrians? What what should be the vision of

the Syrian community? I agree with why beloved George what he said, God is the unify, definitely. Before we go and speak about getting the land back, we need to focus on getting our children back, because they are our home, they are our country. What's the point of getting a piece of land, but I don't have the people that will live there and make a good use of that land? I need, as an Assyrian nation, we go back in history, however, we came to know Christ from a very, very long time, and the Church of the East is one of the earliest churches really after Jerusalem that embraced the Lord Jesus, and Christianity came. Saint Edday and Saint Mary were, Saint Edday was the one who was actually sent by the Lord Jesus to King Abgar O'Khamma, which is now known Turkey,

current Turkey, but that was part of all the Assyrian nation. So when they embrace Christianity and being the nation that speak, spoke and still speak the Aramaic language, the Lord's language till now, all our church services are in Aramaic. So when they embrace that Christianity, it's been embedded in us for over 2,000 years. We cannot deny this fact that we need to go back and acknowledge Christ as the head of this nation. You see, if we do not have the fear of God, we will not have the fear of one another. And what I mean by fear is that love. We are missing through genuine love. True genuine love is missing in us. When I say to Patrick to George to Vinnie that you are my brothers in Christ and I love you, I need to mean it.

I need to be genuine in it when I say it in front of you or behind your back, it should be the same way. Character is missing in here. So I need to build a generation that is God-fearing and this God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This is what our nation is missing both in the church and on a secular sort of part of it. I don't know, but unfortunately, and I don't know, I may sound a little bit maybe blunt here, so I do ask forgiveness if I, you know, sound any offensive here. But from a church point of view, being a bishop in the church, the focus is not on the Lord Jesus 100%. I once say the focus is not there totally, but there is a huge percentage, the focus is not on Christ. Christ, when you look at him, the first thing that we need to learn is humility,

because humility is the key to success. Again, as a nation, when I see someone who is an Assyrian and is successful in whichever field they are, I should be very proud to have an Assyrian who is successful in that field they are. I should be very proud to have an Assyrian who is successful in that field. Instead of maybe challenging that person or trying to go against that person, I rather need to be supportive

and encouraging others to support that person because a success of one should be the success of everyone. This is what's missing in us as well. We are not supportive of one should be the success of everyone. This is what's missing in us as well. We are not supportive of one another. We are not encouraging others to come on board. Everybody is seeking their own throne, their own empire, their own prestigious life, their own fame, their own rank, their own position,

their own title, their own stars. But hang on a second. If we are speaking at a collective level, let's assume for a moment we are in this boat and the boat is sinking. Doesn't really matter if I'm the captain or just a normal, simple sailor. When the boat sinks, guess what? Everybody's going down. The ocean does not differentiate between the captain who is in charge and who is not. We need to come together and salvage the situation.

We need to try everything possible to make sure this board doesn't sink because when it goes down, everybody goes down. This is the problem. I believe our focus is not in a collective way, it is in an individualistic way, and individualism is weak. Individualism is weak. Now, the language of love is we, teach us on how to pray. The Lord's pray in Matthew 6, 9 and Luke 11, 3. The Lord immediately said, every time you pray, you say, our Father, by the way, he taught the prayer in the Aramaic language. And the Aramaic language is the informal language. At the time of the Lord Jesus, the Aramaic language is the informal language. At the time of the

Lord Jesus, the formal language was Hebrew and the informal was Aramaic, meaning at home in the streets and the shops they used Aramaic. But the formal language in the synagogues and any government official bodies was the Hebrew language. So whenever the Lord entered the synagogue, he needed to speak in Hebrew, but with the disciples on the way to Galilee and other parts of Israel, he spoke Aramaic to them. So when he taught that prayer, he said every time you say,

you say, Abon, de Beshmaio, or Awundhwashmeia, depending on the dialect, whether it's Eastern or Western. But he started with the hour father, the pluralistic language. See, I could be standing in my room alone, and I will still speak the plural language, and I'll say our father, I'll never say my father, because my father is kind of selfish.

Powerful. Very powerful. So, for example, the president of the United States of America, whenever he stands and give a talk, he will never use the single format. He will always say, we, well, how many of you? It's only me, but the position you hold is the superpower of the world. So when you speak in a language that is powerful, it is reflective of the position you hold. There is power in unity and there is weakness in division. God is the God of unity. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the king of peace. I wrote a few things down here. You said a

lot in Georgia. I kind of got where you're going as well. What is the difference between Assyrians and Jews? Assyrians have been around a thousand years before Jews, right? When I talk to my Jewish friends, you know, I tell this story about the first time in my life, I saw six million dollars cash, a guy who was running a very successful business in Valley, California. I said, why is it that Jews are so successful in business? He says because when one makes money, five make money. He says all the other ethnicities, when one makes money, only one makes money. He says, this is why we're always united.

We are so strong. Watch this. I'm working with these group of Mormons in this one company. And this movie comes out called Napoleon Dynamite. And they come back from the theater on Monday and they're telling me, you know, Napoleon Dynamite's going to win an Oscar. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. They said John Heter may be one won the greatest actors of all time.

So, I'm a movie guy. I go to the movies, I'm, you know, that next week and I watch, I said, this one, the worst movies I've seen in my life. Why did you say this to greatest movie all the time? They didn't want to tell me anything. That guy's a Mormon. That guy right there is a Mormon.

So, I'm like, okay, you don't play the clip because YouTube will take it and do it. So, to us, you're like, okay, you guys are very united. Mormons united, Jews united, Muslims united. God forbid you say something about Muhammad. They are very united. Why is it when you see these communities being united? Why are a Syrian so much, you know, an element of division

and especially with a civilization that's been around for a thousand years. So that's been around a thousand years more than, you know, Jews, give or take the numbers. Shouldn't we have a land? Shouldn't we be together? What is the difference between Assyrians and Jews? That goes to all of you guys, but.

Yeah, absolutely. Look, I believe if we were to put two people in the same situation, you'll always see there is an outcome different to the other. I remember there was once, they showed on television back in Australia and Sydney, two twin brothers, two twin brothers. One was an, one entrebingan alcoholic. The other one was a very successful businessman. They interviewed both and look at what they said twin brothers. The alcoholic one. They said, why did he end up being an alcoholic? He said, my dad was an alcoholic.

And that's all I knew growing up. I became like that. The other one, they said, well, why did he become a successful businessman? He said, when I saw my dad the way he was, I decided for myself, whatever happens, I will never end up like that. I'll make sure I will be totally different to prove to my dad that I can make it if you couldn't. The problem with us is we need to use our heads, not our emotions. Sometimes we become too emotional with things where we need to be more logical with things. Now what does it, as the Lord Jesus said, what does it benefit a man if he gains the whole world and then loses himself at the end? I cannot be selfish. Why? Because what have I gained

by being selfish? I just want to be successful for me, rich for myself. I need to make it to the shores of peace on my own. What am I going to benefit? If I enter paradise alone, paradise without people with me, I don't think it's a really happy place to be. I need to take people with me. So I need to think and use my head. What am I gaining if the whole world is just looking at me and yet my brothers and sisters in Christ and the Assyrian nation are left behind? I look at it now, for example, as a Christian in the church, people come and the hundreds and the thousands and they say, Bishop, we love you this and that and they bow and respect and all the rest of it.

But then I'm sitting on that high throne. Okay, what am I gaining by sitting on that high throne. Okay, what am I gaining by sitting on that high throne? Yet I have my own people, my own flesh and blood, suffering, being persecuted all over the world. What am I doing about this? What is this uniform going to do? And the throne that I sit on going to do for me, if my son, my daughter, my brother,

my sister, my father, my mother, I'll left in the street. I'm a loser, even if I'm the Pope, I'm a loser. Christ is the ultimate. Christ is the ultimate. You know, when we talk as church leaders, on earth we need to be street beggars. We need to be street beggars, not kings. Kingship will come in the next life by the grace of God. But on earth I need to be a street beggar. I need to walk in the footprints of the Messiah.

When they asked the Lord Jesus, do we pay taxes to Caesar or not? Do we pay taxes to Caesar or not? The Lord Jesus said, give me that denari, show me that denari. And he asked them, he said, whose image and writing is imprinted on this coin. They said Caesar. Well, he said, then render what is Caesar's to Caesar and what is God's to God. He said, how come you people realize this is Caesar's image? And you've known this is Caesar's image. Therefore, this coin belongs to Caesar since it's his image imprinted on it. And yet you have failed to realize whose image is imprinted on you. Isn't it, God's? Genesis 1,26, let us go down and make man in our image according to our likeness.

Either in come seeking your pocket, I came seeking your hearts. I came seeking that image which was imprinted on you from the very beginning, which is the image of God. Love is the supreme ethic. This is what we're missing. You see, in the church, in order for me to remember my afflicted brother and sister, my son, in Christ, my daughter in Christ, in order for me as a church leader to remember them and not only remember them, to get up from that high throne, and high place, and be humble, and go in that street and sit at the gatta and share the meal with that afflicted person the only way I can do this when I see myself

as a father, not as a leader. But okay, and I agree, but the question becomes, does God favor Jews more than a Syrians? No. Did a Syrians lose favor of God, even though they've done all the stuff that they've done, was God kind of sitting there saying, go ahead, George. You understand the question?

I'm asking. Yeah, I want to piggyback off of what he said. He brought up Matthew and it was a beautiful verse when he says, what is Caesar's and what is God's. But if you continue that Bible verse, he says, so that we don't offend them, go to the pond and then there'll be a fish with a coin in its mouth.

And I found that beautiful. He is the God of heaven and in earth, but his first step was to not offend. Because once you offend somebody, they stop listening to you. And once they stop listening to you, they only listen to Satan. Because then they're not listening to the gospel anymore. So when you said, why is Assyrians not favored anymore? And also you said, we're made in the image of God.

And how God created is by first speaking out into things. Before Jesus was Jesus, he was the word and then he became the flesh. That's powerful. That means that there's power in your tongue. So we shouldn't be having four mics and four serians and saying, why are serians so troubled? Why are they so bad? Why are they so broken? Every ethnicity is, there's just less of us. So if we're going to lead with the example, we got to give more, not praise, because that's, it could lead in the wrong direction.

But say our church did fail us. Say our people did fail us. Well, God has blessed us with four microphones that's reaching millions of people. So instead of looking at what our ancestors did, that bro. I don't think that's what we're doing. What I'm doing here is I'm asking a question to say, if you're running, if anything you run with business

or company or a sports team or military, and you say this company's been around for this many years longer, we have this many more patents, we have this many more successes, we have this many more things. We have this many more successes. We have this many more things. Why is the company bankrupt today? And if you think I was coming at you in a way where I think you were coming down our people,

I wasn't at all. What I was saying is that, I don't think God left favor that, but I think what happens in business is there's up times and there's down times. And I think right now is a good moment for us to be up because we have very powerful positions. I do agree that our church may have gone the wrong direction.

I do agree that our people are lost. And I do agree that we don't have a land. Yeah, so then what is that though? So if let's just say, a series are gonna be watching this, like whether different age categories, different backgrounds, different financial situations there, and from different parts of the world,

they're gonna be listening to this. And they're probably in the same place when they're going and explaining somebody that I'm in a series like, what is in a series? They're probably going through the same thing. There's three and a half million of us, right? A lot of the series I know, they're workers, they're valued-based people, they get things done,

they're good fathers, they value family. These are all things that you ought to value to have in your community. If you live in a community with a serians there, you probably like these as serians. You probably like spending time with them. You probably like your kids being with their kids and going over to their house. I'm asking a bigger question. I don't, you know, me, small things are great.

I want to solve for big things and big things would be, you know, when I'm having a crown prince here and we're having a conversation about how to create democracy in Iran, how do we do that? I want to take my kids back to Iran and show them, hey, here's why I was raised.

I'm a Syrian and I'm Armenian and I was born in Iran and I was made in America. So to me, those four places matter to me a lot. Why don't, what do assyrians need to do? Is it really truly faith first? And let's just say if it is, then what is it? What needs to be next and what is that goal?

Look, as I go back to that, like real example between the two twin brothers, why did this one decided to be like that and the other one totally opposite to that? I believe experiences in life should be a very, very valuable lesson for all of us. So we need to learn from the successes and the failures and we all go through success and failures

and speaking as a nation, all nations do go through that. But the thing I pray for, our Assyrian nation, is to learn from the experiences of life in the past and try to come up with a better way of making the future more brighter for the whole nation. Until now, I don't think we have reached that level to say that we have learned from our failures in the past to try to make a better future and a more successful future.

We still have divisions within our nation. We still have divisions within our own church as well. So how can then we have a land when we are really divided and So many factions it is impossible impossible So we need to come back and read and say until when are we going to remain in division until when As you mentioned the apathric earlier our our beloved Jews. When it comes to nationalism, they all are united. They all come into it, and they need to support their nation, their country, their identity.

We need to do the same thing, but we are still fighting over trivial things that are really not worth spending that time on. We need to move away from that haunting past where it's bringing more and more division and we need to find a way to come into unity and say this is the way we need to do it. But what are we solving for? I guess what I'm trying for example, on the Armenian side, they're super united. Yes. Not 100%. They still have the Armenian from Lebanon, Barskaha, Yerevan, Seattle, but they're Armenians, they're Unites, right?

Correct. You know, when it comes on to the Syrian side, what dream are we selling? What are we pursuing? Because if there's not a dream, then say somebody that's in political power, they don't know how to help, they don't know how to contribute.

Say somebody's a military leader in their Syrian, they don't know how to help, they don't know how to contribute. Say somebody's in military leader in their Syrian, they don't know how to help, they don't know how to contribute. Say somebody's in a Hollywood or media space, they don't know how to, what am I, what is division? What are we doing? What vision are we selling for, like even if we were to call a meeting together and we brought the top 100 most influential

of the Syrians to get in the same room. Great, what are we solving for? What should be division? Is it just, let's all come together and, you know, be aligned with God and, you know, work together as a team? Or should there be something to say, no, here's a vision. Why don't we aim at that, that, that, that, that, that as the Assyrian vision? That's kind of where I'm going with this. Go ahead. In the scripture is set, and I only bring up scripture because I know the people that are listening are, are dedicated listeners are going to be a serians, right? And I wanna speak the language that we all understand

and it's the gospel. Seek first the kingdom and the rest shall follow. Amen. Okay, so if we all unite who Christ is, then we could use these as blocks. And remember Jews are very powerful, but they didn't have Jerusalem, they lost that, and then that got it back.

So what I believe is that if we all as good children are united, then the father will reward the children. But I think that if the children are divided, you have children, and you know what I love? My favorite part about spending time with you is I even asked Andrew Tee, I brought up who are the three top fathers that you think, and I brought you up because I truly,

when I looked at the way you ran your house, I asked God if I could do half of this man's work, then I'd be good, my children would be set. But in the very, very, very beginning of any household and anything is who's in charge? Who is in charge? I agree. And I think what's happening is so many people

that shouldn't be in charge. I'm Adi Bayla, who is it today? Who's in charge? Alah. Bedan, Ababana. No, no, but that's't be in charge. I'm Adi Mahela, who is it today? Who's in charge? Alaha. Bedain. No, no, but that's what it should be. And a part of who you are. I understand you're saying, Alaha, I agree.

God is in charge, totally get it. But now, who is that spokesperson for the Assyrian community to bring them together? Alaha Mahela, I don't know. The thing is again, the tribal influence. We've got a problem. See, any human being cannot be free from earthly things until they come into this encounter with the true divine God. We need to come

back to Jesus Christ of Nazareth as a nation. I believe this. Now, some people may disagree with me. Some people within the Assyrian nation may not even believe in the Lord Jesus as being God. But whether you accept it or not, this is the truth my dear friend, my dear brother, my dear sister. We need God in our life in order to unite first as people then to seek a place for these people. Can I challenge? Can I challenge that mindset? Okay.

I have a lot of Jewish friends who, they'll say they're Jewish, right? Yes. I don't know if you're not, I'm kind Jew-ish and they'll do this thing, right? but Will they go back and serve their country? Yes Will they go back and do this? Yes There's a lot of people that serve this country and love America and they're not Christians There's a lot of people that you know, right love the red, white and blue and they're you know

Maybe a different denomination or different faith and I get that but there is and they're maybe a different denomination or a different faith. And I get that, but there is not 100% of the community is gonna be all behind team Jesus. That's not gonna be 100%. There's gonna be some that have pride behind their country, pride behind their land, pride behind their blood. Hope, Analambia, Tanana, Agatana, Alalheed,

and then you know what, get out of here. You're not gonna be part of the crew cause you can still contribute to the thing. So maybe divisions gotta be multifaceted, maybe it's gotta be hey, of course, at the end of the day, if this is gonna happen, it's gonna happen because God's hand over the people and He's gonna wanna make sure this becomes a reality.

By the way, you know, Assyrians seized, they were empowered, they ruled for 19 centuries, right? 600 BC is the last time we had a land. seized, they were empowered, they ruled for 19 centuries, right? 600 BC is the last time we had a land. That is 2,600 years ago. We've been on a slum for a long time. Our quarterly earnings have been pretty terrible for a long time, right? So all I'm saying is, can we like bring back a little bit?

Let's have one company go public. Let's do some things here that we can start winning again. I don't know if it's just, and by the way, I think faith is gonna be a conversation. I'm gonna go to next. I just wanna know what is that. What's winning? Because winning here with like materialistic things

are having a great company or great churches or great running, because I know all million churches that have millions of people and that millions of dollars, but I guarantee you they're gonna have a problem. Not a financial, I'm not talking financial. What I mean winning to me is, like for example, right now, Jennifer and I are talking and she says, hey, babe, kids are learning Armenian right now. And I love it.

They're coming in, they're talking to me in Armenian. And my wife's white. And she cares about my kids speaking Armenian. And she says, babe, should we have the kids learn far-seen-ex or Assyria next? Which community is bigger? I said, babe, it's not even a question. Like Persian community is bigger. But you know what?

I want the kids to learn Assyria. OK. So let them learn Assyria. Now, if we, winning to me, is unified. If we can go and bring our power together, our influence together, and we have a common vision we've all agreed on that we're going to. Now you can save from the pulpit.

Now you can save from your podcast. Now this person can save from their military base. Now that guy can save from the comedy stage. Now this guy can save from a movie. Now that guy can save from an acceptance speech. This guy can save from this place, from business. It doesn't matter. We have to collectively bring all our resources

to tell the world, here's what we're doing, get the backing of it, and then use whatever resources we can bring to the table to go, win, winning will be, we got land, there's representation, here's how it's being protected, here's what we're gonna be doing, that's what I mean by it. I think it's fair to say it's better if a Syrians get a country, right?

We would like to have our own land. Absolutely. That would be an element of winning. I remember back in 2000, I went with my, I call my earthly mother and my god, Ristra Sol and peace. She moved on this year and in June. So and my god have mercy on all the, all the departed souls. We went to Iran because from my mother's side,

there is one side which is Ormijna'i, which is from Iran. So we went to Ormiy and we visited the villages around Ormiy. And we went to this village called Satlua. Now, in Satlua, we were walking and those beautiful little villages, alleys, and then people were standing just outside, and I heard this family speaking in Assyrian, and they greeted us in Assyrian, Shlama Lohun.

Please do come in, you know, the very hospitable people. So, and then we walked further, and then another family against spoken Assyrian, and another family in Assyrian. I was still very young, and then for the first time ever, it hit me so beautifully. And I said, I asked the question, I said, how come all these people speak Assyrian?

He said, well, the entire village are Assyrian speaking, people, they're all Assyrians. It felt at home, honestly. I must say it felt at home. I was so happy, so so happy, because I've never experienced that ever, ever, ever before. Imagine all your neighbors are as serious. It's wonderful. It's beautiful. But above all, imagine this neighbor has the love of God and the fear of God. What we are lacking, the apatric,

is leadership. In our nation, is leadership. And as George sort of addressed this, who is in charge? This is the problem of us. We, if someone comes and says, let's elect this person to be, the spokesperson for the entire Syrian nation, they will say, well, how come you selected this one? How come not that one or me?

Why is he from this tribe? This is a stranger. Again, I've witnessed this, I've seen this, I've lived this. Tribal influence, whether we like it or not, is a reality and it's a haunting reality. I must say, even within the church circle, even within the church circle, if I am, if the majority are from this particular tribal background,

they have to rule. And if someone else who is more worthy maybe, he is more qualified, not worthy, more qualified to be in that position, but he is not from that tribe, which is the majority in that particular church, they will never, ever give him that opportunity to take that leadership role where he could have done wonders and miracles if he had been appointed there. Tribal influence, unfortunately, is a hindrance and a big one.

So now, so that's exactly where I was trying to get to. I'm trying to find out what is hindering. So maybe one of them could be tribal influence that within that small tribe, however big it may be somebody's at the top and they don't want to relinquish or give up their power and authority and influence that they have over their people. That's a weakness.

That's a bit of a weakness. But think about it, Pat, do you think right now, if right now they just said, and I'm just naming a name, George, we're gonna have George, finally, because we talked about it in here, we put all the pieces in order, we're gonna have George speak for the Syrian people, we need a leader and we're gonna go around George. It would never, they're just like the bishops said, they're gonna eat them alive. This side's gonna say this, this side's gonna say that it's almost as if, and I've heard

this before, Bishop, I'm pretty sure you haven't, you have to, that just a serians were just in the Bible, were just not meant to be here, we're doomed, and it's written that we're not supposed to have a land and we're not supposed to have anything. That's what people are gonna say, and that's exactly what we're gonna do. I have hope, I have faith in God. I'm not as deep in the scriptures as you guys are,

but it's like, and you've taught me more than anybody, not to be hopeless, you know, have faith. There is a chance, but with the way that a Syrians are with that tribal, that anger, that thing, it's almost to me, it's like impossible to think that they'll pick one to do it. I think this isn't sequencing, is what I'm thinking. If done in the right sequence, the first sequence is

bring up the conversation. Okay. Then let small communities all talk to each other tonight during dinner. Hey, Dad, why do you think this? Hey, Mom, why do you think this? Hey, bro, why do you think this? Hey, let me see. These guys were talking about the serial and the other day, they said, Atomu, Techmunit. What do you think about what you said? What do you think? Okay. So step number one, let them have the conversation. But then two is, if there is somebody selling what makes the Syrian blood unique and you're selling that over and over and over again,

then what does that create? That creates pride. Then when there is pride, then that happens through affirmations and of selling the dream constantly of why you need to have pride in your background. Vendor needs to be a meeting, then a meeting needs to be trying to find a way to,

hey, let's unify, let's simplify, let's multiply. The works in business, it works in religion, it works in media, it works in YouTube, unify everybody, let's simplify message, and let's go multiple and tell everybody else about it. And what's the vision? Here's a vision. This is what we're doing. Great, ready? Boom, boom, boom, break, let's simplify message, and let's go multiple on tele- everybody else about it. And what's the vision? Here's a vision. This is what we're doing. Great, ready?

Boom, boom, boom, break, let's go, boom. And then everyone is selling that and collectively, people can come together and fight for something. But the idea of saying, you know, it'll never happen, I don't know about this, I don't know about that. Well then guess what, you keep saying,

now you're right, it's not gonna happen. But for me, I don't know about that. Well then guess what, you keep saying, are you right, it's not gonna happen. But for me, I'd like to see the first conversation starts off with the uncomfortable conversation of why are we here. And then let's see what we go from there. You know, sorry. No, please, yeah. Deopathic, I believe, when I mentioned earlier that we lacking leadership,

like for example, if a father at home, the father needs to be the servant of that household. He cannot be the dictator of that household. He needs to lead by example. How do I teach my children to be faithful, to be morally sound and all that? I need to lead by example. The problem with us as Assyrians, we have missed, we lack that trust of that leadership. Maybe there has come leaders in the past, but there was no leading by example. That's why that trust is also broken.

You see, as I said, we are a broken nation. We are shattered. We are scattered everywhere. Recently, we just visited three different countries, Turkey, Lebanon and Syria. And we've met a lot of Assyrian people in these three countries. That was back in September of the year. When we went to this particular city, the person whom we have been dealing with back in Sydney and ascending whatever support we could send by the grace of the Lord, when he greeted us

at the airport, he said, Bishop, you are the first bishop in 100 deas to enter the city. We have never seen a bishop ever coming to the city and just saying hello. We're not seeking financial support. We're not saying, someone's so leader, please bring us money, we need money. No, we need love. We need a leader that is thinking of us. We need a leader that is coming to us, whether I am in the street, whether wherever I am, I want to see my leader to be hands on,

I want to see my leader walking the streets barefooted, I want to see my leader leading me in that. That's right. This is what we are lacking. Now for a leader to go there for the first time in 100 years, that is disastrous. That is disastrous. All glory to the Lord Jesus, if there is a sinner, it is me. But my heart is broken, is shattered as a Christian Assyrian. And I will say Christian Assyrian, because the only time I will be a proud Christian when

Christ is the crown of my glory. This is the dilemma. I'm sorry, but this is the truth. my glory. This is the dilemma. I'm sorry, but this is the truth, and I'm not sorry for it. We need to come back to Jesus Christ, because who sent me to that city? It was the Lord Jesus. Who reminded me of my brethren that are suffering?

It was the Lord Jesus who made me to walk the distance. It was the Lord, not me, not my earthly father, not my earthly mother. It is Jesus Christ of Nazareth who said to me, go and seek those who are missing, forgotten, afflicted, left behind. It's the Lord. We are missing behind. It's the Lord. We are missing this in our leadership roles. The fear of the Lord is the beginning to wisdom. That's the RMAQ language. It can be translated as well. The foundation of wisdom is the fear of the Lord, because the beginning here means the foundation. Now, as a leader, you need to be the foundation, but guess what? The foundation is the one that carries the entire structure.

The foundation is the one that is unseen. You see, when you look at a house, when you look at a beautiful tree, you'll stand and contemplate on that tree and you say, what a beautiful tree. Look at the branches, look at the leaves, look at the fruits. But all this beauty was made possible by the hidden roots underneath that ground. It is the roots. And this is where Saint Paul puts it so beautifully. He says, children, no matter how smart, how wise you are and successful, do not forget you are the fruits

and the fruits do not carry the tree. It is the roots who are the parents who carry the tree. Again, coming back as George mentioned, who is in charge? And whoever is in charge need be hidden, i.e. self-denial, the problem with our leadership, whether as a nation or as a church. The moment we sent on that throne, we think we are Augustus Caesar. Listen, my dear friend, that throne of being a patriarch, of being a bishop, that throne

is the throne of being the servant of all, not the leader of all, in the leader of all in the sense of controlling. The problem with our nation, we do not have enough humble leaders. We do not have enough God-fearing leaders. I'm not saying we don't entirely know we do, but there is not enough of them. And unfortunately, this is the dilemma of our people. Assyrian people, I have to be honest, Assyrian people are very kind-hearted people, are very generous people.

They sacrifice when we ask for help, they come out, and even if they don't have, they'll do their ultimate best to give. Very generous people. This is in our blood, in our DNA. Compared to other nationalities with all of them in respect, I've seen it. Very generous people, but they lack trust and their leadership. Beautiful, we said.

I want to bring it back to Judaism because they have a great nation right now. It's very strong. But before, remember, even before King David was the king, they kept falling. I mean, think about when Moses was supposed to pick two weeks, but it took 40 years because what happened is the people left God's will. They said, hey, I know you gave us the example. I know you gave us the commandments, but we'd rather worship this rock. So the reason why me and him are standing saying, first comes

a relationship with God because we are God's people, right? If we are a certain, the first things that we say is, oh, we speak the language, Jesus Christ spoke, all of our claims is having to do with Christ, then we better act accordingly because we can't misrepresent him. Then he can't, as the CEO, he doesn't even wanna step in because he's like, you guys are representing me the wrong way. That's one, two, I'm very new, I'm the youngest one here. And it's very troubling when I speak

because I might have wisdom from the gospel, but I don't have time. And I think a lot of time is necessary because you make the mistakes you learn from them. But the one thing that I've learned is I disagree with you. I'm going this direction and I'm bringing everybody with me. I disagree with you Pat.

I'm taking everything that you taught me and you gave me and you loved me. I'm bringing it this way. That's only the devil. Only the devil wants to tear something up. If you brought me this platform and it's the moment that I have power and I use it to beat you over the head with it and leave,

that's an evil move. So if I was the head d'arrah or anything represented in my church, what I realize is this, when you read the scripture, Jesus is moving around and he's moving or he's moonwalking past the Pharisees in the scholar holders, why? Because he's not offending and he's not or he's moonwalking past the Pharisees in the scholar holders. Why? Because he's not offending

and he's not going against them. He's playing by their rules and still managing to destroy them. Every day they wake up, what did Jesus do today? Did he do something that we could stone him with? And he moonwalks past them. Because he's not offending

and he's not separating. He's just leading with the example. So if I was a man that's in the church and he's not separating. He's just leading with example. So if I was a man that's in the church and I'm noticing that it's wrong, I'm not gonna go say, hey, gather, gather today, we're gonna be against them. We need to show them that they're wrong. Let's take everybody, take your families, take your money.

Let's break this house, let's go over here. Or we could, ready for this, when the king wanted to stone Jesus, he's could it because the people saw him as a prophet. They were scared of the people, not the soldiers. They were scared of their Libba more than they were of their weapons. They were scared.

They thought John the Baptist came back to life. They were paralyzed. Amen. So what happened is the power got removed from the people and went to Darra. And people started getting scared of the man on the pulpit versus the man in charge. But if we have four microphones,

we have a man who's with Darra, we have a man who's Patrick Badevin, we have Vinnie, we have all of these powerful things, we instead of separating, which I don't think anybody here is doing, this is just me speaking out loud. If we are going to take a step, it's first and foremost, know who God is, second, don't offend anybody, leave with example,

and third, get the power back to the people, and not the kings. I think it's mathematically impossible to choose to do the impossible without offending people. I think it's mathematically impossible to choose to unify thinking. You need 100% of people to be on the same page. You don't.

Oh, no, no, no, no. There's a difference from trying to offend Patrick versus I'm gonna do this. And if I fend you, I'm gonna dust my feet and leave. No, no, no, no, no, I sound what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is whenever you wanna do something big, and this is not easy to do. Like, well, we're talking about here is not an easy thing to do. We can transition. I got easy to do. Like, what we're talking about here

is not an easy thing to do. We can transition, I got a couple of. Maybe our children will do it, but the conversation started. Yeah, I agree, but I think in doing anything big, you're going to offend some people to wanna do that. Okay, so George, this is a question for you. And I'm curious on what you're gonna say about this.

So, Americans under 30 don't trust religion, okay? This study just came out. Young Americans, particularly Gen Z and the young millennials, and increasingly disaffiliating from organized religion with up to 40% of categorizing themselves as nuns, a term encompassing atheists, agnostic, and those, no specific religious affiliation. Many of these young adults prefer to identity

as nothing in particular reflecting their reluctance to align with a defined religious worldview. This formative, this trust is attributed to the experience of grown up during periods of political turmoil, where institutions and processes were increasingly criticized in question. Factors contributing to this dissatisfaction. This affiliation from organized religions

amongst younger adults include evolving views on the issues like abortion LGBTQ acceptance and a role of women and churches. Okay, so that's that part. Now, having said this, you were one of the three characters on the Impossa podcast. It's yourself, Mike, and Logan Paul, right? And it's the three of you.

And you guys were, there was a very good combination between the three of you. I didn't know you were a Syrian until somebody said, you know, George Enkel's a Syrian. And I'm like, oh, he says, oh, no way. That's cool. And he started talking about your faith. I think it's July 19, 2020, 2021, you are having a conversation.

Let me see if this is the one. No, let me get the exact dates on this. Hang on one second. Here you go. In August of 2020, you're on the Impulsive Podcast Episode 206, which came under criticism after the two got into heated debate, Christian values. It came to a head with a hypothetical regarding Hitler and the potential of killing him. If he came back to life, some guy was going back and he said,

do you forgive everybody? And I said, absolutely 100%. He goes, Hitler comes back to life. You had a chance to kill him right now. Do you kill him? I go, no, Franco explain. Hitler at the end of the day, what's such a powerful speaker,

so motivating and so strong in the situation. When I took this man, anybody like this man, I just don't, you know, flesh. And it was you guys go back and four. Those comments were met with laughter from Logan Paul, okay? Who was taken back by how ludicrous they were, many fans downvoted the video and voiced their disappointment and paused this respectful reply.

Logan Paul addressed the backlash on the next episode of Impulsive Podcast where he said, the podcast was a place to debate. Paul believes that while he considers Janko a good friend, he will point out how insane his opinion was. Now why do I bring this up? You are right now 30 years old. When this happened, you were 27 years old. This whole article is about people under 30.

I don't know how many people have as much influence over people under 30 as Logan Paul, maybe Mr. Beast, maybe a couple of other guy, probably Mr. Beast's probably gonna be number one in that category, but Logan's in that category. Why do you think young adults under the age of 30 are not turned on by the idea of believing in a God today and it's the lowest number we've seen in a long time in America.

So much unpack. So first, that statistic of many people going the wrong direction. The first statistic was that forgive was in the gospel and he said many will go through the Broadway and very few would go through the correct way through what we believe to be as Christ. And for you to really submit yourself to God, you have to get rid of your ego. You have to die yourself. When you really meet the Creator and you realize the separation distance between God and you, it's a very humbling experience. And it changes you.

It changes everything about you. It changes the way you speak. It changes the way you interact with your enemies. It changes the way that you look at life. You value the things that you didn't value before. And then the things you did value, you look at them and you laugh and you're like, why did I even value this stuff?

It changes your heart. And in the scripture, he always says, for those who have ears that want to hear and those who have eyes that want to see, what are you investing in? And when I grew up, I was blessed to be in a home that's Christian, but I never really invested in it. The ones I invested in it, like your business, you fall in love with it, you fall over your craft,

you absorb everything into it. And young people don't want to be told what they can't do. Young people don't want, I can only have sex with one girl. I wait, wait, hold on. It's wrong for me to want to go do this and go to do this. And I think what happened is there's so many people telling them what they shouldn't be doing. And there's less examples of what love is. That's why I find Christ to be so cool, dude.

If you, if you, if you observed from a historical standpoint, what that man was saying during the times that he was saying in, Bro, he, he was out, out raging everyone was mad at this man. When they came up to me, they're like, Hey, what's up with this? And you divorcing like we can't divorce people because we don't like the way they cook. And God's like, Okay, well, then you're going to have to give half of your stuff. People didn't know that Jesus was standing up for women back then. People will go over here and be like, you believe in a show, a mystic religion and a God.

I'm like the person that shared the good news was a prostitute. The first person that realized that Jesus woke from the dead was a prostitute and she was the one that went to deliver the news to the disciples. There's misinformation. Just like in this country right now, it's divided because of misinformation. There's a lot of people filling in junk in these young people's hearts, but then when they grow up to grow old,

and they were like, let me weigh this out for a bit. Let me see what's actually, I think, is wrong, what I think is actually right. And I think young people are under a type because of social media. I mean, like, why would I want to get off the phone when this is giving me so much more than me flipping through my Bible.

And I'm like, I can't even understand this. Let me ask you how much you think, because if you go back 20 years ago, right, we didn't have these things here. We didn't have the smartphone. We didn't have the social. So kids looked up to a pastor, a priest, or whoever's on TV.

Today, they look up to, you know, the social media influencers, a lot of these younger guys who, most of them are not getting up, they're talking about God or they're not talking about faith because if you do, you probably would lose followership, you know, you're like, well, it's not cool, it's a lot better if I do this and if I do that and if I do this, this is a better way of me making money. What do you think social media has turned, you know, Logan Paul may be a pastor in a religion of certain form of a religion to young boys that are looking up to somebody

like him. Do you think socials made some of these guys in a way where they don't feel they can talk about their faith and young kids are looking at them saying, that's my hero instead of me looking up to God. I think that we live like kings now, everyone, like legit, like a middle-class man lives better than what King David lived like.

And I think that's why God says, I judge your heart, not your actions. Your actions are meaningless. Your actions are limited to your accessibility. How much money you have, how much power, how much influence. That's why he judges your heart. What are you doing? When you see and forgive me, I'm going to speak about difficult things if I have. But we look at the stuff that they're watching with pornography and what they're fantasizing about. It's corrupted. It's evil. Would they do that in real life?

Would they cheat? Would they sleep with that married woman or the woman who's stuck? These are all really like heart-hitting questions. Yeah, as you could watch it on your iPad, but would you do that in real life? You would sleep with this man's wife when he's not around. And these people are doing what they could.

When that door's locked and that lotions next to them, they'll do whatever they want. God knows they would do that when the chance to come in front of them and the opportunity was there, they would take it. The internet just gives you the opportunity to be wild and out. You could be whoever you want online and you're protected and you have a majority of people siding with you. So I don't believe this generation became more evil because of the internet or the phone. I believe

that they're accessible to be who they really are. So I think at the end of the day, phones are no phones. Who they are deep in their hearts is who God's watching them out to be. So then maybe flip it. So why are influencers not turned on by the message that God and Christ provides? Why are they not turned on by?

You know, why is it that, you know, today, why is Andrew Tate whom you just went and sat down with in Romania? Why is Andrew Tate a pretty smart guy? This is a guy that's very good at communicating talent stories. He's an alpha. Why is he a Muslim? Why does he get up there and say the argument for Muslim is a better argument for Christians because Muslims stand up for their faith while Christians don't.

Muslims don't will defend what they stand for, but Christians don't have the backbone that Muslims have. Why do you think a guy like that was turned on to being a Muslim instead of being a Christian? I can't speak for another man because I don't know what shoes, right?

I don't know what he's done. But if a man gives me his examples by the people, it's not a very good example. But if you're giving an example of why you worship the God you worship, and these are the reasons why he's a real God and why this is this and this and that, then I'll be able to listen. But for you to judge my people, for example,

we're sitting here talking about a series, but I love a series and I think a series of people are good. Now, their track record right now might not be the craziest, but that doesn't define my people, right? They're separated. Now, I had't define my people, right? They're separated. Now, I had this in my mind and I wanted to say, but I want to make sure I word it perfectly.

The first person that I realized ran the earth is when Jesus was in the wilderness and Lucifer came to him and he goes, Hey man, you worship me and you'll get all this stuff. That is the story that's been told for thousands of years. The people on top are not worshiping God, they're worshiping themselves

and they're worshiping the material. And everybody's looking at it because Hollywood knows how to edit it and make it look beautiful. Because remember, the angel that we saw that's called Lucifer was the angel of entertainment. He was the angel of music. So a long shot is this man is probably using his skill sets to influence other people, but you have money, you have access, you have power.

It gets old and it rots up and it goes away. And guess what? From your standpoint of standing here with all of your success and I could go throw a rock at a homeless guy, you guys have the same grave. And when people really understand that, their decisions on earth change because they haven't been in your shoes. They just think that your shoes is easy and it's fun and it's fast and it's sexy. But they haven't been in your shoes. They haven't seen the struggles that you've had. The choices you've made, the sacrifices you've made.

They see something on a screen and they go, I want bad girls and money, 100%. That's my God, okay? But this is the craziest move Jesus did to the people that didn't agree with them. Okay, go ahead. Bishamari, question for you. So you're very, you won't hold back during COVID,

you were everywhere. You called that Australia, you called that America, you called that Fauci, you called out anybody and everybody. You were not willing to, you know, cave to the mob and the establishment. And people found you. To the average person, you're not mob and the establishment. And people found you. To the average person, you're not a bishop, a Syrian. To the average person, you're the man that speaks to truth.

Oh, he is a Syrian. I did not know that, right? That's kind of how you're known to most people around the world. Why do you think, you know, just 56 years ago, Christians, there was four times the amount of Christians as Muslims, 30 to four times the amount of Christians as Muslims. Now it's about one to one, okay. It's a little shy of that. Christians that 2.1 kids per woman, Muslims have 2.9. Muslims are out there, you know, God forbid you say something about

the religion of Islam. You will be destroyed by not one or two. They will come after you if you say anything about them and their faith. Why do you think the Christian religion has hit a wall and it's not growing at the levels that it was? I can give you the growth rate here, the population growth there for Christianity. 1.18% is what it is right now, Christianity. 1.18% is what they have. Within it, the fastest grown one is 1.88% per cent per cent castles. Then the next one is evangelicals. You got Catholics at the lowest one, 0.93. Catholics are grown at the lowest. Islam on fire, grown the way they are. The way it's grown right now in the next 30 years,

you know, majority of the Senate, majority of the House is going to be Muslims. Why do you think Christians have flatline and Muslims are grown the way they are? The Lord Jesus did say, when we read in the book of Revelation, he said, my church and the end of times would have walked away from me. See when you look at the Revelation chapter 2 and 3 it talks about

the seven churches in Asia and begins with Ephesus and then ends up with Leodicia. These names are all of Greek origin. Now it began with Ephesus, that was the first era, the first century, which is the beloved one. But it ended up with the rebellious one. I believe nowadays, the church in general, the universal church in general, is not seeking the true Messiah. It has created a Christ that follows her,

instead of her following him. There is so many factors that are happening within Christendom. That's why it ended up being maybe so weak. And the face of 2020, what was happening on a global level, all church leaders, maybe just a few, very few here and there, all of them agreed, all of them supported, and all of them encouraged their flock to adhere to what was happening. Yet it was really very clear. Everything was actually planned, it was planned them against that of a pandemic. But the problem is, the moment the church loses Christ, the church loses her power and authority.

Everything comes from the Lord Jesus. If somebody says that the Lord Jesus was very loving, very kind, very merciful, he was very weak. In fact, they dragged him the streets of Jerusalem, they kicked him, punched him, bashed him, and then they nailed him on the cross fully naked. That's to us, it's very weak. What kind of a God is that? But they do not understand the concept of love, of love. On the other hand, if there has been any men in the history of humanity that changed, the history of mankind is the one and only Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He is the only one who changed the history of mankind without carrying one sort or one bullet. He changed the world with love. Love is foundational, love is the supreme ethic. If somebody

talks about my Lord Jesus in a negative way and then I go on a rampage, on a riot, and go on the streets and say, how dare you talk about my Jesus? I don't believe this is a powerful way of expressing my faith because Christianity, we do not defend the faith, we do not defend Christ, it is Christ who defends us. I don't need to defend him. I don't need to stand and say this and that. However, however, when I am submissive to him, when I am faithful and loyal to him,

when I am trying my hardest by his grace to be with him, or no, he will give me this might and this power, nothing, nothing worries me. Nothing can ever shake me or break me. Because when you have Christ, you've got nothing to lose. The problem with the church, it is weak because it is not reflecting the trumasiah. That's why it's weak.

Why do you think that is though? Why are they not doing that? Why are they not? Because the throne, the throne. We've set on high places and those thrones are dangerous, they can change, they can change minds and hearts. You see, it was at the time of the Lord Jesus. History is repeating itself once again.

When the Lord came, he went into the temple and that temple was his. But what did he say? He said, my house is the house of prayer, but you have turned it into a den of thieves. You have turned it into a den of thieves. You have turned it into a den of thieves. And in fact, he spoke about the house twice, and one was in the gospel of John and the other one in Matthew. And John, that was the beginning of his ministry, and in Matthew was the end of his ministry. In the beginning, he said, my father's house is the house of prayer,

but you've turned it into a marketplace buying and selling. But when he came to his house, he said, my house is the house of prayer, but you've turned it into a den of thieves. Now, what is a den of thieves? What is the house associated to Jesus Christ? What is associated with Christ is glory, and what is associated with His Father is love. That's why when it comes to love, there is buying and selling, because you will never buy something that you do not love. You will only buy the things that you really love. But when it comes to the Lord Jesus, it's to do with glory.

And what is Christ's glory, the cross? You know, it takes power for someone to deny themselves. A weak person cannot deny himself or herself. It takes wisdom, it takes power for me to deny myself and live for the one I love. Christ is the leading example in this. He died in order to say, I lived for you, Patrick and Vinnie and George and me and all of us and the entire world. And for me to live for you, therefore I gave my life up for you to say that this is the

true love. In this, no one can argue, no one can fight. Maybe I can force someone to love me, but I cannot do it freely, forcefully. And when I force someone to love me, the moment they have the opportunity to attack me, rest assured, they will never hesitate to do so. But the Lord wants people that choose to be with him, not forcefully be with him. Christ is totally different to any other religious figure out there. And the Lord invited everyone to walk through the narrow gate. He said, the gate is narrow and the way is difficult and only if you find it, but this way leads to eternal life. But

He said it, only if you find it. So when you just see the majority there, quantity doesn't mean anything. It is the quality which Christ is looking for. The problem with the church is seeking quantity, not quality. It took one man to change the history of mankind, Jesus Christ. It took St. Paul to change the people of his era and generation after him. God can work with one to do his job.

I think that's very, the quantity versus quality argument, I totally agree, and 300, they were very strong, but they got destroyed by a bigger army. And whatever army that gets bigger is going to have a bigger voice and able to recruit more people. Let me kind of give you one story.

The Saturday I get back from LA and Vegas and I have a swim meet for Dylan, my youngest son. And I'm sitting there and I'm watching him do his thing and I'm this guy sitting next to me, hey, how you doing good? So tell me your story, what do you do? I'm a pastor, all very cool. So what made you want to be a pastor? This is that, hey, how you doing good? So, you know, tell me your story. What do you do? I'm a pastor. Oh, very cool.

So what made you want to be a pastor? This is that. Okay, great. So, why do you think the Christian church is ungrown right now? What do you think it's flat-lining? Why do you think Mormons are growing? Why do you think certain sects are growing?

But why do you think the Christian church is not grown and Islam has grown the way it is? Why do I think the congregations need to get more passionate about their faith. I said, interesting. So the congregation needs to. Yeah. So got it. Okay. I said, who's leading the charge? Who's doing the inspiration? Who's doing the challenge? And who's doing the expectation? Who's selling high standards? Who's doing that today?

There's not a Billy Graham. It's a Joel Austin. I don't see Joel Austin doing it. Joel Austin is a Billy Gramped. Billy Gramped, 210 million people. He was doing it when he went to LA and gave, he was preaching at Rose Bowl, 2003 in November, where they made it a Billy Gramped day. I was there three out of the four days and I want to listen to him. You got the same life? Three times, three out of four days. So, so what's the, so what's the, you know, what is the, you know, a person from the pulpit that's doing it? By the way, I've only had one pastor ever on my podcast

and a preacher, only one. You're whether it's priest, pastor, preacher, whatever category you want. You're the only one. So why is it? I've only had you. I've interviewed a lot of people over the last 10 years. Why are you the only one?

Because your messaging is a message of high standards. And it's attractive to a father like myself that I have four kids. I think we've gotten away from that message. That it's not a message of the tolerant message. It's okay, it's okay, it's okay. Yes. You know, and then we went back in for having a conversation. Unfortunately, I couldn't finish it because I had to come back

with Dylan's baseball party at the house, but What do you think about that part where the leaders of many of these churches are Caving to being too tolerant and acceptance of everything and let anybody and I mean the Pope just had a group of a transgender's over at the What do you call it? For luncheon, like a luncheon. And then he's saying, hey, we need to be asking theologians to demasculize the Catholic church.

He urges religions to unite against environmental devastation. A lot of these weird things that he is saying, which is a, let's be more tolerant, let's be more tolerant, let's be more tolerant. So do you think that could be one of the reasons why the church isn't grown the way that it used to be? Absolutely. The Lord Jesus, if we were to compare him

to any other religious figure, I just wanna come back to this point where you said Islam is growing and Christianity is not. If we were to compare, even though there is no comparison, but let us compare them for a moment with other religious figures with all of them respect. Let's say Islamism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, all the religions of the world and all the leaders of those religions.

Let's say the ultimate they could have achieved in their life and relation to humanity, they would have probably achieved the ultimate by changing a bad person into a good person, by bringing some values, morals and whatever they brought with. So they would have changed a bad person into a good person. Jesus Christ of Nazareth, all glory to His holy name, He did not come to change a bad person into a good person, He came to change a dead person and to a living one. In this there is no comparison. Jesus Christ stands supreme, alone and high up there, beyond any other

religious figure. The problem, dear Patrick, the problem of the church leaders is one thing. The beginning, the very beginning with Christ, a relationship with Christ, it begins with death. He needs, he said, carry my cross and follow me. And this is what I said, I meant to say, when he said, my house is the house of prayer and he's turned it into a den of thieves. What's associated with Christ is glory. And what is Christ's glory, the cross? What is cross, death? What is death? Self-denial. This is the human dilemma. We cannot deny ourself why, because I need to give up on the things I love, I want to do, I choose to do. For me to give up on them, I cannot, it's a struggle. But the Lord says, unless I live in you and law longer is you, you cannot make it. When the church leader puts

himself on the throne and make himself seen to the congregation and to the faithfuls, he's lost himself, he's lost the flock with Him. He needs to reflect Christ to the congregation, not Himself. A leader that makes followers, love Him not Christ, is a failure. But the leader that makes the followers love Christ through Him, that is a successful leader. Today, leaders are sitting on those thrones, and by the way, that throne is Christ, it's not mine. All of us were we were in the Pixfield. Who brought me out of that Pixfield? Who brought me out of the filth of the world and the temptation of the world, the blood of the Lamb of God who was shed on Calvary?

Now when I look at the cross, that is the power of God. This is the ultimate, ultimate love when I give my life for the one I love love when I give my life for the one I love, when I give my life for the one I love. And we see this love illustrated in a very sort of small level, at parenthood level. Parents. If I ask a father or a mother, why are you working so hard? What are you trying to do? I want, I'm running, I'm doing this, I'm working 24, 7 non-stop because I want to provide a good future for my children. I want them to be healthy, I want them to be prosperous, successful. I am devoting my time and sacrificing that time which is life for my children for their well-being. Why are you doing this? Is this weakness? No, this is the heart of strength and power. When you give your life for the one you

love. The problem with the church, the moment the leader is seen not Christ, there is no power in that leader, there is no power in that church. The current of the world will wash it away. And this is what we're seeing. You know, when when pandemic hit, I always say this. I always say this. I'm not judging if anything I'm judging myself. I'm not judging God is the judge. But it hurts me so deeply and so profoundly.

The Lord Jesus has been crying out from Calvary on the cross for over 1600 years for the church to be united in him, for the church to be united in him. You see all these different factions, Catholics, Orthodoxy, or Eastern and Oriental. You see a Protestant branch, thousands of branches in there. The Lord is saying, unite, unite, unite. To this very moment, we haven't put a smile on the Lord's face by uniting in His name, but when the vaccine came, when the pandemic came, all church leaders

spoke the same language. Amazing. We did not unite for Christ, but we united for Satan. Now, to me, Christ is missing. Christ is missing. You know, certain people came out and spoke about what was happening in the world. I know their backgrounds. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who these people are and where their backgrounds are. How come like someone in this influential position who is well educated and well in form and embedded in scriptures and other fields, you do not

know where this is coming from, you do not know. But for you to be silent and not only silent, I wish they were silent, but they were supportive and encouraging and standing on that pulpit and encouraging the flock to follow suit. For me, this is total denial of Jesus Christ and the making and that's why Satan has engulfed the churches and took it away to hell. I love when you speak, man. It just doesn't allow you to know. And also you're planned to,

it's like you have this sauce with you, you're like humble or meek, but then also you got that righteous sword. We have to be, yeah. I love it. I love it. I was reading a mark yesterday, I brought this up twice because I was studying because I felt like for some reason something

and Mark was gonna be popping up and it did. Jesus takes a few disciples up to the top to meet Moses and Elijah and they're freaking out, man. They're messing up in the presence of God and the prophets. They're messing up to, like, we'll stay here, we'll build this, we'll do this, they miss the mark. And then the other disciples that are not even involved in this are down there.

And then when Jesus comes back down, he goes, hey, what's up with this? I'm paraphrasing to have fun. What's up with this nonsense? What do we got saying down here? And they're like, well, we're saying that disciple can't cast out demons. And I'm a little bit better than this disciple.

And this disciple and he goes, hey, hey, whoever wants to be first will be last. And whoever is last will be first. And then right after Jesus gets crucified, and actually during it, Peter, the disciple, the one that everybody believes was built on, first thing he goes, I'm gonna give you the keys of heaven and then he goes, Satan get behind me.

Immediately, God complements him and then he falls short because he's like, God, you don't need to get crucified. And then after the crucifixion, the disciples won. They got scared, they ran away. Doubting Tom didn't get his name until he made him put his finger through his hand. These are the disciples that are consistently missing the mark. And what I'm just trying to prove is that known is perfect besides Christ. But there's very, very broken people that are doing the wrong things,

but they're still doing the will of God. Because God doesn't use perfect people for his will. He used broken people for his will. I mean, even King David was a shepherd's boy. I've heard all of these stories, guys. I mean, you're talking to a guy that's been, you know, I'm not, you know, what I'm asking is a different kind of a question.

I'm asking, what is so much more attractive to the youth of the, you know, Muslim religion that's being attractive to them that is getting their attention than Christianity. What is it from the way it's being presented that that is fallen more on them to say, these guys seem to be more serious about it than those guys. Those guys seem to be winging it. Christians, they'll all say the right things, and I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about majority, but those guys seem like they're true believers, they're 100% in it. Why is that more attractive and why is it grown the way that it is? They were far behind. It's fourth quarter. We have a three four touchdown lead and then boom.

Tie game. I got an idea. Yeah. When I talk to you, you're very number oriented, right? You're like, you want the army. I feel like you're you're everything, everything about my life. So listen, I was in LA this last week. I did four podcasts, five podcasts.

I don't know how many I did. I did a few of them. So I was with Bradley Martin on Thursday. Phenomenal conversation. Very different. He's great. five podcasts. I don't know how many I did. I did a few of them. So I was with Bradley Martin on Thursday phenomenal conversation. Very different. He's great. I was dropped. Then I was with DJ Vlad, who interviews hip-hop guys, you know, and we had a great time. Okay. Six million subs. Great conversation. Then I was with Lewis House and Lewis House. This is the first time anyone's ever interviewed me where I break down crying. And the question is like, what question would make you cry?

The only thing that made me cry is the conversation about God. My entire life is about how much grace he's at and how much has changed my life. My confidence and whatever swagger that people think I have, it's only coming from one place. Amen. Period.

There is no other place that's coming from. Having said that, he's wired me in a different way than maybe he's wired you or anybody else. I look at the world in a different sense. I think generals typically think strategy and they think about how to win war. And I think there's a, if there, if you subscribe to the thought that there's a spiritual warfare going on, and you're just gonna go there and be whimsical about it, you're gonna lose, and you're gonna get destroyed. You're gonna have to be, I don't think Jesus said,

hey, you know, just have faith, and I'm gonna pay your bills, just have faith, and you guys gonna know, I think he's gonna say, hey, I've subscribed a big part of my life was pray as if it's up to God, but work like it's up to you. And I want to know what I can do about it. I'm already part of the fate side. I'm there.

I want to know what I can do to spread the message. And as well as on top of that, to see why other messages are being received stronger in a way that's getting people to say, you know what, I'm kind of connecting with you. Kind of connecting with us I give you an idea like Bill Mar right now comes out in TMZ story Bill Mar says be aware of Christian nationalism Okay, there's a lot of interesting Bill Mar says and sometimes he just comes out But if there's one thing about Bill Mar he's gonna tell you what he's thinking about okay

So Bill Mar loves the Christmas season X-mas nowiss, not Christmas, ex-miss season, because it's fun, you know. But he's alarmed at all these people who embraced a religious element to point, they want to shove it down everyone else's throat. The real time host launched on the growing number of Republicans now led by freshly minted speaker at the house, Mike Johnson, who want to turn American to Christian state. Although Johnson and many other Republicans are promoting official religion to the US bill notes

that they've forgotten about the whole separation of church and state, you know, and then he goes into saying all these other things, you know, Bolberts says, I'm tired of this separation of church and state junk. Seems pretty basic. The country was founded on the freedom of religion. It's ingrained in our constitution,

first up on the amendment roster Yet an alarming number of Republicans are hell bent on breaking that wall separation of church and state You know so in in America like wow, you know what he guys talking about man This Christmas. I just want to have fun. Don't put this pressure on me and doing all this other stuff It's like but imagine you did that with a different religion imagine you took their holidays You're like yeah, we don't want to do that with your God, but we're gonna make it X. Like imagine putting X over anything Muhammad did. They would outrage, they would burn down what you did. It's disrespectful, no one should ever do that.

Kamu. Because it's written, it's already written. 2000 years ago, God said this is what's gonna happen. And I think what you're having a hard time doing is swallowing the fact that God said, this is how it's gonna happen, there's gonna be less of us. And during the end time there's going to be a lot more selfish people doing selfies doing things that they want to do a lot more People have a lot more access a lot more power. It is written this way Regardless if we all stood up I gave up all your money gave up all your power gave up all your throne

It is written. It's done. There's nothing we could do about it But what could do is give people the good news. And if there's a building on fire, instead of you being like, there's 5,000 people in there, they're dying. There's only 4,000 people. Oh no, no, no, your eyes should be locked in on saving as many people as your hands can.

And your hands have the ability to reach millions. So we shouldn't really be sitting here stressed about who's walking away from us, but we should be catering to the people that are here with us. I don't do a lot of stress in my life. I have a very peaceful life. You seem stressed. But I will say as a person that is always thinking about a, from the standpoint of a leadership's lens, you know, I want to know why a message is not resonating with an audience that it

is. Could it be the fact that there is not somebody that's, you know, the youth is not attracted to it, why not? It's not like others are. Because again, to me, Mormons are growing exponentially. They have a lot of pride in what they stand for. They're very loud about it. They're very united about it. They're very, you know, collective about it and they protect each other. If somebody's doing something, I got your back. What business are you, I got your back. What are you doing with this?

We got you. What are you got going on? We got you, right? Muslims are the same way. And to me, on the Christian side, it's kind of like a little bit of the Assyrian side. It's kind of like, hey, you know, do your thing and all this other stuff.

And there's a bit of, in my opinion, the standards being dropped and compromising too much. And when you're talking about, if you put X with Muslim and all this stuff, you can do that, right? So that's the part where I see a liturgy of the standards of not being proud and being a liturgy of apologetic to kind of bring it up and God forbid if somebody sees me, I may be judged and all this stuff.

But who's the first that are crucified? You got to remember this, right? So you're saying that like people are only giving half the news, but let me give you an example. If you had children and your son's like, this is the news and some dude just ran up and just punch them, broke his face, kicked his ribs in. The next guy's going to be like, okay, well, this is some of the news, you know, because they don't want to get crucified.

I think everybody else who has their opinion on what their God is or what their situation is or who they identify as or what they believe it's supported. But as soon as you bring up Jesus Christ, you get nailed, man. You get crucified. So it's very, it's very stressful for somebody to be like, hey, by the way, this is all the good stuff. And then when it comes down to the part where you know this is the last guy

who brought this up, got beat up, it's terrifying. You're shaking because some people don't want to get killed or murdered. Because remember, Jesus said, and this is a really crucial thing, especially nowadays, we're dealing with this. Just because you didn't murder a man with his cold blood didn't mean, and it's not the same

when you murder his character. And people are murdering people's characters minute by minute, second by second. Unpack that. So let me get an example. You did so much good for your community. But then I'm an Assyrian man. I go into my community and look, yeah, Patrick,

all he does is talk about himself, blah, blah, blah. It's that he doesn't even care about the Assyrian people. He does this. Now, as an autoder, they look at me, they go, well, you know, George works with them and he's with them. So he knows, and then they run to the other people. Now, all these other people, like you wouldn't believe

what George said, he said, did it at that end. He was with a man with a cloth. So you're murdering their campers. I fully agree with that being one of them. I fully agree that's one of them, character assassination, fully. You were gonna say something. Christianity is not gonna resonate in the 21st century

with a lot of people of the 21st century for one reason. But that's one side of the story. If I have the time, I wanna share the other side. One is, there are three kind of cultures, if we speak about cultures, no more, no less. There is the anonymous culture, there is the hedronomous culture, and there is the autonomous culture. These are all Greek names. Theos means God, no more slo.

So theos, God's law culture, and there is the hedros, another law culture, and there is the autonomous,, another law culture, and there is the autonomous self-law culture. If we were to ask this question to the human race of the 21st century, which out of these three cultures is the 21st century, definitely would be the third one autonomous culture. It is a self-driven culture. It's all about me, me, me, me, me. And the Lord Jesus comes, says, it's all about Christ, not you. You need to deny yourself in order for Christ to live in you because this is the concept of love. The problem and with all of them respect,

in Islam, the concept of love in Christianity has got nothing to do with the concept of love in Islam, totally different. What are you talking about? Now, because Islam and other are called religions. Now, when you invoke the name religion, automatically you are invoking a sort of rules, guidelines, laws and regulations.

You go to Islam, you go to Buddhism, Hinduism, and all of them, they will tell you, if you wish to end up in a nice place, you need to do this and this and this and this. It's all about you. You need to do it. When you come to Christianity, John 15.5, the Lord Jesus says it and plays the foundation so, so, you know, clearly. And He says, without me, you cannot do anything. So now, when you come and you need, you have to do this, you have to do this and this and this to get somewhere. In Christianity, it's not a religion in the sense of a religion because

it's a belief in a person. Why? Because when you speak about love, love cannot be found in law, it can only be found in a person with another person in a relationship. I cannot love law because love says, if you break the law, the law will break you. But when I came to the Lord Jesus, he said, accept me in your life and let me do all the good things which God wants you to do, let me do them through you and with you. So now when people come and ask me like Christians,

especially youth, I say to them, you don't have to go to church. Who told you you have to go to church? Who told you you have to pray? Who told you you have to read the Holy Bible? Who told you you have to fast? They can shock, they go back and change color. Oh, that's coming from a bishop. Really? They feel good at the beginning because it's a relief. Oh, I don't have to thank God I'm gonna go and tell my mom and dad get off my case Don't ever force me to go to church and don't tell me you have to go to church the bishop the good-looking bishop said So now

But then I say to them I'll ask you this and be honest, do you love the Lord Jesus? If you're going to say yes, then if you love him, you have to go to church. If you love him, you have to read the Holy Bible. If you love him, you have to pray. You have to fast. If you love him. So with an autonomous, with a self-driven culture, autonomous culture, it is very difficult to give up on me

in order to live for Christ. That's one side. On the other side, again, we come back to the church of the 21st century. It is Leodiccia, the final stage of the church, the Lord prophesied over 2,000 years ago, and said, at the end, my church would have gone against me, it's a rebellious church. And why it's a rebellious church? Because again, today it's a self-driven culture, even in the church, even in the leadership

of the church, everybody is seeking their own throne, their own glory, and their own power. When I want to be sent to a church, please send me where there is a big congregation. I don't want to go to a little village with only a couple of families there. I won't be seen, but I want to be in a church where there is hundreds and millions of people that come to that church. I, with this, I feel unpowerful. I am in charge. But that's is not Christianity, that is not Christ himself. But let me say this, the apathric. The Christ I came to know through his grace. I'll die for him

any second. I do not give one penny with all 11 respect, no matter what happens, because the Christ that came and revealed himself to this piece of Rick is the only one. He is my King, my Lord, my God, my Savior, my Redeemer, forever. And I will stand and speak the truth. Let the whole world hate me. I do not care. With love and humility, I say this, I don't care. You know why? Because I didn't come for people to love me. I came for Christ to be pleased with me and says,

this is my Son in whom I am well pleased, come and inherit the kingdom of your father, which was prepared for you before the creation of the world. Now, the issue is, when I come to Christ and by His grace, I give my life to Him when He engulfs, when he takes over, when he rules and reigns over my life, I fear nothing, you know why? Because the moment I don't have anything worldly, materialistically, I don't fear to lose anything. When I have nothing, I have fear of nothing. Because when I have Christ, I have everything. But the issue with Christ, it is not materialistic, it's spiritual. It is love. Now love is the supreme ethic. I ask an atheist, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Hindu, any human being.

Do you want to be loved? Everybody will say yes. You know, even when you look at the serial killers, even when you look at the big drug addicts and drug dealers, if you trace their life all the way back to childhood, I can show you a huge percentage they were lacking love at their childhood. That's why they ended up who they ended up. It is the love that forms and shapes and molds a human being. It is that love that never fails. It is that love that forms and shapes and molds a human being. It is that love that never fails.

It is that love that never dies. Christ is calling us to love Him. He is not calling us to follow a set of rules, God-loss and regulations. And let me say this to all the religions of the world. You're talking about, you must fast, and you must do this, and you must you do your penancements, and whatever you have to do.

Let me say this, to enter in the presence of God, who can do what God wants? Who can fulfill the fullness of the law of God? We are nowhere near that perfection to do and abide by what God does. He showed that in the Old Testament, the Israelite nations. They failed him from the Word go till the very end. But he is then ever failing God, his mercy that carries us, all of us as humans, regardless whether we are Christians or not. So when those religions out there with all 11 respect, they talk about laws, I'll ask them, are you

fulfilling that law? Of course not. You're falling very short of that law. So don't tell me you have to do this where you are failing as a leader. Your prophet failed those laws. Your own prophet failed them. Who? Muhammad. And all the other leaders. Such a reporter move. And the very reason why Muhammad failed because he's dead. Their book says that. But their book also says about Mimasai even though the Isa and the

Quran is not the Christ of the Holy Bible, totally separate people. We cannot claim something that is not truthful. I know truth hurts. I'm not offending people. I'm speaking the truth. And if it offends you, I'm really sorry, not. I'm not sorry for that. But let me tell you one thing. Your book says that Isa, son of Mary, went up to heaven alive and he will come back to judge the dead and the living. If I ask a Muslim, who judges? They will say God, well you're telling me this prophet will judge. So which is which? As the prophet taken the role of God, has God gone on vacation and he's come and take his position? No,

but Aisa is the living Messiah, even their book says, I speak Arabic, I read Arabic, I am fluent in Arabic. When they say, Amma'isab numaryam fahuwa kalimatullahi wa ruhan minhu But Isa son of Mary, Jesus son of Mary, is the word of God and the spirit of God. Now let me ask you my dear Muslim. If you're claiming Isaa as a prophet, then how come all the other prophets which you believe in? You believe in Moses, you believe in I's,

you believe in all the prophets of the Old Testament? How come none of the Old Testament prophets were referred to as the Word of God? Except Asa, why? How come all the prophets and every single human being on the face of this planet was born of an earthly father and an earthly mother, yet Jesus' son of Mary was born in a virginal birth, through a virginal birth, he has an earthly mother

but has no earthly father for his father who art in heaven. Why this raises question marks? How come this man is different? His birth is different, his life is different, even his end is different. He went up alive and he will come back to judge because he is different. That's the whole story. He is different, my dear friend. You need to come and seek the true God with an open mind, open heart. Don't be fanatic about your faith. And I say this even to the Christians, the moment we become fanatics about our Christian faith, we've lost Christ. We've lost the true reflection of Christ.

And you may say, well, I'm a bishop. I'm different maybe to some Christians that live in this blessed country of America, who are from a Protestant branch. I come dressed up like an injured turtle. I say myself, I call myself a walking tent, but how come, how come a Protestant, how come other Christians, how come a Muslim, how come a Buddhist, how come an atheist is listening to this good-looking bishop? Why? Because the day you and I, the earth, Patrick and all of us, the day we give our life to Christ, surrender to him and say, Lord, it is no longer I, but you. I know I'm weak. I'll fall short. I'll drift away. But please, Lord, even when I miss out, even when I walk away from you, I'm asking you now before it happens. When it happens, Lord, remember this moment

when I called and I cried out to you, Lord, have mercy on me, either sinner, son of David, have mercy on me. When I pray, when I beg him, when I cry out to him, even if I fall short, he never fails because he is the living God who was revealed in the flesh. He is the logos, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

He is the way the truth and the life, and there's no one else. When Jesus Christ engulfs you and you surrender to Him and He takes over, you have no fear because Jesus fears no one. If they say Jesus was weak, excuse me, who said to Herod, go and tell that folks? Who stood in front of authorities and called them the sons of the snake? Who said to Herod, go and tell that fox? Who stood in front of authorities and called them the sons of the snake?

Who said that? It was Jesus of Nazareth. Is that weakness? No, that is mightiness and power in its core. Why he was so powerful and blunt because his father was him. He gave his life. I'm talking about Jesus, the man because the Son of God is God, but the Son of man, the perfect Lamb of God, the perfect man. This man was fearless. Why? Because when this man gave his entire life to God, you fear nothing, you fear no one, because when God is with you, who can be against you? Let me, I'll finish off with this. Jesus Christ, I not only believe in Him, dear Patrick, I know Him.

Look, I'm a sinner. I'm the weakest ever. Believe you me. I'm talking with my head placed under the sandals of the Lord if He allows me, because the sandals are more pure than me. But I say this with absolute humility. The Lord Jesus revealed himself to this piece of Rick. I don't speak about Jesus just because I believe.

I'm a Christian or I dress up in this cloth or I have read the Bible which I have. No, I believe in the Lord and I know the Lord. He is six foot one. Long face, tan skin, greenish eyes, browny, crispy hair split in the middle all the way to the shoulders with a very short bead. And after 2023, he is, he is still 33 years of age and kicking baby. He is the king of kings and the Lord of lords. Yesterday he is, today he is and forevermore he is,

he is the never-changing God who was revealed in the flesh over 2,000 years ago. And let me say this to the whole world. Yes, he came over 2,000 years through a virginal birth from our holy mother Mary. And he was crucified, not he was sent up to heaven, no he was crucified, he died in the flesh on the cross and he was buried but rose from the dead on the third day, ascended to heaven and he's been sitting there at the right hand of the father over two thousand years ago and he will come back again to judge the dead and the living because he's not just a prophet for he is God revealed in the flesh. This is the Jesus I talk about, That's why I fear no one. I fear nothing. I'm not here for people to love me. I'm here for Jesus to be

pleased with this vessel that he uses for his glory and his glory only. He has showed me heaven and hell and let me say this with love and humility. When you go to heaven, I can assure you, I can show you, not because I'm a Christian, not because I'm a bishop, not because I believe in Jesus Christ, but I can show you. And heaven, you, Muhammad will not greet you, Buddha will not greet you, Krishna will not greet you, because they will not, it will be only one who is the way the truth and the life. It will be Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who died for you and me. I'm inviting you to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior because there is no other way. If we don't have him, we are doomed forever for in him eternal life lies.

When you go to heaven and you meet Jesus face to face, Patrick, you come back to earth, who cares about a president, about Anthony Fauci, Klaus Schwab, George Soros, and the likes, who cares? With all of your respect, because when I meet Jesus, I see everyone a piece of dust. What can a man do to me? Oh, they can kill me?

Welcome, Death. I thank the Lord for death because the death became that vehicle that took me to my sweetheart, Jesus Christ. And then I can say, I can see Him face to face, no more through Amirah, no more through Amaze, no more through Adream, but I'm seeing Him really face to face. Thank you, thank you, thank you Lord for allowing me to be killed for your sake. So if they want to kill me, I'm here. This face, once you see it, you can never miss it, my dear.

So I fear nothing for Jesus Christ is the only God, not because I'm a Christian. Forget about Christianity. Focus on Christ. Just like Mahatma Gandhi, when the British ruled and enslaved the Indians, he looked at the crucified, the picture of the crucified Jesus. He said, you know what, take away the Christians, but give me the Christ, because Christ wouldn't have done what these Christians would have done. Today Christianity and Christians are not reflecting that true Christ, but the moment any Christian

reflects the true Christ, you draw the whole world to you. Why don't we look at that? As I mentioned, all glory to the Lord. How come this odd-looking person in America, with this outfit? How come people are listening to him? Because when you let Christ speak, the Holy Spirit can penetrate any heart and any mind and any soul, no one can stop God, or it is the supreme authority. You know, I would say, I think the only, that was powerful. When you say Fauci and Klaus Schwab, they would probably want to know if everybody in heaven is vaccinated.

That's what they would want. That's their number one. It's very important. It's very, very important. They are vaccinated by the blood of the Lamb of God. This is the end of the day. He has bars on you guys, bro. Yeah, he does.

Yeah, I could have really... I don't even know if everyone's vaccinated to make sure they're safe. It would be very important for everyone to be wearing masks in heaven. No. They will not shut this mouth with a mask. Let me tell you, my dear friend, the only one who can shut this mouth is Jesus Christ who gave this mouth. The only one who gave me this tongue is the one who's going to take it away, no one else. So until the day Jesus calls it the day for this piece of wreck, you are nothing.

I am nothing. All of us are nothing. Jesus, I'm inviting you, Clashwap, to come back to the Lord, because let me tell you one thing, all of us we will die one day. No matter what you do, how rich you are and you may conquer the world. Where is Augustus Caesar? Where are the Pharaohs? Where are the Assyrian kings? Where are the Macedonian Empire? Where is the Roman Empire? Where is the Persian and the Medites Empire? Where are they? Gone with the wind. Never seen. But where is Christ? Sitting at the right hand of the Father and still conquering and still ruling and there are millions of people coming to Christ as we speak. Now this to me is power. This is what happens when you bring four different Assyrians from different backgrounds, from

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You guys are giving them how's that going? No, they have to buy it at Barnes and Noble and I'll meet them there. But they can order right now Amazon all over the place. That's only for the people that are on Florida. But tomorrow the book comes out. This is coming out tomorrow. Yes. I'm proud of you. I appreciate you, man. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not reading anything. I'm going to listen to you when I drive. But not at night because you got that soothing like I'm going to crash. But Pat, I'm proud you got

bless you. This is all. This is all. By the way, this is so cool, man, for us to do this. I appreciate everybody coming out. You had the longest drive. It was By the way, this is so cool, man, for us to do this. I appreciate everybody coming out. You had the longest drive. It was, you know, you were three exits away. Some of us were half an exit away. Some of us live here. But whether you're a Syrian or not, our audience is not an Syrian audience.

So 99% of people that were listening today, matter of fact, run a poll Rob. Can you run a poll? Are you a Syrian? It's just simple. Yes, no. Okay. That's the question. What's the Syrian? It's just simple. Yes, no. What's a Syrian? That's the question.

What's the Syrian? Yeah, go watch that again. I'll bet you 0.004. I think we have to wait just 30 seconds because I just want to know. Very curious. I actually want to know what percentage. How much is Syrian dad for like touching the one?

They're like, how do I? What would you get? If you got the guess, the show. I'm just saying the same thing. They're like, how the way? What would you get? If you got the guess, the show, have you got the guess? I think it's 98 to two. It's probably 99 to one. What do you think? It's gonna be.

Oh, like, that are listening right now. Now 99 are gonna be non-listerians. I'm gonna say that there's five, five percent of you. Rob, did you run the poll? I'll say five percent, George. What can I see it, Rob? Do I go? I think a lot of the series that are watching

are probably watching it. Like, their kids put it up on a TV No way 19 way so that we're growing No way like that That's bad That's Like All of the was one podcast one

One podcast one to shove one Georgian Pat Wow 80 20 is serious. Wow, that's pretty impressive. I'm impressed. All right. OK, well fair enough. This is good. We're making progress for. I understand. Vishimari, thank you so much for coming out. Janko, thank you for coming out.

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