PBD Podcast - Brendan Schaub | PBD Podcast | EP 112

Episode Date: January 4, 2022

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Adam Sosnick, Gerard Michaels, and special guest Brendan Schaub to talk about topics such as what makes a good fighter, should steroids be legal in professional sports, what's next for Brenden Schaub, and more! Subscribe to the PBD Podcast YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGX7nGXpz-CmO_Arg-cgJ7A --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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OK, go. Sammy, the bull comes to my hotel without a gun. And that's a different story. Yeah, I'll talk to you again. Short. Yeah. Well, first of all, folks, we have Brandon Shop today. UFC, I want you to come bro from freaking ultimate fighter coming in.

Your fight against Krokop, who Krokop back in the days was like God to a bunch of people. Him and Fater, like that's the era we watch right those two guys. You win against Krokop. Krokop, yeah. So, and then comedy and then Rogan, and then you guys got your own show with you and, Theo and Brian Calon, yeah. Brian Calon, which Brian Calon, funny story.

One time I go to show a Cavalier and Burbank. So it's me and Jen, this is 2010. We go to Cavalier. I turn around and I'm like, I recognize this case face. I said, brother, why do you look so familiar? Say, well, you know, he's personality, like all over the place. He's freaking all, or everybody loves this guy, right?

I said, you, you have to, you have to go back. You have to go back. You're the man every movie. You got to remember. Yeah, but from the hangover, you don't remember Ivy, what? Yeah, I think it's absolutely.

Extremely charismatic, charming guy, non-stop energy, but anyways, it's great to have you here. I'm glad we got a chance to get together. Yeah, big fan, man. Yeah, appreciate you. So you were saying Sammy, right? You were talking about the... Yeah, I had a question for you guys, because again, Brian's a big fan,

all that mafia stuff. He won't shut up about it. And he's talking about how tough they are. And I propose the question, are they actually tough? Like tough, like, I guess what's your definition of tough? Well tough is if you do a street fight one on one, I mean it's not even a, that's not the world. So you're not dealing with that kind of tough.

The tough of their world is the amount of influence they have and who they had in their pockets and how much business they control. But you're talking power, right? That's power, so very different. Of course it is. It's very different. You know, if you want to go into a... They're tough to go against. Yeah, like the unions.

But I'm gonna tell you this. So Sammy's sitting here, Adam's sitting here. Okay. The entire time, Adam, he's six-one, Adam's an athlete. Adam was a... He called me Scanny, but what? No, he's six-four, but... I think we need to define the term athlete as well. You guys are very loose with these. By the way, the description's athlete tough. The guy, the guy. The guy that's actually could be an athlete these two guys play.

So him, he's the best, they call him the best Jewish athlete out of Miami. I don't know what that means, but that's basically it. Like the tallest midget on Miami. So that's kind of what they think of this guy. It's like, you know, the guy that's a the best Jewish athlete out of Miami. I don't know what that means, but that's like me like the tallest midget. He's like winning gold and special. That's me right here. Pretty used to. So so we go to dinner with Sammy and then we do podcasts and Adam decides to ask a question from Sammy. What

you say? So you've been around the block for a while. Yeah. Let's use your knowledge of history to our advantage. He goes, whoa, you fucking call me old. Yeah. You know, let's use your knowledge of history to our advantage, you're like, whoa, you fucking call me. Old A, what are you like? But how old is he? He's 70. He's 70. How are you doing that?

Yeah, he's 70. I'm like, good, I'm asking you a blow. Yeah, exactly. I'm not what I will tell you. So having interviewed a lot of them, there was one guy, Frank Kalada. I don't know if you've seen him with the casino. If you've seen him with the casino.

He's franking. Yeah, he wasn't. So Frank Kalada is, do you know in the scene casino where they go and he puts a guy's head on a vice? He's on pop. He's like, that's the name. That's who you're saving. Yeah. That Frank Kalada, I interviewed, when he walked into the room,

it's cold as ice. You felt his spirit, capable, capable capable not like this but capable like this capable in many different ways. But here's the thing. Makes you a sociopath. Well, let me ask you know, that's like saying like our wide receivers tough because they're not going to beat up a offensive lineman.

And you know, this high is word was yeah, but I'm just saying there's there's different spots on the team. Everybody has a role to play. But there's some receivers that put it on you man. Then there's no matter what. So let me ask you play it in the NFL. Yeah, you again, we're loose with the turn. That's one be very clear.

I had a cappuccino with the Buffalo Bills. And then they're like, well, we're all set on slow white. How good was that? How good was a cappuccino? Not good. Very sour and short. So question, question, if you measure toughness, you're talking sports here.

If you measure toughness, what sport would you say produces the toughest guys? This is for sports not even a question. Four sports go NFL NHL NBA go from the toughest to the Jeff NBA's least least yeah They're divas. Yeah, they're because they're they're pedigree like when they're like 13 You know they're getting like those and shit. Yeah, they those and shit. They're not tough. Yeah, got it. NFL and a pretty tough NFL. It's pretty tough ahead of NHL.

Here's why NHL doesn't count. They're all like guys. OK. It's like, like we told me to be missing teeth. I mean, I know, but they're on ice and they're in Canada. That's all there's to do. And also, it's not a world wide sport. You're allowed to have a boxing match. Oh, no, noL's not a worldwide sport, but the NFL and the NBA are.

No, well, NBA is for sure. And half the people in the NHL got nothing but confidence in their name. They all come from Nordic. Sweetie. They come from sweetie. And we have shows that you're about to get a lot of hate their brand. Oh, no, I don't want that. The NH, the NH, the point is they're all white, you know what I'm saying?

Boy, what do you mean by that? What do you mean when you say they're all white? It's tough because if you look at basketball like it's a global sport, soccer's a global sport, fighting's a global sport, so you're getting the best of the very best. And NHL, as soon as black guys are like, what the, is this a pair of skates? They're fucked. All those European and white guys are fucked. I can't, I'm breaking news.

That's not happening anytime soon. Well never say never Okay, we'll see. We'll see how they're kept. Oh, you're saying there could be a major surge of a if they want Hey, you're going to hockey. Yeah, you know those black guys skate now there, you know, there's Coming for your job now start driver. The Rangers got Kianjury Miller and Ryan Reeves, man. There we go There you go. We're on on the way to the cup Obviously Ranger. That logic the Rangers already have one is already out. We've left one sport out. We've left one sport out. So it's in HL at the top.

We put NFL at the top. No, I'll agree. And in HL, they're pretty fucking top. The Mount of Strain. And then also, they're schedule. The work schedules are beast. Okay. So you put NHL NFL.

So now the debate between MLB and NBA. So who is it? MLB. MLB is dead. MLB is dead. MLB is dead. MLB is dead. MLB is dead. MLB. MLB. MLB. MLB. So you had a good story. You told yesterday about one time when you hit this bomb, you hit this homework in the minor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a brawl. It was a

bra. I guess I'm the only guy that ever got a nine game suspension for a home run. The thinning counter hit a home run. It's a long, long story. Did you start, Brad? Isn't it like frowned upon like flip the bad? That's what he did. It's called entertainment. He take it. Yeah. Well, this is the thing. It was, it was Cubscaught day at the stadium. So the, the commissioner was pretty pissed off that we started a 45 minute brawl at, no, with nothing but 5,000 Cubs that's it. That makes sense. And in the, in the stand. So yeah, basically what happened was

there was an old pitching him, Dwan Braselton. He was a first traffic. Yeah, it was a first round. Drapings from Florida, tough dude. And, you know, he got a little chatty with me. I got a little chatty back at him. He threw a fastball. Well, fast enough. I enjoyed it in a little bit too long, I guess. And his catcher decided to punch me in the face

when I came across him on play. And then the bench is cleared. Benches cleared. I was about to get absolute, I was about to get absolutely destroyed. The entire dugout for them comes out ready to come and get me as I'm tussling on the ground with their catcher. I'm literally at this point. I've got

them in a hole and I'm thinking like, oh shit. And then Antonio Alfonsoca, Google does do this. Is this all like Dominican? Do he was an all star in the big leagues? He's down here with us. He's like six eight four hundred pounds. He's got six fingers on both hands, six toes, El Pufo Ray, and out of nowhere, this, this angel, this giant Dominican 400 pound angel come swooping in and tackles their entire team before they get to me. Man, I saved your life. I owe everything I have to this day.

How'd you run? Were you this way? No, I was beautiful. I was, I was. I was. I was, that'd be the biggest baseball player. I was 200s. No, I was a guard.

225 pounds of beautiful football. Did you play football too or no? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I played football so well. They let me play baseball. Makes sense. Brenner, when you played your cappuccino at the bills, what position were you?

Tight end. OK. You had some wheels. Oh, yeah. You had some hands? Yeah, I played initially Colorado before that. And then you were Buffalo. Yep.

And you're from Colorado, right? You grew up in Colorado. Yep, Denver. Who were you in high school? What do you were Buffalo yep and you're from Colorado right? You grew up in Colorado. Yep. Denver. Who were you in high school? What do you mean? Who were you in high school? If you weren't high school, you're 16, 17 years old. Who were you in high school? I was I think I was six two hundred and seventy pounds So I was like a late bloomer and then I was friends with you know, there's jock So I I've obviously played football so I was a jock play football in the cross I was friends with everybody. I was the guy head All the friends football in the cross. So you were tough with no hand-eye coordination. I don't know

Division one no Minor league fight star a minor league fight star. Sorry. Hey, Colorado. That's the one with the female car. Oh, no, no, it's playing top 10. You don't want to play this game with them. So, who was there when you were?

Was it Jeremy Bloom there? Jeremy Bloom. Yeah, Jeremy Bloom. My guy. Lawrence Vickers, Joe Clatz. Joe Clatz, the voice of Fox now for a college football. This is post-Cordell. This is the Cordell.

This is the Cordell. That's the story of this. That's 94. Rashan Salamad. Yeah. Cordel Stewart. What a name. Slash. Yep.

So I've been to a ball. I lived in Denver. I actually used to just stand up at the comedy works. Oh, yeah. You were just there. It's sick. Great place. And the one thing that I remember, being in a Colorado Buffalo

game, it was third down. It would be a key play. Yep. You would take out your keys. The whole fucking stadium is just doing the little key jingle. Did you catch the ball on third down and third and 16? Did you catch it? Sometimes.

Yeah, when I was there, we were good. Gary Barnett days, yeah, we were good. Who was the coach? Gary Barnett, Kim from Northwestern. It used to be a great program. I don't know what happened to the program. Yeah, great program. Yeah, Dicey.

But bro, living in all the... What causes those programs to change? You get a program that is at the head coach. The head coach takes all his cheating doosters with him. Head coach and recruiting. So Gary Barnett got in trouble. My senior year, he got fired after that. Because that was the Katie and I to the female kicker time out.

There, there's some issue with her and, you know, sexual allegations with the players. So he got fired over that, which is insane. Yeah. And then they went the complete opposite way. So he got fired over that, which is insane. And then they went the complete opposite way. And then they hired this guy, Hawkins, who is from Boyd's State. Soft.

Soyboy. So he gets there. And he recruits like all these small white guys with good grades. And he just, you know, that's how you build a program. That's what the SEC does. And they've never come back from that. Just to be clear, Brandon.

What is this, Soyboy? Soyboy. I've never heard this term. just to be clear Brandon. What is a soy boy? Soy boy, I never heard this turn By the way, his nickname is soy boy That's what everybody calls the soy boy mafia in the car. Oh, wow easy with your words here, bro Yeah, what is it in your opinion? Ops of Sam Samy the ball That made sense the fact that you get sat across from that. Not a killer. Not a killer.

The only thing heterosexual about Adam is that he likes women. That's the... That's true. You're not gay. You're not gay, but your boyfriend. Yeah, there you go. Go back to it though. Go back to it though, because what program has stayed relevant for a long time?

Fricking Alabama. No, Alabama was bad back in the day. Before Nick Sabin they were bad. But they were bad at like eight million times. Oh, Ohio State. No, Alabama. That's not in the day. You can't accept it. They were bad. But they were bad at like eight million times. Oh, Ohio State. No, no, no, no, no. I'm asking, I'm asking 40 years. Is there like a legacy type of a common thing?

Notre Dame's UC State competitive. Notre Dame before everything had to hold. Michigan, Michigan, Ohio State have been relevant for all of this. But Notre Dame to me is like one of those schools like it's famous for being famous. They've never won any. Which one? Notre Dame.

What if they won? They won nothing. They won back in the day, but yeah, they were famous. They've never won any, which one? Notre Dame. What if they won? They won nothing. They won back in the day, but yeah, they were famous. They haven't done anything since the last time. Yeah, like, you know, what are you talking about? Notre Dame? They're famous for being famous. What have they done in 30 years?

In 30 years, yeah. We're doing, in 30 years. They're famous for Rudy. They're always good though, but then they don't have a home, right, like, is their independence. So they're never in a conference, so they'll have championship games. But then they're always on TV. Those get prime time games. Exactly. Yeah. I wonder because college, you know, your guys are changing every four

years. So you may build a legacy with a pop of it. And we got a Tim Duncan and Parker for like 15 years. And you can win back to back to back college. You got to like, so does it really come down to the coach? I think comes down to the boosters. The coach has come through down to recruiting recruiting. Recruiting down to the boosters. The coach has come down to recruiting. Recruiting, recruiting. But to your point, you mentioned basketball. Basketball is even tougher because those boys can play one year and go to the NFL. That's right, NBA.

So it's impossible for your basketball coach. So then does it come down to coaching? Like you think about Kentucky, you know, Kentucky's got Calapari? Calapari, because it's come down to, Calapari and I were sitting, I'm talking to you. I'm like, so how do you recruit? What is the recruiting stuff did he say money? I mean that's a different guy I sat on with you as he's my Garrett who was their athletic director

Yeah, and I'm sitting as like 15 years ago. I said so Mike. I'm trying to sell him a policy And I was introduced to my one of the guys anyway, so I'm like so Mike how you doing? He says let me tell you how I'm doing He opens the door you see that kid right there? How tall is he? As he's pretty tall, I sat next to him. He's seven feet tall. And he's 16 years old. And everybody in America wants him here.

Now, watch who's sitting next to him. Those are the next two. So, is he who's sitting next to him? That's his mom. You know what she's here? She wants me to give her a million bucks. Now, what do I do? How do I do? what do I do?

I do. So coach, Calisand. No, no, this is Garrett. Garrett was a Heisman trophy winner for USC years ago, years ago, who becomes the athletic director for USC. This is the Carol era. This is the Reggie Bush era. This is that era. Yeah, that's a good idea. That's the best era. Yeah, before NILIS, this is why I'm saying boosters. Like you can't, John Calapari can't go to that dude's mother and give him a million dollars. But John Calapari go to a friend of the program, Patrick

Beddaven, and be like, you know what? A booster. Yeah, you know what? His mom's an accountant, great accountant. You need a accountant, don't you, Patrick? You've got a job open for $2 million, don't you, Patrick? And there's nothing wrong with you. You can hire whoever you want to hire and as long as

that player goes to big state you that mom gets that two million it's the movie blue chips blue chance brand brand and going back to you so you know you you watch the video when I don't know if you've seen the video where where Dueling Johnson's sitting down I think what's WM or whoever he's sitting down with and he says you know I want to be the, will Smith accept bigger? Right. Here's what I want to be. And he gives us message. He gives us talk that I want to be this guy. I think it's even a message he's given to the Lakers one time in the locker room.

It's a real good video to watch. And then you watch, you know, his playbook, maybe he came and he took the hall, Kogan route, you know, how Kogan was before before the rock. It was like hall, Kogan was before, before the Rock, it was like Hulk Hogan, right? It was the guy. And then, you know, he kind of takes that angle, the rock becomes where he becomes. And after his first fight, he says,

I'm not gonna play the bad guy. I'm always gonna be the good guy. I don't wanna play the villain. He never wanted to play the villain, right? And he takes that route. What route are you taking? Because I feel like there's a couple routes. One route is you come in,

so you're an athlete, obviously you're an athlete. I mean, you're a qualified athlete. This is not no minor leagues or you know, you're talking about your qualified athlete. You had your capuchino, nobody here had capuchino with the Buffalo Bills. At least you made it to that level, right? And then you go UFC.

So is there a route there where you were thinking about? You seem like a smart guy. You're not a guy that's like doing it just to wing it. No. What was your what route are you taking? God, that's a good question. Um, I don't know if it's a route. Like none of it's pre-plan, but I think grown up and I deal what I wanted to do. And then I was gifted athletically and the neighborhood I grew up in in Aurora, Colorado

was predominantly black. So the way to be like to fit in was to be good at sports. I was like, all right, well, this can get me through, so I don't get bullied and stuff. So I gravitated towards sports because that was just a talent for it. So that's how I made friends do sports, stuff like that.

But my passion was, like, I'd watch Saturday Live with my mom, so I wanted to be like Adam Sandler. But there was, but in Denver, and like, there was no, like, outlet for that. So I was like, I guess, I do like, I don't know, I was like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like,

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I just get at it. I fucking hated it. What'd you hate about it? It was just so stressful. I don't like to hurt people. Like my coaches and training like, man, you got to go hard on me. I don't want to hurt them, man.

And they're like, you got to go hard on me. It's just, it's not my nature. I'm not an aggressive person. I'm not a violent person. To me, it's like- I do get into the fighting. It's a sport. I got cut from the bills.

And then I was this big athletic dude. And I always liked the UFC. I was selling supplements door to door. And I need to stay in shape. So I started to do jiu-jitsu. And I sat up the first day and I like, man, you're pretty good. I was like, really? Like, yeah.

We have a big guy. Because you need to go with another big guy. He'll be here tomorrow. He drives down from Greeley, which is like two hours away. He goes, he comes every Tuesday, Thursday. He'll be good for you to train with. And he needs a big guy train.'ll be here tomorrow. He drives down from Greeley, which is like two hours away. He goes, he comes every Tuesday, Thursday, he'll be good for you to train with. He needs a big guy train.

He's just starting out, too, like right, whatever. So I get there the next day at our early and in-walk Shane Carwin. And if you know Shane Carwin, he's the UFC heavyweight champ. Of course, we started together. Well, I'm not Tyler. We started together.

So what year is this? Oh. 2007. That's something a lot of people don't know. You just gave great insight into martial arts world. When you're a bigger dude and you're fighting, there's such a dearth of talent that anybody that's in the heavyweight or light heavyweight that you come up with,

it's hard to spar with these dudes and come up with them because you're not gonna end up fighting them eventually. Is this the guy right here? Certified badass, huh? Yeah, UFC heavyweight champion like when the heart of the hitters of all time. But then, you know the guy right here. Yeah, it's not certified badass, huh? Yeah, you see heavyweight champion like when the hardest hitters of all time, but then you know, he was older He was like 36 and I was young and so I don't have money I was broke, but he paid for all my training just so I've trained with him and then now when you train it with him Is he peaking or is he a little bit past peak? He's peaking. He is peaking

36 okay, I got my ass whipped. So you're a perfect teacher for you though Yeah, so I learned so much from him. So then he got into the UFC and then I was training and again, I was still in Saltman's door door and I'm making a lot of money, living with my brother. And then he goes, hey, Golden Gloves is next week with a big box in term. And I was like, kind of boxing, not really. Like I do it to stay in shape. And he's like, I signed you up for it.

I'm like, what? He's like, I signed you up, you're doing it. And I'm corny. I'm like, dude, I don't want to do golden gloves. He's like, just do what's the idea you do. So I go there. I remember telling my dad, because I, you know, I have a double major.

He's like, dude, you should degree. My dad's a business man. He's like, you should fucking degree. Yeah. I was like, man, I'm gonna try this fighting. I don't want to get kicked in the head for the third time. Yeah. And then he was completely against.

I said, all right, dad, they signed me up for Golden Gloves. It's the biggest national box in term. If I win that, I want you to give me your blessing to continue fighting. If I lose, I'll do what everyone. I'll work for you. You're talking to pop. Talking pop.

Okay, I got it. So he comes to this Golden Gloves term in Denver, Colorado. And it's like pretty hoodie, man. I'm the only white kid. It's all Mexican black kids. And they're like, you're in the audience, and your coaches wrapping your hands. I'm like, what the fuck?

And then they give you your gloves, and it's from the previous fight, so they're bloody and sweaty. Not from anyone who knows me. I'm like a germaphobe. I was like, what the fuck? I might, but. And then so, it was a nightmare.

Nightmare. And then, oh, and then in boxing, traditional boxing, amateur boxing, can't have a beard. So they made me shave, have this mustache, or one of the things I'm this big Mexican. So I go up there and you know, I had six fights. I went all the fights by knockout. Really?

Yeah, so you came in there and dominated. With head gear. Wow. One day, six fights, one day. Three, three the first night, three the next night. Back to that. And then when I get to the championship fight, they wrap my hands and I was fighting a guy who was 46 and 0 in the army.

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they signed me up for MMA fight, and then I won that in 36 seconds, and then I had one more fight, one that in a minute, and then I was training with like GSP, Rashad Evans, Shane Carwin, all these guys, and Rashad goes, hey, you know the next ultimate fighters, heavyweight, okay, cool. And you should do it. And I don't know. Okay, cool.

And he was, you should do it. And I go, I don't know if that's for me, because I still wasn't sure what I was going to do. And then I get a call from them. And they're like, hey, we'd love for you to come to the interviews. So I skipped all the trials, everything, because Rashad was like, this is the guy. So I go to the interviews. And I've always had like, gift of the gab, like, talk shit. So I get in there and just blow the interview away and like yeah, you're in who's the interview?

Who's interview? The interview is the Dana the UFC and then all at the time is on spikes So what are they asking? Just like how do you feel about this? Well, what if this guy does and then I because I was I'm a smaller heavyweight Yeah, and they go you could when I remember I walked in they go you're too small you do small no We're good. We're in there fucking they go what how different are you size wise in today? I'm 250 now. It's probably two 35 you're too small. You're too small. No, we're good. In their fucking thing. How different are your size, boys, and today? I'm 250 now. It's probably 2.35.

Okay. 15 pound. Not a big difference. Not crazy, but there I go. You're too small. And you're what? Six, four, and I'm sorry. Yeah, they go, you're too small.

We're good. But they're fucking. And they see what I do. I go, too small. I was like, I bet you I fucking win this thing. And I sit down. And then I just started, you know, giving them shit. And then I was in the house.

And then I remember all these like war stories from guys I was in the house, and then I remember all these war stories from guys, like how tough it is and how terrible it is. And to me, I was like, hold on, it's six weeks, you give me any food that I want that I want to order, any drink I want, I just can't talk to my family or friends. I was like, this is, this is, this is like, well, you want to talk it, in fact, you're not talking to family or friends.

No, yeah. But in fairness, you're not cutting, wait. Yeah, no communication without door outside world, no magazines, no TV, you're not talked to family and friends. No, yeah, you're not cutting weight. No, yeah, no, no communication without door outside world, no magazines, no TV. You were 16 other dudes in a house. The only time you leave the house is to train. So they want animosity. And then they give you all the lick you want all the lick. So they're not you're drunk and there's lippy. Great strategy. Yeah, but turn the air conditioning off. It's the thermostat. It's like the real world makes with actual real fighters.

And so my season, which was the biggest season of all time, not because of me, because Kimbo Slice was on there, Roy Nelson. But I was in the house. So for me, it was like, be going through football, right? Like I walked down to you, say, call her out, earn her scholarship. Like to me, the grind, I always embrace that.

So I was like, oh, I'm gonna be so much more mentally tough than these guys. So we in the hot tub, I'm going to be so much more mentally tough than these guys. So we're in the hot tub. I'm going to forget this first night when the hot tub and this big, black, dynamic Rogers. Everyone's scared of this guy. And I remember we were like sipping a beer, something like that. He was. I didn't drink it all in the house at all this six weeks. No, I'm consciously or you just don't like I found a sign of weakness. So I'd pick up on things and look for weeks smart. So he was in the hot to me, and he goes, man, I just won win one,

and then the least get to the finale. If you just win one, and when I heard him say, if I just win one, I went, I'm picking him. So that next morning I go to our head coach, we're shot Evans. I said, I want to fight Domingo Rodgers first. He goes, dude, that's the number one. That's a terrible idea.

I go, I'm fucking telling you, dude. Give me him. Because he was mentally weak. Yeah, it's not even running out. Yeah, thought he wanted that. Did those counters pro-fights when you do that? No. Which isn't saying.

So you don't get paid for that? You get paid, but it's just whatever the OCEE paid you. No, sure. It's not like sanctioned by the commission, even though the commission's there, but because it's two rounds, it doesn't get classified as a pro-fight, but everybody's a pro in there.

And the reason they do that, because they don't want the results getting out to the public before the show airs. Crazy destiny shit, man. You just want to stay in shape so you thought murder hugging would be a fun or hobby to get into. So you picked that guy.

Pick that guy, beat him, and then it was off to the races. And then they give me the worst match up possible. This is John Madison, who's a four-time All-American wrestler, a national champion, undefeated guy, and the first round, he's just whooping my ass. Mop in the floor, and I'm like, there's no way I go out like that. I remember him on top of me,

held me down, I'm like, there's no way I go out like this, man. And then the second round came, and I saw him getting tired, I'm like, yes. And then he was standing, I just feel right hand. Boom, knocked him out. Got him. Made it to the semi-final against Marcus Jones, who was a former first round draft pick in the NFL,

played for Tampa Bay for a number of years, monster. And worst case scenario, like, do not let him get on top of you. We don't care what happens, don't let him get on top of you. And within 30 seconds, he's on top of me, gets full amount, he's raining elbows down on me, somehow he get out of it, and then we're in the clinch, and he's way bigger than me. And he takes my head and just knees me right in the nose.

And it's the first time I've ever broke my nose. I just remember my nose is all the way over here. And then again, there's something in me going, there's no way we go out like this man. And then just the right hand, boom, knock him out. And I'm doing snow angels inside the middle. Bro, I have a question. I have a question for you Brendan. And then I remember I grabbed Dana because I was so excited I'm picking up and he goes,

bro your nose. I go, what's wrong with you? I feel your nose and I go to feel I'm like, whatever fuck and it's touching your ear. So I just remember, bro your nose. You kind of like a lot of these stories are surprising right? Like because you kind of like a lot of these stories are surprising right? Like because you you kind of led with you know slow athletic white guy capuchino This is foe you know what's your Meaning like you're knocking these dudes out you're winning the Golden Club thing and your dad surprised like Were you just faster stronger mentally tougher? What was your what but again? I think I think because of my perspective, our definition of athletic is completely different.

There's levels to the game. There's levels to the game. It's like, you know, I had a rich friend growing up. Compared to the rich friend, I have, like I fucking dirt, but like there's levels to everything. There's no question. So I think like I'm not Kane Velasquez. So to me, like now that I'm older and I have success in comedy and podcasting, I can look back at it and go, damn, at least going to Sean, that feels pretty good, man.

Getting to the U of C being ranked in the top 10 in the world, pretty good dude. But at the time is a failure. I felt like a loser, man. Let me ask you, it took years to get over that. But stay there for some time. Usually I wouldn't even talk about fighting. I usually, this is recent for me. Like probably in the last year, I wouldn't even talk about fighting. This is recent for me.

Like probably in the last year I've started talking more about fighting. Usually I don't talk about fighting. Why is that? It's emotional or is it like that? I don't know. I don't know. But because I want to be taking so serious as a comic, my manager would be like no fighting questions.

Let me ask you. Did you get into fighting? I know you say you just get to stay in shape. Because I was I was joking with that. My story is eerily similar to yours. You're just way better at it at every step of the level. I was like I'm fucking great value-burning job. This sucks, dude. But the you're not gone. I'm Walmart. You're shmending the smell over here. But the so I got into MMA after baseball didn't work out because I had nothing. I had a good, all I, the whole time I was playing ball, all I wanted to do was make money.

I was like, dude, I fell out of love with the game and I'm like, if I just made money, I'd be the happiest guy in the world. My girl left me not making any money, trying to the course of the world. My father's saying the same thing. I get a contract to go play in Korea and I'm like, this is my big break, dad.

I'm going to Korea, gonna play ball for 60 grand. Like Tom Salik and Mr. B. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. And my dad broke it down. You're going to the mustache? And now my big break, Dad. I'm going to Korea, I'm going to play ball for 60 grand. Tom Sallik and Mr. B. Yeah, no, no, no. And my dad broke it down. You're down the most now? My dad broke it down. He was like, I just want you to understand,

your 25, your big break is to make 60 grand in the third world country. And you're still doing this. I got damn it, Dad. Fuck. All right, so I'm out. And now, you know, two years later, I'm doing pharmaceutical sales, like every other job out.

Making more money, I ever thought I'd make in my life. I suicidal. I hated everything about my life. God, and the J doing pharmaceutical sales, like every other job out. Making more money I ever thought I'd make in my life, suicidal. I hated everything about my life. Guys, the Jiu-Jitsu, all this other stuff was good at it, started fighting. But at the whole time I was doing that, all I was doing was chasing the failure.

That's what I was doing was chasing that failure. Yeah, to stick with you. And I'm wondering, with you, with football and everything like that, you put everything in your life. You could have quit at any point, you kept rising to the challenge, rising and challenge. At that point, I still haven't reached the mountain top. I got to find a new mountain.

I got to prove to myself, I can't. Yeah, I know it's a mountain top, but I think a lot of things, like, and obviously you've accomplished this. It's like a lot of people, if they get labeled as a fighter, a football player, like that sticks with them. That stuff, I never care about the labels. Like, I never, no, I never viewed myself as just a football player, just a fighter, just a comic ever.

And then I've also never, ever in my life don't have anything for money. Nothing, stand up, podcasting, nothing's ever for money. If it's good and the content's out there, hopefully the money comes, if not, I love doing it. You're good with it. Good with it. Got it. Like my shows in Florida, they could, I should be paying them. I don't care. I mean, I'm glad that they paid me. Don't tell the bookers that. That's not much fun doing. You have a not much fun doing. Yeah, I'm talking about. I want to go back. I want to go back. I want to go back. So, Quash,

I got two boys. I'm asking a for a different reason. I'm not nine and eight. So I want to go back to how long did you train to box? What's the total timeline from the day you started training to you winning those three fights two days in a row? Six and a half. Three months. Okay, so here's my question for you. Were you a street fighter?

Were you? My brother was. So, so he was. This is your brother. Yes, my older brother. He's my manager too. So you were a tour manager. So you were the fighter, you fought. Yeah, he had the anger issues

So he's your older brother. Yeah, Kikon. He was a kid. Oh, dude. I was my record against him. Like one and 70,000 Flexing right Where you got him I was like eight years How old were you when you got him? I was like eight years 10. I beat his ass. No, man. But every other time he was taking that ass that. But bad, bad, bad, bad.

Yeah, we had to go to anger management and shit. Yeah, he has an issue. But what I'm asking is like, he's better now. He's better now. Well, he's like very likeable. The kids in Aurora, did they fear him? Like, yes. They fear him, but I'm asking.

They feared him, but not me. Now you, you were the fun guy, let's hang y'all. Let's party with him, but man, I don't want to mess with him. Correct. Like, if you mess with me, I mess with my butt. But this is kind of where I want to go. This is where I want to go. I'm scared him, but not me. You were the fun guy. Let's hang out. Let's party with him. But man, I don't want to mess with him. You mess with me. I mess with my butt. But this is kind of where I want to go.

This is where I want to go. I'm looking at the model right on how this thing works. So I know guys that trained boxing for six years and they're still not Golden Gloves. You go, you're an athlete. You come and you start boxing three months later. Boom. You're winning six and only. You win a big fight.

Hey, Golden Gloves champion, how you making a next rod and you, your pop sees you, not gonna have the guy that there's no way this is gonna be taking place. How much of this is pure athleticism? How much of it is purely genetics? How much of it is a guy can come off the street as a football player, you know, who's a full on athlete, get in the ring and fight, because we're seeing

what's going on today. A lot of these guys that are, it's not working out. It's not working out. So that's what I'm trying to say. So where was it where you had the edge over your opponent, even though you've only trained boxing for three months, you're not like a street fight? No, yeah. I think the mentality, I just to me, I like, I just don't always outworked everybody. Oh, he's even in three months, but three months is not a long time. It's not a long time, but I was around, like greatness at a great coach.

And then I think, you know, athletic abilities are big, see? And then toughness is a really, really big thing, especially at the golden gloves level. Like toughness is huge. That's why you're asking those questions about how tough them are for you guys. So your success with toughness, little.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm just curious. Like, do we think they're tough like like that was the the ice man killer Like the moon killed all those guys skiing Yeah, like you're talking about a serial killer Yeah, I'm fucking serial killers and we idolize them like these guys aren't shit man Yeah, you can put that gun down and take off your fucking Armani suit. I got some friends of beat the shit out of you That's like the the Friday the the pops like, you think you're tough with the gun?

This is what makes you a man. But this is, he said it perfectly before, man. The levels. So like, there's guys that have been wrestling their whole life. And they're really, really, really good sick technical wrestlers. And there's tough as nails. And they lead face first and everything.

But they're not strong. And they're not big. And they're not fast. So somebody who's big, strong, fast learns a little bit of technique. There's nothing that I can do to them. That's great. So they always talk about like, you know,

technique will be, you know, sizing that lettuism, yeah, until sizing that lettuism learns a little bit of technique. But then you get to a certain level, a level you got to where then you got the athlete who has the technique. But even that caught it with me. Like I felt like I was a cheat code in a video game

because I excelled so fast through the rankings. Like knocked out Krokop, who has a million years of experience, former World Champion. I knocked him out, I'm ranked in the top 10. And they're like, here's no Gera in Brazil, which I asked for. Here's Big Nog in Brazil. I'm like, I'm gonna smoke this old man.

You're thinking that. I was like, yeah, I was like, I'm gonna destroy this dude in his hometown in Brazil. And then, you know, I end up getting knocked on that fight, but because I was, it was, I was able to destroy this dude in his hometown in Brazil. And then I ended up getting knocked down that fight, but because I was, it was a cheat code man, because I was really athletic, really, really big, but eventually I'm gonna come across where experience is king.

Because no, because no, Gera has seen the big athletic young kid with a good right hand who's very athletic and fast. So when I remember stealing all these faints at him, he's not reacting, like, what the fuck is going on here? He's seen it a million times, like he was an impressed. So eventually, if you don't have that experience and the UFC's not a league where you want to try and gain

expansion, you get cut. So what are you things going to happen with this model that's taking place right now where Jake Paul is going through all these fights, you know, whether it's Robinson and then Ascreen and you got Woodley, do you think this ends anytime soon? It ends when, see, he's a little different because I'm impressed with their friends,

I'll be honest before I'm biased, but I'm impressed with him because who's your favorite boxer? You like Mike Tyson? Who you like? Roy Jones, Canelo? Wait, all good fighters. Maybe Hagler, some shit, whoever you like, look at their first four fights. They fought your UPS, they were fighting fucking cans.

Jake Paul, even though the Nate Robinson's a throwaway, but Ben Askran, Woodley twice, for his first four fights is insane. And for him to put them away like that, and I know people want to hate them. But there's a lane for that. And it's very impressive what he's done and the amount of money and amount of tension that he's doing. Because remember Logan Paul and Jake Paul, they could air fucking on YouTube live and make millions. But they chose

the hardest route in the game and you got to respect that. Brandon, I saw Robbie Lawler beat men ascreen to death and him not getting knocked out. You tell me that. Brandon, I saw Robbie Lawler beat Ben Askrynt to death and him not getting knocked out. You tell me that Ben Askrynt's a different role. You're one of the guys that thinks it's staged. And then, do you've been in sports? That's what I'm saying. No, I know Ben very well and I have my show right before. And he goes, I go, he goes, I'm in LA, man, let me, because I do a show called Food Drug Diaries. And he goes, let me come on the show and I'm like, yeah, no doubt. I mean, we're doing LA because I'm trading with Freddie Roach. I go, dude, that's perfect. He gets ready for Jake.

This is great. And then I find out he didn't train. He just wanted the money. Well, he looked out of shape. He didn't train. So what he did is he went to Freddie, got the pictures for the Graham. So everyone thinks he's trained.

He didn't put in the time. He was like, I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna get the payday. How does he make money right now, though? Ben, he's really, really big in crypto. And then he has a huge wrestling. Huge wrestling. Academy type of deal. Okay, got it. That's from Adolf. he's very he's really really big in crypto and then he has a huge wrestling huge wrestling academy tap me okay. Got it that's my no got it Ben one of smartest people you're very sharp sharp did but

that's a great can't be can't be that witty and talking not be smart witty guys are in he would all he was always very quick then I give it to you Ben. It's a very cerebral smart sarcastic poke in kissing you off you know he had a very... For him, he barely trained intake his serenity. And he was like, I don't think he can fight. And he said this, I'm not sure he goes. If he can box him a little bit, I'm fucked. I'll get knocked down the first round. He goes, but I don't think he can, but if he can, I'm fucked.

He said that. So you didn't want to... So you're talking, it's 100 for the record, for the thousands of people listening, it's 100% legit these fights. One lot, dude. And I, Willie's a really good friend, dude. I'm telling you, Willie's such a, he has so much pride.

If you went, hey dude, I think he made five million. What's it, you know, it's not life changing. He made five million. Hey, you're, we're going to knock you flat on your face. You're going to be a fucking meme for the rest of your life. But I'm wearing a V5 million. That's, that's why I'm doing that. And, and remember, Willie's a bonafide first ballot. All of famed. He's not doing that. I'm telling you he's a bonafide first ballot, fall of famer?

He's not doing that. I'm telling you, dude. That shot was fucking cool. Yeah, you know, the clip that everyone showed where he's going like this, you saw that sign. It's like, and then right afterwards, so he drops it. People look for anything, man.

We use not sign up for that. There's guys from the other side that say, it's common sense. You don't drop the, why are you dropping a left? Like, you've been taught to some million times. He's exhausted. Yeah, and he even said it. He says, I made him off. I can't he even said it. He says I made the last

can't believe I dropped it and the fights don't even wrong the fight sucks. Showtime's a hate that said the fight sucked. But also like you have some experience in fighting right. My worst fight when I fought Andre Losski and Vancouver, we are training partners. We know each other so well. So those guys fought before. So you're everything has a tank. You know what he's really good at. He knows what you're good at. So it makes for a shitty fight. I hated that. I hated that remit. So you think Jake can control his destiny

To a certain extent. I think you could do like a Tommy Fury again and destroy him. Oh, you think he'll take down Tommy Fury That's that's his easiest fight that he's gonna have what the Tommy's not she's no no you ever seen his record His first fight funny guy who's ready one in 126 I'm not making a stop look it up bring up wikipedia. That's Joe glass from His first six fights. It's like one in 26 own 28 One in nine like you see pretty can you don't think he's good at all. No, he's in get destroyed He's just like a pretty boy. That's it. That's a great fight for Jake. Yeah, Jake's gonna beat the shit out of him Okay, so who does he lose to?

It's gonna get dicey when he fights like innate Diaz and the Mazzvedals and the Conor McGregor's. Like the guys who actually like stand up to their forte, it's gonna get his way bigger than them, bro. Those guys are 5, 8, 160. You saw what Jit 6 too. You saw what Canelo said. Canelo's like, why don't you come, let's spar.

He said, you come, let's spar. You know, cause he's like why don't you come let's bar he says you come let's bar you know because he's calling him out you know where he's at my thing with that too it's like do he has four fights canelo I mean you know he's beginning all this attention with all these boxers hate because they you know they can't sell fucking you know trade got to respect Jake for what he's doing man got to respect the start getting all the eyeballs but he's gonna run you know it's it but it's still brilliant because he's like oh I want to get to 10 and oh and then he's you know he's gonna retire move on to MMA but for him who retire and move on to MMA. But for him, who's going to move on to MMA? Jake, well, they were the jit wrestlers.

They're not going to break it. Jake's going to move on to MMA. Yeah, we say he's going to do one fight in MMA. But he wants to be 10 and O and box and what he's talking about playing in the NFL. Yeah. Well, but 10 and O's give me tough form because he can only go so far before he runs into some real guys But here's the thing if his things to make money think about this So he fights Connor even if he loses you're still getting one to two more huge fights He's walking away probably a hundred million after those fights. It's brilliant. I got to start fighting so Question is this what is this hurting who is it helping meaning Meaning, this whole celebrity fighting where anybody can come out, who's losing?

Is this good for Dana? Is it bad for, is it pissing Dana off? Is it good for boxing? Is it bad for boxing? I think it's good for everybody. Tell me why. I think it's good for everybody because I think you're seeing a guy and Jake Paul who's bringing attention to fighter pay and showing that he controls his own destiny.

He literally, it's his production. He's getting the benefits from all of it. So I think if UFC fighters are smart, they can take something and learn something from that. So it doesn't hurt Dana. UFC can't be hurt. Dana's brilliant. So he can't be hurt, but Dana,

anytime this competition, he's gonna shit on it. But I think it's good for everybody. Boxing UFC, just bring attention to the combat space. Do it. All the other sports too. If I were Kyrie Irving right now, I'd be like screw it. I don't want to go back to the NBA. A million dollars a game.

I'll put up a million. You put up on a one on one. You won on one on Showtime. I'll play 10 guys a night. But if Jake gets knocked out by ideas, does that, does this start him fade? Meaning like, all right, all right. I, everyone wants to see this kid get knocked out.

You agree? Everybody wants to see that. Sure, right? Except for his whatever 40 million subscribers. I think half of them want to see him get knocked out. You agree? Everybody wants to see that. Sure. Right? Except for whatever 40 million subscribers. I think half of them want to see him get knocked out. I think we live in it. We're older and we live on the social media, which isn't real, man. It's not real. Regardless, people would like to see him get knocked out.

But when he does, do you think that people will still pay to see his fight? 100%. Yeah, that's still keep going. I think even when he loses, that does you mean rematch clause and that fight, he's going to make money. So America loves to come back. He set up well. Look at Logan Paul's record. He's what? Oh, one two. Yeah, oh two and one. Oh, two and one. And anybody he's also want to watch this guy fight. Well, I think his upside is way bigger than Jake. He's got a nice one. Let me ask you. Oh, you think disagree? You think Jake Paul has bigger upside than Logan Paul? Yeah, because Jake Paul wants an actual career in boxing. Logan Paul wants to fight the most famous guys and make the most money possible.

I'm talking about fighting. He's not meant to be like somebody. Oh, you're saying I'm saying bigger than fighting. Oh, yeah, Logan. Yeah, have you guys had a, I'm sorry, do you have an interview? We haven't yet. Brilliant guy. He seems like it.

Smart. I'm saying, start moves. Smart. These, it's not accident. Like a lot of these guys, it's not an accident. Even the violence back on the day they were hilarious to begin with. Lowenthal's hilarious. Business-wise monster. And you got to appreciate the hustle. You, you think of yourself as an adrenaline junkie man? No, not at all.

Not at all. No. So, I mean, you've lived your whole adult life here seeking bigger and bigger and bigger spotlights I'm on a gentleman junky 100% so when it's quiet and there's nobody around you're happy You're not itching like man. I got to find something to do. I got to do some crazy shit here No, I mean I get restless because I want it because I feel like you know He's be working which is a problem especially I have kids I have a five and two year old so that can be a problem We always think about work, but Drill and junky know like I never jump out of playing in a chill. I don't drive fat. I have cool cars. I don't drive fast

I can't do two days really No, you ever driven fast? No I'm about my license suspended a few times. Yeah What's the fastest you've ever driven? I just I'm this isn't a flex. I just got a new Ferrari and I was going down the the five and I'm just in the flex. I just got a new Ferrari, and I was going down the five in California, driving back from San Diego. I got like 115.

1-1-5. 1-1-5. That's like a Wednesday. I don't drive. I'm like, he's in a adrenaline junkie. I don't want any part of the adrenaline junkie. I'm in a adrenaline junkie. That won't go in the car with him.

I don't know. You drive like a guy. I know it's this guy. We're in a Bentley. We were in a guy. We're in uh we're in a Bentley. We weren't a Bentley. In LA. Bentley. It was the four door was at the con was at the moose. You're asking me. I gotta pick

an Uber everywhere. Yeah. Cool though. Yeah it was a six hundred sixty horsepower Bentley. We're on what? The 405? 405. Yeah. Okay. 405. LA. During COVID. So it's like not the car's on the road just for the record. It's a legend. Yeah, the word a legend on it. He goes, let's let's open this baby up.

Let's see what we got. Dude, he it felt like we were going 60. Yeah, he goes, you know how fast we were just going right there? 150. Oh wow. He goes, let's remix this. That's allegedly. He hits it again. Now I'm like paying attention. This is a zero. 165 on the 405. That's a place to do it though. We were gonna miss six light open.

COVID cops aren't even in the ass. That's right. That's what's happening with this. Screw that. Rush hour Dallas allegedly. We're gonna miss. We're gonna miss it. Allegedly.

We're gonna miss it. Aw, bitch. The flight takes off in an hour and 15 from the old office to the airport to DFW was about 45. Like they started boarding by the time that we got in the car. We made the flight. Wow. I've never seen anything like this in my life. I went to go be a cop when I got out of the military.

I'm like, this is a good right. You know military you get out you were in a Marine. So when you get out you're thinking you get life. I want to go be a cop when I got out of the military. I'm like, this is a good right. You know, military, you get out, you were in a Marine. So when you get out, you're thinking, you get additional points to be a firefighter or cop, right? I go to be a cop, I take the test and they said, you can be a cop. I said, why can't I be a cop? I was 21 years old with 16 speeding tickets.

That's not gonna happen. I said, you realize I'm gonna catch the bad guy better than anybody else. And I said, I always see it. You broke the law to a good cop. I'm so sorry. I can Ricky than anybody else. That's how we see it. You broke the long-term in your time. It's like a Ricky Bobby over here, man. He was crazy. So you got comedy, big personality, huge body, athlete,

college athlete. WWE. It's like, first battle hall of fame, WWE. What happened here, man? No way, man. No. With the podcasting, I might thick boy network. So we do a, you know, I bought my own studio.

I run everything out of their high-mode staff, I get to think boy merged. No, I'm talking like 10 years ago, 15 years ago. Oh, back in the day, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know, man. No, what a vince man, what a miss. Yeah, with the person that went in the next razor remote, man. Oh, yeah, razor remote, what the hell?

You be a healer, you gotta be the healer. Oh, you gotta be the healer. So, aspiration, it wasn't like, I'm gonna go, I'm proathlete, you see the rock, I'm playing Miami Dolphins, and I'm gonna go this right now. Okay, I'm gonna go do movies, I'm gonna act, I'm gonna pursue this. Like for you to say, I'm gonna go fighting,

then I'm gonna go comedy, and then eventually, I'm gonna be able to do XYZ. That was not the case for you to say I'm gonna go fighting, then I'm gonna go comedy, and then eventually I wanna be able to do XYZ. That was not the case for you. Now I just go, and then if I enjoy it, then I just build the best team around me, and then try and have the most fun, and hopefully it works out. Got it.

So what's next for you? What do you wanna do next? Big, big project that excites you. It'd be, I literally, the Thickboy Network, in my own studio, and we do several shows out of there. You know, similar what you guys have here, we do a million shows out of there. It's funny you asked me that because Rob Daredeck,

he was on the show and he was looking at things and he's like, so what's the plan? And he kept going, what's the plan? Like, dude, quit fucking asking what the plan is. And then I made fun of him for it and he kind of shut him down, which probably not the smart thing to do, because it was a brilliant dude.

And then a week goes by and goes, Hey, I need to talk to you, it's been bothering me all week, man. You gotta have a plan. And he was, can you FaceTime tomorrow at four? I'm like, sure, dude. So, he FaceTime, I mean, he was just, you know, he's a good mentor to having.

He's like, at your 38, when I was 38, you're the exact same as me, man. You're making this much money, you're doing this, you think everything's all good, but I never had a plan. And he said, another guy asked him, like, what's your plan and really helped him out. So I'm coming up with a plan, what I want. Yeah.

Superjack, it's a great company, man. Like, those guys produce a whole bunch of shit, dude. No, I just think like that. I think like, is it a, you know, the big talk, you know, what ends up going through the guys who are independent yourself. Yeah know that they don't talk you're going to be the answer to your self-esteem. I'm seeing. I mean, you're with the big guy. So yeah, I just think like, you know, when you when you

when you see this, how much of it is the individual cast and the vision of who they want to be, how much of it is the agent or the manager from CA saying, hey, have you thought about this? I think you can be XYZ. I think you can be, you know, that, that, that. I wonder if that conversation is how. Are you pitching or you getting pitched? Like, what's the whole thing?

They've pitched me out a number of auditions for certain things, but it just, we're in a different world now. So it's like, let's say I got booked to do some movie unless I'm fucking the next Batman or something. It doesn't make sense to me to Vancouver for eight weeks, miss my kids, miss all the pockets, all the stand up. I'll make more money doing my own business,

doing all the other stuff I would be on the smoothie. This is close to saying make more money doing only fans, man. Oh man, well you never know. I'm saying never. You never know. Some hot trap job. Yeah, man.

You never know. Well, you know, by the way, by the way, this is exactly what they don't want to hear. No, they don't want to hear that what he just said because the level of the level of a desperation. He needs to be desperate people. Give me any job, man. I'll take anything.

Well, anything you got. Me, the 15th. I mean, my agent at CA and the guys, they won't mind me saying this, but we butt heads because they only touch touring. Or if there's an acting gig, or they sold my special for me. So you eat what you kill for me. I'm not your traditional Johnny Depp,

where you get 10% of everything I do. The podcast network and my shows completely. So you don't have an overall deal then? No, not at all. That's all you do, you know? Yeah, all that. Yeah, so they don't touch anything in my podcast. They don't touch it, man.

I run that all myself. Yeah, again, different model. That's anything in my podcast. They don't touch it, man. I run that all myself. Yeah, again, different model. That's the like it's a complete different model for them. I bet it is. What are we learning from Chaz? Chaz Pomementary sat there told the story about how he sold a Bronx tail. And it was the most incredible story ever heard in my life. There's only two guys in the history of Hollywood.

This him and Sylvester Sloan Long story short, dude is broke. People that have watched the podcast, you know what's podcast this was, broke. Has a car that that's the bottom of it's rusted out in the passenger seat. Doesn't even have a bottom. He gets offered 100 grand for Bronx Tale, but he can't play the lead.

He can't play Sonny. Turns it down. 200 grand, turns it down. 500, turns it down. Cold million. And if you say no, we're dropping you as a client turns it down. Oh damn says I'm gonna be sunny ends up signing deal Robert De Niro. He's sunny his whole career. Oh damn you know analyze this everything else for but the ability to say no nobody saying no

no. Yeah but for every one story like that during that time there are tens of thousands like you know one hundred brings in your voice sucks, you know, but you got good lyrics, you could be good writer, but you're not a good, for every one of you, there's already a lot of, you know, the rocky story, he sold his dog, you know, everybody's heard those stories. But the business model has changed for good and bad because there's no, there's like no criteria

to start your own podcast, there's no criteria for you, you know, to get famous off YouTube and then try and do stand up because you can sell tickets, they're gonna book, you know, to get famous off YouTube and then try and do stand up because you can sell tickets They're gonna book you no matter if you're the worst comic in the world So it's a you know, it's a blessing in a curse So the industry still tries to kind of we talked about a little bit off here They still like look down their nose a little bit like YouTube and like you know, but at the same time I think it's because

It takes the power away from them like it's an international National figure it out though. It's an international Casting call. I mean you're out here talking to the whole world and then the world can decide whether they like you're not It's not somebody in an ivory tower and downtown. I like green lighting you the world is green lighting you're not No, yeah, Hollywood doesn't have the power anymore. Go right this guy can do this this guy can't they really don't I mean you So I would rickie your base it at the at the awards. Yeah, the Oscars We got it says listen you guys may well just throw in the towel and give all the, you know, words to Netflix. I think they kick in your ass, right?

But he's right. I mean, that was Ricky Jurez. Every time he gives this message, there's depth in his thinking that guy is a brilliant guy. Yeah, his speech, I hope they book this guy again. I really hope that I don't know if they're going to do it. I'm scared to. I'll never, my God. But if you could play any role though, what would you play? If you had your brothers, what would you play?

I would do like a comedy movie with all my guys. Like, see O'vonne, Chris DeLia, Brian, like all the boys. Like the Adam Sandler model, you bring all your boys in. Well, remember, he was a grown up Sandler earlier, so. Yeah, Adam Sandler, yeah. You got a good Adam Sandler impression? No, not at all. You can't do a little hero. No, no, I did meet him. I was a grown-up. I was a sandal earlier. Yeah, Adam Sandler. You got a good Adam Sandler impression? No, not at all.

You can't do a little hero. No, I did meet him. I did meet him. What? Yeah, I was at the movies with my kiddos and my girl. And I see him. It's rare for me to get like, He's there at the movie thruster.

Yeah, I was like, oh shit. And my girl's like, well, I'm like, that's my North Star. That's Adam Sandler. Yeah, I say something. I'm not going to say anything. Because I'm not going to say anything. It's going to be weird to know who I am. She's like, you know, you's my north star. That's Adam Sandler. I gotta say something, I'm not gonna say anything. Cause I'm not gonna say anything. It's gonna be weird to know who I am. She's like, now you have to calm me.

So I'm sure he sees, like you have to improv, like, I'm never seen him there. I'm telling you, I'm never seen him there. And I go in the bathroom and he's in the bathroom. I'm sure it's fucking like a scene. Well, it takes him as he is. Hey, how's it hanging? Oh, wow, shit.

Hey man, how's the move? Oh, yeah, this is awesome. And then we walk out the bathroom and he's it hanging? Oh, wow, shit. Hey, man, how's the move? Oh, man, this is awesome. And then we walk out the bathroom and he's there and he goes, hey, he could tell us, look at him, and I'm like, tell my kids about him. And he goes, hey, and I walk over. What's up, Mr. Sandler?

And he goes, you're the tough guy that does comedy, right? And I was like, holy fuck. He knew you. And then he gets off for the last sports fan. Ah, barely, barely. So just where they're here. He knew you. Yeah. you played hard to get. And then he's like, yeah, yeah, you're the guy.

Yeah. So apparently he said, athlete, Adam Sandler, huge. Apparently the way back to when the Lakers may sign them. This way he's not that they contract. Like, oh, Isaiah Tom. I tell you what, that's the that's the inverse. That's how you compete with Jake Paul. You bring on like Bill Murray and Wolf Ferrell.

If you're the Cleveland Cavaliers right now, have them be 11 and 12 on the bench. Yeah, he plays pickup all the inverse. That's how you compete with Jake Paul. You bring on like Bill Murray and Wolf Ferrell. If you're the Cleveland Cavaliers right now, have them be 11 and 12 on the bench. Yeah, he plays pickup all the time. Yeah. You see the videos always going viral. You got any V ball skills or no? A little bit. You have the court, a court at the house. I play a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Where do you live? In the back. I live in L.A. What part? Berlin Hills. I know. The Hill's Cal Vasses like right on the edge there. And with everything going on during or even LA. What part? Berlin Hills. I know. I know.

I know. I know right across. I love it over there. Margiano's on the movie. That's what I took my son to the movies last week. That's the movie theater. I would go all the time. I know right across.

I love it over there. Margiano's on the movie. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love Yes, that's right. I take my son to movies last week. Yeah, that's that's the movie that I would go all the time. Yep. I know right across. I love it over there.

Marjano's on the other side. They build a whole mall, everything. Probably the best mall in LA is the Topanga mall. By far. By far. Even better than. And then my studios, thick boy studios is literally up the street in Calabases.

Right by that Irwan, next to where the Irwan open. You're in like a heavenly place. So you have no next to the Irwan. You're in like a havin'ly place. So you have no plans of leaving? No. You're gonna stay there. Yeah, we were talking about it before I came in here. Yeah, you know, all my friends left, which, you know, makes me sad. I miss them, but I think for me, I love LA.

I love, I hate the politics, but I love LA. And it doesn't, to be honest, doesn't affect me that much. When we were in like, you know, 2020, 2021, the height of COVID, it was North Korea. It was tough, man. But, you know, those days are over. Now it's pretty open. I can do spots all over town now.

And like, again, it's my own studio. So we don't require a mask or anything like that. So it didn't bother me. I'm a homebody, so we're good. And why do all your friends leave? You know, Rogan left because it made sense for him, you know, with the save on taxes in Austin. He's gonna build the county scene in Austin. So, Gura, same reason, moved to Austin, you know, he makes more money than God. So a lot of those guys left for that reason.

Theo just wanted something different. So he moved to Nashville. So, you know, the crew kind of, Joey Diaz moved to New Jersey. This is like the sad epilogue and the young length to join by me like the sad lot. This is the sad lot to join. Joey Diaz, Drew to Jersey, was never speaking. I think Joey, maybe just a little bit sick of the hustle, swan to break, one to family life. Slow down, we'll be able to do that.

He has a daughter, but yeah, almost so younger than all these guys. So it's like, you know, for Rogan to leave, he's been in LA 30 years, Siger has been there 30 years. So not been there 10, man. You're 83 right now, you know. Yeah, I'm kind of just getting my friend to the door. And like, you know, Rogan used to always do, you know,

Rogan and friends at the improv in the comments store. Well, now it's Shob and friends. Now he's got a Shob and friends. Sure. And then, you know, my favorite show that I've ever done in my entire life was the fight campaigns with Joe Rogan, Eddie Bravo and Brian Callan. Well, Rogan moved to Austin, and I call him like,

dude, we should get the crew back together, we'll fly out once a month to Austin and do fight campaigns, like, I'm just too busy, man. He's like, I got an idea, I want you to do it. I was like, really, he's like, you do it, man. Bill Jones team and you do it, so that's what I did. So, you know, it's a blessing, and it's also a bummer that they left, man.

How'd you get hooked on with Rogan? Um, okay. When I was fighting the UFC, he was obviously the announcer. And then, uh, him and Brian Callan are really close. And when I first moved to LA, we do, we go to dinners together all the time. And then, um, we just, you know, became good friends. And then Rogan used to always harp like, you gotta do stand-up, man. You're funny, dude. You're fucking funny. He stole you or fighting? Yeah, when I was fighting him, I'm telling you, get a set together. I'm telling you, to stand up man. You're funny dude. You're fucking funny while you were fighting

You know when I was fighting them telling you get a set together I'm telling you can do this like constantly. That's cool. Tell me do stand up do stand up Your mind dude was Rogan the guy that told you to stop fighting and yes really what was that what was that conversation? Like I was a fan as a fan of both his and as a fan of Rogan's that was one of the more awkward podcasts I ever listed well was it what he said? his and his fan of Rogan's. That was one of the more awkward podcasts I ever listened to. Well, what did he say? Just he could tell I had one foot in, one foot out,

and he's 100% right. Rogan's very blunt and upfront. Obviously the message, I think, is harsh to the public. But me and him have such a good relationship to me. The only thing I was surprising was I was going to do me and Brian were going to do a show. And I was like, you know, kind of anouth my retirement, kind of not like I was on to do, me and Brian were gonna do a show and I was like, you know, kind of an out-smire retirement, kind of not like I was on the fence

and we're driving a student and we're counting, he was like, hey, Rogan wants to do it with us. Really? Cause yeah, but he's gonna do it, his do you. So the people think that was a JRE episode, that was actually a fighter in the kid. That was a fighter in the kid at Joe Rogan's studio. It was my show, but on his platform. I didn't know that. Yeah, most people don't. Yeah, that was actually my show, but on his platform. I didn't know that.

Yeah, most people don't. Yeah, that was actually a fine kid. Wow, I didn't know that. So, and I told Brian, I go, all right, dude, but I don't, like, I don't want to talk about the fight. Like, you know, I'm kind of messed up from depressed, man, I want to talk about it. He's like, I'm gonna do that.

When I'm gonna talk about the fight. Did you tell Joe this? So he told Brian this. No, I told Brian that. So I figured he relayed that to... Wait, so just to say good-bye. I got it. So you had already decided to hang him up Wait, so just to say good-bye. I got it. So you had already decided to hang them up before that?

Yeah, because I've been doing fine with the kid at that point for about three years. And I was starting to receive a good amount of income from that. And it was just, I was busy with that. And then I've always been really into fashion and my own merch. So instead of wearing a tap out shirt, I create my own shirt and walk out on fashion and like my own merch. So instead of wearing like a tap out shirt, I create my own shirt and walk out of that and then sell it myself on mine. And then Reebok said you didn't have a lot to do that.

And that really made me retire. Really? Interesting. So you didn't know Joe was gonna ask you and talk to you about that? I had no clue. Yeah, but you know, as a, as a, he did me a super solid.

Well, when did he ask you? What was the actual conversation? You just told me to stop fighting. He was like, I can tell you're one foot in, one foot out and you're not getting it hurt. He just called you shit out right there. Yeah, on camera. What happened after camera? Like this? So the whole thing. He hugged me. Okay. That's what I think. We were both pretty carry out. Yeah, he hugged me. It's very obvious. He was like, I know that was

harsh, man, but I love you, man. He's like, the reason I did is because I love the fuck out of you. And he's like, but you can do like what I'm telling you, you like you podcast and stand up, you can do this, man. FYI, 90% of them maybe more can't do that. 90% be generous. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. They cannot do that. So it's like the NBA, you know, everybody leaves the NBA like, okay, what's this guy going

to be doing? You don't have the personality to be an analyst. You don't have a personality to be commentated. You've got to have the personality, the humor, all of that. So Brendan, he was right. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Come right. Yeah, 100%. Come on.

Yeah. In hindsight, yeah, he was right. And then even people think I have issues with Dan. I have no issues with Dan. If I saw him give him a big hug, because him signed that Reebok deal at the time, that gave me the fuel to get to where I wanted to get. So I was so mad at him.

I was so mad when he signed that Reebok deal. At Dana? Dana? I love so mad. And we had a conversation deal. At Dana? Dana? I love so mad. And we had a conversation on the phone. It did not go well. And I just kept calling out on shows. But he put a fucking box of pringles on my shoulder.

Some people have a chip on his shoulder. I had a fucking pringle box on my shoulder. I was so mad, but it gave me the fuel to get to where I wanted to go. And now that I'm on the outside looking in, I've made it this far, I would give him a hug. I'm like, thank God you did that, man. Like I owe all my stuff to him, man. You channeled that rage artistically too, which is like, I mean, that's something that.

Because I didn't want to be a failure. Not, I was in doing to prove Dendana, like told you I could do it, but I just didn't want to be that guy that left the UFC and then, you know, it was fucking whole-knit at the UFC. Sure. Why not that they would scoff at that, you're a big fan.

What are you gonna do, dude? I'm gonna do stand-up. Yeah, I'm gonna do stand-up. You're a big fan of Dana White, though. I'm a big fan, but I actually want to ask you a question. I want to be very clear. I'm a very big fan of Dana. Oh, it's very obvious.

You made it clear. I know that, yeah. But here's what I'm gonna ask you. So, in UFC today, okay, versus 10 years ago. Who's more important today? A face of the UFC that's marketable, for example, Usman's not marketable. He's a ridiculous fighter, but is he a guy

that's gonna come out and you know, do one of these, why do you think Usman's not marketable? He's not a Connor, no, no, I point. He's just giving an example. No, no, I will make it very clear. I think technically the guys are monster but all time great, but but Connor yeah, some people put him in the top five Connor makes you money. Okay Connor's a once in a life called Kobe. Kobe. Kobe makes you money Kobe talk shit. Jorge monster. All makes you money Right so child son and talk shit, but I was here money. Yeah, he was a money fighter. Yeah, it was child son. Yeah, I balls will never

even heard of his name, but wait a minute. Wait a minute. He was a close he was a money fighter for UFC, but back then they didn't pay the way they pay. It was a different model, but he brought eyeballs. There you go. Of course, he brought eyeballs to this. But yeah, so you have a point, but what I'm trying to go to right now is the following. What matters more is a ridiculous, one of the greatest promoters of all time, Dana White, more important today to the sport of UFC or is a great face important to the face of UFC. Dana White.

Okay, I agree with you. I agree with you on that. You get the business model too because now they've gone away from paper views which paper view is generated just off stars and now they make their nut off the spn deal getting whatever 600 million a year put on 42 fights on the spn so spn doesn't care if it's Connor or some guy you've never heard of that's right you have to use making their money no one's more famous or big in the sport than

Dana White the two most famous people aren't fighting it's Joe Rog Rogan, Dana White, Kate side making a very true race. What a great point. What a great piece of gold. So, so, so, Conor McGregor makes a ton of sense joining them on the outside. So, this is my question for you. This is my question for him. Kirsten, what he says. Who do you think? Kay. Dana's not going to be able to do this for 30 more years. Okay. He's going to go for a while, but to do a 30 more years, I don't know about that. Is there anybody you would say, if anybody could do Dana's job today, it'd be dot, dot, dot. Is there anybody that could do his job today?

Not to the level that he does it at, because I do think you gotta be kind of a shark, because a lot of fighters are pretty caring despite what people think, so. But it'd be a fighter, it'd be like a guy like Brian Stan, if you know who he is, military background. And he went on, he's working for some huge venture capital company now.

He's like the head of it, making all this money. The guy like Tim Kennedy, who's a special forces guy. Wow, that's kind of a case of these, yeah. Who's brilliant, but also caring, would probably take care of the fighters a little better. A Daniel Kormier, a dominant cruise. Somebody who's in the angle you took. Yeah, so you're saying fighters as tough as they are,

deep down inside their kids, they're sensitive. They want to be able to have somebody that cares about them that takes care of them. And I think you need some of that in today's world, because Dana's a businessman, and which I get, people on complain about fight or pay, or complain about things, but then we all have Apple phones and complain about the way Apple treats our employees.

See, I wonder like when you're saying that, I look at it for maybe a different angle because of being a business myself. So I'm gonna say business. Yeah, no, I'm not thinking straight, but let me give you my insight. I want you to push back and see what angle you see this. So I look at Roger Godel, okay.

Who likes Roger Godel? Who hates Roger Godel? Okay, Roger Godel just signed a Godfather killing, ridiculous contract making 25 million year private jet for the rest of his life and, you know, health, all this stuff that he negotiated, and he got it, right? So what are, you know, this is, and we've had the conversation about the guy,

and the next thing, you know, all the owners made, boom. They love him. They made a million dollars. They love his life. Of course. But here's the point, though. Here's the point, if you think about the fact that the owners made that money, They love them. They love them. They love them. They love them. Right. But here's the point though. Here's the point.

If you think about the fact that the owners made that money, who else makes that money? Hey, my homes gets a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. It's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. It's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract.

It's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. It's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. It's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. Yeah, it's a half-dollar contract. be like a Dana White that's going to be able to sit down with these other media bullies that's going to push him around like I don't give a shit who you are you ain't going to be able to bully this guy versus the other guys are more compassionate corporate guys that

are going to be diplomatic. It's like hey you know yeah let's do side deal wink wink I don't think Dana does any wink wink deals. Not doing it. Yeah. You need a savage in there and unfortunately you know to make an omelette crack some eggs and that's what the UFC does. This is the only thing I'll disagree with. It's's good point. Yeah. You need a savage in there. And unfortunately, you know, to make an omelette crack some eggs. And that's what the UFC does. This is the only thing I'll disagree with.

That's a good point. There's the only thing I'll disagree with that, right? There can only be so much circus. There has to be some go to go with the show, like, meaning, like, it's not going to turn into barren knuckle fighting. And it's just whoever the two best shit talkers and these guys are going to fight. We're going to make this BMF belt. There's still people that want to see GSP fight. There's still people people don't want to see GSP fight There's still people don't want to see Camaro's fight. There's still people that want to see the best in the world

The fans the fans fans, but I'm not just talking about you have seen our boxing like look Jake Paul He's disrupting that's great But whenever you're influencer in the world starts throwing wildhands and hugging each other I mean, there's the sweet science is something that's beautiful to watch because none of us can do it for sure You know what I'm saying? So like you saw that tick-tock YouTube challenge that thing was disaster. Listen man, I'm going to let you know I'm talking about it. You'll pay $200 to watch somebody in the NBA play because they do things that you can't do. You won't pay $5. No, you won't see the bad school kids play basketball. That's what I'm saying. So, that's why nobody goes to WNBA.

On a certain level, they're pushing and they're pushing and they're pushing. But I think they're going to they're pushing and they're pushing. But I think they're going to kill the Golden Goose. The further they get away from the Golden Goose, right now, I think the NBA is doing the worst job possible. I thought. Best job possible. They hate their fans.

Look at the rating. They actively hate their fans. And they're filled with superstars. That's the thing. They're alienating their fans. Yeah. They're fan based by doing some of the political stuff They did and it's also when they did it. They're not doing it now. You're saying you're circling back to

No, I really know I know I know I know I know a little bit. Yeah, they really fucked them And then the analytics too, man I mean the analytics look I get it like I Whole reason I had an opportunity with the cardinals was because of money ball Like you know I struck out a lot and then I hit the ball to the moon and that's all I did that's great, right? But that's a really boring style of baseball when you have nine guys. I challenge anybody watching this. Watch the 2001 World Series between Arizona, Dimebacks and New York Yankees. Baseball can't get better than that. It's a fun game.

There's something happening on every page though because there's action. There's activity. And there's a lot of it. And what else is there? I mean, so much like the point of the draw. There's also steroids. Yeah, steroids. Exactly. I think a lot of his. I mean, so much like there's also steroids. Yeah, steroids. Exactly. I think it should be so baseball. You should be legal steroids in baseball. It's not hurting, but either

hit a fucking ball. Yeah, but I want to see the guys juice to the fucking max. Craig and Homer listen, have a little person. Anybody get mad at Brad Pitt for being juice to the Hilton Troy having 19 abs. Yeah, they're not hurting

anybody. It's baseball. The legalized steroids. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. What are your thoughts on that? You have a opposing argument or a... No, I'm just... So you're just encouraging steroids?

You're arguing. And that's the argument. You should... We had to give back all the box office. We had to hire conversation. Last podcast about drugs. Yeah. About pills.

Yeah. And about cocaine. And I'm like, look, marijuana ain't that bad. No, no, no, no. Now we're like, shoot up. Throw some random shit in your system. There's a difference, there's a difference. What's the difference? I give you the big difference.

I'll give you the big difference. Okay, so in 2001, 2001 Morgan Stanley 9-11, 2001, I go to Miss Rolimpia, okay. I'm in shape, I'm ready. I'm thinking about going into the world to compete, right? It's either gonna be, I'm gonna go be a stock broker with Morgan Stanley Dean-Witter. I'm gonna go be a bodybuilder.

I go to Mr. Olympia. But this is real. Yeah, that's true. You competed. Yeah, you know, in Army. No, never, never at that. You asked all the way. I was there.

Yeah, I was. But this is in the Army, I was competing. Oh, that's cool. So I go to Mr. Olympia. So I'm like, I'm gonna find out what this life looks like. Okay. So I walk around and I start find out what this life looks like, okay? So I walk around and I start hanging out with this guy we start party and some of the big names at the time They you know if you follow bodybuilding you know these names. I've been a most I'm gonna rip them off for you

And you know the names off if you want you got you would get the name. Oh, yeah, you get the name Yeah, or me. It was a party guy Aaron bake all these guys right so anyway, so I go and I say so Tell me what it takes to be Mr. Olympia. Okay the guy says you want to be Mr. Olympia. He says yeah I say I want to know what it I don't want to be a Mr. Olympia competitor. I want to be Mr. Olympia right now. By the way Phil he used to sit in this right here. He does my boy. Yeah so Denver guy. Denver guy. And he's the one guy the same gym and he also went to University of Colorado. Correct. You want to be the Missed Roll. It says, okay, let me explain to what we take.

They make the list. Okay. This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. I won't give the name of who was what we went through with the last one. I'm going to give the name of the last one. I'm going to give the name of the last one. I'm going to give the name of the last one. I'm going to give the name of the last one. I'm going to give the name of the last one. It says, okay, let me explain to what we take. And they make the list, okay? This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, I'm going to give the name of who was, but we want to do the whole list of things. You need to take

the pages long. Then your 6465, you're going to be off season 350, and no one has ever won Missrolimpia at 6465. The tallest guy that won it was six two and a half two thirty five two forty five his name is Arnold during the days where bodybuilding was very different now with another all five nine Ronnie Coleman won it he was like five nine five ten three ten three hundred nine yeah Ronnie Coleman's maybe five ten five hundred how tall do you think Phil is Phil's five nine right yeah but Ronnie look bigger no no two year point I would tell people this all the time, and when I was close.

But let me finish my point. The point is to follow on here. If you're going to go at that level, like, you look at LeBron, you think LeBron just takes Creteton? I don't know about that. I mean, you look at LeBron, you think LeBron. I was going to make you think they're taking whoever you're favorite.

You don't think LeBron takes, I mean, this is my point. They're doing it on the show. It's not encouraged and out there. That's a problem, though. So like, look, big ball doesn't need to now. Take free game. It should just, you know, make it very easy. It's just wink.

It's all good. No, but there's a return. There's a return. There's a big difference between weed, cocaine, LSD, special K. You know, there's a very good stuff between that and steroids. There's a very big difference. There's a very big difference. Meaning Barry Bond.

OK, Juan González used to be like this, right? He came in. He was hitting 40 homeruns. Then he started juicing. Then he wasn He came in, he was hitting 40 home runs, then he started juice in, right? Then he wasn't hitting the way he was hitting before. It actually didn't help him as much, right? Some of the guys, because it's good to be like this. Sometimes it widens up a little to me.

It doesn't work for everybody, right? Pictures, you're doing it more for your shoulders, your elbows, recovery. That's more, so it's not like you're doing it. Like Roger Clements wasn't benching six plates and you know wanting to go compete Roger Clements was recover and faster having 21 games season Yeah, Adam and why do you think LeBron's playing so long it's such a highlight? Yeah, so I never think that weird But bring that back to baseball. You're saying hey go at it. Do steroids bro

It's a libertarian concept the only thing is like for me if we just legal You got to look at that steroid, similar kind of a conversation. I see steroids in a similar kind of a conversation. Let me, I see it as a similar type of a conversation because you choose to, what is, you choose to put it in your body? What is performance of hand? Let me give you a different perspective, right?

Like that term, performance of hand, like, you used to drive me out of my mind. I never took steroids, but I did everything possible within the rules to mimic the effect of steroids. We all did. And a test and no testing. Everything. Everything. So I'm taking, so instead of taking one clean shot from a doctor, I'm taking 15 freaking

seven K-O-D-H-E-A's and another like T-BOM and then they insert a freaking physicist over there in your body. But this is what's happening, right? Like year one, that's legal. Year two, that stuff's illegal. I never broke any rules. Was I performing hands and drugs? Like it's such a mockery.

And now my body's like a bunch of melted crayons because I completely turn my metabolism off. But I'm like, baseball, nobody's getting hurt either. You're hitting a ball. So you guys are all on the same page. steroids, baseball. And it's professional.

This is the truth. The biggest mistake I ever made in the minor leagues was not taking steroids. The biggest mistake I ever made in the Myron Leagues was not taking steroids. The biggest mistake I ever made because once you're there, your job is to make as much money for your family as you possibly can. My logic behind this is, if it's something you're gonna do to advance, like there is a way

that you're advancing, you can consider it. If there is. For some people, it doesn't work out well. For some people, it does. What are the side effects? are the side effects by the way you actually do what's that but that's a great question down so but that's a great question because it's illegal kids are taking things that they shouldn't take in quantities they shouldn't take it if it was legal and your team doctor was able to administer it the side effects are negligible. If you're saying if a doctor does a larger point here is for our side effects in those grown men probably not much, but

not growing a third testicle having heart issues. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, favorite baseball player, Ryan Bronner, some shit like that. And he's on steroids. Well, that's going to encourage that kid to do so at a young age. So if they do it in high school and like middle school, that's where it gets. Well, just like in the baseball players, do you remember any kids in high school that were on steroids? Oh, yeah. I remember. Yeah, they sucked. Yeah, by the way, it was very awkward. Yeah. So awkward. Yeah, very well. I have a mustache. Yeah. And you're a female.

Yeah. Now, the greatest swimmer in the world, though. That's it. You know, you just said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm telling a whole different story with college. Yeah. But again, you talk about the Lance Armstrong guy caught Nate. They paraded him around like a pariah.

So should he be able to do this? This is the thing. Yeah. You came right in a bike. But the thing is, you're good to go with the stuff. Yes, you're on a fucking time. Tyler, you can't have a good time. Tyler, you're good to go with the stuff. Yes, you're on a fucking time. Tell it, tell it. Look at him.

You should not be able to do stereo. I know NFL and UFC. I know why NFL? Because you're physically hurting each other. So if that steroids allows him to go zero to, you know, 40 yard dash faster, he's physically inflicting more pain. Unless everybody's on the same thing. So you're saying, let's everybody has access.

Individual sports, you're riding a bike. You're hitting a baseball. So come back. But if you're, if you're actually physical contact, you're drawn aligned somewhere. That's why I make some sense. But those guys are telling you got to look it up for me, man.

Of course, of course. I believe the last tour to France where Lance Armstrong got caught taking steroids. You have to go down to 15th place to find a guy who didn't test hard. I think it was 24th. Maybe 24 that didn't use it.

That did not test positive. The two through like 20 all have been caught doing steroids. So Lance was the scapegoat is what you're saying. The whole team was fricking. Everybody is just saying he was an asshole. So that's why they went after. So the guy was really. By the way, this goes to another name.

Barry Bonds. Okay. Another asshole. Another asshole, right? I mean, that's... Nobody wants to see those guys win. Ha. I don't know how I was thinking.

I was the kind of swing the bad guy. I don't know how I was thinking. I don't know how I was thinking. Oh, no. No, no. What about Sammy Sosa? Should be in the hall of fame. And steroids turned him white.

Yeah. Yeah. Did you see that? Oh, that was the bleach. Okay, my bad. My bad. Might be a lotion. Not enough time in the sun, maybe. I don't know. Yeah.

God, I was weird. What's going on there? Well, he's salmon, Sosa now. 66 homeruns at one season 90. I don't know if you see the documentary. That's the one. I was in a military. We had a great time watching. I hear Sosa home run 98. I mean, like 98. The fact that you became a fan.

The fact that Bud Selig is in the Hall of Fame after he destroyed the game in 95 and then turned the blind out everything. Yeah, those guys aren't? Yeah. But you love kids, right? Trying to give him to watch baseball. My son's like, get the fuck out of here.

Your son's right. Yeah, he's like, what the fuck is this? Your son's five and goes dogs like that. He's like the red stuff by the same name before. Yeah, he's like the same before. But he's tough. Hey, dad, what is this bullshit? He's a fortnight. Just nothing but video games all time. What? Yeah, he just, uh, you try and get a kid to watch baseball or even boxing for that

matter. Really? Oh, yeah. They don't watch boxing. I can't get them to watch baseball. Can you watch baseball boxing to watch a little bit? But unless it's like a anti-Josfer, Deante Wilder, they're not into it. Got it. Yeah, you have seen the watch. Did you ever go with the ever showing your fights? Oh, yeah. Yeah, what do they think? Yeah, I mean, he loves it.

He says he wants to be, he does Jiu-Jitsu now. Nice. He did, I actually picked up my black belt because of him because I've been a black belt for years, but I've never had the actual black belt. And I think I never want to lie to my son. So he's a beggining Jiu-Jitsu, so I drive him to Jiu-Jitsu place.

And it's like probably day four of him could be in there and he's good at athletic. And so we walk in there and his coaches have black belt, but they're like 300 pound guy, you know, in great shape with that black belt. And also, Chris Farley comes, I can't really learn about that. Oh, gosh.

Well, there was a guy named Roy Nelson Nelson who was, you know, big coach. Yeah, I fought him. I lost. Yeah, great guy. Great fighter. But he, uh, back to the point, though, is again, at Black Belt, there's different levels of Black Belt. There's, like, there could be a Black Belt from one school.

There could be another Black Belt in there in the different standards. Yeah. So my son goes, Dad, do you have a Black Belt? I did. You've seen that. Yeah. What do you talk about? You have cement again, you have cement. It was the first anticon of joke ever in heavyweight division. I'm a black belt.

We show me your black belt at home. I don't have this physical one. I know. He's got a black belt. He's got an idea. Yeah, then he goes, could you beat them up? Are you shitting me, dude? Oh my god, so we got in the car. I called my coach, and I talked to him like five years. I'm all, are you shitting me, dude? Them? Oh my god, so we got in the car.

I called my coach, and I'm talking like five years. I'm all he's saying. Hey, Coach, you still have that black belt for me? He's like, we've been waiting for you to pick it up. I go, I'm booking my fucking ticket now. Be there Friday. So we my son fly down to Denver. He's five.

He's five. Flew down to Denver. He came into the school and had to roll with all the black belts. Like, give me my black belt. I took the belt off and then she's your black belt kid And what's this one tiger tiger by the way, he's big like he was you a big kid. Okay, so he's like 99% out of a kid Yeah, five and two you said five and two. What's the two-year-old bruiser? Yeah, the both name is bruiser. No, no, he's his name's Boston Yeah, Boston the bru bruiser. No, no, his name is Boston. Yeah, Boston, the bruiser. Wow, why Boston?

Well, I don't know. So I got different, just different names. I got, we named it Kid Brooklyn. Yeah, well, exactly. It's not like he probably goes to the four Christmas where he says, you know, in our family, dad named us after the city they conceived us. Oh, man, that was, yeah.

So I was gonna ask you the same question I asked, Pat, man, it's tough question to think about. But when you're coming up, like you said, you got tough because of your environment, right? Like you had an environment where you had to develop a person out, you had to develop steel sets, right? Now you're growing up, you got rich kids now. Your kids are growing up rich, your kids are growing up

in Calabasis, LA kids. Yep, they're fucked. So here's the thing, very similar to a roller, you know. But this is the thing, right? It's like, you want to give your kids everything that you never had. Sure. But then you're gonna turn them into everything that you never were. Correct. So I mean, what do you do to make sports sports? That because there's no the sports that that a humble him like he he didn't have to go pro in sports. I'm not like that overbearing dad Mm-hmm. He's gonna have to play sports because that teaches him respect. You want to get a hit.

Get back up. Talk this. You're gonna do some like, jujitsu, you're gonna put him in some kind of MMA, some kind of mix. He's in jujitsu now. Four times a week. He does jujitsu, he does soccer, he's into everything. Yeah.

The culture, you know, my kids go to the barra jujitsu right here and you go there. I gotta tell you, man, this is good for kids. Like, I didn't roll up with that. So I'm not like somebody that went to it, but I'm watching how they talk to me. Hey, you know, they're trying to discipline them. It's not like it's okay. It's not one of those environments. It's pretty like pretty strong. Yeah, Jim. Yeah, they're around man, man, which is good. I love that. I think there's a lot of benefits to it.

Question for you guys. I'm gonna go to you. Okay. So, uh, you remember when we used to buy newspapers and everybody was newspapers. 20 years and newspapers boom gone nobody's by newspapers magazines Everyone's just pissing on the carpet all over America. So so go to blackberry go to newspaper go to any of that stuff Right, okay, they're gone. We don't even use black. I got you next tell remember peep peep peep next that we used to do all this stuff Okay 10 years from now 20 years from now. Let's go 2041. Okay. You got UFC, you got MMA. Is there going to be one that's going to be forgotten about? And the other one's going to surpass the other one, like there's going to be a major separator between

the two sports or both boxing and MMA are going to be around UFC is going to be around 20 years from now. UFC, I guarantee, will be around. Boxing needs to figure things out. Boxing's the one who are in trouble. I think that, and that's another thing with Jake Paul, a plus, it's he's getting that younger demographic into watching boxing. One before, they're not watching Triple G and these guys. They don't care.

To be interested. Yeah, because their dad's probably not into it. So, but everyone's kinda into UFC. So, I think UFC will be around, but boxing, they need't care. To be interested. Yeah, because their dad's probably not into it. So but everyone's kind of into UFC. So I think UFC be around, but boxing, you know, they need that next big star, because you know, canelo's getting older, he's probably the biggest star, yet fury, yet wilder, yet Joshua, but they're gonna need someone like,

you know, a Connor, but in boxing to get that younger audience. That's Jake, it's not Jake, it's not Jake, it's not Logan. You need someone in traditional boxing to come up through the rankings who has the it factor like Economy Gregor you think a sport is going to be disrupted like you think there's gonna be a sport that We're not prime for that. Boxing is a land of dinosaurs But you know the owners from the promoters to the way they do things you think about it also, you know 12 three-minute round like it's It's a lot man. I think it's very they take six rounds to feel each other out. Like it's tough, man.

That's a good point because you're not seeing anything. You're not seeing any action for a second. And they don't fight really to hurt each other anymore. You're not seeing haggling. Coins out there. Yeah. And they're like, look, let's, we're going to have a trilogy here. We're going to move. They're also killed. I don't mean to interrupt you. They're, they're also killing themselves because you have, you know, four major promoters. So the fight we want to see, we don't see happen for years down the road to whereover it. Yeah.

So they have an interesting. But did you hear what Mayweather recently said about the conversation came about when they asked them who do things the best heavyweight of all time. He said Larry Holmes over Ali. They said why Larry Holmes is this? First of all, Ali lost to Norton three times. He just kind of started going through the whole history, you know Ali didn't do this, Ali lost,

Ali used to rope it up and you can't do that and it's a different kind of style. He used to make people tire of my business. It's a fair point. Yeah, he says to me it's Larry Holmes, it's not Mahamad Ali and then he says, I think I'm the greatest boxer of all time and he went through the whole argument he made

about the fact that he's the greatest boxer of all time. Do you think it's the good argument? Who fact that he's the greatest boxer of all time. Do you think it's an argument? Who do you put as the greatest boxer of all time? Floyd's definitely up there. Floyd's up there. I, every way it's tough, you know, when they say, you know, Larry Holmes or Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson, you know, because of Andrew Holyfield, you'd have to rank over Mike Tyson. Yeah.

But because we came up with Mike Tyson, I mean, this big scary guy, and I love, people think I hate him. I love Mike Tyson. But he, to me, he's not even mean the conversation for greatest all time. He was the scariest of all time We had his run his first. Yeah, but you look at his resume. He wasn't beating anybody of no the guys that he fought that He wasn't allowed to bully lost to so to me. He's not you know, he's not the only I mean, that's like the Rick Bose But that's like the Linux Linux Lewis is better than all you put you put riddick boy ahead of Tyson.

I don't know if I put him ahead of Tyson, but we're talking about great. Yeah, he's not. He's not. So he's in top three or he's not. He's to me, he's the scariest. Okay. And at the time in the promotion and in the pop culture.

And in the pop culture, like he's by far the so would you would you say is it fair to say like if we were to define it like, know the most dominant player in the history the NBA Shack right maybe he's not the greatest, but he's the most dominant player ever in the history the NBA is that can I you're putting yeah, okay? Tim Duncan. Yeah, Tim Duncan was a monster. He was a monster, but Shack came in and Shack would turn the elbow hits your face You're done right up and down the court. Yeah, he's gonna crap out of Yeah. So, but going back to, so who's at the top for you? It's tough. It's a tough conversation I have because you look at Koolia Shabba senior, you know, who's like fucking 90 and whatever, 90 and five.

That guy fots like every day. And the biggest gate, live gate of all time in Mexico, Mexico City, I think it was like 120,000 sold out. It was a profit. Monster. Yeah. Like, I did it. Where were we talking about? Nuts.

You know, you look at Sugar Ray. Like, it's tough, man. We're talking about Grazell. So let's say today, top 10. You put Canelo on top 10 today. Is has Canelo already been top 10? No, number one right now. I don't know.

No, no, no, no. That's not what I'm asking. I don't even know if I can name 10 boxers today. Oh, no, no. That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking 10 boxers. Canelo amongst the history. Has Canelo done enough.

Had does he already have enough in his catalog to say he is an arguably top 10 guy for sure. Really? Yeah. You already put the different weight classes that he's competing at. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. There's the star power. Watch and invite. I mean, do you know that good? Amazing. Really? But again, you want to invite Earl Spence or Terence Crawford? Yeah. Different promoters.

So we're never gonna get all I'm thinking right now is the scene in coming to America is like Rocky Massey on every time you want to talk about Joe Lewis you bring up Rocky Massey on Exactly Joe Lewis is asked that's where I'm out with this. Yeah, it's put Rocky on the list May weather wakes up and may with us says I'm the greatest of all time. Any argument? He's the only one that's undefeated. Is there anyone else that's completely undefeated?

Yeah, Marciano is the other one. No, who's Marciano is 40 men, but he's 50, you know, something like that. Marciano, Marciano, they're Rocky. Marciano, the difference is Floyd, once he got to that level, you're paying to watch him lose and he's very defensive fighter. He was fighting off his back, foot and super defensive. Yeah. Like didn't knock him, didn't finish anybody, but, you know paying to watch him lose and he's very defensive fighter. He was fighting off his back foot and super defensive. Yeah. Like didn't knock and didn't finish anybody.

But, you know, he said something. He says, everybody keeps talking about I dodge Pacquiao. I'm older than Pacquiao. You know, he's like, what are you dodging the guy? I'm older than the guy and I greet you. He should have beaten me the other way around. Pat, here's your next, here's your next business venture. And you're going to, we're going to partner with thick boy studios here to make this

happen. Clinch co brothers did this thing where you box one round and then you play chess in the second round and you either had to win by knockout or you had to checkmate. It's crazy thing out there over in the Ukraine. They got a lot of time in their hands, but we could do the same thing,

but you're gonna box one round and then you gotta come out and do a roast battle in the second round. That'd be fun. So you do a roast battle, so you roast each other and then you got a box peed day to the round. What's the word. What's the work? You know, why wouldn't work? Have you seen that? The one audio clip of Canelo that goes viral? Have you seen that on TikTok? The Canelo? You called me a motherfucker, right? And it's a dog. I had to tell me a motherfucker.

I had to say it came alive. Yeah. So Canelo, because if you did a roasting, Canelo is like his ability to roast. Yeah, and Triple G is going to be tough as well. Yeah, here's that big drama show. Personnel. Yeah. So that business model is after window fairly quick about it. Oh, man, I don't know. You got the box.

The point is boxing needs to figure it out. There it is. Pitching those ideas. Canelo brought something up the other day. Canelo said, he said, if Mayweather were to fight me at my peak versus his peak, I'd crush him. That's what Canelo said. Do you agree with that? I agree. I agree with Canelo fans. Really? So you think Canelo's peak beats Mayweather's beat?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A prime canal. Yeah. But Canelo's bigger than Mayweather, right? They're not the same weight class. They fought before and he beat him, but Canelo's 21 years old. So Floyd's fought before. Of course. But but canelo is 21. I didn't have the experience and Floyd was in his prime. So he got a young like fresh out of the gym canelo and Floyd was prime Floyd. He dominated. Do you think you think Floyd is the winner for the first part of that their fight? No, I think he was just downloading the data. I'm trying to figure it out and counterlapse some good shots. But he never really felt like he was in danger and all.

He could turn it on. No, he did get hit and then he was like enough enough. Yeah, and then went to work. Yeah, that's what I feel like. Same, but I also felt like it was like little like gentlemen's agreement. I'm not going to put it on you to first couple rounds here. I think he's smart and cerebral about it.

And was like, all right, we know the kid has a good left hand. It's sneakins coming from angles, we probably haven't seen in boxing. So, and that's what made Floyd great. Like, I'm gonna download the data and then pick it apart. So those first few rounds, he's downloading the data, Conor landed some, nothing too crazy, and then he just fucking ate him alive.

Now Logan Paul on the other hand. Logan Paul, I worked that, so I worked both those fights. With Floyd Mayweather, you know, I'm in the back, so I'm doing the interviews of Floyd. I went into Floyd's training room and he's hit and met. And that's the first time ever in my life, I went, oh, he looks 46 or whatever he is, 46 years old. He looks for himself.

I was like, oh my, yeah, gray and his bear. I'm like, oh, this, I can't miss. I'm like, he looks older, man. I was like, Logan might have a decent shot here. And I do think there was some sort of agreement, you know, not for him to just completely knock his ass out. Because even, you know, when I say I was ringside, I mean like I'm on the fucking ring sitting there watching them. And while, you know, they're announcing and Floyd's moving Logan kept saying it's an exhibition champ.

Remar, it's an exhibition champ. You tell me what is fucking. So you think Floyd wanted to knock his ass out. You could have. I don't know if he could. You tell me what is fucking so you think a boy wanted to knock his ass out of you. Kodab. I don't know if he could be probably a dismantling a little sooner but the bland but the problem is you're dealing with whatever is for I think it's 40 you're

dealing with a 46 year old man who's trying to fly it's time have you had him in here Floyd's time you do Logan's a big dude yeah and he's hanging on it's just awkward for what do you mean this is exhibition what's he trying to say what's what's what's what's hanging on. It's just awkward for Floyd. What do you mean? This is exhibition. What's he trying to say?

What's the messaging behind that? I just, yeah, I don't know. That's what he's saying. But just like, let's have fun. You know, I think, dude, let's have some fun. You're like, hey, let's have some fun, man. That's like Rocky III or IV when he's like following him. Robert Mebow.

Yeah, remember, it's just exhibition. It's just exhibition. But again, I think you'd have to be crazy. I think that thing was all fluke. And Floyd can knock him out in 30 seconds. Because Floyd's legacy to go six rounds with this fucking YouTuber. It's not great.

Now that I don't want that, if you just mean before you want to get him out of there in 30 seconds, he would have done it. That made him look great. I agree. This is there's a precedent. There's precedent for this, too, though. I would have done it. That made him look great. I agree. I'm going to sit on that. I'm going to sit on that. There's precedent for this too though. I mean, look at you talked about Ali. Look up Ali versus Lyle Alzado back in a day.

Lyle Alzado took Lyle Alzado. Lyle Alzado, the old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old. You think remembers. That was in Dember. That was in Dember at my high stadium. Do you remember Lyle Alzado? Of course I know. Lyle Alzado was the reason everybody in the world thinks steroids are back. I don't know how I stayed in. I don't know how I stayed in. I don't know how I stayed in. I don't know how I stayed in. I don't know how I stayed in. I don't know how I stayed in. I don't know how I stayed in.

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Give one you broke. You're going to give a lot when you're rich, right? Sure. If you're stingy when you broke, you're stingy when you're rich. If you're a dick when you broke, you're going to give a lot when you're rich, right? If you're stingy when you broke, you're stingy when you're rich. If you're a dick when you're broke, you're going to be a rich dick. It's what you're going to be. Right? Wait a minute.

So I think steroids makes you more of what you are today. If you're saying your brother's got a temper, let's just say if he gets on like that. We don't want him. No, no, we don't want him. If we don't deck a D ball or something like that. Like an old school gold gym stack like Deca Winchow Who's is it? Oh, dude? What did you say? Yeah? He's the reason we'd legal Seems like the nicest guys in smiling the whole time look for you

Brother professional bully for you. You're still scared of him. Oh, yeah, yeah, I want no problem He's great. We got any hecklers. You'll see him go through the crowd, man. What's the last time that you guys went wrestle? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank God you wouldn't be able to handle that. We wrestle. I wrestle with them fuck around with them,

but we haven't gotten a real fight since our kids. Jay, how tall are you, man? 362. You're 62? So when did he get bigger than you? When did that happen? In college. Oh, so you had a good run?

You had a good run, man. You had a good run, man. Yeah, I remember my dad used to believe me too. My dad was a big dude and I came back like fresh me or cause and I'm like, what's up now? It's all, I'm the man. It's all, I'm the man. I beat him in arm wrestling. Oh, you don't want to leave? For the first time, but I was 18, man.

And he was legitimately mad. Like legitimately angry. I mean, listen, I can see that. Question, question for you guys. So the product of sports, NBA, football, all of that that we got going on right now, NHL, you can fight, it's part of the game. Love it.

Totally chill. And you want to fight? Go for it. baseball used to be able to do that too. Well, baseball still has a little bit of that. That was just kind of cool, right? You know, you like to. I will tell you, if the highlights shows up ESPN, there is like a pitcher hits the player, you know, there's a broad, I'm

going to watch it. I'm watching it. I'm watching it. I'm watching it. I'm watching it. You're right. Brody MBA in the 90s. That's what I'm trying to do. Let me say, let me say, let me build an beer. The next baby, let me, let me tell you what I'm getting to, let me, let me tell you what I'm getting to you. Think there is a, uh, uh, business model for sports to say, look, here's what we're doing in the NBA. You get into the NBA, we're creating a new league called the FBA, okay? Fighting basketball association, whatever you want to call it, right? You can call it mixed martial arts, whatever.

But then here's a part, like some happens, you can fight, you go sit for 10 minutes, you come back in. You go to timeout, cool. And you do that in the NBA, or maybe a little bit of the NFL. Because back in the days, if you watch, what happened in Detroit Pistons, what happened with Lambeer, Barkley, Shackin Barkley? Now there's a thing.

There was something about it. You got suspended. Yeah. I saw a video idea that they've earned in Maxwell, runs up to the 16-row hits of fan interface. Now, obviously, that's cross underline. The guy got suspended. That's what the fan did.

But also awesome. There's a part of it that is right. I would rather have Ron Artes running up into fans of the palace than LeBron going, hey, hey, hey, they gotta go. They said something really mean to me. Please, kick them out. No, get out. You want fans getting knocked out by players?

You wrote the check. Yeah, but I the last thing the NBA wants is just that that's what that fighting with fans. They could use the ratings I think so I think they got a figure something out because what they're doing now with this soy boy like soft Well, movement, and it's like not working So I think you're You're the product but what they're doing now and then I felt it same thing to they're protecting their investments How are you so ready to rule all that stuff? The the soy boy the woke I'm with you 100%

They're in Hollywood they're in 100%. They're in Hollywood. They're in Hollywood, brother. They're in Hollywood. I don't have to deal with those woke boys when I do sets. Outside that, I'm surrounded by more like minds like me. There's a ton of people like me. What's it like working on those people? They're sitting like those. They're literally on the very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very But you got to realize what he said earlier. This is again the beautiful thing about what's going on in the marketplace right now.

The market can no longer bully you to tell you what you have to do. No. The market can no longer force you. Like you know how the whole casting couch, whatever, you know, used to be back in the days. You don't need to go through that no more. That's the whole market change. But also now somebody says, you got to take this job.

No, dude, I don't need to take this. I'm good. It's changing. I'm asking. It's changing. I'm asking sports, basketball. Do you think there is going to get to a point where, because you watch regular season today, the other day I posted a comment. I said, you know, if you followed Bleacher Report, ESPN Sports Center, if you followed any

of the Laker highlights, you would think Lakers are 36 and all. Because they only show LeBron's best highlights. And you go 117 to 102. LeBron and Lakers are one and five the last six games. So they're only showing highlights. You watch the game. It's the worst fantasy games.

The only game I enjoy watching today's Steph Curry. Only game. I agree. Everything else exciting. Hey guys, some breaking news. Betty White just passed. Oh, no way. Betty White. She didn't make it to 100. She was gonna be a hundred in January. But he went just passed. Damn. Are we that surprised fellow?

Yeah, is that right? Apparently the youngest guy here is surprised. So he's David. You're David. You're right. The broad test. That's brutal. To announce that I'm 99 year old and Betty White is like American by the way don't forget Harry read as well Harry on his behalf Harry and Betty White together do man They do they die. Yeah actually full disclosure I thought John Madden past years ago

Bro are you being sarcastic? I'm not even joking. How dare you? Bro I haven't seen John Madden live in decades. This was the wildest thing that's ever happened. Truth, when I found out John Madden died, like I was sad. And my brain is telling me out. My brain is like, bro, you've never met this guy. But my heart is like, I've never met this guy.

It's mad at the video game. Like, I felt like my uncle passed. You know the madden story? Do you know the madden story? Like, how would happen when he first signed? Like, they're gonna say, going to make a game after you? I know, I know he was like, he was like, kind of hesitant. He was like, I guess.

He's going to be big in the second. So the guy says, hey, buy the stocks. Okay, we're going to give it the opportunity to buy the stocks. He said, he calls us the greatest mistake of his lifetime. He says, buy the stock. And John's like, I don't care about buying the stock. He says, come do this. We're not going to pay you, but I'm telling you. Wow. So John's like, no, I'm at a point right. I'm John Madden. Pay me

up front. So John goes, they use his name for the game. He just gets an upfront check. And then I leave it. And it a process. And it a process. He's like, holy shit. I made a big mistake. Well, here's a part to which the story ends well, 14 years later, 14 years later, he goes and sits down. for the sports guys on what they did with them. He said, he says, listen, you guys been using my name. We got to make something work. EA Sports says, don't even worry about it.

We're going to buy your name and rights. You know what they paid them for the name and rights? 100 mil 150 million. 150 million. Yeah. So opposed to that Tony Tony Hawk has told this story where, you know, Tony Hawk, huge video of course. Yeah. Would they made the game?

He has all his friends in it. Before it releases, I don't know if he's the A sports but they came to him and said, we think this game's gonna be pretty good, man. We're just gonna pay you once and he goes, I was broke at the time they go, we're gonna give you 500,000 and that's like life chain. Yeah, I was making no money.

And he's like, nah, I think I'm just gonna take my chance and you'll give me a share of the sales for each game. Like, well, yeah, but we'll just give you like a million or 500 now and dude, you're rich. He's like, no, I don't want, I'll take my chances. Good for him. And then how much is he more handsome? Good for him.

Oh my God. Hundreds of millions. Still going. And his friends all make money off it too, because they're in the game. But they call it one of the greatest games of all time. Well, the famous story that goes in the other direction to show you guys all know is forming grill.

You know what, that happened. They wanted to give the whole thing. They wanted to hold the whole, hold the first. But he went with the energy trace. That's the way with the, uh, the blender. Cause like, he's like, a grill indoors. This is stupid. Who's ever gonna want to grill indoors?

So he goes with the blender. That's right. And then they go to George's former and like, ah, look, you got to have this grill. He's like, all right, whatever, put my name on it. Now, are they blaming COVID for Betty White, too? Or what are you doing here? I don't know.

He's got the breaking news. It was CNN's like COVID. Tyler has the article of it in TMZ. The actress comedian in American icon, Betty White has died just weeks before milestone. Birthday TMZ has learned law enforcement told in the NCB at a past that her home. Just before 9.30 AM, a trailblazer and pioneer media

Betty had the longest running career of any woman and TV prior to her dad starring in multiple shows over the last eight decades. Eight decades, starting all the way back to 1939. By the way, thank you for being a last thing. I mean, lasting power right there. Betty is perhaps the most famous for lead role in the role of the role of the Golden Girls,

which ran from 1985, 1992. She's been in tons of, by the way, have you seen Betty White's younger picture? Do you know what she looks like? She's a bad, can you put young, Betty White. She's been in tons of... By the way, have you seen Betty White's younger picture? Do you know what she looks like? She's like, hey, can you put young Betty White? She's been all three years. It's all Betty? Yeah.

Betty White. Baby, I'm sure you want to do it anyway. It's just happened, young Betty White. You know what's bullshit? Sex in the city is just golden girls after dark. It's just like a red point. It's bullshit. That's a young Betty White.

Beauty, man. Yeah. Good for her. You know that she was the face of the life settlement market. Well, she really, because of being my I have a business that he'd pat doesn't churns. I do like something called life settlements. It's like reverse insurance. Byron, you deal with fear. Yeah, exactly. She was the the face of the life settlement market for years. They paid her, you know, an up front deal, right? And a million bucks or whatever. And great career,

though. Well, Reston piece Betty White rest in peace, anybody that can last that long and anything you got to give him respect, they take it. Question, what do you think about the way NFL is right now, or the NBA right now is handling the COVID situation? You know, it's like suspended, suspended, suspended. I like that NFL did the thing where you're, if you're asymptomatic, they're not making a set out from the game. I give them a little leeway because when the the virus first came,

we didn't know too much about it. So they were going to kind of freaked out. And I like that then be a did the bubble. You got to take your hat off the day and a white for do, you know, not stopping. They aren't so many more fans doing that. Where's like, I'm not stopping this man. Hey, setter. Yes. So, um, you know, it's tough because at first we didn't know how to deal with this thing, but

now we know. So there being one more educated about it. I, you know, it made me a bigger fan of Aaron Rodgers the way he was dealing with things in the cancel culture came out of him. I bought it in Roger's jersey because of it. And, you know, it's ridiculous, man. It's ridiculous. He's double down, triple down, man.

Patty Mack goes on that show and he lets it fly. And we were talking about that. What was it? Yesterday this morning, yeah, we're like, do you think they're going to give him the MVP? He's clearly the MVP of the league. You think they have to? Yeah, they have to.

He's made it to that. They just can't even. They can. They's on on denial. You give to him and you give to a coupe for the LA Rams. You think he was on the radio? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, you don't think Ray was winning at this. No. Ray, he was favored up until about three games guys Aaron's dark horse is that perceptions all season two of the game or interceptions all season Oh, when it get to yeah Rodgers and Brady by the way if he wins it here's a best story if you win It comes if you wins it and then he goes wins the Super Bowl this season That's a great story for that. And NFL's gonna hate it if that takes place.

Favorite player of all time if he does that. Who? Favorite air Rogers. Yours. Yeah. If he does that, Favorite player of all time. Just spits in the face of it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Big fuck you. Love it. Yeah. The moment he did what he did, I bought his best rookie card. Yeah. I said, I support you, bro. Let's just get your best rookie card.

I'm gonna put in the safe. I hate the Packers. I'm from Denver. But I bought his fucking jersey and worked for a week. Yeah. And was hoping I'd show up to Starbucks in LA with the Swabies, hoping somebody would say something. I was looking for a scalp. Is that something that they do? Is that something that they do? Oh, really? Oh, if you don't have a mask on LA, dude.

Oh, really? They'll come up and say something. Oh, dude. Outside? No matter who you'll stop. They're walking outside. Yeah, I'd be on my bike because during the Heidi Kogan, when we down. Yeah, they lock down the trails behind my house the Santa Monica Mountains. I was in the middle of I'm talking nowhere the close first Probably 50 miles and people put a mask on we're in the running outside. Yeah, man crazy nuts. Well, I'm not now anymore. You saw the lady on the plate. Still has not like that, right? In restaurants or if you go in the Starbucks, you're on the mascot. I know you.

Indores. Indores they'll yell at you. Indores they'll do that. The caron. There's nobody worse than these progressive comedians, too, though, man. They won't say anything one on one, but once they get like a little bit of a group around them and they get like feeling a little bit tough, too, and you're in the ground. Who are like the big, progressive comedians?

I'm not going to name it. You don't want those problems. No, but I will tell you one story though. It's guys who can't say they to name it. You don't want those problems. No, but I will tell you one story. It's guys who can't sell tickets. Yeah, and the, there's a guy that you know that I'm not going to tell the story. Very, very, very popular now, but then he was great for a long time. But he wasn't really getting booked because of how kind of edgy he was. And there was a woman at a comedy club who ran.

She was a booker and she took that job way too damn seriously and she was like look when you on the night don't tell that joke about Trump this was years ago he goes you tell me what jokes I can't I can't tell and he goes yeah if you want to if you ever want to play here again you won't tell that joke about Trump he goes all right fine goes up looks to the side tells you all these goes so that's that bitch right there says I can't tell a joke about Trump what do you guys think she went nuts And he brought the house down. He's very famous now.

And he sounds like a New York guy. Yes. Yeah. So the, and he has really good Patreon. So anyway, the, this is Mitchell's already asked. So the, so anyway, the, um, one time I was telling a story, though, I, I, I, tell, I'll just be honest with it. These progresses I was talking about, I was at a story, though I'll just be honest with it, these progresses I was talking about,

I was at a club and there's like three shows in a row and you do your 10 minutes and you go back to the green room and then you do your 10 minutes. And I was still drinking at the time and I was getting pretty. Your showber now? Mostly. So I was drinking at the time.

I was drinking, I was drinking heavy at the time. Sure, and then some of the few whiskey deep and then we're three hours in and there have just been some sort of shooting and this girl is like pontificating about white people and guns and this and that. And she's white? Yeah, of course. And so finally, normally I could just keep my mouth shut and move it, keep it moving, but today I was just like, I can't. I would like, bro. Let me ask you a question. What's a more likely scenario that I would need a gun to kill you or that you would need a gun to stop me.

And you would have thought what I asked, everybody said, did you just threaten to kill her? How could you get into it? They made this whole big thing. I got kicked out of the club for life that I threatened this girl. I was like, I didn't threaten this girl. All I tried to do was explain to her that for the history

of our species being big, strong, and capable of violence was all you needed to be successful because of the rules that we have now, and capable of violence was all you needed to be successful. Because of the rules that we have now, and specifically because of firearms, people that are five foot a hundred pounds have just as much of a voice as anybody else. You should be the biggest two A.I. advocate out of everybody.

Have you guys seen a change leaving? Because you guys were in Texas, correct? And then coming to Florida, have you seen the same? I'm from a man. This is a lot more chilled even than Texas. Yeah, so but listen neither count neither Texas or Florida is even close to what? LA's sure. You're gonna hold it from world. LA when you're the epicenter of it. It's insane. What's going on over? Yeah. I feel

like I escaped the Soviet Union, bro. Yeah. Like I'd like this is paradise. We were on the boat yesterday, man. They're still lockdowns in New York right now. They're still mandates. I mean, it's it's crazy. But you got to know what's still mandates. Yeah, I mean it's it's crazy But you gotta know what's happening here. So here's what's going on with South Florida South Florida Miami the mayor Credit to him. I mean the guys are sorry. He's a beast his father was a mayor now. He's a mayor and If the Santa's runs a lot of people would like to see him potentially end up being a governor of Florida

Who knows if he's got that kind of expression? He should run for president Yeah, he may do that. He. Who knows if he's got that kind of expression? He should run for president. Yeah. He may do that. He may do that where he's at. He may take that route. Yeah. You can skip some levels.

Well, here's what he did. Miami's become the crypto capital of the U.S. That's what they're talking about. So Miami is now the place where people are coming for crypto. New York was the financial capital. They may keep it that way. They're trying to make it here. A lot of guys are moving out here.

Texas ain't going away. Texas on a golf score, if you want to raise kids, great place to be. If you like a little bit of lifestyle, you're more here. So if California and Texas had a baby, it'd be Florida. South Florida. Yeah. So California and Texas had a baby. It'd be Florida. Yeah. You get into water, get the lifestyle, and you get the taxes. The tax benefits regulation, no one bothers you. So they just got to make sure they keep it that way. What were it said today? By the way, did you hear who's the highest paid government employee in America today?

Oh, it's a foul. So the good doctor himself. Highest paid government employee, his pension alone. They just came out with his pension alone. What's his pension plan, by the way? 350 a year? 350 a year, Fauci, okay? He said he will not retire until the pandemic is over.

I'm sure many people are happy about that. His retirement package is shaping up to be the largest federal retirement package in US history. $350,000 are auditors that open the books.com, estimate Dr. Fauci's retirement would exceed $350,000. That's what he's gonna get. Tell you what, if Jakecom estimate Dr. Fauci's retinal would exceed $350,000. Tell you what, if Jake Paul fights Dr. Fauci, I'm on, I'm team, I'm team Paul. All of a sudden, you know what, I wouldn't mind seeing,

let's get a realistic fight. I would mind seeing Rand Paul fight. That's what I'm saying. Would you pay to watch 100%. I'd pay to watch it. I'd pay to low, man. Rand Paul's a seasoned vet at this point. His neighbors been trying to take him over years.

And by the way, I would put, I'd put $2 million for the winner if Fauci and Red Paul are so far. They already know you've got $5 million in the can when it's a different one. How did you just want to see an actual verbal debate like they've done in, and the test and their names over there. But can you imagine those two guys fighting? It'd be obviously be very, Fauci's the size what out of time he's 80 right 20 is 80 years old 81 years old. I think he's five six. He's a sprightly anyone though

But he says he was a basketball star in high school. Oh, there he was again. We're loose with the term star He claims that circle that's why Yeah, that's he claims that circle. That's when that's when Jews and Italians were running the NBA in the 1930s. Yeah, who's who's the commissioner in the NBA now? Silver out of that. I don't know how much has changed then who Who's talking about? Yeah, yeah, of course. Stern Silver. We talking about they're saying to you. Just yeah, who's's running the NBA? No, but who would you run the NBA? I think you're right. I think you're right.

I think you're right. I think you're right. You know the whole conversation. You want to make it in Hollywood shut your face. Yeah. That's what they told me years ago. I'm still fed. We're coming down to the end of it.

But at the beginning, I asked you guys a question about, you know, what sports tougher, right? We're talking about the players, you know, MLB, NBA, all this other stuff. Go to 90s. Okay. 90s. If Nolan Ryan and Michael Jordan fight. Oh, love it. If Nolan Ryan and Jordan fight, who takes it? So this is Jordan Beats the shit out of.

Jordan Ryan. Michael, I know, I know. I love Nolan Ryan too. I like what he stands for. Robin and Toro, we better get him. Michael Jordan is going to destroy Nolan Ryan. Who's he fighting Steve Kerr? God, it's the greatest athlete of all time is Michael Jeffery Jordan.

How big is Nolan Ryan's way bigger than you guys? Nolan Ryan's a big dude. Nolan Ryan is a big dude, but Michael Jordan is a sociopath. The dude throws 110 miles an hour. You don't think he could throw a hook. First of all, the speed throw. And which is it? Kobe said, Kobe said, I had big hands, but not the biggest. I was quick, but not the quickest.

I was fast, but not the fastest. I could jump, but I couldn't jump the highest, right? All of those things he said, Michael, we replaced the sentence like this. I had the biggest hands. I had the fastest first that I was the quickest and I jumped the highest. And I love your ass, right?

The ultimate narcissist. Anyway, well, dude, you bring it back to the back of the day, the American Gladiators and stuff. There was video game monster league. Like all that stuff. Nitro? Yeah, dude, I know that this is a joke and we're like super, you know, manly on today's podcast,

but I do. You talk about 10 years. I think that's manly. Yeah, manly on today's podcast, but I do, you talk about 10 years. I think he has manly. Yeah, manly around here. God damn it. Shit, dude. But the, in 20 years, man, do you think there's even freaking contact sports?

Yes. Honestly, yeah. And the Fels going somewhere. You think he's going somewhere. You think you're gonna be able to touch the quarterback in 20 years. You think you're actually gonna be able to sack the quarterback in 20 years.

Yes, that's kind of how the whole point of the freaking game. What do you think? Like you have seen it all out 20 years from now. Running around and there's all way. All arena dresses are there. Are there a lot of kids out there playing tackle football in the streets anymore? There are a lot of kids. Like when we were growing up, you can you can go down any block. You can see kids riding their bikes bicycles on the side of the street And then people playing tackle football in the park on the pavement. One was the last time you saw a kid doing it. What was that? That's what I'm talking about. I would I would get my air. We would play in the fucking grass. Yeah, well, you're also a soy boy.

I do. We'd play tackle football on the grass. There's no skin on anybody's knees up there. Bing Bong. So what I'm talking about is Bro, when was the last time you saw kids riding their bikes anywhere, man. That's all I said. I know what sound like a whole thing. I see games of my kids. I see games of my kids. First of all, neither one of you guys have kids. Kids ride bike. Yeah, kids ride bikes. So I don't want to interrupt you, but I'm with Brandon. This was the blast. I'm really enjoyed it. Pleasure to be coming out. Definitely really enjoyed it. Thank you. Thank you everybody. Bye bye, bye, bye, bye.

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