PBD Podcast - Comedian Bryan Callen | PBD Podcast | Ep. 159

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Starting point is 00:00:21 that they lend you and you get a margin calling like shit. How do I pay this back? It's not a good situation. Lots of people going through it. Anyways, we are live. Okay. So episode 159 today's guest is the one and only Brian Callin, famous for band, comedian movies. The moment he came in first thing I thought about when I saw him, I'm like, freaking, I'm going back to hangover. The scene at the chair. I can't get that out of my head.

Starting point is 00:00:45 You motherfucker. That's it. Exactly. I don't know just to be clear, it's not like he's just quoting you because you're here. He says it all. Yeah, let me tell you. You don't remember me. He's all the time, bro.

Starting point is 00:00:56 We've met at Cavalya, which was this horse show where these guys can do everything on a horse, men and women on a horse. And I think you were like, I see this big handsome guy, I think with a beautiful woman at the time. And you were like, I know you from somewhere and I used to get in that, I think we talked now. How long ago was that? Dude, it's got to be 10, 11, 12 years old.

Starting point is 00:01:13 Wow. It literally, yeah. My daughter was very young, so. Yeah, it was a while ago. And I saw my like, you gotta be kidding me, you know? Then obviously we had Brandon Shabon, which was great, it was great talking to Brandon. And he loves you. Brandon also. Who? Yeah, obviously, we had Brandon Shobb on, which was great. It was great talking to Brandon and we. He loves you.

Starting point is 00:01:26 Brandon also. Who? Brandon. He's used to it. He's used to Brandon. Brandon. Yeah, well, that's your thing. You know, like people do it all too.

Starting point is 00:01:35 It's Brandon Shob. You'll call him Brandon. I call him Breon. Yeah. Brandon Shobb. Brandon, listen, Mr. Shobb is that easier for you? Let's do that. Like how you say Peter Thiel.

Starting point is 00:01:44 How about the guy that considers you a very athletic individual? High school, high school, high school. He took a shot at the guy. Our entire job, we'll get, we'll see this guy. He brought it up on, he says, I told one of the guys, you know, he was talking about one of the guys, you know, it was, but we're still friends.

Starting point is 00:02:01 I thought Brendan was a great guest. I think he's funny. It is what it is. We played dodgeball and he can't throw a ball I said I said I love I said I love fire. Well, you were telling the story about how he blew out a couple hand strings I don't know if you want to throw that It's common. It was on the podcast, right? You know, I'm begging him to warm up before he sprints a hundred yards Since he hasn't done it in 10 years and he kind of went now to you He gave that right in the face.

Starting point is 00:02:25 Yeah. I'm good. The whole hands and the face. Well, because the thing about getting older, is you realize the laws of physics, the laws of the universe applied to you. When you're young and you're like, well, you know, I don't, I have this joke about the fact that when you're young, you actually do believe you're one of God's favorites, right? You do.

Starting point is 00:02:41 You're invincible. Tragedy and lost. It's so sad over there, but I'm just going keep it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why you do crazy things like parkour because gravity, you know, but literally in their 40s picks up parkour because you realize, well, God, there's no, there are no favorites. Yeah. You know, and it's, it's, it's really, though, there are a few favors. You, my friend, you're a lot more. He's half a

Starting point is 00:03:04 series. He's biblical. Are you 50 yet? How old are you? 55? What have you learned about here? Are you really? Get out of you. Right? No shift. What have you learned about stretching? Good for you. Stretching because Brendan Shobb did it. 55. Take your lesson for it. I do, I do, I people laugh, but I actually do yoga every day. But not long. Really? Yeah. But the but the, my philosophy is moderation. And I think what I'll do is, if I'm in a lift weights,

Starting point is 00:03:31 I'll do 20 minutes of, but it's intense. I'll do maybe 15 minutes of yoga, not this hour and a half stuff. And I think consistency and then just learning not to, learning how to eat, not getting crazy, not turning into a religion, let's enjoy our life, please. And just at the end of the day, moderation, golden mean. The people get too crazy.

Starting point is 00:03:52 I'm carnivore, I'm keto, I'm sorry. It's too much. I don't subscribe to that. Well, I got caught last week. I was with the girl. I was in the bathroom because I know we're about to go up. I got caught stretching in the bathroom. She was like, why are you counting in there? I was like, girl. I was in the bathroom because I know we're about to wake up. I got caught stretching in the back. She was like, why are you counting in there?

Starting point is 00:04:07 I was like, I was like, just mind your business. I don't worry about it. You're stretching before. 100% I don't want to pull something during. You know what I mean? You did a bit, we went to his comedy show. About, like you, oh yeah. Sex in your 20s is a lot of different sex in it.

Starting point is 00:04:21 Forty, about 40s. And I did a bit where I'm like, you know, when you were younger, you could pick the girl up on the dresser and she would throw everything off the dresser. I go, that's hot at 20. At 40, your whole life is on that dresser. There's antiques.

Starting point is 00:04:33 If a girl does that, I'm like, that's why you made a fly. To picture my mother. What are you talking about? You had that in mind? Yeah, what are you doing? It's my whole mother. So you have to dress her up.

Starting point is 00:04:43 You also don't care. I mean, after a while it's like, all right, we've done all this. Yeah. A little connection. I yeah, the dresser up. You don't care. I mean, that's for a while. It's like, all right, we've done all this. It's a little connection. I'm gonna move on. I got 15 minutes. How do the stretching work out for you, though, Vinnie? Dude, I'm not, because, you know, I'm 44 years old.

Starting point is 00:04:55 It worked. I'm just saying, like, when I hook up now, by the little side thing, I have water, a banana. I don't. I'm fighting. I swear to God when you get in your four, you guys, when you're in your four days I don't care. What are you gonna do make fun of me? I don't care anymore if I was 20

Starting point is 00:05:09 I'd be like what do you look now? It's whatever. I'm stretching. I have to I the whole yoga thing I have that visual is a little concerning Okay, let me do the couple stretches You read banana on the no the side Stretching the stretching yeah, I heard somebody say they were talking about the red queen phenomenon, that idea that, you know, you have to run as fast as you can just to stay in place. Right. And it's a term that they use sometimes, which comes from Alice Wonderland.

Starting point is 00:05:36 And I think when you get to a certain age, that's exactly what happens. You start to accept part of what wisdom might be as coming to terms with your own limitations, coming to terms with the fact that no matter what you do, you are a limited creature, and no matter what you do, you're probably gonna, you're not gonna look as good next year, you're not gonna be a strong next year, no matter what.

Starting point is 00:05:56 It just comes a time when you've gotta accept the inevitable decline of the body. But I think with that comes hidden gifts. Hidden gifts. Such as what? Acceptance, understanding, wisdom. Letting go of those kinds of things that you probably shouldn't have been holding onto

Starting point is 00:06:13 in the first place, and making room in your mind for other efforts and other understanding. How much of that you think is wisdom? How much of that is the fact that your testosterone level is just lower? You know, this is, this becomes a question between biology and spirituality, right? It's so funny, as your biology starts to get worse. Somehow you get worse. I'm so serious.

Starting point is 00:06:38 Exactly. It's like, why am I fucking goddad? You kids keep having a success keep, you're just dancing. For me, I'm going to show Lord, the Lord of death, the Lord of death, the Lord of death. That's because I'm afraid I'm going to get to heaven and God's going to have my entire life on one piece of paper. Like my dad did with my report card.

Starting point is 00:06:54 By the way, think about it. If they ran this testosterone, you know, levels of people go to church, what that would look like, like attendance wise. Probably is very low in attendance. Fracking data, yes. What I think, like it's like, great question, dude. If I find a church with high testosterone level attendees think about that church.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Oh my God. I mean, they're sending every other second. Yeah, that's a church you want to go. Hell yeah, I want to be on that church. You could draw a correlation I guarantee to antibiotics, to things that took care of syphilis and other things where sex didn't cost you your life and also even the pill and all these things that kind of liberate back in the day, dude.

Starting point is 00:07:30 Sex was a very risky enterprise. You could get some crazy disease, you could get pregnant and be banished from society and so I think you're right. I mean, a lot of things that kind of like God kind of died with antibiotics and birth control. There's some sort of thing. That's right, you wonder. You wonder the church of Cal and over there.

Starting point is 00:07:49 Yeah, you wonder how much of this stuff, like how much of it changes because, literally you're becoming wise or how much of a change is because, you don't have another choice. Like to let go of that, you know, midlife crisis when some go through, it's like, well, I'm not 32 anymore.

Starting point is 00:08:04 And I'm not 38 anymore. I'm not, you know, whatever that number may be for some people, you see it a lot. I think, like I remember being 28 years old, I meet the scan. He says, you know, 28's one, the toughest age, a man will go through. So tell me why 28. He says, because you're close to 30,

Starting point is 00:08:21 friends are married with kids, you're no longer close to 20, you're about to hit that number. If you're not married, you are married with kids. You're no longer close to 20. You're about to hit that number. If you're not married, you're gonna be worried. If your career's not said you have all these types of anxiety and you may make some stupid mistakes at 28. And then you turn 38 and you're wondering if there's this thing when the number

Starting point is 00:08:38 switches every single time. Like you go from 39 to 40, from 49 to 50. Did you ever have something like that with you? Or you're like, yeah, this is 40, it's just 30, you just fit. No, my biggest fear was regret. And I was afraid, I think one of the most important things are two of the most important decisions I think you're making in life.

Starting point is 00:08:55 One is who you choose to spend your life with, right? So if you're gonna get married or you're gonna bring somebody in your life, that's a very, that decision should be treated with great gravity. And, and I think if in a lot of times you don't get lucky with that, it's a tough, it's a tough thing. But I think the other thing is to know, to learn at a young age and be ruthless with

Starting point is 00:09:16 yourself, where are you supposed to place your energy? And I knew that if I didn't become a comic or an actor, I was gonna become a small person who didn't like himself. How old were you when you knew that? I was probably 21. Well, I went to college and I said, I'm gonna try to be an actor and then I talked myself out of it. I did some acting and I said, oh, this is very difficult and I don't know what this means.

Starting point is 00:09:44 And there's no linear progression, right? I've always liked linear stuff. If you show me how to get a black belt or you show me how to learn how to play the guitar, if you show me the way, I'm going to do it. And I'll figure out a way to get better at it. Because it's linear, you just go straight, put your head down and just go. I've always kind of thrived and routine and practiced. I don't have a problem with that. When you have something like acting or stand up and you know Vinnie, it's like there's no path, man. You've got to just continue to be, you're in the and routine and practice, I don't have a problem with that. When you have something like acting or stand up and you know Vinnie, it's like there's no path, man. You've got to just continue to be,

Starting point is 00:10:09 you're in the business of what I call original self-expression. But for me, I knew that once I made the decision to become an actor and a comic, that I was gonna be okay. Because even if it didn't work out, I had the courage to go for it. And I think you die a little bit when you knew the answer. if it didn't work out, I had the courage to go for it. And I think you die a little bit when you knew the answer.

Starting point is 00:10:29 I think you always know the answer. You know, it's like this expression, it takes five minutes of fall in love and the rest is denial, and then there's another expression, which is people get divorced after 20 years over what they knew about that person in the first 10 minutes. I think it's a very important thing to keep in mind

Starting point is 00:10:43 because you know that about yourself. People ask me questions as I get older and stuff. You know, they want the young men who want questions about life mostly. You know the answer, man. Usually I go take a second. Do you know the answer to this question? You're just asking me for affirmation.

Starting point is 00:10:58 And I understand that. We all do it because it's scary. It's very scary to actually take a minute and visualize your best self. The hero of your movie, there's a coward of your movie and there's a hero of your movie. And then there's the guy who's just kind of going through his life and when the gunslinger comes to town he closes the shutters because he's afraid. We have all of that in us, man. But to really look at the best version of yourself, the version of yourself that you would admire, that you would go to a movie to watch,

Starting point is 00:11:29 the version of yourself that does the right thing no matter what, that tells the truth and aligns himself with the highest truth or good that he can imagine or she can imagine. Very scary, because it requires, it takes responsibility, man. And I don't think anybody can get you there. You have to stand on your own two feet. And sometimes it takes a crisis to force you there, you know? But I think it's worth, I really think it's worth meditating on. I think that's the north star all of us

Starting point is 00:11:59 should be kind of reaching for. And I don't mean just money and status and power. I don't mean just that. I don't think that's enough. I I don't mean just money and status and power. I don't mean just that. I don't think that's enough. I really don't. I think it's something else. And I do think, Brian, it's an awful what you were saying, lying to yourself, because once you're true to you, like you said, like, when you ask that dude, you know, you know, you know, we're talking about, you know, and I tell people this all the time, I'm not saying be a liar. Bullshit, people bullshit, you know, little white lies

Starting point is 00:12:26 that protect people's feelings. Don't lie to you. Why do you lie to yourself? You know you're being foolish. Once you're honest and you don't give a shit about anybody's concerns or, I mean, it's not easier said than done. When you just don't care, you're just being honest,

Starting point is 00:12:39 then you could live your life. Do you know what I like about this podcast? I watch this podcast. I don't watch very few things. And one thing I notice about you, it's gonna sound really weird, but you listen very intently. And I've heard you, and I've watched you listen,

Starting point is 00:12:53 I've watched you interview pretty formidable people to some mafia guys or just some very successful people. What I liked about you, and I didn't know you, but what I liked about you was that you are genuinely interested. You're curious. That has nothing to do with money. It has nothing to do with anything else. It's you're a driven guy and you're successful, but

Starting point is 00:13:12 that's kind of what I'm talking about. You know, there's this, I think it's important to kind of reach beyond yourself. Think about how much of our culture reflects directly back to ourself. Open a magazine, it's all about nutrition, exercise, it's all about your biology. All right, dude, I got it, your hair, I mean, there are ways to do it. But that's not necessarily the answer. There are things that part of this whole process of talking and podcasting, which great is that, man, it feeds your

Starting point is 00:13:43 curiosity. It's satiate your curiosity. The world is a mystery. No question about it. So many things in life are a dark room and sometimes you get a flashlight and you can look around and... Yep. Right? So what a point.

Starting point is 00:13:55 By the way, so when you were coming up and you're saying 21, you kind of knew, because then, you know, I'm trying to act on, I don't want to know if it's just kind of weird. And then you're like, I want to go give this a shot. I was working, I was a banker. I was at Lehman Brothers. Kit Hattie. Wow. Yes. Yes. What, you're like, I want to go give this a shot. I was working, I was a banker. I was at Lehman Brothers. Kit had a guess. Wow. Yes.

Starting point is 00:14:07 Well, you're 1,133. I went right out of college. I was a history major. I bullshit my way into the accounts receivable payables department. And I just, dude, I was there for 16 months. And I was like, I just don't care about mortgage back securities.

Starting point is 00:14:19 I was taking a class and then I kept, I got good rem sleep in that class. Good question. I just wasn't my thing, bro. If you cared a little bit more about it, you could have prevented a 2008 Meltdown maybe more good back to here. I had a lot of guarantees.

Starting point is 00:14:31 He was, my hair is, guys, bring them in. If I had looked at the tranches, when were you, their late 80s, early 90s? What's the, I was there in, yeah, I was there. I graduated 89, I was there, 89, 90, 91. Wow. What a time to be so, Adam's right, I was there, 89, 90, 91. Wow. What a time to be so famous. So, it was a slow, slow, slow.

Starting point is 00:14:47 And I attempt at Goldman Sachs for almost two years. And I- This is where, where were you? I was in New York City. In New York City. Oh, yeah. So, I just, I mean, I worked a couple of blocks with in the World Trade Center.

Starting point is 00:14:59 So, you know, Goldman Sachs was where I saw, back then, dude, the quality of people they'd get. You would come in, I would see the resumes. You'd come in, you'd be like a Delta Force guy, set yourself through Harvard, and you could play the cello, and you spoke 20 languages, and they'd be like, you know what, nah, it was unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:15:16 The quality, how did you get in? I was an actor, I was an actor, right in a bad place, doing stand up, doing whatever I could was that your personality That's so that or no like was it a reason because it's not the resume right? It's the personality that they meet you. They're like we like this guy. No, I can find my five more. I make it Yeah, I think I get him laughing. Yeah, who doesn't want to know who doesn't want a professional jackass around yeah By the way, that's me here just so you know, that's exactly how I got my job out more can stand I was just gonna say that dude. Let me tell you you know, that's exactly how I got my job out more can stand. I was just gonna say that. Just do let me tell you

Starting point is 00:15:45 you know You you're talking of Vince Vaughan and and Vince asks you Good friend of mine. What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? I was interviewing a lot of models, women, about what they're looking for in a man, and comes along Vince Vaughn. I'm like, hey, Vince, wanna do an interview, value-taming PPD? Oh yeah, I know that, what's up, what's up? So I say, well, you're the famous wedding crasher. What advice do you have for men?

Starting point is 00:16:15 Well, here's what I think, and nobody does this, and this kind of goes to your point of being curious and inquisitive. He goes, I don't know, but I see you ask can all the women, what are your thoughts? I go, thanks, Vincenze Vaughn, you know? Well, Vincenze, Vincenze, I know a little bit too, and Vincenze, it's also helpful that you're six, five in handsome. Yeah, extremely. Yeah, he's a good looking guy. But he's also a guy who never was a womanizer. He never was, he never, he was out

Starting point is 00:16:40 to hang with his boys. He was driving a cutlass, a cutlass at the height of his, you know, powers. That guy was the winner. He was never a womanizer. No, I mean, I know, from what I know, you know, he was never that guy who was out. I mean, he could find, he'd find a girl in his, in his glove compartment.

Starting point is 00:16:59 They were hiding everything. My friends had done movies with him and they're like, dude, it's crazy. But he never was, he wasn't that guy. He was just, was more about hanging with his boys. Yeah, that's why they like a man Manch was the a manch. He's a manch. Yeah, he's a man. Yeah great guy He's a great guy. So he so he asked him a question. He says so He says hey Vince you'd be surprised what all the girls are saying is the most biggest turn on for them He says what's that humor? He says yep getting them to laugh. He said we we can get them. So with humor, you can get into so many different things.

Starting point is 00:17:27 It's insane, because Vinnie's like, how do you think I can lay that here? Yeah, by the way, I'm not rich. I'm not movies, but it's just something where, and it's weird, I mean, I've seen the hottest, hottest girls that are just like, what's some dude? He's like, he makes me laugh. Well, think about, think about the times,

Starting point is 00:17:44 the friendships you have and the things you hold onto, the guys you call you've known for 20 years. What is the connective tissue? It's the times you were laughing, man. It's the times you were just, you know, it's like that George Carlin thing too. It's like there are times you feel the most alive and you almost forget your human.

Starting point is 00:18:04 One is inspiration, right? It's like George are times you feel the most alive and you almost forget your human. One is inspiration, right? Like George Carlin said, don't worry about the number of breaths you take, how many breaths, how many breaths are taken away from you? How often are you moving through? That's right. It's so true because that would mean that sort of that moment of inspiration.

Starting point is 00:18:19 You hear an amazing piece of music, you see an amazing movie. You are having this moment with your friends where you would rather be nowhere else, or it's a moment with a woman where you'd like, I love this, whatever those moments are, you forget your human. So it's like laughter, laughter is intimacy, man, laughter. If I'm not laughing or learning, get me out of there,

Starting point is 00:18:41 but like I'll see you later, I got kids, you know. Yeah, dude, I'm, we're so of there. Like, I'll see you later. I got kids, you know. Dude, we're so lined there. I mean, it's you, you've ever been in a, you're shooting the shit with friends, you're at the house, you're smoking cigars, you're at a bar, wherever you are. And then all of a sudden you're looking out your watch,

Starting point is 00:18:57 you're like, it's 2.30 in the morning. Exactly. What the hell just have? Great conversations, great laughter. It's an unbelievable high. And ad food, ad great food. Oh, that's an unbelievable high and ad food ad great. That's a mandatory. I'm sorry. I forgive me for forgetting that because without the food. My cousin not to cook up yesterday. I'm playing on Twitch called duty. I stream

Starting point is 00:19:14 with Eric Griffin, right? So we're playing and my cousin's like, wait, you're tomorrow with Brian Callan. He goes, bro, please tell him because he had this moment with you and I was there with him. I forgot where you were in that lay either. Brea or somewhere, and I was featuring or opening for you. Bro, he goes, Vinnie, tell him that Kevin Spacey bit that he did. He goes, I couldn't, and I remember this, my cousin's bald dude, he turned beat red. He couldn't breathe in at the run out of, and run out of the Brea improv, cuz he did.

Starting point is 00:19:39 I just shot that, I just shot my special, my first specialist, he, he, that moment that you had to talk about Patrick, it was the, I can't, I'm not gonna give it away, cuz it. He, he, that moment that you're gonna plug him up, Patrick, it was the, I, I can't, I'm like, I'm gonna give it away because it's gonna come on the metal. Come to the show tonight. So, I got to show tonight, show tomorrow. West Palm, improv, it's a drive, but I'm, I'm,

Starting point is 00:19:53 if you don't like laughing hard for an hour and 10 minutes, I get it. No, I get it. No, you don't like laughing, I have a good time, this isn't for you. My features are killers too. And Brian's one of the few that I, I, as a comedian, I don't sit in a room and watch. I just don't do it. I don't know. I just can't. It's weird.

Starting point is 00:20:10 But when people like sit, sit in the front with us. I can't do it. But this cat watching you live, it's, it's like you're having fun. It's like we're just in a room and you're just bullshit. Let me, let me ask you questions. So all you, all of you have been, you were a comedian. you tried in Colorado, you stepped over into business, you're still comedian and you're obviously still a performance as well.

Starting point is 00:20:32 So what is the difference between today, because you've been in it with 90s, 2000, 2010s, now 2020s, like I think about a Justin Bieber, right? How the guy found Justin Bieber? Usher sisters, like, oh, look at this guy. Oh, my God, this guy's kids playing. So, you know, all of them was pretty sick. What if there was no Uber?

Starting point is 00:20:49 Would we have a Justin Bieber that we have today? I don't know. You see how back in the days, what is the group don't stop believing? That's, is that journey? Journey, journey. They find a Filipino guy that comes and becomes a lead. So, when you see some guys,

Starting point is 00:21:05 is there a lot of stories of people that just pop up and oh, they chose to become a comedian, they got a big following, you're gonna have later their comedians, they're getting specials, is that what's happening today or was that not the way it was 20, 30 years ago? Yeah, that's a very good question.

Starting point is 00:21:20 When I came up, there was no social media. So, you were always thrown into a room, and it was in Boston, it was in New York, it was in Kansas, it was in LA, it was in Bakersfield, wherever it was. I the whole random. Now here was the difference. They were strangers who didn't know you. And oh, by the way, they didn't share a common sensibility. I can do stand-up

Starting point is 00:21:46 now in Mumbai or Bombay, and they're going to get the jokes that they get in Los Angeles because the internet has brought us together. There is this sort of collective consciousness, this neural net, if you will, that we all tap into. Not so coming up. So most of my career, most of Bill Burr's, Rogan's, all of the older guys were, were we came up in Boston, Pittsburgh with a bunch of working class dudes going, I don't know you, I work for a living, make me laugh. And it got quiet quick if you didn't bring the money. If you didn't bring the money and you were doing your esoteric stuff. That's so good. If you were up in Canada and then you came down to Miami, I promised you it's a different group.

Starting point is 00:22:27 And if you're up there doing your stuff now, now what's happened is you can curate your own audience. You have people that have been listening to you on a podcast forever. So you have your fans are there and they're, it's like your family. They're already laughing because they just just wanna have an experience with you. But the pressure is not the same. So I think in many ways, I'll take heed for this, but I think in many ways, that's not so good for comedy.

Starting point is 00:22:54 I agree with you, 100%. It's the ludic, because now I think I told Patrick earlier, if you just make a TikTok video and you have millions of followers, like you said, they'll come watch you, they'll pay the ticket, you'll fill up a theater. Yes. And it's not, it's the looted comic to me.

Starting point is 00:23:09 By this and me, and I hate when people go, oh, you're hating or the hustle. I didn't say none of that shit. What I'm saying is, he came up before me, but like, you have to go to these rooms and you have to feel like it was word of mouth. Like, you became dope because people talk about you around the country. Youasimedia, right?

Starting point is 00:23:26 That's what's going on. You go into the radio tour in the morning. All of us did. No, I'm okay. Who you were. And also nobody was making money. You got to remember, now comics are making money.

Starting point is 00:23:35 So, so let me ask you to make money back. Today, who is a, like a real, real OG comedian, even if you were to take out social media. So take out, they have no problem. Okay, so Bill is one. I can listen a bit all day long. Sebastian Manascalco. We had a month last year at the event.

Starting point is 00:23:51 He was a freaking amazing. Dov Davidov doesn't do comedy as much anymore, but a monster beast. Sam Tripoli, you know, people don't know what a monster. You can put Sam Tripoli up anywhere, anytime. He'll do an hour and then do a whole new hour. And he can do the most defensive shit or the greatest stuff.

Starting point is 00:24:09 He just chooses. You know, there are guys like that that do a lot of things. Do a lot of things. But stand up. Well, Sam is gone. Yeah, but there's so many guys. Vinnie's phenomenal.

Starting point is 00:24:17 Have you seen, I mean, there are a lot of guys who are just, who can get up there and crush a room and anywhere it is. So I was, if I had known Vinnie was here, I know that I could take Vinnie and put him up anywhere in the country. Thank you, boy. And he's gonna take 30 minutes and crush that room.

Starting point is 00:24:33 I can tell you who he is, because he came up the right way. So, you know, but any of the old guys, Rogan, you know, Joe's, Joe was doing, Joe was, see, people don't realize this either. And I've known Joe's, I was 28, I'm 27. Joe was crushing, you've never seen anyone, and I'm gonna say, you've never seen anyone crush a room

Starting point is 00:24:55 like he did when he was 28, 29, 30, 31, 32. He would get up anywhere, I don't care if it was Mars. And that dude, he had a bit about two tigers having sex Dude I can't even it would it would bring the house down. It would bring the house down He would melt it good luck following him. Yeah, good luck. I don't care who I saw the biggest commissary world Try to follow that it was like on the oxygen's gone guys the oxygen I watched him in Jacksonville. He invited me.

Starting point is 00:25:26 I went up there in Jacksonville and listened to him. I felt like I had an ab workout at the fair. I mean, I was like, and that's now, but back then, he was just doing, now he's trying to say things. Now it's like, there's a through line, there's a theme back then. It was just, I'm gonna, that's all we,

Starting point is 00:25:41 so we would get up and it was just all it was was, I wanna see if I can, this is when you knew you were killing it. If you could do an hour and a 15 minutes and nobody got up to go to the bathroom, that's when you get a crush. That's you. That for me, that's my, that's still my brawmer.

Starting point is 00:25:55 Like I'm looking, I'm going, if I can keep these dudes, if I can kill these guys for that long without any, and then you know you did your job because when you're done, they stay all wrong. No bathroom breaks, that's the thing. That's when you're doing your they stay all wrong. No, they don't want to miss anything. That's when you're doing. Let me ask you though, because I had Mark Norman here on my back.

Starting point is 00:26:09 Mark's great. But now again, Mark is a real comic. And Mark was not on social media. Mark is a guy who came up doing five sets of night in New York City. Yes. And that's my question is because I even asked him. Chris Stefano, he's been on Rogan multiple times Mark Norman, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:24 And I said, like, would you want what Rogan's got? I don't want all that drama. I don't want a hundred million bucks. I just want to do comedy. That's all I just want to be a comedian. Yeah. But we talked about basically, you know, the gallons of the world, the rogans of the world have been doing comedy professionally

Starting point is 00:26:36 for 20 plus years, pre-social media, and basically kind of like the TikTokers of the world. And I think this guy's funny Trevor Wallace, but like, you know, basically tiktok, Instagram influencers, and ultimately my question is the barrier to entry. The barrier to entry was so freaking great when you started.

Starting point is 00:26:56 You had to compete and compete and be the best comedian in your city and you're sitting in the government. Now the barrier to entry is, you can edit and do a video. I don't care. That never bothers me. I love that people are only make money now and stuff I never worry about that stuff. It's like for me. It's like boxing. Okay, you're fighting, okay? You might hit myths really well, dude That's good. You might even jump around a gym with a bunch of non-boxers and you're okay

Starting point is 00:27:20 You go to a boxing the boxers who are in it, boxers or MMA guys who spar and who are at the top of the game, who can adjust. Hey, that has to be earned. You got to do it wrong for a long time before you do it right. They know it and everybody else around them knows it. You know, it's like, whoever, like that's why Eddie Herne all do respect to Jake. Paul. I respect him. I think this kid is actually, I mean, you can, you, you can criticize him all you want. He and his brother are hard working guys. They work really hard. And it, hey, they're putting themselves in there. You get in the ring and stuff. Now, now, Jake, I promise you in, and knows, that's why when he has his conversations with Eddie, Eddie's like, I got guys that are like,

Starting point is 00:28:08 yeah, well, okay, yeah, because those guys have been throwing the right hands since they were seven. Yeah. You know, so there are no shortcuts in life. There are no shortcuts in life. That's, that's, if I write a self-help book, please buy it, it's gonna be probably one pick.

Starting point is 00:28:21 It's gonna be one pick. It's gonna say, it takes forever. It takes forever. You know, I'll see you in 20 years. I'm going to be one pick. It's going to say it takes forever. It takes forever. You know, I'll see you in 20 years. I'm going to copy, buying, and do it every day. It's true though. I mean, it's true when you think about that. But today, what's, again, I don't know if it's the same as it was before. Did comedians have as much influence as they do today, 30 years ago? Because of social media, has a comedian now had more influence than they, 30 years ago. Because of social media, has a comedian now have more influence than they did 30 years ago.

Starting point is 00:28:49 So go back 30 years ago, who was the face 30 years ago? Who was the, okay, Eddie Murphy? George Carla and George Carla, George Carla is my favorite. George Carla, me too. And he pretty fast, yeah, he's such a rich, rich, rich, rich, rich, rich, rich, rich, rich, so would you say they had the same amount of influence

Starting point is 00:29:02 if not more than today or is today's top, like take today, Shepel. Does Shepel have more influence today than Eddie Murphy at in the 90s? I do think he does because, but again, entertainment has been so atomized. I mean, social media is about getting your attention. There are so many different avenues.

Starting point is 00:29:24 You're competing with so many different ways to. And I think that, think about this for a second. Like music, let's just take music. Music has become more of a consumption. It's become something that you would digest. You listen to while you're driving, and then you're waiting for the next tune. It's, so now you've got Doja Cat,

Starting point is 00:29:45 you've got these different people that have, you know. Good for you knowing the hits. Yeah, yeah, I'm young. But I don't know that any musical group, maybe Kanye isn't exception, I don't know, but the influence or the impact something like Led Zeppelin had or Lenny Bruce had or George Carlin had when the collective mind was focused on four channels. There wasn't that much expression. You had to also earn, you had to earn so much of the experience.

Starting point is 00:30:25 You had to wait for that right time, turn the TV on, you couldn't miss it. Hurry up, hurry up, it's starting, you know, it was that, it was that thing. There was no recording or anything. So when you watched it, you got to watch it once usually and it had such an impact on you. What's the, what's the, Tyler, what is that art, do we read that article a couple months ago or maybe I read this where it said, as popular as Tucker is today, 50 years ago, there was a personality in US that had 75 million listeners

Starting point is 00:30:56 on a daily basis, because there was only four channels. Did we get an article or no? I don't think it was on here. I'll give you an example of myself. In 2001, I was doing a TV show. I think it was 2000, 2000, 2001, whatever it was. And in such words, when I was doing the Goldbergs, that was a hit for ABC, from the biggest show

Starting point is 00:31:15 on ABC, I think maybe six million people would listen, watch it. That was their number one, I think. I think it was. The Goldbergs with Jeff. So yeah, that was six million people, okay? I did that show for almost seven years. Then I did a spin off with my character

Starting point is 00:31:29 and we probably got five and a half, six million people. That was a big deal. That was a hit, right? When I did in 2001 or two, I did a show called Inside Schwartz which was getting, I think, 15 million, 15.5 million people to watch, maybe more, we got canceled because it wasn't enough. Yeah, right?

Starting point is 00:31:50 Wow. So that's 15 million? Oh, yeah, dude. Because friends and willing grace were getting, you know, 25, 30. So it just wasn't enough for the network. They were like, oh, no, we got other shows. So that's how we were so focused on one thing. And that's the, that's the biggest challenge I think in many ways for us as a society. Even think about how Christianity in the United States

Starting point is 00:32:17 was almost like the focal point of our ethics, our morality, our justice system, the way we were related to each other, in God we trust, you said prayers in school, that was never controversial, even though there was this notion of separation of church and state, it was still a Christian nation, quote unquote, try saying that now.

Starting point is 00:32:37 So now there's no fixed point of truth, I think. There's no fixed point of attention. And that comes with great things, but also its own challenge. So to pass question, I think. That was a long way, I think there's no fixed point of attention. And that comes with great things, but also its own challenge. So to pass question, I think. That was a long way, I think. No, I think you're saying that basically 30 years ago, the top comedian or the top voice

Starting point is 00:32:53 or the weather that's still Walter Cronkite to the world did have a bigger voice. I mean, think about it. In the 90s, how honored would you be to go on Johnny Carson? Oh my God, did you ever go on, it would change your whole life over and over. Yeah, I did later, man. Over and over, no dude. If you go on Jimmy Kimmel today, god. Did you ever go on? It would change your whole life over and over. I did Letterman overnight, dude. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:07 If you go on Jimmy Kimmel today, does anyone give to? No, no, no, no, no. It does nothing for your point. That's the point. Yeah, but I do think that having said that, the world is also pretty polarized. So it might be atomized, but it's also polar,

Starting point is 00:33:20 we got teams, man. We got Wocaston, we got Trumpistan, and then we got a lot of us in the middle who are kind of like, hey, dude, I'm not with this insane. This gender Nazis, I don't even know what they're talking about. I just want to, I believe in the free market. I like to own my guns, but I don't want spree shooters. We, you know, most of us are kind of like trying to get life.

Starting point is 00:33:40 And I think when you have a guy like Dave Chappelle, who comes along and says, Hey, man, I'm all for equality, I'm a black guy, I get it. You guys are crazy. And then you've got a small pocket of those people who are like, they're not interested in equality. They're just like, how dare you?

Starting point is 00:34:00 And everything else. You know, so it may seem like he's, but he has influence. He's who we're talking about. Why? Because he took on the transgender thing, right? So it's a tougher to compete today than or then because the way I see it is, it was a monopoly back then because back then it had a lot to do with who you knew.

Starting point is 00:34:18 Like you have to kiss a lot of ass to move up back then. Today, it's so noisy to probably make it today's gotta be, it's a different kind of a heart. I guess the hard back then was connection. The hard today is, if you're not good, you ain't gonna last too long, if you're not good. If you're good and you put into work, eventually the market's gonna, you know, pick you up. Yeah, some's going to happen. Well, there's that cult of the amateur, right? What I like about today, actually, though, with social media is that you've got a lot of comics from all over the world, man. You got a lot of brown comics. You got killers coming out of the Middle East, killers coming out of India, killers coming out of Pakistan.

Starting point is 00:35:03 My one of the guys is going to open for me, who's going to do a guest spot is from Pakistan, killer. And there is a whole artistic movement coming out of that part of the world. And they don't have to speak, they can speak Urdu, they can speak Hindu, they don't have to speak English. And they have a massive audience and they're crushing it. And then some of them, you know, their parents went to England and they're coming in and just taken some of them, you know, their parents went to England

Starting point is 00:35:25 and they're coming in and just taken over. So it's competitive, bro. You're competing with the world, dude. Big time. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but tainted because they're not, dude, it's awful what you said. To get another one of you, or Joe Rogan, or one of these big names, I don't see unless they're going to come like diamond in the rough and because they're just putting out special special special. His body, what's his name?

Starting point is 00:35:59 Marcelo Hernandez. Marcelo Hernandez, 20, what is he? 23, 24. Oh, we saw him, right? Yeah. Yeah. Marcelo Hernandez. Marcelo Hernandez, 20, what is he, 23, 24? Oh, we saw him, right? Yeah, nice guy. He's got a super talented. He's a super talented and witty. I think he opens for Tim Dillon.

Starting point is 00:36:12 Oh great. Yeah, Patrick, listen, a lot of times we might be talking like all guys. You know, let me tell you something, when you get to a certain age, you get over 40, what you start doing inevitably is we go, you know, these young guys, they just don't come up the way we did it.

Starting point is 00:36:25 They're not grounded. And I think that's been a phenomenon since, I had a history teacher who read, the lament of an older man about these kids who are materialistic, don't know the meaning of hard work. It was a guy in ancient Rome talking about the youth of, and it was such an eye opener I went.

Starting point is 00:36:43 Dude, I'm falling into this trap, right? So I think to your point, I'm glad you brought it up, is great artists, people who are intelligent, who have an original way of looking at things that hold your attention, they'll always be there. And that's what's beautiful about staying up. The idea is, how you opened it up when you said, everybody thinks they're special,

Starting point is 00:37:06 but you know, we're just regular people and then I said to you, there's some people that think they're really special, right? So this thing right here is yours, right? Nobody else has got this, this is yours. This, maybe you can change it nowadays to look like whoever you wanna look like because you know, advancement is solid.

Starting point is 00:37:23 But this is you, right? So a kid who's coming up was like, dude, you have no idea how bad I want the world to know what I, I'm special. There's something different about me and everybody else. Did that energy, if it's real for that person, and it's that important, the world is eventually somehow,

Starting point is 00:37:41 someone gonna hear about who this guy is, or this guy is, somehow, some wait the next great ones around the corner. We have no clue they are. I just wonder if the world, I'm fascinated by Cam. My whole family, we grew up. I was one of the biggest pranksters in the army. Some of the pranks I've pulled till today, they talk about.

Starting point is 00:37:58 Were you in the army? I was in the army, man. We were like, the pranks I I pulled 80% of them are inappropriate. I mean, someone's going to one day tell these pranks that I did. Here you can. So it's coming. It's coming. It's the highest level.

Starting point is 00:38:11 Like if some of this stuff was just terrible. But back then, it's just like, listen, you're in the army. You're doing what you're doing because they did it to you. Now you're doing it back to the new guys that are coming. I grew up in a family middle eastern Armenian, Assyrian sarcasm, jokes, shots. If you couldn't handle being a bit David or Behosian, you change your last name to Middle Eastern Armenian, Assyrian, sarcasm, joke, shots. If you couldn't handle being a bad David or a Bohusian, you changed your last name to something else.

Starting point is 00:38:30 Bad David was a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, a crew. So guys were like, hey, can I go party with you guys? Nashville, I'm gonna go to connections. I wanna go to mixed factories. I was like, dude, I'm telling you, I don't think you can hang with us, right? And then they would come and hang, and say, oh my God, you guys are ruthless.

Starting point is 00:38:54 Yeah, that's kind of how we grow up. I grew up in LA, I grew up in Glendale. I grew up in Glendale, went to Glendale High School, and then went to the army and came back. But you speak fluent army. I speak fluent Armenian. And the Syrian. And the Syrian.

Starting point is 00:39:08 And the Syrian. That's crazy. And German. Yeah, I speak a few languages. I'll break out the Old Testament right now. So by the way, you know the passion of the Christ when you watch and we actually understand what they're saying because we speak Arabic. Error man.

Starting point is 00:39:21 When we hired as a dialect coach, she was a female. Dude, I didn't have to... You understand, I'll help you. You speak Syrian fluently. By the way, he speaks better than I do. No, every time. Exactly. I've just heard the first language. Yeah. But by the way, why are you still in LA? You're like the last of the Mojican.

Starting point is 00:39:48 I'm the last of the Mojican. I'm the last of the Mojican. Well, because I'm hoping for Larry Elder for something to turn around. I am, dude. I am. I want to say I just come over now. I'm so done with this.

Starting point is 00:39:59 But I, you know what, man, I got my kids, my ex and my children for my first marriage are there. So I can't, yeah, I can my first marriage are there so I can't yeah I can't stop. I can't it. There's no way but if that wasn't the case I'd be Okay, so if that wasn't the case me a shop would have been like see shop two Dude I will I looked at property in Nashville and in Austin. I looked at it But you know you look that Nashville Yeah, Rogan still calls me every say get lost and I'm like I got kids. I'm not gonna you know you five

Starting point is 00:40:25 But I tell you let me tell you my opinion my opinion. I don't want the Austin community to get upset at me I think both Austin and Nashville is a pit stop I'm gonna explain to you why this is purely coming from my own case study because my pit stop was Dallas Sure, so I lived in Dallas for five years and I said listen. This is a great place. No taxes. They love hard workers They love capitalism play no people work the most hours per week so they're workers Yeah, they're not people that want to leave at 4.59 community They're you know, they're willing to do the job. I'm three hours. I'm like this is it babe. We're gonna stay here How about the fifth year? You're like, you know, I'm you know this we'm like, this is it, babe, we're going to stay here. How about the fifth year you're like, you know what I'm, you know, this, we kind of like this place

Starting point is 00:41:08 called breakers and we kind of like LA and we kind of like what Texas offers. And if Texas and LA had a baby, it'd be Florida. You know what? Why don't we just move to Florida? So I think Nashville and Austin, I think is a pit stop. And I think it's about three to five years to that pit stop. My favorite, my favorite audience. Yeah. And in many ways, my favorite place in the world is Miami. Really? Yeah, because all I want to be at the end of the day is Cuban. For at least, at least, I mean, I know. I am, I have a fiance, but yeah, that's the only thing.

Starting point is 00:41:41 I'm actually, I mean, I'm just shocked that you said your favorite on this is or Miami because they can't pay attention to a friend of my favorite. They want to worry about the club and go partying and talking about it. But it's exactly what he loves it. Where you talk shit to them?

Starting point is 00:41:54 What do you do? This is me. I'm this is the Spanish dancer. I'm salsa right now. Let me play something. That they have a secret. And by the way, yeah, I mean, if you want, I human, Venezuela, Colombian, the women, not that I look and I look, I have a girl guy,

Starting point is 00:42:13 but he's still, but it's actually, it's dangerous. It's out control. And Brian has a bit where you want to be like a, like a Latin dance coach. I want to say, I dance. And I'm like, ask me what I do. I dance. And Brian, what do you do for a little bit? I dance. I want to say I dance. Ask me what I do. I dance. Ask me where I'm from. I'm going to be a romantic. Well, where are you from? Just out of your eyes. I'm from the mountains, my friend. I'm always spain. Spain? Lots of different places, but spain is my heart. I dance

Starting point is 00:42:40 with my heart. So you're getting paid to just want to that guy. I just wanna say romantic shit all the time. So you gotta play movie where he can do that one. I wish. But so LA, you're probably gonna be there for a few years. You don't see yourself leaving anytime soon. I, you know, look, I live close to the beach. I live in a really cool part of LA. Where you at?

Starting point is 00:43:00 I'm in that beach. Okay, yeah, that's, that's what we're, that's what our front centers are. That's right. Yeah, that's not really California though. Correct. By the way, we just came back from LA. We were there, well, I mean, at least when we went together, the first time we were there in 2020, COVID lockdown, it was a shit show.

Starting point is 00:43:15 And we just went back and we were like, and Mario was like, let's go to Venice and see what's going on. How shocked were you? How nice it was. Oh, it's great. I was I was we were expecting homeless people. No, when was this one of this has during during the COVID was worse, but now yeah, I own a house in Venice. Yeah, and it's I'm holding on to it because it's what church what turned around in LA because it's better than it was because the sheriff's department, okay, went down and they were doing a live news conference and the

Starting point is 00:43:44 woman almost got knifed by somebody. You would see naked people. These people are the homeless situation, the narrative from the left is that it's a housing problem and it's an inequality problem. They are liars. They're liars. It's an ideology they hold onto and they're not interested in solving the problem. Sorry. Go to Sacramento and tell them that it's a mental health and drug addiction problem. Is that what it is? And it is.

Starting point is 00:44:14 And when COVID hit, those services kind of evaporated for a lot of people. And that's why you had so many people on the street. So the idea that it's a housing problem and it's inequality is not only a lie, it's a malicious lie because it doesn't do anything for those people who really do need help. They need help. A lot of these people are schizophrenic. They have serious mental health problems that are beyond their control. And I think it was Adam Corolla who said,

Starting point is 00:44:40 if there were a bunch of stray dogs on the street in Los Angeles, believe me, we'd do something about that. 1000%. But these are people. So whatever. And I'm sorry, but if you look at the blue estates, they have the worst homeless. They have the worst, they have the most progressive tax policies. They have the worst homeless inequality problems,

Starting point is 00:44:58 because they're not really willing to take it on. To go to San Francisco and tell me how that's working out. So it's going to do with their DA and all those, all those those essentially those Marxists in power and they turn it around because it's a You see a man who's running for mayor of LA Karrusa are you following that story or no? Yes, and I and I seems pretty cool. Oh, he's made he's made the world work So could this tough on crime billionaire be a la next man? With the resources great thing So this happened into fears of crime, Los Angeles frustration.

Starting point is 00:45:25 Can you make that a little bit bigger? Homelessness, billionaire real estate developer has spent more than $23 million on his campaign to become a L.A.'s next tough on crime mayor and experts say his record breaking investment is buying him a real chance at victory. Wow, interesting. He's because people after a while,

Starting point is 00:45:41 every society after a while looks around and says, this isn't working, man. This is not working. It just doesn't, and especially when you're paying that much tax and what are you spending it on? Yeah, I mean, like it helps people. I think a lot of more vets, a lot of those guys. What are you things gonna take for you,

Starting point is 00:46:00 for California to have a Republican governor? Well, we had a Republican governor. The issue isn a Republican governor. Well, we had a Republican governor. The issue isn't Republican governor. I think most of this politics is all local, right? So the larger question isn't focusing on the gubernatorial race and things like that. It's more about local politics. We have a democratic super majority.

Starting point is 00:46:22 I don't think a democratic super majority. I don't think a super majority of Republicans are anything that's good. You need pushback. You want there to be this argument, these checks, these balances. You want pushback on both sides. That's how government churns slowly and stays out of our business. There's an important distinction when you talk about big government versus small government. Big government is not, you have to be careful about how you define these things. Big government, go ahead. It's really a question of when that government gets involved in your individual liberties, in your ability to make money, use your own risk, your own ingenuity to make, you know, a profit, those kinds of things. When a government bureaucrat comes along

Starting point is 00:47:05 and regardless of the science, as you still have to be in a mask, and my children still have to be in a mask, I have a problem with that. You're actually interfering in my child's well-being because you have an ideology, you know? Whatever that might be, I'm using that as a hard example. I know that's a controversial issue,

Starting point is 00:47:22 but I think we have to be very careful about how we draw that distinction. In LA, what they need to worry about is, I think it's five women on the LA City Council who control a budget that's larger than, I think, all 40 other states, or in fact, it might be 40 states combined, they have a, they control a huge budget, and it's five of these women that, I'm sorry,

Starting point is 00:47:46 are, you know, I don't want the view. I want a mix, bro. I want a mix of people. It's not about, I'm not bashing women. It's about, you know, I just want a mix of people. I'd like, hey, you know who I want controlling the budget? People that have made a business work. The other problem is that, they don't want to run though.

Starting point is 00:48:03 Those guys, like the fact that Kru Kurosos running a lot of times, I said this the other day, I said, you know, why is it that people who would make great statesmen that make great senators, congressmen, governors, president have no desire to run? And those who shouldn't are so motivated to run. I know because it's two different personality types. I think that there's the person that's the,

Starting point is 00:48:27 hall monitor, and then there's the person to it. It's a hall monitor guy's running the thing. Well, think about it for a second. We need economists. Fantastic. We need think-tank people. We need, but when you're an economist, you're not paying a price for being wrong.

Starting point is 00:48:40 When you're an entrepreneur, you pay a price for being wrong. You adjusted the price of pain. This is what, you know, I think it was the book, the hell is called Not Blacks One, but the other book, Skin of the Game. Well, well, well, kind of great book. Great book, because it's so true. I think you're going to learn more about how the economy actually works from an entrepreneur. I'm not saying economists like Paul Krugman, etc. don't have their place, but they can say whatever they want and they can push sort of an idea. Their hands aren't that dirty. I'd like to see some calluses on your hands.

Starting point is 00:49:16 You know what I'm saying? So if politicians, let's just say, Nusum is a hall pass guy. What's Trump? If Nusum's asking for the hall pass, who's trump if doosom's uh... asking for the hall pass hall who would trump be uh... trump is the wrecking ball and trump's just the giant r&st guy comes in and goes chess and he just wrote that's rock and roll you know trump is my my buddy it was caddy for clinton trump

Starting point is 00:49:42 obama and bush caddy and caddy is he learned a lot of caddy like that a lot of this is a lot of Clinton, Trump, Obama, and Bush. And Katty, you learn a lot of Katting like that. So this is a lot of insider. Five hours. Where was this? Where was this in Florida? My buddy Cameron Booth, yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:52 In Florida. Yeah, Katty for Jordan, he was on the tour, great guy, and a hell of a golfer. And he's not a political guy, but he said, he said, the best golfer is Trump. And the one guy you'd wanna have a beer with at the end of the day is Trump. Like, say what you will about him.

Starting point is 00:50:10 I think the problem with Trump is that he's just such a narcissist. He's such a Trumpist night, and he just loves himself so much. And he grates on people. He's probably a bit of a con man, I'm sorry. But you gotta admit, the man's funny, the man cracks me up and he does have some good ideas when it comes to the economy. 100%. So I think where we follow the mark is when we go,

Starting point is 00:50:34 he's a, in LA, you can't even have this conversation. If I even say, Trump's, yeah, I don't like Trump, but if I even have a small caveat that there are some things, you get attacked. Performance in LA, you can't say things like I do I have I have I have and do you really feel it though? I trust when you feel it I I did something where I was like I feel bad for because I know I go where my Trump supporters That that was I opened with that so the energy was already went to shit Yeah, I was like come on there's and then it was almost like, like they were scared, like two or three, I go, I go, don't be scared of these assholes.

Starting point is 00:51:07 I go, where are you? It was such an awkward, and then I got off stage, and the GM and somehow was like, hey, you shouldn't, I don't think you should, you should take that out of your, I go, what? I joke that I wanted to. You could say the N word and get away with it faster than you could say.

Starting point is 00:51:20 I'm not joking, it's like California. Oh, it's 100%. I'm 100%. But then we go deeper on that. Obviously, they don't like Trump, but I'm not joking. It's like California and LA. It's 100%. But go deeper on that. Obviously, they don't like Trump. Okay, but why is it, is you just can't bring it up? It's part of the insulating culture there. What does it do?

Starting point is 00:51:34 I think Trump is a really very, I, very polarizing figure. I think the way he speaks and I, I, I think he was, he's definitely not very presidential, right? I think that what the Democrats and the left made a mistake about is that they didn't realize that most Americans are not voting for Trump because they're racist, misogynist, and all that other stuff.

Starting point is 00:52:00 They're voting for a guy because after eight years with a Democratic president, etc. They had, they still only had $500 in the bank. And that's what matters to most Americans. I want to be able to send my kid to baseball after school. I want my daughter to be able to take ballet lessons. I don't want to have to make a decision between milk and ballet. And if you don't understand that that's the case with most Americans, then you aren't

Starting point is 00:52:26 around most Americans. And for me, you know, what I notice again is that, and I'm not saying the left doesn't have ideas. I'm not saying that a lot of people on the left or people who tend to be Democrats don't have, aren't good people, don't have good ideas, aren't part of the mix, aren't necessary for certain things in society. We need each other. I notice that the people that are making a lot of the decisions, the people that come from a very expensive unit, a very privileged background, a family that's well connected with a lot of money,

Starting point is 00:53:00 step into a very expensive school with very expensive walls that you can't get into. And then they go directly into a newsroom back into academia or right into politics or into Hollywood. What does that mean? They haven't come into contact with objective reality enough. They just haven't. And I promise you, I promise you that most of them have never had a plumber, a landscaper, someone in the military, or anybody that works with their hands, at their dinner table. They are not, it's not, because they don't want those people there,

Starting point is 00:53:35 they just don't come into contact with them. The people of color they talk about, the people that actually need help, I promise you, they don't know. And again, I'm not, they don't know. And again, I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm just saying it's what happens. We get very segregated.

Starting point is 00:53:52 And we are, you know, you fall into a class substructure and you stay there, man. You do. And they have compassion. They probably have guilt. They want to make a difference in the world. And they start studying inequality. And they start seeing these things. And you have an echo chamber in these academic institutions and Nobody is pushing back. There are no conservative thinkers. They're just aren't there are no

Starting point is 00:54:15 There are no real capitalists because that's not who gets into academia look at look at the difference between what happened with John Stewart and Bill Marre You go back five years ago. Who's who's God between the two? That's a great. That happened with John Stewart and Bill Mar. You go back five years ago, who's God between the two? That's a great, that's a John Stewart. That's a great character. Look what John, so John still wants to be invited to the same parties with Obama, still wants to be invited to the same parties with Hollywood, whatever it is. And Bill Mar is like, no, no, this is who I am. And listen, if you like me, because because I talk shit to everybody on both sides,

Starting point is 00:54:45 and this is what my comedy is, and look how much Bill Maar has changed. Well, just speaking of? He's saying, we all agree. It's true, but what you're talking about is very hard to do for a lot of people. You know, it's very hard to do because he's like, oh my gosh, but what if this happens,

Starting point is 00:55:03 and what if that happens? No, sometimes you gotta sit there and say, I don't know if I agree. Like, okay, so Kellyanne Conway is on the view. I don't know if you saw that or not. She's on the view and they started booing her and then whoopies trying to play the role of, hey, you know, we're equal all this.

Starting point is 00:55:17 I'm saying, hey, I don't care if you agree. Let her finish her thought. And then she says, you know, something about Trump. I told Trump and Trump responded, it's hilarious. He says, while the first team, Trump, debunked, former president Donald Trump on Thursday morning, personally, lashed out at Kelly and Conway over her new memoir.

Starting point is 00:55:36 Here's a deal in which she recalled telling the ex-president that he definitely lost a 2020 election. While the first term president Trump rebuke in Conway in her book this week, via via spokesperson the latest lashing was posted on Trump himself in the truth Social platform. He says Kellyanne Conway never told me that she thought we lost the election if she had I wouldn't have dealt with her any longer. She would have been wrong could go back to her crazy husband Yeah, the problem with Trump is the minute you with the minute push back, the minute you push back, he's like, I don't like it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:09 And it's just his loyalty lasts as long as you you consider him. God. Yeah. So listen. So this was his most. Let me tell you that even she will go under that. Let me put it to this way. Let me put it to this way. I'm not wrong. But to me,yanne Conway is Tucker from Milwaukee Bucks when they traded him to Miami. Okay, you know what I'm saying? You need certain players. You need a dirty set as a big idiot.

Starting point is 00:56:32 She was fearless. Yeah, she was. If she, by the way, if he loses her, if he loses her, I'm telling you right now, it's gonna hurt his chances. If he loses Kellyanne Conway. I have that. You can't lose Kellyanne Conway. That's a good point. You cannot loses Kellyanne Conway. You can't lose Kellyanne Conway.

Starting point is 00:56:45 That's a good point. You cannot lose Kellyanne Conway. It's like, it's got guts. Yeah, you, there's, you cannot lose Kellyanne Conway, but at the same time, man, you look at Trump to respond to me. Do you like Trump? Are you worried that he's gonna split the ticket if I have to choose between him and his...

Starting point is 00:57:01 The sentence in Trump. Oh, no, the sentence is not running against Trump. I know that because I know that. The Santhus is not running. The Santhus was in our community last Tuesday. They did a fundraiser last Tuesday in Bay colony. The Santhus is not running against Trump. Now, okay, I could be wrong.

Starting point is 00:57:15 Last minute things can change because apart of me, we talk about it where we say, you know, I think sometimes you think momentum's gonna be on your side all the time and I don't know if he's ever be on your side all the time. And I don't know if he's ever gonna peak like the way the centrist is peaking today. Because you peak when there's crisis and he's peaking. So it's not that high-pitched. That's the story. That's the challenge.

Starting point is 00:57:37 He runs against Trump. It's a tough one. It's a tough one because Trump's gonna play dirty and you have to go dirty as well yourself. And that's just gonna happen. So it's not gonna be a Trump the Santa's ticket. You see a lot of guys you're putting Trump the Santa's ticket. I think that is as unlikely as a Kobe and Jordan being on the same team.

Starting point is 00:57:53 It just doesn't make any team. It's like putting two big personalities on the same team try to run together. It's gonna be tough. You need some matter to be pipped and you need some matter to be the second person. Neither one of them are guys like that. So if it's against Biden,

Starting point is 00:58:08 if it's Biden being on the ticket, because right now what the left is struggling with is who they're gonna replace Biden with? What's their story going to be? How they gonna present it to the audience? The only way you can do it the right way is you have to come up with a health story in the next 12 months is probably what's gonna happen story in the next 12 months. It's probably what's

Starting point is 00:58:26 going to happen. In the next 12 months, Biden's going to come out and going to say, I went and had a test with the doctor and the doctors telling me I have a cyst or I have something and unfortunately we're trying to do our best. And if you hear stories like that, that is the narrative, which is kind of like the narrative of soft landing and saying, oh my gosh, you know, you know, he was president while he was dealing with cancer. What a, what a honorable man. And so then we're, the America's gonna get emotional and sentimental. Look, he was doing his best

Starting point is 00:58:55 while he was dealing with cancer. Some story like the, maybe his cancer replaced cancer where whatever else you want to replace it with. But they have to find a candidate. It ain't Kamala. Nobody likes Kamala. Not the left, not the right, not the middle. Nobody likes Kamala. And then let me just say this too, before I want to find a candidate. It ain't Kamala. Nobody likes Kamala. Not the left, not the right, not the middle Nobody likes Kamala. And let me just say this too before I want to hear you think this because I was saying that a lot of people on the left

Starting point is 00:59:11 Don't come into contact with object reality. It's the same thing with the right There are a lot of people on the right now who like you know who don't the people that are making decisions tend to be They're looked at by Americans as being very wealthy and out of touch as well, right? So, but keep going. I want to hear who you have. Yes. So who do you have? So think about what's left after that. So then you got to go to Pete Buttigieg, which is who they want to market. Kai, Pete Buttigieg. Pete, it's going to be very tough because of foreign policy. Oh, you'd be amazed how many people behind closed there are getting behind him. I think America is ready for a first husband. I'm being serious.

Starting point is 00:59:43 Yeah. I agree with you. Like it's like America's where we've come a first husband. I'm being serious. Yeah, I agree. It's like it's like America's where we've come a long way. But let me tell you something, Brian Gallon. I think we are ready for a gay president. Yeah. I just don't think we're ready to see him kissing his husband on TV for a man. Yeah. Again, gay president. I'm okay with that. Yeah. Walking down the, the Russian is going to be like, that's interesting. Oh, this is your guy. And the peg on a interesting. Oh, this is your gap. And then Pag going up with, Well, some say we've already had a gay president,

Starting point is 01:00:08 but that's a different story. Yeah, that's the whole thing. You were saying. And here's the thing, Brian, come on Patrick, the rumors, people like us that are like, listen, Trump with the policy wise, you can't deny it. Okay, and epistomial forget, well, my democratic cousins that are, you know,

Starting point is 01:00:21 pretty liberal, pretty kind of leaning left. This two years, you guys have had a chance to show us, you know what, the hell would Trump, you know, policies, the sides, whatever. Look how good we're doing. Look at what's happened in these two years. Now because of your guys' the sides' policies, you're giving him the easiest way right back in. So I don't want to hear the shit talking when he does win.

Starting point is 01:00:40 But I don't, I don't, I don't worry about Democrats and I don't worry about Republicans traditionally. Democrats and I don't worry about Republicans traditionally. Democrats and Republicans are no problem. You got both sides of the aisle. That's, it makes government move slowly. That's how the country was founded. I got no problem. Some people tended to lean more Democrat, more Republicans, maybe it's a personality type.

Starting point is 01:00:59 Do you see what he just put up? I put a smile on my face. Go back to the picture. While he's talking, you put a picture like then, you expect me to keep a straight face. That's so funny. Look what he just put up? I put a smile on my face. Go back to the picture. While he's talking, you put a picture like then, you expect me to keep a straight face. That's so funny. Look what he does. How am I supposed to keep a straight face?

Starting point is 01:01:11 No way. That is hilarious. At a real picture? No, I think that's cropped. That is not a real picture. That's cropped, but it's funny. Is it a real picture? No, it's not.

Starting point is 01:01:19 I was going to say. It's not that he's gay. It's that he takes three months off from a turn. But certainly, and we had a supply chain crisis by the way because that's a lot of believes it needs to be two years no way massacres but that's a lot of whom we'd love to have you back on the i believe that the the leave needs to be two years but who's gonna pay for it

Starting point is 01:01:38 exactly you're gonna pay for a lot more to pay for so go back to the you don't have probably the democrat you have probably a public and they're gonna You have prom with the Republican. They're going to fight the happy, happy, happy life. My issue is this far left woke agenda that has taken hold. They are, when you start talking about, when the New York Times runs 81 articles, I think, on gender neutral bathrooms, when the world's on fire. And this was back when, I think it was a couple of years ago. It's like, you're so out of touch with how Americans think.

Starting point is 01:02:05 You're so out of touch. When trans rights are trumping everything else, dude, you're talking about a very tiny, tiny minority of people that when you wanna take children and put them on puberty blockers because you're an expert in gender dysphoria. I don't know you're not, no you're not, and I don't agree. Let a child's brain develop, they go through phases.

Starting point is 01:02:31 These are common sense things. And when the left hijacks, when they start doing that, the far left starts doing that, and they drown out the reasonable voices, what happens is it creates a whole bunch of people on this side who go, want to go to war dude? You want to go to war we can do this. That's what I worry about. I worry that I really worry when I hear people over there talking about tearing down institutions and

Starting point is 01:02:58 characterizing the United States as only a patriarchy, a tyranny, a racist country, all those things, okay? We're a lot more than that. We are a lot more, just like a human being is. Center's saints and everything in between bipolar apes and so is a country where we're working progress, where we're working progress. This was called the grand experiment for a reason. It's still going on.

Starting point is 01:03:23 The Constitution is a verb, The United States is a verb. It's an idea that continues to evolve. But I think the Vatting Fathers solve the political problem. A little credit where it's due. The words you use, like feminism, individualism, universalism, humanism, all those words were invented by the people you're criticizing

Starting point is 01:03:42 and by a system you're criticizing. The first amendment, which you enjoy very much and saying what you want and screaming, was fought for. It was fought for with blood and it had to be fought for as an idea and it had to be one as an idea. All those things that we benefit from every day, you may be a socialist, I respect you, but you're also tweeting from your iPhone. So a little respect for the marketplace as well if you could, right?

Starting point is 01:04:05 Let's be, let's be aware of where we came from. Let's be aware of the kind of foundation that was laid for us before we got here, that we benefit from every single day. Because whether you know it or not, your anchor is in that bedrock. And thank God for it. Because the founding fathers, as far as I can sort of, solve the political problem. You know who didn't, the Greeks and everybody else. So there, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, you're talking about John Jay, you're talking

Starting point is 01:04:30 about genius. The federal's papers is one of the or the greatest idea in philosophy. I'm sorry it is. And why do I say that? Because we still live in the greatest country in the world. Because everybody has a chance. We still have potential. I need music when I'm talking.

Starting point is 01:04:47 God, God the way. I need air blowing my hair back. I mean, you should have been standing up with your hand on your heart. Listen, when you run it, it's a real question. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to run it. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to run it. I'm going to start going into a monologue.

Starting point is 01:05:01 It's like, I've got to become an actor. I get tired of my own voice. I was waiting for someone to stop. Right. The to become an actor. I get tired of my own voice. I was waiting for something to stop. Right, the American flag behind you waving. Right, love it. By the way, the speech, whatever that news that was. But am I wrong?

Starting point is 01:05:12 Am I wrong? Not at all. So my question is, what's your biggest issue with society today? Because it seems like you've got a bone to pick. Colorization. I'm afraid I worry that nobody can even agree on where the truth is coming from.

Starting point is 01:05:30 We never had that problem. That's new for me. And what I mean by that is back in the day, I could go, I heard it on the news, bro. And we go, well, the news is vetted. I trust the news. Oh, what did you hear it on CNN or fire? Because that-

Starting point is 01:05:42 My dad always said, the New York Times was always lean left, but you still trusted it as a source of information. There's no question. The New York Times was a trusted source of information. So was the Wall Street Journal, even though I had a much bigger vision. The audience that doesn't know,

Starting point is 01:05:51 what did your dad do for a living? My dad was, I grew up all over the world. You know what I mean? I grew up all over the world. It was in like a CIA. Hey, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, definitely a bank. Definitely a bank. Yeah, for sure, you're dead with the bankers. I was a banker. I've seen this movie before. I've seen this movie.

Starting point is 01:06:29 What do you do for the, why do you leave three months at a time? Maybe this is a big deal. Big private equity deal with war. We all start to realize with Arnold Schwarzenegger, buddy. Man, man, can't do work. This is so, Bay Road, turn it war. So your dad said, even though New York Times is left, it's vetted.

Starting point is 01:06:46 So you can trust. Yeah. And I think now when I say something like, no, I heard it on Tucker Carlson or I heard it on CNN, I lose half the room because they go, they're liars. And I think that's a problem, right? The biggest, maybe, challenge that we face is that when you can no longer agree on one source of truth,

Starting point is 01:07:14 you are going to have people that not only align themselves with their own echo chamber and are aligned themselves with the kind of truth that fits their narrative, right? That confirmation bias. But you have an entire mechanism of information that allows you to get pushed even further in that direction or even further in this direction, right? And now you've got two, you have almost this cyber civil war

Starting point is 01:07:39 that could happen. You get these parallel economies and the people have talked about this way more eloquently than I have. But it kind of harkens back to the phenomenon that allowed Europe to have a 40-year civil war. World War I and World War II was maybe, you could make the argument, an offshoot of the fact that truth

Starting point is 01:08:03 itself became atomized. I mean, let me give you an example. It used to be there was no question about what time was and how long comes Einstein and says time is relative. What? Oh, by the way, time might bend and light bends. And oh, I can predict the movement of the planets. You don't need the Bible for that, bro.

Starting point is 01:08:25 Let me explain something. And Haley came along and said, yeah, Haley's common. All of a sudden we go, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, that's kind of nutty. And then you have a guy named Freud, who comes along and says, hey, you're unconscious and there's conscious, there's also something called the subconscious.

Starting point is 01:08:40 And oh, by the way, you want to have sex with your mother. There you go. There you go, Europe. Deal with that, you want to have sex with your mother. There you go. There you go, Europe. Deal with that. You want to have sex with your mother. Oh, and by the way, you're ruthless about your sexual selection. And then another guy comes along named Darwin and says, Hey, there's something called evolution. There's design without a designer.

Starting point is 01:08:58 God doesn't exist. Don't need him. There's also something called sexual selection. And it's ruthless. Maybe women actually like the guy with the strongest jaw, the broader shoulders and the most aggression. And all of a sudden we go, hold on, but the meek shell and herothea, that's cool, dude. Yeah, you go without the three-legged dog. I'm getting the four-legged dog with a strong bite and I want good guns. And that's why when Nietzsche said God is dead,

Starting point is 01:09:26 what he meant was, God may be dead, but human beings are religious anyway, and we're gonna come up with our own religions. And our religions are gonna be communism, fascism, capitalism, we're gonna come up with our own religions. And the problem with that is that now you gotta do theologies. And when you have ideologies, you have camps. And then you have charismatic people

Starting point is 01:09:43 that have control of the guns that take over, like Stalin, like Hitler, right? Who say, this is the new truth. And oh, by the way, I'm going to reshape society as the utopia I envision. We can make human beings perfect. We can make society perfect. So you might be flawed now, but kiss my ass. I'm going to make all you perfect. And the other ones who are locked, there are some people, be flawed now, but kiss my ass. I'm gonna make all you perfect.

Starting point is 01:10:05 And the other ones who are locked, there are some people, by the way, who we can't educate. You guys, you guys little older, you gotta go. You gotta go. You gotta, I can't, it's just business. I gotta be, I gotta break a couple of legs to make an omelet. This is what happened.

Starting point is 01:10:19 And so, if you think that can't happen today, I would only say that I promise you Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany said the exact same thing before they came to power. You know, it's like it could never happen here. Yeah, they said the same thing. I mean, that's a pretty bleak thing. Again, I need music. I mean, you're very optimistic about the future. I actually am. Yeah. I think you music. I need music. I need music. You're very optimistic about the future.

Starting point is 01:10:45 I actually am. Yeah. I think you are. I am. And you're on dark way. You're optimistic. The good things are around the corner. Well, because human beings figure the way for men.

Starting point is 01:10:53 Yeah. I'm just talking a lot. But people are like, they're people are aware of the things I'm saying. Like, you're not, are you more depressed now than I brought that up? No, no, no. No, not at all.

Starting point is 01:11:04 Pat says all the time. Future looks bright. Future looks bright. So there's no one that's going to be more honest. Tell me why you're, get me out of my, uh, why I think the future looks bright? Yeah. Oh, one million percent future looks bright

Starting point is 01:11:15 because exactly what you went back to. You know, you know, I said the hall pass guys and the guys that, uh, the bully who bullied until he finally realized that you got the one kid you bully to spend 10,000 hours learning how to fight and then he came back and he not only whooped your ass but you knew you could no longer cross. So what bullies don't realize they do is they they create a Michael Jordan. They create a Dave Chappelle. They create a Joe Rogan. They create a uh uh they say they create any of those. Oh, of course, no question. I mean, I

Starting point is 01:11:56 will bullying comes in different forms. Bullying is not just about being a kid. Bullying is, you know, uh somebody with money that, you know, their money came from family and maybe they're imposing themselves on you a little bit and you're sitting there and say, dude, I would whoop your ass and I'm gonna out work your ass. Okay, no problem, let's see what's gonna happen here. I know you go out there and prove your point. Exactly. But I think the right people are waking up.

Starting point is 01:12:16 Today, Kyosaki and I had a Zoom, we're having a conversation, we're working on something together. And he says, hey, I think we need to have this kind of podcast together, me and you. Let this guy in I was in a Marines with them back in the days and you know, I screwed up. I got kicked out, but he didn't. He stayed in. He became a lieutenant general and a later on became a congressman and we both think that we need to raise men more today, et cetera, et cetera. He said, so how do you feel about today, with everything that's going

Starting point is 01:12:40 on? Because you know, market crash is coming and it's going to be very ugly. Uglier than what people think is that. Is that true dude? Oh dude, uglier than what people think is that right. Is that right? Wow. If you have the ability, you can buy a lot of stocks so cheap right now. Did you see what Palantir CEO was talking about?

Starting point is 01:12:59 Did you see what happened to the Palantir's stock? Have you seen that or no Tyler? Did you see what happened to the Palantir's stock? So first of all, that's a good stock to own. It's gonna go lower. Okay, Snapchat, did you see what it dropped to? In September, it was an $83 stock. Snapchat.

Starting point is 01:13:14 It's a $13 stock. Damn. What? 80% drop. Okay. So you got every one of these stocks you look at, where they're at right now, all of them, but it's gonna get worse the next 12 to 18 months, maybe 24 months to market. House prices are going to drop 20 to 40%. In the next 12 to 24 months, the house prices are going to drop the next 12 to 24 months.

Starting point is 01:13:34 So what do we do? It's going to happen. The people that are prepared are going to take their net worth and do five to 50 times in the next two to five years. Five to 50 times. You're gonna see guys, and I'm telling you right now, you're gonna see million dollar guys, be 100 million dollar guys in the next two to five years. You're gonna see 10 million dollar guys,

Starting point is 01:13:56 be billionaires in the next two to five years. The ones who are ready. But you're also gonna see the highly leveraged, 200 million dollar guy become a 17 million dollar guy. You're gonna see the highly leveraged, 18 million guy become a $17 million guy. Damn. You're gonna see the highly leveraged $18 million guy become a $600,000 guy. Damn. The next, again, my opinion, this is coming from me purely as an opinion, you can trash it, you can break it apart, do whatever you're doing. However, I thought you're gonna be

Starting point is 01:14:19 brides. This is the part. This is the part. This is the part. This is the other end of the rainbow? The part that's bright. Unfortunately, every once in a while, pruning is needed. Every once in a while, just like the forest has got a lot of trees. Itself creates fire to take, you know, and then next thing, you know, the ones at the bottom that are really the ones that are going to be the stronger powerful trees. They're the ones that need it.

Starting point is 01:14:42 The sun, they're going to come up and be better and beyond. Like even right now, you look at sports every time play, like look at Luca. Luca's Larry Bird, except five times better. You look at a lot of these guys that are coming up in every sport and every business and every game podcast, comedy, in every way, someone's going to come and do it better because what they have, it's tens of thousands of hours

Starting point is 01:15:03 of people that did it before them, they're just going to make it better. Right? So, but I- You have an opportunity, right? Oh, there's tens of thousands of hours of people that did it before them, they're just gonna make it better. So, but I- No opportunity, right? There's no question about it. Look at the podcasting, everybody's like, oh, these liberals, look, it quit in an entire economy. The daily wire wouldn't exist.

Starting point is 01:15:16 At all. And you're podcasting, people are making a fortune pushing back with either a reasonableness or a right wing, it's wing When one door closes another one By the way, you know who a whole heartedly agrees with you Maybe just the founder CEO type guy of Tesla and now Twitter Elon Musk You know what he I don't be founded Tesla, but what did he have to say about this? He said exactly what you're saying tell you have that article. What was your business Patrick?

Starting point is 01:15:43 I insurance still today. I show the Lauren Insurance Company. We have 20,000 agents nationwide. It's on slide. We have a 150 office output and event together in August. Wow. In Las Vegas, we'll have 15,000 people there. Sebastian was the performer last year at my annual convention.

Starting point is 01:15:59 Oh, that's amazing. And he came up, he was fricking hilarious. It's amazing. Mario Lopez was our MC, you know, we had- That article is there. But yeah, it's not your guy, listen to it, because you're an insurance manager. You're about risk.

Starting point is 01:16:12 I said, yeah, all insurance. There's no emotion. No. So I'm listening to you very carefully. No, of course, that's not- I don't care about you, I'm a must guy. I care about a guy who's actually doing this. No, but if saying Elon Musk kind of knows

Starting point is 01:16:24 the thing or two about the economy. Well, Patrick, what would you say, I know you guys want to get, what would you say to somebody that isn't the millionaire, doesn't have 100, but doesn't have 20 million, let's say a family that has, let's say, 20, 30,000 saved. What would you tell that family to do right now?

Starting point is 01:16:37 Oh, dude, I love that. Great coach, but check this out. Like, what have we valued the last two years? How do you know who is legit the last five years? How, how the hell do you know? We, you know how they say, we have an economic expansion of 128 months. No, we haven't.

Starting point is 01:16:52 We, we, we've had an economic expansion of nearly 150 months, 140 months. Take COVID out. If you took COVID out and they kept rates at zero or half a points, Federal Reserve, this economic expansion would have continued past February of 2020, right? So what happens when the economy is growing? How do you know who's a real millionaire?

Starting point is 01:17:14 Like how do you know who's real? Because so many people are leverage. Yeah, how do you know? You don't know. How do you know who's the real comedian? How do you know who's the real, there's a filtering process that we all got to go through, right? That's right.

Starting point is 01:17:24 So the only way you know the filtering process is during bad seasons. That is the only way you're going to know who's real and who's not. Foundations are strong. So the last two years, everybody's like, dude, forget about it. Just go get your own job. Go to the other company. It's guys I want to pay, they're guys will pay 30 grand asking for ways if they don't leave them.

Starting point is 01:17:43 Tell them to work for them. Tell them to work for them. Tell them to give them a threat. They to read your bad give my thread. They'll have to give it to you They'll have to keep you give all that stuff and you know what's happened the last two years employers Who've been bullied are sitting there and saying damn Never in my life have I valued loyalty and actually keeping your word when you say you can do something One more than before. Wow. So, companies are going to take care of those guys because the last two years, all the people

Starting point is 01:18:10 that abuse companies are getting filtered out and it's going to be so freaking awesome. Ugly. So ugly. Here's another one. If you leverage too much money and you know you shouldn't have and you were banking on the market continuously going up, there's this thing called called risk you may have a good hit and good for you You may make five ten fifteen twenty million dollars But if you overly leverage with the whole thing we're talking margin call if you overly went aggressive

Starting point is 01:18:37 There's a lot of billionaires today who were one quarter away from being poor and broke There's a lot of billionaires today. Yeah, there's a lot of billionaires who The market went their side. They sold at the right time. They bought at the right time They levered all the leverage at the price stocks. I've been since 21 years old. I was a stock broker I was at ballies. I was a stock broker, but you know So today next two years you're asking that person if you're the person that's not the person with money do it Wherever you are build the reputation of somebody that's going to come through, show value, show loyalty, show expertise, increase your skill set, the market is going to see through the bullshit the next two years. I swear to God. The next two years, everyone's going to know,

Starting point is 01:19:20 dude, this guy's not worth 50. We got to pay this guy 80. You know what? This advisor is not worth the commission we're paying. He deserves more money than what he's doing with my money, because he was honest with me. And I like it. Come down to what we were talking about, like coming into contact with objective reality. Yes. Right? Like, like, that's like, you whether it's what I love about fighting comedy. And that is really true comedy and fighting. You can't fake them. You either make people laugh or you don't. When you're in a ring and I'm watching the guy, it doesn't matter who your publicist is, here agent is or what they say about you. You either got the goods

Starting point is 01:19:53 or you're getting knocked out. And life business. It's a scary side. It's a scary side. But it's a scary, but it's again, it's a scary side, but it's a great filtering side. Yeah. And if you're good with it, you're fine. If you're prepared, you're fine. If you're not, you're not. But this next two years, two, three years, this two to five year run that I'm talking about, for you and I, we may never have another two to five year like this. I don't think its conditions are gonna be as great as it is right now to create wealth

Starting point is 01:20:28 the next 2-5 years. And by the way, I'm not selling by real estate, I'm not selling by insurance, I'm not selling anything. All I'm saying is the next 2-5 years, there's going to be a lot of things for sale and everyone's all of a sudden going to come up, the filtering system, you're going to say, dude, I had no clue that guy was real. I had no clue that guy was real I had no idea that guy was real You know the whole thing when you said you know like

Starting point is 01:20:49 If I had a book to write a self-help book if you want page and the page will be what it takes forever Well guess what you know this we're looking around and we're wondering oh that guy's probably legit guy Or that guy's probably legit guy. It's gonna take about 20 years Let's gonna take about 20 years for us to realize who the real legit people are in every field. In every field. In every field. And the next two to five years, we're gonna learn who actually manage your money.

Starting point is 01:21:11 And who didn't? It'll create opportunity too. Fortune's are made in recessions, right? All the time. That's all the time. That's all the time. That's all the time. All the time.

Starting point is 01:21:20 I love that. I appreciate that. That's very interesting. This is the quote from Musk. Let me know if you agree. He says it's actually a good thing that this recession that you're talking about is gonna happen. It says it's a good thing.

Starting point is 01:21:30 He says it's been raining money on fools for too long and some bankruptcies need to happen. I said, essentially, what you're saying? I so agree with him. I so agree with him. The whole too big to fail. You know how sometimes the left says, well, how about the too big to fail?

Starting point is 01:21:44 I agree. Yeah. But then some we can't fucking bail them out sometimes the left says, well, how about the too big to fail? I agree. Yeah, but then we can't fucking bail them out. Let them go. Let them go a little bit. Let's the pruning process come. Let's some of these guys that are not good operators, get fired. Do you remember what Shamaat said about the airport?

Starting point is 01:21:58 Remember when when when the COVID just hit, they started bailing out all the air lines. They'll tell all those guys, yeah. Shamaat, he goes, let him fucking fail. Yeah. Yeah, and everyone's like, what do you mean? Let him fail. Yeah. What do you mean? Yeah, that's the market place. Because everyone did their stock buybacks right before, after the Trump tax cut and all these guys who had an influx of cash, all these major corporations,

Starting point is 01:22:20 airlines, what have you, what they all do. They bought back stock, right? Did you see the credit and then they were just not, uh, stock, right? Did you see the credit? And then they were just not, what's solid? Did you see the Bitcoin thing falling and all this? Oh, it's, it's the 29. By the way, go back to this one. A Bitcoin margin call. If the world's leading cryptocurrency drops below $21,000, Michael Sailer's micro strategy will be forced to pay up.

Starting point is 01:22:41 Go up. What does that mean? Okay, so he bought 170,000 Bitcoin, I believe. 125,000, 170,000 Bitcoin. So Michael's and Richard, Sailor and MIT grad and co-founder, CEO of the Business Intelligence, Romychism, and I was a bit confident, fully as ever since company, began stockpiling the cryptocurrency in August of 2020.

Starting point is 01:23:00 The CEO has gone to call Bitcoin freedom as the most universally desirable property in space and time. And in 2022, Miami, the CEO has gone for, as to call Bitcoin freedom as the most universally desirable property in space and time. And then 2022 Miami, the largest Bitcoin event worldwide, sailor was met by thousands of cheering fans as instructed the crowd to never sell their crypto and look at the dollar amount right there. $3.97 billion. He bought a hundred and 29,000 bitcoins.

Starting point is 01:23:23 Do you see that? Can you highlight that? 129, by the way, he's not wrong about Bitcoin. So it's not like he's wrong about the technology. No, he's not wrong about that. This guy's made and lost a few times in his career. I think back in the 90s, he was worth $9 billion. Anybody back to a billion?

Starting point is 01:23:44 I'm back up to $7 billion. I'm back down. Sos he was worth $9 billion. Anybody back to a billion and back up to $7 billion and back down. So you know what? 30,000. You know Michael Burry is already a thousand. You ever watched a movie, big short big. I read the book. Okay, so you know the guy Christian Bill. Christian Bill.

Starting point is 01:23:58 That's that's sort of real life. Michael Burry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Michael Burry and this guy have very similar ways of he was the guy who saw the saw Yeah, he was the mathematician, but Michael Burry right now

Starting point is 01:24:09 Have you seen what Michael Burry said last week? Did you see what Michael Burry said last? No, you got to pull out what Michael Burry said last week Michael Burry is calling it. It's it's My words okay. Yeah, that one right there two days ago Can you click on and make a big short investor Michaelury, compares the stock market slump to a plane crash and hence troubling stocks and home sales remind him of the housing bubble bursting. Great. I'm listening to that guy. Well, let me tell you something, right?

Starting point is 01:24:35 You know how long he's been saying this? Every freaking years in 2008. And same as Keesak, he called for a same thing. I don't know if he's been saying it every year since 2008. No, no. Some of these guys, this is how they make their name. Very talk shit.

Starting point is 01:24:49 No, don't do that. Because this is not that guy. Michael Burry's not that guy. Michael Burry, remember the one time, Joe got upset at Steven A. Smith because he was giving feedback to UFC and he's like,

Starting point is 01:24:59 dude, what are you doing? Don't do that again. And he says, I will never do that again because the guy's not from this world. This is not basketball. This is not football. Joe knows the world I will never do that again because the guy's not from this world. This is not basketball, this is not football. Joe knows the world, Joe gives criticism.

Starting point is 01:25:08 Joe has the right, you better listen to when Joe says it, right, because this is his world. Michael Burry is not a guy, try inviting Michael Burry, pay him 200 grand to speak out to events. See what I'll say. It'll be a disaster. No, no, no, he won't take your money

Starting point is 01:25:23 because he's not that guy. Invite him to a podcast, he would also be a disaster. No, no, no, he won't take your money because he's not that guy. Invite him to a podcast, he'll say no. He doesn't give a shit about the eyeballs. This isn't that wiring of a guy. This is the genius. He's got that Tourette's thing or that, that ass person. Asperger's guy.

Starting point is 01:25:37 He's one of those guys. So when he says that he has not been saying this instant, this is a guy that said this in 07, 06 came right and everything everything leveled off and now he's saying it back again, but he's been saying it at him for the last two years. That's the thing, but not since oh wait, there's a big difference. He said it in a way for the last few years he's been saying that there's a gap of 10

Starting point is 01:25:58 years that he didn't say it. I'm not going back to 10 years. I'm saying it's not so much money in the quantitative of the core. He's big success. Just think about it this way. Okay. Somebody does steroids. And you go out there and do a bunch of stuff.

Starting point is 01:26:13 And you see, God, look, shit, what happened to this guy? This guy's 160. He's a 205. I've never seen you look like this. And he's got friends that are gradually getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. But it takes like a year, two years, three years, five years. Okay, cool.

Starting point is 01:26:26 But the guy that's suddenly who's not working out and comes in and adds everything, and he goes to 205 from 160. Yeah. He's sitting there saying, dude, the moment you can no longer afford a grand a month, or two grand a month, or you have to get off the cycle. And then your body shrinks up and you get to the yellow skin and you look very awkward and weird. And then now you have to get back on it or try to filter that out of your body for six months to 12 months.

Starting point is 01:26:51 America's about to go through that phase. My dad, he's always called the difference between style and substance. It's just, you know, substance is the difference. You can dress yourself up and look great. You can act like you're rich. You can spend a lot of money on a Ferrari. You can work it out and have a great house, but how much money do you have in the bank?

Starting point is 01:27:08 It's the same thing. And how good is this business really? Are you providing a product people actually really want to use? Is it making the world better? Well, how's your NFT collection work and how for you? This stuff never made sense to me.

Starting point is 01:27:20 I don't even know what it means. I never, I never understood. Did you get any of that stuff? Or did you have an NF, no? You don't have know, I still don't know what it means. I never, I never understood. Did you get any of that stuff? Or did you have it enough? No, you don't have like a... I thought one Bitcoin just to see what was going on in some Ethereum, just, you know, I was like, let me see what happens.

Starting point is 01:27:33 Did you hold on to it? Yeah, but I never, I never, I never... You're bored eight yacht club, but I didn't, I'm gonna look at it. A lot of people, by the way, you know, you're talking about the whole metaverse thing. Did you see the story that just came out? Pretty crazy story about metaverse. Check this out. So, women, 21 the way, you know, you're talking about the whole metaverse thing. Did you see the story that just came up? Pretty crazy story about metaverse.

Starting point is 01:27:45 Check this out. So, women, 21 years old, is virtually raped by a stranger in metaverse app, May 26th. Yes, did it, right? And you read the story of what direction we're going to. So, page three, let me read this full article to you. Okay, a woman was virtually read by a stranger in a metahorizon world's metaverse app while another user watched and passed around a ball of vodka.

Starting point is 01:28:12 New reports claims about an hour into using the platform. The avatar was sexually assaulted during a disorientating and confusing experience. The researcher said it happened so fast. I kind of was disassociated. One part of my brain was like, what the hell is going on? The other part was, this isn't a real body, and another part was like, this is important research.

Starting point is 01:28:32 Horizon Worlds was released by Meta in December and allows users to gather with others, play games, and build their own virtual worlds. You know this sounds weird to us, let's just say, right? Because I'm 43, and you know, okay, I'm let I'm seeing this happening But this is very real where we're going of course. This is the direction we're going right so it's gonna be the scariest part about this Is if this becomes a crime? I'll just say if this become if this becomes a crime. Yeah, then the way to be able to manipulate crime later on, it just opens it up a little bit too much.

Starting point is 01:29:08 Yeah, like, is there going to be like, now that this has happened, do they go like to core and like, does this meta personally, I don't think you can do that, but what I think is interesting is that I had somebody say this is not my idea, so I don't want to steal, but they said anybody who's buying property on the metaverse is kind of a fool because you can't put a value on an infinite supply of something. The metaverse, you know, a six point. You know, there's an infinite supply.

Starting point is 01:29:37 There's an infinite supply. All it takes is another algorithm, you know, so. Guys are selling, guys send me a message yesterday, and I got a special land for you for sale. If you want, I'll make, I'll let you make the first offer. My number is 2.4 million. I said, I'm good, bro. You know, I wish you all the best.

Starting point is 01:29:51 He said this on about the metaverse. Yeah, he's trying to sell the land for 2.4 million. A big NFC guy says, I'll sell it to you for 2.4 million. This is going to be $5 million proper. Yeah, I'm like, I'm good. Yeah, totally fine. It's gambling. Yeah, there might be people, I mean,

Starting point is 01:30:03 I know people who have made real money off NFC and, and, but that's all because that it's just like crypto. It's, that's all because even though there isn't much of a, like if you, if you have Bitcoin, if you want to buy a child or a, or a, a lot of drugs or a nuclear weapon, I suppose Bitcoin would work. But for the most part, there's still not really enough. There's not a real economy that is girding this or undergirding whatever the word is.

Starting point is 01:30:28 But I do think that isn't, I don't know, but isn't Bitcoin and all these cryptocurrencies? They are valued because a lot of people are buying them just in case. But by the way, what he just said has led to a research. I don't know if you saw the article on how crypto Bitcoin is matching

Starting point is 01:30:52 with what the stock market does. Meeting, the pattern is now whatever the market does, 79 out of 93 days of the stock went up, Bitcoin went up. If the stock market went down, Bitcoin went down. Did you see that article that was texted to you? Did you see that article or no? Kai sent it to us.

Starting point is 01:31:09 I don't know if you got it or not. So very, very... I thought Bitcoin and crypto was supposed to be an uncorrelated asset. I thought it wasn't supposed to be tied. Did you read the start of it? No, I haven't. Okay, so it shows, Kai, if you're listening,

Starting point is 01:31:21 I don't know if he's listening or not, if he can text it to us, but it matches exactly what the stock market did. That article right there, Bitcoin is acting like the stock market and that's not. No, that's not it. That's 2018. Hey, Kai, do you know the article you sent me about how Bitcoin and stock market are correlating? Can you text it to me? I just sent them a text right now through audio, but it shows. So that right there is not a good sign by the way. That's not good. Because it's mainstreamers.

Starting point is 01:31:49 Yeah, then it's not good. So then, but the part of it that the Bitcoin community can say it's good is what? Well, guess what? Well, legitimate. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, bigger money. It's the same thing as stock market, bring that in. But then you lose your identity of being where we're owned, where we're owned. Libertarian, we're going to own things. It goes back to what you were saying, though. It goes back to the fact that, okay, you're

Starting point is 01:32:14 saying this is value at X, okay. But where is the exchange of goods and services? The dollar I can understand, even though we have quantitative easing and stuff, but for the most part, you and I decide that, though. The market decides the value of the point. Yes. And by the way, I'm not a big, I have Bitcoin and I have Ethereum, but I'm not a guy that's going around telling everybody, go buy Bitcoin. But all I'm saying is the market will determine it.

Starting point is 01:32:39 What's crazy the last couple of years is that gold is gold is no longer what it was because like right now what is a price of gold a kilo of gold right now Tyler if you type in a price of gold kilo what is it right now 57,000? 59,000 five feet okay my price is 61,000 okay so if so if it went based on what the market was doing, it should be $100,000, it should be $80,000. But the patterns of how gold reacts to what happens to the market is not happening. That 1554, Peter Schiff has been saying that's gonna be $5,000 for 20 years.

Starting point is 01:33:22 It's eventually gonna get to $5,000, so he's eventually gonna say, I told you I was right, but 20 years too late of saying I was right, right? So there's certain things that's confusing. I think the next two years, you almost need the next two years to see what moves, what doesn't. So everyone's going to know if Bitcoin goes one direction and then interest rates go up, Bitcoin goes up, but stock market goes down, that's one the Bitcoin community right there. Look at that. Bitcoin has been trading with the stock market this year.

Starting point is 01:33:50 Okay. What's the day that he has that he just texted you? What's the number of days? Look at US stars. Crazy dude, look at that. Look how close it is. Wow. Look how close it is.

Starting point is 01:34:00 But that means people are being careful, isn't it? Isn't that because people don't have as much confidence and they want to link it to something that's been proven to be real for a long time? You mean with Bitcoin or the stock market? Bitcoin. They're calling it a digital goal right now. Okay, go to that article.

Starting point is 01:34:14 That's the one I want to read. Okay, can you make a little bigger? Bitcoin has often been linked to a digital version of gold, which for years has been safe haven-ass and known as a thrusty store of value. Trusty store of value when times have been more uncertain. But evidence for Bitcoin fulfilling a similar role

Starting point is 01:34:30 is hard to find in this year at least. Indeed, the data of 2022 suggests the price of Bitcoin often moves in the same direction as stocks rather than the opposite. Of the 98 trading days, we've had so far, Bitcoin and S&P 500 index have moved in the same direction direction 73 of them. Wow.

Starting point is 01:34:46 That, that, wow. So I want to know what the Bitcoin community says to that. While moving in the opposite direction only 25 times, the biggest moves in the stocks like the US stocks fell 3.2% on my 9th, also came the largest moves of Bitcoin for the stats, nerds, the correlation between the two has been plus 0.53. Interesting. So, how are you processing that? How should I be moving?

Starting point is 01:35:05 differently. It's so you're not unique. You are the stock market. You're not unique. You don't so versus what I would have wanted to see is if the market goes down the next six, 12 months and they raise interest rates, I'd like to see if I'm a probit coin guy, I would want to see Bitcoin go up. I'd want it to go up to 60,000, 70,000, 80,000, 90,000. If it does, they have the argument. The same way as if gold goes up the next 12 to 18 months, because gold is the army getting sale, right? The world's coming to an end.

Starting point is 01:35:39 You better own some gold, you know, Brian, you gotta put them, put it aside. Five percent of portfolio, go buy some gold and set aside. But if it doesn't go that way then the gold audience that selling gold their argument is kind of their own investors are gonna be like Hey, John you told me the last eight years if the interest rates go up goals gonna go to 5,000 still at 1550 What the hell is going on? Well, you know what's different about this time? They lose the argument Let me ask you this yeah Personality types who makes more money do you think usually pessimists are optimists?

Starting point is 01:36:09 Does the pessimist start with money? Do either start with money or Day, but because because I had a meeting with the founder of with the son of Moody You know the Moody's family ever heard of Moody's Moody's moody's moody's are all over the place in Texas And I had a meeting with the guy and I went and pitched him an opportunity 11 years ago. I said here's what I think we can do we can make billions and I was done with my presentation He says Patrick. There's two types of people in the world There are those that wake up every morning

Starting point is 01:36:34 Wanting to make their first billion and there are those that wake up every morning wanting to protect their billions your group on I'm group two So he's so in a way you have to be an optimist to make to make a difference when you already made it that's a great so it depends why you become conservative when you have that much money in your and your wild man when you're young yeah when you get older you're like think about why you like you think about conservatives conservatives are there to preserve what we have

Starting point is 01:37:04 and liberals are there to be like let's let's start something new progressives. You should be a money manager. You'd be one hell of a money man. You crack up your clients and say, look, you know what, I wasn't going to give it the other 20 million, but here's it. You're going to make no money, but I'll make it. You will make it emotional. I'm not going to kill a FB. Too emotional. By the way, are you following the Amber Herd story? Are you following?

Starting point is 01:37:26 It's my favorite TV show. It's my favorite. So far, with all the craziness, you saw, by the way, what's her name? Camille Vazquez has officially become a BMF. People are in love with this girl, 38-year-old lawyer. What I want to know is, how the hell did he find her? Like, what did that show up? That was apparently a very deliberate choice

Starting point is 01:37:51 because they said that the two lawyers are big guys, the guys your size, apparently. And if you had a big man asking these very hard questions to a beautiful woman who's crying, you would look like a bully. I said, let's get a very smart, small, small, no, I'm being serious. What a strategic moment.

Starting point is 01:38:10 Let's get a very small, who came up with that idea. The team, when you're Johnny Depp and you get that team, I promise you, they're the best. Yeah. I know some of these people, you know, in Hollywood who deal with this, they're the guys that make it to the top, those lawyers, they are deep, deep students of human nature.

Starting point is 01:38:29 So here's my question, how does, not everybody's definition, I know it's them, but do they have to agree and like, it's going to be televised and it's going to be on every single day, like what, what makes that? Look, this case rests on the first half of the sentence, the first sentence of that article. I was, I became the face of domestic violence. The idea was you wrote that and then you orchestrated your follow up plan to essentially destroy someone's career. And the case really is, the lawyer's case is, we're going to prove that everything you said is not true,

Starting point is 01:39:06 right? You're making this stuff up. We don't have, there's no pattern of this in his history or anything else. All of a sudden you came along and said that. I mean, if you listen to those tapes, it's like she's saying, I can't help it, I get so mad, I can't promise I won't hit you.

Starting point is 01:39:22 Yeah, I wasn't hitting you, John. I don't know what my hand is doing. I didn't punch you, I was hitting you. Oh, that's a big difference. So all of us just go, I'm sorry, but there's, Puele was the internet hate I've ever heard. Well, most of us, the people don't have a dog in this race. Like, I do, I just don't buy it.

Starting point is 01:39:37 I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. The letter that you're referring to, she wrote, that she was the face of domestic violence. The horror horror. She wrote an article for the Washington Post. That basically said, if you look at the first sentence, I think it was really about whether

Starting point is 01:39:53 or not she was, this was a defamation. I spoke about the sexual violence phase, our culture's vast. That has to change. And then I was exposed to abuse at a very young age, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's a sentence that they're using. That's what Brian is. And now you have to prove whether or not everything she's saying is a lie.

Starting point is 01:40:13 So it's not an easy question then. Oh yeah, there it is. Two years ago I became a public figure representing domestic abuse and I felt a full force of our, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse. That's where I believe it's hinging on. You said that you were abused. And then you file the restraining order.

Starting point is 01:40:29 And I will say this, if you file a restraining order in Los Angeles, you don't need to go down there personally with your publicist. If you file for divorce, you don't have to go down there personally. You don't do that. A lawyer does that for you. A if you file for divorce you don't have to go down there personally you don't do that a lawyer does that for you a clerk does that for you so why was she down there you know without makeup on that cheek there was and also if you heard the TMZ guy he goes well we have to vet who has the copyright for any video we get and i don't take up to a day or a week. In this case, it took 15 minutes

Starting point is 01:41:05 because it came from quote unquote, the source. It was her, well, it came directly from her. I mean, that's what, I mean, come on. If it took 15 minutes, TMZ was like, oh, well, Brian, and if we were supposed to believe all women, well, yeah, except for just Lane Max, well, I was the woman from Theranos. I was just gonna say this. How do you processing this believe all women? How are you categorizing it? I have a big problem with any of that stuff. Any planked statement. I can say one thing though.

Starting point is 01:41:31 Look at what Americans love this type of like this trial. Where's Galein Maxwell? What happened to that hole? I would rather see that trial than watch this. I hate to be that guy. Where's she at now? Well, that's some of your heart of Galein Maxwell. Yeah, no, no, that guy. Where's she at now? We're well, some of your heard of Galeem Max. Well, yeah, no, no, I know where she is. She the depth was the one Who wanted the cameras in the courtroom? Oh really? She didn't and he knew this is

Starting point is 01:41:56 By the way, look man. That guy's a nightmare too, okay? I don't think he was I don't think he hit her did I have but that guy spent 30 years Hi I don't think he was, I don't think he hit her, did I? But that guy spent 30 years high, high, and trunk off his hat. Nightmare. You was Jack Sparrow in real life. You were dressed like a pirate all the time. If I came in, bro, with a lace doily around my head, a cowboy hat, and 15 bandanas, you'd go Brian, take it off right now. Come on. But he's an R right now. I'm just. Come on. But he's an R.T.

Starting point is 01:42:27 I know, bro, but you got to have friends who are like, hey dude, you're dressed like, you know, 13 bracelets on. But that's one who Johnny Depp is. You're 60. I just because he's Captain Jack Sparrow drinking rum on a cruise. He's a man. He doesn't mean that he's beaten women. In acting class, I took it for years.

Starting point is 01:42:42 In acting, you learn the most important thing, which is what? Learn how to be still. Yeah. Learn to give nothing away. Yeah. Let the audience, I never learned this by the way, not even close to the worst student.

Starting point is 01:42:56 Let the audience reach for you. Brando, Brando was the first guy who just even mumble his words. He didn't win though. Back then, you always had to announce it. You learned how to stand straight and you spoke this way, you were an actor. That was very important.

Starting point is 01:43:09 Brando came along when he walked on stage in London. He came on stage and he was talking like you're standing qualski when he was doing three current names there. In London they thought a drunk stage hand had walked on stage. They were like, what's going on? Oh my God, somebody's storming the stage

Starting point is 01:43:30 and they realized he was in it. They saw his muscles and they saw he was actually sweating for real because he used to work out. The first method actor. In London, the story was they were screaming. The women were screaming at that curtain call, screaming. He changed all of it.

Starting point is 01:43:49 Robert De Niro, Robert DeVal, those guys, you know who their hair was? Brando. Brando, of course. Brando. So, you know, the, the, the, the depth is a master actor dude. He seduced all of us by barely moving.

Starting point is 01:44:03 It takes him a half hour to get one sentence out. One sentence, he's like, I, it was, no. What? That's all he says, we're like, dude, I need to hear more. Yeah, I love it. Is it true?

Starting point is 01:44:18 You had a, you had a pint of wine. Yeah, a, a, a, a megabyte. A megabyte. I had a large glass of wine. I're a wine, I felt very necessary. But who's your favorite? You continue, you guys like this? Yes, you continue to read that, correct? He barely raises his voice.

Starting point is 01:44:36 How much is he spending on wine? He even admitted it. 30 grand a month, grand a month. That's as much as Patrick, David does, good. Who's your, your actions are amazing. You do great accents, okay? Who are your favorite people to do these days? I mean, I've always, if I really want to,

Starting point is 01:44:50 I'll do, you know, let's say a hacky thing, but yeah, I've always loved Chris walking. And I'll do Christopher walking as a pigeon for you. I'm only gonna do it once. Okay. This is shit. One of my favorite guys by the way. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:45:03 Well, the story goes, the true two story that he he walked in to my But I think it was a camera that Randy porcelain who was a comic and he told tells the stories telling on stage So I'm stealing it from him and he said Walk in walked up to them went out. I don't know if it's true But he was he was drunk and he walked out to them. They're all hanging out and they're all just a bunch of actors who were in this movie called search and destroy up to them, they're all hanging out and they're all just a bunch of actors who were in this movie called Search and Destroy. And he walks in and they're all like, oh shit, Christopher walking and he goes, and he's tall.

Starting point is 01:45:30 That's 6364 and he goes, you guys, you know what fame is? Fame is knowing you can walk in a room, fuck anyone in the ass. That's fame. room fuck anyone in the ass that's famed any walking and they're like what happened and then he's dancing with an actress like yes he's doing this and apparently he'll go over sure and go the ass I hope that story's true but it was the great story you want to see my god. It's the great story. It's the great story. Yeah. You want to see my impression of Chris Walken as a pigeon?

Starting point is 01:46:07 No. It's just fucking so khakis. I should have my comedy license for focus. This is bull. I apologize. I'm defaming. Chris Walken as a pigeon. Cool.

Starting point is 01:46:18 Ha ha ha. Bread. I got bread on my mind. Sawadou. Cool. Thank you very much. Brad, I got Brad on my mind. So, though, cool. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Very impressive. Very impressive.

Starting point is 01:46:32 Come on dude. That's how I love it. That's how I get. I just discredited myself. Oh my god, man. By Bitcoin, guys, that's the point I'm trying to make. Oh my god. By the way, when you were in Hangover.

Starting point is 01:46:43 I know people were going to be like, the shitty walking, what? Fuck off. I wasn't even in hangover, it's a bad I know people are gonna be like the shitty walking it went fuck off. I wasn't even trying Yeah, it was a great walking Did you guys party out on when you were in hangover? Was it just kind of like work? Was it purely work? All work? Nobody knew that movie was gonna be a big deal. Joe joking. Bradley I'd known Bradley and Zach Alpha and I kiss and all those guys nobody knew the movie was gonna be no I'd known Bradley Cooper for five years before that I I knew Zach Alphonax for 10 years before that. It was a little movie.

Starting point is 01:47:08 I was asked to come in and I knew Todd Phillips, the director and the guy was supposed to be from New York talking like this. You know, you don't remember me. I'm Eddie. You know, how could you not remember? You know, he was all, yeah, he's from the Bronx in New York. And I was the one that I said, look, dude, if the dude, and I even said this, because you appreciate this, I said,

Starting point is 01:47:27 if he's in Vegas and he owns a wedding chapel, he should be from Armenia or something like that. The noise, I can get you anything on, my friend. What do you, the boys? It's a bit, the boys, I can get you on the ride. The boys, guns, I can get you chicks, whatever you need, my friend, I can get you one. So he'd, he loved that and that was how it happened.

Starting point is 01:47:46 But when we did the movie, bro, it was like, you know, I mean, I tell the story, you know, it's, it's so funny because Bradley and I were walking through I think Cesar's palace and a group of tourists wanted to take a picture with the guy from Mad TV. What? You want to know who held the camera and took the picture no Wow, I knew I was nobody knew him

Starting point is 01:48:09 Wow, it wasn't he was sac la I don't know if I remember when limitless was the movie. They were watching see if you could pull it off and he did That was a great movie, but sick movie, but that guy's NCT. Yeah, but he was all he loves acting Bradley, who's I just I just saw because of Ray Leoto, you mentioned it. I watched Goodfellas last night, probably, I'm not joking, for the 50th time. And while I was in the gym today, there's a documentary with Scorsese and the writing, with the Pallegi, everything.

Starting point is 01:48:34 And then Henry Hill, the real Henry Hill, he was in witness protection, he couldn't come on the set, but the Nero would call him in the morning, five, six times ago, hey, how did this guy hold the cigarette? How they talk? How do you pour the ketchup? How do you, bro? I get goosebumps right now.

Starting point is 01:48:50 And then God rest the soul, dude, I, that ever since I was a kid, I wanted to be a gangster. Right? You got your favorite movies? Good Files has got to be one of them. Damn. Mad on fire with, oh, oh, Godfather to a junk. You, you've talked all these guys, Sam and the Bull. Sam and the Bull, yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:07 I was pretty fascinated with him. He's the only gangster that I was really taken with because I knew who he was back in the day because I was in New York then and he was terrifying, you know. But he just seems like a very intelligent guy who had, if it wasn't for his dyslexia, it would probably be a huge entrepreneur, it would probably be a guy who had, if it wasn't for his dyslexia, it would probably be a huge entrepreneur. It would probably be a guy who made a fortune.

Starting point is 01:49:28 Like, I know it's crazy to say this, but I get the feeling that even though he was a killer, he lived by that code of the samurai. He's, I look at him as more of a samurai. You know, people who kill people are, you know, gangsters are bad people, right? They just, I don't like it. There's something about that guy, I feel like

Starting point is 01:49:47 he was just more of a modern day, Miu Muthamashishi, like a samurai who lived by the sword and was always ready to die by the sword. That's my feeling, I may be wrong. I don't know, what was your impression? I mean, Sammy is, till today, he is still to the core, proud Mafioso. And he'll tell you when we spend those three days

Starting point is 01:50:08 in the mountains and we did the Mafia States America with him and Michael Francis. You spent three days with him? Oh yeah, we had, we, In the mountains. In the mountains. And with, with, with, and that was it, we did with Rudy Giuliani

Starting point is 01:50:21 and we had Chaz Paul Menteri do the narration. Wow. How was yourself that security wise? What's the security wise? Oh, we had Chaz Paul Menteri do the narration. How was this so bad? Security wise, what's the security? Oh, we had to have security. How much bananas? Nice. They both asked to bring their own people.

Starting point is 01:50:31 And they're each the people that they brought on each side. You know, it's like they're people, people. They brought their own people. So you have to, because I'm asking them to come to the top of a mountain at a house that matches identical to the house from Godfather to. How like after comes down? Get down.

Starting point is 01:50:50 Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's had first time I talked, I called Sammy, it was a year and a half after the Michael Francis interview. So I called Sammy, he gets out of jail, one of my, the girls, Jessica gets his number. And I called him, I say, he's Sammy, this is Patrick with David. Who the fuck is this? It's Patrick with David, I conducted the interview with Michael Francis. So you the mother, so you did the interview, you realized Michael wasn't a boss, he was a couple, and I'm an underbar, and he got all technical. So he went hours furious about the interview, and then I said, Sammy, just meet with me,

Starting point is 01:51:33 he says, no, I said, Sammy, let's just have a meeting. I'd like to interview, he says, no, the only person that's ever interviewed me is Diane Sawyer, 1990, forgot 20 million views, I'm not doing any more interviews. Wow. So I said, why don't I just come fly? It says, no, hangs up.

Starting point is 01:51:47 I said, okay, I'm gonna follow up, because I'm a sales guy. So I'm gonna follow up. I'm gonna follow up. I followed up, I followed up. Followed up. And finally, who's this? Sammy, it's Patrick.

Starting point is 01:51:56 Why are you calling again? And then anyway, so we talk, finally, you know, he agreed to meet in Phoenix. So I fly into Phoenix, and he says, I'll give you an address last minute when you guys get here So we get an address we go to this place and a guy comes to the front He says here. Let me take you to the back. We're walking walking walking walking walking walking place gets darker walking It's me and Maria maria says Pat is today the last day. I'm living as everybody just relax You're never gonna leave this place, so we get to the place, we sit down

Starting point is 01:52:26 and then Sammy shows up and he starts talking. And Shashian asks, oh yeah, yeah, he starts asking questions, but the entire time he's just watching your body language, what you're doing, what you're saying, asking questions, asking Mario questions, why do you wanna do this? What's the outcome of this? How am I gonna know this? This is not gonna be a hit job. What it was gonna do you want to do this? What's the outcome of this? How am I going to know this?

Starting point is 01:52:45 This is not going to be a hit job. What it was going to do is this will come. Anyways, very, very, very sharp. No, he's done so many sit-downs in his life. That's smart guy. The kind of sit-downs that your life depends on it, right? Anyways, six months out of that, he agreed. We did the interview and it did very well.

Starting point is 01:53:02 And then the scariest person though that we met with wasn't Sammy. It's two other guys. Frank Calada was one and Sonny Francis. Sonny Francis was Michael's dad. He was like, if you ask Sammy about Sonny Francis, he's a level over. Oh, because if you, Sonny's the one

Starting point is 01:53:21 that was the rumor had it that he used to be with Jackie Kennedy and Merlam, all the one that was the rumor had it that he used to be with Jackie Kennedy, and Marilyn, all the stories that people say about Jackie and Marilyn Monroe, it was a sunny story. That's who Sonny was. I mean, there was a massive article done us, Sonny, Sonny, that 50 something years in jail. So we go to New York to meet Sonny

Starting point is 01:53:37 at the old folks homes after he got out of jail. Okay, we go to the hospital to see him. And I go in there with Mario. Sonny looks at me like this. He's looking at me like 10 second pause. He's still looking. I mean not moment just like this Imagine somebody looks at you like this and he looks at Mario like this for 10 seconds. He says you're at Tomorrow you're at or no, he says you know 95% of the world are rats you're at and Mario's like Doesn't know what to say. He's looking at me. He's looking at me like I'm like Sunny is totally fine. He's a good guy. He's been with me for 15 years. So you're not a rat. No, okay good

Starting point is 01:54:13 Well good, good to have a new year. Let's go and then we sat down and I was trying to do the interview with them tough as sale look how he is By the way, he died a year ago year and a half ago and that's Michael and his dad was a soul But in the picture his the right in the middle there? In the picture, his do on the middle right there. Look at that face right there. Yeah, that's a guy. Some of the stories about him, it's a myth, I can't even tell the stories, some of the stories they say about what he did.

Starting point is 01:54:35 Anyway, so we go back part two. I got my whole camera crew there. Everybody's there. We're about to do the interview. I'm taking them to the top Italian restaurant to see if he's going to be comfortable. We're driving to the restaurant. And I said, so sunny, you know, what do you think about Marlansky? Because he comes from that era. Good man, very good man. I said, really? Was you a billionaire? No, just a regular man, but it was a good man. So what do you think about Lucky?

Starting point is 01:55:05 Oh, phenomenal man, very good man. I said the stories about what lucky to never, very good man. Yeah, that's it. So I said, how about Bugsy? So I'll get, that's what you'll get. I said, how about Bugsy? You'd never call him Bugsy to his face. To you, his Ben Siegel, very good man, fine gentleman.

Starting point is 01:55:21 So I go, how about Frank, you know, some go through all these stories. Now, I said, it's sunny. Let's do the interview, because if. Yeah. So I go, how about Frank, you know, some go and throw all these stories. Now, as it's sunny, let's do the interview because if you don't do the interview, the world's gonna tell your story. How about you do the interview with me and let you control the narrative. You tell the story, let the audience,

Starting point is 01:55:36 but they're gonna make the decision. And he's looking at me like thinking about it and his lawyer sitting to his left. It was the most uncomfortable lunch because a lawyer scream and shouting, you know, it's very ugly at this point. about it and his lawyer sitting to his left. It was the most uncomfortable lunch because a lawyer scream and shouting, you know, it's very ugly at this point. Like 15 people at this table. We've shut down the Italian restaurant. It's just as Michael sitting to my left. His lawyers, there are people are here. Everyone's waiting for Sonny to say yes. And then all of

Starting point is 01:56:00 a sudden he's like, yeah, listen, here's all I have. All I have that I'm taking to my death, but with me is I've never ratted anybody out. And I'm not gonna talk to anybody. That's why he did 55 years. Yeah, he could only done like 20 years. Do you ever see a movie called Angels with Dirty Faces with James Cagney? Mm.

Starting point is 01:56:22 It's a great movie because it's about, it's about one guy who gets caught, they're too juvenile to lengthens. One guy gets caught, the other guy gets away from the cops. The guy who gets away from the cops becomes a priest. The guy who gets caught gets stuck in the system, becomes a gangster.

Starting point is 01:56:39 Those are the guy from made it, oh, top of the world, right? He becomes a gangster. And the greatest thing about that movie is this. They finally catch him. He's going to the chair. He's gonna get electrocuted. And the priest is old friend who ran faster.

Starting point is 01:56:54 His old friend came to, comes to change, and he's carrying me. And James Cagney's in the jail cell. And he's like, I'll die like a man. I'm not afraid of these, these people. I die like I live. I'm a man. And the priest comes to him I die like I live. I'm a man. And the priest comes to him and says,

Starting point is 01:57:08 I want you to do me a favor. And he says, what? And he says, I want you to go to the chair like a coward. And James Cunning goes, what? And he goes, I don't want you to go to the chair like a brave man. Because these kids on the street will look up to you. And I don't want them to look up to you.

Starting point is 01:57:23 Wow. I want you to go to the chair like a coward. And he goes, all I got, all I got is this. That's all I got. And you want to take that away from me. And the last moment of my life, you want me to be a go to the cow, the chair yellow, which was a coward, like a coward. And he goes, I do. And he goes, I'm not doing it. Get out of here. That's all I got. And the priest leaves with his head hung low. And then you see James Cagney being walked to the chair

Starting point is 01:57:50 and it's done a shadows on a wall. James? And he's walking. I got this. I got it. I got this and he's walking like a man and like, damn, he didn't do it. And then just when he's gonna go,

Starting point is 01:57:59 he goes, I can't do it. No, no, no, man. That's right. But hey, that want to die. And they have to drag them to the chair. And then you see the kids reading it and it says, you know, what's his name? Goes to the chair like a coward.

Starting point is 01:58:12 And the priest is just watching these kids going, man, I always looked up to him and he went there like a coward. I don't know. Is this really worth it, man? How it ends? It's called angels. I don't want to watch it.

Starting point is 01:58:23 And he was, come on, boys. He's going to have a drink for a kid who couldn't run us fast. It's a great movie man. But James Cagney had his best there. I mean, how about that? That's a freaking story. How about that? I mean, that's the, but that's what the opposite of what Sonny did.

Starting point is 01:58:37 Sonny went and Sonny went and said, no, this is who I am. Yeah. To the core, by the way. You know, the number with Sonny is 55. You know, Sam is got 19 Sony's number was 55 bodies people. Oh my goodness. That's the number that you're 52 or 55 They can it's somewhere around the 50s that one 102 103 and a half hundred Three years ago. That's why that's why you can ask him about lucky and Meyer and those guys because 104 years ago

Starting point is 01:59:04 It was 1918. Imagine this. I think there might be something to the fact that people are born gangsters. Sometimes people like Sammy the Bull, they're born. What would we do without our bad guys? Movies and life would be pretty boring. What would cops do without our bad guys? Did you have to hear the story about their core that way? That story that Sonny told us at the

Starting point is 01:59:27 table on the podcast about the guy that said that same with the old told us. Was that not the most intense story? One of the most intense story about the guy who was a hitman's hitman. He can't take his shoes off. Yeah, take my shoes off. My wife will know. Oh my God. That was the most intense story of ever seen in my life, bro. Dude, dude, that's where you just go. And Sam in the book, Ron, I might be the best storyteller I've ever seen and I'm in the business of talent stories. Yes.

Starting point is 01:59:56 You want to talk about a storyteller. And the thing about it is I believe every single word that guy says, that's the other thing that I really appreciate. Pretty good at reading bullshit. That's my, you know, I'm an actor. Would you want to'm an actor would you want to interview him yeah would you want to have him on the podcast I would I would love to really owe you okay I'll make that really make the introduction really I'm actually how do you get not to cut you off by my bad how do you get

Starting point is 02:00:17 Sammy the bulls number how does that happen he's better than that. You better not rap. Don't be a fucker. Hey, you wanna play this song? I'm thinking question. Excuse me, Mr. Bed David, I wanna apologize for my friend. He's a little out of line. I was in that line. He's been on the house. He's a funny house. He's been on the house.

Starting point is 02:00:34 He's been on the house. Let me tell you, let me tell you a real funny story and I'm gonna rap up. This has been a blast. But so we go to a local restaurant here who's called the Casa de Angelo. If you haven't been, we gotta take you. You gonna, I told Joe, I said Joe, they got the best Ville,

Starting point is 02:00:49 not Ville, best elk. You gotta go to this place to try to elk. He says, when I'm out there, we'll figure it out. But so I'm out to Florida, we moved to Florida, from Bocca, we moved to Florida, and first week, I'm going to Casa de Angelo. This is known as people would go to this place to eat. The owner of the museum is Angela.

Starting point is 02:01:08 It's purely all Italian. Probably is 80% Italian, all in, like from Italy. So first I'm going there, I go there with chess commentary. So the manager comes at the owner, comes on, oh, okay, who's this guy? We go to the corner, we sit there. Okay. Second time I go there, a week after that.

Starting point is 02:01:27 It's with Michael Francis. Look, oh, Michael Francis, hey, you know, hey. So, okay, we go there. Third time I go there is with Sammy. This is three weeks in a row. I'm going there, so it's Chaz. You remember this, or, cause we want to get it all three of them, right?

Starting point is 02:01:40 I was there all three. So we go Chaz, we go Michael, we go, by the way, Chaz is dinner. It was one of the best dinners of all time. Yes, no, you're amazing. I love that guy. So the third one we go chas, we go Michael, we go by the way chas is dinner was one of the best dinners of all time. Yes, no amazing Yeah, love that guy. So the third one we go is with Sammy By the fourth one, it was the week that I was on Rogan. I was on his podcast So on the podcast I give a shout out to the restaurant because of the angel

Starting point is 02:01:56 By the fifth time we going back there These guys are thinking Italian and they're thinking I'm like, you know are thinking. I'm Italian and they're thinking I'm like, you know, from Italy. You're a Syrian. That's no reason to tie. What do you think? What do you think the Romans get it from our many in a Syria? Yeah. What I tell you what, oh man, the story. Obviously, you're, you're, you know, fascinated by the story. And it never gets old because there's more stories. Yeah. You know, when Sammy's telling the stories or Michael's telling the story and it never gets old because there's more stories. Yeah, you know when Sammy's telling the stories or Michael's telling the story Frank Kalata when we interviewed him. I'm in Vegas and

Starting point is 02:02:30 We're staying at the MGM Mario is setting up the place if you can pull up Frank Kalata. So he knows who Frank Kalata is So do you remember seeing so we walk in Frank walks in and Marys says oh Frank We ready. We have everybody ready here to do the interview And I'll I'll I'll text it to you so you know who it is Frank's like yeah, don't worry I've been sitting out there for 30 minutes Who was the guy that came and dropped off the camera and the lights and all that so tell me who that guy's because that's what I've been watching Whoa holy shit, so Marry's like oh, oh, oh, oh, uh, that's that's one of us. You sure he's one of you

Starting point is 02:03:01 That's in Frank a lot of okay trust anybody. Oh, let me tell you. So he walks in. If you've never seen the interview, he walks in zero, like, hey, zero. Hedge. Cold as ice. When the interview ends, I'm talking to Mario on this side

Starting point is 02:03:20 to check to see if we're gonna grab one of the lights or to leave. We look around. He disappeared. Gone. around, he disappeared. Gone. Gone, he disappeared. No, no, no, high, buy nothing. He's gone, he disappeared.

Starting point is 02:03:30 He messaged me a year after that. He says, hey, I had no idea our sit-down was gonna get these many millions of views. He says, my business is taking off in Vegas. Let's do something. Couple weeks later, he dies. He just died. Now, if he's business in self, you don't know who he is.

Starting point is 02:03:43 Don't ask the buy. He's the, he's the, he's a Jewelry. He came from Chicago. He's in the garbage. This is wrong. By the way, Frank Kalada, Frank Kalada, if you want to know who he is, you ever seen a movie, Casino?

Starting point is 02:03:56 Of course. You know who Tony Spalatra is? And I don't know. Okay, Tony Spalatra is like the Sammy of Vegas, let's just say, right? Like a Philly and Nettie of Vegas. It's just say right that guy like a filly a netty of Vegas Joe Pesci. Yeah, so So Tony Spalatra bad bad guy, but in the movie if you've seen casino remember when they go to the scene where they put the head in a

Starting point is 02:04:15 Vice and did the guy that blows up the guy in the head in the vice that's Kalata. He did that. Oh, wow That's crazy. That's very bad guy. Very bad guy. Qualified bad guy. Those guys are real sociable. It's like they don't care about people. He is cold like you. Yeah, cold.

Starting point is 02:04:32 The way Brian, the way that you tell stories, the accents, the things that you're gonna have a great time with Sam if you can set that up. The guy can tell stories. And if he didn't, oh, I know. And up in that life, he could have been an interterditor.

Starting point is 02:04:43 I know that. It's that. I've sat for Gary and a leg out. You're an elite. Okay, yeah. I've seen it, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, we'll set that up.

Starting point is 02:04:51 Thanks for having me on it. If you do have a month, you know, set it up for a couple hours, you know, you know, set it up for a couple hours. No, no, he makes his own time. I'm not going anywhere. Yeah, set up, he said, yeah, that's the thing. You'll have a month, the fighter and the kid.

Starting point is 02:05:01 Oh, I'd love it. How long would you do that? Twice a week. Twice a week. Twice a week. And it's just you and Brendan. Me and just me and Brendan. Okay, guys. So that would be sick.

Starting point is 02:05:08 The team's back. That'd be sick. I don't want to bring up any weird stuff, but I do watch it all the time. And Brendan was just on with Bobby Lee. Yeah. Is that something you're talking about these days? I love that guy.

Starting point is 02:05:20 Okay. I've been friends with Bobby forever. Yeah. I spoke to him in a way that was inappropriate. I was mad about something. I was given information, should have waited on more information. I should have given him the benefit of that

Starting point is 02:05:31 because he didn't know what the hell was going on. And I called him up and I own my mistakes. I love that about you because you're like, this is on me. It is. I didn't know anything. I didn't see what happened. Patrick has no clue about this.

Starting point is 02:05:43 Yes, well I'll tell you, I'll fare, but it's fine. But I love that guy. Yeah. And I've known him forever. And I call him and I go, he was mad. He read me the riot act. And I was like, you're right. When you're right, you're right.

Starting point is 02:05:55 But when you screw up and you get angry and you don't give your offender years like that, the benefit of the doubt, you deserve a little heat. And what I respect you, it takes a lot, which I love you for this, because nobody does this shit. Nobody.

Starting point is 02:06:10 I own my mistakes. The fact that you go, I did it, because guess what? I've been angry, angry, and in that moment, that information, whatever. I've done shit to where, if it was the other way, I would have punched me in the butt. And I was given information that was,

Starting point is 02:06:22 I should have weighed it. I should have, and I, he's a son of a gun. When you have a friend, when you have waited. I should have, and I, he's had, when you have a friend, when you have somebody who I like as much as Bobby, who didn't deserve, you gotta be able to say, you gotta ask him, you gotta go, hey, you're not explaining to me. And I was outside of myself,

Starting point is 02:06:38 wasn't who I am, made a mistake. You're human, you're human being. He accepted my apology, I apologize. We're good, man. It's all good. That's great. But, you know, what's the big lesson you learn through all this? I'm in, whether it's Bobby or Ricky or who it doesn't,

Starting point is 02:06:50 what's the lesson you learn? Don't assume, give your friends the benefit of the doubt. And, you know, make sure you got all your information in your ducks in a row. And even when you do, ask first, don't, you know, go and say what's going on. It's not like me. It was, there were a lot of extenuating factors.

Starting point is 02:07:10 I was given a lot of information. I was defending a friend. You know, my friend is my brother, man. So, I'm very protective of my friends. I'm very loyal. But I should have realized I was also talking to a friend. Somebody I love very much. Bobby for how many years?

Starting point is 02:07:24 25 years. It's great. Longer than Brenda. But he's also a great dude. Bobby's hilarious too. Well, you guys didn't mat TV together. Well, I wasn't on the same thing, but I've known him forever.

Starting point is 02:07:37 I've always had nothing but great love and affection. And his girl, Kalaila, she seems very... I don't know her. Oh, you don't even know her at all. I don't know her. She seems very level-headed though. Yeah, you don't even know her at all. I don't know her. She seems very level-headed though. Ah, yeah, I don't have any beef with that. That's not, that's something that was unfortunate.

Starting point is 02:07:51 It was one phone call and I apologize right away. I respect that you owned that. Yeah, you got to own, you were very clear. This is on me. Yes, man. You got to own that. You got to own that. I got to, I got to, I got to zoom that their text me.

Starting point is 02:08:04 I got to get one. Okay, but this was a blast. This was own. I got a, I got a, I got a zoom that their text me. I got to get. So, but this was, this was a blast. This was awesome. You're freaking awesome. And we had a great time with you looking forward to, so you said tonight, your performing Palm Beach and tomorrow. West Palm Beach, I got two shows tonight, two shows on Saturday, one show on Sunday.

Starting point is 02:08:17 I don't take the Lord's Day off, dude. Can't stop, won't stop. Yeah, especially I committed your to your fate. I respect that one. That's what I do. As an usher. Yeah, so it's all, it's all an amazing guy. Comedy Jesus respect that I'm not an amazing guy so go to Palm Beach Palm West Palm Beach and tonight to show tomorrow to show and then Sunday he's doing one for the Lord so again Brian thanks for coming up

Starting point is 02:08:36 and Larry guys Brian Kevin have a great weekend everybody bye bye bye bye bye Bye.

PBD Podcast - Comedian Bryan Callen | PBD Podcast | Ep. 159

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