PBD Podcast - Congressional Representative Joe Walsh | PBD Podcast | Ep. 174

Episode Date: July 28, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Congressional Representative Joe Walsh, and Adam Sosnick. TOPICS 0:00 - Start  11:05 - Joe Walsh on why he voted for Joe Biden  21:31 - Does social media control our beliefs?  27:49 - Why did people vote for Biden as an 'Anti-Vote'?  38:41 - Should Trump admit that he 'lost the election'?  44:28 - The difference in policy between Biden & Trump  53:16 - Has Hillary Clinton admitted she lost in 2016?  58:10 - How mainstream media affects our political decisions  1:08:04 - Should Trump has supported Putin?  1:20:20 - Is Joe Walsh a Democrat?  1:26:30 - Patrick Bet-David’s thoughts about shifting between political parties  1:42:25 - Reaction to Fed increasing interest rates by 75 basis points  1:49:38 - Cathie Wood scoops up $50 million of Shopify stock on dip For Joe's podcast "White Flag with Joe Walsh": https://apple.co/3vlj8y1 For Joe's book "F*ck Silence: Calling Trump Out for the Cultish, Moronic, Authoritarian Con Man He Is": https://amzn.to/3zdA1vM Follow Joe on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3zD3WyI Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.   To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail] --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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Beef with Tom Cruise all of a sudden. I just can't watch Tom Cruise. Oh my god. Why does he get into that list? Stop it. It's like Kevin Koch. Top gun. Now you have beef with Kevin Koch?

Kill Walsh. What do you say? God, he has more. They're un-American. Today, our guest today is representative Joe Walsh. He's written a book. What is a book's title by the way? It's a very diplomatic title.

What is a title? Can you tell me the title, Adam? It's a... I know it starts with a word I've never used. I think it's F, the F word, right? I've never used that word before in my life. Tyler? It's called, can you tell us what the title is?

Call on our Trump. F silence. F silence is in. F silence. Yeah. So calling Trump out for his cultish, moronic authoritarian con man he is. Boom.

Former presidential candidate 2020. Yeah. He went from voting for Trump to voting for Biden and not supporting Trump. He's been all over the place. He's not afraid to get in a mix and roul things up. Illinois, eight District Congressman also got a podcast called White Flag with Joe Walsh as well as same title as your book that you got there as well. Okay, a few things you've said.

I just want to kind of preface the podcast so they know Some of your famous quotes. Okay. This guy in the White House stands for everything. I'm against Okay, and you were talking about Trump not Biden Trump is a narcissist guy Obama is a Muslim now he said that years ago, and then you have to kind of Backtrack a little bit every time Trump opens his mouth. He lies. Yeah, I know the scientist deep down inside He's not a trumper if Donald Trump runs for president, no Republican will challenge him for nomination. The Republican party is a cult. Donald Trump is a horrible person. So in other words, you don't say controversial stuff a lot.

You're very diplomatic and chill and easy going. So now that you know who he is, Joe, go ahead and have you on the podcast. It's an honor to be here with both you guys. Yes, great to have you on that. In time. Yeah. Well, now we know Tom knows one lineers from movies. And other specifically, if you're good, man, if you're good, man. So, you know, for the audience that doesn't know, maybe, you know,

give a little bit about your background on, you know, what you did, you ran, why you supported Trump, why you turned against you ran, why you supported Trump, why you turned against him and why you supported Biden and where you are today. So it's a weird, do I need to watch my language? Not at all. Joe, you've never watched your language. Why start today? 60 years old.

Why start now? Stupid question. It's a weird fucking journey that nobody else has been on. I got elected to Congress. I was the big tea party guy. I went there and I raised hell. I'm still a tea party guy. I left Congress. I got booted out of Congress. I voted for Trump in 2016 because I knew why people in this country were pissed off because both parties suck. Our politics is broken. Government's too fucking big. So I understood why Trump

got elected, right? And I voted for him because of that. His people were my people. He gets elected. I start to pay attention to him. And I realize he's an utterly corrupt, criminal, horrible human being. At the time, I'm on the radio when Trump gets elected, 200 stations all over the country. I'm on Fox News every day.

And I begin to speak against Trump. And when you do that as a Republican back then, you're done. So within a couple years, I was done because I just said, I couldn't support this. And then I dedicated myself to doing everything I can to defeat him. And I voted for a Democrat for the first time in my fucking life in 2020, not because I like Biden. He's too old. I don't agree with his policies, but to me, Trump's a danger. So I may, I may politically homeless, still conservative, who just can't stand where my former political party is right now. Do you regret voting for Biden?

No, gosh, no. No, no, no, yeah. You don't regret voting for Biden. Well, yeah, it was an easy vote because, and you may disagree with me, Patrick, but I consider Trump to be an existential threat. So if you're like me and you think that, you gotta vote for the only person who can beat him, even if you don't like him. So, let me ask you, what was the tipping point for you? What did Trump do for you to say? I don't like the sky, boom, I'm flipping.

I screwed up in 2016 because I didn't pay attention to him. What do you mean you didn't pay attention? I didn't, how could you not pay attention to the guy? It might mean you didn't pay it? I didn't how could you not pay? Yeah, it's not. He sucked all the oxygen out of the room. You you were paying attention. No, no, no, no, you chose not to pay attention. I chose not to. Okay. I I didn't like him as man, but I really didn't know that much about him. I never watched the apprentice. But again, remember, I'm a big conservative voice. I'm on the radio all over the country. I can see he's gonna win the Republican nomination.

All my listeners are supporting him. I'm with my listeners in what we need. But I really didn't take him seriously. And by the way, that was a shitty job of mine. I should have. Once he got elected and I started to pay attention to him. And I realized that he lies every fucking time he opens his mouth. And to me, it didn't seem like he had the interest of the country in his,

even care about the country, he only cared about him. The final straw was Helsinki, the summer of 2018, when Donald Trump stood in front of the fucking world and said, I'm with Putin, my own people can go jump. I went on the radio that night and I said, I'm going to do everything I can to make sure he's not reelected. And the minute that happened, I began to lose my radio show. So you said you weren't paying attention to him, but rolling up to the election,

certainly you knew after you got the, because right before the election, the turning point for me realizing how serious it was, wasn't that he won the nomination? What was the contrast, and it wasn't Fox, it was all networks, the contrast between the crowds at Hillary was pulling and the crowds at Trump was pulling it was crazy and at that point my switch flipped in terms of my not Supporting or not supporting but my switch flipped on my my my Vegas odds making Side of my brain. They're like wow this guy could do it

I don't think you will I think there's too much of a machine with Hillary, but he could do it because that was what kind of voter enthusiasm. What was your turning point coming up to the election where you say this might happen? Oh, see, see, see, see, you weren't paying attention to that. And again, it's all relative. Like I didn't pay a lot of attention to specifically him.

Obviously, I'm a major political figure at the time. So I'm paying attention to the fucking race. I knew at the first Republican debate that Trump was going to win the nomination. When Donald Trump stood up and did his thing and you had, look, guys, I don't come from the Republican establishment. I'm a tea party hell-raiser and you had Jeb up on that stage. Looking like yesterday's lunch. Yeah, no inspiration whatsoever Yeah, yeah, Jeb and and Marco and all these guys up on stage sounding like just fucking politicians and Trump gets up there and says

I'm gonna build a fucking wall. I'm keeping these people out blah blah blah and he's throwing insults at people Mm-hmm and all the Republican establishment people were telling me that's horrible. We cannot nominate this guy. But everybody who called into my radio show said, Joe, it's about fucking time. I knew then Trump was going to win the nomination. I think I knew a couple months before the general election that he was going to beat Hillary because Hillary sucked. Hillary was the poster child.

Look, we live in a populous moment, guys. Americans are rightly pissed off at our politics. Hillary was the poster child for establishment politics. I knew he was gonna win two minutes before. I felt like he'd, two months before. I felt like he could. Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, so 2018, when did they start

talking about the Russia hoax? When did that start? That started right off the bat. No, 26 immediately. Okay. Right. So that was a disappointment too. Yeah. So, so, so, so you, so that, the that at all, were you ever like, if somebody were to go out to see all you're recording on the radio, would there ever find a time that you believe the Russia hoax was taking place? Did you ever buy into that? No, like let's just say we do an audit right now and it comes back and it says here's what Joe was said about Russia gate He believed it. He said yeah, he had the collusion. We should put him in jail. We should impeach them What any of those snippets be found of you saying that? No, no

Well, I actually I don't know where the questions coming from because I generally I believe and I think it's been a long time since I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world.

I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world.

I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. I've been in the world. and then it became public, like Russia did this. Trump's first instinct was to get pissed off about it. Trump just got fucking elected. And our intelligence people come out with, I mean, everybody around Trump knows

that Russia fucked with that election to help get Trump elected. The only one who couldn't admit, it's not saying that, stop it. It's true, stop. You can't say that. So, it's okay, so. Like this did.

I know you can't say that, but it doesn't mean it makes it true. You can say that. You can't say that. So, so like this did, but I know you can't say that, but it doesn't mean it makes it true. You can say that and make a statement like that. But to interject, there's two separate things you're talking about. Did Russia metal in the election with bots and Twitter? That is separate. Versus. It was did Trump collude with Russia? And it's fake.

Those are two separate things. Did Russia have bots and Twitter and all? Yes. Did Trump collude? there's two separate things did russia have bots and twitter and all yes did trump collude that's a separate question and that's essentially what pat saying you're saying that's what was my part of but that wasn't true but is pat acknowledging that russia fucked in the election i will acknowledge that u.s. has participated in every election they can in the world and i would acknowledge that china russia and any major empire in america in the world. And I would acknowledge that China, Russia, and any major empire in America in the world

has been involved in other elections. I would say everybody does that. So what that means doesn't give you a statement a lot of credibility. What I will say is the following. Was there ever a time where you try to get closer with Trump to get a job on his administration or you wanted to meet with him

or you wanted to have any kind of a, you know, hey, why don't you come on my radio show and he turned you down multiple times or he didn't offer a job where you got offended. We've ever offended. There was a time, yeah, yeah, because remember Pat, I'm a, like I'm a conservative, I'm not a Republican establishment type.

Your tea party, Michelle Bachman, like your tea party. Bachman, me Yeah, I mean we Alan West Justin Amat we were the guys. Yes, but the problem is You you guys are like fossils at this point, but I want to hear the answer I want your sense. No, it's so so look what I said here's let me remind you that I asked Were you ever offended because he didn't give you any job on his administration or didn't want to get on your show. Was there anything behind closed doors that he didn't keep us promised you that offended you to say if you don't do this, I'm going to turn against you and you did.

Two things. You're clearly thinking to something so I can't wait to hear it. And just again, I apologize because I've said a gazillion fucking things and I've probably forgotten half of what I said. I remember wanting him to succeed. I remember having friends in the administration and when he first got elected and Sean Spicer was just a piece of shit and he sent Spicer out there to lie every fucking day. I remember talking to a few people saying, my God, Trump needs an honest, good, tough spokesperson. I'll become Trump's spokesperson. I forgot who I said that to, but early on in the administration, I said, it would be

great to be that for Trump. That's the only one I think I can remember. But yeah, initially, because I knew why Trump got elected. His people were my people. I wanted him to succeed. Yeah, but so then that reveals something. So because that doesn't impact at all. Give me a break, Joe. So, fuck no, don't give me a break.

I've been patented to fucking hell. And I say what I call you. My choice, though. My choice, though. Exactly. You chose to do this. It's not like, it's nobody 40. This is America. Nobody can force you to. No, I chose to do this. It's not like it's nobody 40. This is America. Nobody can

force you to. No, I chose to do what I did. And your choice was, hey, I think, you know, because what I think of you, I think of a mooch and mooch is a friend. I like mooch. Mooch and I have spent time and we've had them on, but similar situation, maybe mooch did get the job and you didn't get the job, but you got the job and then 11 days later and seven days later, and that's Trump's challenge. Because- It's about scare Mochi.

Yeah, of course, you know what I'm talking about, so you know, all of a sense, like, hey, you're fired. I mean, that's a public humiliation when you do that. Trump could have handled that in a very different way to fire a guy that quickly after you hired him. There's responsibility in the person who hired. So if you fire somebody that quickly, you didn them, there's responsibility in the person who hired.

So if you fire somebody that quickly, you didn't do enough due diligence to hire the person initially. There's responsibility on both sides. But there are a lot of people on both ends of the aisle, on the left and the right. A lot of times when somebody flips on Biden or you flip on Obama A lot of times when somebody flips on Biden or you flip on Obama Or you flip on Bush or Trump or whoever Behind closed doors there was conversation to say hey if you back me up I'm gonna figure out a way to get you job win Quink and then they don't and you're like flipping out saying I can't believe you didn't do this. I'm gonna go and I'm gonna do this So those are the types of stories that the public never knows about. We don't know about.

I'm not telling you there's credibility behind my, no, there's not. Yeah. I mean, everybody, by the way, just so you know, Pat, everybody in my position who came out and said, I'm against Trump, they did it for their own reasons. Maybe some people did it for a money, for a gig, for a job. I can, I don't know why Mooch did what he did. I'm telling you that I came, when I came out five years ago and said, I can't support this, I did it for no other reason

than I believe that. That can be possible. Bullshit. Can be possible. Bullshit. You ran two years later for president. That can't be possible. You were smart.

I ran against him. That's the point. So you have to come out five years ago to go and say, I can't stand this because you're thinking the Republican party's divided and you're thinking you're going to get the side of the problem. No, no, no, that's wrong. I never I never said and I don't believe the Republican

is party is divided. It's never been divided. It's Trump's party. I've acknowledged that. Publicly. By the way, can I hear myself a little bit more? Yeah. Because I'm an old man in that. Lincoln Project. So go to Lincoln Project. Talk to the Lincoln Project people. Yeah, but they're not me. I'm not saying you're Lincoln Project. Of course not.

But the Lincoln Project people are against Trump and that was a community that people, some people banked on. They said, okay, if I think I was in my community. people are against Trump and that was a community that people, some people banked on. They said, okay, if I think I wasn't my community. Well, the link is more your community. No, I've got nothing to do with it. It's more your community than Marga. No, they don't, well, hold on.

I don't have anything. Guys, this is a big, diverse world. A lot of people support Trump for a lot of reasons. A lot of people oppose him for a lot of reasons. I don't do anything with the Lincoln project. And by the way, some of those guys have enriched themselves. Look at my tax returns. I have not, Pat, let me just get this out of the fucking way now, because I've been through fucking hell for five years. I did, and I, and I, and no fucking regrets. And I would do it again and look my friend,

you can disagree with what I did and everything I've said. But I know regrets, I did what I believed, okay? But when I did that, I knew I was going to lose everything. And did you know, I did, yes, yes. I lost my radio show. I lost my livelihood. I lost my source of income. I lost. Let me continue and then jump on me. I lost any hope of a future in the Republican party. I lost ever being on Fox News again. And I've received death threats on a weekly basis because of what I did. You don't sound like a dumb guy, so I have a hard time buying that. You don't sound like

a, let me just give you my position. I'll give it to you. I'll take you out to my position. And by the way, you're on a podcast where we talk, you can push back, you can call me out. No, we're already doing it. We're having a join this. I fucking like this. Yeah, so this is, this is is this is how I like this. This is why we shut the close. We can't even run out by the security out. You're not going to leave this freaking wall. You're like an SNM guy. But let me say this to him. Okay, there is no way I sit there and I listen to a brain that works as fast as yours does. You're witty. You're going, you're not dumb. Okay. Let's go set that aside. So the dumb parts are not aside. But, you know, maybe the strategy you took, there was no strategy,

wasn't the best strategy. I, hello, I agree. A man, brother, I concur. Yeah. It was financially and every other which way, it was a stupid thing to do. But I did it my friend. I don't add them, I don't know why this is hard. And maybe you just don't believe this. I did it because I believed it was the right thing to do. Why is that? Can't, can't. You're saying there was no strategy,

you just went with your gut. Completely. Okay, but you also was saying that you have no regrets. No, I must have some regrets. Joe. Doubt, no regrets. No, I mean Adam want me to say yeah, I I took a big hit I Could have I could be back in Congress. I could have a show on Fox News

I'd be on 500 radio stations around the country the easy by the way pat in Adam in my position The easiest fucking thing to do is to say every day that Donald Trump walks on water. If all you care about is clicks, ratings, getting elected, that's the easiest thing to do. I couldn't do that because I just didn't believe it. That's all, Adam. I don't, that's all. Yeah, I think sometimes for all of us, everybody, sometimes the masses can confuse you. Sometimes the masses make you think you're wrong, and it's a very, very hard to stand up against masses.

The masses can get up and they can say, let me tell you who this person really is, and you kind of send their saying, I don't know if that guy's that guy, let me tell you who this person really is. And you kind of send their saying, I don't know if that guy's that guy. Let me tell you this person is after a million times of saying that, you may sit there and say, maybe I'm the dummy. Maybe that guy is really a bad person.

And then you get recruited into the masses. The hardest thing to do in life is to not get recruited into the masses. It's one of the hardest things you can do because you're alone, you have to stand alone and that is not easy to do. So during that time, you are not the only person that did what they did.

There's a lot of people that they did that turn against the sky. And then when the Durham report came out, they're like, oh shit, okay, so I gotta spend this and I gotta say, we know Russia was involved in the election. Yeah, they've always been involved. Can I make one collection, please? Sure, please.

Go for it. I don't know of anybody else who came from the hard core mega tea party world. High profile guy like me who left that world. Justin Amash. Justin Amash bailed in 2017. Hold on. Just an Amash never voted for Trump. Justin Amash never supported Trump. I supported Trump voted for him and cheerly did for him during that. I love Justin. Justin. Isn't he a libertarian today? Yeah. He left the Republican Party. But Justin to his credit was a never-trumper from the beginning. All these Lincoln Project guys and most of these never-trumpers, they were never hardcore mega-t party Trump supporters to begin with.

I left that world. I don't know if anybody else who did that. That's all. Pat, what? Like, essentially what Joe's saying is... That he's not buying. No, I don't know if he's not buying it. I think he's just pushing back and this is fun.

I think we're all having fun here right now. I think he's just pushing back. And this is fun. I think we're all having fun here right now. Yes. I think you are having fun in a weird way. I'm not weird. We need more of this, by the way. Pat, my question to you is, Joe sang you went with what he believed in.

Yeah. And there's a level of respect to that. But what should he have done? Looking back in hindsight, if he truly thinks that Trump is a narcissist, con man, psychopath, all the words you've used, what should he have done? Should he have just like towed the company line?

First of all, let's qualify these words. Narcissist, sociopath, psychopath, whatever, bipolar, hypomanic, take all these words. There has never been a president that ran for president that didn't think about himself so much that they were not a narcissist. So let's set that part aside. No one's running to think,

I'm gonna be the leader of the free world and you're very, just a regular, no, no. So let's set that part aside. I would say perhaps in the later half of the 20th century. No, listen, the moment media came out, you're not gonna become a president But that anybody runs for Congress has narcissism. Yeah, you have to get so but Trump's level of narcissism is a whole not a fucking chance But I agree with what you're saying, but it's it's not off the charts guys

It's not off the only difference between Trump and everybody else's Trump can't hide it others can okay So don't get twisted like these other guys nobody else is putting their names across buildings like Trump is okay I'm gonna say I think all the congressmen are all narcissists of course you need to have a level a certain level ego to say I'm the man for the job I'm telling you right now the part that we all have a hard time is when the masses confuse us and we bought into something that was a lie all along.

Who are you talking about the masses, though? Who's the masses? Masses? Like, masses? Every single mainstream media, every day talked about that he colluded in Russia. That's the masses. Everywhere you went, everybody said that was the case.

Everybody you ever spoke to, that's the case. They started flipping people on his own side to start believing maybe there wasn't involvement in there. Everybody, so that is the masses. The minority was that sitting there saying, I don't know man, I think we gotta kinda like, you know, isn't the system innocent until proven guilty? Is it guilty until proven innocent?

What is the system here? And then that became the MO against who? Everybody, Kavanaugh, him, cleanse everybody, it's guilty until proven innocent. That system's not cool to approach. So yes, the masses. No, not disagreeing with that. The masses, the masses confused so many voters.

And voters sat and said, maybe they're right. Maybe they're right. Look, I so when my parents got a divorce, both sides told me bad things about the other side. Okay, my mother's family would say, your dad is this, your dad is that, your dad is this, your dad is that, your dad is this, and I'm in the middle,

I'm like, no, he's not. No, he's not, but they said it every fricking day. No, he's not, and my dad's family, your mom is this, your mom is that, your mom is this, your mom is this, my mom. I said, no, I know this about my mom and I know this about my dad. You ain't going to convince me on all the other stuff. So I finally have to say, listen, I don't really care about you guys that much. I care about my mom, I care about my dad. I don't care about you. Your secondary to me, my mom and my

dad matter. All of you guys are secondary. If you want to have any kind of a relationship with me, you better respect my mom. You better respect my day. If you can't do it, don't call me. Just don't talk to me. I don't need a friendship with you. I don't need a relationship with you. This is family you're talking to. I need a relationship with my parents. I don't need a relationship with you. I'm going to be okay. What's the moral of the story here? It's very, very hard to be able to sit there and process issues from both sides and still not let your emotions get caught up. I think Joe's emotions got caught up. That's all I'm saying.

But go back to my initial question. If you were Joe's consigliery, like if you were Joe's biz doc to you, what would you have told him? Take a month before you make that kind of a big decision. Take a lot longer and process it with a bunch of other people before you make a statement like that because you actually have info on that. Well, it sounds like it took him two years to make my decision. Take a lot longer and process it with a bunch of other people before you make a statement like that because you actually have information. It sounds like it took him two years to make that decision.

That's not how this works, man. That's not how this thing works. Because, you know, I get that. All I'm saying is, behind closed doors, you have to process that with people that you respect to say, here's where I'm at. And you can't just have all the people behind closed doors, people that are 100% agree with you. No, you, you, you, you, and again, this is the doors. People that are 100% agree with you. Time out. And again, this is the part. I don't know because I don't know Joe that way.

All I'm saying is when you jump like that. Time out. But again, to Adam's point, Pat, the fucking jump didn't happen in a night. When Trump got elected in 16 and I'm supporting him. I've got an uneasy feeling and it took the course of two years before I finally said that's it and so you know my wife, my lovely wife, who's listening to us right now in many ways begged me not to. Most of it, my advisors begged me not to. Most of my political consigliories begged me not to. Every general manager of every fucking radioigliore's beg me not to every general manager of every

fucking radio station I was on beg me to stop. So people were in your saying, Joe, don't go against them. I can't. I don't do this. I can't move. I can't. But you did it anyway. Um, Michelle Bachman, Jim Jordan, many of my former colleagues in Congress, Mark Meadows

called me, beg me to stop. I can't think of anybody Pat who advised me to do what I did. So I was in a room for two years with people saying, come on Joe, what the fuck? We can ride this out. Yeah, Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows, people called me privately. I know Trump's a fucking ass, but you know what? We can get through this. We can get by it.

Buh-buh-buh, hang in there. The party's gonna be fine. So I didn't have people begging me to do this. But you saw some kind of an opportunity to do that. No, no, no, stop. No, stop. Hey. Let me, by the way, I respect the hell out of you,

and I love your background, and I love what you have accomplished We all have strengths and flaws. I was not born with a fucking money gene I've never been driven about for a by money Much to my wife's chagrin. So look I'm a cause guy if you look through my life So look, I'm a cause guy. If you look through my life, generally everything I've done, it's been cause driven and I do what I believe is right, no matter where I'm gonna sit financially. You're a social worker at one point.

I was a social worker. I was a teacher. I've never been driven by money. So go back to the question when you say, I don't regret voting for Biden. So, for one reason, so if the only reason is I want to Trump to lose. I didn't vote for Biden because I like Biden. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but And we've had this conversation this while many times. I think the anti-vote is an emotional vote. I think the, I'm being straight up with you. Every vote is. No, not necessarily.

I think most votes are. You're right. Most votes are. But I think the logical vote is more the four vote. The emotional vote is the anti-vote. Bullshit. I think so. Great. We can debate that and talk about it.

I think the logic, for example, you hire somebody in a company and you bring the guy on board and you sit there and you say, well, let me tell you man, I really like this guy. If I really liked a person I was hiring, I'd hire my niece, it's 14 years old, I like her a lot,

I'd hire my nephew, but I'm hiring somebody to I like her a lot. I'd hire my nephew. But I'm hiring somebody to get the job done, okay? So when you hire somebody to get the job done, you don't say, oh my gosh, I'd love to go get hammered with the sky and party with the sky and play dominos with the sky. You sit there and you say, this guy's gonna get the job done. Period, okay?

So if you can make, and by the way, I've made the mistake of the other way around. I spent the first 10 years of my career in sales working with people I only liked. I spent the last 10 years of my business working with people that I knew could get the job done, not just people that I liked all the time. Now if I can like them and they can get the job done, guess what? We got a friendship. We got a relationship and that's life long. But I think when you say the only reason I voted for Biden is the against vote, I think that's where the emotion is.

I don't think you're alone, by the way. I think a lot of people voted the way you do. I think you could have voted for Trump or voted against him based on emotion or based on reason, whatever. Statistically, the data shows that people generally vote for president, it tends to be an emotional vote. When generally vote for president, it tends to be an emotional vote. When you vote for your member of Congress

or your mayor or your state rep, it tends to be more, you know, what are you doing about the potholes? But generally when Americans vote for president, it's an emotional vote. Pat, you talk about getting the job done. Look, again, I'm a conservative. I disagree with almost everything Biden's done.

There were things Trump did that I liked policy wise. There were things he did I didn't like. But the job of a president is to do a lot of things and he did a lot of things bad. He didn't get the job. Such as making sure the most important job of a president is to make sure that the laws in the United States are faithfully executed. To not be above the law. Donald Trump repeatedly acted like he was above the law. Every time Obama, when Obama was president, and we didn't pass a fucking law, and Obama didn't like it, what would we always criticize Obama for?

He's getting more and more. The pen, the phone, Trump did the same fucking thing. He couldn't get his wall past money first wall passed Through the appropriate process so just find a fuck sign a fucking executive order trump did a number of those They both do I mean both sides do it, but trump did a lot of that as well That's a pretty weak argument on what things he didn't do right what else you know what he didn't do right what He didn't defend the United States of America bullshit Bullshit. Oh my God. Like, oh, give me. By the way, you want to get back into policy. Yeah. His tariffs, I think were horrible for America, a horrible

for America to farmers to China to know to Americans. Americans paid for those tariffs. But you're talking about the Chinese tariffs. But, but, but minute, okay. So, so far, we have the following. Let's kind of look, because what I wanna get to, we've identified an isolated couple concerns here. One concern, which you just were straight up about, it's like, listen, it was an anti-vote, phenomenal. Emotional vote, let's set that aside. Not emotional.

It's an anti-vote, anti-vote is emotional. Yeah, so my interpretation, that's my interpretation. On the other side side on the logical side I ask about policies you said the law okay, he thought he was above the law. Okay, everybody does executive Orders while you know why not done with them. Yeah, so number two number two was you said He didn't defend America. He didn't defend America and you say tariffs. He didn't defend tariffs Which part of it? You know, it's for foreign issues. But for if you want to actually go deeper, I would love to see you go deeper on those two topics.

Go deeper on those two topics. A.A. I believe in free trade. And so when we, when, when Trump engaged in tariff wars with countries all over the world, those came back and bit Americans. Americans paid for those tariffs. American farmers were devastated by those tariffs. That's just one particular show. That's a statement. No, no, no, no, no, it's not a statement. It is a statement. Americans, some others wrote a word and here's what you're saying to the election. You got to say that. This is a long podcast. The American people were hurt by those tariffs. American farmers went belly up because of those tariffs.

They ended up paying for those tariffs. For which tariffs? And then, on China. On China, specifically. Also some of your media. So let me ask you a question. So let's look at the alternative. So what do we do?

So let's just say we do a deal together. Okay. I'm the better customer. You need me more than I need you. Who should make more money? I don't know what you're saying. Okay, and in structure in a business, okay. If in a business, we're doing business,

I don't need your business, but you need my business. Who should get the better deal? The person who needs the other person, I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nope, let me ask, let me say to one more, the one more time here. That's me, I'm slow, I'm no. Nope, let me ask, let me say to one more, the one more time here. That's me, I'm slow, I'm not picking up. I totally get, I'll say it even slower, okay?

So there's two companies doing business, okay? You desperately need the other company's business. The other company, with or without you, they're doing fine, okay? Who should bow down to whose policies on what to negotiate with? I have to give the better deal to the guy I need as long as I don't put myself out of business. There is no question about it.

Yeah, of course. Perfect. So if that's the case, who needed who? US or China? You're saying China needed US more than we needed China? It's not even a question on who needed who more. China needed US. US did a knee-China, US helped China. China without US would not be anything close

to what it is today. So we went from not telling the history of how much US contributed towards China's success and now China is a behemoth and our deals still favor China more than they favor us and they're doing whatever the hell They want to do because politicians keep letting get away with everything. That's what we want to do. No problem Here's a tariff These are these are our guidelines. What are you gonna do right? You're gonna sit down again

But I got suck. I let's keep doing this. Oh, it's okay. We're gonna be doing it So from a businessman standpoint, I totally understand what he did and quite frankly, none of the presidents, both on the left and the right knew how to deal with China and he was the first person that he could do it. So yeah, when you do a decision like that with tariffs, unfortunately, I said this on the podcast on Tuesday and I want to kind of hear your thoughts on this and what you're going to say is the following. I don't think all the policies that America truly needs today, if a president

ran with those policies, zero percent chance they would win. Let me say it one more time. If a person ran for office today, would policies that America actually needs, not what the voter will vote for, those are two different things. Well, you got to explain what those policies are. First of all, what we need is less entitlement. What we need is, yeah, we need less entitlement. What we need is a keep going. We need this military expenditure to be put more into cyber, bio warfare protection

that we need other areas. I'm with you. What we need is to give incentives to businesses to keep creating jobs, not getting in their way. Bang. What we need is an area of deregulation that's preventing the small business owners to agree because a barrier of entry is a

I can't agree. You have 50 different things that we got. The pad, I agree. 49 of them. But what I'm trying to tell you is I'm going to keep going with this and I think he was the first guy that was able to do that.

But sometimes policies you make, we were disclos of breaking China. We were disclos of breaking Iran. Disclose. We were disclos of breaking Iran. We were disclos of breaking Iran. This close. We were this close of breaking Iran. We were this close of breaking China. This close. And then what happens?

Boom. Someone ate a bat. Huh? Then someone had to eat a bat. If he had another turn. Outside the Wuhan. If he had, if he had another term, if he had another term,

China would be in a bad shape today. Iran would be in a bad shape today. Iran would be in a bad shape today. And America would have been the leader of the world, but because he was only one termer, guess what? China is now the leader. And you got all these other guys that are stepping on that. Let me ask you a question. Is there anything Trump did during four years that you didn't like? I think he, so, okay, so let's talk about that. It's a very good question that you're asking. And I talk about this regularly.

Or anything you did that disappointed you. So, he calls him out quite regularly, but go ahead. I don't know what words in your mouth. I tell you right now. So, for example, a lot of people in business and disagree with what I say. I have enemies in business for many different reasons. I'm not slowing down, I'm continuing, I'm growing.

So people will say stuff about me. And they'll say, let me tell you Patrick this, I'm Patrick that, I'm Patrick this, I'm continuing, I'm growing. So people will say stuff about me and they'll say, let me tell you Patrick, there's some Patrick, that or Patrick, there's some Patrick that. And I watch them like, interesting. I know. Okay, cool. That's cool. 99% of what people says about me, I don't need to go and defend completely. His biggest flaw is he has to defend every accusations of him. When you do that, it weakens you. It doesn't strengthen you. So, for example, take it or cut Obama.

What Obama did? Obama got a million accusations. What would Obama do? He would just go dance, dance, dance. For your policies. For your policies, but he knew how to dance with the criticism. Trump doesn't know how to do that. Now, some people may say, but that's why I like him.

Great. He's a New York guy. You know, for many years, we said a New York politician will never be a president because America's not ready for New York president. Chris Christie, we're not ready for some like this. There's too much in your face. Okay, Jersey, New York, whatever you want to call it, right? So for me, it was that standpoint that he picked the fight with literally, right? So for me, it was that standpoint that he picked the fight with literally right. Everybody, he could have avoided 99% of the fights and just imposed the

enemies could have been China, the enemy could have been Iran, the enemy could have been mainstream media, the enemy could have been those guys, not everybody else. Hey, Pat. He would have gone more done. Yeah, he had New York brash, but he had California bruise ability. Everybody, he's a fucking pussy. Yeah. Bottom line is he is. Whereas Obama came from Chicago for somebody hit you, you kind of roll with it.

You're saying Trump's a pussy? I completely, he's a coward. Oh, he's a bully. All bullies are coward. I don't disagree on the bully side, but I don't know about the coward side. He's an absolute coward. Let me ask you this.

Did you like the fact that Donald Trump lied about the 2020 election, refused to concede, refused to participate in the peaceful transfer of power, and then led to what happened on January 6th? So let me tell you how I'm wired. You got to know how I'm wired, okay? When the Russia investigation started on let me tell you how I'm wired. You gotta know how I'm wired, okay. When the Russia investigation started on him, this is how I'm wired. I don't know. If they're right, that's dirty.

I'm talking 2020. But I'm gonna explain to how I'm wired. So when they said he's doing this, he's doing that, he's doing this, I said, if this is true, do this ain't gonna be a good look. And Republicans are gonna lose the vote for 20 years. This could be a goal water type of a thing

and could get very, very ugly for the Republican party. Okay, cool. So, 2020 election, our goal came out how long ago? 30 years after our goal happened, which was when, 1978, 1979. When did the movie come out? CIA has a basic 30 year rule or whatever the timeline is, I got a 20 or 30-year rule, right? 30 years later, we really found out what happened at Argonne, okay? So the election, what happened? Yeah, I think we're really going to find out what happened

in 2020 election in 2050. So do you don't necessarily believe Biden won fair and square? No, I don't believe, I don't believe either one of them because I'm not on the inside so for me to give you a hundred percent answer I can't give hundred percent answers and things I'm not involved in I can give you a hundred percent answers and things I'm involved in I'm not in the White House, okay, yeah, so you don't know if the 2020 election was legit Do you like the fact that Trump says it was stolen? I think I think okay, so let me, you ever lost publicly? Yes. Okay. How much does it suck? It sucks. It sucks. Okay. Alright. So like you've been saying, the last six years, you've been losing. It sucks. Right? Whatever.

Since 2018, four years, your life, all this other stuff, it sucks. It's humiliating. Nobody likes it. None of us like it. I don't like it. You don't like it. Trump doesn't like it. Nobody. But what do real men do? on one second hang on one. So I'm gonna give you my answer. So Hillary loses 16. What does she say? Oh, it was it was Russia. I would I would have never Patrick. You're not being truthful with your audience. I'm gonna give you my answer. But you're not that's not true. But that is true. No, it's not the first thing she did. No, it's not the first thing she did on the view and everywhere else was she pet that I love your brother, but that's not right. The first you're saying she never said that the morning after the 2016 election, the first fucking thing Hillary Clinton did was go on national television and

Concee. Oh, that's what you're asking. Congratulations from no, and often. I'll work with two different questions. These are two different questions. No, but you just said that was the first thing Hillary did. But these are two different questions. Let me give you, I'll give you the answer on both of them. Number one, the moment Hillary law still having fun by the moment Hillary law. Hillary said there was the bots that helped Trump get elected. You can't deny that. Did she concede that night with the phone call? Let me tell you.

No, she didn't. Paul De Pedesta was in front of every microphone and she had the phone call. What me tell you. No, she didn't. Paul De Pedesta was in front of every microphone. And she said the phone call. What do you mean? She went on national television the morning after the election, brother. No, I'll tell you. No, that's not. No, in front of the country. Oh my gosh, you're not going to let me finish in this part. Go ahead. I'll tell you one part that so in regards to Russia, she said that constantly for years. Now what I didn't like about what Trump did, here's what I didn't like about what Trump did. The next president inauguration, whether they cheated or not, what are you doing not being there?

I don't like that. If a country has traditions, traditions are above you. You know what I like about what Michael Jordan said one time by LeBron James? Here's what Michael Jordan said about LeBron James. LeBron James made a comment. He says, I believe there's one jersey in the NBA that needs to be retired forever, the number 23. They asked, you're from Illinois, so you know the story.

They asked Michael Jordan, what do you think about this? You know what he said? He says, no one man is bigger than the NBA. I think Trump thought he's bigger than America. I don't think he is. I don't think anybody is. So maybe that's your way of saying that you're disappointed that Trump didn't put the country's interest before his own.

The traditions. Forget about the traditions. Forget about the traditions for a minute, Pat. Put that what's best for the country is, even if you got questions about the juicins for a minute, Pat. Put that what's best for the country is, even if you got questions about the election, there was an election, Biden was declared the winner. I don't like it, I'm fucking pissed off, it was stolen from me, but America comes first,

our democracy comes first, it sucks. Biden won, I'll help him with the transition, I'll show up as a inauguration, so the American people can see that this thing still kind of works You're disappointed that Trump didn't do that one million percent. Thank you One one make sure and by the way, I've been saying this for a long time. I don't think there's a debate on one million percent I I I Joe didn't know that he won't hear that I want to do what I'm just a few of some of it.

I'm living in America. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm nothing in America. There's two ways I view myself. One, I'm one person. You're just one person. You just want what you can't really make an impact. I know for a fact I can make an impact. But I also think from the other side of the bipolar relationship,

I'm just, if I die tomorrow, world's gonna continue. You know, Steve Jobs was a massive guy. He died. We moved on. When you and I die, we're gonna move on. This has been said in a lot of different scripture, a lot of good books, and you can read about it. As much of an important person we think we're going to move on, and the world's going to move on with us. I don't disagree with that part, but go back to logic. Policies,

policies. You still have to make an argument for the policies. You got Trump's policies. Take Trump out. Take Trump's method of communication out, take Trump's policies than I am to Biden's policies. I made my decision that Trump's threat to the rule of law in democracy, and I think it played out during the 20 election, to me was of greater concern than the policy differences. Hang on, which is why, go ahead, Tom.

Can we address that? Oh, go. You're talking about the rule of law. So do you believe that Joe Biden legitimately won the election? policy differences. Hang on. Which is why go ahead, Tom. Can we address that? Oh, go. You're talking about the rule of law. So do you believe that Joe Biden legitimately won the election? Yeah. So we're not going to talk about the fact that they changed voting laws that they allowed without approval from state congressional boards that they allowed.

Mail and voting that we had the least number of attracted votes ever in American history with the highest amount of mail and ballots. They eliminated voter signatures, Mark Zuckerberg dumped how many hundreds of million dollars into creating his own voting laws essentially, all this stuff, right? So Donald Trump, two things can be true at once. Donald Trump can be incorrect at the voting machines were hacked, etc., etc. While at the same time saying that the rules and the laws were messed with because of COVID. And also, so it was not Donald Trump who locked down the entire American population.

It was not Donald Trump who let the summer of love riots go on and happen. It's not Donald Trump who accepted it 10% from the big like all these things are coming out. So where shit like that always happens, but you made a great point. And this is why Trump is so fucking stupid. If Donald Trump, my friend, had said what you said, that, oh my God, we've got states that have changed the rules and we're making it much more liberal to vote by mail.

Oh my gosh. If Trump had focused on stuff like that, instead of saying, it was stolen voter fraud, Trump could have made a credible case. So, but can two things not be true at once? Donald Trump can be pompous and arrogant, and as Pat said, show it off more than the other. Like, let's not forget Barack Obama is building a $486 million

plaza to himself in Chicago. He wrote an 800-page autobiography. Hillary Clinton, in 2022, just came out and read her election speech, okay? And they spent, so every president is narcissistic. But at the same time, Donald Trump is not a threat to democracy. The Republican Party is not a threat to democracy. It's not the Republican Party that has a wide open border

with three million, and then it's cross. That's what makes this a cool country because you and I can disagree on that. We were living in a once in a lifetime pandemic health crisis, so some states made it easier for people to vote by mail. You can have a problem with that, but then have that fucking discussion and talk about that. And that's how it should have been talked about. I tend to believe, right, in 2020, and I and in the middle of a once in a lifetime pandemic,

states, because a lot of older people did not want to go anywhere in person to vote, states should do whatever they can to make it easier for people to vote in a health crisis like that. Trump, if he had been smart, would have championed that kind of cause. And by the way, guys, if Trump had been smart when have championed that that kind of cause. And by the way guys

If Trump had been smart when we were hit by COVID once COVID hit I remember turning to people I knew saying this this could be a great opportunity for Trump He can lead the country through this. This is like we're at war against a virus But he just wasn't capable of doing that But I also don't believe that accurate. That's accurate. Florida closed for two weeks. Two weeks, I was here the entire time I closed. And Florida was literally middle of the country

in terms of COVID death rates. So I'm not talking about that and I'm not disagreeing with you. And if I had been a governor of a state, I would have been much more like governor DeSantis and Florida than governor Newsom in California. I agree with you on that. That's a separate issue.

I would not have locked down shit. I'm not a... So, I'm not a live. I'm not a damn... Back to Pat's point, thanks, Tyler. Thank you. The debate that we have all the time that I catch a lot of flock from is policies versus personality. Pat has a very unique ability to disregard all the BS

that comes from a shitty personality. And I do think that Trump is a lot of what you said. But Pat has a unique ability to say, yeah, yeah. He fights with enemies too much. He says things that are horrible. He probably shouldn't do that. He's a bully. But I have the ability to just focus on policies.

And that's how you can kind of grapple through a lot of what the disgust that people have with Donald Trump. It sounds like you have a, I remember when you went on Bill Maher and he's like, let's go down the list here buddy, right? Okay, judges, you agree with that boom, right? Pipelines, you agree with that, boom, right? You wanna end Obamacare, boom, all right,

we agree with that. Tax cuts, boom, and like all the policies, 90%, you agree with it, just that you couldn't get through his disgusting personality. Yeah, I love you, Adam. It ain't personality, but you're right. I probably agreed with 80% of what Trump did policy wise, which is pretty damn good.

It's not just Trump's policy. I'm sorry. I, it's excuse me, personality. It, I, is he an ass? Is he a bully? Is he a coward? I believe all of that shit.

I don't care. I do care about that, but I don't. When you act like you're above the law, when you abuse the Constitution, when you side with Russia over your own country, when you get the head of Ukraine on the phone and say, do me a fucking political figure favor and dig up dirt on the guy I'm probably gonna run against

next year, that's an abuse of power, that's an abuse of the powers of your office. That's got nothing to do with, and Pat, you can disagree with me on that stuff. That's not personality stuff to me. He's abusing the powers of his office. That's my objection to Trump. He acts like he's above, he did act like he's above the law.

I'm sorry, I thought your pause so at the end I didn't do Roll on you. I did No, I did pause. All right We're talking when you talk about policies here my wife's a teacher and We run into a lot of very liberal traditional union teachers. Yes, you know and but are wonderful people dedicated Educators and what's interesting is we've had this policy discussion And it goes like this Do you think Trump's policies would have been better?

For the country right now and you have people who made the anti vote and In a small room without people getting upset, you know, they'll, well, yeah, I can kind of agree with that. And I'm like, okay, so was there an unintended consequence to your anti-vote? Yeah, there kind of was. Oh, yeah. And, okay, so you, you saw, but if I voted to keep those policies, we didn't know Biden was gonna do this.

We didn't know Biden was gonna do that. Okay, so you voted the anti-vote and you Accepted that there is unknown about what those policies could look like now versus the known Policies that we're gonna be there and I take you back to Pelosi herself who was at odds over the healthcare bill with Obama and Said its own record. Just remember I were to be here 36 years, he's going to be here up to 8. So there is an attitude about Congress about how long we're going to be here and how long

we have to deal with any particular president. And so even Congress goes that way, but I think this is the way I think about it. I think that policies would have been better for America. And yes, there's the pompous part. I don't agree with everything that you said, but there was such unknown on the other side. And I thought COVID and everything was a dangerous moment. And to go from known policies to unknown policies,

America has the unintended consequence that it voted for. I knew, again, just speaking for myself, when I made that vote, I said publicly, I know that I'm going to disagree with most of what Joe Biden does. I knew that. It was a rat. It was a conscious decision. Am I?

And be the economic recipient living in the country under those policies. Completely. By the way, your best friend here said this, if you can look at this, Hillary Clinton said Trump is an illegitimate president and this is September of 2019. That's interesting. She's a sweetheart. There's still a little hold on a minute. Got a lot of that. Oh, yeah, that's three years after the election. Yeah. What do you think about that? That's not right off the bat. And she's still saying it three years later. What a, what a irresponsible woman to say something like that. You don't like this kind of stuff, right? Well, she shouldn't be doing this.

So if that's irresponsible, everything Trump said about Biden is, no, what I'm trying to say, no, right? What I'm trying to say to you, that is irresponsible. Okay. So she said that. Trump's, she said that three years after the election. That's the point that that that kind of hurts your argument though. No, it doesn't.

Yeah, your argument is Trump was saying that a year later, six months later. She's saying that till today. Trump's still saying that. And Trump will say until he dies, the election. But why does her stuff not get censored? But God forbid somebody on the right says

that it's illegitimate that's not okay. Tell me how that's okay, but the other one's not okay. There's a difference. And by the way, that's not okay. And I've called that out and I'll continue to call it out. Right. But you didn't even know what three years you looked at it and you're like, but this was,

you until you realized that it was 19. Because what I knew was this. When Hillary lost the following morning, she conceded, let me finish, she conceded in front of the country, congratulated Donald Trump and said, I'll do everything I can to help him become a successful president. Hillary Clinton then showed up at President Trump's inauguration. Hillary Clinton participated in that transfer of power, even though you knew deep down she probably felt that way.

But she was man enough to do it. There was no need to know deep down. Woman enough. Because she may have done those things. There's a lot of controversy these days surrounding that. But both things can be true. She did those two things, okay? But she also was then immediately on her own tour.

She was. She was on the view. That's where she kicked it off, and she was everything else. Was she at the inauguration? You're right. She was. Did she take a perk of hand and stand in front of a microphone the day after? Yes, she did. But she was on. Isn't that don't downplay that, my friend? Isn't that really important? Which part? Those two things don't work for her to do. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't fucking minimize that if you love this democracy and we are in a fucking divided country war at

each other's throats and every election is close and man it's hard to lose is sucks to lose if for you to stand up in front of the country so the country can know yes i can see i lost he won won legitimately. This is how our nation works. I will do all I can to help him become a successful president. Don't minimize that. I'm not minimizing both. Shoot true. I think Joe, Joe Trump didn't have the fucking balls to do that. But she also went to the inauguration. And this is what past that was very open about

that he thinks that Trump should have gone to the inauguration. And this is what Pat said. And Pat was very open about it. And he thinks that Trump should have gone to the inauguration. Guys, I didn't say I gave credit already to that part. That's already been addressed. But for him, three years later, she's still saying it. Today, she's still saying it. Okay, just so everybody knows. I think Joe would solve a lot of things for you if you just came out and said you're a Democrat.

That would finish everything. Just come and say I'm a Democrat. Actually, go be like a Joe Manchin. No, you know what, you're right. Why don't you just came out and said you're a Democrat. That would finish everything. Just come and say I'm a Democrat. And go be like a Joe Manchin. No, you know what, you're right. Why don't you just come out and say it. Can you just announce it to the world you're officially a Democrat? I'd love to do it, but I can't,

because I'm not a Democrat. But to your point, it would make my life a lot easier. Yeah. It sucks not having a home. But what's wrong with being independent? What's wrong with being an independent? I think we're wrong with that. More and more people should become independent.

I agree. I've gone from being a Democrat to an independent. But right now, you know, with your passion and your intellect, but we've gone opposite way. People could be saying, Lieberman, Manchin, Walsh, and talking about, seriously, no, I know. So why not? Because I think on policy, I disagree.

Do you think I'm being fair with that? People who are on the edge of it that say, I'm not gonna fly the whole flag, but this is where I'm gonna go. You're completely fair with that question. When I look at policy, I disagree with Democrats. I'm probably 80% of policy. But, they wanna get rid of Lieberman.

They primary them. He runs this independent and kick their ass. Joe, what is your birthday? What month's your birthday? December. December what? 27th. And I know what gift to get you.

Oh, Pat, what can I, can I, can I, I feel, you know what I feel like, I feel like this is the only Frazier December 27th. No, I'm getting old school flip flop from sports mart champions. And I'm going to gift it to you. Tell me what size it is. I'll send you this flip flop from sports mart champions and I'm gonna gift it to you. Tell me what size it is. I'll send you this flip flop.

High quality. What do you mean? You're switching. You're switching. You're flip flopping, man. I mean, take a stand and maybe you know what? I'll get Farragamo flip flops. Higher quality so you can appreciate this.

That's right. Because I love you, man. It's very easy to call our friend Joe Walsh a flip flop. Yeah, that's very easy. I'm just just putting it out there. Yeah, but it's very hard what he did. It's not easy to say I've been a Tea Party conservative. My whole life, hear me out.

Hear me out. I've been a Tea Party conservative. My whole life. Still, um, okay. Well, that we can have a whole conversation whether that even exists anymore. Right. But he told the company line, I voted for Trump 2016

and then took him a little longer than most Americans or half of Americans to realize, yeah, this guy really is a piece of shit. And then he shot himself in the foot, the leg and even probably even the stomach at some point, even in the brain and said, I can't do this anymore. Psst, there's nothing wrong with that Pat. What do you mean?

So you're saying that. So why not to harm you? So Pat, you're saying that he should have said one too many five hour honor to drink this one. So listen to what you're saying. He, you're saying that he should have, no. Trump's my guy. And just stick with you.

That's what you're saying he should have done. You guys were all baptized by mainstream media and confused. No Pat. People have eyes and people have ears. They hear what he're saying you should have done. You guys were all baptized by mainstream media and confused. No, people have eyes and people have ears. They hear what you're saying. Oh, really? People have eyes and ears. When he said in Helsinki, when Trump went up there

and said, yes, I stay on that. And the next day he had a reverse course. A lot of people were discussing about that. Let's stay on that topic. Stay on that topic right there. Look at the economy today. Look four years ago. You're not in a situation. Look, look at the situation today. Look four years ago. You're not in a situation today.

Look, COVID, Pat. What do you mean? Oh, so you're going to blame COVID. So yes, that's exactly what I'm at. I'm at. I'm at. And I can I talk. So wait a minute.

So you're blaming COVID for today's economy. Are you also blaming Russia? Are you also blaming Putin? Are you also blaming you? No, I'm blaming COVID. Are you also blaming who else you blame it? COVID, what? COVID, what? Tell us my current account.

How much money did Trump put to control it? But wait a minute. And then Biden, if it's retrial, if it's because you gotta give Trump some blame for all the money for a thing. If that's what your problem is. If with the inflation, if it's because of COVID, which is your rhetoric,

and you gotta, you gotta blame that. No problem, let's play that card. Then why were gas prices to 20 in December of 2020? They were going up before Biden was swimming. But when you, by the way, Adam, you're right. No, this isn't the way. If you're going to blame Biden for what he spent on COVID, Trump did the same fucking thing.

Well, we know he's a Democrat. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, emotional statement which I'm not surprised. You're in both of you guys are part of the emotional community, which I appreciate. This is why there's some people in your life that can reason. And that helps you out, but I think emotions is good. You know, I think it's a very entertaining place to be. Yes, I have a heart, guys. But you think, but you're... Not the 10 men. But pre date, you set the bat about 30 minutes ago.

You threw that bat comment in there when we talk about China, okay? I also used air quotes. You were watching me. I said, I'm someone eight of that. So, so what I'm trying to tell you is if you play that card, okay, and Florida shut down for two weeks, the rest of the country. Florida shut down longer than two weeks. What a time I was, but everybody's coming here. I would lived in Florida the whole fucking time. We shut down for like two months. Every, no, you lived in Dallas as well. You lived in Tagalog as well. So, don't get it twisted. You live in Texas for

minute it'll be down to a week yeah yeah but but here's a point go back to it day before covid mm-hmm go day before covid February for how's America doing? financially you know for an hour of the ice is Afghanistan China North Korea Iran Palestine, how's America doing day before COVID? Policy wise, I concur with you. We were at each other's throats.

But because there's part of that, people hate each other. But we don't know, why though? Multiple things are going on. The economy could be going well for most people. But people could also have, there's an underdog of people hating each other. Do you realize? The rhetoric. Do you realize how scary it is?

For you like a Pelosi to have had control of Congress for God knows how many years they don't look up at presidents. They look down at presidents and they're saying the same But from a cuddle I don't I don't disagree. Yeah, so if you're gonna call out one side call out. Let me make my point. You can just tell me. I'm okay with that. So if you let me finish it's okay. You scream and I like it. So let me tell you where I'm out here with this. If if we know Congress looks down at presidents, they don't look up at presidents. They don't say, oh my gosh, he's a president. Behind closed doors are like this. He's got no influence as much as you guys think he's got him. He's nobody. Let's just freaking make him feel good and his ego is going to leave

we're going to keep controlling the policies and we keep playing our games and we have the card. So we're invited to the same parties. We'll, you know, keep using this to do insider training, make our money, go big, buy the big cast. Just let this guy's ego go. We'll go do our own thing. Right? No problem. Okay. Then all of a sudden, a guy shows up. And this guy calls out all your bullshit, non-stop. This guy says swamp, this guy says all of this stuff. Next thing you know, people are asking questions that you have not been asked for a while.

Do you think congressmen should be able to invest after having insider training? I'm sorry Miss Pelosi. Did your husband ever make any financial decisions after having insider? No, we've never done that No boom that video goes viral Conge of that was today under a guide, but even during that time is when it started that started calling out started during that era It started then when I was in kind of then a guy shows up and starts asking those questions and exposes it to America. And Americans are sitting there saying, damn, if that's true. And then they said, Hey, guys, we got a freaking create a confusion.

A sub get people protesting, get people riding. Let's shut down the economy. Let's do all this. Now we got monkey boxes. Oh my gosh, we're going to let's let's use fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear. The American person who are emotional, they fell for it. And guess what? We are in the state of affairs that we are in today. What exactly? What? What? What do we from? What do we mean? You said they fell for it. They fell for the emotion. Of course,

they fell for the manipulation. They fell for all the pinning against each other. You fell for it. COVID. You said you fell for Russia. You fell for Russia. Don't deny it. You fell for Russia. You believe that was really going on. you fell for it. COVID you said you fell for Russia. You fell for Russia. Don't deny it. You fell for Russia. You believe that was really going on. You fell for it. I wouldn't say about the Russia thing. However, don't go on for it. Okay, you'll answer this then.

You fell for Russia. I couldn't. Did you fall for Russia? Did you believe Russia was here? Here's the question I would ask myself. You said I used to always ask myself. Yeah. Why couldn't Trump say one?

One bad thing about Putin. One. He's a thug. He's a murder. He didn't say one bad thing. He didn't help his cause at all. All he needed to say was, yes, if you're going to deflect, if you're going to deflect, ask for the question. I'm not deflecting. I'm answering the head off. No, you're not. I'm asking you a question. Yes. The question is, did you buy into the Russia gate Whatever's going on that Trump's involved with the election did I buy in a little bit? Yes, okay was I all in he's guilty Throwman jail. No, you stop you did I Answer the question. Why did you not have any formation? I'll go back to my initial statement Trump did not once

You still didn't ask me so if you're not saying one time Trump did not say one bad thing about Putin and he never went there and I'll sink he and said I side Putin and the next day he said I meant to say I don't side with Putin if you're not I'm sorry and that's a little that's a little aggressive. Okay, let me let me ask you question If you're not gonna answer that question, you don't have any credibility. I just answered the question. No, no, you did not. You were better for it.

I'm going to look you in the face and ask me the question and I'll answer the question. Did you emotionally fall for the fact that Russia was happening without having all the information? I did to a percentage. I didn't 100% feel the, I said there's a high likelihood something's up here. Because if he didn't, if he wouldn't come out and say, I would never put in did like if he wouldn't call put now, there's a problem with that.

Like if you're married and I say to the world, you beat your wife up every night. What should you do the next day? How about this? Yeah. If you said, hey, we really kind of think that your wife's been cheating on you. Yeah.

I'll say, well, what proof do you have? Well, you know, we saw her driving around. She checked into a hotel and motel. Yeah. She's been cheating on you. I'll say, well, what proof do you have? Well, we saw her driving around, she checked into a hotel in Motel, she'd been snooping around, I'd say, it's not looking good. I'd like to see more evidence, but based on what I'm hearing, it's not looking to get to completion.

And then if someone said, you see this picture of this gentleman that your wife has apparently been cheating on you with and you asked my wife Hey, what do you think about this guy? And she's like, yeah, he's a nice guy And she wouldn't say I would never hang out with this guy. I wouldn't he's a piece of shit And she only would say nice things then I'd be like all right This is a little weird that the person that you're cheating on with you won't even say one bad thing about that Okay, these are two different situation. You use the analogy about the wife. I gave you the analogy of if

somebody said to you, why do you keep beating your wife and you've never beat the wife? The next day like, what are you talking about? Like, do you want me to address this issue? Yes. The more, no, I want you to address it head on. I want you to say, he's a thug. And I do not side food. How hard would those words would have been? Is that was that your problem with him? He doesn't believe that though. You guys are extremely naive and it's great. I am surrounded by naive people. Fantastic guys. You guys are emotional, nice. So you applaud for it. You applaud Trump for not saying one bad thing about Putin? That's one bad thing. That's one way. You got four way to say one thing.

Wait, wait, Pat, hang on. Like what do you like? You guys are funny today, listen. No, no, Pat. You can scream all you want. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not gonna listen to you. I've been listening to you guys.

If you want me to answer the question. So answer this. Do you like what Trump did that time in Helsinki in the summer of 2018? If you were advising Trump before he stood with Putin in front of the world, would you have told Trump to say that? Can I ask you a question?

Answer that one for me. Wait a minute for me. Answer that one. When negotiation happens, what part of the negotiation are you involved in? I asked you a simple question. When negotiation happens, what part of the negotiation are you involved in?

Would you have advised Trump to say that? Yes or no? Whatever he said, or he won't answer. What if he said? We're having an Helsinki, 20. Whatever he said, or he didn't say, here's what you need to know. Why didn't Russia invade Ukraine during his term?

You're avoiding this question. Tell me. Why, you guys are avoiding the question. You guys have been getting emotional these entire times. No, no, no, you are not. We can talk about Ukraine. That's a good separate issue. When Trump stood in Helsinki with Putin, do you like what Trump did there?

Which part of the quote do you want to do on my commentary? I'll pull up the quote. Be specific. I'll give you my commentary on it. President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be Russia. He's a president. Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be. Who's this? This is what he's asked. Trump was asked if he believed the question was specific. President Trump, do you believe

your own intelligence agencies which say Russia meddled in the election or do you believe President Putin who says Russia didn't meddle? intelligence agencies which say Russia meddled in the election or do you believe President Putin who says Russia didn't meddle? And these are the same intelligence agencies that worked. Tyler, do you night overnight to make sure that he was out to the, they had a backup plan that called me against him. Cool, cool, then defend, defend what Trump said there. But wait a minute, but wait a minute.

So what did he say? You're upset with the fact that he says President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be. Okay, let me take my style would be. You ready? Here's my style. You ready? Unlike being emotional, you know, guys like the two of you, I would say to him, behind closed doors.

Now I got leverage in negotiating with you. You're not behind closed doors, my friend. No, no, I think you missed a point. You missed a point what I just said If I sit there and I'm negotiating with you if I sit there and I negotiate with you and I say this You don't deliver on my asks you don't have my but I don't have your back. It's a different game You can't come and say something like this and then behind closed doors You're not you're not giving me what I'm asking you, you lose leverage with me.

So what are you supposed to say here? Tell me what you're supposed to say. So give me what you would say. Your president Joe Walsh next to put in, give me your words. Yes, Russia meddled in the 2016 election. You're a night emotional president, that's why you're not a president. Well Pat, Pat, can I?

Oh no, and let me finish. That's why you're not a president. Let me finish what I would have said. Because if you would have said that, you could potentially cause the war. Now America's getting hit by it because you don't have to answer questions. I would have, I would, let me finish. That's why you're not a president. Let me finish what I would have said. Because if you would have said that, you could potentially cause the war. Now America's getting hit by it because you don't have to answer questions. I would have, I would let me finish. That's the problem.

I'm going to finish my answer. Yes, because I was asked, who do I believe? I would have said yes. I believe America's intelligence community, Russia did metal with the, with our elected. But you don't know that for a fact. Yes, yes. Can I give you a no that for a fact? Let me give you one fact and then you guys can debate this.

And this is not a motion. There's no name calling here. He said, quote unquote, President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be. Quote unquote. What did he do the next day? Trump. Let's talk facts.

What did Trump do the next day? No, no, Joe. No, I know. He went and he said, I'm sorry. I misspoke. I actually said. Let's talk facts. What did. So the next day he 100% reversed Read the latter half of that tweet as the world's two largest nuclear powers. We must get along. Okay, first Okay, that's a separate What is that now? Nuclear they should get along all the time. Nobody wants to get a point

But the point is Trump reverse new course. He knew because you know what happened in my opinion This is my opinion someone came to him and said hey Donald you're in trouble You completely fucked up. Yeah on the world stage. Yeah, you're gonna need to go ahead and Flip exactly what you said and pretend people are stupid and said oh, I actually meant I wouldn't be It's the exact same situation when he said, I'm here with Tim Apple, the CEO of Apple. And it goes, it's actually Tim Cook. He's like, no, I said Tim Cook.

You said Tim Apple. Adam, do you realize how much of a fool you look like right now? I don't, because I'm telling the truth. Do you realize? Why am I in full? Because I told you the exact story that happened. Adam, so that's emotions, that's emotions that I'm reading quotes

Can I you gonna keep doing this or what do you want to do? It's not a motion. So you're watching wait a minute So you guys see this you guys having some excitement right you guys getting around this is fantastic They're getting girls on the monitor. I don't find this. Let me let me tell you so now say that yes fast forward to today Your vote America's a shit show. Nobody gives a shit what you're saying. Whether there's any credibility to that or not, America's a laughing stock in the world today

because of your vote. Congratulations, phenomenal job guys. Awesome stuff, you should be proud of yourself. You should be able to brag. So I understand you emotionally have to defend your vote. No, I'm not defending your vote. I'm not defending my vote. Of course you have to defend your vote. I'm not defending my vote. Of course you have to defend your vote.

Because you know, I think Joe Biden's doing it. It's not the point. You're, you're, you're, I think he's shitting the bed, but, but it's not to shit the bed. But two things could be right at the same time. Adam Trump could be a liar and siding with Russia. And Joe Biden can be a bad president. I want to believe.

Two things could be correct at the same time. I want to believe, and I'm going to believe this about you, Pat, that if you had Trump's ear before he went out on that stage with Putin You would have told him advised him not to say what he said. I think you would have you guys are living you guys are living in a But I want to believe you would have you guys live in a Universe where unicorns fly and then never ending story, you know where unicorns fly and then whoever ending story, you know, by the way, so, which is great. So, you started this whole thing 15 minutes ago when you said,

because you still don't buy this, you said, what if Joe just did five years ago, what he thought was right? And you asked him, what would you have told Joe to do? And then you went off on, I whole, I think you saw an opportunity and you jumped on and it was a wrong opportunity. I think that's what it was. I think a lot of people do what you did. I think they saw an opportunity and they said, let me, let me go. But that's like, you can also say the same thing to Liz Cheney. You can also say the same thing about Adam Kinzinger. There's a, how many people have voted? How many Republicans?

These are guys. Listen, these are guys. Again, do not be naive when your entire life has been playing politics and getting all the fringe benefits of being a lifelong politician and a guy shows up with no politics experience and whoops, you're asked. It's public humiliation. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're

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Adam Kinzinger is who? Who? Who? You tell me who respects and Adam Kinzinger today. Tell him, well, that's a problem. That's the problem is that, which is why? It's equivalent. It's equivalent of an Andrew Yang.

Yeah. Okay. He's basically saying, yeah, I was a Democrat, but I can't condone this. And I have respect for that. It's the same thing as a Republican saying, I'm a Republican, but I can't condone this. And I have respect for that. It's the same thing as a Republican saying, I'm a Republican, I've been a Republican in my life, but I can't condone this.

I have respect for that. You say all the time. The people that call out their own party is who you have to respect. Lower Adam 5% is very loud. So you have to, and I'm telling you, tell Eric to lower 5% is very loud. So you have to understand that is still being opportunistic.

That's fine. Yeah, Joe San Opportunity says, let me go against Trump. I don't think it's going to get real like that. I think there's an opening. What was the opening? How did that help? Pat like that. But that's a bad decision.

I agree. Okay, yes, but he would be an opportunist. From a career standpoint. Yeah, but he would be an opportunist. But from looking yourself in the mirror standpoint, there might be a difference. Looking yourself in the mirror today, you look like a fool. Pat, you're changing yourself in the mirror today. If you look at guys, what happened to the fed rates yesterday?

What happened yesterday? Tom, it was raised by 75. What are we at right now? Two and a quarter base fed rate. So right now 30 or fixed as well. 30 or fixed right now is what? Six and a half. Welcome to the Biden administration, your vote.

Your vote, vote phenomenal job guys I'm going how's the house a house inflation do I'm gonna How's inflation doing tell me how inflation is doing Pat? I'm gonna You guys wanted so now when it's logic you're silent emotion you're fired up Logic, oh my god, you know, so it's only by it and Trump because I printed money too. You already I didn't support they I've never supported bailin out since Obama days. I've never supported bailin out I'm for right now. I tweeted this the other day the only way we're gonna get through this where 20 years from Everything's gonna be all right is you got to let the two big to fail fail

So check and this started when, when the quantitative easing start, under who? Oh wait, Obama, well, under George W. Bush, and then Obama. Okay, do I support quantitative easing? You do not. Okay, do I support what Trump did when he put $2 trillion and they said, here's what we gotta be doing? I've never set send out.

The only reason I said that is one reason, one reason only. You can't ask restaurants to shut down and not go to work and make them non-essential and not bail them out. You can't do, you can't go together, make sense. So I don't think you should have shut down restaurants in the first place. I don't think you should have shut down truckers in the first place.

Those state governors, governor, governor, totally fine, so they're coming and saying, hey, if we're shutting these guys down, what do we need to do? So he's guys down, what do we need to do? So he's being advised on what do we need to do? He's got to kind of think about it. He's saying Trump. Yeah, but I see.

But the care is act had five different parts for it. I still don't support it. I'm telling you, I still don't support it. So you're calling out Trump for what he did, just like you're calling out Biden for what he did. I've been doing this for six years. Serious question, it's a business question. How much of inflation today is because we printed all that money?

How much of that inflation is today? Yeah, I'm not even saying who printed it, just the fact that it was printed. 40% of all the money that... I made a very big role. Okay, and two trillion, or it was printed under Trump and three trillion under Biden, no more. Again, so both are guilty.

No, no, again, when did the first printing happen? What year did the first printing happen? 2020 what what month? March of 2020. Okay, so what was gas prices in December? That's different from what was inflation? What was inflation? Go to inflation. What was inflation in December? 2020 before we printed the money in inflation was 2% if not less that's after okay what was inflation in December of 2020 December of 2020 so we had already printed the money yes we had pretty quarter to go what was inflation in December of 2020 around 2% 1.4% okay what was inflation a month before Ukraine A month before the, you're right. February of this year. Seven point four percent. Okay. So what's your, what's your excuse now?

Let's hear it. I'm asking how much he's not making. I'm not talking about gas prices. What I'm saying to you is, I'm saying policies have consequences. I agree with you. If you take COVID out. Yes. If you take COVID out, you'd be sitting here economy. God, if you say, if you take COVID out You'd be sitting here economy go Lord if you say if you take COVID out You can't but COVID was a great opportunity for the law. It should be my uncle But COVID exists. COVID was a great opportunity for the left They capitalize off COVID in a phenomenal job and a two-democrys that are sitting here What any political party would you support? The way coming up true in the

Intense situation, but look Pat I I enjoy this and I love chatting with you. But brother, again, just be real with me. I'm not a Democrat. You can call me a son of a bitch and a dishonest opportunist. I'm not a Democrat. You said you are glad you voted for Biden and you said you're happy you did.

So you've had a year and a half to assess that vote. And you're still happy about it. Regret that vote. Okay, so what do you think we're what the situation today? Pat, the situation we're in today. Why are we in the situation we are today? No, no, no, stop my friends. Exactly. Let's get emotional. Listen, no, listen, why are we in the situation we are today? Tell me, I asked you a specific question, which is what? Am I a Democrat based on what you're saying that you don't regret your vote? Of course you're a Democrat. That makes me a Democrat, even though I'm not a Democrat, because you supported policies

of a Democrat. Pat, if I vote for a Democrat or Republican, if I claim, if I claim, if I claim, I'm non emotional, if I claim I'm non emotional, what you're saying you're not. Okay. If I claim I'm not, what party your vote today? Did independence vote for Biden in 2020? What party your vote today? Just nonetheless.

Because you haven't answered my question yet. How much longer is this guy? You haven't answered my question yet. I'm having just unless because you haven't answered my question yet. How much longer is this guy? You have an answer. I'm having a ball. You haven't had a question. No, you know, I'm sitting five feet from you. I get that three feet. So what three feet?

Yeah. And I'm telling you to your face. I am not a registered Democrat. What part of the policies you voted for are you happy with today? I'm not happy with. Let me finish a thought. I want to hear it. I'm policy. As I've said before, I'm not happy with, let me finish a thought. I want to hear it.

I'm policy. As I've said before, I'm not happy with the vast majority of policies Biden has done. I'm not a Democrat. I don't regret my vote. Plenty of independence and Republicans voted for Biden too, Pat. They're not Democrats. Maybe they regret their vote, but they're not Democrats.

But that's a difference though. No, you called me a Democrat, man. That's a different though. You supported, you're on a American. You supported them. You're on a American. You can't say that. How would you say that?

It's your opinion. Because he's called it. No, no, exactly. How stupid Adam is it for me to say that? But if you can validate the point, Pat sits there and says, I'm a bad guy. But if you validate the point, I'll say, I love you, man. And this isn't a motion. If you validate the point, say it.

There's no point. Then tell me your policies. What are policies you voted for? What policies you voted for? Pat, are you happy for the vote? Pat, yes. I'm not going to tell you a damn thing. If you continue to call me a Democrat, then tell me what policies,

you don't support. No, no, no. Then, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Democratic Party. I am an independent right now. So do not call me a Democrat. But tell me what policies you supported that today are working of Biden's policies. I'd have a hard time picking. I can give you one. Sure. I'm glad Biden got us out of Afghanistan. I'm glad I'll give you two. I like the simple infrastructure bill that the bipartisan infrastructure bill that Biden signed in the law. Those are two that I approve. The vast majority of things Biden did, I don't say. So you support the way we left Afghanistan?

Absolutely. I support us getting out of Afghanistan. Let's clarify that. Do you support us getting out or you support the way we left? I'll answer that. I supported us getting out. Because that started under Trump and the way we left. I'll answer that. I supported us getting out. Because that started under Trump and the Doha agreements. Hey, my friend, yeah, that was a promise of Trump's

that I supported and I'm glad Biden got it done. And I believe that any way we would have gotten out of Afghanistan was going to be ugly and messy and it was, but I respect Biden for having the balls for doing it. Yes. P.B.D., let me ask you a question. Yeah. You say this all the time.

This isn't like a set up punchline. Who controls America? Who controls America? What do you mean? Okay. As far as voter blocks, who controls America? 12%. Okay, exactly.

That's the answer I was looking for. And where are these 12% typically located? You're all over America, but there's a specific region that Hillary didn't visit, let's say. You're saying non-red? Non-red? No, I'm just saying, what's constantly talking about? Exactly.

The quote unquote, blue wall that broke in 2016. Right, so talking about your problem about evolving rust belt. Yes, the rust belt and Joe's from what state again, Joe? Illinois rust belt. Okay, I'm talking Michigan, Ohio, certain parts of Pennsylvania, the western part of Pennsylvania, Illinois. You know, I, well, that whole rust belt, you're talking about places.

And this goes back to the point you're making with Joe those same people that voted for George W. Bush in in 08 yeah I'm sorry in in 2000 in 2004 those same people voted for Obama in 08 and 12 and then those same people voted for Trump in 16 and then those same people voted for Biden in 20 those people those 12% independence, or they control America. Like, I'll give you an example, my grandmother, God bless her, 90 years old. She voted for George W. Bush.

She voted for McCain. She voted for Obama. She voted for Trump. And then she voted for Biden. She's not anything, like you're trying to pin them to be a Democrat, those same people. I asked you to flip flop each election. And I'm, that's the why, why, why, why, why, why, why?

You're right. Okay. You just validated my point. I just said 20 minutes ago. I was, I was enhancing your point, but, but the point is that Joe saying is like, I can go back and forth. You can't, I can't be labeled a Democrat.

You can go back and forth from Republican to Democrat to independent, whatever. He can go from a Republican to an independent to a Democrat, back to an independent, back to a Republican, whatever it is. But is it different? What you're registered as versus who you vote for? What I'm saying to you right now is when you vote, you're voting for policies. What policy do you support? No, Pat.

That's a part of it. The logical vote. The logical vote. As you know, most people are. I're, that's a bad, the logical vote. The logical vote. As you know, most people are, I do, that's why I'm part of this one. But I gave you credit saying, that has unique ability to remove emotion and focus on logic.

But most people can't do that. Right, Pat, don't speak for everybody. When you vote, you vote on policies. Respect. I think that's what we got to do. But not everybody, I agree. And I think more of us need to vote on policy. I'm now finding common ground guys.

Look at us. I think more of us need to vote for policy. There you go. So we agree. I think we need to get less on voting emotional and allow the mainstream media to confuse a hell of a deal. You're right, but it's hard to do. I didn't say one more thing. It's hard to do.

It's easy. I started out. That's like saying, guys, you need to be in shape. I agree. 70% of America is overweight. You know why I love to do it. You know why I love free enterprise. You know why I love free enterprise.

You could probably write a book about that. You know why I love free enterprise. Tell me what. Let me tell you why I love free market. You know what's the great thing about free market? Free market will tell you if you're doing a horrible job very quickly And and there is no debates Everybody knows you know, so think about politics

You can spend all day long and people don't know because there's not a way to measure You can spend all day long and the best spinners do very well on politics. Mm-hmm. Yes today. Who's the press secretary of Obama? Of Biden who's the press secretary of Obama, a Biden? Who's the press secretary? They're about the same thing. I'm in a heart of saying her name. What's your name? I'm John Pierre. I'm John Pierre.

Did you see what she said about recession? We're not in a recession. Did you guys try to change the definition of recession? No, we are not in a recession. Are you not familiar with the NBRA or NRBA where 19 such a thing, they said this. Well, let's focus on that. So it's the ultimate spin zone.

So for business people, you can't say you're in a board meeting, hey, can you tell me why last quarter you were down 42%, that's not true, we're not down 42%. Let me tell you what we really are. We really are up 82%. No, no, you're down 42% of your revenues, that's not true. But that's exactly what it is. So in free market, there is no room for spin zone.

Maybe a month, maybe a quarter, maybe six months, you ain't going to get away with it for long term. Your event, you're going to get fired. But in politics, spinning is an art and some haven't and some don't have it. There you go. So emotion works. Would you say that, okay, so what's the technical definition of recession? Two quarters.

Two quarters. Declining. Declining GDP. So in the first quarter of the year from January to April, right? First quarter. We were down 1.9%. I want to say. Now the number just came out today breaking news. We're down second quarter GDP, 1% point nine to be exact. So technically by definition, we are interrecession. Right now, this is happening. This is July 1st was the first time recession,

and I said in a video, in June, I said, they're gonna redefine the recession, and I said they're gonna try to get this thing to not be called a recession until after midterms. You're not lying at all, right? I'm not sure. Yeah, I meant to not point that. Would you say, Joe, that we are currently in a recession?

I'll leave that to the experts. It sure feels like it. Hold on. Because I'm not an expert, but this is stupid. For Biden and his administration to be wrestling with trying to define it is just idiotic and wrong. What choice do they have when someone in the media says, Joe, we have now entered a recession? What choice do they have? How about lead us out of it?

Well, you don't think they're trying to do that Tom. Well, no, they're trying to Well, they'd like to There is no trying to do you don't think that they are trying to do that You think they're like we love a recession. What are you saying? Of course they're trying hey, you don't think the salespeople are trying yeah, but the three that aren't doing well So let me ask the question let me ask a question from Joe. Joe, do you want to be here? Do you want to leave?

No, I'm fine. I'm sure. Yeah, if you want to leave, let's open a door so you can get out here. No, no, I'm fine. Okay, because we're going to get into policy. You're going to get into issues today that we want to get commentary on last 30 minutes if you can handle it. Yeah.

I can generally handle it. Okay, I want to make one more point before we get into that. Let's do it. And I'll push back on you, my friend, though. I know you meant well. I'm not flip-flop and I appreciate the birthday present. I'm not flip-flop and not anything. I would be a flip-flopper if I renounced everything I believed in. I still believe everything I believed in. I made a conscious decision to oppose Trump not changing what I believed in. So, Biden's the first Democrat I've ever voted for in my life. I'm still a proud Tea Party free market conservative who made a decision that you may disagree with, but I have not changed

who I am. That's all. That's all I, my God. Can't, can't there be conservatives who oppose Trump and conservative support? Yeah, but you guys are a damn breed. Unfortunately. Well, you made the point, Adam. There's no room in the party for us. Adam Kinzinger and I are best friends. Really?

Adam, we got elected together. Same state. Adam knows. The only reason Adam didn't run is because he couldn't win a primary. Liz Cheney is going to get her ass whooped next month. By the way, do you know Catalina Loff? Yes. Yes. Great go. Right, but she's doing what you need to do to be successful in this party because it's which is what which is a poor Trump is a poor Trump. That's all. That's if you want to win a Republican primary, that's what you have to do.

Liz Cheney's going to lose. Adam Kinsger has no future in the party right now. I know Pat wants to get the topics, but no, Adam Kinsger, it's not that he pushed back on Trump. It's that Trump is the threat to democracy. Trump's going to bring down the United States. Trump is everything that they refuse to see that left is. You can push back on Donald Trump. Okay. Jim Jordan has done it. Kevin McCarthy has done it. You can, uh, Mitch McConnell has not like you can push back on Trump. It's the threat to democracies. It's the I'm going to cry because you guys were so brave on January 6th with the insurrection. It's all that bullshit that it's like no. This is absurd. Give

me not look. Give me one Republican who has publicly said, I oppose Donald Trump and and and one a and one a Republican primary. Just that. I oppose Donald Trump. And if he's the nominee and 24, I won't subordinate him. Give me one Republican. Who's one? A primary.

Okay. So, um, give me one Democrat that didn't say that I don't support Obama. What is his name? The former, uh, what I'm trying to say is give me an any, you know said i don't support obama what is his name the former uh... what i'm trying to say is give me an any you know if that's not a lot of democrats are saying about by the absolute because they have to distance themselves from the world we have to talk about what's going on right there and joe going to be honest about this right

right now we have to say that aren't we all just being on okay then i won't say more uh... what the fuck come on guys Now, why do we have to say that? Aren't we all just being on it? Okay, then I won't say that anymore. What the fuck? Come on guys, I thought everybody up here is gonna be honest. Okay, here we go. Right now, and it's a fact, leaks have been coming out, the DNC is pressing for soft-handed articles

that clearly show Democrats or the voting public and certain other people do not feel Biden should run again. And some of these articles are a little critical. Some of them are very soft handed. An independent Quinnipek poll said 64% of Democrats in these three states feel that Biden shouldn't run again. Why is the DNC doing that? They're doing that because they're trying to clear the way

to have a primary in a non-confrontational way by saying you're an idiot, you're done, we're going up against you. They're trying to let the primary be a fate of complete at the end of all this with what's going on. Probably right, I think most Democrats, I think don't want Biden to run again. Democrats are not trying to... And why is that?

Here, Pat has some nice story of it. 75% of it. Let me just read the story and we get into it. CNN poll. Because they're having to run against reality, not spin. They're having to run against the economy. CNN poll. Not a fox poll.

CNN poll. This is not a fox poll. CNN, July 27, which is just a day ago or two days ago. Yeah, 75% of democratic voters want someone other than Biden in 2024 Yeah, Paul finds that 75% Democratic and Democratic leaning voters want another one the party to nominate someone other than president Joe Biden 2024 sharp increase from earlier this year in January, February 51% of Democratic and Democratic leaning voters Said they wanted someone else. It's gone from 51% to 75%, that's a 50% increase, by the way. The poll comes as a Biden's appropriating remains low and most Americans are disconnected with the state

of the country and the economy. Inflation remains high and new report released Tuesday. Sheldt consumer confidence slipped for the third straight month. The poll also showed a majority of Republicans and Republican leaning, registeredistra voters say, they do not want former President Donald Trump to be their party nominee in 2024 President election. 55% say they want someone other than Trump

to be the nominee, which is up from 49%. So from 49 to 55, that's a 6% increase. And from 51 to 75%, that's a 24% increase. Thoughts, Adam. Adam, well, I'm not shocked about Biden at all. I think as someone who voted for Biden, I would not vote for him again. That's not being emotional, that's being logical.

I didn't know you voted for Biden. Yeah, I'm not a Trump fan. I don't know if you've got that memo. But I compared to Trump being a drunk driver and I just wanted someone else to drive us home. Clearly the new driver that we have is also asleep at the wheel. So again, you could, it's not a binary decision.

I've said very explicitly, I would love, love, love, love for whoever the next president is to somehow get 60% approval rating. Once the last time we had that in America, I'm an American. I love America. That's the only country I've ever lived, the only country I wanna live.

I would love for Americans to get along. I hate the fact that we're already each others' throats. I hate the fact that during the 2020 election, people that I dealt with, we couldn't talk to each other because we voted for different presidents. I don't think that's a a good look for America and I don't think Trump is the answer And I certainly know that Biden's not the answer. So whoever it is whether it's a dissent Whether it's a Nikki Haley whether it's a freaking Mike Pence who whether it's a freaking newsome

I don't care who it is. I want a man. I want whoever the next president is to have a 60% approval rating. Now you might say Adam, that's never gonna happen. You're crazy, but call it wishful thinking, but that's what I want for America. Joe. I don't think that's probably possible for a while, because look, and Pat, if you and I sat down over to Keela for me and whatever you drink.

Old fashioned. Okay. You're your vision of America and my vision of America. I'll take one right now. Yeah. I may have my first tequila the day. You're our visions of America. Is that kind of a rock already?

Our visions of America is probably similar, really close. I believe in a country of freedom, free markets, and a government that generally leaves us alone. That's my vision of America. I think we're so divided, Pat. And this was before Trump. Trump didn't cause this divide. He's just an ugly consequence of the divide.

But I think we're going through like a revolution in the period right now where most Americans no longer agree on this basic principle and what it means to be an American. So I think we're divided for a long time. I think it's going to get uglier. The Democrats are in a lot of fucking trouble because Biden is too old. He's incompetent right now.

They don't have. There's nobody else waiting. The Republicans have their issues. It's going to be tough. Who would you like to see run in 2024? I know. If you know, but you have to give an opinion. I mean, it's a hypothetical.

Who would I like to see on the Democrat side and who would you like to see on the Republican side? I assume it's not Trump or Biden. I go. I'd love to see some Democrat from outside of Washington give me a good competent governor. I'd love to see a Republican that's a free market free limited government. The name names, Joe, you know, that's not politics market free limited government name show you know that's not politics you know names that's not a trumpeter i can't so one so you are you saying you want to gavin newson versus the santa's and i don't want to put words in your mouth but you're saying you want a governor and then someone outside of washington who do you want to you know names

i i think new some even though i again i probably disagree with him most things i think would be a really interesting attractive candidate. I think a guy like he's in Washington Ohio Senator shared Brown I think the Democrats need a fucking fighter. I think the Democrats had become the party of like elite Woke wealthy people. I don't disagree. And they need a fucking blue collar. Who do you want to see on the right side now? You know, since you were a Republican your whole life, who would you vote for in the Republican side now?

There's nobody right now that I would see. Zero. You wouldn't support Mike Tens, you wouldn't support Nikki Haley, there's no one on the Republican side. You wouldn't support. Show, show, show. I am my red line. Yeah.

And look at Pat, he's so, he's so, he's so, I don't have the same. He's just validating my point. No, you know these about the shape. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a don't have a saying he's validating my phone. He's about. He's about sagging here. Joe, you're a Democrat. No, I don't have that. But I want to know what Republican you would vote. I would I cannot. Yeah, and will not because I publicly said this, I cannot and will not vote for any Republican who voted for Trump in 2020. I mean, come on. What?

Any Republican who after four years of that guy still vote so you're doubling down on your opinion. No, that's not that's a wrong. No, but you're doubling down on it. So the only Republican I'd support is give me a good Republican who didn't vote for Trump in 2020 and he's a good hard conservative. I'm going to ask a question to see how people are going to react. If you think from listening to Joe for the last hour and 40 minutes, he's a Democrat, give

it a thumbs up and subscribe to the channel. Let's see what's going to happen. Let's see what's going to happen. Let's see what's going to happen. I don't know. Maybe we're starting a new movement and we're going to hear an announcement here next couple. But when you say anybody that voted for Trump, that's my, that's

only my red light. Get that. But who does that? Who do you have? That's everybody. That's Bill Barr. That's my, like all these people are going to vote for Trump in 24. Bill Barr is not going to run for president.

Thank God. But anybody running for president, you asked earlier, by the way, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger voted for Trump in 2020. Let's not forget that. They campaigned for Trump and voted for him in 20. They didn't turn on Trump until after January 6. So I did not know that Liz Cheney and campaigned and voted for him. So yeah, that's my red line That puts me in a real tough spot. That's probably why I'm gonna be an independent for the rest of my fucking life. Unless the crowd calls you a Democrat apparently. I'm sick of these crowds. Honestly, I'm sick of it. One more person called Joe Democratic in New York from me. Joe, what's wrong with being called a Democrat though?

I'm not calling you one, but what's wrong with that? No, no, I have no, I don't mind that. My problem is when I look a good guy in the face and say I'm not one, you are, I just have a problem with that for a month. Okay. Let's have a good discussion. Yeah, but it's freaking stop at PBD. He's not on America. I would be are. I just have a problem with that. Come on. Okay. Let's have a good discussion. But it's breaking stop at P.B.

He's not on America. I'm getting back to the main point P.B.D. Pat was born in Iran, made in America. There he is. Bizdoch, sorry. Go. So getting back to the main point on this, I think that the, I've made my point a few minutes ago.

I think the DNC is trying to use soft articles that don't really personally go heavy, heavy heavy heavy on Biden. They don't want Biden to be the nominee. What is that sound? Are you hitting something? Oh, I'm sorry. That was me, my foot. For the record, that was the Democrat Joe Wallet talking about foot.

Bob! I'm at Troso's God in the... Let's talk next topic. Fed prepares another mega size rate hike, raising, risking deeper economic downturn. Fed policy makers remain laser focused on bringing inflation under control as higher prices prove persistent. Even if it triggers a recession, Fed Chairman Jerome Powell told reporters last month

that failing to restore price stability would be a bigger mistake than crushing growth and causing a downturn. Central bank policy makers raised the benchmark interest raised by 75 basis points in June for the first census 1994 and sign signal that another increase of that magnitude is possible in July, but a hundred basis point rate hike could be also on the table.

Now, didn't they announce that they did three quarters of a point because this is not saying they did yet? This may have been yesterday morning and they did it yesterday afternoon. Okay, so check, check to see if they made the announcement. I thought they already raised it. No, they did a month ago and now there's another. I know, I thought there was another one yesterday. And now there's another. I know I thought there was

another one yesterday. Yeah, that's correct. Put a right. I thought yes. Put news. Tyler, I think it was a big race. Yeah. Two 25 or four yesterday. They're 27. Okay. So go up a little bit. Let's read the article about the funds. Raiders. Now what? Two and a quarter. That's correct. Two and a half. Multiply by three round down a bit, and that's usually mortgages. Multiplot times three and round down a bit. So what's two and a quarter times three? Is 6.75, round down a little bit.

They're sure three. Oh, it's crazy that just breaking news and CNN, US mortgage rates have now dropped. You wouldn't expect that to happen. Why? Right? The 30 year fixed mortgage rate falls to 5.3. This is down from 5.54 a week before

in Percipientine New York for 805 credit. Make sure you get the whole thing. It does not say that. Okay. In Percipientine New York, this is this kind of fun fact that Tom will drop on all of a sudden and no one in the world has been in Percipientine at six,

except like 18,000 people. Okay. So let me ask you, what do you think is happening over here with these rates? Tom, because the biggest thing I'm going to ask you, Tom, is a following. Rates go up three quarters of a point. Dow blows up yesterday after the announcement. What the hell is going on?

I think there's two things going on. The first thing is that the Fed only has so many weapons in its arsenal. Remember, it's just the Fed. And the solution for inflation is to make the dollar more valuable, so the price of the dollar, which is interest rates, has to go up. It's academic. It goes back a bazillion years. It's complicated by money supply, M1, M2, which we've really juiced in the past five

years. And so that's there. Now, there are other things that go into the market, you know, going up, because you have a lot of things in commodity, oil price and everything, that's everything from plastics to fuel. So the market yesterday, I don't think you can say market up yesterday and fed rate announcement yesterday

were perfectly correlated, because I think what you're about to see is you're already seeing in the second quarter announcements that have been going on for the past two weeks. Miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, Facebook had its first down quarter year of year quarter. Shoplify. Eighteen points down. Yeah. What does that say about e-commerce purchases? Exactly. So that's another, so that's a broad online retail. We already know, retail retails really in trouble Americans have stopped buying Predominantly and now we see online retail was Shopify. So I think yesterday the two announcements were not correlated And I trust what all the second quarter CEOs have been saying which is I got headwinds and I'm I'm guiding down and interest rates are going to make it worse. Let me say something political.

Because I'm, I learned listening to him. I think Trump is going to announce in early the mid-September, and I've got a contrary in view of this. I think this is still his party, Pat. And I think he generally clears the field. I still don't believe DeSantis would challenge him. I think the voters look all Republican insiders, fuck the Wall Street Journal

and all these Republican consultants who don't want Trump to run. And they don't, and most of my former colleagues in Congress privately don't want him to run. But fuck all of them, it's up to the voters. And I think the voters in the Republican party right now are still with Trump. So I think when he announces in early September, I think he clears the field.

It's gonna be interesting who's gonna be the left because you're seeing a noosom coming out, calling out Florida, calling out Texas, you know, calling out. So, and he's a very, very marketable guy for the left. Completely. Very, very marketable guy. He's the Justin Trudeau of America. Yeah, noosom's doing Gavin Newsom. Yeah. Gavin Newsom's doing Gavin Newsom.

Yeah, Gavin Newsom's doing three things. And I don't think he voted for Trump by the way. Right. I'm willing to bet that Gavin Newsom did not make sure you know that. No, remember, Gavin, I'm willing to bet that you could call him a Democrat to his face and he will not get upset. Gavin Newsom's doing three things.

Number one, I don't care about being called a Democrat. I don't care. I'm not one though. Stop. I just want you to know that. Pat, a Democrat. I don't care. I'm not one though. Stop. I just hate getting on. Pat, I apologize. That's my fault. Seriously. Nothing wrong.

I'm trying to have a civil conversation. You keep poking a bear. Go ahead. The Tom. Right. If I'm not interrupted by one more demon cut, anyway, channeling wrestling ball. The, there's three things that Newsom's doing.

So we're talking about this. Number one, he's trying to clear the deck of potential primary challengers on that side. Number two, he's trying to get early access to the DNC funds, which is bigger. The money I raise with the DNC fund, that's the bigger bucket, always is. So you always want to clear the decks

because he get early access to it. And the third thing is he's been testing against individual issues. And they are pulling the piss out of it in California. If you look at the polls and things, come out of the Chronicle. They're pulling. He is intentionally making a national statement

against Florida. And then they're pulling it to death to see how it's doing. That's all right, but here's the deal, guys. And it's all part of him trying to set the ramps. That's all correct. But it's a machine. It right, but here's the deal. And it's all part of him trying to set the ramps. That's all correct, but it's a machine. It is and that's all correct and nuisance playing it. But if Biden doesn't run, it's going to be a wide open primary because there are a lot

of Democrats who want to run. Even if Biden runs Joe, it's going to be a wide open primary. Oh, yeah, there's no primary Joe. I said, and the fact that they're still mentioning Kamala's name as a potential candidate in 2024 is a fucking joke. I'm not sure. I think you're not sure. I think if Biden comes out next year and says he's run for reelection, I don't think.

Oh, you're going to see arrows in his back like you've never seen a sitting president. And they're so you kidding me? That's a sitting duck right there. I think I'm happy. I think I'm happy. I think I'm happy. I think I'm happy. I think I'm happy.

I think I'm happy. I think I think I'm happy. I think I'm happy. I think I'm happy. I think I'm happy. is ready for an 80 year old president. Adam, DNC. We've now opened up to sarcasm, a ball call. DNC is planning the article. DNC is planning articles with the New York Times. It's a fact. DNC is planning these softball articles on polling. Maybe Biden shouldn't do this, because they're trying to play nice with him respectfully,

but lay the groundwork, Joe, the approval rating, the polls, everything. There's no way Hillary allows Kamala to be the first women president. She's not going to allow that to happen. So Biden's going to make it a couple more years and then they're going to try to bring somebody back. You're saying Hillary will drop up by, like he's weakening it, Bernie. Just so, you know, the Kamala isn't the first female president.

By the way, I don't think anybody wants Kamla to be the president period, especially the first female president ever. She's undeserving of it. She's not the person for the job. Shopify stocks, since 14% after company says it'll lay off 10% of its workers, CNBC stories. Shopify's laying off roughly a thousand workers, which is around 10% global workforce.

The company announced Tuesday shares of Shopify dropped 14% in a memo to staff CEO Toby Lutki and acknowledged she had misguided how long the pandemic driven e-commerce boom would last and amateur a broader pullback in online spending Shopify would move and cut a number of roles Shopify had more than 10,000 employees as of December 31st of 2021. Shopify bet that the increasing mix of online spending over commerce and stores would permanently leap ahead of by five or even 10 years. Luca, Lukki said, it's staffed up to meet what is anticipated would be a sustained shift

to e-commerce more than doubling its employee base since 2019, said the company in February. Obviously, it's in different situation today. By the way, you know who bought $50 million of shares in Shopify yesterday? $50 million. Who's the lady that was shorting Tesla? different situation today. By the way, you know who bought 50 million dollars of shares in Shopify yesterday? 50 million dollars. Who's the lady that was shorting Tesla? Who's happy would? She bought 50 million. No, no, no, no, she wasn't shorting Tesla.

She was a fan of Tesla, I thought. Kathy would know. You're talking about arc strategies? No, no, I think I'm talking about Kathy would, about 50, let me pull this up. Yes, 50 million dollars in Shopify on the dip yesterday. Got it, so I was drunk. I wish he bought a billion hours a day. I was in the shop of Honda Dip yesterday. Got it. So I was drunk of Coinbase after SCC probe news.

So she's interested. She's bullish on Shopify. She is bullish on Shopify. Well, the whole thing is she's big on tech. Right. Let's go in here a little bit. What he was saying was very, very true. There is an illusion of the shift if you over-read the statistics to e-commerce because we were

locked down. So e-commerce because we were locked down. So e-commerce was how we were ordering so many things. And then it's good to be out again and people go into the grocery store and things like that, not to them all, but to the grocery store and to home depot and things like that. So part of that is a pullback. So what he's saying is I over corrected thinking it was a permanent correction a permanent pop we did get growth If you commerce, but I overreacted saying permanent so my next five moves I have to undo that and I have to pull back a little bit and oh by the way the economy is cooling by the way

I think there's a ton that was in that You know what I like to see right now. I haven't looked at it in months I'd like to see where the stock of zoom is right now Where's zoom stock right now? Because that was the hottest stock in the world. Tyler 20, 20. They've already had their correction. It goes back about six months.

You got to go. Okay, let's see this. But it's a good question. Tom, break down, do a case study on Zoom right now. It takes us back months. Six months, you're, see. Go to year, go to year. You know, two years.

Oh, wow. It's been going down for a year Yeah, well this is indicative of what the state of the economy is right now nobody's relying on zoom anymore It's been going to a hundred what this is go five years, but this is also Pat a CEO in control because it hasn't See look at the peak I guarantee you 2020. Yes Where was it in 2019 do you you see the number? Well below 200. 80 bucks. Okay, and where was it in peak in 2020?

559. 559. And where is it now? 100. So this is, this is a point. This is a telltale sign. So in other words, you look at it this way. A lot of speculators made a lot of money in Zoom right here.

But it's not 20% over where it was before pandemic. Is it really? It is. Well, because now it is a full on household name. I don't think it was before pandemic. Is it really? It is. Well, because now it is a full on household name. I don't think it was a household name in 2019. That's what I'm saying. Take the spike out and the net value of the company is up 20% over pre-pandemic.

By the way, could you do the exact same thing for the S&P 500? If you wanna talk about the economy as a whole, I don't think it's gonna be the same. No way in the world. But take a look, go to S&P 500. We're talking depression area. Or the doubt.

You want to go to the doubt? No, pick an index you like. No, no, that's an EFT. Because that's an EFT. That's an EFT. ETF. Go to SMP 500. Why?

I didn't know Tyler knew that. That's spiders. That's pretty impressive. Tyler, man. Former Goldman Sachs advisor to now helping out on the podcast. Go to five years. Tyler, I don't know yet. Okay, I'm bleeding.

Tyler, you're gonna come work for me. There you go. What this shows is that the economy, and this is where you gotta give some credit to our friend Joe Biden, 2019, where was the S&P? Below 3,000, right? Where is it now?

And then it went down to 2,000. Now it's at above four. Where is it right now? Okay, so according to the stock market other than that blip in 2020 we're doing better But by the way, zoom's not gonna go away. What zoom is showing that zoom stock. I'm glad you brought that up What that is showing us is People are going back to work at the office. That's exactly right. That's exactly what that's that's it. 20% pandemic. So then that's interesting. Would it be, I'd be curious to know the correlation between a market being up

versus that if 20, we have 20% more people working from home now than they did five years ago. I think that's probably a right number. 20% is a little bit more virtual than before. I think maybe it's like a 5% or 10% hike. There's still a lot of people 20 is a little bit more virtual than before. I think maybe it's like a five or 10% hike. There's still a lot of people that are working for home, by the way. Okay, so last but not least, let's pick a last time.

By the way, Joe, you made it. You got five minutes left, baby. I don't know if you know, bathroom break. You're getting, you got five minutes. I'm hanging there. I'm having fun. I need more coffee.

And hey, since we're talking numbers real quick, we got 3,500 people watching, okay? 900 people voted. I knew it.% of them say that you're a Democrat Disappointed on these guys Scrooge off. Is it is a time to come right now? It's a sample who absolutely yeah, man His his word is gospel with this audience, you know, honestly sometimes I can't believe they said His word is gospel with this audience. You know, honestly, sometimes it gets me off.

I can't believe they said this fact here. We love our value-takers. Hey, Joe, first of all, you came, you know, the audience likes it and respects. Whether they agree or disagree if there's one thing our audience respects is a person that has the guts to come here and talk and has shit out on a podcast. Because it's different than when you're on a Fox or CNN

or MSNBC, you got 30 seconds to give an answer. You can actually get deeper here And we all learn and the more there's a fight the more the audience wins and I think the audience definitely won Today, so podcast You might talk into the guys about your podcast what you talk about on your podcast I don't know how to find you a white flag I'll do it quickly because pat everything you just said is right Which is why I like what you do here and which is why America needs more of this because I don't know how to find you. White flag. I'll do it quickly, because Pat, everything you just said is right, which is why I like what you do here

and which is why America needs more of this. We're so fucking siloed. We only talk to people who think like us and believe the things we believe in. We don't want to get smarter. We just want our ideas confirmed. So this is great stuff that you're doing. I appreciate it.

I have had fun. I needed more to eat. I've had too fucking much coffee. I've been a very divisive political figure over the last 10 years. So I launched this podcast called White Flag with Joe Walls to try to do something about that divide every week. I sit down with somebody who doesn't think like me. And we spend an hour and a half debating, talking, having a conversation about an issue, had

a guy on two weeks ago who said we should forgive all student debt. Bullshit, I said, a horrible idea. But we had an hour and a half respectful conversation about that. So that's all I'm trying to do right now. You probably have a hard time finding guests who agree with you. You're going to find Democrats, you're going to find Republicans, you're going to find them. Like, can you give us some Republicans, you're gonna find them. Like, can you give us some examples?

We can't, we got one minute, we got it. I don't know what you're going to do. I don't know what you're going to do. So anyways, let's put the link below to his podcast. By the way, a bunch of people are saying they respect the hell out of you for coming on and being on the podcast. And I don't want my Democrat, even though I'm a Democrat. You're saying it, I'm not saying it.

You're saying it, that's what you're going to go by. There it is. I know, Tyler, don't put that. It's a real time bun. 500,000 views. Sure. A short clip. Tyler, first thing I've heard is college.

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