PBD Podcast - Deny Defend Depose, House's COVID Report, Preemptive Pardons w/ Cenk Uygur | PBD Podcast | Ep. 517

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick are joined by Cenk Uygur as they cover deny, defend, depose & the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, Rogan's reaction to the House's COVID report, and Biden's preemptive pardons for Cheney, Schiff & Fauci. Cenk Uygur is a Turkish-American political commentator, media personality, and the co-founder of The Young Turks (TYT), a progressive online news and commentary platform. 📺 SUBSCRIBE TO THE YOUNG TURKS ON YOUTUBE: https://bit.ly/4f9DVsi 🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW VT HATS AND GET A FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT MUG FOR FREE: https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH 🧥VT MEN'S MERRY CHRISTMAS CREWNECK SWEATSHIRT: https://bit.ly/3D92DeY 🎄 VT CHRISTMAS COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4gk4yff 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO: ‪@VALUETAINMENT‬ ‪@vtsoscast‬ ‪@ValuetainmentComedy‬ ‪@bizdocpodcast‬ ‪@theunusualsuspectspodcast‬ ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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If you want to find any remaining money that was left in the bank vault, look for it. Today we have a very special guest with us. I don't know how to introduce him, to be with you because some say he is gonna be the head of the RNC here soon, some say he's the face of MAGA, some say he's gonna run for the governor of California as a Republican ticket, some say he's left a liberal left-wing socialist whatever you want to call it he is full-blown maggot. I mean that's a concern. I saw a tweet yesterday from a lady that you tweeted out in your thread and she said,

I had such high hopes for you, this lady named Jo. I can't believe you're doing this. I can't believe you're gonna go and do XYZ. But anyways, we have Cenk back on the PBD Podcast. How you doing? I'm great brother, great to be here. And this is the last episode on The Vault. It feels natural.

This is it. This is it. And you know, I said I'm happy to cut the Pentagon, so if I find any money in here, I'm giving it back to the American people. We gotta pay back. We got 32 trillion. We got some money to pay back.

We'll go buy a couple tanks, go cruising. So, okay, let me tell you what stories we're gonna go through here. We got a lot of weird stories to go through, and then we'll get right into the topics One story here from media November 29th. Thank you grew optimistic after Trump's victory Magga is not my mortal enemy. What the establishment is jank saying this yes They threatened you Pete Hex had mother calls on Americans to disregard

Media after private email went public and mother calls on Americans to disregard media after private email and public. And I think Pete responded to the media yesterday, maybe Rob, if you had that clip to show it as well, that'd be great. Biden was wrong to Sean Musk says who? The one and only Bill Clinton says that. Biden White House is discussing preemptive pardons for those in Trump's crosshair. Some of the names that they're talking about is Fauci, maybe his brother, and a few, maybe White House is discussing preemptive pardons for those in Trump's crosshair.

Some of the names that they're talking about is Fauci, maybe his brother, and a few, maybe even himself, they're dropping these names there because the pardon that Hunter got was a legendary one. But we'll talk about that. Mark Cupid says he'd win the White House with Charles Barkley as his VP, no question about it. Some of it was fun, funny, but I think there's a part of him that he's convinced He could be the president. Maybe we'll talk about that 40% of job seekers Say they haven't had a single job interview this year not one job interview this year

Maybe that's because 40% of them are not even seeking a job this year, right? Maybe those two go come who knows maybe there's more story to it. We'll cover it a couple other things There was a, you saw the CEO of United Healthcare was shot, gunned down in New York at seven a.m. in the morning. Disturbing, absolutely disturbing. And I had an insurance meeting yesterday at Boca Resort the last two days.

That's where I've been, where I've been kind of away. The company that purchased our company has a major relationship with that insurance company because of Carrier doing business. So it was a topic of discussion to see. We'll cover that as well. San Francisco was concerned about tsunami and the 7.0 earthquake that hit.

And one of the biggest things is this clip you gotta see with the traffic driving on what would happen if a tsunami actually was to come in. Those people would not make it. We'll cover that. They're trying to create a division between Vivek and Ilan. I told you they're going to try to do it and they're starting with Vivek and Ilan. We'll show the clip and we'll give our thoughts and commentary on the division between the

two. And then images of unmasked suspect emerge. We'll show that clip. This is the person that killed the CEO Trump picks David Sachs venture capitalists as its AI and Crypto czar then we have a transgender 10-year-old fears being murdered because of her identity. This is a CNN story We must cover that because it's a CNN story Call her daddy drags Kamala Harris saying $100,000 was not so nice.

Cardboard walls in some random house. Wow. Now she's throwing her under the bus. House COVID-19 panel releases final report criticizing public health response to the pandemic. Canada bans more types of firearms and proposes donating guns to Ukraine. And last but not least, we have to show that clip, Rob, of Peter Hotez. This man is the modern day Nostradamus.

He's predicting a day after inauguration, there's gonna be a pandemic. Yeah, 90 viruses are coming back. We have to be ready for it. So listen, I don't know if you guys have put on your masks or not, maybe you wanna mask up right now. Does he have any keys? Does he have any keys?

or not, maybe you want to mask up right now. Does he have any keys? Shit. Does he have any keys? Yeah. John Lickman. Yeah. Obama suddenly concerned about rigged elections and weaponizing government against opponents. No way.

Cenk, I really want to get your thoughts on that one there. But by the way, so let me tell you guys what's going on. I love the fact that everybody is now using the phrase, future looks bright. I love it. I love, Elon the other day tweets out, future is bright. David Sachs tweets out after he got the right to ride, if you can show it, the future is bright. And then you got David Sachs who writes this out yesterday, thanking the president.

And at the last, the last line says what? Under your leadership, the future is bright. We've been selling future looks bright gear for the last couple years and today I'm going to share with you this new hat that came out that may be the favorite hat ever we've come out of. Let me show you why. This is Future Looks Bright. It says Future Looks Bright, but it's three dimensional.

Rob, if you can show these pictures. Rob Baskin It's the stitching is raised. Sick. Dr. Emanuel It's ridiculous with the three dimensional Future Looks Bright. On the bottom we have the black and gold. My favorite is this green one, green and white that says Future Looks Bright. And on the bottom it says Future Looks Bright. We have these in green, in black with red, in black with white.

Then a lot of you guys were asking about PBD Podcasts, actual PBD Podcast hats. This one says PBD Podcasts on the side says, future looks bright, and on the back says Vali Taman. And then we have the one with white with the actual logo on it, future looks bright. And then we have some of you guys that are out there hunting, you're trying to feed your family. And you want the deer to know his future is not bright but mine is.

Or a governor shooting their dog. And we have Vinny whose favorite is. I like the flat, guys these are more the flat brim. Very LA. Boom, very LA but it's still the same hat. I just like the flat for you hip hop people. How sick is this stuff? This is ridiculous.

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because once this batch sells out, the next batch we cannot deliver to to probably end of January. Having said that, go to vtmerch.com, place your order. So let's get right into it. Cenk, are you now a Republican? Okay, so a lot of people on the left have that theory the definitive answer is no so look I've been a populist all along and

What's fascinating to me is how much politics in America has changed? Because the left-wing populists like the Bernie Sanders type of guys have been standing up post waiting for our right flank to appear at some point because things, giant things like getting money out of politics you cannot do alone. The left wing can't do it alone, the right wing can't do it alone. The only way to fix it is an amendment because you got to go above the Supreme Court. You need three-quarters of the states. So for me, I've always thought if we don't get united, we're never going to beat the establishment. And the establishment has been my enemy forever and ever and ever.

And I wish we had beaten them, you know, the through Bernie in 2016 or 2020. And I'm not saying that they're knocked out. I mean, the establishment is gigantic. They've got billions and trillions of dollars and they're gonna make a huge comeback in the 2028 primaries. But on the Republican side, they've largely been defeated. And so here's what my left wing friends don't understand. They think you guys are all MAGA

and MAGA means it's a cult and you're never gonna disagree with cult and you're never gonna disagree with Trump, you're never gonna disagree with each other, and that you are like their fathers Republicans, but you're not their fathers Republicans. And so our side, I've been trying to get them to realize that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, all these folks that take the money, they're not on your side, they're on the establishment side, right? And for you guys on the right when I used to debate you And I don't mean you guys in specific. I mean in general

All I would get is wall-to-wall talking points. Oh Mitch McConnell knows what he's doing. Oh, John Cornyn is the best Oh, you know George Bush Dick Cheney, etc. And I you know, we've been around forever We're the longest-running show in internet history, right? We're the first YouTube partner channel ever. That makes me like the original YouTuber, right? And so, so I battled the Cheneys. I battled all those guys in the Bush years, right? And then I hit Obama from the left and people got super mad.

I mean, that's part of the reason why I had the huge blowout with MSNBC and I left MSNBC because they didn't want me to hit Obama and they didn't want me to hit the Democrats. So I've been doing that from day one. And guys, today, I think that we could do something historic. I think that we could actually unite the left flank and the right flank. And I've got a model for how to do that. And I want to run it by you guys. I've got a couple of rules for the internet that I wanna run by you guys.

Rules sound bad, right? But hold on, I think you're gonna like these rules. And then I wanna see, hey, is there a couple things that we can unite on right now on this show, make this show a little bit historic, and say, hey, this is what the internet thinks. This is what the populace of the right and the left think. Let's go tackle this establishment and make it happen.

Okay, so before we do that, can I ask you a couple questions? Of course. So for you, election night, we had you on, you came, you spoke, you're a fiery guy, you're a true believer, you're a guy that we've all seen you, you're not a guy that you actually are not acting, like you actually believe what you believe in and you actually get upset, you really are upset, right? So I know it's gonna sound weird. I think there is an element of Alex in you There's an element of you in Alex. I know you don't want to hear that part Just I'm telling you as a person that's a viewer

You guys have been on both for a long time and you guys have both been hated by opposing sides and I think you guys have a lot of similarities from the messaging that you believe in. Now you may not agree with each other but that's the messaging. What do you think with all these ideas? Like you know sometimes for me I'm running a business and I have some ideas. I create a comp and a comp has not grown a company but I say it's the right comp, you're later nothing's happening. But it's the right comp, years later three years later five years later. Nothing's happening Then you have to sit there and say by yourself

And it's this is this is not easy to do I've shut down my channel twice for three months because I sat down with Mario And I said look the last hundred videos we haven't had any videos that get a hundred hundred thousand views Why is that we only had two of them. And we had 40 videos over a million views. Why have our last 100 not performed? We kind of talked about that a little bit when I was on your show as well. And then we shut down. We're like, okay, let's regroup.

Watch those videos they used to do. Watch this here. What's happened with the climate? What's changed? Is the market pivoting? You're not. Are you, with your values and principles that you had the results for you? What did you notice where you said maybe I was wrong with these

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and then a lot and then next thing you know they're pulling a Reuben or eating a Reuben sandwich and I don't eat that right and I and I don't do that but what so but what has happened to the core of your question? So there's tiny things around policy like I believe in no cash bail, right? So if two guys commit a sexual assault, one is poor and one is rich, the rich guy pays bail, gets out, the poor guy can't, and by the way, they're accused, it's alleged, right?

You don't know, but the poor guy stays in jail for mainly being poor. So it makes sense to be for no cash bail. But what wound up happening is California, for example, reduced some felonies to misdemeanors, which they didn't really tell us. It was in a prompt measure. I voted for the prompt measure, but they never actually said in the ballot measure, we're gonna reduce penalties for these crimes, which are some significant crimes. And when you combine the two things, repeat offenders

kept getting out of jail and doing another crime and another crime and another crime. And I realized, okay, wait a minute, we got an issue here. So on no cash, first of all, on the issue of taking the felonies to misdemeanors, once we found out what was going on, I'm like, look, I've been to every progressive convention there's been and every progressive conference, talked to every leader, etc. I never heard anyone say, let's take felonies and turn them into misdemeanors. I don't know where the hell that came from, right? So I said, okay now that I see that okay if you commit three Offenses, then you're a repeat offender and you you have to put up a cash bail. Okay, so if you're a guy

Oh my golly, she's something you got accused and you didn't do it. Okay, no cash bail, right? But if you do it three times, you got to put up bail No question and now we voted in California for prop 36 and I made the position against what you guys would call Extreme left or radical left. I'm trying to call max left now to be respectful, right? But those guys said crime is imaginary and I said no crime is not imaginary Crime is definitely real and crime is going up and guys if we don't do something about putting these folks in jail if they're repeat offenders we're gonna lose everybody and they said you're nuts that's not gonna happen then Prop 36 in California was to put them back to felonies right it won with 70% of the vote 70% of the vote right in California and that's my point to my friends on the max left like you guys

want to be maximalist but that's not where Democratic voters are let alone Republican voters so I might I was always I was never in favor of making them misdemeanors but I was in favor of unlimited cash bail now that I've changed that but you see it's tiny it's a tiny change based on what I saw based on experience based on these guys getting out and doing again again again, again. But the main thing, Patrick, is before when I battled the right wing, it was a wall, right? I was just like, oh, nobody's listening to one another. They're just doing talking points.

I hated it. And then MAGA looked like they were 100%. I'll be honest. I mean, in 2020, I was super pissed. And I said, you know, look, I mean in 2020 I was super pissed and I said, you know, look I don't want to talk to Trump supporters. All I hear is the same thing, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, and they never waver. So what I'm saying to the left now is no, I'm seeing something new and different here. The MAGA base has changed.

Okay, that doesn't mean they don't like Trump. It doesn't mean that they're not right-wing. But there is a significant portion of the MAGA base now that is, in my opinion, right-wing populists who are actually anti-establishment, actually anti-corruption, actually anti-war. And what I'm trying to tell the left is, take the win! Take the win! We've been standing opposed here for 20 years trying to cut the Pentagon, trying to be anti-war, getting money out of politics. If people say yes, for God's sake, those are our, that's our lost tribe. Those are our right-wing brother and sisters who are Americans, who are populists, who agree with us. Let's go fight the establishment together because if we're united, they cannot stop us. Are you, are in a place right now you're registered what Democrat? Yeah. Okay. Are you at all at a place where you've thought about being a registered independent or libertarian?

So look the reason I became a Democrat is because in California if you're an independent you can't vote in Democratic primaries and so so I wanted to vote for Bernie Sanders, etc. So I became a Democrat and I don't have any problem staying in the Democratic Party. I ran for president in the Democratic Party as a protest candidate against Biden as you remember, right? So but the but now we're in a situation where we've got realignment where we've got There's a left-right spectrum. Then there is a populist establishment spectrum, right? So I am center-left, but I'm way populist. I'm 100% populist, right?

So things are moving. If it turns out, and the parties have switched before, if the parties completely switch, then I don't have any allegiance to a party label or name, right? But right now, the Republicans are still right-wing, Democrats are still left-wing, so I'm going to stay there. So why do you think the Democratic Party lost a Rogan, lost a Tulsi, lost a Bobby, lost

a Musk, lost a Trump, lost a... all these guys were former Democrats. Why do you think... and let's set Trump aside, because maybe Trump's Democrat in the 80s and 90s. Let's kind of come to the names recently, like Musk, like Rogan, like Tulsi, like Bobby, these guys. Why do you think they're losing these names? Yeah, so everything's a little bit different and every person's different. So Tulsi, I think, was always secretly a right winger, but Bobby Kennedy Jr. was not.

He was definitely a Democrat, right? And so he's a decent example. So Bobby has opinions that a lot of people on the left don't agree with, right? And so he's a decent example. So Bobby has opinions that a lot of people on the left don't agree with, right? To which I say something revolutionary to the left. So what? Okay, so okay, he agrees with us on the environment, he agrees with us on housing, on anti-corruption, he doesn't agree with us on vaccines, fluoride, etc., right? Why don't we have a conversation with the brother? Why don't we include him? Why don't we do a real primary? And if he wins, he wins. If he loses, he loses.

Do you believe in democracy or don't you believe in democracy? And look, he would have easily lost the primary in my opinion, in the Democratic side. But what the Democrats, and this is a cultural problem, right? So on policy, I'm totally left-wing. But when you talk about culturally, there's a couple of issues that are going on. Number one, I've always been, when I was a kid I was a hokumaniac, right? And so, and look, I love all you folks who love the art and the opera and the ballet and stuff, and there's nothing wrong with that,

and my sister does, and my friends, et cetera, but I'm not that guy. Like when I listen to NPR, I'd always be like, why are they whispering? Why don't they speak the fuck up? Like so. Very soothing. Yeah.

So culturally, I've always been a populist too. But the real problem with the left and Democratic Party these days culturally is we don't want you, we don't want you, we don't want you. If there's a 2% disagreement, we want to cancel you and get you the hell out of here. Right wing, in my opinion, has their own version of cancel culture. We can get into that. But with the right wing, you agree with them 2%? They're like, oh, welcome in.

Come to the party. Oh, yeah. Come on in. Come on in. And if one party is constantly pushing people out and the other party is constantly inviting them in, well, at some point, the party inviting them in has a bigger tent and you not only win the election you win the popular vote. So the Democrats have to get out of this mindset of you must agree with democratic leadership and if you don't you're ruining unity. Shut up and get back in line. No, hell no. Young Turks have never been in line.

We're never gonna get in line. We're not gonna get in line for MAGA. We're not gonna get in line for the Democratic Party. We're not gonna get in a line for the Democratic Party and and these idiots said bow Your head to Joe Biden and Pat, you know, I was on the show I was on every show and I said what are you guys nuts? His brain has fallen out of his ear He's shaking hands with invisible people. He thinks his uncle was eaten by cannibals You guys are lunatics and I will not agree to being a lunatic for your agenda. So look to me Like look, I want to propose this as rules for the agenda. So look, to me, like, look, I wanna propose this as rules for the end.

I wanna hear it, go for it. And, but it's like, it's so important that both the right wing and left wing agree with this, right, so let me bounce it off you guys. Number one rule, when we disagree, we fight. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong, it's America, okay, we disagree, we got freedom of speech, let's rumble, let's brawl, there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong, it's America, okay? We disagree, we got freedom of speech, let's rumble. Let's brawl, there's nothing wrong with that.

What do you mean rumble and brawl? I mean, of course, rhetorically, politically, not violent. I'll throw it down right now, Joe, take it easy. Because as simple as that sounds, that was not popular with the left the last eight years. We've invited so many people from the left, and we will always invite them but unfortunately they don't like to fight as much as the other side likes to fight. Okay, rule number two of

the internet. Afterwards you must have a beer together. Okay? Tip O'Neill and Reagan. Yeah and so what I mean by that is you don't have to love the other guy, you don't have to agree with him, but we got to go back to being Americans, right? So okay we have a fight then let's go get a beer. So what? Okay I don't agree with you on health care, I don't agree with you on trans issues, I don't, and I know some people say hey look is there a line that goes too far? Yeah for some people there's a line that goes too far, but in general let's go back to listening to one another. We've been yelling at each other and by the way I, I mean, I'm guilty of it too

I mean, I think as far as yelling on the internet goes to your point Yeah, I've done that many many times but I try to have a beer afterwards so that we can still be a country together Okay, and last one is number three is When we agree, let's do something really bold and unite Okay, and if we unite, we will be invincible. Because look, as I said in that tweet, my mortal enemy is the establishment. The one that says, no, the politicians are honest.

No, the donor money doesn't affect anyone. You know, this absurdity of CNN and New York Times pretending that the donor money doesn't affect the candidates and it doesn't affect the bills. When they start talking about legislation and we're talking about, hey, can we negotiate drug prices? And you're not talking about Big Pharma spending billions, if not trillions of dollars in lobbying and donating to the politicians, etc. No, it's utter corruption. And we cannot beat that corruption unless we unite. So if the right-wing,

if I'm right about the right-wing populace, and I made a bet with one of my co-hosts last night, okay, well I'll tell you about that too. But if I'm right about the right-wing populace, and we unite on some things that we agree on, I think we're going to be invincible and finally, finally beat the establishment. So I like that. Number one, if we disagree, let's fight, let's debate. Two, afterwards, let's have a glass of, let's have beer together. Three, if we do agree, let's unite, and let's celebrate it, and let's come across

as a united crowd, united group. I like that. Going back to the conversation with Trump. So Trump won and he got how many votes? I'm looking at it right now. 77 million votes. Okay. And the only person that ever beat him is the GOAT, Joe Biden. But he got Jordan. Yeah, he got 77 million votes himself. And by the way, just so you know even the the great Obama in 2008 got 69 million votes in 2012. He got 65 million votes Hillary Clinton got 65 million votes in 2016 and

In 2020 Trump got 74 and now he got 77 million votes seven battleground states all that stuff Why do you think he won so single-handedly, like it's not even close? Yeah, well look, the popular vote was close, but so now when the Republicans win the popular vote, it feels like a mandate because they usually lose, but he did, he won fair and square, right? And he won with a big vote, and he won all the swing states.

So, and again, as you guys know, I was warning that he could easily do do that and my Democratic friends were like No, no what I know likes Trump no you're in a bubble Everyone's in their own bubble right and probably if you'd asked some MAGA guys They probably thought he's gonna get 80% or something right? No, we're in different bubbles and and what's interesting Pat is that I I both languages. I speak populist and establishment. I speak right wing and left wing. I can understand and I can translate for folks, right? So why did Trump win? Why was he popular? Because he's at least trying to appear to be a populist. Whether he actually is is a good question

and is going to be settled by the next four years, right? But he look I give you the example I always give this random guy Nick Smith Doing a strike at a Waffle House in Western, Virginia We go interview him in the 2016 election and he says look while my family's coal miners, right and And and our reporter asked why you guys think of voting for Trump, right? And he says look Hillary Clinton comes here and tells us we're gonna lose our jobs and there's no hope. Trump at least has the decency to lie to us. And he says we got hope, the future is bright, etc. And that makes a huge difference. And then our candidates are so terrible. And you know, after an election loses, you see cable news CNN MSNBC what do they

do they blame the voters they blame Russia they blame Bernie they blame every they blame me they blame everyone except the candidates so Kamala Harris it was a terrible candidate when you go out there and you're like I will only do talking points I will not have any real conversations then you're not authentic Trump Trump appears to be authentic, even though in my opinion he lies a lot, but he appears to be authentic, whereas our guys look like corporate robots. And what's the lesson they learn? I guarantee you in the next primary, the Democratic establishment will run, Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg. They're like, no, no, no, these are the new improved corporate talking robots, right? And that's

not the point. Authentic and populist. And by the way, Pat, these are the new improved corporate talking robots, right? And that's not the point authentic and populist and by the way Pat all across the world Look at what just happened in France the left and the right got together both populists and said no to the establishment Enough with you know taking it to the average man Listen, I'm with you on the establishment side, you know, I'm because you saw the other day Bernie Sanders agreeing with Musk What what is that all about? I mean, that's both of them are because you saw the other day, Bernie Sanders agreeing with Musk, what? What is that all about? I mean, both of them are anti-establishment, so that is the area of agreement,

so I agree with you there, Tom. You were gonna say something. Yeah, I appreciate you use the word authentic. We did a 17-week show where we were counting down the polls every week we were going through, and we found the true polls that were Trafalgar, Rasmussen, and Atlas & Tell proven because their polls lined up with the results. So guess what? They were polling in apparently the right way.

And then you had those that were trying, those that were false, and those were for sale. And so the authenticity, you said authentic, and we saw authentic coming in because we saw a heat poll that was done on the intensity of voters feeling about a certain issue. And in Arizona, the intensity of Democrat and Republican voters on immigration was very high. Why? They're seeing it in their state live.

They're seeing people that are homeless, that are people that have come across the border. So they're seeing it live and in color. In Missouri, immigration was more like a debate at the barbershop. In Arizona, it was like they're seeing people in front of Walmart, in front of the ATM, at their gas station, and the issue was right there on the front doorstep. So the authenticity of the concern of the voter that was in Arizona was something that you can't just do talking points to stoke fear and then walk away. And that's what Harris did there, and that's why it was a 5.61%.

He had a five point victory in previously close to Arizona. So there is some, you say authentic about the candidates, but there's also something authentic about the voters. The voters were voting for the very authentically felt positions. And are you going to improve my life here on this issue or not and we saw the heat map in Arizona we're like you know what you know if she doesn't come out with something other than talking points in Arizona they don't even understand that these the good polls were showing that the underlying intensity of the authentic feeling of the American voter

and I feel like candidates in the establishment take that for granted and just try to give you talking points to stoke fear to sway you they're not really speaking to your authentic needs. Yeah so let me address that in two ways real quick so the only thing that that I said I got wrong in this election and I you know came out and did a video about it is I was saying throughout the election I didn't believe Trafalgar and I didn't believe those polls. I thought they were leaning to Republican on purpose, et cetera. I was wrong. They were more accurate. Right. And so number one in our mission statement is boldly pursue the truth. Right. And you, the truth is non-negotiable.

So if it turns out that they had the more accurate polls and those three did, there's a lot of pollsters that were off the water and And the more traditional pollsters were wrong. Well, then you got to say it It doesn't help to try to like oh no. No, but next time let's keep lying to ourselves that we're gonna win right if you got a deal in the reality-based world and so but the the larger point about policy is Look a lot of my friends in the Max Left, they think that crime is imaginary and it's a right-wing narrative, and that when I say it's real, that I'm helping a right-wing narrative. But look at California.

Cenk, what does that even mean? No, no, I get what they're saying. Let him go. I think I know where he's going. He said that a few times. What does that even mean? Crime is not real. So what they're saying is, it's not really going up you guys are you know and here's a poll of thing and if it is going up it's actually because CVS is installed the automation machines and there's some truth to that and that's let some people but at the bottom line are people stealing catalytic converters are they did you know getting shot in the street assassinated in the middle of freaking New York yeah Yeah. Is auto theft up, et cetera.

So the point I wanted to make is in California, we passed Prop 47 that I told you about before. We accidentally moved some felonies into misdemeanors because I think we got lied to. They tried to reverse that in 2020 and it lost. It only got 38% of the vote totally lost at the polls. Why? Because at that point, crime had not spiked.

So the voters didn't respond to it. It didn't matter if there was a right-wing narrative, it didn't matter what the propaganda was. Post-COVID crime, to be specific. Yeah, so before 2020, when we voted 2020, COVID hadn't happened, we hadn't had the spike. So the California voters, Democratic voters were like, no, no, we're rejecting it.

After the spike in 2021, 2022 in crime, which was real, then the voters come back and go, yeah, no, we're rejecting it now. Okay, now we're going 69% saying, bring him back up to felonies, I saw the crime. You know, it's because of what Tom is saying. It's not imaginary. Like, I experienced crime, my neighbor experiences crime See I tell this story and the left gets super mad about it One of my neighbors well, there's so many things that happen to all my neighbors But one of my neighbors a homeless guy comes in and starts leering at the young woman

She's got inside the house and he's doing crazy things and she comes out and she's outraged says I got a I'm gonna call The cops he says she he says go ahead They're not gonna come. And this was at the height of 21, 22, when it was just a mess in LA and California, right? And so, and she's freaked out, and she calls the cops, and they're not coming. And he's like, I told you.

And he's like, I could just go take a seat in your backyard, and there's nothing you could do about it. And when stuff like that happens, you lose Democratic voters, you lose all voters, and people get super mad! But what you're saying is absolutely correct about California crime, and I'll back up one chapter so everybody listening can understand this. There's a thing called the three strikes law that happened in California. California passed it. We're tough on crime. We're gonna do this, and there was certainly crime that was there. Kamala Harris ran, you know, as

AG and she was putting African American males in prison at an over index rate because the three strikes law actually went a little too low on what was a strikeable offense, you know what I'm talking about? They all end up in jail and they're like, we need to repeal the three strikes law. And the Dems said, oh oh we can't take that to the voters well though though though they'll say we're soft on crime and all the there are bright reds in Central California we can't have that so you know what they did they took felonies they dropped them the misdemeanors yeah so now you get less strikes because I've classified what's a strike which led to the part you're talking about so there was

government interference and there was liberal game playing with the three strikes law where com at the hands of Kamala Harris, who was known as one of the most racist AGs. But you can't say that she's not racist. She's here. But if you go back in history and look at it, Californians have woken up to what was a 20 year run from three strikes to let's not call them strikes anymore Let's bring them down to misdemeanors. And finally the voters come back and go at the post covid Spike they're like, you know what? Yeah, you know what this makes me think about this. I'm pissed off. We're going the other way simplified Here's what it comes down to to me common sense prevails. It's very simple. Yep bad policies have consequences

Data shows everything you can sit there and say whatever you want. You're claiming you have better ideas. Like, you know, in PHP, guys will say, I think we're doing it better than them. Really? Yeah. Go ahead, show it in 2020. I think we're right and the other guys are wrong.

Go ahead, show your formula and show us what you do. And all of a sudden it's like, oh shit, they were right. Yeah, they were right. So maybe you ought to go back to listening to what's working. Common sense wins. Bad policies got exposed by Democrats in ways I cannot even believe that so many people bought into it, the basics, right?

And then data, data coming back showing, yeah, California lost a trillion dollars of money under management. New York lost a trillion dollars of money under management. California, first substance 1850, 1851, you had a net migration rate of negative, back to back to back. There is a reason for that. People are leaving you. And you know what was the most incredible data point that

came out after the election? It's the map. The map that shows which states got bluer and which states got redder. I don't know if you've seen this or not. Which states got redder, which states got bluer. Rob, we've shown this before. This isn't the one. It's another one. Which states got a little bit... And when you saw this, 50 states, 100% of all states in America went more red. And what are we talking about? And by the way, look who went the reddest. California and New York. Look at those two. So by the way, here's the thing.

You know what? When sometimes we think about them, we say, don't make my Florida California. California and New York. Look at those two. So by the way, here's the thing, you know what, when sometimes we think about them, we say, don't make my Florida California. Don't make my Texas. And the one thing with us is, guess what? I've lived in California. So have I. I've lived in Texas for five years. And now we've been in Florida for four years. Okay? Texas got redder. But the fear was, well, what are you going to do when all the conservatives and Republicans and the red leaves New York and California? New York and California are going to get bluer.

That's not what happened. So even with the red leaving, whoever that was left became—I don't know if you understand what I'm getting. So even after people left and people stayed, the people that stayed even got redder to say, dude, these policies are ridiculous. I'm out. Thoughts? Yeah.

So Latino men is a good example. So Latino men were heavily on the Democratic side and Democrats view politics. Look, I think the right wing plays identity politics too. Again, we can get into that. But unfortunately for the Democratic establishment establishment they view everything through identity and they're like okay blacks are ours Latinos are ours women's are ours educated are ours etc right educated is at least about something you did as opposed to who you are so but they took Latino men for granted and then after the election when

Latino men flipped over to the Republicans into Trump they started saying oh they're sexist. That's why they got that macho culture, et cetera. First of all, blaming the voters, incredibly dumb strategy and also incorrect. And if you ignore that map that you just showed, that's a disaster for the Democratic Party. If you keep ignoring reality and ignoring the truth, that's how you lead to more losses. So if Latino men are so sexist, then why is the president of Mexico a woman? If Latino men are so sexist, why did they vote for

Hillary Clinton by a 31-point margin? This doesn't have anything to do with sexism. What it has to do with is that you didn't deliver for Latinos. It wasn't just Latino men. It was also black men, white men, basically any man. I'll tell you a quick story. A guy tells me he goes, so you voted for Biden? I was like, yeah, I actually did. And you voted for Hillary? Yeah, I did. So you're going to vote for a Kamala? I go, no, no, no, I'm on the Trump train. He goes straight up. I go, uh, yeah. He goes, oh, so you're not gay. I'm like, what, what is that supposed to mean? Because that the democratic, they're just gays.

They're just the gay party now as a straight man. How do you vote for them? And I looked at him and I go, you're actually absolutely right. So you're a straight guy, any straight guy. I mean, men have not, I've been gravitating away from the democratic party for the last four to five years and it's just getting weirder and weirder and less common sense. So you're talking about the fragmenting just Latino men. Every man in America is like, nah, I'm good.

So why do you think just men are overwhelmingly done with the Democratic Party? Obviously, it's more nuanced than that because the percentages are not. It's actually not that nuanced. The number has shifted dramatically. No, but I grant you the shift. That's exactly what we're talking about, right? He has a problem with the gay community. Go ahead, please, go ahead.

Okay, so. No judge, how can I be homophobic? My girlfriend's gay. Okay, that's an interesting story. We'll come back to it. Shout out to Central City, sorry about that. Let's not talk about Frank. So look, I remember when the Democrats used to brag,

oh my God, we got this big lead with women. And I'm like, well, these elections are super close. That means you have a huge deficit with men, right? You're only leaving out half the equation. So why is the Democratic Party in some ways driving out men? Again, we gotta be real about it. We gotta be truthful about it. It's because of perceptions.

And what is a perception? Is it that policy, have they passed any laws against men? Not that I know of, right? So I don't think it's policy, I think it's optics. So the optics is whenever there's a guy who's being a tough guy or strong, some, will some guys who are being tough be, go too far? Of course, of course!

Are there some actual toxic guys? Of course, there's guys who beat their wives, et cetera. But anytime anybody did anything, it was called toxic masculinity. But sometimes it's just masculinity and it's not toxic. And every time you call it toxic masculinity, at the drop of a hat, at the slightest little thing, what you're doing is you're pushing men away.

You're pushing them away. Because they're saying, wait a minute. I thought protecting women was just masculinity not toxic masculinity Right and now if that's toxic then everything I learned is wrong Like I'm supposed to protect and provide and that's not I didn't think that was a bad thing and now so I just feel like that's why I bring up the crime thing because I Think the right way in the left And now, so I just feel like that's why I bring up the crime thing because I think the right wing and the left wing have massive misconceptions about each other. And one of the misconceptions the right wing has is that the craziest guy you heard on the left represents all Democratic voters.

And that and in what we just showed in California is that's not at all true. California where Democratic voters are saying I don't want this extreme stuff either, right? And so I think that kind of language pushed a lot of people away, but also economic things matter, right? And so now we got both earners, of course, right? And women are head of household in terms of earning more money in a lot of households, etc. But when you're going to buy a house, the house costs more and it's really hard, right? And wages are lower and everything is hard. And the answer to that is not elect more minorities or elect more women. Now, if they're a great minority, great. If they're a great woman, great, right? But when you say elect based

on identity, you're losing people, including men, who are saying, yeah, yeah, don't stop talking to me about identity. Start talking to me about the housing prices and about my wages, et cetera. So a combination of all those things did great damage in pushing men away. All right, so let's go to the next story. The story, I'm gonna go through a bunch of different stories with everybody.

Rob, if you wanna pull up the Obama story, because Obama has become an election denier. And you know. What, you don't say? I mean, I didn't think he was gonna be the guy that's has become an election denier. Why? You don't say. Weird. I mean, I didn't think he was going to be the guy that's going to be an election denier. Is this entire video, Rob? Yes, sir.

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Drive your ambition, Mitsubishi Motors. There are going to be times potentially the people who are in the position. There are going to be times potentially when one side tries to stack the deck and lock in a permanent grip on power. of shit out of his mouth. Either by actively suppressing votes or politicizing the armed forces or using the judiciary. Sick.

That's insecure. The criminal justice system go after opponents. Look at the eyes. He doesn't believe it. I never saw him pause like that. In those circumstances, pluralism does not call for us to just stand back and say, well, I'm not sure. That's okay.

Looks weak. In those circumstances, a line has been crossed and we have to stand firm. Firm. Yeah, by the way, he does not look strong. He looks like defeated and weak. And by the way, he's unoriginal, Tom. We talked, you talked about this before. He stole the tag, he took a page right out of the Nazi minister propaganda, Joseph Goebbels book, Accused the Other Side of the Nazi minister propaganda, Joseph Gerbil's

book, accuse the other side of which you are guilty. And we talked about it on the other podcast, they need to check, I want to know your thought on this. These are the expired Democrats. This whole rhetoric that this guy's been doing when he was talking to the young black voters, he's like, you got, Kamala's black. You guys have to vote for Kamala. It's like the shock of why they're losing everybody. It's not just love.

Everybody's moving away from these people. If we're going to be honest, this has become the party of hypocrites. They're the actual racists. They're the corrupt ones. They're the ones that cheat in elections. They want young children to chop off their genitalia. These are facts. They want to have them mutilate themselves. They men and women sports facts this is only a left left-wing men and women sports they want open borders they want to use lawfare look at what he's talking about Chang they want to they they're the party that

literally weaponized the Department of Justice the FBI to go after Donald Trump they the guy even got shot in his head this type of attitude this is done and I just want to know Chang with are they not going to move on from these, this is done, and I just wanna know, Cenk, are they not gonna move on from these people, this is it? Let me say something before we go to Cenk, okay? I'm gonna say something, I'm gonna go to Tom and Adam,

and then I'm gonna go to Cenk. Let me explain to what you're just saying right now, which is very important. Okay, so watch this, watch this. He may have just had the worst loss of his career. Correct, I agree, I agree 100%. Okay, because 2016, Hillary had the worst loss of her career. He did not, that was Hillary, and that was embarrassing,

that you lost to this guy, meaning to Trump, okay? But this last one, Kamala wasn't campaigning. He was campaigning. Obama wasn't campaigning for Hillary. Yes, he was, but not like this. Obama was campaigning for Biden. He helped them, and they won, right? This is the first time he has had a public loss of this level, of this magnitude.

He's never had a loss like this, and here's the issue. So, Cenk comes and, hey, I think we have to stop thinking Mag is the enemy. What? What are you talking about? I think we need to stop thinking these are horrible people. We gotta stop taking that approach. We can disagree on policies,

but these are like, I'm around them. This guy speaks as a way that you're not, you know, you lose a game and what do you do? You come back and you say what? We have to go back and hey, we messed up. That's a terrible loss. Back to the drawing board. We have to make some changes.

It all starts with me. There is nothing, it all starts with me. You're the head coach of the Democratic Party. Where is the accountability for you? Where is you getting up on the stage and saying it's with me? If anything changes and you have this kind of a loss and you're saying, you know what he's trying to say? He's trying to say in a way because legally, yes, they're gonna probably flip one more seat for Supreme Court. That's what he's trying to say, but he's saying it in a way because legally, yes, they're going to probably flip one more seat for Supreme Court. That's what he's trying to say, but he's saying it in a way to make it seem like it's

illegal. It's not. He's doing it in a legal way. But you're just not happy about it because that could be a 20-year of Supreme Court and logic having some kind of control. Tom, what are your thoughts on what Brock is saying here? When I saw that, I thought to myself, you know, there's influencing and there's leading. And I watched it and I actually had the thought, I looked at it and I said, didn't this guy

used to be Barack Obama? But I'm saying Barack Obama in the spirit of who he was. And you don't have to agree with him to understand that he was a gifted politician, that he stood like a statesman at times. I don't have to agree with all of his policies to give credit to that person that served two terms as a president. And I looked at it and I said, you have been trying to influencing. Clooney said you stood behind the scenes.

You didn't lead. You influenced on the coup, if you want to call it that, of Biden stepping out of the candidacy. You influenced from behind the scenes till they finally said, you got to get out in the front yard and you got to yell. And you finally got out and started campaigning. But there's influencing and leading. And he didn't lead all year.

He didn't stand up to lead. And when I looked at it, I said, again, didn't this guy used to be Barack freaking Obama? He don't look like that. Yeah. You know, you know, when you're no longer as attractive as a girl And you expect everybody to treat you like you were at 22 years old we agreed not to talk about the view but but Grace that what what what stays you hope the grace stays and you're attracted to the grace, right? You know what man, she's still graceful, you know? And then

you can maintain your looks, but maybe not at 22, you're 62, right? Things have changed. For him, you know what he's going through? Vinny, it's very hard to go through this. My voice doesn't carry the way it used to carry 20 years ago. Oh, that is hard. My voice doesn't carry the way it used to carry 16 years ago, 12 years ago. That's what he's going through. And he's like, hey guys, don't you remember you used to love me? What happened? Give me the attention and love you guys used to give me at, I was important.

I was your Jesus. What happened? How come you guys don't look at me like that anymore? Oh, let me tell you. It's a psychological, very hard phase to go through. Adam. I love the analogy you said because one of the things we say is for a woman, it's all fun and games until you're at the end of the bar having to buy your own drinks in your forties. Because

usually when you're young and hot, they're going to do all that. So Obama, he was the young, hot, fresh candidate. And if you just take the vibe and just the, the Riz, as you say, and you juxtapose when he was like, at least I'll go down as a two term president. Boom, Mike, cocky, Obama showing up, doing his thing. And now in the last 30 days, he tried to lecture black men, black men are like, yeah, I'm good. Thanks for rock. You know, he's getting, I've never seen, unless it's something I can't think of, I've never seen Barack Obama not be smooth, smooth! Even before the election there was a pause, stuttering, not confidence. Pat's always saying it's in the eyes, Chico, it's in the eyes, the eyes look flustered. All right, maybe he had an L right there. But

it's not just him because he's wearing the entire Democratic establishment on his back and he just realized, oh this whole thing just crumbled. So where does he even go from here? Yeah. So in a minute I'll, I'll say some things that you guys might disagree with. But, but first I understand exactly what you guys were saying. So, um, look, one of the things that I said in that, uh, Elon tweet about the Pentagon was I'd rather be in the populist woods than in an establishment prison.

And so these guys have been running the prison for a long time. And I don't mean Obama as a Democrat. I mean Obama, Biden, Pelosi, but also Mitch McConnell and Cheney and Bush, et cetera. The Uniparty. The Uniparty has, and if you went outside the guardrails and as happened to me at MSNBC, you've got issues, right?

You go outside the guardrails, you got issues. And that right there was him going, I can't believe there's a prison break. What happened? We had you guys bottled up and you were supposed to listen to our marketing. And we had mainstream media on lockdown. And then The View and Morning Joe would tell you to shut up and vote for us. And you would shut up and vote for us. And when I say us, again, let's be clear because Joe Scarborough was telling you to vote for George Bush and Dick Cheney. 100%. That's and then all of a sudden he's voting for the Democrats and Biden and Kamala Harris, right? Because it's the Uniparty. And so Scarborough is a Republican. He's just an old school Republican.

And so there's what you guys, I see it even more clearly than you guys, that there's a meltdown in the democratic establishment because their worldview got rocked. They thought we're in charge, we're going to get to run this thing forever. And no one's allowed to really disagree with us. And if they do, we'll cancel them. We'll, you know, do a character assassination. They almost did though, but they almost did. They almost did if you think about it. But by the way, Peter Thiel said this on Barry Taibbi's interview. I don't know if you saw that.

It's worth it on the fly back, drive back. It's worth you watching this one because Peter Thiel, you know, he thinks differently. He said- Matt Taibbi? Oh yeah, not Matt, not sorry. Barry Weiss. Barry Weiss, got it. My apologies. It's a a phenomenal, I messaged, I told a phenomenal job. But Peter says, you guys gotta realize, if the E. Jean Carroll, if the going after Trump,

if all the court everyday hearing, if the mugshot, if any of this stuff worked and he would have lost to Kamala, Trump's record would have been 2016, you got lucky and we were right. I cannot tell you how important 2024 was because Trump winning, the people are saying, no, we were right. Trump was right. Kamala winning Obama would have spoken in a different way hundred percent you know how he would have spoken his demeanor very different we told you yeah we told you so another way to frame populism establishment is outsiders versus insiders and so even if

you're a Democrat and you love Obama you can't say that he's not an insider he's an insider right and so this was the outsiders going we've had enough We've had enough you guys run this ran this place for decade after decade and we can't stand anymore and you got in and I agree with one other small thing and people on the left were mad at him when he started yelling at black men in you guys mentioned That like oh how dare you and stuff and even the left was like whoa Slow your roll. Okay okay so that's not your job here to come and yell at the voters etc but the parts I disagree with you guys on is because the reason why some folks are super worried on the left is

because of the things that people on the right and the Trump team have said like first of all why was I guess Trump we've begun through this we don't have to relitigate it because he won this time but he did in my opinion he tried to steal the last election he had fake plot, he said terminate the Constitution, etc. So when you see those things, and if you believe those things that he really did those things as I do, you're concerned! You're concerned about democracy. You're concerned, is this guy gonna leave office? You're concerned, is this gonna happen? Number two, gerrymandering. The Democrats do it too,

but the Republicans are kings at it. So when you gerrymander the hell out of a state and all of a sudden even though the state might be 50-50 But the Republicans have a huge lead in the state on congressional districts. That's true. That's real and And then the last thing is look you guys keep threatening to and I don't mean you guys I and I don't mean all of the right wing, but I do definitely mean some of the right wing, right? Keep threatening to arrest dr. Fauci, arrest Liz Cheney, arrest this person, arrest that. Now I think a preemptive pardon on Liz Cheney is nuts. Like, she's not even charged with a crime.

What are we even talking about, right? On the other hand, it's the idea that these people might get arrested is not crazy because people like Cash Patel have said, I got an enemies list, and if I'm the head of the Justice Department, or I'm the head of the Justice Department or I'm the head of the FBI, I'm going to arrest them.

So how could you say that that's crazy when that's what they threaten? But hold on, Chang, you don't think that Dr. Fauci, well, Mr. Fauci of all these people deserve, especially with the House Select Committee

coronavirus pandemic thing that just came out, the shit that this guy did and what they did and what they knew, of course these people belong in prison And I get your I get your angle on on the on the trump and you didn't like him But steal the election cheng 2020 they cheated the FBI was at Twitter hold on okay So check is the FBI at Twitter suppressing stories on social media not election interference cheating be honest for me

The FBI directed by the left How is that not cheating? Okay, brother that's cheating. No, no, come on. No, they're lying to the people No, let me explain Vinny So in 2016 in 2020 depends on what you mean by cheating and rigged right in the Democratic primary Did they and in 2024 did they rig it and cheated in a colloquial way. Yeah, of course. I stole the word cheating. Hold on. Let me explain the difference So they rigged the debates have as little debates as possible in 2016 They had the DNC funnel money to Hillary Clinton through the states So there's a ton of things that they did that rigged it in favor of Hillary Clinton

But that's not that's you could call it rigging and called cheating but it's not cheating in terms of fixing the votes changing the votes they never changed the votes against Bernie Bernie did actually lose even though like all but the reason he lost in my opinion is mainstream media is rigged against them DNC is rigged against them but they never changed the votes so you keep saying like oh the media is against me brother I mean I'm a left-wing populism he has been against me from 24-7 right from? From day one, I don't get to say, hey, the New York Times character assassinated me when I ran for Congress in 2020. I'd like them arrested. I get to say they character assassinated me, they're full

of crap, and I'm going to show you how full of crap they are, and I get to fight back, and I get to have my voice, but I don't get to put them in jail. Okay, but Dr. Fauci, lying about gain of function in front of Congress, check. Lying about what they were doing in a lab that we owned, and then shut down the world, killed all these people. Have you read the book, The Real Dr. Fauci? That book is just, Chang, if you haven't, read that book to know exactly who this guy is.

That's step one. Number two, and Pat, I think we're going to get into the stories of what the select committee talked about. But Chang, if you knew that they were doing gain of function and this thing leaked and you are and you were responsible for it and you lied in front of Congress, you lied. It's a fact. He lied and people are dead. I have friends, Chang, that are vaccine injured, not that long COVID bullshit. Vaccine injured, one of them is in this building. She's affected by it. That guy doesn't belong to go to he belongs in jail

100% so so hold on check none of them deserve prison. Nobody that has effed up this guy. They have been cheating since 2015 there's has to be accountability check we deserve that no so a couple things here look when they said It's not the Wu Han lab. I they still haven't said it definitively. They're still like I said, it's not the Wuhan lab. I- They still haven't said it definitively. They're still like, possibly, bullshit. We know it came from China. Why do we have to keep tippy-toeing about it?

So look, I'm on tape on all these things at the time, not later. I said, look brothers, you're telling me a giant virus broke out right next to the Wuhan virus lab. Yeah. Right, one of the biggest virus labs in the world. And you expect me to believe it broke out right next door to it, but because of a bat and a different kind of animal, et cetera, I'm like,

less likely, more likely broke out of the lab. So when Rand Paul was first questioning Fauci, I was a little skeptical. And it, and then at some point I was like, wait, that's an interesting point. Okay. So I hear you on all that, but we cannot arrest people for things we don't like or we don't agree with. So if you're saying, hey, here's a specific crime. Okay. I'm willing to listen to any specific crime. Are you kidding me on corruption? There's tons of crimes that we can have conversations on both sides, right? But it's gotta be a crime. We cannot go around arresting

people for, because we don't agree with them politically that's super dangerous. So do you think him and this is talking in in Washington which I think it's gonna happen him talking about pardoning so here's the thing why would you want to pardon Adam Schiff, Dr. Fauci and Liz Cheney of all people unless they it's not Trump's coming after them because this whole Trump the boogeyman coming after Chang is bullshit because it's the left. But you just said arrest Dr. said arrest I know I me personally from the shit that he's done especially with 1,000% because people I have died because he lied plain and simple but he lied that's freaking people out I'm like

you guys are freaked out that Trump was arrested that's freaking out the Democrats and when you guys start talking about a good good let them be freaked out to hell with all of them. Because we, Chang, we want accountability. The guy won, I love how everyone's shocked. You don't like Trump because of the personality, Chang. You say, you know, he's a con man, he's a cookie-lice. America spoke, we don't give a shit about that, Chang. It's the policy, he's been the policy guy from day one.

But accountability, I love that the left is panicking. They're all scurrying like freaking rats we deserve accountability and if that guy is guilty we want prison one person has to go to jail Chang we need one but Vinny that's why Obama gave that speech because he's worried that you're gonna say okay hey I don't have a crime yet but I want these guys there's no crime without you he lied in front of Congress about a virus gain of function they mess with animals and let jump to humans. Let me say something here and then I want to go to the committee as well as I want to

go to the pardons that they're talking about doing. You know, when you think about why to me, when I rank the events that helped Trump win in a landslide victory, and landslide, landslide, the majority is, you're right, the Republicans rarely win the majority, but he won, and that's a big victory for them to get that. It's the seven states is really what it is for me, and the plus minus of all states, that's kinda how I look at it when I think about it.

I think Musk is number one, but I think that day when Bobby walked out at the Turning Point USA event, and he got up and he said, I'm here now. And I asked myself, why are so many people fans of Robert Kennedy Jr.? Why is it? Actually think about it, he was an environmental lawyer.

Give me one thing about environmental lawyer he did that you still remember to talk about. Most people don't know that. You know what I'm saying, like imagine. Yeah, I do, cause I knew Bobby earlier. But what I'm saying is, do, it's just your world. What the average guy does. The average guy doesn't know.

It's like, what are you talking about, right? But if you ask the average guy right now, hey, what's the one thing about Bobby and why you support him? They're gonna bring up that Fauci book. By the way, that Anthony Fauci book he wrote in November of 2021-ish, got 26,000 reviews and he got those 26,000 reviews very quickly.

Fauci stopped the world. Fauci hurt a lot of people. Fauci manipulate and used this power in ways that was disgusting and it was unattractive. And by the way, my concern isn't like, look, do I wanna see Fauci go back to jail? No. What they did to Nixon, not go back to jail,

I don't know if he's been to jail. Go to jail. Go to jail. Nixon, Watergate, was that good for America? Yeah, because it got a crook out of office. Okay, I believe that's exactly how people feel about Fauci. They believe he's a crook. And he needs to be held accountable. And history needs to write that he's a crook. Look at the way you responded about Nixon. That movie needs to be made the

same way Anthony Hopkins played Nixon, somebody needs to play Fauci and show the dark side of this man what he did to America. Not jail, to me, pure account. That's all I care. I don't care whether you go to jail or not. He's an 82, 83 year old man. Go do your thing and get away and write a book and give the argument how sexy you are to Guardian, newspaper, whatever you want to do, go out and do it. For me, it's purely what they did to Nixon. And what Nixon did is one-tenth of what this guy did, in my opinion. I think there needs to be a level of accountability for that.

But I'm going to read this and we'll still continue with the discussion here. So, House COVID-19 panel releases final report criticizing public health response to the pandemic. The House selects up committee of the coronavirus, chaired by a Republican, Brad Wenstrup released a 520 page final report concluding the virus most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. Rob, if you want to go ahead and play this clip. Is the clip you have with Rogan or is it a- It is. Rogan's discussing the findings of the House Select Committee. Oh, okay. Go ahead and play the clip. The House released a 500 page report on COVID-19 pandemic key findings. COVID-19 likely originated from a lab related incident in Wuhan,

China. Crazy. You get banned from YouTube for saying that. Banned. Okay, over $200 billion in relief funds lost to fraud, with criminals exploiting weak oversight, prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates caused severe harm, economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss while lacking robust scientific support. Policies ignored natural immunity pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science. Absolutely.

WHO and CDC compromised by political interference, offering inconsistent unscientific guidance that fueled public distrustrust and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence. Select Subcommittee on Coronavirus Pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct. Every single one of them. No repercussions. That is wild. No retractions. Did you hear that? No.

And, Tregg, did you guys hear that? He said even federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence. That's from just the ground level. Fauci is the head. He's been around for how many presidencies? How many presidencies? And Tregg, I'm telling you, brother to brother, you have to read this book because only then you'll get the context of who this freaking demon is.

And I'm not one of these people. So Trenck, for the left to say, oh you guys want him to arrest and what has the left been doing? Think of all the shit they've done to him with weaponizing the FBI, Obama spying on his freaking campaign, Russian collusion, all the lawfare, the two fake impeachments, shooting him in his freaking head and the other side is talking shit like, oh he's gonna come after us. That's, that, that story is over. Nobody wants to hear it. This, this is accountability bro. This freaking rat wasn't, this snake, it almost reminds you of problem, reaction, solution, okay? The problem, you get the problem, you get the freaking a play a virus that comes out of a lab that we own the reaction, the media, everybody

comes and then the solution is vaccines. And then you, you demonize people. I'm happy that you played this back. They made Joe Rogan look green. CNN made him look green because they don't want ivermectin. Which Tom, isn't that like the cheapest, most safest thing that they ban it? Yeah, ivermectin was a proven antiviral. You had foreign aid workers, UNICEF workers used to be given it when they would go to like areas where a typhoon hits Bangladesh and there's all this mosquito and all this other stuff going on there and they would give them cholera shots and we're giving them

ivermectin to prevent the malaria. That drug had been had a purpose and a use for years. So look, I disagree with you guys on the vaccine, I disagree with Joe Rogan on the vaccine. Why? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. But what I disagree with more is shutting the conversation down.

So that was the number one problem in what Joe was just talking about. Because it turned out that it likely is from the Wuhan lab, but we were shutting that conversation down. Gain a function is an important and interesting conversation, but we were shutting that down. Why, when you say we could check, why and who was doing a check?

Why, why were they in lockstep, shutting it down on purpose, check? Why, why do you think? Why, they were ignorant? No, yeah. Oh, down on purpose? Why, why do you think? Why? They were ignorant? No, yeah. Oh, come on. Hold on, hold on.

Look, the establishment has certain group think. All the bubbles have group think, right? In the establishment group think, they genuinely believe we, like our position, is the objective position. Now you think that's nuts, like, oh, you privilege your own position, and I think it's a totally corporate position, an insider position and they say we're

objective but they genuinely believe it. So and in their mind they're like all of these lies are getting out and people are dying. They got to take the vaccine, you're gonna die if they don't take the vaccine. So that's why they have this in their minds a legitimate concern about it and in fact I think it is a legitimate concern if you were spreading massive misinformation, et cetera, et cetera. But my answer to that concern isn't, no one's allowed to have a conversation

and this is the official position. My thing is you say that about the vaccine, I say this about the vaccine, and we fight and we fight. And then people, the problem with the establishment is they don't trust the American people to make their own decisions. Okay? So I think that's the core of the problem that Rogan's talking about there, and he's right about that.

Even if we disagree on the vaccine or Fauci, etc., the left has got to stop trying to... And to be fair, again, it's not the left. For example, Andrew Cuomo. The left was against Andrew Cuomo from day one. We were against him on the COVID. We were against him on the corruption, non-stop help to his real estate donors, etc. So as much as I like his brother Chris, right, I've had issues with Andrew Cuomo for 20 years. And what did the establishment do? They shut it down. They shut it down. And number one tool they have against outsiders is character assassination. So that's why I understand you guys when you say, hey, Trump, you guys are doing a character assassination of him. You went after him legally, you went after

his reputation, et cetera. They did the same thing to Bernie. They called his supporters brown shirts and Nazis when he's like the most prominent, successful Jewish candidate in American history, right? And they did the same thing to me. Smear jobs from the New York Times. Oh, you're anti-Muslim.

Hey motherfucker, I am Muslim. So I hate the New York Times. And so, like, I mean, what kind of a preposterous thing is that? There's the t-shirt. Okay, so look, you guys know I'm atheist now, but not mentioning that I have a Muslim background and pretending that I'm anti-Muslim. So I've been through all those wars, Vinny, but neither side should arrest people for their opinions, shut down things, cancel culture. I mean, look, you want to talk about right-wing cancel culture, you go ahead, criticize Israel on

a college campus, see what happens. You literally get arrested! You literally get here, I mean, Ron DeSantis here in Florida has a law that if you're a company and you don't believe and you are in favor of boycott Divestment of sanctions of Israel is how we're gonna take away your livelihood We're gonna cancel your government contract because you dare to disagree with Israel. Well, fuck that I mean, is this America or isn't it? So if you're gonna be outsiders, let's be outsiders Let's rumble right and then I you know again There are things we agree on and we should focus on those and we should try to get those done. Yeah, for sure.

Just so you know, I'm all for debate, give your argument, we're on the Florida thing. Where there's, but for me- Can I just say one last thing about that though? But look, when you guys get this upset about Fauci, right? And all the things that you think he did wrong, understand that that's exactly what the left thinks about Trump.

But this is, but we have proof. No, no, no, no. It's different because I have proof. We have proof. Vinny, I'm not talking about the facts. We can debate the facts on Trump. We can debate the facts on Fauci. I just want you to understand what they feel.

And what I'm trying to explain to the left is what you guys feel. And you're getting mad at me saying, no, no, no, they're the enemy. They're the enemy. Don't try to understand what they feel don't try to understand their perspective I'm trying to get the country to talk to one another the right wing and left wing so as angry as you are about Fauci that's how angry people are about Trump on the left so now you understand why they act the way that they do and for those my friends on the left as angry as you were about Trump understand that's how Vinny feels about Fauci yeah right with with facts with the way that they do. And for those my friends on the left, as angry as you were about Trump,

understand that's how Vinny feels about Fauci. Yeah, with facts and results because of him lying in front of Congress. 77 million people. Just remember that. 77 million people, every state turning more red, they want to know what the hell Fauci did. We have four kids under the age of 12 and under, right? I can't, if I didn't have, these kids didn't have the luxuries that their dad had where I brought them to the office, every day I was their teacher. I homeschooled my kids for the whatever, a few months, you were there.

You were there. You were there. Every day they had PE at the office, they had classes they were taking, they had homework they had to do. Actually for us, it was a great opportunity because we got very close during that time. But for the average person, COVID destroyed a lot of relationships, businesses, jobs, memories of third-generation restaurant that was shut down because of this guy named Fauci.

There needs to be accountability for that because when the future pandemic happens, where Peter Hotez, Rob, if you can just pull up that clip, Peter Hotez, who is one of the sexiest men in America, according to the left, when you compare his- It's good news for me, maybe I'm sexy. No, no, this guy's like, listen, I mean, he is, he did not wanna debate Bobby, R.F. Kennedy.

We ended up raising three and a half million dollars for him to agree to go on Joe Rogan's podcast with Bobby and he says no, he didn't want to do it. He says it's not healthy for America for us to do it because we have nothing to debate. We were right. Here's Peter Hotez aka Nostradamus making a prediction. Go ahead Rob. Here's the reason why we need to care about this stuff. Nicole, is that we have some big picture stuff coming down

the pike starting on January 21st. Mr. Bloomberg mentioned H5N1, that I'm really worried about. It's all over wild birds on the western part of the United States and going up in the north. it's getting into the poultry. We're seeing sporadic human cases, no human to human transmission yet, but that could happen. It's in the cattle, it's in the milk. And that's just the beginning. We have another major coronavirus likely brewing in Asia.

We've had SARS in 2002, SARS-2, COVID-19 in 2019. And we know these viruses are jumping from bats to people thousands of times a year, but that's there's still more there. We know that we have a big problem with mosquito transmitted viruses all along the Gulf Coast, where I am here in Texas or expecting dengue and possibly Zika virus coming back or a poochie virus maybe even yellow fever and there's more than we have all this sharp rise in vaccine preventable You can pause it by now by the way, by the way, can you play the clip I just sent you Rob? this is the one when he was on Rogan, okay and

Rogan asks him a basic question And the question is, you know, do you think vitamins are needed while you eat junk food? And he's asking him like, do you exercise? Do you eat right? Do you do this? Yeah, I probably shouldn't be eating junk food. Like, what's better taking a vaccine or eating good food? Now this is four minutes and 20 seconds. While we're doing commentary, maybe Robbie can listen to what section that is and it will play the 30, 40 second clip. But Peter Hotez, when you see that, what do you think about it?

Tom, I'll come to you first. What I think about Peter, it's, you know, this guy's a learned scientist. I mean, I give him credit for that. But I sit back and I feel like here it is fear porn, non-specific fear porn running down a list of things that each on their own right have an element of truth. Have mosquitoes transmitted viruses on the Gulf Coast? Yes. You know, you could go down this list.

Are is H1N1, I think I just said that wrong. The bird virus. Is that going between ducks and poultry, wild ducks and poultry? Well, apparently it is in cases. But it's just, he's running down a list of things that are a little truth under the umbrella of N-words.

And by the way, all those things he's described have medical-based propagations. You can mathematically see it go through populations of animals. It doesn't wait for Valentine's Day and say, okay, here come the hearts. He's out there with this fear porn that somehow on the 21st, it's suddenly going to jump out. Go ahead, play this clip. The holidays are here. Ready to spread some sparkle?

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cautious about your diet? I'm not as cautious about my diet as I should be. I'm a junk foodaholic, actually. Well, that junk food-a-holic actually. Well that seems like a terrible thing for your health. It is a terrible thing for my health and something my wife is working on. But that seems ridiculous for someone who works with health. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes, man. Sometimes, man.

Trust the science, baby. Look at Joe. Trust the science. What? How often? How often do I steal a bag of chips or something like that? How often do you eat garbage? of chips or something like that garbage? Hopefully not every day, but

Often you card. Yes, what's with Rachel my Autism that's like our thing is to go to the it's called the burger joint or to shake shack together To get a cheeseburger will we'll sneak some fries. So, you live in large, we call it. Like that mouth pleasure so much, you're willing to sacrifice a little bit. I have to concede that's the case. Well, I mean, I don't have to tell you, but there's a large body of data that connects poor diet to a host of diseases. That seems like a crazy

decision for a guy in your line of work. There you go. Sometimes the, sometimes the, it's not all brain, it's something else. But I mean, this is uncomfortable to watch. And I just got my 12th booster! Because think about it, think about it. Think about. Let's think about vaccines are better than a proper diet It's what he's that's exactly what he's saying and then but think about indirectly the warning. This is a warning Okay, they're letting you know just like they did with the pen with kovat where they had all this They were setting us up for this guy is a pandemic of freaking

Planner like how the fact that he's saying the day after Trump gets in there's a list like a to-do list of Viruses that are pretty he's giving us a heads up of what's going to be coming down If that am I missing something are you saying that you don't trust anything he says app Did you see that's his smile how if you just didn't know anybody you didn't know him Would you trust that guy with your health? Well? Him or what he's predicting or what do you think him saying on the 21st? Trump comes in. What do you think? Let me give you my explanation. I don't agree or disagree with that guy. I'm hearing what he's saying and saying, all right, this guy's

a what is it a biologist scientist kind of probably knows a thing or two. But as Jake was saying, let's have him debate somebody. You'll never have a conversation. He won't. So if he doesn't debate, how do we, how can we be assured? No, this is what he's saying is porn. So the media is going to give him a soap. I don't know if he's peddling it.

I think he actually believes it and the media. Okay. Well, then he's peddling something that he actually believes, but he's wrong. I think the first time we heard about this guy was about six months ago. Yes. Peter Hotez. Hell no. He's been rock. I've been rocking with Hotez for 10 years. He's been around. I never heard about this guy. I have. But I remember the height of his popularity came when RFK during his

running for election was like, all right, well, let's have a conversation and RFK was bumping out a Push up. So was he doing it lifting weights? Yeah, and just jacked Are you kidding me RFK and he's like, how about you and just a geeky ass lab coat? But the two guys they need to debate to have that conversation one of the things that I have the most trouble with is Anyone who says they knew exactly what was going on when this when this started. No, you don't. You have no clue. Nobody did. Whether it was Trump, whether it was Biden, whether it was Fauci. But I remember in Dallas, I remember in Boca when we first started the podcast three, four years ago, if we even tried to have a conversation amongst ourselves, or even with guys

like Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Peter McCullough, we would, what happened with PBD? What would happen to the channel? We'd get a strike, we'd get something. And people were very adamant about having this conversation. And me, I'm like, guys, I don't think it's just worth talking about. Is it worth losing the channel over? And some people with their conviction not PBT were like yes We need to have this conversation. I said nothing's bigger than our channel imagine if you IT got taken down But I think the the the reality is the conversations need to happen. We need to have these debates Yeah, I don't know if this guy's right or wrong

But I want someone who's smarter than any of us to challenge him just like Rand Paul challenged Fauci. That's what needs to happen Yeah, so look to challenge him just like Rand Paul challenged Fauci. That's what needs to happen. Yeah. So look, I agree with Tom. He's a good scientist, et cetera, but they're kind of using him as an Alan Lichtman here, right? So the mainstream media will pick different so-called experts to push out the point that they want to push out, right? So in this case, they want to scare the living crap out of you about January 21st.

So as good a scientist as he might be, don't tell me that yellow fever might start on January 21st. That's nuts, right? That reminds me of Alan Lichtman's keys and oh, I know, I know, I'm the expert. I'm the expert, right? So now I got a super interesting story for you guys. About a decade ago, Bobby comes to me because we knew each other from like liberal circles back in the day and says hey I want to do this debate

right just like you wanted to do to do debate like this here right but he's been wanting to do it forever now I don't agree with Bobby on vaccines and I don't know how he knows better than 99 percent of the doctors and the scientists but but I said, okay, I love debate. So I tried to organize a debate a decade ago with Bobby and these guys, and I couldn't get a single scientist, professor, or anyone to debate. This was when?

This was about 2015 actually, nine years ago. Okay? Wow. Why, why, John? Because this is what I'm trying to, like, get the Democrats and the left to stop thinking this way because they think even the debate misleads people because it leads them to think maybe it's 50-50 or 60-40, right?

And it's platforming, et cetera. And that's why they were like, oh, Kamala Harris shouldn't go on Joe Rogan. That'll platform Joe Rogan. No, you knuckleheads. He's trying to platform you. Like, and they think because they got this mindset of we're permanently in charge, right? And it's our rules. It's our playhouse. And you and this, these, this is the thing. So, so since they never Latin had to let Cenk Uygur on or Anika sparing on or Vinny on or Pat on to CNN,

MSNBC, they think, well, we'll just shut them out. But again, guys, they genuinely believe it. They think, this is super dangerous if we let it get out, so we've got to make sure they shut up. But that is not what America is about. America is about freedom, it's about all of us talking together, and it's about some of us being wrong from time to time. Right? And so that's why this attitude is wrong. Here, I got a proposal, right? I like proposals. Why don't now the election is over, Bobby is likely going to be the head of Health and Human Services. Now you got to debate him, right? Now they probably want to debate him. So why don't you

and I, Pat, moderate a debate, okay? And I bet you they take it now. I don't know if Bobby will take it now because now he's going to be in charge potentially, right? But now that he's in this situation, whether it's before his confirmation, after his confirmation, but hey, before the confirmation would be amazing, right? You think Peter Hotez would sit down with you two in RFK? I don't care if it's him, but give me your best sign.

Someone that I agree with, right? Someone that believes in vaccines, someone that believes that the fluoride in the water is fine, whatever it is, but especially vaccines. Well, listen, I would personally give $5 million to a charity to sit down with a three-hour podcast of Fauci and RFK, and he would never do it. Never. $5 million to any vaccine injured people. Matter of fact, Fauci gets to choose the charity, okay? Two and a half million Fauci's charity,

two and a half million Bobby's charity, five million dollars, three hours sit down to actually debate and he can't plead the fifth. If you plead the fifth, the money goes to the other charity of RF Kennedy. You have to actually talk. If you wanna do that, we'll have that three hours. Because to me, the person that we would like to see is that.

That's the debate. In regards to Bobby, the one thing about Bobby that you have a relationship with him, you've known him a lot longer than I have, this guy's as true a believer as possible. 11 o'clock, I've told the story, 11 o'clock at night, I'm in Texas, we're trying to, they're asking us

to get these new vaccines for the kids. I'm like, wait a minute, now we're gonna use religious exemptions, our kids are going to Christian school, they said you can't do that in Texas. I'm like, what are you talking about? You can use religious exemption in Texas. I said, we're in Texas. So I text Bobby at 11 o'clock, hey,

do you know anything about this? Boom, calls me. Jen and I are on the phone at 11 o'clock, hey, do you know anything about this? Boom, calls me. Jen and I are on the phone at 11 o'clock at night for an hour. He's three-waying other people in Texas and he's finding out that guess what? You can't. They have to get the vaccine. We came to Florida. You know what we did in Florida with our three-year-old daughter?

Now she's three at the time she was a newborn. Went to the doctor. No, we're not doing this, this, this, this, this, we're just gonna do one. Religious exemption, no problem, go for it, right? Bobby was on the phone for an hour. Bobby will take any fight at any time. That guy's looking for it because he's a true believer.

There's something very unique about a true believer, but this guy's an establishment guy with all the fancy degrees and all the other stuff that he's done, more power to him, but he's not. He's afraid. He's protected by the establishment. Let me go to the next one here, Rob. Rob, can we pull up the video about all the different pardons Biden may be giving here? So Biden White House is discussing preemptive pardons for those in Trump's crosshairs, okay? And there's quite a few of them here. I don't know, Rob, if he's explaining in the video or not.

Biden's aides, led by White House counsel Ed Siskel, are debating preemptive pardons for public affairs officials could face retaliation, including Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney. Fauci Schiff rejected the idea, saying, "'I would urge the president not to do that. "'I think it would seem defensiveensive and unnecessary the time for cautious Restraints is over. We must act with urgency to push back against these treats and prevent Trump from abusing its power Etc, etc. Rob if you want to play this clip go for it. Yeah, so this is just so you know, this is from

2020 this is Joy Reid with Adam Schiff where they talk about preemptive pardons when it comes to Donald Trump Possibly pardoning his children and why that was a huge problem. Okay weird with Adam Schiff where they talk about preemptive pardons when it comes to Donald Trump possibly pardoning his children and why that was a huge problem. Weird. Barack Obama never had to think about whether he needed to pardon Sasha and Malia and yet Donald Trump is reportedly discussing pardons for his kids. The presidential pardon was originally meant to grant the president the power to temper justice with mercy. It was not

enshrined in our Constitution so that a dishonorable man could reward his criminal allies, friends, and family for their corrupt practices. Trump is considering preemptive pardons for his adult children. Late last night we learned that Trump has discussed preemptive pardons for his three eldest progeny. The news was first reported by the New York Times. Joining me now is Congressman Adam Schiff of California, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. Have you ever heard of somebody getting a preemptive pardon

who was innocent of all crime, who's just an innocent person? Have you ever heard of that, just somebody getting a blanket pardon and they're an innocent person? No, it's the president's own family it's people that have been covering up for the president in addition to his own family so there is a self-interest at play as well it's been essentially a den of these and these environment and so I think the president used this as his way of trying to protect those that have protected him. Kevin Spacey right there. What's the other clip you got Rob? The other is just an

NBC analyst explaining why Biden should issue preemptive pardons. Let's see what this person says. I'm curious. Preemptive clemency. I hope that President Biden will also issue preemptive pardons to all of those people threatened by the injustice of what will become the Department of Justice in the Trump administration. That of course includes Jack Smith and all of his staff, many Department of Justice lawyers. It includes President Biden himself, although we don't know that anyone can legally pardon themselves. He will need a pardon because he is going

to be harassed and charged for no crimes whatsoever. Donald Trump has promised that. Anthony, to pick up on that. By the way, what's his name? Yesterday I'm watching Rand Paul and Rand Paul says Fauci is probably going to get a pardon. He's sane. And you know Rand Paul and those stuff, going back and forth. He's probably going to get a pardon. He's sane. And you know, Rand Paul and those stuff have been going back and forth. He's probably going to get a pardon. Then he said Biden could potentially pardon his own brother and give the same kind of a pardon. And the trickiest one that was said is that he may even pardon himself because of what could happen. Now, has there ever been a president that pardoned themselves? Not as far as I know. So look, I used to be friends with Joe Reid when I was an anchor on MSNBC.

And so we had a huge falling out afterwards. And the reason is, what is that? I mean, look at the propaganda. So I'm principled. I don't think that Trump should have pardoned Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Charles Kushner. Charles Kushner's family had nothing to do with the administration at the time, but I also don't think Hunter Biden should be pardoned. I don't think Adam Schiff and all these people need to be pardoned. So what do we... First of all, there is no such... This is an invention, preemptive pardon. What the f is that, right? That's not a thing, right? So you got to be charged with a crime. You actually have to be convicted of a crime before you get a pardon, but Trump screwed that up because the minute any of

his allies were in trouble, I pardon, I pardon. So Trump definitely did it, but you can't, if you're Joy Reid or you're MSNBC, you're these people, you can't say, I can't believe Trump was thinking of pardoning his family members or pardon, oh, but of course Biden should pardon his family members and all of his allies, et cetera. So the idea of staying principled is just an anathema to them, they hate it. And so look, I have a suggestion, let's see if we can agree to this one.

I have one pardon suggestion for Trump, but Biden could beat him to the punch and get all the glory. Pardon Edward Snowden, okay? Edward Snowden revealed the deep state, wiretapping us, listening to average Americans, right? He's an American hero, the left-wing populace have always thought Edward Snowden was a hero. And so can we get an agreement here

that the pardon of Edward Snowden makes sense? I agree 100% that he needs to get pardoned. I do. Yeah. What about you Tom? 100% and Silk Road. Okay so look if we all agree that Edward Snowden should be pardoned, let's go! Pardon actual heroes, pardon people who actually need a pardon, pardon people who looked out for the American people rather than themselves. I agree. So let's go. And by the way if we all unite on these things, what do I mean by unite? Is that if we all push it together,

and like today, if it goes viral that Edward Stone should get the pardon, the good news about Trump, and this is, I always give credit where credit is due, is he actually listens to people. Like he cares about his base. And this is what drives me crazy about the Democratic Party. They don't care about their base at all. They kind of don't

like their base, right? But when I put out the tweet about Elon Musk and cutting the Pentagon, why did Elon and Donald Trump Jr. respond? Is it because of me? Maybe partially, but mainly it was because look at all those right-wingers in the comments section going, yeah I caught the Pentagon, yes, conflict of interest rules for generals, and I bet I can get agreement on that here too, right? But I am curious, do you guys wanna cut the Pentagon? Of course. Cut the Pentagon.

So okay, so let's go through a couple different numbers because we actually just did this the other day. The annual budget of how much the U.S. government spent last year was what, Rob? $4.7 trillion? I think the number is $4.7 trillion. Okay? Of the $4.7 trillion, what is it? $6.1, I know, but I took the $1.4 out, right?

They're about $4.5 trillion in revenue is what it gets. We spent $6.1 trillion trillion so about four point five four point Seven is the money that comes in that we collect income is about five trillion and our Expenses is over six so well over a trillion Of the four of the four point seven trillion, you know where we spend the most money Rob Can you type in where where we spend most of the money what percentage goes to what do you know what it is? Yeah, I do. What is it? It's all social security, Medicare, Medicaid,

those are the big three. You know what's three? Yeah. Military. Okay, so now check this out. You know what's tied with the military? What's that? Is the interest on our debt.

Right, but if you- It's well over a trillion dollars. It is. So check this out, I got a couple ideas, if you go in there. I have a couple ideas. If you zoom in, Rob, I just wanna show the categories, because I think it's 27%, 21%, 18%. Brandon, can you send it right there?

So 21% social security, 18% national defense, 15% health, 13% Medicare, and if you go into charts for the audience to see, there's a few things that we need to do because this is the problem. I don't think that's the one. There's a few things that we need to do because this is the problem. I don't think that's the one. There's another one that's a better one. That's an older one. Anyways, this is my thoughts on this. And actually, we put some time thinking about,

do you know what US, just 150 years ago, do you know where 100% of our revenue was coming from? Tariffs. 100% was tariffs. 100%, yeah. No income tax. We lived, everything for us was off of tariffs. Okay? Everything for us was off of tariffs. Okay? Do you know the US government, what percentage of the US income they were living off of. Meaning the money that we make that they tax, 2%. Now it's 37%.

They rely on what we do and what we produce. Tariffs. We get rid of tariffs, we introduce taxes. Every time taxes was introduced, you know what it was due? For war. Right? Let's do this war, no problem. What's his name comes out, Lincoln comes out, Civil War, hey guys, we need to tax you.

Up to 7%. It's tiers. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, great. Once we pay off the debt for the war, we'll stop taxing you. Guess what happened 10 years later? Another war. No, they paid off the war, they stopped taxing. So it's like, okay, we're done.

Next. Okay, we're done. Boom, next. Do you know in 1894 what happened? Rob, type in 1894, Supreme Court ruled, I think it's called something against farmers, Pollack against farmers. Type in Pollack against farmers. Do you know in 1894 what Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional?

Income taxes. Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional income taxes in 1894. Supreme Court ruled Pollock versus Farmers that federal income tax was unconstitutional. That's just a hundred years ago. Just a hundred years ago. Then what happens? Then all of a sudden we have 1913. Two things happened in 1913 right before World War I. What is it? Federal Reserve and taxes gets introduced. What happens in 1914? You got World War I

starts. Then what happens? You know what happens next in the 30s? You know when we introduce and we accept it? The taking income from your paycheck. Nobody did that. It's the, what do you call it when you're taking income out of your… Payroll taxes. Payroll taxes. And American people are like, yeah, let's agree to it. Dead. From that moment on, you were done. You agreed for the government to take taxes before you make money. That was like, this is what we fought for, right?

So then fast forward to today. Do you know right now with the revenues that we get, what the exact dollar amount the US government gets from tariffs? Now? Do you know what the exact dollar amount we get from tariffs? What do you think the dollar amount the US government gets from tariffs? Do you know what the exact dollar amount we get from tariffs? What do you think the dollar amount, income that comes into them? From us, they're getting $4.7 trillion, give or take. Of the $4.7 trillion that the US gets, what percentage do you think is other countries

paying tariffs? What do you think is the dollar amount? Give me the dollar amount. Of the 4.7 trillion, what do you think is the dollar amount that we collect? 50 billion. What do you think? 50 billion out of 4.7 trillion? It's very low. That's like 99.9% is on that. 1.2 trillion? What do you think it is, Tom? No, I don't think it's in the trillions. I'm guessing. I think it's in the billions. I'm going to stay closer to a trillion and a half. A trillion and a half trillion and a half you know what the numbers 80 billion out of this guy did you under this guy Tom yes tell me you're tell me

you're not shell-shocked please tell me you're not so I'm completely shell shocks I know powers active check this out revenue act you may be asking yourself I asked you brother I know the War Powers Act of the War Revenue Act of 1910. You may be asking yourself, I ask you brother, I ask you a question about Pentagon. What the hell does this have to do with Pentagon? You know what it has to do with Pentagon? Do you know right now we tax 2% tariffs? Our average tariff is 2% on countries. Because it's $4 trillion that we get, we tax 2%, what's 2%? $80 billion. Do you realize if we raised across the board that 4 trillion that you're doing business with us, across the board we raised tariffs to 25% no matter what country it is, we now generate a trillion dollars.

Now let me go to the other part. Do you know how much military personnel we have in Japan? Do you know how much military personnel we have in Japan? Give or take, how many soldiers do we have in Japan. Do you know how much military personnel we have in Japan? Give or take. How many soldiers do we have in Japan right now? Twenty thousand. Fifty two thousand people. Give or take. Why do we have fifty two thousand people in Japan? We're protecting from who? From possibly what? China. Okay. So let's, North Korea, China, we have military in South Korea. Okay, but who's providing protection? We are, right?

Okay. Do you know who we owe the most money to? Japan. They have a trillion one bond on us. In our bonds, yeah. In our bonds, right? Do you know if you calculate from 1945, give or take till today, that we've had all those soldiers there, how much that investment has been to Japan?

Roughly $410 billion. So say half a trillion dollars. So what if we go and we negotiate with Japan and we say to the following, listen guys, we appreciate you guys, you're amazing, we're willing to continue to provide you protection from all the enemies around you, however, that trillion and a half loan, the bond that you bought, we have to split it in half because since 1945 we've given you protection, we got to cut this out. This has got to be gone.

We're not doing this anymore moving forward. So our debt from 1.1 officially became $600 billion. Great. Moving forward, all the other countries, minimum 25%. Boom. Our income now went from $80 billion to what? A trillion dollars. We did the math yesterday, I'm sorry, not yesterday, three days ago, on what it would

take for us to make income taxes zero in the US. You know it's actually possible? Do you know it's actually possible to make income taxes zero? It'll take 10 years to get there, but we can actually make income taxes zero. Some adjustments. A big part of it was eliminating things like Pentagon, getting rid of many of these military – the stuff that we have 800 military bases worldwide, what are we doing?

And we're paying for it? No, you pay for it. We're giving you protection. If I right now, yesterday we gave away a few hundred Christmas trees out of property. It was a sick experience. I don't know if you were out there or not. It was freaking awesome out there. People were coming, taking cars.

They're like, what do I have to pay you? Nothing. Take a seven-foot Christmas tree on us from Carolina. Take that stand. Take these ornaments. God bless seven foot Christmas tree on us from Carolina, take that stand, take these ornaments, God bless, Merry Christmas. People are in tears crying yesterday while they're there, right? Literally crying. We had 30 police officers there yesterday.

We had security over there. Are they doing it for charity? No, the security is protecting, right? What do you do with security? You have to provide them. If we're providing all the security for all these countries, why are we paying for it? You got to pay us for it, right? So there are so many ways that the way money is managed right now, which is absolutely ridiculous, that if we actually sat there, this is why I'm excited about DOJ, the Department of Government Efficiency,

if there's anybody that can pull off firing and cutting and get them, do you know what percentage of government employees show up to work every day? Do you know what percentage of government employees have to come and work at the office every day? Do you know what the percentage is? Is it less than 40? Six percent. What?

Right there, read it. The government is all remote? House Speaker Balk at Senate report showing only 6% of federal workers show up in person on a full-time basis. What the hell are they doing? Work from home. They could be part-time. Like so yeah, it doesn't mean that that's the only people that show up. It just means that only 6% are showing up five days a week. Even if we take 50% of it and let's just say the full-time. It's still a 4%. So that number's still, what's the point though? Hey, you wanna work from home? Go into free market and see if you make it.

Go, cause you know who's paying that? You know who's paying that? We're paying for that. There is like a decision like this we can make where half our expenditure can be gone within two years. Literally. And we have to put everything on the table. What do you guys do?

John Stewart asks you, hey, how do you miss an audit for Pentagon? Well, I don't like the way you say it because that's not really what it is. I'm sorry, what other way is it? Have you seen this interview with Stewart and the lady? Yeah, no, I didn't see it, but that infuriates me. So no, look, you missed seven audits in a row. If that happens in a private company,

you're in a world of trouble. If you miss one audit, where's the money? You're a zombie company at that point. And if you're a CEO of a company and you're a private company, you're in a world of trouble. If you miss one audit, where's the money? You're a zombie company at that point. And if you're a CEO of a company and you're a CFO, your chief financial officer, screws it up so that he misses it, you can't pass an audit,

and your investors don't know where the money is, that brother's gonna get fired. And he's gonna get fired in the first year, not in the seventh year. So if I was Trump, and I said, hey, look, put me in, coach, if I'm Trump, Elon, et cetera, I'd ask the generals, where's the effing money?

If you can't tell me where $400 billion is, because they missed by about $400 billion, if you can't show me where $400 billion of our money is, you either find the money or you find your next job. Okay, period I'm not interested in I can't find 400 billion dollars. I mean in 2015 This is again this platforming bullshit They buried a report because they don't want it to get out from the pentagon that they knew for a fact 125 billion dollars was just for waste fraud and abuse. I mean, they're just robbing us blind.

Soap dispensers sold by Boeing at an 800% markup. Okay, can you do that in a real business? You can't do that in a real business, but in the Pentagon, and guys remember, why did I pick the Pentagon? Because that's a place where if you ever question that the establishment would say, how dare you, you're endangering national security.

You're un-American. You're gonna get us all killed if we don't pay 800% markup for soaps. And you remember the like the golden toilets and the $800 hammer. Support the troops. So when they did that bullshit, remember I fought Dick Cheney before he was in the Democratic party. And I'd say support the troops. I looked it up at the time and now it's a tiny bit better but not much, this incoming salary for service members was $19,000. $19,000 a year. Where's the support to troops?

The money isn't going to the troops. The money's going to Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, et cetera, okay? So let's go. I mean look, Bernie and AOC suggested a bill to cut the Pentagon by about 88, 89 billion dollars a bunch a couple of years back, right? And it went nowhere because the Republicans voted against it, Democrats vote against it, the establishment never wants to cut the Pentagon. You tell me we

need twice as much money as we did just like ten years ago? Bullshit. They're robbing us blind. They're robbing us blind. They're robbing us blind. Now, so look, here's another agreement of the internet, the right wing, the left wing, the outsiders saying, for God's sake, cut the Pentagon. Look, I would say at least a hundred billion dollars. If you're not cutting a hundred billion dollars, you didn't even try. Oh no, no, no, no. We can cut, in my opinion, $2 trillion. You know what my idea is with Social Security? Hey, to all the people that paid in, old folks, we're going to take care of you.

Moving forward, anybody else, you paid in this much, here's money back to you. Do whatever you want to do. Moving forward, there's no Social Security. However, when you're above 65 years old, if you choose to work after 65 years old, you pay no income taxes. Go out there, you're not paying any taxes. If you choose to work for a few years, you're making 180 grand,

you're gonna go five more years, seven more years. That 180 grand you make over the next five years, you're 78,000 dollars you make over the next seven years, guess what? Zero taxes, save all of it. That because we're living to 90 years old. So what are we doing? Back in the days when social security was introduced at 65, we were dying at 62. Only a few thousand people actually got Social Security.

We have to make some bold decisions with this. By the way, going back to the pardon, do you know which presidents have pardoned the most people? Because you said pardon Trump pardon this guy, Trump pardon that guy. You know who's pardoned the most people? It's interesting when you think about it. Do you think more Republicans pardon people or Democrats pardon people Democrats? My guess is if you're bringing it up it was that Well watch this that you know what I didn't know until you said that So when you said that I was like cuz you know I said gerrymandering typically Republicans historically it's true It's known that they're more creative when it comes down to the gerrymandering stuff. Okay fine 6040 Republicans do more than them.

But pardons, watch this, grab, pull this up and do me a favor, right there, watch this. Go ahead. FDR pardoned the most people. Nearly 4,000. Liberal. Wilson, 2480. Liberal. Truman, 2,000.

Obama is fourth place with nearly 2,000 people. Coolidge. On the leaders board. Coolidge, I think, was a conservative, if I'm Republican, if I'm not mistaken. Hoover, Grant, Johnson, Eisenhower, Cleveland, Roosevelt, Nixon. Where's Trump? Hayes, Harding, Taft, Harrison, John F.'s Trump keep going Carter Clinton for where is Trump? Lincoln Reagan where is Trump? 237 wow there you realize Trump only pardoned 10% of what Obama pardoned wow you guys are talking about Trump pardoned

There's W. No, but but Pat it depends on who you pardoned Well, for example hold on hold on for example Clinton is really low on that list But who did he pardon at the end? He pardoned all of his donors. So like, you see what I'm saying? It's not just the wrong number. They might have given pardons to people who deserved it. After a war, sometimes they pardon folks

who didn't serve in the war, et cetera, right? But Clinton pardoned Mark Rich, who was a super rich donor of his. So when you pardon people that are in your family, like he did with Charles, like Trump did with Charles Cushman, that's the issue. What's worse than pardoning your own son? Yeah, I agree with you.

So for me- But again, I'm principled, I agree with you. I understand. So all I'm saying is sometimes you hear about pardon, guess what, moving forward, now we know who pardoned a lot of people, who didn't pardon a lot of people. 237.

As much as they talk, the way the media paints Trump as if he pardoned 17,000 people. 237 is who he pardoned, okay? And we're going to see here who Biden is going to be pardoned with the next few weeks. That's going to be real interesting while we're going through this whole situation. Anyways, let's go to the next story. Catastrophic situation here with United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson killed outside Manhattan

Hotel Rob. If you can play the clip and stop, just show a little bit. I don't want to show the whole clip. The audience can see it. It is tough. This is the CEO of United Health. If you want to play it while he's walking and then when the guy pulls up the gun, just stop it.

Go for it. This is around 7 a.m. Pause it. Pause it right there. Boom. There you go. Okay? Right there's around 7 a.m. Pause it, pause it right there. Boom, there you go. Okay? Right there if you could pause. Okay, fantastic. Yeah, so you see this. By the way, he's by himself. They interviewed his security. They said on this trip, he didn't have security. Normally, when you're top 20, top 50, they all have somebody. He's going

by himself to the meeting. This setup takes place. I think he shoots him, if I'm not mistaken, six times. If you see the clip, it gets stuck, he continues, and there's a lot of story behind it of being an inside job. The guy on the bullets had two words on it, Rob. Three words. Three words. What was it, Rob? Deny, delay, and depose. Deny, delay, and depose. Deny, delay, and, what is it? Deny, depose, and defend.

The NYPD is investigating the possible message which appears to include the words deny, depose, and defend written on live rounds and show casings left behind by masked assassin. Vinny, what do you know about this story? Well, I mean, first of all, obviously mean obviously tragic for you know he has a wife I think he had two kids Rob so you know you know prayers go out to them, but um so he was he was pronounced dead at Mount Sinai and then Apparently he was earning a ten million dollar salary. He led the company to a record-breaking 98.9 billion billion in one quarter.

So he's a heavyweight. But in 2022, he took over right after COVID. And he became this polarizing figure because they started denying payments for non-critical ER visits, a policy that critics says penalize patients for seeking care that they need the most. And then United Health faced a lawsuit for using faulty AI, faulty AI, weird, obviously they set it up, to deny elderly patients medically necessary coverage.

The company was also being probed by the DOJ for alleged antitrust violations. He himself, Thompson, was under investigation for, what is it, Tom, the Nancy Pelosi type stuff. Inside of trading. Inside of trading. And then you should see online, online there was people going crazy, and it wasn't talking crap about the killer

okay thousands of people went on venting about the frustration over system accused of valuing profits over patients some people wrote was his trip to the ER really emergent according to his own company my husband's heart attack wasn't an actual emergency and we were out $3,000. And another guy wrote, sending a prior authorization to deny claims, collections and prayers to his family. A lot of people were trying to say, oh this was a hit, this was assassination. The guy wrote, deny, delay and defend, which was basically saying that these insurances

are screwing people over. I have a feeling that this guy, Chank, either his daughter or his son or a mother or something was going on with this guy's family and this company is behind it because, oh, I have a chart, Rob, do you have that chart, bro? I think I sent it to you the other day. Out of all the people that deny claims, out of all the companies, guess where United Health is in that list? Number one. Look at this, Cenk. It's 32%. Rob, I think I slacked it to you. It might have been in the unusuals one. No, they're number one. Look at this, Cenk. It's 32%. Rob, I think I slacked it to you. It might have been an unusual one. No, they're number one.

They're number one when I think... You gotta have the percent, because they're the largest, so you need the percent denied to truly rate it. Yeah, it's about 32%. It's monstrous. A third of the people... Look at that.

Look at the claim denial rates by insurance company. Look at that. They're 32%. Wow. Pat, Kaiser's at 7%. They're 32% pat 32 Kaiser's that 7% They're denying the crap. What is the industry average? What is that number 16? 16 so they're double their double And then think about it. I don't hate to be this guy It is what it is when you're screwing people over like that at the corporate level and they don't realize tank

They think they're untouchable the sad to say you're not untouchable because you are affecting people's lives I don't know the full story but to write to write carve that into shell casings that's a freaking personal vendetta and that's personal that has something personal to do it out in the open I think they're gonna they'll probably catch this guy in a week or two but I mean the numbers don't lie that's actually still on the run? He's still on the run. Can I just say, this is the exact segment we did on the Young Turks yesterday.

So this is what I'm talking about. If we just talk to each other, it's amazing how much weaker. We totally agree, shooting this guy is terrible, immoral, totally unacceptable. Violence is always unacceptable. It's always surrender in the battlefield of ideas, et cetera. Now, at the same time, not but, but at the same time, at the same time, you have this chart, and it's true.

And so it goes to the point that we've been talking about. People, like the people in power are bottling everything up and they think that they can maintain that. This is unprecedented, it doesn't happen in other countries. In other countries, in all other developed nations, you're actually guaranteed healthcare, and then you could put private healthcare on top. We don't do that.

So 76,000 people, according to studies, die every year because they don't have health insurance. That number is zero in other countries. So as much as I mourn this, and I do, I don't want anybody to think otherwise, right? I also mourn those 76,000 Americans that die every year because they get denied coverage. Because think about health insurance. It makes no sense in my mind to privatize this. So like you want to, again, you want to do private on top? Great. No problem. You want to do private security on top of the cops? Great. No problem.

But when you have it like this, you know, Pat, you and I run businesses. What do you wanna do? You wanna maximize profit, you wanna minimize costs, right? So you, so what's the revenue that you're getting in? Money from people. You charge, charge, charge, charge, charge for everything, charge for everything, right?

And what do you pay out? Healthcare. So you deny as much healthcare as possible so you can make a greater profit. So these guys made 20 billion dollars in profit the other day. I don't mind people making profits from jeans, burgers, etc. God bless, right? You're adding on top of the things that are guaranteed. I don't mind that at all. But when you're denying 32%, almost a third of the people through 18 different tricks, endless tricks, and then all these folks die because they don't have health insurance, they're going to get mad.

And I'm not saying this to encourage vigilante violence. I'm saying this as a warning, like the vigilante violence is going to break out whether we agree or disagree, whether we condemn it or not. And I'll give you other examples like on crime. I'm like, guys, if you don't do something about crime in LA, people are going to start taking it into their own hands. And they did. And then we started seeing vigilante justice against criminals, and then unfortunately

against homeless people, etc. Because when you bottle things up, people go enough of this shit, and you get vigilante justice. By the way, and that's what Joker 1 was really all about, which is why I walked that 42 minutes into the movie. I said, this is not a good movie, this is a dividing movie, but there's a part of it that is true and it happens. In regards to, you said a lot of different things, in regards to private healthcare versus public,

the government offers it, all that stuff. And I just don't think anything public does better than private. I just don't think they do. That's my only argument to that. And I do say regularly, what's the business model of hospitals? The more beds filled, the more money they make. They need more sick people, right? Okay, what's the business model of military, you know, companies that sell weapons? They need

more wars. What's the business model? We're on the same page there. Hotels, they need beds filled, airplanes, they need seats filled. That's the shooter's picture right there. That's the shooter, who the person is. By the way, there's a story going out. This may or may not be true. In February of this year, UnitedHealth had a cyber breach in February, if I'm not mistaken. I think a day before or a day of, you guys can go do your own due diligence. This article is spreading all over the place as well.

I don't know if it's factual or not. The Pelosi's, you know they're famous for making investments into certain things. Sidekicks. On the same day, Pelosi made her second purchase of call options of Palo Alto Network Cybersecurity Company that was later chosen to investigate the breach. So the United Healthcare CEO was killed by a mass gunman

and it shows the investment. You know how they always track the Nancy Pelosi tracker and there's an account on Twitter that's going on again Go do the research of this on your own if you can go on the timeline Rob of what happened The one on New York Post it does a great job explaining the timeline of events that took place If you go a little bit lower lower lower lower Go a little lower a, lower, lower, lower, go a little lower, a little lower, right there. So at 6.44 a.m., the victim is walking along towards the New York Hilton midtown after

visiting his hotel across the street. The shooter, who was lying in wait alongside the building, fires at him. Then the shooter then runs to an alleyway between 54th and 55th Street. Once the west 55th Street, the shooter continues to walk on the sixth avenue where he gets onto electrical city bike. Then shooter rides north on sixth avenue towards Central Park. At 648 a.m., the shooter rides the bike into Center Drive.

Okay, and since then, there's been nothing with them. Nothing, and mind you, the eyewitnesses were there were there was a bunch of them on the news. They're like this guy waited for him outside for hours overnight waiting and waiting like he he wanted to hit that guy like it was meant for him. I mean, it's pretty much for sure. For sure. How do they not find this guy in New York City with the most cameras operated city in the world potentially. How they not find this?

I mean, now I mean, I mean, they got the photos of him because apparently with the Starbucks because I mean, you can't pass up, you know, peppermint mocha. It's the holidays. That's where he's on the e-bike. So he's going green. But the thing about it, he can't be in a car. There's no bike. You're going to have a critical 100.

Exactly. But there's no getaway. You can't take an Uber in Manhattan. You got to get on a bike. I mean, he planned it and then on the bike. But then like you said Adam, that face, his face is out there. In two days, three days, you're going to find out who this guy is and what happened with him in the insurance side of it. But then going back to you, Cheng, if you think about it, this guy, if he was insider trading and he's lying to the people and he's denying 37% of the claims and people are dying because of it, would you think that he belongs in jail? If he's guilty for insider training and ruining people's lives and 75,000 people...

So two different things. If he's doing insider trading, that's illegal and crime should go to prison, right? On the denying, no. As much as I loathe it, I loathe it. We have to change the system. Putting him in jail doesn't make any sense, right? So, and by the way, killing him doesn't make any sense. Doesn't change the system, right? So you've got to change the fundamental structure here because otherwise they're going to make a profit off of our deaths for the rest of time.

Like literally no other developed nation allows this. So this is madness. And so let's change the way things are done rather than just hitting one guy or putting somebody in jail. But there's a million things that, look here, I'll give you an example. I don't know if you guys will like it,

but Rick Scott, now Senator from Florida, okay. Former governor. Former governor, committed the largest Medicare fraud in American history. His company did, he was the CEO of it. The company says yes We're guilty. Okay, and they pay a fine Oh, my guess is it was a percentage of the profits that they made from that scam, right now guys

You should be super pissed about that. They robbed us that Medicare is us our taxpayer money, right? And they said okay the company is guilty, but the guy who made all the decisions the CEO not guilty But wait, what the fuck is this? I mean you can't send a company to guilty, but the guy who made all the decisions, the CEO, not guilty. But wait, what the fuck is this? I mean, you can't send a company to jail, right? But in that case, it was actually illegal. They stole over a billion dollars and nobody goes to jail. No, the next time a company is guilty, some human being is guilty. Don't tell me and Democrats and Republicans do this. Corporations are guilty. they'll pay 20% of their profits that they did from that scam, but nobody goes to jail. No, F that. You break the law and the company is

guilty, whoever did it, you're going to jail. And that's going to, I agree 100% and that's the point I was trying to make, going back right back to Fauci. That type of attitude, that type of policies and shit and people are dying and you're lying I want and it's not just a blanket I want people to go to prison no Chang certain people have to pay the price and you know we go hours on health care and debate all this but there's it's very interesting to me that there's actually a war going on health care that they're against each other the insurance companies are on one side and the farmers on the other did you know that there is actually restrictive statutes

that prevent the federal government from negotiating the prices of Medicare drugs? And actually under Biden, it was bipartisan that they finally, you're nodding, you know what I'm talking about. They finally got it through. And I think the first list of drugs was a hysterical total of ten

I think it was ten they started with one, but they said don't worry through the next two three years We'll get all the way up to ten They can actually negotiate prices on ten Well guess who's forced to pay the prices on those the insurance companies the insurance companies are no sweethearts, right? You you go look at this But there's an example that even inside this terribly broken health care system where we our life expectancy has gone down We spend more than any country in the world on health care And we don't have the statistical outcome that you think oh you guys must be the healthiest and living longest no We're not it and said and it's just ironic that there's this war going on between

Pharma and insurance company inside that entire broken health care system Which has more lobbyists than than the Department of Defense. So I love what time is saying. Let me just build off that couple of quick points so first of all on Medicare negotiating drug prices, we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices. That's not a thing that any other country does. That's insanity. That is corporatism run amok. That's corruption run amok. Because what part of the free market says, no, you're not allowed to negotiate prices. You must accept a price that a company tells you. That's insane. I've never heard of that in my life. That's a free market killer. It's totally against capitalism, right? And, and, and Bush is the one who put it in place. Then Obama ran ads. It was called Billy. It was one of

his most successful ads saying, can you believe this? They won't even let us negotiate drug prices. We just have to pay whatever ransom the drug companies want. Right. And then Obama got in. So we're not negotiating drug prices. Okay, let's be honest, Trump said he was going to do it. He got in, he didn't negotiate drug prices. Biden got in, not negotiating drug prices. Why? Because Big Pharma is the number one donor group in the whole country. Like I complain about AIPAC all the time and how much money they put in and control the

politicians, etc. AIPAC's got nothing on Big Pharma. Big Pharma is gigantic, fricking gantic. And to your point, Tom, about how much of our life expectancy they take from us, this combined industry that has become totally captured the government and then used it against the American people, those countries that all other developed nations

that have universal healthcare, they live on average. They cost twice as much for us. We pay twice as much that's insanity And we live on average four years shorter than them. So they're taking four years of all of our lives on average Okay, we got to change that system. All right, let's go to the last story and then we'll wrap up This is a story where I think was two weeks ago And I said the next thing that's going to be happening with mainstream media and the enemy and the establishment is finding ways to pin Trump against Musk. Pining themselves against each other because I think the enemy the state as of November 5th it was Trump as of November 6th it is Musk and they have to find a way to go after Musk in every

possible way and here's another one that you're seeing here. Vivek Ramaswamy once trashed Elon Musk as a puppet for China. Rob, is there a clip here or is it a story? Yep. If you want to play this clip, go for it. But I'm going to break a cardinal rule, an unspoken rule in the Republican Party these days and in the conservative movement by saying that, you know, if somebody's an actual hero and they're doing a certain thing, you can't criticize them when they do something wrong. That's Elon Musk. Apparently, according to the Chinese government, as of yesterday's reports, kowtowing to the Chinese Communist Party,

presumably as a basis for gaining favorable market treatment there. Their foreign minister, China's foreign minister, yesterday reported publicly on a meeting that Elon had with Chinese officials in which he said that he doesn't support a decoupling from China, but instead called the US and communist China conjoined twins using his words, according to the Chinese officials. Now, maybe Elon doubted that characterization of the meeting, but turns out that Tesla's vice president in China posted the CCP's statement on Weibo, a Chinese social network in China, though they perhaps quite cleverly didn't post that here in the United States. I don't think it would have gone as well over here.

Now we know that there's news reporting on what happened in that meeting. It's part of a continued and I think concerning pattern of a number of American CEOs. But even let's just stick to Elon in the case of Tesla. Last October, inexplicably out of nowhere, no one's asking the CEO of an electric car maker to offer his opinion on this necessarily, or are they, saying that Taiwan should reunify with China. Said that last October, literally days later actually gets a nice little attaboy pat on the back from the CCP when they give special tax benefits in Shanghai, only to follow up next year of building a new factory for Tesla in Shanghai as well. Now the conservatives in the US, what do they see? There's a conservatives love hero worship in the as well. Now the conservatives in the US, what do they see?

There's a conservatives love hero worship in the United States. They're worshiping their latest hero. I respect, by the way, a lot of what Elon Musk has done. I've been one of his biggest champions and proponents for what he's doing for the cause of free speech via trying to transform Twitter. But I think we can't fall into Messiah complexes and have to see with clear eyes that it's the job of the U.S. to protect and the U.S. government to protect Americans from a national security and geopolitical perspective. And that means making sure that we don't allow our own companies to be turned, by the way, subsidized companies at that. Think about the

number of subsidies that American subsidies that flow to a company like Tesla or another electric car company to be turned into pawns for the CCP, how do they turn them into pawns? Because their private shareholders and their owners get to benefit from entering the Chinese market. So you can pause it. So, I mean, obviously you're seeing Tom, when you see this year, how do you process it? Well, you know, it's really interesting. There's a couple angles that you see. The first is, You know, it's really interesting. There's a couple angles that you see. The first is, okay, what does a person really believe at the time they say it? And does their opinion change over time with more information?

You know, it's like we just watched a year of, you know, candidates go on stage and rip each other to shreds and try to find everything they can on oppo research on people that are supposedly wearing the same jersey. And then two of them decide, okay, you're gonna be my VP, so all is forgiven, let's go together as unified and go. And so two things can be true at the same time. That Vivek really believed that based on what he saw, that wow, is Twitter actually getting benefits from China

and sitting in meetings and they want those benefits to build a factory in Shanghai and things like that, so they're going along with certain things. That could be very true. It also could be very true that he respects Elon Musk and once he starts working closely with him, that he gets answers on things perhaps. Or when he works closely with him,

he just decides to hand wave over what he said previously. I'd love to inspect Vivek and have him sit down and explain it. Tell us about your journey from where you went with appeared to be a very clear-eyed criticism with facts of a person you're now working with and take us from then to now and let the vec explain it Yeah, and you know what I get from what he's saying here. We've all be vague is saying is

America first before china and profits. That's how I process this. It's very simple for me I see him saying that but at the same time You're going to see more of these things coming from the past But at the same time you're gonna see more of these things coming from the past and the same way where all the old clips Of JD Vance were resurfacing about you know what JD said about Trump and all that stuff that's gonna resurface It's gonna be very weird and interesting to see how they try to pin these guys together and how they how they stay united Cenk your thoughts on this Yeah, so look on the one hand mainstream media digs up stuff for either character assassinations or get people to fight, etc. On the other hand, I get it. It's a, you know, they're going to work together. And it turns out he'd said these bad things about him. It's newsworthy, right? So my take on it is a

little bit different. So first of all, one thing I'll give Trump credit on is he's pretty good at letting bygones be bygones, right? You know, his vice president called him Hitler and he let it go and he picked him as vice president, right? So he let it go with Bobby Kennedy and so now he's probably gonna make these and I'm sure that these guys are already past it, et cetera. And yeah, and by the way, maybe we shouldn't cancel people forever. Maybe sometimes you thought this and now you think that.

And sometimes it's genuine, sometimes it's bullshit, I get it, right? But sometimes guys it is genuine right and and even so look it well let me make the the the counterpoint right so I get it he probably and oh the other thing I wanted to say is that maybe they agree in part like it's like do Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have to agree and I every single thing no right like for example with Elon and me, so this is the second thing So on apparently we may or may not agree on the Pentagon whether it's cutting it or making sure the generals don't have a conflict Of interest great wonderful. Let's take the agreement, but that doesn't mean I'm letting my guard down. Look keeping it real guys

He was Trump's largest donor I and now it looks like we didn't quite see how much he'd given before now It looks like it's all about a quarter of a billion dollars. That is a lot of money. He has $15 billion in contracts with the government between Tesla and SpaceX. He's got business deals with China. And the thing about Trump is that, man, I think he's accidentally honest, but he'll say to people, like, I was against electric vehicles. Then Elon came in with a strong endorsement and now I'm for electric vehicles, right? TikTok, that's another thing related to China.

So Trump tried to ban it when he was in office. Then Jeff, he asked 15% owner of TikTok comes in, gives him a couple million dollars. He's like, now I like TikTok. I'm not, I don't want to ban it anymore. So guys, be careful, be careful that there's donors on all sides. Okay? So keep an eye out, hey is it an American interest or that particular person's interest? Whether it's Biden or Trump, whether it's Elon or Fauci, whose interest is it in, right? So

and it doesn't mean you don't trust the person at all, it just means, hey put the cards on the table, let's see what we got. So I kind of agree with Vivek. I do massively disagree with Vivek on many other things, but I kind of agree with that old tape of him about China and Elon. So it's not to say that anybody's evil, right? It just says the brother does business with China. So let's keep an eye out. Right. And by the way, I'm glad and it doesn't mean that I hate their positions. I'm glad Trump switched on electric vehicles, and I'm glad he trades switched on tik-tok Who's banning tik-toks nuts? It's nuts. We should not ban tik-tok That is where a lot of people get their information The reason they wanted to ban tik-tok is because they didn't like what people were saying on tik-tok not because of the China stuff They saw that's too left-wing. It's two outsiders is too populous It's too many actual human beings and it's not a controlled message.

That's why Jen Psaki said the other day and I went nuts over it. She's like, Oh, there's social media. There's too much disinformation. We should consider laws against it. I remember breaking news for you, according to wall street journal appeals court upholds the U S ban of tick tock. That just came across the ticker right now. Panel rules.

Congress has the power to shut down the Chinese backed app in the U S because holds the US ban of TikTok that just came across the ticker right now. Panel rules Congress has the power to shut down the Chinese backed app in the US because of national security. My ass is national security. It's their security. It's the security that established. You're going to have to take up your case with the Supreme Court then Jake. Yeah. So that's but look I think this is but but but that's the Supreme Court saying they're allowed to do it. That doesn't mean Congress should. yeah, we're gonna see what happens with that But I actually think this is a non-issue of you know What's the whole thing from Reagan that we I say all the time?

Someone that you agree with 80% of the time is a friend and ally not a 20% enemy These guys are aligned on so much stuff the fact that he's questioning him with what he's doing in China by the way stuff. The fact that he's questioning him with what he's doing in China. By the way, Tesla, I think China is their second largest market. 25% of their sales come from China. Okay, cool. But Tom made a great point in election season, in primary season, Trump in 2016, little Marco, you know, all right, you're the new secretary of state. Congratulations, Mike Huckabee. Nobody knows you are ambassador to Israel, Rick Perry, the list goes on and on Ben Carson. So all these people are basically part of his administration in 2016. We're going to see what happens then, but this is such a non-issue. And back to Pat's point. Yeah, they're, we're going to see more of

this, but you know who this falls on. It falls on Trump. It falls on, on Vivek. It falls on Elon being big boys and understanding look It's gonna be they're gonna try to divide and conquer and we just need to stay aligned We got two trillion bucks to cut ASAP. So we'll see if they do it. Yeah, I mean listen knowing them When McCarthy was here and we were sitting down talking afterwards at the 1200 I'll never forget what he said. We talked about a bunch of different names He said those guys that you think are gonna run

for president in 2028, they will not. He says, they will not. We talked about what the names were. I said, why not? He says, because they're not battle tested. I said, what do you mean battle tested? He says, look, Trump's battle tested. Okay, these guys are battle tested.

Musk is battle tested. Musk has been in the public eye of being made fun of and whatever for God knows how long now, two decades. And he has increased his ability of learning how to troll in ways where he's probably the top three best trollers in the world. Trump being number one, he's in the top three of best trollers in America.

At least he's one of the best trollers. 50 cents, top five. 50 cents is probably top 50. But Trump is one, Musk is top three. Is is top five top 50. Okay, but but Trump is one musk is top three 50 50 trolls Jake Paul is there. I mean, there's a lot of different people and when you think about some of these guys, but anyways Gang reminded before we wrap up. Oh, and I'm just preparing for everybody here on what's going on Everybody is on the mindset of future looks bright and we've been saying this for a few years

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