PBD Podcast - Chris Cuomo | PBD Podcast | Ep. 289

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Starting point is 00:00:42 I know this life meant for me. Yeah. Why would you plan on gal either we got that David value came in giving values contagious this world on your panels we can't no value that hate is how they run homie look what I become. Okay, so you know a lot of times when you're doing podcasts and you have a show You know you'll warm up the guest and you'll say stuff. You know like a people will say things He like I don't know if this guy really means it or not I am a fan of today's guest So I invited him because I like listening to him. I don't agree with everything he says

Starting point is 00:01:19 But I like listening to him. I like The the history of his family, his father, what they've done. Again, this doesn't mean we have to agree politically, but I like how united the family. So I said, we gotta get the scoundrel podcast. We went back and forth. I don't know how long the team's been going back and forth with Chris.

Starting point is 00:01:38 There's certain people that don't need an introduction because when you think of last names that are prominent last names, prominent families. Cuomo's one of those last names. You don't have to explain who they just say Cuomo, you're either gonna go to a place, you like respect. You know, these are great people. You're gonna go and say, well, I can't believe they did this.

Starting point is 00:01:57 I can't believe it. But you can't say you don't know who they are. Chris has, Adam was joking with them earlier saying, hey, you know, Chris, are you getting nervous with the light? You know, I know it's not the first time he's saying, yeah, I'm totally getting nervous. Chris has been in front of camera for a long, long time and he shines. He's a star. And his latest show right now, Cuomo Hears, Weeknights at 8 p.m. on News Nation.

Starting point is 00:02:19 He's got a YouTube channel. My favorite video on the YouTube channel was when you got your 100,000 the plaque that was sick. That was cool. The Chris Cuomo project and we're going to put all his accounts below. Go subscribe. Go follow us show. But with that being said, we have the one and only Chris Cuomo in the house. How you doing, man? Thank you. Appreciate the opportunity. Of course. Of course. Of course. Chris, let's get after it. Let's get after it. So Chris, you know, we have a lot of things to cover, man. I want to talk to you about your pops. I want to talk to you about, you know, we have a lot of things to cover, man. I want to talk to you about your pops. I want to talk to you about, you know, when he announced

Starting point is 00:02:48 he's running, I did the math. I think you were 23, 24. Your brother was like 36, 37. And what that conversation was like behind closed doors like that, do it, don't do it. I'm not going to do it. I don't want to do it, you know. It's not my job.

Starting point is 00:03:01 If somebody else does job, you know, all this, I will talk about that. We'll talk about some of the stuff that went on with the media and then we'll talk current politics. But I think it's important because Rob, the most controversial thing that we just have to get knocked out of the way. And I think this, there's, there's nothing more controversial than this. Can you pull up the clip where, you know, it was very disturbing video. If you can play this clip I want to get your reaction to it and I got a couple props. I want to bring out Adam has no clue what it is

Starting point is 00:03:30 Tom has no clue what it is Do you know which video the video I texted to you Rob if you have that if you can just pull that up Because we have to get to the bottom here No, no, no, we're not doing a Rick flavor. I think Rob accidentally open up other Windows that I texted him, but this is a video of you with your 100 pound dumbbells, okay? And you're doing these dumbbell presses, you're doing this stuff and you're doing the curls,

Starting point is 00:03:55 you're doing the shoulders, Rogan's talking about it. All these podcasters are talking about it. If you, it'd be a lot better visually, Rob, if we can show it. Okay, there you go. Cow originally responds to Kulinsky. We've had him on the podcast before. Go ahead. Oh, my was releasing videos of himself working out.

Starting point is 00:04:16 Sitting at a desk. 100 pound dumbbells show the presses. Yeah. Now watch this. First of all, and then you got him doing hundreds and then Joe's life Listen to this people are analyzing that like building seven To Robert Obers a legitimate time 300 plus pounds and he's like he would have to be one of the strongest men I've ever seen in my life dude You're a news guy. What are you doing? doing Chris call I will do this but nice there's a bigger point right You do not hurt yourself, man. I'm going to run all off. OK, Chris. All right. What you got?

Starting point is 00:05:06 I will do this, but nice. There's a bigger point, right? Which is clearly it's not a hundred pound dumbbell, right? And in the video, I then handed to one of my staffers and he falls on the ground. And it was a gift from a friend of mine when we were starting the show. And what was interesting to me about it,

Starting point is 00:05:26 I never said anything about it, is the lust for gotchas, and to make something out of nothing, which this is a joke, this is fine. Although I will do this because I backed from no challenge. But I think, look, the point is, the point is, this is the family name. The point is it's easy, it's easy. Sam Cress, this is the family name. The point is as easy as this is.

Starting point is 00:05:45 Damn Chris. Yeah, this is nothing. All day. All day. That's pretty impressive. Yeah. Look at 60s curl. There you go.

Starting point is 00:05:53 OK. That's not the point. The point is not that I'm the strongest man in news. It's that kind of is Chris. Our, no, our lust is for, there's a subheading. Coming after people for gotchas, I think it's a problem. I think it's a real problem. This was a joke, but the desire to link it to, and that's why you can't believe this,

Starting point is 00:06:19 this, this, this. I think it's gotten to be too much of a contagion, but I'm happy to dispel that. Yeah, well that was pretty impressive. Thank you for not having a hunt for this. Yeah, that is not my shoulder would be down here right now. Because I'm actually curl. What can you actually like? What's the most you have a curl dumbbell for 10 times?

Starting point is 00:06:34 Probably that. I don't do arms. Got it. I don't believe, not that I don't believe. I'm old, right? I'm going to be 53. I'm not a practitioner of bodybuilding. I think it's great for works for you.

Starting point is 00:06:47 Enjoy yourself. Be careful. But I'm all functional strength and self-defense. So I don't do a lot of body shaping. 20, 30 years ago, or 17-year-old now, who I call Tarzan, he's all about gains in bodybuilding. You have the core power, protein strength. Seven a day. He know, you have the core power, protein drink, seven a day. He's bankrupting me on core power.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Our biggest heat now. He is beautiful, Mario, 17. My height, you know, he's like our size. He's still coming in to himself. You know, he's still light. So he's always like, I wanna gain weight. How do I gain? I was, believe me.

Starting point is 00:07:23 I was like, life full of... He's 17, dude. 17 dude, life. I'll pull weight on you that you'll never get off. But he is in full flowers, a gorgeous kid. Strong, strong, strong. But that's what I found interesting about it. I can't tell you how many people center right would say to me, especially where I live.

Starting point is 00:07:40 It's a big offshore fishing community. I'm a Coast Guard captain. I fish a ton, say, what was up with the dumbbell? What was up with the dumbbell? You know, these like almost they become conspiratorial. And it's sad to me, because it shows how fragile we are in terms of how much we want to trust one another.

Starting point is 00:07:58 But anyway, thank you for that. So it's good to get good. That could go for both sides. I mean both sides. Oh, I'm pretty sure. What I am impressed with, the dumbbell thing. But yes, while we were going to, next time we have, if we have Tucker on, we'll bring some dumbbells out as well

Starting point is 00:08:13 to see what he goes. He would be the dumbbell. So how do you fix something? I don't think Tucker's curling 50s, man. Yeah, but the point is, you know what, as your boy PBD didn't do it either. He can knock those things out. You wanted to do it 60s? No, I don't. I took that do it either. Oh, he can knock those things out. I'm not saying it to the 60s.

Starting point is 00:08:25 No, I don't. I took that as a challenge. Oh, PBD, don't. And he called you out. I'm just saying. PBD, that's a call out right now. I don't know how this guy operates. You call this guy out, he goes for it.

Starting point is 00:08:34 That's what BHP's all about. Yeah, PBD, please do not pull a muscle right now. The show is over. If it does. Oh, by the way, he's one up in you, Cuomo. He's going 60s. I did the 60s. Oh, by the way, he's one up in you, Cuomo. He's going 60s. I did the 60s. Oh, you did that, okay, am I bad?

Starting point is 00:08:49 Jesus, P.B. That was good. That was all right. I think if you're gonna do negatives for you, yeah, I got this. That was impressive. I haven't done this for a long time. I thought we were talking news politics.

Starting point is 00:09:02 It's like a bro down right now. Well, I like it. I noticed you're staying in the chair also. Yeah, I'm just going to kind of keep it cool. I can do one. I'll do one. Don't hurt yourself, though. Not so she's that.

Starting point is 00:09:12 OK. That's not bad. Tom, are you going to skip this one? No, when we do the mental weight lifting, I'm up. So we do the mental weight lifting. OK, I go to the bathroom now. So respect to you. Respect to you, Chris I have a bathroom now. So respect you. Respect to you, Chris.

Starting point is 00:09:26 How are things? How are you doing? How are things with you? Obviously, you know, we follow the story. You know, when you make comments, you know, you're going through one day, you're the guy every day, we're listening to you in the next day. Pulling announcement comes out, but how are you doing right now? I appreciate you asking.

Starting point is 00:09:44 The things that matter most are good, right? Families healthy, everything's stable, very traumatic period. Everybody goes through something in life and people have gone through a lot worse than the Cuomo's. But, you know, sudden disruptive negative forces in life have to be dealt with. And they take time.

Starting point is 00:10:07 And you just have to make sure that you protect what matters most. I lost a little control of that. I've never seen the media chase after someone in the media, the way they were with me and the aftermath of that. My brother, I guess, was like better at hiding. Like they couldn't find him the way. So they were, but like, six, seven, eight cars of paparazzi. Following my house, following my kids, harassing my wife, harassing my kids, you know, all

Starting point is 00:10:36 the tabloid junk and lies. I just wasn't used to it being put on me. You know, we don't usually care about people in the media that much, but I guess there was something a little transcendent about the family. And you deal with it. We have the benefit of perspective. Being in this business, I've seen so many people come through so many horrible things that this was really nothing. And that perspective helped. I then had a real issue

Starting point is 00:11:05 with what to do because my concern was, well, what job would I get that to me would be growth in the business? I had a very good run of doing different things. So then I came down the point of purpose about why I do it, which is why the podcast is a lot more about what I think is a very relatable sense of how we very rarely talk about the most transferable experience in our lives,

Starting point is 00:11:34 which is struggle. Everybody struggles. You struggle with your health, you struggle with your finances, you're going to struggle. And we don't talk about it a lot because we see it as weakness. We don't talk about emotional struggle because we see it as weakness, especially men. So I just made a decision that if I'm going to do this and deal with all that comes with it, I should do something that I believe is truly going to help. In a way that at least matters to me. So you imagine the dumbbell

Starting point is 00:12:08 BS times a million and that's what you get when you talk about feelings of depression or insecurity or how to struggle. People immediately in the media if you are sensitive or vulnerable, you get attacked for your vulnerability, which is why so many people stay quiet, especially when they're having struggles. They stay quiet because they don't want the stigma, they don't want to be seen as less than they don't want to attack. My feeling was, what else are they gonna say at this point?

Starting point is 00:12:43 If I think it's gonna to be helpful to people, I want to talk about things. People in my life say, well, careful on the, you talk to a therapist thing, because people are going to think you're crazy. And I said, well, maybe they're right. I said, but the point is, that's exactly why you do it. You do it because it's such a great tool in my life.

Starting point is 00:13:02 This guy's become like a life coach for me. Funny story for you guys. My therapist started out as a couples therapist. And after that first wave of couples therapy where the husband traditionally takes the beating, they both decided, yeah, because you know, they both decided about couples retreat is what I think.

Starting point is 00:13:22 I don't know, but I've seen the movie couple treat. The both of them decided that my wife didn't have to be there anymore. Honey, I'm gonna be a while. So he became my therapist, and he's been my therapist for a long time. He's like a life coach. Best tool I have a whole new one.

Starting point is 00:13:38 So he won you over. He won you over as a one-on-one. You wanna spend time with him. I believed him. I do believe him that he said, look, if you want things to work in your life, you have to do everything you can to work on yourself and make accommodations everywhere that you can.

Starting point is 00:13:55 And that is a skill set. And it's great to be a natural fighter and to be great with confrontation. It has limited applications in your personal life. You know, you don't want to take on every argument. If you want to stay married or you want to be a good parent, you got to learn how to shut your mouth and listen and let things play out.

Starting point is 00:14:16 And I was never really good at that before I started that process. And then when I went through the down, he said to me, you know, it seems to me that we keep coming back to a similar cycle of emotions for you. And I think that you're having a hard time regulating how you feel about these things. And I would like to try after we've talked this out for a while, I'd like to try you on an anti-depressant and see if it helps you with your kind of balance

Starting point is 00:14:50 of how you're feeling. Because I would have like big lows, like, you know, I'll never be what I was, look what I did, the family, I'm getting attacked for helping my brother, I didn't even really help him. You know what I mean? Because look at the situation he's in, so it's like, I failed, I failed, I failed, I failed.

Starting point is 00:15:04 And so then I was like, okay, you know, let's take it, give me all of it. I want, you know, I want all the smoke. And he was like, no, it's not how these works. We start with a small dose. I was like, no, no, no, no, I'll take the big dose. Whatever the big dose is, I want the big dose. And obviously I learned about how it really works.

Starting point is 00:15:23 And I was like, you know, I should talk about this because he said, you know, a lot of people won't go on medication because of the stigma. And then I'm in this training course for this Coast Guard certification. And they're talking about how you're gonna have a P test, you know, in a drug test, all that stuff, all the protocol. And I say, hey, what about if you're on like medication?

Starting point is 00:15:43 Do we have to list that stuff? And the guy's a great guy who did the course and he was like, what do you mean? Like crazy pills? Or something like that? And I was like, yeah, like crazy pills. What if you're on that? And I was laughing when I said it

Starting point is 00:15:54 because there's no shame, I have no shame in my game. I know who I am, I know who I'm not. Did you know, we talked before the show, because I saw your Kanye West interview. Yeah. And you kept reverting back number one, because I saw your Kanye West interview. Yeah. And you kept reverting back, number one, you called them Kanye West multiple times. It's yay, it's yay.

Starting point is 00:16:10 I didn't even know you to change his name. Right. And you kept addressing, not only the anti-Semitism stuff, you're like, are you addressing your mental health and you were very open, you're like, listen, I take my depression meds every day. Right. You leaned into it. Well, but I, you're like, listen, I take my depression meds every day. You leaned into it.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Well, but I think it's like, you know, we're living a lie here that it's an exception. You know, depression is, by most people's calculus, a leading illness and diagnosis in our country. My concern with Ye, and he called into the show, I didn't know that was gonna happen. I don't like putting people in distress on television. One of the biggest opportunities I missed in my career

Starting point is 00:16:52 was when Charlie Sheen was all the rage about the Tigers' blood and winning. I had common friends with him, and there was no question, and again, no disrespect to him, because I don't think talking about somebody's health is really anyone's business, but they were clearly stability issues there that had to be so I wasn't gonna put that on TV because I felt it was coming from

Starting point is 00:17:25 sober mind and that's dangerous in terms of discounting somebody's illness and it creates a baseline for what's okay to scrutinize that I don't agree with. Anyway, the short answer is everything that matters is okay. And I'm excited about building something at news nation. I've never done that before. You look like you're having fun, which is very good. When I see your podcast stuff, it looks like you're having fun with your YouTube channel. The YouTube channel podcast is new for me. It's the only thing I've ever done professionally that is only what I want it to be.

Starting point is 00:18:05 You know, I pay for all of it. I just started doing ads, which happen to be my favorite part of it. I've never done an ad in my life. But live reads. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, it's not the performance of it. That's all easy.

Starting point is 00:18:17 But if I like it, I say, yeah. Like, you know, the age of living green things. The agey one stuff, I mean, really, it works for me. I'm a huge supplement guy, and it's really hard to get the mixes right, and what your body's actually gonna absorb and not, and what makes a difference, you know, like gut health, inflammation, all these things that like, be set ethnic bloodlines,

Starting point is 00:18:39 I'm into it, so it works for me, so I'll say it. So I get a lot of offers for advertisers where I just like, well, this sounds like a bullshit thing, you know, so I'm not gonna use it, I so I'll say it. So I get a lot of offers for advertisers where I just like, well, this sounds like a bullshit thing. You know, so I'm not gonna use it. I'm not gonna say it. So have you done man's scape yet? Have they reached out to you yet? Because they're gonna reach out if they haven't.

Starting point is 00:18:52 They're not gonna, first of all, no. This is a very important question. I son has a man's scaping kit that I got him. So there you go. Um, because he is, he is, his game is strong. I am like, I am like a drop gene Italian. I am one of the most hairless at time like them. You know the Mexican hairless Chihuahua.

Starting point is 00:19:13 I am that version of an Italian. Yeah, you don't have any arm hair going on here. I know there had more of a mustache than I have. Nice. By the way, real quick shout out to our sponsor today, Manscay, we've, we've, let him just came. No, no, no, we're not doing no masculine. No, no, no, no, no. By the way, you've done shout out to our sponsor today, Manscai, we've just came. No, no, no, we're not doing no masculine. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:19:26 By the way, you've done it before. You've done Manscai. Yes. I want to follow up on some of the questions here with you. So you're saying, you know, I'm going through this. You know, how sometimes you talk to people like, look, 38 years old, I've never had any allergies. And in all of a sudden, I got this allergy.

Starting point is 00:19:40 I never thought I had a allergy to this allergy to that. The other day, Vinnie is having shrimp, his lip becomes like this ridiculous lip. And everybody thought it was a prop and it was his lip. It was a good reaction. But he's 44 years old. He's got this lip. And so was, did you have a track record in the past of being depressed or going through this before?

Starting point is 00:20:04 Or was this like, what's this all about? I'm a tough guy, I can handle something like this. Or was it like, man, I'm tough on the outside, man, deep down inside, I got some insecurities and I've been hiding it very well and people don't know about the fact that I'm afraid of this or shadowed this or that can I be the man that I want to be? What was it for you? I think that it's a great question, by the way. And I think that there is a tendency to confuse personality with your chemical balance, right? And one, there's certainly correlation. But my obvious, and you know, I'm very blessed with a lot of very long-time friends who will say to you, oh no, this guy said,

Starting point is 00:20:47 problems, it's a matter of. But personality flaws aside, I had never, this is really the truth. Here's what really knocked me sideways. I did not see this coming. I knew the moment that I had my brother on during the pandemic. I was going to pay a price. And anyone who's around me remembers me saying it.

Starting point is 00:21:07 Remembers me saying it to my brother. When he was, you know, Captain COVID and the love gov and all this stuff, I said enjoy this because there is an immutable reality in media. You told him this. Oh yeah, if you are going this way, you are going to go this way. And I said it to him, my brother is friendly

Starting point is 00:21:27 and more than collegial with Governor Christie. And when Governor Christie was having his first love up, you know, you remember that when he was like the New Giuliani and he was tough and all this. Before the bridge. I would say to Andrew, listen, it's an immutable truth in media. If they're looking for reasons to bring you up, they're going to look for reasons to bring you down.

Starting point is 00:21:50 And if circumstances allow, it's going to happen. We saw it happen there. Happened with Andrew. I did not anticipate how it happened with Andrew, but I knew I would pay a price for having him on because it was an obvious conflict. Now, the reason that I was okay with it was one, my boss really wanted it. Jeff Sookir? Yeah, and I don't think he made the wrong call, by the way.

Starting point is 00:22:14 But I knew that the media would say, well, you're having your family on. The interesting thing was always the disconnect between the PBDs of the world and the journalists of the world. I have been in the business a long time. I've world and the journalists of the world. I have been in the business a long time. I've won almost every piece of loosite they give out in television journalism.

Starting point is 00:22:32 I've never had people thank me for anything in terms of the value of work as they did for the work with my brother and when I was sick. It's not even a close contest. The number one thing that people say to me when they see me is, thank you for how you help my family during COVID, thank you.

Starting point is 00:22:51 Nothing else even comes close. So because I knew that that was the feedback of people saying, I'm so afraid of so and so getting sick, I got this old person, I got this immune compromised person. Thanks for letting us know what it's like to have it. I was okay with it, but I knew I'd pay a price. I just couldn't have anticipated what took my brother down and the opportunity the media would have to scrutinize me.

Starting point is 00:23:17 I didn't see it coming. And as a result, when it came, something I'd always defined myself as, which is really good at anticipating what's going to come and how, with the media and politics, I was kind of blindsided by it. And everything that was said about me didn't make sense. It seemed like this is, I don't know how you could believe this. This can't be true. You may not like that I helped my brother.

Starting point is 00:23:44 You may not like that I had him on TV. You may think it was a sin of journalism. But obviously, it was what my boss was okay with otherwise it wouldn't have been on TV. And I never lied about helping my brother. I told the audience, the audience got it. Nobody expected me to objectively cover my brother. I never did.

Starting point is 00:24:03 My interviews with him weren't accountability interviews. Nobody would accept that. I'm obviously more than who's this. And you know, he was just wrong about all of that, but that's okay. But that's, look, it was what people, I felt were really benefiting from in that moment of the familiarity of it.

Starting point is 00:24:18 I just didn't see it coming. So, you know, Patrick, when you don't see something coming, it is much more damaging. You know what I mean? So like, the hook can be half as powerful as what your jaw can take, but if you didn't see the hook coming, terrible. It's destabilizing as much as it is injurious.

Starting point is 00:24:37 So that's what it was for me. I didn't see it. And it gave me an opportunity that, I don't wish on anybody, but it was really helpful. I got a good chance to go back to zero of everything that you had that you may have valued is gone. So now what do you really value? What do you really want to do?

Starting point is 00:24:59 What do you really want to be about because you're starting over at 50 something, whatever I was at the time, 51, whatever. And that's not easy. I don't wish that on somebody, but I believe very much that there are no problems in life. There are opportunities. They can suck. They can be great. They're still about what you make out of them. I want to go back to the question.

Starting point is 00:25:22 I want to go because this is a question I want to ask. So, in this setting, your dad is going to be a little bit more than you. They're still about what you make of them. I want to go back to the question. I want to go because this is a question I want to ask so yeah, so in this setting Your your dad is a Beloved admired respected even when he called out as opponents He would say well, you know mr. Such-and-Such has these views but my views are this it wasn't what politics is today was a no Very class. He was the Reagan of the other side is the way i would put it we lost in politics today

Starting point is 00:25:48 yeah he would be law in a positive way or in known a negative way he'd be lost oh he indivision would understand how you can say not pbd but you that how an opponent alright i disagree with your tax policy. I disagree with your immigration policy.

Starting point is 00:26:06 Let's get something a little bit more visceral, okay? But I get it, you know, your first generation American, so I'll give you a little bit of a break, but you're a bad guy who wants to see my daughters be raped and is a, my father wouldn't have known how to, he would have had to fight, you know, and he would have been like, oh, you just said I want your daughter to get raped,

Starting point is 00:26:23 we have to fight, because he wouldn't have understood that level of insult that is just divorced and devoid from any sense of reason. So what, you don't want to argue in my position, you just told me that I don't care about your, your child. That's not who he was. That's all our politics is now, which is, you know, it can't be that Bobby Kennedy Jr., who, look, I haven't been interviewing him, people say I'm afraid of him.

Starting point is 00:26:48 My brother was married to a sister for a long time. They got three beautiful kids. Very Kennedy. Yeah, I care about her. I care about him. I've known Bobby most of my life. And I wish him well. But the last thing I need is to get hit in the head with another stick of conflict.

Starting point is 00:27:02 So that's all it is. I've talked to Bobby about what he's doing in his campaign. It's not that Bobby Jr. should be called crazy, unstable. It's the vestiges of addiction. He's this. He's a measuring candidate. It's judge's positions. All right. If you don't like what he says on this, tell me why. I don't want to hear you character analysis of everybody that you disagree with. That's where we are now. And we're there because it works better.

Starting point is 00:27:31 That's why. But when you describe your dad, to Armenians, when I first came to America, I'm Armenian Assyrian. You know, when they say, hey, you're such a motherfuckin, you say that to an Armenian, they're thinking you're saying you wanna screw their mom's like, wait a minute,

Starting point is 00:27:44 what did you just say? So you have to to fight them right? It's a literal mindset like it's we take it literally You don't talk to me like that so I can see what your time with your dad being old school and it's old school But also that's how it was I remember a situation so he is in a budget battle that was like existential okay With the head of the New York State Senate who was another Italian guy. He has him over the governor's mansion, right? They open a bottle of wine, and I know it sounds, you know, stereotypical, but whatever, this is what happened. And they, Ralph Moreno, they are going at it, okay? But it is no, your mother, this, you know, or you know, you're a pedophile,

Starting point is 00:28:27 that or anything crazy like that. It's, Marino wanted to make a deal. My father, in truth, my father was a gifted speaker or a raider. He could capture people's imagination. He was not a great politician. He was not a great deal maker.

Starting point is 00:28:45 You know, he was, I know what I want to do is right. What you want to do is wrong. So, you know, I think my brother actually has much better political skills of understanding where a midpoint will be sooner than my father did. But they made it, they made an accommodation for each other. They saw each other as both coming from a good place of what they wanted.

Starting point is 00:29:04 They did not agree on how, but they would figure something out. That does not happen now, because it is enough for you to say you have to stop Cuomo. Forget about what I'm gonna do. Forget about what you're gonna do. Forget about your position. Forget about whether it works. Forget about whether it's reasonable.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Forget about any of that. I have to stop this guy guy because he's a danger. He should frighten you. And you wonder why it's a battle to the bottom. That's why. When did this change Chris? Because what you're talking about this is the 80s? Okay, let me do this before we go on to change. This question I still haven't gotten answered. I really want to understand this part as a father of two sons. So for me this is what I want to understand. So I asked the question depression wise. Had you in the past had a friend of me. Okay so that's so that's a no. So this all of a sudden happy like I was caught off guard. So yeah

Starting point is 00:29:53 okay. So then the question would be on this topic before we move on to the next because you said so much man you talk. I'm sorry I don't mean to know I'm this. This is along from along podcasts, which produces more content. The you talk about COVID, how you've never had anybody come to you the way they do in the COVID situation, your brother, when he was limelight every day, we thought he's gonna be the next president. I got questions there and I got a couple other things

Starting point is 00:30:16 you talked about, podcasts TV. But the question I wanna ask is, your dad is Mario Cuomo, gives the speech I want to say 84, and he has a moment like Obama has an O4, 20 years apart, give or take. And in all of a sense, like this is the guy, and not only the guy that's gonna be a governor, he's gonna be the first Italian president, you know,

Starting point is 00:30:38 et cetera, et cetera, he's got the swag, he's got confidence, he can negotiate beyond closed doors, then it doesn't happen. Was there ever from your father's style of leading you and your brother and raising you guys? Did you ever feel there was a shadow there of him as well as your brother because your father became a two-term? Your brother became a two three-term. I'm sorry. He also ran for four my apologies. He was a three-term Your brother was a two-term. You're the guy that's a star on TV. Everyone knows that last in Cuomo,

Starting point is 00:31:08 was there any element of a shadow from pops or if not, what did he do to not create a shadow type of an environment? The answer is gonna be very different based on the brother, right? Andrew is in political life. He believes in the marrow of his bones that whatever comes with public service is worth it. I would not be surprised if he decides

Starting point is 00:31:34 to get back into elected office. I do not, I worry about that as his brother and someone who loves him and someone who feels that he's given enough and dealt with enough. I've actually felt like that for a long time. But he just believes that this is the best way to help, and that's all pop was about. Is there a shadow? I would reverse the metaphor and say, I think that there's a glow.

Starting point is 00:31:58 You know, you don't have to agree with my father's politics. I didn't agree with some of my father's politics. That's okay. But he was a good man who did things for the right reasons. And I love that. I am privileged by that. I am very proud of my family name. I'm proud of what my mother has done and my sisters.

Starting point is 00:32:24 I mean, they're the really talented people in the family. We just talk. Andrew actually does public service, proud of him, proud of how he's handled this situation. But so it wasn't shadow, it was shine and it compelled Andrew to want to do the same kind of work. It caused reaction formation in me where I would never do that kind of work. You would never do. I would never really go into elected office. Why is that?

Starting point is 00:32:53 Too hard on me and my family as kids. Too much exposure to things that you don't control, that you don't deserve, that you're not responsible for too much ugly compromise. Too much having to smile and shake hands with someone that you know doesn't deserve it, because you believe in a greater good. Too much money and the need for money, even what we're seeing with Biden right now. The best thing he has going for him

Starting point is 00:33:27 is that the DNC has fundraised competition out of the picture. So they know they can't match the ads. And ads are what, five, seven to one negative to positive, which means I'm constantly burying PBD under something that may or may not be true, but it's getting a lot of time. That's the best thing he is going for him. My father hated it.

Starting point is 00:33:49 The worst thing you could do is give money to my father and then ever want to meet with him again, you know, because he was like, no, I can't. If you hadn't donated, P.B., I would have talked to you about what you're doing with value payment. I think we could help you here in New York. Now I can't talk to you. So he was different, but it was shine, not shadow. And Andrew and I came to very different conclusions.

Starting point is 00:34:12 I respect his. It's stronger. There's more grit and goodness in the decisions he's made than I have, but I'm okay with that. And that is another reason that I got knocks on sideways. So that here I am saying, I made a decision that, of course, I'm public facing. And of course, but I didn't think I'd set my kids up to pay the price that they wound up paying because of me.

Starting point is 00:34:37 And it killed me. It killed me. The reason, you know, this stupid video that is out there of me of Shelter Island where these three guys, they make it look like a one, but it was three coming at me about Call of Me Frado. Here's what bothered me about that. One, and I'm sure you can agree with this. In front of your nine-year-old daughter, somebody calls you something that is offensive to you as an a Syrian or a media. Okay? They say it to your daughter. Okay? Now you tell me if all that follows is a conversation. So first of all, they leave that part out. The media left it out. Why? Didn't serve their purpose? Yeah. They wanted me to be a big Italian hot head,

Starting point is 00:35:19 you know, Muslim, who wanted to beat up this one little guy. It was three good-sized guys who stopped a nine-year-old girl and said, hey, you think Frato will take a picture with us. Now, she didn't know what they were saying. Yeah, the edited narrative strikes again. But I then talked to them. Yeah, I was cursing. And I knew he had the camera out. I'm not a fool, you know.

Starting point is 00:35:39 But I didn't care because I thought the point mattered. Now, I'll tell you something. Couple years later, Rob, can you pull up the video? Yeah, go ahead. Just some people can see what now tell you something couple years later rock you pull up the video yeah go ahead some people can see what it was a couple years later I'm at a restaurant and I see this young woman looking at me kind of weird I kind of look over look back on with the bloody of mine and all the sudden I see this guy stand next to her, which is one of these guys. One of the three of you. And he comes over and he's like,

Starting point is 00:36:07 hey, I just wanna say I'm really sorry about that. I didn't know it was gonna go that way. I didn't know that. I didn't really recognize him at the time, but then I did it. And I shook his hand, I said, you know what? You don't have to apologize. The situation was ultimately on me.

Starting point is 00:36:19 I'm the adult, I'm the TV guy. I should have known what was gonna happen, but I just didn't give a shit. Because at some point, there has to be decency, and people will say, you're talking about decency, you were threatened about, you know the difference between me saying, I'm gonna do something to you and me doing it.

Starting point is 00:36:35 That is a grace, okay, that I'm gonna tell you what I should do to you, but I'm not doing it. That is a grace, okay? And I thought it was an accommodation. I was actually proud of myself. I actually called CNN and told them that this happened right after it because I was like, but I didn't touch anybody. I didn't touch anybody. One of the guys put his hand on me and I said, I'm telling you, take your hand off me. And I gave him the warning. He took the warning. But I understand why I blew up on my face, especially when the former

Starting point is 00:37:05 president decided to weaponize it and use it against me as if I was the threat, not him. But in context, the kid, saying it to the kid, is just too much for you saying this, Rob, if you can go, just show five seconds of it, just show five seconds of it, whatever, with a little bit of audio, Ilana, if we can go just show five seconds of it, just show five seconds of it, whatever with a little bit of audio, a lot of we can go. You don't see my daughter. Yeah. You don't hear the part where I say you say that to a nine year old. I thought that's the where.

Starting point is 00:37:33 No, Mark asked bitches from the right call me Frado. Yeah. My name is Chris Paul. He said, I thought that's who you are. You're my you. You thought my name was Frado. Yeah. You can pause this.

Starting point is 00:37:42 So we're in the back. Let me tell you what's going on in the back. So we're going through all the stories. Are we bringing this up? Are we bringing that up? What's the last thing I said? What did we talk about at the end? You're like, yeah, I don't want to bring that up.

Starting point is 00:37:53 I don't care about bringing this up. Yeah, it's okay. So you brought it up. But let me tell you what I did say. I say, you know, somebody, and you asked the question, I think, said, hey, if somebody comes and says, what would you say, I said, do it? Probably a very similar reaction, if you're're gonna try to do something with my family. But believe it or not, this did nothing for me.

Starting point is 00:38:08 I think Trump's just an opportunist, he saw it, boom, capitalize, run with it. But what Trump was in my problem, look, I have known the former president most of my adult life. Sure, my mother and his mother went to the same beauty parlor. Okay, you're a woman. Yeah, and it's the idea that I have a personal animus same beauty, Pauler. Okay. Wow. You're a woman. Yeah. And it's the idea that I have a personal, animus towards a former president is just simply

Starting point is 00:38:31 untrue. I don't like that he made me a personal target because it affected my kids and I live in a Trumpy place. So I didn't need that. He could just judge the work. I always had them on i always offered him interviews people would hate me

Starting point is 00:38:49 forgiving him and he would come to you he did for a while and then he did and that's okay also uh... he would continue to contact me after uh... that complaining about cnn whatever it was and i would be a fair broker to him to tell them why it was in who it was i would have his supporters on. I was the only show at CNN or certainly this show at CNN the most who had on Trump supporters.

Starting point is 00:39:11 Always. And I've done it at News Nation also because I believe in more dialogue, not less. I believe that if you have an idea that I don't like, I don't censor your idea. Make the case. Let me test the case, try to disagree with decency. Don't let it get personal. And if you make it personal, call out that you're making it.

Starting point is 00:39:30 Now you're making it personal. And that's a sign of a weak argument. And I've always done that. So I don't have a personal animus against him. I'm not surprised. He did that. That was the right play. They're saying that you're a tough guy

Starting point is 00:39:43 and that you're making people angry. Look at your boy. I get the play. What I didn't like was that my brothers and sisters in the media ignored the context and allowed me to be displayed as something that I'm really not. But look, that's the price. You want to be in the media. This is the price. Don't complain. So I didn't complain as a kid when you were a kid because you said something I don't want to get into Paula typically sometimes You know how a family of like a general recrystal as a four star, but as that was a two-star The other person was a two like you're like, oh, okay, I kind of got to do it And there's typically that one kid's like dude. I want to have nothing to do it

Starting point is 00:40:18 Yeah, put me out of that shit. I don't want to go in the military. I don't want to go into Hollywood I don't want to go into this. I don't want to go into that So was it how they treated your dad? You're like, I don't want to go in the military. I don't want to go into Hollywood. I don't want to go into this. I don't want to go into that. So was it how they treated your dad? You're like, I don't want to do this part. Was it the element of, hey, Chris in school when they asked you this, you can't say that. You know, in school that would come out,

Starting point is 00:40:36 I can't believe your dad is a this, your dad is a that, is it that element? Well, you're like, I just don't want to deal with this. A little bit, okay. You know, as you, and you can identify, I don't know your guys' backgrounds the same way. But my father and his family had such a mens pride that he could be in the position that he was. You know, his parents were illiterate.

Starting point is 00:40:57 And I don't say that in salt and they just didn't have the opportunity. So for him to be this, to serve, and to be able to be a voice, and let alone such an eloquent voice, you know? I mean, your mother and father are struggling to put together a phrase in English, and you were one of the best wordsmiths of your generation, the pride and the service. There was no shame, there was nothing but what an amazing opportunity, what a privilege. And so I ever always took whatever came with it that way, one funny story. My father, so we're in Hollis, right?

Starting point is 00:41:31 My father becomes governor, whatever that means, because I didn't really know what he did. You know, I'm 12 years old, you know? So I mean, I knew he was Lieutenant Governor, I don't know what that means, it was a guy in a car, he leaked. And it was the way a lot my father worked. My father worked first, second, and third.

Starting point is 00:41:49 His priority was the gig, because he felt that was the service to give back because of what his family, the opportunity has family had been given here. And very ethnically diverse place, very tough place, not like the hood or anything, but it was a place where any of the things that our kids exist and today didn't exist where I was there. Somebody came up to you and talked shit to you where I would yeah, I had to defend yourself, I was never gonna end.

Starting point is 00:42:11 So when my father became governor, all of a sudden, I got hit with like one of the worst things that could be said about you where I grew up, which was Sky thinks who he is now. And I didn't even know what I was what does that mean, Who am I, exactly? But that's not how it worked. So one day I'm getting chased from the bus stop back to my grandmother's house. I spent a lot of time with my father's parents

Starting point is 00:42:35 once he got into politics, because nobody was home. So I, you know, I stayed with my grandparents around the corner. And my grandmother is sitting at the front door of her house. And I'm running away from like three kids, four kids, I don't know. And I run up the stairs to her house, and she sees the kids chasing me and goes,

Starting point is 00:42:57 kick on the screen door. Lock you out? Yeah, and she goes, you're kidding me. I got it. So I turn around. I wanted you to fight them. Yeah, and she goes You're kidding me So I turn around and wanted you to fight them. Yeah, she said you know, she just went like this And pointed at them and then like on the front lawn right in front of there was like me and these three guys kind of rolling around for a little bit and then And you remember this vividly. Yeah. Yeah, I always tend to remember an ass beating and

Starting point is 00:43:24 you remember this vividly yeah yeah I always tend to remember an ass beating and thanks great she was like you don't run away from your problems and she was right you don't run away from your problems you may lose you may lose they're going to respect the fact that you face them and what do they do they don't do you respect yourself I 100% absolutely the question here before we move on mom and dad married 60 plus years yeah and you know I asked Robert RFK years ago when we did the first interview tell me about the values at night You know what it was like at dinner table et cetera et cetera

Starting point is 00:43:53 I asked President Bushman. We had him once. I'm like hey, what was it like? You know what was family like? What was your grandfather? You know whether it's you know, did you guys have certain rituals traditions? You know what you guys did? What was you know your at dinner mom that's sitting at the dinner that that was at least home because he's always a way working but when you guys were at dinner what were some values your dad or your mom passed down to you what was conversation like did he bring up politics did he bring up real issues hey Chris what do you think about this? Hey, what do you think about that?

Starting point is 00:44:25 I know you and your brother's age difference is 13, so I don't know if that would happen a lot. But what values and principles did he pass on to you? The picture tells you everything, although every one of my siblings will hate that you're using that picture. Family, family. It was all the typical travails of family.

Starting point is 00:44:44 I was the only one in that family that had parents who had the ability to pay for any of my education. Andrew worked his way through college and law school. Margaret, the oldest, all scholarships. They were all amazing students. You know, money for school, loans for school, you know,

Starting point is 00:45:08 local colleges, I was the only one who went away for school. So I had a better family setting than they did. It was much more middle class for them. And family, you don't have to like each other all the time. You're not going to like each other all the time. You are there and if there's trouble, you're there. There is no why. There is no go and my siblings have always been there for me no matter what it is. There's never discussion until after. And then you'll have a discussion about what they helped you with or out of. But it was a very traditional Italian Catholic queens, you know,

Starting point is 00:45:56 life where what my father worried about were the simple things. There was no high-minded, you know, do you think we should be a democratic republic or do you think that there should have been something? There was not law of these stuff. He certainly thought and read and wrote about that stuff himself. But it was simple. How you doing in school, you know, him taking an assessment of whether you're talking back to anybody around, which wasn't going to happen in my family too. It was you know it was just a different time. You know, you know, but he joked with you guys was you always serious. My father was serious. Okay. So my father was very funny. Um he could get hot very fast.

Starting point is 00:46:36 Um so but again it was a different time. You know I wasn't trashed. I wasn't talking back to my father anyway. You, I mean the way our kids are today You know, the the upside is they feel a safety and a security around me where they can say whatever it is About me and not worry about it. I'm gonna say hot. What do you ever hit you? No, you would get upset. Okay. About what it was this picture right here. Is that your brother all the way to the right? Yeah, he's not gonna like like this that's what this he looks like I mean he looks like a guy as sopranos character right there and that's you by the way so I am as my mother used to say now she's 90 you know

Starting point is 00:47:18 something although I don't know why she's sensitive about that I was like once you're 90 why do you want people not to know you're really anyway she's in her 90s and now she just says, oh yeah, it was a complete surprise. She used to say I was a blessing back in the day. I'm 16 years from my oldest sibling, 13 from Andrew. And you're, look, you're what three years old in that picture? I am probably like eight or something seven eight And I'm much younger than my other siblings. Andrew was like a father to me, which is another important thing to understand about my level of dedication.

Starting point is 00:47:51 Yeah. To you. Yeah. He is, you know, especially with Pop Gone. I never looked outside my own family for a male role model. So, you know, whatever it is that I know and that I do was either taught by or figured out in reaction to

Starting point is 00:48:14 what I saw in those two guys. So the idea of any kind of subjective process as to whether or not I'm there for them, misunderstands the nature of my family and my upbringing, you know. So let's go to that. Let's go to that with, you know, you're saying while you're working at, you know, the pressure and all of a sudden I'm thinking I'm helping my brother out but I failed.

Starting point is 00:48:38 I actually didn't end up helping him out. I thought I was doing good. I done all of a sudden I get fired and I don't know what's going on. So the stories we read about, that's public. Behind closed doors, he was helping him with what to say and what not to say. Had a handle the media, but then you knew what was going on here. Some of that stuff went from the outside we see. And I think about if my sons are going through it, I think we had this debate in our

Starting point is 00:49:05 a prep meeting yesterday. It was a yesterday or Thursday. I don't know where to pray. We're doing it yesterday. Yeah. And I said, so let me get to straight. So if my my son doesn't protect the other son, they would have a problem with me if you didn't back each other up. Right. So that part of it. Now, gamesmanship, there's another thing where if I know Chris's brother is going through what he's going through, I'm not a fool to know your loyalty is going to be to your brother. That's the loyalty to your brother because in your mind, you're like, my father's watching me right now, you better XYZ. Okay, so that's that part. Then the other part is, as a person running CNN, I can't set you up for failure where you

Starting point is 00:49:47 can't be communicating with certain people. So I have to have a clear set of meetings to say, guys, if you do this, you're also going to get fired. So don't set him up for failure where he can get in trouble, but you also can't do anything because you could get fired. So this is my optics from the outside. I don't know what happened on the inside. If you want to kind of walk us through how some of this stuff take place, what they said

Starting point is 00:50:08 on what you said and maybe we'll go from there. Well, look, as you guys know, I'm in the middle of an arbitration process. I know. With 125 million. And I don't want them. Look, it's not about the money. Okay. It really isn't. There's no question I was damaged by the situation. I am not going to give anybody the opportunity to say that I was trying to prejudice that process, but I will say this. There was complete transparency and understanding of everything that was going on, because it was all obvious. The only thing I take exception to is the idea that I was acting in bad faith,

Starting point is 00:50:42 or that I was lying, or anything like that. I told the audience, I'm helping my brother, I'm not reporting on my brother. If they had asked me to not be on air, I wouldn't have been on air. I offered, They see an end. Yeah, I offered twice to resign.

Starting point is 00:50:56 When things started to get hot, I was like, I don't wanna hurt you guys. I didn't know, you know, the reason I apologized, if you listen to my apology, wasn't I shouldn't have helped my brother. It was, hey, if what I was doing compromised you guys in your ability to do what you do, I'm sorry, I never meant for that to happen,

Starting point is 00:51:11 and I didn't see it happening, because it seemed pretty obvious that, you know, CNN isn't helping, you know, isn't what we're talking about here. It's Chris Cuomo, who told the audience, I never went to journalists and tried to manipulate their coverage of my brother or use my contacts.

Starting point is 00:51:27 And I think the best evidence of that is, where are they? What do you think they're protecting me? The same people who have gone out of their way to say as much negative things as they could, they're not gonna stand up and say, yes, you did, you called me. They wouldn't do that?

Starting point is 00:51:40 Come on. And the idea of, you know, well, you were going after his accusers. No, I was saying, you can't. Now, by the way, I understand why some people criticize and say, hey, that was bad if I should give your brother. He didn't, he didn't fight back enough. You should have fought back. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. But the idea that I was some master of the dark arts, asked the people involved. So if they had said, you can't be on TV. I wouldn't have been on TV. They're my boss, not me.

Starting point is 00:52:05 If they had said you can't interview your brother, I wouldn't have. I didn't want to win the first place. You know, that was something that they just thought was worth whatever risk there was with it. But I don't want to jolend us the case. I want this to be settled fairly. It's not about the money. I never lied. I didn't act in bad faith.

Starting point is 00:52:25 I didn't manipulate media for my brother. I didn't go after his accusers. I didn't suggest he go after them in any way, other than just by trying to say what his side of the story was and say it early and say it often. And it's just all terrible. What happened to him was just all terrible. What happened to him was terrible and painful for a lot of different people, for a lot of

Starting point is 00:52:53 different reasons. It took time for me to sink in exactly how big a hit I had taken. I'll never get that back. I love being at news nation. I love building something. I have so much loyalty and appreciation for them. Give them me an opportunity. I'm very glad that it's going well

Starting point is 00:53:09 and there's been great acceptance by the audience as it grows. But I was the number one show on the number one platform in the world. I was relevant, if not resonant, on everything that was happening in the dialogue in this country. And just like that it was gone and

Starting point is 00:53:28 It was gone on the basis of things that were already known That's what was boggling my mind. I was like wait. I don't understand What do you mean? There was more going on? I was helping my brother I was listening to his team about what they wanted to do. They were running things by me I was giving them my take they almost always didn't take my advice. And maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong. But that's what it was. And everybody knew it.

Starting point is 00:53:53 And I told it to the audience. That's the part that bogged my mind. And that all of a sudden, people that I knew and I trusted, and I thought, and everything changed. So look, I don't talk about it on the show other than what I've just said, which is to keep it general, because I'll deal with it there.

Starting point is 00:54:10 It's not your concern, it's not about the audience. This is about me and my former bosses, and I'll leave it at that. I'll never trash see it, and I have tremendous respect for the outlet and the people there. I think they do great work. I have tremendous respect for the outlet and the people there. I think they do great work. I have tremendous respect for my boss.

Starting point is 00:54:27 Jeff Zucker, he and I do not agree about what happened here. He is the best mind of television I've ever been around. He gave me tremendous opportunities that allowed me to be who I became at CNN. I cannot take that away from him. Have you guys had any interaction dinner since you left? No. If you had to go back again, would you have Andrew Corm, Andrew on or would that have been something you would have changed?

Starting point is 00:54:54 Here's really the best answer. I would do it again. And I'll tell you why. Is it an obvious, do you fail the journalism conflict? Of course. But you know, conflicts can be cured by transparency, okay? I don't believe anyone in the audience was ever deceived into thinking I was giving my brother

Starting point is 00:55:20 a pass journalistically. I don't believe that. I've never heard that from someone who doesn't work in the media. I think it helped people. I think it comforted people. I think it gave them a sense of normalcy and relatability in a time that was completely unnatural

Starting point is 00:55:41 and frightening. And if it helped people, even though I knew I was going to pay a price, I just didn't think it was that price. I just think there would be, I thought there was just going to be a series of articles saying how I shouldn't have done it. And I even said, if you go back and look, I even said on TV, there's going to come a time when this has to end, because there will be a period of accountability, there always is, right? Mistakes are gonna be made. And I can't interview my brother about the mistakes,

Starting point is 00:56:14 because I'm not objective. I said it on TV, and people always got it. So for that part, if I could do it again, how could I not do something that I know was of tremendous value to the audience? Chris, I got to tell you, when I moved to Dallas from Miami to Dallas, right during COVID, to work with PBD, amazing opportunity, value attainment, we started the PBD podcast with zero subscribers and it was at the height of COVID and I can't tell you, I mean, P.B.D. started

Starting point is 00:56:46 the entire podcast off with, hey, look, I'm a fan. I like what you did. We would watch you and your brother. And this guy right here who just said at the beginning, listen, we might not agree politically on some issues, I love these guys, man. To watch these guys go out, it's so awesome, it's so raw, it's so real.

Starting point is 00:57:05 And it's interesting how it worked out. So there's a saying that people say, oh, he's a real one man, that guy's a real one dude. It's a real guy, right? There's even a podcast, John Burntall, real ones, right? You see him and you give off, you're just like a dude, you're just a sharp, smart, real guy. You talked about Trump earlier and then your mom went to the same beauty parlour.

Starting point is 00:57:28 It's his mom, you grew up with him. So, as someone that's so real and so wrong, so truthful, and now Trump labels you and all your people that essentially you've defended as fake news. The fake news. How do you process something like that? Professionally, it's good tactic. It's good tactic. Playing on people's misgivings about the media. You said something earlier when did this start? Yeah. Always. If you go back and read about the Lincoln Douglas debates, that was

Starting point is 00:58:03 some ugly stuff. There were suggestions of sexuality. It was ugly. And there wasn't even any media. The thing that has changed for better and worse, and my needle goes a little bit in the negative direction, is more. Magnification. Okay.

Starting point is 00:58:22 There's so much more media. There's so much more ability for there's so much more ability for platform. And again, I'm in favor of more speech, not less. I'm very concerned by what some are seeing as censorship. That's a very heavy word for me, but I believe in more ideas, not less ideas. Beat the idea with a better idea. Test the idea. Just do it the right way. But we have so many outlets now that can seem as significant as this one. Like, you know, any podcast can seem until you do the research and see the reach. The link looks the same as the PBD podcast, you know, it must be the same, even though

Starting point is 00:58:56 it's some bag of donuts, you know, sitting around with no basis of no intelligence or any of the things you guys bring to bear. And in that way, we've magnified fringe voices. So you now see your two political parties and full disclosure, and I know journalists don't say this very often. The two party system is a game that is killing us. And our leaders have said it from the beginning, the results have shown it from the beginning.

Starting point is 00:59:21 The two party system is toxic. It is a battle to the bottom and it from the beginning. The two-party system is toxic. It is a battle to the bottom and it is zero sum. And it is not what our system was set up to be. It is not an animal of our constitution or any of the formative documents. It's not even a creature of law, it's culture. And they should not be in control. And the Democrats were upset about

Starting point is 00:59:40 a potential third-party bid right now. The blame is on them. If you do not give people the best choice, how can you criticize their desire for more choice? Oh, but it's existential, it can't be Trump. That's on you. And the process has put us in this position. And I'm against it.

Starting point is 01:00:00 I want people to be free agents, critical thinkers, and be independent. And that's the plurality of this country. It's the fastest growing partisan denomination, which is nonpartisan. So that's what's changed is the more factor. You have fringe ideas that get magnified so much so that in a reductive process, a battle of attrition, a battle to the bottom zero sum, I must lose for you to win.

Starting point is 01:00:30 Both parties are dominated by their fringe elements. And people like you guys sit around and say, like, I don't get it, I run a business, I run a business, I do this. Where's the accommodation? Why would I work with you? When it is easier for me to just demonize you? Why would I do the work?

Starting point is 01:00:47 Why would I talk about how the chip factory in Arizona is going to bring in Taiwanese labor because we don't have enough skilled laborers here in this country? Why would I take that on when I can say, you know, you want my kid to be gender fluid. Well, I mean, one is so much easier. Placed to people's fears and prejudice and concerns, culture wars are almost entirely bullshit because they fly in the face of the bedrock principle of this country is, you do you and I'll do me.

Starting point is 01:01:20 Okay? You ever hear the expression, your ability to throw a punch ends where my nose begins. You know what I mean? And we've gotten way away from that. For good reason and bad reason. You know, it's hard to argue, do you want a guy who looks like him running against your 15 year old daughter in a race or in a wrestling match? No.

Starting point is 01:01:41 But is that really happening enough where we have to make it higher on the agenda than what the right move is and for how long and in what way in Ukraine? The only reason you would never do that with one of your companies. You would never do that with one of your companies because your bottom line would suffer. You'd never grow. You would fail at the first of your five move analysis. You would be failing to know yourself and understand yourself. So that's the problem.

Starting point is 01:02:07 My problem is I can't effectively combat the problem. It's suffused in our culture. We cover the game. These UFO hearings, okay? People are making fun of us at News Nation. They completely misunderstand the import. I don't know if they're little green men. I choose to believe there is a higher intelligence that is actually paying attention to what's

Starting point is 01:02:30 happening here right now. And that he sent his son here to literally die for the sins of people like me because I'm so flawed and so weak. And that is the basis of my faith. That's why you never hear me proselytize, put it on anybody. I don't care what you believe. As long as it's not actively hurting somebody else. I need it because I'm so flawed and I'm so desperate for any way I can use to get better. But I choose to believe that. But I'm going

Starting point is 01:02:55 to be close to the idea that there's life beyond this planet. This is the only one that figured out when Neil deGrasse Tyson tells me every five minutes that the place is bigger every time we measure it. No, I'm open. But that's not what the hearings are about. UFO, for me, stands for unable to find out. Why the F does the government get to make unilateral decisions about what we get to know and not so that you now you can have a congressional hearing and NASA gets to say I'm not coming? And the Pentagon gets to say to its people, you better stay here. Who?

Starting point is 01:03:24 What? Where is that? How is that okay? They should have to come and account to the American people or at least the Congress and say why you don't get to know what they know. And if it's because it will lead to a huge competitive disadvantage with China, okay? Put some meat on the bones for me. The Kennedy assassination files. Why?

Starting point is 01:03:43 Why can't you release them? I'll tell you why, because each administration, some guy comes to them and says, you're new. So you're probably low-intimidated by me right now. Let me seize upon that to tell you this. You do not want to release these files. You will have a problem that you will own, sources and methods, things that people will know. You think that happens? I think it happens every administration. How else would you explain? All guys, Captain Chaos, former President Trump. He doesn't really sell 20. Yeah. When he is a, if a former president has one kind of policy agenda, it's, I want

Starting point is 01:04:23 people to feel comfortable thinking that the institutions of government are not serving their interest so somebody had the conversation with them and he said i should release this information to the party had a conversation with somebody who had a conversation with him i don't i i don't it probably would they protect them themselves and then again look i don't believe themselves who i don't believe in the deep state i don't believe in any of that. Okay, it's much more nuanced than that. It sound like that, by the way, your last five minutes,

Starting point is 01:04:48 you sound like an anti-establishment guy, though, which you just said, that five minute clip, I just think that label is cheap. Look, nobody gets the benefit of context, right? You can cut everything up anywhere you want. You can make me see many things. I would trust you more, by the way. I'm not, I'm not, don't take that as a shot.

Starting point is 01:05:02 What I'm saying to you is, be an anti-establishment. I'm not anti-establishment. Journalists question power. I never defended the FBI one day in my life before the Trump administration because there became this threat to the institution overall. I don't like I hate the I can neither confirm nor deny. I hate that answer. Either you're trying to make a case against PBD or you're not. Just give the answer. I've been chasing after the FBI for 20 years. That doesn't mean I don't think they should exist. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:05:36 I don't want the IRS looking into me anymore than they need to either. It's not that I don't think they should exist. So I was, I felt forced into that position because of this power being brought to undo a system with no better solution after that. So I'm not anti-establishment. You sound like it. My job, look, to your ears, but to me it's I test power.

Starting point is 01:05:58 I test power. The dossier, okay? The dossier has become a buzzword. What is a dossier? It's a French word for file. This was raw intelligence from a single guy who was working the situation for higher, for a pocket that was connected to Clinton. They should have told us that right away. They did say it was raw. The entire investigation was not all based on the dossier. But, but, and I say this all the time and I know why people get upset. You can't have politicians investigating their opposition. You can't do it. And you can say Mueller, but we had Mueller do it. It doesn't work, and it is a complete distraction

Starting point is 01:06:47 from our interests. The Hunter Biden stuff, the Trump stuff. Look, you break the law and you can prove it. Make the case, make the case, but I'm telling you, these investigations that wreak of politics are destroying us. They're destroying us. Do I like the payments to the different members of the Biden's? Nope.

Starting point is 01:07:09 Do I like that they haven't been out in front of it and explaining it? Nope. I understand the adage that if you're explaining you're losing in politics, but let me tell you something. If you don't tell me your story, somebody else is, and you're not going to like the ending. So I don't like those things. Do I want them to be the sum total of our existence?

Starting point is 01:07:25 No, I don't feel like that about the classified documents. I didn't feel like that about the impeachment things. I was on the record saying, one, don't talk about you may impeach. Impeach or don't impeach, but don't play with it. And once they went down the road of impeachment, I said, why are you doing this? You'll never remove them.

Starting point is 01:07:44 You told them that. I said it on TV all the this? You'll never remove them. You told them that. I said it on TV all the time. The historicity of it. No one is above the law. First of all, that's not true, okay? Yes, no one is above the law. No one is above the law, okay, conceptually. But there is prosecutorial discretion, okay?

Starting point is 01:07:59 And that's why you don't find a lot of tax cases. Like the one they're even making against Hunter Biden. Oh, but it was 17 million. How many people do you know who have gotten sideways with the IRS in the millions of dollars and went to prison? It's very, very rare. They find the hell out of you. If you fight it, you wind up in a civil judgment situation, but you're probably going to lose,

Starting point is 01:08:19 okay? And then they're more fines, but they go into jail. The criminal, I mean, just look at it. The numbers are very small. So, but it's- They don't want you to go to jail. They want the payment plan. That's right, but it's all, but I'm just saying,

Starting point is 01:08:32 people know so much more about this than things that actually matter. And I cover those things more than what actually matters. Why? Ratings. Residents. People don't care about these other things things because culturally we're into this fight of what makes one side go up, which is at the cost of the other side all the time.

Starting point is 01:08:56 So Biden is the best choice. Why? You don't make that analysis anywhere else in your life. I'm going to buy a Ugo, or I'm going to buy a fiat. Well, I guess I'm going with the fiat. Why was not a Ugo? No, I want to drive what he's driving. Why?

Starting point is 01:09:17 Because that's the best, not the least worst. That's what we've allowed in our politics to get there. And it kills me because I'm not able to correct it. That's why I do the free agent stuff. That's why I'm selling merch with free agent on it. I haven't taken a dime of it. I want the kitty to get big and then I want to crowdsource contributions with it. I'm not making money off it.

Starting point is 01:09:39 I'm not making money off any of this shit. I'm making half what I used to make. Those days are over. That was taken from me. So I have to go in a different direction. And I'm figuring that out as I go, but I do know the challenge. The challenge is the system.

Starting point is 01:09:55 The two party system is killing us. Primary should be open. Ranked choice voting should be considered and figured out. Voting should be streamlined and understood and transparent we've got to be able to do better than this all my money i don't even know where it is i don't even know what it is

Starting point is 01:10:12 all my information is online i paid my uh... my uh... my my mortgage my maintenance payment uh... and a couple utility bills on my phone on the way over here but we can't we can figure out a way to automate voting so that we know who people are. You know that wouldn't favor Democrats if they did that. Look, I understand the argument that there is an imbalance

Starting point is 01:10:36 of enfranchisement as you go down the socio-economic scale. So, and again, sometimes it's not the better political argument. The better political argument is show your ID when you vote. It's a no-brainer political argument until you get into the weeds of what kinds of people tend to not have driver's licenses. What kinds of people tend to be less likely to want to have a government ID? And you get into socio-economic levels that do play to Democrats. I get that, that goes back to you know when you said you know the the trans thing do I want a guy this you a path size to compete against my you know 11 year old daughter and says it's trans no but is that really the top

Starting point is 01:11:18 10 issues in America no that's a small little thing right what you just said right now is a very very small percentage of Americans that don't have an ID but the other side will then use it and will say well that's a small little thing right what you just said right now is a very very small percentage of americans that don't have an idea but the other side will then use it and will say well that's why republicans are racist now it's just let's get an idea if we have the technology right now with crypto where you and I if i'm going to like you know november uh... two thousand one what came out in november of two thousand one something called the tsa okay and why was TSA, you know, prior to that, you'd go to the airport, you know what would happen, you're just going,

Starting point is 01:11:49 hey, hey, what's up, come to the gate, see me at the gate, okay, I don't need to go through security. 9-11 happens, TSA, give me your ID, now what did they do when you give the ID? They put it in there, you didn't even need to see your, what do you call it, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the what do you call it? Okay, you're good. All right, so if we have that technology there, do you realize how ludicrous and how dumb it sounds to say it's racist, to ask for my, going back to what you said,

Starting point is 01:12:14 why you said you sound anti-establishment? So your dad, would you say your dad was, would you say your dad was an anti-establishment candidate or what would you say your pops well? I don't like the term anti-establishment. I'll tell you why. Because I think that there is currency, but I think that it is reductive. I think that it takes us in the wrong direction of wanting to be anti-establishment. Can you define what establishment means to you? To me, anti-establishment is code for tear it down. Destroy the government, get rid of everything,

Starting point is 01:12:56 everybody's dirty, everything's corrupt, everyone cheats, there is no justice, and I don't believe that. I believe that you have problems in all of these things, but I don't need to say this to you, or really any of you guys, but I mean, it's just so intimate for his family's, last two generations of experience.

Starting point is 01:13:16 Go live somewhere else and see if you think that our justice system sucks, that our imbalances here are unforgivable if our government is so dirty. Go live somewhere else and see how well, oh, you go to Sweden. Yeah, okay, go to Sweden. So I'm worried about being just negative to feed some sense of demagoguery. Do I think that all of these different things have buckets of concern that should be addressed? Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:13:49 Absolutely. I just don't think we get there by just seeing who can shit on it more. My father described his politics as progressive pragmatism, which is you go, you have a set of principles and you go case by case. Now, in fairness to the analysis, he was a lefty, okay? He was a new first-generation immigrant in this country

Starting point is 01:14:10 who believed in helping the have-nots. He believed that guys like you and guys like me should shut up and pay because we got to help these people so that we can have more people like you and more people like me. He believed in speaking for the people who were the underclass. He was a true anti-elitist. When I got into Yale, my father was so upset.

Starting point is 01:14:37 He was like, really, that's where you want to go with them. He was an us and them guys. I finished first in college. They made me split it with the Irish guy. I finished first in law school. They made me finish it with the Irish guy. I couldn't get a job on Wall Street. I had to work in Brooklyn. They call me the swar the ethnic, the Gaptooth grin,

Starting point is 01:14:59 the circles under my eyes, Mercurial Mario. And now you want to go with them with the biffs, he said, why? Because they had put him down his whole life. One of the last jokes my father told me, he rest in peace. And the pain is fresh, because Tony Bennett, one of his remaining close friends just passed.

Starting point is 01:15:16 And he was reading something about me and where I was in white privilege, and he went, hot damn, we made it. Christopher's white privilege, because, you know, the joke was, he wasn't treated that way. He was still considered an ethnic, you know, and now with assimilation and everything, you know, now Italian Americans basically just more white people

Starting point is 01:15:41 here, depending on how they want to keep their own traditions. So that's why I'm shy about being anti-anything, and it's not just a semantic thing for me, but I'm absolutely anti-the two-party system. I'm absolutely anti-the parties being in charge of the primary process in the states. I think it's a huge mistake. I think it's tearing a support. And that's why thank God for the American people, seeing it and wanting to be independent

Starting point is 01:16:08 more than they want to be anything. Here's what I've taken away from you. Okay, so far. And we got, obviously, a lot more things to go through. I've taken that indirectly, you're not a fan of Joe Biden. You don't think he's the best candidate. Indirectly, that's my interpretation, because what you say is-

Starting point is 01:16:21 I'm not not a fan of Joe Biden. It's not a personal thing. I just think that it is There are better candidates out there than him. Well, I think the fact that we don't have more better Robino, look the fact that there aren't more guys with your kind of background and There's a group out now that's trying to get more veterans into leadership positions in communities and using those skills and get them into politics, I think we can do better than the people that we have in the ruling class right now.

Starting point is 01:16:52 And I don't mean class us them. I get what guys like you would want to stay away from it. I get that the level of scrutiny and stuff like that is absurd. It's like almost, it's not about if it's about when. They find something that you can't explain to everybody else's satisfaction. I think we can do better. It's not a knock on him.

Starting point is 01:17:11 Look, Joe Biden is not bow-biden, okay? May he rest in peace? Bow-biden would have checked a lot of boxes for guys like you. And I just think we can do better in this country, but we have a system that discourages people from getting involved. And so I'm not, I'm not anti. I'm not the kind of guy I am. But that's, but what I was saying is you didn't come here to support your life. Not to be in Joe Biden's the greatest. You didn't do that. So I'm not a Democrat.

Starting point is 01:17:39 So number two, you were not a Democrat. No, I'm not a Democrat. Even though your father was a Democrat. If you're a man is Cuomo, I'll vote for you. You, you could not a democrat no i'm not a them even though your father was a democrat if you're in your brother is quomo i'll vote for you you you can be a giraffe party i'm gonna vote for you you're my you know i mean that's that's what what i am first of all this isn't my father's party this is not my father's party this is not regains party um... i agree i fully agree so that's that's what we're on the so what would you say you are your

Starting point is 01:18:04 registered independent or would you say you are your registered independent or just a Republican? Yeah, I look it's even gotten hard for me to vote, you know, you show up at the place to vote everybody's like talk to you looking at you You know It's become difficult for me. I Don't do part. I am anti-party if you want to if that prefix on something, they are a problem. And then people will say to me, even, you know, the big brains and people I respect, yeah, but Chris, but that's the system. Yeah, but then what changes? If nothing changes, nothing

Starting point is 01:18:33 changes, you know, if I say to you, hey, listen, you got to cut out the diet coax, man, you know, it's, it's spiking your glycemic index, even though you think it has a, yeah, yeah, but you know, that's what I drink. Yeah, I know. But if what we're trying to do is get your blood sugar down, we got to get rid of this. Yeah, that's what we have to do. Yeah, but you can't, you can't change the party. Not now, at least. Not now. Right now it matters too much. When does it not matter? When have we ever had an election cycle where I didn't say,

Starting point is 01:19:00 where I didn't hear someone say, because I won't say it. This is probably the most important election of our time. You know, it's like that every fricking time. So when is something gonna change? Yeah. People wonder how Trump became popular. I saw it, the first rally I went to, or you know, where we were covering it,

Starting point is 01:19:18 and I was like, oh yeah. I saw that he was an agent for legitimate grievance. You can argue with him as the appropriate agent. That's fine, that's politics. But the mistake I believe the media made and a lot of people on the left made was discounting the people's feelings of disaffection, of social engineering, of imbalanced workplace, of a sliding values scale,

Starting point is 01:19:51 of fears for their kids and the ability to succeed. Those are real fears, a mistrust of government, that now there are ruling classes, political classes. Those are all real. So when you say you're stupid to support Trump, you're saying that you don't believe that I have legitimate reasons to feel the way I do. You're telling me I'm wrong to feel the way I do.

Starting point is 01:20:14 That is not only dangerous politically. That is bed psychology and bad human interaction. And I understand that that's what Trump is for people. his bed psychology and bed human interaction. And I understand that that's what Trump is for people. I understand that that's why there's such forgiveness for his obvious shortcomings as a candidate because in their minds, yes, yes. But this is also true about all these other guys.

Starting point is 01:20:39 You just don't go after them the same way. Now, I happen to not agree with that, but that doesn't matter. The analysis stays the same way. Now I happen to not agree with that but that doesn't matter. The analysis stays the same which is he is a guy with a lot of money who they believe can't be compromised by what compromises everybody else which is money, true or not. He knows the system, he's worked the system okay and he's got tremendous cachet as a celebrity which we discounted. How much celebrities matter in this country. And he hates who they fear and worry about. And he hates them. And that is very powerful.

Starting point is 01:21:13 And that's why DeSantis can't get the same traction. DeSantis has an amazing pedigree. I mean, on paper, strong, strong. But he's trying to play Trump's game, but he's not Trump. He's not Trump. he's an inside guy and you are not going to check the same box is the same way and also the sequels never as good as you know as the first movie you know other than the godfather

Starting point is 01:21:37 i guess although you know the reason that the second one and even the third one built the way it is because what was set with that first one but of course you can't have a second if you don't have a first so it's not a fair analysis. But you're right, most people agree with you. It's a platform to build on. You know, you're talking about the system and what's very interesting to me that I've been watching over the last year is the phrase uniparty. And there are disaffected people that are on both sides, you're not, and you know what I'm

Starting point is 01:22:00 talking about. They say it's such a rigged uniparty game. It's really a uniparty and it's rigged. There's little differences on both sides. And I'm gonna say a name here, but I'm not picking on one party. Binancey Pelosi made a comment when W was president. Listen, we only have to manage him for eight years.

Starting point is 01:22:19 And I set back and I thought on that, and in that statement, by the way, I think that statement gets me on both sides of the aisle quite a bit. Where they're really looking at, hey, the game is us, Congress, we're gonna be here forever. But we just have to manage this cap for eight years. And I sat back and I said, that's terrible.

Starting point is 01:22:35 You know, that's just, that, you know, this most wonderful system of government that we had, it's basically you have found a way to cripple it both sides. And then you hear about the, the uniparty side and the comments that are making on that. to a government that we had, it's basically you have found a way to cripple it, both sides. And then you hear about the, the uniparty side and the comments that are making on that. You sound like, you, you, you sound like you're, you're very carefully articulated, but it sounds like you're kind of feeling that down the middle as well. Look, you have, you know, I don't like the word middle because the middle is always weak.

Starting point is 01:23:02 You never want to be in the middle of anything, right? If you're in the middle of any file I'll take my back, but in that. What's gonna happen is you're gonna get punched in the face. In that. There is reasonable. There is left and right, and then there is the rest of your life, okay? How you get along with your neighbors. How you deal with your kids' education.

Starting point is 01:23:16 How you deal with conflicts at work and within your own business and in your own relationships and friendships. We don't behave the way we behave in our politics anywhere else. I guarantee each of you guys and everybody here has someone in their life whom they love, the family they choose, that they have a huge disagreement with about something. It could be anything. It could be the type of tackle you use when you go to a certain place.

Starting point is 01:23:43 Where you, and where you're like, this is just the dumbest thing I would never do what you do. I can't believe you did this with your house, with your business, what you allow with your kids. Whatever it is. But I love you. And we are, we have so much more that holds us together than this. The only place where we don't allow that

Starting point is 01:24:00 to predominate is politics. Right. And why? Because it works better. Because you only have two choices. And if you can make one seem more scary than the other, that's enough. But that doesn't work anywhere else in our life.

Starting point is 01:24:14 What I'm saying is there's such a big space of common concern and understanding and shared belief that we are harping on left and right who necessarily want to keep us apart because that's how they keep advantage. The answer to the Pelosi's premise is very simple. Term limits. Yep. Term limits. But you can't get them. Why? You most likely need a constitutional amendment and I don't think we could get a constitutional amendment on the name of this country being America. Other than some people who believe it had nothing to do with a miracle of this butchie, okay, you can believe that. But I'm of the school that it did.

Starting point is 01:24:57 You don't think if we dig into that cat enough or we're going to find things about him that we don't like in today's set of more rays and that you're not going to have a bunch of blue states who get enough energy to say now we can't name it America. So I don't think we can get a constitutional amendment on anything for a good reason or bad reason. So you're not going to have that, you're not going to have that happen, but that's very, very sad to me because you can't be in there forever. That's never what it was supposed to be. You know on this topic that we're on so you're not here promoting Joe Biden as the goat. You're not for censorship. You want to know what that'll happen with JFK. I know what happened with JFK. I want you to be able to

Starting point is 01:25:43 know and judge it for yourself. And first of all, everybody who could be really hurt by what's in there is dead, right? I mean, we're talking about something that happened 60 years ago. Plus 60 plus years ago. But you know what happened to JFK. Look, you can Google it right now, and you'll see that there are huge holes

Starting point is 01:26:03 in the idea of single shooter. And look, I'm not happy to have this be an analysis of the mob right because that is the stain on my people are and i hate i hate the mob uh... you know you ask people now we're getting a little old but you ask people why mario comode didn't run for governor and i bet you one and four from president uh... i'm sorry president is going to say uh... something to do with the mafia. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:27 George H.W. Bush may rest in peace, said to my father at a dinner one night, you know, we had an FBI file open on you about mafia associations. We never really found anything. And my father always mues that he was like surprised by, he sounded surprised when he said it to my father which was of course he I doubt my father didn't think he meant it to be insulting at all he thought he was a very

Starting point is 01:26:51 genteel man but just imagine if like somebody said yeah you know pbd you know the whole bad David thing you know house of David we started looking to see if you had a fine thing you know you know you'll be like well you mean in fine of course you know you know we respect over so yeah the link, you know? You'd be like, what are you mean, you didn't find anything? Of course you didn't find anything. You know, we respect over here. Yeah, the link to, you know. So I don't like that, but if you look, it's all over the place. Well, can you just clarify, you sound very convinced. What do you actually think happened with JFK?

Starting point is 01:27:13 I believe that there is, or clearly he was assassinated, but the idea of it was just Lee Harvey Oswald, who was just some whack job, who didn't want to leave the single shooter thing. So, you know, but so then why can't we know? So let's say we're wrong. Let's say it is exactly that. It's Lee Harvey Oswald, single shooter, everything else is bullshit propaganda

Starting point is 01:27:32 for some agenda of dissociative thinking. Okay, show me. Well, I can't prove the non-existence of effect. Yes you can. You can tell me why you know it was just him. You can tell me why the FBI, the CIA, nobody around who was supposed to be in the business of protecting the president had any reason to worry about anything. Because we know that wasn't true about 9-11, and not that there was a bunch of

Starting point is 01:27:53 Israelis dancing around happy about 9-11. That is ugly fake talk. But why did we change everything after 9-11? Because we knew we could do better. Why don't they want to release these files? Because it's going to show that there was compromise around the president of the United States in terms of what was known, what was suspected, and what was done. And they don't want to make themselves look bad. And I get that. I get that. You said they didn't mean the FBI and the CIA?

Starting point is 01:28:22 Yeah. And then just the, you know, those, those people, people, people, the people in the intelligence business, sources and methods, look, I don't have to tell you, of course you have to protect that. But the idea that, look, when you trust is based on transparency, and when you don't tell me things, you are begging me to come up with another solution, right?

Starting point is 01:28:42 It's the root of all conspiracies. Yeah. You know, if you're not gonna tell me, that's why I love when Trump plays with the anonymous sources. There's no question, I'll tell you, I've been done this for a long time. If we didn't have anonymous sources, you would know nothing.

Starting point is 01:28:56 Because people are afraid of what it's gonna cost them. I wanna give you this information, but I wanna lose my job over it. Oh, there's whistleblower protection. Yeah, great. Show me a successful whistleblower. So you need anonymous sources, but you just need to trust the outlets and make sure that they're doing the rigorous work

Starting point is 01:29:13 that goes along with it. But then he wants to use anonymous sources when they work for him because, you know, that's how our works both ways. And he's not the only one to do that, of course. But release it. Let people decide for themselves. What do you think? Do you think it's LBJ? Do you think it's CIA? Do you think it's...

Starting point is 01:29:30 I haven't seen the files, but in the discussions that I've had with people who know a lot more than I do, it's just more complicated than that. And there was mob involvement. And that's embarrassing. Look, I don't have a G-don't. I'm shit to do with the mob, you know, just because I'm an Italian American. But it is embarrassing to me. I don't like that the largest cultural understanding of my ethnicity is these scumbags.

Starting point is 01:29:56 But look, the truth is the truth. And it helps to know, and I'll tell you why, it's healing. It's healing. When you say, I screwed up, we screwed up here. We shouldn't do it this way anymore. So we changed after this. It gives people a reason to believe. It gives people a reason.

Starting point is 01:30:15 Now, why don't we do it? I'll tell you why we don't do it. And I'll tell you why I understand why people don't want to apologize. In normal life, okay? You were supposed to show up last night. You didn't, you know I needed you there would have meant something to me.

Starting point is 01:30:32 You had a good reason, bad reason, no reason. Your relationship with me matters. You're gonna apologize. And I'm gonna say, all right, I get it. Or maybe I don't get it, but I love you. Thank you. I believe you're not gonna do it again. That's how relationships work, okay?

Starting point is 01:30:46 It is not how politics and the media works. If you apologize, you are weak, and I will beat you over the head with the apology. And I will probably use it to extend your exposure. So you can't apologize. You can't say you did things wrong. Nobody gives you the benefit for whatever the way they did they do it but they're come so so again you're not supporting jay joe by censorship jfk

Starting point is 01:31:12 uh... uh... to vote you know party system military runoff office all the stuff this is all uh... a message of somebody who is anti-establishment because of somebody in the last three years were to say what a left is the one that's censored God knows I can't tell you how many of my clips from our key were taking down I can't say how many of my videos that we did during covid got you know strikes and then later on they're like well now you can talk about it

Starting point is 01:31:37 that's not the right that was doing it during this period JFK fine I mean that's both left and right that are hiding you Trump could have brought it out it's not just the left and when it comes on to JFK voting the left doesn't want that to happen with the you know So I am by the way if you can pull up the chart right now that They're trust in a government. So this is public trust in the US government from 58 to 22 We know when it dropped in the 60s if you see right when it's at the peak 76 77 Boom LBJ brings it all the way down then we come up a little bit and we go all the way down again then we come up a little bit then we

Starting point is 01:32:08 go all the way out. This is a lowest it's ever been the American people this right here says I don't trust but you have so much more media attacking trust look I don't I don't mean, I don't, I mean, there's a lot more negativity in the space of information now than we've ever had before. And look, I don't know a lot of things. You think that's causing it? You think that? Absolutely. I look, people have always had low levels of trust. Ever since you got into the 60s and the trust in the one over 30 and the war. And they started to know about the reality that the government can push for situations that are disingenuous.

Starting point is 01:32:50 And that became known and understood culturally. And it's been up and down, but on a downward trend. Brothers, even go back to the number wrap. You're a guy, go back to the, yeah, even pre-social this is down. I're a guy, go back to the, yeah, even pre-social, this is down. I mean, social, you can say whatever. I mean, that started really happening in 2010. That's the 60s.

Starting point is 01:33:11 You know, since the 60s, you're going to see attrition. And you're going to see certain things that change that. 9-11, obviously changed it until it didn't, right? And now it's going to keep trending down, but now we have a lot more energy invested in negativity than we do of anything reasonable or positive. I mean, that's how you make money today. You want to get involved in the media, you've got to be joining some kind of hate parade

Starting point is 01:33:39 or in a gender of some kind of discord. And that's where you're going to make your money. You know, you know, I know one guy who's doing well in social media being a pure positive, it's that MD motivator guy who goes to the guy who is standing outside and say hug me if you've ever been depressed or he goes up to people and be like, oh, I forgot my wallet can you give me a couple of bucks to get gas or something? And when the lady or the guy gives it to them,

Starting point is 01:34:05 he's like, here's a thousand bucks. Thank you for having me. They cry. You know, he's like the only guy who I know who's spiking that way. Everything else is playing a conspiracy or a reductive agenda. And not that it's untrue, but it's certainly more often than not unhelpful. So I understand why that's going down. You'd see a similar trend with media.

Starting point is 01:34:24 You'd see a similar trend with religion. You'd see a similar trend with media, you'd see a similar trend with religion, you'd see a similar trend with corporate, brand trust and goodwill. We're in a reductive period. And my concern is, well, how do you address it and what can you do about it? My biggest concern is the only thing that I see getting us to a better place is catastrophe.

Starting point is 01:34:47 And the pandemic didn't work. The 9-11 worked for a little bit. But even that, I didn't like, because it made people come together in unified fear and hatred toward a group that we then blew out of proportion. Again, I get why people were frustrated with Obama not wanting to say Islamic terror. It would make sense, given that you got a billion Muslims that you don't want to throw them all in the same bucket. And I get why Trump's early salvo was Islam hates us. And then he said, but I got a lot of Muslim friends who I love. You know, I'm a Muslim man.

Starting point is 01:35:29 I get it. I get that it works, but that doesn't make it right. And I get that you may have a right to say something, but it doesn't make it right. That we've gotten confused. And I know people beat me up about this all the time. Deplatforming. No, that's censoring.

Starting point is 01:35:47 But don't have people on who are just there to lie. Let the audience decide how to judge the lies. Don't put me in the position of saying, I'm not gonna have somebody on because I think they have no value. Unless you're talking about somebody who is in rarefied air. You do not get to come on to any platform I control

Starting point is 01:36:07 and talk about anti-Semitism, or about how one race is better than another race. You do not have a hood on and come on my show. Why? Zero value of making anything better. Well, that's a subjective judgment. Yeah, it is. But we're talking about an extreme category. You want to come on and talk about the vaccine?

Starting point is 01:36:27 Let's talk about the vaccine. You want to come on and talk about COVID, what was done right, what was wrong. You want to come and talk about the Wuhan lab? I want to know where the pandemic started. Come on. Now, but there was not a conversation that was allowed. It was one of our first conversations.

Starting point is 01:36:41 And then we got confused with the whole China good, China bad, right? During the Trump administration, right? China was good. China's been great. They've been so extraordinary and cooperative. And then all of a sudden, COVID started to become a problem for Trump, blamed it on China. Now, China bad, where did it come, where did it start from? China virus. I don't know if you can say that, but he was a guy that was putting tariffs on those guys left and right, and he was doing a negotiation side where he had to do. That was on the trade side.

Starting point is 01:37:07 Two things can be true at once, because you did. I did that, but let me tell you, Chris, if you're putting tariffs on the con... What's shit here then? Terror, you want to do this? Huawei, his daughters in Canada, you're doing stuff with Iran, no problem. Here's another terror. Here's another terror. Here's another, hey Mexico, here's another terror.

Starting point is 01:37:23 He wasn't being the friendliest guy in the year. I'm not saying that he was. I'm saying, he was with the pandemic. Look, I mean, you call the China virus, they keep saying, you can't say China. You can't say China. Type in Trump, China cooperative COVID. And you'll see, it come up that, you know,

Starting point is 01:37:37 or whatever the right search phrase is, that in the beginning, he was saying, they'd been great with us, right? 15 times Trump praised China. Now, again, I'm not blaming him. See, blaming is cheap and easy. It's not my point. It was a fluid, dynamic situation

Starting point is 01:37:51 that we had never handled before. And for all the misgivings about the vaccine, our outcomes are better because of vaccine versus places that didn't have it. And we would have not gotten it if he hadn't made it happen the way he did, which I thought was without question the most unassailable judgment of leadership he made during his term, which was, look, I know there are a lot of hang-ups and getting this done. Get it done. I'm telling you get it done or I'm going to have to speed.

Starting point is 01:38:21 Yeah. And- It's going to hurt him with Republicans. Republicans are going to, you know, the vaccine, you know, do the community, but look, look, they are weaponizing the vaccine for good, bad, and no reason. And that's politics. I just believe that there's a hyper emphasis on it, and there's so many more mouthpieces now in digital media able to echo these messages that it becomes more persuasive. All I'm saying is two things can be true at once, okay?

Starting point is 01:38:55 He had tough trade policy, he had guys who were trying to nail it down there, were trying to the deal kind of fell apart, you know. But and that wasn't really his fault. He over-promised a little bit, but that's politics. That's politics. I'm okay with that. But the lab thing in the beginning, we were like, yeah, and we had to back off because China was being helpful.

Starting point is 01:39:14 We needed it for PPE. So, you know, we went soft on and then by the time we came back to it, there was too much at risk. So we still don't know where it started. And now they blame Tony Fauci. You know, you know, you know, wow, listen to you. Now and watching Tucker no longer at Fox. Okay. So you were number one at CNN. Tucker was number one and Tucker's obviously right now crushing it on fire. You know, he's doing what he's doing on Twitter. His show is growing.

Starting point is 01:39:42 And it finally wants to raise a few, you know, 100 million dollars with Neil Patel to do what he's doing on Twitter. His show is growing independently. He wants to raise a few, you know, $100 million, but Neil Patel to do what he's doing. You sound more reasonable now listening to you in almost like the handcuffs and the shackles are off versus what it was listening to you three years ago. Tucker sounds more freer today where he's kind of like almost a kid in a candy store. I'm free. I can say whatever I want. three years ago, Tucker sounds more freer today where he's kind of like almost a kid in a candy store.

Starting point is 01:40:08 I'm free, I can say whatever I want, I'm no longer under the, you know, and there's an element of that, no matter where you're working at, whether you're at CNN or Fox, you guys don't have to agree on political ideology, but you can still be like, okay, I am freer because when I'm listening to you,

Starting point is 01:40:22 I'm like, okay, this guy sounds reasonable and reasonable and reasonable Fair, I don't have to agree with that but reasonable but reasonable but reasonable Brother when COVID happened when 9-11 happened it was us against the folks in the Middle East right and And later on we realized there was no weapons of mass destruction We're like whoa shit. I was that all about, right? And this time around is the complete, so while we should have been against the administration back then with Bush, this time around, the media that the complete opposite,

Starting point is 01:40:53 everybody I ask, I said, if there was no COVID, this Trump get reelected, 95% of people I ask in politics, they'll say, Pat, not even a question Trump gets reelected. And these are people on the left, they'll say Trump's Trump gets reelected. And these are people on the left. They'll say, Trump's going to get reelected. So, but COVID happens. It almost seems like there was a conference called on. Rob, can you pull up the video?

Starting point is 01:41:13 I don't know if you can pull this up. You know, the criticism media gets where everybody is using the same line. Like if you go on YouTube, just type in media, bias, saying the same thing on YouTube, you'll see it. I'm sure you've seen this clip before was like same talking point. Same talking point. Yeah, same talking point. Whatever if you pull that up So so it almost seemed like we had a shot at

Starting point is 01:41:36 That's the one right there if you can play that yet. We had a shot Is it this one or no? No go to the bottom one go to the bottom one right there see for the one right there yet it almost seemed like there was a conference call or zoom well maybe conference call would have been better for two but there was a conference call where you guys and they said from the top hey it's this is our shot this is trumps fault

Starting point is 01:42:01 this is that china's fault this is trumps fault. This is not China's fault. This is Trump's fault. And then rather than saying, we're also with this thing come from, we don't know who came from China, you can't say that. You know, you can't say this. We're in China, Nancy Pelosi going out there and saying, well, look, this is offensive. You can't do this. You can't do that. You can't do this. Robby, you can't even find us on Twitter. It's a lot easier if you just go find us on Twitter. You'll find us like a 30 second clip And suddenly, everybody's like, no, it's irresponsible. You should have closed sooner.

Starting point is 01:42:28 You should have closed this. And you should have done that. Wait a minute, you were just in China, saying, don't close. Now you're saying, I should have done this. It's as if everybody teamed up against this guy. And then that caused the American people, some of them, to say, look, we united during 9-11, what do we do in

Starting point is 01:42:46 being divided here? And then two years later, we look at and say he was right about China virus, about coronavirus. Oh, they were right. New York Times comes out this week talking about a third of the COVID vets was an exaggeration by the CDC. Nobody covers it. So, do you remember people, wait a minute, well, you should have taken a vaccine with the kids. No, you shouldn't have. Well, because the experts are saying this, well, because science is saying this, well, because military 14 years,

Starting point is 01:43:12 if you don't take the vaccine, gotta come out, dude, you've only had a few months to test this thing out. No, you gotta do it. So now, all of that pendulum goes back to saying, listen, say what you want. You guys are wrong about Russia, you were wrong about China, you were wrong about COVID, you were wrong about the about Russia you were wrong about China you were wrong about COVID You were wrong about the vaccine you were wrong about this stuff What are you gonna say now to this guy now you want to 37 indictments?

Starting point is 01:43:32 You want to do all this other stuff to the guy? So what do you what what level of for somebody that was on these? I don't expect to get the you know You know 100% on what you would say to this But what do you say to the people that said dude you guys all teamed up against this guy and everybody was like a sound like a broken record as Trump's fault That's Trump's fault with Trump's fault. What do you say to that? I? Have a different analysis Here there was no conference call. There was no group think I Don't know

Starting point is 01:44:02 How many people had more access to people making major decisions during the pandemic than I did. And I was certainly never told what to say or what not to say. Trump got what he asked for with the media. You antagonize the media and call them fake and say a lot of things that are demonstrably false. You're going to get the teeth. He was antagonistic. These are all human beings. They're going to take it personally at some point and they're going to come for you. And look, I think that's true in my case, in my brother's case for sure.

Starting point is 01:44:46 It was absolutely true in the president's case. The idea that people were against saying China virus is more complicated. We know it started in China. Now, what made us sick was actually the virus flying through europe right the cases that came into the u.s. you had a few on the west coast but it was really these people coming in from europe into new york et cetera

Starting point is 01:45:17 making people sick here does that mean it didn't start in china no means that that's not the only question it's not the despositive factor yes Yes, it started in China, but it went flying through all of Europe also. So it's not as simple as just bustin on China. Trump had it both ways with China and he used China to deflect accountability for himself as president of the United States. I do not believe that if there was no COVID, Trump wins necessarily.

Starting point is 01:45:47 I think it's hard to say that. I think if Trump had just stuck with his original take on COVID. You don't think if there's no COVID, Trump doesn't win? I don't know, because there are too many things that can happen. But if you're playing an odds game, and nothing else happens. I don't know. I don't listen to Chris. The guy had economy was good, everything was good. TVD. Too much shit happens that I didn't know. I don't listen. Chris, the guy had economy was good. Everything was good. TV did.

Starting point is 01:46:06 Too much shit happens that I didn't expect for me to say, I know what would have happened. You're good. You know, could you, do I think you're a hundred percent wrong? Of course not. Was COVID a problem for him? Absolutely. But if he had stuck with, I'm now a wartime president.

Starting point is 01:46:21 This is my war. I'm doing PBE like nobody's business. I can't believe there's only one place in Maine that can make these swabs. I'm going to make them that mentality and brought the vaccine and right and wrong, which plays into my real frustration about COVID. Other than people thinking I didn't have it. Here's a problem, okay? Trump did this wrong, Biden did this wrong. No one in a white coat should be doing political messaging for America. Fauci, any of the other white coats that they had up there from time to time,

Starting point is 01:47:02 should not have been talking directly to America about where we are, how we are, what we are, what we're not. Science changes, okay? Science changes. Scientists change their opinions all the time on the basis of information. We believe you get this by doing this clean everything a million times. Oh turns out it's aerosolized.

Starting point is 01:47:30 Forget about this. Don't worry about it. Remember what I said about don't wear a mask. You'll probably make yourself sick because you're touching. No it's aerosolized. You need the masks. In science makes perfect sense. When you got forbid, you have somebody who's sick in your family and they start and they think, oh, we think it's pneumonia, oh, turns out it's pleuracy. You don't say, the hell is wrong with you. I'm going to a new doctor. It's, oh, so you found no information, change it.

Starting point is 01:47:56 Okay, that doesn't work in politics. In politics, you change your position, you're losing your week. You're a flip-flopper. That's why they stick with things, even when it doesn't make sense anymore. I had a very, I remember a conversation, I'll never forget with Roger Eels. He's thinking about hiring me.

Starting point is 01:48:11 He's beating me over the head about what he called pro life. And I called, you know, even back then reproductive rights. And I was like, I don't get it. Your pro life was your pro death penalty. So I once you're out of the womb. It's like, all bets are off. He changed. Why? Because it's logically inconsistent.

Starting point is 01:48:28 That's very rare in politics. So what happened during the pandemic was, you had these people who were changing information scientifically, but they were living in a political environment where you can't do that. So they started to get quiet about things when they should have been loud. The biggest example is when they went from the touch, touch, touch to aerosolized,

Starting point is 01:48:49 they did not tell us the way they should have, because they didn't want to own a mistake, because they knew it would affect people's trust in their credibility. But I argued at the time, it'll be just the opposite. You're not politicians. And every problem after that was about guesswork at the best scenario in a new situation that they had never handled before. Separation, no separation. When, when, when it was all, well, we don't really know. I don't, I don't know. I know that it's better that if we're all sick, we should probably be getting out and not too close with each other. If we don't want to spread it.

Starting point is 01:49:26 But how and when and why and for how long, those were political determinations that should have been all Trump or his people, all Biden or his people. I don't want to see any white coat. You can tell me that you based it off what they just told you about this new thing. Okay, but what do you tell them?

Starting point is 01:49:42 I elected you, I didn't elect these people. And political things are gonna be held to political tests and standards. And we got the two mixed here. So you'll see tons of clips. Oh, they told you this and then they told you that. That's because they're looking at it. Look, it used to be the world is flat. Then it's round, you know. It used to be that, you know, a lot of Christians believe that the earth is like, you know, a fraction is old as it really is. And that humanity is only a fraction. You know, it depends. What do you want to base it off?

Starting point is 01:50:07 Feel a fact. And that was the confusion that happened during that. And I told Dr. Fauci personally and publicly, multiple times, you got to get yourself out of that position. Tony, you do not belong making political. And he would say, I'm not making a play, but that's how it's playing. It seemed like he loved the lot. That's how it's being used. I look, I've known him most of my adult life.

Starting point is 01:50:33 Okay. Yeah, he was close to my father and very helpful to my father during the AIDS. And look, I tell you, we lived it then too. Oh, it's a gay disease. This is what you get for being gay. They used to call AIDS and HIV grid, because they wanted to tie it to gay people. And Tony Fauci was one of the early ones saying this is not sexuality based. It's transmission based that is fluid.

Starting point is 01:50:55 That's not true. But also that's right. So I know him. Tony Fauci is a good man who does things for the right reason. Is he fallible? Of course. He felt that does things for the right reason. Is he fallible? Of course. He felt that he was doing the right thing, and he had a lot of people in power from two administrations trying to push him to the front because it was better for them.

Starting point is 01:51:16 He gave them cover, and I don't believe that our leaders should take cover when it's time to lead. And I think Biden did it wrong, and I think Trump did it wrong. Did you read RFK's book on Fauci? I did. What do you think about it? I think that he is not giving the doctor the benefit of context and nuance when it comes to funding and what was known and what was hidden versus overlooked.

Starting point is 01:51:42 And I don't think you can make a compelling case that Fauci was hiding things because he was funding weaponized viruses in places. I think that that is a selective read of it. Now, can you blame Tony Fauci a little bit for the narrative? Yeah, but he's not a politician. Do I think that it is wrong to question the use of vaccines? No. Do I think it is wrong to question what they knew about this vaccine and what they learned over time?

Starting point is 01:52:09 No. But based it off the data, do I think that it's simple enough to say we should have never had the vaccine? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Oh, but they exaggerate the deaths. Well, no, it's about but they exaggerate the deaths. Well, no, it's about what they were learning about deaths

Starting point is 01:52:28 over time and comorbidity. And that is not a new dynamic, by the way, in scientific understanding. For instance, I'll give you a great example of this. There's nothing to do with COVID, OK? High LDL cholesterol, heart disease, right? Not anymore. Science is different now. Turns out that there are a lot of other coefficients that you got to take into concern, and that high LDL, an animal fat, and a meat-based diet

Starting point is 01:53:00 isn't an automatic heart attack coming your way. That you got to look at other things. You got to look at insulin absorption tolerance and all these different coefficients of all these different little numbers and formulas and algorithms. Well, what happened? I thought it was that simple. Not anymore. Why? The facts change. If I was a food paradigm guy, am I going to change my position now? When I've been telling you the pyramid goes this way the whole time? Am I going to flip it? No, I'm a dead man. I am a dead man. You guys kill me here.

Starting point is 01:53:27 They kill me. I'll meet the press. They kill me in the Washington Post by opponents. Say he's a flip flopper. That's the difference. And we play to advantage more than we do to what is right for the most people in the moment. And I see it again and again and again.

Starting point is 01:53:45 Okay, so I got two clips I want to show you. Okay, on what you're saying, I think Fauci was, you know, rather he was very divisive when you read the book. The first thing I looked at when I read his book, it was such a technical book to read, but the things got 30,000 reviews on Amazon, and it sold a lot of copies. And nobody from the other side came to really analyze book to read, but the things got 30,000 reviews on Amazon and it sold a lot of copies.

Starting point is 01:54:05 And nobody from the other side came to really analyze or terror department saying these are not credible sources, what he did with AIDS back in the days, with the drug that was making more money and how it was involved and what things he did. All these other things, we can set that aside on what Fouchy did. Play these two clips. One of them is from the media side and then go to the Chuck Schumer one. The first one is a clip I was talking about Rob. Play this one here. So this is where I'm kind of glad you're you're now on your own doing your own stuff. Go play it. Play this if you can. Go for it.

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Starting point is 01:55:33 One thing, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy. Okay, you can pass it at this point. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. Right, for example, I run a sales company, right? For the last 23 years, I've run a sales organization, so for us, everything, I'll never forget one time, we're at an event in Palm Springs and, you know, we're competing with other agencies and I get up and I say, look, look at my sales guys on how scripted they are. I had 250 guys stand up and I gave objections, verbatim they overcame it.

Starting point is 01:56:01 Next objection, verbatim, the 10 minutes we're doing is, oh my God, I don't have my guy scripted that well. When I saw this, the first thing I thought about is the only way you can be this scripted is for somebody to feed it to you in a collective effort. And it's not like it's just Fox or it's just NBC. It's everybody. So you said something, I wanna kinda go through the full question

Starting point is 01:56:21 and I'll give it back to you. I see this and he said, well, you can't call out the media and call and fake news. They're gonna come after you're 100% right. You're 100% right. You do that. They're gonna come after you, but for the longest time, they have been coming after the other people.

Starting point is 01:56:37 So it's kind of like, look guys, you can get away with murder. I'm gonna give you a little bit of a taste of your own medicine. Then, Schumer in an interview with Rachel Maddow, I think this is in 2017, if you can play this clip. I'm too busy. So I am, I was distraught right after the election, but I'm now actually invigorated by the challenge and our ability to succeed in this challenge.

Starting point is 01:57:01 Let me ask you, I don't know if you have seen this, I don't wanna blindside you with this. This is me ask you, I don't know if you have seen this, I don't want to blindside you with this. This is the latest statement, latest tweet, as you were just saying, the president election, latest unsolicited pronouncement on the intelligence community. This was his tweet just a little while ago tonight. You see the scare quotes there. The intelligence briefing on so-called Russian hacking was delayed until Friday. Perhaps more time needed to build a case very strange. We're actually told intelligence sources tell NBC News since this tweet has been posted that actually this intelligence briefing for the president-elect was always planned for

Starting point is 01:57:35 Friday. It hasn't been delayed. But he's taking these shots, these antagonisms, taunting to the intelligence community. We'll tell you. You take on the intelligence community. They have six ways from Sunday it's getting back at. antagonisms taunting to the intelligence community. You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday it getting back at you. So, even for a practical,

Starting point is 01:57:50 supposedly hard-knosed business, brother, I got to tell you, you're really dumb to do this. What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were motivated? I don't know, but I, from what I am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them and talked about them.

Starting point is 01:58:03 And we need the intelligence community. We don't know what's going to, look at the Russian hacking. Without the intelligence community, we wouldn't have discovered it. Do you think he, you can possibly, let me actually see what he says at the end. I want to hear what she says. And to try to dismantle parts of the intelligence community.

Starting point is 01:58:18 I mean, in this form of, let me tell you, whether you're a super liberal Democrat or a very conservative Republican, you should be against dismantling the intelligence. Okay. So, I watched this as a guy who is a business guy and I've never been through a pandemic before.

Starting point is 01:58:35 I lived in Iran 10 years. I've been through war before. I know what the war is and bullshit stuff they can do to cause war in us and people that have lived in a refugee camp a couple years. Came out. I was in the US Army hunter first. I kind of seen it from the other side when I was kind of having to take the vaccine. Anthrax was coming out and they're like, you guys kind of have to take it.

Starting point is 01:58:50 And you know, I don't want to take it. And we kind of got away from not taking it. So and then I'm hearing my friends who have to take it or else to have to get out. So we interviewed some people that got out after being there 14 years, six years away from retirement. Dude, I don't want to take the vaccine. They kicked me out. I'm kind of like going through this. I'm like, I don't, I don't want to take the vaccine, they kicked me out. I'm kind of like going through this

Starting point is 01:59:05 all like, I don't, I don't really know what's going. I got the COVID myself and I lost 21 pounds in a span of two weeks. So it was not good for me. So it's not like I'm seniors, a COVID didn't do shit for me. Now, some people are like, it was, it was tough on me. I was in a, we were moving everything from there to you and I had COVID. We're getting tested on the same day. We run run into each other I came up to you in the car you looked So skinny and pale. It was very weird my wife's doesn't see me for a few days I come I they keep putting food I can't eat anything and I'm in the corner room throwing up

Starting point is 01:59:36 And I'm like do this shit is you know this is kind of legit and at time went into what were you were in cold you weren't I see you were in Yeah, I did and seven days that were in court you weren't I see you were in uh... yeah i did and seven days that i see you seven days and i see you so oxygen levels kept dropping and i don't smoke obviously no comorbidities no loopers for anything like that and there was oxygen levels constate it's like so the reason why i'm saying all this stuff to you is this is not a you know uh... a place of no

Starting point is 02:00:06 is this no I saw people get it. Well I saw 600 of our sales guys get it after a conference of Sebastian Monoscalco gets on stage and he's got a mask in the back and he doesn't want to shake hands I'm like Sebastian you got COVID no I'm just not feeling like you gotta look like you got COVID but it's like mama dude anyways because you're paying a guy to perform, so he kept his word, which I love. He comes up, he says, comes up, he says, hey, okay, so welcome to the super spreader event.

Starting point is 02:00:30 You know, a lot of Vegas. So the reason why I'm sharing this with you, and I also had a board meeting one day where all my board members are telling me, you gotta get everybody into company vaccinated. And I said, I can't do that. So for me, I'm not vaccinated, I didn't take the vaccine. I didn't take the booster. I didn't take the booster.

Starting point is 02:00:46 My wife did them, but my dad did. My nanny did. A lot of people in my life did, but also didn't take either Mechden or Hydroxyl Chloroquine. So it's not like it's, we're part of a camp. When I watched all this stuff that was going on, I sat there and I said, no wonder America doesn't trust the media.

Starting point is 02:01:03 No wonder we don't trust Fauci. No wonder whatever Chuck Schumer said there He was right. We learn how much power the DOJ has. How do you get up and say the DOJ can ruin your life? This guy's been indicted 50 million times all this stuff that they're doing to him So one sister and says Chris you were on the outs inside, bro This the kind of stuff that causes to not trust anybody. Not that you're somewhat on the outside, you're still with news nation, where you got your own show. Now you see the reason why

Starting point is 02:01:29 American people lost trust in media? Oh, no, I don't see it differently now. I look, I can't say this strongly enough. I do not believe, and I have never experienced. And look, people couldn't like what I do, don't like what I do. The answer to your question is why I sound different is that we've never had. And look, people couldn't like what I do, don't like what I do. The answer to your question is why I sound different. As we've never had a conversation before, is that most exposure to what I do is things

Starting point is 02:01:51 taken in clips and put out into a context that people want it to be in. I don't believe in the First Amendment. You can't download. All these bullshit that people say about me is just playing to an agenda and advantage. That's okay. That's the price of entry. But that's why I sound different, is that we've never spoken before. I'm not different.

Starting point is 02:02:10 Nobody ever told me what to say or not say at CNN, and I would have told them to take a walk if they did. And I don't know about any conspiracy to go after anybody other than what's obvious. And Chuck Schumer saying that about the intelligence committee, he needs to explain his context on it. I don't disagree with his assessment. I mean, I feel the same way when I tell people what's going to happen if they start messing with a cop

Starting point is 02:02:39 during a stop. I mean, which way do you think this is going to go? Not that cops are evil, but do you think it's going to go well for you? If you start shit talking a cop during a traffic stop, do you think good things are going to happen? So, I just think when you mess with people with power, you got to be careful. What was he alluding to? I don't know. Did he create an article of convenience for people who want to defend Trump? Absolutely. That's politics. You got to be careful what you say. One of the reasons we haven't spoken before is, and I come here in good faith and I believe that PBD podcast, I've watched about 14 of them, 15 of them. You come from a good place,

Starting point is 02:03:16 you're a straight shooter about what you believe and why. I think you can get carried away with things, but that's within the realm of choice. I don't do a lot of this because people clip it up and use it to promote crazy things that I don't believe and I don't say and I can't correct. So I just never really spoke about it and I never really defended myself because what is true, what is group think and not just at CNN but at ABC and at Fox before that is they're very careful about having you defend a proposition when really you'll probably just give it more oxygen. And things go away, especially now with all this media, there's also less attention span.

Starting point is 02:03:57 So we move from one thing to the next. So the best advice in a crisis is always just if there's no process attached, shut up and it'll move on. And I have borne that burden many times. I mean, you could play a list of clips of things that people weaponize about me. I could defend every single one. And I have no problem doing it. Whether it's the Shelter Island thing, I have answers for all of them.

Starting point is 02:04:24 Anything I've ever said that's wrong, I've corrected. And you could say things that are wrong, by the way. You know what I mean? You were on life to be so nice. That's all I find. But anything where Cuomo says the protests are not meant to be. Where does it say protests are supposed to be peaceful? Has millions of views on the internet. Like, I don't know what the first amendment is.

Starting point is 02:04:48 Well, what's the context? Some of the early George Floyd protests. You got black people, their allies, angry, yelling in the face of cops, you know, either spit coming out of them or flying out of their mouths because they're so angry. And people are disgusted, wanting them to go home. And I say, Hey, protests will be angry. People are going to say things that you

Starting point is 02:05:14 don't want to hear. It's going to be mean. There's going to be a hateful speech. The cops are going to take, you know, a verbal beating. But here's the part you never heard. The moment you touch person or property, you become's the part you never heard. The moment you touch person or property, you become a criminal, you become what you oppose, and it's a riot. Now, I know Dr. King had a different explanation of a riot being, you know, sometimes the desperation of the voiceless, but in the law, it's a crime. I don't get that. I get that. I said, who said protests are supposed to be peaceful?

Starting point is 02:05:44 Why? Because it makes me look like an idiot. And advance a cause that I am I don't get that. I get that. I said, who said protests are supposed to be peaceful? Why? Because it makes me look like an idiot. And advance a cause that I am defending the BLM people in a way that I don't defend, I don't know, some other group. Is that true? No, it's not even close to true. Well, then how come I never said this?

Starting point is 02:05:58 Because who would have given a shit? The people who want to believe that? If they want to believe it, they're going to believe it. Cuomo said, we can't download WikiLeaks. I never said that. It is unclear under the Espionage Act. What happens when a citizen downloads a cash of classified information?

Starting point is 02:06:16 We don't know. Within the reading of the law, it could be a problem. The media, because of the Pentagon papers, has gotten more leeway. I say you're probably going to wind it. You've got to be careful with this stuff. You're probably going to wind up hearing a lot about it from us. So it played as this deep state media control over your mind thing. I published or whatever broadcasts communicated everything that came out that they gave us. I didn't censor anything.

Starting point is 02:06:45 I didn't keep anything from you. So why does that clip have a gazillion views? Because it feeds a narrative that works for people. And that's the price of entry. I get it. I don't like it. I think it's irresponsible, but it works. It works really well.

Starting point is 02:07:02 You will not find a compendium of genius statements from Chris Cuomo that has millions of hits on it. But you will find millions of hits of bullshit things that are taken out of context. I'm guaranteeing you that Chuck Schumer is not the past key to an understanding that the deep state decided to take down Donald Trump. And you have to be-

Starting point is 02:07:23 You don't believe that at all. I do not believe- You say you're zero like there's no way in the world. There's a deep state that went after a guy that was challenging the establishment and saying he's gonna come here, try to drain the swamp. You know, this is not a guy that's a typical guy

Starting point is 02:07:39 that gets elected. The last guy that we had like Trump as a president, one would say was probably- We never- We've never had- I don't mean from the standoff, I don't mean from the standpoint of personality. Take personality out. I don't mean from the standoff. The guy was a senator in a congress who was a veteran who came from a story. But the Kennedy family was a pretty anti-establishment family. I don't know if I would put Kennedy's found. Notice I didn't even say Reagan. I'm

Starting point is 02:08:02 this is not a Republican thing I'm doing here to say what the last anti-establishment party he was a two-term governor. I'm saying the last person we had I don't think Kennedy is a good analog for Trump. You don't think Kennedy was an anti-establishment family? Would he went up to say what they're going to do to the fed to CIA? What they were going to do to stop an award? You don't think any of that was his anti-establishment reasons?

Starting point is 02:08:24 No, I don't see it as anti-establishment. I see it as him making what he believed to be raised in choices. He did what few leaders can do, which is learn from a mistake with the Bay of Pigs. So maybe let me ask this question, why do you think he got assassinated? Do you think it was just a mob was not happy the fact that they didn't give him because a mob helped them with Dewey and Chicago and he thought he needed it, eventually he didn't need it. And that's why they're getting back at him. I think that there were elements that certainly included mob influence

Starting point is 02:08:53 that were unhappy with what they thought was an arrangement. I think that a lot of the animus was towards Bobby Kennedy. I believe the idea until proven otherwise. I mean, remember Bobby Kennedy, I believe the idea until proven otherwise. I mean, remember Bobby Kennedy, you're not only embarrassed, which I would say, it's not embarrassed when you're a felon, but the way one of the mob guys was treated was seen as insult, but they have a perverse sense of insult because they're criminals.

Starting point is 02:09:21 He said Italians are predisposed to criminality, Bobby Kennedy, you know, that's, you know, it's not aisposed to criminality bobby kennedy you know that's uh... you know it's it's not uh... a nice thing to say about Italian-Americans but i believe they had animus towards him and i believe the theory until proven otherwise release the file and then i'll say i'm wrong that the decision was made that look if you're gonna go after somebody better go after the president because he's gonna come after us if we go after his brother so you don't believe anything with LBJ, the CIA. I don't have reason to

Starting point is 02:09:49 believe. I can't. We can speculate though that that could be a reason. I don't have a basis for it. I got to see the data release the file and then I'll give you an answer. Yeah. See what I'm saying? Let transparency. I get the trust. No, no, I get that. I mean for us to. But I'm telling you, I don't know, first of all, I don't know that that clip with all the local stations saying that. I want to reserve some skepticism of editing and to make sure that somebody didn't just make it sound like they're all saying the same thing.

Starting point is 02:10:14 But I never saw a new script like that. I definitely have concerns about fake news and people who are telling you things that are untrue, but weaponizing the idea that you can't trust the media, you can only trust them. And the idea that the former president tells the truth more often than I do is demonstrably false. But that's politics, that's fine, I have a different standard, I'm not running for anything, I'm not asking for anybody's vote. But I think it's dangerous and I think it's untrue. I think the media you take, like you take any other business.

Starting point is 02:10:47 Outlet by outlet, platform by platform, person by person. I am not Leland Vitter, is not Dan Abrams, is not Ashley Banfield. If you like me, it doesn't mean, or you dislike me, it doesn't mean you should dislike them. Those are your colleagues on news. News Nation. So that's why one of the best town halls was done.

Starting point is 02:11:10 News Nation RFK, my favorite one so far. I thought it wasn't a big thing. I did it. She did phenomenal. I thought it was good for news nation to do it. I think the idea that you don't do it because Bobby says things that can be untrue or that can be seen as disruptive is a mistake.

Starting point is 02:11:26 What you do is you let him say it, you ask him for his basis of it, you test his basis. And what did you see in the town hall? Bobby did a lot of back peddling. Why? Because he's making positions through a different lens now, which is not just to push an extreme reckoning

Starting point is 02:11:41 of something that has a basis of marginal justification, but now he's trying to form consensus. I thought he crushed it. I thought he crushed it. I thought when she asked a question about, you know, drug addiction, all this stuff, and he just went straight out. When I was 28 years old after my father,

Starting point is 02:11:57 that I had a 14 year addiction with this, and he just kind of opened it up. And then when she said, hey, what do you think about Trump, this is, look, I like the fact that, you know, I, you know, I, I don't want to go directly after Biden. I don't want to insult anybody. I want to have a relationship.

Starting point is 02:12:10 I just disagree. I thought the way he handled it was. Yeah, great. Now, Reed's weakness and of being a tool for the right, you know, and being, but that's where we are in our politics now. And the media will allow that to be said also. Look, again, I don't cover Bobby Kennedy, Jr. is closely and in person because I have a conflict, okay?

Starting point is 02:12:31 Now, I believe that it's a BS conflict. I can absolutely be fair to Bobby positive and negative. But I'm sensitive to the perception now because of what I live through with my brother. So that's why, I mean, also, you know, you got a, they leveled up with Elizabeth Vargas. I mean, you know, she's the top of the food chain. So it was better. She had before by the way.

Starting point is 02:12:51 ABC News. Oh, okay. But I've worked with it for years. I mean, top notch. So, you know, they benefited from her doing it instead of me. That's for sure. But, Bobby is saying things differently now. He's used by people who are anti-vaxxers.

Starting point is 02:13:07 Well, it's the first thing he says. I'm not anti-vaxxing. Yeah. Now, did he used to say that is loud and proud? But no. Why? He was coming from a different place. That's politics.

Starting point is 02:13:18 I'm not saying he's lying. I think it's an act or do thing. No. It's really who he is. No, it's about messaging. It's about consensus. You know how I know it's real? One night my wife and I were in Dallas.

Starting point is 02:13:28 And our kids are going to this Christian school, private school. And all of a sudden the schools like we need their vaccination cards updated. And our first two kids took everything. Anything they need to take, they've taken it, you know. And then after I have a meeting with Robri, he saidies i love just you may want to not do this you may want to not do this you may want to not this is look here's how many vaccines you

Starting point is 02:13:49 took and i'm like do that was in the army first after eleven shots i don't even know what i've taken right when you join the army they do the gunshots on your you know so it's just what i took it it was only three then they want to twelve then they want to this and today seventy twenty just kind of give me the history of not looking all the other kind of true why do we need so many vaccines don't promise to this and today's 72 and he's just kind of giving me the history of not looking all the up that's kind of true. Why do we need so many vaccines? No problem. It's 11 o'clock at night. Jennifer says, babe, what do we do with this? They need this car tomorrow. I said, babe, we're not going to give it to tomorrow. You they can send us home

Starting point is 02:14:16 if they want to. We're not going to do that. So I send a text to Bobby at 11 o'clock, Eastern Central Standard town, which is midnight his time. I'm like, he's not going to respond, but it'll call me first thing in the morning. Thirty seconds, he texts back. Then he gets on the phone with me. For 45 minutes, he's finding people to do a conference call with us on how the kids don't have to take all the vaccines. And hour later, this guy could be with his family doing a bunch of different things. I got off the phone, I'm looking at Jen, I'm like, this is when you know this guy's a 100% true believer in this.

Starting point is 02:14:53 Absolutely. There is no question in the basis of his advocacy. The accuracy of the positions is subject to testing like anything else. I'm not questioning the guy's heart. I'm not questioning his head, but he has to make the case as to a matter of degree on the positions. And that's fine. But I look, people who want to write him off is something.

Starting point is 02:15:14 Look, I thought what the member of Congress said the other day, and look, he's got the right to his own opinion, but him going after the guy's family and your mock in the Kennedy name, you know, I think that's way out of bounds. It's way out of bounds. Uh, and I think that, you know, one, you don't get to judge somebody standing in their own family. And two, you know, all the pain that this guy's lived through. You're not going to, and his uncle, and you're not going to talk to him, his wife, uh, you know, his personal pain, his siblings, and you're going to, you're going to talk to him about his family?

Starting point is 02:15:47 So look, everybody can feel any way they want. I'm saying something else. And this is really the only thing that matters. You have to get back to disagreeing with decency and not because it's nice to be nice. It's that nothing else works. Nothing else works in a democracy, except a marketplace of ideas

Starting point is 02:16:12 where the best ideas win. That's all that works. And the only place you get is where we're flying toward, which is where there's all kinds of shit in the ether that people believe very passionately, but without any basis, because you don't even know who they are or what they're saying. Or they're taking things out of context,

Starting point is 02:16:30 or they're taking a little thing over here, or they're pretending that this person is that person. And it works for a campaign. It just works well for a two-party system. It just does. What do you think is going to happen with Bobby? Like, what's the outcome with him? Like, you were very clear that he's going to lose.

Starting point is 02:16:47 Everything that's happened with Biden, the fundraising. He's going to lose. He's capped at about 20%. We've seen some fall off from that because of the increased level of scrutiny. I don't think that he can get a constituency within the Democrats that would want him to replace Biden. I think that they have trouble. They're raising a ton of money.

Starting point is 02:17:08 They have polls. The Monmouth poll, other polls. You know, a poll is just a snapshot in time. You don't know who the sample is. You don't know what it is. It's helpful over a course of multiple data points for a suggestive trend, but there's only one poll that matters, try, but true, and that's on election day. But Biden's numbers are still strong enough, and the money raising is still strong enough for them to sit down on the point that he is not projecting what you would want from somebody who is going to be

Starting point is 02:17:38 in his big fight as what they anticipate. And I think that the lack of bill out of the staff, I think the lack of Ra Ra should just, to me, justifies what I hear about concern from Deep Pocket donors. And if you, he's gonna lose, or that means Biden's gonna be just sponsoring into the, look, I don't mean to condemn Bobby's fates. I'm not an oracle

Starting point is 02:18:06 i'm just saying you didn't on the democrats side if the party doesn't want you you got a big problem with that with burning you know i wouldn't run as a democrat that i don't even understand like he can't switch it's a democratic he says he's a democrat i totally get that but you're not gonna with like you're you're not gonna it would be like why would you not for the exact reason that for exact reason that you like them

Starting point is 02:18:28 Because that's what he believes. Yeah, that's why he's doing it. This is what I believe so if Biden's the guy and Trump's the guy again We saw this movie you said quite poignantly the sequels never good as the first time around How ugly is 2024 election gonna be when it's Biden Trump round two? I mean, you know, as ugly as it can get, because that's what works. And, you know, look, it's much harder. You know, if you think about it, the Greeks gave us the word demagogue, right? Somebody who plays on anger, outrage, and prejudice to gather support. Very old word.

Starting point is 02:19:04 No positive opposite. Why? Because it's easier to go that way. It works. You play to what somebody's scared. Look, look, look at the vaccine stuff. You play to what's something in front. You don't know what they're shooting into you. People believe that there's nanotechnology in the vaccine that is allowing big brother to control you?

Starting point is 02:19:27 Not a shred of evidence of that, but it goes to my fear. The economy in Tversky, the psychologists who won the Nobel Prize for Economics, they distilled this principle that if you offer somebody a hundred bucks right now or give them a coin toss on a thousand, they take the hundred. There's no statistical analysis that would support that. Unless you're a hundred dollars from death, you know what I mean. And then you just take what you have. People play scared.

Starting point is 02:19:56 They play to self-protection. They play it safe. So if you can trigger that, this is a threat to you, especially if it goes to family or your kids, your health, it is powerful. Way more than give me a hug. Way more than I know you guys don't share everything, but you share a lot more than you think. Don't be afraid of them.

Starting point is 02:20:18 Get past your fear. That's hard. And sure, they can show your kids, my kids, all the kids of different colors in the beginning, they're all, they all like each other. Why? Yeah, that's nature versus nurture. It's not what our world is. It's what our world could be, right?

Starting point is 02:20:36 It's what all the great religions are trying to teach us in terms of an ecumenical, you know, standard of self-respect and respect of others, but that's not where we are. We talked about Schumer earlier. So talking about you, I think your brother's got a few million dollars in a pack. I think I read it like a couple weeks ago, I may be wrong, but so meaning he can still do something and run again, and I don't know what he's gonna run for.

Starting point is 02:20:59 But you know, when COVID happened, and you're seeing him talk, and you're seeing him do what he's doing and You know, I think him and you a OC and the blast you had a shit I don't know what it was over Amazon basals was gonna move and he's gonna yeah 125,000 already 25,000 jobs at a hundred fifty thousand dollar salary in aOC's like this is not fair It's gonna increase rent and then your brother's like what are you talking about? We need these jobs here And the blast you and a OC were you not so it's not like your brother's a, what are you talking about? We need these jobs here. And the bless you and AOC were you not. So it's not like your brother's A,

Starting point is 02:21:26 the bless you, AOC, you know, far, he's not that guy. And then I'm like, okay, so he understands capitalism for him to say, yes, bring the good jobs here. And then you're seeing the way he's handling it, he would also poke back at Trump. That's probably the benefit of being raised in a family that probably talks a lot of shit to each other.

Starting point is 02:21:48 And you've been in the limelight where you can have a thicker skin that you can handle. You're like, I can handle Trump. And then you're like, this guy could actually do something. In my mind, the book comes out, makes the money, he gets the criticism for the book. And then the 13, 14,000 people that, you know, the old folks homes that he gets criticism for uh... the book and then the thirteen fourteen thousand people that you know the old folks homes that he gets criticism for that but but the part that was weird for me uh... christ and i'm curious what you'll say to this

Starting point is 02:22:14 it wasn't like the republicans or even new yorkers turn on the guy my feeling was i could be wrong i felt like the My feeling was I could be wrong. I felt like the Pelosi's and Schumers turned against him and they're like, hey, this guy's getting a little bit So then I'm going in my own mind against speculation. I don't know. I'm not you and I don't come in this the first time You and I have talk face to face. It's important for the audience to know this we've exchanged text We've never never had a phone call to get it. This is actually the first time I'm saying, this shit about anti-establishment doesn't exist. Okay, and Cuomo Andrew seems like a guy that could actually do what his father didn't

Starting point is 02:22:57 want to do. Maybe this actually wants to do it. Did these guys flip on him because behind closed doors, he told them, hey, screw you, leave me alone. I'm going to run my state. I'm going to be loyal publicly to you guys, but don't come and tell me what to do and threat me all this other stuff. I'm going to do what I do because maybe in the next couple years he's going to run. Is there any speculation to maybe the polosis and shumas felt they couldn't control them so they threw them under the bus? I mean, is there speculation about it? I suppose, but it's no matter what. I mean, is there speculation about it, I suppose,

Starting point is 02:23:27 but it's not my opinion. And obviously, Andrew makes his own case, answers for himself. He's in a party, party has rules, OK? And the allegations against him broke the party's rules. Did he have a basis of love and wanting to protect him within the party? Certainly not a sufficient one. Was that because of jealousy?

Starting point is 02:23:55 Or was it because of principle? I don't know, you're gonna have to ask the people that decided to support him or not support him. But I don't see any conspiracy behind it. I just see a lot of pain. And look, my brother is a mechanic, okay? That's what he is. Andrew is a master mechanic.

Starting point is 02:24:18 Engines, like literally, he is a master mechanic and he fixes. That's what Andrew does. He is always trying, yes, he's my brother, yes, I love him the death, yes, I'll defend him the death. But if there is a defense that is merit-based, it's... He thinks he's trying to fix. And that's all he sees. And that's his perspective.

Starting point is 02:24:51 So, the, oh yeah, but, you know, this guy doesn't really like you and you got to spread the love and you got it. He's not the guy. And he's not going to be the most popular. The media did not like him. People will put that on likeability. You talk to his family, you talk to his friends, he's plenty likeable if he wants you to like him.

Starting point is 02:25:12 He's not looking to get buddy-buddy with people that he doesn't respect and he doesn't appreciate in terms of what his own goals are. During the pandemic, and you don't have to believe me, but I don't know what my motivation would be to lie I Never talked to him about running for president never I I never Saw that the only thing I would say is because remember I'm his brother okay the few people understand the media better than I do

Starting point is 02:25:39 Just as a matter of experience not intelligence, you know how can you do something 25 plus? You did not know much about that. No question about that. So I was worried about exposure. I was worried about, you know, the president of the United States getting sideways with you. You know, it's not that Andrew is a trash talk or it's that Andrew hates trash talk. You know, like when we would play basketball, me, pop, love trash talk.

Starting point is 02:26:08 I love talking trash. I love it. I somehow don't get that vibe from Andrew. I'm being sarcastic. I hope you take that as a compliment. Yeah, go ahead. Andrew is not a trash talk. Yeah. Really? Yeah. In fact, the only person I've ever seen I'm really take the piss out of on a regular basis is me. But, you know, I'm his brother and that's our relationship. But Andrews do not say, guy, you know, like, I always say, you know, when we do self-defense training, I always say, you know, if someone's talking, we're in good shape.

Starting point is 02:26:41 We're in good shape, you know. PBD can be saying, I'm about to knock your head off. As long as he's saying it, I still got a chance here to get out of it. Andrew is not going to say shit, okay? It's like, you know, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. So for him, it's not a banter of the war of words. He doesn't want that. He wants to get things done.

Starting point is 02:27:02 He wants to figure out if there's a deal to be made. And if you want to fight, then you're going to get a fight. So that's his disposition. That has not changed. He has not been changed by this. He's been forged by this experience. He is more him than ever. He protected his kids.

Starting point is 02:27:20 He protected his family. He did what he could. I do believe public services in his bones that gives me concern as a brother and someone who loves him. I think he's done enough, I think he's given enough. But he's gonna... He's a player, though.

Starting point is 02:27:37 He's gonna make his own choices. Look, I think it is hard for somebody who believes that the mandate is from the people, not the powerful, not the powerful, to have anything end in service without it coming from them. Lose an election, lose an election. Like my pop, 1994. All the polls have him personal, pretty good.

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Starting point is 02:28:52 rather have him than who we have today. And I think a lot of people feel the same way. And if he was on the other side going up against Trump, it would have been very natural and quite frankly, purely out of a guy that loves competition. You know, Messy yesterday scored a goal. Down the street two miles away from here, he scored a goal, the placement. And where? Same.

Starting point is 02:29:11 Game went away with 94 minutes, you know. And take the back step. See, and this is such an interesting instruction in our culture. Messy wasn't feeling well or something like that, or he's injured. He is getting dressed. So I'm down here, South Florida, right?

Starting point is 02:29:24 This is like a huge thing for you guys. He is getting dressed. So I'm down here South Florida, right? This is like a huge thing for you guys. He is getting dragged. What a money play. What oh shit. He's not going to play all the ticket prices popped and he did not even go to be in the guy. Levels up goes in game winning gold. That was right here.

Starting point is 02:29:38 Show the goal. If you can. This was so said, but this is our culture right now. Hey, them. Hey, them. Hey, them. Hey, them. Hey, them, hey, them, hey, them, boom, he's a hero. And look, it's fine in sports. It's why we love sports.

Starting point is 02:29:51 But man, oh man, this, this, you know, race. I get a cup of Mario, by the way, I get a cup of Mario. I'm so upset I didn't go to the game. Everybody's like, how crazy was it? Were you at the game? I'm like, one mile away. I totally had no idea what it was playing last night. They thought you didn't go to the game. Everybody's like, how crazy was it? Were you at the game? Like, one mile away. I totally had no idea what was going on.

Starting point is 02:30:06 He wasn't playing last night. They thought you had to even play last night. I don't think even start the game. No, but look, that's the point. Is that we have become so reactionary. Hate him, hate him, hate him. Love him, love him, love him. And there's a media play into it, sure.

Starting point is 02:30:22 It's a big part of what the mission of news nation is. And I know that that can be confusing and confounding, pick a side. There is a side. It's your side. Wherever your interests lay, that's the way you cover whatever it is that's going on.

Starting point is 02:30:40 You are the voice box for the people. You are the proxy with the powerful. Let's stay on this with Andrew. So the December of last year, he has a meeting in New York with Kelly and Conway. Okay. They've been friends for a long time. Of course. And you know, that's the... I've been friends with her for 30 years. She's a beast, by the way. I mean, she's an absolute... Well, there was a lot of special information.

Starting point is 02:31:01 That's the word that I would use. Well, I would say on TV, she's a, she's a, she's formidable to us as a compliment. So that's a very much of a compliment. Is it a good thing? No, no, she's very attractive. But what I mean is she's a, she's a super competitor. And then story comes out, she's smiling, he's smiling.

Starting point is 02:31:18 Then three months later, she's getting a divorce. It's very March of 2023. She's going to go down the rabbit hole. I'm just asking you questions So so so then I'm sitting there saying okay, there's a friendship Kellyanne is smart enough to know this is gonna be Pictures are gonna be taken Andrew knows pictures are gonna be taken if you're doing this You don't give a shit if these pictures gonna be taken publicly

Starting point is 02:31:40 So that's fine, but then three months later that happens now George Conway to be fair publicly so that's fine that's right but then three months later that happens now George Conway to be fair uh... he's part of the Lincoln project groups which is kind of like not the most friendly of who she is and then we've seen you know Conway the daughter the the snapchat videos are very wish dynamic fair yeah so is there is there a uh... you want to know of my brothers with kelly and connoisseur uh...

Starting point is 02:32:06 it is over the is that we want to know now about by the way they look very good together for what it's for them i'm like they look like a couple do they not look like a couple coming up well they're a couple of people coming out at the same time it looks like a nice couple looking you know people coming out you know if he runs again would it be something more for new yorko would be more something national

Starting point is 02:32:30 all i don't know that's for him that's for him i mean look it's hard to take a quomo out of new york uh... it's it's uh... it's so deep again in the marrow uh... but that's that's for him to decide uh... to do nothing to anything else. The man is incredibly capable. Is he loved still in New York?

Starting point is 02:32:50 I would have to believe it depends on the moment that you ask. So if he goes to restaurants that are making pay for. Oh yeah, no, he's still making pay for. Well, he better pay. Really? Yeah. There's nothing for free, brother. Nothing for free.

Starting point is 02:33:02 You know, you're like, you know, he gets a lot of love. In fact, that's what I'm, I'll tell you some of the question how it is. When, when, uh, we were going through what I call the troubles and I would say to him, I came out more, right? Because I look, I'm not going to hide. All right, that's not how I am. I had to hide a little bit in the beginning because they were killing my family. Um, so anyway, I say to him, you know, you should come out on the boat with me a little bit. He got me into boating, he got me into fishing, you know, I mean, he's the big brother. Everything I know about cars and old hot rods, which were both very active with, I learned from him.

Starting point is 02:33:40 So I said, you know, let's go. I said, I don't want to cause any trouble. I don't want any trouble. I said, there's, let's go. I don't want to cause any trouble. I don't want to try. I said, there's not going to be trouble. Even the reddest of the red Trump hat wearer, when they see Andrew would come up to him. And again, Andrew's a big, you know, he's like PPD size. So it's like, you know, I don't know what you were expecting,

Starting point is 02:34:04 but he's not the guy you're going to run up to. He not the guy you're gonna run up to and start talking a lot of trash um now he's being like his side so they would come up to him say I don't agree with your politics I don't like what happened to you I think you believed in what you were doing I appreciate what you did during the pandemic. I'm sorry about what happened. It's wrong what they did to you. Now, some of them, it's just, I hate Democrats, so I'm going to say that, you know,

Starting point is 02:34:33 the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But I'm telling you, it's overwhelming response. Now, I'm not saying that they won't show a poll and that Democrats aren't upset at them or that he's lost approval or his numbers are down. I'm sure all of that's true. But politics is about a moment in time and what you present in that moment,

Starting point is 02:34:53 what your message is and whether it resonates or not in the vessel of you as a messenger. And I think the future's wide open for him. He's incredibly talented. I personally, okay okay I got his back 100% whatever he wants to do I'm there he's my brother. Just makes her add news nation if he runs don't interview him I don't think that's I don't think that that would be in the cards. Although I'll tell you what though.

Starting point is 02:35:19 On the podcast different story. I'll tell you what I look to me I'm just you know I don't want to I don't want anymore you know anything look to me, I don't want any more. You know what I mean, I can't, I don't want any more smoke. I don't want any more smoke. I mean, I can take the smoke, I'm built for the smoke, but I'm pretty smoky. So people, people ask me all the time for those interviews. I would love that again. I'd love to see you guys talking and you razzin' about what it is that he does and being a politician and all that

Starting point is 02:35:46 I really liked great TV, but here's the problem that takes us back to the big problem, which is why I'm at news nation There is group think and there is cultural bias within media and every system There is a disconnect between the people watching this. This is different because podcasts are more curated to their audience. And the media itself. There are different standards. I've never had a regular person say to me, I can't believe you interviewed your brother. You know, you should have been asking him the hard questions. Never, because that makes no sense, okay, to a regular person.

Starting point is 02:36:31 I get why people in the media feel differently about it, okay? But that disconnect, you know, the media would go crazy if I was in the same media setting with my brother. People would probably love it. So what do you do? From his perspective, you do it. From my perspective, you don't, because the media will kill me. And I got to exist in the media, and I'm not PBD. You guys have, you're in the media writ large, but you're not journalists and you are not subject to journalists appraisals.

Starting point is 02:37:11 And you can say all but people don't care. Listen, when they say, whenever they want, Chris Cuomo comma fired for lying to CNN comma, it hurts. And it doesn't just hurt because it's untrue, it hurts because it echoes. And that's what it is for me. You can say whatever you want about me helping my brother.

Starting point is 02:37:29 You can say what you want about me helping my brother while I was working at CNN. You're free to have your opinion. I didn't lie. And that matters. That matters. So, I think his future is wide open. He's going to have to determine it. I know he'll talk to me about it.

Starting point is 02:37:48 We don't always agree on everything. I hate the two-party system. I think it is the problem. I don't even think it's part of the problem. I think it is the problem. I get that people say, yeah, but third party, all you're going to do is be a spoiler for nothing changes if nothing changes. So if that's not the best change, then what is it?

Starting point is 02:38:08 And why isn't part of the analysis from the Democrat side? Well, let's say Biden doesn't muster the entire time. Don't you want someone out there who's generating some type of basis of support to become a counterpoint to Trump if he is the candidate there that you're so worried about. Or do you really just want to be one or none?

Starting point is 02:38:33 Quick question on brotherhood since you're talking about your brother. Again, Pat and I loved everything you guys were doing. It was amazing, amazing TV. We talk about brotherhood a lot. We've had a two podcasts with Andrew Tate, talk about masculinity, brotherhood, everything with that. Pat's an army guy, I was a football guy, brotherhood, we understand that.

Starting point is 02:38:56 On CNN, it seemed as if your brother, you were as close as brothers was your buddy, Don Lemon, or as Pat calls him Don Lemon. It's because of my English. He's got English. He's a don't forgive my English. He's a talker file. But since you're firing from CNN, he's also been fired.

Starting point is 02:39:18 What happened with that situation and how close are you guys these days? Look, what happened to me at CNN hurt a lot of my relationships. What I control is what I say and do and how I feel. I was very upset that Don lost his position at CNN. I want all good things for him. Our situation is now complicated because I was fired, explained as having been a negative force on CNN, a deceptive force to a place he cares about, and there was a narrative put out about why our boss was fired that was set up to blame

Starting point is 02:40:08 me for something I had nothing to do with. It doesn't even make sense. But this takes time and takes time to process, you know, and this isn't a hedge. I mean, relationships are complicated. I care a lot about him. I want good things for him. He's ridiculously talented. But what they did to me there hurt me and hurt relationships

Starting point is 02:40:32 and created an environment where a lot of the people who were close to me aren't now out of what they were instructed, what they sensed, what they were told, what they decided to believe, and life is long, and what I know is I want good things for him. And I have never faked the funk on TV. If I care about somebody, I care about him. If I don't, I don't say anything. I call a lot of people brother because I believe in fraternity.

Starting point is 02:41:08 I believe that we have to do everything we can to reinforce our connections to each other. And some people say that's not the job of a journalist. I don't agree. I think advocacy is a component of things that are right and righteous. There is good and bad. There is right and wrong.

Starting point is 02:41:24 Sometimes it's great, you have to pursue the different aspects of it. That's why I love crime, and that's why at News Nation, we do so much crime. But the idea that I don't like or are now enemies with, that's all bullshit, it's not true. Last question, when you had COVID, did you ever take Ivermectin or hydroxychloric, did you take any of those things?

Starting point is 02:41:46 No, but only because my doctors told me that they didn't know. Remdesivir also, they didn't know what it would do that there was concern about side effects. Remember, I got it very early on. And also, hydroxychloroquine as one drug in particular, with people who had the pneumonia aspect of it, Remdesivir, there are pneumonia applications for those drugs. That wasn't my thing, although I did have a scare where I started to get a shadow in one lung,

Starting point is 02:42:24 where they became worried and they gave me this spirometer thing and you had to work on your lung capacity and I was doing it all the time. I was really sick. It really bothers me when people play with that. I get why they play with it. But it bothers me, the idea that I was making shit up or anything like that. I was doing just fine.

Starting point is 02:42:49 I didn't need to make up something to do well on television. And I got that long COVID stuff afterwards. And now I don't know, is it that I'm 53? Is it that I've gotten tackled and hit so much in my life, you know, or that I've been clanging and banging for so long. I don't know, and they don't know enough about long COVID, but I'm telling you, my resting breathing rate has never been the same. My VO2 max, the RPMs that my engine can get to

Starting point is 02:43:19 were still good, but my idling is not what it was. My ability to walk and talk by my breathing is not what it used to be. My soft tissue, now again, age, you know, it's gonna be a lot of different things, is not what it was. My blood levels and my inflammation markers are not what they were.

Starting point is 02:43:47 And I kept getting it. I think I, you know, I think I've had it three times. COVID, yeah. Which one was the worst? It was the first one that was not in the pool. I never felt anything got it. I never felt anything like that. I had fever, freaky, I don't remember a lot of doing the shows.

Starting point is 02:44:08 I had no idea how the work was resonating. I had no idea. I had no idea how many people were watching it or anything like that. My day was like, I'm sure you can identify this. My day was like a haze of fever, meds, my wife giving me all of these homeopathic, I would take anything.

Starting point is 02:44:32 So, it wasn't that I was never anti this or anti that. It was don't tell people this is what you take to beat something when you don't even know what the hell it is. And it's not even its primary application. I didn't spend a lot of time going after your boy, Rogan, and I understand why guys like him or even Tucker, there's a currency in going after me because there was a perception of what I represented on the left.

Starting point is 02:44:55 It was never fair as an assessment. And if they spoke to me directly, I guarantee you, they wouldn't have said the same things that they say about me. But that's the price. That's the price of entry. And do I like it? No, do I accept it? Yes, that's why I'm at news nation.

Starting point is 02:45:14 I believe that it's worth what comes with it to try to do something that helps. And that's the best feedback I've ever gotten in my life is what we do there. Yes, news nation's not weaponized the way CNN was for the purposes of one political agenda or another, but people say I've been looking for this. I've been looking for this. Because the idea of all I want is the facts. Look, then get this. If all you want the facts, do you homework? Media is who, what, where, and when, but why is an all-consuming question? Perspective matters. Context matters. Testing matters. That is the most important part of the job to me. It's the part that matters most. I'll go back to Ukraine. I'll go to an area of conflict.

Starting point is 02:45:57 I'll do news coverage of disasters. I'd rather not do hurricanes, I think it's stupid, to stand out and whether that you're telling people not to be in. But you guys love it. So there's that. But testing power. You know, going at McDonald's, hey, what's the truth and not truth with the black minority franchisees going at the government? These hearings next week. I like Congressman Birchett.

Starting point is 02:46:21 I like where his head's at. If this is the same stuff that we've heard already and the guys who know more aren't there, that's a problem, man. And that's a problem for Congress. The Kennedy assassination stuff. Oh, we got bigger problems. It is the root, the dossier, the Mueller probe.

Starting point is 02:46:40 These hearings where they tell us they believe they're gonna be able to show things, but they don't show us things It's it's feeding the problem We need a lot more transparency. We need a lot more let the ideas come out my problem with the Twitter file I'm a big fan of Michael Schellenberger and Taiibi. I don't know Barry Weiss I've heard and read some of her stuff. I get why she has good reputation But I know them.

Starting point is 02:47:06 I didn't like that Musk picked to give the information to it. Breeds distrust, and I was worried for Shellenberger specifically because I know them better, that you're going to become a target now because people are going to say, well, what choices were you making with the data? Who would have been better? Everyone. Put it all out. Create a file of what you think the universe of valid information

Starting point is 02:47:29 but don't tie it to a face or a name is what you're saying. Just put it all out don't give it to you and then you decide what I know. Decentralization. Look if Elon's Elon Musk's goal was to expose, then expose. Say what you want about WikiLeaks. I don't know why it became an enemy of theirs. I really don't get it. I really don't get it. But be that as it may.

Starting point is 02:47:59 Put it out and let people decide. The media will do their job. But take away the weapon of saying, why haven't you seen it for myself? Well, that's not everything. Take it out of the equation. It'll give, if I'm the Biden team, I'm telling you about the payments.

Starting point is 02:48:18 Now, I get why the experts will say, don't give air to that. There's nothing there, let the prosecutors force you to have to discuss it. That is absolutely the sage advice. And if I'm your lawyer and I'm a lawyer, that's what I'm telling you. Shut up.

Starting point is 02:48:34 Let them make us have to do something, right? The burden's not on us. That's not politics. That's not the court of public opinion. If you want to be seen as better than Trump, then show that you as better than Trump, then show that you're better than Trump. Otherwise, you're not going to be able to make the case. As convincingly as you could otherwise.

Starting point is 02:48:51 You're going to say something like that. What you're saying, I think, ultimately is Cuomo Cuomo 2024. Well, wouldn't be me. Maybe one of my sisters. I run from office, not for office. It's not for me, bro. Have my vote, really. If you and Andrew, if you can do better, thank you. 4-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 entertaining on doing that podcast. But Chris, this has been, it's interesting because when we did the Anthony Weiner interview, I said, I said, I said the following, we're going

Starting point is 02:49:31 to go out towards Rob, you remember what I said? I said, let me tell you, over under, there's a chance Chris is going to tell them, dude, you do not want to go there because you don't know what path is going to be saying and he's going to do this and he's going to do that. And I said, you know, we'll see, you know, and some gonna be saying and he's gonna do this and he's gonna do that. And I said, we'll see, you know, and some people say, Chris, he's still gonna show up. I'm telling you, Chris's still gonna show up. I said, I don't know. I think he may or may not,

Starting point is 02:49:52 because Anthony, the interview that we had was very much of a combative from the beginning when he came in, it was a different interview. You're not Anthony Weiner. I was looking forward to doing this interview, but I was also looking. You're not Anthony Weiner. I was looking forward to doing this interview, but I was also looking forward to doing the Anthony Weiner interview, but I actually like what you, your brother,

Starting point is 02:50:10 how you guys are, the family, the Cuomo, when you think about the last names. And by the way, here's a weirdest thing about our show, which I freaking love. I'm doing business with this guy. We're about to sign a multi-year contract with an OTT company and We're launching a vitamin OTT. The owner of the company one of these days. I'll really say he's a multi-billion a very well-known name

Starting point is 02:50:32 He sees my interview with Alex Jones Comes back. He says we can't have by a team is OTT be with us His salesperson who's a die hard by a tenor follows our contacts in Pat This is why they don't want to have the OTT because you had Alex on okay. Couple weeks later we have Anthony Wieneran. I'm getting text messages from people saying Pat, you've sold out, you this, you that I said listen guys. If there is a place for all of us to be able to talk together and have the conversations. You'd be the judge of it. You know, you could say, you know what, he made a good point, I totally disagree with him.

Starting point is 02:51:09 I can't even believe what Patrick said, that makes no sense, no problem. My conversation is here, you get to say whatever you say, you're the audience, you're the people, but the idea is my favorite types of conversations are these and have a lot of respect for you for saying yes. Have a lot of respect for you for coming out here. I ask you said, that's the only reason I'm coming out.

Starting point is 02:51:29 You're not out here with family for vacation. You're here to do the podcast and go back. So if you're watching this, you enjoyed it as much as I did. Rob, let's put the link again below to go and subscribe to Chris's YouTube channel. The Chris Cuomo project, as well as his show, News Nation, News Nation, weeknights, 8 p.m. Once again, with News Nation, Chris,

Starting point is 02:51:53 appreciate you for coming out. Gang, have a great weekend. We'll do this again next week. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye, bye-bye. This is the best thing. you

PBD Podcast - Chris Cuomo | PBD Podcast | Ep. 289

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