PBD Podcast - Cenk Uygur |PBD Podcast | EP 139 |

Episode Date: April 2, 2022

In this fun episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by political commentator Cenk Uygur to discuss the mainstream media, Donald Trump, kicking Joe Rogan's a**, and much more...  TOPICS How mass media has changed over the past 20 years  Is cancel culture mainly on the right? Is mainstream media 'left'? Mainstream media doesn’t report the news, they manufacture consent Is Trump a con man? Should Elon Musk pay more in taxes? What is the perfect tax rate  Cenk Uygur slams Ted Cruz as a b*tch Why lobbyists should be banned from Government/How to get corporate donors out of politics Cenk Uygur discusses kicking Joe Rogan's ass Should 'The Young Turks' change their name? Cenk is a Turkish American political commentator, media host, attorney, and journalist. Uygur is the creator of The Young Turks, an American left-wing sociopolitical news and commentary program known for promoting progressive politics and left-wing ideals. Watch The Young Turks: https://bit.ly/3NJqzXw Support WOLF PAC - https://bit.ly/3qWCQxX Support Rebellion PAC - A Clean PAC fighting for progressive, working-class values across the country:  bit.ly/3uM4v5H To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail] Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list About:  Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Five four three two Okay, so for those of you that have been wondering whether this is an April Fool's joke or not It is not we actually have jink Yuger in the house today, so we're not playing a joke on people. No not yet Some surprises. Yeah, but look I'm a guy that's been in a, what do you call it, a prankster family, my entire life, my family from both sides of pranksters. But this morning, you rarely are able to get me on April 4th.

I'm on my way here, focused on what I'm doing. I'm driving the car. Mario sends me text message. I gotta tell Mario this folks, I'm begging you to get Mario prank, Mario. Send everybody to prank Mario. Mario's our CEO. Oh yeah, runs the show after he says just an FYI

that the team is still trying to repair the water damage that happened last night to the new switcher keyboard. It's not looking good, but we should start on time with the old sling which always gives us issues. We just send somebody over to Best Buy to get another one. So I call Mario and my Mario. What do you tell me?

It's a pass can cost by $8,000 I said who did this? So I think George you know spilled some coffee or something on the I'm losing my mind. It says I gotta go there having a meeting and I'm like I call them back He says but we're gonna be okay April false. I'm like you gotta be kidding me. So Marry got me today I gotta get credit anyways. It's good to have you on today man. Really. Thanks for coming out good to be here Yeah, I I have obviously followed your stuff for many years. You can't nowadays with what you've done over the last decade

or two decades. For people that don't know you, I think one of your channels got 6 plus billion views online, 5 million subscribers. I think total you guys got 13 million plus subscribers, 10, 12 billion plus views from MSNBC to come and do what you're doing with young Turks. A lot of people have a love and hate relationship with you.

We're going to talk a lot about today, which we're not going to spend a lot of time talking sports. That was off-limbs. We're going to talk some politics. But for some people that don't know, maybe give your journey of how you went from there to young Turks. Yeah, sure. So we started the young Turks about 20 years ago. At the time it was the

first original talk show on series satellite radio and then I always wanted to go online video and so we had an interesting journey through a lot of different radio first including Air America X cetera, but then we went online and At the same time I got the MSNBC show and the current TV show and those were done at the in parallel So we're actually the oldest online show period long this running daily show on in internet history And we're the first partner ever for YouTube so we've now accumulated 20 billion views and 21 million subscribers across all the platforms. We do everything from 30 second videos

to a 24 hour channel. So we have on almost all the platforms, Roku, Pluto, Samsung, anywhere you turn on, just type in TYT, you'll get us. And team-wise, how big is a team today? If you were to say young turks as XYZ employees, how big would you say the team is? We're about 70 right now. And how much of that 70 is talent? It's a good question. Well, so it depends on how you count, because if you count all of the part-time hosts,

then we're at about 100. So because we have about 30 people on air right now, but off air, like I said about 70. Perfect. I mean, that's congratulations. 20 billion is ridiculous. So when you're saying all this means you stayed on. You're survived. That's the thing.

So for some that don't know, how much has changed in media. Obviously, if anybody can talk on that, speak on the last 20 years, it's you. Because you talk about how, listen, I was a broke radio guy trying to make money, trying to figure this thing out. I busted my ass. I'm finally I got my break, et cetera, et cetera. How much have things changed the last 20 years? Everything's changed. Everything. So about 24 years ago I wrote to my friends an email saying online video is gonna be TV and so I'm gonna head to online video right now Because I'm positive that it's this is in the 90s when a well as a thing. Yeah 98 I wrote the email And what was the force? How did you even know that that was gonna be a thing? This is before YouTube. Yeah, so

I'd like to think that I'm a logical guy. And so I look at patterns and I see where things are going. And people are always unfortunate. A lot of people just look right in front of them, right? It's really hard to see a couple steps ahead, right? But if you logically look at something, you can clearly see where it's going. So look, first of all, television has these massive costs. Online video, you saw it that had no gatekeepers and no overhead costs. So or very little overhead costs. I'm like, that means there's going to be a million of them. And they're going to start to get more and more popular. And they're going to serve the audience because they don't have

advertisers. They have to serve the audience first. The problem with TV and I've been in TV pitch meetings is that they serve advertisers first. So I'll be in a TV pitch meeting and they'll say, okay, what's Walmart going to think? And I think, okay, this show is doomed because Walmart wants vanilla. They do not want interesting programming. Out of her seat. They don't fight no bickering. just nothing, no drama. And by the way, do they say that to the actual company? Like, well, they say, this is the kind of talent we're looking for. If you got a guy like this, we'll advertise during this time. Well, it's not about talent. It's about the shows. So now, now we're fast forwarding a little bit, right? So when I'm when I'm taking a TV pitch meeting, now we're in the middle of my career,

and we're trying to pitch something from TYT Network.T. Network to one of the TV stations. And so at that point, they're not talking about talent as much as the content of the show. What kind of show is it, right? And so the minute you start talking politics, they're like, whoa, everybody's out. Everybody's out. Nobody wants it because they live in the old world. In the old world, you're going to get hundred percent of the audience a hundred percent of the market You don't want to offend anyone. It's 1955. It's okay. There's only three TV stations You put it on you shove your product down their throats. It's gonna be fine. It's a legacy media like a city media Yeah, you know legacy advertisers. By the way Right now still the same thing. I mean, it's not nearly as bad

But unbelievable. I just read an article in digital just a couple of days ago about how the brands are still like, whoa, I don't this new fangled YouTube thing. I don't know. Like, you know, just now, yeah. And there's still advertising on TV. There's no under 45 rules on TV at all, zero, zero, zero, zero. Right. And brands are killing themselves. They're just I said on Twitter you're better off burning the money in publicly because at least people will watch. Okay and nobody's gonna watch you on TV and so look we have 24 hour channels and we're on the new TV those OTT platforms right. What don't they understand yet? They just an

old school way of thinking they don't want to give up what they had what is it? The advertising industry is the single most conservative industry in America? I don't mean politically. I mean just by nature. So, and one of the quotes was, well, nobody's ever gotten fired doing this in the last 20 years by MTV. Well, that's the problem. You should all get fired. If you're a brand trying to appeal to younger viewers and you're on television and not online Everyone in your marketing team should be fired So you're just nuts if you're doing that you're just burning the money

Here's a question for you here because what it makes me think about is the fact that You know how Justin Bieber was found where did us refine Bieber on YouTube or something like that some story I don't know if you familiar with this or not it was even it was Scooter Brown Scooter Brown found them and then he teamed up with us or they did a song or even the guy from What is that don't stop believing is that journey? Yeah, okay journey? They brought a Filipino guy from the Philippines who was you know, he's like this guy's got the sickest voice He becomes the lead singer for, you know, journey, and they found him on YouTube.

Who would Logan Paul have been 20 years ago? Who would have a lot of these guys been 20 years ago? Like literally, I'm wondering like, a lot of these guys that are big vloggers today, big YouTubers today, who would they have been 20 years ago? Yeah, maybe they would have gone on to MTV somehow, and that would have been the route. That makes sense.

Probably, but I'll tell you what, guys, the another reason why online video was always going to win is because there's just too many of them. Since there's no gatekeepers, the audience is going to find what they like. So it democratizes media. So look, I'm not a big fan of Logan Paul, but you put them on and there's a community that's gonna say, hey, I like that guy, okay? Before you can get passing gatekeepers. So the only people that were allowed on were people that the executives liked.

So who do the executives like? Well, they like relatively rich people who say that the status quo is great and that you shouldn't change anything. And remember, we're doing a show for Walmart, so keep it vanilla. That's why TV was doomed. The most boring stuff in the world. What are they doing? A domino show now, I think. I mean, they're watching dominoes. I mean, it's just sad. They're going to do finally the last TV show is just going to be bingo. But if you think about it again, capitalism

wins, innovation wins again because they were able to compete against the traditional guys and the traditional guys who don't want to do any work and they're kind of bullying the talent and saying you better do this or else, now there's so much competition that you can't do that anymore because the reality of it is the talent is going to find a place to get their voice heard. This the market we're living in, you can't silence people today. Well some people are trying to silence certain people. All I'm saying is if the talent is a real talent, he's going to make it or she's going to make it if they go and do the work that's necessary.

Let me bring up a quick point with TV. I want to get your thoughts on this the other day with your dad and we were looking for the the March Madness game. You're talking about the legacy media. These should be three channels, the big three, ABC, NBC, CBS. And I remember whatever was in late 90s, early 2000s and all of a sudden it was like 50 channels. It's like holy moly. And with past dad, seventy nine to be eighty the man days God bless you Gabriel um, and we're looking for the game And there's 900 channels like oh yeah, yeah, I think it may be on 847. Maybe it's on uh 140 like you knew the channels. He knew what was going on in the sports. How many does he really watch that?

I'm saying is that like it's so fractured It's you're talking about the democratization of media. How does that factor into that? I mean, there's so many TV channels. There's so long at a big three. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, so real quick, a couple of things there. Number one, yes, because of the fracturing, you will not get the big three again.

You will get relatively large companies, Vox, Buzzfeed, Us, right? But there'll be a lot more talent spread out. large companies, Vox, Buzzfeed, Us, right? But there'll be a lot more talent spread out, and nobody can stop that. So you're not gonna get sign felled, or ER like shows where 25, 30 million people are watching at the same time.

That's like when everyone tuned into Dallas for the finale, and you got 100 million people, that's not gonna exist anymore. Probably not. There's gonna be some 10 poll events, Super Bowl, Oscars, kind of, et cetera, and new ones will pop up. But so that's one of the small downsides

because then we don't share the same culture anymore. I mean, that's a much larger topic that we should get into. But you know, you kind of alluded to cancel culture there. I grew up in a nearer of massive cancel culture and it was, uh, progressives who got canceled. So I remember sending a tape into a Minnesota radio station and then the program director was decent enough to call me back and said, this is fantastic. And he's like, and I'm like, all right, great.

What time slot do you have available? And he's like, none. I said, why? He said, you're on the left. All of my other programming is on the right. So I'm not going to counter program in the middle of the day. So, you know, good luck to you, kid, because you're really good. What year was that?

90s. We had already started on a series and they were allowing us to pitch it to other radio stations. So that was around 2003. Yeah, I mean, the lesson, cancel culture hurts both sides. It's not just one side of some it's flip flops though. It goes one side for 10, 20, 30 years and then whoever's in charge then it goes to the other side then it goes to the other side. Either way we just want to

hear people's arguments. Yeah. And let us let us let us as the viewer make a decision what's right and what's not. Yeah I think that there is one clear line for sure. There's an arguable second line, but advocating for violence is unacceptable. Okay, so that's my clear line. And so other than that, I've defended Ben Shapiro and culture when they're giving speeches on college campuses. I didn't think Megan Kelly or Don I'm sorry. Any of those people should have been fired. It doesn't serve anyone to fire people. It doesn't serve the nation. It doesn't serve the to fire people it doesn't serve the nation doesn't serve the conversation why don't you like when man Kelly made the comments about uh... black or white Santa Claus or whatever it was that uh... no in in the NBC case it was blackface right um... she made the comments about Santa

Claus when she was at Fox so NBC fires right obviously they were just doing that because the ratings weren't working out and they want to dump the contract that's keeping it real right but if they were serious and they were just doing that because the ratings weren't working out and they want to dump the contract That's keeping it real, right? But if they were serious and they were just outraged at that suggestion, which is preposterous, honestly Then why don't you have Al Roker who's really mad about it and other people come on and have a national conversation with Megan Kelly That way people will learn why blackface is offensive instead of not having any idea all day know where people just randomly get fired right. What about putting whoopion two week time out because she had some unsavory thoughts. Yeah that was absolutely absurd. Now having said that I still think today a majority of the cancel culture is on

the right wing. It started in the right wing. It's still in the right wing. It's still in the right. Yes absolutely. How How did it start? How can you say so the modern Cancer culture started with Barry Weiss, which is hilarious and ironic. She went around the country getting famous for trying to fire Professors who dared to talk about Palestinian human rights. So if they said Palestinians were equal and should have their own state She would try to get them fired, okay, and so she started cancel culture. Where was that? So that was, that's a good question. About 20 years ago, I think. That was probably New York Times. What was she? No, no, it was before she was at the New York Times. That's how she got famous. That's how she got famous. They're not pro-Israel enough, firearm, firearm, firearm. You can look it up. Okay. So she starts cancel

culture. As she pretends that she's a victim of it, which by the way, she she never was she was never fired from anywhere. She decided to quit the New York Times to make more money on her own so look The what are right when you can't say behind closed doors. You can't write this you can't do this You know, I mean that stuff happens just like it happened to you when you're over there saying you got to talk more like a senator You get whatever word they use with you senatorial when you're speaking like a senatorial, right? So that kind of stuff is probably what you know, rubbed her the wrong way. Do you agree with him that the cancel culture is mostly coming from I love to know I do agree with him in in the past. I do agree with him in the past.

But in the past, you know, the medium model was a different model yet the Walter Cronkite to the world you didn't have a lot of what you have today today's more showmanship i mean things changed after morton down in junior after a lot of these guys that were more showments and then guys started realizing that's how many get i bought some more down in junior you know who you come next thing you know, he's number one ahead of Montel, head of Ricky Lake, head of Oprah Winfrey, head of Jerry, wait, what? Who were you in 18 months? So people said, this is how I get to the top fast, rather than the old William Buckley. So today our guest is Jenga Yuga. Are we gonna talk to him about?

It's shock, it's just what for TV. So now people are saying, okay, that's what sells Fantastic, I'm gonna go do this just like rap change music change the shock factor, you know like when ice cube wrote the song You know what was it? Not in w a he had a song about cops Cook the police. Yeah, so so then next thing you know, so okay, this is this the right. I'm gonna take easy those guys changed hip hop right So I can see that but but the part I want to go with today is so you say cancel culture still on the right I'm gonna take easy those guys changed hip hop right so I can see that but but the part I want to go with today is so you say cancel culture still on the right would you I think you would agree that mainstream media outside of foxes pretty much on the left I don't think you would debate that no actually I would debate that okay so tell me tell me tell me why yeah um so uh I can give you a thousand examples, but first of all, structure wise.

If you say CNN, etc., MSNBC are socially liberal, I'd say I generally agree with you. If you say they're economically liberal, laugh and laugh and laugh, no, they're economically conservative and massively conservative. So CNN, for example, non-stop, can I curse on here? Nonstop shits all over Medicare for all. Every time they talk about it, oh, Medicare for all costs $34 trillion. Hey, liar, 32 trillion dollars. Hey, liars, why don't you actually also say that same study, first of all, paid for by Koch industries said that it saves 34 trillion dollars. So overall, it saves two trillion dollars. So overall it saves two trillion dollars.

Why do you leave out that context? They leave out that context every time. Any time you talk about a progressive economic position and you go back to the debates and see the smug Anderson Cooper's Jake Tappers looking down their nose at Bernie Sanders going, how are you going to pay for that? When we start massive wars, they never ask how you're going to pay for that. When we do massive tax cuts for the rich, they never ask how you're going to pay for that. When we do massive tax cuts for the rich, they never ask how you're going to pay for that. No, they're definitely economically conservative. And what explains the economy then? Why are they socially

liberal? But economically conservative because they're corporate media. So what do corporations want? Why are they socially liberal? Because they want to sell to everyone. So I remember being at a Google presentation once and Coke was doing an ad. And it was there, not their US ad, but their international ad. And I was shocked by how many Muslims they had in that. Now I'm grew up Muslim, so I'm not against it. I'm great. That's wonderful.

It's inclusive, et cetera. But I was just like, wow, like a third of this ad is Muslims. Then I was like, hello, a third of the world is Muslims, roughly, right? And so are they going to, a third world is Muslims, roughly, right? And so are they gonna be anti-Muslim? Of course not. International. International.

Of course not, they gotta sell the 1.6 billion Muslims. Are they gonna be against black people? Of course not, they gotta sell the black people. Gay people, same thing, right? So that's why corporate America and multinational corporations are socially liberal. But economically, they're viciously conservative. They, because they are structured to maximize profit.

I get that part and you're right, which by the way, that to me, that to me eventually ends up making them honest if anything, it forces them to be honest. And I know you may disagree with that, but at the same time, I think it's fair to say that anybody to the right of you is considered conservative like you're probably more on the Bernie Sanders camp you've supported us so as a socialist even a Democrat is a conservative to you even a

center left that Joe Manchin is conservative to you even a Christian cinema is conservative to you even a even an Obama is probably conservative to you probably a Biden is conservative to you, even a, even an Obama is probably conservative to you, probably a Biden is conservative to you, probably Hillary Clinton is conservative to you. So then if I were to ask you, who would you say is a liberal in your eyes to the outside of Bernie Sanders? Who would you say so are some of the liberals today? So let's clarify a couple things. So first of all, it's much to the annoying subordinates.

I am not a socialist, I'm a capitalist. So I'm in what I call a Democratic capitalist which I could explain right. Please and so and to be fair it's not the whole audience at all. The audience generally likes what I'm saying obviously right there are audience right but there is some portion of the left that the word capitalist really grinds their gears. Yeah I was almost gonna say Christ. Yeah I was like, I don't know. Anyway, they don't like that. But I could explain why I believe that. But in terms of the core question of are those people conservative, they're not just conservative to me. Manches cinema obviously, showing conservatives, but honestly, Biden

is a huge conservative. And I could, but it's not just to me. And by the way, I can show it to you. I can show it to you. That's why you're a hypocrite. That's why you're a hypocrite. And in the polling, but it's not just to me, guys. I can show you in the polling that two thirds of the country is progressive. And if they, if they got beyond the filter of both right-wing media and mainstream media, corporate media overall, they would think Biden is way too right-wing.

Okay. And so, and, and I actually can't believe that anybody would think he's a liberal. I can't believe it. And so, who's actually progressive and progressive and liberal are different. Now, a lot of the left views the word liberal as a little bit derisive. Like, it's neoliberal. Like, the word liberal is almost too conservative. Change so many times, you know. Yeah. But the's neoliberal like the word liberal is almost too conservative I think so many times yeah but the word liberal like the word socialism is almost meaningless because everybody thinks it's something else when they're talking about it same with conservative too yeah well you tell me because I you know for me conservative is is pretty clear but maybe I'm wrong about that and I'm sure there's gradations, right? So but progressive is the left, right? So

sure, AOC Bernie Sanders, I co-founded just Democrats. So all the squad, Jamal Bowman, Cory Bush, I love those are progressive. Those are your guys. Those are the people you support. Yeah, 100%. So go back and when you said, you know, you believe the CNNs, the MSNBCs, they're more right wing socially liberal, but, you know, fiscally conservative fine. At the same time, some may say, Jank, you know, even though you're taking that position, if you wanna see a channel, Bashin' Musk, you'll see them doing it.

If you wanna see a channel, Bashin' Capitalism, and, you know, what the wealth you're doing, you'll see them doing it. If you wanna see a a channel bashing capitalism and you know what the wealth you're doing, you'll see them doing it. If you want to see a channel bashing a Trump or a DeSantis or any candidate on the right, you'll see on CNN and MSNBC. So those somebody may say, well that's where they are. Every candidate that I put up say the right is saying is every candidate I put up, DeSantis, Trump, you know, Nikki Haley, they keep passions. Right? So someone may say they're far left. You're saying they don't do that?

No. So you think CNN MSNBC and mainstream media supports Trump and the Santas? No, not at all. Okay. So let me explain because you mentioned a couple of different people there and that's why I wanted to clarify. Sure. So are they against Trump? Of course. That's super obvious. Are they against the Santas? Yes, they are. Okay. Because they view who are they for? They're for the establishment. They're for the status quo. When you're a multi-billion dollar corporation, you know why you like the status quo? Because you're at the top. You don't want to change anything when you're at the time. Okay. But when you say Nikki Haley, you're actually wrong. Nikki Haley crossed over to establishment and they love the establishment. So for example, Chris Christie establishment Republican, ABC CNN, all giving

multi-million dollar documentary advertising all around Chris Christie. Wait, why is ABC and CNN doing these giant specials on Chris Christie? I don't know where it's done anything in years and years because they love establishment Republicans. All my life I've watched Meet the Press blow John McCain and every Republican that's ever gone oh double-lutter John McCain which war would you like to start now Senator that's such a great idea let's start another war tax cuts for the rich why that's brilliant let's have another guest thought he agrees this is a, you know And you fill in the blank clear McCaskill Joe mansion. It doesn't matter look at that They also agree with tax cuts for the rich. Well, I guess everybody we're all agreed tax cuts for the rich

So they don't like Trump because he's a he's a populist I think that he's a fake populist, but at least he's playing that route and he's wild He's out of control and he's wild, he's out of control and he leads to instability. So the establishment does not like that. So the only person they dislike more than Trump is Bernie. They would burn down the house before they would like to. It's an amazing cow.

If you remember this, when this was going on year and a half ago, when I was upset that they didn't let Bernie win, because Bernie had you when I said so do you remember the day where it all kind of all happen like within 24 48 hours we're all saying oh okay this guy's ahead no this person's ahead no Amy this no Elizabeth Warren this no Pete this no Bernie Sanders this no everyone's dropping out and they're getting behind Joe Biden like wait what I can tell exactly that yeah I mean remember, but go ahead. Yeah. So Bernie won the first three states.

Now look, mainstream media is not in the, they're not in the business of manufacturing news. They're in the business of manufacturing consent. Okay, so Noam Chomsky wrote about this decades ago and he's absolutely right. So they do propaganda for a living. It's the marketing arm of corporate rule. So when Bernie won the first three states, they did not do what they always do when an establishment candidate either a republican or democrat wins the first

three states everybody in media goes oh my god we have the prosumptor winner everybody clear the field clear the field I don't have to get over right they do that even when Hillary Clinton loses one of them even before there was any election they were like Hillary Clinton's obviously the winner Hillary Clinton loses one of them. Even before there was any election, they were like, Hillary Clinton's obviously the winner. Hillary Clinton leading. In fact, I criticized CNN on CNN for doing this. They used to count her delegates, which were the establishment democratic politicians

before a single vote was in. So they're like, Hillary Clinton has a 500 and nothing lead on Bernie Sanders. Why is Bernie Sanders still in the race? Right? So Bernie was the first three. They're like, oh, yeah, whatever. Okay, no big deal. I mean, he's not necessarily going to win. He's not, I mean, he's the first three. They're like, oh, yeah, whatever. Okay,

no big deal. I mean, he's not going to win. He's, I mean, he's unelectable. He's unelectable, but they panicked internally. They panicked. And then you saw Chuck Down and others come out and go, oh, Bernie's brown shirts. And, and by the way, these are, this is on MSNBC, so-called liberal channel, right? And then Chris Matthews came on and said, oh, you know, people like Bernie wins, people are going to get shot in Central Park. And I remember when Castro was threatening to do that, et cetera, they go, they, they, they all pile on and the worst of the worst was MSNBC. They're a wolf in sheep's clothing.

So they come and all, we're literally, but we're on the left. Oh my God, but Bernie's on a lectable. No progressive was electable. Oh, we brought in Claire McCaskill to be our expert. Wait, didn't she get her ass handed to her, even though she was an incumbent? She ran all the way right wing, tried to copy the Republicans. It's a losing strategy every single time, but MSNBC loves it because it's economically conservative. And by the way, I have personal experience at MSNBC. I partly got moved out of prime time because I was criticizing Barack Obama and they hated that and they literally told me.

So there's no question that they're economically right away. So then for me, this is how I see it. I see Bernie and Trump as the same people. And I know you may not agree with this or you may not like this, but I see them as same people to explain to you why. Because I think the left, like I'm surprised the right didn't do to Trump with the left it to Bernie. I'm very surprised at it.

They tried every single way to get this guy to not be the candidate because they don't have control over the guy. The people they fear is whoever they don't control. You can't control Bernie, you can't control Trump. That's why I think they're the same. I don't sit there and I agree with Bernie's policies I'm not a socialist. I escaped you run to not have to deal with the high taxes and the control all that That's the fear that a lot of immigrants that leave their own countries who come here

And I know your one is well, but that's what a lot of people from you know that in this capitalist They don't want to deal with that so on the other side with Trump He was a loose cannon. He's getting out there calling out. They're pretty much calling out the same people Trump and Bernie are calling out the establishment They're both calling out some of the same swamps. They're people even of Bernie's a lot more part of the swamp You know a lot of people on the right will say he's never had a real job all this stuff And a lot of people on the left will say Trump's never been involved in politics What the hell does he know about getting policies on all this other stuff?

You'll hear some of those things But that's why I think those two were the same. But even going back to it. So if you say, well, yeah, CNN and all these guys, they're still fiscally on the right, DeSantis has got tens of millions of eyeballs right now. People that follow the guy. And he may be their next superstar, even on Trump, you got 78 million eyeballs.

Whatever the number is that he got the votes. Picker 80 was it, 801 78, I don't know if I'm getting a numbers right or not. But so he's got 78 million eyeballs, whatever the number is that he got the votes picker 80 was it 80 170 it I don't know if I'm getting a numbers right or not, but so he's got 78 million eyeballs If you're not going to give that guy any credit and so this will go to my next question with you I'm really curious on what you're gonna say with this so Every but I think a lot of times and maybe this is a left and a right thing but for the last six years It was more of a left thing left in media site They did not know if Russia was real, but man they kept talking about it like a broken record They had no clue if this thing was real, but thank God they had some story to talk about every day

Viewership another thing with Russia another you know, who's the one guy that got up shift? What shifts first? And as a Adam shift I'm getting oh my god. He's saying it. There's got to be something is like what are you talking about and annexing you know you find out that uh... with the report that came out that uh... was the report that came out with uh... not the mother the other one that just uh... spying on the door and the room comes out hey this is really what was going on what we don't really know this and then they stop talking about it and then you see the hundred right and laptop

you know the spit everybody said no this is just media miss information another Republican misinformation, another Russian misinformation campaign that, and then folks are sitting there. And I'm looking at CNN's eyeballs, like, so folks are sitting there saying, who the hell do you believe today? Do you believe them? Do you believe, who do you believe today? It's very hard for the regular view and the listener that's not involved in the politics like you are

that have committed their life to that this is their work. It's the average guy that's like, listen, I'm just trying to see why I believe. You seem inconsistent, you seem consistent, you seem consistent, you seem inconsistent. Who the hell do I believe? That's why I say I think CNN, MSNBC, a lot of the mainstream media lost a lot of people because all they

want to defend is maybe not progressives, but Democrats on the left and they don't want to support anything that the Republicans are talking about and they lost a lot of people. So I got to flip your frame here because you're right on so many things but it's just the wording is off and it makes a big big difference. I don't speak English, it's not my first language. Thank you, Bill. Bray, it's my fifth language. By the way, not my first language either. So here's what I mean by that.

It seems like there's supporting Democrats, but they're not, like, I gave you the example of Christy, I gave you the example of John McCain, I can give you tons of Lyramacats. Yeah, tons of corporate Republicans that the establishment press supports as well. Now, they're, but yes, they're mainly in love with corporate Democrats. That is true, okay? Because corporate Democrats, unfortunately, it pains me, and that's why I fight them so

much, have become the most corporate, right? We will do whatever corporations say and we'll pretend that there's change on the outside. Oh my God, we've got a black person who's doing everything corporations want. So everything is fixed. No, everything is not fixed. So for example, $15 minimum wage is so important to the black community. 47% of blacks in this country make less than $15 an hour, right? What do debt corporate Democrats do? They put out somebody like a Kim Jeffries to say, now he goes, oh, I'm for the $15 minimum wage, but behind the scenes, he helps to kill the $15 minimum wage. But as long as we got the right face on it, corporate rule is awesome. No, it is not awesome.

So it's not that they're pro-democrat, it's that they're pro-corporate rule. And so the populism that you're seeing the similarity between Trump and Bernie You're right. You're not right. It's not they don't they're not similar on policies Of course not right and they're not and they're not similar on on earnestness like Bernie super earnest I think Trump is a great a con man, right? But they are both cannot be controlled that is true and that is why Establishment media despises them. And so establishment media is lie to us our entire lives.

Can I draw a correlation to what you're saying? Because the control neither of you two can be controlled. And I think that's something that you both can agree upon is that you'd like to be able to say with the hell ever you want to say, do what you want to do in America. Exactly. I mean, that's undeniable who wants to be controlled.

But you made a couple of points here, and I just want to kind of put the align the stars and see if I'm right here. Essentially what you're talking about is old school versus new school. Now you brought up the, we started off the conversation with media and the establishment media and legacy media versus new media and the democratization of media. Then you move on to establishment politics versus basically the trumps and the bernies and the AOCs or messin' up the establishment. And I'll even go one further, that's essentially what crypto is doing to typical mainstream the monetary system. Essentially what is happening is here is the establishment wants to control what they

control. And what you're basically saying and whether you're a Bernie guy or a Trump guy is, they're rattling a lot of cages and the establishment don't like that too much. Yeah, 100%. Let me just go back to agreeing with you on the core premise, which is really important, right? So the reason why people are looking to these alternatives now, the Trumps, the Bernie's everything else and our programming, all the different right wing, left wing, etc. It's because the one thing we all know for sure, and I'll give the right wing credit on this. They know this better than the left wing does, okay? Is that the politicians are full of shit, okay? And and what do what has established from media told us our whole lives? and the left wing does, okay? Is that the politicians are full of shit, okay? And what has established from media told us our whole lives? The politicians are honest, they're having real debates,

they're all really principled and they're honorable and you have to respect them and they're worthy of so much respect. Whereas we look at them and go, well that guy is obviously lying, that guy is obviously cheesy, that guy is the most plastic person I have ever met. That's why in 2016, everybody in the press said

it's gonna be Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio. And I said, you guys are a joke. There's no chance it's gonna be. That Marco Rubio is a boy, okay? He's the most plastic fake politician you'll ever meet in your entire life. And that's why corporate media loved him. They loved him. They loved them.

They're like, it's got to be a rubio. It's got to be a rubio. I'm like, have you guys looked at a single goddamn poll? I said Trump would win the Republican primary about four months before they started voting. You know why? I'm not a genius. One, I just know the countries in a popular smooth, they hate the lies of the establishment media about how politicians are so goddamn wonderful because that's just the most obvious lie of all time Right and secondly I could read a poll and every poll had trump at number one by a lot and they're like no Don't believe you're lying guys by the way every poll in 2016 had Bernie beating Trump and by large margins and Hillary Clinton was losing the Trump and Every day ABC CBS NBC all of them would come out and lie to the American people

and say Hillary Clinton could beat Trump Hillary Clinton is better at beating Trump than Bernie Hillary Clinton is more electable every one of them was a lot you think Bernie could have beaten Trump it's not me it's the American people the polling indicated he clearly could have beaten Trump on election day nine I know they didn't want an election against each other right on election day Bernie was beating I know they didn't want an election against each other, right? On election day, Bernie was meeting Trump by 12 points. So you run an election, the Republican of Spirum, you're going to wear down that 12, right? But you're not going to wear down the whole 12. 12 is a giant monster league.

Do you remember those polls, Pat? Now that it's saying that polls are credible, but I mean, that's a whole not- First of all, first of all, first of all But we learn about polls in 2015 2016 none of them are right So the credibility of the only poll I May give some credence to is I look at Pewes good gallop as relatively trusting any Fox news poll CNN poll MSNBC But I don't I don't look at any of that stuff. Those are the only two I pay attention to But folks if you're listening to this super chats We're gonna come to some of the questions. A few people

may comment here, Adriano Valentino from Australia said, Trump is an uncontrollable conman. Question mark, sank your associate path. The next guy responds and says, at least he's a conman. At least he's not a politician, which is pretty interesting. But that last one's got it true. Yeah. At least it's a profession. Yeah. So, we'll take Collins in the last 30 minutes, probably. So just stay tuned and Tyler, if you want to put the number there for some people that want to call in and the super chats. But let me continue.

OK. So can I address the con man thing real quick? Sure, of course. I mean, look, he's been adjudicated and admitted to being a con man. Both his charity and his university were giant scams. And he had to pay huge fines, $25 million fine, because he was running scams, almost everything he runs as a scam. And by the way, does everybody

know that he's gone bankrupt six times, that he's an awful, awful businessman? Couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag. Biggest dumbass I've ever seen in business. What he did in the Atlantic City, it didn't just sink his own companies, he sank the entire city. He's one of the worst businessmen in American history. And by the way, you see the incompetence of the Democratic Party that they couldn't point out those simple facts when they were running. Let me ask you this. What's harder to do? Okay, be honest. Let's see, I'm really curious on what you're going to say. You think it's harder to be a senator for 50 years or do you think it's harder to be in free enterprise free market capitalism competition in New York for fifty years what's harder to

do? Well Trump has proved that the economy is much harder because he went bankrupt so many times. It must be really really hard. Well, wait a minute, but the point is it is a there's a big difference between me being in the arena and getting my ass kicked, but at least I'm getting in the arena versus being a fan on the outside and I'm booing the guy in the arena.

Let's give some credibility to the guy that's got the balls to be in the arena fighting. Teddy Hose of Free Married Game. No, Patrick, I give you credit, I give me credit. We're in the arena, we built these things on our own, okay? So Ben Shapiro, I don't agree with his politics, but he built daily wire and it's a real business now. It said, I give credit, okay? Crowder, I don't think takes big money and I think he did it on his own.

I give a lot of credit. Trump had his dad hand him $413 million. He's a spoiled little bitch. You okay? And he blew the whole $413 million because he's a moron. I give him zero credit. You're a kid, yes. Okay, when you're the whole 413 million us because he's a moron. I give him zero credit. Yes. Okay, when you when your kids When you die and you have a living trust your smart guy

I'm sure you got a living trust. I'm sure you got all that stuff in place when God forbid something happens to and that money and the Business goes to them are you gonna call your kids a spoiled whatever whatever because they're gonna get your money? No, no, no, there's a difference. What do you do with the money? So if my kids then use it to do good in the world or to just set up a business, etc., then that's great. If they take it and they go, and they give me the money,

I'm gonna put my name all over Atlantic City. He he he he. And then they are spoiled and they make fun of other people while actually not doing anything, not doing the homework. I can't even read. I'd be embarrassed if my kids were anywhere near as lazy and dumb as Donald Trump.

They can't read past the page. They used to have the presidential briefings, and we're just three, four pages. They had to boil it down to a page because he was a little upset. Oh, because because, but because the guy is dealing with so many different things that he typically wants to have the one page instead of 50 pages.

But no, listen. Can I make a quick point on Trump? Yeah. Okay, this might shock some of the people. I'm not a Trump fan. I don't know, you know, probably don't know my politics. I mean, there's a lot of people here that think I'm a crazy socialist left wing because I'm just not a Trump fan.

I'm a capitalist. And I like what you said about democratic capitalism. I like to come back to that at some point. But again, not a Trump fan. But what I am willing to do is at least give him credit for some positive things that he's done. As an example, you're giving him zero credit, bro. I will say as much as I don't like seeing him on TV, he's a great marketer. I can say that guy is a freaking brilliant marketer. He gets eyeballs. He knows how

to play the media. He knows how to rattle cages. Like, I'm at least willing to give him credit for the things he does well. And even if it's for policies, I'll say, look, can't stand the guy. But policies wise, he's done some good things. Are you saying that there's zero credit? Zero, what's the one that's saying that? No, I'm not saying that.

Everything is situational. People get into which camp are you in? Are you left, right, Biden, pro-Biden, anti-Biden, so for example, I think Biden is doing a great job on Ukraine. I think he did terrible job on domestic politics, total failure in domestic politics. So we can get back into that later. So why? Because it depends on the facts. So Trump, I remember in the beginning, there was a plant in Indiana and he threatened a bunch of politicians and he threatened a bunch

of businesses and it looked like they were going to stay. And I remember doing a video at an airport because I like that so much because then MSNBC was crying, oh my God, can you believe he's threatening people? That goddamn right, the president is supposed to use carrots and sticks and he was using sticks effectively. Now unfortunately, that one, as with almost all of them, was just marketing and then that plan actually outsourced all the jobs later and trumped into a goddamn thing about it. It's all fake, et cetera.

So, but if on rare occasions, but for example, he didn't start any new wars. Great, I'll take it, I'll take it, right? There's no reason for me to disagree with someone. If they're agreeing with me, oh, it's because it's Trump, you have to call it bad. No, that doesn't make any sense. You show me a sensible policy and I'll be in favor.

No, and by the way, I, and I've said this many times, I will say it again. I think Sanders is a true believer. If you get married in Russia and you go to, no, not Russia, but I think he went as honeymoon tools, uh, a lending route or St. Petersburg or something like that. You went to Russia. This guy is a true believer from day one, and he stayed there. So maybe not a communist, pretty close to it.

Socialist, my opinion, I may be wrong, but the guy's been a true believer. Here's what I'm convinced with. And tell me if you feel this way or not, because this goes back to you saying, you know, how he's done with Ukraine, Biden's done a good job with Ukraine. And I want to kind of push back on that a challenge You little bit and see if your Views are different on this which if it is the audience gonna win so Here's what I'm convinced with I've not been following politics my entire life I'm a business guy. I've been in insurance. I started with Morgan Stanley day before 9-11

I was in a military three years my mother was a communist. They grew up to communist manifesto That's what they saw as a hero who he was, what he did. Car marks my dad's an imperialist. He was a shoguy. So I saw them battling it out all the time. And being a kid one time, my mom, I think it was 13, 14 years old. I'm having an econ class. And my teacher, Miss Lou starts talking about politicians and Democrats and Republicans and the defendant. And I come and I said, Mom, are we Democrats or Republicans? And my mom says, we're Democrats. I said, why are we Democrats? She says because the Democrats are for the poor.

Republicans are for the rich. I said, when I grow up, I want to be Republican one day. Meaning I want to be rich. I hate to be in poor. I'm a welfare baby. Parents got a divorce. That worked out a $0.99 store. But here's what I'm convinced that's going on

when I watch some of these things. Okay, from my experience I started following politics say a Carrier or whatever the carrier is. I don't know if it's 0 4 or Right when I started, okay, but we're kind of have to start paying attention to it I Don't know why I may be wrong, Jenk and give me your on this, has been on this for a long time. I'm convinced both party doesn't like a candidate that they don't have dirt on. Let me explain. I'm convinced they don't like it if they don't have three things on you where they know for a fact they can control you, then you become a leading candidate.

Meaning, maybe Bernie Sanders is not a good candidate because we ain't got shit on this guy. Guy doesn't party, the guy doesn't do this, the guy doesn't, we can't control this guy. Okay, but Biden, that's the best candidate because dude, we got a shit ton of things on this guy. Hell, yeah, we can control this guy, right? Or Obama, look, I think we can control this guy Why maybe we got a couple things on Obama, but Obama doesn't have money

So maybe money is gonna drive him so if we give him opportunity to be a celebrity to be this to be that maybe that's a driver So then you look at a guy like on the right and you say Trump Well, we got a lot of dirt on this guy. Let's throw it all out there. All right. Let's see if this is all we're gonna Destroy this guy stormy's throw it all out there. All right, let's see if this is all we're gonna destroy this guy. Stormy Daniels, I never happened. He's like, no, it happened. She goes on Jimmy Kimmel, you know, Michael Avanari. Oh, you know what, you know what,

Kira, make Google, I actually thought he loved me and we would actually spend time and he told me once. He loves me. He never disrespect me. He's like, man, I believe him. She seems very believable. Oh, you know, here's how many people, African-Americans, you know, housing, what he did. Yeah, it was a long time ago.

Well, here's what happened. Yeah, it's not true. Well, here's Bush recording what you said, you know, grab a bite. Yeah. Nah, nah, nah, it's just, you know, it's just blocker. We talk. I think they used every dirt they had on trump then they had nothing afterwards then they said shit now we got a fabricate stuff

so for example quomo i'm convinced i may be wrong pushback because i want to get smart in this area i'm convinced that quomo was somebody that was talking at a game on the democratic party and elected this guy and they said, hey, come on. We got a lot of stuff on you beyond closed doors, bro.

You better shut your mouth and kind of do what we turn, telling you to do. You're in a little bit too big. And you're starting to get more eyeballs and everybody else. And you have more voice sound because everything you do in your life or whatever he was doing during COVID, remember that whole thing that you almost felt like he's the president, not Trump being the president.

And they said, we can't control this guy. Boom, get him out of there. It's not like they had dirt on this guy. They could have used those things a long time ago. So maybe I'm naive. Okay. And maybe I think the reason why Biden got elected is because the Democratic Party had the most dirt on that candidate more than anybody else. Am I wrong? So it's not right or wrong. It's off by a shade, if you ask me. Okay. I think the essence of it is right, but but the way again, where the way you're framing is a tiny bit off. So let me explain. From my point of view, please. Okay. So the candidates that agree with them,

they don't need to use any find any dirt or use any dirt, right? So Pete Buttigieg will do anything a corporation asked him to do. Okay, so he's a robot made in a corporate factory somewhere. And so you don't ever need to dig up dirt on Buttigieg. In fact, at TYT, we went and did investigations of how he ran his little town in Indiana. And it was awful. And it was, by the way, rife with racism. Now did you see any of the mainstream media use that?

No. But if Buttigieg had gone progressive, they'd have picked up our stories instantly and said, look at this racist guy, can you believe what he did? He fired some black police chief for complaining about their, they would have gone nuts, but they choose not to use that. By light about going to help Nelson Mandela in South Africa. He went, he went, but he said he got arrested with Nelson Mandela.

That is not at all true, okay? And the mainstream media just let it go. They had that dirt, they never, ever, ever use it. Why? Because Biden agreed with the corporate agenda. Now, when you don't agree with the corporate agenda, then it's not that they already have the dirt. They'll go find the dirt and then they'll use it. And if they can't find dirt, they'll just make it up. How do I know it happened to me? Let alone Bernie, let alone Trump, let alone anyone who doesn't agree with the corporate agenda. What they used to do Patrick in the old days was assassinations, right? So like JFK, etc. And people say, oh no, it was really a guy on, you know, the RVs was sure. Sure Well sure sure sure. Okay, don't be absurd. And you see that's manufacturing consent.

When they get you to believe that a bullet can move at angles that it cannot physically possibly move, right? So, but these days they don't need to do that. That's messy. Instead what they do is character assassinations. Okay. So you get a little too close to power and you don't already agree with the mainstream corporate way of thinking you will be eliminated. That's when they dig up the dirt, use the dirt, manufacture the dirt. So in my case, I ran for Congress and the New York Times, all of a sudden painted me as a right winger.

just check time to see I just I'm sorry I'm not checking I checked time to see what we got what do you have after this can you go uh uh uh okay so we're gonna go longer than our two-hour usual so we're not wrapping up at 11 o'clock so go ahead you were saying yeah so for in my case nearer time said uh anti-Muslim wait a minute I'm atheist now but I grew up Muslim my family's Muslim my background's Muslim what do we now make Muslim doesn't matter We're smearing you Would didn't you don't you want to at least say? Oh, it's kind of interesting or ironic or Etc. Because he's actually from a Muslim background. No, they didn't even say that right then the alt-right had done the smear campaign

Against me where they took a joke about Beech's reality and pretend it was real like I had said it real New York Times writes it like as if it's in my agenda Jank who believes in legalizing sex with horses The New York Times are you insane? Did no one in the building think hey guys? That sounds like it's probably a joke like you guys want a double check And they're like no, nope just write it as if it's in his platform, right? That's an alt-right total toxic sludge horse crap that the New York Times printed.

Why? Because they don't want a progressive winning. They can't control me. LA Times, and then they said, I had David Duke on the show. I called him a racist and anti-Semite. Anti-Semite, a bigot. I called him every name in the book.

New York Times says he had David Duke on the program to share his anti-Semitic views. Oh, come on. No, they're liars. They're lying to you. Because when someone... You don't think, you don't think everybody, for example, let me put it back, I don't

know. But you don't think people will say, well, Jenk, that's not fair because you guys do that at Young Turks. Would you say we never do that at Young Turks? We never do that at Young Turks. Okay. So you don't take one snippet of let's just say what I don't know what a Anne says or who a man is not much in TV today.

And culture your side and culture or let's just say Shapiro or whoever he say look what he's said in this part and you don't show the whole thing. So I'll give you an example. When McCain all the way back in 2008 because we've been around forever. A local Arizona station had done an edited video of McCain's talk and it made him look really bad. We thought it was not edited. We thought it was real. We aired it one day. The next day our audience says to us, hey, you know, that was edited. Here's the whole thing. We come back the next day. We say, our bad. We trusted that local station. They were wrong. They took McCain out of context. We don't like McCain at all,

but you always have to be fair, and he didn't say that. Look at the context of what he actually said, right? So if you show me a clip where I'm missing context, I will definitely show that on Aaron, go wait a minute, let's look at the whole thing here, because we don't need the lie to be right, okay? Where there is, the reason that mainstream media

has to lie is because people want higher wages. They don't want lower wage. People want healthcare. They don't want to have their family member get cancer not be able to be treated. So they have to lie to push their agenda. And their maximizing profit is a hell of a thing. And so to come all the way back to Democratic capitalism, capitalism is the right incentive structure, but it must be checked by democracy

If it is not checked by democracy, you will run completely out of control and right now that's exactly what's happened The the corporations have seized the media and have used it to brainwash the American people into compliance So when that's why I say on that core issue, I get that the right wing isn't always more right and more animated than the left wing is because they see that control and they hate it. And that's why they always talk about freedom and they don't like the mass mandates,

they don't like the vaccines, but they're just getting misdirected. Now, it's the perfect examples under Obama. The Tea Party started because they were so mad about the bank bailouts. Right wing, you were right. You were right to bank bailouts. More monstrous. They were horrible. They were a total robbery of the American people. And the Coke industry saw that and they're like, good, let's take advantage of these guys. So they brought in their buses. we covered it. Coke industries paid for buses, paid for meals, and they didn't bring them to a protest of the banks. They brought them to a protest

of Obamacare to try to defeat them getting more healthcare. Wait a minute, what the hell just happened? It was corporations that took your anger and directed it to their benefit. It was amazing. Listen, that's the, and by the way, Koch brothers have a very respectable competitor. His name is George Soros. I don't know if you've heard of him before. He plays a similar card as well. So it's not like he's an angel going out there. He's got competition.

So it's not like Koch or sitting there alone by themselves. But what I will say is the following, when that happened, that's the part with capitalism that I have a problem with because When it comes down to somebody doesn't run the business properly I do let them go out of business or let somebody else buy them out very simple by the way most people forget Wammu do you remember Wammu? I don't know if you remember Wammu. Did you did you bank with Wammu?

I mean I remember Wammu, you know was blowing up you'd go into the. Wammu and you'd stand up and you'd actually see the bankery, like shit, I'm actually talking to somebody versus that whole, you feel like you're going to the DMV with a fake four inch class thing you're talking to. And I'm like, okay, I like Wammu style, right? You know, Wammu went from zero to 330 billion dollar company, 330 billion dollars, you can pull this up right now. But Wammu, just type in Wammu 330 billion dollars, okay?

Type in WammU 330 billion dollars. Okay. Type in WAMU 330 billion dollars. You'll see some article that have come out. Papa, Papa, let me see where you have WAMU, WAMU bank. WAMU, Washington Mutual, maybe he needs to put that. See, go a little bit closer so we can see it. Go back. You will see somewhere that says 330 billion dollar. Pull it up, he means that. Yeah, so WAMU was a 330 billion dollar company, right? Do you will see somewhere that says $330 billion. That's what I mean.

Yeah. So, WAMU was a $330 billion company, right? Do you know what it ended up selling for? Do you know what Chase bought them for? Do you know the number? Chase bought WAMU for $1.9 billion, okay? From $330 billion to $1.9 billion, guess what? A lot of those companies want to unmute yourself,

because we're here in the typing title. So, they went from $3.30 to $ 1.9, but at that time, guess what? They're not letting that happen. Like, oh, too big to fail. I'm sorry, they maybe made some bad choices. Let them fail and have somebody else buy them out. That's when the argument from the left or folks like yourself has some credence because you'll see favors being done for the bigger guys that you're not letting go out of business

You kind of got to do it at the same time. I'll flip it as well and kind of debate myself On this point where a guy named Bob and Moshe. I don't know if you remember Bob and Moshe is Okay, Bob and Moshe used to be the CEO of uh, uh, uh, yeah, there you go 330 billion dollars of assets. You see that 327.9 and it's all for 1. nine billion dollars and if you go highlight the one point nine billion dollars right there Go up four lines five lines to the left boom chase bottom for one point nine billion Dollars is what they pay for can you imagine it's like that's like a three hundred thirty dollar thing you buy for Dollar ninety cents pretty insane for that to happen But Bob and Moshe was retired yet cancer. He was dying. It was a former CEO of met life

And AI G calls him up and says we want you to come in be to see us like listen Bob Ben Moshe was retired, yet cancer, he was dying, it was a former CEO of MetLife. And AIG calls him up and says, we want you to come and be the CEO. Like, listen, I'm dying, I got three years left to live. He had acne everywhere because he was taking the steroids shots and all this stuff. So it was uncomfortable because this is a good looking 6, 4, 6, 5, he could talk, he talked shit, and he talked to you like a man's man. He didn't talk to you like the typical Wall Street guys, right? And I've been in many meetings, I've manyners with this guy and they call him and he says, I'm into Brovnik. Am I winery? If you want

me, I'll do it for $10 million, it's not a penny less. This is a lot of money. Says, let me explain to you what I'm like. I'm like a prostitute, except the very expensive one. That's his line, right? Anyways, they bring them in. He goes to the government, gets $183 billion, pays it back within a few years, and pays it back with $21 billion of interest. And the next thing he knows, he dies. Literally right after they paid back everything, the sky dies. And he says, here, I was on my deathbed, Kai.

And if you read his book on his deathbed, his wife's to his right, his girlfriend's to his left, Kai. The wife that he left anyways, but they weren't together, it was divorce. But the point is, everybody loved this guy. He was one of those. He was a man's man leader. This is where I'm going with this.

I'm watching MSNBC, and I don't know this guy's, you know who he is. He's always on, he's a business, he's on the business guy, business side. And he's interviewing Elizabeth Warren yesterday, okay? And I'm sure you know what Elizabeth Warren's stick is. You've heard it, and you probably agree with some of it, right? Where she says, you know, Elon Musk, he's this,

he's a free loader, you know, I don't know if you saw that or not, he was on with what's his name? He does the thing. When you're in the morning. When you're in the morning. You know who he is. That's CNBC. CNBC, yeah.

So, so anyway, so he's calling a rod and he says, hey, so, oh, he's a Freeload. Elon Musk is a Freeload. And he says, shouldn't we celebrate this capitalist? He's one of us. He loves America. He came here. He created all these jobs.

Should we not recognize? No, he took money from, so what's your position would warrant musk that conversation? So this is the, what drives me crazy about the national conversation. None of it makes any sense. So Are you for Elon Musk or against Elon Musk? Wait a minute that question doesn't make any sense the question is what's Elon Musk doing? So if you say are you for Tesla? Well that creates electric cars and that's gonna help to climate and I'm in favor of that So that's great

So that's a great thing that that Elon Musk is doing. But in terms of paying taxes for decades, he barely paid any taxes. So wait, why would I be in favor of that? Billionaires on average right now on federal taxes pay about 8% because of all the loopholes. Am I in favor? Should I say, like some progressives will say there shouldn't be any billionaires. I don't agree with that, right? So you did a great job, you built a great business, it helped the world, generally, you became a billionaire, fantastic, right?

But should you pay your taxes? Fuck yeah, you should pay your taxes. So no, when Elizabeth Warren says they should pay their taxes, otherwise they are a freeloader, she's absolutely right. So let's unpack that. Let's unpack that. Okay. So this takes me to one area where I may have, we may have deferring opinions, but I kind of want to process it with you. So here's, here's how I look at it. If the government has a million dollars to give to you or to give to the government on who's

going to do better job with the money, I trust you're probably going to make the million dollars to give to you or to give to the government on who's going to do better job with the money. I trust you're probably going to make the million dollars into two million more than the government's going to turn the million dollars into two million. Okay. Now, you may disagree and you may say, Pat, I disagree with that, but they gave this guy four hundred sixty four million dollars. The sky in the Elon Musk, the free load, right?

And he takes that four hundred million dollars and it a 10-year loan that they give him. He pays it off three years later in 2013, okay, with interest at the time he has 6,000 employees. He takes it from 6,000 employees to 100,000 employees. Do you think that $464 million that he got from the government, that he borrowed? If that was given to somebody in the government, do you think they're going to get that kind of return and produce 94,000 jobs of people in the free market that taxpayers don't have to pay for? So Patrick, let me ask you please. Please give them the 464. Taxpayers did. Okay, so the government did. So you just made an argument for the government being awesome

at this. Because they gave it to Elon Musk. The government made the decision to give it to Elon Musk and it turned out to be a great investment. But it's in the regulations government. But I agree. No, what I'm saying is I agree versus when we see some of this money when they're saying we're going to do 5.8 trillion dollars. Where's the money going to? Okay. So now let's break it down. Okay. So the government sometimes gives us subsidies that make a lot of sense. So for example, when they gave to renewable energies, Fox News went crazy about salinger because that was a company that lost money. But when you looked at the overall portfolio, that was a thing that Obama did really, really

well. The overall portfolio made tons of money and gave it back to the government. So that was a success story. And so Fox News eventually dropped salinger out because it was embarrassing because that government program totally worked. On the other hand, some government programs or actually most government programs are just built to be robberies. Okay, so people think, oh, the people on the left love the government.

No, it depends. What's the government doing? Is it invading Iraq? Then I hate it, right? Is it saying, hey, women can't control their bodies? Then I hate it. It's big government, tyrannical, jackbooted thugs coming in telling me what my wife can do or my daughter can do,

fuck off from my life, government, okay? So what is it? What is the government doing? So a lot of the subsidies are just robberies. So when you, right now, we still give billions of subsidies to oil companies. Why? They're the most profitable companies in the world. Why are we giving them subsidies? Those from 100 years ago when it made sense, now they don't make any sense at all. And no one thinks they make sense. They just do, like, mention constant subsidies to coal.

Why? He owns a coal company. Manch is one of the most corrupt people in Congress. So, but they're all corrupt. You name it or they talk about Hunter Biden or in hatches son was a lobbyist who just wrote off his dad, right? So whatever he wanted past, he'd go tell his dad and his dad, oh, technically we didn't meet at all. It was somebody else from my son's company, lobbying company. And they would pay the son millions of dollars. And then or in hatch would pass whatever the hell they wanted. So this robbery has been going on

for a long long time so it depends on what you mean by government. Yeah I agree with that where some of the money goes in places but we don't get the return but you give a money to a guy like this who's doing well who brings and makes money for you and he pays 11 billion dollars in taxes this year that he's actually selling some of his stocks because that's an event that's a tax event should we not celebrate a guy like that no when he pays his taxes i celebrate okay and but and you know the government force him to do that so he wasn't

gonna pay his taxes and it was the structure of that particular i don't know if the government force and no it was so patrick that that particular yeah so there's two different things that happened in that one It was the type of stock grant that he had it was coming do any had to pay taxes Not he wasn't choosing to sell at that point, but but he did choose to sell a lot more Which I think was him saying Tesla's probably at its peak and I mean take some money off the table while pretending But you see that you see what happens here then then here's what happens at this point So what happens what you just did is there's no way this guy can ever

win with guys like you. Never. No, that's not true. But wait a minute, but what you, you just speculated and you, that's a speculation. First part, okay, fine. I get it. Like they're forcing to pay tax, but you say now he's paying more. Oh, it's probably because he thinks Tesla's that as best. So regardless, I'll take it. No, no, Patrick. I'll take it. I don't care why he's doing any. I can't politician if they're the Greece. But should we applaud this guy? If so, again, it depends, what are we applauding him for?

So Patrick, in your example, by the way, he gets 464 million dollars from the government. Yeah. Why didn't the government take equity? Think about it. If somebody, we're all business people, right? Who's fault is that? Okay, hold on.

So if somebody's gonna give me 464 million dollars, they're're gonna take a lot of equity they're gonna take 99% of that right that's how the markets work but when the government do does it they're like oh we got paid back that's not investing that's not investing why don't we get equity so you mentioned a a i g we bailed out a i g 100% the course absolutely and 13 million dollars of that was a backdoor bailout to Goldman Sachs Again that 13 billion dollars was nothing but a robbery a Goldman Sachs took chances in the market. They failed at those chances They should have been punished by the market for failing instead the taxpayers bailed them out because of the goddamn corrupt politicians

the taxpayers bail them out because of the goddamn corrupt politicians, mainly Republicans, but yes, a giant portion of Democrats. And Obama helped in that robbery. Let's keep it real. Now you say, when I say that MSNBC loses its mind, no, the beloved Obama and the beloved Biden and Pelosi are perfectly clean. Get the fuck out of here. So Mitch McConnell raised the billion dollars. So does Nancy Pelosi. When Mitch McConnell raised the billion dollars, I can you believe this corruption, the coke

industry is giving money to Mitch McConnell. When Pelosi raised the billion dollars, they're like, she's an angel. No, they're both bribes. Our politicians get bribed on the regular. So that, those subsidies to Elon Musk and a lot of the renewable energies turned out good for the country. So overall, I say, I'll take it. But the correct way to structure that is significant equity for the American people. I don't. I don't. I don't disagree. Let me give you an idea. On the one part out on this, okay. So the first guy raised money with for my insurance company, I said, he says, I'll give you a few million dollars. Okay, great. Equity or debt, purely debt. And it was a revenue-backed funding debt, which I don't know if you know how that works.

It's a very, it's a taxing loan, that it's a taxing money you're raising, right? So ends up being 33% you're paying per year. Yeah, I mean, so you know how that works, right? But you're a startup and you're like, ah, you know, okay, I'll take it, I need the money. We paid him off a year and a half later. The second guy comes around and he says, I'm gonna to give you $10 million. I said, $10 million.

And at this point, I want debt. I don't want equity. Yeah. He says, I don't want debt. I want equity. Of course. Well, that's $10 million. I got a guy paid $40 million. So he's sitting pretty saying, shit, can I get some more? So he calls me two weeks because he says, can I give you another $20 million because I said, no, no, no, I'm good at this point, man, we're gonna be totally fine. So I get that part, that's the government lack of ability to negotiate the right contracts for tax people, which he should have asked for equity in Tesla. It would have been better for everybody else.

Can you imagine how much the government would have made up, we got equity in Tesla. What does the government ever do that though? Actually get equity in these private businesses? They can, for example, I think when the banks all crash, they should have nationalized them in the short term. They then got an equity and then sold them back into the private market.

You don't want the government running all the private banks, that's crazy. But when they go bankrupt, you still need the financial system to function. But when you rescue them, as any investor that rescues a business would have nearly 100% of it. So the American people get it. So when they get back on their feet and they get profitable, we at least benefit from

that. Instead, what the American people do is constantly just give away billions of dollars to corporations and get nothing in return. Why? Because those corporations gave millions of dollars in campaign contributions to those corrupt senators and representatives. Yeah. So they're just getting free money because they're being bribed. I support the fact that Elon didn't give up equity good form because he doesn't want to be

controlled by them. That is a choice that the individual can make. Sure. Whether you want to do that or not. The last thing you want is every time I go to the D.M.E. they treat me like shit. Every time I go to a different institution that's not run by the government, they treat me better. When I was in the army, man, I was in the army for a few years, it wasn't like, hi Mr. Red David, how are you? And I was like, hey specialist, stand over there. Like, okay, I mean, that's just not how things work in free enterprise. He doesn't

have taken money, that's right. He made the right move, you always get the TSA versus clear analogy. Dude, clear treats you, Royal Hames, they've been, how are you? How's your day? TSA, can you stand over there, please? Sir, ma'am, I don't care, Stannie, let me see it. It's a very, very, so to the government ran organizations to put you in the street. When you travel, do you fly clear?

Where do you go? TSA pre-check, what do you do? I do TSA pre-check. I love it. I think it's perfectly good enough. I know other people on clear love it evencheck. I love it. I think it's perfectly good enough. I know other people on clear love It even more. I hear you I like both. I just want to be given a little bit of a better service by government organization And you don't get that by government organizations. They treat you like they own you by the way very different energy that you get

Yeah, I hear you on that too. And sometimes you need private and sometimes you need public right we can There's some things like cops military that we have to have public. That's why the word socialism doesn't make any sense. Every economy in the world is a mixed economy, every single one of them. Sweetens of mixed economy, wear a mixed economy, and so some of it is public. It should be public. We used to have private fire departments in America. It was a disaster because every house would burn down. Oh, he doesn't have insurance. We're not going to put out the fire. Oops, there goes a whole block, right? Some things need to be public, including health insurance.

So there just needs to be a perfect balance and mixture. There needs to be a mixture because life is about balance. So saying the government is bad doesn't make any sense. Saying the government is good doesn't make any sense. The question is, what are they doing and how effectively are they carrying out that mission? Yeah, you get some people that say taxes need to be zero. Well, you can't do that. I'm a public school guy. So where would I have gone? Would I have my

parents who don't have money? What would have been my opportunity? Military. I feel the budget that we have in a military some say, well, we shouldn't have that big of a budget for military. Well, that's because you feel safe and you forgot what war felt like. Maybe you've never been through war and know what it is to be a weak military where everybody attacks. It kind of pays to be a badass that nobody wants to attack you. But when that happens, the people that are raising that environment become too ungrateful and they're like, no, we're spending too much money. Now, do I think the current strategy of where the money's being spent on a military is

wise, while the other guys are investing into cyber and biome, we're investing in traditional ways of fighting 40 years ago. I don't know. I'm not easy to see the budget. I don't know ways of fighting 40 years ago. I don't know. I'm not in the to see the budget. I don't know where that's going to. I just don't know if that level of innovation is happening with the military funding. Speaking of taxes, I think you had this exact debate with Ben Shapiro.

I remember you're saying, I don't think taxes should be zero, but I also don't think it should be 100%. He was debating on like, yeah, the Reagan days, it was 91%. That's something in tax patch. What's the number you're, what's the number you're coming from? So Patrick, I used to be a Republican. So my dad left, started his dirt poor, southeastern Turkey, olive farmer,

part of the reason I'm progressive today is because in Turkey back in the 1960s, they had free college education to anyone who could score the top, okay? So my dad and my uncle worked their ass off to score at the top of those college entrance exams. And without any money, they got into the, he got him the best engineering school in Turkey. Then he set up his own company. I mean, he is the American dream,

and I interviewed him and conservatives loved him, right? And they're like, how did a jackass like, you come out of that guy, right? And so, and I'll, and it will go even further. My dad was basically chased out of Turkey by a communist. So he had set up a business and they were threatening his life because he was a capitalist pick, okay? Now, still we're progressive because we have none of this if the government did not provide a free college education of my dad.

Right now, I'd be an olive farmer in South Eastern Turkey, a lot of the right wings going, ah, and so we should have stayed there, bro. Yeah, right. So now having said that though, why did I leave the Republican Party? Because every part of it would turn out to be marketing.

So like you talk about the defense budget, right? Do we need a strong military? Of course we need a strong military. And so you can't have no military, and it's not, right? Do we need a strong military? Of course, we need a strong military. And so you can't have no military and it's not, right? But, but do we need this level of monstrous spending with no accountability where they waste billion after billion? Because it's not wasted. It's going on the pocket of defense contractor executives. So that correct answer is balanced. So that brings us to taxes. So when they had it at 91% Right then we were Republicans and and Reagan came in it was still at 70%

Our family still Republicans. Nobody paid 91% by the way at the time just so you know And that was you say that but nobody ever paid 91% It was so many loopholes the average guy was paying 40 to 50% who was making money because they, so even though I get what you're saying to 40 years of taxes, there's nobody that was paying 91% at that time. Yeah, and people have to understand that that's above a certain number.

And the number's super high. I think the famous story with Reagan was that he would make a hundred grand per each movie, and then after 200 grand is the time, this isn't the 40s, whatever it was, anything over 200 grand is a 91% he the 40s whatever it was anything over 200 grand is a 91% he's like I'm not doing a third freaking movie. I make 9% of the movie so he would just do two movies a year and that was basically impetus for his tax plan. Yeah so so there

is a point where tax are too high right but right now we've lowered taxes 128 times I'm making that number up it's hyperbole but but probably if you looked at the real number, it might be right around that or more. We constantly lowering taxes on rich and most importantly corporations, right? So, and then, they remember when they're in the Trump tax cut, they were gonna do $2 trillion, mainly for corporations, what happened Mr. Poppilist,

and then they were supposed to take away the loopholes, what they do instead, they did $2 trillion in tax list, they didn't take away a single loop, they were lying all the time. Republicans were lying, Democrats were lying, none of them took away a single goddamn loop poll. So it was a two trillion dollar giveaway to the richest people in the country and to corporations. So taxes should be around, it should be layered, right? Progressive progressive like Reagan

So late well progressive taxes is American like we've had progressive taxation in America. Where would you put the top line? You know above a billion dollars It would it'd be a it'd be a high number. I mean 50% at least above a billion dollars in earnings Erning in earnings. Yeah. Earned in capital gains. You're not talking capital gains. Capital gains. I put it whatever is the normal tax. Okay.

I think it's outrageous capital gains as low. Okay. Yeah. So, okay. So interesting. So there's a few things that, you know, you just said that, uh, uh, uh, I actually, you know, like when you said corporations, you know, I can't believe we, you know, we have the corporation taxes because our corporation tax were the lowest. It was the highest at 35 points. you know, like when you said corporations, you know, I can't believe what we have the corporation taxes because our corporation tax were the lowest.

It was the highest at 35 points. You know, nobody paid that to your point. You're right. Nobody paid it, but it was high because they just kind of let the money flow and they took it out by debt or dividends or in different ways that it can avoid paying that. 35%. And then I think Trump brought it down to 21% and then it's back up to 25. They're going to move it up by the way that's exactly how they good got pat cop over public democrats

republicans bring it down from thirty five twenty one by comes and goes i want to bring it back to twenty eight wait it wasn't a twenty eight it was a thirty five mainstream media doesn't say a word about it right then manches says i don't want twenty eight i want twenty five and then by insist i am the bold leader was gonna get it to you at 25. Wait a minute, you guys just took 10 points

off the corporate tax rate. Biden did that under the Obama administration, by the way, Bush passed massive tax cuts for the rich, but they couldn't make him permanent because it was so unpopular. Then Obama gets into office, has Biden negotiate with Mitch McConnell. He makes 94% of the tax cuts for the rich permanent. The Democrats did that,

not the Republicans. It was Biden himself. It was such a terrible deal that other conservative Democrats were livid. They're like, how could you give McConnell 94% on what he wanted? Biden, that's why I say Biden is conservative. Biden will give Republicans anything they want. 24-7. I think they have too many stuff on Biden, if you ask me. But here's the other part, you know, every time they're like, let's send money to, you know, to people to help them out and bail them out. Every time they print a money and send money to them,

what are your thoughts on sending money to people? Hey, here's a thousand dollars. Here's six hundred dollars a week, stimulus checks. What are your thoughts on? So, like an Andrew Yang model, even a UBI, who would assume you would support something like that. No, okay. So, it all depends on context. It all depends on the facts. So when we were in the middle of COVID, did people need to relieve checks? Yes. So I supported that completely. UBI has some issues

including they take away a lot of social services to be able to do UBI and I don't love that concept. And so, you know, and progressives are split about UBI. There's a lot of different thoughts on it. And I'm sure there's good progressives who love it and would disagree with me. But I think just giving money is not the most productive way of the government handling this. Do you know why I don't think? You know how they did a case study with UBI, I think in Alaska. I don't know if you've seen that study or not when they didn't Alaska, they started sending money. They're like, ah, this didn't work. Alaska still does it for people that live there because who they want to live. You know, it's like when

guys weren't ford Wayne Wright, my friends were in the middle. You know, what's the great thing about living in Alaska? Every year the state sends me $2,000. I said, yeah, when you ETS, are you staying in Alaska? Hell no, that's why they pay $2,000. I said, yeah, when you ETS, are you staying on Alaska? Hell no, that's why they pay you $2,000, right? Because you don't want to live there. Now some people will argue that if you like that lifestyle, more power to you. The one area that if you were to look at the current system

that we have, we typically ask this one question. I'm curious to know what your answer is going to be. Guy asked me this question, yes, and I'm like, you know, no one's ever asked me the question that I've asked others. I asked Joe Rogan this question out of the five Organizations and individuals. I'll give you tell me who's got the most power president of the United States Virtual governments, which is you know Facebook YouTube Twitter all those guys we call them virtual government And then you got the educational system you got mainstream media or you got the billionaires. In order of top five, who would you put as the most powerful and at least powerful, one more time?

President, virtual government, educational system, mainstream media, billionaires. So it's, I think it's relatively easy. Billionaires have the most power by an order of magnitude, a way, way, way more. The president has the least power by an order of magnitude, way, way, way more. The president has the least power by an order of magnitude, because politicians are basically servants. They're waiters and waitresses that the mainstream media does marketing for. They take an order, hey, a donor would like this, and they execute the order. Okay, I will pass a bill in favor of the donors.

So why did, for example, why did Ted Cruz turn around on a dime? Well, I'm gonna get Trump. I can't believe he said that about my wife and I'm gonna get him and he said that about my dad and he's a dishonorable man. And then he's like, I'm gonna phone bank for Donald Trump. I love Donald Trump. Please, you're elect Donald Trump. Okay, he's your story, by the way, 100% true. A, he's a bitch, okay.

But B, let me explain to you why he's a bitch. Because when he gave the speech at the convention and did not endorse Trump, he then went up to his daddy, which is Robert Mercer. That's his donor that gave him $13 million. Look, again, we're businessman Patrick. Somebody gives you $13 million, they're expecting something in return, okay?

Especially in politics, in business, they expect a return. In politics, what do they expect? They still expect a return in politics. What do they expect? They still expect a return but But through corruption okay, so when when he goes up to the switch on investment exactly when he goes up to the suite of the Merce's Robert and Rebecca they slammed a door in his face. They got a new boy. It's Donald Trump and Ted Cruz miscalculated because he lost his donor. That's why he was like, oh, I'm sorry. You in some my wife, all you like, I never really she's not that pretty anyway. Right. She's ugly. Donald Trump.

He need me to do. Okay. Because he is that's who they are. They so the president barely has any power. When when the donors tell Biden, you're not going to pass the $15 minimum wage. Shut up and do as you're told. Biden says, yes, sir, absolutely, sir, I can prove it. I forced the vote. The young Turks did a petition that forced Bernie to introduce $15 minimum wage in the coronavirus relief bill. They had it in the originally, they took it out and they were never going to vote on it.

Why? Because it was going to be embarrassing to the Democrats. Then Bernie does do the vote. He did the right thing. Wonderful. Okay. Guess what? It was just Republicans. Eight Democrats voted against it, including the two Delaware senators. The two Delaware senators are not voting without checking with Biden. There is top allies. That is Biden saying, I didn't mean it. I was lying the whole time. I'm against $15 minimum wage. The whole time pretending that he's in checking with Biden. There is top allies. That is Biden saying, I didn't mean it. I was lying the whole time.

I'm against $15 minimum wage. The whole time pretending that he's in favor of it. If you watch mainstream media, they tell you Joe Biden's in favor of the $15 minimum wage. Now it was a lie. So mainstream media, second most powerful on that list, but they're also servants. The wealthy are at the top.

Corporations are at the top, everyone else serves them. Okay, the educational system, that's how that is a variety. So because it has a history, right? And sometimes it's, sometimes it's wonderful. Like in the 1950s and 60s, education in New York was the best in the world and it produced amazing businessmen entertainers you name it, right? So when I was growing up, we had great public schools. I went to a public school in New Jersey, right? Now it's an absolute disaster in places like California. Why? Because they lowered the tax space and they privatized the schools and they funneled the money to private schools and they starved the public schools. So the educational system is important

because that's where we teach culture. Now the right wing would agree with me that we teach culture there, but we disagree on what we should teach. To put education three. I think education three presidents five. So who what's left? What was the digital media virtual? Oh no, my bad. Virtualgil government is is now you're thinking about no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're number three. You're only, yeah, but they're almost at number two. So you got billionaires at the top. Yeah.

Then you got legacy media number two. Then, and then virtual government's digital media number three. That's right. Educational assistant number four. And at the bottom of the totem pole, the president of the United States, definitely. So here's how I have it. Okay. Um, I have president at the bottom, just like you do.

I don't think President is, you got eight years. What are you gonna be doing? Quite frankly, eight years, you gotta have Congress on your site, Sen. There's a lot of moving parts, we'd be able to do a lot of things done, and they're funding you from the back, so you're working for them. I disagree.

That part I agree, absolutely. At the second to the lowest, I put mainstream media, because mainstream media is a by lifespan kind of like what you were talking about. So if one side of the political party gets the educational system, you got them for decades. So if you got for everyone conservative professor 12 or, you know, on the liberal side, you got a monopoly there. That's a full on monopoly. So that's problematic because you're able to indoctrinate younger generation coming up. That's a lot of power. That's number two, and I put number one of virtual government because I think those guys

are becoming just as powerful as the government if not bigger. They can do a lot of different things. They can have a lot of control over other things and you have to go through them. They're not going away. So you can do a lot of things you want to do, but you kind of have to go through them, the virtual governments, but you put billionaires lot of things you want to do but you kind of have to go through them

the virtual governments but you put billionaires at the top the one area lobbyists let's talk about lobbyists so which uh... uh... uh... i i think you love lobbyists are your best friends right you're a big fan of lobbyists are your favorite like we should have gone a shirt for you saying i love lobbyists right so so if you think about do you think trump and bernie like lobbyists do you think they like lobbyists uh...? So if you think about, do you think Trump and Bernie like lobbyists? Do you think they like lobbyists? No, my guess is they probably... Well, no, no, no, no, no, let me, man, let me, man. So you're kidding. I despise lobbyists. Of course I'm kidding.

And so Bernie probably despises lobbyists just as much, but there's a, but in there because there's public interest lobbyists that he probably will meet with yeah, and so now if for Trump He says he dislikes lobbyists, but if they come with cash they're his best friend. He'll love him right away You know, Trump he'll say what am I gonna do say no? They have money for me. I'm gonna say yes Why wouldn't I take their money? He said about the Saudis. He said about the Russians. He of course lobbyists Are you kidding me? He's like what do you need? Let's make a deal. Okay. You want me to give you a trillion dollars? You give me a billion. I give you a trillion. At least I have a billion. Let's make a deal. I don't know about that.

Anyway, Jack, your Trump impression is a little mafia in New York. Underwow. There's a reason for that. Wow. I got a little Bernie in there. You know, I was like, is that Bernie? Yeah. So that's Bernie Trump. Bernie's net worth is $3 million. Okay, he's been in government for what, 40 years? He's written a book, but you don't make $3 million. I should actually do. I, this book is not that good. Hold on, Tyler, are you saying $3 million

has a lot or a little, for a government employee, unless you're doing what Nancy Pelosi is doing and you're an inside trader? I think it's, you think, far more than your network should be for 40 years in government. For 80 years old, you think $3 million is a trader. I think it's far more than your network should be for 40 years and go. For 80 years old, you think $3 million is a lot. I think it's very little. So whatever you're doing.

Yeah. So look, for the average American $3 million is a ton of money, right? So I hear what you're saying. If you're young, but if you're an average politician, there's almost nothing, right? I don't think there's a lot of them. So to your point about Nancy Pelosi,

she's gotten spectacularly rich She's worth how much she she beats the she beats the market every time there's an index fund that tracks Nancy Pelosi's Because she's she this because it's obvious inside of trading right and the difference is she's a crook and he's not right So he made most of the money from books from what I understand. There is, you can't, there's, believe me, if I thought anybody on my side was corrupt, I call them out immediately. I got no tolerance for that at all. So Patrick, though, you see what I'm saying about Trump likes people with money. Lobbyists have money.

So are you saying Trump would say, oh, I don't want to deal with that? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not saying that, but I'm, I'm going to come back to this one guy that asked a question about which will come back to you in a minute. But I'm not saying that. What I am saying is the following. If you look at the people that have been assassinated historically, it's been who. Let's just say the ones that we know about, let's say JFK, he wanted to get away with

Federal Reserve and he wanted to pull out a war he wanted to he even even Lyndon Johnson didn't like the fact that this guy didn't want there's a lot of things they did not like the direction jfk was doing but he couldn't be controlled because he had money Reagan he made his money was he a billionaire no but breaking have money it's not like he was struggling for money he had a nice place in Santa Barbara yet you know whatever the number was they couldn't control him. Maybe we got to do something with this guy. Now don't get me wrong, I've read the tip on the book,

I've read the books on Reagan on the other side where he was a deal maker and he would say, we got to make deals happen, we got to give him some to get some, great, he was still a good deal maker. You go to Reagan, you go to Lincoln. I think, and you said character assassination versus the other side. I don't think Trump is a guy that you can buy

Because he came in with money. He funded his own campaign. So if you sit there and you say you did But but think about it who funded his campaign? So who funded his campaign? How much money did he spend on his campaign? Patrick you could buy Trump for like five bucks Trump will put a cell anything including a including a soul, any policy position. He wouldn't, there's an any, you wouldn't sell no, and Patrick, but there are facts on, on how he funded the campaign. In the beginning, he puts some of his own money in the minute that he actually got funders. He's like, get my money out of there, put the donor money in, which is that you're supposed to spend 20 and 2020. Sure.

was almost all donor money, not almost all, all was donor money, okay. So he, and then what did he do? He raised 200 million dollars for legal defense and hasn't defended anyone. He hasn't defended January six guys. He hasn't defended Rudy Giuliani. His top guy hasn't defended anybody. He's just hoarding the money.

And he put it in there. Hey suckers, by the way, I can keep all this money, okay? I don't have to spend it on legal defense. And what is he doing his campaigns? He started charging three times, five times as much for rent in his own properties and said that he was renting it out for the campaign There's no campaign office. The guys a long I mean you can fuck you can flip it and say that Bernie wasn't paying his own Workers 15 bucks an hour yet. He's screaming off the top of his lungs to do 15 bucks an hour

So now they the same criticism can be on both sides would agree. Yeah, so the same criticism can be given on both sides. But what I'm saying about the lobbyist side, if I had it my way, I think they are probably the biggest problem makers in America today. I think they're holding a lot of people back with a lot. 100%. Left, right middle, I don't care.

And you ask, I ask a lot of people saying, well, this business model ever go away. And they say, that's not going to go away. Why is this business model not going to go away? Because Congressmen are making 170. Whatever, they just got a 22% raise. I don't know what the numbers say. They're making 200 grand a year.

And then they're retiring. And then you got a lobbyist job making a million, two million, five million, 10 million year. Why would you give up that opportunity to get away with it? Right? I had one of my agents, literary agents for my book that he published he was a former lobbyist I said tell me how ugly it is this pat as ugly as you think it is it's a hundred times ugly I said get out of here says now I'm telling you it's very ugly he says he says I made money but I couldn't wait to get out of it I don't want to stay in it because it was a very very

ugly business model what do they mean by ugly like how ugly when you say ugly define that so you know what a lobby what does model. What do they mean by ugly? Like how ugly? When you say ugly, define that. So you know what a lobbyist, what does a lobbyist do? Yeah, they buy politicians basically. So how do you buy them? How creative can you be? That's creative as you want, right? Okay, so what does creative mean though?

Go get creative. What things do you have to do? What motives do you have to find? What drives people? How do you, you know, there's so many ugly things, I don't even want to get into it. Like, you know, you remember the story with Kaftah Cartagena what happened I don't know if you remember that story that was 12 13 years ago where congressmen were in Cartagena partying and a different story there

but lobbyists just open ended question to you what needs to happen for the system to get rid of lobbyists to not even allow for lobbyists. So boy, yes, right, guys. So I started a pack called Wolfback, Wolf-Pack.com to get all money out of politics. Okay, so how are we going to do that? You have to end a private financing of elections. If you finance elections through a private system, the politicians will always work for the people who sign their checks. That's just capital is in one on one. That's logic one on one. Okay. If you do public financing of elections,

then they have to work for the public. Now people go, oh my god, that's we're paying to god, damn politicians to run for office. Yes, either we're paying them or sorrows is paying them, coke industries is paying them, then they work for Soros or Coke. If we pay them, then at least we got a fighter's chance of them working for us. And on top of that, you make penalties for if you're getting private financing, you're getting money funneled to you either your campaign or your pocketbook, we're going to put you in jail. We're not going to have corruption in American government. You're going to serve the American people and not the people, the industries that are buying you. So you said Soros, I're going to serve the American people and not the the industries that are buying

you. So you said, Soros, I tell the conservatives all the time, come join Wolfpack, it's totally non-partisan. We want to do election reform, you want to do election reform, we want to do election reform. We want a constitutional convention, it's actually technically not a constitution, it's a convention that is put together to amend the constitution. The conservatives should love that, progressives love that, the establishment hates that because it's real change, we get the money out, and then people say, oh yeah, would you take Soros's money out? Of course I would. Why would I say, oh yeah, yeah, take the Coke money out, the Mercer money out, but keep the Soros money. And by the way, Soros a massive capitalist. Right. Hey, of course. Yeah. And so he's socially liberal, but economically

he's still conservative as well. So no, but it doesn't matter Even if he agreed with my 100% I'd still take his money out because I don't want the politicians being bribed So that's how you get at it. The lobbyists will exist But if they cannot influence your election and they cannot influence your money Then they have a lot less power. You still have to close the revolving door The one you mentioned at the end when they retire, they get the big checks, and that's the hardest thing to do, because when you tell politicians,

you're not allowed to make millions after you retire, they're gonna fight you tooth and nail. To the end, to the end. To the end, to the end. Do you agree with him by the way? Who, which part? I mean, you're talking about campaign finance reform at the end of the day, right here.

And I mean, you're no fan of lobbyists. I know you can't, you gotta get them an open ended question. But so, so you're saying if you're running for office, use your own money to run for office. No, I'm saying public financing. So you can't take anybody else's money, okay? So otherwise you were worried you're gonna work for them. So you go and the way that it works

and you use your own money in most public finance systems, yes. Okay. So it creates a loophole for the rich and some progressives don't like that. That's a different issue, but the great majority will be just normal people, five bucks, 10 bucks, 20 bucks, 50 bucks. You have to qualify.

And the way to qualify is to get a certain number of signatures, depends on where you live and you're district in your state. To get a certain amount of signatures, and you have to get a certain amount of money raised, but usually it's like five bucks or 10 bucks at a time. So you're actually raising money from real people. It's one thing to do a signature at the mall. It's another thing to give somebody five bucks. Big difference. Yeah. This is what you're talking about with Bernie. It's how famous it goes. The old

thing on the average voter gave me $18.00 as an individual donation. Did you follow the Michael Portering, Catherine Gail, when they came out with the book, the industry of politics and they're trying to change the voting system. Did you follow any of that or no? Not specifically. Okay. So it's a similar, they're going the similar direction, but a question for you. Who, by the way, if you go with that format

that you're talking about, who would win? Who would that benefit? And who would be against it? So say you go to format that I get to use my own money or public money to run for office, you're saying that because you think that would benefit Bernie because Bernie would get the most public money to run for office, you're saying that because you think that would benefit Bernie because Bernie would get the most public money. No, I'm saying that first of all, I've been saying that for 20 years well before the rise

of Bernie. Who would have benefited though? Well before grassroots fundraising was even a thing. So you would benefit the people because and now then it gets to the question of, do I think the American people are fundamentally progressive or is it a center-right country as the media has told us our whole lives? Now if you're conservative and you think the country is mainly conservative, you would love that system. I'm a progressive and I think the country is two-thirds progressive.

So I love that system. So that makes sense because if I were to ask my kids what percentage of them would like me to make their bed instead of them making the beds? It's two thirds probably three fours. So, so do you understand what I just said, right? I don't know if you know what I just said, right? So, I believe if the individual is not protected and somebody comes and saying, if you vote me and I'm going to give you X, Y, Z, I do believe that majority of the country is going to vote for an easier life than a harder life where you have to carry

the weight and you know, pull your own little red wagon or as JFK would say, you know, don't ask but you know what your country can do for you, what you can do for your country. But yeah, it's interesting to see that would benefit. By the way, Patrick, you know, you just made an argument against the democracy. Tell me, tell me, tell me why. Because you're saying, well, if we let people vote for their own interests, they're going to vote for their own interests. Yeah, that's called democracy.

Yeah. So then the question is, what is the right balance? Okay, because that's always the balance that you have to strike. Because like, let's say the people that you have to strike. Because like, let's say the people voted for, hey, you know what, I want the government to give me, to give us each a million dollars, right? Well, the government's going to run out of money instantly, right? And then all of a sudden, they're not going to have any social services. Nobody's going to pick up the garbage. Why? Because we already gave you a million dollars. Then they're

going to go, oh, okay, okay, we overdid it. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Let's course Greg. Now, that's an extreme example, obviously, right? And you would never get to that point, but you would get to a point where you would tip the scales into the wrong balance from time to time. But the idea that we should not serve the people because then they will want things is absurd. That's the whole point of the government is to serve the people, the things that they want, like security, police, military, et cetera, right? Healthcare, so they can stay alive and other things. And then we all decide, hey, do we want that or don't we want that? At what cost do we want to? Instead, the system we have now is the very, very rich decide what they want. And they get the media to lie on their behalf about what they want. I get it. So what I would say is I would flip it on you and I would say, I'm okay with that side. As long as we add an element of you having

to earn the right to vote, which you're not going to like this, but earning, of course you're not going to like that part, because to me, if I'm living in a house, so the my kid wants to tell me, what color I should paint the wall in is 18 years old, not paying rent. Yeah, you have no right to tell me how to paint the wall or do anything. If you contribute to society, no problem. If you're paying taxes, no problem. If you've earned a right to get a job or get a degree

or serve the military, no problem. Minus the 1% who don't have the ability, they're disabled, they have health, challenges like that. I think everybody else needs to contribute to society to do that. I, you know, the structure of the whole Patrick's, hold on, let me just say two things about that. One, again, just definitionally,

you're gonna go back to democracy. You're, and I'm gonna say Republic, what individual has to be protected. So you're against democracy, right? So let's just be clear. I'm, I'm for the final one. I came to America feeling I need to do more for America. Not America needs to do America doesn't owe me shit. I owe America. No, I'm sorry. What do

mean? It depends. So America didn't America didn't tell me to come here. I chose to come to America. I owe America everything. Not the other way around. No. So Patrick, I came to America too. I love America. And I'm so Love a different America, but yeah, well apparently, but I'm optimistic. I love this country. I think we're gonna get back on the right track I think we're in dark times now, but we're gonna get there and this country gave me a lot of opportunity gave my family a ton of opportunity So it's got but it's so right so but it's okay to say one of the reasons we came here is because it's a democracy and we get to have a, say, we get to have a vote. That's part of the

reason we love America. You're right. And you got to earn the vote. No, you don't because Patrick, think about it. Okay. I think you said you were poor. We were poor when we're going up, right? Very much. Poor would be an understood. Yes. Poor would be rich to us. That's right. And so what did the government do? It gave you a set of opportunities. It gave you a public school. And for my dad, it gave it all the way up to college, but for us high school, right? It gave us rose and bridges to, and I'm trying to.

And I'm trying to. I'm indebted to it. You're indebted to the United States government. Okay, good, great. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. But that's my government. I'm here now.

It can't say, hey, welcome. Thank Here's the thing the dream that we sold you But now the rich are on the country. No fuck what I said. I saw what I said no no I'm sorry, but wait a minute you came to America and you've in your own way contributed you said you got 70 employees Right that's 70 people that are not relying on the government for an income. They're getting it from you and young Turks and you got 30 part-time There's Patrick. It's always balanced because they also get a lot of things from the government They also get police protection fire department. I'm not gonna stay in a world of things from the government But I'm not disputing that up. You kid me of course, you know if you and I were to start a country right now We go and say hey, we got a 10 million

Score miles or whatever. We got 10 million, we got a good size land, say South Dakota's ours now. And we want to track people, nuclear war took place. We're running this place. What's the first thing a mom's going to ask before they move to our country? Security, safety, of course. So she's going to want military, she's going to want police,

she's going to want fire department. Mom's are going to decide what state and country they're going to feel safe as to put their kids to, right? And that's where they're going to go. I fully support the fact that you're offering that to me, right? America's offering that to me. But I'm indebted to America for offering that to me, meaning I have to give back, not I have to take.

But Patrick, do you think that when you and I rapport, we shouldn't have been able to vote? We had not contributed as a, as a what age, of course, 18. I think voting should be, I think to me, voting is not age. You're going to think this is crazy when I tell you this. I would much rather have a 15 year old kid vote who has paid $5,000 in taxes because he's got a job. Then a 24 year old vote who's never had a job. Yeah, that's what I think.

To me, it's not an I think. To me, it's not an age thing. To me, it's a contribute contribution to society thing. But if the poor can't vote, then they can never get policies that help the poor to become middle class or rich. But I'm sorry, but the poor can't find a way to contribute. If I'm poor, I don't have anything. I joined the military. That's my way of contributing. I work at Hagen does at 15 years old, and I'm paying taxes. That's the only way I of contributing. I work at Hagen does at 15 years old and I'm paying taxes. That's the only way I can contribute. I don't have a lot of money.

I'm poor. My mom's living there with my sister and my dad's having heart attacks left and right. He's making $1,500 a month at $0.99 in Westwood. Then he moves to Inglewood, right by Gray Western Form, which you know that entire area. I don't, but that's why, that's how I gave it. So I, I think the challenge a lot of times what the argument is, that, hey, come here, we're going to take care of you. No, no, no, come here and contribute to young Turks, come here and contribute to this environment that we have. And we in return

have to give you good for one. Okay, benefits. We have to give you good health benefits. We like a complex, I know, I know you like to say companies are not individuals or companies are not countries, but if let you say people are working and I don't give you benefits, somebody else does, I'm not competitive, but if you come in here, you're not providing value to the organization, you're always late, you have a bad attitude,

you complain, you bitch and all the time, you're recruiting people to become plaintors, you're probably not gonna stay here for too long. So we have to realize who we're turning into heroes. For me, even an individual who has had a job, who's cleaning, whether it's waste management, whether it's whatever it is you're doing, but you're figuring out a way to contribute to society

and taking care of your family. But Patrick. I salute you. But Patrick, we agree on that 100%. Our families worked our way up. So which part of it is so challenging? So all of that is wonderful. I'm just saying yes, but if you're poor

or you don't happen to have a job now, and I'll give you a specific example, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to vote, that you're taking away universal suffrage. That's good. That's not what I'm saying. So like for example, my dad, I'll give my caveat, but go ahead, please.

When my dad is going to college, he can't work at the same time. He's barely able to survive, right? And that college is super hard at the time, right? Now, I think college is way easier these days. Anyways, so at that time, technically, he's not contributing to society, but what's he doing?

He's turning from a knowledge farmer to a mechanical engineer and a businessman, right? So in that time, he needs a little bit of a hand up, not a hand out. Like there's an old Clint line. It's true. How long though? Yeah. That's a question. And by the way, Patrick, will some people abuse that? Of course. It's human nature, right? And you put in safeguards, you put in guardrails, but it doesn't mean you take it away. I think you said your family used food stamps or something like that. Of course, yeah.

Yeah, see that? So that was the government helping you when you really, you're not needed. But flippin' on you. For how long though? For how long? You should be. That's just a balancing act.

So if you say, hey, you know what? I think it should be three years and then you gotta be self-sufficient. That's what I'm saying. And I say five years or so. The other guy says, one year, okay, we're what? I think it should be three years. And then you gotta be self-sufficient. That's what I'm saying. And I say five years or so. The other guy says, one year, okay, we're having a debate. That's okay. That's nothing wrong with that.

Then we don't have a channel, for example. What an unemployment. You got far, of course you need unemployment to go find a job. What are you talking about here? But put a timeline to it, not 24 months, not the time I actually agree with you. And that's where some progress is.

Don't agree with me, but I will, I'm on your side on that. How, like, look, it happened to me. When I was in Florida, we were working down at Whammy and down in South Beach, and it was Barry Diller's TV organization. He sells us a Univision, we're all unemployed. It's hard trying to get a job as a TV writer, especially in Florida, so I go on unemployment.

Did I go on unemployment the entire time and milk the whole thing? Of course I did. That's what everybody does, right? We're going to do turn down the unemployment check. So, but at the same time, I don't think everybody does. I don't think everybody does. And but by the way, you've contributed. You've contributed. So to me, I, I, you've created 70 jobs that it's almost like this people ask me question They say how do you feel about your brother-in-law? See on Mac, okay? I say what do you mean? How do I feel about it?

See on Mac you say something to see on Mac? You're gonna have to deal with me This guy's my family. Why? Because a brown younger brother by six years five years and ten months Pull it off camera or so. She's only older than me by two years, because if you look at it, you'll think I'm the older one. Anyways, but she's older than me five years, 10 months, right? But I've always been the older brother and a little bit protective.

My parents got a divorce. I kind of had to be that, you know, I understand what the motives are with men. I know what myself, I know what they're trying to do. So I got a little bit protective. She married Silmaek, best wedding ever. I think it's November 23rd or something like that. O3, we go to the wedding.

Ridiculous wedding. Incredible wedding. O2 or O1 or one of those years. Anyways, he starts taking care of my sister. Do you know when's the last time I was concerned about my sister's health, protection, safety, finances? Do you know when's the last time I went to sleep worried about my sister's health, protection, safety, finances. Do you know when's the last time I went to sleep worried about that?

Two years before they started, a day before they started dating. Okay? Do you get what I told you? So the moment these guys are together, I'm like, dude, this guy, so I call him a saint is what I call him. He's an incredible father to his daughter. He's an incredible father to his son.

I salute this guy. When I came to the other, he says, I just want to tell you man, I love you. We had a incredible father to his daughter. He's an incredible father to his son. I salute this guy when I came to the other side, I just want to tell you man, I love you. We had a moment. I'm like dude You ain't got to tell me you love me bro. I love you. We got emotional was like telling you You you've made my life easier. I owe you you contributed to this family, right? What can I do for you to me? Everything's about earning and I think we have missed the definitions of Freeloters we got an Elizabeth Warren calling and Elon Musk who created a hundred definitions of free loaders. We got an Elizabeth Warren calling an Elon Musk who created a hundred thousand job free loaders and millions of people are agreeing with that. And we're forgetting that free loaders come in different facets.

You know, they're coming from people that don't want to contribute. Why only challenge what you're saying is if you contribute great, you've contributed to create a 70 jobs. Great. I don't care what side you are politically. I just care that you create a 70 job because you may taxes lower for me and my hats off to you. Do you understand what I mean by me? You may taxes lower for me. That's all I'm saying with this part of it. But by the way, who would you not take money from?

You've raised money. I don't know what, if you go to CrunchBase, 26, 27 million bucks, you've raised some money from certain people. You'll see Kat Samburg, you'll see this, you'll see that. Some guys that I've given you money, who you've raised some money from certain people. You'll see Kat some brick, you'll see this, you'll see that. Some guys that I've given you money, who would you not take money from? Yeah, well, I've already done that practically in many, many instances.

So I'll give you some examples. Sure. First of all, in terms of advertisers, we're a current TV chevron, I want to advertise, and we said no. So we think the fossil fuels are destroying the planet, and we don't want them to be a direct advertiser. Okay, so for profit colleges, I think there are scams, we said no. So we say no to advertisers all the time.

We now focus on the ads that we can control the direct advertising. We focus on progressive companies that are what are recalled in the good economy. Like aspiration is a great example of it. They're financial institution. You would love it. They create tons and tons of jobs. They've got an interesting niche in the market and they're trying to make money by doing good in the world. But they're still making money, right?

And they're still a company. So there are those great companies that I'm happy to support. And there's many that I would reject. In terms of investors, for me, we had a lot of trouble raising money because our competitors have raised billions like vices raised, I think nearly $2 billion, Vox raised $200 in their million in their last round, Buzzfeed $400 million in their last round before they went public. So we raised 20 million in our last round all on all we raised 25 throughout the entire history of the company

We've actually paid back a lot of that money So I now control the company completely Editorally managearily financially in every way, right? So I'm super happy that we we've got complete control and but that was really hard Patrick because a lot of people, investors, they don't in the VC world in the private equity world, it doesn't work like in right wing media. In right wing media, a fracking magnet comes and says, I will give you funding to start your company, but you're going to have to be pro fracking.

That's just obvious, okay? In the VC world in private equity world, they don't care about your politics at all. They just care about the bottom line. How quickly can you grow? How quickly can you get them the money back? What's the, you know, if it's dead, how what's the interest rate? If it's equity, how much equity?

What are the rights associated with it? So people, the reason we had trouble is because I'm a pain in the ass. I'm a stubborn guy. And so, do you want to change? No, not at all. Well, that's kind of the definition of stubborn. Yeah, but there's an irony there because I've changed a lot of my positions throughout my life. I told you earlier, I was a Republican, right? So I now can't stand Republican. I don't think it's position like that.

I don't think that's the position. I think sometimes the entrepreneur you, I, to deal with which naturally that's an entrepreneur Spirit because you're like hey, you know, but but the one thing I had to learn the hard way, bro Very hard way because I'm also you know extreme. I'm my dad's son and my mom's a son So if you meet both of them you'll realize it's like double whammy from both sides that I got right so So Middle Eastern's are not really so but I have to learn I have to sit down and say okay all right this makes sense why the concern you would have with this okay this makes sense okay like for example I'll give you one thing I had a call on my board and my board had a call and it was about vaccines okay and hey what are we going to do to increase the vaccinations of our sales offices because you got to go and why don't we offer it to them?

Why don't we have somebody going funded and spend them on it? I'm like Okay, um So it was a three-hour Board call strictly on this because there was breakouts and when there's breakouts, you got to have these calls We don't want anybody to have any kind of health issues. So We have these calls and we went through it. I said, okay, I'm gonna think openly and just keep poking me and push me and challenge me and see if that I have a leak in my argument.

And so that's what we did. So I said this and they said this. Well, city group was doing this. Well, I'm not city group. Well, those guys are doing this one, sir. I said, listen, man, we started the company with the cause being to save an America. I said this in July 17th of 2009,

dressed like George Washington. My wife was dressed as Lady Liberty at JW, Mary at Palm Desert. We had a 40-foot-mount rush more on stage. And I'm saying, save an America by bringing back the free enterprise system and hope to American families. Like my whole premises freedom. You want me to force these guys to do this to go there?

I don't know if it fits the vision, if it fits the cause, if it fits who we've attracted all this time. But what I'm willing to do, I'm willing to make people feel comfortable because a lot of people were feeling uncomfortable about if I get vaccine, am I part of that community? If I don't give a shit, I'm a part of this. It became so political that if you got to actually, people almost didn't want to save their vaccine or not. So I did a video and I sent it out to everybody and I said guys this is the video

I'm gonna do and I told the board and it's a very reasonable do it. So I shot the video I sent it to everybody said the sun. I said look guys here's where it is There's a few different camps with vaccines. There's a camp that Has it and doesn't give a shit if you Care whether they got it or not and they'll publicly advertise it and they think everybody should get vaccinated There's a camp that doesn't want to give accident because they think this is a conspiracy theory and they don't think they need it. Unless if you're XYZ age, you shouldn't get it, kids.

Okay, that's that camp, right? They knew what my position was and what I said. I told everybody my position. I said, but there's a camp in the middle that you feel guilty because you're going to disappoint somebody. Here's my suggestion to you. Let me speak to you. And then I spoke to that camp because that camp was having a hard time making a decision on which way to go. And in a

board said, fair, you allowed some people to come and openly come out and say, Hey, I got the vaccine. Good. Hey, after research, doc, I'm not great. But we took that approach. I had to learn that as a CEO and a founder. And it was very, very hard to allow that feedback to begin. But I think the other part is also the vision, like what's the vision of young Turks? How big you want to build it? How big you want to scale it? Maybe you're not vox, maybe you're not vice, maybe you don't want to go that angle. Maybe, you know, because what makes it very complicated for guys like you, Shapiro, Glenn Beck, you know, is you're also talent, which is tough,

right? I mean, if you're also, it's a lot of pressure on you that a lot of people don't realize, because you have a talent, you're like, I want to try to recruit this guy, but shit, I just said this on air and off. It's very complex with the position you got, so I can understand the complexities of where you're currently at. Yeah, well, honestly, a lot of executives

are more in the establishment Democrat camp, to be honest. Okay. And so when they see me on air, and I'm ripping Biden, and I'm ripping Pelosi, et cetera, they get uncomfortable. And so they're like, I don't know that I could, you know, do that. That's true. Yeah. So that's just the realities of it do that. That's the answer. Yeah.

And so that's just the realities of it. That means we just have to work harder. So look, in business, I believe in win-wins. You win-lose is short-term. Win-win is long term. You can get to win-win, but you just have to work harder to get to win. If you got a $10 million offer right now for MSNBC

for three years, would you take it? Absolutely not. You wouldn't take it. No. I already turned on MSNBC. three years. Would you take it? Absolutely not. You wouldn't take it. No. Fox 30 turned down MSNBC and offered me over a million. Back when I made no money, I was, I had no money. You were going to be a contributor. You were not going to have, you were not going to be six PM. You were going to be on the weekends, I think. Right. So I had six PM.

They want to move me out of six PM. Yeah. Even though I had the highest ratings they ever had at six PM into the weekends. Yeah. And my point was, and hey, you're moving me down. My point was, why? Because I said, filled, who's running it at the time, filled, Griffin, and said, if my ratings are the highest you've ever gotten, is the ratings a problem?

He said, no, of course not. I said, am I a bad guy internally? Am I causing trouble? And there's no, no, everybody likes you. OK, so what would get me back from the weekends to primetime is what I asked. And that was the most awkward minute of silence you've ever seen in your life because the real answer was stop criticizing Democrats. And he can't say that to me.

So he just fumbled around and basically said at the end, do you want it or don't you? Thinking nobody ever says no to cable news. Nobody ever says no to that kind of money, right? And and so I said no, I don't want it. And I did my own thing. And and so to your point Patrick about entrepreneurs we're stubborn for a reason because we have a vision. We have a certain vision for what to do. So if you tell me I got to apply a set formula that If you tell me I got to apply a set formula, that doesn't make any sense for my company, for my business,

because you learned that in business school or you apply that to every company that you invest in. It's not like you want to work for management. It's not like you want to a community college. Right, no, I'm not gonna do your set formula. I'm gonna use my own judgment and I'm gonna execute my vision.

I just learned long term humility helped me out and being too cocky and arrogant hurts when it's the business. If you're the talent, no one gives a shit you know like for example have you seen the movie the late shift with the story of a letterman and Leno you've ever seen that movie I didn't see I think you would highly enjoy it if you've read the book I've read the book and I've watched the movie it's a 90 minute movie no I should watch it you're right I think you would really enjoy it if you watch it but you know like I have guys that I want to recruit and I want to put them on talent

I'm sitting on like mad love to have you on but Some of the shit you say is gonna get you strike on YouTube. It's just going to get you strike on YouTube So you know what I'm gonna be a little bit patient and I'm gonna create a platform that a guy like you I can recruit you and I can pay you a platform that a guy like you, I can recruit you and I can pay you, but I'm going to put you on an OTT and you can make money, revenue membership, all of that, but you can say whatever the hell you want because the bylaws are no longer what? It's no longer a YouTube or a Facebook or a this. But if today YouTube, you say one thing, this, that vaccination, next thing, you know, they're

taking a whole thing down, they did that with a few different channels. You got, they took about 80 of our videos down the last two years, 80 of our videos, they took down the last two years. So you have, until we have our own YouTube, until we have our own OTT, until we have our own thing, you got to play by different rules. Let's talk about Joe Rogan.

Joe, you run Joe, I wanna say 13 or 14, I don't know what it was, it was, when you guys run, it was fantastic by the way, when thank you. Yeah, it was a, by the way, when thank you. Yeah, it was a while back. Yeah, six, seven years. And by the way, it was a lot of admiration both sides when you guys were talking because he was like,

you know, the coming up, and that was before he was getting the 11 million in episode a week or whatever it was. And you were like, King Kong, you know, when you guys sat down together. But you made a comment, you said, you know, Joe something I kick his ass. I'm, again, I'm taking it out of context. Of course, I'm assuming you were just kidding. You were upset about what he said.

Can you unpack that exchange? Yeah. Comments you made about Rogan. Yeah. So I like Joe a lot. And, and we even grabbed lunch. We were friendly. I was thinking of, I even pitched him to be a host on a show we'd pitched to,

cable or networks, et cetera, okay. And yeah, and I like Joe's independent attitude at ton, right, or what used to be an independent attitude, right? Nowadays, I think he's lost his way. So I think he got captured by the right wing, he doesn't even realize it. Almost always guess a right wing or fake left wingers who are pushing for right wing agenda. And so, and that's, he surrounded himself with a wall of right wingers and he's created

a bubble. Bill Mars is the same way. A wall of right wingers, they're all, they're all their friends are right wing, right? And so now, he's not independent. He doesn't do both sides. He doesn't have real, you think he's a right wingers, they're all, they're all their friends are right wing, right? And so now he's not independent. He doesn't do both sides. He doesn't have real, you think he's a right wing? Yeah, of course. You think Joe's right. Yeah, I do. Yeah. And so it's right of where though, Jack? No, do I think he's right? Right. A center or right of you? No, right of center. Okay. But, but okay. Okay. So Mark, do you're saying, but again, it depends on the issues. So you can take an issue that Bill Mar is super liberal on

and go, come on, you can't call him right, right? But I could show you 10 issues where he's just obsessed with cancel culture and only from the left wing perspective, not the right wing perspective. He loves, by the way, Bill Mar loves corporate Democrats. Okay, just loves him the pieces. So to me, on economic issues, he's say, same issues as all those corporate Democrats. Anyways, so, so Joe, it's a matter

of emphasis. So I hear that he's pro choice, but this he ever talked about that almost never, right? Uh, but on any right wing issues, oh my God, trans rights this, that, the other thing, he's like super animated about, right? Whenever it's a right-wing issue, he will spend hours and hours and hours discussing it. If he has left-wing positions, not a peep, there's a thing called audience capture where your audience starts to go in a certain direction, it starts to build momentum. Then if you try to change all of a sudden your audience numbers drop and people panic, okay? Now Joe's already rich so he doesn't have to worry too much about that.

I think he got more guest captured than audience captured, but like guys like Jimmy Dorgett, audience captured like crazy. So once they, like Jimmy Dorr used to be on the left and he was in the comedian, he was in our network, one of the worst mistakes I've ever made. And so then I'm on, yeah. And so he goes independent. Now he's, at one point, he's doing pro vaccine videos. He got a vaccine.

They're not doing that well, right? Then he does one that's vaccine skeptical. It does great. He says, all right, then he does another one that's vaccine skeptical because he wants the views. He wants the money, right? And so all of a sudden, then says, all right, then he does another one. That's a vaccine skeptic. He wants the views. He wants the money, right? And so all of a sudden, then next, you know, he's on 20 videos against vaccines or vaccine skepticism because that's where the audience is going.

That's where the money is going. And that's how, and there was a progressive in our network who said, look, the same thing happened to me. I was criticizing Democrats so much from a left wing position, but I was criticizing Democrats. One day I woke up and I found out my audience is right wing. Like I asked him a poll question, holy cow, these guys are like 70% right wing. So he's like, I had to make a principal choice there. And I did.

And I cut off 70% on my audience. And I started talking more about my left wing positions, not just anti-democrat positions. So that's what happened. So I'm brokenan to you, actual specific, the specific question. So now I have animosity with Rogan, but yeah, I was largely trolling them. Like it's, and I said it very clearly too, never in the streets, never any violence, violence is crazy. But I was saying, if you want to step in the ring, I mean, obviously you know what would happen if you stepped in the ring

You're not naive So would Joe have a massive advantage? Obviously look at me. I'm 52. I'm very overweight, etc But by the way, I don't think it would be a four-gun conclusion. Oh, you think you could take a job. Okay. Now now you say you can take real One kick and decide you be peeing blood for a week He's seen these kicks like you've seen his kicks. Okay, so let's appreciate your confidence I gotta tell you know, but I'll tell you why I do okay, so look what number one I'm okay if trained person is of course better and buy a lot right? So and a guy who's in shape is supposed to a guy not in shape buy a lot, right? So, and a guy who's in shape is supposed to, a guy not in shape, buy a lot.

So I would do tons of training, et cetera, and that's still be a massive underdog, okay? But I'm a brawler, and so it's not just that I fought my whole life when I was growing up, et cetera, it's the will in you, right? So if he's gonna beat me, he's gonna have to beat me.

He will beat you, don't you? Yeah, and that's fair. And that's a fair conclusion to reach. Okay, but my point is, I'm tired of people running over the left wing. Okay, so if you're gonna say we're weak, then fuck off and step in the ring. Okay, so step in the ring ideologically. That is what I would greatly prefer. By the way, I did this with Michael Spurkhanish a long time ago on a

Huffpost, right? He's talking shit about all the wussification of America. And I was like, all right, bitch, then either get in the ring from a Debate point of view or get an octagon or whatever you want, right? Because you're saying we're wussies. And I'm saying, I'll kick the shit out of you. Okay. So you tell me, you know what? Michael Smerkhanish did, he ran like a bitch. Okay, and he went and cried to mommy and he said, oh my God, he's threatening me. No, no, I said, look in, I would never do it in the streets, that's nuts. Okay, I'm 100% against violence,

but you're not gonna call us weak and get away with it. We're gonna stand a goddamn post and that's why the young Turks are hated by the right wing because we do not back down. We punch back. So the whole point there Patrick is rhetorical. I'm punching back rhetorical. Yeah but you can you and by the way that that was how I took it. Yes. But that's not how the world took it. I'm sure you know that there's a part of that was marketing. I get that, but let me go through a couple of these, but I like cheering the right wing. I like them. Oh, you know, wait, we're tougher. We're tougher. Really. I don't think so. I

don't think if anybody, by the way, Alex Jones braided my set. Right? I stood up. Yeah, I'm an all of a sudden. He wasn't so fucking tough anymore, right? So all these fake tough guys on the right wing show is not a fake tough guy to pro I get what you're saying I get what you're saying but but you know uh uh uh uh uh and in regards to him being right wing like that is uh the guy said he would vote for Bernie Sanders yeah that you guys have found kind of ground up yeah okay yeah he did right and I so that was like the last semblance of him being independent since then he's gone completely in the other direction. There were a hundred percent in the other direction. And by the way, he supported Trump.

Trump's a lunatic. So I mean, you can't see what he meant is supported Trump. He said that he, look, if I'm wrong, I'm happy to retract it. But my understanding was he said, he doesn't like either option, but between Trump and Biden, he preferred Trump. Oh, I think the way he said it is, he thinks Trump had a stronger way of dealing with things than Biden does. I don't think he said I would vote for Trump over Biden because he could clarify. Why doesn't he clarify? That's such an easy thing. I think he'd like, Tucker won't say whether he took the vaccine.

Why don't you just say it? What's wrong with you right? Joe, what would you vote for? What's the big deal? I mean, you do a show that's got politics all over it. Well, why would you be afraid to say who you voted? And if I remember with Jimmy, somebody said it here's well, Vanessa, upon tape, but if I'm, by the way, Jimmy,

all of a sudden started showing up and you know, he, he had a adverse reaction to the vaccine or something happened with the case and that he's not. He didn't have any adverse reaction. So he's trying to make money. He's a total con. So so here's a few things. I mean, so let's let's go through some of the super chat. And if we can get callers in, if you want to get people to call in, we're going to go to a few callers here because people want to talk to

Jank. We have, okay, so Chris, okay, the young Turks is okay. So Freddie says the young Turks is the new MSNBC Robert break says we have a system that Works for most people the problem is largely education and to some extent health care capitalism isn't a problem to solve People are not moving themselves beyond entry level jobs is a big problem great point by Robert Blake So you disagree with that? Look, these days it is so hard to move up. People say, oh yeah, go go to burger, you can get $8.25 job and they'll magically work your way up. Yes, you can, but it's not magic. What do we

need? We need to give resources to be able to. So here, guys, give you a quick sense. This is based on race, but it gives you a sense with poor blood or rich, right? So the average wealth for a white family is 10 times that of a black family. It doesn't mean a black family can't make it. And I agree with you, Patrick, hey, industrious, work hard, believe in education, etc. And so do almost all black leaders, they all say the same thing. But is it harder when we know from personal experience?

Is it harder to get up when you have one-tenth the money? Of course it is. It's like, start doing a hundred yard race and somebody's starting at the 80 yard line, you're starting at the zero yard line. Yeah, maybe I could win, but that's going to be tough. That's going to be tough. So constantly yelling at people at the bottom of the economic ladder is not the right way to do it.

Encouraging them in positive ways, giving them the right incentive structure. That's the right way to do it. But at the same time, the guy that makes it with nothing is a hundred times tougher than the guy that was handed stuff out. Okay, the guy that makes it from nothing is gonna be more. That's why I'm a percent 100 times tougher than Trump. Here's another one that we got Patrick, Christopher

Chapman, Patrick, what about a basic civic test to show you understand how the country government works? Oh, I would love to. I would love to. I would understand what's going on. No, okay, in reality, I wouldn't do it because those tests didn't get rigged. That's exactly what Jim Crow was. But are you kidding me? If we did a civil test to vote, we'd eliminate 90% of Republicans. They don't know what's in the Constitution at all. I mean, the politicians don't know, the voters don't know. They don't know anything about America. I don't think it's the same on the left also though. I look, so when you do polling, you see that both sides have issues. Like for example, Bill Mar as Matt as I get at him did make a good point the other day.

You always have to listen. You always have to be open minded. And he said now like Democrats think if you get COVID, there's a 50% chance you're gonna die. That's crazy. Yeah, I see that. That's not true at all, right? It's about a, it used to be about like one to two percent

and that was dangerously high. Now it's way lower than that. So you have to actually do facts, science, etc. So it just depends on the circumstances. I keep going back to that because I need people to use their minds. So can Democrats be wrong from time to time because they were watching MSMC at CNN? Of course they can, of course they can. But on average, the Republicans get factual things massively wrong these

days. So the things they've like the election was stolen. Just not true, not remotely true right now. Every right wingers go, no, I read it on chimjablosky.com on Facebook. No, he lost 60 cases in a row he never presented a single piece of evidence all conservative judges all trump appointed judges said you did not present one piece of evidence of fraud so he lost 60 cases in a row because there is no evidence all those republican legislators in the swing states said there was no fraud because there was no fraud it's's a giant, giant lie. And 40% of the country has lost its mind.

Did you ever, did you ever on young Turks talk about that? Trump was a Russian spy and the Russian store. Did you ever yourself talk about that? So that was linked to Russia. Yes. Okay. So let me explain. So I did what is it? It's always a unique position because I'm not in the camps, right? I look at the situation of the facts. Sure. So the Democrats said, Oh, it was because of Russia. The dollar Trump won. I said, no, that's not true.

Hillary Clinton lost the election. And we, you know, that's to say that she didn't lose the election is conspiratorial, just like saying Trump won the election in 2020 right so and she made a thousand excuses bullshit you ran as an establishment candidate and you lost because the country is in a populist mood and by the way you lost an idiot you should be forever humiliated for that loss so the the Russians did not rig the election with Trump. Look, there's basic facts. So Roger Stone, who I despise, if probably the guy I hate the most in politics, went and tried to get information from WikiLeaks about what the Russians were up to. Well, if they were coordinating with the Russians, why did Roger Stone have to get information

from WikiLeaks? So they were obviously not coordinating with the Russians. Why did they have to do a meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians if they were already working with the Russians? So they were not working together in the election. Having said that, did the Russians help Trump? Well, that's a fact. That's obvious. They got the DNC emails. By the way, they might have also gotten the Republican emails, but they only leaked the Democratic emails and those emails were greatly damaging. Okay, so did the Russians help? Yes, did they coordinate? No, does Trump want to work with the Russians?

Definitely. How do I know that based on what Trump has said and his sons have said? So his sons have said on several occasions, we get all of our money from the Russians. Yeah. Okay, well, I didn't say they said it. You know, Trump, he's obsessed with money

and you know that they bought a Russian oligarchsport like a third of Trump tower when Trump was in trouble What was that we all know that was money laundry? We all know that was money laundering you Russian oligarchs aren't buying a third of a tower in the middle of Manhattan Because they need more property like oh, they need to live there. That's the vacation Oh, they're cleaning their money and Trump says I'll take it what am I gonna do right but if you but if somebody who's got all the time in their hands to go back and look at you a record of your videos and pull up and say what you said about Russia would somebody be able to make a greatest hits of all the times you said you know he's a Russian spy he's linked to

Russia he's this would they be able to put him create a greatest hits Patrick people are doing that about every single issue you know why I'm asking this? Right. You know what I'm at? Don't need me. I'm asking this is the following. Here's the owners and I'm asking this. Okay. You know, he himself, he, Trump's story, you know, whatever, whatever position he's got with Trump, he can speak on his behalf. But when the Durham story came out, I was like, what the hell? Like, you know, this is all we heard, you know, there's a lot of people that they ran with the story without having all the information and they backed it up. There's a lot of things we don't yet know and we're not going to learn for another five

10 years. A lot of stories takes a long time for it to come back and reveal itself. All I'm saying is this is the only thing I say. When people say stuff about you, okay, let's just say they say, here's what's going to happen with you. Because I call the run. I've seen you, I know who you are, I'm like, so how is this guy?

He says, you're gonna love him, you guys gonna be good, you're gonna have a great conversation, but then he's gonna leave and he's gonna talk shit about you. I'm like, what? He says, that's a style. I said, okay, I don't know that. I've never dealt with you. That's what they said.

So far you've been here, it's chill. I'm actually enjoying the conversation. We're going 17 minutes over where our podcast, how many podcasts have we gone over 11 o'clock? Now we're over 17. I'm actually enjoying this conversation, right? So somebody says that about you. All right. Next thing I know you're going, you do podcasts, next we can you trash and me, then they're right. Okay, so that's the part where sometimes in media, you know, what you see and who you talk to is different than what they leave and they talk about you.

I think that's where a lot of, so Patrick, those people are totally foolish. And I can prove it in every instance. So for example, right now, you guys have said nothing that I haven't challenged to your face. Right. And so whatever I've said, I've already said there's nothing else to say. Okay. So we have a debate with Ben Shapiro, for example, right?

I said, my piece, he said his piece, what does he do? His, he already had a plan that, you know, you could say it's good business. Okay. But he immediately takes totally out of context clips and chops it up and puts it all over the internet. Okay, fine. No problem. Okay.

Then I respond. When I respond, they cry. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,, they cry. Oh, oh, oh, oh, you're a jerk. So I can't believe they took part in the video. We just did that a minute ago. I'm responding every time I respond to someone, people go on Rogan's show, lie about me 24, 7, 24, 7, it's like a little cottage industry. Why by the way, the algorithms are rewarded. Since young turks has been the largest online show for a long, long time, If you attack us, then the algorithm goes, okay, let me serve up videos next to the young turks videos,

and they ride our dick, basically. They ride off of our, oh, saying Shapiro rides your dick. In the beginning, he did for sure. Crouter, oh my God, he used to dress up as me. He would go around and dress up as me. I mean, it doesn't get anymore riding a dick than that. Okay. And so, Shapiro has one get anymore running a dick than that. Okay. And so he's Shapiro. I just so he's happily married. He's got kids. No, no, it's just the saying.

I don't mean it that way. So, okay. So are you saying if someone punches you punch, to punch back 10 times harder? So that's exactly right. So you would jump up something in comment. That's exactly right. No, no, by the way, that is right Yeah, so what I'm trying to teach progressive politicians is Look don't go around picking fights for no reason for theatrics to make yourself feel better to vent etc But pick fights for a purpose or answer fights for a person my dad is the most peaceful guy you'll ever meet I don't know why he told me this But he told me when I was growing up he said never punch anyone first But if someone punches you punching back so hard they never punch you again

And I would when I was a kid I would literally let the other guy take the first punch And it's the most unnerving thing. They're like you just are gonna let me punch you in the face. Yeah, I am go for it See how it turns out you literally did this. I literally used to do that. Yes. Okay. So I don't punch first, but I punch back so fucking hard they cry for a year after year after year. So, so why don't we do if we have some colors? Let's get a few colors and then we'll wrap this up. You know what I love the most. Here's what I love the most. I love a good debate. I love a good exchange. I love the fact that audience wins. Our format is right after this, we're gonna do,

how many short clips are we gonna do? Five, seven, eight, short, 15. Okay, and go on VTSC in there, three to eight minute short clips that are going there and they'll drive back to the interview. But if you got colors, let's get a few colors. John's got a few colors on there. Just, John, sometimes he only takes callers from ladies,

but John, let's see who you got here today. We have Roberto. Okay, good, Roberto, how are you? I'm doing great. I have a question Patrick. Love the show. Love the civil discourse here. So my question is to both you and to Jenk. I'd love both of you to answer this. Why does it feel like the left pushes a specific narrative

that America has rampant and overwhelming poverty? When the data that we have, even from the government says otherwise, it's horrible that we have poverty, but it is less than 14% of the country. So over 80% of people not in poverty sounds like a pretty good thing. The median income is $55,000 a year. You can live on that in most places, America.

65% of American adulterer homeowners, less than 1 million homeless, less than a quarter million unsheltered. So why are we being convinced of a narrative that Americans are destitute when we could talk about improving it, why it is the narrative from the left that everybody is poor, when that's clearly not with the data such. Yeah, so that's not the narrative, but it is a failure of the left that it has left you with that impression. So when you talk about income inequality, that doesn't mean everybody is poor. What it means is there's something wrong in the system that what instead of everyone having the same rights

and the same opportunities, the system's been rigged in favor of some. Is Jen what rights do people have in America? So for example, when an oil company, and there's a lot of different issues here, right? But I'll try to give you some examples. So when an oil company gets $14 billion in subsidies, well, Roberto, did you get $14 billion in subsidies?

Jank, I didn't provide services to millions of people in America or have services. They're making a profit. What do you mean? I'm not entitled to equality. They're not entitled to it either. They, what services, they provide services, we pay them a lot of money.

I don't know of money class American issue So what I'm trying to tell you Roberto is that if we took if we distributed the government money more Equitably it would not go the majority of it would not go to the people who are already Spectacularly wealthy it would be more fairly distributed and that is what you should root for not because hey We just want to get money to the poor, because we want a government that actually functions and gives equality of opportunity, not results, equality of opportunity.

And I keep going back to this. Example of my dad getting the college education for free, because that's opportunity. Nowadays, you don't have that opportunity. And Roberto, like I've had people on the show and you see it, back in the day, you could buy a house in LA for, there's a guy in Manhattan Beach who bought a $15,000

in 1960s. Now, all those houses cost a couple of million dollars at a million, right? But in general, everything costs more now. College costs three times a month. Exactly. Because the government decided to back student loans without capping the interest rates with the banks,

which they should have negotiated. You, I think, agree with the student loan debt crisis. Everything is more expensive. I can't buy anything for the price. It was in the 1950s. People in the 1950s couldn't buy it for the price in 1920s. That argument makes very little sense. And not everyone lives in California.

Anyone can actually, with a working class salary, get into a home in North Carolina or Georgia or anywhere in middle America as a starter home for about 15,000 because they don't need 20% down. They can do a 5% down. So Roberto, you can get a home owner and be working class. So you guys have a sense that the left thinks you shouldn't work and that drives me nuts. We you want to say that? No, it's overall this idea of like, hey, we're making it seem like the country's impoverished and we need to give all the money to the poor. It's like, that's not what we're saying.

All we're looking for is equality of opportunity. So if you say the government, hold on, Roberto, if you say the government didn't do the right interest rate on student loans, okay, great. But I think the government should provide free college so you all have opportunity. But at the end, afterwards, not necessarily give you money like universal basic income, et cetera, earn your way, but set up a fair system. So it isn't emphasizing the poor or saying America's poor. In fact, we say this all the time on the show.

America's the richest country in the world. And then we say we can't afford healthcare for our citizens. Every other developed nation has universal healthcare. They don't let people die. We let people die. Then when you're dead, you have no opportunity, right? So how do we do that if we're the richest nation in the world? Obviously we have enough money.

We're just choosing not to prioritize the average American. We're choosing to prioritize the richest people and the biggest corporations. Roberto, where are you based out of? Just curious. How we lost the. Oh, we lost the. Okay.

Roberto, if you're listening on the podcast, text John back would love to stay in contact with you But appreciate you for your question. Jenk. Thank you for taking a question. Let's go to the next class If you got some before we get to the next caller breaking news Jen Saki is leaving the White House for MSNBC. Of course you want to address that? Yeah, it's all one giant circle, you know, hold it up on the news. Okay, so they hire these governments and revolving door. So, hey, now she's gonna get paid millions by MSM.

You see, guess what she's gonna say? She's gonna say that establishment Democrats are awesome. And she's gonna say Trump sucks, and she's gonna say Bernie sucks. And she's gonna do, she's just gonna go, and she's now, she did marketing for the government. Now she's gonna say Bernie sucks and she's gonna do she's just gonna go and she's now she did marketing for the government Now she's gonna do marketing for corporations. So it's the same thing. It's the same But I think it's funny the timing part of it that it happens right after Hunter Biden's story was on

Wapoint two days later this happens to you Talk about timing when Jedadiah got fired a week after she asked the tough question from Hillary Clinton You know, I'm talking about Jedadiah Bill I think we had her on a few months back. Few? That was a timing thing. This is a little bit of too much of timing. Do you think it has to actually do with that?

I'm just purely speculating. I don't have any information. I'm speculating. Do we have another caller? Let's do two more callers and then we'll wrap up. John, if we have Ryan. Okay, Ryan, how you doing? Hey, good.

Thanks so much. Thank you so much, you guys, how you doing? Good, thanks so much. Thank you so much for doing this seriously. This is amazing. What you guys are doing talking together. So I'll kind of prep this with saying, hello? Yeah, we can hear you. Go ahead. What's your question?

Go for it. So thank you so much for choosing to do this talk. This is so amazing. So I'll kind of preface my question with, you know, I grew up with a dad who came to me Ron and like, you know, he's an entrepreneur and everything. And he really like, I'm fortunate enough to have a dad that really pushes me to succeed in everything. Like he had a very similar kind of upbringing, but you guys did and I respect both of you guys. I have to say I'm getting a little bit more towards the conservative side, but I want to both your shows and what you guys are doing is great. But my question is, I'm seeing a lot of people in my generation, and obviously I didn't live in your generation or any generation before that, but I feel like it seriously seems

to me that people are getting a little bit lazier and less willing to work regardless of whatever narrative either side is like, so I go ahead. Yeah, no, I can address that, so it depends. So why? Because we just started by the sound of the show the other day, the president of BlackRock came out and said something similar. Hey, this is the first time that anybody's can't get whatever they want because the entire generation is experiencing what it is to run out of stuff?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, that is true, but it's only true for the entitled class. His kids, because he's a billionaire, has always had whatever they want, but now you have supply chain issues and all of a sudden they can't offer their order the next Lamborghini and they're crying to daddy. So are they entitled? Of course they are. But it's not just them. The rich and some degree the upper middle class. Their kids are super entitled these days. I mean they'll come into a company and they'll be like, what? It's been three

weeks. Why aren't I the CEO? I don't get it, right? But for poor and middle class millennials and Gen Z, they're not at all entitled. They have no bus, they're ass, they got student debt everywhere. They can't afford housing. They can't afford health care. They're hurt and they're trying to work their way out of it. And that's the silent majority of millennials

and Gen Z you never see in media. Excellent. Thank you for that. Okay. Do we want to go to the next caller? Yeah. We have a Cameron on the lot. Go for it. Cameron. Yes, sir. How you doing? Hey, I'm all right. I'm not working right now. I'm in the hop in the truck. Fantastic. What do you do, by the way? I do internal front strains. So I want to proof basements. Fantastic. What do you do by the way? I do internal French trains. So I want to proof basements fantastic. So tell us what's on your mind? Sorry, just rain over to the truck. Hey, Chink. This is a great podcast. I don't agree with you on like anything, but God bless that's American brother. Hey, Chink, you've been great on this interview, man. You've been really good. Patrick, David, your star. Good.

I make, so I live in Pittsburgh. I make $18 an hour, and I move around $3,000 a day. I actually just moved up from 15 an hour, thankfully, I was making the quote unquote minimum wage. So my question was, excuse me, my question was, how could you, as a small employer, I have like $9,000 in the bank right now. As a small employer, how do you pay your employees? Because I think the argument of $15 in the way is a little disingenuous whenever, it's just a little disingenuous whenever the government doesn't control the market prices.

The government control market prices, I think it'd make a little more sense. But yeah, thanks guys. Yeah, so look, there a little more sense. But yeah, thanks guys. Yeah. So look, there's a legit question about, what do you do with small businesses if the minimum wage is $15 an hour in Kentucky, right? And so I think that you could do carve outs, for example,

if you're having under 50 employees, you're still a small business, and maybe that's a different situation. So you have to be really thoughtful about how you balance those interests, right? But overall, we have got to get to $15. I mean, I think these names Patrick Hill know, because that's the way she used to get

until Reese Cameron, Cameron. Oh, Cameron, sorry. That's Patrick. That's Patrick, that's Patrick. That's right. So Cameron, brother, you know $15 an hour is about $31,000 a year. That isn't a lot of money at all.

You could barely live on $31,000 anywhere, right? California is sure that's impossible, right? New York is impossible, but Kentucky is hard on $31,000. Especially if you throw a kid in the mix. Yeah, of course, of course. So we have got to get, try to get people to that bare minimum. Right now, the actual federal minimum wage is $7.25. And you think, oh, nobody gets paid that. That's not true. A lot of people get paid that. And you know, what that gets you, that gets you $15,000 a year.

That's poverty below the poverty line. Yeah. That is how the hell are you supposed to live on that? So if you're 16, it's your first job, you know, but look, that's such a misdomer. I hear you that could does that happen. Of course, it happens, right? But is that the average minimum wage worker? No. 40% of women make under $15 an hour. 47% of blacks make under $15 an hour.

So this is a giant portion of our economy. And we have got to get them to a living wage. And by the way, Cameron and almost all the callers, they're saying, hey, this is a really interesting conversation and they didn't know this about me like they were having this conversation and they didn't know the full context of my thoughts. Why do you think that is? That's because of what Patrick mentioned before and the the right wing will take and now the fake left wing will take videos of me totally out of context and they'll make it seem that I'm someone that I'm not at all. And then they'll describe positions.

I don't even have to me. And then they'll make up positions. So that's why when I go on Rogos podcast, when I come here and we have a full conversation, people go, holy shit, I didn't know that. That guy's actually fighting corruption tooth and nail. I've been fighting corruption the entire time I've been in media and politics. I've been fighting the corrupt democratic party, the entire time I've been in media and politics. I've been fighting the corrupt Democratic Party the entire time that I'm they hate me way more than the right wing hates

me right but you've got to be honest and principled you've got to have actual principles and apply them to the facts at hand. Yeah so for me when you said 40% women, 47% blacks, African-American under 15 bucks an hour, my focus would be to increase the skill set in a marketplace. I dictate my value in a marketplace. When I first came in a marketplace, I had nothing to offer. I went to get a job after the military. I was a Hummer mechanic and I was a marksman as a shooter.

I wasn't even like the best one, but I was a marksman. I go on my resmen, I go to a jammer, so what are some of your expertise? I'm a phenomenal, homeroom mechanic, HV, and I can shoot somebody from 300, so we don't have a need for that. It's my disease, or you know, it's like, but I'm telling you,

I'm a ridiculous mechanic, no one gives a shit. Okay, like improve your skill set. So I had to pivot and get better, and I put a lot of time in the books, but Cameron, the question you're asking, my encouragement to you would be to find collaborations when you're smaller great partnerships matter. Great collaborations matter, savings matter with your $9,000 and increase your skill set, but find other guys that are in your position, they can have the right partnerships with, 12 increase your valuation. Anyways, let's do last one while he's doing this. Let's do last one, last caller until John will wrap up. Go ahead. Just just to finish the thought camera to I agree with Patrick. And you always there's

different levers, right? So if you can't afford to kid this your I know it's a small company, but does it have equity? Can you instead of wages? Can you do equity? Can you find a different way? Can you find a reasonable loan? But don't get in over your skis. Just find the right balance that works for you. Last one, Johnny. Tell us who you got, John. We have a derrius. Derrius. How you doing, Derrius? I am grateful this morning. How are you? I'm grateful as well. Tell me what's on your mind? What question do you have for Jenk? Alright, so my question is, it's a two-part question. But with right now trust

in mainstream media is continuously decreasing and our political divide amongst citizens is continuously increasing. So my question is do you think it's important for journalists and political commentators to be examples of objectivity when covering people and issues? Yes, so that's a great question. Number one, mainstream media did this slide of hand. That's really important. They replaced objectivity with neutrality. Wait, those things are totally different, right?

Objective is the lay person is... Okay, now my second part to that question is, if you agree that that's important, how would you rate yourself on your media company and what you put out, how would you rate yourself in terms of the pursuit of objectivity on a scale of one to ten? So to finish the point, brother, so objective for straight reporting is the right standard, not neutral, okay. You don't say both sides are equal, well it depends, are they equal or aren't they

equal? Right? You have to be objective about the facts. So on in our reporting, when we talk about any story on the facts, we are a hundred percent objective. We never ever play with the facts. Then we give our perspective. So that's like a newspaper. You get the the facts in the front and then you get the editorial in the back, right? So we do we have a perspective? Yes, and we're honest about it. Our perspective is progressive, and we're honest about it. Our perspective is progressive and everybody's clear about it. Mainstream media also has a perspective.

It's that corporate rule is awesome, status quo is terrific, nothing should ever change and we should stay at the top and you should stay at the bottom. But they're not honest about their perspective. And then they take their corporate perspective and call it objective,

objective my ass. Darius, so it was zero to ten, objective young Turks. On the facts? Ten. On the facts, ten. Yes. And then on our perspective, that's up to you. You really don't get to judge.

Okay, you put yourself as a ten. Absolutely. Okay. No, there's two lines that are network. One is never advocate for violence, right? Obviously, exception of MMA, et cetera, that's within a ring, within prescribed rules, right? But never advocate for violence and never play with the facts. Crazy, complete different question for you here. Do you think the Washington Redskins be enforced to change

their names? Was the right move. So that one's tricky too. So because now you have that name that's over the top offensive, there is no other meaning for that word other than to be derisive, right? Then you've got the Indians and you say, well, they're mask us terrible, but the name itself is not necessarily offensive. Then you've got the chiefs, the perfectly acceptable name, there's another one. The Seminole is actually an ode to the particular tribe in the area. That's actually good. It's almost complimentary. So in the case of Washington,

it had no other meaning at all. It was obviously derisive. And there, so I would say yes, change it in that case. So to changing it to commanders, whatever it is, it is a commander or a commander. I don't know. I don't know. I have to ask you guys. Yes, yes. No clue. So let me ask you this. So, uh, two, two and Armenian, the young Turks may be offensive. Would you change your name? Yes. So, young Turks means young rebels. That's the colloquial use in the English language you could actually look it up in the dictionary. Sure. And for us, it was young progressives challenging the established system. I mean, that is a textbook definition of what we are, quite literally.

But I get that it is offensive to Armenian people. I get that. And so, and I feel terrible about that, especially because I was wrong about the Armenian genocide. So when I talked about that, I reflected the fact that you did that. I think Anna asked you to question and you addressed it. And so my standard name right? Anna, right? Yeah. Yeah. So when I was growing up, I grew up with honestly Turkish propaganda, right? And so we all get propaganda. You guys have about the education system, you know, what is it telling people? I remember we they taught

the subsurface thing that I didn't realize of subsurface, because I was kid, right? They said, Turks had never lost the war except World War One. World War One was a little hard little hard to deny right? So but I believe that and I remember as a grownup I remember reading about how the Ottomans had lost the battle and I was like no no the Terce never oh my god I can't believe I believe that all these years because they implanted it in my head right and of course that's not true the Terce had lost tons of battles and wars right and one of the things I was taught was that the genocide didn't happen. Well, of course it happened. The Serbineza's considered a genocide and 8,000 people died there, right? In the Armenian genocide, way more than that, a lot more than that died and they didn't target Norwegians, they targeted Armenians.

So was it based on that ethnicity race? clearly it was, and they were targeted. So, as I've changed a lot of positions based on facts, I changed my position on that based on facts, and I feel terrible that I had that earlier position, and I've been super clear about it. The fact that you change it, that's respect to you for doing that. You know, it was one and a half million Armenians

give or take, two to three hundred thousand of Syrians. I want to say 500,000 Greeks when you read about the genocide. It's a lot of Armenians, but there's also Syrians and Greeks part of that as well. But my might respond back to your first question would be, not my first question would be, I don't think Redskins need to change their name, just like you don't need to change your name. If your name is Young Turks and you offend a guy like me who is Armenian and Assyrian and I don't like it, I don't have to like it, but I don't have to say let's make sure he changes his name. It's your name.

And by the way, there is an Armenian community that's, you know, you look at the American Indian community, what is the size of that, what is the Armenian size community, what is the Assyrian community, what is the Greek community, something when I say, dude, that offensive. I get what you're saying. This is young progressive, but it's a young Turks. So I think the part where sometimes, you know, we play this change your name. I'm offended. I'm this. I'm that I am offended But I don't expect you to change it. I expect you to stay with the name that you created. That's the whole thing I'm thinking about with the retzkin singing. It was that was one thing I friend my brother up I said, let me talk to Jk about it and see what it is. I got to tell you, bro, sincere.

I enjoyed having you on. Like literally, I really enjoyed having you on. And it's been, it looks like the audience, for the most part, we have some people that were pissed off. But for the most part, the audience was very happy to have you on and have this conversation. Gang, I don't know who we have next week. Can you tell us who we have next week?

We got King Golden Monday. King Golden Monday. And at Farley Tuesday. Kevin Farley's brother. Yeah. Dave Rubin Thursday. OK. And Joe, you guys got to subscribe.

Joe Jordan. Joe Jorgensen. Joe Jorgensen. And possibly another special guest on. so we don't want to say you don't until we we confirm it's not a work one in yeah, I got a good week next week. We got a busy week next week, but this was a fantastic week to finish a week bro really really enjoyed you coming out. Thank you for doing that. So Patrick Adam, this is great. I love these conversations because then you get the full context and you find out what people actually think. And anything I wanted to say to you, I just said it.

So I love the open dialogue. Love. But, Geng, I would suggest you take this, if you have this kind of topic as in Travis, if you're audience, you like this kind of stuff, I suggest you do sit down and watch this with your peers. I agree with Jank here. I agree with Pat here. I disagree with both of them here.

I agree with both of them here. This is how I get better. I get better by watching debates. And today's show, I hope, was good for you guys. Appreciate you guys for being with us. We appreciate you. It was the longest one ever. Thank you for your loyalty. Thank you for your time.

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