PBD Podcast - Dave Rubin | PBD Podcast | Ep. 286

Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Did you ever think you were made here? I think you were made here. I feel I'm so close, I could take sweetly the thurry. I know this life meant for me. Yeah, why would you plan on colliding when we got bett David? Value payment, giving values, contagious,

Starting point is 00:00:15 this world of entrepreneurs, we can't no value that hate. It's how he run, homie, look what I've become. I'm the under one. Oh, man. OK, so we got a friend in the house, a man we love. Dave Rubin, how you doing? Good to see you. PBD, I must say, you know, I do a lot of these programs and some people say I was a pioneer of the podcast and going independent and all that thing, but you guys run an operation. I mean, now we're in the live studio

Starting point is 00:00:45 Yes, do you have to explain to people why there's no one here, but we're all here the reason why is because this building Yeah, how many air ACs does this one have 12 ACs the other one has one and you know I run hot So how 28 ton AC unit that we have to bring from a whole different place long story We wanted to be cool, so we decided to do it here, man Because we don't want to be sweating. The last podcast we did, we were sweating. Vinnie and Adam passed out at one point after that. I'm a fan here.

Starting point is 00:01:12 You're going to be OK. Anyways, Vinnie strikes me as someone that sweats a lot. Middle Eastern? Yeah, it's bad. It's bad. He's got that Middle Eastern oil gene. Anyways, guys, we've got a lot of topics to cover. We have to talk about your guy, Governor Ron DeSantis.

Starting point is 00:01:25 Yes. Especially after this weekend, you know, with the events that happen at Turning Point USA and why he didn't go to Turning Point USA. And I'd love to get your feedback on that. And what happened at the blaze event, which was an incredible event. What Tucker did to A-Sun, what Tucker did to Mike Pence,

Starting point is 00:01:41 potentially finishing off his career. I mean, we'll talk about a poll I ran on me having Vivek DeSantis, Tim Scott, and Mike Pence on what happened to it. Then I ran one with Vivek against RFK, what happened to which was kind of interesting. And then a couple other stories that we got. One is the border, some stuff is going on at the border we want to talk about. A story came out from inside, which I thought it was very interesting, because to them, they said, what is microaggression?

Starting point is 00:02:09 15 things people think are fine to say at work, but are actually racist, sexist, or offensive. You actually have to read this to see what people are saying with that. And then Ron Proman calls out studio executive who said strike will cause home losses, be careful, mother effort. We'll show this video with Ron Proman.

Starting point is 00:02:32 He seems like a very pleasant, nice sweetheart of a guy. Yeah, great guy. And the person he's calling out, 27 million dollars. You may 27 million dollars. We know who he's calling out. I'll point out why he said 27 million. Rob, you're gonna need to Google this when we get to that point of what happens there. Europe's getting poor.

Starting point is 00:02:51 San Francisco, Mark Benihoff, who about time at the magazine and he owns Salesforce, he says San Francisco downtown is never going back to the way it was. It was, home prices are, you know, interesting things happen with then steep and sustained decline this year is what an economist from Fox Business is saying. Tucker Carlson's about to start a media company. I don't know if you've heard or not, he's raising money behind closed doors. Insider, look at this beautiful headline. You ready?

Starting point is 00:03:20 The number of views for Tucker Carlson's new show on Twitter has dropped by 86% since its launch and by the way It's absolute fake news. We'll talk about that a few other things about politics that's going on But I say let's get right into it with turning point USN FY for some of you guys that are watching We're about to announce the next town hall. It'll be the first town hall We're doing in this building. I believe it's August 4th. I think it is August 4th. We'll do here town hall. We got three more set up after that,

Starting point is 00:03:48 but we'll be announcing the first one. So for those of you guys that want to be invited, because it'll sell out like this text award podcast to 310-340-113 to again, text award podcast to 310-340-113 to add the end of the podcast. I'll announce who that person is and it will shoot you text We'll be able to go by the tickets, but having said that let's get right into it. So I had Charlie Kirk on a podcast Yeah, so okay, and you know Charlie, you know, you know what he's done great job at a young age on what is built with turning point

Starting point is 00:04:17 USA they had you know apparently 7,000 people At the event unbelievable turnout and And I asked them, I said, Charlie, I saw your lineup of guests, the blaze had the Santas, the Abdes, the Abdad. How come you don't have the Santas? Why didn't you invite the Santas? And he said he did. I don't know if you've seen this response or not. I saw the podcast.

Starting point is 00:04:40 But do you think, you know, Governor Ron the Santas not going to the turning point USA event, the criticism that Charlie Kirk gave, it's in your state, it's in your backyard, why don't you go to it? Do you think it was the right move not to go or do you think he should have gone? Well, first off, let me just say blanket

Starting point is 00:04:56 before we do anything else that I'm happy to dive into absolutely any of this, whatever we may agree on, disagree on and have you always been a supporter of us. And fight it out and well, well, we should. And, disagree on, and hack it out, and fight it out. And well, we should. And one of the things that I think frustrates people with mainstream media is you don't know any of these people's opinions.

Starting point is 00:05:12 You watch Jake Tapper, and you don't really know his opinions. You have an inclination as to what they are. Any of these guys, right? So I think it's important that you and I are upfront about our opinions, and then we can hash it out. In terms of going to turning point or not, I've gone to many of those events. It's a yearly event. They used to call it a student action summit.

Starting point is 00:05:29 I think they've rebranded it this year. Look, in essence, it's a, it's a Trump rally. That's what it is. That's the first place I ever met Donald Trump, uh, ended up going to Mar-a-Lago after spending time with him. That's one of the nights that kind of converted me to be a Trump supporter in the first place. But virtually everyone there is a hardcore Trump supporter. If I'm not mistaken, DeSantis did do it last year with Trump.

Starting point is 00:05:53 They were both there last year. As for him not doing it this year, look, I think it was at the day before that the Blaze event was, and Trump was not at that. So everyone has their own calculations. I think for DeSantis, probably optically, it was a good move not to go because you know you're going to a Trump base event where people are gonna go bananas for Trump, and they like you, but they're gonna be

Starting point is 00:06:17 a little afraid of applauding for you because we know how rabid that base is. So I don't know that there's some message that he couldn't get out otherwise. Could he have shown up and would he have done his usual thing? Sure, but I don't think it hits you either way. To be quite honest, I actually think Trump not going

Starting point is 00:06:33 to the blaze thing was far more damaging in terms of your ability to get your ideas out there because Tucker, first of all, Tucker is mostly a Trump guy. He's never flat out said that he voted for Trump or something like that. He's criticized everybody by that. But he criticized, but especially on fire, I won't dispute that.

Starting point is 00:06:51 I won't dispute that. Yeah. But I think that would have been really interesting. If you want to see Trump do an honest sit down with someone where he's not just fighting back and forth like he would on CNN or something, it's like Tucker's the guy, right? So I think Trump should have been there. That to me strikes me as more of a missing piece than DeSantis at the other.

Starting point is 00:07:13 So here's what I would say to that. For me, it's naturally going to be a Trump event because Trump was a president. So I think if De Sanctus was the president and flipped this entire scenario and turning point to the US, it was campaigning for the Sanctus in 2015, 16, they helped them and Trump helped pick up Charlie Kirk when he said, 24 years old, he helped me. And then 2020 becomes a Trump event

Starting point is 00:07:40 because Trump was running, the Sanctus was in the picture. Flip it. If 2016 was the San the census and he becomes president and then he goes and helps Charlie Kirk and in 2020, it's a the census event. Of course, the turning point you say event would be a the census event and Trump would have to come to enemy territory essentially but he would have to do that because that's what you want.

Starting point is 00:08:03 So if you look at whether I saw Wilkindia, they asked the The Sanctus to question. By the way, right now the last thing you want is for every single show to go to Every he doesn't go to podcasts, but he goes to all these shows and he likes 10 minute shows 20 minute shows the Sanctus and Even when we talk they're like, yeah, he only likes 20 minute shows. Why do you only like 20 minute shows? Why not do two hour when we talk to like yeah he only likes 20 minute shows why do you only like 20 minute shows? Why not do two hour show? Why not sit down do long form? So every one of the shows he goes to what's the host asking the first question. Hey what do you think about the criticism the media has given you about the fact that you are no longer ta ta ta ta ta ta and you're no longer you know you're not willing to go out and talk to people

Starting point is 00:08:40 and all this stuff. If 20 people ask you, that becomes a reputation. So I think for him, I would say the other way around, anywhere the leading candidate goes, is an honor for that person to have them. Meaning the blaze is lucky to have Trump because Trump is the leading candidate. But the Sanctus showing up and saying, yes, to Charlie Kirk, which by the way, here's the other thing

Starting point is 00:09:05 to be thinking about Charlie Kirk. Let's think about it from this position here. How long will Trump, I'm gonna talk very logical and we're gonna talk purely strategic, not an emotional, okay? Who matters more over the next, how long is the Santis planning on being in politics? What do you think his timeline is?

Starting point is 00:09:24 Is it fair to say the centrist going to be in politics a lot longer than Trump is? Oh, for sure. No question about it. Can we say 20, 30 years? Longer. I would say 30 years. 50 years.

Starting point is 00:09:34 Perfect. Let me ask you a question. Whose lifespan is longer in the political space, not literally lifespan, although that can be also calculated, is Charlie Kirk going to be in political space longer than Donald Trump? Obviously, yes in political space longer than Donald Trump? Obviously, yes.

Starting point is 00:09:46 There's no question about it. The longer than Donald Trump, of course. It's going to be Charlie Kirk, right? So to me, when you have somebody that's got a, and maybe Charlie has the most important voter to Republican Party, which is suit, the guys in their 20s, because you could have that vote for 40, 50 years, you don't want to go there, think about 7,000 younger people are sitting there saying, you don't want to come earn my boat, I don't know man, I'm kind of offended. That could last 20-30 years. So I don't know if I'm a strategist behind closed doors and we're having this conversation and we're

Starting point is 00:10:19 saying hey guys, we're going to choose between one of the two, we got the blaze, which again, Glenbeck is one of the guys that's on the Mount Rush Maraudest Peak. He was a show nobody would ever miss. He crushed it. And he was a one guy. I met yours. I'm like, this guy's an incredible talent. And he's a very good communicator.

Starting point is 00:10:34 Yeah. But if you see Turning Point USA, to say you skipped that, and it's a Trump place, that could have been an opportunity to come in and give a message and win their vote. Don't you agree? Yeah, I don't disagree with that. Again, we're not privy to all the calculations of what anyone was doing on any given day.

Starting point is 00:10:50 Trump said he had some prior engagement for the blaze thing. So it's like everyone makes their calculations. I think there's more wins to showing up. If you're confident in what you're doing, then there's more wins to showing up. So as I said, DeSantis would have given a great speech. The applause probably would have been more tepid than the rabid Trump base because turning point. And again, I've done plenty of things with them.

Starting point is 00:11:11 I like and respect Charlie. I've known him for many years. In essence, there are a nonprofit, as I understand it, there are a nonprofit that really is a Trump campaign fundraising organization. Like there is some weirdness there. And I think maybe DeSantis didn't want to get fully mixed up in that.

Starting point is 00:11:29 But I see wins in showing up. And I think your point to DeSantis is obviously number two. He's not number one at the moment. So you got to make some of those inroads. And we shall see how it continues. You make a good point because when I went to a turning point USA's 10-year anniversary fundraiser, some of the people there were uncomfortable on the position that they were taking with Trump because some of the dissentist guys were there and like, hey, you know, I don't

Starting point is 00:11:59 know if I'm going to contribute because I'm more dissentist, I'm not Trump all this stuff. So that was an objection that some of the donors have to address. I also don't know all the legal ramifications of when you're running a nonprofit, that's a political nonprofit. You can't directly endorse a candidate. I think they get as close to that.

Starting point is 00:12:16 I'm not sitting here trying to start nonsense. I'm just saying, there's always that fine line between like, oh, we're putting these people up to talk about their ideas and so that they can express themselves versus, we're tacitly endorsing them and in essence raising money for them. That's a very fine line. So for me, I think from the span of, okay, for media,

Starting point is 00:12:38 we're gonna be around for a long time. The only person I can fire us is gonna be the man upstairs. That's it. So if I'm either dead or God says you're done, no problem. I'm not doing it. This thing's going to continue on its own by telling us it's going to do what it's going to do. But we're going to be competing for the next 40 years. Yeah. So if we're going to be competing for the next 40 years, it is very imperative of us to look at young talent that's coming up, that's formidable, that are true believers, that are capable to say, I think that guy could one day be a superstar.

Starting point is 00:13:11 Like for example, the Tucker moment when John Stewart came to try to bully him, we've all seen that whole thing crossfire and he's trying to bully him. And in that moment, I just want to know, when Tucker got off stage, what did he tell himself that night? Or his best friend or his wife, if he was married at the time or his girlfriend or his family, what did he say to them? Did he say something like, I'm going to kill this guy. I want to know that because, oh, I bet you were nugget was planted. That was a seminal moment for sure minutes for sure. And if you talk about john student tucker

Starting point is 00:13:45 maybe mainstream something while you know it's john stuttle this up with tucker is in a whole different level at the same league but by the way john stewart has become far more of what he was accusing tucker uh...

Starting point is 00:13:55 then tucker right because they were sitting on crossfire yes and stewart basically walked on that set and said you are the reason talking to tucker you are the reason for political partisanship and hackery and the hatred and blah, blah, blah. And it's like who actually has added more to that

Starting point is 00:14:11 in the last decade? I would say John Stewart has been a far worse arbiter of those things than Tucker. Tucker, actually, if you escape what the mainstream media says about Tucker, Tucker is constantly talking about crossing the divide. He's trying to talk about what populist things will bring us both together. Talking about his actually classically liberal roots, constantly. John is the one who's gone completely bananas

Starting point is 00:14:34 left. So there's been a real shift in there, and I wonder, that would be a great conversation for them to have. That would be a foul. Not a foul conversation for the tutu out. But okay. So, you know, I watched the governor on Fox, a couple days ago, I don't know who he was, but he was with somebody, it was a 15 minute clip I watched. And the gentleman interview, he's somebody that people who watch Fox should know this guy, he's very good at what he does.

Starting point is 00:14:58 But he asked a lot of good question, and hey, you know, what are you gonna do with this, and what are you gonna do with that? And then the scientist kept going back, the Republican voter knows this, and you know, what are you going to do with this and what are you going to do with that and and and the scientists kept going back the Republican voter knows this and you know I owe what we've spent this and and I owe we're doing meetings and people are showing up we were having some meetings that was 30 40 people and you know when you say stuff like that and it's like well what do you think about the fact that you know some people are claiming you're not a marketer you're you don't know how to sell the

Starting point is 00:15:23 campaign you don't know how to do this. What are your thoughts on that? Well, if you look at it, I'm here to do a job, and if you look at what I've done in Florida, do you think we are seeing and witnessing where the whole idea of what Nixon lost to John F. Kennedy years ago, because Nixon was a very qualified candidate.

Starting point is 00:15:48 More qualified than John F. Kennedy. Nixon was essentially a, Ron DeSantis, forget the Watergate example, just set that part aside, where Nixon had to learn how to go be a little bit more of a shaman, more presentable, and he had to go work with some people behind closed doors, do you think that's a fair criticism that Ron is getting and do you think that's going to hurt him, or do you think no, I think it's irrelevant, he still has a shot.

Starting point is 00:16:12 Well, you know, last time we sat on this very stage, which was probably about four months ago, you brought that up, that there's a marketing issue with DeSantis. To me that's, and I'll repeat what I said that time, and then I give you a new twist on it. To me, that's a very solvable problem. I think what you want out of a candidate are two things. You want basically, does this guy roughly believe in the things that I believe in politically? Or do we have enough stuff that we kind of agree on that I can support this guy? And then do you think that this guy can accomplish it? That's, that I think is the bigger one now. Because I think we have a lot of people who say the right things, but can they actually do it? Now, in my estimation, obviously, Decent is,

Starting point is 00:16:49 he checks those two boxes. Does, is there some level of a marketing thing? Well, look, he has not done your show. He absolutely should do your show. So I don't know where you guys are at internally with that, but he should. You know, just yesterday, I think they announced that he's doing Megan Kelly finally.

Starting point is 00:17:04 Now, she's been very critical of him, partially because he has not done her show. It's a great move to go on that show. He's going on Jake Tapper today at 4 p.m. So that is an interesting moment. He's basically, his position with the mainstream media has basically been, you guys lie about everything. I'm not gonna play your game. As opposed to media has basically been you guys lie about everything I'm not gonna play your game as opposed to Trump where it's you guys lie about everything

Starting point is 00:17:28 I'll constantly play your game, but now he's realizing okay, I gotta get in on that so we'll see what happens with him and Tapper. I would love to see the guy go on Rogan. He should he should just say off hand. He should say hey, I'll do Rogan Why not? Why wouldn't I do that three hour thing? not just the 20 minute thing? He should sit down with those harpies on the view and let them say all of the crazy BS nonsense. What is it? What is it? I don't, I don't, I can't. Is it fear?

Starting point is 00:17:54 No, I don't have fear. I don't have fear. I don't have fear. But is it fear, is it somebody behind clothes or holding back, or is it, I'm too good for that? No, well, first of all, again, I'm not... You're spilling for yourself, you're opinion of what? I'm just giving you my opinion on this.

Starting point is 00:18:09 I think they're running a campaign and everyone runs a campaign a little bit differently. I think they probably wanted to test the waters. When he announces, we believe this is the best guy. He's sort of the most functional and competent. Let's see what happens, what it does to the polls. Now, it clearly did not do to the polls what they wanted, so now they have to dive in in a little bit of a different way. As I've been saying on my show for weeks now, you know, the first debate is not till

Starting point is 00:18:34 August 23rd, so we're still a month away from the first debate. Do you guys know when the first votes are cast, the first primary? Do you have any idea? Well, August 23rd and Milwaukee, that's the first debate. Correct. Do you know when the first primary is, do you have any idea? Well, August 23rd and Milwaukee. That's the first debate. Correct. Do you know when the first primary is? Do you have any idea?

Starting point is 00:18:48 It's January. So we are still basically seven months away from votes being cast in the first primary in Iowa. So this meme out there that he has to drop out now and it's such crazy nonsense. I'm not sure about that. No, no, not you, not you, but you get this from the Trump people now. It's like he better drop out to save his political grab.

Starting point is 00:19:09 I have to say that. David, there's a lot left game to be played. Of course, we're in a first quarter. We're literally seven months away from the front. We're not even in, we're in the pregame of the pregame. We're in the locker room before the pregame. And all of those pieces have to fall into place. So I think they were trying to do a slow burn and to your point as marketing and to your credit by the way this is exactly what you said three months ago and you were

Starting point is 00:19:32 right because it has not lit fire uh... you got it you got a change tactics i think the tapr thing today is going to be my gut feeling is something interesting is going to happen there that might shift the the narrative a little bit because what he needs he needs a little bit of the rf k juice whether whether i agree with rf k on everything or not and i had them on my show last week it's like he's got some of the zeitgeist of i think what the santis is missing people know he's competent they know he's he's a good governor and all that stuff

Starting point is 00:20:00 but it's the zeitgeist thing that that gets you to the all the pieces you're talking about, like how do you market that? And with RFK, there's the policy stuff, which is some love it, some highly dislike it. There's also the personality stuff, it's sort of two sides of the coin. You see RFK pumping those weights, like it takes a shirt off, it's like,

Starting point is 00:20:19 what is this guy running for the next Hulk Hogan, or what is he doing? The Sanctus is challenge. challenge is certainly not a policy thing. In my opinion, which we've discussed, it's a personality thing, it's a marketing thing. The guy played baseball at Yale. Dude, get out there through the ball around, hit home run, hit a dinger, do a big poppy walk around

Starting point is 00:20:39 the bases like be real. Yeah. What people love about Trump is dude, he'll get out there and give you that strong and shake-dum thing. I mean, he's out there. No, it's incredible. Trump is against a marketing genius, arguably one of the greatest marketers of all time, and you're missing the marketing game.

Starting point is 00:20:59 That's the big challenge. You know, I would also, I do agree with that. And the funny thing about Trump is, it's like he's the fakes person in the history of the world and also the most authentic person. It's amazing how he can do both. That really is probably the true. I'm the real biggest fakes, the realest guy you've ever met in your life.

Starting point is 00:21:13 Which one is I don't know either. He's literally a non-human color with that crazy hair. That's the fakes thing you can imagine. And then his lifestyle and all of those things have nothing to do with the ordinary man. And then yet, obviously what you're saying, and from when the times i've been with him there there's a real human in there and that's the thing that i think people are trying to connect to the sand this you know it's also like in some ways it's sort of why we end up

Starting point is 00:21:37 probably where we're at politically and why politics in the modern world almost can't work because we're sort of asking for a best friend and a father and a bro and a whatever and it's like I have friends and I have a father and I have a brother so I'm not really looking for all of that I'm looking for a competent executive and I think that that's important but yes should he get out there and I want to see the guy in a t-shirt I've said that to them like get the he should show up to the guy in a t-shirt. I've said that to them. Like get the, he should show up to Rogan in a t-shirt, not in a suit, but just, or with you, or just like some of that, I guess.

Starting point is 00:22:10 Be real. The first time I, you know, the first time I ever met him in person where we actually spent some time together one-on-one was backstage when I did a show with him last June. And we had about a half hour, and all he wanted to talk about actually was baseball. Which was awesome. And my buddy who was joining me on toward my body man, he was baseball player too. So they totally hit it off, talked about. And it was like, that

Starting point is 00:22:33 is the thing that I think people are kind of looking for. I think that that's what you're looking for. It's certainly what you're looking for. And I just think patience, you know, everyone wants everything at once. Dave, I hear you. It's a long game. We're in the second inning to use a baseball analogy. But there's also missed opportunities. So you played baseball at Yale. The guy's an athlete. He's a stud.

Starting point is 00:22:53 He was a Navy jack officer. Jack officer. It was just the MLB All-Star game. Dude, get out to the All-Star game. Give a little, you know, throw on the mound, whatever it is. Just be real. And then people are like, yo on the mound, whatever it is, just be real. And then people are like, yo, I didn't even know he played baseball. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:09 Amazing. Again, I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually-

Starting point is 00:23:17 I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- I'm not actually- the first voter's cast in January, but you're also missing these opportunities for the average guy to be like,

Starting point is 00:23:25 oh, I didn't know that he played baseball. Well, you said, I didn't know that he's a real guy. Yeah, and you guys said, like, marketing, Donald Trump, I don't know where, like, when we were at the UFC. Show's the almost 80 years old. You look back, it's a midnight, you're like, is he?

Starting point is 00:23:36 Is he? And he's been doing that. And then you actually nailed it. I'm Pat, Charlie Kirk, you put it, you called him out on, you didn't call him out, but when Charlie Kirk was like, I call Trump, this is an accessibility. Call Trump, two rings, hey, what's up?

Starting point is 00:23:47 Yep, I'll be there. By click, they go, we couldn't even get to the center. They can get to the center. I saw Charlie say that, and with all due respect, that's slightly nonsensical. He's in it with Trump. And there's all that money there in the fundraising. And as I said, Durning Point is basically a campaign arm.

Starting point is 00:24:02 So it's a little disingenuous. But if they could, Charlie, it's a little disingenuous to be like, oh, I can get the guy that I've been on the campaign with for six years on the phone. I can't get to Santis. Like, it would be easier for me to get to Santis than Trump, but that doesn't prove that to Santis is more accessible.

Starting point is 00:24:18 You know, you really like to share that. But like, if it was just Trump to Santis, but he also did mention, yeah, I got a RFK run in the line, I got Nikki Haley on that, I got Tim Scott on that. He's developing a narrative, and like, listen, we're people that were like, we want you to win, we want you to do well. He's developing a narrative of not showing up,

Starting point is 00:24:36 of sort of playing like, playing it safe, playing pre-vent defense. And if you just look at the polls, look at the polls, look at the polls. I love polls, They love me. It was neck and neck in February and now it's a four to one lead. You know, national, national polls actually mean nothing. You guys know that.

Starting point is 00:24:53 Kill him, yeah. Absolutely nothing. You have to win a couple of primaries. And I think he's going to do really well in Iowa. I think he's going to do well. I think he's going to do well in New Hampshire. Then South Carolina, come South Carolina is going to be the wackiest of all of them because assuming, well, Nikki will certainly be in it, but assuming Tim Scott is still in it,

Starting point is 00:25:10 that thing's going to get split in a lot of weird ways. So it's very possible Trump comes out and he's 0 for 5 right at the beginning because of some new things. So that's why I'm saying everyone just has to, I know it's sort of like we're all in the talking class and everyone's obsessed with the, and by the way we can talk about Vivek too who obviously he's had a nice couple days

Starting point is 00:25:28 But I just think you know, there's a tortoise in the hair situation here and everyone has to kind of be patient But I get it from the marketing perspective. I fully get your perspective. Listen policy wise Yeah, we've said this over not what here because of him. Yeah, yeah, like this isn't a the both of you by the way. Yeah. What do you mean? There is no shots here taken about policy, which is what matters. Yeah. Which is what matters. The policies is what matters. But my God, you need help to sell the policies to others. I have guys. I'll never forget. So at the beginning when I started running a business I would I recruited this one guy

Starting point is 00:26:08 His last name. I'm not gonna say I'll say first in Steve. Okay, he was a cop and He comes in and I'm looking. I'm like, oh my god. This guy's gonna be an incredible salesperson for us He's gonna kill it. He's though. He was in his mid 40s good-looking guy blue eyes in shape would run all this stuff I'm like this guy's gonna kill it. First week, he gets his insurance license. Second week, he gets his 6 and 63. Third week, he gets his PNC license. Fourth week, he gets his real estate license. By the 20th week, he's got 26 licenses.

Starting point is 00:26:36 He has not sold a single file. He has a different disaster. Everything about every product, all the technical stuff, but have no clue how to sell it We would sit him in front of a client and we would say sell Couldn't do it he would freeze. I would say sell me. There is no camera close the door. Let's role play He couldn't do it. These were these are these are types of things where somebody for me Does he have a marketing team does he actually have a marketing and a PR team?

Starting point is 00:27:05 I don't know. I don't know. So I would probably immediately hire somebody to give three different perspectives. You know, story came out about how Kim Kardashian, that's a weird story for me to give. Kim's like, I thought I was fashionable until I started dating Kanye. And one day Kanye comes in and calls it and he looks at the closet and he says, you have no taste. All you do is you wear what everybody else tells you

Starting point is 00:27:30 to wear because you're following the fashion and the trends. He says, he takes all her clothes out of her closet, trashes it. She says, we can't get rid of it. Do I have to really throw it away? You have to throw all of this stuff away. He gets rid of all her stuff and says, I'm gonna fill it up.

Starting point is 00:27:49 Wow. And you're gonna be a trend setter. He brings it in. Kim goes from being a girl that was known for being famous, party and all this, Ray J, all this stuff. All of a sudden, Kim is now a fashion Nova. People are now watching what she wears to go. So meaning it can be fixed

Starting point is 00:28:05 Yeah, but you got to bring a marketing person behind closed doors That's the only thing that's missing and I don't know if they want to do that. They they're one You know how you and I like basketball were both sports and you look at the team. You're like Miami-man there one piece away. They need one guy Jimmy's a dog They got a good team, but they need one more guy right Vincent went to LA But they need one more day another guy come to mind. Okay. They got a good team, but they need one more guy, right? Vincent went to LA, but they need one more guy. Damn, no other guy. Come to my team, right?

Starting point is 00:28:27 I don't know if he's the guy, but we'll see. He needs one more person. You look at certain teams are like one away, one away, one away. I think the Sanctus is one move away. It's a brilliant marketer behind closed doors to just say, let's test this. Didn't work. What do you want?

Starting point is 00:28:41 Who are you? What matters to you? Can you tell me what you like? What do you like? Stop saying, here's what America likes. No, What do you want? Who are you? What matters to you? Can you tell me what you like? What do you like? Stop saying, here's what America likes. No, what do you like? What are your interests? What's your style of parenting?

Starting point is 00:28:52 Tell me about your family. Tell me about this. Someone's got to draw that out of them and it doesn't happen. Again, I think that's an absolutely fair criticism. I would also say there's something we're going on here with the internet in terms of how we respond to good and bad. Meaning if you watch the forum, the blaze forum, right? What were the clips that really went viral?

Starting point is 00:29:11 It was Tucker demolishing Asa Hutchinson, who nobody cares about, right? The guy was polling at negative six. He's done. What was the other clip that went viral? It was Tucker demolishing Pence, right? So that goes viral. Now, if you watch Tucker sit down with Nikki and DeSantis specifically, there were no flubs.

Starting point is 00:29:30 So those clips don't go viral. You basically, how many of the DeSantis clips with Tucker, did you see anything? The DeSantis, the good, the good, the good. Nope, nope, you did great, that's my point. But they don't go viral because nobody's interested in viral, oh, he made sense, it was good.

Starting point is 00:29:45 But I disagree, but I disagree. But that's just the nature of the internet. But listen, okay, we do marketing stuff or professionally, right? So there's an art, it's not like you got 200,000 followers, you got millions of followers and you're everywhere, right? Okay, so you also know it, like if we talk marketing behind closers, you're like, here's what works, SEO data, okay. You can go simply if we talk marketing behind closers, you know, here's what works SEO that are okay

Starting point is 00:30:10 You can go simply on tick to on you on Google right now type in phrases that makes tiktok videos to go viral just just Google that I don't know just search phrases that Make videos on tiktok go viral I don't say 200. 20 years. We shall just start to work. Okay, watch this. Okay, 50 tick tock, go to the next one. If you look at 175 best captions, 100 tick tock captions that would have inspired you.

Starting point is 00:30:40 How to make viral. For example, you open up something and say, let me tell you what I just saw earlier today. If you see this, you're going to be blown away by it, right? Boom. And what is this? I'm any Utah stories. There's an art to storytelling. There's art to creating controversy or getting people to be curious about what you got going on. By the way, it's not hard to teach.

Starting point is 00:30:56 Selling can be taught. Communication can be taught. Creating curiosity can be taught. That is an area they have to make. I don't want to beat that horse. We can go to the next topic. Yeah. I just want to say, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, was phenomenal until it was too late. It was crazy. With Margie Simpson, he says Kanye compared Kardashian to Margie Simpson. That's what Kanye was called Tim Kardashian.

Starting point is 00:31:30 And told her that her career was over when he first saw one of her outfits that he hadn't styled and compared her to Margie Simpson. So fun. Can you imagine that? And then you know when she wins the award, what she says? She, in her speech, she says, I never understood style and fashion until I started dating Kanye.

Starting point is 00:31:48 He changed the way I viewed, and Kim is now the modern day. Some people are gonna say she's not who can pick and choose whether it's her or Margot Robbie or whoever you're, Marlon Monroe, you're a superman. Marlon Monroe, top of a figure, you know, like Elizabeth Taylor, top of a figure. Anyways, I don't see why you have to throw

Starting point is 00:32:03 Margot Simpson under the bus. I'm gonna throw him over under the bus. I know. She's got it all. Can you, can you, we are going to fully disagree on Marge Simpson. No, David's right. She's on the phone. Can you pull up the poll we ran this last week on Twitter,

Starting point is 00:32:16 the two polls, the first one being the, which one was it? No, the other one. Can you pull up the other poll? Yeah. So here's a poll I did. I said, which is four candidates has your vote today? And this was July 15th. Wow.

Starting point is 00:32:29 85,000 votes. After VVAC had some momentum, at Turning Point, USA, a lot of momentum at Turning Point, USA, 85,000 people voted. It's not a million votes, but it's a good amount of numbers to kind of size right there. And this has after Penn screwed up,

Starting point is 00:32:42 but what he said is not on my concern. Penn goes to point, I intentionally didn't put Chris Christie because I wanted to see if this, Tim Scott is really a possible VP candidate for Trump because you've probably read this, it is a name that's being brought up. Tim Scott went to 4%, the Santa's 36, Veevec 58%. So then a lot of people say,

Starting point is 00:33:03 well, how come RFK's not in this, how come Trump's not in this? I'm intentionally not putting Trump or Biden. That's obviously intentional. Those guys are the guys that are the lead dogs right now, the favorite. Then pull up the other one, RFK versus Vivek and this one was interesting. And I'll ask 24 hours, 54,000 voted and it's by eight,

Starting point is 00:33:21 what is it, 1.4% margin? What made you put those two? Very interesting dynamic right there. First of all, a lot of people will say, well your audience is conservative and your audience is this, well no, look at a Democrat beat out of conservative. Well, so that's why this one strikes me

Starting point is 00:33:36 as way more interesting because obviously like my audience, your audience is gonna lean right. Let's say I'm sure they're all over the place politically but basically leaning right. And that's what's so interesting about R.F.K. which is what I'm sure they're all over the place politically, but basically leaning right. And that's what's so interesting about RFK, which is what I'm saying DeSantis has to do. He has to capture some of the zeitgeist that RFK has. So I had RFK on last week, and he gets into how he was at a party with Hillary Clinton

Starting point is 00:33:58 like a month ago where she said to him behind closed doors, why don't you get out of the way we all want Biden. Like that's juice, that's something that Hitler wants to talk about. That's what Hillary, yeah, he said many people say it to me, even Hillary Clinton at a party, I think he said on the Upper East a couple weeks ago. So like those types of things, you know, Hillary, RFC, Hillary, yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:17 Kinda like the DNC said it's a Bernie in 2016. Right, just get out of the way, Bernie. We want Hillary. And by the way, if you don't get out of the way, they will put you out of the way. So Hillary is want Hillary. And by the way, if you don't get out of the way, they will put you out of the way. So Hillary is very comfortable and familiar with these types of things. But you want them being a plumbing tool.

Starting point is 00:34:30 Also, Chris also has a similar phrase, move blank, get out the way. Get out the way. The thing is with RFK, I asked him right at the beginning. I told him right up front, I said, I'm not sure how much you know about my politics, but I used to be a traditional liberal and a Democrat and all that

Starting point is 00:34:45 i cannot associate myself with the democrat party marisa why are you still a democrat and he kind of fumbled i i like him a lot we had a great conversation but he's sort of mumbled and fumbled through the beginning of the answer he doesn't know from what i can tell he does not know why he's a democrat uh... anymore other than his name is can you think he's a democrat well he's running as a democrat you think he's a democrat uh... any more other than his name is can you think he's a democrat well he's running as a democrat you think he's a record i think what he is in

Starting point is 00:35:08 essence is he somewhere roughly where i am which is that he's a disaffected liberal who who in many ways is a libertarian and then has some use of the government he's an old school and i know for the most part of the time for great people which in essence in my view that means you really have to vote for Republicans. And you're on, I would say, is the more moderate wing of the Republican side, but that's a whole other thing.

Starting point is 00:35:31 But I thought it was, he also told me that he has had no contact with the Democrat Party. Now get that, think about that. When you talk about the how they'll move you out of the way, this guy's pulling a 20-some-odd percent. His name is Kennedy. He's getting a lot of juice in our world.

Starting point is 00:35:47 And he has had no, they will not take his call. What is rising is that though? No, it's not surprising at all. They want to unknowing by the end of the world. Lucky if they don't kill him. No, that's not possible. Yeah, Dave, I was saying if this was the 70s, he probably would have been killed.

Starting point is 00:35:58 They would have killed him already. He ever seen a shock. Patience, you've ever seen the documentary. Oh, no, he's in disguise. You've ever seen the documentary of a Bush senior and how it ends the end of the Bush type in George Bush senior Ross Perot If you type in in in YouTube if you type in George Bush senior Ross Perot He's being asked questions about a lot of different people Ross Perot ruined his career well And at the end he says so he's being it's a very nice documentary

Starting point is 00:36:24 Everything's going smooth. It's gonna be hard to find it. I mean, it's the end of the documentary. I'll find it on Twitter and I'll retweet it. So, and he says so, President Bush, what do you have to say about Ross Perot? Oh, I don't wanna talk about that man. I don't wanna talk about, I don't wanna talk about it.

Starting point is 00:36:42 And he gets, it's the only time in the document, it's in the last five minutes of the documentary, where he gets angry, talking about Ross Perot. Okay. Literally cost him the election in 92. And yeah, and by the way, RFK is literally gonna cost Biden and everybody on the left of the election. Biden is senior RFK could be Ross Perot. If he runs third party, he will.

Starting point is 00:37:07 He has no choice because here's what's gonna happen. Let me kinda go through with you. So here's a guy that's with him last week. RFK, we had a very good conversation together, two weeks ago, he and I called him out of the blue. I said, you crush it on news nation, absolutely. On every issue, you were unbelievable. And he says, thank you for the call.

Starting point is 00:37:26 But if you think about it, Dems are not calling you. Okay, why would they call you? So where are you gonna get your support from? You can't, you know, hey, Charlie says, hey, why don't you come and talk to, turning point you, I say, you saw his answers, I say, hey, I don't know if you know or not,

Starting point is 00:37:40 I'm running as a Democrat, not as a Republican. Yeah. Okay, so I get it because if he goes his concern is everybody in the mainstream media is going to say he's a closet Republican. That's what they would have put him as. He knows what the games are going to be. This is a guy that's a pretty strategic guy. I kept thinking he's just saying the things that I thought five years ago about myself. Like, oh, if I talk to those people too much, you can just want to option.

Starting point is 00:38:01 By the way, he's not a Republican. He's not a Republican. No, not a Republican. He's not a abortion climate change. Not a Republican. Even affirmative action. He's not a Republican. You saw what he said. We got into it. What happened the other day with the other stuff? The clip maybe we'll show it. The thing that's hurt him this week with what the cause of COVID and all this stuff. We can get some commentary on that as well. But to me, he is a libertarian, classical liberal, is who he is. And for guy like him, the moment they oust him, do you think RFK comes across as a guy that just disappears and goes in his own way and, you know, on his own and just kind of retires and doesn't do

Starting point is 00:38:38 anything, goes to the gym and works out at Golds gym. No, he'll do that. But he'll stay in the right. Who went after the number one guy that everybody was afraid of going after, which was Antonio Fauci. And he writes a book about him, okay? And not any book. A book that blows up and gets viral with all research and nobody, nobody went and said,

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Starting point is 00:39:46 to realize what the Democrat Party is, but that thing, the Kennedy Democrat thing is so in his blood, I think he would struggle with the idea of sort of being the guy that destroyed the Democrat Party as an independent run. But how about this? How about this one for you? If you want that good out for him, how about, because I asked him at the end of our interview, I said, you know, we know your feelings about Trump, we know your feelings about Biden,

Starting point is 00:40:07 what do you think about DeSantis? And he basically for three minutes, right at the end of the interview gave a beautiful, all the reasons why he thinks DeSantis is great with COVID lockdowns, all of that stuff. Then at the end, I could sense suddenly, he was like, oh shit, I just said too many good things about the Republican, I better say something.

Starting point is 00:40:23 And then he kind of, in a very flippant way was like but he's mean like that was the that was the the throws a baseball like a girl right exactly like he needed to do something right he suddenly was like i got to do something because he's a republican on the democrat now i don't think he actually really believes it i think it was just what he what sort of came out of his mouth at that moment but here's the here's the out for him because i don't think it's going to be a third party. The out is, now imagine you have DeSantis as president, whoever the VP is. It's not going to be RFK.

Starting point is 00:40:52 You have whoever the VP is. How about he brings on RFK to do exactly what RFK has done for the last 40 years, which is attack these agencies and blow apart the agencies. Has the VP? No, not as VP. So you bring in whoever is VP. I think it could be Kim Reynolds. It's my gut feeling, but it doesn't matter again.

Starting point is 00:41:09 Kim Reynolds, or who? For VP, as DeSantis. I definitely think that's possible. But putting that aside, if you bring him on as the, let's call it the czar of demolishing the agencies, he's going to be the guy that goes to NIH. He's going to be the guy that goes to CDC. He's going to be the guy that goes to CDC. He's going to be the guy that goes to the Department of Education.

Starting point is 00:41:28 The guy who has been a lawyer fighting these monsters for so many years, and that's the exact job you give him. And it's also somewhat apolitical. So you don't have to agree with him on abortion. You don't have to agree with him on climate change, et cetera, et cetera. I think that's something he would relish in doing. In order for that to happen, et cetera, et cetera. I think that's something he would relish in doing. In order for that to happen, the great, the greatest governor during COVID has to fully commit

Starting point is 00:41:53 to being a better marketer, because there's zero chance that'll happen if he goes the way he's going today. And I'm telling you right now, remember the phrase I said, I didn't say zero chance that's gonna happen. I said zero chance is gonna happen if he goes the way he's going today Right, so that brings us to the earlier

Starting point is 00:42:07 So that's so for me now. Let's say that doesn't happen. Okay. Let's just say Trump is a nominee Yeah, right now after turning point USA 85% some of the polls. Let's just say he's got he's got a big lead Whatever 72% but that pole that's like going to an L of his fan club and asking how many of you like L this more than I don't know how to pull up the polls right now anyways pull up the polls right now I make one quick point of a short rfk and it kind of goes back to this more than you front and ultra? To pull up the polls right now anyways. Pull up the polls right now. Can I make one quick point about your RFK? Sure. And it kind of goes back to your point that you were making with George W. Bush and Ross Faroe

Starting point is 00:42:32 and 92 and essentially playing spoiler. And the conversation about running as a third party, we don't think he's going to do it, but he might do it. The third party situation at the libertarians, you get the green party, Andrew Yang, the fourth party, I don't know what's going on with that. How familiar are you guys with what's going on

Starting point is 00:42:47 with this no labels party? It's starting to pop up in conversations and a lot of private equity guys, I guess, have pumped in $100 million, whatever the crazy number is. It's the, they're gonna kind of see how it goes and they're gonna look at who's the nominees and they're gonna sort of pick a Republican and a Democrat or they're going to look at who's the nominees and they're going to sort of pick a Republican and a Democrat or they're going to do a Democrat Republican and sort of torpedo

Starting point is 00:43:10 who they don't want to win. How familiar with the situation? I know a little bit about them. I mean, they've been around for a while. It seems to be getting a little bit of seam right now, but these things happen every couple years and nothing really happens with it. It sort of reminds me of like a Yang kind of situation where it's like Yang all along, all the sort of liberals who weren't complete woke maniacs,

Starting point is 00:43:28 where I was like I support Andrew Yang because it was the easiest simplest thing to do instead of saying you support Trump or you're just not gonna vote Democrat. So these organizations kind of come around every now and again, a few people who don't really wanna make a decision about anything because they wanna go to nice parties, they support it and then nothing, nothing ever.

Starting point is 00:43:46 You're kind of nodding your head. No, I'm not. Listen, okay guys, Andrew Yang, Vanilla. We had him on the podcast, I'm like, dude, why do you say something? It's boring. Listen to you right now. Because if you're some boring, I don't know if you remember this or no. Yeah, but you're looking for a way to talk.

Starting point is 00:44:00 Listen, you know, that's good. Say something. He didn't look at the end and we're going to wrap up. Okay. John Kasich, Vanilla. Yeah. Andrew Yang, Vanilla. Uh, uh, uh, you go to any of these candidates that just want to say the right things, you

Starting point is 00:44:13 know, to kind of Mike Pence right now. Oh, that is not Vanilla. I don't even know what I'm talking about. Who's Vanilla? Who's Vanilla? Also establishment language is what he's got. Okay. So if you go to some of these names, the one thing with RFK, that's very different,

Starting point is 00:44:27 and with Ross Perot, that's very different, both of these guys are 100% true believers. Yes. They're not acting. There is no acting with RFK. RFK is like, this is who I am. Listen, as an environmental lawyer, this is the guy that if he's gonna sue you, this is RFK if he sue you.

Starting point is 00:44:48 You know who he is? You know how sometimes most lawyers that want to sue you, what do they do? Lazy lawyers. What do lazy lawyers do? They set up a meeting, hey man, look, my clients got this, you're probably not going to get this, probably going to be three years over this and they're going to be saying, why don't we settle this for two years and then we have a million dollars, and that's what lazy lawyers do. And 90% of lawyers are lazy.

Starting point is 00:45:07 They just want to settle behind closed doors. Then you have the 10%, then you have the 1%, then you have the 0.1% of the annoying lawyers. RFK is that annoying lawyer? You don't want to go up against any exposed found. How many hours do you think he spent writing that book to research everything he possibly can on Fauci. So the reason why I'm saying this when a person put that much time, business owners,

Starting point is 00:45:36 there's going to come a time when you run a company that you hit a breaking point and this breaking point is the final. It's like playing poker. You know, you're playing poker and you're like, all right, you slow, play, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit, 50%. You know, river, yeah, I'll go again, another one. And then comes the river. And you don't know if the guy hit it,

Starting point is 00:45:58 because you missed it, but you got a nice decent pair, but you don't know if the guy hitting the river, he got a slush or a straight or whatever, maybe, right? You have to sit there and you gotta be like, you either, like, yeah, I'm good, I'm out, or you're, okay, I'll call you. RFK is all in. There is no going back with RFK.

Starting point is 00:46:18 This is not a guy that's having somebody telling him what to tell the world. RFK doesn't have a marketing guy telling him him say this, say that, say this. He's such a true believer and fearless that he's telling you what he believes in and he doesn't give a shit if you like it or not. He's exposing these guys. There is something very attractive by the way.

Starting point is 00:46:38 Marketing isn't about, yeah, Tony Robbins and you can do it. That's not marketing. RFK with his voice, but because he's going so deep in the way he exposes everybody, that is a form of marketing and storytelling and exposing. I think this guy is gonna go, the Democrats are gonna trash them. I think the Democrats haven't even started with the whole demonizing of addict, heroin,

Starting point is 00:47:04 did you know this, X-Wifed, I don't think they've even started with the whole demonizing of addict heroin. Did you know this X-Wyfe? I don't think they've even started. Like they're going to start in about six to 12 months, watch when they start trashing RFK saying stuff that's so embarrassing, they're just hanging on to that. And they're going to make the call. You know what he's going to say? He's going to say, go right ahead, man. You guys have played this on before a long time.

Starting point is 00:47:23 He's not going to let him do that. And then when behind closed doors, he's by himself and he's not under the bait stage with Biden and he's going to be by himself sitting there saying these mother you killed my dad you killed my uncle 28 years old I went through a 14 year of dealing with drugs because what you guys the establishment that to ruin my family and look what you've done now you've divided divided my own sisters publicly, call them out. No problem. Watch.

Starting point is 00:47:48 I'm doing this now for my dad. You guys killed. I get the chills thinking about that fire. You can't fabricate that fire. When I look at RFC, I see that fire. It's very unique. It's not a, can you give me the 17 scripts on what to say to hit this point? Hit this point.

Starting point is 00:48:04 He's not that guy. This is a true believer. So this is why I believe for him. It would be a can you give me the 17 scripts on what to say to hit this point hit this point. He's not that guy This is a true believer. So this is why I believe for him It would be a shame and I'll say this if he's watching this It would be a shame if the Democrats don't give him the Stage and the time to sell his time. He's like yeah, I get out of here Just want to step it out. I'll kill her Clinton step out of the way like they did to Bernie Elizabeth Warren all those other guys It would be a shame if he didn't run as a third party. It would be a shame.

Starting point is 00:48:30 If I'm a betting man, I would be so disappointed if RFK didn't run as a third party. I would be so disappointed and surprised if he didn't eventually run as a third party. You have to. They're not going to give you the stage time and your message has to be heard by everybody. There's a reason why you're doing so well.

Starting point is 00:48:50 There's a reason why when you talk, he goes on a podcast like, I'll go on, the way I get you, I'll go on YouTube, right? So I'll say, let me see how that guy that has an interview we as a guest, not interview work, right? How do you do as a guest? Because some people are very good interviewers, but they're not good guests. You can go as a guest, not interview work, right? How do you do as a guest? Because some people are very good interviewers, but they're not good guests. You can go on a guest, nobody wants to watch a podcast

Starting point is 00:49:09 because once you watch one or two of your videos, it's the same stories that kind of know what you are. You can't give opinions on this, and this, and this, and go seven layers deep on finance, and six layers deep on politics, and family, and this, and we already know what you stand for, it's done, right? And you're going YouTube, I'll go on Fox, and I'll say, okay, the cent is on, how many views?

Starting point is 00:49:27 160,000 views, damn, which I was talking about. A 728,000 views. And Vivek was getting 30,000 views, and he was getting 40,000 views. Now 280,000 views, interesting. So RFK, 2.8 million, 2.2 million, 1.6 million, and million 1.6 million and he talked about this and he talked about this Guys, it's so difficult to compete with a true believer and again if I am a betting man He's gonna run as a third party all he's thinking about is dad and his uncle and the legacy of the men who came before him that they killed him

Starting point is 00:50:02 The establishment killed his dad and his uncle. Two of his heroes they killed. That doesn't go away. That doesn't go away. And sometimes in a family, you know it's like a crisis takes place. You don't know which of the guys. Like you almost have to kill everybody in that family. Because that's gonna stay.

Starting point is 00:50:17 And they killed, they didn't kill this guy. Sometimes you killed the wrong guy. And you're like, yeah, we have to be careful with that guy. Don't worry, that guy just wants the girls. He just wants to be on cover magazines. That guy in the back that you didn't kill was the one that loved mom, dad, legacy more than anybody else. You screwed up and guess what?

Starting point is 00:50:35 30 years later, wake up call. He's been waiting for this moment. That's what I think. I think the key part of what you're saying is, can you have that come to Jesus' moment with the Democrat Party? Can he really fully realize? That's gonna happen. What, when, no, no, I'm saying can you have the moment to jesus moment with the democrat party can he really fully realize what what what when when no no i'm saying can you have the moment where he realizes how we will it is and then makes the move

Starting point is 00:50:50 that you're saying because again having just interviewed him when i even when i talk to him about affirmative action uh... he it was very clear to me you know because he was against the decision so meaning he's for affirmative action which is the systemic racism if you look at a bunch of people by their skin color and decide who can go to work college or get what job etc which i disagree which i really just do i made my feelings here but but it was interesting listening to him rationalize it because he was using a lot of old democrat logic

Starting point is 00:51:18 meaning oh well i grew up in jim crow south and i know what it was like that he says all of that gives you all of that and i know that the Democrats were fighting for the black people and all that. And then, but when he gets us now to 2023, he's like, but you know, you don't really solve former discrimination with current discrimination. And I actually get your point, Dave, and I don't feel very strongly about it. So he's struggling, he's having, that's his internal struggle that probably sits right next to everything that you just laid out there. I want to burn these MFers down, but I also still have these weird associations with the party that my father basically built. So that's-

Starting point is 00:51:56 He's one of the most dangerous and- That's a challenge. He is probably like when the Democrats go to sleep at night and they fear one person, if I were to put top three names on that list, one of them is RFK today. They can't stand him, they fear him, they're so annoyed by him, they hate the attention he's getting, they hate the fact that he's loved, the one thing that all these guys can't get, he's getting, why do they love him so much?

Starting point is 00:52:18 I'm more important, don't they realize I'm a president? He's not even a president, I'm the guy that made it to the top. Why do you guys love him more than I'm Hillary Clinton? Why are you guys giving them so much attention? People are not realizing that there's a big difference between Those who planned on one day becoming a president like a Hillary Clinton who in the womb her first word when she came out President You know, and then you know, okay, and then no this guy's like no man. I just want to be around my dad I just want to be around my dad. I just want to be around my family in that book.

Starting point is 00:52:45 And don't forget, he is a Kennedy. On the list of democratic names of all time, you know, arguably you get Biden right down on the bottom, you got Obama, you got Clinton, upper echelon top of the list, Kennedy. And the DNC does not want him making waves. Quick question, because you brought up the word voice, and you just interviewed him.

Starting point is 00:53:05 It's a very simple question. No, he has a, what is the situation with his voice? You can Google it. He has an actual medical condition. That's leading to the issue. And believe it or not, I do think, sometimes we talk about these sort of ephemeral issues or the things that you can't quite put your finger on.

Starting point is 00:53:21 Whatever the condition that he has, I think we can find it here, I actually do think that affects a certain amount of people's ability to listen to him. It's an unfortunate piece, but it does. People are asking what's going on with his voice. Oh, I guess it's a neurological, oh, dysphonia, I think it's called. But how many times have you interviewed RFK?

Starting point is 00:53:38 Multiple times. Right, and you speak to him on the phone. So what's your take on the situation, medical condition, and that's pretty much it. Listen, let me explain to you how life works and how weird these things are. OK. I went to an event in November of 2003.

Starting point is 00:53:56 I was in Pasadena, Billy Graham is speaking. And this is the phase where I'm kind of struggling with faith and all this stuff. I'm an atheist, but I'm Christian. And I'm, you know, I take this girl who's a Persian. She's with UNICEF and UCLA girl and I'm taking all these guys. We're sitting there. This is Abilogram Spoke. And today, we are here.

Starting point is 00:54:18 A hundred thousand of us at the Old Pasadena rose bolst and he's talking like this. Okay. He says, only have one message for you and one person says in this side. Start screaming. You're the Antichrist, you're this, you're the devil, you're this. And everybody gets upset. He says, let him say everything he wants to say for five minutes, he doesn't say anything. And he lets this person rant.

Starting point is 00:54:44 Okay. Let's this person rant. And he he says all I have to tell you is God loves you. Do you know when he was speaking like that Adam the entire you know how it was was like this why are you moving oh stop opening the chips I can't hear the guy stop dude sit down can you shsh we were all like hundred thousand people at Roseball I went every single day to watch him for four days except for one day because I was doing the training on Saturday morning and I watch this man He didn't have energy he walked up in a walker and You know you're just listening to this guy, but what you felt 100% was a man's conviction. Dude, conviction communicates in ways

Starting point is 00:55:31 that a great motivational speech written by the greatest motivational speakers, double-checked by Chad G. B. T. and everybody else, it'll never resonate with people. What RFK has, that very few these people have, is conviction, And that's what you and I feel. When we watch him speak, we feel the conviction. It's very unique. And there's a reason why it's resonating, it's great in momentum. So for me, as a guy that's

Starting point is 00:55:54 interviewed him and talked to him multiple times, and people would say this stuff about his voice, sometimes people like that, they're like more like, wow, did he just, oh wow, oh wow. I actually, I would have said this three years ago. It's an issue. I don't think it's an issue today this much. So not on the marketing side. No, I don't. What do you feel? So for the things that you differ with him, probably abortion, probably affirmative action. Oh, guys, I don't at least have a mechanism. I don't want to make it seem like he's my candidate. Right. Right. You know, I'm not sitting there telling you that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:22 No, not at all. I don't agree with them with affirmative action. I don't agree with them with, you know, other areas politically. All I'm saying, what I respect about him, you know, the old Bernie Sanders. I respect it about Bernie, because Bernie really believed in what he was talking about when he was going against anti-establishment

Starting point is 00:56:39 until all of a sudden they scared a crap out of him and he stepped out. I don't think you can do to him what you did to Bernie. I don't think you can do that to him. I just don't. You know in life when you go through, when you've lived a hard life, everybody has lived a little bit of a hard life, but some people have really lived a hard life. And there's, you know how they say there's a level to hear, I made a hundred thousand dollars last year. Great bro. I made a million dollars last year. Great. You go walk into a room with a bunch of

Starting point is 00:57:08 deck of millionaires out of country club I made 10.2 million out oh my God that guy walks into a room made a hundred seventy million oh my God hundred seventy million out of guy goes into billion oh I'm a billion oh shoot the billionaire goes into the deck of I'm a 12 bill hmm the 12 billion goes to Elon Musk hmm and then Elon Musk goes to Putin or a couple the oil guys. He's like, oh shit, I don't have oil money, right? But the point is there's also levels to pain.

Starting point is 00:57:34 Think about the biggest pains you can experience in life. You know what happens to a man that has experienced that? You have a man like Teddy Roosevelt. You lose a kid. You lose wife. You lose the people you love, you lose troops, peers, best friends, bro, you've been broken so many times, like you just like throw whatever the hell you want to throw at me.

Starting point is 00:57:55 That's where I'm freaking out. I'm not afraid of you. Throw any shit you want to throw at me. You can't break me. I may be wrong, but as a guy that gets paid to read people, this is my job for the last 23 years as a person that's running sales organ, I have to read with your full ship whether you're going to do the work or not.

Starting point is 00:58:13 That's what I get paid in the industry I'm a part of. I get a feeling RFK is as real as it gets. And we have this one misconception about marriage, relationship, friendships, candidates that we have to agree with 100% of what this person believes in. I think that's a naive way of thinking. I think that's an elitist way of thinking.

Starting point is 00:58:36 I think that's an arrogant way of thinking. You and I don't agree on everything in life, but dude, I love you. I love spending time with you. I actually truly, when I see you, I sincerely get happy when I see you, I'm like, I like this guy, right? We don't agree on everything, but I like your company. Like, I have a lot of people around me that's like that.

Starting point is 00:58:52 I'm still working on you. You don't know, you don't know. Okay, get there, don't worry about that. Give us a couple years, we'll baptize you as far as trust me. Just hang around, babe. We're pretty good at persuading people. But the point I'm making here is, I don't need to agree with 100% of what RFK says.

Starting point is 00:59:07 I don't need to agree with 100% of what Trump does, or desantis does, or any of these guys. What I am against is manipulation. Yeah. I don't feel manipulation with RFK. What I am against is the dark establishment stuff. I don't feel that with him. So if you're sincerely wanted to go at bat with me and we're competing, but you're sincere about it, I actually respect you. But if you have dark

Starting point is 00:59:29 vibes, you're not going to have primes. I don't get that feeling from RFK. Well, I completely agree with that and I definitely feel the same way about you on a personal note, but I can tell you by after doing the hour with him, even though we have those disagreements, I didn't discuss those disagreements with my team at all. It was like, those things do not matter. The heart, the spirit of what you're talking about, that's the thing that matters with him. That's the zeitgeist thing that, again, I think we're talking about how DeSantis doesn't have that,

Starting point is 00:59:56 at least as of yet. And those things are, you know, you got to figure out how to deal with those two things. And you also have to figure out, again, the two questions that I said at the beginning yeah do you rough in terms of who you're going to vote for do you roughly agree with this guy on the policy stuff and you think he can do it that's separate than what you're talking about on unlike the purely yeah spiritual mission that he's

Starting point is 01:00:16 a has a secret weapon and if you know this you know who is wife is yeah he's married to Larry David from curb your enthusiasmuzzi as his wife. Cheryl Heinz, yeah. So there's a marketing guru behind the scenes pulling some strength. Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know what it is.

Starting point is 01:00:33 That's what I know. I understand that's his wife, but the Sanctus has got Casey. And trust me, Casey's, I would put Casey as number one. I don't put anybody head up Casey. I'm not, when I watch Casey, as number one. I don't put anybody head up Casey. I'm not when we, when I watch Casey, I'm watching, I'm like, oh my God, you have my vote. Who are you as a first lady? Full blown qualities, communication of being somebody

Starting point is 01:00:57 that I believed or there was not, I'm like, I like this girl. And she looks like Jackie Kennedy out. Find a picture of her in one of those outfits that she wears like an inauguration and then compare that to a Jackie Kennedy picture. To her face when we all met, I said you should speak as much as possible. By the way, I wasn't speaking about our kids wife.

Starting point is 01:01:14 Talking about Larry David. Yeah, no, I can't. In his corner. Well, you know, you know, you know, Larry David in his corner. You know, you know, he's Biden's campaign manager. You know, he's Biden's campaign manager. Hunter. No, no, no, no. That's his, I don't know, who's Biden's campaign manager? You know who's Biden's campaign manager? Hunter.

Starting point is 01:01:26 No, no, no. That's his, uh, I don't know, who's the president of the C.A. You know, who's playing the role that's Katzenberg. Katzenberg is a guy that's behind closed doors is essentially like the campaign manager that's doing all this stuff. Well, why wasn't Biden here? We don't think he needs to right now. We think it's too early.

Starting point is 01:01:41 We don't think we need to use our money and our resources. We have to rush. We have to rush Katzenberg. The Katzenberg. need to use our money and our resources. We have a rich cats in burgundy the cat somber Jeffrey Jeffer do sir. Yes movie producer. Yes, if you can Google is I think it's the same cat. If he produced let me weekend at Bernays He's gonna do the weekend at Bernie's just put this time around It's Joe Biden just put those together, okay? Put cat somber Biden zoom in any of the stories okay Biden's a yeah, this is the new me power in 2024

Starting point is 01:02:05 in any of the stories, okay, Biden's age is super power in 2024. Yeah, yeah. Katsumberg is the guy, the XCO, deep China, Wifetime, Donate's $1.7 million. Yeah. Anyways, let me say the last thing about the Santas. Let me say the last thing about the Santas. I think, oh man. So, okay, you know, you mentor different people and you see certain things about them

Starting point is 01:02:27 You know your insecurities. I know mine securities. Most people have insecurities some try to hide it Some are very good at permanently hiding it and in some people are like this is my security like we know Adam came and he says hey Charlie you got a big head. He says nah, I have a big head I'm sure I actually you got a big head. He says, no, you have a big head. You've got to rush up the right. You have a very big head, right? No, I said your head looks a lot smaller. Yeah, I lost weight opening. I've got a big head.

Starting point is 01:02:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that big head just went down. But you know what? Here's a question for you. Here's a question for you. Here's a question for you. Who do you think in life has made the least amount of mistakes?

Starting point is 01:03:03 Watch this question. In life, who's made the least amount of mistakes. Watch this question. In life, who's made the fewest amount of dumb decisions in his life. RFK, Trump, Biden, DeSantis, Pence, who do you think's made the fewest mistake? DeSantis by far. Yeah, DeSantis. That's the problem.

Starting point is 01:03:21 That's the problem. Why is that a problem? What an interesting point. You ever met other than he's much younger. Let me tell you, no, that's not it. That's got nothing to do with it. RFK Vivek is super young. It's not, it's not the cool. Vivek, I think it's 38. I don't know how you think it's 39. It's got nothing to do with age. This has got to do with who's made the fewest mistakes as the Santas. Do you know nobody puts more pressure on the Santas than

Starting point is 01:03:43 himself? I don't know the dynamics of how he was raised with mom and dad. We all like to keep a little bit of as a secret. You know, even in the book, Joseph Kennedy, I'm reading Joseph Kennedy doesn't want to reveal a lot about his relationship with his mom and dad. He just doesn't want to be because he wants to identify as I made my own money. He didn't want to give that credit to his parents. When I watch the Santas, I almost feel like his entire life has been nope. I

Starting point is 01:04:03 can't kiss that girl because people are going to say this. Nope, I can't punch that guy in the face because they're going to say this. Nope, I can't do this because this, nope, I can't say that because of nope. I can't read this because one day if I ever run and they find out I wrote this paper on my graduate and they're going to say this, I think he's that guy. And I think he needs to have a one-on-one conversation with himself and say, listen man, it's okay to make mistakes, bro. All these candidates have made more mistakes than you.

Starting point is 01:04:23 America doesn't relate to perfect people. America relates to broken people. America relates to people who have made mistakes. America relates to people that are not perfect. He is too perfect. Did you happen to see the video during COVID when he actually broke down, crying when he was explaining that they had locked down those people and people didn't get to divide their parents? Yes. I think that's the moment that you're looking for. You're looking for that sort of honesty. It's interesting because I'm with you on that. But to another extent, this also strikes me sort of like

Starting point is 01:04:52 the marketing thing. We're holding something against the guy. We're sort of saying he's too functional in a way. And that to me strikes me a bit as, oh, he's accomplishing too many of the things we want. He's too functional, he does it. He doesn't make these crazy mistakes. He doesn't have the sloppy errors and so on.

Starting point is 01:05:10 No, I know that's not exactly what you're saying, but in terms of what we're gonna vote for ultimately, like we've got a guy that really has the package. I think, I agree with you, that there is a vulnerability that maybe we should see a little bit more, a certain raw passion, we should see a little bit more. And that's why I think that moment that I just referenced was

Starting point is 01:05:26 was a good one. I know I actually I actually think this is Ron has got to go away. I don't know how many times in my life. You want to do ayahuasca? No not ayahuasca. No, Ron if you're looking for a partner. Ron, stop yelling. No, no, but let me tell you a lot of times I would say Jen I'll see you at dinner. I'm staying at the four seasons. I gotta go think. And you would come into my room and there was all these, you know, these big papers that you write on,

Starting point is 01:05:52 but I like the ones with the tape and the back-way, you can't pick it up. You would come into my room and there's like 60 of them against the wall. Here's what I'm gonna do with this part of my T-Cole. I'm gonna do this to raise them this way. Here's what my plan is with Dylan this way. Here's what I'm gonna do with this company. This is what I'm gonna do with this part of my T-Cole. I want to do this to raise them this way. Here's what my plan is with Dylan this way. Here's what I want to do with this company.

Starting point is 01:06:05 This is what I want to do with this part of my health. I don't like my weight. I'm at 258. Can't stand it. Here's what I want to do with my marriage. This is what I want to do with God. This is what I want to do with my finances. This is what I want to do with my investments.

Starting point is 01:06:15 And everything is how to get there, right? But the most important part when I did these exercises and I got away from everybody, including my wife, I don't want anything. You can get a hold of me. The only person I can get a hold of me is my wife. I'm in my room. Trust me. Call me. I'm right here, right? Phone is off. Everything's gone. I would go into sauna and I would sit there

Starting point is 01:06:32 and for two hours, I'm in the sauna, jacuzzi, all this up and I'm just thinking, what do you want to do next? What are you doing this for? Why do you need to make the next move? Why do we need to go to the next level? You versus you, P.B.D. nobody exists. This has to matter to you. Why? Why? Why? Every time, if I got to the moment where I'm breaking down by myself, I always came out with better moves. This guy needs to take a break from everybody.

Starting point is 01:07:01 Get away for two days. It's not a long time. Take a saturday in a Sunday in Jacksonville. Get in a car. You can't go to a hotel. So you've got to kind of figure out where to go to a place that nobody can be security. Everybody can be outside. You need to be away from everybody. And you need to have a conversation with you. Once I'm on a flight back from Chicago, I took a notepad and I wrote down why I'm afraid of getting married and why I don't want to get married.

Starting point is 01:07:27 Out of that paper till today, I bring it back. I put it in my samps of night and I'm just writing, well, because of this happened, it's because of this, because of that, because of this, because of that. Finally, I'm like, you know what? I'm good. Let's roll. You ain't going to get perfect. Well, let's roll and see what happens with it. Okay.

Starting point is 01:07:40 I had to go through that moment in a plane. I'm like, sitting like this is, I don't want anybody to see me. I don't think this is a, let's try to change Ron. I don't think this is a hey Ron You better say the 17 phrases. I don't think this is you know go give these 19 for all that stuff is the how-to I think the why-tos why do you give a shit so much? Go back and see you're a good guy. You're doing the right things you ain't perfect like this whole thing of walking on Exos around yourself, it's got to kind of stop.

Starting point is 01:08:06 Go play ball and you may lose. All good or you may win. All good. But the way you're going right now, what you're doing, I think you're going back to being so afraid of what are people going to say if I say this or write this or do that and it's holding you back. Anyways, we can go to the next,

Starting point is 01:08:23 I'll give you the final thoughts here before we move away from the sentence. No, listen, we can go to the next, I'll give you the final thoughts here before we move away from the census. No, no, listen, you're talking about something existential, something ephemeral, and something that captures that zeitgeist thing that I think is right. You're doing like a Jordan Peterson move on him that I think probably would translate into something

Starting point is 01:08:39 that he wants, which ultimately is to become president, to win this thing and do it. So I actually don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that. And also, it's just a matter of, I think we all have to accept that, we might sit here as relatively functional people and be like, boy, I just want the guy who's the best.

Starting point is 01:08:55 I don't need all the magic tricks. I don't need all the viralness. I don't need all those things. A certain amount of people do. A certain amount of people do, whether we like it or not. So if that's a piece that seems to be missing, you're obviously not the only person saying it. I actually do agree with that.

Starting point is 01:09:12 Fantastic. Well, we're going to go to the next topic. I want to show a couple of the clips of what happened with Pence's last day of a run of her office. And it's a hudges on what happened. Let's do it. But again, guys, we're about to announce at the end of this year the first town hall

Starting point is 01:09:23 we're doing in this building that will happen on August 4th and the tickets are gonna sell out to moment We especially the VIP ones we're gonna meet the candidate and go in the back with the cigar lounge and this person's actually Wanting to go to the cigar lounge and meet many of you text award podcasts to 310 340 1132 once again 310 340 1132 will send a link to moment I announced it at the end of the podcast. So can you play this clip? Tucker Carlson, okay. Tucker Carlson, a conversation that's been coming up with him on, I asked everybody

Starting point is 01:09:55 at Turning Point USA who went there and I'm asking different guys to tell me, who are the stars of the best messages they gave, right? Who are the stars? Some say obviously Trump, then they say Ronald, what is his name, the gentleman that Byron, Byron? Byron Donald, byron Donald. No Donald, it's Donald.

Starting point is 01:10:14 Byron Donald. Byron Donald, yeah. Crushed it. Right from South Africa. Forgive me for not knowing this thing. I know who this guy is. I know who he is, but I was at a music conference.

Starting point is 01:10:22 He's been from four Myers area. The guy is the guy. He is a stud, answer, hey, that guy. Yeah, that's that guy. He's crushed it. How four Myers area. The guy is a stud. Answer, hey, that guy. Yeah, that's my name. He's crossed. How do you feel about them? All the ladies were waving you kisses.

Starting point is 01:10:30 He says, that's great. But the only one that I'll receive in Kisbeck is my wife. He's a very good communicator. He's got charms. I heard Trump. I heard Tucker. I heard him. I heard Kirk, where the best speakers.

Starting point is 01:10:41 But a lot of people said Tucker, kind of. It's all the shows. Well, Tucker, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What I, but a lot of people said Tucker Gunn is the only show as well. Tucker Gunn stole the show. What I heard from a lot of people. But before that event at the Blaze, here's what happened when he asked a very friendly question of a man named Mike Pence. I don't know if you guys have heard of him. He was a former vice president. Here's what happened here. If you can play this Rob, go for it. Along the way, the Biden administration has been slow in providing military support. Make no mistake about this.

Starting point is 01:11:08 We promised them 33 Abrams tanks in January. I heard again two weeks ago in Ukraine. They still don't have them. We've been telling them we'll train their F-16 pilots, but now they're saying maybe January will let somebody transfer some jets. I'm sorry, Mr. Vice President. Have you, I know you're running for president. You are dressed, you are dressed,

Starting point is 01:11:27 that the Ukrainians don't have enough American tanks. Every city in the United States has become much worse over the past three years. Drive around. There's not one city that's gotten better in the United States. I'm having a good time. I can't take it.

Starting point is 01:11:42 No eye contact, look. The suicide rate has jumped. Public, filth and disorder and crime have exponentially increased. And yet, your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people can't find out a map who've received tens of billions of US tax dollars who don't have enough tanks. I think it's a fair question to ask, like, where's the concern for the United States in that? It's not my concern. It's not fair question to ask, where's the concern for the United States in that? Well, it's not my concern.

Starting point is 01:12:07 It's not my concern. Tucker, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern. I'm running for president of the United States because I think this country's in a lot of trouble. Okay, I think, I mean, like, that's the pattern of, that's the pattern of,

Starting point is 01:12:21 none of that makes sense to me. Well, there's so much stupidity there. It's all my concernity there concerns are concerned but we did a large simpson reference i mean he comes off as a nineteen ninety four simpson's republican right like the caricature at the at the castle the lightning sitting with mr burns yeah as well that's one thing uh... the other thing this idea that

Starting point is 01:12:40 he's a he's upset with biden because we promised him thirty three abrums tanks and jimmy uh... met if let's say we gave him 66, we doubled it. Does anyone think the war would be going any differently? It's just complete nonsense. And then the line, that's not my concern. I actually, I will give him a little bit of a leash on that because I think he just, actually, because he's such a robot. I don't think he meant it that way.

Starting point is 01:13:01 Like, I'm not concerned about America. I think he meant I'm not concerned the way you're framing this question. Adam, you brought up a great point. When Tucker says, all the cities in America are crumbling, Miami is not crumbling. Plenty of cities in Florida are not crumbling, and Nashville is not crumbling. I mean, there are some cities there. Not every city in America is doing worse. No, but the ones in America are not.

Starting point is 01:13:22 Certainly, right. Yeah. Well, just maybe happy seeing that, Lil Dave and loving that all have to be with him. Yeah, of course. Well, just make me happy seeing that, no Dave and loving that Americans are just done with that. Yeah, there's a lot. Carbon cut out his hair, it's just, my Jesus, not making any eye contact. He's just looking in the audience like,

Starting point is 01:13:35 like he's getting votes. It's like, bro, people are done with that. What do you think he's doing? Because he was, is this just purely to do a little cleanup job on the association with Trump that he's like I'll try it so that maybe I'll be remembered for that instead of a trump thing like yes, what do you know one person that's supporting him one person that even thinks he should be running he's got half the votes him Scott got on that one poll that we ran no he's done I think I asked the same question with Chris Christie like what is Chris Christie and him doing you're not gonna win So what job are you trying to get are you trying to get a job on what Biden administration? Or is it you know we can go to the dark side which the dark side is what hey Mr. Pence who has lived a perfect life these are three things we know about you

Starting point is 01:14:21 Yeah, we found on how you searched for Google and you searched on this on that day And you did this and you did that just want to let you know you better Respect or else this is gonna be released and when it does your Rankids are always gonna look at daddy as a perv and they're gonna. I don't know. I'm not saying this is the truth or not The only reason a person sounds like this Be look at look at the look on a space right there Look at the only person only person talks like this is because they're scared and they're trying to prevent

Starting point is 01:14:49 something from happening. You can't suddenly flip like this. Look, Scotty Pippin writes his book, that flops. In the interview, they asked them. And they said, so how do you want to remember it as? Do you remember his answer? I don't. He says, I want to be remembered as the greatest of all time.

Starting point is 01:15:08 Do you hear what he said? I want to be remembered as the greatest of all time. By the way, Scottie Pippin is a top 50 of all time. Yeah, top 50. But he's not a greatest of all time. Mike Pence is not a top 1,000 or 500 in that space. OK, he's a good guy. He's a good man.

Starting point is 01:15:24 He's a good husband. He's done very good with his family. But he can't say, I wanna be the president and out to Trump. No, you're not that guy. So the motive behind it is kind of funky, where he's a role player to disrupt and kind of mess up somebody that's ahead of him. He's a pawn that's being used by somebody. Because aside from that, what are you running for?

Starting point is 01:15:43 What are you running for? There. What are you running for? There's nothing legacy wise that looks good unless if you believe that insurrection, I saw a video the other day that showed the following. It shows the video of, you know, the CNN guy is doing the interview and he's shown in the back. There's fires. Yeah, mostly, mostly peaceful protest mostly, mostly peaceful protest. Mostly peaceful protest. Churches on fire behind.

Starting point is 01:16:06 Nothing to see here. You're nothing to see here. Peaceful men and women out here. They're just upset and you see January 6th, they're standing in front of... This is an insurrection. This is it. These guys.

Starting point is 01:16:17 Okay, flamboyant, you're selling all this stuff. And Pence, kind of weird. For me, Chris Christie, I can understand it because Chris Christie... I actually understand Chris Christie more than I understand Pence. Chris Christie is kind of trying to protect his legacy, to go and say, that was a good recommendation with Chris Ray. I actually think Chris Ray's done a good job, so he's defending the recommendations he made. And Chris Christie, you know, probably is Envious, I think Chris Christie is more the Envious guy, you know, my concern with them. I think he's a topic I love Chris Christie's more the Envious guy, you know, my concern with him.

Starting point is 01:16:45 I think he's a topic I love to have him on the podcast, but it's very hard. If you want to control the national debt that's ballooned, but you have a hard time controlling your own national debt in your body, you know, you got to first cut off some of that debt of whatever you're eating. There's a legit optical issue there. Yeah, so for me, I actually understand Chris Christie's fight. I don't understand P fight at all and by the way watch what he did with ASA you want to play to clip with ASA

Starting point is 01:17:10 ASA's question with COVID was like game over at 15 seconds this thing didn't last that long. This is a 20 second Yeah, I hear cut to watch this The powers that government did you serve? Over the past several years years is the right to decide what medicine you take in the form of COVID mandates. How did you feel about that? And how many COVID shots did you take and how do you feel about it now? In retrospect. How many COVID shots did you take? Zero. Zero. But just no hesitation.

Starting point is 01:17:46 Look, he's not really running. It's a complete farce. I don't think we have to waste two brain cells on Aesah Hutchinson. There's an interesting thing here with Tucker, though, because, you know, asking someone their personal medical history is a bit of a slimy move. I like Tucker as much as you do.

Starting point is 01:18:01 I was on air at the height of COVID on Fox LATV with Gloria Allred, you know, Gloria Allred, famous civil rights attorney, Gloria Allred. And she asked me on air on live TV, if I had been vaccinated. And I said when was the last time you got laid because those questions were equally. That was a great question, you know.

Starting point is 01:18:21 That's valid, yeah, that's the moment right there. Yeah, you have to play this. I don't want this year. Yes, children could transmit the disease, although they rarely do, but the parents are all vaccinated if they're good decent citizens. So I don't really understand the connection actually. Are you a good decent citizen or are you vaccinated? It's nobody's business, whether I'm vaccinated. That's like me asking you the last time you got laid. I mean it's just. So you know what's really really beautiful that it's one thing if you have the right to choose for your medical. I'm just I can't let this nor yours is mine. Let me clear finish. You know what's so crazy about that clip that

Starting point is 01:18:58 woman is a civil rights attorney. She's a legendary civil rights attorney. The idea that she would go on to television show and ask somebody their medical history is so insane and then actually try to coerce me and the viewers into doing something that turned out to be complete nonsense. By the way, when I was saying good and decent citizen, I was obviously being sarcastic. But the point is that Tucker asking him that was, I think there's something to think about there if we want to really go down that road and I'm I'm not back and is what it is. But the other thing is you know Tucker never said it until then which I thought was interesting

Starting point is 01:19:31 because he was on Fox for you know basically two years post mandates and all that nonsense and it would have been interesting had he said it when he was there or said I can't get into the building because I'm not back so I'm, that's not a judgment call on Tucker. Everyone has their own calculations, but he obviously was waiting for this moment to fight so much. So let me ask this question here. Let me ask this question here.

Starting point is 01:19:52 So what's Tucker's fight? So there's a few ways to look at this, right, on what Tucker wants to do. And everybody gives a different answer. All right, I think he's trying to do this, he's trying to. He's definitely not doing this, he's definitely not doing that, et cetera, et cetera. OK.

Starting point is 01:20:09 So a lot of guys, if you think about the lineage of what makes for great president, is it former military? Is that what makes for a great president? Or those days are 40 years behind us. It's no longer about the military. Is it a great media person who is a celebrity, like a Arnold, or a Trump, like is that what it is?

Starting point is 01:20:28 Is it a journalist, like a writer, a Churchill, a Netanyahu somebody that's been in that space where you kind of know every story that's been going on for 10, 20, 30 years. A businessman? A businessman is another one, because media could be different than a businessman, like Arnold is a businessman.

Starting point is 01:20:44 Jamie Diamond. Jamie Diamond, Trump guys like that. What is the best one? So so Tucker is Tucker a great King Is he a king maker? Is he a talent? Is he a person that is helping out a candidate today because in a person that is helping out a candidate today because in 2028 he's gonna all of a sudden announce that he's running and he's gonna

Starting point is 01:21:09 become a two-term president. Does he want to go out there and be a media mogul billionaire, Rupert Murdoch? Does he want to be a Roger L's King maker? Does he want to be a Russia limbaugh replace all of that time? Stan, what do you think Tucker's next place? What's your what's your policy on the F bomb on the party? No, you're good think Tucker's next place? What's your policy on the F-Bomb on the pilot? No, no, you're good. It's totally fine. I'll tell you, I'll give you an exact quote from Tucker.

Starting point is 01:21:30 The first time Tucker came to my house, was in my studio when I lived in Sherman, Oaks in LA, and I had my studio in my garage, and it was very early on of anyone actually being independent, building their own studio, all of the stuff that you've now done. He walks into my house, opens the door to the garage. I'm sitting on set already, opens the the door and this is exactly what he said He said holy fucking shit you did it man

Starting point is 01:21:53 Meaning I had built a television quality broadcast quality studio in my garage It blew his mind. He then wrote in the book. He wrote he wrote you're doing it for all the suckers like me We're getting a paycheck for someone else. So I'll tell you this, I think there's two things there. On the micro level, his biggest desire right now is to build some sort of network, be the new independent voice, really do what we are doing. Really, I think he sees that as the future, I think he's now incredibly angry at Fox, obviously. I know he's not, he seems very at peace personally,

Starting point is 01:22:28 but I mean, there's gonna be a vengeance level there. He wants to build new media. And then there may be a political play beyond that. I actually don't really sense that from him. I think he senses probably like you sense when people say to you, why don't you run for president? Or when they say to me, why don't you run for governor?

Starting point is 01:22:43 It's like, I think there's a way we can affect things in a bigger way from the outside and still maintain our dignity and our good lifestyles and all of those things. I think he's really into that. I think he's happy driving his little golf cart around his little island in Florida and all of those things. So I don't see the political part, but I do see the media empire part.

Starting point is 01:23:00 And to really, he loves ideas, to shape what the discourse, especially on the right will be culturally. I think that's his thing. Well, I mean, the story came out, the fact that what pages that unwrapped, the story came out about him raising money. There it is. Reuters, Tucker Carlson to create a new media company, Wall Street Journal reports. This is on page 12, and I think they're raising $100 million. Former Fox news host Tucker Carlson and former White House advisor Neil Patel are looking to raise funds to start a new media company that could potentially be anchored on Twitter. The Wall Street Journal

Starting point is 01:23:35 report on Friday, the duo is looking to raise hundreds of millions of dollars to fund the company. The reports that citing people familiar with the matter. The company would be anchored by longer versions of the free videos that Carlson has been posting regularly on Elon Musk's Twitter since his departure from Fox News, but would ultimately be driven by subscription according to the report. Carlson and Fox News agreed to part ways in April after the whole $787 million lawsuit with the Dominion voting system by airing false allegation, rigging claims, etc. So, and then at the same time, insider comes out with a story talking about the number of views where Tucker Carlson's new show on Twitter has dropped by 86% since its launch.

Starting point is 01:24:16 Tucker Carlson's new show on Twitter has experienced a staggering 86% decline in video since its launch in June, the latest episode, Garner, 3.8 million views compared to the impressive 26 million views on the first episode. The drop in Carlson's viewership on Twitter coincides with the overall decline of the platform. Twitter advertising sales plummeted 59% recently, partly attributed to an increase in hate speech. Additionally, Twitter faces a competition from Meta's threats which gained over 30 million

Starting point is 01:24:44 downloads in its first day and received a cease and the cease competition from Meta's threats, which gained over 30 million downloads in its first day and received a cease-and-disclutter from Elon Musk's attorney, a legend, employee poachin and copian. So, two questions, one. There's a lot of nonsense. Let's react to all of it. We react to all of it on one,

Starting point is 01:24:58 them raising money with Neil Patel and two, what insider saying about his viewership dropping. Well, let's do the viewership thing first. One thing you didn't mention there that it says in the article is that Twitter right now counts of view as two seconds of view time. You would never for your podcast count that as a view. And they change it in May, by the way, to be fair.

Starting point is 01:25:16 So there's some question as to what Twitter is doing on the numbers side, because the numbers don't quite make sense. When he gets 50 million views, it's like, well, does that mean someone just literally scrolled past it on their phone, happened to pick up a drink at that moment, so their phone stopped and now that counts as a view. So there is some legitimate questions in terms of what's actually a view and how much that's actually worth. Even if you do an hour long show and someone only watches a minute, did they even see an ad, is there a way to sell that?

Starting point is 01:25:45 All of those things. This concept that there's somehow more hate speech on Twitter is sort of absurd because, as the Supreme Court has decided, there's no such thing as hate speech and actually Twitter is a lot freer now. So if you wanna be in a curated, silenced silo, you should go to Threads, but also, you guys probably saw, Threads usage is down

Starting point is 01:26:02 by about a quarter in a week. And Zuckerberg hasn't even posted on the freaking thing in a week. So, there's a lot of stuff there, but yes, on the on the media side, I think he would love to build what we've built on steroids. I think that's the direction. How successfully he's going to be. How big you think it'll be. He'll have unbelievable access to money. He'll have unbelievable access to talent. I think he has the cultural zeitgeist. He gets what's going on on the right. He also seems in a really good place, sort of mentally and spiritually and philosophically.

Starting point is 01:26:32 So I think there's kind of endless upside there. Rob, I'm tech, by the way, I'm not insulting you by looking at my phone. I'm just trying to get this one because my phone, I've had all of a sudden started updating. I'm trying to send you these two pictures to show on threads because he did say something about threads that people need to see. Rob, I just send it to you here. Here's a couple of things I'll say about the whole numbers dropping off, et cetera, et cetera. Well, first of all, he hadn't spoken for a couple of months, whatever the timeline was. Then his first video came up.

Starting point is 01:26:57 Of course, the first video is going to be an unfair expectation that every episode is going to do what the first one's gonna do. That's not how stuff works out. You have to be very realistic about that. The first one's gonna be four to five times bigger than anything else you do. And it goes back to the normal numbers that people do. I'm willing a bet out of people who watch the first episode.

Starting point is 01:27:18 If I were to ask a thousand Tucker fans, if you watch the first episode and how many have you watched all the episodes after that, I'm willing to bet 90% is gonna say, I watched the first one, but I've probably only seen one or two other after the next one, that's natural, that's normal, that's gonna happen.

Starting point is 01:27:33 But, you know, it's great when people wanna go after a guy they fear as much as they do. That's what's going on here. Tucker being, you know, it rogans the goat and the podcasting space. Tucker is the goat in the mainstream, you know, whatever you want to call it, it's a different kind of a model of a business.

Starting point is 01:27:52 But he's also proven that I don't, you know, he can do the model of Fox, he can also do this. And even his style of the show, you know, he's reading and he wrote it himself when he's going to, you know, people may be helping him, but it's him saying it, him writing it. But when you also see himself when he's going to, you know, people may be helping him up but it's him saying it, him writing it. But when you also see him when he gave a speech, you know, and he's very animated and he's like loose

Starting point is 01:28:12 and he's like, you almost feel like he, you know, it's like I feel like the handcuffs and shackles are off of, you know, what he can and can't say. And he's letting you rip to him, what he's doing. But it's gonna be exciting to see what this guy's gonna be doing. Rob, I don't know if you have the two different data. I want you to see this, what's happened to them? This is threads versus Twitter.

Starting point is 01:28:30 There was a day where everybody is like, oh my God, I love threads, I can't stand Twitter, I'm off. I'm gonna go black as threads. So take a look at this. Boom! Threads is ahead of Twitter. For how long? Half a second.

Starting point is 01:28:43 And then all of a sudden sudden where does it go? boom it's Trending in a bad way and it's forgotten. I go to the next one I sent you to them and this is the other one as well look what's happened there It's pretty much the I've sent two things on threads just to see what it look like Yeah, and how it's done and then it's going back to Twitter By the way, there's a couple things here with threads because you know threads first off if you were to do a Google search on the the mainstream media hits if you just check threads right like they are loving threads right

Starting point is 01:29:11 they want everyone to know that the celebrities are moving to the spreads blown up it's all great if you just do a new search it's all gonna be good there might be one or two things about now how zuck is using a little bit less but everything will basically be positive then if you do a Google news search on Twitter, it's all negative. It's always, Elon did this, hate speech, this, blah, blah, blah. So all that, but the bigger idea with threads

Starting point is 01:29:32 is that what in the world would you have to be thinking to go to a to follow Mark Zuckerberg? The guy who admitted that he was working with the government to censor people during COVID, he's now saying to everybody, hey, I am creating a censorship style Twitter, please follow me to that. And apparently a hundred million people followed him

Starting point is 01:29:53 and then very quickly got bored of it. But the very concept that you would build a new tech company, a new product and app based in censorship and that a crazy amount of people actually want to follow you to that world. I mean, that's a very reverse matrix red pill situation. I'll give like real life bills. He's stolen out blue pills and people are going, yes, I'd like another.

Starting point is 01:30:14 I'll give a real life example that's just basically reaffirming what you guys are saying. So I used to be in the nightlife business so you can substitute restaurant for it or pretty much anything. The blue line is the your venue. Your established nightlife club, your restaurant, whatever. Oh, there's a new restaurant down the block. They're going to open it up. They're going to kick your ass. Opening night, there's a

Starting point is 01:30:35 line out the block. It's like what we would say in nightlife is, talk to me in a year. Is the club still even going to be there? Because it's all all about sustainability and look, opening night, they killed it everyone's talking about threads a week later, nobody's talking about threads now talk to me in a year so let's see if that club still opens up It's not easy, this game is not easy I mean, the threads is the new Google Plus is what it is

Starting point is 01:31:00 The number one website you and I go to to search things as Google and they try to create a social media company and when's the last time you thought about Google Plus? Actually when is the last time you log don't to go to Google Plus? Does it even exist? I don't even think it exists anymore. How many active users are there on Google Plus? Actually, they start. They shut it down in 2019. Imagine the number one searched website in the world launches a social media company based on the search website Google.com and they failed and our Facebook is doing right can I tell you I could also look at CNN plus they're doing well

Starting point is 01:31:35 They crushed me Every They shut down oh my best interview I saw CNN plus The best interview I saw CNN plus is the the one Carrie Lake that it was amazing. She crushed it on that one interview. I don't know if you remember that or not. Oh, you're talking about when she went with a reporter and she's like, where is the other?

Starting point is 01:31:51 What's that I'm doing? Can I, you'll love this Pat? So you know, when I created locals.com, really what I was creating, it was before we, it wasn't even called locals. All I was trying to do was I wanted to build a subscription network for myself, the ability just basically to take what Patreon does

Starting point is 01:32:05 and replicate it so I own it so I could never be kicked off it and build that for my business. We built that for me first. And then after about two months realizing, wow, we're making money, this thing's working. I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. This thing works for me. There's a million creators like me out there.

Starting point is 01:32:21 Why don't we see if we can expand on this? Then we started the company. We obviously got some investment, built out the company and all of those things, but I think what we did first that worked, that Threads did not do, and all of these apps don't do is, we had a problem that needed to be solved, and we went to solve that problem.

Starting point is 01:32:36 You don't want to be relying on big tech, you want to be an independent creator here, the tools to go ahead and do that, and that's what we built, and that's why we merged with Rumble, and that whole story. Threads was not trying to solve a problem no because there what they're there their perceived problem was that There is too much free speech, but that's not a real problem. So everyone going to threads Was in essence trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, you know

Starting point is 01:33:01 It means so when he says on day one, when they launch the thing, Zuckerberg put up a tweet, he said, well, we want this place to be fun. And it's like, well, that's not really what the problem is that people are having fun online. Because I think of Mark Zuckerberg, I think of fun. Yeah, he's the man. But what he also meant right under fun was censored, right?

Starting point is 01:33:23 Because the only way you keep this thing fun and light and happy and everyone smiling you're gonna have to censor the shit out of an awful lot of people so he solves a problem that did not exist and I think people start intuitively realizing that over a couple weeks and that leads to where we're at by the way I will say this he may not look like he's a fun guy trust me Zuckerberg is having a lot of fun whether it's jujitsu whether it's water skiing the stuff that he's doing is crazy how active he is out there so he's an alien maybe aliens on the pouring on the outside we're going to be a billion dollars will do to

Starting point is 01:33:56 and maybe to have fun believe it or not no there's a lot of billionaires who will never do shit like this and they just want to count their money Endorsen is I'm just saying this guy looks like he's having a fun life, but you know, it's funny you say that How many of your DMs on Instagram do you respond to? Me personally almost nothing, but that guy right there handles it Phoenix does Okay, brock. Yeah, okay. How many how many of your Twitter messages do you respond is it also somebody else virtually? Not do you respond to any one of them? I respond to things on locals your response to things on because I built it so that if you really want to Contact me and you want a conversation with me. Yeah, you got it. You got a pony up a couple of times. So what we did is we launched an app called Menec. So Menec, where you know, last month,

Starting point is 01:34:50 we got 60,000 downloads of the app, which was very interesting to see what's happening. You know, we've paid influencers anywhere between $5,000 in a month, $200,000 just last month in the month of June. I think 1% got paid $93,000 last month. The people who are answering the questions. That are responding.

Starting point is 01:35:06 So you have three options on Menec. If you look up Menec.com, you can, you know, people DM you all the time, you're like, I don't want to respond back. I can either respond back in text and you choose your price point. Yep. 10 bucks, 50 bucks, 100 bucks, 500 bucks. And then you get to respond back in text or if you want a video, you can send a video back or you can have a 15 minute face time call with a person or an hour FaceTime call. I think Adam had a day couple of days ago,

Starting point is 01:35:28 he did calls with people, he making $3,000, $4,000 in a day just to him next. I think there's a part there to monetize influencers. And by the way, quick plug, if you're not using a Menec download the app, you have a bunch of different people ask questions, if you're an expert yourself, it's also a good place for you to be on and share with your audience.

Starting point is 01:35:45 By the way, it also changes the behavior of the internet. You know, because of anonymity and because of burner accounts and everything, it encourages the worst behavior possible. You ask people, you know, my community, we leave it up to everybody's locals community, you decide your price point. So mine is $5 a month, I think Scott Adams is seven,

Starting point is 01:36:00 we have people that have 15, whatever it is. But quite literally, if you did 25 cents per month You can completely alter everybody's behavior because once they just put in something You might even be able to do it at a penny. I kid you not once they have to do something That's such a good point. You have completely altered their behavior and it's not that I'm looking to alter behavior in terms of how people think or anything else But if you're gonna be part of my time and my expenses mentally and otherwise, then yeah. That's shut up to the MnAC team by the way.

Starting point is 01:36:31 I mean, what a great app that we got going on over that. Yeah, and we got the team to be thicker right. Now we got a lot of people and what's exciting, what about we're about to launch next. But I wanna give you guys this one article here, very important for all of us to be prepared for this. And before I go with Ron Proleman losing his mind against an executive that made $27 million in a year.

Starting point is 01:36:52 And what microaggression is, 15 things people think are fine to say at work, but are actually racist, sexist, and offensive according to Insider. We have some breaking news on what happened this morning on Truth Social with Trump, what he tweeted out, 30 minutes ago. If you want to show this, Trump says he's he expects arrest and indictment over January 6th capital right. This just came out this morning. President Donald Trump said to Zed that he expected to get indicted on federal charges on January 6th capital right. Supported disrupted certification of the 2020 election. He's a

Starting point is 01:37:23 frontrunner election interference. Wow, on Sunday night, while I was with my family, having just arrived with turning point event in Florida, where I was the one-to-straw poll against all the other Republican candidates with 85.7% would all polls show him a leading in the Republican primary by very substantial numbers. Almost everyone predicting that I will be Republican nominee

Starting point is 01:37:42 for president, and as I am leading Democrat Joe Biden and opposed by a lot, horrifying news for our country was given to me by my attorneys. D-Range, Jack Smith, the prosecutor with Joe Biden's DOJ sent a letter. Again, it was on Sunday night stating that I am a target of the General Justice grand jury investigation and given giving me a very short four days to report to the grand jury, which almost always means and arrests and indictment. Go look lower to see if there's anything else.

Starting point is 01:38:11 Trump added, so now Joe Biden's attorney general, Merrick Garland, who I turned down for the United States Supreme Court in retrospect, based on this corrupt and ethical actions, a very wise decision, together with Joe Biden's Department of Justice, have effectively issued a third indictment and arrest of Joe Biden's number one political opponent who is largely dominating him in the race for the presidency. Nothing like this has ever happened in our country before or even close.

Starting point is 01:38:39 And obviously on the bottom it says he's been arrested twice. So what are your thoughts on this? Well, first of the way he writes, really you should be studied and I don't know what they should do. Well, what are they saying they're arresting him for inciting a riot? I mean, what's the, he's not saying what the actual charge is.

Starting point is 01:38:57 Target of the January, it's a sentence. Is there anything else on the bottom, Rob? If you want to go a little lower to see if there's anything else because it's too much on that. If you must have something to do with inciting it, right? Yeah, that must be the yeah has attitude that day he was actually the shaman he dressed he was yeah look you know it really makes you wonder if they had not done

Starting point is 01:39:14 this new york charge if this federal case had not happened which happened to be a maami it has nothing to do with flarta um and and now another one of these he really makes you wonder where trump would be at in the polls because this scene it it's almost as if the system is keeping him inflated by continually doing this thing. It keeps everybody defending him all the time. We need to know a little bit more about the specific. You're saying inflate it.

Starting point is 01:39:36 Yeah, because it's actually a good thing. I think what we know, he gets a bump every single time. More people feel that they have to defend him. Right, every time. So he's leaning into it. It shows people,, every time. So he's leaning into it. It shows people, yeah, so of course he's leaning into it here. I don't think the guy wants to end up in jail. Again, we need to know about the specifics.

Starting point is 01:39:52 It must be about inciting Riot, which they're gonna have a real hard time proving because there's plenty of video of him that day. Go peacefully here, you know. And now we know, we also know about all the feds that we're in the community in crowd and moving barriers out of the way and so This is just a man the show must go on we agree that show must go on version no matter what

Starting point is 01:40:12 Trump's not literally ending up in jail It's not happening. No, I don't think so Because he could be in jail and still run for the, like, he could still be locked up, which would be hilarious. That'd be like the real, the orange is the new blight. And just be like, orange would be the new orange. But they, but they've made a good point. It's like, it's like, it's the new orange.

Starting point is 01:40:35 That's his hilarious. You heard it here first. But like, you would think of, because this obviously left the left's tactic, you'd think that they would get it, like, just leave him the hell alone. Oh, they're not gonna be. All you're doing is helping him.

Starting point is 01:40:47 Look, I mean, the conspiracy version of that would be that they want everybody to be into Trump because they want him to be the nominee because he will not win. And that he is far more, again, putting aside everything that we discussed about DeSantis. That DeSantis is from where i said clearly more of a mainstream threat to take out uh... by the nennon actual general you can get crossover votes you can see it trump if we're to believe the last election is true right and by the got eighty one million votes and trump got thirty five there are no new

Starting point is 01:41:16 trump supporters they're just aren't there aren't i don't think there are new by the supporters either but i and again you can question whether the election was legitimate and all of that stuff uh... but it seems fairly obvious to me the system itself would love trump to run because trump will not be president where the system actually doesn't know exactly how to react whether it was the santa so any even if it was hiki hailey someone that was functional that could cross appeal people are pissed at the democrats so there's

Starting point is 01:41:41 some level of that maybe that's going on right just want to keep inflating it fully agree with you i think that there's So there's some level of that maybe that's going on right just want to keep inflating him. Full of you agree with you. I think that there's a there's a faction of the DNC that says we did it once. We can do it again. Trump's approval ratings if you trust 538 are just as low as Biden's give or take a point or two. And the age thing won't be an issue. And what do you think about that, the idea that the machine and essence wants to keep Trump afloat because they want him as the nominee?

Starting point is 01:42:11 Pat thinks differently, I know that. Okay, so because what? Because the Santos can beat him? Yeah, because there's every reason that the President wants to go there. I'm gonna go with it. But to put aside the Santos, but that the idea that forget the Santos

Starting point is 01:42:24 or any of the others, that they want to keep Trump in the mix because it puts a sort of Stain so when I'm the Republicans and yeah, and I talked to guys behind closed doors who are Pro-de-Santis or pro Trump or anti-de-Santis or anti-Trump or just I'd like to Santas But I'm gonna vote for a Republican no matter who it is like you saw Brian camp You know camp was asked a question by the girl from CNN or MSNBC Where's like so are you gonna be supporting the president Donald Trump? He sees the nominee see us? I absolutely will be supporting me says, but you were the same one that wasn't agreeing to you know help them out I'm just yeah, that's something that I'm not gonna do. I'm not gonna come

Starting point is 01:42:57 But I'm there's no way in the world the alternative is Joe Biden. I'm not gonna have Joe Biden win it So of course I'm gonna go support Trump. That's kind of good to see camp do not I think he's sitting at the tone for everybody else. Sure. But there's a few different arguments out there. One of them is, does the Santos know something? The rest of us don't know. That's one argument, which is what?

Starting point is 01:43:16 Is the establishment behind closed doors saying, don't worry, Trump's not going to be there at the end. It's going to be you and you'll be the front runner, runner, runner, G&D's guys. Because there's a market of people that's saying between the two who's more establishment the Santas are more establishment. That's what the argument is then Trump, right? Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with that argument.

Starting point is 01:43:33 You don't have to agree with that. I'm just saying like in a market a lot of people will say between the two we have to choose who's more establishment. It's the Santas. Not at the level of Mike Pence, okay. Not at the level of you know maybe even, not at the level of, you know, maybe even Chris Christie But he's more establishment than Trump is because he's come through the system military Congress governor He's been in it more than Trump has right Trump was asked a question by Mario Bartoroma on

Starting point is 01:43:56 You know, how do you feel about the fact that people are saying you actually didn't drain the swamp, you know The Santa's keeps saying you're saying you were gonna drain the swamp you didn't drain the swamp the wall is only 50 miles and all this other stuff That's a know, the Santa's keeps saying, you're saying you were gonna drain the swamp, you're not drain the swamp, the wall is only 50 miles and all this other stuff, that's a great argument, the Santa's make, but what are Trump's, Trump's response was, he said, it's brilliant by the water's response was, he said, yeah, you're right, but guess what, I've been spending time networking in New York.

Starting point is 01:44:17 Those guys, I know who the swamp is in New York, I don't know who the swamp is in DC, I just showed up to DC, since first of all, when me and the first lady walked up and we Found out we want we're like, oh shit. We want what are we gonna do now? He says it took me four years to realize who was swamp I realized Chris Christie is swamp I made a wrong decision higher and bill bar hiring Esper hiring some of these guys Yeah, and that's what he was saying. So To me he is now coming from that side, but for them to say, you know

Starting point is 01:44:44 This is gonna help them, or this is not gonna help them, and the Santa is gonna come in. If the Santa is using that as a play, I think you're playing defense, you're not playing offense, but now let's say the other side, that they're doing this because they don't want the Santa's to be the nominee.

Starting point is 01:44:59 If that's the case, why are all these liberal media outlets saying the following? This is what the liberal media outlets are saying, the following. They're saying, you know, DeSantis, Ramazwani, and Haley Godwall Street donations over Trump, okay, or Trump nominating. Ray was a mistake, Chris Christie recommends. Why is everybody who is wanting this defending and trashing? It's even the liberal side is not playing consistent

Starting point is 01:45:28 with them wanting a Trump over the census. Because if they're thinking like this is helping out, I think if you don't fear Trump as a candidate, get out of his way. If you don't fear Trump, you're like, oh, we want Trump as a candidate, you do? Yeah, don't do this. Leave it alone because now the whole witch hunt thing is now on steroids. What's the next thing? And

Starting point is 01:45:52 what's the next thing? And what's the next thing? Guess what? While they're doing this, the two numbers that are the most consistent numbers right now, if you look at the trust America has in mainstream media and the trust America has in the US government is the lowest it's ever been. Yeah, never. The American people left or right do not trust mainstream media and they do not trust the government. So the organization we don't trust keep saying, Trump this, Trump that you're like, dude, I don't believe anything. These guys are saying right now. I don't believe anything.

Starting point is 01:46:19 So I think it's like the whole concept of, you know, they want to be able to do this because they are wanting Trump as a as a candidate or so the sentence. I think that's the dissentist camp liking to hear that there's This whole concept of selective hearing that we want to hear certain things because it validates You know the whole what did he call it the bias? There's a there's a name towards that Cognitive bias like you only see the stuff that you want to see because it agrees with what you're thinking. That leaves blind spots. And I don't think that's true. You know, it's interesting.

Starting point is 01:46:50 This concept that somehow DeSantis is more in the machine or more part of the swamp or something. It's like DeSantis has done literally everything any of us could have asked to fight the machine. Getting ESG out of all the Florida institutions. That's basically as big as it can get. Fighting the woke at every freaking level, the gender stuff in Florida, the race stuff in Florida.

Starting point is 01:47:11 He has done all of the things that any of us could have asked, and yet still, and this is one of my frustrations with Trump, again, who I voted for, has been his level of lying on DeSantis. I think has convinced a lot of people, things about DeSantis, I think has convinced a lot of people things about DeSantis that simply are not true. DeSantis has said he has met Paul Ryan once in his entire life. Donald Trump has spent an awful lot of time around Paul Ryan.

Starting point is 01:47:34 You can watch the compilation videos of him saying, all tons of good things about Paul Ryan over the years. Donald Trump worked with Karl Rove. I think DeSantis said he also has met him once before he was president. You can you can check me on that. So we have a guy who you can say okay he's not rich so he'll be beholden to the rich or something like that. And I think all of those arguments can be made. But if you just look at the proof is in the pudding, who has done all of the things that they

Starting point is 01:47:59 said they were going to do and they're all the things better to fight the swamp and fight the machine. The answer obviously is disantis while Trump rich billionaire okay has in many ways been defeated by that very swamp. So I think you can probably argue that both ways. Yeah, that's a good point. But for me, if we have to say like on the Trump side, here's Trump style. Trump style is, flattery is one of his weapons. He knows how to control you through flattery. It's also a weakness by the way.

Starting point is 01:48:34 So, let's not forget that during COVID, he, well, now he admitted it post COVID, where he said, you know, I could never hit Gavin Newsom too hard because he always said nice things about me. So, this flattery thing works for us. Kim Jong-un, I love him. He says nice things about me, right? this flattery thing works came from and I love him he says nice things about me right i don't have that i don't just i'm just telling you what i think he does i think he does flattery i think he is charmed i think he is charismatic

Starting point is 01:48:53 but i also think if he gets one inkling that you're not on his side he flips on you so hard core that he wants to destroy you this is mindset that by the way like it or don't like it. That's what he's done. He's from New York. Okay. He comes from a different lineage of he was a real. Yeah. Yeah. So he asked the question. So what do you think about bearing? What could you tell him? I like him a lot. He's strong. He's this and he's vicious. I like the fact that my son is vicious. He complements baron using the word vicious. Like you have to know this guy really if he's your father,'s feeding you stuff like this to you Adam the world's an ugly place Don't trust a lot of people everybody wants to take advantage of you. There's only a few people

Starting point is 01:49:32 That's the stuff that I think he feeds his kids and by the way These are not bad things to feed your kids It's work for him and no when you get to a level like that you learn you've been screwed by girls by men by peers By friends by business partners politicians but you know what you shouldn't trust a lot of people because of what really is taking place here and he needs to give his son a speech like that because you walk around the world I think the sun's like sun's a sun is ridiculous gonna be noticeable in your last name is Trump yeah you're gonna be getting it from all sides yeah

Starting point is 01:50:00 and by the way when you take the endless BS from the machine all the time the media and the politicians and everything, it hardens you over time. I think we talked about this once. Have you ever seen any of those old videos of Trump on Oprah or Trump on Phil Manu? Yeah. From the mid-early 80s, they're incredible.

Starting point is 01:50:15 You listen to this guy. He's saying in essence the same exact things, but his affect is very different because he's much softer back then. There's a pleasantness and a calmness where now it's gruff and it's angry because he's been through forty years of insanity so but but and David I do I do agree though the anger the the vendetta though because let's let's not forget all the trump voters that I know that are going back for him they're pissed off

Starting point is 01:50:39 because he came in the they were colluding with Hillary, the FBI cheating, called the media fake news. FBI is all full of shit, the deep state. He has a vendetta where he's like, listen, I came in, I won fan and square, look at the shit store I cause, where everybody, everybody, even in his own cabinet, we're gonna get them out, it's payback time, and I could see why some of the anger

Starting point is 01:51:04 would come out just like a RFK, bro. The government killed your father and your uncle. Guess what? That's where you have that attitude. That's why he's anti-war. That's why he's pro, like RFK was killed for what? Didn't want to go to, yeah, everybody out of Vietnam.

Starting point is 01:51:21 He wanted to splinter the CIA into a million pieces. He wanted up, you know, end segregation and stuff like that, so they had to kill him. So I could see why Trump is so angry now because, bro, if I came, if you came into a competition, all of us day, and you came in, and before you even got in, Hillary was doing what she was doing with the FBI, with the fake dossier, with everything,

Starting point is 01:51:39 the media's all, you know, lying to you, and then all you have to do is you say fake news, and that woke up everybody to how much full of shit they are. I'd be furious to. By the way, here's the part to realize on the anger side. Okay. Our voters angry today? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Is America angry today?

Starting point is 01:51:59 Yeah. Absolutely. So guess who relates to that? The voters. Yes. Those who are angry, so wait a minute, did you force me to take the vaccine? I had a couple of friends here from Ecuador a couple days ago, they're at the house, and we're talking, and he's talking about how bad it is right now in Ecuador with Corea.

Starting point is 01:52:12 Corea's like almost about to come back, and the current president, that's Terry, he's gonna probably lose it, cause elections coming up, and Corea's like this ridiculous, power trip type of guy who's wanting to take the philosophy of what Castro and some of these other guys did. And I'm sitting there saying, you know, we didn't take the vaccine.

Starting point is 01:52:28 And him and his wife look at us like we're alien. So what do you mean? Says, Jennifer, now we didn't take a single vaccine, not a vaccine, not a booster, nothing. Says nothing. Zero. I said, but my dad took it because he chose to take it. We didn't judge him.

Starting point is 01:52:41 My nanny took it because she chose it. No, we didn't judge him. Says, you guys didn't take the vaccine. That's a zero. Says, Patrick, we couldn't go to take it. We didn't judge him. My nanny took it because she chose it. No, we didn't judge him. Says, you guys didn't take the back, says it's zero. Says, Patrick, we can go to the store. We can go by anything. Everywhere in Ecuador, you went out, you had to show your vaccine card

Starting point is 01:52:54 or else you couldn't go to a restaurant, you couldn't go to the store. You know those people on what happened to them in New York, the restaurants that you put out of business, do you know what happens with a restaurant that's been there for three generations? And my restaurant, that my great-grandfather started, you cause it to go out of business, you're not like, well, I'm a little bit upset, but let's move on, guys.

Starting point is 01:53:14 No, you're angry. Yes. You're angry. So Trump is connecting with that angry. So I completely agree with that. But then if you think about it a step later, or just one layer deeper, Trump also pushed warp speed. Trump gave Fauci an award on his last day in office, gave him an honorable, whatever you call it.

Starting point is 01:53:32 So Trump made mistakes. That's one of the things that's interesting about the Trump base. They're the most radically anti-vax and certainly anti-mandate. And he was never for a mandate. So I'll give credit to his dude. But he also, he was swallowed by the swamp in that regard. How many videos have you seen of Fauci saying,

Starting point is 01:53:48 we would meet with Trump and he would say, do whatever you want to do. The drain the swamp guy actually handed the keys to the castle to the swamp. It's interesting how the base does not seem to associate those two things. You know guys, I really want to go to this last story here with the micro aggression.

Starting point is 01:54:04 I know we got three minutes left. I'm going to just read a couple of them. Because it's that funny. See, it's really a fan page. So it's that funny. Okay, so it's page 16 at the bottom. What this is inside a rub. If you can pull up the story so the audience can see

Starting point is 01:54:15 the story as well to see how ridiculous the stuff they're writing right now. What is micro aggression? 15 things, 15 things, people think they are fine to say at work, but are actually racist, sexist or offensive guys. Race for impact. Oh my God. Ready? You're so articulate. Completing a person of color under articulation perpetuates racial stereotypes and implies low expectations. Here's the next one. Ha ha. You're so OCD on how you manage projects. projects or damn you work on so many different things like you have ADHD

Starting point is 01:54:48 Joaquin about mental health conditions reinforces stigma can be damaging, okay? Your transgender wow you don't look like it at all Your transgender you don't look like it at all commenting on a transgender's persons appearance reinforces negative stereotypes and undermines our identity. Oh Sorry wrong person Mistake names based on race or ethnicity reinforces the notion that all individuals of a particular group look the same. Oh You're gay you should meet my friend Anne. She's gay to assuming compatibility amongst LGBTQ individuals this regards Individual preferences and reinforces stereotypes. But lesbians do all sleep with each other.

Starting point is 01:55:26 Everyone knows that. Come on. You meet a lesbian and she is slept with every other lesbian that's out there. That's it over here. My boss is crazy. Using gender terms like craze your hysterical to describe female bosses undermines their concerns and critical thinking. By the way, this keeps going.

Starting point is 01:55:41 Where are you actually from? The way you've overcome your disability is so inspiring, praising disabled individuals for basically accomplishments, perpetuates low expectations and undermines their capabilities. Your name is so hard to pronounce. I think you're in the wrong room. This is the programmer's meeting. Do you even know what Snapchat is? Are you an intern?

Starting point is 01:56:01 You look so young. Is that your real hair? Well, actually, I think interrupting women and taking credit for their idea undermise a contribution contributions and Reinforces gender disparities. Why do you wear that? Probing religious individuals do you realize how insane of a world? Sorry, what was the one about you're in the wrong room? You might be in the room You might be in the wrong room But what is broken 12 out of the 15 today.

Starting point is 01:56:25 I broke it. 12 of those just in the past two, three hours before we get. But can you imagine working at Insider? Hey, I got a message for those of you guys that actually worked for Business Insider. I have sympathy for you. You don't have to walk on ex-shells. There is a land outside of Insider that is a free land.

Starting point is 01:56:44 It's a place where you can actually have fun and be free with others and have your own thoughts and think for yourself. So for some of you that hate working out your job where you have to think like this and walk on excels, you may want to start posting your resume and looking for elsewhere. I'm not saying come work at value. Because you may not like how crazy we are, but there's definitely a lot of pressure. Wait, number six. My boss is crazy, huh? I take that as a compliment, baby. Hey, baby, before we wrap, I just want to say you're a beautiful transgender woman. And he's like crazy boss.

Starting point is 01:57:16 And I am so offended. You know that? I am so offended about that. And by the way, PPD, the way that you've overcome your disability is so inspiring. Unbelievable. That's what I mean. I don't want to say that. It's taken years, but for me, my ESL has helped me back.

Starting point is 01:57:30 I never took English one-on-one, but I'm here. This is where you actually from, Pat. For years. For years. Yeah. Why are you wearing that? What's the other one? Amit.

Starting point is 01:57:41 Amit is the other one. Amit is the other one you like to teach me with. There's still teaching in English words. Yeah, I'm getting better. We pay. Amit. Amit. Amit is the other one you like to tease me with what they're still teaching the English words. Yeah, I'm getting better We pay a mid a mid the current situation I'm here you're supposed to say yours years yours. I can't say that I say yours. Yeah, I say it's like ears Over the why I'm okay. Hey, let you on the internet. That's why I don't know why they let me get it That you're real hair

Starting point is 01:58:01 Yeah, so so look I asked my kids. Yeah, that this a guy's am I old that he not yet, not yet, you're still young, you're not young, but you're not old yet. So that's the compliment that matters the most. Anyways, Dave, as usual, pleasure having you on. Every time we just love the conversation, two hours goes by in five minutes, I want to tell you guys who we're going to have at our town hall. And by the way, we didn't even ask about talk about this guy that's going to be at the town. So funny. We had wanted topics we didn't even get into. A little bit, we saw some numbers that people wanted to see him. So the town hall and by the way, we didn't even ask about talk about this guy that's going to be out the town so funny I had wanted to topic we didn't even get into a little bit we saw some numbers that people wanted to see him

Starting point is 01:58:28 Yeah, so the town hall yeah, absolutely people have been asking about this for a minute August 4th in Florida in for Lauderdale Vivek Ramaswani will be right here doing a town hall with us with 200 people in attendance There's going to be three tiers of tickets general And then you have what's the top on the premium, and then VIP, the VIP folks will get a chance to sit in the front row, will come to you possibly to ask some questions.

Starting point is 01:58:51 When you buy the ticket, you can actually put your questions at the end as well, and we'll get a chance to meet them, and the VIP folks will go to the cigar lounge. I'll be there, you'll get a chance to ask myself, and we've got some questions, but specifically to meet Vivek. This is a guy that could be someone

Starting point is 01:59:07 that's doing something at the White House. It's a man that built a multi-billion-dollar company and went out of a year ago, nobody known who he was except from his family and a couple podcasts he's done, to now he's going up there about to potentially get to the second spot. Maybe we don't know if it's gonna happen or not,

Starting point is 01:59:24 but if you wanna see Vivek face-to-face text toward podcast, you're going to get an email back immediately, a link to the website text-to-word podcast to 310-340-1132. Again, text-to-word podcast to 310-340-1132 or Rob. What's the website for them to go to is at 5990live.com? Correct. Or go to 5990live.com, correct, or go to 5990live.com buy your ticket and come spend August for evening with us. I think we're going to do a evening

Starting point is 01:59:53 show and in afterwards we'll be at the club hanging out together. It was the best, because I was at the turning point. Sorry to cut you off at all. Don't drive any more initiative. No, he only wanted to talk. Don't say have a podcast as well. He was out of everybody. Because I saw every, I saw Tucker, I saw Trinnell. Trump came out, firework, he just stood there and you know, didn't say nothing for like good two minutes. The vex, was there reading a teleprompter?

Starting point is 02:00:13 He was engaging. He was like, everybody was stuck on him. And to me, he was the best out of everybody. There was a famous song about that. Stuck on you. You and got this feeling. Right. Where you at?

Starting point is 02:00:24 Go ahead. Well, there was the story from askin Oh tell us the story Story Adam here when the flight was delayed on the way back I had to be a Mary you got married an askin relax all that relax all that but I was a Flu private out to ask and it was amazing was awesome flew Commercial on the way back, like I normally do, whatever.

Starting point is 02:00:48 And I get to the Aspen Airport, by the way, there's zero people online to get to the airport. My flights at four o'clock, I arrive at the airport at 3.30. Run and late, all right, go right in, TSA pre-check, nobody's in line. Boom, right through starving, order a hamburger, all of a sudden it's like, taking too long,. I'm like can we hurry up and get this burger

Starting point is 02:01:08 uh, the guy in line ordering next to me goes oh you're on the flight back uh, back to Miami I go yeah, yeah, I'm like trying to get on the flight. He goes you're good dude. You're not gonna miss the flight I go why why is that he goes? I'm the captain of the flight. Man, that's good. I'm waiting on my sandwich. By the way, huge fan of the P.B.D. podcast. Huge fan, not gonna let you miss his flight at him. So he gave us a little special message. Do you have that, Rob? So here's Captain Dea.

Starting point is 02:01:37 Captain Matthias. Wow. Captain of the flight. Let's see what we got here. So P.B.D., I'm leaving Aspen on the way to Dallas and I'm like worried that I'm running late and the guy next to me getting food he goes, don't worry, you're not going to miss the flight. I said, why is that? He goes, I'm the captain of the club.

Starting point is 02:01:55 No problem, man. That's awesome. I got your coffee. We're doing this. We're doing it because I'm a huge fan of P.B.D. blog cast, by the way. I go, get out of here. We got a cool pat. You guys are doing a great job getting your clips on Facebook. It's always on my feed. It's great. I love it, man.

Starting point is 02:02:08 Keep up the good work. I appreciate all the things you're putting out, all the freedom of speech stuff. I love it. Keep it up, good work. How sick is this? I'm so glad. In the house.

Starting point is 02:02:17 What's his name, Matthias? Captain Matthias. Well, Matthias, I appreciate you following the content. I highly recommend you keep your eye on the bar while you're flying. Yeah. For all the time eye on the bar while you're flying. For all the other time, watch as much as you want. And hopefully one of these days will meet you Captain Matthias. Have a great day everybody. Thursday podcasts is a...

Starting point is 02:02:35 Can we actually say who's the guest on Thursday? Yeah, absolutely. Anthony Weiner is on the podcast on Thursday. And Chris Quiles on the podcast Saturday. So we'll see you guys on the podcast in next two. Take care. Bye bye bye. and Chris Quiles on the podcast Saturday. So we'll see you guys on the podcast the next two. Take care.

Starting point is 02:02:48 Bye bye bye. Anthony, we?

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