PBD Podcast - Clay Travis & Buck Sexton On Elon Musk Destroying BBC Reporter LIVE | Ep. 258 | Part 2

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

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Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet the theory I know this life meant for me Yeah, why would you plan on the life when we got that David? Value payment, giving values to Tages This world of entrepreneurs, we can't no value to hate it Howdy run homie, look what I've become I'm the entrepreneur

Why did he lose last time? why did he lose last time? Why did he lose last time? 2020. Why did he lose? Oh man. So I'll go I'll go first on this one. Okay, so that's such an interesting question. There are of course a lot of people who voted for them

who say he didn't lose. He didn't lose. That's there. That's their belief. And to that I just say that's not where I'm going. No, no, no, no, I know I understand. I'm just saying there are a lot of people who put them. That's their, that's their belief. And to that, I just say, that's not where I'm going. No, no, no, I, I know I understand. I'm just saying there are a lot of people who put them that, that's their approach. And I just say to them, they did rig the system, but Joe Biden is president. So it doesn't really matter, right? So that's

where I come from on the perspective of, I'm dealing with the reality today. Okay. Why do you lose? He lost because other than all the dirty stuff that Democrats did, which we could talk about for a whole show on its own, he was basically missing an action for about six weeks at the beginning of the BLM riots. And this all happened on Trump's watch. There was about a period there from the beginning of June, right after George Floyd,

till middle of July, where the president was effectively not really doing anything. And I think that left a really bad taste in the mouths of a lot of voters who would come out for them. And also on COVID, which, you know, that becomes very complicated because it's like once in a century pandemic or whatever, you know, he didn't he didn't fire Fauci. He didn't he didn't do as much. I think he could have been like the spokesperson

for the Santas. But that's true though. These are what what have I said that's not true. The conversation about Fauci, but I guess let me ask a question in a different way. Would he have one say COVID never happens? He wins a landslide landslide. Yes. Why though? Why does he win by landslide? Because this I've spent a ton of time looking at all the data on this.

So first of all, let's start with the numbers. He came so close, and I don't think we talk about how close it was. And when I say, what would you ask, you think Biden would be Trump? I don't know. I think we'll be up to 3am. I think we'll be up to 4am. I think we'll be waiting in 2024 for weeks

to find out what's gonna happen in Arizona. What are the, you know, when there's the fire alarms gonna stop going off the Bolton County, because it's gonna be right on the margins. Just like 16 was, 20,000, and I say this on the show, but I think it's so important.

If 20,000 people change their vote, 20,000, that's one NBA arena in the entire country out of 156 million people who vote in Wisconsin, in Georgia, and in Arizona, Trump's president. Okay. So with COVID, even with COVID, right? Right. Right.

Right. But I'm talking without COVID. Without COVID, he wins a landslide. How bad of a landslide. I mean, to the extent that you can win a landslide, I mean, I think you would have won Pennsylvania. I think you would have won Michigan. I think you would have won every state. He would have flipped some additional state.

And I think he may have flipped Minnesota. I mean, so I think it would have not been here's my question. That's why your question was so hard just to be fair because it was the, you know, once it was like the asteroid hits the Earth's scenario. But let me take one by asking this question because, you know, it's so hard for all of us. You guys are smart. There's plenty of smart guys out there that are presenting their argument, right? Here's what I think. There's all of us, we have a stubborn side

and we have an open-minded side. Some of us have a bigger stubborn side than the other, some of us have a bigger open-minded side than the other one. It's good when it's a good balance, but I think you should still stick your core convictions yet be open-minded. I think that's a good host.

Yeah. And then somebody that you listen to, you're able to. So, okay. So if he would have won by a landslide, if COVID never happened, and he had already fired a shit ton of people. So for that point to say, well, you know, so many people just didn't work out.

You can criticize me. Yeah, I agree. You can say this because everything has to be perfect. Like, under his watch, it's as if he can never make a mistake. I agree. That's a weakness. But, but he's still what I want to landslide. Even he did.

Yeah. Okay. So, what else did he do? The economy was great. This was great. I was over the borders. No more, no ISIS. You know, ISIS used to be a topic of discussion.

Every if we did podcasts right now, six years ago, all we're talking about is ISIS, ISIS, ISIS. We don more, no ISIS. You know, ISIS used to be a topic of discussion. If we did podcasts right now six years ago, all we're talking about is ISIS, ISIS, ISIS. We don't talk about ISIS. If you were to go search how many times you talk about ISIS, you don't talk about it. I don't know, okay. So how about we go to Afghanistan, we talk about Ukraine, Russia,

would that have happened? The trade, China, how we bullied them, we got them in their place. Hey, Huawei, ladies, CFOs in Canada, is doing deals with Iran, Huawei can no longer do business in US 33% stock. So there was so many of these things that was going on that you felt like, okay, we can't be bullied. I kind of like this and there's no war.

Economies good, I'm growing, I'm doing business. Now, you know, we had Giuliani on, I don't know what it was. Last week got a live podcast. It was Giuliani and Dave Rubin. It was great because Rubin is more de-santis and Giuliani is going to be loyal to Trump, which makes it a very good show where we can kind of go back and forth. You know, and Giuliani is, well, let me tell you, you know, what happened with the rigged alike. I'm like, yeah, it's just not attractive.

It's not going to work. It's not going to work. You know, when my kids complain about losing it at the other person cheated, you don't get anything from me that weekend. That's not attractive to me. I've lost because others cheated. And, you know, get stronger, get better. Do any of that stuff that you gotta be doing.

So, for me, the thing, and I'll turn it over to you, if he would have won with a landslide, with no COVID, landslide, there is no COVID today. Zero, COVID is gone. Okay. Should he not win by a landslide today because America would be okay with his policies? How much has changed between the landslide? Take out COVID than today. So this is going to annoy me to say, but I think it's true and it's proven by the data. So I'm not happy with this reality, but I think it is a reality.

I would gladly vote for Donald Trump again, and I think he'd be a very good president again. But everything that you're setting up for this historical counterfactual, you also have to put in there, what does the whole January 6th thing do? Not for me, because I think the media has completely overplayed it and they call it an insurrection.

And I know what an insurrection looks like. I was in the CIA. It wasn't an insurrection, but they do this because they think it's effective with moderates and independent. Well, it was effective in 2022. I hate to, that's what you look at the candidates who didn't win, who should have won. And they were all focused in on the election and they were too tied to that aspect. They had no credibility today.

They did it. It's Russia for three years and they stopped talking about it after Durham came out and they silenced you. So I agree with you, but I'm saying it's I'm telling you the January 6th thing is going to make it harder to win independence the next time around because there's this fatigue with people. They're like, uh, so media is going to do the propaganda. The crazy question. Let me flip the question on you. So what are independence tired of Biden with? What are independent sick of Biden with today? Let me flip it on you

and just ask this. Flip it back and forth. 81. Let's assume that the voting is accurate. 81 million people voted against the Donald Trump. Sure. They did not vote for Joe Biden. We could drive around anywhere in South Florida and find the Biden voters. None of them like Joe Biden. There were no Biden signs on anybody's lawn. There's no Biden bumper sticker.

Joe Biden had a rally. Sure. If Joe Biden had a rally in Miami, nobody is showing up. So my question, this is what we were hitting on earlier, that I think everybody out there if you objectively look at it is, we live in a world where people make up their mind. And I appreciate what you're saying. You have a core set of values, but you're willing to look at the data and change your mind. That's not most people.

Those 81 million people have convinced themselves on some level that Trump is Hitler, right? So in order for Trump to win, you have to believe one of two things. You asked the question, how many people are actually persuadable? Let's say 156 million people voted, maybe a million people are actually willing to change their votes. I mean, I like one of the same people that voted for Bush, that voted for Obama, that ended up voting for Trump, they're not going to, but there's like one million. You're fighting over time.

You're fighting for the time he's the sliver. If you're going to make, I do believe in 20 without COVID, Trump wins big. But I think that the situation has changed in 24 because all of those people have now come in and they have put themselves in the camp of, hey, I am of the opinion that a Donald Trump is wrong. So you have to get those people to change their mind or you have to convince me and maybe you could that way less people are going to vote in 24 because it's not going to be as tumultuous of it. So I don't buy this out there because I said this on the radio show, Patrick.

I'm going to challenge you guys as an amateur. No, no, go for it. I'm loving the challenge. If they rolled out Joe Biden, drooling on himself with a blanket across his knees, every Democrat that you and I know who voted for in the last time around will come out and vote for him again without exception because they vote. They vote.

They vote. The government is the perfect example of it. They vote. A betterment. Fenderman is the perfect example of it. They vote for the party machinery. Yeah. They do not vote for the candidate. Fenderman can't even speak. They do not care. He won by four points in one of the biggest tosses. And you know why? But we're going to lose. We're going to lose Pennsylvania again.

I have a couple of friends who have run for Congress there and Senate there. And we're going to lose Pennsylvania again because the Democrats are better organized, better funded, and pay more attention to how to win in that state. Whereas we have a lot of big voices who are saying, oh, but we should all vote on election day. The Democrats in Pennsylvania, other places, or how do we maximize our efficiency

in getting the most votes counted legally, or illegally if they can get away with it, whatever doesn't matter, they're just trying to win. All right, so let's let's look at this, what's changed? So we have all agreed here, including yourself. If COVID doesn't happen,

Trump wins by landslide. We've all agreed on that. That Trump's gonna. Oh, like Toro landslide, by the way, it doesn't mean that like he might not have won the popular vote, but he would have won. Of course, he would be president,

what we're saying, totally get it. So fine, so and we all agree that COVID is not the Of course, he would be president, as we're saying. Totally get it. So fine. And we all agree that COVID is not the main issue, top five issue today, not even top 10 issue today, as it was two years ago. No, thank God. There should be, by the way, a reckoning. I'm glad we're totally honest, but yeah. There's not.

So that main issue that we were all obsessed with for two and a half years, or let me rephrase it, we were forced to be obsessed for two and a half years, that's gone. That main issue's gone. That main issue is gone. No problem. Let's see what has changed in the last three years on top of what you just said. You're saying, well, you know, you have to realize the January 6th, the this, the this, the that.

No problem. In the last three years, a guy named Elon Musk bought Twitter. In the last three years, a guy named Joe Rogan, who was a Pat Smokin, you know, psychedelics, Iowaska, UFC guy that was willing to vote for Bernie Sanders says, yeah, to save things, you got to vote Republican. Yeah. No one in a million years would have guessed he would say that. Elon Musk would have said that and how they own it now rumbles creating a ton of momentum and on top of that let's see what else has changed let's see what else has

changed we didn't have this shit with transgender stuff a few years ago okay so so let me get to straight you talk about moms how many moms have daughters whether they're republican or democrats fifty percent of, let's just reuse the number 50% every other six that's born, it's a girl. Okay, how many daughters are sitting there talking to mom and say, mom, but I can't beat him, but I can't beat him.

I don't know how to beat him. Okay, we didn't have that. Now it's front and center everywhere. It's okay let him beat it's because if they identify, they can do this. Moms are sending their Democrats, they're probably saying, I'm sorry, man, I was a Democrat, Bill Clinton Democrat. I'm even Obama Democrat. This shit doesn't make any sense.

I'm not a Democrat if I have to subscribe to this. This is out of control. Let me continue. Let me continue. This is me that you're describing, except I'm a dude. So, so I'm going to continue and I'm going to, you got three boys. Imagine the mom would have grown, right? So I got two boys, two girls, you're thinking,

dude, you ain't gonna do that and embarrass my daughter as a freaking guy, that outta here. What are you talking about? What happened to protecting women? That creates rage, right? And I'm not willing you to allow you to bully my daughter. It doesn't matter politically, I'm still daughter over politics.

I believe moms are daughter over politics. Fine, let's continue. This Dylan Mulvaney stuff that's going on, even more stuff. Education, you're trying to teach my kids about gay, you know, whatever first grade, second grade, third grade, kind of weird. Okay, let's give the Roe v. Way to the other side, which has changed. That's massive. I do believe that is massive that we've had in the last year. I think January 6th people are like, listen, I get it. Yes, a year ago, I don't think people are going to care six months from now. I don't think they're going to care 12 months from now. So where I'm going with this is the following. I have a whole different view with the centrist. I think the centrist is a stud of a guy,

and I think the centrist needs a different marketing team and my criticism for the census not policies. My criticism for the census more marketing than it's anything else. So for me, when I sit there and I think about that, it's okay, you say a lot has changed, but I think a lot has changed to favor him, not to hurt him. I think a lot of people that wouldn't have voted for three years ago are saying,

they're saying, do that. I don't like him, I can't stand that freaking guy. But let me tell you, this Hillary Ronan lady, who's in District 9 of San Francisco board, who just two years ago said, hear me out. I am about defunding the police. And now she's crying, talking, nobody showed up. They're not putting the funds in. We need more cops.

You know, shit, Sherlock. And she just got off of Twitter yesterday because now you realize the amount of hypocrisy that people, even in San Francisco, Nick Sarah Foster comes out and says, what the hell are you talking about? These are liberal politicians as a liberal myself. She's saying, these are the policies.

That shit we didn't have through years ago. So to me, all I'm saying is, I'm not saying you're right or you're wrong, all I'm saying is none of us know yet fully what's really gonna be the turnout, but I don't think it's that camp, but they're like, well, I just don't think he's gonna be Biden. I just don't think he's gonna be Biden.

I don't think we all know yet. So a few thoughts that came to mind when you're talking about this additional perspective. One is I shared the sense that January 6 was a nothing burger in terms of the way people would vote until the midterms that we just had. And then looking at the data for who came out and who didn't, there were a lot of college educated white voters specifically often independence, but even some sort of soft Republicans who wouldn't come out for candidates in Arizona

and Pennsylvania and places we needed to win that were, you know, January 6th and Trump, I think are kind of obviously very tied together. So that was what the data showed there. So I was, I feel like I was wrong on that. I was, we were making jokes about it. We're like, they're having these hearings. It's so stupid. There are people taking photos. I'm not we were making jokes about it. We're like, they're having these hearings. It's so stupid.

There are people taking photos. I'm not looking at it for, oh, it's so, you know, I can't believe and Trump and everything else. I'm just saying, they ran this game plan. I think it worked pretty well from the last time. I'm worried it would work for them again in the national. Met whether that's true or not. By the way, I agree with you.

No one can predict the future. And anybody who says they can is living in a fantasy, the data right now also, and the polling, the problem with the polling is in 2022, and we got caught on the wrong side of this. Unfortunately, I think everybody did. We thought it was gonna be a much better election for Republicans than it was.

Polling is obviously a little bit sketchy, but right now, all the polling pretty consistently shows Donald Trump losing in a head to head to Joe Biden, whereas it doesn't show that with Ron DeSantis. So I think there's something there. Again, it's not, you know, it doesn't prove the... So, let's play that card. Sure. Let's, let's, let's buy the polls. Okay. Which obviously polls historically have always been right. We have to try. So, but let's play that game with these polls. No problem. Um, if they're right and you're the Democrat,

why the hell are you getting in the way your enemy? Let him win. You mean, let me explain. If you think these polls are right, why have this Alvin guy go out there and, hey, you know, let's go do this and because he did this and let's go do that and because he did that and let's go.

No, no, no. Hey, Mr. Democratic strategist polls, you guys are so great at it. You think Biden's gonna beat him head on? No problem. Get out of his way. No, no, no, hey, Mr. Democratic strategist, Poles, you guys are so great at it. You think Biden's going to beat him head on? No problem. Get out of his way. So I think to your point, I think the strategy is they know that the charges help him in the

Republican primary and they hurt him in the general. So I think the the chess move here is the charges make it more likely that Trump is the opposition. You people saying that. And I think that's true. And by the way, I love to agree with everything that you were just saying. That was me. I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 for much of my life. Before all the Democrats went insane, I was a persuadable voter, right?

I look at the logic. I look at the date of buck was reading this is will when he was 14 and like, well enough, but where am I? I've been talking for the whole time. Radical modern. I was a radical moderate for much of my career, but the, you know, even on muskets shared this meme and I think it, you know, like, I don't know, you guys have it where it shows you like, if you'll pull it up for people who have not seen it, it kind of perfectly epitomizes my

political value evolution. Like I was very, I've always been kind of middle of the road rational, I'm persuadable, right? Like, hey, you make a rational logical argument. I'll buy into it. Democrats have gone fully insane, which is why you're going to love the book that I've got coming out in August, because it's all about, I'm super fired up. I would hammer home if I could this idea that you can have a fucking dude decide he's a girl. Sit out for a year and then he becomes a women's champion is that shit insane, right? I think there are lots of Democrats have become insane, where it shows like a stick figure standing all the like the political spectrum. And if you look at it, it's like, Hey, here was me in 2008. And you might just be a little bit left of center and then the Democrats have run

so far. You had it a minute ago. They've run so far left. That's it. That's it. That's it. And if you zoom in on this, there you go, 2008, there's me like, that's me. I'm a little bit left of center, maybe like whatever.

And then 2012 and then like now I'm a radical like Bucks. He's it. I'm a right wing extremist. I'm a conspiracy theorist. I'm a radical like Bucksees it. I'm a right-wing extremist. I'm a conspiracy theorist. I'm a crazy man and I haven't really changed the country's gone insane. And I also think that the... Well, who does that benefit though? So who does that benefit like for when you say that? You know, a lot of people agree with that. Dude, Musk would never come out and say, vote Republican. So how much

influence does Musk have? How much influence does Rogan have? So think about this. Let's actually process this together. 8175. Okay. 8175. Now we both know who Rogan and Musk would get behind. Yep. We both know who it is. And it's the Sanctus. It's not Trump. Okay. But I do think they would vote Trump over five. Yeah. If it does come down to that, they're, their number one is, yeah, San Tis over Trump. We can all agree on that. It's very obvious. You know, hey, I believe the last age for you to run for office 69 years old. We all remember all that. We could find we agree. By the way, Rupert Murdoch would be in that camp too, right? Like, uh, he's basically said

to San Tis. So it's worse man. So's a lot of different guys. Guys, guys that the money guys, there's a lot of guys that don't in that camp right now. said to Santa. So Schwartzman, so's a lot of different guys, guys, the money guys, there's a lot of guys that don't, and that can't break them. Okay, fine. So 81.75. So the day comes, the bait August Foxes over, say, mom, do we have to pick and choose who it is?

It's Trump, okay? So if it's Trump, we know if it's DeSantis, what's gonna happen? Schwartzman's gonna get behind. This guy's gonna be, Musk is gonna get, they're gonna campaign for the Rogan descentist podcast is gonna be massive, okay? Hopefully if the sentence have a marketing team kind of teach him how to connect with the audience

Because the one he do with Pierce was a flop, okay? And his book didn't do that well. I read the book I love the book, but I said how come other people are nothing the same way about the book right so So then Trump is the candidate Musking Rogan have a choice where they have to choose between Trump or Biden yep, we both know whether they want to or not. They're probably gonna go Trump yep not because of Trump, but they're gonna say we're doing the same vote that people did in 2020.

We're doing that strategy, which is what? Anything but Biden, okay? Perfect. How much influence you think the richest man in America and the number one podcaster in the world has? Not enough to switch the election. What do you think? I'm not as cute in the world.

Honestly, I mean, so you've got a there. Why do they come to mind and why are they so important right now? What are you? What do you mean? They could swing. Not, not very many. What do you think it is? I mean, in the, in the, in the total of the, the entire US election, I mean, not enough

to even win a single US. You mean 100,000? You think that's small. Oh, I think of the 156 million people who and, and by the way, 156 million people who have already voted, right? You think it's a hundred thousand swing with those two? So, because you have to convince people that they're wrong. Yeah. And the other part of this is that we're leaving out. We're leaving out. I referred it as the apparatus, specifically because of the Soviet connection, but the Democrat apparatus

in this country, we're talking about Elon, you're talking about, okay, what about Zuckerberg, what about Bezos, what about Soros, what about, I mean, go down the list, what about CBS news, what about, you know, Trump beat those guys. He, okay, now that was a very specific set of circumstances. I was actually a right-wing commentator at CNN when they still had those in 2015, 2016. So I saw the evolution there. They completely misplaced how to, they were running Trump live on CNN. They gave him billions of dollars of free media because they thought he was such a joke.

He was such a clown that had amused their audience, gave them great numbers and he was going to lose. So they've been wrong before strategically. They could be wrong again, but I'm just saying what they did in 2016, they didn't do in 2020 and they wouldn't do again, which is allow Trump to harness. People forget, they initially used fake news as really as an attack on Trump supporters. They were believing fake news about the Russia stuff on Facebook.

That was that percolated. Then Trump turned around and said, no, no, no, no, it's not about believing some internet post CNN is fake news. He was able to do this jujitsu against the entire media apparatus that it's just they learned the lesson unfortunately in 2020, which is why they did all the suppression and all the things they did.

So yeah, we've got our guys who are trying to help. I think Elon is doing more for democracy and free speech in America than almost any other person you can think of, but there's so much arrayed against. And when you look at the way they can even quantify this stuff, even the like CBS, you talk about like the senior, senior citizens watching cable news, CBS news still gets like five million

people watching a night and it is Democrat propaganda. You know, and they've had four years though. They've had four years. That's not a change though. Oh, I'm not saying it. I'm saying it for years. All I'm saying is to change of what an Ilano Nguorgan were three years ago versus what they are today. There's a lot of guys like that in the marketplace. There's not just those two. I mean, collectively, there's hundreds of guys like the comedy space in the sports world. In the, you know, you're, you're preaching my book because my argument is find things that 70% of people agree with and slam the Democrats on them all day. Dudes deciding to be girls and kick people's ass.

The fact that I've been arguing this, if I were Trump, I would go balls to the wall on defending comedians, right? The idea that you could be offended by a joke is total bullshit to me, right? The entire purpose of comedy is to push the bounds of acceptable discourse. The idea that a comedian gets, that Kevin Hart can't host the Oscars because he made a joke about a gay person or that Dave Chappelle can't say this because it's offensive to transgender, like whatever, the goal of comedy is to ridicule everyone evenly. And if Trump couldn't lean into that, if DeSantis couldn't lean into that, find

these things that 70% of people agree with and hammer them over and over and over again, then I think you can start to move things a little bit. To me, fair, I wasn't really, because you pointed out, you kept saying it's not different. Okay. But for example, the move even of the big, big donors to DeSantis, front instead of Trump, right? A lot of that is just because there's a, there's a little more hesitation, a little more, ooh, I don't know, because of January 6th for some of those people.

I'm just, I wish it were not true. I think it shouldn't be true, but that is true, right? I think most likely, by the way, we're going to get Trump versus Biden again. Like, if you told me right now, hey, you have to put money down on the debate. And this is what I would say to you guys. I'm curious what you guys think about this. What's the number one worst thing about Biden from an election 2024 perspective? Number one

weakness, age and I think you can see now, I think it's age overwhelmingly, right? So to so many people, cosmetically make decisions on who to vote for, 78 year old, that's all he would be Donald Trump on the stage against 82 year old Joe Biden. Number one reaction people are going to have is both these guys are too old. Trump, even though he's far more in control of his faculties and the fact that Biden can't even speak, the age thing gets canceled out if Trump is the dominant. I mean, I would just say I told a big Republican donor just a few nights ago, we had dinner and down in Miami and they asked me, what do you think? I said, I will not throw in for either side, either privately or publicly.

I won't, I'm not, I'm either DeSantis or Trump, whoever wins and I'm very open about that. But I said, if you're asking me for odds as to who's going to win the primary, I'd give you two to one odds, a Donald Trump wins the primary. I agree with him 100% on that. And then the second part of this is if you put DeSantis or Nikki Haley or somebody younger on the stage against Biden, I think those people win big because a lot of people out there just look at it and say, we can't have a president who's 82 years old. Like Joe Biden legitimately could Joe Biden do any job at your business?

Yeah. I think it's even more specifically than, you know, Joe Biden, that's the perception, the persuadables, right? Like, I'm voting for what I'm voting for because I've believed in the same basic principles since I was a teenager effectively and constitution and all this kind of stuff, right? But for the people that could go either way or could show up or not show up, the age thing with Joe Biden, I think, could be big because remember, they're not, they're not one issue voters on the economy or the border or anything else.

They're kind of thinking about a whole range of things and they look at this guy and he's, I mean, it's, it's kind of sad. I mean, he's decrepit, right? But what we've seen with Federman is that that will not stop them one bit. That will not stop him. It comes down to juxtaposition. If you've got a 78-year-old guy and 82-year-old guy,

it's like they've already been around the block a million times. There were known commodities. Everybody knows that. You get a young fresh Rhonda Santas on there, juxtaposition versus an old sleepy Joe. it's going to be alarming to most people. That's why I said try by combat. The benefit Republicans have is they know who is going to be a nominee. And that's how Biden got selected.

They knew Trump was going to be in the ring. And they said he's the less dangerous. By the way, I'll build on what Buck said. We've got such a big audience on radio. You asked the question about endorsements. We don't ever want to be in the position of, hey, you should vote for this guy or that guy in a primary. We're obviously going to be a billion percent

behind Trump, DeSantis, Nikki Haley, whoever the nominee is because Biden is such a disaster. Right. And so that's where we really kind of marginal audience. I spent a lot of time reminding, because in our audience on radio We have people who are calling in saying you guys are way too pro Trump and we people calling in who are saying Your way too pro to Santa's and they also some I'm never gonna listen again. You're too pro Trump or too pro to Santa's

Every day we get every day every day. We're getting we're getting this from both sides and I try to remind them if you're a Trump guy you're a Trump guy, you're a dissentist guy, you are someone who probably agrees on 90% plus of everything happening in America today. You're on the same team. You're just trying to figure out who the captain of the team is gonna be. That's gonna get a little lost in the primary. I know it's big boy stuff, I understand that,

but I hope that people keep that in mind as we go forward here, because, you know, what you don't want is to get in a situation where someone is so damaged and, you know, so hobbled from the primary that they actually kind of limp into the general. Right. Trump runs as a third party, which is every day. That's the worst, that's the worst possible scenario if somebody else. My, my ideas are a whole different thing.

Like I'm, I'm waiting for the census's camp to really, you know, sometimes you think you have a lot of time to create momentum, you don't. Their camp has a shot, they have a shot, but when's the last time you heard a story about that? But it's not a candidate yet. It doesn't matter, you still start marketing. There's many people that weren't candidates

that they were branding and marketing Way before so well the book wasn't attended that but I think you're pointing about that But he didn't do a good job promoting his book. I'm sorry that book was a lazy method of marketing go on So many that book should be in top 10 for six straight months if you would have gone as you gone on your podcast as you talk to you guys I'm radio but not in a while not When I talk about the work what what so let me get to straight you guys replace rush and he, as he talked to you guys. On radio, but not in a while. Not even a while. So let me get to straight. You guys replace Rush, and he hasn't come onto you. I understand you don't want to come here because I challenge all the time.

You guys support him, you replace Rush. He hasn't been on your podcast? How? He came on, he came on. By the way, and you've been questioned before you defend him. Since the launch of the book. I'm trying to remember. Since the launch of the book.

He came on the day the book released. There we go. And did he promote the book? Yeah, for 10 minutes. I mean, he was on for a 10 minute hit. That's not really, but that's not really. No, I mean, you're pretty inquired. Yeah.

I think he is so marked. I think he is a strong leader. I think he has an incredible resume. I don't know why they're not telling the story. It's almost as if he's not going to run. If you're not going to run, then I support it on what you're doing. Maybe you're not going to be running, and that's your strategy, and none of us know shit. Fine. But if you are going to run, what's he going to do if he gets on your podcast for an hour? All he's

going to get is nice questions, and he's going to be able to defend himself. And the audience is going to see a different side of him. How many people like that could he have gone on? You making Kelly so many different places he could have gone on. No, why don't you? Well, because he hasn't announced it yet, but you launched a damn book. I used a marketing tool.

I think the Trump people have landed so many blows that it's a one way war and a one way war only goes in one direction. So far, that's the way it's I think when you have the resume that he has, all you have to say is the answer he keeps giving. Listen, guys, everybody wants it to be me against Trump. I'm not going to fall for that. All I'm going to tell you is our resume. I won by 34,000 most the first time. Yeah, because Trump helped us out. Yes, that is true. He said in his book multiple times. Second time one and a half million.

That wasn't without the help. Here's who we were able to convert. While the states were doing this, we went against the grain. They said this, we did this. Here's what happened in Florida. Look how many people are coming to us from New York. We're recruiting cops.

He just have to say that. Like, there was one time I saw a video that we're making fun of a, a, the rock to promote a movie. And he was on 20 different interviews and the rock to promote a movie. And he was on 20 different interviews and he used the same exact line. And I'll go, look at him. He's just, that's what he's supposed to do. You're supposed to go say that to different audiences, even if people catch you or not, that's part of your job. You're going to have

to have us back in the summer when he's a candidate so we can actually see how the campaign is going to be here stories before we wrap up. People to keep it pay attention to one date. The Florida legislative session ends May 5th. Yeah. Yeah. So by May 5th, right after that, we should be looking by one. Do we choose the Republican candidate? When is the date?

March. When is the primary? Sorry, super. Yeah, that we'll have really like 10 months from now. We'll know in probably the nominee. Okay, so May, that's a month from now. So you know, this is say, second, third week of May. So he's got nine months after you launched your book

that you haven't promoted yet. What are you gonna go back and re-promote a book that you launched three months ago? I'm a marketer, guys. I'm not a politician. I'm a marketer from the marketing standpoint. That's not a good marketing strategy. You know, I think he's gonna hit the blitzkrieg this summer.

You don't think he's gonna decide that when he's actually running as a candidate, all of a sudden, you're probably not gonna get him out of your green room. I hope I'm wrong. I hope so because I think he's got a great resume. And I'm just, to me, you know, you know, when the coach gets upset at Steph Curry one game, I'll never forget. It's like, can I ask you why you're not shooting throughs?

You shot two threes today. What's the matter with you? What's the matter with you? Shoot the damn threes. You're our best guy. Go. Play ball, bro. Let's go.

Like the good stuff shit, you're right. And in all the teammates are like, dude, I don't give you go over 10. Yeah. You're the best three point shooter. Go. Let's roll. That's the part where it's like,

this is a phenomenal candidate. You have an incredible resume coming from the biggest shit show for two and a half years and you came up above everybody. There's not a governor that's above him in America during COVID with all the manipulation. Everybody targeting his ass. He stood out. The more you wait, the more those stories are gone. What are we doing? Like who the hell is going out there speaking for you? Who's going out there selling this stuff for you? My frustration is a complete different frustration. Can I tell you what?

Nothing to do with policies. One quick thing I know you wanna get the Elon thing. I just would say there are a lot of people that I think would speak out about that stuff on the right and they are afraid of Trump. They're afraid of the dirt. But then you should fire yourself. You just, no, but I'm saying you're asking why

is it more common? Then those people, if there are people like that, you should resign. Cause if you're doing this type of stuff, you know, I never forget this. There was a book I read, Business Book. And I wish I wanna give this guy credit, I don't know who wrote it when I found that,

I'm gonna give the credit. When you're coming up, you always have these two or three names that you think you need because without them, you're never going to be as big as you're not. You know, you're doing a show. Oh my God. If we land that interview, oh my God. If we raise money from that guy, oh my God. I was, oh, cement. You think you need that one interview, that one gets that one ever to validate you? If you're good enough and you're fair with your audience and you're straight up And there's a part of it that respects the audience But there's a part of it that's not gonna cave into your audience Trashing you because you don't say what they want you to say. I'm not doing that, bro

This is what I believe you don't like you go talk to somebody else that you think you're gonna agree with a hundred percent of time That's not my ass to the people that are afraid of that, they should quit today. Because they don't belong in a journalistic world. Talk shit to both sides. Give your opinions, support. Give your values and principles. And then from there on, see what happens. Defend your values and principles.

I'm very open about the values and principles I defend. You guys got the top show radio. He, I'm sorry, guys. I'm from a preaching to the choir. I would call into our show unscheduled all the time to talk for five to seven minutes. You know who did that? The Skyrim Donald. He did that all the time.

Skyrim Donald. Best story I've got for Trump really quickly. First time I had him on the radio show, he's present in the United States. He called the show himself. You guys know the PR apparatus that exists for like low level non-innobenties? He would call the show himself and come on. You call that a hustler, that's what you call that.

And you know what, I respect the hustle. He's a marketer. Yeah, and by the way, you're going against a marketer. Yep. You're going against a marketer. You ain't going to get you beat him. You could beat the other guy. It's it's almost like, you know, sometimes there's an NBA championship and you're like, this ain't a freaking championship. Nobody watches it because the championship was the Eastern Conference Finals.

The hell are we doing here? You beat the Eastern Conference Final. You could win it all and get a chip today. There's a lot to change between now and five years from now, four years from now. So I don't know. My level of frustration is that you think you have more time than you actually have. Where is the sense of urgency? Where is that? Where's the sense of urgency with that?

The comparison though to understanding that no one has understood the media and been the same kind of force that Donald Trump has been. That's your point here. So that, no. So you know what that means though? Here's what that means. You know what I do?

This is what I do from the centresist camp. Hey, Schwartzman, you really support us? Yes. Who's the best marketer you know know we want to meet with them. Hey XYZ Musk you support us. Yes. Who's the best marketer we can hire for the next two years? Are you willing to help us find that guy and you don't think Musk knows that what David Sacks knows that guy or Rogan has these calls Bro, let's use our contact to put a super-ass team together to play ball. And I guarantee you, if you hired a super team to work with you, if some people may say,

well, maybe he's done that. Nobody knows about it. Really? You think the super team would have allowed the book to do what it did? I don't think so. I think it would have been a complete different story. Again, to me, he's president, Trump's president, we're fine because we need somebody that's strong to fight against all the bullshit that's going on in the world today.

This is not a picking favorite. This is about the more both sides are fighting their arguments in a better way. We have a better chance of having somebody when I just don't see them playing off and since it's disappointing. But again, I may be wrong. I'm not a political strategist. I'm a pure marketer and a strategist from the sense of business point.

Not for me. And I'm competing with different people in the insurance space after figure out a way. What that guy strength is, what my weaknesses, what his weaknesses, what my strength is. These are not complicated conversations to be having. So I just don't know who they're hiring behind closed doors. Hey, Musk, you really want me to win?

I need your help. You don't think Musk would help them. Do you think they've had that meeting before? I hope they have. Do you think they're having, he's coming to Miami, Musk ended a month. I hope he's meeting with the Santas. Have they had these meetings?

Has he sat down with Rogan? Has he having these conversations? When Schwartzman, maybe they are, maybe they're not. But they have access to these people to hire. So if you really want me, show up. Show up, give me some of those guys. You asked the question, 2024, what's gonna matter the most? I think the most normal candidate will win.

I think the thing that the country wants is normalcy. Well, we wanted that in 2020. Well, Biden sold that he would bring this to say he's failed. This is, and the problem we face against Biden, I tell the audience, is every time we're discussing what we're facing in 2024, is that the Joe Biden that you are going to be running against in the general election is not the Joe Biden who has been governing, meaning he's going to be the guy. He's like, I love police, police are great. You know, I love cops. Yeah, we're going to make you safe.

He's going to do all the stuff that you're seeing from the actual Democrat party in terms of governance, legislation they want. That will be largely pushed aside. And Joe Biden, the cuddly old grandpa that everyone knows is, you know, just down the middle and a straight shooter, that's who you're running against. It's a, it's a, what are the most important states to win for Biden and Trump before the San Arizona was on a constant Michigan, Pennsylvania for Georgia. Okay. So take those four, let's just say four or five, right? Has DeSantis done a book tour in those places? Even pre-announcing?

He was just up in Michigan, I know that. I mean, to your point, I would go ahead and say, pick a VP candidate and take one of those states off the board. Like to me, if I were DeSantis, I, in part of my launch, I'd be like, I'm taking the right and Ken. And I'm gonna tell you this right now, when you see when it's announced,

Trump is gonna pick somebody that Trump likes and not somebody that necessarily is gonna help deliver the election from in 2024, because that's just how he thinks. That's to one last story, because I know you guys got a, we got a hard stop here. So Riley Gaines, Rips Nike for Partnership

with Transinfluencer Dillon Mulvaney, they can't forget taking my money. Former University Kentucky swimmer, Riley Gaines, Rips Nike for partnership with Transinfluencer Dillon Mulvaney. They can't forget taking my money. Former University Kentucky swimmer, Riley Gaines criticized Nike's decision to make transgender influencer Dillon Mulvaney, spokesperson stating that the mockery Mulvaney deals, deal makes of women is incredibly degrading. And that Nike can forget taking my money.

Gaines recently experienced physical assault after speech. She gave at San Francisco State University about saving women's sports at a turning point USA and leadership institute event on campus. She accused Fox feminists of being scared to act after the incident and campus police of being terrified to do their job as they did not want to be accused of being racist for protecting gains who is white. What are your thoughts about the story in Nike? Not surprising at all that there's been such a backlash to it.

When you think about how crazy this is, they're having a man with no breasts try to self sports bras. But more than that, which you would just think the basic physics and physicality would matter more, the bigger point I think you're seeing is what I've been saying on the show for a long time. People understand transgender, so just defund the police isn't really about defunding the police.

Defund police is actually a step if you listen to the true hardcore left in abolition of police. So that's the actual position. Defund is always a step on the way. They want to get rid of all police departments and actually all prisons. So it's crazy, but that's the actual position. Defund is always a step on the way. They want to get rid of all police departments and actually all prisons. So it's crazy, but that's the belief. The real belief of transgenderism is not that these are people who are deserving of dignity and to be treated.

That's a given, right? Any moral person is going to treat a person with dignity and kindness and have the full protection of the law. And their position isn't just to be polite to them. It is, this is a woman indistinguishable in all facets in every way from other women. They are demanding that you obey and believe a lie, an obvious and objective lie, and anything short of your belief in that lie will always be unacceptable. This is why they have the women can, men can get pregnant too,

and men can menstruate, and all these things. They're not just saying this because they're trying to create language that's confusing, they're saying it because a man with a penis through transgender ideology, and it is purely, it is not about people who are intersected, it is purely about a psychological state can become fully female.

And I've even said this to Clay, they've started to say, if you are a heterosexual male and you're not attracted to transgender people, transgender woman, for example, you are transphobic. That has started to happen because that is actually I'm sorry I've been so emotional today. I just got my period of things. I think God, I just got a tampon tampax that sponsorship for that. I look at this and this is where I came from the world of sports. And this to me is something that sports is the ultimate meritocracy. It's the best man or woman or woman. And so you guys know, I mean, you were at the UFC event, right?

We have weight classes in UFC. If you play high school sports, the biggest high schools don't compete against the smallest high schools. I coach 12 year old, you know, youth basketball and baseball. If I suddenly showed up with a 16 year old to play, everybody would say, this is ridiculous. This is a 70, 30, 80, 20 issue. And I think this is an example of something where I said the goal is normal see the same normal. Okay. And they're trying to make it seem normal. And this, I'm sure you guys have seen it. You know, from a marketing perspective, if Nike was make it, see, this is where Kaepernick ties into me with this story. Colin Kaepernick was the first person

in sports that Nike hired and tried to give an endorsement deal to that was not elite in his sport. Now they have moved into, we're just going to grab random fake chicks and make them try to sell gear. If Nike came out and they said, Hey, play and buck, you guys have the biggest radio show in the country. We want to advertise with you simultaneously. We want to advertise to the simultaneously. We want to advertise

to the trans community like we're trying to appeal to 100% of the population. I would nod my head and say, okay, they would never buy an advertisement on the clay and buck show, right? Now we're two, we're two talks. The guy who pretends he's a woman and has a sports bra for no reason is brand perfect for. Yes. and has a sports bra for no reason is brand perfect for us. And so I think it's, it's indicative of how crazy that, that analogy again, that little graphic of where we've gone in 2008. If you had said if Barack Obama had run for president and said, I think chicks with dicks should be able to compete against women. People would have said it's crazy. People

forgot Barack Obama wasn't a post-a-game origin. Right would have said it's crazy. People forgot Barack Obama wasn't opposed to gay marriage in 08, right? He ran on, we've never, everywhere you can find the enemy. He ran on, we should never change the marital standard. It's crazy. That's just 15 years ago. 2008. You want to blow people's mind. 2008 Obama would be a Republican campaign now. On many issues two thousand eight two thousand eight Obama. Unlike a few issues. Would be a Republican. Because the left is gone so far left.

Okay, he was. And we do the musk thing before we wrap up. Let's do the musk liberal quick before we wrap up. Play the two minute one, not the four minute one. There's two of them. Yeah, that one right there. Perfect. So this is Elonk sitting down with bbc reporter i think is the ms james clayton

and it starts with the bbc guy interview in elan it flips very quickly they're doing twitter spaces at the same time smart on the law musk side so they can't cut and i play all the clips here's uh... here's musk and clayton content you don't like or or what do you do to describe a hitful thing yeah i mean you know this content that will solicit a reaction something that may include something that is slightly racist or slightly sexist those kinds of those kinds of things so you think something is

slightly sexist it should be banned i'm not saying anything i'm curious. I'm trying to say what you mean by hateful content. I'm asking for specific examples and you just said that if something is slightly sexist that's hateful content. Does that mean that it should be banned? Well you've asked me whether my feed, whether it's got less or more, I'd say it's got slightly more. Let's find out asking for examples. Can you name one example? I honestly don't need you.

Honestly, I don't like that. You can't name a single example. I'll tell you why, because I don't actually use that for you feed anymore, because I just don't particularly like it. But you said you, a lot of people are quite similar. I only look at my phone. We've said you've seen more hitful content

but you can't name a single example, not even one. I'm not sure I've used that fee for the last three or four weeks. But then how did you see the hateful content? Because I've been using Twisted Sincere Shaking over for the last six months. Okay, so then you must have at some point seen that you've for you hateful content. I'm asking for one example. Right. You can't give a single one.

And I'm saying, I- Then I say so that you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, that's a weak deal. You can't give a single example of hateful content, not even one tweet. And yet you claimed that the hateful content was high. Well, that's a false. No, what I can't slide. What, no, what I can slide.

There are many organizations that say that that kind of information is on the rise. Now, whether it has a mind-free example, I mean, right, and you can't even want... Like the strategic dialogue in the UK, they will say that. So, look, if people will say all sorts of nonsense, I'm literally asking for a single example and you can't name one. Right.

And as I've already said, I don't use that feed, but let's... But how would you know that you... I don't think this is getting any better. You literally said you experienced more hateful content and then couldn't name a single example. Right, and as I said, I have- That's absurd.

I haven't actually looked at that feed. Then how would you know this hateful content? Because I'm saying that's what I saw for a few weeks ago. I can't do an exact example. Let's move on. We're not going to have a set. Let's move on. Let's move on.

So you get knocked out and you're like, let's go ahead and let's see here. The end is not the end. On the canvas, no, that's the dissection of a media talking point in real time. That's pretty amazing. My reaction is, one, you can't hit it at this before. I don't know why any person would agree

to anything that is not going to be aired in its entirety, who is in a prominent position. In other words, if you want to interview me, that's fine. The whole thing has to air. And then people can listen to the whole thing in context. The fact that, you know, a Trump would still sit and allow anybody to interview him. Like, you're a super busy guy. And I would say the same thing to the standards to anybody else.

You want me for an hour? Boom. We're talking for the entire hour and it all goes public. And I'm bringing my own crew to record it. Because if you try to cut and paste what I said, I won't allow that. And I think this is what you get. I think that's what people crave,

that authenticity because so much of what we are marinated in on a day toto-day basis is total bullshit. And people cut through it and they recognize it. The left is much better at molding words for political purposes than we are. They're constantly changing and policing language to that end. When they say hateful, what they want is for people to think that they're talking about hate speech. And what they really mean by hateful is

anything that i don't like anything that bothers me anything that challenges my assumptions i'm gonna label that hateful and then have in the minds of a lot of people some association with all must be like really ugly racist sexist you know that's that's hateful no i mean saying like maybe we should actually enforce immigration law at the

u.s. mexico border like that they would consider to be utterly hateful. I mean, there are things that they would put in that bucket that I think no normal person would ever consider to be hateful, but that's the whole point they want to be able to control. I think there was one word that that that that journalists used that completely ruined his argument as when he started using the word, well, slightly misogynistic, slightly trans, what he's like, so now slightly is hateful. And then Elon Musk just pounced on that. It was over for me.

I also think the number of people who say, some would say, people say it, people say, some people are saying. That's the people are saying. Many people probably the best. I know that one, that one. That's when the person hasn't done their homework because he could have easily said,

he could have cited two or three different organizations and then Musk would have had to attack the organizations, but when he doesn't have any basis whatsoever and he's just kind of relying on that ephemeral, some people say, that you would say, it's evident that he hasn't done his homework. And you guys will know this.

There's a lot of really lazy and dumb journalists and they get credit for being way smarter than they actually are because most people won't go after him. Most are activists, not journalists, is the answer? Well, listen guys, this was phenomenal. It was fantastic. I appreciate you guys for coming out. Can I wait to do this again as things get heated?

Maybe the next time we do this is when our guy from Florida announces that is running. We'll be here. We'll both be flying. Things get here. Maybe we'll come out and do a live event at our cigar lounge and our club right next door. And we'll have a live audience of two or three hundred people and we'll do that with them and make it a different show. But we're gonna appreciate it. Guys, guys are coming. I was really, really appreciate it. Thank you. Rob, if we can put the link below to any book that he would, the book he was talking about

if there is a link to it. It's not up yet. It's going to be out at August 8th. I'm not even supposed to talk about it yet because we have an officially, I think April 17th, the link will go up. But what you're pitching as a marketer, you're going to see this and you're going to be like, I guarantee you're going to love it. But put up the Klanbuck podcast.

Yes, please. That's a good thing. But put up the Klanbuck podcast, please. That link, that's up now. That will have that, we'll have that at both places. Go down there, subscribe, listen to these folks. Not that they need more listeners, but you gotta hear what these guys have to say. Take care everybody, bye bye bye bye bye.