PBD Podcast - Brian and Ed Krassenstein | PBD Podcast | Ep. 299

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

Today Brian and Ed Krassenstein join the PBD Podcast. They are twin brothers who are writers, entrepreneurs, and social media personalities who became well-known as Resistance Twitter activists protesting the presidency of Donald Trump by frequently responding to Trump's tweets. Get Your Tickets for The Vault 2023 NOW ⬇️⬇️ The BIGGEST EVENT in VT History! *TOM BRADY, MIKE TYSON & PATRICK BET-DAVID on one stage!* https://www.thevault2023.com/vault-conference-2023?el=YTPODHTEP Subscribe to: Adam Sosnick - @ValuetainmentMoney Vincent Oshana - @ValuetainmentComedy Tom Ellsworth - @bizdocpodcast Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/ Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I Did you ever think you were I know Yeah This life meant for me. Here, here, here, why would you plan on July it, but we got bad days. Now you came in, getting values, could take this word on yourpreneurs, we can't no value that they did. I didn't run home, you look what I've become.

I'm the humble one. One of those days, Pat. So listen, today's podcast is going to do one of two things to you. Either your blood pressure is going to go super high. They got to go around the doctor, because these guys have a tendency of increasing blood pressure. Yeah. Where people on the right, that's what they their business model. Some would say is that I'll read a couple of their tweets or you're going to sit there and say, you know, I like these guys. I like what they have to say. But regardless, we're going to have a good show. Brian and

Ed Crasenstein. Brian is the one in the yellow. He's a righty. Okay. Ed is the one in the left in the white. He's a lefty. Right. I want to get these facts right. We got it out there. If they were to arm wrestle who would win? Who would arm wrestle? I win all the time. That's the signature now. Okay. So we don't know that this we will maybe we'll do a lot of things in point for us to figure that's really the whole purpose of today's podcast But we did say if you said wrestling you didn't even has it yeah, you just like I'm gonna take them out no problem

Okay, so we'll figure this part out luck again American twin brothers who are writers entrepreneurs and social media personalities that you reside in Fort Myers floor to hopefully no one's affected because I know the whole Hurricane is kind of come in that side that side 50 miles will see what happened there. Graduated from Rutgers University University, I think you guys grew up in Jersey right? 2004 with degrees in economics, I think that's the problem because you went to Rutgers. I now understand why you guys believe in what you believe in. It totally makes sense.

They gained fame during the presidency of Donald Trump by replying to Trump's Twitter account very often. I think did you guys ever get blocked by Trump? We did. We're actually on a lawsuit to get unblocked by the Night Institute. I think it was a Night Institute and he had to unblock us. He had to unblock us. So now you're unblocked. So the last we he put up, the muckshad that he put up, you could actually see it and respond to it.

Any of you guys were suspended from Twitter in 2019 for jet allegedly operating fake accounts, you guys denied the allegations in December 2022, your accounts were reinstated by the great Elon Musk. Fantastic, great time to you guys on the podcast. Great to be here. So if you don't mind, take a minute and kind of give a little bit about your backgrounds to, I mean, I read what's here, but there's obviously a little bit more to it How you guys came about, you know how you all of a sudden, you know through tactics of let me just read a couple of your tweets So the audience knows who you guys are this this is a tweak guys just check your blood pressure for a second here was this tweet I'm on whatever this is you you can time it. This is a

Trump being arrested Tuesday, okay, so this is gonna be last few months Trump being arrested Tuesday. Okay, so this is going to be last few months. Former president Trump says he will be arrested on Tuesday. Alvin Bragg, Wolland item, Hillary Clinton was never arrested. Hunter Biden was never arrested. Is it fair to say lock him up? Is it fair to say Trump indictment is justice? Is it fair to say that Republicans are wrong?

Is it fair to say I told you so? Is it fair to say I told you so? Is it fair to say that Trump is a cult? If you still support this man, yes, exclamation. Let me read another one for you. Okay, let me read another one for you. I love the passion. And there we go. That was it. That was it. Okay, next breaking the secret services closing the White House cocaine investigation. Don't get me wrong. No one should have cocaine in the White House, but I find it a bit ridiculous to hold a press conference about it as if Russia just nuke New York City.

Imagine if our president's worried as much about homelessness, mental health, hate crimes, income inequality, and our national debt as they do this tiny bag of cocaine, right? Now, you know, somebody may say, well, they got a point over there. Anyways, I can read a bunch of your tweets here on what you say. Tell us how you guys got started to get your fame that you have to do on Twitter. Yeah, so I mean, so we have a business background. We ran several businesses, kind of jump back and forth between different technologies, 3D printing, AI, stuff like that. 2016 Trump decided he's going to run for president. We didn't like what he is saying. Actually,

our father worked for Trump for 10 years in Atlantic City. We knew his background. We knew kind of how... You have a good experience or a bad experience?'m not good or bad. I mean just realist. What did your father do for that? He was in charge of marketing for the Taj Mahal. When? Van Crouse. Yep. He worked there from 1990 to 2000. Then left and they went bankrupt several years after that.

But like we had a first hand look at look at how he ran his businesses. And it kind of devastated the area. He screwed over a lot of contractors. So when he decided he'd run, I thought he was probably going to be more on the liberal side. And maybe he was kind of an act that he was going to, that he was just pretending to be more conservative.

A lot of the rhetoric I didn't like, I was. What did you think he was was gonna run as a liberal? Just his background. Like, I mean, he's pushed for... Because he ripped a lot of people off and realistic, right? Right out of the York. That's an interesting assessment.

You put it in. Well, I kind of thought, because he was so mean and ripped people off, he would run as a lefty. No, no, no. But like, I was having his son, my wife was pregnant, his wife was pregnant. Just had the right. Okay, by the way, no, no. But like I was having a son. My wife was pregnant. His wife was pregnant.

Just hit that character. By the way, just be pure, forgive me. Neither one of you guys are gay. And you're not. You're both gay. OK, I got it. My apologies. I thought one of you was gay.

I just want to make sure we get it out there. I mean, nothing wrong with it. Nowadays, LGBTQ, gay, all that stuff. But go ahead. So it just pissed me off that the rhetoric heookie is using a lot of things he is saying. I thought it was divisive. I just rubbed me the wrong way. I started tweeting, fact checking his tweets, and it's kind of just snowballed from there.

People like what we were saying, and we gained a file on it. When was it, when you're like, boom, was there a moment where you said something that was picked up, was somebody retweeted it? You guys have had some interesting followers. You got a lot of people that follow you guys a lot of influencers that follow you guys It was never a moment. The moment it was just like a gradual build up over time We started replying to his tweets. We kind of figured out the algorithm on Twitter to make it so error replies Which show up at the top? So over time people would start liking our tweets and following us and it's just kind of snowballed. So when did you learn how to be annoying and like get

under people's skin? And I mean by trolling because trolling is a single nowadays, right? For example, I think Jake Paul is a troll today, no, why? Right? I think there's a, you know, he was at least, he's come down a little bit the last 12 months certain people there is a like Takashi Six-nine. He's a troll right? I mean if you go through some of these guys these guys are you could argue that Elon Musk is Yeah, one of Donald Trump's the greatest one of the greatest I think Trump is probably the goat of troll Right, there's a business model in trolling. I think that's where you guys really reached famed now You know you guys okay would be a label as trolls. But does that kind of bother you? I would say that the old crash of science before the ban. Yeah, I think that was more trolling. I

There's tweets you read. I don't think they're trolling. They're asking questions starting a conversation Yeah, but if you go back to 2018-18-18-19 I think that a lot of our Replies to Trump that we could get to the top. I think you could definitely consider them. Why change the way changes? Why change the approach if it works? So I don't know if it did work.

I kind of I mean it worked in that people started following it. But so we were off a Twitter for like three and a half years or so. What was the tweet that got you guys off a Twitter? It wasn't a tweet. They actually said that we bought our accounts. So we renamed our accounts. We built up these accounts. We renamed them.

There was like, in peach Donald Trump and something else, like Donald Trump exposed. More importantly, what was the tweet that, if you were trolling Trump for years, you didn't get off Twitter till 2019. He started in 15, 16, whenever Trump was running. What was the one tweet that finally, he's like, enough of these two brother Yahuz, what was the tweet that he started in 15, 16, whenever Trump was running. What was the one tweet that finally is like, enough of these two brother Yahoo's. What was the tweet that he got in the block?

Brian had an infamous Super Bowl tweet. Yeah, so it was like, I don't know, it was at Rams and somebody playing it. You had to go back to 2019 or something like that, 18 maybe. And I said, some of you are rooting for the Rams, some of you are rooting for the Rams some of you are rooting for the I don't know giants. I'm here rooting for Robert Moller and the Royal Law. I know it's totally a joke you know but it pissed off so many people and it went viral and I think that's how a lot of people define it. So who were you guys in high school? Like if I was in high school with you who were you guys? Like if we're in 10-11 grade, we're in class, we're sitting

right next to each other. Who are you guys? I mean, I wouldn't, I think we're pretty, pretty much the average high school student didn't do any sports, didn't, I was kind of too small for that. Yeah, I don't know, I guess maybe, like I make people laugh sometimes. What could, because the reason why I asked that is, like if I think about who Vinny was, I can

visualize who Vinny was, right? I can see how, you know, in high school he was a 4.6 GPA, you know, staying close to the teacher. You actually had a very good GPA. I was in high high on her. But he's been a funny guy. He's been a guy that's joke, made people laugh, people want to be around. When I think about Adam, I remember in sixth grade when he was teaching the principal of the school, she was 38 years old. So, Adam's had that reputation for minutes since he was in sixth grade. So, it is what it is. But after class, were you guys like the ones that got under the teacher's skin, were you the one that got under the the the jack, the the quarterback that was leading the way. Like what, what dynamic was there any glimpses that we can look back from 2019, go back to high school and say, now I see it.

You got to say there was something. I don't think so. Like I really don't. Really? I mean, we, we joked around a lot. Like probably some teachers, we got under their skin a little bit, but other teachers, they probably love this. Did you get under your dance skin?

Did you piss off your dad? Did dad ever be like, you guys got to knock this office a little too much? Did you piss him off? I think just us fighting with each other as kids. So that's what it was. So I have two sons, and my two oldest sons are 11 and nine, and they know how to get under each other's skin very well.

And in one video, I saw Andrew and Tristan say something publicly, they said, we made a decision a long time ago that we no longer make fun of each other to get on their other skin because it just doesn't work. When was that moment for you guys who does this still happen today, except it's just in behind closed doors? So our last fist fight was probably when we were like 23. How long was it like two years ago? That's right, 2004 Rutgers. Yeah.

You're 41. Yeah. Good for you. So 23 was a last fist fight. I think that one. Who won? Who won? He locked himself in the bathroom. I punch the hole. Hey, go ahead. Is that a good store? Well, no, that's a soft. No, it was a little more detailed. Same size. You're locking yourself in a bathroom. I'm like, I'm a four inch detailed. Same size. You're locking yourself in a bathroom. Take this guy out. I'm like a four inch

taller. He's about two pounds heavier. Okay, fair fight. Basically what it comes out yet. Why are you locking yourself in a bathroom when I've got the last hit and I'm like, you know, it's a zoa with tagger. Yeah. Pretty much. Okay. So, so tell us your

your how you came to your political ideology that you have. You know, how you believe in what political ideology that you have, you know, how you believe in what you believe in. Obviously, you know, university got a hold of you early on, Rutgers, they're gonna give you what they're gonna give you. Your dad probably working with Trump and marketing Taj Mahal 10 years, and them shutting it down and a bunch of people losing jobs,

those people who lost jobs are probably never gonna have anything good to say about Trump, but that happens all the time where people have to make certain decisions that happens in the world of business. But what were some of the influences on why you guys seem to not only dislike, but you can't stand a figure like Donald Trump. So, so for me, I think half my family were Republicans. Other, like my dad's side was where Democrats, my mom's side were all Republicans. I really didn't care about politics. I didn't vote until Trump Hillary. I never voted before that.

And I really didn't care about politics. Like Obama, McCain, I, Obama, Romney, I didn't really have too much of a preference. I probably supported Obama. I just probably just because I thought he was a cool guy, but I didn't really have too much of a political opinion on things. And I think Trump kind of made me start focusing on politics, probably just because he was such a big character and somebody who had such strong opinions, and I feel like he kind of took the party in a different direction. And previously I was like, okay, I'm kind of moderate. I don't really care one way or the other. I mean, these things didn't really affect me yet. I was just getting out of college,

just moving down here to Florida. So I think Trump kind of pushed me into politics and kind of made me more left-leaning, I would say. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much the same for me. Like my wife was more into it than I was. And like I started paying attention. I think I actually voted for Obama, but I was very like in decisive. I didn't, I mean, you were ready to vote for McCain. Yeah, I mean, I, I easily could have seen myself voting for McCain. Um, I think from a business standpoint, I was more right-leaning from a social

social issues side, I think, more left. How much of this is an act, like going after Trump? How much of it is an act because it worked, it's effective, and you know how to say this stuff. But behind closed doors, you like listening to guys about us. He's doing what he's doing. He's one in business, one in media, 15 years show, you know, apprentice, he's become a president. Who the hell has ever done that in the history of America where, you know, maybe there's some kind of respect for it, but it's an easy target. We go after him right now and that's going to help us get our eyeballs for the business.

I'd say it's not a neck, definitely not a neck. For sure, because a lot of people say that they're, no, even Kyle Kulinsky, who we've had a mom before, you guys know Kyle Kalsy. Yeah, even Kyle Kulinsky who we've had a mom before you guys know Kyle Kalsy Is it fair to say Kaiser like a left? He's probably I would say he's left of being a liberal. I would say he's a full-on like social I think so yeah, I think so I Artographs right there behind yeah, I think Kyle would be somebody that's left of left Yeah, and he's pretty hardcore out there, and he's a progressive. Even he doesn't know if this is an act,

because for him, he should sit there and kind of be more on your side, but he's not a fan, and he's a guy on the left of left. He thinks he's an act. Some other people have said it's an act. If it isn't act, it's worked very well. If it is real, then tell me why it is real. Like, what do you really not like about this guy?

I just think that like everything that comes out is mouth is divisive. And and the politics aside, like I get the politics, I can understand a lot of the views from the right and how they relate to those on the left. It's just his divisiveness. I feel there's a lot of hatred that's being brewed under what he's saying. I think that's the biggest thing. If he was less divisive,

I could see myself maybe not voting for another Republican, but I could definitely see myself understanding them and at least considering it. So based makes sense. So based on what you're saying, it's less his policies, it's more approach you don't like. Got it. So you like his policies, you just don't like him as a person. I don't like his, I don't like him. I'm a Republican. We just, okay, folks, we just made an announcement here.

Change the Wikipedia, the Republican brothers, the President stands. But how much of that you guys think was the media? I mean, you guys are intelligent guys. How much do you think that the media played a role? Can I, I've seen it so much. We were talking about earlier how the, my black friends now are turning,

especially with all these indictments in the arrest that are telling me like, dude, literally a phone call two days ago when my friend was like, bro, I'm kind of all Trump, Hater, drank the cool late. He was selling the fucking cool late. He was like, then he, I snow, I get what you're saying. How much of that do you guys think played a part because the media brought their gangsters? I know what they're doing. They made people. The media sucks. I think the media is just as bad and both sides of the media I think. But I feel you know, as president, you're not supposed to play into that. And that's, I mean, some would say

that's Trump's flaws. Other people would say that's Trump's strength. But I think the fact that he came out, basically the first day on the campaign trail, I think, calling the media the enemy of the state or the enemy of the people. But he also called Democrats that. 100% no, I don't think. 100% but in all fairness, he was right in the sense that not only were they fake news and the enemy of the people, which I think if you act the way that they act and you put on false stories and shit, 100% of the enemy of the people.

And then before even got in, the whole media inclusion with FBI and Obama, 100% of the enemy that people, and then before even got in, the whole media in collusion with FBI and Obama, every Hillary, everybody at the DNC, they're all spying on the guy, they're all trying to like get him out of the office before he got in. How pissed off would that make you, be honest? You win fair and square Russian collusion, I don't care when people are still like, but there was ads on Facebook. Trump did not need Facebook and Russia to be Hillary, the most unlikeable human being on the planet.

Why don't you be pissed off if you were him at everybody including the media, before you even came in, that swamp was circled around you and everybody was coming at you. Yeah, I mean, but I think it's kind of like the chicken or the egg, right? Like who started it?

Who started throwing the food at each other, right? Okay. And I think as president or somebody running for president, I think you have to be bigger than that. I mean, I mean, I think why do you say that? Is it because we're just Americans just like, because we get screwed over, you guys know this? Every presidency, every government, we're getting it.

But for more, you guys just say, yeah, but people, Americans like to be coddled. And even though they're getting it. But for more, you guys just say, yeah, but people, Americans like to be coddled and, you know, even though they're getting screwed, you know, they want, you know, they want an appetizer, but they want to be taken out to, like, I would rather have somebody that just doesn't sugarcoat anything and it's just right in your face. We're used to the, the nice while we're getting screwed, Trump doesn't do the appetizers or anything. Trump was just in your face and telling you the truth. And I feel like that, like you said, we're used to nice, kind, tell us what we want to hear.

Trump didn't have time for any of that, bro. He's a businessman and he was right in our face. Yeah, and I think that's why so much of the country likes Trump and so much of the country, this likes Trump because people have different ideals of what the president should be. And Trump doesn't fit into that box for so many people, but he's that refreshing change for other people. Yeah, I agree.

So would you guys consider yourself a Trump haters? Like, do you guys hate the guy? No, I don't hate him. And like, we made this, like, when we came back on Twitter, we said it didn't really accomplish anything. When we were trolling him, if you want to call it that, I feel all it did was make a whole bunch of people in the right pistol of us,

and a whole bunch of people in the left that just reinforced their ideas. So when we came back, we said, hey, let's at least create a dialogue and maybe do things a little bit differently. If Trump comes back and starts tweeting or posting on X, whatever you want to call it, I don't think we're going to behave the same way as we did in it, I don't think we're going to behave

the same way as we did in 2019. I don't think it's going to accomplish anything if we do. Has your opinion about him at all changed since 2016 on how the media treated him, how they, you know, things they said about him, the Durham report, you know, even Jake Tapper coming, if you can play the Jake Tapper clip because, you know, a lot of times people will say, what about the Durham port? What about this? And what about that? And you know, they just don't want to talk about it. But then here's a clip from Jake Tapper who is as a, you know, face of the left for, you know, when it comes on to mainstream media, he's got credibility with the left. And here's what he said. And even his panels pissed off when he's saying, let's go ahead and play this clip.

This first one is about the Durham report. You can play this and then we'll go to the next one. Okay, go ahead. Regardless, the report is now here. It has dropped. And it might not have produced everything of what some Republicans heard from. It is regardless devastating to the FBI and to a degree,

it does exonerate Donald Trump. Regardless, that's Jake Tapper saying that devastates the FBI. It's not like it hurts the FBI. Devastates the FBI and then he hears him talking about the deal with Biden's watch this one. I'm sure you guys have seen this. Can we get the audio on this about Joe Biden from earlier this month, noting that Hunter Biden admitted in court in July,

that he was in fact paid substantial sums from Chinese companies. Kessler wrote Hunter Biden reported nearly 2.4 million in income in 2017 and 2.2 million in income in 2018, most of which came from Chinese or Ukrainian interests. And this directly goes against what Joe Biden said in the debate in 2020 with Donald Trump. Take a listen. My son has not made money in terms of this thing about what are you talking about? China. What you not have asked is President.

He made a fortune in Ukraine and China in Moscow. That is simply areas of the place. So it's from two different debates, but I mean Trump was right. I mean, he didn't make a fortune from China and Joe Biden was wrong. I don't know that he was lying about it. He might not have been told by Hunter, but this blind spot is a problem. It's a problem one because the publicans aren't going to let it go. That's for sure. So if you want to pause this and by the way,

so we knew watched this and you see what's happened. For many years, a lot of people believe that something happened with Trump and Russia, and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on He took the money and says, I never, he's never taken money from anybody. And I know for your, your arguments going to be, well, what about the fact that cushion or did that deal with this? I'm targeting specifically this argument here. Has anything with you changed to say, shit, bro, like if you guys are talking with each other brothers being close doors, we're kind of wrong about Russia and this guy. And we're kind of wrong about the Biden and that and what position are we going to take now?

We have to kind of be careful on the approach we take moving forward because we could lose our credibility or Did you guys and I didn't follow all the process maybe guys that did you come out and say look we were kind of wrong about XYZ and now we're going to move on So like Russia so I mean you could say that Trump was right and he was exonerating which he was right like I mean there were no charges filed But but you say there's nothing going on with Trump and Russia isn't entirely true either. I mean, Paul Maniford, his campaign manager, literally handed campaign data to a Russian spy,

and Roger Stone was working with WikiLeaks to get Hillary's emails released, and Trump specifically asked Russia to release the email. So, I mean, there's definitely questions there, right? Well, and I don't think Trump did himself any favor by the way he acted and kind of, kind of led those in the left on and kind of pushed this theory. He was basically calling for WikiLeaks who really see emails. He was firing James Comey in the midst of this investigation. So, like, I think it's a combination of, yeah, there were some links to me. Like that gave more ammo

to the other side to say, you see, you see, you see, I got you. Okay. And I mean, like, so you had these actions where he was kind of tied to Russia. I mean, was it criminal? Probably not. Like, I don't think it, but brother, there's a there's a there's a difference between you know something where Do you have an inconclusive evidence that this guy's you tied to Russia, you know, Shif comes out. Yeah, you know, and we have this and the Dastier later on comes at us from Hitler. Do you know how dark that is like? To to say the opponent to be that level of darkness, Hillary, for the 35 million to find anything

that was supporting on the back end, Biden was the one that his kid was getting money from Ukraine and Russia, but it's almost, so the question a lot of people ask on the right is, whatever they do, they say you did to put it on you and it puts all the pressure, but the entire time they were doing it. That gets people who like, there's three camps right now in America. Let's break down the camps.

What are the chances of you voting for Trump in 2024? Zero. Okay. What are the chances of, you know, others voting for Biden in 2024? Zero, right? Then we have the camp, put 40, 40 on each side, put 45, 45 on each side, put whatever number you want on each side, 47, 44, we've heard about the, the plower bowl, you know, we've heard about what all these commas have been made

both sides. Let's put them there. There's a camp in the middle, some of the center left, thems, okay, libertarians, independents, who are either going to sit there who say things like, my voice doesn't matter, like, you know, I've a guy here who I've known for 20-something years, he says, what matters if I vote? Yeah, he doesn't have an audience to say anything what he votes or not. But if somebody who has a voice says, what the, what difference does it matter for me not to vote, you actually have an, you're enforcing others not to vote, right? But for the person that doesn't have any influence and says, what's what difference does it matter for me not to vote you actually have an all you're influencing others not to vote right but for the person that doesn't have any influence and says what's the difference with me voting or not voting or you know what maybe

I'm gonna be voting I don't if I like what Biden is doing I don't know what Trump is doing this is kind of weird to the people that are in the middle who maybe didn't vote for Trump who are not Trump people they're sitting in there and they're saying, look man, so first you do what? On this day, it does this, then you do this the next day, on this day, now man, you guys are targeting. Like even if you're from that camp, you're either supportive of the fact that they're targeting

him or you're sitting there saying, guys, this is your cross in the line a little bit. You're almost making me wanna like Trump. I can't believe you're little bit. You're almost making me want to like Trump. I can't believe you're doing this. We're almost getting a guy like me who would have never voted and let you say people are saying this, who would have never voted from to say, I'm going to support this guy,

because I think you guys are shady. Do you see a part of that happen in America right now, like even with the whole, the muck shot where, you know, different rappers are coming out and support of Trump and you're doing what they did to us. And, you know, some rappers are coming out and support a Trump and you're doing what they did to us. And, you know, some of the people are sitting there saying, you know, names of rappers that would have never done anything like this who are now coming up. Many of the followers, Chief Keith or, you know, Benny DeButcher, these are not like, you

know, rappers who claim their thugs. These are rappers who are, came from England. And, you know, Keith is an Inglewood guy at an office in Inglewood every time I went to Inglewood my office not an L.A. but Inglewood Chicago. That was a interesting place to come out of and like no we're back in him and we're doing this

a bunch of guys little pump. These are names that are coming out supporting him because they're saying we now relate to you because what they're doing to you we've been going through with our justice system for years and we're feeling your pain and they're doing to you, we've been going through with our justice system for years and we're feeling your pain and we're going to come back and support

you. I think we've got to wait. Let's see what happens. Let's see if he gets convicted. If he's found not guilty or if he's exonerated anyway, the trials, he gets off anyway. I think, yeah, I mean, that definitely is going to play a huge factor. But I mean, if he's found guilty in any of the trials, or at least half of them, right, I think it was warranted. But don't you feel it's a little weird, though, that not only the timing,

they just they just announced that he has trial. They made it go to the week before Super Tuesday. The day before. The day before I apologize. The day before I apologize the day before so like like it's It's it's scary to see how cuz mind you they're they're going after him for Talking about cheating which I I saw a clip yesterday of Eight minutes of just Hillary and everybody in the media cheating Donald Trump cheated cheated It just goes on and on on so he's basically saying that they cheated in 2020, which I mean, we've seen videos of ballot harvesting and all that stuff, which there was, technically they were cheating. Meanwhile, they're using the Department of Justice right now to actively cheat and go after

a political opponent. So if like you have to be blind to see what's happening and I think people are waking up to the fact it's like they know that he is way too popular. He's gaining popularity by the day. I just we talked about this before you guys walked in. I don't know what the left is up to, but I don't know that's their main thing to not have him run because he's getting more popular. Like, do you guys see how they're kind of using like the Department of Justice to go after this guy? I mean, if you think that there's nothing in between there and Biden's just saying, hey,

Marik Garland, and go after him, then, yeah, but that's not how it works. You can have this theory that there's all these discussions taking place behind the scenes, but there are separations, there's separations, powers, there's the courts have to decide, hey, a judge needs to sign off on a warrant, a subpoena, there's a grand jury, there's four independent grand juries, and they've all indicted him. And yeah, you can say it's easy to indict somebody.

It's supposed to be, they're all in the same, I mean, they think about it. They're all Democratic run cities, they're all Democratic. They're all, I think the, I think the better question is this. So imagine you put four tweets, okay, and you target John Dole, where you target anybody. Exactly 24 hours after those tweets, you all of a sudden get sued. You think there's a pattern there or you think that's accidental and coincidental. If you think that's accidental and coincidental, you're really are man of faith. You really believe in, you know, can you play this video I just said? I just want you to watch this here. I mean, this is this is just a clip for

you to watch and I sincerely want your real reaction to to this to say, no, this was all a coincidence. If he can just play this. Allentian's community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. Then April 4th, the Manhattan DA, Albin Bragg, and Dietstrum in that hush money case. Soon as they, even for a practical supposedly hard-nosed business man,

he's being really dumb to do this. Then the very next day, look at this, Jack Smith and Dietstrum in the Mar-a in the Marlatha document case July 27th. Jack Smith adds more charts in the Marlatha. They are very upset with how he has treated them. The very next day, Jack Smith,

the dice trump to the January 6th case later in the afternoon or that night and evening, Folk and County D.A. on the list, the charges trump and 18 others in the afternoon or that night and evening, full of heavy D.A. on the list, charges dropped in 18 others in the Georgia 2020 election program. Yet another set of indictments.

I feel great, just great profound sadness that we have a former president who has been indicted for so many charges that went right to the heart of whether or not our democracy would survive. You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday, getting back at you. Okay, so Chuck Schumer gave actually very good counsel, right, but here's a question.

Brother, I mean, Brian, five different times, the day something bad news comes about Biden's the next day You have a sick mother that is so bold like you are no longer hold them back and worried about average People in the public voters to say that hey guys can you guys make it a little less obvious? You like I don't want this Trump guy to win But you make a little too obvious that my friends are saying this. I don't really know what to talk to these guys right now. So like flip it around though. Why are you saying that? So you have the political side

with going at your Hunter Biden, right? So they're conducting all these interviews that they're conducting investigations. They know about when any indictment's going to come. We knew that the Fanny Willis was going to come sometime in August. You're saying that the judicial branch and the court systems are going after Trump because this Hunter Biden news is coming out. It's much more likely that the political side, the house is going after Hunter Biden around the same time to cover the media coverage of the Trump indictment. I wouldn't say much more likely, but I'd say, I'd say could be either way. No, he is.

You're on the left, you think. You do the credibility there, because whoever comes last was intentional. Not whoever, hear me out. Like for example, if I punch you first, okay, okay, boom, you punch me back. It's a reaction. You're waiting if you let you say all of a sudden get accused of If you get accused of stealing money from me and in the next day you say But did you see what he did seven years ago? And then it happens again, but did you see this? And it happens, it's the next day,

they're not even waiting for a week or two weeks. What if I said, I'm gonna punch you tomorrow and you punched me first. No, no, no, that's not how it works. Do you not think that Trump's attorneys are communicating with Kevin McCarthy in the house? Stop, but you're, you're, you're, I mean, get on that, right?

Get on that. But what you're saying is it's so delusional. For example, I'll give you an idea. We can talk about NATO and and and breaks and Ukraine and Russia next, right? I have a hard time sitting there and being super supportive of allowing bricks to do whatever they want to do. And that's more democratic position I may have because it's kind of like, this is a man, there's three letters and bricks that, you know, two letters and bricks, I'm not comfortable with, there's nobody in EU I'm worried about, or NATO I'm worried about, if that makes any sense, like who am I worried about in EU? Germany? They're going to attack us? Am I worried about UK today?

Not that things could change in the next four, ten, fifteen years. A new leader comes in, but I'm worried about China because they hate us. I'm worried about Russia. I totally get that right. I'm being very reasonable with you for you guys to, you know, sit there and say, yeah, but turn it around. It's delusional. The next day you're coming out with a summer lawsuit to target this guy.

It shows a lot of weakness. What it does to me being raised in Iran, living there for 10 years, to mother whose entire family were coming. That's pretty much. And my dad who were imperialists, and I lived in Germany at a refugee camp for a couple years, I watched this, and I'm like, yeah, America's becoming a banana republic

like many other places, and they're using it to eliminate an audience. My friend called me from Ecuador, who was my groom's man and my wedding. And he's telling me, did you hear about what happened here in Ecuador? What happened? The candidate, the Republican candidate,

two weeks away from election, he's leaving one of his campaigns. He gets in the car, three guys shoot him, they kill him, the cops get a hold of one of the guys, they take him back to the police station, and in the police station, the guy somehow dies, they should have been killed. We're, that's never happened in America before, right? Of course, no one's ever, guy named Jack Ruby takes out really Harvey Oswald before we find

out what was really behind it. And it's not like that was a big event that happened in a history of America. No. It's just a president getting assassinated, right? I mean, you can't say that when it's five times. I don't, I don't know. I can't know because you know that Trump's lawyer. I know you can't say that when it's five times. I don't know. I can't know because you know that Trump's lawyers. I know you can't say that because you want to believe

that. But it's truly, but I can say the same thing about you though. So listen, are you saying that Trump's attorneys didn't have a good inclination of when he was going to be indicted or when these different things were coming down? No. He was tweeting about it. He was tweeting eyes. I'm going to be indicted tomorrow. I know what a bold gangster does. Do you know what a bold gangster? How does a bold gangster kill somebody? I don't know. You tell me in a public daylight. In from like an American gangster, you ever seen a movie American gangster? Do you remember the scene he's at the coffee shop with his cousins? And they're all sitting there and a guy he sees that's on the other

side that didn't pay his money. He goes up to him and it's played by the good looking guy Idris so I don't know his elbow. Oh, it's what's his last thing? Idris. Yeah, good looking guy and he goes up to me. He says, Hey, I thought you were gonna pay me my tax 10% I didn't get any the money starts laughing in his face in day light. He grabs a gun boom shoot some put some cash Goes back in as breakfast and takes the sugar, puts it back in. The left, what they're doing today, the closest thing I can see to them is what Frank Lucas did in daylight. They don't give a shit, they want everybody to know. You f with us, the intelligence community, sponsor by Chuck Schumer, we're going to publicly

intentionally do it and you can't say nothing about it, but here's the problem. There's a big problem with this Brian and Ed. Short term, Frank Lucas was a star. Long term, Frank Lucas eventually gets caught and arrested. But sometimes it takes a few years for Frank Lucas to have a lot of power in the streets and that's kind of what they got today. They're not going to have this forever. Life doesn't work this way.

God's a powerful God and men and women of faith who believe in The powerful organizations like the DOJ or the mob who try to bully regular people for a certain period you can do it Eventually the real people of value who don't like tolerating stuff like this stand up and say Yeah, it's too much your bullying people. We're not okay with it You can do this to this guy Donald Trump. He's gonna come and go but America's bigger than just one person You cannot ever do something like this again to put the fear you know how many people friends that I know that I'd love them to run for office At a conversation at yesterday with a guy telemetry and now you know who this guy's and he's from the left And he can't stand Donald Trump. We had a very good conversation together very good

You know how many people that love America who wanna run for office, they're not running, you know why they're not running? Because all they're seeing is, man, I don't want them to do to us what they did to Trump. I mean, that's fair, right? But, I mean, I feel like you're stating this as this is what's happening.

And I don't know, like, right, five times, not once or twice or twice. But like, if you listen to the left, I feel like you're stating this as this is what's happening. And I don't know. I don't know. Right. Five times. Not once or twice or twice. But if you listen to it left, they're saying the opposite, right? You're saying there, the comers pushing out all this stuff. Well, but I mean, is it possible? Tell me, do you think it's possible?

Well, it's not, it's not possible. No, because that's not how this works. The way this works is what she do the day after. Okay. What should do the day? Any kind of bad news that comes out against Hunter Biden, the day after they target Trump, the day after. Like, it is so bold, it ain't even funny how bold they are. Trump is such an expert at getting ahead of the media cycle. Like, he's done that his whole career.

Whether it was in business, whether it was when he was president. But wait, you think Trump, Trump wants Hunter Biden, the news about Hunter Biden to be the top of the news cycle and then his stuff comes on the bottom of the news. It's what he's done his entire life. Wait, go look at our last 20 podcasts. Check to see how many times we talk about Hunter Biden. I don't care if I talk about Hunter Biden. Yeah.

You know why I don't talk about Hunter Biden? You're going to catch him. How often do I talk about Hunter Biden by how often in this podcast will be talked about a hundred by I don't think you know I might not put most often thing we talk about not even it's top 10 and he's a guy that voted for Biden publicly I give a thousand on or city's guy on a podcast. He I said he was going to win that's you voted for him as well.

Correct. Yeah. So took a lot of money because I played with Vegas out but but but you also voted. So, there's money, and you voted. The point I'm making to you is, this is a guy that was a Biden supporter. He's not a Trump guy. I would just say I voted for him. I wouldn't say I was a supporter. Just like if I voted.

Voting is supporters. Just like if I vote for Trump this time, I'm not a Trump supporter. I mean, technically you are. You're supporting the guy. I'm not going to be voting against the other ten. But you're still like, listen to me. If you're putting a vote, you're supporting his presence. You want to have a little sensitive.

No, it's possible to think that. Let me explain. Let me explain. But you have to explain. Let me explain. That is a form of supporting. It's in English, like if I go to Starbucks over 7-Eleven, you're supporting both suck- I support Starbucks, that's how this works. Okay, so let me go back to the point. The point I'm trying to make to you is,

I don't you have to talk about Hunter Biden. I don't care if to talk about Hunter Biden. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Go on and talk about, you know, oh my God, look what happened over here. That's not our show. We're regular people who have families, have lives. We have different lives that we live, all three of us. But but even Tom that's here, Tom's in a very different life

that he lives and these guys live. He's living a different life, way different than the life is living, way different than the life, Tom's living, way different than the life I'm living. But for us, when you do that five times in or the average person sits there, even from your side side who voted for Biden, even those. They say, it's a little fishy man. It's a little fishy when you're doing this. I mean, Schumer said, don't do it, you did it. Now they're coming after you, they're ruining your life.

So go on back to it. So many guys that ought to consider running don't want to run because the spectacle of what they did last six years, they stole the guy's life. So when he became a president, he couldn't do anything for the first three years because it was Russia. He couldn't do anything did last six years, they stole the guy's life. So when he became a president, he couldn't do anything for the first three years, because it was Russia. He couldn't do anything the last three years, because it was COVID. To the first three years, it was all Russia, nobody believed them. The last year was COVID. He's the worst president of all time. You realize they

literally stole four years of him being able to do anything. Doesn't that happen with every president? No, I mean, not at that level. Yeah, I'd say it was a dream. Go to Obama. No, I'd say Biden. They're doing it. Go to Obama. Yeah. Before Obama, I agree. Go to Obama. Every new station, co-bear in Obama, you know, Lenna when he was still on or you got

Kimmel, Fallon, MSNBC, ABC. This is the greatest president of all. You got to Nobel price the day, you know, he heard nothing. They've not painted him as the greatest president of all, I got a Nobel price the day, you know, he heard nothing. They for not painted him as the greatest president of all time. And why to even doing anything and everybody was supposed to just sit down, bow down to the sky being the greatest of all time. And we took it. Yeah.

So before before Trump, that's how things were, but apparently now things are changing. Why? Because but ask the question, why do you realize what was the most humiliating a moment of Obama's presidential run? What was the most embarrassing moment of Obama's run? When he made the White House, did they flag? No. LGBT flag? Well, that was pretty interesting. That was pretty interesting. I don't think that was the most individually. Not as a country. We looked at embarrassing as a country, but as an individual. When he looked... We're a cacky pants one at one time. I as a country, but as an individual. When he looked at a khaki pants, one that one time, I actually

rang people flippy out. They were khaki's. This, how are you Obama? Let me just say this. I want to make a point. Make the point. Just so you ask me about this guy, I think he's a guy. I would be totally cool having dinner with.

I think we'd have fun talking sports. I think we'd have fun talking politics. I think I would like sitting down with the sky and enjoying the show with them okay Obama when I watched them on different shows I liked watching them. It wasn't like I don't like watching them What was the most embarrassing moment of his career when he was a president when he was doomed a fallen or the Kim old Show and is reading all the tweets and he reads this tweet and he says you know President Obama may go down as the single worst president in a history of America, something like that. And then what does he do? He grabs the phone. He says, oh yeah,

at least I will go down as the president and he drops his phone, right? Okay. And then what happens at the dinner where he's making fun of Donald Trump, he'll never win. Do you know how competition works? Discussed from streets of Chicago. Obama's very competitive. Do you think out of the 7.7 billion people around the world, if there was one person, he was not okay, would become the president. You know who was? Only one guy. And the guy he didn't want, won. And then later on Obama gate comes, worst than water gate,

where Glenn Greenwald, just a few days ago here, explained how much worse Obama gate was spying on Trump's campaign for Trump to win. And then he has to live that for the rest of his life. Yeah, no, so what happens there? Everybody in media that loved him and who were close to him, speculation, this is happens there? Everybody in media that loved them and who were close to them Speculation, this is my speculation. Hey guys

He humiliated our favorite present of all time Barack Obama We got a target this guy and ruin his life and ruin his life. They did now. He's Teflon so he can handle it But ruin his life. They did and in four years later COVID excellent opportunity. They used to kick them out. And boom, now they're resting the guy. If you have the day in that, what a great strategy these guys just brilliant. But all of it goes back to this guy named Barack Obama. I'm Brian. Just out of cure. And I hate now that we brought him

up, I have to talk about it. The Hunter laptop, okay, laptops, because he left a couple at that place. We found out this year with the Twitter files that, and this is, I don't care how you spin it, this is cheating, that there was so much information on there about him, and it's father, the big eye, all these deals, that the FBI in conjunction colluded with Twitter and all these social media places to stop that story, to suppress the story, anybody that tweeted about it, anybody that spoke about it, you were taken off all these platforms. That is actively cheating to help one political party.

So no matter what anybody says, that 100% affected and they did a poll pat of voters and they said, if you knew what was on this laptop and all this shit that was with him and his father would have suede your vote. And what was it like 40% were like, yeah, we probably would have we wouldn't have voted for him. So at the end of the day from the Russia collusion to all this to the laptop, that system that he's talking about, 53 of Americans made aware of the 100 body of laptop story would have changed their vote. So guys, be honest, let's just be man about this.

That isn't cheating for you. That if that cheating. So I disagreed with the fact that Twitter deleted that New York Post article. I think that was wrong. You call it cheating, but hold on, you call it cheating. I wouldn't say it's cheating because Twitter acted as a private company. Twitter did not act at the behest of the FBI. They may may have been. They were there. Hold on. They were actively going there telling them where would the FBI and the White House sent us don't put this story out because it'll help a political campaign.

That's not what the FBI told Twitter. Yes, they did. Did you read the Twitter files? Of course we did. They say it was misinformation and Twitter decided based on what the FBI told. How's it, Mr. Holden? So if the FBI, a government and the FBI, they said it was misinformation and Twitter decided based on what that guy How's it, Mr. Holden? So if the FBI Government that's the side that they said it had the characteristic of Russian information That's what the let that if they have the characteristics so that's the FBI the same If they said that drag us to those Russian collusion bullshit if they say that if there's characteristics

They know come on They don't know that the letter said there's characteristics of Russian disinformation. Which are arguably it could have been right? And so I mean so are you joking right now? I mean I'm telling you what hasn't. I actually want to leave you to speak and I want to and I want to hear you. Are you sincerely being serious about what you're saying? I'm just telling you what they said. That's all I'm doing. No, no, I understand that, but you're saying it in a way. You think that's a valid, you're a great person. I just agree 100% with the fact that Twitter removed that article.

Okay. 100%. So then if they would have kept it, 53% said that would have changed it the way they would have voted. That could have meant a difference of Trump being president versus Biden. Yes. Yes, it could have. Yes. And I think Twitter, what Twitter did was absolutely wrong. I don't think it was, I don't think they, the idea that the FBI forced them to remove it.

They didn't. The FBI has Donald Trump himself asked Twitter to remove tweets from Twitter. Right. Is that so is that election interference to stay on this topic here? Yeah. So is that election interference too? I mean stay stay on this topic here. Yeah stay on this topic here so You just said yes, it would have changed the I don't know it would have changed it like yes It may have though. I mean you're you guys are if there's you guys are smart guys You know, you're not you're not guys that are dumb guys you guys are smart guys. So if you're smart just be the smart guy that you are So if that is the case, so now watch this

Do you know when you think about in sports when somebody wins with a method of cheating? Okay, there was a guy who was a guy that was fighting and at the end this other guy that I'd be in paralyzed He ended up dying the guy had at the end of the fight the father have you guys seen this video? It's a very emotional video where the father comes in and at the end of the fight, the father who's the trainer grabs the opponent's hand and he starts doing this to the gloves. He does this to the gloves because he saw what they did to his face. And then he says, he calls it and the guy's like, no, no, he starts but have you ever seen this clip or no? He had people, you have to find this video right. It's tough.

And let me tell you, they find the gloves, they open it up. No. And in the gloves, there was metal and rocks. Yeah, it is. It's hard to find. Like, it is the most, my body just got there. I just got to choose all of my body. You have to watch this video.

It's so freaking hard to watch. I'll find it. When I respond back to them, I'll find it. I'll send it to you. This kid for the rest of his life lived out of a wheelchair. He was paralyzed for life. I mean, that guy cheated, ruined his life. So imagine, the rage on half of America

who were publicly humiliated for losing who supported a guy that they wanted to go again and COVID hurt him him and not only that that tweet hurt him in their eyes. He should be the president. And now this guy deserves another four years in their eyes. Now you're doing this again five times in a row the day after with knowing the fact that Hunter Biden's taken money, knowing the fact that in the history of the White House, if there's ever been cocaine, I don't know how much cocaine Lincoln did at the White House, but there's not a lot of research on him.

I'm not cocaine back into this. So cocaine is only going to be linked to one guy now. We're supposed to say, nah, it's not going to be him. It's probably somebody else. Honestly, it's probably Donald Trump Jr. Somehow it's not going to be in the did cocaine and left that's probably him. You realize how the American people feel like, why do you talk to us like we're dumb and stupid?

At this point, I'm okay with buying some propaganda as you want to sell, but the moment you start looking at me as I'm stupid, the voter's like, I'm sick of you treating me like I'm an idiot. I'm not an idiot, I know what you're doing, and you can't win. So that's the rage, the fact that even a guy like yourself said that could have influenced it.

Yeah, I mean, the left is probably outrage as well that the Republicans are talking about and teaching Joe Biden, right? Like, And they feel the same way about that. They feel like you have to look at it from that point of view as well. Right? But again, what you're saying is the left is also, by the way, I'm not supportive of either one of them impeaching anybody. Just just code do your thing unless it's like, so this impeaching game is not a game I support.

I don't even, I've not one time talked to you about them in peach and Biden. Not one time on our podcast. It's not an article I'm interested in. I'm not interested in that kind of stuff. That's gonna make this country the greatest country in the world, the shittiest country in the world. We're gonna join a bunch of different people.

But this is a cause of, they impeached Trump many times. Toys. And what happened? Nothing. Yeah. But they just wanted to do it. I did anybody expect anything else to happen. But that wasn't the, but why did they do it? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Humiliate the guy. That's the only reason you do it. Yeah. It's a political tool. Well, then guess what? So if the right is sitting here right now, they're doing it. It's cause. It was stemmed by the left. You started it like this whole thing. You could say they Clinton impeachment started it too. The Clinton impeachment. I'm also not supportive of that with the Clinton impeachment. What happened there? If you impeached him, you want to go and impeach all the other how were many presidents that we got to go back and do that with? No, I'm not supportive of that.

But this one, that one at least there was approved. He came out and said, I did not have. And then he says, I have to apologize and then boom. And then it is what it is. Obviously in today's climate, that would be regular down to Tuesdays. I would get a chance of administration. Yeah. Well, can I, can I, I guess, add to the conversation? Maybe we'll, you know, by the way, if we were having this conversation one year from now, this is a cute conversation. I would say, oh, you know, we're sort of getting along. By the way, if we were having this conversation one year from now, this is a cute conversation. Oh, it's, you know, we're sort of getting along. By the way, fast forward a year from now, you guys, you're talked about fighting and arm wrestling. Shit would be going down because the temperature in the room is, is that a very, you know,

comfortable 72 right now. Go to August, September of 2024. It's going to be 98 degrees and about to be 104 degrees, because shit's going to get very, very heated. So, you know, we're having this conversation, but you know, Justin Timberlake used to say, he's saying the song like, what goes around comes around, what goes around, that's exactly what's happening in politics. Yeah. And no matter what conversation we have, no matter what happens, here's what I can guarantee to everybody out there. Every four to eight years, get ready for a new president, get ready for a public president, get ready for a Democrat president.

Why is that? Just look at the proof, the proof is in the pudding. Every four to eight years America basically has a bipolar episode and says, well, you know, those guys suck, let's shot the other side. Well, you know, those guys suck, let's shot the other side. Well, you know, those guys suck, let's try the other side. You talked about Clinton and basically his term came up in 2000 and that, you know, gore bush, they flipped on Clinton. They went to gore. They went to Bush and that there was a whole election fraudulent chads, ballots, everything's going on. Then you have everything that happened with John Kerry and then it became Obama and then it became McCain and then it became the Bushes and then it became this and that we're just used to this by now. We know this thing by now, but it did get uglier

under Trump. Where am I going with all this? Here's what we do know for a fact. How many people live in America? 330 million. How many people vote 150 millions? Almost half the country, let's say. What if I were to tell you how many people do you think run this country? What's your number? Like how many people run this country? And I don't mean like the oligarch social media tech. How many people sway the votes of this country every four to eight years. What's your number? It's probably under under 500. I think 500 people. No, but you're not asking a question. The vote is saying out of the 150 million voters, what percentage of like the left or right independent, what percentage ways do you like people?

Dissenture question. It's like small percentage. I would say there's 50 to 100,000 people in this country that sway the entire electorate of this country. Okay. So who am I talking about? The people in Fulton County, Georgia, in Arizona, everything that going on there in Arizona, certain counties in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, even Pennsylvania, like the entire country is basically at the whims of the same people that voted for Obama, then

voted for Trump, then voted for Biden, and we'll wait to be seeing what they end up doing in 2024. These people run the country. So you know, Pat hit the nail on the head that, you know, whether you call it 45 and 47 or 48 and 42, 90% of the country has their mind up. Congratulations. Good for you. There's 0% chance, the no matter what evidence anybody shows you, you're not voting for Trump. Straight up. Yes. Yeah. No matter what anybody shows Vinny, there's a very, very high likelihood. There's no chance he's voting for Biden, correct? 100. There you go. My vote is completely for sale at this point. I am one of those 100,000 people being like, yeah, uh, wasn't a Trump guy. Uh, Biden's a mess. Uh, Trump's indictment. I don't know. I can flip my vote. I'm one million percent. I'm not for you. Would you vote third party, though? No, because it's

a wasted vote. So I, I'm truly one of those people being like, don't Trump don't like Trump's personality whatsoever. But policies kind of are better. And then you have Biden is like, yeah, these policies kind of suck, but at least it's not nails on a chart. You say you're at least not a walking vegetable, but he's also my vote is important in Florida. What's my point with all this kind of stuff like that? You know, there's certain people on the left that I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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that there's 10% of the country that are free thinkers. Like you said that some of your family is Democrat, some of your families are in my household, my mom, no matter what I tell this woman, there's a 0% change. She's voting for Trump. Zero. No matter, I'm like, it's Trump or a ham sandwich. She's like, well, I don't really eat ham, but yeah, I guess whatever I tell my sister, whatever she finds out, she's 100% voting for Trump. Why? Because she met him once. So, but ultimately what is happening in this country is just because someone votes for

the other option, this binary option, we don't need to hate our neighbors or hate our family. And that's where we're at in this country, is that if you voted for the other side, you're the enemy. And it's emblematic of where we are and it's only getting worse. So I guess, you know, Kyle Kalinsky, I don't know if we have that clip, he hates you guys because you're more left than him, okay? And there's you hate Trump because he's supposedly a liberal. Now he's, you know, a conservative, what have him. Ultimately, my thing is, do we really end up need to hating our neighbors? Cause they vote for a different side of the eye.

No, it's absurd. Like half my friends, probably more than half my friends are Trump supporters. So, I mean, I think it's ridiculous that what the country has come to and how many friends of you lost because you've been anti-Trump none that I'm aware of that's not true no seriously I don't think I've lost a single friend well then you're the anomaly because there's a lot of people out there that will not be friends with the other side and then just a past point that the political motivation about like all, news comes out about that whole thing, about May 5th, May 6th, May 6th.

Everything with that, what would you have? Would you describe that? Everything, just basically the smoke and gun sort of analogy that anytime there's bad news, they'll basically indict Trump. Guys, it's true. Just look at the, like sometimes it's right in front of your face. So are things politically motivated? Yes. So

I'm willing apartment weaponized. I'm willing to wait. I'm willing to wait and see what the outcome of the trial is. Like I don't think I should be taking sides either way. Like you've already taken your side. No, but what I'm saying is I don't know if Trump's guilty. I don't know. Maybe it is politically motivated. I don't know. I can see both sides. Like, you know, where Patrick here says that the DOJ is releasing these indictments because the hundred buttons that you're waiting for you've already acknowledged there's zero percent chance you're voting for it. I have so who gives a shit. Yeah, even if things on him, you're not voting for him. That's what does matter. Yeah, that doesn't matter.

That's not so you don't give a shit about evidence. Either just any way I do. I don't give it. No, you don't. Well, not not just. Not just the election, I wouldn't change my vote. That's my point. That's where I'm in this country. You're just clinging to your beliefs. There's no evidence, no facts that will help you sway your vote. And that's fine. That's on you, do your vote.

But to me, that's an emblematic of where we are. If someone says, by the way, the Russia thing was all a fucking hoax. By the way, it was all fraud. By the way, the Justice thing was all fucking hoax. By the way, it was all fraud. By the way, the Justice Department was all weaponized. By the way, all the information that you've used to summarize your opinion is all false. Here's the actual evidence. You're like, yeah, I don't care. I'm still going to vote for you. No, so you're voting for the first time I was over. That's not necessarily true. Like you just said, no, so you're, your, your, your

head, yeah, but here, you just said there was a 0% chance that you're voting for true. Yeah, but but but that's not that doesn't necessarily mean I'll vote for Biden though. So I could just sit the election out. I like our vote third party just to make a point. That's weak though. Well, I mean, I'm not going to I'm not going to vote for somebody I think is a bad president, right? So just just because he's found to be not guilty, doesn't mean that that changes my mind on whether I think he should be president. There's other reasons. Could I put together? I mean, just just policies, his divisiveness. I mean, before he was indicted,

I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have voted for. But what you did say at the beginning of the podcast, I wrote it down. You said, you know, a approach versus policies. You liked some of his policies. You said some of his policies. It's his approach you don't like. It's because of his approach that you're not going to vote for him. That's a big part of it. There are a part I prefer the liberal policies over there.

Which kind of divisiveness do you like less? Public or private divisiveness? Define each I tell you to your face. I don't like you Versus I tell you to your face. I like you so much But I go behind your back and tell everybody how much of a whatever you are Which one do you respect more? I respect I respect the public. I do as well Yeah, that's that's what half-American people respect half-American people public. I do as well. Yeah, that's that's what half the American people respect. Half the American people kind of respect the fact that he's not telling you something publicly and you know if he doesn't like somebody he's going to tell you. We as Americans for whatever reason, as an immigrant myself

who came here from another place. We're super skeptical. Super skeptical. And for me, I think Jay-Z said best in one of his songs, he says, don't tell me what somebody said about me. Tell me why that person was so comfortable to tell you what they said about me, right? Okay. I respect the guy, you know, they used to say 10, 15 years ago, they said no one from New York,

America's not ready for president from New York. And this wasn't even with Trump. This was pre-Trump. Somebody from New York was running. I don't know if it was Christy that ran before Trump. It was somebody from New York running and saying America's not ready for New York president because the way people are in New York is just too much. You know, you're from Jersey, so you kind of know the style of New York.

I mean, Giuliani, I guess. You know what? It could have been Giuliani. That's the, it could have been Giuliani, yeah. And then, but today, I think Americans with social media are kind of like, you know what man? I must much much rather prefer a Straight-up guy that's gonna tell me how we feels then the fake stuff because what social media did is Just 20 years ago 30 years ago a lot of this stuff would have gotten away and People like us we couldn't create a content to just talk to regular people about our concerns.

We just had to listen to those five, six different channels, right? Social media actually got some of the American people to say, I prefer a guy that's going to be straight up with me than the guy that's being deceiving me or divisive. So, yeah, I mean, I can understand your point about being divisive, but man, we got to. Yeah, no, no, I agree. Like, I will say I respect him speaking his mind, right? Like, that's fine. I think that just some of the wording he uses and the things he says can divide us and he could say it a different way. I don't know if I disagree. I don't know if I'm in a city or say, oh, you're wrong and all this stuff. I totally get it. That's his wiring. You know how when Republicans say stuff like, you know, if he would only stop them, who are you to tell him

he's going to change at 74 now? 70. What is he? Seven or 70? How old is he right now? I don't know. Do you think he's going to change now? No, they're changing this guy. So either you have to take him for who he is. Are you changing or 77 year old guy, right? So I get what you're saying that maybe some of his words he says could, you know, divide into all the stuff. Let's transition to a different thing. Can I bring up one little thing that you said? And I think it's very important because, you know, we are five dudes sitting around

having a podcast. Men are way more comfortable hearing the straight up facts. Here's the fucking deal. Vinnie, you look like shit today. Thanks Adam. All right, you're good. I appreciate it. If you tell a girl that she will lose her mind.

Of course, the truth hurts. Okay. The true thirds. And that's why you know, they say facts don't care about your feelings. Men are a lot more comfortable hearing, you know, the tough news, the tough pillow. So what would you, how'd you position the question? Would you rather hear the tough news behind your back in front of your face? How'd you, how'd you word it, Pat? Okay. So men are comfortable with that. That's why by an overwhelming margin, you know, men vote for Trump, right?

Whereas most women cannot take the cold hard truth, right? And they will, you know, not want to hear the bad news. You know, the whole thing with Trump was, what do you, you know, not want to hear the bad news, you know, the whole thing with Trump was, what do you, you know, the economy is going to shit and inflation is falling apart, gas prices, you know, Afghanistan, everything you want to put, Ukraine, everything, but no more mean tweets. So the rhetoric is really the biggest problem, especially for women. I don't know if that's the majority of the reason why women don't vote for them I think there's other reasons to like abortion and

His Trump's comment about grabbing women and you know, like I think there's other things at play there But most people vote for personality not policies. Yeah, most people that that would agree Yeah, I would and they just can't handle his personality and a lot of people can. I get it. I totally understand. But I mean, Biden doesn't have a personality. Zero. He doesn't even know what the hell he is. Would you acknowledge the only reason that Biden got elected was because you know, not Trump. Yeah, absolutely. Nobody's rallying for Biden. Yeah. He's beatable. He's vulnerable. Nobody nobody has Biden's side. Nobody's excited about Biden. Zero. It's just you've got 30, 35% of the country that is obsessed with Trump. Nobody has that candidacy. Nobody has that.

And you have 50% of the country that's like, yeah, I hate that guy. And it's a lot of large numbers. So Trump brings people to the polls. That's why we call it two record breaking candidates, you know, all because of the Trump. Yeah, we went to the GOP debates and it was almost like, wait, the main fighters not here. We were just watching undercards and it was cool to watch, but I was just like, it missed, but you got that personality. You're going to go to so much. I just wanted

to ask, do you guys think we would be where we are today with all the, I mean, crime is ridiculous. The border, gun violence, inflation, recession. And at the end of the day, do you guys think the Russia situation would be happening? Because if Trump was this Russian asset, he's Putin's bitch. We heard all that. Any of that happened. Like, he waited for Biden to come in to Putin to do his attack and everything. Do you guys think, and would that with Trump's presidency have changed any of that? You know, it's hard to say. I don't know what Trump would have done. What he just said, we're siding with Putin. Like, we're not going to get involved and

let Putin take more Ukrainian land. I mean, he didn't really do much on Crimea, right? So I don't know. It could have gone many different ways. Well, yeah, yeah, like maybe there would be other concessions and maybe Putin wouldn't have invaded yet. You know, it's hard, you say. It's hard, but it's weird though that nothing happened.

We hear nothing about, I mean, we heard Russia, obviously, but nothing happened while he was in. And then once Biden was in, it was like, hey, it's attack time. You know what I mean, we heard Russia, obviously, but nothing happened while he was in. And then once Biden was in, it was like, hey, it's attack time. You know what I mean? Yeah, but I mean, you one could also argue that Trump was kind of kind of siding with Putin on a lot of issues. So why would Putin do it then? Why not wait until another president came along?

Like if Putin went into Ukraine, we don't know how Trump would have reacted. And I don't think Putin would either, right? Like probably. I think Trump had that indecisive, I don't wanna say indecisive, indecisiveness. Like volatility. Yeah, I think that scared a lot of people,

a lot of other leaders. Of course. So what about everything else? So what about the border and inflation? I mean, we're a completely different country that we were. So the border. So the border, I think, again, it goes back to Trump's volatility and Trump's policies of kind of,

we had the separation of children from parents. We had Trump basically threatening them with words. I think that's scared immigrants away. I think, and now we have influx of people. Don't come. Yeah, so we have. Come leave, please. Come, come.

Well, so what I'm saying is, I don't have room for you. I think he's scared them by coming to the central cities. The next, the remaining Mexico policy, I think that kept people down there. I Women were raped because of it, but it's scared and they're like we're not gonna attempt to bring our kids here We might get separated from them. We might get smuggled by other individuals and they don't come to me I mean, I'm with Adam in the sense that my family came here legally Pat's family came here legally. I understand we are a nation of open arms and everything, but I mean, there's a right way and there's a wrong way just

literally saying just come, come on in. We don't. Yeah, it's not like that right now. It's I saw the border. The border is as secure as it was in Trump under Trump. I accept for the fact that they don't have to remain in Mexico policy. Can you name it one policy that's different or one initiative that's going on? I know that I've been seeing all the hearings of my orcas and all the charts and all the stats is that it's at record numbers right now and the people coming and dropping off kids.

Like the grown men that are bringing children to the border, they're doing DNA tests, there's zero relation to these children that they're coming. And it's in the like 30,000, 40,000 children that, and I mean, Trump was at least trying. You know, I mean, everything was against him. Everybody was like, no, the hell with you, leave it open, leave it open. Leave it open. I just saw another video. I don't know if it was an Arizona pat or Texas. They've not only opened the border wall. They've like, uh, like, welders have gone there and they've opened it to where it's not even going to close.

Yeah, but as they come, they're still building portions of the wall. A lot of people. Yeah, I mean, it's still, the issue with immigration isn't the fact that we have open borders. These are not technically more open than under Trump. The issue is that people feel like they have

a better opportunity to come here now that they're not gonna be turned down. Their kids aren't gonna be separated from them. They're not gonna have to remain in Mexico and worry about what could happen down there. So I think that's a huge difference and that's why we're seeing what we're seeing right now. Well, and like you said, you're an immigrant

and you're like my family came here. No, well, there I'm probably getting your family here. So like I know a lot of people who came here years ago and they're like they're the same as you. They're saying I came here legally like why should we be letting these people in and I agree. I think we definitely need to do something. What that solution is I don't think it's build a wall.

I think you have everybody on the right saying build a wall and don't really have any other solutions and everybody on the left is saying don't build the wall and then nobody's actually talking about the actual solutions that could happen that could actually stop some of this. Yeah, I just the common sense thing that a lot of people would ask is who's more important America or a politician America. Okay, if Nancy Pelosi can have a wall around her house, I think we can have a board around our country that's bringing drugs in isn't that a common sense question to I mean having a wall around your house is different than having a wall on how Public land. How are you afraid of people breaking into your house? Why do you need to put a wall up?

It's comparing apples to orange tell me why apples and oranges I'm confused So you're it's a private versus public. First of all, how can you build a America as a private country? They have to come here legally. Yeah, it's a private country. It's a private property to tell you in the states of America. Most of the not most, but a good portion of the people that actually come here are just over six. That's not that's not how you don't sit there and you judge it and say, good portion. Where is fentanyl coming from? Yeah, but the wall is not going to stop fentanyl. The vast majority of fentanyl is coming through. Right, people are driving it through.

You don't build things. A wall around your house doesn't necessarily protect the robber from coming into your house. I can come with a drone and see what you're doing. There's plenty of ways of doing it, but it minimizes the chances. And it decreases. You're having a gun in your house

and putting a sign outside saying, there's a massive pit bull here in 7AK-47s. If you walk into my house that's going to minimize the chance of robber coming in but maybe 1% of guys are going to say I don't give a shit I'm still coming in and it was I want to kill your dog and you're not going to have enough time to get your guns and I'm going to get the money. It's about the people feeling safer and protecting our homeland. When Fauci and others are being asked about who has to take the vaccine, if illegal immigrants are coming here, are they expected to take the vaccine?

And the answer is no, but we have to, the military, and all these guys working for the government. Do you realize how ludicrous that sounds when they do things like that? That's when a person, again, like the same question with Ukraine, you got all this stuff that's going on with, and nothing I'm saying is out of the ordinary, and I'm using like technical policies. I'm just purely talking common sense.

We had Ukraine that we want to send more money to, now again, but now we 700 bucks a person, maybe a few million dollars. These are things with the average person, the average person, the average, not the person that studies every single thing there. The average person says, why would you spend more money to Ukraine than to Maui? Why would we not protect our borders to take care of us? Why would we protect the borders of Ukraine against Russia, but not our own borders? Isn't that kind of stupid? What? These are the basic objections that an average American is going to ask in the argument as a lost. We don't need a border at Canada because we don't have a lot of stuff that's

coming out from Canada. We would. We would. So much of that's just a false equivalency. I feel like people jump to these comparisons that really don't compare. So Mi, $700 per person who lost their home. Yeah, but I mean, that's just what the FEMA maximum is. That's what the FEMA maximum has been. It actually increased underbiden. I think it went from 500 to 700. So, I mean, there's the FEMA maximum for instant money. They're going to get more money. They just had to go through an application. The question then becomes, how soon do you need help six months later?

Three months later, I think that the maximum should be higher. But who's the hell is that? I mean, let me answer question. Instead of going to vacation, where you're like, Hey, you know, no comment. A president says no comment about the biggest devastating event that took place in Hawaii. And you say no comment. And you show up two weeks later and people are flipping you off and saying, go back home, go back home.

Yeah, but do you want, did you want him to go there sooner? Like, like, so I went through E in last year, like direct hit, right? Yeah. And when Biden came in seven days later, it was, it was chaos. Everybody's running around getting supplies. Everybody's trying to rebuild their homes and it's, it's, it's traffic. I understand, I understand, like, you know, 100% defending that this guy, you know, everything you say you're going to have to defend the position, I get that position. The more you take a position like that, the more you lose credit.

No, like I, like you said, no comment. That was ridiculous. What should he should have said something much more compassionate than that? Like, there's so much, but I feel like people jump at every little thing. And it happens on both just like Trump Democrats jumped at every little thing. Level, though, it's not. I don't, I'm pretty sure it is. I don't think it is.

I think you know, but you're coming from the right. So that's your perspective. But I'm coming from America is more important than Ukraine. American borders are more important than other people's borders. It doesn't mean we can't do both, right? Okay, you're saying the Nikki Haley message, which you just gave her some of my advice. They hated it, yeah, exactly.

So we can do both. No, I mean America is it just, No, I'm sorry, I'll come. No, no, no, I'm sorry. No, no, it's not we can do both. No, how many kids do you have? Two. Who's more important to your kids or my kids?

They're both equally as important. But who is more important than my kids? Then they should be. If they were not, I would think you have mental issues. Okay. Now, but if you zoom out, no, don't zoom out. No, don't zoom out. Stay on you. Stay on you. Trust me. For me, I am safer if your number one priority is your kids, because your kids are going to be raised properly with a right attention by who their father, which is you. You're very important man in their lives. You know that. That's how this works. So when Nikki Haley says something like that, you know what that message says to voter

like me. And by the way, just so you know how I put Nikki Haley, I thought she was going to be the worst in debate. You know what I ranked in the debate? Number two, I put her at number two. I thought she crushed it to be honest. I was dumb like, dude, she killed it. I was not expecting to be like coming out supportive of Nikki. I thought she did a great job, right? That doesn't mean I, you know, I'm agreeing with everything.

She says, but to say, we can't do both. Okay, let's unpack that a little bit. Maybe we can do both. You know how, you know, one of the guys broke down things from refinancing, which made Okay, let's unpack that a little bit. Maybe we can do both. You know how one of the guys broke down things from refinancing, which made a lot of sense. It was this girl that wrote a book 20 years ago with a pig. I forgot what the book. I'd love to give a credit. 23 years ago. And the way she taught kids about money, it was 70% your expenses. Whatever you're doing. 10% savings, 10% investments, 10% fund. Okay, so guess what? The fund account, do whatever you want to do with it. It's kind of never thought about having a

fun account, right? So do you run a business the same way? You know, you use a certain portion of your money to have a good time with your employees, with your salespeople. You have a fun, all less if we talk about it the other day. We're kind of overdo to go to top golf. You know, I don't know what we were talking about, because we were somewhere. Yeah, the hard rock. Yeah. So, so to me, yeah, let's use that money to support others when they're going through it after getting our house in order. And by the way, Nikki Haley, our house is not in order.

Yeah, but do you just say, okay, Russia, take, take all of Ukraine, take whatever you want, do whatever you want. And you know, like, if that that's gonna help Putin gain power and Let me maybe maybe move on to another country. Who cares? I run is it I run 40 I ran an issue a run an insurance company with 45,000 insurance agents Okay, hear me out. I'm coming up first. I'm trying to be a good CEO, okay? All of a sudden were like on year two two, three, four, whatever. 2013, whatever, 13 is your four. And there's divorces, Glowr going on everywhere in my company. Glowr, we're going to two of our best guys, phenomenal guys. They're both going through it.

Okay. And their wives, one of them, both a husband and a wife ended up staying here. They're both doing very well. Both of them are happy. Both of them are financially free. One is got his own family. She's got her own family great. And the other one is in a wife ended up staying here. They're both doing very well. Both of them are happy. Both of them are financially free. One has got his own family. She's got her own family great. And the other one is in a very, very good place to set a kid, another one on the way. They haven't great life.

Somehow we made it work where everybody stuck around in the company. It wasn't easy. But in 2013, 2014, one day at the hospital, after a full-on exhaustion, I'm thinking I'm dying, okay. I just came back from a three-week trip, I'm on the road, I'm doing what I'm doing, and at night 12, 32 o'clock, I go to the hospital and I'm at the hospital at 2.30 in the morning, and the guy, I'm like, what the hell is going on with me? He says, dude, your heart is strong, his hair, your good,

you're good. He says, you're just, what have you been doing? Your body, your dehydrated, all this, if you're exhausted, you need to just rest. I told him, he says, well, that's exactly what's been happened. You've been going on three hours of sleep, four hours of sleep the last three weeks. Every night, I'm on the frontal garden, it was one time trying to save these marriages. Okay. You know, what happened when I try to save every one of these marriages with the amount of time I put into them? One, they feel like you're intruding too much to get into their business between a husband and wife, which they almost were like, look, we appreciate the help, but we appreciate the help.

Great. That's a lesson. And number two, it's affecting your own life. If you want to solve, if America wanted to solve everyone's problems worldwide, we would do it at the cost of going bankrupt and America being just like the other third world countries that are a shit show now. We are leaders.

You know what leaders do? We set the example, we set the tone, we do our part, we don't get involved in every single conflict, we do our best to get involved in certain conflicts, but if we get involved in every single conflict out there, we don't have a life in America forgets about who you and I agree matter to America. So when you say what should we do? Well, where do you draw that line? Like where do you draw a line? Like every is it just America?

100% like there has to be a line somewhere. Where would you draw that? What if we didn't intervene in in World War two? Like I mean, you could make the same argument. We shouldn't have been at the end. I didn't say every one of them. So where is that line drawn though? I understand what you're saying, but if you sit there as a leader, as a president of the United States, and you write out all the issues that's going on, let's write out the 50 issues that's going on outside of America. Some of them, you're going to have to say, hey, guess what, NATO, this is your problem.

They're your neighbors, they're not ours. Okay, you got to figure this thing out. Okay, sorry that you guys are going through this, you figured it's this thing out. Then try to broker a deal with Putin, Mr. Biden, fly out to Russia or figure out a way to have a meeting with him and figure out a way to say, why are we doing this? To do your part. Aside from that, if I want to get involved in 100% of all issues, I'm not gonna have a life and I'm ruining the country I'm supposed to lead.

As a person that's a CEO of a company, if you're a CEO of a company, you're running, you guys are business owners, you know, the 3D printing company and different things that you guys have done in the past, you got a CEO of the company that you're running. Okay. Then you have money and mutual funds and stocks. Okay.

Should you be concerned about how Apple stock is doing? Yeah, you got a hundred thousand dollars in it. Let's just say you got a million out of it. You should be concerned. Okay. But let's just say your business is worth fifty million dollars. Okay. Of your network, it's tied to the fifty million dollar company.

You got a million dollars in Apple stock. You got three hundred thousand dollars in Tesla. You got two hundred thousand dollars in there. Should you be concerned about those companies? Sure. But more than a $50 million dollar company that's taking care of your wife and kids and a family and your network, no. No, but I mean, we're not, though. I mean, but we are going to have we given to Ukraine. How much have we spent on different infrastructure? How have we given to Hawaii? But it hasn't't children that are going to get everything they need though. We're going to get everything we need.

When it's a natural, it's America, pro. So change is FEMA policies. But I mean, that takes more than just Joe Biden snapping his fingers. No, it does though. The president can make an executive order and come out and say, why? No, but that's FEMA limits are set for the instant payments. Wait, the instant payment. Here's what I want to ask you, though. How often but that's female limits are set for the instant payments. But the instant payment.

Here's what I want to ask you, though. How often does that happen to state in America? What happened in Hawaii? How often does that happen? As far as the instant female payments are, how often does this surprise this? It's a pretty frequently, not to that level, but pretty frequently. So to that level, how often has it happened since 1776 in Hawaii? How often?

The place where most people go for honeymoon. In Hawaii, hasn't't it's never happened. Okay. So imagine the president takes the lead and has a meeting with senators and congressmen and women all of them. Okay. And he says, Hey, I want to have an emergency meeting right off the bat. And he gets up there and he says, I'd like your support for us for once go above whatever

a female standards are and gets. What about Fort Myers? Why shouldn't we have gotten? Why shouldn't we have gotten? Why shouldn't Kentucky have gotten it? Why shouldn't Puerto Rico gotten that same amount of money per household that lost their entire heart? I will tell you, I am more support of us taking care. I think the American people would be more noble to say, I support that more than I support

the brain. But who are the ones who want to defund FEMA or reduce the funding of FEMA? It's typically the conservatives don't they call that socialism when you am I sitting here telling you about defund that FEMA No, no, no, but what I'm saying what I'm saying is that every single home that's lost because of natural disaster Whether it was under Biden Trump Obama bushes they should get more than 500 to 700 dollars Instantly, right? They should but why is a person losing their home in Hawaii any different than my neighbor for Myers Losing their collecting no, it's directing you are no no I'm really not I'm really not at you're not

You're gonna bring it back how you're deflecting you're gonna bring you back to tell you how you deflecting go ahead the comparisons is not Fort Myers and Hawaii. You're deflecting. My comparison is Hawaii and Ukraine. Yeah, and absolutely. I'm agreeing with you. Hawaii should get more money. But this isn't something that's new. I mean, I know it is, it is new though. Identify this and go to the next one. Okay. Right after we're dealing with so much money money we're given to Ukraine to protect their border Yes, we're given money to Ukraine to you said yes to protect their border their border is Russia's invading them to take over the lane our border drug dealers are killing kids kids Yeah, it's not it's not it's not an actual how many kids died last year from fentanyl how many kids like died last year from drugs that's coming through from there and that you could compare what your

compare and compare compare compare a actual military encouraging on another country to refugees and people coming here because they want what what have it better way no no no no it's not different come do do legally yeah totally do it so but but the question becomes what way of killing kids is more noble okay is it more noble for me to kill the kids with a bomb with a nuclear bomb or would one more noble a drug dealer coming to a country killing a kid isn't representative of the millions or hundreds of thousands of refugees that are just here do so now we're to get their family a better life right categorize what's a noble way What is your solution to the fentanyl crisis? Most of it's coming through ports of entry. People are driving it through.

We should increase security around the ports of entry. I think that's a good idea. I think when you leave the gates as open as they have, where how many people came last year, was the record breaking number of people that came last year. No, it's not a hundred thousand. No, a hundred nine thousand were or or or sent all overdose that well overdose or poisoning however you know as horrible. I mean, I mean, I mean, well, that's something that needs to be done, but just building a wall is not going to eliminate one percent of that or five percent of it. No, it's not one percent, bro. It's not going to be a percent of the fentanyl that's called

coming through ports of entry. Right. So are there people who are here? 109,680 over those death in 2020 to a highest record in the calendar year. This is last year and the record was 2021 both under the Skyrim Joe that you guys like, right? So if you say, well, Pat, what do you want to do about a DeBorder's only going to protect, you know, a certain percentage of it? If, if you said 10% of the borders, 10% of the kids that would protect, what's 10% of 109,000? 11,000 kids would be here today. But that's making the argument that if you put up a wall to prevent people from carrying it over, that is not going to be smuggled. So that's a same amount will be smart.

It's a good start though. Yeah. I mean, it's better. Okay. Let me ask you a question. I think there's better playboy. Were you ever playboy when you were younger or no? Who was the womanizer here?

We're either one of you guys womanizers or no? Who was good with the ladies? No, you seem like you're found. Okay. By the way, let me ask you a question. Okay. I'm assuming it's you because you're saying you're straight, you're not gay, so you aren't gay.

You're not gay, so okay, all right, so if that's you. Okay, so let's go with that. When you're 22 years old and you meet a 19 year old girl, what's a target for you to know that it's gonna be easier for you to hook up with this girl? What's the easiest target when you learn about our family? Daddy issues tram stamp, dad stamped at the wrong places. The father's not there. Okay, so now let me ask you this, you go to his house. You go to

her house. And she says, here's my dad. And the dad shows up. How you doing that? Good. How you doing? Don't good. And wife comes in, oh, honey, just relax, babe, my husband just got out of jail last month for, you know, and he's just murdering the last boyfriend. What do you think you're going to do when you go with that girl? When you think about your typical move of putting your hands around her back and then the popcorn you slip up, you miss the popcorn accidentally. And then you're like, Oh, I'm so sorry. Oops, you're like, no, I'm going to target the, you're like, no, I'm gonna target the popcorn, right? What are you gonna do? You're gonna be a little bit more selective, ain't you?

When you're careful with that's the point. So what I'm saying to you here is as a guy who's been married 15 years who prior to that I was single, I understand what it is when I see opportunities. So do you. It's the natural instinct men we have. Perfect. So do you. It's the natural instinct men we have. Perfect. So child molester says who got arrested at the time. They said the number one target when we're targeting kids is if there's not a father there, if there's no faith there, I can molest that kid and take it. He's telling you in the interview, I don't know if you've seen this interview. He's saying kind of it's absolutely you got to watch this and she got to get just got to watch it. What's the point? No, the board is not gonna prevent 100% of it. No putting more security down,

there's gonna prevent 100% of it. No arresting sanction, getting rid of these people in sanctuary city that's causing what's going on in New York, that New York is saying, no, we don't follow the government's laws when we arrest them, we have to catch and release them, we're gonna do whatever we want to do. But hey, can you guys send us some money? Please, because you got to need some help. I absolutely think you need more security there. I just don't think the wall is the best answer. I think there's technology you can use. I think you think wall. I don't think a wall from one sea to the other sea. But you're going to have you seize private land. I'm against the wall

because I think that in certain areas you could have fencing or walls, but there's other technologies you can use. You can increase security around the ports of entry, maybe stop more drugs. Bro, walls been the oldest way of keeping people. Yeah, but in 2023 at your house, do you have your places open on the outside? Like, wait, dude, you got to get the wall. I have cameras, that's why I'm alive. This one, let's get the walls, let's get cameras. Let's get the security. Let's get all of it

Let's make it mine. Let's make them crime harder to protect these people from coming. I absolutely agree Thank great. All I'm saying to you is all I'm saying to you is if so many of our establishment Pro-military industrial complex politicians from the left and the right Support protecting the borders of Ukraine How about we start with protecting borders of America first? And then it doesn't have to be first though. That's probably we have to stop is first. We can't know America is first You're protecting Ukraine is putting America first. No, it's not Tell me this what happens if Putin decides to take a

NATO nation? What happens? What happened? What happened? Where were we? Let me ask you to ask who's going to Article five? Yeah, one country, according to Article five, they have to all attack, right? Okay, great. But who caused that? Who caused it? If Putin takes NATO? Yeah, who caused that? I would say it's Putin who caused it. You're gonna blame NATO. Putin caused that. Okay, so let me ask you a question When did the NATO get started 49 okay? 1949 NATO got started first time to have 12 countries that were part of it right and in every year they recruited more and more and more I think recently they just had Finland that joined. I think there are 31 right now give her take

I think if you can look it to see how many members it is, I think it is 30. Okay. Okay. Thank you. 31 members today. Okay. And have you noticed the original countries that join NATO were more far west. And gradually they're getting closer and closer and closer to who to what happened the whole purpose of the NATO was to defend against who Soviet Union, the fear, communism, all of that stuff, that's how it got started to protect because they were being aggressive. When did Soviet Union fall? 91.

What do we know with NATO? The France walked away from NATO, I think in 66, and then they came back in 2009. I think they're the only ones that walked away and came back. So Russia's kind of sitting there saying, hey, NATO, some would say NATO's also gets credit for unifying China against Russia against Iran against potentially, and I'll Saudi against all these against India against Brazil. NATO gets credit for that as well, aren't don't we get credit to NATO for that? That credit goes to NATO, right? If you're going to keep recruiting other countries, you think my ass is going to sit there and not be with good for America then to do what? To help NATO grow? Why? Because it's part, it's

their allies. We're, they're going to protect us. To the point of what though? To the point of what? Because who's the enemy? Who is the enemy of NATO grows? Who is the enemy? I mean, you could say China could be a potential enemy. We don't have it. I wouldn't say we have a specific enemy now, but China, but since you guys are, since you guys are, since you guys are about asking questions, is it fair to say that NATO grown is what caused China, Russia and Iran to unite to get closer? Yeah. I'm sure it has. And in which of those countries hate us the most?

Who hates us the most? I would say China. Who else? You think Iran loves it? You think Iran wakes up in the morning saying, I like our, we love, we love Americans. Yeah, but are you saying that if NATO did grow, I said, wouldn't be encroaching on other land? I don't think I don't think I'd go. You got to go.

If NATO didn't grow, do you think that Russia would not be encroaching in Ukraine or elsewhere? I don't think that would be the case. I think NATO growing is forcing him to do something. I think NATO is pro war. I think NATO wants to see the way the way they've created their treaty and Article 5 forcing that if you attack one or more members, they have to attack. Well, it makes every nation in NATO stronger that way. I mean, I mean, why was NATO formed?

Because of Soviet Union. And Soviet Union fell in 91. Right, and right after World War II, a few years after World War II. Sure, yeah. So like imagine going back then and telling the found whoever created NATO, there's the various countries that another country invaded a country close to NATO, and this is what's happening. What do you think they would say?

Do you want to go back and say two thousand years ago Would the enemy of the Assyrians were and let's make sure you're You want to go play this thing? One side you're arguing what's best for America and what's best for America is that yeah, NATO gets stronger So that's so I mean that's my view so how many friends of yours are married? Most of them okay, so whose marriage is more important to work at yours are theirs Do you see where I'm going when I keep going back Then so what if all of a sudden all of your marriages your friends stop going through divorce

Do you drop your marriage to try to save every one of their marriages? Is that what you're supposed to do? No But if if their marriage impacts your marriage in some way it's worth helping save it to what extent though to what exactly I know that you like that the lie that we've been creating. If you ask, no, it's not, trust me, I've spent more hours on trying to save marriages with my business because, you know, you just have to be in a model to see what I'm talking about. Thousands and thousands of hours of going through this. Yes, it's necessary, but not at the cost of what you're doing. You should be healthy. My priority should be to take care of my health and then to tell you, yes, that I'm getting my suit, what do you call it, to fit it, right?

And the guy that comes in does my suit, what happened to your waist? You lost four inches on your waist. Nice. I'm like, damn, kind of looking at this. Pretty cool. What's going on here? Well, guess what?

July of 2019 is the last time I had soda. And I stopped having breakfast five months ago. I had not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying.

I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm saying. I'm not sure what I'm good. That's what worked for me. Now, me telling you that story and then showing you how to do it and encouraging you how to do it, then you go do it instead of me spending the last four months to try to get your waist to get smaller. I mean, do you realize our ludicrous that argument is America first America come America's first. Yes, America's first. America's first great. Then if America's first Let's address Michael Jackson said this in a song. See that that's where I think we differ What man in the mirror now he says if you want to make the world a better place

Take a look at yourself. Yeah, that's man in the mirror. Yeah, give it a mirror Insisting the mirror America's interest was for America's way looking great make that change. America's interest in what's good for America isn't only what's within our borders. You would agree, right? Like trade with China. There's yeah it's called foreign policy. Totally. Okay, let me just get to the heart of the matter here guys because I feel like we're you guys both have actually valid points. But you know how they say follow the money, FTM. So one of the great things that, you know,

we can learn from the past is not to repeat them. What, you know, to give kudos to Trump, he has not gotten us into any just endless spending wars, nonsensical wars. So kudos to that. But I understand, you know, I've said publicly the record, we can't just not do anything about Ukraine. We are part of NATO, but the question is how much?

So I have questions for you guys, and I'll let Pat answer as well. How much money can we dedicate to Ukraine? How much trillions did we give to Afghanistan for nothing? So is the answer zero? Is the answer trillions? What's the answer? Because you can go back and forth level involvement, but the actual substantive issue is how much?

So how much money and how much time should we spend in Ukraine? Well, I think that's an impossible question for any of us to answer. I think that we should... Adam's trying to be the voice of reason. I think he's trying to. I appreciate it. Take control as if I need Adam's help to really kind of the whole thing together. I'm not asking for help.

I'm asking for. Go ahead. Are you saying that zero is the number? Let's let's see. This is actually a good question. And I understand if you say we don't have a real answer to it. I you know, as a finance guy, he's coming from a place of what percentage of money should we have given

to what we do we get three trillion would have been okay with a hundred billion two hundred billion what we did with the afghanistan or in ukraine go ahead so i'd say from my point of view as long as we can keep american soldiers out of ukraine well as long as we can do that with that and or out of Ukraine or out of war in general Like if if we can prevent a world worth three or we can prevent things from escalating the point where we

Feel like we need to send us soldiers overseas to fight in a war I think that's the amount and I mean of course not like so brilliant today No, not blind check, but I think within reason, I don't, I can't calculate what, what that is, you know, I don't know all the finance. I would say like, like giving the money and trying to come up with some sort of treaty or agreement between the countries, I feel that money is buying time so we can do that. I hope that they're working on something. Do I know if something's possible?

I don't know. I don't know what's going through Putin's head. I don't know what's going through Zilens, he's saying. I think Pat's point. I think it's zero money. I think what Pat said is having a leader that's strong enough and has the balls to go to open a dialogue and talk with a guy

to not have something like this happen and instead of having a guy to not have something like this happen and have instead of having a guy that's just like it's poo in, he's evil poo in twice like blaming everything on poo in, I say zero money, right? I mean, they have enough money at this point. We just need somebody to be able to think about where's the dialogue between Joe Biden and our administration, this administration with poo in, there isn't. It's just he's the evil bad man. You know, he wants to start a world war three. And that's it.

We have to support them and the support to Ukraine, whatever they want. They're going to get there needs to be a happy meetup. Do you, I don't think you're saying zero. I am more closer to zero than I have about this. But what, what, what about like if China was to take Taiwan, do you feel the same? Like we should complete the say. Well, let me, let me give my argument for give my argument for both and then you can push back. For me, you know, last month, July 11 of 2023, NATO members came out and voiced their opinions

about expediting the process for Ukraine to be part of NATO. You know what they're pretty much saying with that? Well, you know what they're saying with that? What they're saying is... Article 5. Yeah. Like, I agree. I don't know if people understand like they're trying to say like that that decision is trying to say guys that's how world worth it. Yeah. So now to the skeptical audience who is anti-establishment audience, the people that like the Kennedys of the world, the people that like the Trumps of the world, the people that like the RFKs of the world, some parts of is the people that like these guys that are anti-establishment, they're sitting they're saying, why would you guys want World War three? Well, shit, a lot of

military defense contracts and Raytheon and Northrop Grumman and General Dynamics and Boying and all this stuff. Okay, yeah, all right, cool. I got shoes a lot of money to be made. They're perfect. Now, the other side from the establishment could say, no, that's exactly how to protect Ukraine, because if Ukraine becomes part of NATO, now Russia knows if they attack, that's Article 5. Okay.

So now you got all these missiles pointing at Russia. Okay, from all these different military bases. Okay. For them, there are missiles, but they're in that, and I think from Poland, Germany, if I'm getting some of these rights, I don't know, it's some random, we some countries. And Russia's similar saying, do I look like an idiot to you? Like, do I look like a moron to you? What are you guys doing? What do you want to do? You guys claim you want peace? This is your way of getting peace. Yeah, I don't know about this.

So the other argument is Ukraine, the amount of natural resources they have and the political beliefs. They're very important to the world. They provide a lot of different things to everybody. It's really spending a lot of time talking about that. That to me is a logical approach of an argument to take and say, hey, we need Ukraine because of X-Y-Z. Russia's argument is going to be Ukraine is Russia. And this is what happened, you know, the war saw whatever he's going

to take that angle. China Taiwan is I almost feel China is watching this case study with what's going on with Russia and you know, to see what's going to happen there. I think Taiwan's a slightly different argument of our involvement to go there or not to go there. If I would much rather do the following. Here's much rather way for me to do business with you. You know, this is how I work if you're an employee with me or a salesperson with me or a partner of mine and you leave. And we're no longer together.

I say, look, in this relationship, I'm not going to do anything to hurt you. The only one in charge here to hurt this relationship is you. You know why? Why? Because I'm going to support whatever you want to do. Go get them. But if you still clients, if you go do this, if you steal people from this, if you do any of this stuff,

you're telling people publicly that you're against me. Now you have a problem with me, no problem, and we'll let the lawyers and whoever needs to do their thing handle it. I've been on both sides, I'll trust that, and you're publicly saying, I don't value this relationship. OK? Perfect.

What if we come up and we meet with Russia, or we meet with China, we keep them close in a relationship wise. Not a relationship where it's like we become best friends. But look, we send you a lot of business. You send us a lot of business. Let's just be straight up. You can't do anything with Taiwan. Here's why. Pa pa pa pa. If you do, you're going to force me to put these tariffs on you and it's going to hurt the business and you're going to force me to tell NATO to not to business with you. It's really going to hurt a lot of things that you're doing. I can take that approach with Russia and...

Well, haven't we already kind of taken that approach with Russia? Not with sanctions. Not Biden. Trump did. And it worked. There was no tax under Ukraine. There was still sanctions against Russia, right? The approach Trump took was a different approach than the approach we're taking right now.

The approach Trump took is let's sit down, let's talk and let's figure out a way to make this work. And it was a peaceful world for those four years. Yeah, but this is the population is different now with Russia. Yeah, because Biden made it easy for Putin, Putin, he invited him to the bench. He said at one point, he said, I welcome a small incursion. He actually invited them to attack. They want war. They want war. It's a money machine.

Yeah. So I don't agree that they want war. They definitely want war. It's money when the lot will keep pushing it. What what what what? How many weapons are you going to sell if nuclear bombs start going off? Well, if nuclear bombs are going off, 70% of the world is done. Exactly. Just so you know, 70% is done done immediately. And it's not going to take a long time if this happens because it's going to be a reactionary thing. So, you know, you're playing with fire,

NATO's playing with fire, they are. And some people could say, so you mean to tell us, we leave Ukraine alone, is that the right thing to do? If that means we can prevent a World War III from happening, the answer is actually yes. Yeah, but I think others would argue that not getting involved in Ukraine could lead to World War III as well. And so, and maybe we'll never be a debate.

Yeah, because if there's a nuclear war, there is no podcast. We're doing a podcast with rocks and we're looking at each other. I don't know if Lardo might actually still be America. I think we'd be spared. And by the way, if the others time guys, please subscribe to the podcast. We're going to be here for a little while longer. Yeah. For anything. Yeah. Thank you. What does this Robby just put up? I think that we are going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades and it depends on what it does. If there's one thing, if it's a minor incursion,

and then we end up having a fight about it. That's when Biden went to Cayman, he's like, well, it's basically, well, yeah, not the strongest word. And then after this, they invaded. You know what I mean? So what do you guys do for people to be able to find? What projects are you guys working on right now? So we're on Twitter, Crashing's time,

my last name, he's Ed Crashing. We have a podcast, Crashing Cast. Everything's on Twitter though,rashingstein, my last name, he's Ed Crashing. We have a podcast, CrashingCast. Everything's on Twitter though. So basically, if you want to find us, just go to Twitter. It's not Twitter, it's at X. Yeah, you can. Yeah. So Rob, if you can put the links below for people to find out of the debate, the GOP debate,

who are you guys impressed with? Was it, you know, was it something like? I think Nikki Haley, I think. Number one, who's your two? I think Haley, they good. Vivek, he disappointed me. I was actually kind of getting behind him a little bit, at least from a GOP perspective.

I think Haley, the good. I also, I mean, I like Chris Christie. I think he was funny, but those on the right are kind of like. Who was last? Who was last on your list? I mean, I'd say what was the governor of North Dakota? Who was his side? He was on the corner, and then the other guy, I mean, he was say what was a governor or North Dakota? Yeah, like, I mean, this is fantastic.

I, this is robotic. Yeah, like is robotic. Like, I really thought the San is going to have a chance when he first announced, but I feel like he's going down as as Floridians. I think I mean, Trump, Trump, fall down. Yeah. And, and your, your, uh, guesst a destination of who's going to be the president in 2024, you're thinking it's going to be Biden.

You think somebody is going to be Biden? I think it's going to be Biden. I, I, I wish that Democrats would nominate someone younger, but that's not going to happen. I deal situation. Who would you want? Would you want to look a new someone? Michelle?

Michelle is not going to run. I, you never know. Sleeper. No, not the Hail Mary. Okay. All right. Well, Gank. It's been great. Having you on tomorrow. Appreciate you guys for coming out. Thanks for great. Thank you. It's always a respect anytime. Guys are willing to come and sit down and talk and you know, respectful yet debate and do all of that. I salute you. Not a lot of people want to do that. It says a lot about the fact that you want to go out there and sit down and have these conversations. Thanks for having us. I got a lot of respect for people like that. So I appreciate you

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