PBD Podcast - “Designed To Hurt Trump” - Jordan Goudreau & Operation Gideon: The Plot To Take Out Maduro | PBD Podcast | Ep. 677

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

Patrick Bet-David sits down with former Green Beret Jordan Goudreau, the man behind the failed Operation Gideon, to discuss his alleged mission to remove Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro. Goudreau reveals details on his recruitment, CIA involvement, Trump-era politics, and the civil war within the U.S. government he claims set him up.-----👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6lⓂ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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19 plus Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Concerned by your gambling or that if someone close, you call 1866-3-3-1-2-60 or visit comixonterio.ca. The bottom line is there was a civil war going on in the White House. What he thinks really the motive behind closed doors? Venezuela is to the United States what Ukraine is to Russia. Let's cut through all the narrative. He's trying to secure it for a possible escalation of war with Russia China. Even if you look at the way he's handling it right now, it's very public.

They're flying over Venezuela. They're blowing up boats just to say, here's what we're doing. But I was recruited to do this, to facilitate the capture of Nicholas Maduro. If you're doing this, you're essentially doing a. business deal with CIA. You know the track record what it is and you know you're playing with fire. The highest office asked you to do something. You do it. Just like when my commanders tell me to I do it. Where would the payment come from? From whom? It would sold to me that the United States. The contract that he signed is public with you. It's public.

$212.2 million over the course of the term. What's the closest you ever got to Maduro? I was getting reports on the type of soap that he used. That's how close I was, Patrick. As close as you got, did you ever have a chance where if you wanted to take him on? you could. I want to preface a few things before you watch this interview because it's going to be weird. You're going to see a man in a parking lot outside of a homeless shelter who's about to go to court, wearing a nice suit that could be facing jail time because of the leader he was on Operation Gideon that was supposed to go and take out Maduro and take out.

When I asked him, take out, does it mean you got to kill him? He says, no, I'm not a mercenary. I'm not this, although a lot of people say he's a mercenary. I told him if he's got a PMC private military contractor, which a lot of places claim that his company that Iran was a private military contractor. He says, no, I'm not. But he, you know, he allegedly was supposed to go out. He puts a group together of 60 guys, eight of which that get killed by Maduro.

A couple of the guys end up doing time. They were supposed to do 20 years, end up doing three years in prison in Venezuela. And there was a lot of weird questions, you know, back and forth of things that happened. The names he dropped, the involvement of Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence knew about this. The CIA knew about this. You know, multiple handlers that came up, multiple meetings. He's got a contract that was signed by Juan Guaido and others where he's sitting there in a room with the former president of Colombia and the former president allegedly for a minute of Venezuela.

And they agreed to pay him $212.9 million? in multiple payments of finding a way to eliminate Maduro and eliminate to him didn't mean to kill him. Like I said, very, very weird interview. They approached us. We thought about it. We agreed to do it because I believe everybody's innocent until proving guilty.

And if the court thinks he's guilty, then he's guilty. But at least let's hear him out. It is a very, very, it's such an entertaining, interesting story that a documentary even just came out about him a month ago. I think the executive producers, Adam McKay, that did the documentary. So, having said that, I want you to know this before you watch the interview with Jordan Goodrow. Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm supposed to take sweet victory.

I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. The handshake is better than anything I ever size. Right here. You are a one of one? My son's right there. I think I've ever said this before.

All right. So we got a special show for you here today with Jordan Goodrow. If we can see Jordan Goodroes video, Jordan is, Jordan, if you don't mind before we even get started on why you're outside in the video doing this interview, you haven't been the person that did operation. Let me just kind of tell the audience so we know Operation Gideon, which in October of 2019, Venezuelan opposition reached out to you, Juan Guaido at that time, Guaido at that time, with an offer of $212 million, $213 million for Silver Corp, which was, I believe, a PMC private military contractor,

to go out there and help them provide services in doing so to eliminate Maduro, which at the time, even, you know, the U.S. had recognized Guaido as a new president of Venezuela. All this stuff was taking place. And then you had to put a team together to go out there and do this. And then eventually we all saw this on TV. Multiple people caught. The Venezuelan government announced that they had killed quite a few of them that tried to go there on, I believe, a couple different boats. But today now, we were supposed to do this live.

Jordan, first of all, welcome to the podcast. But can you share with the audience why you're doing the podcast from a parking lot? Thanks, Patrick. Yeah, no. I think the, I mean, people talk about lawfare all the time. I think this is the epitome of law fair. I have been relegated to a homeless shelter, a VA homeless shelter. When I was in a hearing yesterday, the judge looked over to my attorney and Marcell Descalzo, who's incredible, by the way, and asked why Mr. Goodro, why can't he just stay in an apartment, why I have to stay at this homeless shelter, which I've been here fighting to stay here for the last, I don't know, five months. And my attorney turned to the prosecution and said, because they won't let him. They won't let him stay in just an apartment like a regular individual. The prosecution lost the very first bond hearing. The lawyer who was in charge at the time, she had joked about putting, you know,

Jeremy Brown and bragging about how she got Jeremy Brown in jail and another Green Beret. And they laughed about how I would be their third Green Beret that they would put in jail. The lawyer, the very first prosecutor, he actually stabbed the guy in Tampa. His name was Patrick Scruggs. You can pull the video up. It's absolutely insane. And then after that, four prosecutors wouldn't touch this case for four years until a Williams and Connolly prosecutor under one of the Clinton prosecutors who happened just to be in

Middle District of Florida decided to take the case right before the run up to the U.S. election. How convenient. I am essentially a Trojan horse for the Trump administration. And I think, listen, let me go, let me roll back to the intro and like what you said about Operation Gideon, which was never Operation Gideon. It was always Operation Edgemont. But what I'll say about it is that's a beautiful CIA narrative. That's a beautiful CIA narrative.

The CIA spun a tremendous narrative with the help of the AAP with the help of Rolling Stone magazine, Vice, this documentary movie that came out. if you if you if you look at if you if you read all of that all those articles and from back then i think yeah and the wikipedia page yeah i think that would be uh that's a pretty tremendous narrative the truth however is encapsulated in all the documents that are in the discovery which me and my my uh my legal team have been pouring over for the last oh i don't know over a year now Interestingly enough, there's a, there's a journalist named Ryan Morgan who works at the Epoch Times, and he wrote an article about nine months ago that, or sorry about, it was probably about, you know, nine months ago now, that they won't publish because it's too damaging to, I guess, institutions in the United States. But the discovery speaks for itself, Patrick.

And let me just, let me just thank you for having me on. Thank you for the courage to have me on. Yeah, Jordan, if you don't mind, just do me your favor. If you don't mind, just take it from the top. Assume the audience has no clue what we're talking about. I have all your stuff that you've sent. I've read all the timeline. I've read all the names being involved.

I got everything with Pompeo, with Pence, with Wang Guido, with everybody that I've read everything you've sent over. Anything I can get my hands on, I've read. But take a moment and tell the audience who you are, what you did, and how you got into the situation that you're in right now. Right. So I'm not a mercenary, right? Everybody wants to say I'm a mercenary.

I'm a strategist. So let me give you the 30 second brief on my career. I was a, I've been a soldier since I was 17, started in a Canadian army, came to the American Army, went through several selections until I got to, you know, I was in the criff, I was in J-Soc units, the highest level. Half of my training is intelligence, however, so human intelligence.

And while I was doing all this, I'm so insane and such a crazy mercenary that I was able to build three, you know, fairly profitable real estate companies, one in Germany and two here in the United States. I did all these things because I was capable. I'm a capable person. I work hard, and I have a very strong work ethic. But fast forwarding to when I leave the military, I get out and I start my company because at that time, there's a lot of school shootings. I want to mitigate school shootings. It's a national problem still is. And so I opened up a – it's more of a strategy company.

I'm not a PMC. I don't take contracts like Eric Prince. I solve intricate problems. And I did this when I left the military. For instance, you know, I had a team in Hurricane Marine. I bought – Maria hit Puerto Rico at half the airport. island. And we protected essentially the AT&T personnel who are trying to reestablish communication through the island. And so I use negotiation skills with local cartels and gangs to just

basically have them not attack my people and reestablish these communication networks. Fast forward a little bit. I get recruited by the Trump administration under Key Schiller, who's a good friend of Donald Trump, as you know, and worked in the White House's head of White House operations. Now, here's the macro of it. This is the pond that the Trump administration was swimming in at the time. The Trump administration was in battle, as we're seeing now with all the documents with, you know,

Christopher Ray and the FBI who's bugging congressmen like, or centers like Holly and so on and so forth. I think there were eight. That Russia collusion hoax was on, this was on the heels of the Russia collusion hoax. as well as the Mueller report, which the FBI agent who built my case, she was part of the Mueller report investigation. So all of this is connected. But the bottom line is there was a civil war going on in the White House. You had National Security Council, Mike Pompeo,

Abrams, Gina Haspel, who were undermining the commander chief's intent, President Trump's intent. And we see this today. It's still playing out. But back then, this The CIA would do just enough to not, I guess, come under the ire of the president, especially in Venezuela. So we see this, and I think the most definitive piece of evidence is when Mike Pompeo closes the embassy in Caracas. As you know, the CIA can't operate and can't do advanced intelligence operations without an embassy, without embassy support. And so when this embassy is closed, it greatly restricts the CIA's ability. to do anything in Venezuela.

This is by design, right? And so I am approached by the administration to facilitate the removal of Nicholas Maduro and the facilitation of fair and free elections. I do my due diligence. I go down to see if it's okay. And might I just add, I mean, when you're recruited by the highest, you know, the highest office in the land, it's not like you're going to say no, right? And so, yeah, of course I'm going to do this. They did at some point want me to meet, and I want to make this very clear.

They made, they wanted me to meet with the president of the United States. And I refused. And it was kind of strange to me that they would want me to meet the president because one of these guys was a very astute human intelligence operative. He was part of Task Force Orange, which is the Army's advanced as a special mission unit. He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he knew what he was doing. The other individual was a green beret also, and he should have known better. They asked me to meet with the president. I needed to deny the president's deniability, and that's exactly what I did. So I denied their, you know, request to meet with the president, and, you know, I don't meet with generals when I do operations. I just do the operation.

And I believe the people that are at that echelon. I, of course, did my due diligence with key shiller i did my due diligence with other other individuals that i was dealing with and who are making representations to me um and as a product of that i decided okay i have the i have the they had given me they had relayed the full authorization who is they that wanted you to meet trump what give me specific name of they that wanted you to meet trump so this was drew horn and jason beardsley okay so drew horn obviously back that time was very connected we didn't know how connected he was until until we started reading his emails from the discovery, same as, you know, obviously Jason Beardsley, he's a TFO operative, but these guys were both Green Berets.

I had no reason to think that a fellow Green Beret would, you know, would burn me. And so I believed what they were saying. I believed Key Schiller when I was given these representations. And so I went forward. I also did my due diligence with the recognized Venezuelan opposition under Juan Guido. I had a signed contract with Juan Guaido, which let me just put it this way. I was in the room with two presidents for this. How does a crazy lunatic mercenary get in the room with presidents, diplomats, strategists,

geopolitical strategists, and other members who are working in the U.S. government and the Venezuelan opposition government and the Colombian governments. How does that happen? This is the president of Venezuela at the time. and you're saying the president of Columbia is who you're talking about who is now I believe a DJ somewhere in South Florida

at the time yes at the time it was Yvonne Duque there's actually a really funny video where he lies on air I went on W radio which is a prolific radio station all throughout South America and I went on W radio and I said yeah no he met

I can't remember the specifics but we you know I had him on the cell a cell phone all with another one of the Venezuelan opposition, and we discussed terms. And so I have the go ahead from the U.S., the Colombian government, and the Venezuelan opposition government under Juan Guido. So we were clear to do this. Is this the meeting where they agreed to $212 million, and then they ended up saying they're

going to give $1.5 million up from, but they only gave $50,000? Is this that meeting? And are those numbers accurate? $12.9 million, $1.5 million, $50,000 for expenses at the beginning stages. So the expenses at the beginning stages, they didn't care about. That is what Rendon said, but that was, I mean, really, it was a down payment on the $1.5 million. It was a down payment on the $1.5. Then where does the figure $212.9 million come from?

This figure is essentially, it's arbitrary. it is essentially just trying to find backing for the later stages of this operation. The first stage of the operation is really supposed to be a link up. It is essentially, so the way, what I did, like the work that I did for a year and a half prepping this entire thing was I aggregated assets in Venezuela that were very close to Nicholas Maduro who had task and maneuver units. That is to say that they were able to mobilize. military units inside of Caracas to facilitate the capture of Nicholas Maduro, right?

There was no invasion. There was no, you know, special operation, crazy invasion thing. It was this entire operation was designed to be a military coup, where Venezuela, essentially, and it's not really a coup, you're just, you're taking a recognized dictator in Nicholas Maduro and the military, the Venezuela military, are actioning. I'm just providing a bit of a catalyst and some strategy. Now, was this money, the 212 that's thrown around? Is that upon completion and succeeding, you're going to get that money,

assuming one would be in and he would have the access to that type of money to be able to pay you? Is that what the, when would that payment be prompted? So this was another meeting that I had with, you know, people in the White House. And it was made very clear to me that the money would flow once the first part was done. And the first part was quite simple. My plan called for three parts, right? The first piece was just to catalyze and to have the U.S. or sorry, the Venezuelan, these Venezuelan generals do the heavy lifting. To catalyze that, I needed to have a face-to-face with these guys to know that I was on the level, which this is not a playbook that I came up with. This is the playbook for

a successful regime change, I guess we want to call it, or whatever, like trying to oust dictators. And so I follow a very simple, you know, followed a pretty strict set of rules when I did this. Ultimately, what would happen is Maduro would have either, you know, he would fled the country or been replaced, but really it was three individuals. Tarik, It was Cabello, and it was Maduro back then. So really, the first part of the operation is to catalyze that change, have the Venezuelan military come in and remove the bad leadership. And then what ends up happening next is you have a counter coup.

And this counter coup is where the money needs to start flowing. You know, Drew Horn recognized this. He essentially, you know, yes, the money will flow once this first part's done great. I wasn't worried about the money after the fact. Once the counter coup is complete, the counter coup basically is when you have other warring factions, which is largely opposition factions or whoever else is going to be trying to take control once there's a power vacuum, I have enough money that I can align, I can basically align with the Venezuelan military and have some of my Americans come hit the ground and be able to provide mentorship and leadership to some of these, you know, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, the valid Venezuela military. The third stage is really just reconstruction and humanitarian, right, and keying up for fair and free elections in Venezuela.

This was the overall plan. This was never talked about the news because, well. Got it. So who was going to be paying you, the 212? Where would the payment come from? From whom? It would sold to me that the United States, this would come from the U.S.

Once this is done, the money will flow. This is what was represented to me several times by the individuals I was dealing with at the White House. This is the Drew Horn. These are the two names that you mentioned earlier, Drew Horn and Jason Beardsley that promised that the money would come to you. And you believe them, that these guys, I should believe them, that the money is going to come from the White House. Yeah, well, it was Drewhorn, right? So Beardsley wasn't part of those conversations. He was part of other conversations.

but not the money conversation. Don't you think if you're negotiating something that big and Drew Horn is not a decision maker. So, and Drew Horn was an A to Pence, if I'm not mistaken, right? So if he's an A to Pence, you know, one may question, why would you just based on a meeting with an AID automatically believe that this is a real thing? Well, several things. There's a confluence of factors, right?

So you have Keith Schiller telling me the exact same thing. You have full authorization from the White House. I have Drew Horn telling me you a full authorization from the White House. I have a contract with Juan Guido, which he's not doing anything without White House approval. I have, you know, I have a White House meeting between Key Schiller and two other individuals, immediately following my meeting with Juan Guido to sign the contract. track. And so everything, and furthermore, I don't, when I'm, when I'm given a mission in the military, I don't, look, there's no generals that come and tell us, like, I don't go and talk to

the general and say, hey, are you sure that this is authorized? Maybe, I think you need to sign, you need to sign your life for, no, it doesn't work that way, right? And there's no, and what's more is this, the president's, and I don't care who the president is. I don't care if it's a Democrat president. I don't care if it's a Republican president. I don't care. The, president, he's a president in the United States and he requires deniability, period. Yeah, so

Drew and Jason are telling you that this is what we got approved, that if you do this, we're going to pay this, and you take on that and you believe in and you move on with the mission trusting those two guys. Right.

With several meetings. We met several times in Washington, D.C. It's a bona fide member of the U.S. governments who has contacts in national security counsel. He, you know, he's, he's Trump's son's good friend. Furthermore, I mean, look, this, it wasn't just one meeting. It was several meetings over the course of several months. Furthermore, and Donald Trump, I met with Donald Trump's, you know, the legal team of the president, George Soriel, Travis Lucas, who were telling me the exact same thing. No, you are good to go. A lawyer, Travis Lucas read the contract, said, yeah, you're good to go.

Okay, so who is the highest ranking person you met with that there is documentation and exchange of them wanting you to do this? Several. I have, well, it's Keith Schiller, Drew Horn, Jason Beardsley, you know, Juan Guido, that's a contract. I have several. So, Juan Guido, you have a contract, signed pictures together with him and the President of Columbia. You have all that documented. Right. And is that in, if I go right now, is it public, if I go and look up pictures right now of you and One Guy Do? can I find it? That contract's public. The contract that he signed is public with you.

It's public. Okay. All right. So when you're doing that and you're going through it at that time, you know, word comes out. But let me just stay on this real quick. What was the expectation? Was the expectation for you to do what? Was it to eliminate Maduro?

What was the expectation yet? Is that the contract with the signatures, Rob? No, there's no elimination. It's essentially just, it's a legal action. It's just to arrest the sitting presidents, which is Nicholas Maduro, and put in, you know, the rightful presidents, Juan Guido, or, you know, just changed leadership. Yeah, I see the contract right here.

The Guido administration, Silver Corp, agreement. Rob, if you want to zoom in a little bit, so I can see that and read what it says. Can you zoom in on that thing? Therefore, in consideration of matters described above, and the mutual benefits and obligations set forth agreement, the received on the witness, Is these signatures are who?

We have Jordan's one of them. Juan Bendin is another one. Manuel, I can't read it. Retuerta or something like that? And then we have Sergio Vigara. Right. Who are they? So Sergio Vergara is one of the strategists for Juan Guido.

The Juan Guido signature is on the first, on the general services on the first, I think it's a 12 page. that's that's the longer contract that's 48 pages or so okay got it so so then this happens you guys agree you go what happens next because i see somewhere where it says it was supposed to be 300 to 800 men ends up becoming 60 with two boats walk me through how to mission got started who was involved you know why it ended up failing maybe maybe tell me what happened then yeah so this is CIA, so in the very first meeting where I was asked to do this by Key Schiller and members of global governments, which was the team that they were working under, Kees Schiller's no longer in the White House, although he was meeting the president frequently in the White House.

There was a Venezuelan opposition strategist who was a CIA asset. This CIA asset, there were several CIA assets. This CIA asset was meeting and basically, you know, there was a secret. recording with this individual and one of his compadres that I had one of my men take that essentially these individuals were, you know, bashing Trump and saying they don't trust President Trump and they only trust the CIA under Juan Cruz, so on and so forth. And so these gentlemen, and I didn't know them at the time, and I didn't understand that until that recording, you know, several months later, but these individuals were, I don't know what it was. It seemed like

kind of a trap. They wanted to liberate their country, but they really just wanted them. money from it. And so it was, you know, it was kind of a tricky, I guess it's just a tricky obstacle course to navigate. These individuals ultimately started working with the Colombian intelligence service and the CIA outright. Fast forward to when my men were in the camps, they basically had the, you know, the GPS coordinates for where my men were. So when the operation launches, the regime doesn't have to do all that much, right? So Venezuela in opposition gives the coordinates to the regime, and the regime does what they do. So the heavy lifting in the, like to come against, you know, this operation was done by the CIA,

Colombian intelligence, Venezuelan opposition. Okay. So, oh, right, was that it with the agreements being said? In terms of agreement right there, open it up a little bit, if you can. zoom in a little bit in terms of agreement Jordan I don't know if you can see this or not he's just zooming into the agreement

on what it says which is $212.9 million over the course of the term the amount of money needed to fulfill the first part of service provider $50 million all the money will be backed secured with Venezuela and barrels of oil

and all the monies in this agreement are in U.S. dollars. Administration agrees to pay so the money was going to come from Venezuela not the U.S. government. So funny thing about U.S. AID Patrick. And the funny thing about a lot of the CIA moneyed accounts that are kind of hanging out and several Fortune 500 companies under TSSC projects, in this instance, it was a Rendon

corporation in D.C. who was working with the Venezuelan opposition government to destabilize doing low-level sabotage operations and whatnot refineries and so on and so forth. So, yeah, perhaps on the surface it would have come from the Venezuelan government, but the truth those that would have come from the United States. Got it. Okay. So it comes from U.S. It comes from them. So in this sense, do you think the president knows anything of what's going on at this point? Or do you think none of it's rolling up to him? It's just purely a Pompeo, John Bolton. These are some of the guys that, you know, of course, we're not on the side of Trump. Do you think they're trying to manipulate this whole thing,

overselling it, underselling it. What do you think is really the motive behind closed doors? Prout. I think it's a trap. Period. You know, we've seen this. You saw it the J6s. You saw it with Russia collusion hoax. We saw Mueller report. You've seen it with the Christopher Ray stuff. And all the, all the actors were the same. And so why not? Why not use this as another attempt to attack the president, right? And so the president's intent is to, let's be honest. Let me be perfectly clear as a military strategist. Why do we need Venezuela? And yeah, it's not, we don't need the oil. We need to deny oil to China, Russia, in the event of another large scale war, i.e. World War 3. This is evidenced by the fact that China has developed, has been, you know, I think they're finished

now. They've been building a refinery capable of refining Venezuelan crude. As you know, it is higher sulfur content. We can refine it in the U.S. Now China can also. And so what we're seeing today is the president, and yeah, the narrative with the drug stuff, that's all fine and dandy. Venezuela is to the United States

what Ukraine is to Russia. Venezuela is strategic slash tactical white space for Russia, China to come over to this hemisphere, violate the Monroe Doctrine and use Venezuela's ports, use its air facilities to stage for possible strikes on the United States. Let's just call it what it is. Let's cut through all the narrative, right?

Same thing as Russia, Ukraine. Let's cut through all the narrative. Why did Russia invade Ukraine? They did it because they want to deny white space, tactical slash strategic white space to NATO, i.e., they don't want their neighboring country to have an influx of NATO war material slash weapons lab slash whatever. Why is President Trump wanting to secure NATO or wanting to secure Venezuela? He's trying to secure it for follow for for for at the national strategic for a possible

escalation of, of, of war with Russia China. So here's why if you ask me why the CIA and why Mike Pompeii, and why Mike Pompey and Gina Haspel and Christopher Ray and all these bad actors, why did they undermine the, you know, the President Trump who made a valid action? The valid action is, hey, let's do a bloodless change of leadership in Venezuela and let's adhere to the Monroe Doctrine versus what's happening now, which is let's invade. Four years ago was better. Four years ago, Venezuela's generals would have policed Venezuela.

They would have taken out the tyrannical Nicholas Maduro, and he would have been replaced in fair and free elections. Fast forward to today. We're looking at invasion, right? So how many U.S. lives is that going to cost? I don't know. Are there hypersonics in Venezuela? How many forces? How many Russia-China forces are there?

Can we establish air superiority? Like, the short answer is yes. That's beyond the scope of this discussion. But we're the United States. I'm pretty sure we're going to be able to, we have the most powerful military force on the planet. What I'm hearing you're saying is you, then what you're saying is you supported, if this was a Pompeo Pence plan to do a bloodless operation using you guys, which led to six to eight people getting killed, you know, a couple guys.

I think it's Aaron Berry and Luke Denman. Apparently they went to jail for what, 20 years in Venezuela? No, no, no, they're out. They're out. They went to jail for three years. And they were in Venezuela. They're in Venezuela. And so Maduro released them. Maduro released them. So this is the part where it gets tricky, where some people don't believe anything with this operation,

where all of this was an act to use as a sign of strength from Maduro to manipulate against one. because you have to realize, ever since then, Juan at one point was a rock star. If I'm not even mistaken, President Trump was given a speech and he had one stand up or if he had, you know, he had him in one of the, I don't know what it was, if it was a... Right, I remember that. So everybody was like, yeah, he was already recognized by other countries as the president of Venezuela. Yeah, that's one right there, Rob. You just pulled it up. Is that the one watched president?

Yep, at the state of the union. At the state of the union, right there if you want to play it. That's why my administration reversed the failing policies of the previous administration on Cuba. Keep going, keep going, keep going on to it. Right there, right, when you see the spike on it, keep going, keep going, keep going, that's when he probably stands up. The true and legitimate president of Venezuela, Juan Guaido, Mr. President, please take this message back to you. Okay, you can pause it right there. So that happens, and today, Juan is just a regular guy.

Right. He went from there to just being a regular, he'll walk in the airport. Nobody wants to talk to him anymore. He's no longer the hero that he was supposed to be. So some people are saying maybe this whole thing was a, you know, was a setup. Maybe this whole thing was a, a lot of people don't trust. If I ask 10 people, eight of them are going to say, there's something very fishy going on here, Jordan? That's what people say. It just doesn't sound right. Right. So here's

the right. The narrative, I agree. The narrative that has been spun is it's completely fishy and none of the discovery supports it. Let me do you one better. The president of the United States was embattled. We know this because of all the investigations that are going on right now. You know, I think Tulsi Gabbard just came out talking about how, oh, what was it? You know, the intelligence or FBI agents were, you know, bugging members of Congress or whatever it was. I am nobody. One guy in the large scheme of things is nobody.

These bad actors, why are they coming after me? Like, the judge even said it. Why are you going after this guy? It's been four and a half years at my arraignment. This was a year ago. nobody can understand why it was so imperative to get a guy like me didn't take me to trial and here's why because the implications for the president of the United States are you being used as a political weapon political weaponization this entire operation and they call it Operation Gideon it wasn't Operation Gideon

it was it was always Operation Edgemoe but I digressed this entire operation was designed to embarrass them And look at the fallout, right? The president was implicated in CNN and AP and all of these other publications. So back then, we had a U.S. aligned president in Brazil. We had a U.S. aligned president in Colombia. After this happened with Juan Guida in the fallout, now you have leftists in Brazil and in Colombia who are working with China and Russia. If you ask me why the CIA would want to destabilize the United States,

I don't, if you ask me why Mike Pompeo and Christopher Ray and Gina Haspel would want to not adhere to the, you know, the Monroe Doctrine, you'd have to ask them that. But they did it. I think maybe attacking Trump was higher on their priority list. Maybe they thought in the aftermath that, I don't know, maybe they could figure it out with, you know, South America. I'm not too sure about the strategy because it was terrible. Yeah, but I mean, don't you think that the leftist, like when AP came out and AP said after investigation found no evidence that the U.S. approved the invasion of U.S. officials and U.S. officials have denied having any role in it. So this is AP. AP is dying to find something to destroy Trump.

They're not. The AP is dying to protect the CIA. They will always prioritize the agency over the president. And what they realized is that the discovery points directly back to the CIA. So when you look at the reporting on this, you know when the reporting is, it's like the Iraqian invasion, right? When the reporting is bipartisan and it's like, yeah, we need to invade the fixes in. Right.

And so with this reporting, this was pulled out of the news immediately, right? It was in there. It was up for three days back then. It was during COVID, but it was taken out of the news cycle immediately. This has been the most heavily suppressed story over the last four years. Nobody wants to tell this story. This movie came out. It's a neon movie.

Neon's a prolific producer. Nobody knows about that movie. They didn't promote it. It was in the theater for one week and they didn't promote it. This story, the movie was CIA funded. Which movie are you talking about? Men of War? Exactly.

Exactly, right? Exactly right. It was a Toronto Film Festival. So I'm not saying that the movie is an accurate representation of what happened because it has several flaws, terrible flaws. But you have to ask yourself where the funding came from. Adam McKay was the executive producer of the movie? Sure. Yeah. Nobody knows. Nobody knows what this movie is. The other part is this. And this is really important to understand. There are factions in the Venezuelan opposition. Juan Guido is not the faction leader. He's just a guy who's who's, these people are able to throw away. The real leader of the opposition is a guy named Lopoldo Lopez, who has other CIA ties. He's got state department ties. Look, Lopoldo Lopez has the ability to go and talk to Mike Pompeo directly and get people taken off the sanctions list. I know that because I read about it. I read about his strategist speaking with Mike Pompeo and Elliot Abrams and just having them

got people like, you know, Figueroa, who was the head of the Sabine, who's a torturer, and they just pulled them off the sanctions list, and then they, you know, Forbes wrote an article about him saying he was the, he's the picture of what a Venezuelan should be. Meanwhile, he came from torturing, I don't know how many thousands of Venezuelans. So this whole story is, it is a CIA narrative-driven mass police. I mean, what Trump said about this, he said, this was a freelance amateur hour. If the U.S. wanted to invade Venezuela,

it would be a large, official, and military action. And even if you look at the way he's handling it right now, it's very public. They're flying over Venezuela just to say, this is what we're capable of doing. They're blowing up boats just to say, here's what we're doing. It's to the point where Maduro, in his own sarcastic way,

he probably doesn't want this because if they do, they know they can cause them to fall. Some people are for it. A lot of people may be against it because it's another one of those, you know, we're coming in as mercenaries to replace you and put you in a different place, but it's public. And it seems more aligned with Trump's way of doing things. When Trump took out Gassam Soleimani, he was very public about it.

When Trump took out a lot of, even in his first term, he was very public about it. I don't know how much of this matches his style of doing things. I don't know. Well, here's the deal. I don't know. I can't speak to that, but he was a sitting president. He was new, right? And so when you're a new president, you're not really going to understand the, I guess, the tools in your toolbox.

And so one of those tools, if you come to the president and, look, the president's a smart guy, your business guy. Presence is smart guy. If I come to you with the choice that, look, we can lose a lot of American lives and we can make this really bloody. or I say to the president, you know what? Let's make it bloodless. We'll get some guys who know how to do this and we'll try to get the CIA to do it. They won't do it, so let's get somebody in who's private.

And then let's go with that option. I'll take the other option where it's bloodless. What's the closest you ever got to? What's the closest you ever got to Maduro? In terms of... How close did you guys not all get close? This is how close. I had his breakfast.

I knew who he, his driver was going to be that day. I knew names of his personal Cuban strike force bodyguards. How close was I? I don't know. I could probably, I was getting reports on the type of soap that he used. That's how close I was, Patrick. If you wanted to. This is why. I got that close because it's my job to get that close. And in military special operations, in our human intelligence programming, we're better than the CIA. We just do it better. We just do it better.

And it took me a year and a half to get that access and placement. So, yeah, I was close. If you wanted to, as close as you got, did you ever have a chance where if you wanted to take them out, you could? Yeah, sure, probably. But you have to understand that, like,

I don't, I am not, that's assassination, right? You understand? I don't deal in a, I'm a strategist. I want to do the simplest. But how would you do with the strategist? You're going to come on and say, Maduro, hold my hand. Let's walk out of this building and I want you to give up. You think he's, how do you do it peacefully?

Look, I understand the cognitive dissidents. Yeah. Right? But you have to understand. The world is not everything in America. And there are other pieces to, when we talk military. Right. So it's essentially I need to get three people, not just one. It's not enough that I get Maduro. I have to get Cabello. I have to get Tarik. I have to get all three, which means I need access and placement to all three. Right. And then coordinating an operation. What does get mean? No, what does get mean? Capture. Or put pressure on. Whether they flee or not is completely fine. I don't care if somebody flees. I didn't care if they fleed. I just wanted them out. But I. There's something with assassination that I, look, you saw the Charlie Kirk, right?

Is that something that you would want to be remembered for? What happened with, no, I'm not an assassin. I just want countries to police themselves, right? And I want to advise people in those countries how to do it. And if I can facilitate the connection of the military establishment around Maduro and incentivize them to do that, I'm going to do that. And that is all the plan was. So, okay, a big difference between Charlie Kirk and Maduro.

Charlie Kirk was a regular guy going out there selling how amazing America is a goddess. And Maduro is a dictator, your words, what you said earlier. So that's a different thing. Let's substitute JFK. Let's substitute JFK for Charlie Kirk. I would still say JFK is a, I understand what you're saying. I don't want to beat a dead horse on this one. Like, too, I'm not trying to go into. saying that. But let's go back to it. So you got close to him as close as you wanted to to get him

and a couple of his associates. Is this where the motive became, why don't we put a big bounty to be able to take him out? Because with a bounty, his own people can get excited and come close and we can pay him 15 million bucks. Is that kind of what part of the strategy was? Let me get his own guys to turn against him. Well, that's the whole strategy, right? That is a military coup in essence. And so when you said before that the president really just wanted to do that, well, he didn't do that, right? He chose this option. And so he chose to do the smart option, which is, yes, to use people around Maduro to capture him and solve their own problem, right? And this was evidenced by the April 30th rebellion that failed because they didn't have military. They didn't have

access and placement that I did. They didn't have the military. You know, well, Apollo Lopez didn't have the military. He just didn't. I did. Okay. Um, right. The other part that I pull up with you with what's going on, apparently there is, uh, uh, and police correct this. It says they're, you're charged right now with 14 counts in U.S. federal indictment, conspiracy to violate export law, smuggling goods from the U.S. and in violations of arms, control acts and a couple of the things that you have. What are you in court for? Because I know you said we were supposed to do this live

that if something goes wrong, you can go to jail in the next few hours. What are you facing today? I've been fighting to get to trial. The whole fight is get to trial and stay free. The only way, and they know this, the only way they win at trial is if I'm in jail. That's the only way they win.

And they've been trying ever since to get me in jail. This is why I'm living in a homeless shelter right here. This is why I just can't go out and get an apartment. I have the ankle monitor. I'm not allowed to, I mean, I do business strategy for a local ranch that's trying to monetize. So I'm helping them, you know, pro bono. I'm just, you know, volunteering because if I don't, I'll go insane. This is all part of the, you know, the trial as a lot.

I can't wait. I look forward to it. Let's go. This part where they're threatening to put me in jail and they're threatening to do all these terrible things to me. This is the part that's like, you know, I, as a soldier, I fought for the constitution. And, you know, I understand how I've been framed in the media, but let's, let's be honest, I fought for the country for 18 years, the GWW. And I wasn't just, you know, a truck driver or, you know, a nurse. I was a tip of the spear special force operator. I saw my friends get shot

to pieces. I've had my buddy's brains all over my face. And I'm sitting at the VA right here, who's tried to kick me out three times, right? I mean, I, I. So, yeah, man, I'm going to fight. I'm the guy in the ring who's taking the blows and thank God for my attorney. She's a beautiful Cuban woman and she's fighting incredibly hard for me. But nobody else is, right? I mean, everybody comes for you, your friends and nobody stands with you because everybody's so terrified at the federal government. It's unbelievable.

So this stage of the game, it's stay at a jail so that I can get as much classified information as I can from them. Because if I'm in jail, I'm no longer incentivized to get classified information in They know that. The only way they win is to put me in jail. And it's been a year and a half. I haven't run. I'm not a danger of the community. I'm certainly not a flight risk.

You know, I'm here. So they're fighting me, right? You know, they fought yesterday. They fought us. And they're fighting us today to try to put me in jail. George. Look, the old. Yeah.

Who's the highest ranking, most influential person in the world that is vouching for you and has your back? Most influential person. I'm a soldier, Patrick. No, but do you know what I'm asking? What I'm asking is who from the left, the right business, somebody who is a general or three-star in the military that was on the trenches with you that knows you, that trusts you? Who is out there coming out saying, guys, this is a good guy,

leave him alone. I can vouch for him. Yeah, great. There's a colonel. His name is Colonel D.J. Reyes. He actually has a courage to stand up. You know, he actually has a courage to talk to, you know, members of the court and say, hey, listen, I mean, this guy's doing great.

This guy has, is giving people jobs, even though he's living. I'm living in a homeless shelter. And, you know, I think they thought I was going to go over there and I don't know. I am a business strategist. I'm in a day-to-day basis, you know, mentoring a CEO and a CEO and a human. I scale all through that company. And here I'm living in an homeless shelter. This is, it's cognitive.

I've never, you know, it's unbelievable. And so DJ Reyes is basically saying he's a good guy. I don't understand why he can't live in an apartment. You know, oh, because it's law fair. Because I'm tied to the northern, you know, they put some conditions on me. And this is not the judges. This is the prosecution. I should be just, you know, being able to go out.

I can't go out everything. I'm confined. I do my runs around this VA building. I wear ranger panties. and I'm, you know, I work out and I do my push-ups. That's the tree that I use is like a boxing tree. You know, I fought for the Constitution. I didn't fight for this, right?

But people don't understand it until you're part of this system. I do think there are good judges. I've seen it. But the fact that these prosecutors, you know, they've packed the courtroom yesterday, one of these prosecutors was the original prosecutor who talked about Green Berets, I've locked up, you know, two Green Berets. This is going to be my third. She was furious when my lawyer got me bond, furious.

So she came back. She's not even a lawyer. She was in the stands yesterday, along with all the FBI agents who, to be honest, they should be tried for treason. They knew my Green Berets. They knew those guys, Luke and Aaron, were in grave danger. They knew I aborted the mission. And you know what the FBI did?

they've violated ICD-191. That's a duty to warn that they had. And they didn't do it. And there were American lives at risk. You know what they did? They just kept reporting it up to the CIA. So, yeah, I mean, the narrative is, but I digress. Look.

So the end of the day, yeah, sorry. And right now with where you're at, because I got this as well from the Scalzo law, Maricel, which is the beautiful lawyer you're talking about. She's phenomenal. Yeah. Did you, are you asking the government for a pardon? I think she is. Certainly, yeah.

I mean, I, look, I'm not a lawyer. She does whatever she needs to do. We're going to fight it either way. I mean, she's a brilliant trial lawyer. You know, I, I'm not worried about it going to trial. I'm more worried about them trying to put me in jail because I'm a, Obviously, I'm a flight risk because, you know. Yeah, you know, in situations like this, this is a very weird story.

When my guy came up to me, it says, Pat, you know, do we want to do the story or not? And we sat there. We looked at it. And we thought about it. And we said, well, let's give it a shot and see what's in this. What's in this story? It's very, very suspect. It's very strange.

It's very weird. It's very, but there is that ounce of possibility of Pompeo and Bolton and Pence who couldn't stand, you know, what Trump was doing. And they kind of looked at him as, this guy's not a president. We know what we're doing. We're in here. We are politicians. We are governors, you know, Penn. So we are, you know, folks who have been in this thing for a while.

And we know what we're doing. And who is he to come and tell us, you know, we're going to just tell him what to do. We're going to manage him because they looked at President Trump as a possible President Bush. And, you know, Pompeo was maybe looking at himself as being a Dick Cheney or whatever role you want to put it. That I'm going to be able to be the puppet master and tell him what to do. But it ended up being that President Trump was the alpha of the alphas. And they couldn't fool him. And he kind of came out and figured it out.

And on the first term, so that is the small 5% I give to this, 10% I give to this, that they try to. you know, pin it against him and the establishment tried to hurt him in their own way and didn't succeed in and they used COVID to get rid of him. And then he came back. And they came up against a very unique guy that wasn't willing to give up against these guys.

Well, when you read the discovery, that 5% turns more into about 95%. The discovery is, I mean, like I said, this journalist's been trying to get published forever and, you know, he, this is the, this is the, this is the quintessential to fix us in because all the evidence is there. It supports everything I'm saying, you know, and that's undeniable.

But nobody will have, you know, there's very few podcasts that will have me on because I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. I'm caught between, like, and I know you, Patrick, you love the president, and you're going to protect the president no matter what, great. And I'm caught between the people in the left who are protecting the CIA and protecting, you know, Mike Pompeo's and all the individuals who put this thing in the motion. So what does that leave for somebody like me? You know, I, like I said, I'm a patriot. I fought for the country for decades, and everybody wants to say thank you for your service, but nobody's willing to stand next to me.

Yeah, I mean, look, we are responsible for things that we do. You know, I have four kids. So if you screwed up, you're going to be held accountable to it. So you didn't get into the situation accidentally. So I don't want to sit here and, you know, you get, we get judged in life for the decision. that we made. We get judged in life for putting things in the right way. And sometimes we screw up. Nobody makes 100% right decisions. And you see an opportunity, you took it, and you're

now here, and it's an unfortunate place to be. But this is a byproduct of decisions that we make. Having said that, I am fully for innocent until proving guilty. And may God have mercy on you. And while you're going through this next phase, and if things come out the right way, God willing, somebody will come out and support you and help you out. Yeah, I think that at the end of the day, you know, I am. I should have known that the CIA was doing this. I should have known that I would have been thrown under the bus by the individuals who were working with the president. But I was recruited to do this.

I made that decision. I made that determination because I'm a soldier. And when the highest office asks you to do something, you do it. Just like when my commanders tell me to do it, I do it. that's that that's what being a soldier is and without guys like me but I think maybe that there's a difference though there is a difference there's no difference I don't think so my opinion no no my opinion

you you don't have to agree with my opinion but if I pull up right now what is silver core it doesn't say consulting firm it doesn't say strategy firm it's a PMC it's not but but if you go if you go I don't have access to Sorry. I don't have access to that website. Somebody else does. I don't have, I don't get to write the Wikipedia page. The CIA guys do. I don't. What's the difference between you and a, what Eric Prince did? We've had them on the podcast as well. What's the difference? Because this is the big difference. The difference is Eric Prince, he had a mercenary invasion force ready to go. I had assets with access and placement in Venezuela who weren't going to kill anybody. They were just going to turn on military

units and have the Venezuelan military do the work. That's the difference. It's the difference in cost of lives. Mine costs no lives. Eric Princes and PMCs costs thousands, hundreds of thousands. That's the difference. Apparently eight of your people died. They did. Eight Venezuelans died. Yeah. Eight of the people died. And again, remember this. I'm not here taking sides or anything. But what I'm saying is when I'm being told what to do, when you have, I was in the army. I was not the guy that was going to go to fifth group and be 18 Delta because I spoke five languages and I was going to go to DLI and go to Vicenza Italy because that's where I wanted to go to. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to be Delta. And last minute,

I got out and I went into business. I loved the military. I was at the 101st Airborne. When you're in the military, yes, you signed a contract to do that. But, when you're a PMC, it's a business decision you're making because you're getting paid for it. So it's a different deal. And so Eric Prince, if I look at Eric Prince's contracts, if I'm not mistaken, Rob, I think he had $600 million of dealings of what he did with CIA. I want to say a big number of his revenue came from the, maybe I'm off by a couple hundred million. But can you pull up to see 600 million? Yeah, there you go.

Blackwater secured $600 million in class by contracts from the CIA for, for, security support and other operations. If you're doing this, you're essentially doing a business deal with CIA. You know the track record what it is. And you know you're playing with fire. You know what could happen at any point. My company started as a company that was going to solve the school shooting problem. Period.

That's how it started. I templated school shooting, like active shooter mitigation in several schools in Florida. after, you know, all those school shootings were happening. My company was not a PMC. As much as the media, as much as the Wikipedia, as much as you want to say it was, it was not a PMC. It was never designed for that. I, it was designed to solve intricate problems.

Were any of your 60 guys that you had to go on this mission, pre-military guys? Sure. That's a private military. That's a private military contractor. Negative. That's not, that is not. I took all the private military guys that I brought, or sorry, all of the soldiers that I took that were with me in Puerto Rico, we were not a PMC.

We were just protecting people. I know, but in this mission, I'm not talking to Puerto Rico in this mission. And by the way, do you think I think of PMCs as a negative thing? I don't know. You must not know me well enough. I am supporter of. No, no, no. No, what I'm saying to you is.

I've multiple times on the podcast I've said I think we need PMCs to have a direct competition because some PMCs can do a better job than the other guys can I am I am I am for PMC so I don't look at PMC in a bad way I just know that if you're a PMC you got to know what you're getting yourself into and what types of people you're doing business with and how to protect yourself so if I'm if I'm going into the PMC business probably my best friends are having some of the most expensive decorated lawyers in the world to protect me, that know how to deal with the government. Because when shit hits the fan,

they're not going to come to save you. There's a reason why they deal with PMC. So you're taking me saying PMC in a negative way. I don't see PMC in a negative way. I only see PMC in a negative way is because your customer is the CIA in many cases. Sure, no, no doubt. That said, trying to basically say that,

well, you know, you're a PMC, you should have had all these lawyers. Back when I started, I wasn't, you know, I didn't have all the money to have all these lawyers. I get that. I said, several lawyers actually read the contract. I had three lawyers reading the contract. You know, I mean, the contract was valid.

Yeah. So, and look, I'm not a PMC. There was no, this whole notion that we were some mercenary outfit who did a military action with guys in fishing boats. That's just doesn't, that doesn't hold water. I mean, the proof of it is in the discovery, which. Look, let me tell you, what I don't like is everybody is someone's son, everybody, and the son, parents are in pain watching their son or daughter go through, you know, the hardship that they're going through. I'm sure you got relatives that are watching you right now going through this, and they're probably praying for you.

They don't want to see this thing happen to you. They don't want to see you go through this challenge. And you're in a pretty shitty place right now. And, you know, looks like you got a lawyer. that's working for you, which probably is the most important person, because I don't know if she's getting paid right now. So if she's going out of her way helping you out, kudos to whoever this lawyer is. I don't know who this lawyer is.

So good for her for helping you out and doing what you're doing. And for you, you look like a CEO, man, dressed up. Look at the way. You got even a nice collar shirts you got on, you know, a nice guy that I'm sure if, you know, those decisions weren't made. By the way, if you had to go back and that opportunity came up to do with you signing on with Guido and all these other guys, what would you have done differently? If that opportunity came about, would you have done it again?

To liberate 30 million people? I was part of that unit you said, fifth group, I was an 18 Delta in fifth group. You were an 18 Delta and fourth group? Yeah, I went to Delta selection and everything. You know what? You know what the motto is the Green Berets? It's the oppressor Libre, free the oppressed. So you want to ask me right now, I'm at the VA in the parking lot, you know, being, yeah,

Liberate 30 million people, yep, I'll do that again. Sure would. Now, what would have done different? there's a lot of variables that look I understand that you give a lot of broad stroke to the CIA and well you should have known about the CIA but listen a guy like me I've worked with the CIA I work with them in Iraq and Afghanistan I've never been burned by them right but when I don't have the data from the White House and I don't I I'm reading about how there was a civil war in the White House at that point I don't have that data back then we do the best we can so what I have changed things sure, but did I make any huge mistakes? I don't think I did.

Am I responsible for it? Absolutely. I take 100 responsibility, 100% responsibility for what happened because, yeah, I should have known that the CIA would have moved against us, right? I should have done intelligence, you know, had people in the White House doing intelligence spy. But what you're talking about, David, is insane, right? You're saying that I need to spy on the spy agency. the United States in order to do a job that the president is circumventing the CIA. The reason I was was recruited was so that the president could circumvent what the CIA

wasn't doing. The CIA wasn't doing the job. And so the president needed another option. We were that option. Right. I don't know what I could have done better or worse. I did the best I could as a soldier. Jordan, any final things you want to share with the audience before we wrap up?

And I don't know. I think we covered it. I think that at the end of the day, it's like a lot of what I signed on for in the Constitution, I believe to be incorrect because of all the laws that have degraded it. But the biggest thing I can say is this. Going to war has nothing to do with the country you're in or flags or documents that are written in books. It's about guys to the left and the right of you. And the people who show up for me now, because I'm not a problem.

popular guy. I'm infamous, right? I'm this terrible guy who's, you know, all the terrible stories are written about. But you know who your friends are when the people the left and right you show up and they're not the people who you think they're going to be. And I appreciate you having me, Patrick, takes courage to tell this story. Yeah, I wanted to hear this story. By the way, for the craziest, I'm going to ask you the craziest question that you are not expecting. You ready? what are you doing this interview on where the audio is this clear and you're outside? Well, your guy said, look, I wish I was there in person, but your guy said, you need a better, you know, camera. And so I had somebody bring me a better camera.

What is it? Is it a camera? Is it an audio? Is it an iPad? It's like a little camera. No, no, it's a camera that I'm putting on my iPad. That's it. My computer.

And is the audio coming from? Listen. Yeah. I wish I could tell you how sick the audio is. Do you agree, Rob? Yeah, it's really good for you being outside. I am so amazed. Can you afterwards send a picture of the camera and send it to our guys?

Because you're outside. I haven't heard a single noise with those cars driving. And I see the things in the back. I don't hear anything would win. So whatever product this is, maybe this could be an endorsement opportunity. I tell you what, like I'm running on a clock. And I have to go empty out my little room here at the homeless shelter. and throw in my buddy's car because we've got to get to the courthouse in case I go to jail today.

Well, once I finish, yeah. Yeah, send that over to us. We'd love to know. But obviously, I'm having fun with you. But at the same time, it's probably not the most exciting day for you for what you have to do. But I'm sure you're praying. May God be with you, buddy. Can I just say one more thing? Please.

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