PBD Podcast - Chazz Palminteri | PBD Podcast | EP 88

Episode Date: September 17, 2021

In Episode 88 of the PBD Podcast, Patrick Bet-David sits down with Adam Sosnick, Gerard Michaels, and special guest Chazz Palminteri to talk about topics such as Chazz's Movie "A Bronx Tail", Lessons from the movie, why he joined Mafia States Of America, and much more! Watch the full podcast: https://youtu.be/bVt_nHbGOjI --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I'm wearing a light. He says my girlfriend says Danny also says, Hey, he's making progress. I said, tell your girlfriend You're whooping my ass every time I leave I cry like a little baby. That's like it is anyways today We have a special guest with us the one and only Chas Paul, Menteri aka sunny chas. Thank you for joining us on the podcast It's great to have you I was I tweeted tweeted something out last night if we were talking about it. Sometimes the best podcast or the ones not recorded. Last podcast was insane. At Casa de Angelo, we had a good time but you know everybody was asking questions. I know there's a lot of things that we want to cover, you know, of course. One of the best things yesterday when I was talking about trainer this morning, when he told the story about

both Michael Jordan and magic Johnson saying their favorite movie of all time is Bronx tale. Yes, right. So it's Jason kid Jason kid Well, we have to put him there because he's a head coach. Yeah, right. He was a decent point guard. Yeah, Rizzo from the Yankees favorite movie Wow, oh, I can go on it on a lot of keep going No, just but you gotta realize the movie, I don't think people really realize, like this morning I'm talking to the trainer, and he says, how you feeling? I said, good, I said, today we got a special podcast.

He says, who's on us? We had dinner with Chad's last night. He says, Chad's here. That's a Chad's parliamentarian. He says, Chad's, I say, yeah, Chad's. From Bronx, he said, yeah. He says, one of my favorite movies of all time. I said, do you know that's his story?

And he's like, no. I said, that's a story. So, chance, if you don't mind, maybe share with us and the audience your story and how it led to you writing Bronx Tale. Okay. All right. I'll try to condense it. Sure. What happened was I was in LA. I was, and I, first I was in New York, obviously. I'm in New York. I was an actor. And then I said, you know what? I'm going to in LA. I was, and first I was in New York, obviously. I'm in New York, I was an actor. And then I said, you know what, I'm gonna try LA. So I went out to LA. I saved some money.

Maybe four, five grand. I said, all right, you know, maybe it'll get me started. You know, and I started like, so as soon as I got there, bam, I got on Hill Street Blues, bam, I got on Dallas, bam, I got on Madlock. I was like, guess starring. I was like, oh right, man. What year is this? What year is this? This is

86. Got it. Okay. 86. 87. The sacking things easy. So you're late 20s, early 30s? The 30s, the 30s, the 30s, the 30s. So I said, man, this is, you know, I mean, I was doing okay in New York, but theater. I wasn't doing it much film, you know. So I said, well, and then all of a sudden I started, if you do the guest star roles, you know, you start running out of places, you go back to, they can't bring you right back. So I started running out of money again. And I said, oh man, wow, look at this, you know, after about a year, I started running out of money. And I said, well, I got to go back to what I do. And that was, I was a doorman bounce. That's what I did in New York. You know, so I said all right.

Something you and Gerard haven't come. Gerard have that. You know, so I got into a club, a real swanky club in Beverly Hills called 2020. It was in the Beverly Center I remember. And I'm working there one day and I'm working there for about a couple of months and the guys really nice, they let me go on auditions. The guy loved me and I was, and I'm a really good doorman about it. I can really handle myself, but I don't.

I always get out with my mouth because I'm really funny and I can talk. You know also when I'm messed up, you're pretty face. No, exactly. I don't want to do it. So all of a sudden one night, there's three rules to a doorman. I'm sure, you know, my man over here, Gerard, but no, there's three main rules about it. What are these rules?

Here's here are the rules. You've seen Roadhouse, you've seen it. You never say the word, do you know who I am? Never. Because you say that to a door, man. Immediately, he knows who you are. You're an asshole. You're saying if you're the customer, walking in.

Yeah, you're a customer. Yeah, okay. And you give him a little bit of a shake. Could you hold on for a second? He goes, excuse me, do you know who I am? No. That is like, if I have to guess who you are, then you're not really somebody.

And I usually, always my standard answer was, yes, you're the guy who's not getting in tonight. That's who you are. And that would really, so this guy got really pissed. And the second rule is, you never touch the rope. Never touch the rope. You grab the rope, you're not getting in. Of course. And the third rule is, you never get into the door man's face like close. So this guy,

he comes over and goes, let me and I have to get in, this is my party. And I just looked at him, you know, this little short guy bald with these big glasses. And I said, excuse me, just relax. He grabs the rope, gets in my face and goes, do you know who I am? And three seconds, he broke all three rules of the sky. Okay? And I said, you're the guy who's not getting internet. I just like that. And he goes, you will be fired in 15 minutes.

I said, really? Yeah, get online, everybody says that. And who was the guy? Swiftilizar. Now, for those of you who don't know Swiftilizar is, Swiftilizar was the biggest agent in the world. The biggest represented, you know, Elizabeth Taylor, everybody, the biggest agent in the world. Guy pulled this gentleman up, Swiftie Lazarus.

You see, shud guy ball big glasses. And I just told him that he's not getting into his own party. Get out of here. His own party. His own party. This is Swiftie Lazarus. What a freaking character. That's what you're looking at. He looks like a junior soprano.

Exactly, a junior soprano. Exactly. Those glasses. In fact, if you want sopranos, you would get the reference. And sure and in shit, I get fired in 15 minutes. Looks like the six legs guy. I get in my car.

I get in my 1970, you know, I was broke, I had it 90. Oh, so you got fired, I got fired. Oh yeah, just like you said, 15 minutes, God. He broke all the rules and you got fired. I came over to me, the only, felt so bad, he goes, Chaz, I got a little sugar on me. And this guy has parties, three or four parties here a year.

I got a mortgage. I got a little sugar on me. He goes, but I love you, man. I said, hey man, you've been good to me. You always let me audition, no worry, but I left. I get in my junk car and I drove back to my little dumpy apartment in North Hollywood and I said, what am I going to do? I said, I'm running out of money again.

I'm in my late 30s. I said, well, you know what? I look up and I see my father's car. Say the same thing in life as waste of talent. There it is, that's it, right there. Something that I'm very familiar with. And I see that card, I just happy to look at it. And I said, because I always brought it with me.

And I said, you know what? Your father's card? My father wrote on a card, the saddest thing in life is wasted talent. This was your father's catchphrase? Well, your father was a bus driver? My father was a bus driver. So everything from the Bronx town,

the Neuros part, the bus driver. Yeah, it's all like that. My father Lorenzo, yeah. Yeah, exactly. For people that don't know, Chad, what's your, the bus travel. It's all like that. It's all out of the Lorenzo, yeah. Exactly. For people that don't know Chaz, what's your real name? My real name is Collodio. See, my name is Collodio, Lorenzo Palmentari. My friends call me see, my guys that I grew up in.

So anyway, let me explain to you what happened. So I'm sitting there, so I said, you know what? If they won't give me a part, because I want to do film movies, it's very difficult to get into movies. I had Broadway credits, they don't give a shit over there in the Hollywood. So I said, you know what? If they won't give me a great part, then I'll write one myself. I went to Thrifty

Drugs, though. I got five tabs of yellow paper. I sat down. I said, what am I going to write? I always remember this killing that I saw when I was nine years old. I was sitting on a stoop. I thought they were fighting over a pocket space. Yeah. Baseball bad guy was exactly the mood. Exactly. Exactly. Wow. And all of a sudden I remember he killed them and then he stared at me and I stared at him in the next minute. My father grabbed me by my arm and dragged me up steps. And I remember that whole scene. So I wrote that just that one bit. And I did it from my theater workshop on Monday. And then everybody was like, wow. Yeah. You know. So I wrote that, just that one bit, and I did it from my theater workshop on Monday.

And then everybody was like, wow, you know, so I said, oh, wait a minute, this is really good. So each week I would write more and more. And each week on Monday I would go back and perform it at my theater workshop. And every time I would keep two minutes, three minutes, four minutes, I kept workshopping it. You know what I mean? You edited it. You know what I mean? You edited, edited.

I would tape everything with a disc, you know, because I'd play it and I would tape it, then go back and look at it, perform it for them, perform it. After about a year of doing that, I had 90 minutes of this show that was tight as a drug. Your own proof of concept, done. Yeah, it was done because I performed it. I sure would work, didn't work. That's the key. I was able to develop it. The fact calls it testing, tuning, testing.

But it's actually right. You have to test it. If you really want to be sure. So what I did was I said, okay, now here we go. Now, how do I do this? I said, well, I got, how do I get the money? I need money to produce it. I call my friend who I worked, who I was his bodyguard in New York.

Not a legit guy. Pedigation, his name was. And he owned the clubs. And a legit guy, he owned the limelight in New York. Anyway, I told him about it. He says, you know what? He says, I always, I saw you in a play. You got a lot of talent.

He goes, let me think about it. I thought he blew me off. The next day I get a knock on a door, he opened a door. FedEx gives me a check for like, I think it was 40 grand. He kidded me. Yeah, just like that. He just sent me 40 grand. And I call him up.

I said, you didn't even know what I have. You didn't read it. He goes, no, no, no, I saw you. You got talent. He go, that's it. That's it. I said, okay, I took the 40 grand. I got a little theater. I hide a little producer. Boba Mover got a box office. I put up the show and

bam. People were coming from all over Hollywood to see this. People when you got to see this, it got so crazy that I had a move into the big theater. Oh, this was a one man show before it was a movie. Yes, it was a one. I did all the characters. Hold on. What I said was, I said, I'm gonna do a one-man show, I'm gonna do a movie on stage, like by myself. So I did it.

You played the little kids scene, I played everybody. I was told it was a film adaptation. Yes, that's insane. You didn't know that? No, that's crazy. Why are you my hero? What are you doing, dude? You're my hero. I'm out of it. I'm out of it. I wrote the script. That's insane you didn't know that no, that's crazy

I Option the script I thought it was a traditional I am so Somebody try to somebody cut him a chick for like a million bucks Let me walk away will you more? So what happens people were seen to say go my god they go this is a movie the man is doing a movie on stage It's brilliant. Oh, they said all these great things. This is what you're late 80s. This is 1989. Okay So then we wanted to just all of a sudden I'm doing the now here where I was I was a nobody right all of a sudden A Jerry wine tribe race star Tom Pollock all these people Al Pacino Jack Nicholson,

Bert Reynolds, we're all coming to see the show. They want to play Sonny, and these other guys want the property. Hollywood A-Listers extraordinaire. No, extraordinaire. Extraordinaire, A-Listers. Wow. After I do it, two weeks later, I get a phone call from Universal. They said, we love it, we were there, forget it. This is great,

we want to give you $250,000 for the property. And I said, I said, oh wow, I got no money now. I got 200 bucks in a bank. I said, well, what about, what about, what about, you know, I'm going to play sunny, right? I'm going to write it. It's my life. They said, no, no, no, we just want the property. I said, well, no, no, no, no, I said, I'm going to write it, it's my life. They said, no, no, no, no, we just want the property. I said, well, no, no, no, I said, I have to play sunny. There's someone we can't do that. I said, well, I won't do it. Then they said, forget to check then. I said, okay.

They said, I'm saying 200 bucks in your pocket. They offered me the same. To say no to a quarter million. No, but what? In 1989, you got to see where this goes next though. On my hand to God, I'm telling you exactly what happened. I do it three weeks later, they call back, 500,000. But no you.

No me, no. I said, look, I can't do this. I'm sorry, I have to play sunny, I got to do the screenplay. Again, they said no. So I said, forget it. So now, ICM, William Mars and CIA are all chasing me. They want me, right? And all of a sudden I said, well, I started meeting with everybody with all three of them.

So to tell you how crazy this was, guys, how insane what happened was my car had a little hole in the radiator, so leak, it would leak. So if I forgot to put water in, it would overheat. So the morning I'm meeting with William Mars, it was about the third or fourth meeting, it overheated and I said, oh, look at this. So I called them up, I said, hey man, I can't be there today. What's the matter?

Why? Did you sign with somebody else? I said, no, no. My car had overheated. You have trouble with your car. I go, yes. Say right there. We'll call you right back.

Just don't move. I said, what? So I hang up the phone. I go, yes. Say right there, we'll call you right back. Just don't move. I said, what? So I hang up the phone, I said, what was that about, right? Well, it was Sunday, one hour later, not gonna do it. I go up it up the door, this is a skydive. It's got like a uniform on me, it goes, you're a transplanted area, I go, yeah, it goes, come with me.

I go, who are you? It goes, I have something for you. I go down in my parking lot, you know, there's all these beat up cars because rural act is living in this dump, right? I see a brand new 1989 Cadillac Eldorado Black with Saddle Interior. He gives me the keys. He goes, here, William Mars got this for you.

He goes, they said, don't be late for your audition, or for your meeting. I said, what? Second prize, set of steak time. So I called them up. I said, hey, man, what, what are you doing? They said, no, no, no, we don't want you to be, we don't want you. You shouldn't be driving around. You're going to get it. Yeah, accident. But I said, but I didn't sign with you guys yet. They said, that's okay. We leased it for two years for you. If you wanna sign with us, you sign with us. If you don't, don't.

Good for them. Good for them. Wow, what an approach. Right, what an approach. Yeah. PS, I ended up signing with that. Yeah, exactly. Because I mean, they just wanted me so bad.

I mean, I knew. What an approach. Right, so would you have signed with them without the car, were you in between those three options? But they had such wanting me so bad that you could, you felt wanted. You felt, yeah, I mean, look, CAA did, and ICM did too, they met, but it was more of a meeting,

look, we like the property, we, this was like, you got to be here, we will do, and you know, so you do it. By the way, these are the stories you don't hear about being closed doors on how to sell. You gotta give respectful ol' you morse for doing what they did. That's very creative.

That was creative. Yeah, very creative. This is why you're always treating your top guys so good like this. But I love this stuff. Yeah. This is stuff you don't see. This is stuff that people tell the story 30 years later.

Dude, for people that have never been like, in on auditions or been a struggling actor or been talented and it just hasn't been a right role for you. It could, you could be very, very talented and it's just not in the right place, not with the right representation. Right. The entertainment industry is so unforgiving, man. How, you're in your mid-30s, you're broken radiator broke, dude.

Right. How do LU turn down a half million dollars? Where's that will power come from? know what I don't know people ask me that question and I was just so driven I'm a very driven guy I'm very stubborn I'm 100% Sicilian and I'm just like hey this is my shot and people go and you show you 100% percent well I don't know I got I got to do another DNA test with that good run back. I got to dinner last night.

It's a good call back. Yeah, that was very good. So you're saying you're stubborn? Yeah, 100% Sicilian. Yeah, so what happened was, now I get away in March and they say, we're going to set up this big meeting for you. We got to be right. I meet with another studio.

So the guy has a piece of paper like this. I'm sitting down, there's 12 people around this big table. My agent, I'm one on the left, one on the right. The guy's talking to me, goes, Chaz, we all came to see the show. We know everybody wants to do it. He goes, I have this piece of paper. He goes like this. Slides it over to me, just like that.

He says, if you sign that paper, you'll have a check tomorrow for $1 million. And I said to him, Patrick, I looked at him and I went, is there a bathroom here? And he said, yeah, there's the executive bathroom right over there. I said, excuse me. I just get up and I walk into the bathroom. I go into the bathroom and I'm just walking around the bathroom. And I'm saying $1 million. I could help my parents. I could, this is it, right? And also, and I put my hand in my pocket. And for some reason, that morning, I took the card with me. I don't know why.

But the card was the saddest thing in life was ways to tell it. I look at it, and I go, I look at the mirror, and I go, fuck it. And I work back out. And I sit down, and I go, fuck it. And I walk back out. And I sit down and I said, oh, well, I'll sign that paper. And the old like, you can see that we're getting really giddy. And I said, but I play sunny and I write the screenplay.

And the head's one like this. And I said, well, he's just chas, I'm sorry, we can't do that. And I said, OK, I stood up.as, I'm sorry we can't do that. And I said, okay, I stood up and went, you stand, and when you stand up at a meeting, it's over. Stan, that's right, you stand up, the meeting's over. And my agent said, it's like this, look at him, he's like, this keeps, it's like, it's got me a hundred grand.

This guy's a hundred grand. So they got up with me and I said, I'm sorry, and I'm walking out and he goes, hey, go, let me tell you some chas, So they got up with me and I said I'm sorry and I'm walking out and he goes hey goes let me tell you some chas you realize this movie will never get made just like that to me and I said yeah it won't get made with you and he goes what makes you so sure I said because it's just too fucking good that's why and he said I wish you well I said I wish you well. I said, I wish you well. And I walked out. And all of a sudden, two weeks later, I'm doing the show, crowds.

I mean, everybody's, I mean, it was, you couldn't get a ticket for months. It was crazy. I'm doing the show. And then I get off the stage and then stage manager runs over and he says, Chaz, Robert De Nero isn't your dressing room. He's snuck in there after the show. He's waiting for you. I go, Robert De Nero's in the addressing movie. He's snuck in there after the show. He's waiting for you. I go, Robert De Nero. I said, Robert De Nero? Robert De Nero. He goes, yeah.

So I walk in my dressing room and there's Bob sitting there. He's sitting there. He goes, that's the greatest one man's show I ever saw. I said, well, thanks, Bob. He goes, you did a movie. That's a movie. And I went, yeah. And he went, he goes, let me talk to you about what I want to do.

And I just looked at him and I said, okay. He goes, look, if you end up selling this thing, they're gonna come to me anyway. He goes, but, you know, he had a nice approach to me. But I wasn't gonna sell it. Wait, wait, wait. He says, if they end up selling, they're gonna come to me, pop anyway.

They're gonna give me the job. Yeah, he goes, if you sell this thing. Yeah. To a studio, they're gonna come to me, pop, anyway. They're gonna give me the job. Yeah, he goes, if you sell this thing, to a studio, they're gonna come to me. So he goes, but I'm gonna tell you something right now, he goes, I know what you want. He goes, I think you'll be great as something. And I think you should write the screenplay because it's your life.

He's an actor, he knows. He knows. He goes, it'll be honest, and nobody else sanitized. He knows. He goes, it'll be real. He goes, I'll direct it and I'll play your phone. No shit. He goes and we'll be together and nobody will touch it.

And he went and he went like that. And he was, if you shake my hands, that's the way it'll be. I shook his hand and that's what happened. And off to Nero came in and I thought you're making all the big bad man's. Yeah, exactly. And I ended up getting more than the million and played Sonny and wrote this ring. And not only that, you did so good in that role on usual suspects. Right.

Well, that is my whole career was right. That was my whole career. Talk about that. Yeah, you got to realize that there's so many lessons in the movie Bronx tale. There are so it's not like one or two or three. It's nonstop and sometimes when you make a movie and you try too hard to put the message in the movie, you lose the entertainment battery. Absolutely.

But you got both of that. You got the story and the lessons. Now, why did you want to play Sonny? Why don't you want to play your dad? But I knew because Sonny I knew was the flesh he putt and I knew I didn't want to play your dad? But I knew, because Sonny I knew was the flashy part. And I knew, I didn't want to play my dad. I just, Sonny was the character that I love. Because he was so...

Sonny was a strange guy. He was really a rough, he was very tall. Like, you know, he was very handsome. He was a fighter. Who was Sonny in real life? Come on, you know I can't answer that question. People asked me not to call the time. You know, I mean, he got wack.

He got, you know, anyway. He was a real guy. He was a real guy. Okay, got it. And Sonny was based. Miami don't know the rules, man. Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry.

You're right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Yeah, okay. So, what did he do for a living? I mean, really. I mean, come on.

So, was he a wise guy? I mean, come on, stop it. Keep going, keep going. Did you speak it to his microphone? So anyway, you know, he, where was I? So we did it and it just, it just exploded, man. I mean, you know, Bronx Taylor's taught in schools, Bronx Taylor's taught in colleges.

Of there's a book called The Moral Intelligence of Children by Robert Cole that he dedicated a whole chapter to Bronx Taylor on the education of children. I mean, did I know this? When I just read these things, I go, man, I didn't know I was that smart. You know, all I did was write a story, but it was lightning in a bottle,

just like Patrick said. And it was lightning in a bottle, just like Patrick said. And it's lightning in a bottle. It goes so far beyond your normal mob genre. I mean, how many guys before there was a, you know, your electric starter in the car? How many people wanted to see if the girl would open the door? Oh no, I'm telling you, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, when you're at dinner, they're very respectful. And sometimes people approach you and they're, you know, they're qualified assholes, which, yeah, very rare. Very short. So you tell the story, like literally he's telling the story.

And our later guy walks up to the, uh, to, there's a background. Someone's audio is up. So lower your audio, because we can hear it. Okay. So guy walks up to the guy walks up to the, what walks up to the, what do you call it, table? Right. And he says, I know you, he looks at me, he says,

you're my neighbor. See, as I'm trying to figure out, so what's that guy's name? So, he gets to number, he says, I said, okay, cool. I said, good to meet you. He says, you and I have the, I said, that's right, you have the show. The guy has two beautiful cars, by the way.

Nice guy, we're having a conversation. And I asked that nice question that you appreciate it a lot. And then I say, you obviously know, I said, where are you from you from is this New York? I said, but where are you from? I said New York. I said no, where's your family from new you? I said, where is your family from? He says Italian. I say you know who this is of course. I know who this is and then what does he say? He says he read for the part of collodial read for the part of Collodial and got and got through three different auditions was doing it for six weeks That's pretty sick.

And then he says, oh yeah, yeah, March 16th, we're coming to the showroom for a lot of the brow. We bought 16, whatever it was. We bought 16 tickets. We never miss it when Chas comes here. And he just went talking about you, right? Last night about what it was. So that story affected a lot of people to know that, you know, the lessons that, but one

of the things I want to ask about the lessons in there was the following is you're walking down with the younger version of you and Sonny is walking out with the younger version of you and says, so, hey, you know, there's only three things you do in jail. What are that? I think it's you fight, you gamble, you play, you play cards, you get trouble, you get trouble. And he says, what did you do? He says, I read. And he says, what did you read? You said, Macaveli. And he says, what's Macaveli? He says, Macaveli was somebody, you know,

and you give the history of it. And then he says, so what did you learn? You said availability. And he said, what do you mean availability? He said, I can live anywhere. Why do I live here? Can you unpack the concept of availability? I mean, it was brief, but I'm curious to know about it more than you. Yeah. What have was the wise guys, especially Sonny, he read Machiavelli in jail, but not just him. Why is guys have read short? It's mandatory. It's mandatory, right? So, and when he explained it to me, I was like, and I didn't read it back. I read a little bit back then, but when I started researching it, when I was writing the

thing, what I did was I took the Machiavelli principle and I made it into a street language. So what I did was, where he goes availability. I was saying, well, this is actually right from the play. I said availability goes, yeah, availability. He goes, I can live anywhere I want to live. Why don't you think I live here? He goes availability. He goes, he goes, he goes? It goes availability. He goes,

he goes, he goes, you see me, he goes, I'm trying to take how he's there. He goes availability. He goes, because the people that's, he goes, he goes, a boss always has to be available. What a freaking alive. Always. He goes, because the people that see me here every day that are on my side, they feel safe. They feel safe. Do you realize how powerful this is? And it's saying that they feel safe because they know I love them,

but the people that want to do otherwise, dating twice, because they fear me. So, the people that want to hurt them, that when he's around there, shifters. I mean, what I did was I took it and I put it into street terms. And then in that scene, Craig me from wrong, see, ask back, well, is it better to be loved?

Is it better to be loved though? Fear. Exactly. And that's he, that's that question. And this is a very big topic on this movie. He goes, is it better to be loved though? Fear. And he said, that's a good question.

He goes, when he says to him, he goes, he goes, that's a better to be loved or feared. And he said, that's a good question. He goes, when he says to me, he goes, he goes, that's a good question. He goes, he goes, and my world is better to be feared. Because trouble is like a cancer. When it's small like this, it's easy to cut out and get rid of. But when you're not around to see the trouble, it gets bigger and bigger and bigger,

and then it eats the whole. You know, he's playing the trick is not to be hated. Not because that's right. Then he goes, the trick is not to be hated. He goes, that's why I treat my men well, but not too well. I give them too much then they become independent from me. I give them just enough where they need me,

but they don't hate me. Yeah, awesome. I mean, it's, I gotta tell you some of the time. This is the first movie the first movie in my life We're back in the day with VHS my father actually woke me up from sleep and say come on. You got to come see this And he dragged me out. We had just moved out of Brooklyn. We were in Jersey and he played the scene about you know The working man the worker man is a sucker a whole powerful scene with the hero But also he swears to God to this day my father was a Brooklyn Marin and a and a sucker, a whole powerful scene with the hero. But also, he swears to God to this day. My father was a Brooklyn Marin and a Garrett and Beach Husky.

And he swears to God from this day that that scene with the bikers comes from the Garrett and Beach, what they both do. Let me tell you something. You hear that? When I hear that, I hear that 20 times a year. This came from one eight nine street. This came from Queens, yeah, I know that story and I go no it didn't

No, maybe your thing happened there, but no this happened here. I was sitting at the bar. This happened You know, so everybody says that yeah, everybody says that. Oh, Sonny in that scene that Pat references with the Machiavelli scene and everything like that Prior to that like literally the minute before that Your dad Robert Nero dropped son drop sunny drop see off on the bus He sees your crosses street and he sees Louis dumps across the street. Where's my $20? Right and you say well you this your friend you like this guy? No, he says no He's exactly and he says forget the 20. Yeah, and I'm like what he goes look at it this way

Because you $20 to get rid of your money. He's never gonna body you again, he's never gonna ask you for money again, he's not your life for 20 dollars, freaking it out. Exactly. He says, you got off cheap. You got off cheap. We were talking about this last night about having to pay

for situations where things go get ugly and it's like, you know, in this case, 20 bucks you got off cheap, maybe 50 grand you get off cheap, right? You know, 100 grand, the store you told, you could have got off cheap. Maybe 50 grand, you get off cheap. Right. You know, 100 grand, the story you told, you could have got off cheap. What's the money less than a debt? It's just, you cut your losses, basically. You cut your losses and you know what?

He's no, he can't ask you for money again. Ever. You got to be Machiavellian these guys. Look, I knew my friends. I knew my friends. I was doing all this in Hollywood. Just a funny story. I'm doing all this in Hollywood, right? I knew my friends were I was doing all this in Hollywood, just a funny story. I'm doing all this in Hollywood, right?

I knew my friends were gonna ask me for money because it was gonna be in the newspapers. It was gonna be- When you got the mail, oh I got more than a million. What they offered you money when you had a broken radiator, that's the other side of it. So I called my friends up before all this hit big. And I went, you know, I'm doing okay,

but I need, listen to me, is it possible you feel any 10 grand now? I knew they was you know up No way they could give me 10 grand or marry guys. Yeah, the chas I can't I got kids I totally understand I don't worry about it. You know, I'm just a little desperate right now call all five of them seven of them up Wow, and they asked him for money boom Sure, I got to check So what's that they call me up and I said hey yeah, I can garage like I said hey, yeah, roll worked out I didn't need the 10 grand That's awesome there's a guy I won't I won't tell you who it is But there's the only thing I've ever heard that even remotely comes close to that there's a guy, I won't tell you who it is, but the only thing I've ever heard

that even remotely comes close to that. There's a guy I played ball with. He's a sick. He had been divorced twice and was about to get divorced for the third time. So he was a veteran, okay? So he calls every single divorce lawyer in the state so that when he files for divorce, his wife at the time

cannot get a divorce lawyer. Oh, because he's he's already entered into it's a conversation. Yes, it's a lot of the tutorial. So he literally took two days of his life and called a thousand attorneys. Better. Because this was his third time. I was like, bro, you really wanted that.

Well, he's an experienced abortion. Yeah, this is your third one. But one of those guys could even they couldn't ask you because they already had one guy did but What are you gonna give me the 10 grand last you now you need it? Yeah, I said no, you want money now when I issue you He goes, oh come on, I said no, I can't do it man. I can't afford it chest. That's awesome chest. Dude, you've been for a second.

I still can't get over the fact you're in your 30s, you're struggling actor man And you're out there there you're bottom dollar. Somebody wants to buy a script, they want to auction your script at that end and all that self is a dream. Half a million dollars, no. No. You understand that that's like hitting on 20, right?

Like you're showing two kings in your hit, man. There's only happened three times in the history of Hollywood. Happened three times, it happened with Sly Sloan. Rocky. Rocky happened with me, obviously Bronx Steel, and it happened again with Big Fat Greek wedding. So it happened three times, it happened with Slice Loam. Rocky. Rocky happened with me, obviously Bronx Steel, and it happened again with Big Fat Greek wedding. So it happened three times, that's it. Now what?

With a person wrote the one person's show and actually it was in it and it was in the movie. Three times, that happened. I'm sure it happened a few more times and it didn't end up well though. No, no, it got this level. Yeah, it's a level. It's a level.

Yeah, this level. Success, success. Success. And then you turn it into, you've been on some of the most insane ensembles in the history of film. I mean, unusual, how did unusual suspects come about? No, they just called me up and they said, well, they want to offer you the role. And I was like, really excited about that. You know, you saw Bronx Tale. You said, you'll be great as that. And I said, great. You know, okay, and what was your character's name? It was the police agent agent cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was interesting. I was in a room would Kevin

I was doing another movie Jade Was it Jade? Yeah Jade right after that. So what they did was they put me in a room with Kevin Spacey for 10 days And we did the we did all our scenes and then I left and then they started the movie Okay, let's the final scene where you dropped a cup of coffee. Oh, spoiler-less. I'm not gonna say no. If you haven't seen your saucepes at this point, I think you're gonna.

You dropped an Orca fat and everything that's going on, I was in a barber shop quartet in the music and verbal Kent is walking and he's doing his thing Top five scene of all time. Yeah, I mean seriously say it's one of the top and you get the all the you've heard I get all the fields yeah, it gives you all By the way, this this the great thing. I like when I see movies like that I like to bring friends over who I've never seen it because I just want to watch their Yes, I want to see because I remember my reaction the first time when I saw that scene. I watched that scene this morning just to, I get sick.

Teardown still. I mean, Benicio, the Toro Kevin Spacey, the whole line. I mean, yes. But if you guys have not seen Usual Sauce Box, you've got to watch the whole thing. Yeah, that's a great movie. Kai Zosel is it. Kai Zosel is it. And the final scene is so ridiculous.

That's a great script. Look at what the Academy Award, the director, Brian Singo's brilliant, the music was brilliant, the actors, it was one of those things. Everything just came together, man. Kevin Pollock. Kevin Pollock.

People don't know that he's actually a funny guy. It's a very funny guy. He's a very funny guy. Yeah, very funny. That's what we're talking about with. Exactly. What's his name? Kevin Pollock.

Let me ask you, because great line in entourage is, it's not the movies you do that bomb that kill you, it's the movies that you pass up on. And I'm a big Will Smith fan. He was telling a story. You're huge on TikTok. You're getting massive on TikTok. Will Smith was telling a story about how he turned down the role of Neo. For people that don't know, and the Matrix, the Matrix is rebooting and it's coming back

out. Oh really? The role of Neo was written for Will Smith and the Wachowski brothers at the Matrix, the Matrix is rebooting, it's coming back out. Oh, really? The role of Neo was written for Will Smith, and the Wachoski brothers at the time, they pitched him this movie about, and he was like, so wait, I'm like, Ninja Jesus, I don't get it, like this doesn't make any sense. And he's like, it came down to,

he wanted to do a song for the movie. And we're like, it's not really that kind of movie. It's Santa Wild West. So he literally turned down the Matrix to do the Wild Wild West. Oh wow. If you thought the Wild Wild West, he thought Matrix is going to be too esoteric. Nobody was going to get it. The Wild Wild West is going to be a franchise.

I'm going to do five movies. I'm going to get albums. So he sits there and he's telling this story. He's sitting there and he's like, man, that was dumb. Like, God, man. Sometimes you miss. I was going to want to have you ever been offered, ah, god, man. Sometimes you miss. I was going to want to, have you ever been offered a role

that went on to become a banger? Oh, you were like, ah, no, no, thank you. Well, one role I was offered, and I don't feel bad about it because the right guy did it. And I couldn't have done it at the time. At that time, I couldn't have done it. I got to offer Tony Suprown, in the Suprown. Whoa!

And I don't feel, no, in fact, I mean that sincerely. I don't feel bad about it at all. Because James, who I know was so brilliant, and so wonderful, and such a good person, and I couldn't have done it at that time. I couldn't have done it. So I just couldn't do it at the time, but I read it and I did love the pilot, but I just couldn't do it at the time, but I read it and I did love the pilot, but I just couldn't do it.

So I couldn't do it, so maybe I shouldn't say I turned it down, I did get off of it, but the second one that I still bugs me. Till this day it bugs me because I love the movie so much, and that was Donnie Brasco, And that was the role of Sunny Black. Which, you know, Sunny Black. No, no, Sunny Black. The story of Joe Piston. Is that Michael Matt? Yeah, Michael Matt. Yeah, Michael Matt. That's the part.

Michael was great. He killed that thing. He killed it. But I was all fitted first at the time. But he killed it. And I was directing something at the time. And I, but I could have worked it out if I just would have did it.

And I want to do it. And it's one of my favorite movies of all time.. And it's one of my favorite movies of all time. Wow, it's one of my favorite movies of all time. One of my favorite movies. And I think it's one of Owls greatest before. Johnny Debb. Yeah, Johnny Debb. And I'm so upset that I turned it on

because I love the movie so much. It's such a brilliant movie. I think you would have been monstrous in that role. So when you see these roles that these guys absolutely kill, Michael Mattson and that part, James Gandalfini, do you feel happy for them? Is there like, okay. My career has been great, man.

Of course. You know, Gando Fini, I mean, I conic in that role as well. Sometimes it just works out, you know. It's sometimes the right person ends up doing it. And they were the right people, so that's fine. You know, be grateful, man. You know, life has been good for me.

Life has been a matter with you. It's not like serious. Just smack me in the head right now. You know, I'm not that a matter with you, bud. You gotta be has been good for me. Life has been a matter with you. Just smack me in the head right now. You know how they're a matter with you, bud. You gotta be great. I'm so grateful, you know, I'm playing with house money, man. I mean, come on. How do you find that gratitude right there when I guess like how Gerard has said, you're in your late 30s, you got 200 bucks in your pocket. Do you think you would still be as grateful? Like we talked about last night, as well health as well let's say this

the Bronx tell was never made let's say you were never this big time a list Hollywood actor and you're just where this right you know one man show guy think got going on I can't think of that because I knew that would not happen you had that much conviction is a tourist what are you talking about he's not gonna yeah I knew listen I'm, I was 38 years old. I turned down a million dollars with $200 in the bank. That's insane. I was insane.

I said, look, I'm doing this, I'm not saying. What is that emotion that says, I don't give a shit about the million. I'm doing this. And you know what? And people ask me, they say, how hard, I said, you know what the hardest waffle was to turn down was the 250 I bet the first one the first one you had it 200 bucks the no the 250,000 yeah you have to

box money yeah but that was the hardest one because that came out of no way and I was right whoa yeah this is actually what I can this is real or like oh my God right but after 250 once you turned down 250 it became just numbers to me it's a mean anything when did you know you belong in that world like when you're when you're sitting there in and and Bob is The Neuros talking to you when did you know like listen? I'm I can compete in this world from day one man or from day one What what gave you that confidence my mother and father? Okay? Got it. I'm gonna tell you my mother father who always told me you're gonna be a star. My mother and father. Okay. I'm going to tell you, my mother and father, who always told me you're going to be a star.

And my father looked the saddest thing in life as well as the town. That's my two sisters very successful. One lives right in Buckebethon. Beautiful big place, very successful in my sister. And my other sister too, both of them, questioning the confidence. This is my mother and father.

When I was broke in living in New York, working in plays, right? My parents lived on top and I lived in the apartment underneath when I was with them. So I would write on a card, I'm in my 20s now, I did that, could you let me $20 for guess? And I would put the card, the index card, under the door. So I didn't wake them up because when I got back from Bouncin' and so. Next day I would wake up and see the card, and the 20 bucks, not the card, I mean the $20 in an envelope, and I said, oh, there's thanks to that, you know.

And this went on for like, oh wow, six months, whatever, and then I got another part, and then that was it. I never had any money anymore. Cut to 25 years later, or whatever, 20 years later, whatever it is. I'm getting nominated for Academy Award. And I told my parents, you have to come in the car with me, going down the red carpet. My wife is with me.

I said, you have to come to mom. Dad, we're in the car. We're just about to, we're pulling up. And my father turns to my mother and says, should we give it to him? And my mother goes, yeah, give it to him now. My father puts his hand in his pocket, takes out the several and hands it to me. He goes, here, you remember these?

I open up the envelope, I know. And I see all these index cards, $20, $20, $20. I'm going, What's this? It goes, those are the cards when you had no money, you put them under the door and we used to give you $20. He goes, we save those cards because we knew this day was going to happen. Wow. Wow.

By the way, you owe me $380. Wow. Wow. That's incredible. Chad, can you talk about the meaning behind, like your dad had this on his card? I think I told you the story. I used to wake up every week. And after seeing the movie, I was in my 20s.

I was trying to figure out life. I didn't know what I was doing. I would write. The saddest thing is in life is wasted talent. Where did that come from? I'll tell you exactly where it came from. My father, there was a great fighter in the 60s. He fought gasp for Otega.

I grew up in it. My father was a busher,, I was a trainer too, that's how I learned to fight boxing stuff. And my son is a great fighter too. But anyway, my father found Billy Bellow, he was a fighter in the 60s, Billy Bellow. And he fought gaspore otega. And two weeks later, my father found him on the roof, with a needle in his arm. Jesus. And he was devastated. If you probably, you could probably get Billy on Google, you'll see.

Billy Bellow, Kai. Billy Bellow, yeah. Was he in the Bob Dylan song with the hurricane? No. No. No. Two Ls. Billy Bellow.

Yeah, Billy Bellow. And that's where the phrase comes from. And there he is, that's Billy. Oh, I got the chills when I see that, that's Billy. Good looking young kid. Good looking. And man. Your father found him?

Yeah, with him at the center. With that needle in his arm. With a needle in his arm. He died, I don't know if it was. I mean, 18 years old. And my father looked at me and said, look with Billy. Look at a towel on the head, chance. And he said, say, I'm staying in life,

his waisted towel. That's where it came from. And he said, say, I'm staying in life, his waisted talent. That's where it came from. And he goes, he goes, don't ever forget that. And then he wrote it on a card. And he put it in my room. You know, that seems like a very, very philosophical guy. What's your desperate day?

What is your desperate day? September. September what? What's it? September 12th, I think. Okay. Got it. You were saying,

you were saying that some philosophical. That seems from just our few conversations. Very analytical about the world around them. You know, he's able to, you know, he's a working man. He's a blue collar guy. But he was very keenly aware of his surroundings. And was able to interpret his surroundings in a way that, that, you know, could provide lessons for his son.

It broke his heart. It broke his heart. And he was such a great fighter. And that's where that phrase comes from. It did that. Do you think that analytical mind that that helped you in your roles like to get into character or to be able to,

because I would imagine you play, you play the every man so well. But it's been a long time since you've been in every man, right? So I mean, but I always feel like an every man. You know, I am. I don't take, you know, I take my craft seriously,

but I don't take the fame seriously. We were very gracious last night at the dinner. I remember taking pictures. Yeah. Other people love you. They love the movies. They love your movies. Look, what does it take? It takes me 30 seconds to take a photo and they remember their whole lives. It's awesome. I always have a card. I walk around with a card to say that the thing in life is wasted talent. And when I meet an actor or somebody and they go, Chaz, can I talk to you a second? I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, on the street, they go, I go, I only got a a car to say the thing in life is wasted talent. And when I meet an actor or somebody and they go,

Chaz, can I talk to you a second? I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, on the street, they go, I go, I only got a few minutes to go, that's all right. He goes, could you just give me some advice and I give them advice and the guy, I said, you really want to do this? He goes, yeah, I open up my wallet, I take out a car and go hit.

Here's a car. Remember this car, take it with you, don't waste your talent. And I've been doing this for like 25, 30 years, right? Every once in a while while I meet a guy come over to me. Hey, Chaz. I want you. Hey man Hey, I got a car to see this car. I go. Yeah He goes you gave me this eight years ago. He goes. I'm on a soap now. I'm doing all I'm doing this right and I go Great cool, man. That's cool. That's sick. That's awesome. The impact on others like the impact on other Let's talk about the mop so So, when we started talking, and, you know,

a Michael Francis, and you had been on his show before, I think it was something that I've been done before, and I called him, we started talking together, and told you about the project, what turned you on to want to participate in Mafia States of America? What I really felt was when I heard about it, I said, wow, I thought about it. I said, has there ever been two made guys, two really bosses sit down and have a sit

down where people could see it? And I thought about it. I said, no, never. I said, this would be really interesting. And then I saw Sammy's podcast and I saw Michael's and obviously yours. And I said, oh wow, I said this could be really something if this could really work. You know, if it's real, if it's real, if it's honest, then I said, I would want to, if it's going to be like, you know, you're going to have enactments of things, I don't want to be involved in it. But if it's really real and raw, which Mafia State says, when Michael and Sammy sit down with Patrick, I said, OK, I like to be involved in that.

And then I met Gerard, obviously, the director. And I said, OK, this could be good. I go about my gut. If something looks and feels right, hey, take a chance, let's see what happens. Yeah, and you wrote a lot for this, you contribute on the writing set. Yeah, I like to, because I like to, if I'm gonna be in it, I always ask,

would you mind if I write and Gerard was very gracious? But that's what a good director does. They, if they see something in someone, they as a director, you galvanize people, you encourage people to make the project better. Let me ask you, in real life, was sunny a good man, meaning when you're, Robert Kiyosaki writes a book, Rich Dad Poor Dad,

and he says, my dad was poor, but I met this one guy that played the role of my dad, and he was a rich dad, and my dad followed all the rules, got the degree, got a regular job, but this rich dad was a business guy, investor, real estate, all this other things. And I followed my rich dad, not my poor dad, right? When you look at the life between sunny and your pops,

was sunny good for society, was sunny a good man? Was he doing the right thing, sunny? You know, that's what makes Bronx Tales so different and so why people want to see it. Sunny was telling me exactly the same things as my father. You have to realize that. This is not good fellows. Good fellows is brilliant in movies.

It is, they wanted the kid to be a bad guy. Sunny was saying, don't be, don't be like me. Do something with your life. If you got talent, do something. guy. Sonny was saying, don't be, don't be like me. Do something with your life. Make, you, you know, if you got talent, do something. Yeah. Now, I, I thought about this as I got older, I could be totally off, but I always thought that I was Sonny's penance. When in other words, he was saying to himself, if I'm going to do one thing that's right in this freaking world, I'm going to make sure this kid don't go on the, interesting. You know, now that's my,

what do we have seen it? Just be clear, are you talking about the character or are you talking real life? Oh, real life, real life. Yeah. Well, you said in the movie, your friends are hanging out with, they're half a minute, half a minute, they're in jail. That's the, what that is my actual favorite scene in the movie where it grabs them out of the car. And the other guys actually look up to something like, hey, sonny, we're gonna go do the... If I can see you with these guys again, I mean, that's power. The things that he says, he did for a tough guy.

He goes, you think having a gun makes you a tough guy? He goes, it's when the other guy has a gun, now we see what a real tough guy is. And you go, oh wow, he's right about that. You know what I mean? But the thing about Sonny was, he wasn't black or white, he was gray, and my father was

gray. So it was these two forces. Interesting. Gray versus gray. Gray versus gray, not black versus white. It wasn't evil and good. They were both at gray qualities. The bottom line of sunny was a killer.

Sunny would kill you. But he was a great guy, and he was funny. People are not just so. That's why Robert Cole and the moral intelligence of children talks why children go, but why children study a Bronx tale because they go, well, but wait a minute, but Sonny wanted him to do well. And what Robert Cole was saying in his book, it goes, sometimes good and evil is not so easily recognized. It's not so delineated.

You have to look at it and study what's behind it. And that's what makes Bronx tail so different. That's that's what's great about your dad though. What was great about your pops? My dad, which was incredible was, I couldn't tell my dad, even though he was on a bus, he loved, he worked with black people and he was kind to them and wonderful. And they loved him because he would always talk to them and they always helped them. He didn't want, I knew it wouldn't bother him if I dated a black girl.

I knew it would. I knew it would. And I think the reason why it was the product of the times, it was the product of the times 1968, it was insane in 1960. Race rides. Race rides. Race riots. Kennedy got assassinated by Martin King. I think when I got older, I asked him that question when I got older.

I said that, and I did data black girl. I said, why? He goes, I know you and tell me. He goes, I figured you were. And I said, why were you upset about that? Why you don't like that? He goes, I was afraid for you. Because I'm my love for you that I didn't want you to go through that had nothing to do with

her but in a way it did he says I just as a son you don't want your child to go through what he's about to face so I understood that where son he was different he was like hey black white what's the difference go ahead interesting morality yeah morality so with with with being, do we have the clip with Rudy or no? The clip, do you have that what he talks about the Italian family or no? Kai, you're looking at me like a doctor like you're confused. Yes, no, maybe you do have it or you don't have it.

Kai, I'm just asking you to consider. Kai, today would have glass, no joke. Kai, you look like a professor at Harvard, maybe Wharton Business School. That's what you're going for. Oh, what? You going for what? Carl from accounting.

So what it is? You got to look. It works for you. It works for you. Pat, that gray area thing. That's very interesting. Is that what it tracks you to the Moffaers zone? I think business is great.

I think business is great. I think leadership is great. I think parenting is great. I think it's very hard for a black and white person to make it in business. I think it's very hard for black and white person to make it in many different industries. Because here's a challenge.

Like, you know how he talks about the whole $20, the Bronx tail end and you say the $100,000 with me? It's not the $100,000. It's the fact that your mind is consumed with the thought of that guy that has your money. That sucks your energy, right? So the gray part, if somebody's in the gray, they understand it, it's like part of the game.

I gotta move on. The black and white part is you have to go get the money back. Because you're so stuck on the principle of the fact, versus the gray is like, let it go. You need that energy put it here, make 10 million rather than trying to consume so much time. So no, I think on the business side. By the way, you learn great the hard way.

You don't learn the easy way. Comes with experience. That's not something that you can read about the book on your grid. Where were you black and white at one point? And then you had to... That's a black and white guy. By that, raise me a book on your grave. Where were you black and white at one point? And then you had to... That's a black and white guy. My dad raised me.

You met my dad. My dad is very, you know, strong personality that he has, but he's got a sweet side to him. The sweetest guy I've ever had. Yeah, he does, but let me tell you, my dad's a high standard guy. It's like, you know, you say one time to him, you're gonna do something.

I swear to God, if you don't do it, he's gonna call you a hundred times about it. But I have to learn on the business side, you, going to do something. I swear to God if you don't do it. He's going to call you a hundred times about it. But I have to learn on the business side. It's very complicated. The sole mechavelli thing that you talk about, there's a lot of that that applies to business. This is why books like 33 Strategies of War, Art of Seduction by Robert Green. You got 40 laws of power. These things apply to business. But going back to with the mafia, going back with the mafia, chance. Is for you, you know, what do you think about the mob? You know, what are your feelings about the mob?

There's different people, I will go to Rudy here in a minute. I just wanna know what he thinks. What do you think about the mob at this point of your life? You've been around it, you get a lot of, sometimes people, I mean, you've read it, you've seen it, this is you, it's your life, people claim you were part of it, like maybe there was some affinity to it,

a connection to it, but what are your thoughts when you think about them up? Well, the mob is not what it once was, that's for sure, it's kind of like a fraction, you know, it's not what it once was, and what was it? I mean, you know, it's not what it once was. And what was it? I mean, could you say it one time it was there was real on. I mean, yeah, probably maybe the old time is there was, but what's the benefit of

of shaking down your own neighborhood and people have to pay you money? I don't know, you know, it comes down to what my dad said, real respect, real, real people who are real men, go out and get a job and they work for a living and take care of their family. That's a real man. He said it doesn't take much strength to pull a trigger, but get up in the morning every day. So I see them, do I admire them?

No, I still see them. Now I fun with them. When I see them, I laugh, I talk. But I respect my dad. You know, I respect the guy who gets out and works and works hard. So working man is not a sucker. The working man is not a sucker. No, he's not. He's not. Look, everybody in the wise guy that I knew ended up dead or in jail. So if somebody told you, if you work out that door, every time you walk out that door you're going to get in there with a bigger garbage. You stop walking out that door. But these guys keep

walking out that door. Yeah. They know they're going to keep walking out that fascination because that life kind of doesn't exist anymore. These were kind of like the modern pirates. This is the Wild West. This is Jesse James. It's romantic looking back at it and saying, wow, these guys took life by the horns. They did whatever they wanted to do and nobody could say anything. But if you lived with them,

if you lived with that type of person, it had to be a hard life to deal with that. Well, the movies are romanticized. They have terrible lives. They have terrible lives. Their kids are always forget it. If they're not there with their children, their kids end up bad.

I'll tell you a story about a big wise guy in my neighborhood. I don't want to mention his name. But his son became a wise guy. He wasn't made in his son yet. He ended up getting made. No, I'm sorry, he never got made. He was so crazy. And when I'm standing there with a priest,

my best friend, and this guy, this wise guy, on the corner. His son is walking up the block. Son was maybe 20. Okay. Son is going, now I could curse, right? I mean, of course, yeah. And his son's walking up by, you go, fuck that, fuck that. And he's going, I don't give a, he's talking to another guy, fuck that. And I, and, and it's like, there's a priest right there. And he walks, he goes, hey, die. What the fuck? And his father goes, what's the matter? What the hell's wrong with you?

He goes, the fucking guy, just, he pulled this shit with me and the scam, he goes, all right, swear to God, Dad, I'm gonna shoot him. I'm gonna kill him. I'm gonna kill him. And his father's standing right there, it goes, quote, the hell's the matter with you. You're saying things like that in front of people so I'm

saying to myself oh he's gonna you know rep him in the sun right you don't ever say things like that what's wrong with you who's if you're gonna whack somebody you don't say in front of anybody which is good advice yeah this is a father talking and I was like a father talking, and I was like, did he just say that? I was like, there was a priest there, and we both looked at each other like, did he just say that?

If you're gonna whack somebody, you keep your mouth shut. I'll talk, I'll be watching you guys in one minute and walks away with his kid. Now, what shot does this kid got? What happened to him? Well, that value at 20 years old. At 20 years old, what happened to this kid got? What happened to him? Well, that value at 20 years old. At 20 years old, what happened to this kid? Yeah.

Kill three people, life in prison. He ended up killing three people. Kill two guys and then he killed a guy in jail. He's gone. Jesus. What, could you expect different? How we grew up? Yeah.

You're expecting the father to be like, you don't do that, what's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? If you're gonna do that, You don't down nobody keep it around What's crazy? I was like Do you see anybody? Did you see anybody that was it would I have a normal life or no? Yeah, my friends no no on the mom side made man mom side, you know, no, okay, no ever no The number run is some of the number run is the I knew them

They passed the father to the center the Santa yeah, they knew them, they passed the father to the son to the son to the son to the, they had just normal lives, but they were just number runs. Look, he's out. Sal Romano was serious today, he said something. He says, you know, you know why everybody eventually flips and they go cooperate? I said, what?

He says, if the mob did one thing, nobody would ever cooperate. I'm like, what is that? He says, if they, he says, we're not afraid of going to jail. We're not afraid of going away. We already understand that. That's part of it. Every one of us has done a little bit of time. I'm like, let says we're not afraid of going to jail, we're not afraid of going away. We already understand that. That's part of it.

Every one of us has done a little bit of time. I'm like, let me see what the sky's going to be saying. He says if the mob had a program to take care of the wives and kids when you went away, nobody would cooperate. That's bullshit. Yeah, that's what he, I'm just telling you what he said. That is bullshit. Okay.

So go. That is bullshit. Tell me why. It's because it's bullshit, because they're just trying to justify why they can't wait to get, they all sing this, as soon as they get caught, they have run, they race to the DA who's gonna make the deal first. It's bullshit.

Listen, my friend, you saw Rudy Giuliani. One of my closest friends worked for him, and Rudy knows them very well. And I'll tell you who he is. His name is Phil Folia. He passed away. My closest friend with COVID. When COVID happened, I still breaks my heart. Anyway, Phil told me with these wives guys, because he worked with Rudy. Put him all away. It's just one wise guy goes to his office, right? He's sitting down at the chair, who is Phil's going to speak to him about, you know, flipping. So he goes, listen, you want to make a deal with me and bump up up

up, Phil. Phil, Phil, Phil, Phil, Phil told me his story, he goes, the guy just sits back and goes, well, you know, Phil, I don't know what I want to do. I got to think about my future. Those were the words he said. My friend Phil gets up, right? There's two detectives in the room with him. So it's, come here, come here. Pick the guy up, grab some bias arm. Come here, come over to the window. Bring him over to the window and says, look,

you see that son over there? You see the son, right? He goes, the next time you see that son is gonna be the year, 2040. 2040, that's when you're gonna see it. Cause I'm gonna put you to fuck away for forty to fifty years. Now get the fuck out of my office. They brought him out of the office. Ten minutes later he came back. He goes, I'm sorry, I will make it, they made a deal. Come on. Stop it. When somebody's

telling you you're gonna sit in the box for forty years, fifty years, you talk. It's got nothing to do. They full of shit. So that's, you know, I mean, obviously that's why I want to ask you, but there's some people that look at Rudy and they say Rudy as an Italian. How the hell you put so many people away as an Italian. You put away your own people. Yeah. And it went to jail.

You, you did this with the Rikoiko, all this stuff that you go through. What do you think about Rudy, what he did in the 80s to the mob? I think Rudy was great. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I gotta be honest with you, when he came to my neighborhood, they booed him. They, you know, they didn't like him. Yeah. You know, because, you know, but was it is Rudy a good man? Yeah. Yeah. He put people away. These guys are bad guys. Yeah. You know, don't get me wrong.

I hung out with them, but I didn't become a wise guy. I don't want to be a wise guy. They're bad guys. They'll, they're the first ones to tell you that. You know, you know, all there's some stand up guys who don't rat. Yeah, Benny eggs, the gold time is guys like, some of the, yeah, they didn't rat. You know, that's it, they don't the old time is guys like Benny eggs. Son of Francis. Yeah, they didn't rat.

You know, that's it, they don't rat. And okay, but that's it. If you want to go, that's, listen, John Gotti didn't rat. Say what you want about John Gotti, he was a gangster to the end. To the end. You know, I'm not, I'm not saying, but, but at least he stood by his code and said, no, this is it. This is it. A guy told me a great story.

I won't tell you who he was. But when God he was on his dead bed, when he was dying from throat cancer, a priest walked in and the person whispered to John, you know, there's a priest here. Do you want the priest to it and John one like this? Right to the end man. No, it really made his decision. You already made his decision. No, no, he didn't want to give me any final words. No, I don't know if it's that I don't know How do you interpret that? I don't need a priest. I made my decision. But do you think he's saying I don't need a priest or do you think he's saying? There's no way I'm gonna have a spot in heaven like there's no way I don't think I don't think you processed that I don't think he priest or do you think he's saying there's no way I'm going to have a spot in heaven. I don't think he processed that.

I don't think he was even thinking that. Yeah, I don't think at that moment. I can't like is it like I can't forget. I don't know. I never met him, but I think a wise guy would just say like, nah, you know, I don't want to deal with it. It looks like I'm giving up at the end. Not to give the audience too much here, but there's a gentleman in Mafia States of America that made this agree with with this sentiment. No, no question up it. Yeah, not to give the audience too much here, but there's a gentleman in

mafia states of America that made this agree with this sentiment. No, no question about it. I mean, obviously there's a part of it that, you know, some on the other side who, from Samy's camp may say in the recording, John did kind of throw Samy under the bus saying he was going to have somebody take him out.

So there was that. I don't know about that. Again, those things I don't know about. Well, I know it was the guy that didn't rat. You know, you know what would be a great sit down? You know what would be a great sit down? Yeah. You know what would be a great sit down?

Junior and Sammy would be a great sit down. Yeah, that would be, I don't know about that. We would need to have offense. You would be a great sit down. Yeah, that would be, yeah. But that would be a great sit down. I think that one. John got it too. I think that one.

John Gotti, do I think John Gotti, oh yeah, because let both of them hash it out in front of the world and talk to one another. Now, the likelihood that happened, that's probably the solution. But you're not gonna get an answer. You're not gonna get a truthful answer. But what would happen is,

you know what would happen is, I'm a big fan of a good debate. Yeah, you know, what is a good debate to we don't necessarily end up getting an answer But we get a little closer to the truth right a good debate because you watch body language You see one person back and down. You see one person gets nervous You see one person really gets annoyed when you poke him in an area that's like listen You don't poke you can poke me anywhere. This one area you wanna have to disperse, we learn a lot. So I don't know.

I'm not telling you it's gonna happen. The likelihood is sent to none, but I'm just saying that would be. That would be something I don't know. I don't know if that could happen. I don't think neither. Junior nor Sammy would agree to do that, Siton. I don't think they would.

I think there's too much water under the bridge. I think so as well. I think they couldn't even talk about certain things. If it did happen, how crazy would that be if it did happen? If it did happen, we would probably need to get national guard there. We would probably need to get the military there. We probably need to call some security. I just don't think it could happen.

The setting too is very, very important. You were talking about Rudy who talked, who didn't talk. The New York you grew up in is so different from the New York people know today, especially in the Bronx. The Bronx was burning back in the day. I mean, you were 60s and 70s in the Bronx. It was like five alarm fire every day.

They were trying to burn the tenants out. So, you know, then in the late 70s, the late 70s was son of Sam, right? I mean, like the New York you grew up in. A lot of times, I hear the stories. It feels like it was a little bit of a war zone, man. It was crazy time, but I have to say, I didn't have a great childhood.

I had a wonderful childhood. So people always go, my God, the childhood, I go, no, no, it was great. You know, the wise guys ran the neighborhood. We were all tying guy kids for growing up. Well, everybody was tying in the neighborhood. It was great. So I can't say, I didn't have, to me,

it didn't look like bad, you know. Race riots, the Bronx is burning. No, there was no race riots in my neighborhood. There was none. Everybody was tying in there. But it was a turf, you know, like Bronx Tale. We owned that and then the black zone from where

Webster Revenue was, the Puerto Ricans owned in different areas. So you stayed in our area. Reggie Jackson, Thurmond Munson, I mean, come on. Well, that's crazy. Yesterday, Chaz is at the house and Ticondillin are like, hi, how are you? I said, do you know who he is? No. I say he's a very, very famous actor.

Really? What movie were you in? They just like I'm in a conversation. I say Bronx. I said you think it's time for them to watch Bronx. They'll Chases how old your son I said Ticos nine years old you says you know that's how it was when I saw a guy get shot Right in front of me. I said they're probably ready to watch Bronx When will you let the kids watch? Listen we've already watched movies. They shouldn't have watched. So we're probably ready.

And I know it's the time for what? I know it's 6, 7. They're in a 7. You know what? And I never noticed that about that until I had a son. And then when my son became 9, I turned to my wife. I never forgot. And I said, I said, John, you know, and my son grew up in Bedford.

You know. So I look at him and I go, I was that age. And it was like weird to me. When I see a child who's 9 or 10 years old, I look and I go, how could I be at that age seeing what I see? Crazy, right? It was crazy, man. Can I ask a more of a light-hearted question here?

We were talking about it last night. Women again? We're going to go to women. How'd you know? So well you talked about you know the girl the black or your Northwestern. Let's be before we go to because that's like a complete right turn on the 95 freeway. Let's stay on a 1a for now. Go stay there. Kai can you pull up the video about Juliana before we take the street for Adam Shrinell learn about women. I have a question. You want to learn about them? Go to my podcast, Chas Pomatari show.

There it is. I love that. Not stop. Yes. By the way, Kai, put the link to his podcast in the comment section as well as the description. Folks, go subscribe to Chas's podcast. You do this how often.

You do show how often. I do a new show each week. Each week a new show. Okay, fantastic. So Rudy, Rudy says some things here about this is when he talks about it's part of the Italian heritage. It's just part of the Italian immigrant status. It's part of the dealing with this was just part of being from an immigrant family and being in a Italian New York. Play it. Play it. And I want to hear Chazestal tell you.

Newell is serious as he thought it was. I mean, it's the kind of thing you could easily explain as had nothing to do with Matilda, had nothing to do with Mario. And it's the kind of thing that happened back in those days when you had a conductive business and if you didn't play ball with them, there were victims, they weren't, they easily could have been interpreted that way. That's the way I interpreted it.

But he, he, he's sort of a man of hope about it. You know how sometimes people are more embarrassed about something than they should be. You know we thought that was the case with Mario. Or actually because he was very ethical and a very good man. Marry was, he was very good man. And he's somewhat respected.

Italian heritage, you know. Yeah, this was, he's talking about Mario Womow taking it too seriously. Outdated, yeah. That whole thing about, you know, there's two Americans, one for the rich, one for the tour. I think, well, I think that ended during the depression and I didn't think if he ran, he would get elected. I thought he could be nominated, but I thought his message was too outdated,

and I don't think he could have beaten Ronald Reagan, who was, Mario was a very brilliant man. He was not a particularly great candidate. His speeches were more designed for... Kai, look for what Part-Ware was looking for. This was not it. What I'm looking for is when he talks about early on. Um, Chas has a great, uh, great. You have a absolutely fantastic monologue to about the, uh, we can pull that up as well. But if you gave it, um, really as an improv during, during our recording process, about how, you know, just to be very clear, not every Italian is in the mob.

No. And Italians do not have a monopoly on organized crime. Absolutely not. Yeah. Um, Kai, if you got that one, we could pull that one up real quick. I mean, I thought that that was a brilliant, brilliant statement that you had made as far as what the real backbone of the Italian American community is. All the Italians aren't in the mafia.

It's important to remember Italians don't have a monopoly on organized crime, and that the true fabric of an Italian neighborhood is the working man, the baker, the bus driver, the cop, the seam truss. You may have heard this once before, but it doesn't take much strength to pull a trigger, but get up in the morning and work for a living. In my opinion, that's the real tough guy.

And remember, the choices you make will shape your life forever. For value, payment, media, I'm Charles Palmittery. Yeah, I thought that that was like a really, really powerful. When you were growing up, when you were, you know, you had not even thought about doing a Bronx tale, you're just living this life. What did you feel a pull towards? Like you guys were talking about gray. But did you feel like it could have gone either way for you?

Do you feel like it could have? I don't know if it was that close. I mean, I admire them. But you see back then it was different. Bad guys and good guys would all hang out together. We would all hang out on the corner. You know, we had no club, right? You know, we were all sh-

Well, we were sh- guys, we all hang out on the corner. And it was very easy to go, I'm gonna go do this, we're gonna go do that. So the good guys would hang in the bad guys would go do what they gotta do. You know, so, and every time it was like, hey, change, you wanna come in there?

I would be about to then I go, nah, nah I'm cool, man. Because I would be about to then I go nah, nah I'm cool man. Because I never wanted to hurt my mother and father. Were you ever tempted to join the life where no? I never got that close to join the life. No, I can't even say that. Should you get an imitation? Was it kind of like, hey Chaz, you know,

you'd be great in the life where no? No, it was never that. It was more like you get involved in a small way. You start doing the, you know, you're be chopping up cause. You want to go there start doing the choppin' up cause. You wanna go there, then you get these choppin' up cause, then you meet somebody else, and you meet a bigger boy.

So that's how it happens. I just never went there. I just didn't wanna do it. If your father had different values to teach you, could that have happened? Oh yeah. So let me ask you this question. Because for me, I'm always trying to find a motive

and what caused somebody to go into that life. When you hear the story about some of these guys with their fathers, it's like automatic. Okay, this makes sense. This person's going to be it. So how much of it you think is the individual that wants to be part of the life? How much you think it's the influence of the parents? Oh, the parents. Oh, you put it on the parents. I'm saying the parents definitely just got it. Because when you're young, what is a parent? A parent is a mirror. A kid's watch the way you treat your wife. They watch what you do. They watch you get up in the morning and go to work.

If they see that, they go, oh, that's how you're supposed to be. They grow up and they mirror you. If you treat your wife bad, they'll grow up. They'll treat their wife bad. It's very simple. So you really have to, as a father, you've got to watch them. You've got to, my father led by example, my mother led by example.

And they love me so much, I love my sisters. I didn't want to hurt them. My father said, don't ever let me have to come to jail and bail you off. Please don't ever do that to me. And that would kill me. And I said, I don't worry about it. I wouldn't do that, you know, and I didn't. Well, sometimes when your parents do not set a good example, if you have a good

moral compass, you might say, I'm never going to be like my father. I'm never going to do that. I'm going to do the exact opposite. I've seen Billy's father and that's the man that I want to emulate. That's how I go down a different road. That's how I show me. Show me people who do that. That was me. I did not have a good relationship. My father, I was doing some things I didn't agree with. I said, I'm never gonna be like you. Some people can do that also that.

It's harder. It's harder. It's harder, but it is possible. It is possible. Just because, you know, but it shows the value of, but there is a part that affected you though. I mean, if you think about it, there's a part of that affected you. I mean, if you think about it,

there's a part of that affected you. There's certain things in life that probably, how hard is a food to find somebody right now that you want to make your wife? How hard is a food? Yeah, because you're overthinking it. Like, what if it doesn't work? What if it's this?

What if it's that? Because there's a part of that fear. Like, I don't want to ever get married. To me, it's like, I'm never gonna get married because shit, I saw my parents get two divorces and four years. I don't even want to deal with this married stuff, but I really wanted to have kids

and I wanted to have a family. I wanted to have that legacy type of thing, right? So it just tells you the power of parenting, man. It tells you the power of parenting. And a friend of mine, his dad would always slap him in the face in front of us. And the kids, this was a grown kid. So I would slap him in the face.

Man, I would walk away. I'm like, dude, I can't be in your house, man. I can't come to your house. He said, I can't. So I would slap them in the face. Man, I would walk away. I'm like, dude, I can't be in your house. I can't come to your house. He said, I can't watch you that slap interface. It makes me feel uncomfortable. I'm not cool with that. It's very, very awkward to see that take place. What happened with that guy?

He's no longer with us, man. I just know, literally, he's no longer with us. So I think the value of parenting, man, that's the part where you hear kids being raised without a father or without a Mom and dad in a picture. It's got a big it's got a big influence on that look look at crime Most of these kids in jail. They're 80% of them have no father. That's right. Well, where are the fathers? You know when you get these kids eight nine ten years old. It's too late You got to get them at that.

You gotta get them early. I go to prisons. I go to juvenile prisons. And I talk to some of the kids, okay? These kids are 14 years old. They're like men. They're like men. They're talking about whacking people, double murders.

Come on, where were the parents? Where were the parents? Where? His mother was a junkie. His father was in the can. I mean, what shot does he have? What shot does this kid have? No shot. Nothing. It's the, you must get these kids early. Purpose and accountability. What are you doing to father? What do we do? Because, like, we're a nation of choices, right? We don't have choices. You get to choose to use a condom or not.

Nobody can force you to say, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, put it on. Like, we're not there to be able to catch that situation, right? So there's a lot of temptation when you're having sex. You're not thinking about it. You get pregnant, baby comes, father bails, dude. I don't want to be a father. I just wanted to have some good sex.

I'm not here to help you. I don't even have any money. I can't do anything. I can't be in a picture. What are you doing those have some good sex. Right. I'm not here to help you. I don't even have any money. I can't do anything. I can't be in a picture. What are you doing those cases where the father's not there? How does the community, how does the state, how does the country address that? I don't know.

Yeah. So that's a, you know, it was funny. I was, many years ago, I was at Spielberg's house and I was talking to him about a project. I never forgot that. And a little boy came out. A little boy came out. A little boy came out. But he was black.

Very beautiful haircut. He was only about 10 years old, maybe, I think, at the time. He had just like Ralph Lauren shirt pants. I mean, really stylish. And he said, and he said, Chaz, this is my son. And I said, Bill Burke's son. Yes. And I said, oh, he has another son, Max, that he has one. And again, I'm not talking about, I don't know Stephen, but I'm just telling you this story.

And he said, this is my son. And I went, oh, very nice to meet you. He was very, hello, really, you know. And then I said, wow. And I found out that he adopted him, that his parents, I don't know, maybe they, I don't know if they, something somebody said they were crack addicts, I don't remember exactly. But now here's this young boy, think of this, that if Stephen doesn't adopt him, where is he? And now he went from there to being one of the most influential richest

people in the world. What, what, what, what, what, how's his career going to be? It's, you know, Steven's introducing him to life and it's, it's the parents meet everything when a young child's life, everything. People don't get it, but you gotta get them early. You gotta get them early. Chaz last night when we left dinner and we went to the house, we were talking, we went back to the house and we were there till about 11, 30, 12 o'clock.

We said, I said, I said, Chaz is a man's man, okay. That's what I say, he's a man's man. I come from a lineage of man's man. It's different when you are on man's man. Okay, that's what I see. He's a man's man. I come from a lineage of man's man. It's different when you are run man's man. The language is different, the swagger is different, the respect is different, the expectation is different. Things that don't matter to the average person is going to matter a little bit more to the man's man. There's certain things you can't cross the line on certain things with them. There's certain things that's respect. Thoughts on you with movies. Movies have a lot of power. Right. John Q was the first movie where I sat there and I

said, man, that kid should have had a heart, man. What are we going to do with this quarter million dollars that cost to get that heart? Like, what do we do with health insurance? There's influence with movies, right? Last 20 years, men and movies are like, you know, but presented as weak, fragile, pansy, softies, you know, being pushed around, you know, they're a joke, they're a laughing stock. How much of this direction we're going and the way we're shaping and presenting how men are, are we losing the concept of man's man? Because today masculinity is a little bit frowned upon. Like if you're too much of a man's man It's kind of like well, that's not respectful, but that's not this and you become almost a target. Talk about man's man's man's man today

Survive in a era where it's frowned upon to be a man's man You know what it's a good question Patrick man's man. You know what? It's a good question Patrick. You know, women complain about shivery and I sometimes I would say, well, you're the one who killed it. You know, don't complain about it. You know, I remember I was trying to, I was on a plane and the woman, she had a stuff there. And it was kind of, she was struggling to get it off the top. And I said, excuse me. I said, I'll get a few honey. I just meant I said honey. Yeah. And she said, excuse me, I could do it and I'm not honey. I said, oh, I'm sorry, you know, and she kind of yelled it like not yelled it, but people heard. Yeah, yeah. And

I was just, oh, okay, I'm sorry. And I was like, wow, I was trying to help her. Yeah. Good luck then. I didn't mean anything by that. I wasn't saying, hey honey, I just sorry, and I was like, wow, I was trying to help her. Good luck then. I didn't mean anything by that. I wasn't saying, hey honey, I just said, oh, should be honey, I'll get a few. As being a man, and she jumped on my case, I'm not your honey, and I could get it. And I was like, wow, wow. Well, you being in Hollywood,

what's your take on the Me Too movement, feminism, I'm gonna be- Well, you know, Q and O Fiko's Deep Rondet. Are you gonna go deep-run that because you're a pretty deep guy,, I'm gonna comment on that. You know, curational figures deep around that. Are you gonna go deep around that because you're a pretty deep guy because I'm sitting there having a conversation and I say, hey, ladies, can we do this? And we're at a restaurant, so hi ladies.

And one the girl says, don't call me a lady. I said, I'm sorry, what can I call you? Right. You just can call me a woman. I'm a woman, I'm not a lady. I said, so I step back, I'm like, I'm trying to see why. So can I ask you, just for my own curiosity, I said, if I'm a lady, you're a Lord.

You're not a Lord. I said, why? Oh, man. You're just nothing you could say. Yeah, I mean, you got to walk away. Yeah, I know. I did. I want my walk when I have my food.

But the point is, you know, like, you, you, you, it's almost, you're a target today. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. I feel bad for those people who have had because it's, it's a lot of, it is coming from like internalized hatred and stuff that they don't, you know, it, it's, it's a way for them. I don't think it's internalized.

You don't think so. No, I don't think this is a way for them to feel powerful in ways that they don't feel powerful and they're, you know, I'm just imagine having to go through life. And everything has to be filtered through the lens of how can I make this about me? How can I make this about this offends me? You should have known this way. That's what's happening to me.

No, that's taught, bro. I'm sorry, I can't buy that. I think that is taught. We spend an hour and 30 minutes so far in this podcast talking about the value of somebody teaching you good or bad principles. And then he said 100% is parenting, and I says, I don't know if it's 100%

let's say it's 90% parenting. Let's put the number on whatever ratios we want to use. I think that is taught through a generation and you think it's normal. It's very simple, it's taught. And I'm having a hard time with that because for my kids, one of my kids, some happened with a bully and they said,

yeah, in school, this one school they were going to, in school, daddy, they're telling us, even if somebody hits you, never hit back. So I said, yeah, really? Yeah, I said, listen, here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna call your teachers, I call the teacher and I went and met the school. I went and had everybody that said,

so here's what I'm being told. I just wanna manage the expectation because we have to be on the same page, because you know, as teachers and parents, we're on the same team, we're trying to raise good citizens, right? So yeah, of course, yes, fantastic. I said, so this kid is bullying my son, okay? He's being told to just come and tell you guys.

So he's being taught to snitch, which is fine, okay? But I'm just trying to understand this. I said, is that what feedback he's being told? Yes. Now, what is the what feedback he's being told? Yes. Now, what is the limit of limitation you guys have here for how much he has to accept bullying until he punches back? No, we don't tolerate that.

I said, okay, so we have a challenge here. So it's what's that's it, because my kids come home and my kids are instructed that if somebody bullies you, respectfully, you tell them to stop, okay? And you address it. And if it happens continuously, you have to punch him in the face. That's a specific instruction.

Somebody may disagree with the sense that this is not the right way to do, right? You have to do in every possible way to avoid conflict. But you got to stand up. You got to stand up. And then they're going back and forth, well, that's not the right way of parenting. I said, I'm sorry, I'm not going to raise a little parentheses.

Yeah. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. When I went after my parents got a divorce and I lived in Germany and there was no father figure and it was me, my sister, and my mom and they're both attractive. The world is an ugly world. If you're going to be soft, they're going to devour you. So you want me to raise kids that are going to be bullied the rest of their life.

Hail to the effin' no. It's not me to raise kids that are going to be bullied the rest of their life, hail to the F and no. It's not going to happen, right? So that's the part where I'm asking, because you know, like imagine if your son hangs out with them for three months, what do you think's going to happen? No, honestly, I won't check anything, but you got a kid in a hangout with chas for three months. What do you think happens to your son?

Comes smooth. Forget about being smooth. Yeah, it's going to be the right way to act. He's going to learn values and principles of what it is to be a man. Right. That's the challenge I'm having. I don't know if you have any calls. I am so no, I am so proud of my son.

I have a son Dante who's 25 years old. Six to like, you know, me, drop dead hands and build the fun. He could fight. I I taught him how to fight just like my dad taught me how to fight since he's three years old I talk box or box Jake Paul right here on my team. My son is When we get off camera I'll show you some things my son could fight and he could and and but you know what? I always told him I always said to him don't they when he was young I'm teaching you how to fight so you don't fight. Remember that.

I know that. My son is a stand up, graduated Berkeley. He'll walk away, but let me tell you something. But if you push it, he will put you out. He will, MMA, you know, the whole thing. But all you have to do is build a reputation once. You have to, you have to teach a person to fight. You have to, if I have a a person to fight. You have to.

If I had another son, I would teach him, and my grandfather took my father, my father taught me, I taught my son and my son will teach his kids. Not just a boy, a girl too. No, I'm doubted that someone's going to ask. You guys are both fathers to daughters. So if somebody comes up, somebody at school made an unwanted advance on your daughter and she came home, dad, how do I handle it? What are you telling her? Well, I wanted to go to someone and tell them and see how they handled it, just like Patrick did. If they handle it the right way and say, hey, you didn't want, you never do it again, because if you do it, you're going to get expelled. That is, boy, that's enough to worry. But if this

boy keeps doing it and they can tell him him this kid you can't do anything back, no, no, no. I grew up where a guy was a bully. Yeah, you want to be a bully? Boom, let's go for it. Yeah. You know what? It stopped.

It was over. No more bullying. Fight's in the school, yeah. It only takes a couple of times. The world, the world is an ugly place. People feed or fear. You got to, and if they see weakness, they keep it up. They keep it up. I had a thing a year ago, I don't get into fights anymore.

I have two, I have two off duty cops that travel everywhere with me, and they'll stop it. But this one guy, I was standing at the bar, and he came over with me, he goes, he goes, yeah, you were here three weeks ago, I saw you. You remember me, and I did remember him, because I I was with a table and he walked over and said, hey I love your movies and I said thank you. And he pulled up a chair and sits down. I mean you don't do that and I said excuse me. I'm with a party here. I thank you that you love my movies but I'm sorry I'm with people and he got up and left. So then three weeks lady sees me comes. He goes, yeah you dish me last what a few weeks ago. I said, I what? He goes, you dis me. I go, I look, I was with a

party and you came over, I'm sorry. You know, he goes, yeah, well, I didn't like that. And I could feel like the guy who's with me holding my arm, my one of my bodyguards. And he goes, what, I go, I told him, just wait a second. I said, look, if I did do something, I apologize. I'm very sorry. I don't think I did, but if I did, I truly apologize. And he said, yeah, well, you know what? That's not enough. And I said, well, then I don't know what to tell you that. And he was a big guy, you know. And then he leans over to me at the bar and he says you know I'm a fucking tough guy says this to me so now all of a sudden I went way back in the street I went I said okay I know what I'm dealing with now I said that's good I said because I'm a fucking tough guy

so what do you want to do and he he looked at me and went, come on, I'm just kidding. And he went, I'm just teasing you. Hey, man, I really love you move. I said, I don't have a cool man. And he walked away. He pushed me to the point where I had to show him, hey, man, you want to play? Make your move. Let's go until I did that, until I did that, he would have kept going. Yeah, how long ago is this brother? What are you? Here we go. I hear go. I hear ago. I thought he said three weeks You brought up you reminded me of a story. I was a Respect chest. No, no, but it's just come on guys. Yeah, yeah, that's enough

Do everything you can to avoid the fight, you know in the school You hope to have a long order where it doesn't even come to you some schools are great But the kids are going to the school right now. We had an incident. It didn't even make it up to me that I need I didn't need to go to school. They handled it themselves See I was I was taught wrong like you guys are right, but I was taught wrong but I'm I'll never forget I was in first grade and There was a kid and they met and he was kind of a bully. My mom was the lunch, what would it call it? Like they come and they like-

Lunch lady? Well, lunch lady, but they like- Lunch lady, land? Wasn't a lunch lady. They like- Capateria worker? No, they like, shaperone, door and recess or whatever, like whatever. So the guy calls him out, my mom tells the kid to stop doing what he's doing.

He was like, pinching a girl or something like that. When I was like, Matthew, stop. And he goes, shut up, bitch, to my mom. And I was like, oh, like you don't do that to my mom. Like my mom's a warrior woman dude. Like, oh, and then I come home. My dad's never home. He worked in the city.

He was home at eight o'clock at night. When I come home, my dad's waiting for me at home. And he goes, hey, did Matt call your mom a bitch today? That school. I was like, yeah, I can't believe he goes, what'd you do? I was like, I know that. I was like, okay, this is what you're gonna do.

As soon as you get off the bus tomorrow, you're gonna walk up the mat. You're gonna punch him in the face. You're gonna keep punching him until you can't punch anymore. And I'm like, I don't think I'm allowed to do that. He goes, you're allowed to do that. Go do that. So first thing I get off the bus in the morning,

and I go, and I punch this kid, I beat the living crap, I don't remember crying while I'm on top of of the whole time. I obviously get directed principal's office Principal's like what the heck was that about? I was like I call my mom a bitch So my dad's there obviously call that work. He's there. He goes to work I am so disappointed you this is not how I'm like sitting there like shocked like what the Happened here he comes out and he goes, hey, free day off. And he pounds me, we go get ice cream,

he takes me to a Yankee game that, right? He was like, look man, sometimes, sometimes, there's a part of that, that's not, you're that didn't do you wrong there. There's a part of that that's kind of like, you know, he taught you to protect your mom and your two sisters, you got two sisters, right? You're not supposed to better way to go about it.

I'm not saying, listen, there's the one thing about parenting that sucks is there's no freaking manual, you know. You can say the Bible, yes, there's a, but there's not a manual that says, if this thing happens, what do you do? Go to page 396 to see seven steps on that analyst. You kind of got a freaking go off the cuff.

He was so legitimately mad at me that he had to teach me that lessons. You didn't think? Chad, as a guy, just a Jack Hossel posted a question here about Lilo Brancado. I've heard you talk about him before when he got in trouble with himself because he was a star coming up at a young age and he didn't know how to handle a good-looking guy. He does a movie like Bronx Tale. He's partying. He's everywhere. Women are all over him. What happened to him? He's out right now. I know he's out

But what happened with the story? Well, I'm was he you know, he it was 16 years old I mean it was too much too soon, you know, he believed all the the press reviews and everything and He just acted terrible and got involved with drugs he became a junkie and and it was funny because as the years What we're going on, I used to say to him, I said, Lilo, you were in the quintessential movie about not wasting your life. And that's exactly what you're doing. Wow. I said, you realize that you're living the movie. Yeah. What was his response? No, no, I'm going to be cool. I'm going to be cool. Yeah. Three weeks before it happened, he came to my house because he wanted me to do a movie, write a movie about this guy, and he was stone. I

said, Lilo, it's going to happen soon or later. Three weeks later, a big report on the news that a cop died, was shot. He was with a guy, and that was it. Are you still in touch with them? No, I don't speak to him anymore. I tried for 10 years to talk to him, and now, I look, he's a talented kid, he could have been a big star, but my friendship is over with him. But I wish him well. I hear you straight in this life out. I think that's great.

I hear he helps kids. I think that's great. And I wish him well. How do you look at him as a son at some point? No, no, no. Chaz, how often does that happen? Do you see, like, it's not being able to manage the limelight, is there, what comes with the limelight?

I mean, when you get the limelight, okay, so for example, you're doing, you're doing theater, right? You're doing all this in greatest. How many people are in audience, by the way? 500,000, 10,000, 5,000? No, most 25,000, 3,000. Let's say 2500 to 3000 people. There's a big difference between 2500 to 3000

to 50 million people watching you. Right? It's a big, big difference. What happened the moment Bronx Tale became a hit and your nominated 40 Academy? It's what happens to your life? What happened overnight to your life? It was amazing.

Can you walk us through that? I was totally unknown. I was an actor, but I was totally unknown. The next minute, I remember we were flying to Paris. I'm on a private jet with Bob and we're flying to Paris and he's sleeping in one bed and I'm sleeping here and I wake up and I just looked at him sleeping there. I look at the window, you know, blackness, and I went, wow.

Here I was, like months before, and now I'm on a private jet with Bob and Arrow, you know? And I got up, I'll never forget it. And there was a guy just sitting there reading. He was like the butler, you know. And I said, do you have any, I was a little hungry. I said, do you have any like, you know, finger food or something like that.

I'm a little hungry. You know, I was never on a private jet before. And he said, well, would you like to, you want some pancakes or French toast? And I was like, pancakes, French toast. I'm making, I'm like, you know, when I'm like, I get some salt to get that surprise. That's what I want to show to the people.

I'm cooking, right? He goes, no, no. Also, he opens up the table, he puts the white table. He puts a rose there on a thing. And like, you know, such as beautiful table up, I'm sitting there and he's cooking and he's making pancakes and I'm eating scrambled eggs and I'm looking, I'm eating, and I look over and Bob is sleeping and I go, all right,

Chas, I go, but you belong here. But I said that to myself. I said, you belong here. It's okay. But that was one, that was a moment. It's funny you brought that up, Patrick. That was one of the first moments that I was like, wow. And then we got off the plane in France and Paris.

And there was this giant, giant wall with Bob's face and my face looking at each other. Instead of posting. Yeah. And I was like, wow. Pull up the poster, that's one of the sickest posters. Yeah, I don't forget. When you interviewed Mike Tyson, and he was the world champion,

and you asked a question, which has given me sort of vibes, like this, you said, when did you know you would be the champion? And he says, what was his response when he was 14 years old? You sometimes you have to be the champion? You have to believe you're a champion before it would become a champion. There's a lot of similarities there. Is that basically how you knew you would be the same as actors? There's a saying, you have to go there in the mind before you can go there physically.

It's like when people train like Navy SEALs, why they train so much. And when they get into the shit, they're there already because they trained it. They're there. So you have to go there in your mind. So I always already pictured myself working with great people. And what age does that that mindset start?

God, I want to be an actor with 10, probably in my 11, 12, 13. So when you're 38 and that $250,000 check comes, you're thinking, no, I'm gonna hold out. The only person that I ever got star struck and I worked with all of them, the biggest stars, the only person I could never get over who he was with Frank Sinatra, the only one. You've been on set with Sophia Vagara, not Starstruck, even a little bit. No, Sophia Lorenz.

She's beautiful person. What was the inner-actualist? Sophia Lorenz. So Vagara is not Sophia Lorenz. It's a very big hit. Yeah, exactly. Sinatra, every time I was with him, I would just kind of just put my head down and go,

Frank Sinatra, man. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I couldn't get over. I just couldn't get over who he was. He was the only one because he was like to me, you know, it's a famous story I told it on a tonight show and it's in a book and that's when we were sitting there. Everybody went inside and I was at a barbecue at Frank's house just one time. I'm sitting there with him. And all of a sudden he goes, hey, Charles, you know, Bronx tells me one of my favorite movies.

I said, thanks Frank. He goes, it was a great movie. I said, thanks Frank. He goes, you know why it was a great movie? And I'm like, why Frank? He goes, because I didn't fucking fall asleep. That's what he said. That's what he said.

So then he goes to me. He goes, and we're talking and having a great time time and he's got a martini with two olives in it Don't I ever tell you this now? So he takes the it takes the toothpick out With the two olives and at the end and he goes chest come on share my olive and I said what he goes God take the olive share with me So I didn't know what he was doing. So I took the olive off the toothpick and he goes you ready? I go yet and we pop the olives in our mouth and he hugs me goes. I didn't know what he was doing. So I took the olive off the toothpick and he goes, you're ready? I go, yeah. And we pop the olives in our mouth and he hugs me and

goes, I love you, man. You're a good kid, you know. You always welcome me to come around. Frank Sinatra. Wow. Whatever. So I said, I said, well, thanks Frank. He goes, come on. Let's go inside. Everybody's waiting for us. I said, oh, we walk inside and everybody's, you know, serving, serving the smog of sport ofish, boiled food. And also, I go up to Don Rickles. Oh my God, Rickles was there with Stephen Edie Gourmet, Don Rickles, Dintero was there, and a couple of, I think Sean Connery was there too. So I walk over there and I go,

His name just come out your mind. Yeah, and I go over there and I go, Hey, I go, what's with this? This, this, I don't what's with this, this, this olive thing, Frank, just never did that before. I mean, what's that about? Right? And I hear a voice behind me go, Frank, shit in olive with you. And I turn around and it's Greg Repek, Greg Repek, the great actor. They were best friends him and Frank. So I said, yeah, what's this, this olive thing? He goes, that's a sign of great

friendship, jazz. The rad pack would share their olives together. They have today drank martinis. And it's a sign of being a bond together. He goes, Frank, did that with you. Welcome to the club. I was blown away. That's incredible. I was blown away. What an experience. How did you handle online? Because sometimes when you go from overnight and now the world knows who you are, that's dramatic. That's not a little bit. You know, how do you manage that?

I just managed it. You know, I just managed it. I'm, look, was it hard? Sometimes, yes. Sometimes you just gotta go, you know, okay, I'm cool. You know, I'll be all right. You know, you just gotta, you know, I, I'm cool. You know, I'll be all right. You just gotta, you know, don't forget, I was 38, 40. So I wasn't a kid.

Anybody who makes it under the age of 30 is insane. So I was already seasoned, but even me, even at my age, it was still like, you know, all of a sudden, you have, you know, all these people want something from you. I always had girls, so I never had girls before. But it's just a constant level of women and money and people. Which saved me. Which saved me was, no, believe me.

Which saved me was I had a beautiful, I met a beautiful girl, my wife, and I got married right around the time Bronx deal was coming out. So people go, my friends, go, what are you crazy? You get married? You want to your mind? And I said, look, man, I've had a lot of pretty girls.

I grew up, I've had a lot of women in my life. Do you believe in the three great women in your life? No question. no question. I believe that, you know. I mean, that's one of my things that that's how I wrote it in. Look, think about it. How many times have you felt, think about it? How well, you know, you guys are younger.

How many times have you felt in love in your life? Think about it. Once? Twice? Twice, sir. Maybe twice? That's it? Three times.

Three times is like, forget forget it you only get three Adams once a week You got to listen to my podcast because I talk about this whole thing about Sandy blue eyes come on no no they come around every 10 years like great fighter But but exactly but here's the thing about that is yes Could you have all the women in the world? But some of the biggest ladies in the world are very lonely. You know, very lonely.

Happiness is marriage and meaning of family. You know, look, is it hard? Yeah, but that's the way life is. Charles, what is the modern day door test? In the movie, you said, you I'm what you're gonna do the test she orders the Uber okay and she goes oh the the morning day the modern day door closes she has to get the automatic thing on the on outside and hit it a few times check your button goes click click click now

there's you have to look at that but now they just but now was social media dating apps I got to tell as as comedians, you know, Don Rickles is as good as it gets and you talked about Frank Sinatra One of the funny stories I ever heard that Don Rickles talking about marriage He's like he was explaining I believe it was the Carson how he fell in love with his wife and I guess he was married for a very long time So he finds this girl. He's manly in love with, and he's begging Frank Sinatra, he's like, Frank, I got this girl. I really want to make it with.

I want to make it with this girl. I told you this story. You want to tell him this story? Yes. He's like, you got to go up to, you want to take the story? Wow. Okay, sure, I mean, yeah, it's fine. He says, Frank, you're the biggest star in the world.

Right. Do me a favor, I'm going to have dinner with this girl, and just come by and say hi. And he's like, I'm not gonna come by. So I'm not gonna do this, don't, Frank. Frank, please, come on, have a little respect. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, help me out here,

I'm fucking Frank Sinatra. Don, listen, I'm not coming over to your table. It's like just leave me alone. Don, please. All right. Okay, Don, Ruckel's the all come. So Frank, shut up. Don't be late, 10 o'clock.

Exactly, he's, he sets it up. I'll be with the girl. And it's all right, okay, Don Reckles, I'll come. So Frank Shudderlock, don't be late, 10 o'clock. Exactly, he sets it up, I'll be with the girl, and it's all right, Frank Sinatra, come over to your table and say hi, and Frank Sinatra comes over to Don Reckles tables. Hey, Don, how you doing? Don goes, Frank, I'm having dinner here. Stop it, you're in fact. What are you doing, interrupting my dinner?

That's him. And that's, he's like, he's set up. He's set Frank Sinatra up. Yeah. You kidding me? No, it's the best down record for him. I could tell you a Rickle stories. He says he goes, you know, Frank's three wives were all named Joanne. Wow.

I didn't know that. He goes, you know Frank, he goes, you know, my Frank picks all he's doing. And he goes, she bastard doesn't want to change the bet. Oh, you know, Jay Carson, Jay Carson. Jay goes, let me tell you something, Chad. Oh, I can go, I can go, I can go. This is Rickles. You know, he was one of a kind by the way.

The Rickles goes to me, he goes, you know, Rickles saved my life. You know. Sinatra says this. No, Rickles is saying Sinatra saved my life. Rickles is telling me. I said, really? He goes, yeah.

I said, I said, Donna, you seriously go save my life. I said, what happened? He goes, 1967, front of Jesus Palace. Three guys stopped beating me over the hill with baseball bats, beating the share out of me. Frank walks out and says, that's enough. That's enough. That's enough.

That's enough. That's enough. That's enough. Jesus, weez, man. And you played Vegas, but you were in Vegas, but how long? Oh, seven years, I was in Vegas. Seven years, man. He goes to me, he goes to me, he goes to Frank Bigg.

He's Frank, he's Frank Solv, Frank Solv, and he goes to Frank Bigg. Frank Solv, big look at him, he whizzed a cross with nobody on it. You know, like, you know, nobody on, I mean, I mean, Rickles is, the first day I day I met him first time I met Don Rickles was a snatchers house The first time I met him I walk in and then arrow introduced because he goes This is Don Rickles and the narrow looks me right fun everybody everybody standing goes hey, just bottom of the tree What a fuck would you be without Robert the narrow? I'll rob it the narrow You have a mount rush more of people that are like icons like obviously Frank Sinatra is there anybody out like is the narrow on that list? Oh, yeah, he was on chas ball materies

Not rush me. Yeah, you know, of course the narrow, you know Greatest act of our generation, you know who knows maybe a little time, I don't know. But, uh, D'Nero, what a great artist, but D'Nero, Sasha, the Italians. No, I mean, yeah, I would say you know they have to be Italians. You know, but- The Asia. The Asia. The Asia.

A brand though. I didn't meet Brando, so I can't, you know, I was supposed to go to his house. I'll never forget it. Sean, Penn asked me, he says, hey, well, I'm meeting with, but Marlon to go to his house. I'll never forget it. Sean Penn asked me, he says, hey, while I'm meeting with Marlon tonight, you want to come. And I was getting on a plane. I should have just turned around

and walked off the damn thing, but I didn't. And I said, no, I'm getting on a plane. And Sean Penn asked you to go to Marlon Brando's house to plan can wait, you know. I should have did it. But let me, let me, I should have done a couple things.

I should have. I'm going to ask two current events. I'm going to ask two current event questions and see what you think about it. Okay. Scarlett Johansson is soon Disney Okay, what it means to Hollywood's future right Scarlett Johansson and Disney are in broil and the legal battle You know, it's not looking pretty, you know because the movie went straight and you know Johansson Also allegedly that Disney's decision to release the film in the current environment robbed their 50 million dollars on box office Similar thing is happening also with the,

what do you call it with the? Many saints of Newark. Yeah, so many saints of Newark, which is like, hey, why are we not going into movies and all this stuff? What is changing about Hollywood right now, especially since COVID? Because a lot of guys are like,

we're not gonna go into theater, we're just gonna stray to streaming service. Yeah. What's changed with Hollywood? Well, it's faster. Instead of just showing it, so the movie runs, well, think about it. How many people are going to see it in the movie? You got to show it at what?

3,000 screens. First of all, that movie wasn't like that. You don't know how many people could see it. But if you see it online and put it out there for the world to see, it's a big difference. But now, but the salary has to act accordingly to that and they didn't catch up. You know, we're not caught up with the media yet. You know, we're not, the big actors have to work it out.

You know, you get, not many people get $20 million to do a movie. You know, it's only a few. Leo does it in Denzel, they get $20 million. But if they're gonna say, you're gonna stream it to the world, and I'm going to say, I give you my 20 million, but then I want a piece of that whole stream. They haven't worked out out yet. Got it.

So that's still being worked. I mean, they'll figure it out. They'll figure it out, but that hasn't been worked out yet. Yeah. Interesting. Who's winning more right now? The studio or the actor? Oh, right now, the actors.

The actors. right now, the student or the actor. Oh, right now the actor. Okay. The actor's because, look, here's the deal. Years ago when I growing up, you had channel two, channel four, channel seven, you know. One of a sudden now, it's a big difference now. Now, they're shaking in their boots because, look, you have your own podcast, you get two million people, three million people.

I have my own podcast, you have subscribers. You have a channel You actually have a channel, you know Patrick has a channel. You guys have a channel, you know PD podcast I said a channel. How many subscribers millions? How many you know many people see the tonight show a million? Maybe a million a half see it every night You know, that's all so So you're out, you're out doing them. So they're shaking in their boots saying, hey, wait a minute, what's going on? Yeah.

A lot of these guys, a lot of these stand up comics, they don't want to go on HBO Netflix. You know what they do? They put their own channel up. Louis C. K. did it. Put his own channel up, signed money. Boom, he gets all the money well back in the day The biggest honor ever were to go on Carson. It was Carson Carson

But you know maybe turn to the letterman and now right it's Rogan right exactly now No, that's the biggest thing get your own channel now. Yeah, so it's changed. It's crazy It's gone towards the artist now the artist's smart is good on through a panel It's a good or bad thing. I think it's a good thing. Okay. I think it's gone towards the artist now. The artist is smart, is good on through a panel. It's a good or bad thing. I think it's a good thing. Kai, I think it's an evolution. I think it's an evolution. I think it's an evolution.

You think you bring up a good point. Whether it's a good or bad thing. It's a thing now. It's not going away. It's not going away. It's here. I mean, Ricky Jerey said, listen, all this stuff with movies, we may as well just give all the trophies to Netflix

because they're taking out. They're taking everything, right? They, one by one, mob movies. Once the last time we had a good mob movie, like something where you can say like a Bronx tale, like a good fellow staff, but because... We haven't had one in a while. Yeah, why do you think?

It's been a while. Well, because it's hard to make a good one, that's hard to make one that hasn't been done before. The parted with Leo and... Yeah, but it's hard to make those, yeah. Excuse me, but it's hard to make those. Yeah. Excuse me, but it's hard to make those movies now. It's hard. People go, I want to see another mom movie, unless it's really great, then they want to see it.

But I think you have to push the envelope and try new different things, you know? I really believe that. That's why I like independent movies. I've always liked independent movies. More people can make movies now for less less money. Yeah, we have a guy in house, Zach Parker produced an independent film I actually wanted the Sundance.

Who's Zach Parker? Hi, I'm Zach. I know, if he watches this, he's gonna be on my joke. Just tell the people where they can see your show. Yeah, the one man show everything. I'm still doing the one man show. If all these you guys, I do it.

If they go to chaspometry.net, still doing the one. I'm sure if all these years I do it You'll think of the child's commentary dot net That is my website you can buy tickets. You could see I'm booked for this this year and next year And I know you guys are gonna come and see me when I'm We're taking a field trip. Do you have any final questions from him on ladies any specific tips because you know Here's a man. He tells us he wants to have a family one. He tells us. I do. How old are you now? I'm 40.

You're 40. You look a lot younger. Thanks, Chaz. I appreciate that. You just made his month. You made his month. Well, here's how you got to look at it. Here's what I tell people.

You know, if you had a job in your middle, a lot of money each week, you made $5,000, $10,000 a week. It's a nice salary. But that $10,000 a week, that whole week, you blew it. You just spent it all. Well, that's just not what I do. Oh, let's just say that money. But let's just say you blew it. You blew it.

But think of the money as its emotions. You blew the $5,000 each week. Boom, you blew it a little. Boom, blew it, blew it, blew it. And at the end of your lifetime, you got no money in the bank. You got nothing but you. But now think of it as emotions if you meet a great woman in each week.

You're putting that money in the bank. What is that money? It's memories. Your children, your wife, your family. And at the end of your lifetime, you're going to have all these riches of a moment. You're not going to, it's not, one guy's going to have no money to bank emotionally, and the other guy's going to be rich emotionally. So when you pass on, which we all will, when you run into that bed and you have a wife

and great kids, that you go, hey man, it's cool. As opposed to just living for pleasure and not happiness. Is it hard? Yes it is. Do I still struggle with it? Yes I do. We just work in progress, that's all we are. But it's the ones who have the discipline,

other ones who in the end are happy. True. You're so cool, Jazzy. I'm gonna tell you. I got to tell you, man. Like watching the way you're relationship, particularly with a UN Genre, it's changed my view on marriage really and I told you guys last night This is not a bit. This is me being for real. I want to be a father. I just I really have no interest in me

I was at this point of life. I just and I know that the keyword right there is at this point Yeah, but the more you don't have to do it at this point Yeah, you know what've never really seen a partnership the way I see a partnership with you guys. And I see it's like the value in that attracts me. You know, the value in having someone that has you back as you get older or attracts you. Because you never really needed that like emotional,

you know, I never needed that sanctuary. I always had my friends, I always had my boys. Now as I'm getting older, man, those guys are coming off, they're starting their own families, and you do feel a little bit more alone, and you can definitely see the value of it, for sure. It's in the DNA, look, here's the deal,

the problem is men are born to procur- procur- No, excuse me. Procure, yeah. And women, men are attracted to aesthetics. No, you see what they are. There's a lot of love spent. You see what they are. With the eyes, see a beautiful woman.

You go, wow. From beautiful women. Women are attracted to power. And that comes from the caveman. You know, they took the biggest caveman, the most handsome caveman, because they want to be with him, because they knew they were gonna eat.

I'm with this guy, I'm eat. This guy's gonna make sure I get fed. I'm trying to put him as consistently the same man and he wants to be with the most beautiful girl. I want to have kids Yeah, and that's in our DNA. That's printed there. So every once in a year married, but you see a beautiful woman you go, oh man Jesus. Oh, oh boy. It takes discipline man. It takes discipline and women, you know, why did you say I see so many beautiful women with ugly guys But they're not thinking about they're thinking of the power. Hey, I'm with this money and the money. Well the money

Yeah, well that's part of the power So but that's an idea and we have to fight that all the time both of us both races women men have to fight all I got both the time and what my husband. Yeah, well, he's a bus driver But she's the other guy's a lawyer. Ma'am, I don't know. You know, it's always this everybody goes through this man. I think what he's trying to tell you is find a Russian woman. I won't talk about that. We won't go there. But we won't go there. Let me tell you, if you guys thought this podcast was fun, which it clearly was dinner last night

Everybody's watching the white other day laughing as hard as their laughing Anyways, thank you for all the stories if you enjoy the podcast go click on chaz's podcast below we got the link below Chai put it in the comment section as well as the chat live chat section if you can Go subscribe to his channel. He's got a bunch of great stories to share with you a ton of it and he explains clips he brings different people there but if you haven't yet subscribed to his channel please do so more short clips will be coming out on our value time in short clip channel having said that chance thank you so much for coming out of being a guest but this was great really

great how do you go on take care all right on our value-taming short-club channel. Having said that, Chaz, thank you so much for coming out of being in the guest. This was great. Really, really great, Chaz. Yes, have a good one. Take care.