PBD Podcast - BREAKING NEWS: Dave Portnoy Now Part Owner of Rumble w/ CEO Chris Pavlovski | PBD Podcast | Ep. 354

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Starting point is 00:02:45 We don't do that because it's in our code for PVD podcast, but we're doing this for the first time I think it's the first time Tom being a Canadian if you didn't know if you're disappointed we have another Canadian we have a we have a Chris Pavlosky founder of rumble big shot announcement today. I mean a massive massive announcement today that they made They just signed Dave Portnoy and barstool sports is officially would rumble Wow, and it's such a big deal I mean obviously if you look at the market the stock is up 30 32 percent just today after the announcement being made That they're now would rumble it was It's such a big deal that Dana White is retweeting this and sharing it with the marketplace on what's going on. Exciting news,

Starting point is 00:03:29 he'll give us more details. There's some structure of it that people don't know, which you will learn about. The public doesn't know what the structure is. I think he's going to whisper to us a little bit. And then at the same time, Truth Social today is up 75, 78% today. And a lot of people are saying, why is this happening? It's because they're thinking he's gonna be the candidate. So Truth is gonna go and he's not tweeting. So everybody's gotta go on Truth to see what he has to say. And that's a power play he's making.

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Starting point is 00:06:56 She's brown? Yeah, I mean, she was teased and you have to respect it. You're brown, I'm brown. Yeah, but listen, life is hard. And if you want some uplifting news trans golfer Haley Davidson wins women's tournament. There's increasing chances to LPGA Let's go baby go qualify obviously big news. I'm sure many people listen to this are celebrating But with all of that stuff being said

Starting point is 00:07:20 Rumble let's get back to this and and you know with rumble I'll give a minute update here, here's one minute, just hang tight. But with Rumble, if you look at the screen right there, Barstool joins Rumble. The market lost their minds. Let me get this straight. Dave Portnoy, the marketer that he is, right?

Starting point is 00:07:41 The mouthpiece, he's everywhere, right? Mainstream guy is officially joining Rumble. Everyone's asking, what's the structure look like? What does this really mean? The stock is up 32%. There is no better person to talk about the structure and the deal than the founder of Rumble, Chris. So, Chris, tell us about what's going on here with the big news today. Patrick, thanks for having me on. Thanks for having me on, guys. I love you, Chris. Really, really, really proud to be on here today.

Starting point is 00:08:08 So, yeah, earlier this morning, you guys broke, and we broke that Barstool is joining Rumble. It's going to be a deal that encompasses Cloud, an advertising partnership where sales teams can help each other, sell ads on Rumble, and bringing all their content to Rumble. In addition to that, they'll also be promoting Rumble on all their social media accounts, only Rumble.

Starting point is 00:08:35 So we're really excited about that. That's a big thing for us to have a brand-like bar stool really kind of getting behind it. But here's the big thing. And like the thing that I think actually probably nobody knows is in my favorite thing, I think it's the best thing, the biggest thing is he didn't come for the bag. He came for the equity.

Starting point is 00:08:56 Which normally most people do by the way. Exactly. He came for the equity. So Dave Portnoy is now an owner of, owns part of Rumble. The deal was structured with equity, not with mostly equity, with a little bit of cash. So it wasn't entirely a bag like everyone else out there looks for.

Starting point is 00:09:15 So for me, that's super exciting because, he believes in this company, he believes in Rumble, he believes in the idea of creating competition in the market. And we need someone like Dave to get behind something. Rumble like him to get behind Rumble. I think that's like key for us and having Barstool and all their, their litany, like their massive list of podcasts. Let me tell you, I was looking at it.

Starting point is 00:09:41 I was like, oh, wow, that one too. Like how many is it, Chris? That's the cut. I I it's more than 75. I think I think it's like it's just like a massive list of Content they have so bringing that on to rumble is like huge because like all our consumptions driven by content and having content now in the Sports category that they cover, you know, very Very thoroughly is is also really complementary to us because I've been pushing sports more than anything. Since we went public, we raised roughly 400 million back in September. I'm getting losing my years.

Starting point is 00:10:16 It's going so fast, but like September 2022. And the majority of that, a lot of that money has been going into investing into content. And in particular, the biggest investments have been going into like sports. We invested in Power Slap. We invested in Street League skateboarding. We invested in Nitro Rally Cross Racing. And we even have the UFC on. And we run UFC Pay Per View in Canada.

Starting point is 00:10:43 So a lot of the investment has gone towards sports and I think this is like a super complimentary thing to have is having Barstool and all their podcasts on there really kind of broadening that portfolio of sports. Tom let me ask you a question. If you look at it from an investor's lens, when you hear, and by the way this is breaking news, just not the fact that Barstool joins Rumble is breaking news, we broke that this morning at 8 a.m. what's breaking news is the fact that this is breaking news. Just not the fact that Barstool joins Rumble is breaking news. We broke that this morning at 8 a.m. What's breaking news is the fact that this is an equity deal.

Starting point is 00:11:09 Bigger portion of it, based on what you're saying, is equity than it is cash. They got some cash, but mostly equity. How do you look at it from Dave Portnoy's POV when he says, no, I want equity because I'm long on this company. How do you process that? I process it a couple of ways.

Starting point is 00:11:24 So first let me put on my, like Dave Portnoy hat. It's like, wow, here's a platform that's established. It has a public currency, meaning it's trading on the stock market. And I am going to personally drive the value of that currency. So rather than paying me $1 today, you could be paying me 10, 20, 50, $100 tomorrow

Starting point is 00:11:43 for every dollar you pledgeged to me today. And when you're in Dave's position and you can take that deal, because he's been so successful and he also, you know, it's all public, so we'll talk about pen gaming and ESPN and everything that did there gave him his freedom back and there are some things that happened there. So he's in a position that he can go long on Dave by going long on Rumble. Now I'll give you another perspective if it's okay. Let's look at the Wall Street Analyst.

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Starting point is 00:13:59 Wow, so Rumble doesn't have to use any of their precious capital. They can keep building infrastructure so they can scale up to serve more viewers and more things with their platform. And they get the benefit of this individual, okay, well, I wonder what the dilution is on the stock, but they're bringing more content

Starting point is 00:14:17 that has already proven and established. Any dilution is canceled by that because we're increasing the value of the whole. And any retail investor, you know, like me, you, whoever on the street, you look at it and you say, wow, now there's more great content on that platform. So like when Sunday Ticket went to Direct TV back in the day, 1994, it really made Direct TV because they gave you a reason to go to Direct TV because there's great content. Content makes the platform not the other way around and you can already see the content

Starting point is 00:14:48 that's already been on Rumble. Now you've put more content on top of that and the market has had a value-driven, very positive reaction today. Congratulations, Chris. Yeah, that's a big deal. So, and by the way, for the audience that may be their only YouTube, right, or even X, or maybe they consume their content, TikTok, Instagram, different places. What would you say is the biggest differentiator between Rumble and anything else that's out there, whether it's YouTube or X?

Starting point is 00:15:15 So there's a lot of different components. X is very different than Rumble in many different ways. And I'll try to break that down, because I think it's important for people to understand. I don't see X as competition at all. The one part that we share is freedom of expression, allowing people to be authentic and allowing people to speak their minds.

Starting point is 00:15:39 But in terms of the platform itself, X is a discovery platform. So if I'm on a discovery platform like TikTok or X or Facebook or Instagram, you're going there to consume content and you're going there to find content. You don't have any particular motive to go there. When you're going to YouTube or you're going to rumble on YouTube's case and DIY video, you know exactly

Starting point is 00:16:04 what you're gonna watch and what you're trying to find. When you're going to rumble, you know exactly who you're gonna reserve like an hour to watch one of the shows on rumble like Bungino or whoever it may be. And you're gonna reserve like one full hour, two hours. You're not going there to discover. You're going there with a high intention of watching something very specific. And you might turn on your TV, you might participate in the chat and it's a very different experience than when you look at X or TikTok, Facebook or whatnot. So the way I look at it is Rumble is very intention based and X, TikTok and all the other platforms are very discovery, non-intention based.

Starting point is 00:16:42 How do you compare YouTube to Rumble? Now YouTube is much different. They're much more like Rumble, same like Twitch. You have high intention. Even Netflix, for example, is closer to Rumble than an X is. And that's because it all stems from the behavior. They have intention. When you're going to YouTube, you're watching the Patrick Bet David podcast, you're reserving an hour to watch it, you're not going there and figuring it out. You already know when he's going to go or you're getting a notification when he's going to go and you

Starting point is 00:17:11 see if you have time and you go watch the full podcast. The same thing happens with Rumble. Now, the difference between YouTube and Rumble, there's a lot of striking differences. One is obviously, you can actually be authentic on Rumble, whereas on YouTube, authenticity doesn't exist anymore. They've taken that out. You can't have conversations on numerous different topics without some kind of repercussion that's going to happen on the platform. Whereas on Rumble, you can be authentic. So people are going to come to Rumble if they want to really see a really true authentic experience and have content that they may agree with or disagree with.

Starting point is 00:17:48 Whereas on YouTube, you're going to be much more limited in what you're going to see and you're not really sure if that person that you're watching is being authentic. So I think that's like a glaring example. At four o'clock, I'll tell you a little bit more about what we have in store tomorrow, but that will make a big difference against YouTube. So I was told I can't talk about that. I want to share something for the viewers that you're about to be spooked when I tell you the story about Rumble.

Starting point is 00:18:21 And I think you will be spooked as well, both you and Adam and maybe even Tom. Can you pull up that story real quick Rob, on who was one of the early investors in rumble? It's a guy named Vivek. Vivek Ramaswani was one of the early investors in rumble. Matter of fact, New York Times broke the story. If you can go to the Ramaswani investment scene at Oz with his position on woke culture. So can we see the date

Starting point is 00:18:45 on this when this was if we can see the date on this store case? So July 7 2023, we're talking about six months ago, go a little lower, keep going lower, lower, lower, they're breaking all these things down and then boom I think go up, go up where you see 25 million, go up a little bit more, look for them, there you go. But until you file these financial disclosures with election officials There were a few details the filing reported that mr. Rama Swami owned up to 25 million dollar investment in Rumble the video platform styles itself a refuge for right-wing commentators shunt elsewhere He owns up to 300,000 dollars cryptocurrency, primarily Bitcoin and then all these other things. So $25 million Vivek Ramiswani is an investor in rumble. And this was a quietly

Starting point is 00:19:33 kept secret. I don't think anybody's talked about this publicly. But how did that happen? Well, first, we're not a platform for right wing commentators. I love how they let's do your time. Right wing, yeah, right wing. We're a platform for everyone. And we have sports leagues on there. We got BKFC. We've got UFC. So I don't know where they come up with that, but they find their way.

Starting point is 00:19:57 You gotta love New York Times' approach, though. They come from a gentle approach and non-judgment, love and hunger. You just crap on you just with like a... Go for it. Highly medicated. So, yeah, so Vivek was in our first public round prior to going public. Vivek was part of that with Nariah Capital and Peter Thiel. And he was one of the larger investors when we started.

Starting point is 00:20:22 And that's what Peter Thiel, when they came in. Yeah, I think that was in May of 21 or April of 21. Does he publicly talk about it? I don't hear him publicly talking about it. No, I haven't heard. Do you know why, why he doesn't publicly talk? He's got money behind it, he wins, right? I mean, if that's the number, 32%, essentially,

Starting point is 00:20:39 he made $5 million today. If that's the investment that we're talking about, right? Minimum, 25 minimum 25 no at that age No, that 25 million is a bigger number. It's a much bigger number to him Whatever that 25 million is worth today, but I've not heard him talk about it Do you and him communicate a lot you and VVIC? We communicate Not a lot, but we do communicate. I stay in touch with them quite frequently

Starting point is 00:21:02 What do you think about him as a the the way he campaigned and now some people are talking about potentially VP. I think Trump just announced he's not going to be the VP. What do you think about him as a candidate? I think he, he impressed a lot of people. I, he, he, I, he definitely caught the eye of a lot of people and impressed a lot of people and he did a lot better than everyone thought he was going to do. So, um, I think that's impressive for, to pull over 5% in Iowa is a very impressive stat.

Starting point is 00:21:32 For somebody like that to pull it. Yes. So anyways, here you go. If you didn't know, Vivek, investor in Rumble. But that's not interesting. No, does he post on Rumble? Yeah, he's on Rumble as well. He's on Rumble as well.

Starting point is 00:21:44 Let me tie in Vivek and Rble and sort of what you know, kind of reacted to on this right. What do they, what do they call it? Right? Right. So I remember sitting with you with PBD at the Republican debates in Miami. That's the debate where Vivek was like, I'm calling on Rhonda McDaniel to step down right now. Kristen Welker, you know, he basically did the old office space. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

Starting point is 00:22:08 You're cool. All that same thing. You got something to say? Go. There you go. So I'm sitting next to you. You're on two phones. You're checking.

Starting point is 00:22:16 Trump's giving a speech. You're also sponsoring the RNC. Like, you get a lot going on. I mean, how many phones you have today, but you're doing your thing. So there's a difference between perception and reality. I know you reacted real quick. You're like, no, we're not a right wing refuge. We're actually a free speech platform.

Starting point is 00:22:27 Free speech, ironically enough, as mind blowing it is, kind of meets right wing these days, which is weird. So, and I remember you showing me the percentage of breakdown of people that are left wing, right wing, right Chris, and you're like, actually, it's a lot more in the middle that you would suspect. But there's a difference between perception and reality. How do you avoid being labeled, even

Starting point is 00:22:48 from the New York Times and the media, positioning, rumble, all those right-wingers over there? It's like, the reality is we're just a free speech platform that should be left, right, center, up, down. How do you avoid that label? It's a great question. And it's true. The perception is not the reality.

Starting point is 00:23:03 The perception is totally different than the reality. The data, just simply the data, not by rumble, but by commscore, which is like the holy grail in the advertising industry. This is what people spend their money behind. So if the data says this and it matches commscore, advertisers put money behind it. So I'm guessing it's to them they think it's right. So the data has Democrats as the number one category on Rumble. Stop and think about that. Right. This right wing. Independence are second and

Starting point is 00:23:36 Republicans are third. Independence and no affiliation combined is the largest category on Rumble. I think you showed a sketch. I have it pinned on X at the very top because I just want everybody to see that because it is. This is pinned up top on rumble handle or on Twitter on my personal. Can you go to Chris's personal handle and show that? I remember you showing me these numbers

Starting point is 00:23:58 and I think it's important to talk for the reputation of rumble because if I asked you, hey, who's on Truth Social? Whether it'll be like, oh, it's the mag of people, right? Who's on parlor? Give me one second here. So if you look at this, no affiliation, 12.6%, other 1.2, independent 28.9, Democrat, 35.5, 21.8 is Republican.

Starting point is 00:24:19 Now, who ran this? ComScore ran this? Correct. That's very interesting to see data like that Q3 last year. No, this, yeah, September. What is, what is people's reaction when you show this? They're, they're thinking 80% is Republican. Right.

Starting point is 00:24:34 They don't believe it. It's that simple. They don't, they, they don't believe it, but, but like, there's a lot of things that have happened on rumble in the last year that might have moved this number a lot. Um, we signed like massive creators. We brought in sports leagues We brought on like we brought on guys like kison at and I show speed to do a show We brought on DJ academics to do to a show. These are not political creators

Starting point is 00:24:58 And most of my investment have not been political at all They've been in like various different categories, primarily sports, but we're talking about like the number one streamer on Twitch, Kaisenat, the number one streamer on YouTube, iShowSpeed, the number one guy in hip hop culture, DJ academics, like you bring all these people onto the platform and you bring on all these sports league like Slap and SLS, you're not going to have like the typical makeup of users that are tied to politics. So, and there's also something to be said is, maybe people don't understand mega that well.

Starting point is 00:25:33 Maybe people don't understand what the mega composition really is as well. So like, are they all registered Republicans or a lot of them independents or a lot of them, maybe even Democrats who knows The Mago crowd to make America great again. Why I mean Well, no, no, definitely not Democrats. Well for sure. No, I get that but like where where was the voter base? Where where did they do so well like where did Trump do so well in?

Starting point is 00:26:00 2016 Pennsylvania, yeah, the Rust Belt the Rust Belt typical blue wall that he registered Democrats five to 10 years ago. Now a lot of these guys flip flop every four years. They're the bipolar part of the community. What traditionally they've been the blue wall that has elected the Democrats and since Clinton and Obama. Correct. What are they registered as? A lot of times they're independent. There you go. Well, that that's in the data. Interesting. So independence, 35.5% Democrat. I don't think most people would have guessed. So who are some of the who are the biggest if you were to give some numbers, you would say these are the kind of users we have this amount of traffic, we're getting everyone when we're doing lives, we're getting

Starting point is 00:26:39 this many viewers. This is how many eyeballs. Here's what the top content creators make and what are some numbers you can give us? Well, the biggest stream on rumble Every single weekday is Dan Bongino and he's posting over a hundred thousand live Every morning at 11 a.m. And there is nobody on stream charts that hits that number Every day nobody that hits that number every day. Nobody. It's unlike anything I've ever seen. The growth on that channel alone has gone from 20 to 30,000 a year ago

Starting point is 00:27:12 to a year later doing, I think he was at 115, 120 this morning of live streamers, live viewers I should say. And prior to him you have Steven Crowder at the 10 o'clock hour who's just right up there at the very close to 100,000 himself. So you got Crowder and then you got Bongino and then you have also Bannon that's running in the same same. A lot of times in the United States rumble is one, two, and three between 10 and 12, which is pretty significant and then obviously some of the other big shows that we have.

Starting point is 00:27:45 This is sort of counterintuitive what we just discussed because those are the biggest right wing talking guys in the world. So how does it fly in that data? That's what I'm saying. That's what we're trying to grapple. That's why people assume you say Bongino, you say Crowder, you say what was the third name? Bannon? Steve Bannon? Hello? That's not exactly Democrat country right there. So it's a little weird how these numbers are shaking out But that's the perception versus reality But they're not also not also like your typical Republican that you you also see as well Right. So like they're not like, you know, you could see the stage when at the debate

Starting point is 00:28:18 There's only one Vivek, right? Everyone else was kind of saying the same thing to a lot to a large degree establishment versus your chapter force, right? Pretty much what what other data do you have what what else what other data you have would rumble that's big numbers to brag about so we did 58 million active users Which the majority of them are happening in us in Canada? I don't remember the US and Canada number off the top of my head But it's 58 million globally that are that are happening on the platform in the last recorder that we reported When you and it's over 30 million in US and Canada and when you like stack that up against other platforms out there

Starting point is 00:28:57 I think it was close to 40 million in US and Canada, but don't quote me on that the last time X reported their users in the United States, the MA used the number that we use. I think it was in 2019, and it was around $68 million in the US. So YouTube itself is around $200 million. So when you put our number against those numbers, obviously we're not as big globally not even close those

Starting point is 00:29:25 There's huge markets out there that we haven't really penetrated at all. But when it comes to the US and Canada we were very significant So significant that I think we have the largest streams out there We can kind speed go live on rumble, you know, they there was one stream where they did well over two hundred thousand people live Like that's on a regular they're like 50 to 100,000 and don't Tate's hold the record for like 450 or 4 so what was the number they did? Yeah, I don't know if that was the I would have to look to see what the record is but yeah Tate when he came back it was around 430,000 in one stream. back, it was around 430,000 in one stream. That's not like just views. That's live watching correct. 430,000. It's a very big. Can I ask you one follow up on this? So we were talking

Starting point is 00:30:16 about when we initially met Chris or did that sit down that dinner was two years ago. He's like, Oh, it was probably a year ago. Yeah, we just look right now. It was February 9th of 22 when you made the Rogan $100 million offer. Incredible, which was awesome. So I remember you were telling us your story about basically the humble beginnings of this and the business platform. But you didn't realize how far extreme some of these platforms

Starting point is 00:30:40 are going to go. And then just left sort of a blue ocean strategy for you as a free speech advocacy, right? So there's a lot of entrepreneurs watching this. A lot of people are basically trying to make business out of this. You just were creating a business model. You didn't foresee yourself being involved in all this. How surreal is it? Just pinch yourself for the entrepreneurs that want to dream that now we're talking about YouTube, Rumble, Twitter, X, Meta. Like you're in this conversation, Rumble, where three years ago people were like, Rumble, what does that mean?

Starting point is 00:31:10 Like nobody even knows. Like the come up of an entrepreneur must be really rewarding for you, Chris. Yeah, no, you know, I remember when I was pitching back in 2014, 2013, they laughed me out of the room, laughed at me. Like they were saying things that, you know, you can't even say on you can't you can't say it on YouTube But on rumbler right now if you want to hear what they were saying, but like the the VC market was cruel like super cruel and So but I went on I drove ahead

Starting point is 00:31:40 I our politics by the way in in 2013, even till today, we don't have politics at Rumble. Our politics were cats and dogs, if anything, when we started Rumble. But it was vicious trying to raise money and trying to get to where we were. And it is really, really rewarding to know that you've gotten here without their help.

Starting point is 00:32:03 You kind of did it without all them. That's like super rewarding. When you say they were vicious, meaning they didn't like the idea, they weren't willing to put money behind it. Oh, no, they were. Was there a part where there was like self doubt that you were gonna maybe fold up shop?

Starting point is 00:32:17 The stuff they would say to you in the meeting, I mean, there's one particular meeting that stands out that was so cruel and so like just basically kicked me out and You know, it's just really rewarding to know that you you you won tell me who he is Chris not kick his ass Chris, what's the biggest difference why you guys are still around and growing doing deals and parlors not? Infrastructure And this is a huge thing about Rumble that I think is so under appreciated of what we've done. So it's also like an there's one negative to

Starting point is 00:32:50 building your own infrastructure. You got to move a lot, you move a lot slower on everything else because like I can't just go to Amazon and take something and build the software on top. I got to build the thing that I would normally take from Amazon. And that's even harder than building the software some would say you know like so What we've done is we've built our own infrastructure from the ground up we we Were in data centers across the country. We have you know over in points of presence across the country And we don't rely in any meaningful way on any of the big tech infrastructure companies. We've built it. We've built the Rumble Cloud. We're anticipating to release

Starting point is 00:33:35 that Rumble Cloud in very short order, hopefully within this quarter to the public and We That was the one thing that that parlor didn't do is they didn't build their infrastructure They rented the they took it from Amazon. They relied on Amazon and Amazon pulled the plug and when I saw that happen I said that's never gonna happen to us. Well, I remember hearing about AWS We all everyone knows Amazon. This isn't breaking news, but I never, nobody really was too familiar with AWS. Andy Jazzy, I've been like, that's now the CEO of, of Amazon. He was the guy running AWS. They selected him to be the CEO. But they started pulling

Starting point is 00:34:18 some stuff. I think it was a rumble was that was the onset of this. They said, yeah, AWS canceled them basically took it down. So you had the foresight to say, dude, we're not even messing with the AWS structure. Yeah, we never used AWS. We used bare metal and we rented things back then. But when this happened, we said we needed to own it. So now we own all our hardware.

Starting point is 00:34:37 We're building our own network. And we have a lot of clients already using it now. So like it's in beta, you know, people that you might know, Tim Pools hold what businesses on these websites on on the rumble cloud rumble itself is on rumble cloud locals is on rumble cloud and Hopefully we'll have barstool up here. They're gonna be using they Our deal includes the cloud as well. So and what was it by the way now? That's four o'clock you want to give everybody the update on what the patent with the announcements going to be Yes, so we filed our first Our first the patent so it's a we're we're patent pending right now

Starting point is 00:35:13 And I think this is like going to be in a massive game changer That's going to happen. We're actually going to be releasing the Rumble studio to the public tomorrow And one of the things that's really, really important about this patent, and where I think Rumble Studio is gonna change the game, something that YouTube does not have, something that nobody has, is we're gonna, it's not gonna be released tomorrow, but Rumble Studio itself will release.

Starting point is 00:35:43 But a part of Rumble Studio will be the automatic bidding of live reads within the studio. So imagine this for a second. It sounds complicated, but it's actually pretty simple. Imagine your Coca Cola. Imagine, you know, you're the Patrick Bet David podcast and you're the creator. You're using Rumble Studio to stream to X. We will be supporting X by the way. We'll be supporting YouTube.

Starting point is 00:36:07 We'll be supporting Twitch. Um, and we'll be supporting other platforms through custom RTMP as well. But you're streaming to multiple platforms using the Rumble Studio. Um, and then all of a sudden you get a notification that says, Hey, Coca Cola want or Coca Cola wants to buy an endorsement or a sponsorship on your podcast and they're willing to pay X at that very given moment. That's what this is. That's where Rumble Studio is going to go.

Starting point is 00:36:36 We want to build it not only just a studio to live stream, but an ad platform that can help creators make money across any live streaming platform. And if you're Coca-Cola, imagine how awesome it is to be able to go into the Rumble Advertising Center and say, hey, I have a $10,000 budget. I want to advertise on these categories. And I will pay five cents a live viewer, not a view that can be manipulated or whatnot, but a live viewer, an actual person watching, you're paying for that live viewer. So, all the incremental views you get after that is bonus to the advertisers. So, they can put the parameter in, pick the channels they want to go on, or pick on run on network, and then pick a budget they want to do and then

Starting point is 00:37:25 The notification goes in real time to all the streamers using the studio. That's where I think we change the game for live streaming right now the entire video market is is propped up on programmatic advertising pre-rolls commercials that start at the beginning of of Of your videos or midway through your videos. This will have talent endorsing product if the talent agrees to accept it for the offer that the advertiser provides. That's a big deal.

Starting point is 00:37:54 Especially to be able to do with the instant real time, guys doing a live stream and boom, yes, let's accept this, read this, boom, here's money that goes into the account. So it's more than just a super chat option that you're going to have. So big deal, what you're putting together with the rumble. Yeah, and it's something that we're protecting because we think this is such a big idea. Like we've, we obviously run live reads with a lot of creators now. We know how successful it is. It converts and performs for advertisers far better than

Starting point is 00:38:25 programmatic ads do so we think we're on to something really big and the beauty of it's not limited to just rumble we'll be making money with the creators all across all platforms. I love it and you know one of the things I was saying during lunchtime is the following is when you're on YouTube, YouTubers are not necessarily going around and say, well, if I ask you right now, what YouTube stands for, values and principles, you wouldn't be able to tell me what YouTube stands for. Think about it.

Starting point is 00:38:54 If I ask you what YouTube stands for, you wouldn't be able to say it. If I ask you what Twitter stands for, you would be able to say it, freedom of speech. There's certain values, because you would think about what? You would think about the founder, right? What they stand, if I ask you right now what Google stands for, you wouldn't have an answer.

Starting point is 00:39:09 If I ask you what Facebook stands for, maybe you would say collecting your data, right? Honestly, you would think about collecting your data. If I ask you what TikTok stands for, maybe you would say brainwashing your kids in America while keeping the kids in China smart, right? Maybe you would say that and whether there's credibility in that or not, there's been proofs on some people I've looked at it where there is credibility in that taking place. But go ahead and talk to a guy that's a rumble content creator. Look how they are. They'll wear the shirt, they'll wear the hat,

Starting point is 00:39:37 and they'll say rumble stands for freedom of speech. If I told you we get a hundred messages a week, one of you guys joining grumble? When are you guys doing this? I don't even understand why you're not. You're such a person like you, you have the money. Come down to Rumble. I get these messages all the time. You know all I think about?

Starting point is 00:39:54 All I think about is the people that are there respect and value what you built. And it's a beautiful thing to see that they respect the app that's been built. And it's growing that's getting the attention of people like Dana White and Dave Portnoy and Dave Portnoy bringing all their apps over to you but guys if you're listening to this Tom you look like you want to say something so before I go to the next story I want to come to you. No I was just I was going to compliment what you did

Starting point is 00:40:19 because I think in ad tech you're really crossing over a chasm here. There have been people that a lot of people have wanted to make, hey, we're going to make the, and I saw this business plan in 2013 to be exact, hey, we're going to make the eBay for product insertion, product placement, and the movies product placement is always done by the big agencies, right? Paragon was a pioneer in that, you know, William Morrison, Devereux, etc. No, no, we're going to do spontaneous episodical product placement. And it's like, wait a minute. And we're going to make the eBay of that. So there's a lot of people that had early ad tech things, but it really wasn't ad tech. It was just disintermediating the agents out of it. And it was wreaking havoc on the ad sales on the network because how can you do product placement for, you know, I'd say a Coca-Cola product and then say, by the way, tell ad sales we can't sell Pepsi this week because we're doing spontaneous product placement.

Starting point is 00:41:12 What you're bringing forward in this is sort of a spontaneous, you know, marketplace and an ad tech solution, which I think is pretty clever. So, you know, have a look at that. Awesome. Okay. So if you're listening, rumble community shout out to you guys. Congrats. This is a big day for everybody in the rumble community. You ought to be celebrating all over the place on Twitter, whatever stories that's being posted, share the stories that he's posting and let everybody else scream it off the top of your lungs

Starting point is 00:41:40 on the big, big day that you guys had today. That's the reflection of a founder that's constantly growing to grow the business. It's a very, very hard to have something like that. But I think you even told you two years ago you're right that you do a job like this and you've grown it's a multi-billion dollar company now. And for some of you that have been following the Menecht caucus, right? The Menecht caucus is the voting that started. Okay Rob, do you have both of them? First we'll start off with this and we'll go to the next one. Everyone wants to know who won.

Starting point is 00:42:08 It was a very, very close race on who was gonna get the $2,000 suit. Here's what the numbers look like as of right now. Vinny, when we started the contest, he only had 103 Manects. Adam was at 572. Tom was at 291. Today, Adam is at 855, only 145 away from a thou. I think Tom may get to thou.

Starting point is 00:42:28 It's a race to see who's gonna get to thou first. Adam's at 283 on this campaign. Tom went from 291 to 779 catching up to sauce. But sauce is cool. Sauce is like it's all good. 488 is where Tom's at and Vinnie went from 103 to 658 555 monex Vinnie wins the flippin suit and not only that with all the monex that he did last week I think you got 400 reviews on your monect account I don't know how many five-star reviews you got people love you on monect

Starting point is 00:43:05 And that means we have to go buy Vinny a nice $2,000 suit. Congratulations Vinny. Thank you. All the support out there that you came out. We had a record break in downloads of the app, record break in number of people booking Manects. Vinny, I think, how much did Manect pay you last week? Just consulting and talking to people on the app.

Starting point is 00:43:22 I want to say thank you to everybody that was out there. It was somewhere just like beat Adam. Someone's like be Tom but then some were very serious. I'm listening to you talk you're in crime talking to somebody. I cried multiple times. 45 testosterone is gone. I'm crying right now. I'll ball. I'll wear my heart on my sleep. Whatever the chest. Whatever. Anyway. But um what was that? What was a question? Manic What how much did the app pay you last week just part-time answering questions here there? No joke

Starting point is 00:43:49 I got paid well one day. I got five thousand six hundred dollars in a day in a day off of an X and you know me I've never had that much money. So guess what with the dollar store. I wouldn't You got all the liver you bought a bunch of Let's go. Pulling paper. You bought all the liver. You bought a bunch of protein. I've been trying to get Vinny to, I've been trying to help Vinny go from a saver to an investor.

Starting point is 00:44:09 Yeah. He's going. He has no choice. What are you saying? When Vinny came in, I gave him a whole hook. Well, I don't want to, I don't want to stay on this too long. All I'm going to say is Vinny, congrats to you and gang. While you're watching this, there's a lot of different updates that's coming on as well.

Starting point is 00:44:22 And Rob, if you want to pull up to the other one, if you like to connect, Chris is officially on Manect. If you have any questions about building a company, technology, growing the business founder and his family down there, you know, and he's a Canadian and an American from Toronto lives in Florida. And there's a lot of different things that you can learn from someone like that as well. We had a conversation, he doesn't get political, doesn't get political, and I get it, but from looking at that photo, who's that little rascal behind him?

Starting point is 00:44:53 Who is that one you zoom in? Who is that rascal? Who's saying he's getting political? It just so happens that bad is sitting behind him. That's not getting political. There he is. He's just basic watching the UFC fight. What's wrong with that?

Starting point is 00:45:04 I'm glad you noticed that, Vinny,'m like dude your picture is a good looking guy Show the mug Chris. So if you got any questions for anybody by the way, Chris Chris put your he put his minnet rate at 50 bucks Are you kidding me like just go ask the man a question there? He has on Manette and I'm sure he's got a lot of value to bring to you guys But a lot of people are joining Manect left and right. I'm going to start off by congratulating Vinny. And on top of that, we have more contests coming up.

Starting point is 00:45:30 This Friday, I have a merch drop I'm doing that has to do with the late Kobe Bryant. Stay tuned. I'm so excited about that one. But stay tuned until Friday. We'll make that announcement. Anyways, let's get right into it. So question for you, Chris. Here's into it. So, question for you. Chris, here's a question for you.

Starting point is 00:45:46 Question for you. As a Canadian, okay? Proud Canadian, right? And you live in Toronto, you're from Canada, and when I listened to you, I catch the Canada, you know, some of the stuff that you guys do. I had a friend of mine, have a friend of mine, when I would go to his place,

Starting point is 00:46:02 he would, we would drink coconut together. What, however way you guys pronounce your beer, how do you pronounce that Canadian beer? Tom's drinking it right now. Coconuts, have you heard about this? Moose head. No, I'll find it. I'll find what it's called.

Starting point is 00:46:14 Coconuts, okay. Anyways, so it's more like cocaine is what it was, is what you're saying? Tom's into that vibe. But Rob, can you pull up what just happened at the UFC fight this week? I don't want you to get offended or upset. You know, Tom, how do you guys feel that after UFC fight, this is what fans, Canadians were chanting.

Starting point is 00:46:32 It is a little bit offensive. So just please bear for impact. Rob, go ahead and play this clip. Go ahead. You know, my English isn't that good, but I think... Was that French? What are they... Rob, what are they... I know they were doing the Let's Go Brandon of Canada right now.

Starting point is 00:46:53 So what... Rob, Vinnie, Adam, what were they saying? They were saying, fuck Trudeau. How do you feel about, you know, saying something like that about your Prime Minister? You know, it's interesting, cause like I think you guys are a little softer up here, down here I should say. And then up there where we're pretty vulgar. Is that happening a lot?

Starting point is 00:47:12 America is softer than Canada, hold on. Really? Okay. But wait, cause I want, you guys elected- Let's go Brandon versus that? He's- Well they were saying, fuck Joe Biden.

Starting point is 00:47:24 And then he's like, oh, let's go Brandon. I think it was the news reporter that got it right. It was the she's like, Oh, how do you feel about the fact that everybody's chanting the driver's name was the driver's name was Brandon. He's all like, I don't think by the way, it's been such a long time, Rob. It's worth playing the clip again. The original, you know, what are they? What are they saying? Yeah. No, she thought they were saying, let's go Brandon. The driver's like, the original, you know, what are they saying? No, she thought they were saying, let's go brand of the driver's like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:47 That's a nice car. Go ahead. How do you feel about seeing UFC fight chanting like this? Chris. Well, you know, as I was saying earlier, I don't like to get too, too deep into politics myself. So, um, you know, just listen to it. It was very interesting to see. Now Trudeau, obviously he's done a lot of things I don't agree with in Canada. A lot of the bills, Bill C-11 that he was trying to pass was, you know, the things that it was originally proposing was crazy in my eyes. So a lot of things I just don't agree with. Would it be fair to say that Justin Trudeau is the male version of AOC in Canada, or like

Starting point is 00:48:28 the actual step son of a Bernie Sanders, maybe even a Fidel Castro kind of a thing? Weird. Where would you say for the people in America, you know, our soft Americans over here, right, Chris? Where would you say that Justin Trudeau is most like on the political spectrum? Canadians are very left But they're also, you know, I think the spectrum is quite wide in Canada like we did you saw the truckers protest You saw the things Canadians would fight for so I think there's like There's it's very diverse in the sense that it goes very left and right

Starting point is 00:49:04 But why are Canadians very left? Is it is it the weather? Well, you have you have you have you have you have three major parties You have the NDP you have the Liberals and you have the Conservatives the Liberals Are supposed to be the center in the center But what you see but what you see happening is like the conservatives actually I think they had the popular vote I think they got like close to 40% of the vote plus you know the PPC as well had another 5% so almost half of Canada voted conservative but the Liberals have power and the way the

Starting point is 00:49:36 way that the Liberals have power is they have to do deals with the far left in Canada the NDP so I think that's what pulls them in that direction. And that's why you see the way it is. And then also you have Justin Trudeau. What do you think about Pierre Poilivier or however way you pronounce his last name? Does he have a shot at competing and being a PM or no? I think like there's, I can't see any way that the NDP or the Liberals win the next election. I just cannot see that happening.

Starting point is 00:50:08 If that happens, I just would be shocked. I was shocked they actually won the last one, so. Well, how does someone like, and I'm being dead serious, like over here in America, it's okay, but I didn't eat, he's safe. And then you get the MAGA. I have yet to meet one person,

Starting point is 00:50:22 and I'm not, from all the connectors, from people at parties that you know this I saw every single person that I've met Chris from Canada is Absolutely, disgusted with what Trudeau is and what he's doing and I keep asking like why do you guys do? Why is he in when's he gonna get out? When's the next election? What why does everybody dislike this guy? Literally everybody. I think it's just litany of different things that are embarrassing to Canadians. Like, just the pushback, obviously, in my world, on freedom of expression in Canada is a major concern.

Starting point is 00:50:54 Like, freedom of expression is Article 19 of the UN Human Rights Declaration of Human Rights Charter, Article 19, freedom of expression. It's like super important for everybody. It's a human right. And like when you have a government and that's pushing back against freedom of expression, that alone is gonna piss off a lot of people. That's just one thing. There's a whole litany of different things that he's done. But you

Starting point is 00:51:23 know, just on that topic alone because that's really relevant to what I do, is super embarrassing to see the stuff that they've done on not upholding freedom of expression. That's a basic human right that everyone needs to adhere to. Period. There should be no questions asked. If you lose freedom of expression, you lose your battle to fight for anything. Ever. That's how important it is. Yeah, we're on the same page with that. While we're at this UFC thing,

Starting point is 00:51:52 Rob, can you play the clip with Dana White? Oh, you found our friend here. Why don't we just wrap this up? It's a very emotional moment from the past and Americans will appreciate it. Thank you to all of our partners. Oh, my God, it's just such an unbelievable moment. Brandon, you also told me as you can hear the chance from the crowd.

Starting point is 00:52:13 Let's go, Brandon. You're going to kind of hang back the first two stages and just watch and learn what. Even he's confused. He's his face like what's wrong with you. I found out that Miss South Carolina, if you remember that, she found a job. Rob, play this clip. So here it is, this is following up with Strickland. When he gets up there and tells us reporting, when he's asking a question saying,

Starting point is 00:52:39 hey, would you be okay if your son was gay? So you never want to be a grandfather. I don't have a problem with that. And he says, just 10 years ago, when he asked him about Bud Light, he says 10 years ago being transgender was a mental disorder. What happened to you? What's wrong with you guys? Right? And then he asks the question. I believe it may be the same reporter. Maybe it's another person asks Dana this

Starting point is 00:52:58 question. Go ahead and play the clip. I get tough on the vote. Like you obviously give a long leash to your fighters about, you fighters about what they can say when they are up there with a UFC microphone and you are getting into territorial homophobia, transphobia. Is there- I don't give anybody a leash. Well, I'm saying you- A leash?

Starting point is 00:53:18 Free speech. Control what people say. Gonna tell people what to believe. Gonna tell people, I don't fucking tell any other human being what to say gonna tell people what to believe gonna tell people I Don't fucking tell any other human being what to say what to think and there's no leashes. Wow aren't any of them What is your question I? Was asking that question. I'll move on though. Yeah, probably a good idea That's ridiculous to say I give somebody a leash

Starting point is 00:53:42 Free speech brother people can say whatever they brother. People can say whatever they want and they can believe whatever they want. What a beautiful position. How is this position controversial today, Vinny? Well, controversial because everybody's own, like the NFL is owned by all these different people, but Goodells in front of it, because they're selling to America.

Starting point is 00:54:03 The fans of the UFC love that type of attitude. They love this type of guy. Did you see what strong Strickland was? And he was in Canada in front of that, you know, the press conference. They, he showed love to Canada and they were going absolutely nuts for it. But Patrick, that right there, Dana White, that you were at the press conference. I was at the one with Strickland. Yeah. Well, he was going crazy from the kid ran up on what did the guy look like the reporter asking a question did he look like a regular guy they everyone look yeah right no but would that he looked like did you have like a rainbow beanie on the press conference where the kid came onto the

Starting point is 00:54:38 stage I wasn't at the press conference in the prior day okay I got you but don't you want to work like you think about this because while that was well that's happening while that's going on They know why it's just standing at the podium not saying anything. That's a grown man He has his own voice like people like what's a bad reflection of you see guess who the you'll see is Philip Guys that are trying to kill each other like it's alright. Let him go But why even get into this topic? We're at a sporting event like why are these reporters even going there? Yeah, they're at a sporting event. Like why are these reporters even going there? Yeah, like they have nothing else to say. What's the relevance to Sean Strickland

Starting point is 00:55:08 and asking these questions? Because all the other sports are going there. Rob, can you pull up with the NHL just announced they're doing? Have you seen what NHL is doing? No. Go NHL and hockey stick, what do you call it, when you put a tape around it?

Starting point is 00:55:22 The wrap, we're wrapping the tape around the... Type in NHL hockey stick, LGBTQ do you call it when you put a tape around the tape around the type in NFL NHL hockey stick, LGBTQ, okay, type in NHL hockey stick, LGBTQ. So can they is there a video you can show? I mean, if you go at this point, Twitter doesn't work that way. Okay. Yeah, look at that. So they're, they're putting stick, they're putting that rap around all their all. So, so then to the point where they have to sit there and talk about whether we keep this, we ban this. So every sport nowadays is trying to promote LGBTQ. So, you know, why, why, you know, to their eyes, the reporter's eyes, you know, Dana, how come, you know, you are allowing your guys to talk the way they do? Because it's reckless.

Starting point is 00:56:05 Sean Strickland shouldn't be talking like that. That's what the reporter is thinking about, right? Of course. So to the reporter's eyes, it's normal. They like to put a leash on people. The same people that are anti-slavery, they're pro-leashes. Tell me how that makes any sense. Explain that to me, Mr. Reporter, educated guy that

Starting point is 00:56:24 probably went to Columbia University. How are you anti slavery, but your pro-pro-leash? What's the big difference? It's the same exact thing. Yeah. But you just want him to agree with you. And that's just not Dana's emote. Dana's not going to do that. Yeah. He's a guy that's going to sit there and say, guys, you guys want to say what you want to say? There could be consequences behind it. Good luck. Go ahead. That's called freedom of speech. It comes with

Starting point is 00:56:44 consequences. Exactly. I want to respect the guy the guy. I love it. Like speaking of like sort of double standards, you brought up the United Nations. I'm not trying to throw you involved in anything geopolitical right now, but you brought up the 19th provision. What is it part of the unit? I believe it's article 19 of the Declaration of Human Rights, which is interesting because what I would respect about rumble is that your free speech absolutists, right? You believe in free speech. Here's article 19. Everyone has the right freedom of opinion and expression This this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek receive and impart information ideas

Starting point is 00:57:15 Through any media regardless of frontiers. I think we can fully agree upon that in America, Canada But when you look at the list of countries that are part of United Nations a, a vast majority of the countries of the United Nations, they don't allow freedom of expression. Whether it's Cuba, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's fricking in Romania, I don't know, our friend Tate is sitting in a jail cell or is on house arrest because he can't say what he wants to say on rumble nonetheless. Oh, China. China. I don't know if they're part of the United Nations, no doubt.

Starting point is 00:57:42 Iran, Russia. So again, not getting you involved in geopolitics, but we're talking about double standards here and people talking on both sides of their mouth. Yeah, I wish that they lived up to this. It's a human right. That's the part that like gets me when you really realize this is like a human right. You know, everyone talks about human rights.

Starting point is 00:58:00 Well, free expression, like free speech is human right. You need that. You need that for for for any society That's gonna you know for any kind of society that it's gonna push back on anything like how did we? How do the civil rights movements happen? How do all how do women's rights movements happens all stems from free speech the ability to express yourself and push back to try To make things better period you can never get rid of that you get rid of that you get rid of all freedom Like that's that's where it goes and that's not acceptable

Starting point is 00:58:27 And you look at what happened in Harvard after everything with the DEI and all the congressional testimonies Harvard Dead last I don't think you can pull the suburb dead last and freedom of speech and freedom expression of any university in the country Harvard Like how does that even possible? So it's happening not only in Iran and in Russia, but it's also happening on Harvard's down out here. Harvard gets worse score. I got a question for you. I got a question for you. Say you have kids today, okay? And say your kid is,

Starting point is 00:58:54 I'm actually curious on what you're gonna say. He's 17 years old, she's 17 years old. Smart like you, schooling, 4.3 GPL as you say, okay? SATs out of 1600, they each get 1450. Just pick and choose who you got. Would you support your kids going to a Harvard today? Well, I think if you can get into Harvard, you capitalize on that opportunity.

Starting point is 00:59:17 But I would think that most kids, I've said this a million times, we talked about this with Candace Owens, most kids should not just go directly into college. I think there should be some sort of, whether it's mandatory or obligatory or freedom, most kids should have to do one year of community service. So in your eyes, in your eyes, even in your eyes as much as you're trashing them, if your kid was accepted to go to Harvard, you would say you should never say no to Harvard. So Tom, I want to come to you here tonight I have a question for you. Not even necessarily Harvard.

Starting point is 00:59:45 Any of those higher institutes of learning you should consider attending. Even after what we just learned was Harvard. Let me ask you a question. Here's a question for you. And by the way, let me explain to you why this is so important, Tom. Your daughter gets a 1560 on the SATs out of 1600. I don't know if you guys are at a point right now where you're announcing, where you're comfortable talking about the school she got in or not.

Starting point is 01:00:04 That's up to you. You tell me if you're comfortable or not. Okay. Because I think it's final, right? Okay, fantastic. So you didn't, and you guys for five years, I've heard you talk and you would say, Penn, Penn, Penn. She could, she had a ticket to go to pretty much any school in America, 4.6 GPA, 4.56 GPA, 1560 on S80s at a 1600, golf involved, smart, giving back. She's a leader amongst leaders. But you told me the other day, you guys didn't even choose to apply for her to go to University

Starting point is 01:00:40 of Pennsylvania, Wharton. When did you guys make the decision to say, nope, the name doesn't matter as much as it did five, ten years ago? Well, things, anybody that follows the calendar, when you're the end of junior year, you have all your testing and everything comes down. Yeah. Now you put all that together. Yeah. And then the very beginning of senior year, the applications go in and ED, which doesn't mean that. The rectal dysfunction. No, no, it means early decision.

Starting point is 01:01:08 Got it. And you'll get a decision back from the university by December 15th. If you say, if you accept me, I will enroll in your university. So that's an ED application. It gives you a higher chance of going in. So all those decisions are made on or around September 15, October 1. And you're clicking the mouse and putting it in there.

Starting point is 01:01:32 And you're correct. We have been looking at Penn Wharton for a long time. Wharton undergrad also has a minor in entrepreneurship. But, Tom, you didn't apply there. Why didn't you apply there? I'm just looking for that answer. Because I think. Oh because I was alarmed. I was alarmed of what was happening I was I'm sorry. I was taking you're giving me like a college planning for my kids, but I'm just asking I'm just looking at my life as the excessive level look you knew college campuses were liberal

Starting point is 01:02:00 But as the excessive wave of of wokeness was coming across, I was looking at it and I'm like, we're not doing that. You know, we're, we're sorry, we're not doing that. And, and by the way, six weeks after we make the decision, in the middle of the ED window, what happens in front of the congressional hearing? It's like, well, there you go. And there's the president. Was that the decision you guys made? You have a choice, Tom. We have a choice.

Starting point is 01:02:27 And we chose, we pulled back from Wharton. You pulled back from Wharton. Interesting. And you put your kid, your daughter in. And she also had a selected major. She wanted to study sports analytics, STEM. And she wanted to study sport management, double major. And she picked the best college in the country for that. Can, can I say it or you keep it? Absolutely rice universities?

Starting point is 01:02:50 That's so which is exciting. Yeah, she got accepted early decision Wait, I'm very excited brown right spin when the Dean when the was it the Dean or who was it? That's Dean talked to her the Dean. Yeah, the Dean of the college. Yeah, you know was the last time a Dean of a college spoke to me Probably on a podcast. We had him on here as a guest. There's no talking to us because Tom. We don't do stuff like this Tom Look at me. We don't Saying Rob you understand what I'm saying. I was very clear People like us we don't you're doing this as like a dance or maybe like, you know, different kind of gang signs you're throwing. Let me let me flip it on you.

Starting point is 01:03:28 Yeah, go for it. Here we go. Here we go. Well, I was, I was just at our friend Keith's house for Thanksgiving, right? One of his nephews, he's awesome. He's got the big caps, huge caps, yeah, the honest thing. You know, he's flying on his private jet to Aspen doing his things. Thanks, Keith. One of his nephews was there. Absolute stud and Keith went to Cornell major hospitality school. Do you know the hospitality industry? Thinking community. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. That's a big in the hospitality, but he also got accepted university of Florida.

Starting point is 01:03:54 University of Florida is run by now Ben Sass, who was a former senator, Nebraska, I believe. The point is this, he's actually deciding between not going to Cornell, um, which is number one for this particular field and going to Florida, even though it's, you know, Ben Sasse is very kind of spoke out about this. But the point is, I think where you're going is that people are now maybe not considering going to Penn, or they're going to go to rice. People are not considering not going to Cornell and they're considering going

Starting point is 01:04:18 to University of Florida. When you have kids, we all know that Dylan's going to get some sort of sports thing and, uh, and, uh, and Ticoico's gonna be directing movies and and and Santa's gonna be cheerleading and Brooklyn's gonna be cholo dance and you know what she's gonna lean like a cholo specific that's her favorite song right now. How are you gonna process what schools to send your kids to and what advice do you have for the people out there because if your kids get in a Harvard you gotta consider that no. No not for me. When I saw that day, I'm telling you,

Starting point is 01:04:45 I said it to the face of the doctor that was here, you know, John Abramson. We had a very good conversation with him. And he is a guy that sits on the, you know, one of the boards in Harvard. I said the day in Harvard, when I was at the OPM program, when I saw what they did when Hillary and Trump were campaigning, I was in Harvard that day.

Starting point is 01:05:00 I was in the school for three weeks for an executive education program. And I saw 100% of professors at Harvard were rooting for Hillary not one was rooting for Trump. I realized that school doesn't believe in debate No, they believe in Get locked into one side of the community and that's it they do not believe in debate And that's when I'm like now my kids they need to go to a place where it's going to go to college. I'm not going to go to college. I'm not going to go to

Starting point is 01:05:28 college. I'm not going to go to college. I'm not going to go to college. I'm not going to go to college. I'm not going to go to college. I'm not going to go to college. I'm not going to go to college. I'm not going to go to college. I'm not going to go to

Starting point is 01:05:44 college. I'm not going to go to try. We'll see what's going to happen with that. Dylan's saying that today. Tico wants to take a year off before he goes to college. I love him. He says, I want to work for doing certain things and then seeing if I even need to go to college, then I will. Smart. No, the kid is 11 years old. You know how much is going to change in the next seven years?

Starting point is 01:05:59 He's got an uncle like Tom Ellsworth. He's going to have these guys that are going to talk to him. For us, yes, we are very protective of no debate. We believe in debate. I'm not gonna send my kids to a place that there is zero debate taking place and it's all one sided. That's not that's not gonna be beneficial for them. So no, I wouldn't be doing it. I'm not turned on by Harvard what they're doing. I think it's a shit show there. I think they've lost credibility. I think it's absolute insult to debate and any university that you consider yourself university yet

Starting point is 01:06:28 You know the debate is taking place and our students are sitting there watching your only clap 300 people who are working that they're only clapping for Hillary not one person was voting for Routing for Trump. I don't need you to root for Trump But I need you to be 50 50 60 40 for us to... How do you change that at this point? You saw that they fired Claudine Gay, the president of school, they've done the same thing with Penn. She's still a producer. You got Bill Ackman out there, you know, putting his money against it. Does it come down to basically the big donors and the endowment? People being like, fuck you, I'm out. Now this isn't a light switch. Look, it's not a light switch,

Starting point is 01:07:03 you know, it's not a flip of a switch. It's not a vote. It's not anything like that. It is so ingrained and indoctrinated. I mean, you even see that there's some well intended efforts that are going on. You can go to pen forward.com. There's a lot of professors that are out there putting their name on a position and say the pen needs to get back to the following things, you know, you know, University neutrality, you know, fostering civil debate from both sides, tolerance, understanding that the price of free speech is free speech. That's the price of free speech is free speech is hearing something that you may not like. And there's laws against incenting riots and civil disobedience, but there is no law against free speech. But now is all

Starting point is 01:07:45 these mores and folk ways and things that people are trying to enforce on it. But Tom, you're gonna hurt people's feelings talking like that. That's the whole point. No, Tom, you can't hurt people's feelings. Liberalism is based on feelings. No. Chris, you got a family. How do you process this? So I was, I went to University of Toronto and I dropped out. Yes. So I'm not a huge advocate of the whole school system to begin with. I think it was like second or third year. I was building internet websites back in 2000, 2001, and I started making good money

Starting point is 01:08:21 doing that and saw no need for the school. I was always against it too. Like I never really kind of liked that way of learning. I was always more of a self-teacher kind of researching and doing things on my own. And the politics involved with it now has just gone to a point where I was annoyed at it back then. I can't even imagine right now. So not an advocate for it.

Starting point is 01:08:45 I think the real world teaches you bigger lessons and more lessons and you learn a lot more out there doing real things than going and sitting in front of a teacher that's gonna tell you what to think. At this point of your life, is there anything Harvard can do to get you to go back to college? I think like seeing Harvard on your resume is like, I does not do anything.

Starting point is 01:09:08 Yeah, I mean, look, it's interesting to say that because for the longest time, all we thought about was what? Harvard. Right? We listen, we got a couple of Harvard guys here. I was just gonna say, we got some friends at Harvard that work here. I'm serious, we got a couple of Harvard guys here.

Starting point is 01:09:20 I feel like it's not kind of like. Well, that's a bull ring in his nose. He has green hair and he's like, well, just different. Whatever, dude. No, no, but the point is, but the point is it's funny that today's leaders at Harvard have changed the reputation of what it maybe once was that I wouldn't know about. Because when I think about Harvard or some of these schools,

Starting point is 01:09:37 you think debate. I judge a great school based on debate. If you don't have the ability to reason in a school as a professor, you're not a college. It's lip service. You just get, this is why when we had the great Joe Jorgensen, legendary podcast. What you laughing about?

Starting point is 01:09:56 Oh, I'm sorry. It was the, my bad. Joe Jorgensen. Joe Jorgensen on. I mean, you only ruined her entire career on that day. That's not called me ruining it. Matter of fact, you know what? If you want to bring it up, Rob, go Jorgensen on I mean you only ruined her entire career on that day. That's not called me ruining Matter of fact, you know what if you want to bring it up, Rob Go ahead and bring it up

Starting point is 01:10:09 This is what college will do to you sometimes pull up YouTube and go tap in Jorgensen and happen bed David Have you ever seen this or no? Okay, I have to see it again now. I don't know why you guys brought it up. Why would Chris bring this up? I mean we've already over Chris brings it up right now. I'm not necessary Chris to do that. But go ahead and open this up. Go ahead and open this up, right? So there's Tony. Okay, no, that's Manalapan by the way. You can tell from the house that's beautiful Manalapan house. Okay, go back a little bit and watch the question being asked.

Starting point is 01:10:38 This is what happens. Go all the way to the beginning and press play and wrap. I give you permission to play this game. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I'll give you a pass, but make sure you get to do this. Here's who have you debated. Who's been your toughest debate ever? Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.

Starting point is 01:10:58 I mean. That's 10 seconds already. I didn't feel that any of my debates were tough. I've only... I... Yeah. Who killed it? That's our president right there.

Starting point is 01:11:13 In 1996, I was in the third party debate when I debated the Green Party, Constitution Party and those. In March before the nomination, I was also in the third party debate where I sat next to the Green Party nominee and a few other people. And then of course the debates within the Libertarian Party.

Starting point is 01:11:37 But when's the last time you had a really tough debate against a non-libertarian? When is the last time you had a- It was pretty easy, debating the Green Party candidate, that's for sure. Yeah, let me continue. When is the last time you had a debate with a non-libertarian or non-Green Party?

Starting point is 01:11:58 When is the last time you had a debate with somebody that was non-libertarian, non-Green? Well, an official debate, like I said, it would be in the nomination process. It's gonna go like this for a few minutes. Where are you going for with that right there just showing that she just doesn't debate. No, what I'm going with this is these liberal universities that don't have any debate they're no longer universities. All they are is somebody's coming up to give a speech and they go home that's it and these professors don't get

Starting point is 01:12:24 pushed because god forbid you push them they go home. That's it. And these professors don't get pushed because, God forbid, you push them. They go in an echo chamber and everybody agrees with everybody. Yesterday, I'm on a Twitter X, okay, and perfect transition into this. And this is minutes after Ron DeSantis steps down, suspends his campaign, and he endorses President Trump, okay? So I get a message from Mario Nafal, hey, would you be willing to do with Twitter Spaces Live right now?

Starting point is 01:12:48 I thought it was gonna be 10, 15 minutes, and hour later, I'm still on having a conversation with these guys, questions being asked, and everybody was pushing. What about this, and what about that, and what about, it's the debate, the scores, it's risk, because it's open, anybody can ask any questions, and it was phenomenal, because either I'm wrong or I'm right

Starting point is 01:13:05 But I'm gonna give you my views and you make a decision for what you want to do Can you play the clip of Ron DeSantis announcing that he is no longer gonna be campaigning and again? I'm not trying to be funny or disrespectful. I have not seen this man this happy in eight months Okay, and relieved go ahead and play this look at how happy it looks eight months, okay? And relieved. Go ahead and play this. Look how happy it looks. But I can't ask our supporters to volunteer their time and donate their resources if we don't have a clear path to victory. Accordingly, I am today suspending my campaign. I'm proud to have delivered on 100 percent of my promises, and I will not stop now. It's clear to me that a majority of Republican primary voters want to give Donald Trump another chance.

Starting point is 01:13:45 They watch his presidency get stymied by relentless resistance, and they see Democrats using lawfare this day to attack him. While I've had disagreements with Donald Trump, such as on the coronavirus pandemic and his elevation of Anthony Fauci, Trump is superior to the current incumbent Joe Biden. That is clear. I signed a pledge to support the Republican nominee and I will honor that pledge. He has my endorsement because we can't go back

Starting point is 01:14:11 to the old Republican guard. So we have a nice conversation, you know, I don't know if I agree with this. I don't know if I agree with that. This Tulsi thing, I don't like Trump. It was awesome. It was phenomenal. That's the beautiful thing about having people you can have a conversation they can agree

Starting point is 01:14:27 with. That is my number one reason why I don't support today's educational system. It's because there's no debate. Everybody has to, everybody who sits together and sits there and they agree and that's it. You know, we bring people here from the left, from the right. My favorite conversations sometimes are people I disagree with. Literally, my favorite conversation of all time are people I disagree with. I mean, look at him. He doesn't see the same as me.

Starting point is 01:14:46 He doesn't see, like, if you're just sitting there, everybody's kissing each other's butt and it's the echo chamber. Where are we, how are we moving forward? Nobody's bumping heads to figure it out because they're gonna think, the way that they're gonna think, you're gonna wait there. Let's go into this then.

Starting point is 01:14:58 So thoughts on the Santas stepping down, you know, and how he did it. And, you know, obviously a lot of people are saying, what could he have done differently and all this stuff? I'm not here to talk about that. We talked about that on the last podcast. Now that he stepped on endorsing Trump, doing what he's doing, what do you think he's going to be doing next himself? Run the Santas. Do you think he'll be out there? Well, we'll see him before November. Him and Trump on stage to get an actual like a Endorsement endorsement or he's saying this is the closest he's gonna get to Trump. I kept my commitment. I signed the pledge

Starting point is 01:15:31 I'm doing this and this is it It's a good question Will he get on the stage with Trump I Think so you think he will yeah, okay You're pretty optimistic that that's gonna happen Okay, yeah, okay. Go ahead. I was gonna say one thing about the Santa story You want to tell me want to go first? I'll give me give my thoughts real quick I'm 75% that he'll get on stage because he's got a lineup with it

Starting point is 01:15:58 He's got a lot of donors that are gonna say Ron come on come back Ron come on come back home And let's and let's do this. And I think there's 75% chance that he would be on stage doing a thumbs up on a line there at the convention standing behind the candidate. I look at this two ways, short term and long term. Short term, he made a decision to run to the right of Trump. You saw him when he'd go on that paperwork

Starting point is 01:16:22 and he said, this is how we're going to get beat him. We can't beat him from the left. Nikki Haley, on the other hand, has made a decision to run in a more moderate, corporate left of Trump. So we kind of busted her proverbial balls when we see. She said it's a two-man race at this point. That was after Iowa when she finished third.

Starting point is 01:16:38 Reality is it is a two-man race, because we said on the broadcast here Friday, I go Ron's got three more days until he drops out, or it's going to be 30 more days. Turns out, boom, he dropped out in two days. Breaking news on Sunday morning. So where do I mean by this? Nikki's still in it. I think she's going to be finished afternoon. Hampshire. It's going to be abundantly clear that by South Carolina comes back, which is in mid to late February the 20th, I believe if she doesn't win her home state, she's done. She's finished. But she might take some of Ron DeSantis vote. But what I think is good for DeSantis longterm in 2028,

Starting point is 01:17:09 once Trump finishes his presidency, if he is that guy this time, he can position himself right neck and neck with Rama Swami. Now we all know that we like Rama Swami a little bit better than Ron, but the numbers show a different thing. More people are willing to vote for Ron DeSantis at this point. But MAGA, the Republicans, the conservatives, the people who make up the base, they're officially done with Nikki. She's pandered the Democrats, she's pandered the Independents. We'll see how that works out in New Hampshire. But Nikki is done if it doesn't work out in 2024, which I don't think it will. But DeSantis is a chance of 2028. I think this reconfirmed my initial assessment, which was especially with how happy he was because at the beginning of this video

Starting point is 01:17:46 He was he was glowing with happiness because we fast forwarded that his wife I think his wife or somebody pretty sure it was her that was like you can do it You're gonna run Trump is gonna get arrested they're gonna indict him He's gonna be in jail. He's like and that was the that was the honey in his ear. That's your past I can't wait for Rhonda Sanders to pull a will Smith on you and say, keep my wife's name out your mouth. You're busy. You guess what?

Starting point is 01:18:10 I swing back though. But anyway, um, but look, look, hold up. Pat, could you show the look at, look how happy that little Gipper is. Look how happy he is. After you look how happy I would kick off those boots and just be like, listen, after you spend, after you spend spend $100 million on other people's money and you don't owe a penny back, you're just mouthed. I'm so happy you said that too.

Starting point is 01:18:29 If you think about this, we all knew everybody in this room, besides that witch hunt that they're doing. Trump was going to be the front runner, this polls everything. This guy spent over $160 million. How much has Nikki spent? 100? How much? Q4, she raised 24. I don't know how much total Nikki spent? 100? How much?

Starting point is 01:18:45 Q4, she raised 24, I don't know how much total she's raised. I heard 60 something to 100. That's $250 million of money. You already knew you weren't gonna win. I didn't think it'd have spent that money a lot better to do a lot better for the state, your state, homelessness, veterans.

Starting point is 01:19:02 That's money down the drain. There's no way you thought you were gonna beat this guy. Period. If you're shocked now, wait till the actual general election when they start spending hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions for potential losing campaigns. But what were you gonna say, Tom? You don't think that's...

Starting point is 01:19:16 No, because that's not the way politics works. You round up your donors and you take a shot. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, you take a shot. If you got together in the beginning, what would rational, let's just say rational thinkers that are purely logic, said to Barack Obama, you're running against, wait a minute, you're running against Hillary Clinton? Are you seriously gonna do this? Are you gonna waste my money? No, that's not the way it works. They come together and said, I believe I have a chance. I believe I can take a message to people. I'm going to do it. How much do you think is them coming to the candidate

Starting point is 01:19:47 versus the candidate going saying, I believe I have a chance? As soon as the candidate raises his hand, you have all those advisors. We've had people in this room that know that system very well. And they say there's a lot of high end, million dollar advisors and strategists that come in because there is an industry there where people make their

Starting point is 01:20:05 bones and make a living doing this. And I also think that the RNC and the DNC have shortlist and people want to come forward and they want to run the primary. I think it's a little of both. You know, I think there's emissaries. Hey, what would you think about running for Senate after a governorship? We're going to have an open seat here. There's a lot of strategy that's on that. A huge amount of strategy is on the seat base because of the votes in the Senate and in the in the in the people's house the house representatives a huge amount of strategy. This is Pat you're coming up at the end of your your governor's run here You're gonna have turn limits here in Oklahoma. Look, an open Senate seat we need a strong player in that what

Starting point is 01:20:49 do you say and that happens every day but on the for the presidency you know a lot of times people raise their hands and crowds of folks come to help them do that and and come to them. Would you thank you Chris? So, you know, I remember it was like a couple years ago. There was like a lot of momentum for Decentus. You probably all felt it, you heard it. And, you know, particularly you would see it on Twitter, on X. You would really feel like, you know, there was this momentum. But like owning Rumble and seeing all the creators on rumble,

Starting point is 01:21:25 there was the one thing that was like super consistent on rumble all the way through for the, you know, from 2020 till now is that there was just an immense amount of momentum for Trump and it never, ever stopped, Never. You'd go to Twitter and you'd kind of see a different perspective. But on Rumble, and I think this is kind of one of the things people underappreciate about Rumble is the influence that it has with the creators that are on there, that never changed.

Starting point is 01:21:58 Now like obviously there's a lot of creators on Rumble that were for the Santas, there's a lot of creators that are for Trump on rumble. It was a very diverse crowd, but the numbers, the large numbers, were watching the Trump stuff, and it never wavered. It's something that I found very unique. I remember telling people that there's, you know, I don't think based on what I can see on rumble, there's nothing slowing down on the Trump side ever. And I think that was like a very unique perspective because if you go on X, you would have saw something else. If you read the newspapers, you'd see something else, but there was a movement there that's never gone away. Not even close. Can I ask you a quick question on that? You see numbers. There's a lot of people that are out there that said

Starting point is 01:22:43 the moment that the indictments came down that there was a Spike for Trump because there is a core of the Republican voter block that was incensed I'm sure you've heard those stories too. Yeah, did you see it in the viewership stats? Okay, so you're obviously gonna get viewership on events, but like, you know truth truth, truth social uses Rumble's cloud as well. They use our Rumble ads as well. And, you know, the users never left. Whether you'd see a spike because of an event, it didn't move the dial in the overall scheme of things.

Starting point is 01:23:18 Like they never left and they've always been there since day one. I mean, look, let's talk the VP side. Okay, so yesterday while we're doing the conversation, you know, guys were asking who do you think could be the VP and the conversation came about Vivek versus what do you call it, Tulsi Gabbard and you know, who would be the better match

Starting point is 01:23:40 and who would be a better opportunity for this, et cetera. And I thought Tulsi would, you know, I gave my thoughts on Tulsi versus Vivek. And then all of a sudden Sebastian Gorka jumps on and says, you know, the vice president's already been chosen and we already know who it is. It's not who you guys saying it's not going to be Tulser. And he didn't have nice things to say about Tulsi. And, you know, the Trump announced that it's not going to be Vivek as VP There's a story in here

Starting point is 01:24:08 Vivek out of Trump's VP shortlist right Vivek Ramaswamy out of Trump's shortlist meaning It could be on the shortlist meaning he is on the list forgive me. I didn't say he's not on it so But then Sebastian said it's somebody that's been campaigning. This person's from New York. Tom, you remember the list? It's persons from New York. They're a politician. Great American, a patriot, X or a X politician for the moment.

Starting point is 01:24:38 Yeah. Right. And a great New Yorker, right. Great New Yorker. That's in Sebastian Gorka went down a list. This is not interpreting. This is what he was saying emphatically. And this guy says, well, you know, what about someone like Tulsi? I said he, and he was very clear about that. Right. He was very clear about that. And a MAGA supporter. And then I posted immediately afterwards, seeing Lee Zeldin, if you wanna go to Twitter Rob,

Starting point is 01:25:05 Lee Zeldin campaigning with Trump. I posted that video and I said, could Lee Zeldin be Trump's VP choice from New York? He's so happy. Been campaigning, formidable, very smart, and guess who retweets it? Sebastian Gorka retweets it. Where?

Starting point is 01:25:23 Right after the Twitter space, with over half a million people that were on the Twitter space, that listened the entire time we were on. If you go a little lower, look who comments right at the top. The answer, no. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Starting point is 01:25:35 Roger. Roger. No. You know, when you look at this, there's a couple things that come to my mind. Here's what it is. Who has more influence on the inside? Who is closer to the president? Is it Sebastian? Is it Roger? Is it somebody else? Or is it misdirection

Starting point is 01:25:53 for everybody in the world? For instance, when I would announce a speaker for the event, I would never tell anybody on the inside who the speaker was because most people cannot keep a speaker to an event. So one time I'm like, guys, this next person we're going to announce to this event, you guys are going to lose it. It's going to be amazing. This place is going to go nuts when you guys hear it and that, and one guy says, Pat, I think I know who it is because I know who would lose it. You had James Worthy, you had magic. I think it's Kobe. So at this point,

Starting point is 01:26:22 I'm like, look, listen, Kobe. Obviously, this is the late Kobe Bryant. I said, Kobe would never do an event. And if Kobe did, you know his schedule, how busy is this, how many different places he has to be? So that's a misdirection for the audience to be like, oh, it's for sure not Kobe. And then you automatically put that person out of the list.

Starting point is 01:26:43 And then three months later, he say, and our keynote speaker is Kobe Bryant. So could it be the fact that everybody is trying to, Mr. I love the look on your face right now, if we played poker, it was a very interesting look. Could it be the fact that there's a lot of, some people know, but they have to act like they don't know, some people don't know, but they have to act like they know

Starting point is 01:27:04 to be part of the cool crowd. No one knows who knows and they don't know. Some people don't know, but they have to act like they know to be part of the cool crowd. No one knows who knows and who doesn't know. No one knows who's trying to get cool points, and no one knows who's acting dumb. So how do you decipher between all this BS and the reality of it? It's just you have to play the odds and see if you're playing poker.

Starting point is 01:27:20 Does a guy have 2-10? Does he have a pocket ace? Is he running for flush? What is he doing? No one knows. But what do you think about the chances of Lee Zeldin as a VP candidate for Trump? Well, I don't know Lee that well.

Starting point is 01:27:34 And this isn't my forte of work. You're on all of these guys, Chris. All these guys know who you are. We have a top 50 list of power players we make this year. Not only were you on that list, but also Rumble was on that list, and Dan Bongino was on that list, I believe. So some of we put three of you on, I think it's two or three of you guys that was on that list. Do you think there's any chance of Zeldin being, being the VP? I think there could be a chance. I think that I'm not sure who it is and you know

Starting point is 01:28:08 I think there's a lot of good people out there that could be that pick but anybody you like who do you like? Who do I like? You know I've been asked that question a few times it's like it's that's a tough one like I don't know like you got to really know the person to want to get behind someone I don't really know like I for example I don't know Lee Zeldin I don't I don't know like you got to really know the person to want to get behind someone I don't really know like I had for example. I don't know Lee's Elden I don't I don't know a lot of these a lot of these people so Like you think Dave Rubin would make a good VP like is that you know Dave, right? Would you say Dave would you say Viva Frey?

Starting point is 01:28:39 You know who else would it be people that you know? I don't think I'm good a good person to make that choice or to even have a good opinion on it. It's a heck, I'm a Canadian. I can't even vote in the election. So, you know. Yeah, but you can give thoughts that you may have. Tom, what do you think about Lee Zeldin?

Starting point is 01:28:57 Do you think, do you, okay, maybe let me ask the question in this way. Okay, and this one's gonna be an interesting question to ask. So let's not start a fight, but it's probably gonna start a fight. Okay, you have multiple choice. Okay, to answer the question. Sequoziu take is not a big deal, but it's a multiple choice.

Starting point is 01:29:17 Adam, I want you to think about this one as well. Who, what are the chances of who the VP will be? Okay? Who, what are the chances of who the VP will be? Okay. Sebastian Gorka knows better on who the VP is. Roger Stone knows on who the VP is. They're both on the same team and they're trying to confuse everybody.

Starting point is 01:29:36 And last but not least, nobody knows. Multiple choice, A, B, C or D. Gorka, Stone, both of them know, no one knows. Last one. No one knows. You said which one? No one knows. I agree with D right now.

Starting point is 01:29:55 So where are you at, Tom? I'm on D. It's really tough, cause we know Roger and we know Gorka. He just gave a very good speech at Oxford by the way. I loved it, I fell in love with the speech, yeah. So which one do you good speech at Oxford by the power. I love that. I thought you're gonna speak Yeah, so what do you really think it is a DC or the Gorka stone? They both know nobody knows Don't don't let Chris and Adam change your I think they both know and they're not so see about it And by the way, they're both big-time political operatives

Starting point is 01:30:21 So if there was going to be a misdirection and they would be going to disagree with each other publicly, I think they I think that would be a pretty good misdirection. But I'll tell you, I think Sebastian Gorka would be really going out over his skis if he's going out in public and laying out those. I mean, he basically said Lee Zeldin without saying Lee Zeldin, he gave so many specific facts. But was he told to say that because we talked about this how many times to get the female vote that we were talking about in all those places. It only makes sense if he goes for just an average white guy, the left is which who gives your shit at this point, but they're going to lose their white guy.

Starting point is 01:31:01 So you're saying Mike Pence is an above average black guy. Well, the fly in his head was black. Well We're assuming that it's Lee Zeldin. It could be Rudy Giuliani guys. You said a former great New Yorker Look, I'm clear. It's not Julia. It's not anyway I don't think and by the way, he also said it's not Stefanik cuz somebody else he said a guy a man But he also said former she's current. She's a congresswoman But if you look at traditional politics, it makes zero sense to take a guy out of New York. The reason that he ran with Pence was to get the white Christian evangelical vote out of Indiana in the Midwest, because that

Starting point is 01:31:32 was a state that was that environment is looking to win. Here in New York is voting blue, regardless. Getting someone like Lee Zeldin on the ticket that has zero name recognition other than the people in New York makes actually virtually no sense. It's not going to basically, you know, get the base fired up. If Trump could run, he would run with Trump and Trump as the VP if he has a name. Like that's how like we putting his, his names on, on buildings, on casinos, just Trump, Trump 2024. We all know that. But I think the bigger picture here is whoever he chooses is going to have an automatic path to the White House for the next eight years.

Starting point is 01:32:09 So when I talk about, when we talk about like, he talks about loyalty, I need loyalty around the sanctimonious, not loyal. He's going to have to have someone that is undoubtedly loyal to the Trump brand and that is not going to pull on the last day of the 2028 of Mike Pence. He'd be like, Oh, well, I was just kidding. I'm actually not on team Trump. So I think he's got a very tough decision to make. Do you have a, I don't think it's these Eldon. I don't think that it makes any sense for it to leave these Eldon. I think that Vivaq Ramaswamy is who the people want. Give them what they want. Or I also think you get a pretty person like Kristi Noem in the mix that can give her that can give some I heard some there's no way

Starting point is 01:32:47 Christina I was at Trump International not to my own horn Tom but to you spoke with the not Bellman and Trump International I spoke with let's everybody I know I know I don't know not at all I do some secrets but I mean I talked to a lot of people there I don't know I wouldn't I wouldn't I don't know. No, not at all. I've got some secrets, but I mean, I talked to a lot of people there. I don't know. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I don't see it being Lee Zeldin, but I do think that Sebastian and Mark throwing a little loopy, real talk. Have you ever heard of Lee Zeldin's name before? I've seen his face in Congress, but never. But why he looked way too giddy. Well, he looked way governor against against against Kathy Hulke. We did all right in New York, right?

Starting point is 01:33:22 But he's the guy that lost, right? So, okay so since since our friend Chris here is not gonna say anything about politics Let's just do other topics. Let's go because it's either yes or no, I don't know I answered Here we go with a big tie a Paperview Super Bowl it may happen sooner than you think former ESPN president John Skipper suggested the idea of making the Super Bowl a pay-per-view event stating if half the households are willing to pay $20 to have a party at their house it will still get you into the billions of dollars for a single game the NFL's experiment would pay to watch playoff football on peacock it will still get you into the billions of dollars for a single game.

Starting point is 01:34:05 The NFL's experiment would pay to watch playoff football on Peacock resulted in over 23 million viewers becoming the most viewed watch live streaming event in US history and accounting for 30% of internet traffic that night. That is insane. Charging $99 per pay per99 per view or for the Super Bowl could potentially generate $6 billion in revenue for the NFL,

Starting point is 01:34:32 which is comparable to or even exceeds the annual revenue of other major sports, like NHL and Major League Baseball. Okay, Tom, do you think there's an argument here that the NFL may be doing a Super Bowl pay-per-view in the next three to five years? Not three years because I think the contracts are out there. However, I think Skipper knows what he's talking about. I've not met John. I knew other people at ESPN because I built NFL mobile back in 2007, eight and nine. And I would say in the next five years, is there a chance in five years it could be pay per view? I think that's very possible. We've

Starting point is 01:35:13 talked at length what's happening to cable viewership, we talked what's happening to traditional TV, we see what's happening with events that are going on alternative platforms. We see that Peacock put a single NFL playoff game out there basically causing it to be pay per view because everybody bought Peacock for a day, I did, and then canceled it, yes I did. And, and so now I'm on their list. So I think that those kind of things or tests,

Starting point is 01:35:42 that became a test for NBC. Hey, you know what? We put one NFL game out here. We got 10 bucks for how many people for a divisional walk for a wildcard game. I think in the next what happened in five years, no, well, we see an announcement within five years of that happening. I think absolutely. Do you think it's going to happen? Do you think the things going to happen? So is the number I saw was 23 million watched, right? The question, the number one question here is how many signed up for that event? How many mean, how many stayed on? Well first, how many new customers did they get? Rob, can you see if that says it? Is that out there? Yeah, I don't know if they

Starting point is 01:36:22 have reported that. Because that's going to inherit all the previous customers they already had. And the question is, how many people with their cable packages already had access to Peacock to begin with? So in order to properly look at it, I think. OK, so check this out. The game average 23 million viewers, according to Nielsen, not bad for a streaming service

Starting point is 01:36:42 with only 30 million subscribers. So they only have 30 million So what's their net new so their net new let's say maybe half that possibly That's still a big no no, it's a very big number and they're paying what I think it can go up to 110 million They say oh, yeah, yeah, it can go all the way up to let's look up peep peep cock Membership price what is peacocks membership price? I think they have a couple tiers, one with ads and one without ads. And how brilliant is it too, Chris? That's the chiefs.

Starting point is 01:37:09 It's Taylor Swift. It's what's his name. Those fans were definitely downloading or getting it just to watch her on the field. Yeah, you're going to get a whole new customer base because of this. So it's a very interesting test, but here's what's going on. The war for live sports has begun. NFL on YouTube, what did they commit? $12 billion over a certain amount of years? Even Rumble, for example, we went and bid on Slap.

Starting point is 01:37:36 We went and bid and got Nitro Rallycross and Street League skateboarding. The war for live sports is finally here. And it's now becoming know, it's becoming it's becoming a war against Cable television all these streaming platforms 8 don't be surprised seen Netflix jumping into this would you pay 110 million for an NFL game on rumble? Would that be a worthy number for you? We would have to metric it out and these are this is how we would do it

Starting point is 01:38:02 Just the way we're looking is like how many net new can you get and and What does that look like if it if they got 23 million new subs and they're paying an average of? $10 To on them now that's case. Yeah, that's that's worth it or you maybe if you do 23 million let's just say they got 25% new Five let's say six million you're paying six bucks on average That's 36 million, but if half of them stay on for six months, you're risking a little bit, but long term, it has to be either a minimum break even or a number of users that don't cancel and they keep it.

Starting point is 01:38:40 Well, let's put Crowder in perspective. Stephen Crowder's on Rumble, and he seven and a half million dollars in subscription revenues first five months. That's publicly available That's just one show what he does is does an hour live on rumble And then he takes the the final half hour live on locals The NFL can drive Certainly way more numbers than that and I think it's very possible, like with this model. The thing is when you have too many people buying too many different things,

Starting point is 01:39:08 it becomes so fragmented, you really, it gets a lot more difficult. But for the NFL, that's a real draw. That's a real pull. You know what's interesting is the NFL, excuse me, YouTube didn't just buy the NFL. They bought what was left a Sunday ticket. And now it's Sunday ticket on YouTube TV.

Starting point is 01:39:26 And you have to remember what happened. Sunday ticket was the original. Rob, Ronopole, I don't wanna know. Rob, Ronopole, would you pay $99 to watch Super Bowl on pay-per-view? I already did. What's the number right now? Right now, 93% said no.

Starting point is 01:39:41 I don't know if I believe it. I went for it. By the way, you know, out of the 93%, the question would be how many of you guys go to a friend's house who did order it? I mean, that's the, go ahead. So the case study that people look to is how DirectTV was made by NFL Sunday ticket. That was the only place you could get it, $269 a year. I remember this by heart and you got everything. And then the NFL did its own channel. And then the NFL did Thursday night. And then the NFL did Sunday night on national broadcasts in BC. And what happened is there was a dilutive effect on Sunday

Starting point is 01:40:17 ticket and at the same time there was a cable and satellite roll off because infrastructure providers and so Direct TV started sagging and said, sorry, I'm out. I can't renew this. And now you're seeing the fragmentation of it. And MLB did it last year. They pulled, you're paying for MLB. I paid for the full MLB TV package. And all of a sudden, there's games

Starting point is 01:40:39 that have been pulled out, premiere matchups during the week that are now on Sunday night and on ESPNPN or in a regional where you couldn't get it You're like wait a minute. What just happened here? And so Chris is right the war has just started and guess what the players in the war do not care that Well people probably will be upset because they already are buying three or four services. No, they don't care That's not their concern. Their concern is monetizing the live sports event. Live sports has advertising that pencils out because you don't, you don't, we used to say, you know, TVO or DVR, but you don't fast forward through ads on live sports. You're watching live sports. You watch the ads. So the advertising take and the advertising yield on live sports is perfect.

Starting point is 01:41:27 And so they're interested in monetizing and I think you're going to see it. And I think you're already starting to see little islands in the stream form as that, what do they say? Finding little rocks in the stream that they're going to be stepping on to walk all the way across the river. I agree with Chris. I think the war for live sports is completely on and then at the forefront of the entire war is the NFL. I think at this point we were completely comfortable with calling the NFL complete greedy corporate capitalist and I don't mean that as a bad way.

Starting point is 01:41:56 I think they're just trying to make that money. We saw them increase the NFL season from 16 games to 17 games a season. How much money does that make more for, for the league? We're starting to see these games pop up on Amazon or on Peacock. Like they're going to go after the money and they'll probably make a move towards this Super Bowl thing or whatever. They don't mind getting convincing people to start spending more money. What I do think that they should be very weary of is getting back into the social justice movement, which worked very not well for them

Starting point is 01:42:27 during the Colin Kaepernick days. So what we're starting to see now is you see it, all the NFL games is end racism. Cool, all right, I agree. But now you're here for the Super Bowl this upcoming year, which is in what, two, three weeks away? Now they're gonna have the Black National Anthem sung before the National Anthem. So that just starts a whole slippery slope. Like don't abandon

Starting point is 01:42:49 your base, which are just Americans, you know, because the natural argument would be, alright, you got the black national anthem, then you know what, you're gonna have the Mexican national anthem after that. And you're gonna have the Muslim national anthem, which is like, there should be one anthem in the United States. And I think that when you know, the Whitney Houston, the Whitney Houston moment in 1991, that Super Bowl song, that Super Bowl ever, she sang the F 16 like one national anthem. She's saying the star spangled banner was the most intense people are crying where it war desert storm. Like that's what America is. So to see the NFL, we all know that they're going to go take the money. It's all good.

Starting point is 01:43:28 But to go the woke route and have to do that, the black national anthem, just one national anthem. Why do you have a problem with that? America? Why do you have a problem with them playing in black? Because some people may say, what's wrong with them playing a black national anthem before the national anthem? This has nothing to do with black, yellow, green, purple, anything it has to do with

Starting point is 01:43:43 America. I don't know what the black national anthem is. I don't want to know what to do with America. I don't know what the black national anthem is. I don't want to know what it is. I don't want to know what the Catholic national anthem is. I don't know what the Asian national anthem is. I don't need the Jewish. I don't need the Muslim. Nothing.

Starting point is 01:43:54 I need one anthem. It's the anthem of our country. American national anthem. Star Spangled Banner. Period. End of story. Stop with all the kneeling and all that kind of stuff. Nobody wants it.

Starting point is 01:44:04 I agree in the fact that I mean, he's right. It's like one more thing to make people separated, make people talk crap. When you write something like end racism, do you understand how much of an unachievable goal, that's such a stupid end racism? That's impossible. You can't go to miss zip and you think,

Starting point is 01:44:21 you're not gonna, it's like pure racism. You're not gonna do it, it's making people, know what you'd say it should say stop talking about racism That's leave it like let's just move on bro if you keep shoving it in people's faces That's gonna piss people off and make them more angry. You know, like what's the argument for not playing the black national anthem Adam gave his do you have a different one? No, it's it's I have nothing different. It's a country This is our country the country as a national anthem. Do you have a different one? No, it's it's I have nothing different. It's a country. This is our country. The country is a national anthem. Thank you very much. There are no other countries that are represented here today.

Starting point is 01:44:54 We all come from somewhere and we become American citizens in the American experiment. The national anthem is of the country. That's what we're singing here today. Thank you very much. It's the place in Canada. Did they do anything other than the Canadian national anthem? Do they do like the so the first the first people you'll do hockey will do both. Yeah, what are they doing in Canadian and typically in hockey games? No, I'm not talking about singing like sometimes in basketball or in Canada and hockey, they'll play the Canadian national anthem, but it's one song, right? Canadian national anthem will do the United States

Starting point is 01:45:24 national anthem. But in Canada, do they ever play Trudeau in as far as taking the word, I think, sun or something out of their national anthem? So people or them? Yeah, they are. I don't know. It's so crazy. But like, you know, you live in it. You live in the country of the sport. You play that country's anthem. I'm a huge advocate of just like, you know, we're building a video platform. This is a video business. Nothing else should get involved in that. If you want to do something that you want to advocate for, go do it on your personal

Starting point is 01:45:56 time. And there's nothing wrong with that. All right, so this transitions me into the, I'm not transitioning for this. You're not going to, I'm trying to just clarify. Okay, let's just clarify. Nikki Haley claims she was a victim of racism, teased every day for being brown. That's gotta be tough. So let's kind of go through this.

Starting point is 01:46:15 Where did the brown go? She's white. She looks really white. Vinny, you gotta respect the story. Just please like, I'm sorry. A little bit compassion for people's challenges in their life. So let me read this. tight for me all right here we

Starting point is 01:46:27 go Republican presidential candidate Hayley claims she was a victim of racism in her early childhood during a recent interview Hayley was born in the US to two Sikh parents from India thus Hayley claimed while speaking with NBC Sunday caused her to have a difficult upbringing while growing up in South Carolina we were only Indian we were the only Indian family in our small Southern town. The Republicans said I was teased every day for being brown. So anyone that wants to question it can go back and look at what I've said on how hard it is

Starting point is 01:46:56 to grow up in the deep South as a brown girl. During the interview, Haley also noted her hesitancy to name slavery as a cause of the Civil War, while on the campaign trail, the response she said was due to her belief in such information is automatic. If I didn't mention slavery on that day, it's because that's an automatic. She said the Civil War has always been known about slavery. So watch this, Nikki, this is why I have a problem with your approach and why so many people we talk to in the street, regular people, not only just like you, I'm just talking regular people who will look at you and

Starting point is 01:47:32 the way you're packaging your candidacy versus Vivek. Vivek never uses color as a feel sorry for me, never. You use it to get sympathy, okay? Vivek, the people who are voting for, he's also Indian, okay? He's not sitting there saying, I was teased for being brown, okay? There is no feeling you get from Vivek for being a victim. I post a video the other day, and by the way, we did this video while I was on Palm Beach. If I show, I want you to see this here, Adam, because most people think I post a video the other day. And by the way, we did this video while I was on Palm Beach. If I look, if I show, I want you to see this here, Adam, because most people

Starting point is 01:48:07 think I made this video because of Vivek. It just kind of timed perfectly. I'm going to show you when I posted this video, Adam, and I want you to tell me the date. Okay. When is the date for this video? Okay. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Here's the date. What's the date? January what? It says January 15th at 4.57 p.m. Can you pull up one? The Babylon B story came up about Vivek in 7-11. Okay. And it's just so accidental that the timing of it was perfect. What's the date? Is it that one? Go to Babylon B website. Okay. What's the date on that? 16th. That's the next day. The next day. So they were inspired by you.

Starting point is 01:48:45 I mean, I get this video and I put it on Twitter, not thinking about it about anything about it, but watch what Vivek does. Go to Vivek's Twitter account. Vivek says, thank you for coming and don't forget to grab a slurpee. He's got a sense of humor. One side, if I would have done this with Nikki Haley,

Starting point is 01:49:00 she says, this is why racism makes me. Racism. What does Vivek says? Please grab a slurpee on the way out. Nikki, America lovesVAC for this reason and America's sick of the bullshit that you're doing to say here Feel sorry for me because I was brown as a kid Cry me a flippin river for taking that approach America's fed up with these types of comments. Okay, you made it to the top Instead the message could be, look, you know, everybody has their

Starting point is 01:49:28 own set of challenges of coming to the top. We all have ours. You have, you've had yours. But look, what racism? Look at me now. We've had a black president. We've had all these people that are winning at the highest level. Why are we making this a big deal today?

Starting point is 01:49:41 Rather you use it as a method of trying to divide and need some sympathy votes or people to feel sorry for. Again, it's not attractive from a leader standpoint. It's not attractive. And by the way, somebody said something yesterday was so interesting. They said, Tulsi Gabbard is everything Nikki Haley wished she could have been. Wow. Okay.

Starting point is 01:50:03 Wished she could have been and she's not. Versus Nikki Haley is closer to Hillary Clinton than Natalya Gabber. People want somebody that's real that's talking to you. She does not give me that. The more she talks, the more feeling I get that her and Hillary are related. One hundred. By the way, can you go back to that video? You know my grandmother once told me before she passed away, never trust anybody that has leather shoulder pads.

Starting point is 01:50:28 Look at what the hell, whoever picked that up. That's what grandma told you. My grandmother said, never trust. That's wise by the way. Pat, look at what the collar. Never question a certain wisdom. Thank you. There it is right there.

Starting point is 01:50:41 By the way, you gotta give credit to Vivec Ramoswami because he never uses the raised cards. He never uses it as an excuse. His whole argument is against wokeness and DEI and ESG. So it's an antithetical to what he stands for, what he was tweeting about the slurpee that people thought that he was going to be upset. He leaned into the joke. That's amazing. You saw that what he did the other day, you know, UPS did a big tweet and he retweeted what could Brown do for you like Vivek don't play when it comes to jokes and raise. He enjoys it. It's just unattractive. It's just nothing about by the

Starting point is 01:51:17 way, it's like the whole Josie Smollet. If you want attention, juicy, small, juicy, small. Yeah, my bad. But it's like like she knows she's drowning so what what's the what card you play and you racist feel bad for me as if that's gonna get you vote she's dead in the water tom be honest for you a man that's open-minded do you sympathize with the level of racism that she experienced as a child for being brown no No, I think Elizabeth Warren has been completely exposed for the things that oh wait a minute we're talking about somebody else. Oh, Nikki Haley. Well, Nikki Haley has once again has played the Elizabeth Warren card trying to use color, race, or association to create affinity, but it's affinity not with achievement and

Starting point is 01:52:09 anything to be proud of, it's affinity with victimhood. And I think the whole victimhood thing is disgusting to people. I think that's what makes Vivek attractive to people in his message. He says, so you know what? He's not a victim. He's just getting up there and he's doing his thing, speaking it, and he is who he is. Who do you think's decision that was to do that? Because I mean she has a team, right? Is that her decision to bring that up? Or somebody goes, you know what, go for the brown racer? It's her strategies and handlers that are telling her, don't bring up sleep. Guys. That's what they didn't want her to say. I'm gonna tell you this. Right. I'm gonna tell you this. It's 100% her decision. What are you talking about?

Starting point is 01:52:49 It's your decision. Everybody can give me feedback, whatever they want to give me. I made the decision. I'm a shot caller. You're a shot caller. That's your decision. We can easily, and by the way, even when you say like, you know, when I give the story about Romney on the flight with Bill O'Reilly,

Starting point is 01:53:06 I'm going to Vegas, somehow some of us were sitting right next to each other. I'm like, hey, what happened? Why did Romney lose? I thought he was going to win. And he says, he listened to his campaign strategies that said, don't be mean on the last one because you beat him up so hard. Obama with Benghazi on the last one. You're losing single female voters to talk about salads. I'm not saying salad. you're getting someone I'm saying. So, okay, you're in a room. Your campaign strategist comes up to you, says, Vinnie, on this next campaign, wear shorts and a tank top. Show your tattoos in the debate,

Starting point is 01:53:39 because if you do, you're gonna get the single female vote and middle America's gonna like you. How short of the short? Now, if you- You do it. If you sit there and you say, what a freaking great idea, you deserve everything you get, okay?

Starting point is 01:53:54 Everything you get. You're gonna be very famous to show up there on stage and do your thing, but you know, that's the part where you gotta make a decision and say, look, this is my brand. You know what my brand is? Black shirt, nice little cross that I just bought. Sick with my Menec money.

Starting point is 01:54:10 I got nice watch, I'm wearing my nice, and I'm coming up and let me tell you. Sock that you put in your pants just to kinda look a little bit old-year. Why do people love you? Because you're Vincent O'Shaughna, you're authentic. That's true. The more, I'm being very sincere with you.

Starting point is 01:54:22 You're loved the way you are because you're straight up and you're sincere and authentic. And some of these politicians just don't even know how to do that. It's let me go give a speech here to one of these guys or I'll flip again, come and give the speech here to one of these guys or I'll go over there and give this guy. You know, say what you want about the Santas.

Starting point is 01:54:38 Whether you like him or don't like him politically, he is who he is. I, you know, I asked him a question about his boots. I was hoping he would do something so people would laugh and he would laugh at himself. Kind of like a self deprecation. Well, guess what? He doesn't know how to do that.

Starting point is 01:54:51 He just doesn't have that. Vivek has it. Trump has it. Clinton has it. Some people have it. Even George Bush has it. Remember he went on and oops, all these other things. I'm not talking Governor Perry, but even George Bush,

Starting point is 01:55:03 he know how to laugh at himself. It's a very interesting thing to have. America likes that. He doesn't know how to do that But at least he stayed very consistent. He shared his values and America said no man, you're not number one Maybe you'll have a different job, but Haley is well I think part of the reason that you're upset by this one I probably a lot of Republicans are set by this is because Typically identity politics and race politics is owned and operated by the left and the Democrats. What are you doing?

Starting point is 01:55:28 So, you know, that's how we have a vice president named Kamala Harris because they weren't looking on meritocracy, they weren't looking on policy, they weren't even looking at personality, quite frankly. They were looking to check a box for the VP and boom. You know what would make sense though? You know what would make sense though? Yeah. Here's what would make sense. Okay

Starting point is 01:55:46 Tom Chris odds of this odds of this, okay You know how when's the last time a candidate from the right? Left the party Who's the last person that left the party? What do you mean the candidate on the right? Somebody from the right that left the party. You know, RFP just left the left and when it became a what? He became, he became an independent, right?

Starting point is 01:56:11 Tulsi left the left and she went and became an independent, right? But when's the last time somebody on the right left? Not to go to the left. Sometimes- No, go to the center, yeah. Republicans leave to go to independent status. Right. Right. Guess what, Nikki Haley? Maybe that's a good strategy for you.

Starting point is 01:56:31 Exactly. Go, go be that. Go be a, you know, center-left person. And use your skin color, racism, and female, and women, and all this stuff. Maybe that audience will like you. And by the way, in New Hampshire, you know how many Democrats they were talking about wanting to vote just so Trump loses

Starting point is 01:56:48 in New Hampshire? She's getting Democratic votes. Maybe she'll get some votes on the other side. So what if she left the party and went and became a Democrat or center left? That would be interesting. Joe Lieberman. Well, this goes to my, this goes to my initial point where I think in 2024, this might help her a little bit. But when she loses to Trump this is going to backfire tremendously in 2028. So she's going to get a little bump in New Hampshire. She might compete in South Carolina, not really. But when all is said and done in 30 days when she drops out

Starting point is 01:57:14 of the race, MAGA on the right wing won't will not forget who she is. Sure. Her career will officially be finished. But Ron DeSantis, because he ran to the right of Trump will still have a chance of 2028. Well, Nikki just says I'm I'm over on the Democrat now, and then she runs I don't think I think I would corporate bureaucrat. I don't think she's a Democrat. I think she's taking the money She's playing the identity politics which by the way, okay right there. She's taking the money. Of course. She is so watch this Why does he like Dave Port noise deal? Why is Chris happy about Dave Portnoy's deal? Because when somebody takes equity, what are they saying? I really believe in long-term on what's gonna happen But there are some people right now that are calling me and I'm talking to them and they're saying hey man

Starting point is 01:57:57 I want to sell my podcast for this this this and that I said you want me to get you by I'll introduce you to Chris. I'll introduce you to this guy talk to them them, see what they want, okay, if you're looking for a check. These people get a lot of eyeballs, right? There are guys in the political side that just wanna check. There are guys that want a partnership. There are guys that want equity. Dave wants a partnership. That's what Dave's got with the announcement

Starting point is 01:58:21 that you made today, right? But I think Nikki Haley, obviously, going and sitting on the Boeing board, that's money. You didn't go to Boeing because you're like, oh my God, I just love the planes you guys make. You guys change people's lives with these doors opening on the plane in Miami on fire. Isn't that great? It's like better than fireworks. I love you guys. You guys are awesome. Can you play the video of the Miami plane? Going just on fire flying the lady is screaming saying what the hell is going on?

Starting point is 01:58:55 So guess what Democrats if Adam says she's a what did you call her? She's a corporate corporate Stooge, or I don't know what I call her. That's the by the way That's the plane and I want this lady to say her thing and I'll give my sincere Bowling in Miami in Miami. Listen to this lady. Oh You don't have the lady what she says because she's awesome. That's all my luck. That'd be the flight that I'm on. I'm just telling you right now.

Starting point is 01:59:12 Yeah. Look at that. It's on fire. Oh my god. Sorry. Imagine you're on the flight. It's on fire. And they have to turn around and come back.

Starting point is 01:59:23 By the way, there's a reason why people are afraid of heights because they were on a flight like this for the rest of their life. They're miserable. Let me finish this up. So maybe this is even a message to Nikki Haley. Maybe it's for Democrats that listen to the podcast, many do. Maybe this is an opportunity for you, you know what I'm saying? Like go, this is an opportunity to get somebody to go on the left. You know how big of an announcement that would be for the left if they announced? Nikki Haley, who was the person that almost beat Trump, she finally saw the BS in Trump. She is now a Democrat.

Starting point is 01:59:56 Wow, the trade. It would be a brilliant strategy for the left to consider. I think big time. And then guess what? She then wants Michelle Obama goes, Hey, I'm running. Maybe have her start a podcast on rumble. She's a rumble and call it we trade it the trade. But boy, you showed that video trade, right? Yeah, the Miami.

Starting point is 02:00:15 I just don't know why the first that jumped in my head Adam was a fight attending going Jesus Christ. Just don't look up. The fight attendant on that airplane. They must have been going crazy The whole engine was it was a cargo plane, so I don't believe Boring that there was my joke great. It's just a metaphor ruining everything That's just a metaphor for the last week of her campaign

Starting point is 02:00:36 That's what whether it's a whether it's a cargo plane or not. It's a Boeing plane. No, yeah, Rob Is that a plane it was it was a boy? Yeah, Boeing 747 8 cargo boys not doing well and then the ESG and the doors they're killing it just announced after last week they're like moving forward we're gonna have convertible planes without our swimming pool nice just go take a bath in the back and the flight is on everybody's got slick back here forget about both talks you're going like this. And frostbite. Anyways folks this is a joke don't go share the story with

Starting point is 02:01:21 others boing is introducing convertible planes that wouldn't work Anyways, we got a lot of other stories to cover we'll do one home team together as well This has been a glass Chris you the man happy for you. Congrats big deal phenomenal story to go from where you're at to where you are now and You know dropping out and you know doing what you're doing with websites and then all of a sudden you build this thing and turns into 60 million people visiting the site getting millions of eyeballs some of the biggest brands choosing to join you with rumble very excited for you the part for me that I'm most excited for rumble I said this I think I said this a year and a half ago when when the whole Spotify thing that happened yep not even a year and a half ago, when the whole Spotify thing that happened,

Starting point is 02:02:05 not even a year and a half ago. I said this two years ago, and we sat down at the house we were talking later than that after we had dinner at Casa de Angelo. I said, this is why I trust capitalism, and I love capitalism, because when YouTube was doing what it was doing, censoring videos, then what happened?

Starting point is 02:02:23 A guy like Chris said, look, that's not cool. We're going to make it work. Trust me, guys. Running a business, it is 100 times harder than you even know it. A lot of people say, oh, look at this rich guy, got $400 million. Do you know how many sleepless nights this guy's had to probably get the business to where it's at today? That's why I respect them because it's hard to be an operator. It is harder than you even think it is. It's very, very hard to be an operator, never to give up. And all these people creating content

Starting point is 02:02:51 because somebody was stubborn enough to not take all the pushing, the bullying behind closers and he stood, he stood calm. He believed in his stuff, family was backing him up. And then you build something like this. But I love capitalism, I trust capitalism. Capitalism makes guys like you come out and say, no, that's not cool. I have an idea. I think we can do better like this. Capitalism says, you know what,

Starting point is 02:03:10 I'm worth $300 billion. I can date anybody out there in the world and I probably have and I got some money. It's around $300 billion, not that much. But you know what? Not as if my life isn't crazy enough right now. I'm gonna buy this company called Twitter and I'm gonna pay $30 billion more than what it's really worth because I believe freedom of speech is that important, right? Then Daniel Eck, when they try to trash what he called it, Rogan. He said, no, no, no. No, listen, I'm over here in my country.

Starting point is 02:03:37 Don't bother us. You Americans trying to turn everybody into this and this and that. We like what Rogan's doing. We're sticking with them. Rumble. Rumble, Spotify, Twitter, X now. Many of these guys, due to capitalism competing, forced their competitors to sit there and say, maybe we are not making the best decisions right now. Maybe we ought to take a different kind of a route.

Starting point is 02:04:00 And I applaud you. I respect you for doing that. Again, Rob, if you want to go back to Minette, for some of you guys that watched this and you want to give this man a shout out or ask him a question, how do you go through the tough times to get to where you are today?

Starting point is 02:04:10 Just make sure don't ask him political questions because he's going to say yes or no. Let's skip political questions. You can Menec with them. That's his QR code at the bottom, but definitely do give him a shout out for him being on the podcast here today. Take care everybody.

Starting point is 02:04:22 Tomorrow morning, we are back on, I think, home team tomorrow. We got 40 stories we haven't gone through. Take care everybody, tomorrow morning we are back on I think home team tomorrow. We got 40 stories we haven't gone through that we will get through tomorrow morning. Take care everybody, bye bye, bye bye.

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