PBD Podcast - Brazil: Corrupt Alexandre de Moraes EXPOSED | Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira | PBD Podcast #409

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

Patrick Bet-David sits down with the new leaders of the Brazilian conservative movement Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira, Gustavo Gayer, and Paulo Figueiredo Filho to discuss censorship, corruption, and lawfare. In this exclusive conversation with Jair Bolsonaro's son, Eduardo, you will get a better grasp of what's going on in Brazil and why Elon Musk is worried about it. ---- Eduardo Bolsonaro https://www.instagram.com/bolsonarosp/ https://x.com/bolsonarosp/ https://eventoconservador.com.br/ https://acaoconservadora.com.br/ Our Guests: Nikolas Ferreira https://linktr.ee/nikolasferreira Gustavo Gayer https://linktr.ee/gusgayer Paulo Figueiredo Filho https://x.com/realpfigueiredo https://paulofigueiredoshow.com/ --- Join "The Minnect League Championship" to win a night of dinner & cigars with Patrick Bet-David: https://bit.ly/4aMAar8 Connect one-on-one with the right expert for you on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Connect with Patrick Bet-David on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3OoiGIC Connect with Vincent Oshana on Minnect: https://bit.ly/47TFCXq Connect with Rob Garguilo on Minnect: https://bit.ly/426IG0R Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Register to win a Valuetainment Boss Set (valued at over $350): https://bit.ly/41PrSLW Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! Get PBD's Intro Song "Sweet Victory" by R-Mean: https://bit.ly/3T6HPdY SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Don't ask me how we were able to pull this off, but we got four of the most influential, powerful voices in the Brazilian communities. Paulo Figueiredo. Okay, yes or no, please. This has nothing to do with what we're discussing. This is yes or no. Reclaim, I can ask. This is my hearing.

The third son of Jair Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro. It seems that your father and President Trump have a natural affinity. Yes, my father, as Trump, he doesn't follow the political correctness. So what he thinks, he tells people. If you are going to like it or not, it's up to you. Nicolas Pereira. Gustavo Gaiere. What's happening in the world today, that's not just in Brazil. That totalitarianism is a virus. All right, so don't ask me how we were able to pull this off, but we got four of the most

influential, powerful voices in the Brazilian community, specifically on the conservative side, especially at a time like this with all the stuff that's going on in Brazil. Whether you were watching what happened with the elections or the January 8 event in 2023, on my right, he's been on before. Paulo Figueiredo, I think I said it right. I got it somewhere close to it. He's been on before. Probably one of the loudest figures, you know, podcasting YouTube. I think I said it right. I got it somewhere close to it. He's been on before, probably

one of the loudest figures, you know, podcasting, YouTube, you know, your father, I think, was the former, grandfather was a former president of Brazil. And we had this conversation last time you were here, I think it was Rodrigo Constantin, if I'm not mistaken, right? To my left, we have the third son of Jair Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro, who became a congressman, maybe the most popular congressman in 2018, if I'm not mistaken, where you have a massive following, loyalty, people are curious enough what you do, but you're also involved in politics yourself as well with your father, which is very interesting to see that and great to have you on. Thank you. Then we have Nicholas Ferreira, which by the way,

I'm trying to see if I can give a good example where in America to make sense to you. So 2022, he wins, getting the most votes. You guys call it MP, we call it congressman. I think it's like relatively close to it. Yeah, it is. Yeah, and this guy's got 18, 19 million followers. I think you've got 11 million on Insta,

if I'm not mistaken. You got like 5 million on TikTok. You got millions of people following you. You're loud, you're confident, you're assertive, and you're hated by a lot of people on the other side in Brazil, I think it's fair to say. And then Gustavo, who we have here, Gaiar, is probably the guy that speaks the best English here. Just so you know, he runs a school in Brazil. I think he started in 2013, 2014. Exactly.

And you're also very good at getting under people's skin. So it's great to have you on as well. It's a very interesting crowd we got here. So let me get right into it. My interest. This video podcast is gonna be translated in the language as well, so everybody can watch this. It'll be all over the place, English,

as well as the native language that they speak in Brazil. I want to start off with this. Last time we were together, I am not heavily involved in the Brazilian politics, but I want to know why and what happened to this guy. If you can pull him up, Alexandre, you guys call him Demoraes, I think, right? Alexandre de Moraes. Pull up his picture. So according to some of the due diligence that we're doing on our end, this guy was a lawyer. He went to a law school. I think later on he wrote a book on law for lawyers that most law schools in Brazil actually use.

I think it may even be the most popular book written on laws there, and he did a lot of good work economically, if I'm not mistaken, he's a conservative. And he claims back in the days, economically he was conservative, he was about backing up the cops to make sure the streets were clean and all the stuff that was going on were some issues that was happening with him. And then all of a sudden, something happens, okay, where you go through a certain phase with him, where he flips from being who he was,

Operation Car Wash happens, millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars are stolen, Lula gets the house, the waterfront property, claims never got it, another guy gave $2.1 billion, and bribes, I think, is one of the richest people in Brazil. You guys know the name on who he is, he did, but I want to know about him How did he go from being a lawyer? to getting into different political groups to all of a sudden becoming the most feared and

Possibly some people even call him a dictator in Brazil. What happened with him? I think Paulo Figueres who lives the US, can answer better this question. I'm telling that because the other way we three here, we have to go back home. And I'm very serious about that. Depending what we are going to talk here, we can have huge problems over there. I'm going to remember when we were together in Brussels in the European Parliament talking about the censorship in Brazil and all of that When it came back the federal police report, it was my name there

I don't know if yours your names, but everybody here is under investigation Just like Elon Musk when when Alexander is more eyes when he doesn't like someone He opened investigation against this this person. So I think if a poll yeah for example, Patrick, one day after we spoke to Elon Musk on X, the day after... This is the Mario Nafal Twitter space. Yes, exactly. That's phenomenal. Thank you, Mario. By the way, he's doing a lot for Brazil, giving us voice. One day after, they opened an investigation against me because I called Lula a thief

they So that's what they do anything that you say that maybe is danger for them They like open an investigation and they try to pressure you, you know Has Brazil always been that way? No. Okay. So when did it flip? That's my interest. What's what Paul is gonna? Okay, when did it flip? Well So he interest. That's what Paul is gonna answer. When did it flip? Well, So he has a very interesting background. He was never a conservative, but he Brazil had Brazil didn't have conservatives for a long time. We had a left and center left So we had workers party which was socialist very old-school socialist and we had a center left it's more like European social democracy.

And Brazil has been alternating between these two parties from, you can say, since my grandfather until his father. Okay? And then his father changed everything. So his background was that he was secretary of security, right? Yeah, safety, public safety in the state of São Paulo. And then he was, when Duma Rousseff was impeached, he was called to be the minister of justice of Duma Rousseff, vice president, and then became president, a gentleman called Michel

Temer. So that's, he became, he was appointed by Michel Tamer, which was a guy more from the center to be the justice of a Supreme court. Right. Can you pull up Michel Tamer, please keep going back then? Yep. What's very interesting is that back then the workers party asked for him to be impeached. They tried any way they could to avoid him becoming a Supreme Court justice. They really were really heavy against him. But things start changing in 2019. So in 2019, Jair Bolsonaro got elected in 2018, he took office in 2019, and at the same time,

Operation Cowash was starting to investigate corruption from the Supreme Court, involving some figures from the Supreme Court involving some figures from the Supreme Court that include another justice called Gilmar Mendez and... No, no, it's M-I-C-H-E-L. Michel Temer. Like Michael. Michael Temer. M-I-C-H-E-L-E-M-E-R. Yeah, that's him. Yeah, that's him. Yeah, so he's... this guy is the vice president of Duma. But he's center. He's in the center He's sent so let's stay real quick there. So in 2019 Does anybody in Brazil wake up worrying about a la chandra de morais in 2019?

I would say most of us we didn't know who was mean no No But we I mean we mostly supported him as a Supreme Court justice because we didn't think of him as being a tyrant We didn't know he was a psychopath. We didn't know about that That's the thing about a lot of videos Him saying that pete made corruption That the left made corruption in our country. So there's old videos from him That's what i'm saying. He used to be a conservative at least he no

He seemed like a conservative but an opposition against the party. There's something in Brazil, we like to say, the theater of Caesars. For decades we believed there was a right and a left, but the truth is, like Paulo said, they were both on the left, one more left than the other, with two parties, PT, Workers' Party, and PSTB, which is a Socialist Democratic Party. And what they wanted to do is alternate between them for as long as forever. And this guy, Alexandre de Moraes, was part of one of the not-so-left party.

He was a Frenchman, a frontman for this. But then what happened was that a fluke happened. And because of internet, because people started saying in their mind and debating on the internet, we were able to elect Bolsonaro. Bolsonaro in the House of Congress, he was what we call the Baixuclero, the lower rank congressman. The isolated guy. the internet propagated his words and he spoke exactly what was in our minds, what was stuffed in our minds. And then people started following him and everywhere he went, we went to an airport and then thousands of people showed up just to carry him on our shoulders.

And the system started getting worried about that. Well, wait a second. Who is this guy? Who is this outsider that wants to come in? We already have the next president. And Alexandre Morais was part of the next president's group. But then the fluke happened. We elected Bolsonaro.

Very similar to Donald Trump here. But less money. But Bolsonaro has absolutely zero money, actually. It was just... Usually I say in very conservative accounts that my father did not spend even one million dollars during his campaign in 2018. And I'm very conservative. I could say, I would work. I would work. I would work. I would work. I would work. I would work.

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They made jokes about it. Oh my God, Bolsonaro, like Bolsonaro is going to be the president. You heard this before. It was a joke. Exactly like Trump. The difference is that when a lot of people say like Trump, the difference is Trump's been famous for Long Camp for Money TV. Was your father famous in Brazil?

No. No. He was famous for being time money TV. Yeah, was your father famous in Brazil? No, no He was famous for being on on TV shows Yes, because my the reason of my father it was an exact moment that the strategy of the left wings was doing a encourage the politically correct policies, so My father was accused of being racist So my father was accused of being racist, nazist, fascist, homophobic, and all of that. Pre-run?

Pre-running, pre-running. And then my father, he wasn't given that amount of attention for that, and started to keep talking, his thought, his thinking, what he was thinking. And he started to go all around the country because he said, if Dilma Rousseff, who is not smart and I'll

be very polite here if he got re-elected if she did get re-elected as president of Brazil why not me so he starts to go all around the country doing some radio shows and TV shows when is this 18 or 17 this was 16 17 so he started talking about his policies that he thinks there's a problem in Brazil in 2016. Yes. In TV popular shows, including like shows that were not about politics. One thing is important, a lot of these shows invited him to mock him. To mock him.

Yes. To mock him, to make fun of him. But the view, but that's the disconnection there is between the legacy media and the people, the population, because when we watched him and we saw his words, that's exactly what we think. Beautiful people was making fun. And then he was talking with the mass of the people. And there's a nice point on it because the internet made his voice heard, you know? So 2016, people started to go on Facebook on Instagram and then people Could hear him because all we had were the traditional medias in Brazil that never put him as a good person

Okay, so at that time he's going he's behind the scenes. No one is even looking right? He's he's nothing at the same 16 17 18 you know him you're saying you know him, but he's not front-facing He's behind's nothing at the same 16 17 18 you know him you're saying you know him, but he's not front-facing He's behind closed doors. Okay, no threat no signs of that one time He stole this that one time he did this that there's nothing yet. No, correct Okay, so what happens 2020 with him now Bolsonaro is the president now. He's there he wins 2019 till 2022 What's happening to him now behind closed doors? So in 2019 when Bolsonaro got elected at the same time Car wash was starting to investigate Supreme Court. So in

Lula hasn't gone to jail yet or he did he wasn't he was 520 days in jail Yeah, he was supposed to do 10 years 12 years. Yeah, he did 520 Yes, but car wash started to investigate the judiciary at that time And then they the judiciary made something very interesting. Rob, pull up Operation Car Watch, keep going please. They made a very, very interesting thing. They decided, well, there's a provision in the Supreme Court bylaws, internal bylaws,

saying that if a crime occurs within the premises of the court, we can open an investigation ourselves. It's a court opening an investigation. So the US Supreme Court has the same structure. Yes, so they can open an investigation. That was thought to investigate like internal crime. Someone stole something in court. In the US, for example, they opened this to investigate

who leaked the Roe v. Wade overturn, okay? But in Brazil, they said, well, if people are saying stuff against us on the internet, well, the internet's kind of everywhere, so it's within the premises of the court. So we're going to open an investigation about people trying to slander the Supreme Court. And then they started censoring articles, including an article from a magazine that pointed out that one of the Supreme Court justice was involved in corruption with one big construction company in Brazil.

And they censored that. And that was the beginning of what they called the fake news probe. That's the same probe that was open in 2019. That's the birth of it. And it's still open now. That's the, we're all being investigated by it. For years. For years. For years.

Elon Musk is being investigated by this probe. Michael, he is. Michael Schellenberger is being investigated there. Everyone. So it's, and they issued measures against, they've sent people to prison, but it's only a probe. It's not a case yet. No one has been charged for five years.

But they have had their houses raided, passports confiscated. It's interesting to point out that on the same time, and that's interesting for US... This is what you're telling me, Elon Musk will be investigated over fake news and obstruction in Brazil after a Supreme Court order. What's the date on this, Rob? Oh, this is probably a month ago. Yeah, two weeks ago. Okay. So you're saying this, April... Okay, this is a weeks ago. Okay. So you're saying this April, okay, this is a month ago. Okay. While you're saying this, this Alexandre, he's still, is he the puppet master behind

closed doors or not yet? Well, he became the most powerful man in Brazil by far because this is, it's an interesting investigation. What's interesting for US viewers as well, is that at the same time, the United States, mostly the left and the deep state were discussing, well, how do we deal with the internet problem that Nicholas was talking about?

Well, Trump got elected through the internet, and Bolsonaro got elected through the internet, and then you had the Brexit. We also. Them, several congressmen, the Republican party changed dramatically because of the internet, you had the Brexit, them, several congressmen, the Republican party changed dramatically because of the internet, you had Brexit, and you had Hungary, and you have all the changes,

all these changes around the world. So it was like the establishment started to see what could they do to change it. So that's when you see right now, if you read the industrial, censorship industrial complex report from the House Judiciary Committee, you see that the Biden administration was discussing with the social media companies how to censor and moderate some type of opinions. Extremists.

And they sent, this is public records, it's not a conspiracy theories, I'm not one of these guys, but they send FBI officials and Department of Justice officials to have meetings in Brazil with the TSC, trying to explain to them how to, quote unquote, combat this information. That was kind of, that was the same- What was this?

2019, and this was public records. This is in 2019, pre 2019 pre Biden becoming president. Yes Yeah, it's establishment fighting the deep state the deep state They well, we all know how much Trump suffered From the FBI. He was president. So deep state. It's it's it's why they're there, right? It doesn't matter who wins They're there anyways Is he now the most powerful man in Brazil? Oh by far before? Feared because he can do

Whatever he wants and I'll ask you You're going to appeal for her There is no one higher than the Supreme Court if they decided something everybody's looking okay This is not in favor of the Constitution. He is like not caring everybody's looking, okay, this is not in favor of the Constitution. He is like not caring. It doesn't matter what the law is saying. He does whatever he wants. But okay, this is illegal.

What can you do? This is the problem. That's why we are here. I'm not happy here debating about internal issues of Brazil, but at least we are alerting our friends here in the US and preventing them to do not let this virus, this Brazilian virus come to here. But this is the hard question. How can we fight back against someone that is doing that in the Supreme Court? For example, in the election, in the presidential elections, he's there,

Bolsonaro, couldn't do lives on his own home government. Official residence. Yeah, official residence. That happened to Trump as well. Yeah, they did this to on his own home government government official residents yeah official residents that happened to trump as well yeah they did this to trump for example in the election uh i made a video saying that lula for example um he would uh legalize abortion he would legalize the drugs and i got a fine like about ten thousand dollars because i did that and now we have two women ministers Lula put in the charge and they support abortion the Supreme Court started to vote abortion and also drugs so I was right and I got fined for that so yeah who I'm gonna appeal for that so but okay so let's stay on a la

chandra de morais and I know you guys don't want to stay on it, because you're trying to go back to Brazil, and he's not trying to go back to Brazil. I wanted to! Yeah, he wants to. I think I understand what you're trying to get. How did Alexandre de Moraes get all this power? Who gave it? Who gave that power to him, right?

Right. So one is, who gave it to him? Two, what happened behind closed doors? Is there some, because sometimes we see somebody and then you're like, oh, that's the most powerful man in Brazil. And it's really these other two people nobody knows about and they're behind closed doors. Is he the puppet master or is there another puppet master behind Alexandre de Moraes? He is the goon chosen to be the front man to all the absurdities and the injustice that's

happening in Brazil. So by who? Well, let's get there. Paulo can talk about it, but he's backed by others. Including the Biden administration. So even there are international forces that are influencing what's happening in Brazil. Such as what countries? We have Soros.

Well, mainly the US. In the US. But international community, all the people that go to Davos and the World Economic Forum. So for example, the Supreme Court was president, our Supreme Court Justice, not Morais, but the president of the court, the chief justice, which, Barroso, he was in Davos this year. And look, it's definitely a global community of a global elite that supports him. But the most support comes from the United States. Let me give you a concrete example. Pull up a Financial Times article from 2023. It's called the discrete campaign, the US

discrete campaign to defend Brazilian elections, if I'm not mistaken. Democracy. Democracy or something like that. Okay. It's a Financial Times article. So not a conspiracy campaign, the US discreet campaign to defend Brazilian elections, if I'm not mistaken. Democracy. Democracy or something like that. Okay, it's a Financial Times article, so not a conspiracy theory. What they say in this article is that US top officials, US top officials, I'm talking about the CIA director, the secretary of defense, the chief commander of the Southern Command, the Chief General, was the lady, I believe, Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor, all of them went to Brazil to threaten

public officials, military leaders, and politicians to not challenge Morais because we were discussing election integrity back then. And every single one of them said, look, if you challenge Morais, who was the president of the Superior Electoral Court in Brazil, if you challenge him, you will face the mighty power of the United States foreign policy. Well the military will stop cooperation with the Brazilian military. You guys are going to suffer with embargoes and all sorts of sanctions. You will be left out of the international community, we'll do with you what we did to Russia. And that was one of the reasons why the institutions in Brazil didn't work.

Okay, so here's an article. Yeah, is it not? FBI Soros and Secret Police and Vast Censorship Conspiracy in Brazil. That was, that's by David Agape, a very good investigative journalist. He works with Michael Schellenberger, he's like censorship conspiracy in Brazil. That's by David Agape, a very good investigative journalist. He works with Michael Schellenberger. He's like his partner in Brazil. Can I read this? He was just put in an investigation.

He was? Let me read this. Go a little lower up so I can read it from right there. The first two paragraphs. The US government's Federal Bureau of Investigation, Soros and the Supreme Court of Brazil claim to be defenders of free speech and democracy. The mission of the FBI is to uphold the U.S. Constitution. Whose First Amendment prohibits government limits on freedom of speech?

Soros and his son Alex, who runs the Svalet-Trampic Foundation, claims to want open societies where people are free to express their views. And the Supreme Court of Brazil claims to uphold the Brazilian Constitution commitment to freedom of expression. But now a months-long investigation reveals that the FBI has helped Brazil censor its citizens. The Soros Open Society Foundation is spending heavily to promote censorship in Brazil, and Brazil has a secret judicial police force that exists specifically to spy upon and censor people deemed to be spreading false information.

Together, the FBI, Soros and the Supreme Court of Brazil are engaged in a direct result of free speech protection of both the Brazilian and U.S. Constitution. There's your answer. So they're getting a, but let me ask another question. You know sometimes when somebody flips and you look at this person like, this guy's reasonable, he's good, but you don't see him like a weird guy and also boom and you realize somebody had something on it behind closed doors the story about the fact that he was linked to the plane crash with the Supreme Court you know the old

justice theory and I'm thinking yeah I don't know if their story was there anything that happened that was it behind and maybe maybe not some people say 80% bogus there's no way there's credibility behind it and then you hear about the stories with him being linked to the, what do you call it, the Primero Comando de Capital Gang headquarters in Sao Paulo started falsely online when he was city secretary of public security. Was he linked to the gang? Was there people that he was supporting?

Was there some of that going on with Alexandro? If they say anything about it, they will immediately go to prison when they arrive in Brazil. I'll be muted here. I'll be bold enough to do it. I'm gonna be in silence. So he worked... So here's the piece... So there's some credibility here. Well I'll tell you exactly the facts. I'll just lay down the facts and you make your own conclusion. So the PCC is the largest drug cartel in Brazil. Well some can argue that it's one of the largest drug cartels in Brazil. Well, some can argue that it's one of the largest drug cartels in Brazil. No, it's the number one. Yes, definitely the number one.

The delivery system for all the drugs that are produced in Latin America goes through PCC. All the cocaine that comes to the United States goes through PCC. Yes, yes, absolutely. So if it's coming from Colombia, goes to PCC in Brazil first, then it comes up here. Yes, ships all over the world. They're the distributors, okay? So PCC was being investigated in Brazil and they found connections between them and the Workers' Party.

I'm not gonna get into that because that's not necessarily important for this discussion. But PCC was laundering money, possibly, but one way that they thought they were laundering money, possibly, but one way of that they thought they were laundering money was through a, like a union of public transportation, like drivers from vans. In Brazil it was very popular that people used to use vans for public transportation. Okay? And there was a union of these vans, van drivers. It was called Transcop. And he was the attorney, the defense attorney

for one of these unions. And that's the only connection that we actually have. So I don't, usually if you work for an institution that's related to the drug cartels That's not a good sign, but that's not definitive to say he's linked with was he a lawyer that maybe represented some former criminals before Cuz sometimes lawyers are like I know lawyers that yes, I've talked to represented Weinstein We had a lawyer the other day on on the podcast. It was did he's a lawyer before Rob who else's lawyer He was if you remember?

Diddy Harvey Weinstein's attorney as well at one point, several high profile clients in New York. Right, so he was a lawyer like that, and by the way, is there any connection with him and Marco Camacho, is there any relationship between the two? With him, Playboy Russo, is there anything there? We don't know. No. relationship between the two with him Playboy Russo is there anything there we don't know so he's saying he's facing 232 years in jail okay Marco Locomache is he in jail right now yeah my colleague yes and is he the Pablo

Escobar of the PCC a lot of people say that yeah he is yeah it's a fair it's a fair assessment yes and and there's no link between the two relationships at all. We can say there is. But I can add something. During my father's administration, Marcola was transferred to other jail in the middle of the jungle. Let me say that. I think he went to Porto Velho in Rondonia.

And when Lula got back again, so now we have Lula as president, I don't know how, I don't know in what terms, but this guy came back again to Brasilia to the capital Yes, I'm talking about the fact I'm talking about the fact I I don't have anything that I can say. Oh this guy he made kind of agreement with the new president I cannot say that But it's very strange why they should go back again with one of the head of the number one criminal organization back to Brasilia. But there are definitely connections between the left and the drug cartels. I mean for example Lula is part of an organization

called the Foto de São Paulo, okay. This is the basically an union from all the left parties in Latin America. One of the founding members of the Foto de São Paulo is the FARC, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, who control all the drugs in Colombia until they became a leftist party. But they're founding members. The connections between the left and drug cartels in Brazil are absolutely insane.

And here's the thing, in 2022, we could not report that. We used to get court orders from Marais. I was on TV, on primetime TV, cable news TV. I wanted to report the connections that Lula had with the drug cartels and I couldn't buy court orders off Marais. And all of them turned out to be accurate. There was actually an interception of a phone call between this guy, Marcola, and some other leader of PCC in which he clearly states that he supports and he endorses Lula and he would like Lula to win another leader of PCC. This guy. What year? 2022.

This was now 2022. While he's in jail. While he's in jail. Who intercepted it? Who intercepted the federal police So why why 2022 who's president Bolsonaro or Bolsonaro? They had like dialogues the audio says that they had that dialogue They could they could they could have a they could debate with them they could negotiate with them not with Bolsonaro and Bolsonaro they couldn't. He said because with Lula, our lives will be much easier, everything will be much better for us. Yes. And ever since Lula got back to the

public. And everybody's heard that. No, that's the thing. It's an investigation from the police that went public. I posted it on my social media. Morais took it down. Yeah. Morais took it down. Took it down. On which platform? I think it was Instagram. So let me ask you. Okay. So I cannot put an audio that's public recorded from the police because it was fake news. What percentage of Brazil will have access to this interview right now on YouTube in

Brazil? What percentage? I don't know, maybe 10, 15 percent. 10, 15 percent. Well, all of them who have access. We will, of course, we will post on our social media and that will get much bigger. Now, Nicholas Poirot sees social media and that, but that's the thing. I'm afraid to get these parts that I'm saying to you right now.

If I post on my social media, then I can have my house raided by federal police. I totally get it. So far, but where I'm going with this is what percentage of, like today, I posted a tweet and the question I put on there was what do you think about Alexandre from Brazil is he the most powerful man in Brazil and it is the least liked commented post I've had in a year okay that I posted with this I don't know whether it's because my audience could care less about Brazil, or maybe it's because the audience is sitting there

and certain people who are interested in this don't see it, right? Then I went on your platform and I noticed, no, when you guys tweet, you guys get a lot of traffic. You got a lot of traffic, so it means people from Brazil are seeing your stuff. Maybe my audience is not interested right now on what's going on with Brazil,

because I'm not Brazilian, I'm not talking about it Okay, please guys reposted I just I'm gonna retweet it right now So what I want to know is what I want to know is I want to know if if he is who he is then you're telling the story of Whatever Camacho whatever his for Marcola. I think right Marcola Camacho makes the phone of whatever, Camacho, whatever his, for Marcola, I think, right? Marcola Camacho makes the phone call, Marcola Camacho, okay. And then did Marcola Camacho, who's in jail at the time,

is Lula also in jail at the time in 2022? Is Lula in jail in 2022? No, no, no, no, he wasn't. No, he was running for president. Was he and Lula ever in jail together? Were they ever at the same jail? No. No, not at the same jail.

They've never been at the same, and that's proven people know that. It's two separate jails. Lula was in Curitiba. Lula was in Curitiba, yeah. And Lula was not in actual prison. He was like in a federal police. Has Lula or Marcola in the past ever had a relationship together? Is there any history of that?

They are too smart to do that. Everything happens behind closed doors. But you gotta realize, Lula's been a great community organizer, speaker, rallying, he's going up, he's a great speaker, energized, he knows how to get people to say it's not fair, what they're doing to you, he's like an AOC, right? He used to be. Now they say he has no more audience. Another weird thing that's happening is that... But now he's giving money to them, socialism, so now he's getting people to be like, hey, this guy's a nice guy, he's giving us money. If you can pull up the statistic number on the kind of money being spent by the government,

look at the rise here. Zoom in a little bit. This is from 2007 to 2029. Look at the number there on the bottom. So it's gradually climbing, nothing insane. 2021, 2022, Lula goes in, look at the spending the next year. Boom, boom. Skyrocketing. Insane 2021 2022 Lula goes and look at the spending the next year boom boom Skyrocketing they go up from

700 billion dollars they go up a hundred and sixty billion dollars and spending the next year 120 within two years He goes from seven thirty billion budget two billion dollars. You're talking about an increase of three hundred and Whatever two hundred and sixty60 billion that they increased. What do you do with that? I'll give you this, I'll give you that, more entitlement programs. So you win the votes. This is kind of like Biden right now is trying to give money to all these colleges and forgiving. It's an effective strategy.

But then lead me to this one. Can you pull up the one when the inauguration of Lula right? He's winning and This this man here walks by you guys obviously know who he is. I had to look up to see who he is I know yeah, if you don't want to say the name I can say the name Benedito Goncalves right now at the time who is Benedito is your powerful man? He was a judge from Electoral court he was the he was one of most important, because Brazil has a very weird structure. All elections in Brazil were electronic, fully electronic, we talked about this, and centralized by one court, which is the Superior Electoral Court.

He runs it. He is at the same time a justice of the Supreme Court, and until next month, he's also, and he has been for the past two years, the president, which is like chief justice of the Superior Court and until next month he's also and has been for the past two years the president which is like chief justice of the Superior Electoral Court. At the same time. This guy. This is more eyes, not Benedito. More eyes, that's more eyes.

Benedito is like his right hand, the second most important guy, he's the corregidor on the Superior Electoral Court. Okay, play this clip. So this is inauguration, it's announced. Lula is winning. The man right in the middle sitting, that's sitting right above the emblem. You see a bald man right there? That's Morais, right? In the middle.

Watch the man, Benedito, is going to walk from the left. He's coming to the right. Play this clip, Rob. The black fat one. He taps the shoulder, whispers something in the ear. Can you play it one more time? Listen closely. shoulder, whisper something in the ear. I need something, that means something to you. Yeah. Can you play it one more time?

Listen closely. I need something, that means something to you. I asked some of the friends here that are, speak the language, he says, mission accomplished. Yeah. Mission given, mission accomplished. Mission given, mission accomplished. Yes. And he's saying it to Morais.

Let me ask you, is he telling Morais that you gave me the mission, I helped you accomplish the mission, or is it the other way around? That Benedito said, we gave the mission, we accomplished it together. What he's saying is you gave me a mission, and I did it. I delivered for you. So his loyalty is to Morais. We don't know, we don't. You understand the question I'm asking?

Who is the boss? We can't say. We can't say but that. Mission given, mission accomplished. Who gave the mission? It looks like he's talking to Morais and Morais gave the mission, but maybe they're celebrating together that they accomplished the mission they received. Patrick, one thing is they never came out to explain this phrase.

This is the thing. They never came, oh, we were saying that, we were saying that, we are clarifying for everyone. They never said that. So? We don't know. There's another justice from the Supreme Court that once said, and it was caught on camera, saying elections are not won, the elections are taken.

And it's recorded. But if I post it here. That was Barhoz, right? Yeah, Barhoz. That's the current Chief Justice of Brazilian Supreme Court. The same guy that said we, he went to a student union meeting. You really want to go to Brazil, it's obvious. Go ahead.

Yes. He went to a union, a student union meeting, a political meeting, like rally, and he said, we defeated Bolsonaro. We, like who's we? You're a Supreme Court justice? You defeated Bolsonaro? How can you say that and nothing happens to you? Who could pull up the chief of staff guy you're talking about?

It's the chief justice. It's Luis Barroso. B-A-R-R-O-S-O. See, Patrick, what happens is that the establishment lost the control of the opinion from the population. And now they are using its last resource, which is the Supreme Court. Now they are using, they're running our country under a Supreme Court. There's majority, the majority of the justice were chosen by the left, by workers party, by Lula. And now they gave Borais all this power for him to be the front man and take Bolsonaro down and take the right wing and conservatives down from the from politics.

The problem is, and this is what I think everyone is realizing now, Moraes got so much power. Now he's drunk by it and they realized they created this monster that they can't control anymore. He has broken the leash and now he's deciding to do whatever he wants. And since that started happening, even the legacy media that supported his actions are now going back and saying, wait, wait, wait, now I think we're having a Frankenstein event here. We created a monster, now we can't control him, now he's going after us, he's going after

everyone. That's what happens when you give too much power to someone. And now we are in the situation that Morais is seen not only in Brazil, but outside Brazil as a dictatorship. And I believe strongly that Brazil is no longer a democracy. We are living under a dictatorship. And that's why now Lula, he put like two friends in the Supreme Court. One is a friend of him for like, I don't know, 20, 30 years long.

It's called Flavio Dino. He's a friend of Lula. A communist? Yes, a communist. And the other one is Zanin, who was his personal lawyer. So Lula, he indicated the appointed the his personal lawyer to the Supreme Court and his best friend to the Supreme Court as well. So we see this as a balance for the power of Alexander Hasnall.

And all the drug dealers and cartel leaders and criminals are being freed. We're seeing, not only freed, returning everything they seized, helicopters, money. His former lawyer, he was seated at Supreme Court Justice? Yes. Yes. That's the guy who censored us. Because of this guy, he was his lawyer during the campaign. He was the one asking Morais to censor us. And Morais accepted censoring us because of his demands. So can you go back to that other guy? Can you go back to Luis Roberto Barroso? So, Barroso, right there, so if you look at the school he went to, Barroso graduated in law from a Master's degree from Yale University, PhD, postdoctoral Harvard Law School, so I

am so curious who he went to school with in the States and America. He's considered a liberal and progressive justice providing landmark votes on the legalization of abortion and pregnancies originating from rape He's the most ideological justice of the court. And criminalization of homophobia and transphobia in Brazil? Yes. Yes. He says that if the Congress do not approve a bill talking about that, so from now one Everything that we consider for example homobic, it will receive the same punishment for racism. So he says we have a lack here in the law and the Congress is not working, he says, but I say that the Congress do not want

to approve that because no one is going to vote for abortion and they know that they do not have the majority inside of the Congress, so that's why they are doing that through the Supreme Court, just like what happened in Colombia. In Colombia now you have legal abortion doing that through the Supreme Court just like what happened in Colombia. In Colombia now you have legal abortion that came through the hands of the justice of the Supreme Court, but if I can add something very important about Luis Roberto Barroso before Alexandre de Moraes, this was the president of the Superior Electoral Court and when we were inside of the Congress trying to approve what we call the printed vote bill

Which would bring more the possibility to recount the votes more transparency in our electoral process he went to the Congress and talked with 11 presidents of political parties and Changed their minds So we you're being nice according to a few members of Congress that I talked to and I can say that They say they were threatened by him. They judge the Supreme Court. They judge Yeah, they're they're under the Supreme Court. So if they commit a crime, they're gonna be tried in the Supreme Court by the Supreme Court Okay, so what and several members of the Brazilian Congress have been charged for corruption They have case spending on the Supreme Court.

According to several reports that I received, incredible reports, he threatened congressmen and leaders of political parties saying, if you approve this bill that will create a print receipt for our electoral machines, you suffer the consequences in the court. And that happened many times with many other bills. Yes. This year that happened again. And they, he openly lobbied, that's a fact.

But I have credible reports that he threatened members of Congress. So I don't have anything to back that, but I have the sources. Okay, so voting. Let's go back to what you said. what do they define as racism in Brazil? Anything they don't like give me an example of somebody getting arrested for racism. It's like somebody who got arrested for racism. What do they do? I don't I don't recall any case But it's the same as the US left for example example, I was testifying in Congress yesterday or the day before. And I mentioned that George Soros was behind, as we saw, what was happening in Brazil in

a certain way. And then the ranking member of the committee, a Democrat, she said, well, that's anti-Semitic of you. I was like, what? That's what? Anti-Semitic. That's anti-Semitic of you to go up against Soros? Yes, because he's just a judge Yes, because he actually said it.

It's on the recording. As a 14-year-old man helped a Nazi kill Jews and later on was asked about it in an interview in 60 minutes, I believe, and he's like, yeah, it didn't do anything to me emotionally. I'm okay. It didn't bother me. It didn't hurt me. I've never been called anti-semitic. I'm actually more a scientist.

I have a case that I just remembered of racism. I can be arrested for racism because during a podcast we were talking about dictatorship and I study a lot about education. I was saying that every time a country goes under a dictatorship, usually the IQ goes down after some generations because there's a collapse in education and they do not let access to information. So every dictatorship is associated somehow, 99% going down with the IQ after some generations. And as I was talking with the guy, the host in the podcast, we were talking about countries

that are dictatorships and how their IQ is going down. I talked about Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and then he said, well, or I said actually, 60 or 50, 56% of all dictatorships in the world are in Africa. So we were talking about dictatorships and how it destroys the IQ of that population after some period of time are in Africa because I've said that because I've said that in Africa and when With less IQ people are more are less able to run a democracy I am charged by the Supreme Court now for racism. I can lose my Office my my your seat my seat my seat and I can go to prison

There was no mention about any race whatsoever during the conversation, but because I gave a statistic information, I can go to prison. Yeah, you're a dad. Pertagio, the case of Pertagio. My father was also accused of that. Of racism. So your dad now is in Brazil. Can he leave?

No. Why can't he leave? Because Alexandre Marais took his passport. And he took his, is this because of the Jetski situation or is this because of the... It could be. It's so crazy. When I hear someone say... Can you talk about this investigation for your audience?

Oh, please. First I ask, imagine what would happen if my family, if someone from my family stole one dollar from the tax, Brazilian taxpayer, what would happen? As we are not corrupt, as they are doing investigation against my family for years and they do not find nothing to accuse us, they go for that. So my father was riding a jet ski, this is on the coast of the São Paulo state, and he claimed... You're up.

Yeah, he passed by a whale. I don't know, 15 meters, 10 meters from a whale. That's him. I think so. I think so. But this in Brazil is a crime that by the law you can go from two until five years in jail if you disturb the whale. But no one applies this crime because you have a tourist.

Private boats get the tourists on the beach and go there to the tourists to watch the whales. Then Bolsonaro was doing pretty much the same thing. He was watching a whale. And then he was charged. He was under investigation. And one very important thing that we have to highlight is who made the denounce?

It is the Viral Mental Minister of Lula da Silva. Her name is Marina Silva. And she tried first, the first, I think, the first DA that took the case and said, OK, we do not have a crime here. Then she appealed for a second DA, and the second DA started an investigation on the federal police, he

ordered the federal police to start an investigation about this thing. So this was the crime. And the case was closed, right? Yeah, the case now is closed, but you have a lot of highlights. After three years of, like two years of bullying him and on... Narratives. Character assassination, now the case closed. Does he have a gag order on him right now? Gag order is a censorship order on him right now?

He can't speak he can't speak No, he can't he's allowed he can go to him, but he's afraid to know the country has a gag order on it Oh, there was a poll now 61% of the Brazilian population. This is yesterday, right Paul? There's a poll 61% of the population are afraid to state their opinions online 61% of the population are afraid to state their opinions online 61% of the whole population Anything they believe between 47% that's two months ago. So probably now is more than 60 47% believe they are living under a dictatorship of the judiciary Yeah, for example, I can be in jail Because I put like a wig in my head and I said that women are losing space for men that think that they are women

She actually did that. Yeah, and I can be on jail for that Like really I can be in jail. So if a deputy that has immunity to speak can be in jail for that What a common citizen? What can happen? Yeah, what can happen to them. Okay, so Argentina. I go to Argentina a few years ago. I was expecting to fall in love. I was disappointed. It wasn't that big of a deal for me.

I've been all over the world. Everybody would say Argentina is the Paris of, you know, South Central America. You know, you're going to go to Argentina is this. Argentina is that. Okay, could we go there? Okay. Socialism.

I keep talking to everybody. You know, 40%, whatever the number was, 40% of people work to pay the other people's bills. It's really, all this stuff, taxes are this, inflation is this. They keep telling me all this. I'm like, okay, how does a beautiful place like this go? Then we went to all the different spots.

We went sailing. We did everything. We wanted to kind of get the experience. Yeah, we went to the cemetery with, who's the famous girl that Salma Hayek played? What's her name? Don't cry for me Argentina the truth is I never left she did a better job than me obviously But so I went probably laughing Rob. I'm just telling a story here

So anyways, we leave then a year ago year and a half ago We're all watching this man that looks like an Argentinian Elvis Presley big sideburns screaming fighting chainsaw Kissing girls doing all this stuff, right? You know any throws the thing the paper these guys are out are out, they're out, afuera, everyone is. And a libertarian candidate wins in Argentina and goes to World Economic Forum that Klaus Schwab brings them up and for 20 minutes very slowly and calmly sells capitalism in front of their faces, right? And that thing goes viral all over

the world, right? Javier Millet. How did he pull it off and how do you compare this case study of the modern-day Javier Millet type of a person, your father, any one of you, in Brazil? How was he able to pull it off in a socialistic country that sounds like Brazil is going through right now? I think one of the things is the environment was so miserable in Argentina. People were desperate trying to find a way out. That happens every time socialism go into power in a country.

They destroy the economy, they destroy the quality of life of the population then when the whatever's option appears and Appears to be then that the possible everybody jumps into that boat So that happened to have your melee that happened with Bolsonaro here and that happens because of internet Because in Argentina Well, I don't know but if California keeps going that way the's going in 10 years, they'll say well enough with the Democrats Right there ruining the they're almost yeah Yeah, almost there, but like how almost half of the people they were poor in Argentina the inflation was around 100 below the poverty line. Yeah below the poverty line and the inflation was about 100%

So and they did try all the flavors of left in the past So Millay was rising up as someone that oh, okay So, and they did try all the flavors of left in the past. So Millay was rising up as someone that, oh, okay, this guy, he has a different speech and he is a professor, he studied economy, and he really represent the outsider soul. So that's why he got elected. And one thing that make him got elected also is because the Argentinas they use papers to vote Their system to vote is not like we have in Brazil because it was fully electronic and then Argentina use paper ballots So this is also something that that that made the difference and by the way, he's doing a great job great job

They didn't have more ice So let's let's look at that. So Argentina paper, and you think that was a favor for him that Argentinas ran on paper election, paper ballot? Because in Brazil, this is how you do it. You go to the election poll place, you just type the number in a machine. This machine sends the number to the computer of the Superior Electoral Court and then you pray that your vote will be counted correctly by a court that was presided by Marais, an open enemy of, this is like no exaggeration. There's no way to audit and there were a ton of reports, including a report from the

military, from the Secretary, from the Ministry of Defense, saying that the system, they couldn't attest that the system was safe and they couldn't do their job inspecting the machines. So I'm not saying the election was stolen, but I can say it was not, and I don't trust so 82%, that's their actual poll, 82% of Bolsonaro's voters don't trust the system in Brazil I'm talking about 37 percent of Brazilians and that there are millions of people and Patrick when we say about the system of Brazil like the to vote We we can't say about that like for in the elections

My father cannot run because of that yes, they can't you shouldn't say about that like for in the elections. My father cannot run because of that. Yes They can't you shouldn't say what I just said. Yes, I won't say but for example, my my accounts my social media they were blocked after the Presidential elections and I think that it's because I shared a guy who was saying that was there was something wrong with our elections. And just because of that, all my accounts on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, they were blocked and until now I don't know why. I don't have access to the process.

My lawyer doesn't have access to the process. So that's the level of what we are facing. So can you pull up the inflation chart you just showed Rob in Argentina? So you just had it a minute ago. Literally you had it a minute ago. If you go back, yeah, right there. So Argentina inflation beats 200% in 2023. So what you're saying is, things got so that's on 2018 to 2019, 2020, 2021, it like to that 35 38 percent and goes up 2022 and then all the way up to 23 to 211 percent and then Millet wins, okay

All right, no problem. So now go to inflation in Brazil. I'm curious in a what inflation looks at in Brazil right now We did we did the great during my father's, it was the first time that in Brazil we had the less inflation than United States for example. And interesting to know. Just two years, we need more, like I need more than 2019. But okay, so under your father went all the way down to right there,

we can kind of see, go back to that. So 2020, so this is inflation broke 10% in September. Is there a pandemic? I think there is a better one down there. It's a red one. It's important to know that the current sitting president of the Brazilian Central Bank. No, no, it's 95. The Brazilian Central Bank, which our Fed is the president is still the guy that was appointed by Bolsonaro.

So they didn't have a chance to mess up with the monetary policy yet. That's a good one. In 2016, it was like Dilma Rousseff that got in pitch. It's like, can you see it's like the same level as we are facing now? And in the middle, guess what? Bolsonaro. Like two... What years was he in? That's Michel Temer. The years that is low. The Michel Tamer from 2017 until 2020. And then we got Covid. Bolsonaro and then pandemic. And pandemic, it's everywhere

that it went up. It's not like it's Brazil only. Brazil bounced back from the pandemic better than any other country in the world. We actually had our GDP higher than China. And for the first time in my life, Brazil had an actual lower inflation than the US in my life. That never happened. So it's not, but go to 2024 inflation, Rob. Just go 2024 Brazil inflation. It's not out of control. That's what I want to know. 2024 inflation, Rob. Just go 2024 Brazil inflation. It's not out of control.

That's what I want to know. So it's not that painful right now in Brazil. Because it's just a year and a half that Lula took office. And the guy who is in the central bank is the guy that Bolsonaro chose. He's going to change now. In the middle of this year, I think June, right? Because the president chooses the director of the central bank. The chairman of the federal bank and stays two years in one office and two years in the next office. So now he's going to be out. And I think that we are going to face a higher inflation when changes the position of him.

But if you want numbers, for example, 40% of international investment has got out of Brazil. It's just getting out of Brazil. People are not seeing Brazil as a good place to invest anymore. So, we have that. Now, unemployment is going up after years. Since 2021, unemployment was going down with Bolsonaro, and now for three months in a row, unemployment is going up. Now, the inflation with food is twice the normal standard. So, the inflation is 5%. Food has been going up 10%. Rice has never been as expensive as it is now.

Beans, oil, olive oil. So the poor people are actually suffering a lot. And there is a, how do you say humble? When the government spends more than they collect. Well, the deficit. The deficit, yeah. We are having record deficits now. Last year was 240 billion.

Well, we'll increase the public debt in more than a trillion highs in less than a year. In less than a year. And now he's putting taxes on everything. That's amazing. Raising taxes, and he just passed a bill that Brazil, after this moment, is the higher tax pay taxes in the world, which is 28%.

For example, he doesn't have any responsibility with financial of the country. For example, he spends like 3.3 billion Rios, I think it's like, I don't know how much it is in dollars, but only with expanding for his travels. Like he spends money when the country like needs money for a lot of things. He bought new furniture for his palace, a new rug. For his wife. For his wife. He's a standard socialist, right? All the riches for him and misery for the rest Rob do me a favor

Go go pull up the richest billionaires in Brazil go to richest billionaires in Brazil richest billionaires in Brazil On Wikipedia you'll see the list If you just pull out whatever list you got right there Well, you need more than three. I want I want to know who the richest but the second one is important one Zoom in a little bit Rob if these are the names okay, so Well, you need more than three. I want to know who the richest billionaires are. But the second one is important one. Zoom in a little bit, Rob, if these are the names.

Okay, so... The guy from Facebook, he used to be a co-founder. But it's people that live in Brazil, not Brazilians. I want to know richest billionaires in Brazil. Billionaires who live in Brazil. I want to know who they are, if you can pull them up. Okay, so I got a list. The first one is our George Soros.

Yeah. Okay, zoom in. So, George Paulo Lehman, who is he? Our George Soros. He has a foundation. He's buying the whole educational system in Brazil. He interferes directly with all the Ministry of Education and he funds big part of the leftist political left. NGOs, he supports all the NGOs in Brazil from the left. Congressman, congresswoman. He supported and financed education in Harvard, I believe, of Congresswoman in Brazil He's our

People call our stars only sorrows who is number three Marcel? Rob if you can go to number three who's Marcel Herman tell us who is this his business partner his business partner Yes, so they're on the same page. Yes, we know who Eduardo is his Facebook. Who is Jorge? Mola Fino or Fijo. He's the owner of Hospital Is he respected? Yeah, he's all right. He's good. Okay, go to the next one next one is Carlos Alberto CQp da also also partner same thing and hyzer bush So Safra siblings Safra, is that more here?

Bank. That's a bank. Who are they? Anything? Or they're low-key billionaires, nobody knows them? Nobody, not that much. How about Jewish community? Jewish community?

They're alright. How about Alex Behring? Oh, that partner of the same two guys that we mentioned. And Heizer Busch? Yeah. It's 3G Capital, they own Heizer Busch and several other companies. That one now, it's like Luisa Elena Trajano. Like under, the one.

One more down, man. One more down. Yeah, that's like Lula's biggest supporter. She is. Yes, she is. And now she's about to go bankrupt. Yes, exactly. Why?

She helped elect him, and now after he was elected, her shares went down like 90 or 80%. But here's where I'm going with this, why I'm showing you this. The reason why I'm asking you this question is sometimes when you're wanting to run for office and become a president, even Biden, I'm going to tax the billionaires. He can't. You know why he can't? Because they're giving him the money. So if they're funding him, like if you remember that one thing, Rob, if you can pull up the

clip with Trump and Hillary Clinton where he says, Trump avoided paying this much taxes. I don't know if you know which one I'm talking about. Trump you're going to have a hard time finding it on YouTube, but I'm sorry, if you go to, if you go to, it's a moment debate, yeah, you'll have an easier time finding it Hillary, Trump, Hillary, Trump, taxes, debate, okay? If you find, is that the one? That's the one, yeah. So there's a moment in the debate, which I don't know if you guys have seen or not There's a moment in the debate in us funny. Yeah, we're Hillary Clinton and Trump

They're going back and forth and she asked him just verify Rob real quick If that's the one if you can fast forward and see if this is when he said he didn't pay taxes he didn't do this he didn't do that and then Trump comes back up and says that's because Keep going to see if this is the one yeah I think it's the one that shows that they have more views Rob go with them to see if that's because keep going to see if this is the one yeah I think it's the one that shows that they have more views Rob go to see if that's when he responds that's the one that Dave Chappelle used on his SNL so there's one oh here it is it's the one that's 152,000 views views go to the one that's

152,000 views Rob that makes me one that's 152,000 views Rob. That makes me smart. Okay, that's where you're at How many minutes is this? One minute. Okay, go ahead and play. I will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted as soon soon as she releases them, I will release. I will release my tax returns. So you've got to ask yourself, why won't he release his tax returns?

And I think there may be a couple of reasons. First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be. Third, we don't know all of his business dealings, but we have been told through investigative reporting that he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks. Or maybe he doesn't want the American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years

when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. So if he's paid zero, that means zero for troops, zero for vets. That's why I said go to the 15 said 150 2000 one. It's a top right Right, that's the one. Yeah So in this scene what happens is he saying she's saying that hey, you didn't do this You didn't do that. You didn't do this and then he turns around and says the following go ahead Rob Of course I do of Of course I do.

And so do all of her donors. Go from the beginning so people can hear the question. Did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying personal federal income taxes for her? Of course I do. Of course I do. And so do all of her donors or most of her donors. I know many of her donors. Her donors took massive tax write-offs.

A lot of my write-off was depreciation and other things that Hillary as a senator allowed. And she'll always allow it because the people that give her all this money, they want it. That's why. See, I understand the tax code better than anybody that's ever run for president. Hillary Clinton, and it's extremely complex, Hillary Clinton has friends that want all of these provisions, including they want the carried interest provision, which is very important to Wall Street people, but they really want the carried interest provision, which I believe Hillary's leaving. Very interesting why she's leaving carried interest.

But I will tell you that, number one, I pay tremendous numbers of taxes. I absolutely used it. And so did Warren Buffett and so did George Soros and so did many of the other people that Hillary is getting money from now. I won't mention their names because they're rich, but they're not famous So we won't make them famous Can you say how many years you have avoided paying personal federal income taxes? No, but I pay tax and I pay federal tax too, but I have a write-off a lot of its depreciation Which is a wonderful charge. I love depreciation write-off, a lot of it's depreciation,

which is a wonderful charge. I love depreciation. You know, she's given it to us. Hey, if she had a problem, for 30 years she's been doing this, Anderson. I say it all the time. She talks about healthcare. Why didn't she do something about it?

She talks about taxes. Why didn't she do something about it? That's a great question. She doesn't do anything about anything other than talk. With her, it's all talk and no action. So watch this. The reason why I'm showing this clip to you is because out of all those billionaires that have the money, if you continuously go the way you're going, like especially Brazil,

generally it's been a country that we feel safe going. This is a new thing that this is going on with Brazil. Nobody was expecting something like this to happen in Brazil. Aren't the billionaires, out of all those billionaires, how many of them are against Lula and Moraes that they're saying something that this is going to affect the economy? They're not going to allow this to continue. Who is voicing their opinions of the billionaires? Who is voicing the opinion of the billionaires? Who's saying things? Which one of the billionaires are Who is voicing the opinion of the billionaires? Who is saying things?

Which one of the billionaires are saying, hey, you know, we may need to go a different direction? Any one of these guys vocal? There's an investment group called Faria Lima. And they are the one that are being more vocalized. They helped elect Lula. They favored Lula. But now they understood that they made a mess.

They made a mistake. Or they are pretending that they are being deceived. But what they're saying is, well, this is not what we had agreed. This is not going what we agreed upon, the deal, and things are starting to look bad. But that's the only thing that I can think of. Actually it's very interesting because today there's the Estado de São Paulo is a big newspaper in Brazil and they represent most of the Establishment of São Paulo the rich people and it's more centered. Yes in São Paulo. Okay, so there's a big article Called a ficha Caio. I don't know how to translate this but they it means they finally got it people's real I shall call Caio Caio. Yes, that means the coin fell inside the machine. Yeah, that's what me

and What's talking about is what is? One of the most important asset managers in in Brazil if you can pull up a phone do Veggie assets, it's very means green asset asset asset management He's one of the most important guys in the country his his name is Stalberg and not Virgitte with a D with D as in DELT. Yeah yes Vede yeah and these these guys are here they're like our almost like our Black Rock in a sense and the guy guy is saying that he, he's finally saying that he regret supporting Lula. Who's saying it?

Who's the guy? Stalberg. That's one of the most important guys. What's happened to him since he's been Vogel? Luis? Luis Stalberg. Stalberg, how do you spell that? S-T-U-H.

It's tough, you're gonna have a hard time with that. I found it, I'll send it to you. Rob, I'll text it to you on who it is. Is extremely complicated spelling, but I'm sending it to you right now. So okay, so he says that he made a big mistake, regrets it. Yes, and there's this editorial piece on Estadão saying that, the newspaper, saying that the ficha caiu

up. Meaning the money people realized that they made a bad choice with Lula. I think they thought that they could control Lula but Lula is doing everything that they did in the past. The difference is we don't have that much amount of cash or possibilities to increase the credit for the people. Because when Lula was president in the beginning of the front 2002 until 2010, we were having the China was buying everything, minerals, all the soft commodities we produce. So Lula was lucky at that time.

But now after the pandemic, he doesn't have that margin to work again with assistance and all of that. So what basically he's doing, he's spending the money as crazy because left-wing people they do believe that the administration, the government, is their responsibility to generate jobs, not the private sector. So they are increasing the taxes, getting the money, spending more money than what they are getting. This is making a ruckus.

Creating a huge deficit. Let me ask you a question. Who's the second most powerful person in Brazil behind the conservative movement? Second most powerful. Your father's the most powerful. Who's the second most powerful? Hard to say. It's very centralized in Bolsonaro now. Then you have the second-level, let me say. You have some governments of states. Eduardo, I would say. Well, there's the governor of São Paulo is very powerful. But it's not in conservative.

When he says conservative, it's not. He was supported by Bolsonaro. He's in Bolsonaro's party, but he's not super conservative. Who's the most famous person that's not happy with what's going on in Brazil? Famous person, celebrity. That's not happy with what's going on in Brazil. Celebrity, athlete. I'm talking actor, actress. Actor?

Like what's... Gustavo Lima. Gustavo Lima. He's a famous singer. Gustavo Lima is a famous singer. He doesn't support Lula. Neymar. Neymar, Neymar doesn't support Lula. Neymar? Neymar?

Neymar? Neymar also, like Neymar in the 2022 elections, like he supported Bolsonaro and he got a lot of hate because of that, but he was very courage about that. He had a lot of courage. But Neymar, he has balls. Yeah, he has balls. Yeah, he does. I was with him like when he was in PSG, and I talked to him about Bolsonaro, and he says he's very grateful because Bolsonaro supported him when he was accused for… Unfairly accused.

Unfairly accused for… Women and stuff like that. Yes, exactly. And Bolsonaro posted on the social media supporting him and he was very grateful for Bolsonaro So how's your father doing right now? How are things with him? I mean he's in the hospital, but he's recovering Very very good because after the stab that he received during the 2018 campaign by the way It was he was stabbed by our former member of the Socialism and Liberty Party Which is extremely left in Brazil.

He was stabbed four times, I think, right? Or what was it? He got stabbed a few times. No, no, no. He got stabbed only once, but the guy twisted the knife. The knife got into his belly 15 centimeters, and he literally almost died. Like for one or two minutes more, if they delay to go to the hospital, he would be dead, out of blood. Because he died twice, because the heart was starting to be out of blood. He lost more than two liters of blood on the way to the hospital. And it was a miracle. It was a miracle. There is no other answer for that. How is he doing now? So now he had a problem in the intestine that time after time he can face that he can have this problem obstruction and then he had to go to the hospital and

receive a special feeding by the nose and he's responding very good with this treatment so I expect that tomorrow or maybe after tomorrow he can go back home and he's running all the country. If you have the possibility, show some of the image of the crowd, for example, in Sao Paulo at the Paulista Avenue, really, or in the Copacabana Beach really that we had. It was like 25 February is gonna be better, right? Yeah.

25 February. 25 February. It's the most recent protest that we made. Uh-uh. Because this is a long time. Let me see. No, no, no, this is not. Maybe that one.

Copacabana, right there was Copacabana last month. Yeah, show that first. This is where? Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro, on the beach. More than 100,000. But this was the beginning. This was the beginning. There was no one on the truck.

No one on the truck. That before trump uh bolsonaro went up if you search 25 january bolsonaro uh it's gonna be uh was it january not february february sorry february 25 february yeah february 25th or if you follow me on social media bolsonaro sp do it yeah Bolsonaro SP. So you posted the video. No, that's all. Yeah, that's it. That's one million people on Avenida Paulista. February. February. Two months ago. Yeah, two months ago. And then I remember. Bolsonaro is more popular than Lula Farfari. My four million people going to the streets to support a guy who is ineligible, who cannot run for elections, has passport suspended, who can go to prison.

This is February 25th? Yes. Yes. When you hit the volume, Rob, oh my God, what street is this? And I hit the police. It's a main street in São Paulo. And I have to add that people there, they... Are you kidding me?

They are under threat. Just keep going. It's ten blocks. It's ten blocks of people like that. Before they go to the streets, the left wing in the congress, they start to threat people. Oh yeah. Hey you right wing, if you're going back to the streets to support Bolsonaro, we are going to be in jail just like the people that went to the January 8th in 2023 as they are in jail now.

So it was a big threat. People is under censorship and still they did go there. It shows that people are still mobilized. I'm proud of these people. For example, Bolsonaro is more popular than our current president, Lula. You are more popular than our current president. Seriously. Lula, it's the first time that, Bolsonaro always say that, it's the first time that Brazil has a president without people. Like a team can win a championship without cheerleaders, without routers, but it's the first time that we have a president without people on the streets. You're born in 96? Yeah, I'm You're nine. You're born in 96. Yeah, I'm 25, 27 years old.

You're 27 years old. Yes. With 18 million followers. Now, this guy's a political phenomenon that's bigger than when you when you add all of them together. Yeah. When we add TikTok, Instagram, YouTube is more than 21 million. 21 million followers at 27 years old. Yeah.

Amazing. Only talking about politics. Let me ask you, what are your long-term aspirations? Do you have any plans of one day running? I'm sure everybody talks about one day running. Yeah, I know everybody talks about that, but I think that I have a mission right now in the Congress, and I think that we need to put our feet in the ground and see that there is a long path to run and to work.

I know that I'm very young. I know there's a lot of responsibilities. And one day, Jair Bolsonaro said to us in a private renew, and he said, oh, so do you want to be like a president? You're going to, like it's a bad thing. You're going to get... bad bad thing. You're gonna You're gonna get hard life. Yeah This is the same language

Universal language, so you're gonna you know, and it was like no no Bossa always talked to me like that. So stay stay humble Be calm because everything has a time take your time on your phone. You got a kid. Yeah, I do have a kid It's like two months. Daughter. Congratulations. Yeah, she has two months. I wanna have like seven kids.

Good, I love it. I would have 20 if I were younger. And he's unbelievable, Patrick. He's unbelievable. He's a very, I can tell, he's a very, cause I know him and I met him before he was in Congress. He's a very good person with good moral values. Very Christian and he follows what he he believes truly which is very rare with

politics. At that age. So he's one of a kind. He's definitely one of a kind. It's very hard to handle fame, sudden fame at a young age. Most people don't know how to handle it. Very hard to handle it, sudden fame and you need to write people. More importantly you need to be raised on the right values and principles. I'm sure your parents did a great job with you the environment you were in I don't know the story of your parents But that doesn't happen accidentally. That's years of Patrick I think one thing that helped me is because I came from like a favela a poor neighborhood. Yeah in Brazil it's called cabana cabana do pai tomás it's the name of it and

It's called Cabana. Cabana do Pai Tomás. It's the name of it. And my father and my mom, they came from a very poor family, and I still there. My church is still there. I go to the church, I play drums there. So, yeah, I keep my life as the way I lived before. I think that- Play soccer on- Yeah, I play soccer there, and I really do play soccer. Who's your favorite soccer of all time? That's a 27- old kid. All time. Okay all time. Neymar, Pele, Messi, who you gonna go? Okay Neymar I love you but I think the great of all time that came to the top I think is Ronaldinho. Really. Oh you put Ronaldinho? Ronaldinho. Which one? Ronaldinho Gaúcho. Ronaldinho, the footwork, Ronaldinho, the fun.

Yeah, to play in Barcelona. I think that he has the most beautiful football. He came to the top. But I think that, for example... And he's so likable. Yeah. So handsome. Yeah, he's very...

He's likable. You know, he... He, whenever you see his relationship with Messi, it's beautiful when you see the relationship with Messi. Yeah, there's a respect. And how he played the role of an older brother when he comes he hugs him. Like Ronaldinho was in jail and he played a championship there you know. Everyone likes him.

When he was in prison yeah. Why did he go to jail? What was the reason? Passport. In Paraguay. But I think it was all his fault. Someone did but. I heard he liked to have a lot of fun as well

I heard he's a pretty fun guy as well. You know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well anyway that that's it I think that's the I can say that is the secret I think you need to see the reality like always my dream was to have a family So I do have now like my wife I love so much my wife because I can't talk about my baby and not talk about my wife my wife. I love her so much. Because I can't talk about my baby and not talk about my wife. Smart man. Very wise man. And one thing is for sure, in my university, I studied five years of law. I'm graduating in law. In these five years, like a conservative young boy or girl who studies in university

in Brazil, it's so hostile that you can say that you are against abortion, you can say that you are against transgender in sports, only you can say that. When you go in the streets, how do people treat you in the streets when you go shopping? No, they treat very well. They're respectful to you, you don't get a lot of hate. No, I don't because I think that all the left are very cowards. They're only braving the internet. Yeah, they shout the left, they are very cowards. They are like, oh. Yeah, they're only brave on the internet. Yeah, they shout a lot, but they are very coward. And this is something interesting. This happens to Eduardo as well.

Whenever I'm with him and we walk in the, anywhere we go, people just want to take pictures and they go to him and say, please don't give up. You are our hope. I'm praying for you. I'm praying for you. I, when I go out, the same thing, my CD is the same thing. That's why we don't give up. Because even though there are a lot of, there might be a lot of hate from the legacy media

And some bubbles of Idiocracy the idiot when we go to this to the real world what we see is just love and support and people wanting us to Keep fighting to keep defending them and this is something that we have to highlight because sometimes people imagine that all for every picture that we Take I hate a hater come and talk bad things to us. And no, no, no, I can tell you, like, every 5,000 pictures or 10,000 pictures that we take, one guy cross to you, and when he's a bit far away, he start to say, oh, fascist, fascist.

Homophobic, and he runs away. So that's what they say. So going back to you, so all of you guys here, what do you think is gonna happen now with your pops? Right because your father is loved he's admired and he's hated by the opposition, right? What's next for him the strategy they're taking with your father? There's a difference between him and your dad and Trump here Trump They're giving him a gag order where he can't speak right every time he speaks

They're finding him a thousand dollars a thousand dollars a thousand dollars and even yesterday Rob the mayor Adams said what he said that We are very ready in New York that if he goes to jail We're ready for him if he goes to jail or they're ready to put this man in jail Which I think if they put him in jail, it's gonna be terrible for them. It's gonna be great for Trump It's gonna be horrible for them every time they do something to him. jail, it's going to be terrible for them. It's going to be great for Trump. It's going to be horrible for them. Every time they do something to him, he wins. But Trump's got a few billion dollars.

Trump's got money. Trump's got some of the stuff that's going on with him. Your dad doesn't have money to be able to go out there and do it. So how is he able to get his message out there? Their goal is to silence your father. How do you fight against that? That is a very good question. I mean, there are some issues that you cannot talk about in Brazil, for example, the electoral process. You cannot talk about that. But still, he's going all the way around, all over the country, raising up his flags, our conservative flags,

God, patriot, family, and freedom. And we have a strategy to overturn inside of the electoral court next year, because the Superior Electoral Court in Brazil is formed by seven judges. Three of these judges, they come from the Supreme Court. So next year, these three judges, justices from the Supreme Court that will be part of the electoral court, two

were the guys that were appointed by my father, which does not mean that they are going to do everything in favor of my father. It means that- Well, actually they have been supporting the- Yes. The price almost fully. A lot of stuff. But anyway, what I'm going to say is we will have, next year, a way more balanced electoral

court than the current electoral court that we have chaired by Alexandre de Morais. So maybe on the next year we can overturn the ineligibility that my father is having now. The eligibility that your father has now? Yeah, and if we can overturn that, my father can run on 2026. You're saying we as Congress? No, we as Congress. We as Bolsonaro supporters. We as Bolsonaro supporters.

It's very, I'm not going to lie to you. This is a very few. Very unlikely. Yeah, very unlike. I mean, but we have a- Unlikely. Because the establishment not like us. So what's your strategy?

What's your strategy? Well, if Bolsonaro doesn't run, he can run. And he's even better. Really? So if he doesn't run, you can run. He can. Thank you, Paulo. Well, I think you're better. I like your father. I like him personally, but you're better than him and worse for the left. I'm sorry. I have to say, I'm very blunt. So this is by the way, Elon Musk just tweeted this a couple hours ago. Given the terrible

flooding in Rio, Starlink will donate thousand terminals to emergency responders and make usage of all terminals in the region free until the region has recovered. I hope the best for people of Brazil. I think this is in response to a video that was posted by, is that who I think it is? She posts a video saying what? She's from there. My home state in Rio Grande do Sul, South of Brazil, has had the worst tragedy in its history. Heavy rains flooded entire towns in most part of the state. It's not one or two cities, it's more than 350 cities affected. People are not only

losing their houses, their jobs, they're losing everything. And there are many still to be rescued. Nobody was ready for such devastation. Towns are isolated, roads and bridges were destroyed, people have no electricity, no clean water to drink. This is going on right now. Many have been separated from their loved ones. And the saddest is that many lives were lost. It's painful. It's heartbreaking. So please join me in trying to help make donations and help in any way that you can.

Thank you so much. Okay, you can pause that. So let me ask you. She's such a good person, Giselle. I love the fact that Ilan is going out of his way to send a thousand terminals to them. So if the people in Brazil don't have access to internet, and if they do, the internet can block whatever sites that they're not allowing to go into Brazil. They can block certain websites, right? How important is what he's doing right now for the people that maybe don't have access to VPN? How important is this?

Look, I'm in a conversation with a lot of people that are helping Rio Grande do Sul right now, and the internet is so important because you can communicate, you can say where to put water, where to rescue people. You can be rescued. Yeah, you can rescue people. So,link, actually, it's an interesting point. The Socialist and Liberty parties in Brazil, they tried to banish Starlink from Brazil. Like, one month ago, after Elon Musk started to say

about free speech in Brazil, this party, Socialist Party, said that Starlink should be banished from Brazil because he was like helping the right-wing conservatives in Brazil. They're crazy. They have this concern that they can't block Starlink as they have been blocking everything else. So they don't want Starlink to become popular in Brazil because satellite, there's nothing they can do.

But in this case, it's a problem because everybody's talking about what's happening in the south of the country and Elon Musk decided to help and this is very helpful. Yeah and before of him posted it that he was giving like 1,000 Starlink units there was an institute called Instituto Cultural Floresta in Rio Grande do Sul. Left NGO. Yeah, that bought, no, they bought like, I don't know, it was 25 or 50 of these Starlink that they were already helping people with the internet. So before Elon Musk gave this, people were receiving helping from the Starlink internet.

So they saved like a lot of people risking giving food, giving water. These people will be with no infrastructure for a long time. Yeah. So this will be the only way that they will be able to connect basic infrastructure service and governmental agencies and all that. This is gonna take a long time to fix. It's like Katrina in the US. Something interesting about this disaster that's happening in Brazil, which it kind of like connects to the censorship that's happening there. The total

incompetence of the government to react. So it took four days for the government to start reacting. Uruguay wanted to help with some ships, boats and air helicopters and our government rejected. And then there was a minister saying that they were not gonna send any money yet because wanted to help with some ships, boats, and helicopters, and our government rejected. And then there was a minister saying that they were not going to send any money yet because the mayors were not sending their demands, which is a lie. And then people started organizing by themselves to send supplies, clean water, toilet paper, everything there, by trucks. And the government, the federal government government was stopping these trucks and giving

them fines because they didn't have a receipt or it was overweight. Drivers license, the institution responsible for medicine was not letting the medicine get there. So what happened is that we started denouncing that. We started posting on our social media that the government was not only not helping, but it was blocking the help, blocking help to get there, right? So what did the government was not only not helping, but it was blocking the help, blocking help to get there, right? So what did the government do?

Again, they sued us. We are now all under investigation because we are posting what the people from there are saying. The biggest mainstream media, our CNN, as you can say, it's global news, posted that it was a lie that the trucks were being stopped by checkpoints and being fined, right? And that the Secretary of Communications from the government said it was a lie and it would put the Supreme Court to investigate Bolsonaro, to investigate me and equals everybody.

But then another network, which is the second biggest one, SBT, posted the video of the trucks being fined and the ANTT, the agency of national transportation, stopping trucks with full of rice and mattresses and medicine and fining them because they didn't have a receipt or because they were overweight. So now we are being persecuted. We are being... No, no, not me. Not me. Well, some of us are being put under investigation by the Supreme Court for saying the truth. Even when the truth is being unveiled, even when the global has been exposed as saying

a lie, we're still under investigation. So going back to the beginning of our conversation, Brazil is not a democracy anymore. We don't have free speech. And if you see anything that shows how incompetent the government is, you can go to prison. Yeah. How do, who is the neighboring country that you have a good relationship with that can help you that's against what's going on today?

Argentina now. Argentina now because of Mila. Yeah. Which makes sense. I'm assuming Maduro, you know, Venezuela. No, Maduro supports Lula. I'm assuming Maduro, you know, Venezuela One one was the other guy or what one? Columbia no Columbia the guy Naibu Kelly. No, the guy that was running against

is Guayado Joined Maduro's camp though, right? So he's gone. There's nothing really going on there I don't know. Okay Okay. Got it. And then what's the other one you said? You said one other name. Uruguay. Uruguay. Who is that? It's a small country in the south of us. No, I know Uruguay. But who is the, are they four? Like are they, their way of thinking is what? It's not, it's extreme left, right? Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Ecuador. Luis Suarez is from Uruguay, right? Luis Suarez. Yes, Luis Suarez is from Uruguay. He's Luis Suarez? Yes, Luis Suarez is from Uruguay. He's center right, I can say. He's center right. Okay, got it. Yeah, I'm just trying to think right now, like who, you know, sometimes neighbors who don't want to see what's going on in a country

will contribute and try to help to the best of their abilities. What's Millet doing? Is Millet at all talking about Brazil or not at all? Yes, he even, through his chancellor, Diana Mondino, she tweeted, offering asylum for the ex-employees that were in Brazil because Elon Musk was even answering Nicolas Ferreira saying that when all the ex-employees, when they were in a safe place, Elon Musk would release more information about what is going on in this relation with Alexandre de Morais. So this is one point. He's in favor of the free speech and he's helping doing that. And now, during the floods that we have in the south of Brazil, he also offered some

structures, helicopters, if I'm not wrong, some boats. And I'm not sure if the federal government, if Lula da Silva did accept that, I'm not sure. But Uruguay was also offering some help. I'm just judging here. Yes, Argentina offered help. It's in the screen over there. I saw it in Gazeta. Which one?

No, it's not there. Argentina offered help to Brazil, but I say here Gazeta do Povo is a Brazilian. Only photos, sorry. Which one? No, it's not there. Argentina offers help to Brazil. But I say here, Gazeta do Povo is a Brazilian. Only photos, sorry. Argentina offers help to Brazil. So in favor of free speech, Milay is doing a great job.

Airplane, helicopters, boats and all that. I think it's not on the US. How does Lula feel about Milay? He refused, he denied help from Eurogray. It's something, another scandal. So Eurogray wanted to help. Lula said, no, you're not gonna help. We don't want anything.

People are dying. You saw the situation, how it is, right? You have people sleeping on the roof. People is asleep on the roof. Why would he say no, we don't want your help? Yeah, that's it. And then after he said that it was fake news. But the same editorial, the same news said that

it's fake news that he is saying that it's fake news. One of our congressmen, Marcel Van Hattin, it's crazy, one of our congressmen Marcel Van Hattin actually went and talked to Eurogray ambassador. Ambassador. Asking, what happened? Did you guys actually offer some help? And the ambassador, yes we did, Lula denied. Lula said no.

Because look, fake news is an actual problem. There are a lot of people spreading false information all over the internet. We had problems with that in the US, and there's problems with that in Brazil as well. But in real life, there's no solutions, only trade-offs like Tomaso used to say, right? So the problem is, who defines what are the fake news?

Who decides that? And in the moment that Brazil started to have a justice punishing everyone that was spreading misinformation or whatever, now the federal government in Brazil is saying, well, we think this is misinformation as well. So they're deciding that any speech that they dislike, it's called misinformation. So yes, fake news is a problem, but you don't fix it with censorship. And the Western world realized that.

It took a long time for people to realize that the only antidote against fake news is more real news and a free market of ideas and public debate. So right now, what they're feeling and what's happening in this strategy in Brazil is the government is simply stopping any criticism against them saying it's fake. For example, Patrick. So it's the Ministry of Truth. That's really important. In 2022 elections, the Supreme Electoral Court denied to put in internet wherever, associating Lula to Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua. Like theyit this the dictator anyone that posted this on internet They got a fine or their accounts were blocked. Okay another thing that we couldn't say that there was a

relationship with Crimal organizations in Lula even though there was a, that recorded the recording audio that we said here before. So now Lula received Maduro in Brazil. Now Lula, it's for life. Reestablish full relationship with Venezuela. Yeah, he has a full relationship not only with Venezuela, but Nicaragua also. So the important question is who from the left in Brazil is being sued or fined

because of fake news Anyone no one any congressman any congresswoman you don't have a Journalist from the left there are being fined because of fake news only Conservatives that's like the problem what this is this so your house Congress MP. How many is left? How many is right? What's the split? 130 left 130 right and the rest in the middle Logical almost a hundred is right and the other 400 is center divided with center and left wing but the left has a run that a hundred as well

Mostly hard left hard left this center in Brazil divided with center and left wing. But the left has a run that a hundred as well, mostly. Hard left, hard left. The center in Brazil, they decide. They run the show, but they have price tag. Yeah, really, really. They have price tag. But the center in Brazil, it means corruption. We don't buy it.

The left buys the center, so the center votes with them. So the problem is, you know, but it is a great thing, okay? Because back in the 90s and- There was two. 2002, there was two. 90s and yeah, and there was two 2002 There was two his dad and another one and there is for example Yes now I know that's not the ideal world, but we it's more than we ever had and these guys are great I mean really I'm known a lot of politicians in the US and in Brazil and you have here three of our best guys Guy is a very very good person as well. I met him when he was a podcaster. Okay that's his background. He has an English cool but he

was a podcaster as well. Nicolas already said too many things about you but you deserve them. And Eduardo Bolsonaro, he's one of the most humble down to earth person that I've ever met. Although he's the son of a president. Yeah. So and it's consensual. If you in Congress, you know, a lot of disputes and political disputes in Congress, same as here. You see on the right people have their own vanities and they disagree with each other. Everybody likes Eduardo. Left, right, center, they like him. Right. No, they don't. Who does the left like? But even the center likes him. It's not important only who supports you, but who doesn't support you.

My point being, we have the best congress we ever had in Brazil. For conservatives. Until it's not the ideal, we can't do much, because we know that there's a lot of centerised power, but we can, like, we can, not too much, but we can speak, we can open the eyes of the people. I expose. Yeah, 25 February, we became a danger. We became a danger to the establishment. Can you really expose while in Brazil?

Yeah, we can expose at risk, but we can. We all know we are at certain risk. What's the worst that they can do to you? Just arrest you? Arrest, not just arrest. Daniel Silveira, the congressman, nine years in prison for recording a video harshly criticizing Morais. He's serving now in general population in Rio. Look, Patrick.

What's the worst thing he said in that video? I really don't know, but look, it was a hard speech, okay? A really hard speech. Bad words. Yeah, a lot of people like disagree with him, even from the right. I think everyone's agree with everyone. But it doesn't mean anything because... is in jail in the worst jail, one of the worst jails in Brazil, one of the most criminal drug dealers in Brazil. The worst prison that I was in my life was Bangu 1, that is the place that he is right

now. And he's in jail because of opinion Prison this guy. Yes. Yeah this guy in him. Yeah, he was a police officer as well before becoming a congress Yeah, you're sending a police officer to a prison in Rio with drug dealers. How How good that can be it's not that it's not the end because when he went to jail My father he was the president at that time. And my father gave to this guy the presidential pardon.

So when my father, when he did not get reelected, the Supreme Court get a case and they canceled for the first time in the history of Brazil the presidential pardon and send back again Then he also vetted to the prison He was in the prison waiting for judgment All right, so he was released and then he was convicted for almost nine years in prison And it was the former prosecutor of Lula the guy that former lawyer no the prosecutor of Lula Okay, the guy that was says car, the prosecutor of Lula. Okay. The guy that was

says car wash chief. The prosecutor of the car wash. Chief prosecutor. Yes. The guy who sent Lula to prison. Right. He left the Department of Justice and he ran for Congress. He was the most voted congressman in in his states, but not. He lost his seat by order of Morais. By what? By Morais. Order of Morais. Morais ports. Alexander. Of the electoral port. Wait, wait, wait.

He lost his seat. You can do that? Well, you shouldn't be able to. In Brazil, he can do anything he wants. Morais can do whatever he wants. Wow. Whatever he wants. So now you might be wondering right now, say, how is it possible that one guy does all that

and no one is there to contest it? Well, we have the Senate. The Senate is the only house that would have power to go against, to judge, to impeach a guy like Morais. But if the Senate starts moving in that direction, certain phone calls start happening and they go like, okay, if you go down that path, you'll be arrested. If you go down that path, I will investigate you for this and this and this and that. Not even that. They openly said that if any investigation is open against them, they will declare that the investigation is unconstitutional and will be nullified. And the guy who has a power. They openly said that.

The court saying that if anyone investigates them they will say it's unconstitutional and they will nullify the investigation. And if we pass a bill that takes away some of their superpowers they will void this bill as well because they will consider it unconstitutional. And Gustavo, the guy who has the power to open an investigation in the Senate of Brazil is the president of the Congress. His name is Rodrigo Pacheco. This is an important guy in all of this history. Because if the Senate of Brazil makes his paper, we shouldn't live what we are living today.

But like, there's a lot of pedidos de impeachment. impeachment requirements. Yeah, impeachment requirements. And he does do that. He puts like in the- He just sit on them. Exactly.

He's from my state, Minas Gerais. And like he doesn't have any popularity. He's not going to run for anything, I think, because he's going to lose. And still, he does do that for us. Nothing. That's really, really sad. But what we can do? We can do nothing. We're going to say to him that to put a requirement for impeachment, that all people came to São

Paulo, Rio, asking for impeach Barroso, impeach Alexandre de Moraes, even though he doesn't do nothing. You know all these people that you saw in São Paulo? Their main thing is, yes, they do support Bolsonaro. But their main ask is for Morais to be impeached. Yep. Isn't that a fair assessment? Exactly.

Yeah, fair assessment. There are four million, I think it's more than four million, signatures now on an online petition to get Morais impeached. Four million, that has never happened before with any, four million people took time to go there, write the form, put your name, email, confirm email, go there and sign. I am in favor of impeachment of Alexandre de Morais.

That's a nice thing to put on screen. If you can find out. Is it change.org? What is the website? I don't know if it's. I don't know, but if you. Or. I'll look it up. Sid said. No, no, the website? I don't know if it's. I don't know, but if you. Or, I'll look it up. Sitsen?

No, no, it's not that one. If you put Copola, C-O-P-P-O-L-L-A, okay. Morais impeachment. Morais impeachment. I think it's change.org. Change.org? No, it's not. There's another one. Four million people. That was from 2021. Look at that. Baixo Assinado, petition for Morais. But it's in Portuguese, right? Yeah, it's in Portuguese. No, but you can click and you can translate it, right? That's 2021.

We gotta find the link. There's a link there somewhere. Yeah, anyway. Where's the link? No, just read more. Anyway, in 2021, like, 2... That's it? Yeah. That's it. Wow. Four million. Oh my god, it's now almost five million. And now please go to this link and

support now too. Are you kidding me? Almost five million, yeah. So, but what does this mean though? Okay, so you get six million signatures. What does it mean? Nothing. Yeah, it's raising temperature. That's what we've been trying to do all the time. This is why we have been coming here. This is our fourth or fifth visit to the United States. Something that I keep talking to the congressmen here in the United States is, every time the left starts losing in one country, there's a whole network, global network, of leftist people that go there and support the left in that country. They will not accept the left losing in a certain country.

They have this network to help each other. But the conservatives or the right-wing people, we are fighting isolated fights. And it's impossible. It's like we're fighting a mammoth. And then when we start to gain some ground, come Soros and NGOs all over the place, and then media, and then everyone comes and puts us back in our place, let's say. What we are trying to do, and I think it's actually we are late, but we need to start doing that, is work together. All the right, the conservatives, clear-minded, reasonable, you don't have to be conservative. You just

have to be reasonable. All the reasonable people, the sane-minded people in the world, need to start working together. And Brazil is now an experiment of a new kind of dictatorship. It's not a dictatorship centered in the executive, but it's a dictatorship centered in the judiciary, which gives a certain air of legitimacy, because it's an institution that is giving these decisions to help uphold the democracy and the Constitution, when it actually is the opposite. And if it works in Brazil, there will be a perfect manual that will be replicated in other countries.

So we have to cut this evil at its roots, and the root now of this evil is Brazil. So we are coming here to tell everyone, look, we live in one planet, let's help each other. We are doing our best to get every single Brazilian people, person here in the United States to vote for Trump. We're trying to explain to everyone and we have, I don't know. Why is it important for Brazil for Trump to win? Ever since Biden took office and the United States became weak, all the dictators or the wannabe dictators of the world started popping up. Then we have Maduro wanting to invade Guyana.

We had Hamas doing that terrible thing with Israel. Russia invading Ukraine. Why? Because whether you like it or not, you might like United States. People from all over the world that's watching this, you might like United States or not. But as long as United States is the most powerful country, there's a certain balance. I don't know if it's going to sound, but it's a good bully. You have the bad bully and the good bully. It's not a perfect country, but when it's the most powerful country, all the other dictators

think twice before doing something, invading another country and having a reaction from the United States. When you have an old, senile person who can having a reaction from the United States. Now, when you have an old senile person who can't even read the prompt, make a speech, all the wannabe dictators are like, oh, now it's my time. Now it's a time to do what I always wanted to do. The US has been a force for evil. I will make the bold statement.

Who has been a force for evil? United States government. I will make the bold statement that if it wasn't for the Biden administration, Lula wouldn't be the president of Brazil. Okay? Why do you say that? Because they completely interfered with the Brazilian elections. Not only through their work with the TSC, but also with the threat that I said to the military leaders and politicians in Brazil. Our institutions would take care of Morais if it wasn't for the support, the blunt and strong support that the Biden administration gave to Morais.

And that's what's happening in the foreign policy of the United States. The US used to use its soft power to export democracy. Now it uses the soft power. The number one priority of the Biden administration foreign policy is LGBT and climate. So it's woke leftist agenda. And, and that, that's and Lula is their guy in Brazil. Definitely. They didn't want Bolsonaro. Bolsonaro is not a crazy environmental agenda. It's not, uh, towards LGBT. It's not towards the woke, uh, agenda. Definitely.

And it was their enemy. And they went out of their way to get rid of him. And I don't care. I'm not here, I don't care about Bolsonaro and Lula, really, I do not. I think the country needs to make its own decision in a fair election, in a free and fair election. But if you don't have free speech,

you don't have anything else. And the war against free speech is not only in Brazil, it's ongoing in the US. We now know for a fact that the Biden administration was working with a social media company to censor speech in America. That's a fact that's beyond any discussion. We have the documents, we have the emails,

at least since last week. So we know what's going on in France. You know, Rumble left France. You know, Rumble was kicked out of Russia. You know, China is a, let's not even talk about China. You know what's happening in Australia. You know what's happening in Ireland or Germany. So the war against free speech is a global thing.

And Brazil is just where they have the most power to enforce it. In December 2023, Rumble blocked access to Brazil. So there's no Rumble in Brazil. Because they ordered to block my account, I think Rodrigo was part of it as well because Rumble owns locals and Rodrigo Constantino was here as well. He was a target of orders against him as well. And Rambo Chris Pavlovsky, the CEO said, I'm not going to comply with it. Ilma said he's going to lift all the restrictions in Brazil as well, but he hasn't made good of his promise yet. But the moment he does, he will Twitter or X whatever will be disconnected from Brazil Yeah, Lula actually is there's an ongoing process from Lula people administration to ban Twitter or X from Brazil

Yeah, I'm a turn actually, but I have I have a question So I have a question about that imagine the future with the election of Trump. Let me imagine this this possibility If you Trump look for that as a trade war against Brazil, look, imagine Trump saying, okay, you are banning American company in Brazil, let's going to do the same with the Brazilian companies in US. So with, I think he can do worse things. He used the Magnitsky Act to go against Morais. He can, he can, he can freeze bank accounts, he can cancel visas. So this is the kind of pressure that they fear with Trump's election. Yeah.

They're terrified. They are terrified. How do you know that? Well, because of the way, you know, because of the mainstream media. The way they hate Trump in there doing everything they can. If I watch regular TV, regular news in Brazil, what am I hearing every day? Trump is a terrible person and a murderer, a rapist, this kind of things. On regular news?

Yes, regular news. You know MSNBC? He hates the planet, destroy pollution, Islamophobic, Nazi, he's a Nazi because now defending Jews is a Nazi in Brazil. If you defend the Jews, Israel, you're a Nazi. Because these traditional media, they receive money from the government. And now Lula put a lot of money. You can research that.

It's not only that. Record value. It's ideological. Yes, ideological, right. But money counts a lot too. So they put a lot of money in global. For example, there is the biggest mainstream media in Brazil, and that's why you came to hear the truth.

That's why they want so much of censorship on the internet. We're going to put the link below to all three of you guys. Are you guys more active on Twitter or Instagram? Which one is the one you're more active? Instagram. Instagram. Because that's going to be okay. Rob, let's put everybody's links below.

I just want to say I appreciate you guys for coming down and sitting down and talking every time I do I learn more about what's going on with Brazil and every time I talk to people I'm obviously I'm a guy that lived in Iran and when Carter became president for those four years when he was president Iran was in shambles the Iranian revolution When Iran went from being one of the most beautiful countries in the world under the Shah? To it falling happened under Jimmy Carter and the closest case study we have to Jimmy Carter is Joseph Biden

and Again goes back to what you said when the the president in US is weak, everybody else feels it. I'm in US because of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is the reason why I'm in US. And he forced a lot of people to leave, we didn't feel safe. And a lot of people around the world right now are feeling it because of weak leadership here.

And it's great to see guys like you that have the courage to go out there and speak out. I wish you guys nothing but the best. When you go back to your, you know, I'm sure you guys got a dinner set up with Alexandro the moment you guys get in town and Moraz, you guys are probably going to go to his house. Barbecue, it's going to be a big dinner. Or with pool party. It's actually a pool party, right, Adar?

And I'm glad that your father is recovering well and he's fighting and he's out there doing his thing and Losing his passport over chasing after a whale or whatever He's doing with that obviously seems like a pretty creative fun guy to be around I appreciate you guys for coming out for the people that are following the story Like they said spread this conversation with others They want more exposure of this because people need to learn about what's really going on in in Brazil. Thanks guys. Thanks everybody Take care. Thank you very much