PBD Podcast - Clay Travis & Buck Sexton On SHOCKING Stats About New York | Ep. 258 | Part 1

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

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Strike, and so I went on a putting strike. So folks, I don't know if you heard that or not, there's a major putting strike going on that we're going to talk about. But today's guests, they're kind of a big deal. Both of them, you know, I had a chance to communicate buck and I were going back and forth. And then we had a chance to be on the show. And then, you know, you guys have, you've been around the block for a while. Your name is everywhere. Everyone knows the buck sexting, you know, clay Travis, clay Travis on the buck sexting

show, whether it's sports, whether it's politics, whether it's boobs, whether it's LaBron. There's a lot of different things going on. I'm an expert. I like to think. And Buck, you being a CIA agent, this is probably what you spoke of record. First time in a week, we've had two CIA former CIA officers. We had Mike Baker. Mike Baker.

My man, I saw Mike, I did Godfeld show them last week. Did you? Mike and I go way back. Yes. Like is a interesting fun guy when it comes here. But today's about you guys. Appreciate you guys for coming out. Thank you for having us.

So Clay, you know, for some of the folks, obviously we got stories to get into. You saw what Musk did with BBC, destroyed him in when he started interviewing the other guy. We got stats that came out from New York City. A poll talking about 27% of people living in New York want to leave New York. I want to get your feedback because you lived in New York before. We got some other things going on with the Skyrim. I don't know if you guys are following this one guy named Joe Biden. He's always saying stuff that we have to cover.

France is kinda talking about the fact that the Europe, Europe's gotta stop relying so much on America. Is that a good thing? Is that a bad thing? Maybe we're financing everything they're doing. We can talk about that as well. California is on the edge after tech layoffs and studio cutbacks. NPR quits twitter. Lots of people were hard-pork and last night went that announcement was made. Pop of itch once gun control crews hits back NBA, NBA blames

economy. By the way, when I first read this article, what did I ask you up? I said, what NBA is this? And you said, it is the National Basketball Association. So I didn't believe it. NBA blames economy for hiring freeze and budget cuts. Janice kind of opened up recently about what's going on with him, what went on with him. Aaron Rogers appears to have endorsed RFK. Interesting to see that take in place. And then we got Riley Gaines, Rips Nike for the partnership

with Dylan Mulvaney. And then claps back at accusations. She's spread violence at SFSU event. And Joe Rogan has some bottle ideas that are on the podcast. I don't know if you guys can call it. I didn't even see that. He had some bottle ideas that are on the list.

Listen, products are great product. I want to have it. It was so interesting the way he did it. But that's Joe. He got a love Joe for that. So, prior to getting into it, I know your story. I've known your story for years. But for the audience,

if you don't mind taking a moment and sharing your background, that would be great. We can start up with you first. So I'm Buck, and I was born and raised in New York City. I'm now a Floridian, though, a Miami, and part of the refugee wave from New York City to Florida as a result of COVID. But taking it back a little bit for anyone in your audience who knows New York City, I went to Regis, which if you're from

New York, you might know. It's the only free private school in the country that I went to, so everyone's on a full scholarship. Then I went to Amherst College, came right out of Amherst, went right into the CIA because 9-11, New Yorker, American, did CIA from 2005, 2010, deployed to Iraq twice, deployed to Afghanistan, went to some places in Sub-Saharan Africa that I still don't really talk about, and learned some interesting stuff from that, did a year at the NYPD Intelligence Division, and then Glenn Beck found me out of nowhere. I was, so I was the CIA guy who had been in Iraq, Afghanistan, was working effectively

in like as a consultant for the NYPD Intelligence Division, because it's my hometown. And Glenn's person emailed me out of the blue and was like, I heard about you, we should have a meeting. I swear to God. And it was actually almost weirder than the original CIA recruitment stuff where I was showing off like a band in office buildings. It was like, no one there, but there is somebody there, you know, all the way to the back. Yeah, there's like one guy sitting on a folding chair

that you talked to. Anyway, I so Glenn brought me in the business at the Blaze 12, got 12 years ago now. And yeah, and then from there I started doing radio, I started filling in for Glenn and then Sean Hannity, then Rush Limbaugh, and did some other things along the way. CNN Fox, all that good stuff. And then they paired me up with Clay

to take over as the official premier radio networks replacement, pardon me, filling the slot left vacant by the greatest of all time, right? But I'm here. I mean, to follow that guy, I mean, they're not gonna just put somebody in that position that doesn't know what they're doing. I remember when that announcement was made,

and everybody said, damn, that's a pretty big they're doing. I remember when that announcement was made and everybody said, damn, that's a pretty big deal. So, you know, obviously people that follow the space know how big of a deal that is clay. How about yourself? Yeah, to speak on what Buck said, I mean, I came out of the world of sports and you usually don't want to be the guy who follows Bill Bella checker Nick Saban. Because usually the standard is so high. And I think that's why Julie Talbot, who's our boss at Premiere,

put the two of us in as opposed to one person. So I think it automatically shifted the dynamic as opposed to this guy is trying to fill the shoes. As we've said, and Buck said, I think pretty well, we can each fill one shoe. And it's a different show. And I think that was super smart by her. But I, look, I was an attorney.

I grew up in Nashville, went to George Washington in DC, went to Vanderbilt Law School, graduated, moved to the Caribbean. And I practiced law down there for a couple of years at the biggest law firm in the Caribbean, 13 attorneys, by the way, in the US Virgin Islands. And while I was there, I had what I would call a quarter life crisis, where you look around and I know there's probably a lot of lawyers out there. Some people say, oh, you get your law degree, it's amazing. But every lawyer I've ever known that I really like has always got a plan to get out of

having to practice the law. Really? Yeah, at least in my experience. Why is that? Why is that? I think because when you're in law school and when you're working up towards that, what I always say is law school, you get to debate big, important issues.

You get to study the most seminal cases that have ever existed in the legal process. And then your first year, you're 25 or 26 years old and you sit in front of a computer and you do doc review. And so it is not this few good men a time to kill caliber experience. And I think a lot of young lawyers sort of have that gilded, this is gonna be amazing.

And you make a decent living, but it's an awful job, especially as a young lawyer, in my experience. And even, I always say, and this is my advice to anybody out there who's young and think about it, if you don't want your boss's boss's job, you should find something new to do. Don't just look directly above you. Look at the person who's your boss's boss. If you see what they do and you're like, ah, this doesn't really have that much appeal to me, there's nothing wrong with doing a job

you don't love. Everybody has to do it. But if you aspire to truly love what you do, then if you don't want to do what your boss's boss does That's the next 10-15 years. So you don't want to run a law firm. I didn't run a law firm. I didn't want to run a law firm and And so I practiced law for a few years started writing online. I Worked and I was in the world of sports. So the probably the reason why I ended up writing online Is speaking to being a young warrior and everybody I knew graduated with was a young warrior. You're hoping to find 10 or 15 minutes of entertainment on the internet during your day.

You're not happy. You want to go click and go read this article or whatever. So I started writing, hopefully, funny, amusing, humorous articles online about South Eastern Conference football. I was a monster still at college football fan, football fan in general. And that led to I did that for years eventually is making $100 a week at CBS

Sports Line. If you remember that website back in the day. CBS Sports Line. Yeah. Did you what what year was that when you were there? I started writing there no five. Did you work with Peter Madden? I know that name. Yeah. Very interesting. Yeah.

But so they were based here. Yeah. They're right here, down the street. Yeah, down the street. They paid me $100 a week to write you off. No, no, no. $100 a week. So after years, I had made $5,000 at that point, a week, sorry, a year.

And I was still practicing lawful time. That eventually led to, they got me up to, I think, to 35 or 40K. And I thought I was, I was like, this is amazing. Then I went to Dead Spin. If you guys remember deadspin back in its hey days This is kind of early web, you know, I would say almost 1.0 I had good timing, you know the blogosphere Which just kind of taken off and then I was at fanhouse. I got fired They shut down the entire if you guys remember the fan house business model. They shut down

Everything everybody got fired whole place. And I started a website called the Outkick in 2011. And I sold that to Fox two years ago. And so slowly I moved from, hey, let's rank the top five quarterbacks. I did National Sports Talk Radio. I did local sports talk radio. And then when COVID happened, March, April, May, June, our audience skyrocketed

And it was not sports and so our boss Julie Talbot when rush past came and said hey the data reflects people just want to hear your opinion Not just about sports. How was that? How was that a into to To hear that people want to hear your opinion on politics not just sports was that a easy transition for you? Well, it was I loved the show that I did. Yeah. And it was early morning Fox Sports Radio. I was on 6 to 9 a.m. Eastern. And I, I think this is where having the kids, you start a pivot and think not only about yourself, but about the larger world. And I love talking about who's going to win the Super Bowl or who's going to win the NBA play, but it doesn't matter. Right. It's all 100% entertainment. And so whether schools are open during COVID or frankly, whether kids can go play high school

sports because you guys probably know, and I know Buck does too, I got lots of people I know who wouldn't have had success in life if they hadn't gotten to play on the right high school team or have the right coach, especially boys. And so I was just so fired up about finding ways to play. And sports had become more and more, unfortunately, intertwined with politics. I would say really kind of taken off with the Colin Kaepernick protest and that whole world that it was like in many ways you were talking about politics when you tried to talk about sports. And so, uh, I remember Julie saying, this is true. We're very fortunate

and we have basically the biggest radio show in the country. She said, look, you could have the best and biggest sports talk show that exists in the country. And I think you're on track to be able to do that. It would still be a pinprick of the influence that the audience that you're gonna be able to talk to in Russia's time slot would be able to influence. The first time I filled in for Russia was I think,

so I was a guest host for him for years, just a Clay's point. I think it was 2014 or 2015, so it was a ways back. I made this sort of proclamation. I'm like, I'm gonna respond. Anyone who wants to email me, I'm gonna respond. I was used to doing, I started doing digital radio before I was on terrestrial radio on the weekend.

I had a stream on the blaze. I was super early in the podcast, stream space, relatively speaking, and then transitioned to Terrestrial, which is kind of not the way people usually do it. But I was used to, I told Clay this, because I also, I was a writer for theblaze.com, and I was doing blaze TV and blaze radio.

So I was doing all three of these at the time. This is when I got my start. And I could actually see, did you have a chart beat or one of those things? Oh, where you could actually see. Yeah. I could see doing my show, like there'd be nine people listening.

This is when I first started. And then I'd talk with something and like a couple of drop off and I'm like, oh man, I just love 30% of my audience or like 20% of my audience or whatever. So it would like kind of freak me out a little bit. But you know, I always found that it was interesting to see that radio seemed to bring in the people who just had the most content all the time.

Like that was my impression coming in. Like people had the most to share, because TV, you have people who are amazing and people who are relying on life and the issue. What stops you more? Which audio stops you more? You know how, the other day, I'm at a church, and this guy comes up and he says,

you're the TikTok guy, I'm like, dude, I'm not a TikTok guy. That's awesome, man. I'm not a TikTok. I would say this, when I'm, you have, you have, see, he's like, you're the jeweler. That's right. You're a jeweler, you're like, yeah. Oh, one wife video.

Just the thing I forgot to say was, I said I would respond, I spent like six hours responding emails from doing Russia show once. I've never seen anything like it before my life in terms of the platform and the connection. What was the number 20 to 30 million I would hear? Right? What was the reach on a monthly basis? 20 to 30 million. Yeah. What we've seen too since then, and yeah, the reach is still amazing. I think we have 500 affiliate stations nationwide, roughly, but also now we've layered on top of that, the podcast, which is a buck and I are the buck likes to make fun of it. He's three years younger than

me, which total old man. Look at all the grain. I'm the last year of Gen X and he's one of the first years of the millennials. So that's why I'm so much more likable. But you know, then you layer on top of it tens of millions of downloads and what we found I'm sure you have seen it too. It's funny you say oh you're the TikTok guy There was this initial fear in radio that you would cannibalize your audience and what the data actually reflects is People come now from so many different directions. So you're asking a really interesting question What like what do people recognize? I did four years of sports gambling daily on FS1

So like when I came in when I'm flying to Fort Lauderdale yesterday, or thought I was before the flood, I, I, 22 inches of rain by the way, but go ahead. I get unbelievable. I go through and the guy checking my ID is like, man, who you got tonight in the NBA playoffs, right? And then so I, you know, given picks and I went one and one, so whatever.

But I felt bad. He was like, if you go in two, I'm going to blow you up on Twitter, I was like, I know, buddy. Trust me. And then get to the airplane and people are like, man, can you believe what McCrone said about, you know, I'm sitting waiting to get on the flight. Somebody wants to talk about McCrone. So it's kind of, I people come from different directions with their own perspectives.

And that was always kind of my goal. I wanted them to want to talk about Game of Thrones or what's going on in politics or whatever would be on the front page of the newspaper, top of mind. So you asked a really interesting question because it's something that I learned from years of seeing it play out, not just with me, but with other hosts who are friends. The people who know you from TV tend to recognize you. The people who know you from radio know you. They will hug you.

They will come up to you and they'll talk about your dog or they'll come up and they just because they spend so much time. Now, granted, I haven't hosted a show on Fox, so it's different from people just from, but I mean, if they see you on TV doing appearances, they'll look, oh, I like your content. If they're spending two, maybe three hours a day with you, five days a week, I mean, I spent more time talking to Clay than anybody's family with a possible exception of his wife, right?

Imagine the audience. I definitely talk more to you than you. 15 hours, I mean, I talk 15 hours to your wife. I mean, no, this is kind of, now that I think of who recognize you from TV, do you spend a lot of time at senior homes? Is that kind of what you're doing? Is that what's going on?

I mean, that's a good shot, and I'll tell you this. I've got, I mentioned I had three boys. I took a picture of your one million YouTube thing in the lobby because all my boys watch is YouTube. Yeah. They watch sports live, sports with me. And then everything else they do YouTube. So when I showed them that one million, I got to meet Mr. Beast a couple of years ago.

He's like a hundred and six. Small YouTube channel, no big deal. But my kids, I mean, I would imagine it was like getting to meet Elvis in 1960, you know, to them. I think Pat brings, I think it was kind of joking with you about, hey, your audience at a senior community, but the landscape has changed, right? TV, cable news, older audience, radio, my first job out of college was in radio. This is 2002, 2003, Clear Channel.

Yep. It was the King of the Hill, right? Their Rob worked in radio for, I don't know, forever. I think he even had a radio show at one point. Heard you know? He already, yeah, he would in those guys, like 15, forever. I think even had a radio show at one point. Did you know? AERL-A. Yeah, you hew it in those guys, like 15, 15, or whatever. But now the landscape is YouTube podcasts.

And things have changed, right? Oh, yeah. What have you seen the biggest difference, man? So the demos are obviously different from podcast, YouTube. I mean, I would say TikTok, which is kind of replace Snapchat in this hierarchy or in this separation. That would be young. Right. That's like the youngest demo for content. And then right above that, probably

you have YouTube. And then above that, you have podcasting. And then above that, you have cable news in terms of age stratification. And then, at the very top of it, I would say terrestrial radio tends to be an older, more established. Newspaper was above that. I still get a journal. So the only two people I know on the planet who get the old school paper, Wall Street Journal,

are my dad and Clay. I know I like you, buddy. Old school. He's got the ninja moves with the actual physical paper. But no, we approach it. I mean, one thing that I was told, because so Glenn started the blaze when he left Fox and he had that. Remember that when he used to do the four E's and the Fox, he's to crush it by the way that you show was people wouldn't

miss it at night. So I was at the intelligence division, the NYPD. And I just remember all, we had all these screens up that some of it is like trying to stop terrorism, but also then there were TVs. Then there were TVs of, you know, the news. And it would all turn to stop terrorism, but also then there were TVs. Then there were TVs of the news, and it would all turn to Glenn at five o'clock every day. But one thing that he recognized very early on, I actually don't think he gets enough credit for this in the conservative space, is he was like, we just need to be present

with good content everywhere. So he was in a podcasting streaming. I remember Roku, I didn't know what a Roku was. I went to work at the blaze and they had Roku for TV. So, you know, in the early days of that, you could see that there were going to be a lot more ways through the consume content. But the good news is that it also means the audience is a lot bigger, but then again, everybody has a pot. Like people come out to me now, they're like, hey, I want to start a podcast. I'm like, have you, have you ever done a podcast? I mean, that's great. Like, go for it. But, you know, it feels like these days,

a lot of people are, everyone wants to be an influencer. That's the term, an influencer. Well, I'll, I'll build on, you mentioned somebody came out and said, you're a TikTok guy. So you guys, I don't know if you've seen this clip. If you haven't, you should, should watch it.

Like four years ago, I went on CNN and said, not only believed in two things completely, the first amendment in boobs, right? Live on the air, they banned me. I'm not allowed on CNN now. Cause you said in two things completely. The first amendment and boobs, right? Live on the air. They banned me. I'm not allowed on CNN now because you said boobs because I said boobs straight up. It was my friend who banned him by the way, but I didn't know him at the time. So other one would have stepped in.

You said the word. The content was all over it. This was all over it. It was the number one trending topic in America. She wanted me to apologize. I didn't do it. The reason why I bring it up is that was like four or five years ago. My oldest son, last year. They've got it up. They've got it up.

They've got it on the screen. Yeah, there we go. That's it. Oh, man. I would play that. Absolutely. I believe in only two things completely. The first amendment and boobs. And so once they made the decision that they were not going to allow you believe in the first amendment and boobs and so once they made the decision that they were not going to allow you believe in the first men and what related commentary they could do it. I just want to make sure I heard you correctly as a woman hang and crank the show. Do you say what did you say you believe in the first amendment and BWBS? She can't even say it. Booms. Two things that have only never let me work down.

First amendment. First amendment, absolutist. I believe you got canceled because of that. Oh, they tried. I mean, legitimately they tried to get me fired off my radio show. I mean, I owned outkicks. So I mean, that's one of the benefits. I think of owning your own methods of distribution.

And I would say to anybody who wants to get involved in media, one of the most important things is you have to control, I believe, your ability to make money in some way because there is so much pressure out there on media entities that as soon as you get a little bit outside of the acceptable bounds of discourse, but that clip that you guys watched, I think that was 2017-ish, 18, whatever it was. It suddenly went viral on TikTok. And so every kid in my kid's school, very interesting. Never knew it existed.

Got it. Because they're like eight or nine years old when that happens. Yeah. Suddenly every one of them had seen it, millions of people, it was all positive. The kids loved it, but that was an audience that had never seen it.

Wow. I first saw your content on TikTok, by the way. So you know, a number of people saw another. So, I mean, I know you go from the podcast, obviously. But that's also how, I mean, I know you guys had Tate on. Yeah. And, you know, he's now home confinement right in the media. I've been reaching out, we've been reaching out to his team for a couple of weeks right before the arrest happened because we want to have them on.

It's funny because I was like, it's like, look, this guy says really interesting stuff. I know he's controversial and all that stuff and obviously he's facing these charges now. But Clay and I talked about it. We hadn't brought it up before. I looked at him and I'm like, I see this guy on TikTok. I think we should have him on the show. I think it's really interesting, some of the stuff that he's saying.

And he's like, he's like, he's my son's favorite. MindTool. I'm like, I'm going to go and I'll say, like, what is he's like? He's my son's favorite. Mind you, oldest boy. I every day, and then I'll go and I'll say like, Hey, because I mentioned there on YouTube, there on, wait, all your boys, about 15, 12 and eight. Okay. The two olders, there's no below to you. Oh, yeah. The two oldest, I said, Hey, if I could have anybody on the radio show, who would you like me to have on? And they both instantaneously said Andrew Tate and then Buck brought him up like the next two or three days later. Just happenstance, yeah.

But I think it speaks to there's a lot of boys out there. And we've talked about this on our show that feel lost in this sort of toxic masculinity era. And so they're looking for, that's what I mentioned coaches earlier, but that masculine influence who can tell teach them how to be men. And I feel like his individual like, hey, just go do more pushups and stop being a pussy. Like that actually connects a lot.

You guys remember with 13, 14, 15 year old boys? Yeah, there's no question about it. I asked a question when I said, like, who's the audience? When people come in, they'll talk to me. I'll say, so how do you know about us and what we do? Oh, I watch Vietaiman all the time. I said, do you watch the podcast or just Vayteam at it? Which podcast? Okay, great. So you're more to Vayteam and audience. How about yourself? You know, I watch the podcast and I listen, you

know, through Spotify, okay, so Spotify, interesting audience. What do you do for? I want to know what the background of these guys are. Yeah. Tiktok. If I go to school with my kids, their kids, well, their friends will stop by because they're TikTok audience, right? Snap audience, I can't really find a Snapchat audience. There's Instagram, there's YouTube, there's Spotify, there's, you know, TikTok, but it's different. If I go on Fox and I see who stops me, I'm on a damn Bungino show and next thing,

you know, the following day, hey, you know, I saw you sitting on the damn Bungino show. So, okay, that makes makes sense, older crowd. It's a very different crowd. But the thing when you're starting out I think is you got to, when you're newer, not you guys, you guys are at this point your vets you're running the show with the biggest eyeballs you took a spot that everybody went, everybody was fighting for that spot. I remember the whole talk was this guy's going to get it. Is he going to get it?

Is that going to get it? No way. Thank God it's insane. Everybody was talking about that slide. But when you start out, it's important to have a very niche audience to start off with. And then gradually, as you go wider and you talk other opinions, people say, damn, you actually can talk about that stuff. Can we hear more things like that? Kind of like what you were talking about earlier.

The thing about radio, I said, like, the people come up, and I literally mean that. Like, if someone comes up and they're like, Boc and they hug me and I don't know them, they listen to me on radio and some of them listening for 12 years. Crazy. I mean, there are some people, there have been, I know of a couple that's married because they both listened to my show and through hashtags, they found each other. I swear to God, guys in the military found each other. You're a match made lady as well.

Just because they love the show. The most impressive thing for some of the people that listen from TikTok is when you said you transitioned. That's becoming very common now. They're so transitioned and it's impressive that maybe you started that some years ago. I like to think that I'm a guy who adapts very quickly. You know, it's part of the CIA training. And plus we had, you know, understanding of how to,

how to shape a fear of your- My name is Buck Sexton and I've transitioned from- From CIA to media. You're just gonna clip that. Yeah, that's gonna be a plot trend. So, but just real quick, you're talking all these platforms. It also is, it's a business strategy, that's gonna be a big difference. So, but just real quick, are you talking all these platforms? It also is, it's a business strategy,

but it's also a survival mechanism. And we saw this particularly during COVID. I mean, survival, within the business, because now everyone really understands what some of us have been shouting about for a long time. We've both dealt with this a bit. I mean, you showed Clay trying to cancel. I've been, I've been throttled, suspended, kicked off,

a count shut down, and was all really over COVID stuff. So now people understand that you gotta be on, you know, on YouTube, on Rumble, on Spotify, all these different places, because if you go all in on one place, they will turn the lights off on you for political reasons, for nonsense reasons, right? Not for anything in anybody.

So that's why I think also being multi-platform is kind of a necessity now for almost everybody who's in the business. More than being a multi-platform individual yourself is who's running those different platforms? Like one of the best things that happened is Spotify backed up Rogan, okay, Musk, Bot, Twitter, and Rumble is growing.

Those three things are very, very good for content creators because just two, three years ago, one person in Silicon Valley canceled you, 99 other people canceled you as well, similar to what happened, a couple guys that we both know about. All right, let's go into some stories here. You're from New York.

Okay, article came out yesterday from New York Post, nearly a third of Neworkers want to move out this is after all the three hundred and thirty thousand you know the numbers that we've all read about and how many people left nearly a third of new yorkers want to move out fed up with crime housing cost poor school poor schools and more if you look at the bottom with stats new yorkers are so worried about crimes, sky high housing cost, and struggling schools, 27% of state residents said they want to move away in the next five

years of survey revealed a stunning 30% respondent who also cited inept political leadership and soaring taxes as reasons for wanting to flee said they already long to live somewhere else according to Sienna College Research Institute quality of life Paul nearly a third 31% plan to leave the Empire State when they retire while even more said they believe it's not safe for kids. Angela Gutierrez 38 of East Harlem is one of the New Yorkers who will soon ditch the state. The more and more you look at the stats. I mean, this was a place that everybody wanted to be at. Bottom stats I'll read to you and then I'll turn it over to you guys. 67% of residents in New York wasn't affordable.

While only 30% said it was, 49% of respondents in New York, a fair or poor, when asked if it's a place where they feel safe from crime. Only 51% gave an answer of good or excellent. Crime serves during the pandemic. 60% of New York is not a good place to retire, while 38% said it was.

57% said the political system doesn't work. I mean, I can go on and on and on and on and on. What do you think is really happening in New York? Because when I talk to New Yorkers, they'll say things like this. They'll say, no one's gonna leave New York. No matter what they say, no one's leaving New York. This is the place to be.

This is the mecca. This is where everybody comes to. What's really going on in New York? People who say that are unfortunately delusional. So, I'm born and raised in New York City. Both my parents were born in New York City. Three of my four grandparents were born in New York City. So we go back quite a ways in NYC.

I grew up in New York just for the purposes of the audience to understand what has happened here because New York went through an incredible, really almost miraculous fix and now has been ruined again effectively. Or is in the process, I should say, of being ruined. So when I grew up in New York City, which is early, like, let's say, early 90s, 1990 New York had over 2200 murders. Okay, people go back and they always, they say there's no way you can check that statistic.

It was 22 something, over 2,000 murders, which when you think about what we're looking at now in different cities in New York, got went from 2200 murders. Giuliani comes in, there's this whole change in the approach to crime and criminal justice and everything. Yep. By the time I'm graduating high school, New York is now looking at, can we get below

300 murders? Think about that. From 2200 people, gunned down to in a decade or so, you're like, can we get it to like 250, 275? So that happened, which was phenomenal. A New York, I do think, obviously 9-11, but actually the response from the city to 9-11, and it was incredible how fast the bounce back was from the biggest attack on our country since Pearl Harbor,

and obviously it's what led me to the CIA and trying to, I literally got out of college, and I was like, I want to help find Ben Laden and kill that SOB. Like that was my mission in life. I went to work for CTC and the CIA. So New York was this amazing place. It got super safe. Clay always says in the show and it's totally true that you want to

be able to live in a place where your wife can go jogging at night and you don't even think twice about it. And I'm telling you, New York in the 2000s, from let's say 2000 to 2010, 2011 before DiBlasio, 100% the case. So then you get DiBlasio comes in. The problem is New York City had been so safe, so wealthy and was the mecca that those people talk about that it seemed like it was an unsinkable battleship of awesomeness, right? It's just, okay, we can raise taxes,

we can start to do things that are, we can go a little more lax on crime. Let's get rid of stop and frisk. Let's change some of these policies. We've made it safe. We don't need to keep doing these things anymore. And it started to deteriorate. What they don't realize is that there's a momentum

to these things. Not only did you have to blasio at the top pushing effectively socialist policies in New York, but then you also bring in, and I had one of my best friends in the world was in the district attorney's office for like over a decade. So I was always talking to him about this and I worked at the NYPD.

You start seeding, they talk about the Soros back prosecutors. Yeah, you also get leftist radicals not only in these different activist groups but also they start working for city government themselves. They start coming in, they start pushing this ideology more. And then as the city began to deteriorate, you could see that they were still hoping, well, you have to be here.

That's the thing about New York. It was kind of like Hollywood and LA and Silicon Valley, right, and places where they got you. There's almost a monopoly on the industry. Well, COVID comes along. So even though they're people like this is getting dirty, it's getting unsafe, it's way too expensive.

They got rid of the salt deduction. COVID comes along and now you realize you're actually ruled over by totalitarian morons who don't care if they create misery and economic destruction because they think that this is what social justice looks like. New York is going to take at least a decade, if not decades, to recover to what it was based on the damage that was done, particularly I'd say in the last 10 years in the city,

but COVID just sent it all into overdrive. So that's how it all broke down. I felt fortunate because I lived in Nashville, just south of town, and it was like COVID didn't even exist. You know, I mean, I spent, I came down here, my kids were at a school, you know, March, April, May, and I came down to Florida and we spent May because I was like, how often are the kids

gonna be out for the whole time? We'll just spend a month at the beach. But I think I went up to visit where Buck lived. And New York is great, not because for most people where they live in New York City, but because when you leave your apartment, you can experience the city. And what COVID did was take away the experience.

And a lot of people were like, this is kind of a shitty place to live if you don't have the larger experience of the city. And then on top of what Buck said, I think a lot of people then made choices that they never would have if COVID didn't happen. And they said, okay, I'm going to try to do my job. And I'm going to go outside of the city. And what they found out was I can be just as efficient outside of the city as I would be otherwise, because you would have never suddenly, if you got a successful business, you never would have made the choices to try things that you had to do during COVID.

But when you did, I think what happened, and I've been on this for a while, COVID made red, red, or in blue, and it accelerated what I think has become very much of a national divorce. And I'll be honest with you, if I had been living in New York City or LA, when I started outkicked, a Bucks point, everybody said, you can't run a media business from Nashville. You're going to have to move at some point to New York or LA. I think that's totally false. I think there are a lot of different cities now where there's a lot of talent in Miami, South Florida, as one Nashville is one where I live Austin, Texas is one. And people realize that they could be based anywhere. And so the allure of New York City,

when your kids are having to wear masks for years, when your kids are having to live remotely, when you're cramped in a tiny little apartment, you can barely get outside to walk a dog and you can't take your kids to a park. Suddenly wasn't there. And I think it's going to take a while because now people have experienced other things, Buck, you know, you know this like suddenly one of these people, yeah, I'm like, wait a minute, I can a million dollar place in New York. I get, you know, 700 square feet on the 28th floor of a building or I can be in Boise, Idaho and I you know, 700 square feet on the 28th floor of a building, or I can be in Boise, Idaho, and I can have a monster house, right? And I think it caused people to

experience new things. And so I think the result is red, red, or blue, or, and I think we're just starting to experience that conflict of what that's going to create. I also think that during COVID, and this was a big part of why I decided to move and leave. And I do thank Governor Ron DeSantis for what he did during the pandemic. I was one of those people. I mean, I was actually the one who tweeted during the pandemic early on that leaving New York City for Florida was the closest thing you could experience as an American to leaving East Germany for West Germany in the 1960s.

I mean, you went from, you know, being at LaGuardia Airport where there were actual national guard soldiers. Like, what are they going to shoot the virus? And the whole thing was insane. They're taking down information for test and trace, the dumbest program in the history of the universe. I remember arguing with doctors about this. It was a kind of test and trace.

This has never worked anywhere. This is insane. And they'd say it works for STDs. Well, yeah, because when you ask, you know, you would think that's a little bit easier to figure out, right? But there was a mentality. There was a psychosis that took over the leadership class there.

You came down to Florida and people are splashing around in the ocean, they're going to restaurants, they're living their lives. I'm like, what the hell is going on here? And then I realized, oh, the 90% of New York city residents who voted, or it's like 80% actually, but 90% of Manhattan is Democrat, 80% of the city is Democrat.

They're part of the apparatus now. They're okay with this. Like they've been so brainwashed that I actually reached the point where I was no longer just angry at the time the mayor of New York built a Blasio, I was angry at the people who were shouting at everybody to wear masks outside because what was wrong with them?

Like what had happened to them? Fellow New Yorkers were supposed to have this like tough, we don't take any guff, you know, any BS from anybody attitude or whatever. No, we turned into a bunch of triple masking, you know, whims who were begging for the government to protect them and do all the, it was crazy. And so I'm, I'm angry about what was done to the city and I'm actually still very angry

at the people who were in charge across the board. What a point to say that, you know, New Yorkers are known to not back down and now you're just doing whatever they're telling you to do. Oh, that's impressive. Adam, impressive research over there. Yeah. Well, look, I think I think Clay is absolutely right. Sort of during COVID, the red got redder than blue got blue or born and raised in Miami.

So welcome to Miami. Officially, they're awesome. Thank you. You know, I love New York City. I'm actually going this weekend and I mean, I would never move there. Yeah. But spend a week or two there hanging around the city. Still my favorite city. I love it. Just everything that kind of comes with the

city, the price attached to living in New York City. It's kind of insane. You said you can get a million dollar house and boisy for you get a million dollar shoe box in New York City. You know, I actually went during COVID. This would have been when we were in Boca's that have been 2021. I do a lot of man on the street interviews and I went around and I started interviewing everybody in New York. Basically, this was when 30 billion dollars of tax revenue left the city. Yeah. And I went just talking to average people like so did you stay in New York? Why'd you leave New York? What would

you consider leaving New York? You know, and you get a wide variety of answers. But, you know, the common themes were taxes earn sane, right? The cost of living is insane, just basically the prices are insane. And one guy was like, listen, maybe just people aren't tough enough to stick it out in New York, the old Frank Sinatra. You can make it here, you can make it anywhere.

But I think I've seen so many people, because I used to work in nightlife, and every basically winter Christmas, New Year's, like the New Yorkers would come and us South Beach promoters were like, I let's charge these mother's suckers double, and I would see this love affair with Miami and South Florida from all the New Yorkers, and we would see them kind of tiptoe each year, like, all right, yeah. One week this year, one month, and then I'll be like, one of these guys is gonna freaking wake up and realize, you could just move here. And I think COVID basically was the impetus for them to get the hell out of here. What you hit on, and Buck and I have talked about this,

it's not just people leaving, it's the people that have the most resources that are leaving. And, you know, the difference between 13 and 14% tax in California and in New York, and where you guys are in Florida, where Buck is now, and where I am in Tennessee, we have no state income tax. Same thing in Texas. Let's just use those three as an example. If you make a million dollars a year, that's $ or 140,000 dollars extra in your pocket. That's a million. Imagine if you make 10 million or 100 million. I don't understand. I mean, just be it quite honest. I don't understand why anybody who is wealthy and I mean, supremely wealthy would ever make their residents in New York or LA. And I think COVID, some of those

guys were like, well, I've got so much money at stake. I've got a hedge fund. I got private equity. I've got to be based here. Suddenly when COVID happened, those guys took chances in terms of where they lived that they never would have otherwise. And their revenue didn't change. And then they're looking at it now.

And they're like, why would I ever give a government 14% for the privilege of living? You know, that's why your Nick Suck, man, everyone looks at the, you know, contracts going on over there. They've like, why the hell would I work in New York? I grew up watching the Nick's and it's funny because one of them was going, oh my god, the bomb squad. Are you kidding me?

The Oak Tree, I remember all of them. My brother had an Anthony Mason Jersey because his name is Mason, so it's at Mason in the back. Like we love the next growing up. I have since stopped watching both the NBA and the NFL for reasons that I don't think are English. What do you mean, just don't watch? I will not watch. No, straight up.

For politics, yeah, I won't do it. Because everything that happened with Colin Kaepernick and the bubble and the social justice and stuff, you just don't do it. Won't do it. Don't watch. And you were a lifelong sports guy? I mean, I grew up.

Yeah, I grew up actually playing a little bit. I wasn't very good or anything, but I grew up playing that ball. Maybe because you're just going to get that helmet on your head, bro. What's funny, you say that? Because I avoided helmet sports specifically because I didn't want, like,

even this is going to give me a headache if I keep it all on because my head's too big. But yeah, so I stopped watching sports. I did grow up though, you know, going to games, Yankee Stadium, but I mean Yankee Stadium. Just to get, you showed that thing, it was like, my sports. I did grow up though, you know, going to games, Yankee Stadium, but I mean Yankee Stadium, just to give, you showed that thing. It was like, my dad would have a talk to me,

like I remember when I was in Afghanistan, like before we would go out, you know, in the city, and you get together, you get together with our guys, these GRS guys who are all, you know, they're their SEAL Special Forces Delta guys and they're trying to, if you've seen 13 hours, right? Of course, those guys. So I was, if you see that movie, I was one of the guys

that they're sort of with, you know, they're the shooters and I'm there to, you know, have the meeting or talk to people or whatever, but we'd have this conversation about like, well, what are we gonna run up against here? Like, what do we think the chances of IDs or whatever? It kind of reminded me when I was a little kid, and my dad was like, we're going to Yankee Stadium,

it was everyone in New York was like, you know, it's really dangerous around there, like we're not gonna go walking around there. And that was just considered, you didn't go to Central Park at night. If you went to Central Park at night, growing up in New York City, and you got robbed, it was on you.

It was like, what are you doing in the park? This is the nicest park, and then richest part of the whole city. But like, if you went in at night, you got robbed. So those are sort of the changes that I think happens like, logically in New York. But also, like like you can get

you know i was telling him this the day to you you can find what you want everywhere in the country now in a way you couldn't be forward so in a lot of the big like new york chicago l.a. they had just better food in other places i don't people argue about this but they're wrong like in the nineties you know a good restaurant in national no offense was not a good restaurant in new york city now it is same, same quality of food. You can buy anything anywhere. I made a joke on Twitter. You could go on Amazon now and buy a tank. I don't know if you still

can, but it used to be your New York is at the best food, the best shopping and all the job opportunities you needed. And if you're a single guy, the biggest dating pool in the whole country concentrated in one place, a lot of that stuff now doesn't really matter. You think there's a metaphor with kind of what you're saying about these cities with exactly what we're talking about with the podcasts and basically you don't need to be in these mainstream legacy media companies. You can just kind of have your own YouTube channel or your own podcasting channel versus you don't need to be in these major cities anymore. You can just kind of do it from anywhere. Yeah, I mean building on what Bucks said,

I remember going to New York City as a kid, the bookstores. Like for people out there who are around my age, I'm 44, you would go, if you grew up where I did in, in Goodlitzville, Tennessee, which is not necessarily the fancy area of Nashville, you went to Walden Books, right, in your mall. And Walden Books might have, I don't know, 15,000 book or titles or something in it. And you would go, if you're trying to read something, and I was a huge reader, you would go there and you would hope that they might have a book that you wanted to read, right? Clay went to Civil War camp. I don't know.

I'm a history nerd too. True story. A legit Civil War sleep away camp. But, but the, but then I remember coming to New York City and being like, oh my God, Barnes and Noble. Like my thing that I was most impressed by in New York City wasn't the, you know, huge buildings. It was all of the bookstores that were everywhere and being able to find books you couldn't get anywhere. Now you go on Amazon, you get any book delivered to your house in 12 hours. I mean, I moved to Miami.

So I don't know, six months ago now, something like that. I haven't been shopping once. Everything just gets delivered then, right? And so That's true now all over the country. The Amazonification of the country has also changed. I think one of the big advantages of being in a city, for people who used to live out in more rural areas, even some of the suburbs, it's like, oh, if you want to get something, you had to get in a car for 40 minutes.

Now everything gets delivered to your front door. And it changes. And even pushing the remote concept backfired on a lot of these cities. When New York City or San Francisco, oh, everybody can work from home for the rest of their life. Oh, really, no problem. I will work from home in Texas.

I will work from home from Florida, or Tennessee, and I won't pay to Texas. Not a problem. We support your remote. Now they're shitting bricks saying, no, no, no, no, that remote work was just a idea. We got to get back to the office. This is not working out.

You know, commercial real estate's taking hit. This is class A buildings are taking hit. So a lot of these ideas that they drove is exactly what backfired on them. Well, building on buck making fun of me for reading old school newspapers. I was on the airplane yesterday reading my old school newspaper.

By the way, almost the only person now on the airplane who actually carries newspapers. And to what you're saying, Facebook has fired, I think 30% of their workforce. And I know Elon Musk has wiped out 80% of Twitter's workforce. But they said many of the top managers at Facebook now, some of the guys are living in Europe. Some of the guys, like they aren't even top level employees at Facebook are traveling sometimes back to Silicon Valley, but they're actually based in Europe. So I think to your point, the challenge that all out of these companies are having is one,

we're finding out that they can do their work with a fraction of the people, right? I mean, Twitter is running basically as effectively. It appears to me on 1500 employees as it was 8,000. And I think Elon Musk has given a lot of these big tech companies knowledge of just how many people they employ that they don't need. And just one more thing on the looking at the crime statistics. We people always focus immediately on, on homicides for obvious reasons, right? It's the most serious crime and also it's very hard for that to be messed with as a stat, right? People tend to know when there's a body, when someone's been killed and that's not something

that a city can hide. Quality of life stuff though, I mean, this is what you're really seeing in San Francisco, although there's violent crime there too, that we've seen recently. Quality of life crimes in pretty much every major city, which are all under Democrat control, not to make it too political, but it is political. They're completely through the roof, meaning just the day-to-day stuff, people seeing open-air drug usage and the effective or actual decriminalization of drugs, needles on the streets, all that kind of stuff.

That makes people not want to go into the downtown also. So there's a snowball effect here. Things just kind of keep getting bigger because the remote work is easier. You can go to a low tax place. And also, I mean, do you want to go into downtown San Francisco these days? Do you want to go into, you know, even like Times Square in New York has gotten a lot sketchier in the last few years. You would think that, but they voted the same type of

mayor in Chicago. Yeah. San Francisco is not changing. They voted a Democratic governor, although she almost lost to the other guy who was creating a lot of momentum. He, what's his name? The New York governor that was running up against the, what was his name? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no himself. They thought, hey, you're going to run for president. Think about this.

Lee's Zeldin wins. Brad gets fired. Trump doesn't get indicted. So that decision by those Democrats in New York, not to go along with Lee's Zeldin, may change the history of the country in a pretty profound way as this legal issue for some plays out. And also think about how much harder to, we talked about this on the show. Those cities and those states only have themselves to blame. And I think Bucks analogy on New York City is a

great one from 2,200 down to 300 or 250 or whatever the murder rate went to. It's because people in New York City got so fed up, they said, okay, bring in Rudy Giuliani, wall elected Republican. We're going to have to shake up what we're doing. They're so committed. The left wingers are that they just elected this guy, Brandon Johnson in Chicago, for an example. He and we've talked about this on the show got the support overwhelmingly from the highest crime areas. And he's basically a defund the police guy.

So one of the challenges I think that's going to be in play here is a lot of sane people have bailed and they're just not voting there to the point on Lee's Eldon. How many probably several hundred thousand would be red voters have just said, I'm done with New York. That's how we made Florida redder. It's how the Santa's won by 19 points. How much more challenging is it going to be for that pivot to occur because they're losing some of the middle of the road, saying voters that would otherwise have allowed moderate so when. So let me ask you this, New York, we beat up New York plenty. Let's go to the next topic, but it's within this topic. So you know, every election season, different topics matter, midterms, everybody talk about Roe v Wade, bat timing, it's McConnell's fault. He did

intentionally to her Trump to show that a by getting an endorsement for MAGA and all along, it means as much as I did before, we got to go a different way, we got to get a Rhino candidate, that, that, that. Okay, great. You go, Trump ran, hey, it's got to be a border, it's, you know, make America great again, we got to pay attention to the border, China, tariffs, you know, everybody runs on something that's timely, that people are interested in. If you guys were hired to be the campaign managers or strategists behind closed doors

for dissentist or Trump, what would be the top three, you know, items you would be driving that the voters right now are most concerned about? He wrote a book on this, so he's going to have a book on this. So he's going to have a lot of the out of it. With this. With the topic of it. This is the entire top. So I'll just I'll do an appetizer and he can do the entree on this one.

I think the the border is an enormously important issue. All these things have to be messaged the right way and people have to really understand why it matters as well as just the constant, you know, bringing this up and part of the national conversation. I mean, I think the the border, the economy is always, always top three. So what could be done for the economy that we better, that would be better than what we've seen. And I really also think as Ukraine is heating up people that come forward and explain how we spent 20 years fighting in wars. I was, as a civilian sea, I analyst, not a door kicker, but I was in a couple of those war zones, saw what was going

on. Personally, the fact that it feels like we've almost forgotten the lessons of what are we doing here and what is the strategy this quickly with this Ukraine mission creep. It is a hundred percent mission creep that we have. You know, it's always incremental. So it feels like, oh, but we're not, you know, we don't have you. Well, actually, we do have US troops there as they've now come out. So we have, we have mission creeps that it's just going to increment.

Yes, exactly. Get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. A thing. So it's not like we're going to be pulling out anytime soon, like an Afghanistan situation. We're going to be doubling down as I'm going to be. We are going to be supporting the Ukrainians against the Russians for years.

This war will go on for years. And anybody who doubts that should remember that the war has been going on already since 2014 when they initially invaded the Donbass and then had the phony referendum in Crimea I mean it was a referendum, but it was at gunpoint whatever This has already been building for a long time this issue is much more important to the Russians than it is to us They will go to the mat on this one. There is no, oh, Putin's under too much pressure. The guy who takes over after Putin, he's not gonna wanna give up Ukraine either,

wherever that would be. So somebody who can say, I'm gonna keep us out of a war. We're only going to war if someone's starting to war with us. I think that would be very powerful. I think that's why Trump, by the way, and his recent Tucker interview, focused so much on that foreign policy piece. Secure the border.

Oh, and then I know you said three, I'm sorry. Economy we could all agree, and the other one would be crime. Crime is huge. Republicans are up 10, up 12, up 15, depending on the poll. You see against Democrats in crime, because they basically decided to legalize crime as part of a social justice initiatives

and all kinds of crazy left-wing abolish the police ideology. So that's what we got. So you mentioned DeSantis and Trump. Let me actually start with Biden. If Trump is the nominee, Joe Biden, my concern is, and I think it's true, Joe Biden's entire record won't matter because his entire campaign is going to be, I'm not Trump. And most of the time, elections are referendums on the incumbent. My concern is Trump versus Biden 24, the entire story is going to be Biden saying, I'm not Trump and those suburban

college educated white women who overwhelmingly abandoned Trump. I don't know how Trump gets them back. So if I were advising Trump, I would say your entire campaign has to be moms because how do you change? What is, what has occurred in the 20, in the last four years? If I'm advising Trump, you need to be running a general election campaign starting now. And you have to appeal. How do you get those people back? That is the sole focus because Buck and I have talked about this on the show. We certainly talk about it off air. It's number one conversation. Let's presume 81 million people. Let's take the numbers that are out there. 81 million roughly voted for Biden. Obviously, rigged job,

benefit of COVID, changing the rules, all those things. I'm not, I don't want to have the debate, but 81 million, 75 million roughly for Trump. 156 million voters. How many of those people are willing to change their mind in 2024 if we have a rematch? The only thing you think, actually, a million, right? I don't think that I think people are, this goes to the point on your voting Democrats, red, red or blue, blue, I think people are so this goes to the point on your voting Democrats, red, red or blue blur. I think people are so dug in. It's like trench warfare and politics.

It's hard to get the lines to move at this point. So what do you have to do if you are Trump to me, you have to convince all those women. And this is why the abortion thing, I think, is going to play in because I think they'll also, they'll just terrify you. You know, your daughter, she gets pregnant and she's 14, she's not, Trump's going to keep her from getting an abortion, right? Like that's the, they're going to go after the suburban college moms and it's going to be a challenge. So I, I have a slightly different pathway for Trump.

If he is, in fact, the, the nominee on the Republican side, just because I think what Clay is saying about the numbers is obviously true. I think Trump's ability to win back those voters is close to zero. So the only thing that he can flip the using those soccer moms, no chance, no chance, no chance, no chance. And I love Trump. I mean, I think he's a great guy.

I mean, when I say that, I actually mean that I don't know more like personal. I think he's a great guy. Really, you know, Clay and I spent a lot of time with him. I've actually known him and the family since I was a little kid in New York too. Not well, but you know, I met him, different events and things. He went to prom with a vodka. Oh, you can't do that.

He was junior prom. Real story? Junior prom. It was like she was a friend. I can't believe he just blew me up. I know. I know. I can't believe he just blew me up.

No, no. He was interested in things. He said so far. I can't believe. I know I would I would I Said so I can't about so it was shit about Afghanistan It's like CIA exactly like he went to prom with a box looking at you a whole different way Oh, here. I thought you were this big headed dude that just you know talks about it now I know you got some gay. Yeah, it was it was no there's no photo of it online. It was junior it was junior Proberton, it's promed on your prom junior junior. You went with Ivanka. Let's relax really You're doing your thing. So yeah, I mean, Jared's a very powerful man

If Jared is worried about who is You guys have you guys, this is total, have you guys gone to your wives or girlfriends like high school reunions or college reunions? Have you guys been to any of those events? No. Oh, well. So that this is an experience. See who they dated, you say?

Yes, that's it. I mean, I did have the LA times reached out to me. I saw the DM somewhere on Facebook and they were just like, we've seen the photos of you at Ivanka at the Regis Prom. Like, would you like to comment? I didn't even respond. I was like, what are we going to comment?

Like, we were like 15 year old kids. Like, we're in a, there's like priests everywhere. I went to a Jesuit school. I don't even understand what we're talking about. I would've been like, yes, but not on the right. It was funny though, because she, I mean, she was, she's a total sweetheart and a really, really nice, how always has been a really nice person.

I didn't realize how much at the time it was, it actually was the other girls who were there. She's a total sweetheart and a really, really nice, always has been a really nice person. I didn't realize how much at the time. It was, it actually was the other girls who were there who all, because she was really big in the like 16 magazine, or you know, whatever, you know, team, those kind of like fashion magazines for younger people. I would be back in the day, man. So she was taking photos with them for like,

I was just like there by myself talking to the guys like, yeah, you know, she's my friend, she came, you know, she was not my girlfriend I don't want to like overplay this but anyway she's a cool lady so I've known the Trump's for a long time back to political analysis but I think Trump's a great guy I don't think he can win back those suburban moms I think the way that he wins is white working class voters who for example voted for obama twice and then flipped in twenty sixteen in the key states i think that's it

you just got a lot of rustle he's again hundred michigan he's got a good he's got to get union union guys with high school degrees from was constant michigan to believe again and to show up for him he does that i think you can flip enough votes to do it. If he can do the suburban soccer mom thing, I mean, then he's definitely going to. What about a dissentist? If I were advising dissentists, so let's go back. This is the primary advice. I think dissentists has to go

balls to the wall. And I think he has to, you know, they just announced that Fox News is going to have the first debate in August and Milwaukee. I think it's going to be on rumble as well. This August, this, uh, yeah, this August to be the first debate. Um, I think that DeSantis has to say on the stage, you lost to Joe Biden. You got your ass kicked by the worst president that any of us have ever lived through. He's a joke. You lost to him. Call out Trump directly. Andy has to say, and if you're the nominee, you will lose to him again. And DeSantis has to say, not only will I not lose to him, I will kick his ass. So if you want a president who is a Republican, by the way, you could have me for eight years instead of four with Trump. I think he has

to go ball. I can't tip toe up to it because and here's my thesis on that. If he says that to Trump, I think Trump being called a loser will be so furious about the fact that he gets called a loser that Trump will go back into his, they stole the election. This is why I lost and I think that doesn't have the same resonance. And I think a lot of people want to win so badly. The santa's play is, I'm an electable version of Trump. I will be a more disciplined version of him. You saw the way that I responded to COVID. I didn't, you know, deferred to Dr. Anthony Fauci and everybody else as long as Trump did. I think he has to go right

after him because here's what I'll say. Trump is way better in individual, like if Trump, if you had Trump and DeSantis in this room right now, or just to meet all your staff out there, I think people would be like, holy cow, Trump is amazing on the just gripping grin, the shake, the individual interaction. I don't think DeSantis has that same charisma. Yeah, why would he? Trump's been in an icon for 40 years, 50 years. He spent his whole life, he spent his whole life

faking hands and chatting with people. His daughter went to a prom with a buck over here. That's a big deal. So I think, you know, the IOA new hamster thing that will surprise people is, Trump's really good going into McDonald's and like shaking hands and kissing babies. I'm not sure DeSantis is going to be, but that's a risky proposition for DeSantis, by the way, because if you go all in after Trump in 24 and he loses, how does that impact things

in 28? Will people remember that in DeSantis? Yeah. Can you even think that you got to go six years in the future. But I think sometimes people don't kind of got to go with what's right in front of your face. No balls

to the wall because they're worried about the future. If he wants to win, he has to like basically burn the ships behind him and say, this is it. And so I think that it depends on the Trump approach to dealing with the Santa's once

he gets in, which I think is likely to be, basically, we've seen so far just total scorched earth. Although I do know some people who are in Trump world who are saying they're a little surprised that some of the, they're so used to Trump insults just crushing people, right? Like little Marco and low energy jab and, you know, go down the list, right? Crooked Hillary. Crooked, crooked Hillary. He'd probably the best. I mean, that one line might have won him the 2016 election.

He's so good at that. But even ardent Trump supporters and voters, when he says Florida's always been great, Rhonda Santas didn't do a good job. They go, oh, wait, no, no, no, no, no. Like that's not, that's not a thing, you know? There are other things maybe you could say or criticize or go after them on, but saying that Ron wasn't good during COVID. Some of that starts to feel like he's insulting the intelligence of the people who support

him the most. And people like me who voted for him twice, you got to say things, you know, they're going to hate each other, right? But it's got to be a clean fight in the sense that, you know, I know it's going to be tough, but it's got to be a clean fight in the sense that it has to be based in some form of health. So you guys are part of the camp that you believe Trump doesn't be Biden, but you believe the sentence could be Biden direct.

That's not, I think Trump, just to go back to your point, if I were advising Trump, I would say start running the general election now because I think he minimizes himself when he goes after DeSantis. What I had hoped Trump was going to say in Mar-a-Lago right after he got indicted and had to appear for the arrangement. I wish he had said, it's time for all Republicans to come together. I won't say a single negative word about Ron DeSantis. I'm focused on Biden. He's the, you know, he elevates himself and he wins.

That's the way I see it. You know, there's no chance he's going down there. Nobody should know that. I think that's the way I see it. You know, there's no chance he's going down there. No, but he should know that. I think that's the way that he could win. My concern is you guys watch Game of Thrones back in the day. Like 10 years ago, you didn't watch Game of Thrones. Oh my God. He's watched one show, House of Cards.

That was it, right? That's it. Game of Thrones. So Game of Thrones, and we've talked about this on the show. You have Trial by Combat. The benefit that Republicans have right now is you know who your combatant is in theory. It's Joe Biden. He's a shitty fighter.

He should get his ass kicked. My concern is if Democrats can pick their opponent, they're trying to put Trump in the ring against Biden because they think they can beat Trump. And so Trump has to be more sophisticated than he was in 16 and 20 to win. And I feel like so many people to Bucks point have a preconceived conclusion of Trump. I think the Santas would smoke Joe Biden.