PBD Podcast - Charlie Kirk Calls Out DeSantis | PBD Podcast | Ep. 285

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Starting point is 00:01:04 6,000. Where are you doing to event that Palm Beach Convention Center? Palm Beach and what's the capacity there? How big can it get that that's the capacity? It's a jostle with the fire marshal right now. Got it. So if you say 30,000 and I love it when some of my competitors would say we have 30,000 people at the MGM Grand Arena on the website maximum capacity 14,500 yeah, let's say yeah, and I mean if you get 30,000 people this something yeah, that's an amazing accomplishment we do events sure, we do events every couple weeks and so our biggest events like 12,000 people and that's that's a big undertaking to even get 12,000 I mean that's oh no question about some multimillion dollar budget AV schedule calendar seating you know I'm going to keep people happy

Starting point is 00:01:47 Security insurance all of it. Why did you give me this much time? I want to talk on the last day? Who's the closing speaker? You got a bunch of things going. It's a lot of work But you're doing it and you're doing a great job and you've taken it from You and I first time you and I met I think was six years ago seven. I don't even know what it was eight years ago Maybe right and it was at our young women's leadership summit in Dallas. It was in Dallas, yes. Yeah, it was. But you were a man.

Starting point is 00:02:08 That's the time. I still am. Yes, I'm man. But not much has changed. Not much has changed in that area. Well, a lot has changed in the last 60 years. That's right. Well, yeah, actually, at that event back then,

Starting point is 00:02:18 the trans thing we weren't talking about at all. That's right. The me two thing was kind of the main kind of cultural pathogen that we were debating. Now, the idea of being a woman is now, I guess, an open question and so on. Being questioned, people are changing their minds. And there's a couple of stories. We're going to get into these stories.

Starting point is 00:02:34 First one, Adam really wanted to get into this story by the Hill. Adam's, Biden's life expectancy and its implications. We have another one from Town Hall saying, Biden has spent nearly 40% of his presidency on vacation. Biden skips NATO leaders, dinners, as staff cities, recent workloads, and he was working too hard, even though he just came off of a vacation. Marjorie Taylor Greene demands Joe Biden be tested for cocaine. It's an interesting thing to say. Zelensky slams Biden's unprecedented and absurd stance on the new membership chris christie is everywhere

Starting point is 00:03:07 uh... he says he has doubts uh... over hundred bydons investigation either a lie or incompetent gop presidential candidate chris christie calls trump social media behavior reckless and uh... he says he does not believe the audience was a size that they claim it was randa san to says he would be trumps says he wouldn't be Trump's running bait. I'm not a number two guy. DeSantis donors privately worry about campaign

Starting point is 00:03:30 as Florida governor, a lags in 2024 polls, interesting story by CNN. RFK says he would prosecute Fauci as president. If crimes were committed, he caused a lot of injury. Wagner, boss, Yivgini, pregosen, likely dead, Putin meeting, probably faked, retired general says, this is actually a New York post story. Women are posting about their lazy girl jobs

Starting point is 00:03:54 on TikTok, how fascinating. ESPN layoffs, and you're seeing what's going on there with the list of names they had. BBC Suspense star presenter, over alleged sexual explicit teen photos scandal, but they said he's going through mental and anxiety issues right now. So you have to go to the hospital.

Starting point is 00:04:12 And then BlackRock Larry Fink is uncomfortable using award ESG, then we got Disney World has a bigger problem than Ron DeSantis, people aren't going. And CNN apologizes for Miss gender, the Dillamavani, this next one I think you can appreciate a lot to spiritual one male sex offenders faking trans identities to move to women's prisons Very interesting dynamic and then Zuck shows a six pack, but I think the first question Adam you okay Yes, sir, you should think I think the first question. I want to get into is the following. Here's the first question I want to ask you okay very softball type of a question to start off the entire thing.

Starting point is 00:04:46 I have to do it. I know if it's going to affect Charlie wanting to even sit next to me, but I Did go to the gym this morning and according to MSMBC. I'm a right wing. Oh, you're right. Now do you want me to still sit next? I can leave you're a right wing. Excuse me. Are you cool with that? I'm there. You want to the gym too. So you're what do you want me to still sit next shot? I can leave you're a right wing. It's tonight. Are you cool with that? I'm there. You want to the gym too. So you're what do you Hitler? No, you're Timothy McVey if you yeah, okay, all right So I just I have to get that out there because he might not want it I can't you've lost some weight since you had a strong

Starting point is 00:05:17 great look I have a disproportionate head to the rest of my body So I remember you saying that the last no, it's 100% correct. You look great. Self-deprecation. So what's your been your regimen as a right wing extreme? Like who likes to work out, bro? I intermittent fasting helps a lot. Hell yeah. And then actually cutting out all dairy was really for me. It doesn't work for everybody.

Starting point is 00:05:37 For me, it was huge. I already did low carb as it was, so I tried to keep carbohydrates below 50 grams a day. And then working out for $400. You're doing it. So no dairy. You drink soy? No. Don't grams a day. And then, you know, working out four or five times a day. You're doing it. So no dairy. You drink soy? No. Don't be a soy. Don't be ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:05:49 But you really don't need dairy in your diet at all. I mean, so if you need a thinner in your coffee, almond milk or coconut milk, you know, kind of... What about babies? They need some dairy. You'd be surprised. Yeah, yes and no. I mean, there's, it's called Cassian.

Starting point is 00:06:03 I think it's what it's called, which is the precursor of what you could call dairy. Some babies actually have a sensitivity to it, but yeah, I think we overplay our dairy card in the West, and actually the dairy that we consume is not, is I think far more toxic and not actually as helpful as the, if you have like raw milk or if you go to a real dairy farm than it's different, but mass produced dairy, I actually think is, you've done your research on this

Starting point is 00:06:26 situation. Yeah, you're offending Adam because his first nickname was soy boy. So I was a soy boy. And I'm a soy man. Let me let me get into my iPod. Let me let me let me get into my question. Let me get into my question. So your events coming up. It is in the state of Florida, great state of Florida. The speakers you have lined up right now are Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk, yourself, Dan Bungino, Bannon, Jr., Holly, J.D. Vance, Schmidt, Aisa Hutchinson, Gates, Roger Stone, Bobaer, you got Pesobick, Benny Johnson, Vivek Ramaswani, Bernie Moreno, Senator Ted Cruz, Mayor Suarez. I can go on and on and on and on with the names that you have going on. There's another event going on in Iowa

Starting point is 00:07:10 and it's hosted by a company called The Blaze. I don't know if you recognize them or not. They have a guy named Tucker Carlson, going there as well. And another guy named Vivek, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, they have Mike Pence, also Aisa, and a few other people. But they have Ron DeSas going to his event. But why didn't you invite the governor to your event in Florida?

Starting point is 00:07:30 No, we invited everyone. Okay. Yeah, just for the record. And every single candidate got an invite. In fact, we actively were trying to get the governor to come. What was the reason for him because it's... He declined? Why would he decline to a Florida event?

Starting point is 00:07:44 No, it's perplexing Patrick. I mean, I'm a big fan of the governors. I consider him a friend. I think he's running a terrible presidential campaign. And we're gonna have 6,000 people there. But it's not just 6,000 people. We're gonna have 500 donors. We are going to have 300 pastors.

Starting point is 00:08:00 We're having 250 social media influencers that generate millions of eyeballs. We have over 2000 what we consider super activists. These are people that are full time in politics. Local priests and committee members, state party chairman, these are people that donate show up to events. And so it's confusing why Governor DeSantis in his home state would not attend. He's going to be in the state according to his public schedule in Tallahassee.

Starting point is 00:08:27 He could easily come down on Sunday a day that Trump is not speaking. I think it's a huge missed opportunity. I hope fully he fixes his error. We did it, I personally invited Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, Tim Scott. Obviously, I'm a pro Trump guy. As an organization though,

Starting point is 00:08:41 we wanted to create a venue in a format to talk to the grassroots. As you can tell, we have Governor Aissa Hutchinson, who is like the polar opposite of where I have a philosophical. Yeah. But we try, we're trying to be honest brokers. Okay, you have 6,000 people. You want to be the president of the United States. Come make your case. I will insist the audience is respectful and that they allow you to have a fair hearing. But I'm disappointed. Governor DeSantis, I don't, I don't want to read too much into it. I don't want to speculate, but I could tell you the response

Starting point is 00:09:08 from the grassroots, the people that are attending our event, they're confused, they're upset, and they say, oh, this is just more of the same. Governor DeSantis is making time for a lot of fundraisers, and it's disappointing he will not come. This is the largest grassroots event of the summer. Nothing comes even close. As far as numbers, capacity, influence, Patrick,

Starting point is 00:09:25 we have 155 credentialed media coming. I mean, you turn over to Iraq, there's a New York Times reporter, you know, that's gonna be coming to our event. Not just that CBS, ABC, NBC, and what is the current narrative? The current narrative is actually true that DeSantis is failing to challenge Trump. That's 100% true.

Starting point is 00:09:42 You can see it in the grassroots, you can see it in the audience, you can see it in polling. And so why wouldn't you then go into the arena and address the audience that has doubts about you? It's some people are calling it insulting, it's hard to disagree with that. I don't consider it a personal insult. It's politics, you make your own calculation,

Starting point is 00:10:00 I've known the governor for six years now, but this is a mistake. For what it's worth, last time you were here, we did a podcast a couple months ago, I don't know when it was, four months ago, three months ago. And I asked you a question about both candidates, Trump and the Sanctus, you were very respectful of both. You said your friends of both, you were very diplomatic,

Starting point is 00:10:20 you were not taking a side or the other, you were saying he should run, you said this is something he ought to do. You have to get into ring. Maybe it's going to be tough, maybe. But this is how we learn. So you were very much of someone who defended him. Yes, when I was challenging, but here's a question for you.

Starting point is 00:10:34 So for me, when I'm talking to all the different camps, I have a very easy time getting a text back, a call back, a message back from every camp, except for one camp, and that's the DeSantis camp. How much of this, because this is your world. So for me, all I know is how to be a CEO. And as a CEO of a company, if one of my guys you reach out to, he's probably asking me, so the pace he gets back to you,

Starting point is 00:11:00 it's really my pace, right? The speed of the leader that determines the speed of the pack. 100, right? So how much of this is, he's just got a bad marketing team, and how much of it is him just being slow to get back because he thinks his strategy is, I'm above it all, I don't need to be there, I don't need to experience this, I'm gonna do whatever I wanna do and I'm still gonna win.

Starting point is 00:11:21 Yeah, and that's a mistake to think that way. So let me just kinda tell you, one phone call the president Trump, he's like, I'm all in, I I'm still going to win. Yeah, and that's a mistake to think that way. So let me just kind of tell you, one phone call the president Trump, he's like, I'm all in, I'm there. Let me know. Right. He is earning the front runner status right now. There is zero entitlement on behalf of Donald Trump. I had dinner with him a week and a half ago.

Starting point is 00:11:35 We have a very good relationship. I think the world of him, he was a great president. Don't agree with him on all the stuff he did, especially with Fauci and the vaccine. Whatever, he was a great president. I'm 100% behind him. And I am really thrilled with how he's trying to earn the nomination, doing events,

Starting point is 00:11:49 doing rallies, doing interviews, Vivek Ramaswamy to his great credit. Text message in five minutes, Charlie, I'll be there. It is very difficult to get communication from Governor DeSantis' team. I completely agree. I don't know if that's the pace of the executive, the CEO. I don't know if it's a culture around there,

Starting point is 00:12:08 but I'm telling you right now, he's on pace to finish third or fourth in this primary. Vivek Ramaswamy is on pace to be the second vote getter in this nomination. That's wild. So he's, so what's wrong? You would say like right now, there's no, there's no, like even if right now

Starting point is 00:12:23 the Santa's wakes up and goes, guys, I was over in charge, out. No team and he's no, there's no, like even if right now, the Santa's wake's up and goes, guys, I'll, I'll, I'll go over there and charge out. No, team and he's done. It's so much fixed, well, I'm not saying it's done, I'm not saying that, but he's trending. The trajectory is really poor for him. It's, he's coming across as if he feels like he's entitled. He's, he's engaging in a policy debate

Starting point is 00:12:38 where the Republican base does not want a policy debate right now. They want who is going to go in with a spine and honestly the balls to go into DC and fight against this uniparty regime. It's a lot more ethos and pathos than it is a logos. So he's entering this like it's a Yale policy debate. Like, oh, hi taxes, low taxes.

Starting point is 00:13:00 He's using like really weird abstract academic terms that I can resonate with, which is we're going to securitize the border Like, yeah, nobody talks like that, okay? How about Donald Trump says, I'm gonna build a wall and I'm gonna deport the enemies like that resonates But more than that Donald Trump is an alpha beast and people want that in this hyper feminine post-modern culture We're living in and so they look at him and yeah He's willing to go to CNN with Caitlin Collins and just take questions and like, you're a liar

Starting point is 00:13:29 and you're a fraud and you're a fake. And so Trump's gonna come to our event and he's going to be wearing big red tie and talk for an hour and a half. And you look at him and you have an attachment to him because like that guy's gonna be able to go toe-to-toe as Gigi paint, right? He's going to be able to, whoever world leader you want, okay?

Starting point is 00:13:48 And so then there's, there's this attachment where he almost creates this like mythological type of archetype where young, young people, all people see it and they say, there, that guy has the status, the attitude, the vibe and the energy. Governor DeSantis is like, yeah, I did great in Florida and now elect me as president. And people like, no, I actually, I want someone who can go into the UFC ring and dethrone the alpha. And until you can go into the arena and out Trump, Trump, you're going to finish second, third, fourth, or fifth.

Starting point is 00:14:23 This is not a policy debate. You know, it's interesting you're saying that, but by the way, just a quick question. Are you also inviting RFK or RFK? No, we did. So he's not available. Yeah, and he texts me back. He says, Charlie, I'm trying to win a Democrat Prime. That's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:14:35 That's hilarious. And I said, dude, I'm a big fan of yours. By the way, I think he's awesome. And I disagree with him. Obviously, on somebody's, I was about to disclaim this because people say, oh, he's the worst on these 10 things. Yeah. Okay, great. The stuff he talks about with Fauci, the toxins in our food and our air and water and how the pharmaceutical companies are poisoning us.

Starting point is 00:14:53 Love it. I think that's a mistake on his on his end to not come to agree. I totally agree. Let me tell you what I'll give you. My because you said you're obviously biased on white. Let me say why I would say because I actually think, if he goes to that event, he's gonna get a different response than he thinks he's going to get. I think they're gonna go crazy for him. He would go wild for him.

Starting point is 00:15:14 He would go wild for him because he is a, you know, the community that can't stand censorship, they're gonna love him. The community that couldn't stand the vaccine, even some of the people that were like, hey, Trump maybe the vaccine, RFK's not the vaccine guy. They're gonna be for RFK.

Starting point is 00:15:27 And who knows if, even if it comes down to pushing the idea of getting the debate, if Biden drops out, you're gonna want the other side to want you to win as a Democrat to see, I don't know, I think it's a mistake. I think there's one event he needs to be at. I think he needs to be at your event.

Starting point is 00:15:45 It's funny. I pestered him about it. We were texting him. Yeah. And, you know, he was sweet about it. He wasn't a jerk, right? But he's, I'm trying to want to Democrat primary. He's sweet, yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:53 And all that. And he's come on my program before on our podcast. You know, people can look it up. It was a really robust and great conversation trying to get him back on. I really like RFK Jr. because he's willing to call out the security state and the administrative state, this fourth branch of government, which I believe is the existential threat to our freedom and liberty and the promise of self-government that our founders laid out in the constitution. He gets it.

Starting point is 00:16:15 He even makes claims that his uncle and his father were killed by the, well, his uncle and his father, he eludes to his uncle in particular. I totally sympathize with that sentiment. Yeah, sorry. No, from a logistical standpoint, I don't want, you mentioned this kind of just in passing, you're like, yeah, I'm texting JFK, so yeah, I'm texting JFK,

Starting point is 00:16:35 I'm sorry, RFK, all right. That'd be pretty impressive. Don't get the, some people think he's still alive. Yeah, exactly. The flat earth community. Yeah. Here's my question, you're The flat earth community. Yeah. Here's my question. You're actually texting RFK.

Starting point is 00:16:48 Are you actually texting Trump? No, I call him. Okay, but you call him. Picks up the phone. Yeah, like 7 or 3rd ring. How many other candidates are you calling and or texting directly? The vague Nikki Haley I text with.

Starting point is 00:17:00 I'm on, I've liked Nikki for years, even though she's totally wrong on Ukraine and has really become more neoliberal and stuff. Probably most of the field. So, to be clear, you're calling Trump, he's picking up both. Yeah, seconder. What about DeSantis? No, I can't reach him.

Starting point is 00:17:14 So, let me get this straight. You can call Donald Trump. He picks up the phone, speaks with you, and you can't even reach governor to Santa. I think Patrick would agree with what I'm saying here because it's consistent with a reputation he has, but I will say this, Trump has, people have all negative sets about Trump. Here's what I love about him,

Starting point is 00:17:35 is he is so reachable, so accessible, so communicative, the guy works his tail off. Like even when he was, he was president, like once I needed to reach him on something and he was in Tokyo or something negotiating and he takes the call and he's like, Charlie, I'm really busy with that. And it's like, that's who he is. It's, I get to be putting you on speaker Charlie.

Starting point is 00:17:53 I'm out of here. I don't know. But he cares about people. He cares about his relationships. He's always been there for me. And again, some, some people have stopped giving money to turning point because I sell your two clothes to Trump and all this.

Starting point is 00:18:06 I say, okay, whatever, we're going to be fine. But honestly, I have a deep sense of loyalty and appreciation for a man who took a 24, 25-year-old seriously enough. Yeah. They're not just taking my call. Bring me to the Oval Office. And he is more communicative with me than not just a Santos, but most senators that I deal with.

Starting point is 00:18:25 Look, so I have work with a lot of sales leaders, and I know this is going to be a random analogy, but you'll see where this goes. So we have 45,000 insurance agents, 15,000 active agents. And all the complaints will come to me from their sales leaders they work with. And I'll see sales leaders,

Starting point is 00:18:43 they develop other leaders that become very successful. This guy becomes a, guys, what's going on here? He's sweating. No, it's hot. What do you want to do? No, I'm fine. Okay, so just text them, tell them you got AC. We'll turn on the AC.

Starting point is 00:18:54 You guys keep talking, we're doing the podcast. So this sales leader comes in and they'll say, they'll say, you know, I can never get a hold of XYZ. Never, I can never get a hold of them. Pat, I got an easier time getting a hold of you as a CEO than I can never get ahold of XYZ. Never, I can never get ahold of them. Pat, I got an easier time getting ahold of you as a CEO than I got a getting ahold of XYZ. And then you look at the results, they don't duplicate anybody.

Starting point is 00:19:13 They don't develop any leaders. And I want to ask them, why don't you pick up the phone? Why, that guy hasn't earned the right to earn my time yet. I said, buddy, it's the other way around, like you got to earn everyone's vote. You got to earn their vote for them to say, I want to work with you. I think politics is the same way where you have to go earn

Starting point is 00:19:32 the vote of the person. In capitalism, we vote with what? With, I'm going to choose to spend to buy this coffee from Starbucks over. I'm going to buy this coffee from coffee bean. No problem. That's a form of voting, right? But your pocket. But shulks has got to problem, that's a form of voting, right? But your pocket.

Starting point is 00:19:46 But shorts has got to go earn that. And shorts, if you can't just hand this, you may. No, no, shorts are Starbucks. Oh, God, I got a shorts. God, go find that. So shorts will go and sit there at a hearing and they're bashing them, trashing them. And then he says, look, I think you just got a problem

Starting point is 00:19:59 with me being a billionaire. I started off with nothing. I'm not gonna be apologizing for being a billionaire. And you know what you say? Politically, you don for being a billionaire. And you know what you say? Politically, you don't agree with Shultz. But you know what you do agree? You agree with brass balls to sit there and defend yourself. And that's a tough business, that's a very tough business.

Starting point is 00:20:15 Labor-intensive low margin high volume business. And your deal in what $15, $20 now employees that. And it's all puns and competitors, by the way. And he basically turned a billion dollar brand from what used to be considered to be just a commodity. I got a competitors, by the way. And he basically turned a billion dollar brand from what used to be considered to be just a commodity. I got, get coffee, what do you need? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:29 He created a whole experience. I have a ton of respect for what Shultz has built. That's very, very, and for you to have grown your business towards that, you know how hard it is to do. Yes. Kind of get it. So for me, the biggest challenge with the centis, if you go on their policy, and if we would take

Starting point is 00:20:43 all the candidates and on 20 different policies, let's just say, okay? And you would say which one of them do you agree with most on policies? The census is probably gonna be up there. But there's one big factor there. You gotta have the audacity to go out there and sit with people. If you don't, how can the people that you want to vote for you feel confident knowing you're gonna go sit with the enemy and but that you want to vote for you, feel confident knowing you're going to go sit with the enemy and people who are really scary who can't stand you. And the more and more you take this approach, the more you come across as a, hey, to say this, you come across as establishment, you come across as I'm too good, you're not on my level. I know what you, I know what's good for you. And you're the other, you said he, like the, the entitled, like he did such a great job with COVID, he's

Starting point is 00:21:22 that employee pet that thinks his resume is so awesome. He doesn't have to interview. You just like here, take that. Yeah, I totally agree. My favorite word in the English language is earn. I think our entire economic system needs to be based on earning. Love that. And I think our politics needs to be based on earning.

Starting point is 00:21:37 And to Donald Trump's credit, he wants to earn this nomination. He's acting as if it's an open field. He's running to win. Ron DeSantis is not exhibiting the behavior, the language, or even the flexibility. You know this in business, right Patrick? If you're not doing well, then fix something. Change a message, change your approach.

Starting point is 00:21:58 Don't keep on doing what doesn't work. I mean, it's... That is the definition of insane. That is the definition of insane, and it doesn't make any sense. And so, here's what also I'll kind of say about Trump, which is people have grew an attachment with him throughout him literally being president. So how does one beat Trump in a primary, not that I'm like one to give advice?

Starting point is 00:22:19 Well, I don't know. You have to talk to the new Republican party that, guess what? Doesn't want us to be involved in Ukraine, doesn't want open borders, doesn't want limitless trade deals, and you hit it perfectly. If you understand the Republican base, which I believe that I understand it better than most, our podcast is the most bipartisan conservative Republican podcasts out there. Democrats don't listen to our show and I wish they would, but it's this. They are a scorned community. How many times from Mitt Romney to Paul Ryan to Mitch McConnell have they heard the same tire-talking points to go to DC and let them down?

Starting point is 00:22:55 So they're hyper paranoid that somebody is going to swoop in and be purchased by the war lobby, the pharmaceutical lobby, and that Trump's appeal. Trump's appeal. The more he's indicted, the more he's and that Trump's appeal. Trump's appeal. The more he's indicted, the more he's attacked, they say at least he's not Paul Ryan. Yeah. And the more and more we talk about this, unfortunately, it's not changing. It's not like they, you know how sometimes you, Stephen A. Smith will say something and let you say the Lakers will make an adjustment.

Starting point is 00:23:22 You're like, I don't know if it was because of Stephen A. Smith, but they made an adjustment or like a code, choose a commentator, will say something an adjustment. You're like, I don't know if it was because of Steven A. Smith, but they made an adjustment. Or like a code, choose a commentator, we'll say something or shack, we'll say, I don't want to make the suggestion if I was a center and he like, okay, they kind of listen to what Shaxit or Kenny Smith said, everybody is saying this, that camp has to listen, but there's something I want to talk about real quick here before we get into the next topics. Earlier this week, the Bank for International Settlement released its 2022 survey on Central Bank Digital Currency, CBDC.

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Starting point is 00:25:41 The question I have for you is back to our friend Ron Desantis. Listen, it's no secret. There's two peas in politics. Well, that's the third pee right there. Why people vote? It's pretty simple. It's policies or personality.

Starting point is 00:25:56 I mean, that's basically what it boils down to. There's no doubt that Desantis is a policy wonk. You know, even when we sat down with him that one time in that little room, it was actually kind of weird, how he started the conversation. It was just like, all right guys, here we go. So policy's 1742 and event 19s that we were like, can we get a wassup just to start?

Starting point is 00:26:20 Hey guys, how we all doing? Great, but you know, anything. So is it, you're saying that you're calling Trump, he's picking up while he's in Tokyo, but you can't even get a text back from the Santa. I want to be fair. I mean, the Santa's, if I work hard enough, I can get him on the phone.

Starting point is 00:26:36 But it's not easy and it's not immediate. That's my question. You're calling Trump, he picks up, you have to work or earn a uh, uh, right for him to pick up. You'd be a good worker. And you talked about your text in RFK, Nikihael, whatever you said, how much is this is just a personality flaw that he just is a mechanical policy guy?

Starting point is 00:26:57 And he's not, doesn't have the just the personality, the ability to be like, hey, what's up Charlie, I'm busy, whatever it is, how much is it a personality flaw? I don't know. Here's what I can say though, is that in politics there is kind of the macro, the 35,000 media narratives, right? And then there's what I call the whisper campaigns, which is kind of, hey, do you notice that whenever you're around that talk show host, they're kind of a jerk? And that stuff adds up over time. That's a slow build. You know that, right, Patrick? That's not the stuff that's gonna get the daily beast article.

Starting point is 00:27:27 It's not the stuff that's gonna get the NBC. But if you do that in 500 events over a decade, that's all the sudden a reputation starts to be developed. And then there's a truth. And Governor DeSantis did have a fair amount of articles back in February, March or April, about how he just doesn't like spending time around people. Right, well, you're in the wrong business.

Starting point is 00:27:45 What? Well, and just meaning like he's... I remember this. You know, you saw the same art. Of course. I'm not being like a baby. We talked about it on the podcast. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:53 And that is 100% the reputation he has in a lot of grassroots circles. That it's super fast, super transactional. Now you contrast that despite all the stereotypes. If Donald Trump walked into this room, he would make you feel like you are the only person on the planet. Yeah, he does have that ability. The focus, the intensity, and his first thing would not be, hey, let's talk about policy 821152. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:28:18 You know what he'd be doing? He'd say Patrick, you got some really beautiful women out there. Yeah. What do you run in a modeling agency? He's got something right and you'd like to... He's got something right. Yeah, I I'm gonna try to rip it off. No, yeah, exactly. Like get over here. You know, and but by the way,

Starting point is 00:28:30 if you'd have to be the most dominant in the room, right? So in that, you'd have to understand the hierarchy. But how much is a personality fault? I don't know. Here's what I could say though, that if DeSantis is gonna keep up this behavior, again, he will finish third or fourth behind the vague. Crazy.

Starting point is 00:28:46 By the way, here's a story from NBC, which maybe he actually needs to read. Ron DeSantis says he wouldn't be Trump's running mate. I'm not a number two guy, right? Okay. So, you may say you're not a number two guy. I'll read the whole thing. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis firmly stated, I don't think so. I'm not a number two guy.

Starting point is 00:29:04 I'm going to ask if he would be Donald Trump's running mate. Siding his preference to stay as governor because the vice presidency doesn't really have any authority. The census dismissed discussions about potential running mates asserting it is a little bit of a presumptuous to be doing so at the stage. His focus remains on winning early primaries for his candidacy.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Despite his decision, the census pledged his support for eventual GEOP nominee, even if it turns out to be Trump, acknowledging Trump's significance lead in the national survey with 51% national Republican primary, but which is good to hear that. But here's the point, you know, sometimes like, this happens in sports where you're the best high school ball player.

Starting point is 00:29:38 And then you're like, dude, I'm a dog, you know, like, okay, great, then you go to college, you're like, oh, shit, I suck. Then you're senior, you're actually the best player on the team, like, no, I'm a dog, you know, like, okay, great. Then you go to college, you're like, oh, shit, I suck. Then your senior, you're actually the best player on the team, like, no, I'm a dumb, I'm making it. And you go to MBA, you're like, you know what? I'm the best six man. I'm a good six man.

Starting point is 00:29:55 I'm not, I'm actually not who I thought I was. I'm Lamar Odom. I'm the six man of the year. You're Louis Williams. By the way, there is nothing wrong with that. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that. You're a guy that comes and gets the job done. Or here's the part, very interesting.

Starting point is 00:30:10 Russell Westberg, does he have a ring? No, he's not a number one guy. Chris Paul, does he have a ring? He's not a number one guy. Paul George, does he have a ring? He's not a number one guy. You know what he said on his podcast? He says, I finally come to a conclusion to realize,

Starting point is 00:30:23 I will never win a championship as a number one. And Paul George is a dog. He's not a regular guy. So what does this mean? Here's what it means. There's two things with Governor DeSantis. I'll say this and I'll turn it over to you. Is one, sometimes you may be number one in policies,

Starting point is 00:30:43 you may be number one in running a state, you may be number one in all that stuff, but you're not a number one in policies. You may be number one in running a state. You may be number one in all that stuff, but you're not a number one marketer. Maybe the best thing he could do, and I'm telling you guys right now, the best thing he could do is if he can figure out a way to be around a guy who is possibly the greatest marketer,

Starting point is 00:31:00 who won on TV, who won on politics, and who won in business, who won and politics, and who won in business, who won and real estate in New York, where you're negotiating air. You go and spend four years under this guy, you know what you're gonna learn after four years? Not policies, you're gonna send a room, just like everybody sizes each other up.

Starting point is 00:31:16 They'll say, yeah, I'm better than him and that. I'm definitely better than him and that policy. He's wrong about that policy, that's not true. Oh shit, I can't do that. Yeah. You can't do that, Ron. That's marketing. And to win at that level, you need that.

Starting point is 00:31:31 What are your thoughts on that? He believes he's better than Trump though. He does not believe there's a lot to learn there. That's very positive, good for you, but the world has to believe that. Well, but also, I mean, like you just said it best, I mean, you negotiate the air rights over Tiffany's. That's a skill set that is a lot different

Starting point is 00:31:46 than navigating the all red Florida legislature. Like a lot. Right? And so here's the thing, in politics, you have to read the room. And so you know this in sales, right, Patrick? I mean, you, I'm blown away by what you do with, you know, PHP all that,

Starting point is 00:31:59 and I can't wait to come speak in August with you guys, is that when you teach sales people, you let the customer talk first. Or else, you're just, it would be like going to a bunch of Jewish rabbis, be like, yeah, I sell BLTs. Like, okay, they're not going to buy bacon from you, okay? It's against their deeply held beliefs.

Starting point is 00:32:18 It would have been helpful if you knew that they were orthodox Jewish rabbis for you open your map. The bacon business. Yeah, so but but Ronda Santis is going into the Republican base and not even first asking the question of what they want. And said he's like, let me tell you what you want. Okay, no, no, no, you're misreading the room. The the Republican base right now is a base that wants a resurgence of economic nationalism. They want their country back. They're sick of this trans-zealotry.

Starting point is 00:32:46 More than anything else though, they want a president who's a bulldog. They want a UFC fighter. They want someone to get into the ring, willing to bloody up the opposition, and settle the score, literally, because they feel like they are being blitzcreet and pummeled every single day.

Starting point is 00:33:01 Now, to your point, Patrick, yes, if you're trying to create a roster to save Western civilization, someone's going to be Jordan. And until Jordan retires, you need a Pippin, need a Kucoach, you need a Kerr, and you need a Rodman. Where does DeSantis fall on all that?

Starting point is 00:33:16 Probably like Steve Kerr, like role player. Oh, yeah. No, no, but like they don't win the fifth title without Steve Kerr. Like they just don't. Steve Kerr was a shoe and three's also. It was a fifth, six man. Hold on a second.

Starting point is 00:33:27 Yeah, he was a role player. I'm saying like right now in politics. I'm with you. But then Steve Kerr, when his number was called, Michael Jordan whispered in the huddle like, yo, yo, Steve, yo, Steve, I might come to you, right? Game six, I believe. Boom, dishes to Steve Kerr hits it with seven seconds left

Starting point is 00:33:41 and they win the fifth title, right? That was necessary and proper, but he understood his role. And Steve Kerr said in the last dance, I always knew I was not going to be a one guy. So I'd scrap for my position. Now, you might say, oh, well, maybe Ron DeSantis is pipping a Rodman. We can only play the metaphor out so far. But right now, Ron DeSantis is a governor of one state. You want to be president of 50 and the leader of the free world.

Starting point is 00:34:05 You're going up against Jordan, man. You're going up against a guy that has succeeded and everything he's done. And in my personal opinion was not given a fair shake in the 2020 election. So it's unfair to say, like, oh, you know, we're necessarily going to lose like, come on, let's be honest. That election was a drive-by shooting in the US Constitution. Mail and Dropboxes, social media interference, the Twitter files, all that stuff, COVID, all that stuff, right? So the Republican base also believes rightly that Donald Trump has not had a fair shake at governance or re-election since the moment he won the 2016 election and they're right. Spide on his campaign, Russia hoax, two impeachments, yeah. Earlier you used the word

Starting point is 00:34:42 scorned. I used that word. You said they want to put both. They want to fight her. Yes. Explain if you could just extrapolate. Why are they feel scorned? Metaphysically, like, not just this is a great question, right? I get this question asked by establishment donors, which I'm on good terms with where they ask me like, almost as if I'm some sort of like translator. Help me understand the deplorable people in Arkansas. They have shown up in vote voted. They show up to church, they raise their kids, they pay their taxes, they've done what they've been told to do.

Starting point is 00:35:10 And they've lived largely virtuous good lives for 40 years and they've seen their country decline. But they've constantly elected Republicans to see their country collapse and they've more specifically got behind smooth talking slick, well-funded Republicans, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, and many others that have told them, just give us political power and things are going to get better. And they do not see the border getting closed. They do not see the budget getting balanced.

Starting point is 00:35:41 They do not see top priorities of ordinary everyday Americans start to get accomplished. So they start to create a sense of scorn, paranoia, neuroticism, or just like understanding understandable skepticism, which where I'm at, where the first instinct of a Republican based voter is, I think you're lying to me until you prove me otherwise. Charlie, I think what you're saying is paramount for people to understand and hear the words that you're actually saying. And I just like, oh, a talking point.

Starting point is 00:36:10 It's super important that you're saying that, Bill Mar always says, it's okay for you to hate Trump. You can't hate the people that voted for it. 100%. These people, you have to understand their DNA. If they feel scorned, they don't care that he calls someone little Marco or low energy jet. What, they kind of like it. They feel scorned. They don't care that he calls someone little Marco or low energy jet. They kind of like it.

Starting point is 00:36:27 They feel fucking pissed. Yes. And so, but let me just reemphasize this. They're not wrong. Like for 40 years, we've shipped our jobs overseas and we invade a country every two years. We're financing foreign thuggish governments in Ukraine with Zelensky while our own border continues to be wide open. We have 110,000 drug overdoses every single year, and I have to be lectured by the CIA and

Starting point is 00:36:48 the FBI and the uniparty that the Ukrainian government is my responsibility. I'll screw you. I don't care about Zelensky. I care about the 110,000 fellow Americans that are drug overdosing every single year. I care that middle-class wages are going down, and that we have the most suicidal, drug-addicted, alcohol-addicted, depressed, and pornographic-addicted generation in history. And so Trump recalibrates everything and says, no, no, no. When the plane is going down, you put on your oxygen mask first, then you can go to the

Starting point is 00:37:16 Somali immigrant and go put their oxygen mask on. That is a very simple prudent approach. The other politicians reject that philosophic. By the way, this is one thing to keep in mind what all the stuff is going on just a few months ago. I don't know, maybe eight months ago. Everybody's like, well, muskis for the Santis, rope in his for the Santis,

Starting point is 00:37:37 Ken Griffin from Citadel is for the Santis. Megadon or Ken Griffin is evaluating the GOP primary field but remains silent on his contribution to pro DeSantis entities. Like the never-backdown SuperPag Griffin has previously expressed support for DeSantis who received $100 million from Griffin in 2022 midterms. DeSantis campaign highlights his fundraising success with $150 million raised overall, including an $80.2 million transfer half million dollar transfer from a state level political committee.

Starting point is 00:38:06 So what happens when these bigger donors are pulling away? Don't be surprised if one of two things happen. If they try to draft like a Glen Yunkin, Tins of the Race is kind of the counter to Trump, and or another one of these candidates kind of starts to get the anointing to go against Trump. Look, maybe Tim Scott is probably the next one. He doesn't have a snowball chance in hell to beat.

Starting point is 00:38:27 I actually like Tim Scott. I think he's a pleasant person. He's been really sweet to me and I just disagree with him on a lot of stuff and he's not the fighter of the base wants. But yeah, I hear this because I talked to a lot of these donors and they know where I stand,

Starting point is 00:38:38 but I also have a mission at Turning Point USA and Educational Mission that is in wide agreement with a lot of donors, right? So I strike that balance, I think, pretty well. But Patrick, call after call, I receive from people that are so upset with DeSantis and underwhelmed by how he's doing. And they are seeking other options. And because DeSantis was supposed to be the guy that could successfully challenge Trump,

Starting point is 00:39:02 and that is not materializing. And by the way, time is running out. Do you think it's too late? No. Do you think it's too late? Well, who am I to give advice to against Trump because everyone knows where my loyalties lie, but no, it's not too late.

Starting point is 00:39:17 However, it's increasingly unlikely. It's a 99, if you were like the bookie, like to kind of do the odds, it's a 99% chance Trump wins the nomination. Absent something, a black swan event that we are not expecting, because the indictments are only helping. The more that stuff is in the news,

Starting point is 00:39:33 Jack Smith might as well be the campaign chairman of the Donald J Trump Super PAC. It only helps invigorate the Republican base to play into the core theme of Donald Trump, which is they need to take me out because I'm a threat to the system. So I was still trying to tell you all about that. So Christopher Ray was in Congress yesterday not answering any questions, everything from you know January 6th to rush everything was still on the investigation.

Starting point is 00:39:59 They're asking about Hunter. They're asking about Joe Biden. There's no answers ever, Charlie. So let's say Trump does win, because I think he's gonna get the nomination. Let's say he wins the presidency, the DOJ FBI, we gotta talk about this on one podcast, Pat. From what I would say, 95% left Democrat,

Starting point is 00:40:16 like what are they gonna do? Like does he even, once he's in Charlie, are we gonna have to deal with all this crap? No, and again, like what? He's making promises, so there's a thing called schedule F, where you're allowed, if you sign schedule F as president, you could just fire any executive branch employee at will.

Starting point is 00:40:31 Now, Trump, because of how they're treating him, if by some miraculous intervention, he's able to actually become president again, you are going to see one of the most motivated executives to reform the Leviathan. You're fired, you're fired. Oh, I'm a, but it's gonna be a bloodbath. Now you say, well, why didn't you do that in the first turn?

Starting point is 00:40:50 He wanted to, but he was really handcuffed by a lot of double talk and misleading people that say, we don't do that around here. You know, that's not how it works, but you must understand also the context. From the moment Donald Trump took the presidency, Peter Struck-Stroke-Smirk was in the White House, entrapped Lieutenant General Michael Flynn.

Starting point is 00:41:08 He was under the Mueller stuff, under the Russia stuff. The Chuck Schumer, in January of 2017, before Donald Trump became president, sat on the Rachel Maddow program, said, the Central Intelligence Agency has six ways to Sunday of getting back at you. And for supposedly a very shrewd businessman, you're not being very smart to go after the intel agencies. So they set his first term up. And here he is. He doesn't even know where the pen drawer is in a resolute desk. And he's dealing with impeachment and crease and Mueller stuff and Paul Ryan's against him. So a second term in some ways, you know, there's only been one president that has served, you know,

Starting point is 00:41:43 non-consecative terms, Grover Cleveland. So, he almost has this breather to come in with a fire-breathing mandate, which he's not just alluding to it. He's being as blunt as blunt can be in his policy speeches and his rallies of what he plans to do. And, going after the administrative state, again, I will repeat, is the existential threat to our liberty? The promise of the American founding is representative three branch

Starting point is 00:42:06 government not unrepresentative shadow leviathan fourth branch bureaucracies running our life i want you you brought a break right what happened to with the fp i checked us out so here's math i want to show series of three things the first one is math gates with break kai director fb i then is jim jordan then it's christ christie to this. So go ahead and press the first one with Gates. I'm sitting here with my father. I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction.

Starting point is 00:42:40 I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father. Sounds like a shakedown, doesn't it, director? I'm not going to get into commenting on that. You seem deeply uncurious about it, don't you? Almost suspiciously uncurious. Are you protecting the Biden's? Absolutely not. The FBI does not.

Starting point is 00:43:01 Well, you want answer a question about whether or not that's a shakedown and everybody knows why you won't answer it because to the millions of people who will see this, they know it is and your inability to acknowledge that is deeply revealing about you believe. Okay, so that's the first one, right? Straight up called them out. Now watch him Jordan, because on this one, race starts then Jim finishes, so look what he says. Really, any company of any size in China is required,

Starting point is 00:43:30 required by Chinese law to have what they quaintly call a committee, which is essentially a cell inside the company whose sole function is to ensure that company's compliance with Chinese Communist Party orthodoxy. If we try to install something like that in American companies, or if the British tried to do it in British companies, or any number of other places, people would go out of their minds and rightly so.

Starting point is 00:43:55 Agreed. Well, thank you. I'd like to work with you more on that, and I'd yield a balance on my time to the chairman. Thank you. But that's exactly what you did. The judge said it last week every week you were meeting with big tech companies saying hey look at this this by late your policy take this

Starting point is 00:44:11 speech of americans down you were doing the same darn thing you just described the chinese about really pretty wild right what you know i watch watch christmas the what he says about this and and how he builds this up go ahead jim comie and air cold during a reddled this and how he builds this up. Go ahead. Jim Comey and Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch drastically harmed the Department of Justice and the FBI and Chris Ray has now spent years fixing that. Now, there are going to be disagreements, of course, there are always going to be disagreements between Congress and the executive branch. And they would like more information and he's got obligations under grand jury rules to not give everything they want to give. But I will tell you something, what you saw today, I think was an animated and combative

Starting point is 00:44:49 FBI director who's defending the men and women who work for him every day and do a great job and protect us from domestic terrorism, from international terrorism, and from these drug cartels and are helping state and local law enforcement every day with their things. So yeah, I think Chris Ray has done a very good job. And I think a lot of the stuff you see today, John, is theater, and then people trying to raise money for campaigns. Doesn't mean there are problems at the FBI. There are.

Starting point is 00:45:12 But I believe Chris is a guy who can get him fixed, and he's fixed a lot of them already. What do you think about this whole, you know, Chris Ray? Forget about Chris, Chris, because what I want to know about you afterwards is with him, what his play is. But what do you think about what's going on with Ray and me? Oh, I mean, Chris Ray is an embodiment of the toxin that is currently eroding the United States Constitution. No one voted for Chris Ray.

Starting point is 00:45:34 He didn't have to go to Iowa and convince people to give him power. He has a 10 year term to run a secret police against political dissidents they don't like. So Chris Christie aside, because he's an overweight side show. The core of this that needs to be focused and emphasized is what is the FBI done recently? Not just going after political dissidents, Donald Trump,

Starting point is 00:45:56 not just going after Steve Bannon, not going after Dinesh D'Souza a couple of years ago, also Rudy Giuliani, going after, you know, we build the wall people, parents, going after, you know, the, we build the wall people. Parents going after parents and calling them domestic terrorists, not just having tabletop exercises at the Aspen Institute in preparation of the 2020 election, having standing meetings at Twitter with YoL Roth demanding censorship, going preemptively to Mark Zuckerberg and

Starting point is 00:46:22 doing a shakedown saying that, hey, there might be some Russian disinformation that you might have to censor. Christopher Rae was the architect of all of this and continues to be it. So the question is, do we actually still have a semblance of a representative government? In some senses, yes, in some senses, no. And why is that?

Starting point is 00:46:42 You know, the lack of accountability the media presents towards the administrative state is glaring and I'll prove it to you. I had to watch some CBS or NBC or some stupid like why we need to be supporting Ukraine war type thing. And they were saying, okay, we're coming up on like the year and a half mark and they said, you know, the Russian government is so tyrannical because they put their political dissidents in prison. And they put journalists in prison. It's like, oh, really? You know, like rating James O'Keefe's home? Or like trying to put Donald Trump in 200 years in prison?

Starting point is 00:47:14 Like, yeah, I don't know, a government that would do such a thing is that. Like, everything that we criticize the Russian government for, the Kremlin, our government is doing times 10, against our own political dissidents. And so why is this?

Starting point is 00:47:27 I blame Republicans for a lot of this. Lindsey Graham and a lot of people post 9-11, they transform the FBI from a law enforcement agency into an intelligence agency. And those are two distinctly different things. Law enforcement agency does not preemptively try to monitor or surveil or spy on American citizens to try to find a crime. A law enforcement agency follows leads to then hold people accountable if you're doing something illegal. Let's go all the way back. J. Edgar Hoover was a total freak, by the way. The FBI never should have been formed as it was.

Starting point is 00:48:01 It was supposed to stop interstate bank trafficking and maybe human smuggling. And so post 9-11, who did this? Bob Mueller was head of the FBI when this ended up happening. He made the switch and George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and Lindsey Graham and Danny Hasseur and Mitch McConnell, every one of these Neocons, because of the panic of 9-11, Republican voters, unfortunately, were

Starting point is 00:48:25 largely in support of giving away our God-given civil liberties and freedoms to Department of Homeland Security, CISA, FBI, because we were afraid of radical Islamic terrorism. Guess what? That was a real thing. But we soon realized there was a supply and demand problem with radical Islamic terrorism. There wasn't that much in the American homeland. And so then all of a sudden they started twiddling their thumbs and they had these tens of billions of dollars of budgets.

Starting point is 00:48:51 Barack Obama becomes president and a whisper campaign starts and says, huh, what if the real terrorism is white Christian nationalists in Iowa? What if the real terrorists are the people that are the QAnon extremist and what is now turned in the FBI from what was once trying to be a preventative measure to stop 9-11 from happening is now a massive $50 to $70 billion agency that we know of. It's probably even bigger than that that is targeted against half the country and their values. Don't believe me. The FBI's infiltrating Latin mass. Literally, they're going into Catholic Latin masses because they're considered to be,

Starting point is 00:49:26 you can look up that story. And it whistleblower after whistleblower says the FBI currently has undercover agents going to Catholic Latin mass. That we, Patrick, I go around the country and people ask me, Charlie, when are we going to become the Soviet Union and like news flash? Our government has become the Soviet Union. This is exactly how the secret police under Stalin operated, and Christopher Ray is the grand maestro of this. And think about how silly this

Starting point is 00:49:51 is. If the House of Representatives were to hold him in contempt, where does that contempt charge go to him? So he would have to go indict himself. So how do you, how do you fix this? I fully support the calls to break up and abolish the FBI and turn it into 10 or 12 different microagencies against legitimate like child sex trafficking or human smuggling or bank crimes. 90% of what the FBI does right now is politically driven investigations and surveillance.

Starting point is 00:50:21 And not to mention the FISA, you can look up the other article, the amount of FISA, you could look up the other article, the amount of FISA abuse, FISA. Well, it's an a million. Charlie, it was like a million. That's exactly right. The legal FISA's.

Starting point is 00:50:32 That's right. If you go to, there was a recent five, I think it was the statement of either Michael Horowitz or something, there was a recent report that shows that a million times they broke the law. So Patrick, you and I don't break the law. We go to jail unless we're hunter-bidened or we're, you know, left with a different touchable. What happens when the government broke the law. So Patrick, you and I don't break the law, we go to jail unless we're Hunter Biden or we're left with a government. What happens when the government breaks the law?

Starting point is 00:50:50 That's a Charlie FBI raises in private jets and bigger buildings. FBI Christopher Ray appointed by Trump in 2017. This is a legitimate point. Yeah, I mean, that's the point. How much do you think Trump regrets being the person that tapped Ray to be the FBI director? Look, I can't speak for his level of regret.

Starting point is 00:51:11 I think there's a fair amount of fury because now the very people he put into office are now trying to put him in prison for 200 years. Pursue. Think about that for a second, right? I mean, some people get lost in the nuance right there. The guy that he picked. Yes. To be the director of the FBI,

Starting point is 00:51:26 is now the guy that's trying to put Trump in prison. Think about that. That's like you picking the new CFO of BHP. And now he's trying to usurp you to take your, put you in prison and say. So, so this, there's a lot of reasons why the personnel of the Trump White House was, as even Rush Limbaugh would say, puzzling.

Starting point is 00:51:43 Yeah. And Rush never said something. He never said something negative about Trump. Yeah. He saidugh would say puzzling. And Rush never said something. He never said something negative about Trump. He said, It's very puzzling, like about a Rush term, right? And this is why. And it goes back to why they hate Trump so much, why they have to throw him in prison,

Starting point is 00:51:54 why they're doing all this, is he was not supposed to win. No one thought he was going to win. There was no prep, there was no transition team. So you go from a guy that's on 1% probability meter on the New York Times website, to all of a sudden, president-elect. So all of a sudden, at a nowhere,

Starting point is 00:52:09 who comes in, the worst people coming, right? Right in the Trump Tower the next day, you had people taking the 6am flight out of Washington, D.C., flattering Trump being like these people are gonna be amazing in your White House. They were sleeper cells for the shadow government. Well, how much of it is on Trump? And I'm not here to like, hear me out.

Starting point is 00:52:29 I'm gonna, he's making a post on here. What he was gonna say. I don't think he was done. You were saying how much of this is on the sleeper. Yeah, look, I think we could all Monday morning quarterback. I think he fully acknowledges that he could have made better personnel selections in certain places. I will say this is that he was have made a better personnel selections in certain places.

Starting point is 00:52:45 I will say this is that he was so deceived by the people closest to him. I mean, how many people do we have to go through from John Bolton to Kelly to Amaroza that turned into like Brutus Caches Judas, right? It was like how many Brutus Caches Judas archetypes were trolling around that place? Look, you're not gonna get me to say something negative

Starting point is 00:53:05 about like Trump how much is on Trump or not. I think it needs to be the number one place of improvement because from Berks to Fauci, those people never should have been around the way. This isn't a, gotcha, hey Charlie, I'm trying to, I'm just being honest about that. I'm actually trying to be constructive here, to be honest with you,

Starting point is 00:53:20 because he marketed himself as, I'm gonna hire the best people, I'm gonna have the best people around me. That was his selling point. How much has he learned? And if he is the next president on his state, which he can't. Who's he gonna hire?

Starting point is 00:53:33 Yeah. This doesn't happen again. So thankfully, there's a guy named John Mackinthe, he's publicly working on this. He was the best guy in the White House. He got so much done. He was Trump's body guy and kind of became de facto personnel chief.

Starting point is 00:53:44 And he's already putting it together in conjunction with the Heritage Foundation. They're working on this. I'm not that interested in that because that's just not my skill set. I mean, we're happy to send resumes and stuff. I just want to win because if you don't win, then who cares about your transition project? But the number one policy objection that the base has the Donald Trump was his personnel, right? And, but think about it. You're a once in a 100 year wrecking ball that was once you go from New York City developer and talk show personality, cable personality to President United States.

Starting point is 00:54:17 Like, you don't have a tickler file of personnel. Like, go run the Department of Interior, right? And he wasn't wrong. Like, when he ran his businesses in New York, he did have the best people, but he was able to fire them on demand and they were motivated by one thing, profit. So he was operating under a system

Starting point is 00:54:34 where people wanted to get paychecks. They wanted to get bonus. That's not how DC works at all. It's not a profit system. It's patronage. It's access. it's favors, it's one-off deals, it's deceit. So markets, you know this, Patrick, from building an unbelievably successful business, markets, you cannot lie in a market in the sense of you to make money or you don't make money.

Starting point is 00:55:00 And D.C., it's nothing but lying. House of cards. And by the way, that is 100% how it operates. It's blackmail, it's backroom deals, and here he is like, what the hell is this? Like, let's just build the wall. And then people are leaking on him, right? People are talking negatively about him.

Starting point is 00:55:16 And not to mention, again, some people don't like it when they say, oh, Trump is always the victim and all this, stop it. You had within a week, the FBI, FBI with Peter Struck in the White House illegally entraping the National Security Advisor. That is in clear terms, the administrative state that was going after the will of the sovereign people. What played out in the first Trump term from the first impeachment was which was in illegally listened to Fonka. We forget. It was Eric Schmitz-Schemmerella who leaked a National Security Fonka, we forget. It was Eric Shimarella, who leaked a national security

Starting point is 00:55:45 phone call, who did Donald Trump have that call with? Zelensky. People forget. That was Donald Trump's call with Zelensky that Eric Shimarella was illegally leaked. How about the second impeachment was January 6th, separate issue. But COVID lockdowns, Fauci's lies,

Starting point is 00:55:58 Berks lies, fear mongering, death tolls on TV, CNN, everyone is gonna die. You know, Lancet study, it's gonna wipe out 30% of the population. You know, hydroxych, it's gonna wipe out 30% of the population. You know, hydroxychloric and Ivermectin, vitamin D levels, IV, can't talk about anything that stuff. Social media censorship, dial Trump own shares in Ivermectin. It's a horse drug, go after Joe Rogan.

Starting point is 00:56:16 I mean, has anyone ever had that kind of multi-institutional attack at him? And he's still only, I use the word loss very carefully. He was not president by 8,000 votes in Arizona, like 10,000 votes in Arizona, 12,000 in Georgia and 20,000 in Wisconsin. That's remarkable. They're afraid they can't do 2020 again. And that in 2024, absent indictments or other interference, this guy actually might be

Starting point is 00:56:40 president again, because they're right. He might. That's a scary thought for them. Oh, no, it's terrifying. This is why Jack Smith is acting like he's a Nazi war criminal. Right. I remember one the day when Trump won a beat Hillary and everybody's lit a video. You know the one main video of everybody crying to girls crying.

Starting point is 00:56:56 I mean, I'm sorry. I found joy in that. I'm sure you do. I want to go to sleep, but I have a feeling it's going to be that time that time's 10 if it happens in 24. But Rob, can you pull up the story on California, Vinnie, you were talking about the story. You know what you wanna talk about?

Starting point is 00:57:13 California Assembly Committee blocks bill that could have sent human traffickers to kids, of kids to prison for life. And if you go to the lower, the Golden State lower house committee, Senate Bill 14, which would make human trafficking for a serious felony, the serious felony charges under California law

Starting point is 00:57:32 currently include murder, rape, and any other crime, which may incur in the death penalty or life sentence in the state prison. However, instead of upping the ante on child traffickers, the California Assembly Public Safety Committee, nuked the measure on Tuesday. How wild is that? And they don't just nuked on any week. They nuked on the week of the movie Sound of Freedom coming out that beats Harrison Ford's movie in

Starting point is 00:58:00 Indiana Jones. And I was like, you know, it's just a, you know, it's not a real story. It's just a bunch of different things in accurate facts. What is, like, what is a new, some thinking when stuff like this is passing in his state? How do you sell this? How do you sell this to parents? I don't think he cares because California is so ridiculously Democrat that he's never going to be held accountable. But I mean, you know, Patrick, you have really broad based appeal.

Starting point is 00:58:23 I encourage the next Democrat you have on the show, just like ask them a very simple question, which is like, I know you hate Trump. I know you have to reflexively oppose everything the American right focus is on, right? Like everything. But do you really have to do that when it comes to child sex trafficking?

Starting point is 00:58:36 Like, can you check your pathological type opposition to all things right wing and just maybe like, just lay down in your arms for, don't know one issue like just one issue Can you just like take it easy? I mean rolling stone Guardian QAnon adjacent films seducing America that was the Rolling Stone headline Go that might have been the guardian or the rolling stone guardian had yeah, but that was the time That was clear. Yeah, and so it maybe you could just like take an afternoon off I mean you guys love doing weed a lot like why don't you just like smoke weed and like take,

Starting point is 00:59:06 like this is not a necessary article for you to publish, right? Sound of freedom is a superhero movie for dads with brain worms. Like, okay, that's Rolling Stone.com. First of all, it's a true story. It's a heroic story. It's a beautiful film. It's really successful. Maybe we could all agree that, okay, we have different politics,

Starting point is 00:59:20 but I don't know, like moving children across state lines and prostituting them for rape and for money is probably evil. Like, no, you're queuing on. What will I hold on? Like, do you understand what you're doing? I mean, can you break out of your muscle memory automatic opposition that if someone on the right says

Starting point is 00:59:40 something, I must oppose it. I try my best to do this, right? To not do this, right? If I see something on the left, like if Bobby Kennedy says something, I like,. I try my best to do this, right? To not do this, right? If I see something on the left, like if Bobby Kennedy says something I like, I'm gonna speak out. I encourage everyone in the audience regardless of your politics,

Starting point is 00:59:51 this right here is the most destructive operating behavior in the entire country. When he's on the right, do it. It's bad. People on the left. People on the right don't do it as much. They just don't, because I think they tend to be more intellectually honest

Starting point is 01:00:03 because they have to constantly prove their stances and beliefs. But this right here, what does this accomplish where you're bashing a movie that eight years ago, Patrick, 10 years ago, the country that we used to have 10 years ago, he'll be like,

Starting point is 01:00:17 oh cool film, let's go bring our families. But now it instantly has to politicize things. And people say, oh Charlie, why are we so divided? Because rolling stone politicizes things that should have widespread agreement unless you're a pedophile, unless you are a pedophile. And I'm not suggesting this author is,

Starting point is 01:00:32 but unless you are a pedophile, you should probably support sound of freedom. Charlie, you're 1 million percent right in what you're saying. And I saw the movie last night. You saw it a week ago, less than a week ago. You recommended it. I just saw it. We talked, less than a week ago. You recommend we talked about this the other day with Lauren Chent. And there's probably someone up on an upcoming podcast possible this weekend that we can even bring this up to. But you're absolutely right.

Starting point is 01:00:56 I'm in downtown Miami, not exactly far right wing in Omaga country, not exactly far left either. A Cuban community Republican. Great, beautiful, very purple city here in Miami. Terrific place. All sorts of shapes and colors are at the movie. Everyone jaws drop, shock, holy shit. So if I didn't know about the headlines ahead of time, now that I'm seeing these headlines

Starting point is 01:01:19 as just a reasonable, moderate person, I'm like, what the fuck are they thinking? What is, dad could brainworms, Q&Nug, it's a movie of vilified, disgusting, vile people, and trafficking, which does chill, gin, and selling them in sexual slavery, period full stop. This is not a political agenda,

Starting point is 01:01:44 it's not a political., he pulled out a thing. And so, but rolling stone is like attacking us as dads with brain worms. Look at that. A Q and non-tinged solar. Do you know that Miles Cleesle, he's a weirdo, by the way. They showed up,

Starting point is 01:01:53 photos of his profile. But you know what's crazy in this situation? The left doesn't care. Do you know who does care, Charlie? Criminals. Like people that are in jail, like a Larry Nasser just got stabbed six times, like the ex-Jemnastic guy.

Starting point is 01:02:07 These people don't give a shit, but criminals are in there for, you know, beating people up or burglary, they find your ass and they help a little Joe account. Well, and that goes to show exactly what Aristotle argued, which that there's a hierarchy to the good and there's a hierarchy to the bad, right? And even if someone's like in jail

Starting point is 01:02:23 for embezzling money, or like they even know the most vile scum are the pedophiles and traffickers. So you think about it, you make a really interesting point. Prisoners, I'm not defending the stabbing of Larry Ness. It should happen, but he is the scum of the earth and I believe he'll go into the fire of hell unless he repents in front of Jesus Christ or Lord and Savior.

Starting point is 01:02:41 I really believe that. But even they are like, no. Yeah. Okay, I might have, I don't know, shot up a drive-by shooting or like, shot the bank. Or rather the bank, but. Too much of the kids.

Starting point is 01:02:52 No. Yup. So the morality of a prison gang is clear in the morality of Rolling Stone. Yes. Brilliant. And I've heard that. I've heard that right.

Starting point is 01:03:01 I've heard that multiple times from people I know of. No, that is like the throtties point of. They'll kill you. If they find out that's the reason you're in jail. Not murder. You're dead. No, not criminal activity. In that domain.

Starting point is 01:03:11 No, none of that. They find out that you're raping children, they will come for you in prison. And, you know what, you know what the story was, Charlie, that he, Larry Nazar, was in the prison and Wimbledon. They wanted to watch Wimbledon. He's like, put on the women's and the guy stabbed the shit out of them. So I salute that guy. I care.

Starting point is 01:03:29 You got to get paid. I don't support the vigilante stabbing of people in prisons. However, I will say this, prisons are, I don't know how deep you want to go. And this prisons are super interesting pictures into the state of nature, right? So we're always asking like, what are people like in their natural habitat? So what is prison have? Well, you don't have to work. You have all your meals provided for you.

Starting point is 01:03:48 You have room and board. So what happens in prison? People naturally associated people who look like them. So we're naturally tribal people, right? You naturally form into communities where you other the other people. That's also survival in many cases. No, no, of course it is. But it also just happens that any sort of central planet, right?

Starting point is 01:04:02 Wides with whites, Hispanics, Hispanics, blacks with blacks. I'm not defending it. It's just interesting from any sort of central planet, right? Wides with whites, Hispanics, Hispanics, blacks with blacks. I'm not defending it. It's just interesting from an observational standpoint, but also that there's a moral code that comes in where even the people who are locked up for life that have done things that we would consider to be against civil society standards, they say, nah, that in the state of nature, you do not need to go to Harvard to know. You don't need to go to Stanford to know that raping children is evil. Even the bad people know that is what you're saying.

Starting point is 01:04:29 Even in the state of nature, reduced down, the person that you and I would be like, okay, you shouldn't have robbed those 30 cars or whatever you did, right? They then have a line that thou shall not. What a point. I love that. What a point, right? When you think about that. Like listen, there's a certain moral code.

Starting point is 01:04:47 You did that, no problem. Everybody gangs up against you. Everybody. But that in the state of nature, what it goes to show is that there's something fundamental in our soul that says children are off limits. And yet Rolling Stone does not subscribe to that. You're saying there's a hierarchy of evil

Starting point is 01:05:02 and that's the top of the list. I believe in the better word is gradations, right? Gradations of sins. That, that, for example, stealing a pencil is nowhere near raping a child. I guess it's a different universe. I believe that a pissed hemorrhagic and theologically and religiously. And I think we all agree that morally. But with, I just, I just want to reemphasize the point that the prison gang is thinking

Starting point is 01:05:21 more clearly in terms of good or evil or right and wrong than the main street. And by the way, and if it's the male sex offenders, look how they're wired. Look at these guys. This is a telegraph story. Male sex offenders, faking trans identities to move to women's prison. Brilliant. Okay. Research back by Ministry of Justice suggests that male sex offenders are pretending to be transgender in order to be transferred to women's prisons in mates who fake transitioning seat as a way to lower their risk and that male sex offenders are pretending to be transgender in order to be transferred to women's prisons, inmates who fake transitioning seed as a way

Starting point is 01:05:47 to lower their risk and secure a place in female prison state, there were 168 legally male transwomen prisoners in England and Wales, with only six in women's prisons and the remainder in men's prisons, men jailed for sexual offenses are twice as likely to identify as trans women who then those jailed for other types of offenses. The Ministry of Justice has introduced stricter rulers rules

Starting point is 01:06:14 after the controversy surrounding the placement of a transgender convict convicted of raping two women in an all-female prison. The study reveals concerns about fakers posing a threat to reputation of genuine transgender prisoners, prisoners, and limit resources available in custody. You know what the system? Bad policies eventually get exposed, hypocrisy gets exposed, and now they have to sit there

Starting point is 01:06:34 and try to argue and defend this, and they can't. How you gonna defend this? You can't defend an argument like this. What do you think about when you hear a story like this? Oh, I mean, like I have very strong opinions on the trans thing, but it's not gonna stop, right? I mean, so of course they're gonna, well first of all, the headlines says male sex offenders,

Starting point is 01:06:51 faking trans identities, all trans identities are fake. So I don't understand what you mean fake, like it's all fake. You're not what you wish to be, you are what you are, okay? It's not your good point. So, but yeah, I mean, so they're trying, I mean, this old idea used to be kind of a joke, right? Of, oh yeah, I would be,

Starting point is 01:07:10 want to become a woman so I could go in the female locker room. Well, it's not a joke, it's not policy. And this is a social contagion. I don't fall under this and you guys obviously don't, I hope not either, which is, are you going to reaccomodate all of society for people's deep-seated mental problems? No, that's a really bad idea.

Starting point is 01:07:29 You should not change customs, you should not change rules, you should not change protections of the innocent or women because people are having issues with their own existence or their own identity. Period. And yet we're seeing that not just in prisons, but in sports and in schools. And so you could tell a lot by a society about what do people do with power?

Starting point is 01:07:53 Okay, so if you're in charge of a society, do you use that power to protect people that are not as strong as you? Yeah. Or do you use that power to then terrorize people that are not as strong as you? Almost every society that has ever existed uses power for tyranny or authoritarian means. The West was built on this idea that we are going to intervene to protect those that

Starting point is 01:08:13 can't protect themselves. It's a profound idea, it's a Christian idea, right? That I care about my neighbor, treat your, you know, love your neighbor as yourself. Leviticus 19, Jesus said, you could, you could, the two most important things, love the larger God with all your heart, soul, strength in mind, and then treat, love your neighbor as yourself, Leviticus 19. Jesus said, you could, you could, the two most important things, love the larger God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind, and then treat, love your neighbor as yourself. That teaching built the West, love your neighbor as yourself.

Starting point is 01:08:31 Therefore, if there's someone, for example, in a wheelchair and somebody goes by and just throws them onto the street, you should go to jail for that. Like that, but you look at it through a Darwinistic, secular lens, why? Why not? What's wrong with that? Survival to fittest?

Starting point is 01:08:46 Like no, you should not be able to use your power to exploit harm, damage somebody that does not have the same strength as you. In fact, it's morally incumbent on the people who do have the strength. Now you strength as a broad term, not just physical strength, but I do mean it in this sense. And yes, men are stronger than women.

Starting point is 01:09:04 There are some women that are stronger than men, but generally, bone density to testosterone, muscle mass, like we really have to prove this right now. So don't be surprised when male predators that have deep seated mental problems want to go into women's prisons to rape them. And get them pregnant. There was an issue a couple months ago.

Starting point is 01:09:18 They were getting pregnant. But it's just like this, I mean, again, we live in Narnia in some ways, it's like this really weird existence where five years ago Patrick, when you and I sat down at Turning Point USA's Young Women's Leadership Summit, these feminazies were screaming in my ear about, oh my gosh, men are around the corner,

Starting point is 01:09:33 always wanted to rape me and Kavanaugh's a gang rapist and everyone's Harvey Weinstein. And five years later, they're like, but if Harvey Weinstein identifies as a woman, progress. Yeah, but you're just a question for everybody here. So all of us here. So you know how you just said five years ago, trans wasn't a thing, right?

Starting point is 01:09:49 And we're not talking about it. It was there, but it wasn't what it is. It's not what it is today, right? Okay, so, you know, women's sports, you saw, can you pull up the picture about the, what was it, the Netherlands woman? Oh, yeah, no, that's correct. Miss Netherlands.

Starting point is 01:10:02 Miss Netherlands. Be it out to us. On who she beat out, like who she, so you're at a nightclub. You got two choices. You're 24 years old. You're single. How dark is it?

Starting point is 01:10:12 Who are you picking, right? How dark is the club? Can you get the pictures of the two girls right next to each other? I don't know if you have that or not. By the way, I'm loving that I'm seeing this for the first time. I haven't seen it.

Starting point is 01:10:20 I haven't seen it. I'm loving it on my Instagram. Okay, so now let me Instagram. I have the contrast first. That's her smiling with getting the crown. That's the man, not her.'m loving on my Instagram. Okay, so now let me Instagram. Yeah, I have the contrasts That's her that's her smiling with getting the crown. That's the man not her that's my bad I apologize. That's the guy that just won miss any can't even tell Sorry, bro. Just out there so so so Rob why don't you just go to his Instagram? I'm gonna go pull it up because you have to see this okay. Yeah, it's on my Instagram I did a picture by picture. That's the one you want to show you want to show the one

Starting point is 01:10:43 That's the picture by picture Netherlands is whoa, one you want to show. You want to show the one that's the picture by picture. Netherlands is woke, huh? Yeah. Netherlands went for it. Are you shorts on your Instagram? Where's on your Twitter? Roll down. Oh, that, yeah, see the beauty. And then I believe it's two pictures in a row. I could be wrong. Oh, you got it long enough. See, if you got it on I could you guys have you open it. You open it in a new tab. It usually, yeah, you're you're Rob. I'll just take you and you never would have thought like another list. I have it all on for it, huh? I didn't there part of the EU bro. Just tell me when you got it. I'm going to text it. You see the picture. The guy on the left. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:11:10 wins. Try the next one. Try the next photo. I told you what? Check this out. Oh my God. The one to the left wins. The girl on the right. Narada. Who are the judges? That's the real close. So you're at a nightclub. Yeah. Once to your left, once to your right Vinnie. How many drinks? Once says to you. How many drinks? One says to you. Hello Vinnie.

Starting point is 01:11:32 Hello. The other one says to you. Hi Vinnie. Which one are you going to be picking? Do you realize the guy to the left wins Miss Netherlands? How many long island I see? Is that what I have? It doesn't matter how many brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and brick and because it's sort of a different perspective on the picture. Can you punch in, Rob? That's as far in as I can go.

Starting point is 01:12:06 That's intentional. Please stay that far away from me. That's intentional. But the point is, actually, while we're talking, try to find a picture that's zoomed in a little bit more to Cedo. I'm going to actually, let's see the atoms apple, buddy.

Starting point is 01:12:18 When you're thinking about it, when you're going through this, Rob, you find it, but here's what I want you to think about. You know, some ideas create momentum, and then it's short lived and it disappears or some toys or some games or some whatever, right? This happens all the time. Hey, remember in New York, they used to do the punch, the person I know you would run away. Oh yeah, yeah, the knocking album.

Starting point is 01:12:37 Yeah, zoom in a little bit more. But what's the, I'm sorry, can I interrupt you? Yeah, go for it. Look at the women applauding. And I have a whole theory on this. I want to get into it. Tell us. Well, look, Andrew Tate talks about this frequently.

Starting point is 01:12:49 By the way, your interview was great. I didn't watch all five hours, but you've done a great job, Patrick. Congratulations. Thank you. You covering all that. Is that men are disagreeable by nature. We are the ones that say no.

Starting point is 01:13:00 Women are agreeable by nature. They want to be liked. That right there is a feminine culture gone awry. Agreeableness by all means. Agreeableness even to allow men to metaphorically rape our competitions. This is a metaphoric rape of Miss Netherlands is what it is. I am a man and I'm forcibly inserting myself without consent into your competition. I'm sorry to be so graphic,

Starting point is 01:13:24 but that's what this is. And they're like, oh yeah, progress. Applauding. I imagine for a second if it was an all-male competition. That's how it's just where I was going. I put up with that crap. The guys just said, back up and be like, what the, what the, what's going on?

Starting point is 01:13:39 You knew this is a fucking thing. Who are you, who are you, the punk? Because this is why when a society goes to feminine, it can also become to tyrannical. But how long is this going to last? So again, go back to it. Listen, the question I'm asking is, remember that one thing you stood on it and you would go, you would spin, whatever that thing was, that one wheel thing.

Starting point is 01:13:57 What was it? Take away, stand the second side. Anyway, for about three years, five years, that thing was hot, right? Paul Blart, he talked about a lot of things, trendy products that disappeared after two, three, four, five years, right? And you're no longer using it. Vaccines. How long, how long, how long is this going to go before they themselves women?

Starting point is 01:14:17 Like you know what it's going to take? It's going to take a feminist girl from the left who's a hardcore liberal to come out and say, guys, this is too much because let me tell you what happened to my daughter. I'm not with it. So I, it will only last as long as we allow it to last because it is a pathogen of evil. And we must be intolerant of this crap. There should be no openness to this period. But I'm not as bullish on an ending soon because, unlike the segue, this is supported by Segway, this is supported by the CDC, this is supported by, and by the way, vastly billions of dollars be made by Pfizer,

Starting point is 01:14:52 AstraZeneca, Moderna, not just on the surgery, but on the annuities of other drugs that will be made. This is a cash cow for the most powerful companies in the world. You can look up the map and there used to be two, two gender clinics 40 years ago in the Western world. Now there are well over five to 600 in America alone. You could fact check me on this, but I believe it's at least five or 600. Probably grew by five just sitting here. Yes. And by the way, if you look at, yeah, in the 60s or 70s, there were some and then there were none.

Starting point is 01:15:25 I don't know what the number is now. You can look it up. It's got a lot. It's at least five or 600 nationwide. So there's a whole cottage industry, Patrick. But here's the biggest problem. It's the social contagion. It's like the lab leak from Wuhan, right?

Starting point is 01:15:37 It's out. And so how do we actually inoculate ourselves against it? That the transmission is through TikTok, where they are praying on young girls that have puberty anxiety that are misdiagnosing their puberty anxiety for gender dysphoria. And then they go into a predatory pediatric environment where the questions are all wrong. The questions are, well, do you think you're a man? Would you like to talk to somebody about whether you're a man? Instead of, I understand you're having anxiety about Would you like to talk to somebody about whether you're a man?

Starting point is 01:16:05 Instead of, I understand you're having anxiety about where you're at. Let's just take pause and allow yourself to develop. Puberty's actually the solution here. It's not the problem. What do they do? They give them puberty blockers. They slow down the thing that actually, once it comes to completion and your hormones balance and you're like, okay, my estrogen and testosterone levels naturally kind of even out, then we're

Starting point is 01:16:29 clear. How long Patrick I have no idea. But we as clear courageous Americans, you stand up against this and it is tyrannical in nature. That's got to be an outdated map. And there was one more reason. And Charles, you said TikTok and what a great segue just of how China has just been owning our asses. They obviously own TikTok.

Starting point is 01:16:48 They're infiltrated, they've already done it. They're training their kindergarten kids for combat. I'm not even joking, they put them in war boot camps. They spy on China, it's not a gun shooting war. It's a slowly infiltrating us, and that's one of the main ones is the trans and making men. You also said that you're not bullish on basically the stopping. The biggest thing is I am. And I'll tell you guys here in a minute.

Starting point is 01:17:14 Yeah, well, I want to give you, but I want you to go. Yeah, well, I just want to, I want to give you kudos because you just did a whole episode on this, the dark history of the LGBT community, right? That's the map, I'm sorry, just keep going. All good, but the key word in that is the T. Guys, you know, nobody's got a problem with the Ls, the Gs, the T is where, all right, what's happening right now?

Starting point is 01:17:36 That's a totally different agenda. By the way, you said that 20% of Gen Z, that's what we're talking about here. It's not part of the ocean. It's not part of America. It's not part, we're not gonna work, guys. Well, it's not gonna work. It's trending in the wrong direction. By the way, we's what we're talking about here. It's not part of the ocean. The future of America is not part, we're not gonna work, guys. Well, it's not gonna work.

Starting point is 01:17:47 It's trending in the wrong direction. By the way, we can, we can, this is why we have a debate. And you know, we point out leaks and our argument, your argument and we have, but we have a good time with this. So can you go to, go to the other one, I sent you, I just sent you two links in the email.

Starting point is 01:17:59 If you can pull up one of them, one of them that validates his is the one from Pentagon. If you can pull that up, I don't know if you have it or not. Okay, so the one from Pentagon shows this is from military.com. So this is not a website that is a second party, third party, a blogger or any of that stuff. It's military.com says here's how much the Pentagon has spent so far to treat transgender troops, the military, you and I are paying for this. Okay.

Starting point is 01:18:28 Here's how much it's spent. Okay, so again, this is what website, military.com. Don't be with the Pentagon. The Pentagon has spent 15 million hours on the past five years to treat 1892 transgender troops, including 11.5 million for psychotherapy, and 3.1 million for surgeries, according to

Starting point is 01:18:45 defense department data provided to military.com, and then you can see up the 243-gender resum in surgeries performed on a military person large since 2016. Fifty of them was in 16. 193 occurred from January 1st, 2018 to 2019, and then two years after President Donald Trump announced via Twitter, he would bar transgender individuals from serving the military. Okay, so now, you see this, you're like,

Starting point is 01:19:11 wait a minute, I paid this much, yeah, taxpayer, you paid for it. Now, one argument I'll make to you, how dumb this is, I want you to think about this. I want you to think you're the enemy. And the enemy, gee, Putin gets a report. Hey, sir, I have a report to show you deeply concerning. What's that? It's a massive threat. America has a new secret weapon on how

Starting point is 01:19:32 they're going to take us down. What's that? Do they have a new, new, new, new, new, new, no, they're investing in transgender surgeries. What? And these guys are a, like, they're even better than Navy Seals. No way. We think Putin's sitting there saying that's exactly what's going on with America now. They're under cover. I mean, give the flip sides. Now watch this.

Starting point is 01:19:53 Who supported, kids staying home and not going to school. Who supported it? Who supported it? The left, the most. The left. And general surgeon Vivek comes out saying, no, we need to stay home and all this other stuff. Here's what we need to do because we can't risk the lives of all these elderly.

Starting point is 01:20:08 Perfect. Give the other article that I just texted to you. This is new by the look what website it is. Go to what website it is. It's important to show the website all the way at the top. This is the US Department of Health and Human Services. Not go. This is who came to our office when COVID happened.

Starting point is 01:20:24 If you remember and in Dallas, they wanted to find us, they said, you guys covered all the things because Ian did a great job back then. So go back to the article on the bottom and see what happens. This is May 3rd. Put the date on when it is at the top. So they can see it.

Starting point is 01:20:36 May 3rd, 2023. New surgeon general advisory raises a alarm about the devastating impact of the epidemic of loneliness and isolation in the United States. Hello. No shit. You pulled this off, right? So here's the point, this is what's gonna happen. Wait to one of their daughters gets violated by transgender man and it's deep in their house.

Starting point is 01:20:58 And then they're gonna realize, guys, I don't give a fly and you know what? This just crossed the line. This is insanity. And then they're going to unify and come together and say, we have to create a leak. Trans, you want to compete against each other, go ahead and compete against each other. But the level level of,

Starting point is 01:21:16 you know, one of the questions I want to ask one of our friends that's coming on next Saturday, I mean, I've been exchanging moments, going to believe that this guy's going to pop his next Saturday. Oh, next Saturday, gotcha. I can't wait to have this conversation with them to guys she really like. And it's probably one of the top five biggest

Starting point is 01:21:31 liberal TV show hosts out there. I'm excited about having them on, okay. So you're gonna know his name. You know what the question's gonna be? Here's what the question's gonna be. The question's gonna be, what do we have in common? What do Republicans and OG Democrats, Kennedy Democrats, Clinton Democrats? I'm not talking Biden Democrats.

Starting point is 01:21:51 What do Clinton Democrats and JFK Democrats have in common with Republicans? What is it? What do we have? I bet there is so many things we agree on. Is it fair to say that you want wanna make sure your kids are protected? Yes, I do too. Right. Is it fair to say that you wanna be able to go

Starting point is 01:22:11 to any church you wanna go to? If you're an atheist, no problem. You're a Scientologist, no problem. You're Christian, Muslim, go for it. Practice whatever you want. You agree that? I do too. Right.

Starting point is 01:22:19 Is it fair to say that you don't wanna pay so much taxes that the incentive goes away for your kids to want to go build a business one day, have their dreams become, yeah, I'm with that. Okay, is it fair that we won't want the country to be safe? I do. Maybe you don't want to spend as much money,

Starting point is 01:22:33 maybe I don't want to spend that much money, maybe we, but we both agree, yes. How about the transgender stuff? Can I ask why we can't agree on this? You know, I'm watching a video of Serena Williams. We've all seen it. She's on David Letterman. He's trying to get her to say,

Starting point is 01:22:48 and she says, no, Andy Murray called me and said, let's play a match together. And Serena says, honestly, Andy, I don't want to play against you because it'll be a five minute match. He'll beat me six, nothing, six, nothing. It won't even be close. I don't want to compete against men

Starting point is 01:23:00 because I'll lose. I want to compete against women. It's not even fair. And then David Letterman and the audience is quiet. Because you know what, and by the way, she's a liberal, her husband, Armenian guy. He's a liberal, they're not Republicans, but she's saying logic.

Starting point is 01:23:14 Eventually, this is the one, if you want to play this and look how uncomfortable it gets, everyone's seen it here. Can you make a big rent a place? So watch what happens here with her. Well, actually it's funny because Andy Murray, he, oh, he was been joking about myself and him playing a match. And I'm like, Andy, seriously, like, are you kidding me?

Starting point is 01:23:33 Because for me, tennis and minstems and women's tennis are completely almost two separate. She's a Democrat. I'm like, if I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6. 06. 05 to 6 minutes, maybe 10 minutes, because. No, it's true. It's true.

Starting point is 01:23:49 It's completely. No one's reacting. It's a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster. And they get, they serve harder. They hit harder. It's just a different game. And I love to play women's tests.

Starting point is 01:24:00 And I only want to play girls. She's really cool. I don't want to be in bears. I would not do the cross. Zero. Zero. I wouldn't do Billie Jean any justice. So Andy's stop it. Yeah. I'm not gonna let you kill me. Okay.

Starting point is 01:24:11 I'm with you when it comes to you. Oh, I'm with you. Okay, David. You sure your withs is old though. Yeah. No, no, no, it's 10 years old. But it's not a question. No, it's not the point though.

Starting point is 01:24:20 Yeah. She would say the same thing today though. 100%. She would say the same thing today because common sense and logic eventually prevails because eventually certain communities like one of the things you said it's so powerful. The world, the word I've been dealing with lately for myself is tolerance and intolerance. You know, the whole thing about, you know, we, we, Christian, you know, two, three communities are ruining America. It's very easy for me to scare and lazy Republicans, okay? You're not buying time magazine.

Starting point is 01:24:48 You're not buying, you know, any of the stuff that's available. You're not buying any of these media companies while they're buying. So no more on the scared and lazy Republicans. Number two is tolerant Christians. And number three is, do your thing libertarians. I think those three communities are ruining America. But logic and common sense comes out and Democrats say, it's going to exist.

Starting point is 01:25:07 I'm kind of on the same page with you there. So maybe it's America over my political party. Eventually, I think enough people are going to say America over my political party. Yeah. And I agree. So whether I'm bearish or the trans thing is unique because it's fundamentally predatory on anxiety that's not going to go away with young teenagers. And we have now trained hundreds of thousands of teachers to advance this social contagion, 40% of all brown kids,

Starting point is 01:25:34 38% of all students at Brown University identifies LGBTQIA+. Okay, 38%. This is the gayest generation in history. Let's just talk, you could have your own opinions on the gay thing, I believe in traditional marriage, obviously. But how are you going to like repopulate the species if 40% of your people are 38% or yet 38% at Brown University? Wow. Our gay. 38%. This is a social contagion. So it is accelerating. It's not slowing down, but Patrick, you're right. it could end up slowing down,

Starting point is 01:26:05 but it requires a mindset shift. It requires decent ordinary people to say, okay, I grew up with the temperament of live and let live. I'm not gonna allow you to have this trans-zealatory continue to spread across the country. This is a war on reality. What you just saw with Serena Williams and David Letterman was a 50 second refreshing clip

Starting point is 01:26:26 of reality, the entire project of postmodernism rejects reality. It's you can be whatever you want to be as you want to be it. Take chemicals, wage war on your own natural design. You get to decide your own existence. You can just think it in your mind. You didn't even take chemicals.

Starting point is 01:26:44 No, that's exactly right. And I'm a billionaire, guys. That's how I identify. It really is this simple. And I don't mean to like trivialize this. The new divide in America is team reality against insane neurotic people. It's that simple.

Starting point is 01:27:00 If you are on team reality, Bobby Kennedy, I think he's great. He lives on team reality, okay? He lived, he's great, he lives on team reality, okay? He lived, he had the biggest crime that Bobby Kennedy Jr. has committed is the crime of noticing. Oh, wait, why do I have so many people of autism? Why is our air like harder to breathe?

Starting point is 01:27:16 Like wire testosterone rates down. Oh, he's a QAnon conspiracy theorist, far right wing extremist, Kennedy Democrat, because he commits the crime of noticing. Noticing is the first step to live in reality. When you don't- When you're saying something about this. Yes, then speaking the truth, which we believe in the Christian tradition, is the logos,

Starting point is 01:27:34 right? So, it's very simple. The West used to- 99% of people in the West used to believe in this, regardless of your religious affiliation. I'm going to notice what's happening around me. I'm going to say what's happening around me, and then we can have a discussion of whether or not that should continue. Now you're not even allowed to notice it.

Starting point is 01:27:48 Now it's you're a bigot, you're a terrible person for even mentioning the injustice that is so obviously happening around you. Yeah, absolutely truth. So by the way, have you seen the Gallopold, have you seen the Gallopold that shows in America? I'm asking Brandon to say this because this video that we did on LGBTQ, if you've not seen this video,

Starting point is 01:28:08 let me tell you. It's great. The amount of emails and stuff I got from people, 95% was positive. Good saying, I didn't even know this data. You know what was one of the most interesting data, data points? Brandon, if he can send it to me if you don't,

Starting point is 01:28:23 to talk good, you have it in your notes. It went not this one, it's another one. He didn't send you the right one. This one, everyone's seen. There was one that we had that showed in 1979, they asked, it's a Gallup poll. They asked Americans what percentage of gays are they gay because they're born that way

Starting point is 01:28:42 versus their environment? You know what percentage of Americans in 1979 said you're born gay versus environment? Less than 15%. Probably exactly 13%. Interesting. You're right there. Right? You know what the number is today here?

Starting point is 01:28:55 I got the Gallupol. I want to show it probably 65%. I want to say it's 49% I want to say that's lower than I thought. Yeah, you have to see this Gallupol. By the way, this link to this Gallup poll I two things I recommend go watch that LGBTQ video and two keep this Gallup poll We're about to put put it in the comment section so people can also have it Rob I'm texting it to you if you can pull it up because it's different versus when somebody says it versus you see it gallup.com

Starting point is 01:29:21 That says what this is and The one I want you to go to where it says on the other side. They don't go on the list of regardless. Okay, go all the way to the bottom that says what percentage of people were born gay versus their environment. Okay, it's all the way I think at the bottom if you can find this. By the way, Gallup, pretty credible.

Starting point is 01:29:41 They're up polling. Very credible. Source, yeah. So not far right., not far left. They've also shown that the country's moving center right. That's another poll they've done recently, which is really, yeah. By the way, he's right, and you know what else they found out,

Starting point is 01:29:53 which was kind of weird. Let's whole thing about born gay versus not born gay. There was another thing that they said about where we were at back in the days, on allowing gays to adopt children. This one produced the biggest controversy on the questions. Back in 1977, it was only 14%. They said they should.

Starting point is 01:30:11 Today it's 75%. If you go all the way to the bottom and type in adopt, if you just control if adopt, it'll show up. If you just wanted to type in, there you go. Look at that. 1977, 14% said they should. 77% no, they should not, but in 2019, it's 75% they should.

Starting point is 01:30:28 It's inverted. It's inverted, okay. And then you have the 13% that said they were born or they were not born. The whole point is, and then there was another data that came out with Gallup, which was very interesting. The whole about black liberals versus white liberals. I don't know if you've seen this one.

Starting point is 01:30:42 No, but black liberals tend to be more socially conservative than white liberals. By a mile. Even white conservatives, they're more socially conservative than. So, so Republicans, black liberals, white liberals, just think about those three. Okay. Same question. What percentage of gays are born gay versus, you know, their environment? Okay.

Starting point is 01:31:02 Reputl versus nurture. Reputl versus nurture. Reputl and say no, it's your environment, you're not born gay, okay? White liberals, 72% said you're born that way. You know what, black liberals was 30% I believe it. They were 21% away from Republicans and 42% away from white liberals. So I think there's, and then by the way, when you look at the Muslim community and you know what percentage of Muslims vote liberal community and you know what percentage of Muslims vote liberal

Starting point is 01:31:25 Do you know what percent of Muslims vote 80% 70 plus percent vote liberal? But by the way, here's the data for you very interesting This is something for you to be considering with an attorney point USA to think about check this out midterms Do you know from 2018 midterms to 2022 midterms watch this? 2018 midterms to 2022 midterms, specifically Muslims. 2018 midterms only 17% voted Republican. Let me say it again. 2018 midterms only 17% voted Republican. Do you know what it was in 2022? 28%. Oh wow. Guys, that's 11% in four years. Here's what is happening that that's profound. That's profound. Here's what is happening that's profound. That's profound.

Starting point is 01:32:05 Here's what's happening. By the way, we'll send you that data. Here's what's happening, which is exciting. This is what I love that's happening. It's exciting, which is kind of awkward. It's a very awkward, very weird, but it's exciting. Okay. What would happen to liberals?

Starting point is 01:32:19 You ready for this one? By the way, we know why Muslims don't vote conservative because conservatives are pro-Israel. So it's kind of like something that's stemmed with us, and they're kind of like, but in every issue abortion, Muslims have the lowest percentage of divorces, lowest percentage of divorces. How do they feel about abortion? How do they feel about LGBTQ? All of that stuff, Muslims have a conservative belief, but Democrats have won over the Muslim vote as well as the Black vote because of, you know of certain positions, right?

Starting point is 01:32:45 What if conservatives are able to win black liberals and what if conservatives are able to win Muslims and what if Muslims and Christians come together and say, look, let's set aside prophet Muhammad and Jesus. We know what you believe in, we know what we believe in. But listen, when it comes onto these issues with family, let's unite. Do you know how scary it would be

Starting point is 01:33:05 if a Republican strategist behind closed doors brought the 10 biggest influencers and said, we have to make a better argument to Muslims because Republicans have always been what? No, no, no, step far into Muslims. No, no, no, step far into Muslims. There's a lot of Muslims that are waiting to convert to Republican, Republicans are not doing a good job

Starting point is 01:33:22 winning them over. The argument makes sense for Muslims to be Republican, but Republicans are doing a good job winning them over. The argument makes sense for Muslims to be Republican, but Republicans are doing a terrible job winning their vote. So all I'm saying to you is when we're talking about, this is gonna get worse, this is gonna get worse, I think you have to present your argument better to convert and if we do, I think common sense it's gonna eventually prevail.

Starting point is 01:33:42 Yeah, and I'm obviously not a Muslim, but I'll say this, I would much rather work with a Muslim parent association than an LGBTQ organization on the right. And the opposite is actually happening. People on the right are trying to go out of their way to go try to make peace with the game off of you. And I think the opposite, it's like, well, no,

Starting point is 01:34:02 go to people that actually share some of your values, theological differences aside. You saw in Dearborn, Michigan, the parents that were rising up against the grooming sexual perversion of children were Muslim families. And you see this with Latinos, you see this again with blacks and Muslims.

Starting point is 01:34:19 So here's what you're getting at, Patrick, which is very deep, and I agree completely, which is that this woke virus, as we call it, these woke idea pathogens, they are only popular in white upper middle class college educated coastal communities. And yet they are being almost colonistically imposed on the rest of the country.

Starting point is 01:34:44 So Midwestern Christians don't want the woke thing. But what there is a thermonuclear political weapon that's about to be deployed, where you can exploit how white liberal ideas are being forced to black youth, Hispanic youth, and Muslim youth. That has not been exploited, and we're seeing it in the polling.

Starting point is 01:35:04 We're seeing it where the Yale Harvard white upper east side liberals in New York who all agree that the trans thing is the greatest thing ever. They all want this, but you know where it's unpopular? People that still have an attachment to the customs and the traditions of their home country that have not yet been infected by the Yale zeitgeist of the chemical castration of children.

Starting point is 01:35:31 By the way, guys, let me tell you, I'm telling you right now, this is gonna sound weird. If Republicans win the Muslim vote and the Black Liberal vote, it's game over for a few decades. And it's not possible, it's not impossible to do so. The presentation has to be better by purely presenting logic. Go back to the Gallup data, and then I want to hear your thoughts. Go back on the Gallup data.

Starting point is 01:35:58 Control F for me, because we didn't show it, so I want the audience to see exactly. Control F, the word born. Okay, you found it. Is this it? Okay, is this, yeah, that's how, so watch this. In your view of being gay or lesbian, something you're born with, or due to factors that's upbringing and environment, look at this.

Starting point is 01:36:15 This is 2019, as far as it goes. What does this say, born with, 49%. Go all the way to the bottom, that says, in 1977, 13%. Okay, how did this happen? at the bottom that says, in 1977, 13%, okay? How did this happen? This is the constant trying to baptize people to think this is normal,

Starting point is 01:36:32 and they're able to go to the youngest generation. There's two data points with traditional list. There's one that says 1.7% of the Marguerite. There's another one that says 0.8% of the Marguerite. If there's one thing we know about traditionalists, they could give a shit about our opinion. So they're not gonna be like, not coming out of closet because they're worried about what you and I think about it.

Starting point is 01:36:48 They're going to do whatever the hell they want to do. And then with these two guys, two communities, imagine all of a sudden a liberal has to defend a Muslim with pure values. You see Elon Omar tap dance around this whenever she gets asked questions about this trans stuff, or Rashida Talib, who are the two most outspoken Muslim members of Congress. Interestingly enough, there was a Muslim attorney general candidate who lost by 240 votes in Arizona, my home state, Abe Hamaday, who should have been attorney general. And there is a sizable Muslim population in Arizona and he was really clear on all the major issues. And so just to kind of re-emphasize the point here,

Starting point is 01:37:27 here's understandably, and Pat, you'll have to meet kind of the right halfway. There's an understandable fear that American Muslims have animosity towards American Christians and vice versa. Okay? There is some truth to that in the very radical Islamic circles. Sure. Okay. However, we're talking about politics, which by definition is the sport of addition

Starting point is 01:37:50 and multiplication, not division and subtraction. So if you want to multiply your ranks, you have a community of people that you don't agree with theologically that are currently a devoted Democrat voting group. Wouldn't it make sense to then just focus on two issues that pro-life trans, that pro life trans, pro life trans, pro life trans?

Starting point is 01:38:08 Muslims are 99% in agreement. So say why is there that division between the two? It's some of it is a, is a, is a, is a, is a theological. And I share some of this, right? Belief that radical Muslims want to bring Sharia to the United States. Right. And I'm not saying I even believe that, you know, wholeheartedly, that that is something a lot of Christians do believe. Secondly, post 9-11, there was a fair amount of nonprofit chatter and a fair amount of activism that presented Islam with no nuance. No nuance in the sense of

Starting point is 01:38:43 that all Muslims believe the same thing. And that's, I don't think, a fair representation, right? There's radical Muslims, there's people that take it, you know, I have a very good friend, Zudy Jasser in Arizona, who is calling for a reformation, right? But here's the point, is that what I would challenge Republicans are conservative with is like,

Starting point is 01:39:00 okay, let's pretend you think that Muslims want an authoritarian regime. You're already living under one. You're living under a trans authoritarian regime. And here's a group of people that want to smash that regime. Wouldn't that be nice to build a coalition for one? So let me tell you, I'm about to get a little uncomfortable with the audience and they may or may not like it, but that's my comfort zone.

Starting point is 01:39:18 Okay. So we're in Bahamas last week. We're having dinner. We're laughing our asses off for about three hours. Guy sitting across from me is the same guy that I went to him to ask for the Quran that I gifted to Tate at the end. If you watch the interview with Tate at the end, I didn't get that far. But if you just go to the last two minutes, that's all you need to do. I gave him a Quran. I gave him a Bible from 1870 and I gave him mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis

Starting point is 01:39:43 through it. I'm like, listen, here's three three books one of them is an old Bible one of them CS lose hopefully you read CS lose you know do your thing He loves them by the way Yeah, but if you see it the guy doesn't get emotional you could tell you got a national with a skiff was given to him and obviously we We have taught I love the fact that Tucker did the interview with them and he went to Romania and whether we were the guinea pigs to realize that You can make it back to America to talk to them. It is all good, we'll cry, we did that. But this is not the one, don't worry about it, Rob, it's fine, it's a new one, that's the older one.

Starting point is 01:40:11 But here's what happened there. When we talked to this guy, Haas, Stat, love him, love his wife, Naveen, good people. So he starts talking about Muslims, America, Israel, Republican, Christians, and this guy is a hardcore conservative. Maybe more a hardcore conservative than a Muslim. And I'm saying something because he is a Muslim and a proud one.

Starting point is 01:40:39 And he's the kind that converts. He's not a kind that just talks about it. So he's the kind that converts. And he converts Christians. And we, I think the number was shown on how many Americans have converted to Muslim, the numbers like 20,000 Christians, of which 75% are women that have 25% are men. Okay. And a lot of them are blacks, by the way, that are converting. And that's been the case since the 60s. That's been the case since the 60s. Shorab Ali, Rehaz, and all this, yeah. We did. But here's where it went. I said, and he said, well, you know,

Starting point is 01:41:07 the challenges that Muslims, you know, there being identified stereotypes with, you know, being a terrorist and violent. Okay, no problem. I said, let me ask you a question. I said, are all stereotypes correct or incorrect? Are they partially correct? This is what Pat.

Starting point is 01:41:23 I said, let me just kind of give you some stuff here. So you ready? He says, yes. I me just kind of give you some stuff here. So you ready? He says yes. I said the Armenian. I said I'm Armenian. I'm half Armenian, half a Syrian. I said, do you realize AIG flew out to my house to drop my contract because I was Armenian,

Starting point is 01:41:36 because the guy talked to my wife and said Armenians are known for insurance fraud. And we're worried that Patrick the same thing is going to happen. The same guy that came with the lawyer to terminate me, seven years later, I had his retirement on a yacht. He had five speakers to speak in front of his entire friends and family. The last one that spoke was his best friend. The second to the last one was me. Wow.

Starting point is 01:41:58 That spoke, we are great friends today. Mutual respect, like you would have been. I love this guy, I can say that, right? I said, okay, what are Asians known for? And we're in the room, we're just asking everybody because there's a Filipino, it's all driving, okay, Jews. Okay, that's stereotyping. You really wanna say this?

Starting point is 01:42:16 Cheap money, okay, hey, blacks, a black on black ground, fatherless homes, okay. We kept going, everything, we're Indian. I was 7-11, you know, we kept going. Everything with Indians. I was 7-11, you know, you're gas stations. Literally everybody, and it was all nationalities. So it was comfortable to say because you're making fun of yourself. You're being self-deprecating.

Starting point is 01:42:35 I said, once the last time you heard about a black terrorist, he says, what do you mean? I said, have you ever heard about the stereotype a black terrorist? No. He's like, no. I said, why is there, you the stereotype a black terrorist? No. He's like, no. I said, why is there, you know, Middle East, Muslim, terrorist?

Starting point is 01:42:49 Why is that connotation there? So, wow, you know, it's because there's so much anger of what the West has done to this, that it's okay. You go look at the top 10 countries in the world for the last 50 years, this data's out there. If you look at the top 10 countries in the world who has the most, you know, terrorist attacks, violent attacks against each other, eight out of 10 is Muslim.

Starting point is 01:43:08 Of course. So now, they're gonna sit there and say, see, I knew you were against me. I knew you were against this. No problem. Hear me out. Now, let's flip it on them. You ready for the other side?

Starting point is 01:43:17 That Muslims are gonna like this part? I was born in Iran. Ten years I lived in Iran. You know what the West did to Middle East and countries? Before the Ottoman Empire born in Iran, 10 years I lived in Iran. You know what the West did to Middle Eastern countries before the Ottoman Empire fell in whatever, 1916, 1917, 1918 when the Ottoman Empire fell, and all of these countries were part of theirs, and then all of a sudden, hey, you know,

Starting point is 01:43:35 we're gonna regulate these guys, Palestine and this, and we're gonna France and Britain, they're gonna have these countries that are gonna regulate. Hey, Iran, you guys don't know how to manage oil, we'll take care of your oil. Look, these people are dumb. Let's just take care of their oil, right?

Starting point is 01:43:48 The British oil company. Yes, so guess what? These guys are saying, no, no, no, no, no, listen. Stop trying to take our money. You keep ruining our country by creating so many proxy wars and havoc. Muslims have a good point there. And then there's a statistic that came out showing

Starting point is 01:44:02 the angriest people in the world. Do you showing the angriest people in the world. Do you know the angriest people in the world? You can pull up the statistic. Rob while we're talking. Do you know the angriest people in the world? Eight out of 10 are Muslim countries. Yeah. Why though? Because you're raised.

Starting point is 01:44:15 How many around trust me? My friends and family, if you come to one of our parties, we look like we're angry. Have to tell me. We have a conversation for no reason. But I'll say 10 more seconds and I'll give it over to you. And I want to hear your thoughts on this. The point I'm trying to make, right there, look at this. Angry as countries and look go to the top

Starting point is 01:44:29 so people can see world's angry as countries. I think there's a simple explanation for that. By the way, if you look at this one, the third one makes a lot of sense. Armenia. The third one makes a lot of sense. Armenians Azerbaijan, Turkey, the whole, you know, look who's above Armenia, by the way,

Starting point is 01:44:41 who's angry at who, Armenia, Turkey. But this is the point I'm making to you. I think if the way it's presented in the following way. Listen, Muslims, Islam. Listen man, stop acting like you guys are saints in innocent and your history is beautiful and perfect. Relax bro. You know you got some dirt in your history.

Starting point is 01:45:02 Fair. But no, no, you're right. Christians, West, relax. Like, hey, we got 800 military bases in the world. We're in everyone's freaking business. Of course you're going to piss people off. You want to know about everyone's business, everyone's divorce.

Starting point is 01:45:17 Leave my marriage alone. Of course you're going to create enemies. OK. Now we have a mutual understanding and agreement. What do we agree on? Family values and principles. Why don't we unite here and all the other stuff? Guess what, Muslims?

Starting point is 01:45:30 Do you know in every region in the world, what religion has the most babies per women? Right, Islam. In every region in the world, except for one, South and Central America, every other reason. Number one is Muslims. Guess what, Christians, you ain't having enough babies. That's your problem. Go compete. Have more babies. these guys are doing 2.9 4.9 you doing 1.9 2.1

Starting point is 01:45:49 Of course you're gonna get your ass handed to you stop being so upset and go in the bedroom and make some damn babies You're making enough of them these are logical conversations where you can't be like well I don't want to compete against Muslims. No, they're kicking your ass This is a real conversation of what you're doing about it. So again That's my point on what I think we can do to kind of get the two to see a little bit more on what we're seeing and what weaknesses some Christians have on this as well. Your thoughts? Yeah, I don't want to go too deep theologically. I think there's a super simple reason

Starting point is 01:46:17 why most Muslim countries have difficult or rather so angry is because they don't embrace a simple market principle charging interest. Is that if you do not have interest, you cannot freely lend out money. Now, there's some work arounds around that, but you're going to remain permanently poor if you do not have a banking system that allows for entrepreneurial activity. I would imagine that all of us have taken out loans before. Yes, what you're referring to, right? Which was used to be outlawed in the Christian community. Yes, that's how Jews's in the city. Which was used to be outlawed in the Christian community. Yes, that's true. How Jews made all the money.

Starting point is 01:46:46 Yes, and Jews find a workaround in the book of Exodus. It explicitly actually prohibits it, but the rabbis found a workaround because they realize that flourishing and prosperity actually comes with the ability to charge interest, right? I'm very pro-interest because then you're allowed to bet on entrepreneurs and bet on people to buy homes. So I think that's part of it, but not the whole story.

Starting point is 01:47:08 I don't know how deep you wanna get into this theologically Patrick, there are some fundamental differences between world view of Muslims and Christians that I think need to be ironed out, but I will get back, I'm not that interested in that conversation, I'm just not. What I'm more interested in is understanding that right now we are not living in a secular

Starting point is 01:47:27 America, we're living in a place where the God of America has replaced it with trans-Zelitary worship of the self, widespread narcissism, and kind of a globalist ideal. And so the question is, how do you then defeat that thing? And sometimes you have to make a prudent step that you might not be thrilled with to partner with a group of people that you do not see eye to eye on, theologically or otherwise, to build a coalition to win.

Starting point is 01:47:54 Whether it be in World War II or other times, we as the United States have been willing to sometimes build coalitions with governments, people. And so again, if a Muslim, a mom was here, we'd have a lot of disagreements, right? Four major differences between Islam and Christianity after my head, you know, I believe in the anerity

Starting point is 01:48:11 of the Bible, they believe in the Quran, they believe in the prophet Muhammad. One of the reasons they tend to be a violent people too is because their prophet was a very violent person. Christ was not, right? Not to mention the Trinity, they believe in Allah. There's a lot of differences, right? However, the things we can agree on in American public policy is as simple as this.

Starting point is 01:48:29 Let's just start here. It is impossible to be a devout Muslim and vote Democrat. It's impossible. How you as a Muslim could then say you believe in what the Quran teaches and what Allah commands of you, right? And also say it's okay to teach this grooming perversion. Elon Omar Rashida Talib are sitting on some very, very fragile footing right there. And they're able to capture those Democrat votes

Starting point is 01:48:56 over fear-mongering of deportation or immigration or whatever their thing is. That's one element of it. More importantly though, the most socially conservative people in America are Muslims. And I agree with you Pat, it potentially could be some political upside for Republicans, but it's not going to be easy. What you just summarized, both sides giving a little bit, I know the conservative base well, there is a lot of skepticism towards... It makes no sense.

Starting point is 01:49:22 I'm not saying it makes rational. I'm saying I'm just telling you the truth of what the base is saying when it comes to it. Let me push the base back. Let me push the base back. Let me push the base back. And push back with me as well because I'm trying to reason here

Starting point is 01:49:35 because it slowly to me on the Republican party, I'm like, these guys are only wanted to talk to people that agree with them. It's like, listen, stop being such a pansy and start kind of like figure out other people on how we can create areas that agree with them. It's like, listen, stop being such a pansy and start figuring out other people and how we can create areas that we agree. Let me make my point. And you can say, yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:50 So for example, for me here, all right. So what's more important to you? Being right, theologically, or you having the other side, gaining the freedom to teach your kids about trans and all this other stuff. What's more important to me? We can have a conversation for debate having the other side, gaining the freedom to teach your kids about trans and all this other stuff. What's more important to me? We can have a conversation for debate and it's purely theological.

Starting point is 01:50:12 Totally fine. We can have that debate and Christians are going to say, well, you know what, I agree with this guy, no, no, I agree with that guy, Muslims are going to say, you have no clue what you're talking about. Fine, there's a time and place for that. We're not talking about that. We're talking about an area where the opposing party is doing evil things and it's making evil behavior seem normal. And I'm not for it. And if I can, in a way, if Geng's used to do this in LA and you have, you know, a TBR or a MS30 Marasavattroo

Starting point is 01:50:45 show or you have blood, grip, you have tuna, you know, you have black diamonds, all these things that you can go with different gangs that they had in LA, okay, even Armenian power, like Listenbrow, we're Armenian. Filipinos had a strong gang, all these guys. But when it comes on to this area, we have to protect against this, I'm doing an event in Glendale. No hotel wants to give us their location. Alex Steeder, who's owned by the city, has 1700 people.

Starting point is 01:51:08 I went to Glendale High School. They said, we know PPD. We follow his content. The city is not allowing Patrick to do his event for parents at Alex Theater. I can't do an event at Alex Theater. Now we're talking a couple different hotels. Every Armenian hall in Glendale and surrounding areas

Starting point is 01:51:24 has said, you have our place for free coming to your event there for parents. Every one of them. We just had a couple different hotels. Every Armenian hall in Glendale and surrounding areas has said, you have our place for free coming to your event there for parents. Every one of them, we just had a Zoom. Okay, we're trying to find a location here. But for me, to sit there and say, yeah, you know, and by the way, while I'm saying this to you, you know who's the first person that reached out to Lexid, you know who reached out to former gangsters

Starting point is 01:51:39 from MS-13 that are not Christians, the vows saying, hey, we'll come and protect making sure and Tifa's not gonna do anything. No one's gonna mess with us, trust me, we're gonna show up, fine. I think we have to kind of figure right away to look at, again, we haven't seen in a long time, Charlie, for a, a, a, society like ours,

Starting point is 01:51:58 you know, it starts off with the founder, who the founders, Benjamin Rush, you know, Washington, all these guys who, they really did the hard job, we're doing the easy job, we ain't doing shit, they had it hard, right? These 56 guys, and then the founders Benjamin Rush, you know, Washington, all these guys who they really did the hard job. We're doing the easy job. We didn't do shit. They had it hard, right? These 56 guys.

Starting point is 01:52:08 And then the founders after those guys shows up barbarians. I'm going to go build the railroad. What are you going to do? Roll, dude, that's what he's talking about. Let me do it. I'm going to do it. Carnegie, Chase, boom, damn. These guys actually pulled it off.

Starting point is 01:52:20 Yes, Flagler. That's some crazy shit industry. Look at, so those are the barbariansians and they're willing to fight to fight. And then you got the builders and the explorer. What if we can do this? Let's go explore this and let's go explore. And then comes the administrator. Well, we need some laws

Starting point is 01:52:33 and we need to create some rules and regulations. Fine, we need law and order. Then shows up the bureaucrats and the aristocrats, which is the shit we're in right now. You know who's a guy that can save that society and the civilization, the synergies? Who's the synergies today in America? I actually want to know who is a synergist.

Starting point is 01:52:49 Everybody is in their own safe tribe, sinner on talking to people that I agree with them. Who is saying, guys, can we do this? You got some shit, I got some shit. You got some shit, let's just freaking talk. Because we keep acting like everybody's perfect, we can't unify the group. What if we pull that off?

Starting point is 01:53:05 So I think if we were to behind closers, I totally understand what you're saying, because I think your following is more Christian, devout, Jesus, Godloven, all of that stuff. And maybe it's a tough message for you to give. Maybe it's a message that a person that's a like an RFK type of a Muslim that can give out a turning point USA next year to follow and you're to kind of give maybe doesn't come from you

Starting point is 01:53:27 and let the audience say, you don't have no clue what you're talking about. I too think that there needs to be a reformation in Islam, I will stand by that. But my politics right now are about, people say, try to motivate you, I wanna win. I want to win, I want to defeat this woke authoritarian machine that is taking over everything.

Starting point is 01:53:47 Everything. You do that by addition. And so if there is a group of people that are growing, having lots of kids and they're being affected by it, then yes. But I mean, Patrick, you know this, in Christianity there's a belief that is not gonna go away,

Starting point is 01:54:00 that the people of Ishmael, right, in Genesis 16, I believe, it's just, it's predicted to be that of toil and disagreement and division and some people have even stronger views on Islam than on that. That is an important theological discussion, happy to have that with other people, but we're talking about politics. And you can't ever do that if you're not in power. And you're going to remain in the minority if you do not capitalize.

Starting point is 01:54:30 I'm in full harmony with you, Patrick. So both can be simultaneously true. Can I ask one? I wouldn't demand a Muslim to adopt everyone of my views. If you know, I don't have to. That's not the point, right? But you don't have to and they don't have to. Neither one of us have to. No, but I just also want to be, I don't have to that's not the point right, but they don't but you don't have to and they don't have to neither one of us have to

Starting point is 01:54:45 No, but I just also want to be I to win. I hope I'm introducing just a little bit of difficulty of this is going to be challenge Oh, brother. I don't specialize in the easy. I specialize in the difficulty and the end. So do you bother? Yes, yes, by the way, just so everybody knows you cannot talk to Kayla and what I said to him behind closed doors. Okay I get a call from another organization where you do podcasts for them and I said, you know what, I would love for Charlie to be here with my team. I'd love to have you here to create, I'd love to sign you. I'm a big fan of you.

Starting point is 01:55:13 And I know you make a lot of money where, you know, you don't need to go to anybody. You're doing very well for yourself. You're crushing it. I think if this bullshit 30 under 30 stuff didn't have anything to do with politics, you would need to be in a top 10 list, if not top five. I think that's how powerful and influential you are.

Starting point is 01:55:29 I think that's how important you are. I think you're an incredible communicator. I think you can reason. I think you're smart. I think you're eloquent. I think you're tough. I think even when assholes are being jerks to your stole gentle with them, respectful with them,

Starting point is 01:55:41 you let them keep the dignity that is not an easy thing to do as a guy. How would you write about it? You know how hard it is to do that at 29. You may not know because to you it's like normal. I've been 29 before and I've been around a lot of killer 20 year olds who are competitive. It's not easy to do to do so. I think you are a very, very important figure in politics and you will be forever. Even last time I talked about, you know, one day running president, all this, every like, snob one, I'm gonna be doing

Starting point is 01:56:08 a king making all this up. But I was so impressed by you, by the way you defended the Sanctus last time. It was so impressive for me. And I gotta tell you, like, I'm like, you know what, freaking, what a manch this guy is. What a freaking good guy that can be a guy that can actually unify this group.

Starting point is 01:56:23 You're not kind of a guy. Every one of my leaders has had you at their events. I don't know who's had you. They're always, and now you're gonna be at the MGM Grand 10,000 plus people, they can't wait to see with, you know, Kabib and all these other guys. But I think the next phase, Charlie, the role we're gonna play, we're gonna play different.

Starting point is 01:56:40 I'm not born here, so I have no interest in being a governor. We're gonna play different world by building one of the biggest media companies in the world and we'll compete. And you're on your way. And we'll have the conversations with everybody. Those who hate us, those who love us, those who are indifferent, those who don't know us. We wanna talk to everybody.

Starting point is 01:56:53 Guys are making a big difference. But I think if there is a guy that can play a role of a synergist with the way he's wired, I think you're one of those guys. I just want you to consider that one, you're thinking about this leaving here today. And we try to do that at turning point. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:57:09 No, and I fully agree. I looked at your date of birth. You're going to be 30 October 14, 1993. Ridiculous. The fact that you're, that you're, is it true? By the way, guess what, guess what sign he is? I know you're not aware.

Starting point is 01:57:20 Where? You're Libra. Libra's balance. Everybody will have those types of, he's the right wiring to be able to be one of the synergists in the next 20 years. I am so looking forward to your evolution. I'm 44 and for the people that knew me at 29

Starting point is 01:57:34 and they tell stories, people don't believe who I was at 29 and who I was at 22 or even 18. This is why I love the fact that my sister is one of the vice presidents in the company doing a great job, Paul and C.M. X. I'veMX sub at Tiemani and the family, everything that we're, because you get to ask those questions, but I think you can play a very big role of a synergist and God knows American needs it right now.

Starting point is 01:57:55 Well, in the spirit of being a synergist, you're going to have a tough job. We all are. And I'll tell you why. Everything you were just talking about with Islam and Christianity and having the conservative or what is even a conservative or a liberal these days, you know, that's why we're And I'll tell you why. Everything you were just talking about with Islam and Christianity and having the conservative, or you could do it. What is even a conservative or a liberal these days? That's why, where am I going with this? This comes down to color.

Starting point is 01:58:13 And not the color of your skin, the color of the jersey that you wear. I said this all the time. I'm not team red, I'm not team blue, I'm on team red, white and blue. And just think about how hard it is when you're on a team to wear another team's jersey. Just think about that for a second. I'm a huge Miami Heat fan. There's no chance I'm wearing a next jersey. This guy's a Lakers fan. There's no chair. Sancies wearing a Saltic jersey. All right. If you're a Cowboys fan, you're not

Starting point is 01:58:37 going to switch over to a giant jersey. If you're a Yankees fan, or maybe even any Yankees on this point, you're not wearing a bow sucks jersey. So that is what you're asking people to do in the Islam community, in the Christian community, in the Jewish community, you're asking me, like liberal conservative to me, I don't even know the, I know people who are quote unquote conservative there, the similar to those liberal sloppy people,

Starting point is 01:59:00 I know, and vice versa. You're asking people to swap jerseys. No, we're not. No, no, no, that's what, yes, in order to switch votes, if someone is wearing a team red jersey, like that's what they wear. And you want them to wear a blue jersey? It's a very challenging job.

Starting point is 01:59:22 I am so about to hire five BIs, business analysts, business intelligence come in here, pull up the top 20 values of a Muslim, of how they raise their family, what they look at, and put it together with percentage of that being Democrat or being Republican or independent, and that argument can be made for Muslims to realize aside from your religion, okay, aside from your religion, you lean more towards a conservative

Starting point is 01:59:54 Republican than a liberal Democrat. That B.I. needs to be explained to the thinkers. Then it needs to be presented to the day-to-day person. And to me, the reason why I said, I don't think it's switching jerseys. I don't think you're switching jerseys. I think you're wearing the jersey of a value that you don't stand for today. This is not John F. Kennedy Democrat. It ain't even Bill Clinton Democrat today.

Starting point is 02:00:15 It's just not. That's right. The Bill Clinton Democrat, dude, I love those guys. Let's talk. And by the way, again, I'm not in Semenica-Lewinsky. I'm talking about Bill Clinton, policy Democrats or John Epkin or the Democrats. Today, this doesn't make any sense, and I think it's going to get exposed very quickly. I've got two other things to do topic-wise, and we'll wrap up and finish it off.

Starting point is 02:00:33 So Biden life expectancy and its implications, okay? Because actually, I'm actually really curious, you know, do you think he's going to be the guy that's going to be running, we're not, let me just read the story to now, go to you. So President Joe Biden's life expectancy is a topic of concern as voters considers potential second term at 80 years. O'Biden's statistical possibilities of living to finish his term is uncertain. As you'd expect, the risk of dying increases

Starting point is 02:00:54 as we age says, Katia, Irvacy of a nerd wallet according to Lervasi, an 80 year old male Biden has a 33%, 31% chance of dying in the next 33% chance of dying in the next five years and a 64.27% chance of dying within the next 10 years. However, Biden's health challenges and the stress of being president raises questions about his ability to complete a second term if Biden were to win a reelection, but not complete his term by President Kamala Harris will become the first female president.

Starting point is 02:01:28 So, is agent issue with you right now? And do you think Dems are starting to realize it? Age with Joe Biden? Yes. Or, yeah, I mean, yes, but I have a contrarian view here. I don't think candidates really matter nearly as much as they used to, as long as the Democrats are the only ones that are investing in meaningful election infrastructure. This is something we're talking a lot about at Turning Point Action at our big action conference. By the way, if you're in Florida

Starting point is 02:01:52 come this weekend, tpaction.com just had to plug that. By the way, Vali Tim is going to have a booth there. You're going to see Penny there. I'm sure you guys are going to be there. Great. Yeah. Tpaction.com. But what is election infrastructure? It's data, voter registration, election integrity, early voting, ballot chasing. I say this kittingly, but not really. They could run Jimmy Carter from hospice and win because they can micro target their voters, run a bunch of ads.

Starting point is 02:02:16 What a point. And John Federman is an evidence of this. So I'm not as interested in the horse race of the who. I'm interested in the how. And the how is the boring but necessary clipboard and tennis shoes type of grassroots work that quite honestly we used to make fun of Barack Obama for.

Starting point is 02:02:31 We call them a Chicago community political organizer but that's what they've now built. And so for just one example, the game has totally changed because of COVID and our reaction to COVID with mass mail and balloting. Georgia used to have 240,000, 247,000 mail and ballots in 2018. You can look up the number.

Starting point is 02:02:46 I really, Georgia had about 2.4 million people vote by mail in the midterms in 2022. That's a 10-fold increase. The whole game has changed that. It went from a Democrat plus eight state, probably a plus eight state, to now a Democrat plus one state. You could look at the actual final numbers there. I don't know. The Joe Biden thing, he can't make coherent sentences, can't do all that. I don't so. I don't know, like the Joe Biden thing,

Starting point is 02:03:05 he can't make coherent sentences, can't do all that. I don't know, I don't know how much it matters. I think right now until we as Republicans achieve parity with the Democrats with the boring stuff of elections, candidates are not gonna matter for quite some time. Got it. I think you had something to say about this

Starting point is 02:03:19 within your space, the whole right. The whole question was Biden's life expectancy, right? This is actually something I know a lot about. This is actually my business. I deal in life insurance and life insurance settlement. Did you take out a policy on him? It's probably too old to take out a policy, but he probably has a policy.

Starting point is 02:03:35 But yeah, so I'm very familiar with how life insurance works and how life policies work, because I buy them off of old people. Understand what I just said. I buy life insurance policies off of old people and Understand what I just said. I buy life insurance policies, off of old people, and I give them money. So does my job to actually understand their life expectancy? More amenities. Literally. It's called the mortality tables. And here's how this works. So I actually did the life expectancy of a couple different scenarios for Biden's health. I ran it at standard health,

Starting point is 02:04:01 I ran it at substandard health, and I ran it at uninsurable health, right? If Biden is considered standard health, right? He'd have 128 month life expectancy, okay? Standard health, that's 10 years. Substandard, table two, table four, right? You're talking 93 to 100 months, okay? If he's completely uninsurable for his age, 500% rating, he'd have a 60 month life expectancy. That's five years.

Starting point is 02:04:25 I wouldn't put him that high. You brought up Jimmy Carter. Yeah. Okay. Jimmy Carter, 98, 99 years old, he's turning this October right around your birthday, by the way. Warren Buffett, 92, Charlie Munger, 99, George Soros, 92. Henry Kissinger, a hundred years old. Couple famous actors, Harrison Ford 81,

Starting point is 02:04:45 same age as Biden. What, you've just seen Indiana Jones. Al Pacino 83, De Niro 79, Pesci 80, Clint Eastwood 93, the list goes on and on. But here's the point, we're talking about Biden and his life expectancy. At some point, once you reach 80 something years old, and you're in okay health, and you you have money and you have the capabilities to survive

Starting point is 02:05:08 Biden's not going anywhere and just like you made the reference like you could run Jimmy Carter at 99 years old That's basically what's gonna happen with Biden? Yeah, and if he if for whatever reason he dies or doesn't run Camila Harris I think it's actually more beatable than Biden, but Gavin Newsom is a far harder candidate than Joe Biden. Totally agree. Fantastic podcast today, Charlie. Thanks for coming out again. Gang.

Starting point is 02:05:29 Can I just plug one thing? Of course. If you guys want to subscribe to our podcast, we'd appreciate it. Thank you, Patrick. Two things. Not only the podcast, put the link to his podcast below and turning into a new essay in interrupt. No, 100%.

Starting point is 02:05:40 I was going to say that. So if you're local or you're not far from get on a flight, go to a turning point USA event. They got an incredible lineup of speakers speaking at this event. People that talk are just in a re-utate, he's going to be there. Oh, yeah. President's going to be there. A lot of people are going to be there. It's going to be a great opportunity to meet these folks there and put the podcasts there aside from that Charlie. Thanks for coming. Maybe next time you know what we haven't done yet. Maybe next time we do a lie with a couple hundred people in attendance. We'll do it and don't done yet. Maybe next time we do a lie with a couple hundred people.

Starting point is 02:06:05 And attendance, we'll do it and don't. So people can ask questions as well. Oh yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Take care everybody. Bye bye.

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