PBD Podcast - Disney's Downfall, Woke Hollywood, and Cancel Culture w/ Gina Carano | PBD Podcast | Ep. 371

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, and Vincent Oshana are joined by actress and MMA fighter Gina Carano! Gina Carano is an American actress and former mixed martial artist. She competed in EliteXC and Strikeforce from 2006 to 2009, where she compiled a 7–1 record. Carano retired from competition and transitioned from the ring to the screen, landing her first major role as the lead of the action film "Haywire," which was followed by appearances in "Fast & Furious 6" and "Deadpool." She also portrayed Cara Dune in the first two seasons of the Disney+ space Western series "The Mandalorian" from 2019 to 2020. TIMESTAMPS 2:34 - Gina discusses when she started speaking out about COVID mandates. 10:20 - Gina discusses the Tweets that got her in trouble with Disney. 14:04 - Gina on her relationship with Disney's Kathleen Kennedy. 22:41 - Gina explains if she received any calls of support from Hollywood following her firing from Disney. 23:53 - Gina explains what Tweet got her fired from Disney's "The Mandalorian." 31:16 - Gina on the impact of being fired from Disney had on her career. 46:51 - Who is running Disney? Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy or Lucasfilm? 51:30 - How Elon Musk became involved in Gina's lawsuit against Disney and Lucasfilm. 59:33 - Where Gina's lawsuit against Disney stand today? 1:05:12 - Who fears Kathleen Kennedy and Disney the most? 1:11:12 - Social media and influencers affect on Hollywood. 1:18:59 - How Disney's PR firm pressured Gina to unfollow certain influencer accounts who were critical of Disney. 1:22:14 - Gina's relationship with Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, and Harry Cavill. 1:34:00 - Who should be the next James Bond? 1:41:01 - Gina's MMA career and how she influenced Ronda Rousey to go into mixed martial arts. 1:43:09 - Why Gina's UFC fight against Ronda Rousey never materialized. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Okay, so episode 371 today with the great Look what I become Okay, so episode 371 today with the great Gina Carano now before I you know I want to kind of go through the background and You know a few things that she's done If you remember the work that she's done She's been a lot of movies fast and furious six Deadpool the Mandalorian 2019-2020 she was about to do her own series afterwards. There was a bit of a fallen out with her in Disney. I mean, you know, I want to know how dinner went last night with Kathleen Kennedy and

Bob Iger. I heard you guys had dinner last night, which is great. And before that, she was a fighter, okay? And not just a regular fighter, Rhonda Rousey said her inspiration to become a UFC fighter was Gina Carano. And by the way, her father was a quarterback for the Cowboys, seven seasons apparently. I don't even know that. I'm like, that's pretty wild, right? Where the right genes are in there

and she doesn't do well with bullion. She doesn't like it when you try to force her to do something, specifically if the company's name is called Disney. She has a hard time with that. So if you, if you try to bully her, it won't work out in your favor. And aside from that, you know, we, we, we were going to have Adam on. Adam was so worried about today's podcast that it was shivering.

He told it over to turn around. Never left Miami said I'm not going to do this. So it's great to have you on. Thank you for having you for having me yeah so how was dinner last time with Baba I grand-kenneth oh it's fabulous everything out in the world is set straight really what you guys talking about how was it me taking over before people start tweeting there was no dinner that's a joke by the way for people that are maybe no I'm taking over. That part is a different story. Yeah, so...

I endorse that part. So, you know, look, I mean, all of us, we've been following your story for a while. You know, we know you. We've seen you in movies. We've seen you fighting. We've seen you, you know, going through what you went through with Disney. I think when was it, 21, when they made a decision to go a different direction? Can you kind of walk us through, you know, what happened with Disney recently, the last three, four years?

And today, I read that Musk wants to help you out on the legal side, kind of walk us through what's been going on lately. Do you want lately as in the version from where Musk came in? Going from everything's going great with Disney. Fire. All of a sudden, fire. Yes, go from there.

That's too fire. It was going great. I was just never political. I think that certain people in certain times of their life find themselves finally having opinions on things. So before, I'd always thought, you know, I pay my taxes, I do what I got to do. I've met a couple politicians and they seemed kind of gross. And so I was like, never into the political. It wasn't like I want to go find a

politician husband someday, you know, like, because that wasn't my style. So I just kind of stayed out of it. And then I started noticing things around 2020 that were concerning like everybody did. I feel like I'm like the the average person who is just waking up to what is actually happening in the world in 2020. And so I started expressing certain, you know, concerns about, well, first of all, like when the pandemic hit, I was like, Oh, my gosh, like, I was thinking everybody's going to turn green and boils were gonna be happening and

we're just going to start falling, you know, dead. And then, you know, and I was really nervous for this three weeks. And then I started noticing, okay, but wait, it's okay for a protest and it's okay, you know, to be that close to a cop and screaming and spitting in their face. And we're not worried about COVID then, but we're worried about, you know, people going to churches or we're worried about these smaller businesses.

I mean, while the bigger businesses are being kept open. And so it really just bothered me. And so I started vocalizing those kinds of things. Gina, at the time, is that happening because of a guy you're with, friends you're talking to, friends in Hollywood that are behind closed are saying, what the F is going on?

What is this all about? It's kind of weird. Is it because of a person you heard speak? What inspired you to be a little bit more vocal? Was there any individual involved in that inspiration? No, I was just, I had gotten wrapped season two of the Mandalorian. I think it was around March 2020 and I had time on my hand. Wow, that's the peak. That's when it started. Yeah. March 14th. That was the NBA day.

Yeah. That's right. NH was the NBA day. Yeah. That's right. NHL, NBA, we were in LA. We were going to do a board meeting and all of a sudden, boom, board is canceled. No one's showing up and we have to fly back to Dallas. Yeah. I think we wrapped season two of Mandalorian March 20 or March 4th or 5th, 2020. 10 months before.

Wow. And then I just started like looking up, you know, online and I started doing my own research and I start just kind of, you know, trying to develop my own opinions. Like I don't keep a lot of people around me. I have my family and my family is very non-political. Like, you know, talking about politics and my family is not something I grew up with at all because we're in the service industry and my family. And so it's about, you know, you let anybody, you you know come to the table and just you know believe what they believe and

wasn't your dad like a executive at a casino what did he do at a cousin what was his yeah we were in the after football yeah we're in the casino business we I say my family is in the casino got it okay so and they keep they keep their you know beliefs to themselves and they have never I mean I wouldn't even be able to tell you who's a Democrat or Republican or independent in my family because we just don't talk about it. It's, if you're in a service industry,

you're having people come from all over the world. So, that's what you keep off the table. What was the, and while you're in Hollywood doing movies and you're around a lot of people that you're doing all these movies, Were you starting to see any signs of weird things going on or was it sudden in March of 2020 that everything got kind of weird? It was sudden. I wasn't paying attention. I you know I was so focused on building a career and having come from professional fighting when I started in

2021 you're just like constantly trying to keep working, constantly trying to get that next job and you know, being on a series of Mandalorian and actually getting the second one and you know, having a show, that was, that's like, that's peak because then you can start doing stuff that you really, really want to do. So it was very sudden for me. When you, when you went went vocal and like when was the first time the world was there a tweet? What was it that you said? Yeah, I know you said some things about BLM. I know you said some things about a few different things. What was the first thing you said that got the world to say, wait a minute,

what kind of a position has she taken here? Well, I mean, I was, you know, when I saw the George Floyd thing happen, you know, I did do the whole black square and my Instagram for it. You Instagram for it. I did, you know, and even at the beginning of COVID, I did say, you know, there was this really funny thing where I was like, you know, we need to keep the mask for the hospitals so you can make these little masks out of your bras if they're padded. And it's like, you know, I was participating and I was like, you know, I wanted, you know, from my heart, I wanted everybody to be okay and I didn't want them to be fearful and I wanted us to all.

But then I started watching more of what was happening from a different perspective and my perspective grew and then I took the black square out because I was like, oh. And then I was like, and not because I don't think that things are like not messed up or wrong. It's just because, you know, trendy stuff is just it's not where I want to be. So, so the black square you do. I did.

And put it took it off. And the black square was basically like every time anything happens in the world, I only want to tell them like, you know, I want to tell people take a breath, take a moment. There's gonna be a lot of emotional reactions. And if we take a breath and really kind of like here, what actually transpired, let's get there. But it's really hard for-

I think that's important to, for the audience because it's not like you're a staunch conservative, Republican, libertarian. There's no way I'm doing this. You've always been like this, and you're not gonna put the black square on. No, you're actually like, no, this is noble. This is not.

Get your brows out, put it on your face. That's right. So you're doing this, and then at what point are you like, no, this is ridiculous? It was really when the protests started happening. And I realized, wait a second, your, I come from, you know, a family that started, you know, both of my grandfather started their businesses from scratch. And so you're shutting down all of these mom and pop and smaller restaurants.

And, you know, you're keeping up on Walmart. And you're, and it's just like, I started really feeling for, you know you're keeping up on Walmart and it's just like I started really feeling for you know those those people that were getting destroyed during that time and it was the hypocrisy that I had the biggest problem with like if you can go to a protest and you can go to church which church for a lot of people is where you know know, you can call yourself, you know, or walks on the beach and living in California, they were destroying the volleyball, the volleyball. You know, they were chasing people on the beach who were going for a walk. Ridiculous.

Who were around, and so that pissed me off. Like it did a lot of people. Again, nothing to do with you watching a Joe Rogan podcast or the news or reading an article. This is all you individually are like, this shit doesn't make sense. Yes. Okay. So then public, what's the first public outlet

where you gave a message where people in Hollywood are like, wait a minute, what's this all about? What did you say that pissed some people off? There's a number of things that pissed people off. I think I told people to open up their businesses. If you know, you can write on the streets, you can open up your business. Common sense. I told people, gosh, I think the first real massive problem

that I really, really run into was the, what is, sounds so silly right now to say, the beep bop boop. Yeah, the transient thing. I mean, I don't know how I'm gonna explain this later on in life, you know, to family or to my nieces and be like, you know, what happened there? I'm like, well, I beep bopped and boop

a little too hard, apparently. Yeah. So that was, I put the Bebop Boop in my, my profile just only to show that you can, um, to expose the bullying that was happening online that, um, you know, we see so well now, but you know, four years, three years ago, we, you know, What's, which one prompted Disney or executives or your agent or managers from Hollywood? Bless you to call you and say hey Gina you can't do that. We're about to get you a big job

You cannot post this please take this off. They never said we're you know you if they said They never said that they said We need to educate you about the beat bop and who's they? The publicist and the publicist who are answering to the higher ups and this these publicist that you're paying or somebody else's pain well actually both and that's a very good question publicist the way that Hollywood works and the way it's been happening is like I can hire a publicist for four to six thousand to $6,000 a month, right? And they could be working for me. But some of them are answering to Disney.

That's why I asked the question. And so Disney's got their own publicist. And so you've got the agents. You've got the managers. You've got the publicists. And everybody's like, so excited about these bigger companies that they're not really taking care of the individual. And then you've got the media.

And everybody's got their own journalists that they call to put out information and it's like it's a mafia and you know a person does not stand a chance when they're you know not going along with the narrative. So the publicist calls you both and then who else like from high up brass that anybody from high ranking brass Disney did anybody call you and say this is not going to work out. Let us educate you on what's the right approach or no. No, actually, um, you know, I offered that, you know, I said, you know, if, uh, Kathleen

Kennedy would like to get on the phone with me, I have no problem with that. Let's, let's talk about this. I've met her a couple of times and obviously this is coming from that direction. Please, I'd love to talk woman to woman about, you know, anybody who I talked to, I was trying to be very agreeable at the same time I'm dealing with when you get canceled, I don't know. It is the hardest thing, one of the hardest things I've ever been through, especially because I was so naive of what was happening. Now it's a lot different. Now I would have handled it differently and I would have been a lot calmer, but like I got so stressed to the point of like my skin hurting and I was just like, you don't want

to be disappointing people. You don't want to be disappointing the best job you've ever had. But at the same time, when you feel like your line is here and people are intruding over into your protective space that would make it feel like you're betraying yourself, then you know, you just got to hold that line. So is it true that Kathleen Kennedy is the reputation I hear about her super sweet, very reasonable, understanding, fun to be around. Why are you guys laughing?

She's got the language of a Mormon mother. Is that what your experience has been with her? My experience with Kathy Kennedy, and by by the way she has had a phenomenal History of work sure that I respect as a woman a woman You know, you'll see her name pop up on some of these movies and it's like wow that is quite incredible actually and so I You know, I don't know her entire story. I don't know what made her Have this wall of defense that she's had.

She's maybe she'll tell us all that story someday. But yeah, it is very cold, but I'm trying. So John Favreau, who is the complete opposite, is just this bearer of a man who is just the most lovable person. And he would, you know, I get shyer. And so he would be like standing there between me and Kathy Kennedy and like, you know, like, you know,

try to initiate the conversations. And it wasn't ever, it wasn't ever bad on set. It wasn't ever anything like that. I had no problems on set. It was a beautiful on set. And you know, if a woman's like that, it's fine. There's plenty of women that are like that. You don't have to be the executive of a company and be a nice person. But it was the problems that came afterwards and that energy that happened.

So what was that experience like? So Onset, you worked onset with her and Favreau. She was there very rarely. Like very rarely. I think I saw her maybe two or three times and and your interaction with her when you spoke How many if we were to say this is how many minutes I've spoken to Kathleen Kennedy? What would you say the total time is? I'd say like 20 minutes. Okay, and the 20 minutes was was it more like hey? How you doing how are things or is it more like don't do this? This has changed this what was a 20 minutes was, was it more like, Hey, how you doing? How are things? Or is it more like, don't do this? This has changed this. What, what was it? 20 minutes.

Like it was like two magnets. Really? And was it obvious? I mean, to me, it felt, but I'm, I'm sensitive to energy, you know, so like, I was like, you know, trying to be my normal self and, um, you know, she, she, she does have walls up. And so it's like, okay, you know, I don't know why those walls are there, but it was just like that and That's what it is the beginning. Do you know was it after she started realizing like you were awake not walk?

You know, I mean like what was it from the beginning? You just have that energy It was from the beginning. I remember we went to the Star Wars celebration and we were all up on stage and we go through, you know, everybody go through, you know, they get announced and they go through and they shake everybody else's hand. And Kathleen Kennedy, I think, was like towards the end and she shook everybody else's hand and I go to shake her hand and she didn't shake my hand. Get out of here And I was like okay. All right. What is that?

Accidentally like she didn't see it or intention looked at me. You think she's trying maybe maybe she's trying by you I have I have no idea. I just realized like that's that energy. That's what that's like. Wow is this pre March 5th when she was like that or? That was the first introduction into Star Wars. Like that was my first I'm all excited and I'm like you know happy to be up on stage and and then I was like okay. Now let me ask you when you're just happened yet there hasn't been an interchange she just kind of a power move? That's what she said yes. So when you're when you're meeting her and and like are people saying are people saying things like hey Gina few things you need to know when

you work here that person is this this person is this that person is this like you know how you go into sports team like Brett Farr used to play for the Green Bay Packers and the quarterback coach was, was it Mary Uchi Tom? Mary Uchi was a QB coach or I think was Mary Uchi. Mary Uchi started QB coach in the, in the whole West Coast systems. And the coach was, was it Sherman? Who was the coach? Not home.

Homegrown, Mike Homegrown. Yeah, Michael and Brett Farr and Homegrown would always have issues, but Mary Uchi was like in between the buffers. Like I got you, don't worry, you and I will work together. And Coach just wants for you to perform better. Did anybody like kind of, you know,

prepare you for what to expect with these strong media personalities? No, no. And I think that Star Wars being one of the biggest fan bases and also one of the most controversial kind of toxic fan bases, there's got two different sides,

which I have my theory on that. I feel like when you go into that kind of job, there needs to be immediate media training, immediate understanding of the environment and to really just kind of like prepare people for that. But you know, I think that will eventually get there. It just wasn't there at that time. Got it, okay.

So, Kathleen Kennedy, first experience, isn't that good? John is, you know, I played poker with John one night. John Favreau, Vince Vaughn, and the guy from Christmas Story, redheaded guy who becomes a producer later on. He was something, I don't know what his name is. Oh my God, John was funny. He is so wonderful. He is so amazingly.

He is my favorite person in Hollywood to have ever worked. Why is that? He cares he does he's able to Reach everybody in the room. He'll come before a scene and he'll just let everybody know exactly He'll somehow make everybody in that room feel like they have a diamond that they're holding good for him And he is just just beautiful big-hearted man who it just has broken my heart to have had gone through this and know that that has probably negatively affected him

because he is just my favorite. Like he knew how to get into my mind. He knew how to direct me. He knew. Sick. And by the way, his birthday is October 19th. I'm October 18th. I remember there was one hand where Vince goes all in.

It's like $2,500. Oh, wow. And at this point, we've been playing for five hours. This is when Vince was doing the movie with Jennifer Aniston. Was it Breakup? Breakup, yeah. Oh, I love that.

And so he's there with flip flops. I mean, they're just like regular, three o'clock in the morning and he goes all in. Next is John and John's like, look guys, I'm not in this. I'm gonna let you two Middle Easterners go out. I'm like Middle Easterners. I didn't even know Vince Vaughn was Middle Eastern.

Apparently he's Lebanese or something. Are you serious? Can you go to Vince Vaughn? Is he Lebanese? He's from Chicago, right? Well, he's from Chicago, but Lebanese, I'm like, what Lebanese? I had to actually look in. Can you see if his background is like Lebanese, he's from Chicago, right? Well, he's from Chicago. I mean, there's a lot of Lebanese. I'm like, what Lebanese? I had to actually look at.

Can you see if his background is like Lebanese? Does it is Italian? I'm Lebanese. There you go. Wow. What a mix. So he says, yeah, he's Lebanese. I'm going to let the Middle Easterns,

you and Iran and Lebanese go at it. Anyways, we are you guys going off of Wikipedia here? Yeah. Oh, dang dangerous. Dangerous. Don't look at mine. I don't want to know. OK. Oh dang, dangerous. Dangerous. Don't look at mine. I don't want to know. Okay, well, you're Lebanese too.

But you know, just letting you know. Well, you're just Lebanese today. You're a Syrian Lebanese. Anyways, but the point is John was a fricking breath of fresh air to be around, right? Just a chill guy. And by the way, it's important for people to realize, Adam pointed this out a couple days ago,

there's two John Favreau's on Twitter. There's a John Favreau that's an Obama seat trident. This is not the same John Favreau. John Favreau. Because that John Favreau is super woke, loud. It almost confuses you a little bit. Please find the right John Favreau. And also, you know, John's,

I don't think he's really on Twitter I think I think he watches from the background sometimes, but I think you know he's he's I think his His whole thing is like, you know, he loves to just fly right below the radar You know so that he can do what he can do and but you know, I believe the man is emotional genius I believe he's a genius in storytelling. I mean, I think there's something very special. That's cool. That's good to hear from,

because that's the impression I get from him anyways. Where there are a lot of people in Hollywood who reached out to you who agreed with you, but couldn't be vocal. And they said, look, you're right. We're with you. We agree with you, but we can't publicly agree because it's gonna hurt our career.

Did you get a lot of calls like that? Not initially, I got no calls initially, but I got a lot of support and have gotten more support. I go do these fan expos and people will have me come up to their booths and they're like, we're so with you sister, we're so with you. And I'm like, I know, I know.

And they think, you know, I think there's a lot more people in the middle and a lot of these actors are just, you know, I know a lot of my co-stars, they hate what happened to me. You know, Bill Burr was just as incredible and awesome. And he was like, if I, you know, he's like, she's a sweetheart. And if I say anything, you know, I'm going to get canceled. And so at the time, three years ago, it was a different environment. And it was hard for people to speak up. But every single one of my co stars, including Pedro and Carl, you know, did not believe

what happened to me was correct. Which, which tweet was it? Or what did you say that got you fired? I think the final straw was the Holocaust tweet. And when I had posted it on my, you remember Twitter used to have like, or X used to have the fleet section, which is like the Instagram version of the stories Well, I'd put it up there and I put it in what you know, and I was just kind of like and

Actually like the fleet. I don't know what they got rid of We like it was great. So this is yeah, this is the zoom in a little bit Rob Yeah, the infamous tweet the infamous Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbors, even by children, because history is edited. Rob, I don't want an ad, Rob. Gina, because history is edited. Most people, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is this any different from hating someone for their political views? So if you just read that first part, yeah that would be a messed up, you

know, thing, right? But when you read the whole thing and my interpretation and what I would like to do is like I'd like to put thought pieces out, you know, I'd constantly put thought pieces out so that people would just get their mind working. And so my question was always like, I'd like to put thought pieces out. You know, I'd constantly put thought pieces out so that people would just get their mind working. And so, um, my question was always like, and I think a lot of people thought this like, you know, before 2020, I never understood how a population of people could demonize a group of people and allow them to get, you know, taken from right next door, next door and shipped off to a concentration camp and ashes are falling from the sky and I just couldn't understand how that could happen. And I've always been so fascinated

with the World War II movies, they're some of my favorite. So in this tweet, I thought, this is something where I feel like if we keep demonizing each other, if there's this like demonizing between neighbors, if you keep on doing that towards one another we're going to end up in a bad place. And that was a simple that's how my mind simply just read it like that. And then I didn't know, you know I didn't know that like you get cancelled if you bring up the Holocaust in any way apparently. When was his tweet by the way?

I think it was in September September 21 or no 2020 Yeah, September 2020. Yeah, and then how much longer after this were you fired? I was fired February 2021. So that's five months later and there was a lot of torture What happened during that five months? Well from from the bebop boop, which happened, I think, in August, it was just inflamed. It was inflamed, right? The whole experience and it was inflamed. I was going through this massive struggle session. And yeah, so I just finally, finally they just stopped contacting me around, I think, after December,

and I hadn't heard from them and I was like, well, there's that. Does your agent contact you? I'm like, hey, listen, they're not even, I mean, there has to be some type of communication because you were even about to have like a spin-off of your own show, Yeah. Right? Yeah. So I got a phone call from John Favreau. Um,

I think it was October or November and they had told me he had said, I was like, okay, what kind of conversation is this going to be? And he was like, it's all positive Gina. It's great. Everything's good. You're going to be great. Um, and I want you to know that your life's about to change because I have written the pilot of Rangers of the New Republic and It was okayed by Disney and you're on your way What a phone call and it was like after all of the awful things that had been happening

I was I was just oh my gosh like this is insane This is wonderful and I'm seeing you know everybody's being very emotional all my male co-stars All of like the you know, everybody's allowed very emotional, all my male co-stars, everybody's allowed to say their opinions online, so I stuck to continuing my opinions. But I don't think I ever said anything that was, I think that was the most intense that it got, which you could see something like that on the um, you know, the Holocaust, uh, Twitter account, you know, like that's like history, you know, so, um, so he, he called me and told me that and I was like, you know, on cloud nine, like, okay, it's happening.

That's cool. Yeah. And then, so that's good news. That was wonderful. October, November, but then what happened February? Um, uh, February was that tweet. Oh, you tweeted that September though, right? Oh, no, no, no, okay, I'm so sorry. I think September is the pronoun, the beep-bop-boop. Got it, that's February.

Yeah, February 2021 was that tweet. So how much longer after that did you, was it instant? It was the day, I think. It was the day. Like within hours. And is this when they made the announcement where you know even I think Bob Iger came out, see Gina comes out, Bob Iger comes out and defends the firing, the Mandalorian. We stand for our values. I think Bob said this.

Was that Bob Iger or Bob Shapak? It could be Shapak. Let me see. It says Bob. Disney, okay this is Shapak because Iger's not back not back yet Disney CEO defense Gina Carano's firing from the Mandala Mandalorian We stand for values that are universal Bob shapek defense the firing emphasizing the company's commitment to universal values such as respect decency integrity and inclusion Shapek stated I don't really see Disney as characterizing itself as a left-leaning or right-leaning Highlighting their focus on creating content reflective of the most world's diversity continued. Yet instead, standing for values,

Rob, can you pull up what percentage of the Disney executives give their money to the left or the right? Because that's public information. When they say left-leaning and right-leaning, Mr. Shepeg, with all the respect. Yet instead, standing for values, better universal value for respect, value for decency. Again, going back to the same thing. Koran's termination came after she likened modern-day Yeah, yet instead the standing for values that are universal value for respect value for decency again

Going back to the same thing. Coronas termination came after she likened modern-day Republican Holocaust victims in now deleted Instagram post She wrote What we just read a minute ago, which was never posted it was always in a story and it was among a bunch of other It was never a Deleted post it was a fleet that kind of expires 24 hours of other. It was never a post. It was a fleet that kind of expires 24 hours. Got it. Despite similarities in social media activity with co-star Pedro Pascal, who shared a post complaining Trump voters to Nazis. Karano was the one let go. So shapek versus Kathleen Kennedy. How much of this firing do you think was shapek? How much of this firing do you think was Kathleen

Kennedy? By the way, is this it, Rob? In 2020, 2020, right there. So that's the percentage of money they gave to the left versus the right. So if we take that, I think it's fair to say, Tom, 80% of the, okay, 7.64 million, what's the other one, Rob? It's not left leaning.

So let's actually get the percentage, Rob. Give me the number, 7.6 million plus what? Plus 1.4? Yes, 1.42. So 7.4 million divided by nine, 82% of their money goes to the left. So you are left leaning shaping based on how you give your money.

And it's like somebody that says, I don't discriminate between Starbucks and coffee bean, yet four out of the five coffee you buy, you buy at Starbucks, you prefer Starbucks coffee. There's nothing wrong with that. Just be public about it. So who had more power in you getting fired? Do you think it's SheaPick or do you think SheaPick got so many calls from Kathleen Kennedy that she's the reason why you got fired? You know, I think that is something that we're gonna find out through discovery. Because you're going through

that right now. Yeah, well, I mean, we're, yeah, we have to get to the point where we get there right now. But yeah, we're, we're gonna find out my, my question, I really can't wait to understand this one thing is, and you could probably pull up what they said about me, the comment that they, they said I was denigrating people off of cultural and religious beliefs. And that was abhorrent. I want to know so badly, who okayed that that had to have been someone at the top that had to have been okayed. Because that was so damaging. And that quote right

there was basically telling the rest of the industry do not touch this person. She's off limits Wow. Meanwhile you have in in Disney's plethora of actors you had, you know People be convicted of something You know bad and then they they go on an apology tour that Disney on one of Disney's channels, you know, you've had You know go back to that Rob go back to that Rob because I want I want to make sure audience sees this I don't know if we put it up on a Lucas from statement from Her firing stated her social media posts Denigrating people based on their culture and religious identities are behorrent and un-unacceptable

Coroner seeking damages to be and this this is February 6, three weeks ago, we're talking about. No, they put that right out on, I think February 10th was the date, 2020. One. Yeah. When you got fired. Okay.

So now you're soon Mandalorian because of the state. But if you look through, if you look at that statement, and then you go through everything that I've ever posted, and you go back through, I've had a Twitter account since 2009. I Urge you to go through it. I'm sure they're coming through it right now Come through everything and see if that statement fits me and it doesn't a thousand percent. It doesn't So so again going back to Disney shapek

We stand by values the main one of the four is really the inclusion one because the other three you're doing it It's not like you're not doing it, but the inclusion. Okay, you're being to their definition of what they got as a left-leaning Organization Disney based on 80% their money going to Democrats which again as their position that they have while that's happening and They fired you afterwards. How many job offers you got? What calls you got? What calls stopped coming in? How did it directly impact you financially, lifestyle wise?

How dramatic was that? Oh, I was, you know, I was getting, you know, screeners. I was getting invited to auditions. I was meeting some of like the better directors. I was going to the red carpets. I was, you know, people were sending me stuff. I was just like there, you know, it was just happening for me. And it was so exciting. And on that moment, on February 10th, it just dropped. And the only phone call that came in,

well, one, the phone call that came in was from Dana White, which I've known him for a long time. And he texted me and he said, Hey, Ben Shapiro is trying to get a hold of you. And I was in bed just bawling. You know, I was just devastated. And, um, and uh, yeah, Ben Shapiro is the call that came in. Ben Shapiro is the call that came in. The only one. Yeah, by the way, do you want to know something crazy? Do you want to know something you played poker with Ben Shapiro? Can you do me but he is Lebanese can you do me a favor and

Pull this up. Let me tell you what the craziest shit. I just found can you do me favor and pull this time? You're going to flip out with this, specifically the way you and I look at the business and finances. Pull up, pull up what I just sent you right now on the link. This is pretty wild. So the firing happens February of 2021. Okay. Do you want to know the craziest data that's going to freaking blow you away? It's so awesome. Let me tell you how awesome this is. Pull this up, check this out. Do you know when Disney's valuation was the highest ever

in the history of its company? Go lower, go lower, go to the highest point right there. Look at that, go back a little bit, go back a little bit. February 2021 is when Disney was worth the most ever, $341 billion. Compared to where they are today, go to today's Disney's market cap. This is a little bit older. Go to Disney's, okay, right, they're $201 billion.

They lost $140 billion from the day they fired you. Wow. I know that's not funny. It kind of is. Is that not the craziest? You know what the market said? The market said financially after their five, how many busts did they have Rob just in 2023?

Flops, five of them? Yes, five that totaled around $100 million in losses. No, no, no, no. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. A billion dollars in losses. It was 900 million four, four flops, but the five is around a billion dollars. The most Disney was ever worth was right before they fired you. So maybe

it wasn't a good decision by Shepek. And when they did fire you, I grew up to come back. Okay, because now they're trying to kind of figure out a way to make it work. Tom, do you mind kind of just real quick, share a little bit on what's going on with Disney right now financially? I think it's very important now that we just shared this. What's the conditions of Disney right now financially with the reports that just came out? Well, over a five year period, the stock is basically at zero. So if you bought Disney five years ago, you went on a little bit of

a run and you're actually down 5%. So you've lost 5% over five years. So that's, that's not too good. That's not 10 years. That's like a near term horizon. And this week, just the other day, they put- By the way, you're saying five years, FYI. Four years from February 2020, if we go from February 2021 to today, three years. You know what the case is?

What's 140 billion on 340 billion? Let's kind of do that. Okay. Oh yeah. And if you jumped on the ride in the middle of it, it's been a bad experience. Well, let me do this. By the way, in the last three years, Disney has lost 41%. So if you put a million dollars in your million dollars today is 300 is what would it be $590,000 today three years later? That's minus 41. Go ahead, Tom. And to put it in trend, so a five year investor is disappointed. A three year investor has an axe in her at the front door.

Yeah. Yeah. The way it would go. So Disney's board of directors just puts out a letter and every company once a year puts out a letter talking about people, Hey, we're going to reelect our board members standard stuff. The first line of the letter the board has been laser focused on strategy that will drive shareholder value in other words stock price that's the first thing not nice to see you again wow what a year it's been sometimes the opening of these letters is a little bit fluffy because there's a little

bit of marketing in there. And it says, so we're going to restore our dividend that we declared in July. We're raising the dividend by 50%. So if you own a share of stock, you get a couple bucks from Disney as a dividend to be a shareholder. They're increasing it by 50%. That's called a bribe.

Disney says, and we're also buying back $3 billion of shares off the market. Why that? Because fewer shares on the market supply demand. It means the price should go up a little bit, but it's artificial. It's not being driven by a hit movie or great success. So we're going to do that. And the next thing is, and we promise you, promise you, we're reigning in cost so that we can cut $7. billion dollars of costs by the end of 2024. Is there anything in there about theme parks or movies or entertainment? Nope. That was all of the first two paragraphs. You get to the back, there's nothing about we're confident in our entertainment business. Future, so they're not selling the vision?

No, they're not selling. It's not bright at all. And then the last paragraph goes to war. Now, remember, there's a couple big investors, the Triane Group with Nelson Pills and the Blackwells, who are both saying, hey, we really think leadership is the issue because you're an entertainment company and we don't think you're very entertaining. That's an accurate statement. So we'd like to nominate some of our people to be on the board, to be the overseers to guide the ship.

And so they said, please know the Disney board of directors does not endorse the Triane group, specifically Nelson Pelles and Jay Rasulo, or the Blackwell nominees and believes they are unqualified to serve on our board and preserve value creation. Double dumb. Double dumb. That's what they do. So they do that and then they provide this little chart there's a chart on the back you if you're listening on Spotify you love chart see this this is a chart there are nine squares right do you have this or no okay keep going down there are nine squares on the chart and all and all of them are financial related to move the stock price

you know cash dividend 50 3 billion stock buyback the things they said in the letter you get down to the bottom And there's one box in the corner of the bottom We expect expect to reach profitability in our streaming business Q4 24 and I'm also by the way We're gonna do a 60 billion dollar 10-year investment in our theme parks and cruise ships and We're gonna put more decision making authority with creative teams, that's all they say. But there's nothing in here that we're excited

about the movies in the front. And they brag about Academy Award nominations, but there's nothing in it about box office, nothing in it. At the same moment, this is called funny, the same moment on February 26th. So what do you get as a shareholder there Pat? You sit there and read this and you go, well, what are you doing about the movies?

You've had all these movie flaps and losses. You're not talking about that in your shareholder letter. What the hell? Well, at the same moment, literally the same day, within an hour, they announce, Sean Bailey, who has overseen live action movies of Disney, is stepping down.

He will leave the company. We are re- From the Supra. We are, this is Wall Street Journal. You've got Sean Bailey stepping down, Wall Street Journal, and it was literally two hours after the shareholder. There it is. Disney head of live action movie to step, this is not a lightweight guide that's stepping

down. No, basically what they're doing is, what they couldn't say in the shareholder letter is that they have a strategy and they've got traction and things are going with movie. They can't say it. So instead what do they do? They chop off somebody's head and they throw the bloody body into the street. Sorry to be graphic, Gina. No, it happened to me too, so don't worry. Yeah, it's a fighter, Tom. She could take it. I got thrown into the street. Yeah. Exterior day, bloody executive roles in street. Yeah. Fade in, fade in. It's a simple, it's a financial scene.

So he said Bailey would be succeeded by David Greenbaum and then he talked about, he was at Searchlight Pictures and we're also going to combine two positions and the new, newly created role of combined studio group leader. So that's an hour later. And then the Wall Street Journal, who has had enough of this crap, comes out and writes an article on Jay Rasulo. You know one of the guys that one time, that one right there. Yep. Meet the former show this to the audience. So it's in there. And remember, this is one of the guys that they say are unqualified to sort of Disney's board. Jay Rasulo worked at Disney.

He worked with Michael Eisner. He was part of Eisner's strategic planning team. He was a former CFO. He was a former CFO. Which means he knows all the numbers. That's exactly right. And he was brought by Eisner from Burbank to lead parks. He launched parks over in France,

learned to speak French in two years so he could speak fluently with the team Crushed the returns over 2,000 percent return back to where you were at run Disney Europe And wait what is that J's J? Rassoulou recalls meeting with a high-ranking Communist Party official on the trip to not to give up J Keep knocking at the gate Someday it will open. What? He also spent time going around the world for Disney to open doors and he apparently had a dinner

with a Communist Party official said, hey, about being CEO of Disney, keep knocking at the gate, someday it will open. Now, Eisner retires and Iger comes in and Iger says, look, I like you as CFO, I don't like you as COO. And that's, that's it. We're done here. He said, be my CFO. And Rasulo came back a couple months later, a month later actually, and said, I'm sorry, I'm not going to do this anymore. So he leaves and Rasulo, you know, they throw a quote out when, by the way, when Trienne group recruits him to be on the board they throw out this

Disney spokesman and later it was I grew was I didn't say that that is a position of the company so a little bit of a went there in our view Jay Rasulo's analog perspective is not relevant to the challenges of today's digital world so they're trying to make him seem like old school unformed, no, no, no. It's not like he was making movies in the 60s. This guy is a CFO who knows where the bodies are buried and he knows how the math adds up. And so, look at this guy. Why is that scary for Disney?

He's killed nine trees, just letting you know. But go ahead Tom. Why should Disney be worried today, Tom? Because if Triangroup and their proxy get on there, why would Disney, inside Disney, get work? First of all, it's not just Nelson Pellets. There's two guys, both of them are billion. One guy's worth four billion.

The other guy's worth one and a half billion. They got a lot of influence. They're sitting there saying, what the hell are you doing with this company now? We're losing money. It's not doing the kind of numbers it was doing. You're forgetting who your customers are. Parents that are wanting to take their kids to movies,

to watch a movie. Kids are not your customers are, parents that are wanting to take their kids to movies, to watch a movie. Kids are not your customers, it's parents. Why are you pissing off parents who don't want to take the kids to movies? For us, Tom, when we go to movies, you know what's the first thing Tico does? I'll say, Tico, go look up, what's the app, a Fandango. Go see what movies are out.

Tico will say, that it's probably gonna be movies that we don't wanna take the kids to. Tico's 12 years old when he says something movies that we don't want to take the kids to. Tico's 12 years old when he says something like this, okay? He'll go, now I'm being serious, you've been around Tico to know who he is. I know. Yeah, so he'll say no, we're not, no we can't do this and he'll go look at the score. No, there's another LG, there's a trans character here, there's a this character here. Even kids are starting to write, I just want a regular flip in movies movie stop trying to brainwash me. This isn't working. So at what point at what point will Disney realize this shit's not working? They got to change. I think they know it right now. And I think they're scared

to death that Blackwell or Trion is going to get somebody on the board. That's why they're trying to bribe shareholders. Those guys, everything's okay. We're buying back $3 billion of shares. We're going to give you a bigger dividend. It's okay. That's why they're trying to bribe shareholders. Everything's okay, we're buying back $3 billion of shares, we're gonna give you a bigger dividend. It's okay, it's okay, stick with us, stick with us. Soon as those guys are in there, that basically everybody behind the curtain knows it's not working, it's just people are not strong enough to stand up to Kathleen Kennedy and the creatives

that wanna take a certain creative path. The minute these guys are on the board, all kinds of hell is going to break loose, and a lot of people are going to lose, are going to lose out, and there's going to be massive revolutions. Question for both of you guys. And Iger goes from the ride of a lifetime to riding a turd, you know, it's basically what he's got in terms of performance right now. I got your time. So I got a question for you. So, and this is for you as well, since you're on the inside, you work with them. Who do you think has more influence in Disney?

There's this book that John Maxwell wrote, I think it's 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership. One of the things he talks about is the law of E.F. Hutton, that back in the days, E.F. Hutton was the guy he'd be in the room, and a main guy is the main decision maker, but the main guy would always say, hey, E.F. Hutton, what do you think about it?

Okay, good, bones, okay, got it. So, hey, so what do you think about it? So eventually people realize that's the influence. He's going to EF Hutton to see what EF has to say. Like for, for Buffett was Charlie Munger, right? For everybody, there's somebody they go and say, what do you think? And that person is very influential person. Who has got more influence at Disney? Do you think it's Kathleen Kennedy or do you think it's Iger? Well, what I think in my perspective, what happened is I think that these companies are so afraid of making maybe previous mistakes. And so they try to hire younger, maybe people with less life experience and they want to stay current and up to date and ahead of the times.

And so then they start, you know, they've got the assistance and they've got, they flood their companies with people who maybe have never even left the United States and never been somewhere and actually realized how wonderful we really do have it here. And I think that the, it's a game of telephone really that just starts crawling up the ladder But then I also think you know this is Star Wars is these problems have been happening for a long time You can't take that responsible responsibility away from the leadership and you can't take that you know on the Disney side And the Lucasfilm side, so I don't know how it all works. You know is is Catherine Kennedy She's obviously needs to be held responsible responsible Lucas film because she's been the leader and then

You know on the other side, I think they're they're both responsible But but who do you think has more I'm looking at if you pull up Kathleen Kennedy the work She's done by the way. I thought you were saying Kathleen Kennedy is young I think you were talking about the assistant because yeah, like the people that they hired I think that they were like and I think they're they're just listening and they're trying to be forward, but they didn't realize they were, or maybe they did realize that, you know, or it either way, it's either that way or it's the opposite way. Like they're hiring a bunch of people they can control.

And which makes sense. By the way, just to give her credit on what she's worked on. Ready? This is Kathleen Kennedy thinks she's been the executive producer on Gremlins holter guys back to the future the Goonies Fandango American tail, okay back to the future to dad Tommy trouble I don't know what the hell that is Gremlins to an American Three yeah an American tale crazy Cape Fear and the Sun Schindler's list she was the executive producer on Schindler's list Wow, so she you know Jurassic Park lost words signs terrible movie

Must have been a sign. I watched it. I watched discovered Pat It was a 24 month period I went back and I read about her bio. In a 24-month period, she went from ET to Indiana Jones to kick off her career as a frontline, top-line producer. She did Munich, Tom. She did the color purple. That was later.

But those 24 months when everybody in Hollywood said, who is this woman, it was ET and Indiana Jones in a 24-month period. Talk about box office, talk about merchandising, talk about good grief. Indiana Jones is a permanent ride. You know, there's all these things that happen. And the rest of her career, she proved that that was no fluke. So she's a professional in the industry, but that- Does she have more influence than Bob Igerd? That's what I want to know.

Well, I think she probably does now. and that was the point that South Park made in their parody, and all the voices in Hollywood. I mean, Trey Parker has been slightly conservative for a while, and he came out with that South Park evidently, the Pander Dome, right? And all the whispers in Hollywood goes, yeah, that's the way it really is. And that's what I was noting, not the fact that there was a parody, but all those voices were like, yeah, you know, that's kind of the way it works there. What did you think about when you saw the South Park joining the pandiverse?

Oh, well, I did have a tweet about it. A long one. Yeah. You know, I was like, well, this is what's gonna happen next. This is what I went through, basically. Yeah, I mean, it was kind of refreshing to know that people can see exactly what my experience was, and they're sitting there making fun of it,

which I think, you know, humor is positive. It was nice. It was nice to, I felt a little vindicated. And just going off of what you said, from everything that you've gone through, from the BLM stuff, come to find out, George Sorrell's back, it was a scam, they stole all this money, ridiculous, right? The trend thing, we're seeing more and more that it's like more of a mental thing, these people are, they have mental issues, a lot of them are doing mass shootings now,

so now that's a whole different situation. And then the Disney, you're watching, you leave, they lose $100 billion, because that whole thing, does it kind of feel good inside? Like not necessarily vindication, but kind of feel good inside like that? Not necessarily vindication, but it must feel good inside your heart of hearts that you stuck to your guns And you were right this entire time does that feel it feels um, you know I I feel like I've been in the desert for the last couple years and that hasn't felt good

but the part that does feel good is the I Am honest and I am clear and my heart is good. And I was coming from a good place and that was very obvious. And I think that, you know, so many people were watching what happened to me and they say, this is an innocent person here that you're destroying. You're, you're going above and beyond to destroy this person. Um, and I think that's why my case has had such an impact because it was so obvious. It was just so in your face. So for the last couple years, it's been, it's been a desert

and it's been hard, but it's okay to go through the desert because then I got an email after I just realized, okay, maybe my life is going to be living in the desert now. And I got an email after I just realized, okay, maybe my life is gonna be living in the desert now. And I got an email from an attorney that said that they were representing X and that they'd like to look through my case. And I was like, what a great phone call from getting out, yeah, from John Favreau to now a lawyer from X going,

I think we have something. Well, they didn't know what I had. They said, I want to look at what you have. And there's just been such, you know, my life has been riddled with such incredible moments like that. I mean, incredible director Stephen Soderbergh picked me up from fighting and gave me an awesome, awesome opportunity.

You know, John Favreau, incredible human being, amazing mentor and really started finding my stride and acting. Ben Shapiro helped me out and just, he just took the sting off of it, right? Like, I didn't take the cancellation away. We tried to really like puff up and say, you know, it's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. And it was a door open, but as far as me, I'm still very much in the desert. Um, and then here comes Elon Musk. And I'm just like, who does this happen to? Yeah.

I'm just like, there's real men in the world that, um, have opened doors for me that, um, it's just made my life. So for, for him to do this and X to do this for me is it already has lifted this thousand pound, you know, beast off of my chest because whether I wanted it or not, I was carrying around the shame of being fired. Nobody wants to be fired.

And so I was carrying around whether I was trying to like put on the brave face. I was carrying around the shame and it was affecting my, me physically. It's been affecting me mentally. And then when I got that email, I responded like within three hours. And I'm like, I don't care if I seem eager right now. I said, yes, I would love to speak with you. And then I got on the phone with them and they're told him what happened.

Told him my story. They said, could you send us some stuff stuff I just sent them everything that I had and they ended up speaking with X and Elon and explaining the story and they really believe that we have an awesome. Oh by the way I mean this is what you're telling the story you know you know you know when you're asking a question do you feel vindicated yeah you know what's the thing you know okay so let's just say you get money fine that's one thing but you know what's the thing? You know, okay, so let's just say you get money. Fine. That's one thing. But you know what's annoying? It's like, you're have such momentum,

you're peaking and you take you want to work like the what is the purpose of money without me creating something, being part of something, it's so frustrating when you're at your peak and you're not able to create build. You got stuff that's going on at your best. Like that is so annoying. When I'm working and it always puts my dad in tears. It's the only time I see him in tears is when I'm working,

I am at my best because I'm consistent and I, you know, diet's consistent, work is consistent, my health, my mental health. And that's also why I was speaking out about the lockdowns too, because you get a bus driver who's been, you know, driving a bus for 30 years and might have an addiction problem, and you're going to shove them at home and stick them with like all this reality of at home, and then he's going to start drinking again. And now we've got alcoholism and now we've got deaths everywhere.

So as an artist, I know what it's like to not work. And it's, it's, it's a, we need to work as humans, you know, um, and it's really hard to kind of create your own work, which is what I'm doing now, finally. But I mean, it was, it was devastating. That's the part that's for us. I want to read this because the story comes out February 6th, this year, Gina Carano sues Disney over Mandalorian

firing in lawsuit funded by Elon Musk. This is the Hollywood Reporter. She initiates you a lawsuit against Disney and Lucas Films alleging discrimination and wrongful termination stating, my words were consistently twisted to demonize and dehumanize me as an alt-right wing extremist. Karana Contents was fired for her cultural and religious beliefs accusing Disney of ignoring offensive posts made by male co-stars and seeks a court order that would force Lucas Films to recast a role with at least a $75,000 in damages that's chump

changed to them. Elon Musk's ex-corp funds, Karana's lawsuit reflecting a broader debate on free speech and corporate influence as Karana's case underscores tensions over online expression with Musk's pledging to support user facing discrimination saying, I'm honored that my case has been chosen to be supported by the company that has been one of the last glimmers of hope for free speech. And then a couple of days later Forbes writes about this as well, Musk's rages against Disney's DEI Gestapo

and doubles down on the crusade in a series of posts on X. He published that, what he claimed is Disney's DEI Gestapo and doubles down on the Crusade. In a series of posts on X, he published that, what he claimed is Disney's full set of DEI standards and guidelines on how to achieve their must savage the guidelines which he describes as laws, as racist, sexist and discriminatory. And a likely reason why most of the media, Giants content from the past few years has sucked. The billionaire has set the guidelines

where laborally vile and claim merely navigating the DEI minefield will crush the creative process. It crushes the creative spirit of someone who just wants to make great art, which is what we just talked about. Musk said in a response to a post from the Libs of Tic-Tac, a popular and influential account known for its inflammatory posts

and incidiary rhetoric against liberals, which often targets LGBTQ people. Now keep in mind, this is Forbes. So Forbes has to play through the DI score. Without providing any evidence, Musk says the company's diversity program unenforced by Disney's DI Gestapo, referencing Nazis, Germany, feared secret police,

infamous for deploying brutal tactics and torture to support resistance. It must feel good that you got the most powerful media billionaire, wealthiest guy, modern-day Ironman back in Europe. Well, it was the only way it was going to happen. I had to move out of Hermosa Beach. I had to move out of LA. I. I had to move out of LA. I had paparazzi knowing where I lived.

I had stalkers. I didn't live in a gated community. I was very much in danger where I was at. So I sold the house, bought an RV, traveled across 25 states, and thought I was going to end up in Nashville with a daily wire. Didn't love them, but just wasn't my, just not where I ended up. And then I went up to Montana when we shot Tara on the Prairie,

and I fell in love with it. I fell in love with the freedom. I felt like I could breathe. I could see the big sky. Big sky country. And I just felt like this is where I belong. This is where I feel safe. Yeah, so, yeah.

That's great. So how far are you guys right now with the lawsuit? Um, well, I'm not very good at the lawyer stuff, but I believe they have a certain amount of time to respond. They be in Disney. Yeah, they have a certain amount of time to respond to the case. And, you know, that could be a number of different ways, I guess. Oh, it's something at that magnitude too, because you nailed it. Like your career, you're on a rocket ship. They're going to have to take an account of everything

that you have missed, especially with your trajectory. So I mean, like Don LeMond just got 25 million from CNN for like a three-year contract. This is going to be something to where the farm that you have, you're going to buy llamas. You're going to have so many animals on this farm. Gina, it's going to be something to where the farm that you have, you're going to buy llamas, you're going to have, you're going to have so many animals on this farm. Gina, it's going to be great. Well, I, you know, I haven't actually even thought, and this is to be very frank, I haven't

thought about that because I, I feel like right now I'm playing, um, an important part and that, you know, this, I do believe that's what happened happening to me right now is like a God given, uh, gift. And I, um know, this, I do believe that's what happened, happening to me right now is like a God given gift. And I, so whatever happens, I feel that there's a purpose in this. Whether it's to let people know that they're not alone, cause so many people felt alone during those last four years. I love that you said that too,

cause you were in the, you were in the desert. Like God put you in that desert and you're getting to the water, which I think is freaking, it's so gum, so happy for you. And you know, sometimes justice doesn't happen the way we want it to. We think, okay, justice, you know, and when I was in the desert, I was like, oh man, where's I see other people getting justice where, you know, am I going to get justice? And then finally, when I just kind of gave it over and I was like, okay, God, you know, it's yours. And then about like a week later, that's when the X email came in. So I was like, okay, well, then I'm not going to think about what's going to happen.

How people are going to react. I think that I would love, you know, I would love, I want people to be happy. I want people to you know, I would love, I want people to be happy, I want people to come together, I want them to see each other as human. Like we are actually, when we are together, you know, on the internet everybody's a tough guy. But when you get with people and you're sitting in, you know, middle seat of an airplane, you know,

you could have all sorts of different views and all sorts of different cultures in Europe, you know, not how you would be on the internet. So that's where I'd want us to get somehow. Yeah, as your case unfolds, what's very interesting, I've been trying to read little bits and you can't really find a full legal analyst breakdown, except there are comments that are out there, Pat, that point out that when press releases are made by companies Further quarterly reports and announcements So it's usually come through a group called investor relations and lawyers are looking at every word of the press release

Because you can get sued for putting out incorrect financial information or speculating that moves the stock market The PR group is usually the ones and by the way investor relation also handles Pat The PR group is usually the ones that, and by the way, investor relations also hand us Pat statements made by the CEO because the CEO's voice can move the stock. On the other hand, marketing and PR have usually been, if you read about it, the thorn in the side of investor relations because they put a press release out too quick or too impulsively and it comes through marketing, corporate communications, and PR. You have investor-relation people and lawyers that usually run screaming down the hall, what did you just put out?

In this case, Pat, when you look at those words that we're saying, they came through marketing and corporate PR. We read that, what Disney said there, And that is gonna come home to roost, because Disney is probably fearing two things right now. One, they fear discovery, because every text message, every email internally that talked about this is gonna come out in public in this case. Number one.

Number two, to avoid that, Pat, Disney has to openly file with the judge and say, we'd like all corporate communications to be sealed. Well, the minute Disney does that, it only takes one or two conservative news outlets, say, gee, why would you want all the stuff sealed that's coming out in court? Why would that be? If they... They don't want that. That's right. Of course they don't want that. If they settle, it's an admission of guilt with a check. That's right.

If they don't settle, it's public embarrassment with all these emails and stuff that are coming out at a time when DEI is getting serious pushback. Yeah. It's no win for Disney right now. I really, really am happy that this happened because I want professionals to look at this. I want professionals in the movie and Disney

and I want them to come through it and I want them to look at this. I want professionals in the film and Disney and I want them to come through it. And I want them to come through their own emails and emails that I was sending. And I want them to take a good, hard look internally at what happened here. Like I'm not afraid of that. I want that to happen so that I'm thinking things can get better for the people, the employees and the company and every division. And I'm like, I, I, I'm happy that they're, I'm happy those lawyers. I mean, can you imagine these lawyers are like,

oh my gosh, beep bop boop. This is what you took away a 20 year career for, is this right here. And it's like, you can imagine these lawyers are like, oh my gosh, like who? Oh, if it goes to trilogy, you know how funny that'd be if you just see that beep bop boop and it's like you can imagine these lawyers are like oh my gosh like who oh if it goes to trilogy now funny That'd be if you just see that beep-bop boop and it's like that right there and you guys destroyed her pay up That's so funny

Yeah, like those three words. I'm really not that controversial. You know, I just um I was speaking out at a time that People were afraid to speak Who fears Kathleen Kennedy? Who fears Kathleen Kennedy? Who fears Kathleen Kennedy? I mean producers that want to be green light. I think anybody who I I don't think it's just Kathleen Kennedy I think it's the Disney and Lucasfilm name. So once you have Lucasfilm or Disney that name on your team, on your resume, then your whole world opens up. So I think it was Scarlett Johansson that said

once that, you know, I do these bigger films so that I can do my passionate, you know, independent projects, which actually Scarlett Johansson had a lawsuit and a settlement with Disney as well for mistreatment or breach of contract, which was different. Being deceived on release dates and streaming rights. It's like factual that they did that she was dead right. And I think Emma Stone actually had something that she was upset about as well.

And so there's a history of this happening of mistreatment. So I think, you know, why wouldn't, There's a history of this happening, of mistreatment. So I think, you know, why wouldn't, I don't know what these meetings go like in Disney, but why wouldn't somebody just sit down and at least look at my case and be like, look, look at the stock, look what happened, look at the date, look at the effect that it's had on people. Let's make the situation right.

You know, they're so good at trying to tell me how to apologize, exactly the words to say, I didn't make the situation right. You know, they're, they're so good at trying to tell me how to apologize exactly with the words to say I didn't use the right words. I wasn't apologetic enough. How does this company who obviously saw a smear campaign happening to me and did not step in? How do they not know? And how can they not show everyone we're going to do what's right, at least in this case, we're gonna do what's right, we're gonna make it right. Has that conversation even been brought up of how they can do that?

I wish I could be a mouse in that room of like how, have they even, have they thought of it? Same thing, yeah. Same thing, you know, like with Johnny Depp, right? It's just Amber Heard does her thing. Everybody, they let him go. Everybody jumps, they love to eat their own and make an example without taking, two things.

Taking a second and finding out, hearing everybody's story, but just destroying people, just like that, destroying your life. Because as much as people want to say, he's vindicated and everything, but people, the other side still looks at him and goes, you abusive beating, they still, even though he won, they still are gonna see you like that.

Like you're gonna have that for the rest of your life. You're gonna have people go up to you and be like, you hate black people, you hate Jewish people, and they don't care about the truth side of it. They just see you and that's it. And that was one of the most painful parts is I'd always go in Hermosa Beach to the Smiths, I think it was there.

And I'd always go to, I forget his name now, but this black man and we'd always talk about ribs and we'd always kind of like compare because I always want to find out how to cook the best ribs. And we had the best relationship. And then when I was canceled, it's the first time I was okay with wearing a mask. It was like I felt like How am I going to go in here? And he's gonna see all these headlines and I don't know how to tell him

This isn't true. I don't know how to tell him and it hurt me so bad and he did he came up to me He's like Gina. What are they saying here? Like and he was confused. And I was like in tears and the grocery store just like, I don't know how to tell you all of this is lies. And I'm so sorry, you know, um, and it killed me. And the thing is these big companies in Disney knows you'll cancel someone, you'll put them in the desert and, you know, they'll suffer and people will forget about it. And their company will go up and down, that person's career once you've done something and made that kind of statement about them will suffer forever.

And you know Johnny Depp is a powerful enough person that he's able to you know make a comeback. Yeah. I was at the tip of my breaking point and it is due to the people keeping my case relevant. It is due to God blessing me with the opportunity to keep it relevant and incredible people and men and women that are supporting me all around the world. When you think about Lucasfilm, that's very important to share now because at the end of the day when you are going through times like this,

you, you, as one source you can always rely on, which has got, you know, everybody at this table is at the same page with you. Tom, with Lucasfilms and Gina, who runs it now? Does George Lucas still have any influence or is it all Kathleen Kennedy? It's Kathleen Kennedy and also this gentleman that they've just named who's going to be ahead of the... Dave Filoni. Dave Filoni? In the reorg that left Mr. Bailey laying in the street it's it's there's the green field and green bomb and those are the two guys that now control both sides of the movies according to the reorg. So according to the reorg, those are the guys that are now in charge of it and it's a combined position. You made a very interesting and good point.

I'll go back to real quick. You say who and to Pat's question, who's afraid? The answer is everyone in Hollywood is afraid because they want the Disney-Lucas thing on their resume. And what you said is, if you, Scarlett Johansson said, I wanna do the bigs and stay big enough so that I can do my passion project. And if Ben Affleck didn't have a career as Ben Affleck, the world never gets Argo.

Which won Academy Awards. Yeah, exactly. And it took him and was he, Matt Damon was also a producer on that? I'm not sure. But they've been buddies and they worked apparently for almost 10 years to get that thing greenlit. So Pat, everybody wants the bigs and they want the big resume,

just like executives want the big logos on LinkedIn so that they can later in life go do all the things that they want. Let me read to you what Natalie Portman said, which I like. Natalie Portman on the decline of film amid the age of social media and influencers. This is from The Hollywood Reporter. This is five days ago. Natalie Portman reflects on a change in the last camp of Hollywood, noting the decline

in the prominence of film as a primary form of entertainment, particularly among younger generation. The striking thing has been the decline of film. If you ask someone, my kid's age, about movie stars, they don't know anyone compared to YouTube stars or whatever. Portman acknowledges the dual nature of this industry's shift.

There is a liberation to it. Powerful that she's saying this because she's part of the establishment. You can really explore what's interesting to you. It becomes much more about passion than about commerce. Portland recognizes the democratization of creativity, facilitated by social media. There's also been democratization of creativity where gatekeepers, hence these names we're talking about have been demoted and

Everyone can make things. It's pretty wild that you also feel like at the same time More people than ever might see or weird art film because of this extraordinary access so have social media and Content creators the mr. Beast of the world are people sitting the next generation is gonna like, I don't give a shit about kind of movies you're making because they're shitty anyways. Why am I sitting here watching your stuff? I'm going a complete different direction. Are these guys long term sitting there worried about what average day to day content creators are going to do to them?

Just like what the podcasters of the world, Joe Rogan getting 11 million views per podcast where these guys are national TV, they're being saved simply by seniors who watch the news, sports and big pharma. Do you see that happening with YouTube stars and Hollywood? I think it's already happening and to use, to coin a phrase, you know, we've seen it in industry before in the late 1970s the US automakers were dinosaurs and they didn't know it. And the Japanese brought quality efficiency, low-cost cars, and more importantly, you know, fuel efficiency, right? And they didn't even know they were dinosaurs. And they had to retool everything and they almost died. Chrysler did die and was brought back from the dead by the federal government. I think these guys, similarly, there is a meteor that is already passing by the moon coming

toward Earth where all the dinosaurs die. You know, if you believe the theory that the meteor hits Earth and all the dinosaurs died. I think it's happening. I think like, if you see what I mean, the meteor is passing the moon. And these folks, I think know it. They're losing control.

They've lost distribution. They're desperately trying to keep theater chains in business. COVID came at exactly the wrong time, because theater chains almost died. And so that's distribution. It's a streaming world. And once it becomes an all streaming world and you don't have the theater experience, guess what?

Anything can go there and Netflix and everybody else will put you on the library. And if social media can get you popular and people start clicking on it and then tell their friends guess what the old gatekeeper I make the movie I will tell United Art cinemas what my launch window be I'm the fourth of July window everybody else out of the way that was the way those deals went Pat well correct that's what's happening I one of the first emails that I I mean I remember being really irritating me was,

oh, by the way, they're asking if you would unfollow these couple accounts. And they were YouTubers who had been very critical of the new Star Wars movies and some Disney. Who's they? PR people? The PR people were saying that these people didn't have nice things to say about Catherine Kennedy

And that they would like me to unfollow these accounts because I was very engaged in interacting with these people I was new to Star Wars so I was excited about like you know I wanted to learn as much as possible So who else to learn from the fans that have been with me on following it all of these years Was this your PR or agent PR on the outside or is this corporate PR on the inside? That was corporate. That makes sense.

So it's not really the PR from it. It's really Kathleen Kennedy telling corporate PR to tell you. They're telling me unfollow these accounts. And so of course, you don't want to rock the boat. I don't like to. So I was like, oh, OK, OK. And then I did it.

And I kept on following these people. And it just made me look. When you tell somebody not to do something, they're like, wait, what? And. And then I did it and I kept on following these people and it just made me look, when you tell somebody not to do something, they're like, wait, what? And so you keep on looking, you keep on looking and you just think, I should be able to follow who I wanna follow on my own social media account.

And these heads of companies, the biggest companies in the world, should understand that, it's almost like they went in and they just threw away to some of these fans, they just bombed their, you know, dreams and their, you know, their Star Wars. And so they're upset about it. And then to go and tell the actors and the producers and the directors and people, hey, these people are racist, these people are this and smear these YouTubers who they're human beings, they're not going to be perfect, but

they're genuine critics, whereas rotten tomatoes is getting paid off by studios and that's been proven. So we're actually excited about the YouTubers, you know, genuine thoughts and feelings on stuff. And I love watching them grow into more professional, well spoken, seeing all sides of the, you know, the coin here. But that didn't sit well with me. So I didn't, I didn't unfollow these accounts. And I think that, you know, that was probably, well, why didn't she unfollow them? Well, because I, I've been criticized, they they criticized me I think at some point and instead of instead of shunning them I engaged with them I joked with

them you know like I feel like these are not cruel people they just have felt betrayed by the things that they absolutely give their entire like you walk into a Star Wars fans house and they have rooms rooms of just memorabilia line yeah it's very weird. And spent thousands of dollars to support this thing. And then Gina, just from you saying that, how crazy is that, that, that Disney has people literally monitoring, not what you're posting, who you're following. That's a job of somebody to go and be up, no, and that's, that's pretty, pretty weird.

Don't you think? Mon fioso, right? Yeah, it is. It's, that's pretty, pretty weird. Don't you think? It's aggressive. And I think, you know, these people aren't difficult, you know, have them to set, have them come to a set, have them see the inside, you know, educate people, you know, I think that education is wonderful and interaction is a beautiful thing. So that's the direction I took. And just by simply engaging with these people, they were like, oh, you know, cool.

We might not believe in everything that she believes in, but she's cool. She's solid, all right, let's move on. So I just, I think YouTubers, I think, you know, it's completely shifted. I think we're, it's getting exposed. Like the rotten tomatoes, did you hear about that story? The studios were paying them for the reviews that they want.

For like five. Weird, yeah, weird. And then we will go watch the movie and we're like, wait, wait a minute. They lied to us. You see the audience score now. Yeah, exactly. It's like, what?

It doesn't make any sense. I never trust their score. Now we're forcing people to be actual. Even audience score. Yeah, exactly. What is it? So there has been happening for years. A PR firm named Bunker 15 is said to have paid as much

as $50 for single rotten tomato Review the payments which aren't typically disclosed are usually given to obscure critics who happen to be part of a pool tract By rock can you click on that and go a little bit deeper into the story? I've never trusted their reviews ever Zoom okay. I can't even read that. That's so tiny. I can't read that. So You don't worry about it. See if there's another story, like there says a little bit more about it. There's Vulture, she'll has a gap.

So anyways. And there's another thing that's happening. Sorry not to interrupt you. There's another thing that's happening is I believe that, you know, these, and I actually from experience, cause I thought, okay, this is gonna be a massive blowout with this announcement. And so we're interviewing publicists, right?

There's a thing called crisis publicist that was the funniest. It was the funniest meeting because I was like, I'm ready for this shit storm, right? I'm just ready for it. And this really brilliant smart woman got on the phone and she's like, yes, you definitely need this when this breaks. It's going to be like this. And what we can do is we can manipulate Google and we can manipulate all of the stuff. And I, and I was like, oh, I was like, oh, so you guys are doing that. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And I was like, wait, this is kind of feeling weird, you know, and she's like, oh, yeah. And we do all of this sorts of really cool tricks that we have. And then I was like, oh yeah, and we do all of this sorts of really cool tricks that we have. And then I was like, oh, okay, well, you know, because I've had a bad history with publicists now. And I was like, what is your environment of your business? Is it like politically are they okay with freedom of speech and thought? And she said, well, I won't lie to you. We're mostly 80% Democrat out of New York.

And I was like, oh, okay. Okay. And then she said the funniest thing. And I, she, you know, I laughed for crying, laughing for a minute or straight on the phone with her. And I was like, okay, so who are your clients? And she said, we got anybody from George Soros. Oh no.

To this other, whoever, no, I didn't know the other name. And I cried laughing and I was like, just like, I can't know what to do with this government. Anthony Weiner, you're like, really? George Soros, by the way. That's the name. That's who you pick? Yeah.

I can't. Oh my God. I had a call, if you remember, we had a call with this one girl. And she's saying, I said, so listen, I've hired a different PR firms before. But this is what we stand for. We love capitalism. We're this, we're this, we're that.

I said, what are you? She said, well, I have to tell you, we're probably not a fit for you. I said, that's great to know up from because I don't want to pay 20 grand a month. And then you realize afterwards, we represent Leo. We represent this. We represent George Clooney. At least she was open about it.

The fact that that's who we are. I like her. Yeah, I love that. I really liked her a lot. I really liked her a lot. It was just the fact that, yeah, I know that the George Soros name was just like, nope. Because basically in my opinion, and it's just an opinion you know if you've got a client like George Soros he basically owns you.

There's no question about it. So I mean if you know maybe there's a different company or a different person that they would have said I was like you literally said the name that you know you're you're not running your own company you're responding to anything that he wants because if he becomes upset then you know. Yeah you're out. And she was like by the way can you send me the complaint? wanting to anything that he wants because if he becomes upset, then you know, yeah, you're out. And she was like, by the way, can you send me the complaint? And I was like, no, no, absolutely no need for that. You know, I have to say, and I, you know, when she watches this, you know, you're a hustler, I appreciate your hustle and I appreciate,

you know, you, you're a strong, intelligent woman. Transitioning into a couple other stories, by the way, Ryan Reynolds, the names you've worked with, how was it working with Ryan Reynolds? How's it working with some of these other guys that you work with? Oh, Ryan Reynolds is just brilliant. He's a, you know, comedic genius. He can rattle off jokes that will have the entire, you know, all of the crew just like busting up in tears

and like you see like the camera shaking and they have to like redo it because he is just so brilliant and who's even more brilliant than him. Sorry Ryan, but is his wife. She's amazing. I love her. Leigh is, she sat down next to me at our cast dinner. She was so kind and she just had a baby and the baby was up in the room and she, it was really funny because, you know, she had dinner and then she went back up and Ryan said, this is what my wife sent me.

And so he was flipping through and it was like, baby picture, baby picture, baby picture. And then it was like cow balls. What the hell? I love that. So she's just brilliant. She's an absolute fashion icon. I absolutely adore her.

She texted me while I was in Vancouver shooting and she said, if you want me to show you around just a complete kind. How long ago was that? Well, when was Deadpool? That was a while ago. That was a while ago. I mean and I haven't heard from them since but but beautiful beautiful memories. I love his work and

I have to you know Roman what do you call a romance romance movies what's the name for there's a name for Rom-Com Rom-Com or whatever I just hate saying that Rom-Com Rom-Com is comedy, right? Is that romance comedy? No, no, I'm talking about like a notebook. What do you call that? That's called the what? That's drama. Is that drama?

Yeah. Okay. I have watched her Blake Lively in Age of Adeline starting the 41 minute mark where they pick up the sister and he makes a comment saying, don't worry, my sister doesn't use a cell phone. She just graduated from UC Berkeley where they make that joke and you ever seen this movie age of Adelaide? I'm gonna be dead no and I'm sure Vinnie from 41 minute mark your body's gonna have the chills what a freaking sick movie and she crushes it in this movie so you don't know what the movie's about

I'm gonna I'm watching a movie I seen it, but it was one of those, I wasn't paying too much attention to it. Oh my God. But I followed her career, and I look up to her as an actress, and she is one of our classic beauties. She's a beast. Was she in the town?

Was she Ben Affleck's girlfriend? Yes, and she was phenomenal. Wow, I just realized that. She's a monster, by the way. She's was phenomenal. Wow, I just realized that. She's a monster by the way. She's probably one of the top, one of the best right now at it. I don't know how much work she's doing right now. And her husband, Ryan Reynolds is.

I think it's hard. What I think it's hard when you marry an actor, a famous male actor, I think it's hard for the female actors. I think it's hard for them to, I mean, I dated a famous actor once and, you know, people treat you like, oh yeah, you're just the, you're just the flavor of the month. But I'm like, oh gosh, I didn't know I was going to get that energy.

How was he by the way? Tell me about Henry Cavill, right? Was he pretty? Oh, he's beautiful. Yeah, he's wonderful. Personality. He gives me the vibes that just a very cool cat. He's a professional he's

he's just Passionate I'd say So what was happening with him and I don't know the details because you know It's been a while since I've spoken to him, but very nice terms You know, I think he's just so passionate. Like, you know, I'm Batman versus Superman. You've got, um, you've got, well, Zack Snyder, who is amazing. I met him in person.

He's a super Batman fan, right? Well, you've got, uh, Ben Affleck's got the writer. And so Henry's over here. Like, well, we got to get some, you know, we want to make sure that we don't forget about Superman. And so, you know, we want to make sure that we don't forget about Superman. And so, you know, he, he was such a wonderful Superman. And he loved that more than anything. Did you guys date when he was Superman? I didn't know he was Superman. It hadn't come out yet. Okay. So actually, it was really funny. I didn't know who I thought he was an acting coach when we

started dating and get out of here. Well, because, yeah. Yeah, it was like, and then I was like, oh, you're an actor. And then I, you know, he wasn't Superman at that time. Yeah, he wasn't big yet. I mean, Henry's been Henry for a minute now. Yeah, I, yeah. But he was... How did you guys meet?

Well, I walked into a sushi restaurant and Dwayne Johnson's stunt or security who is a lovely person, Ben Blankenship. And I had just been on the phone with my agent and I was like, I need an acting coach. You know, this is my second movie and I need help, you know. And so I walked in and I'm really always friends with the stunt.

So I was with the stunt team and Henry was in there with Dwayne Johnson's Ben Blankenship. And just by chance, Ben blank a chip was like, I was like, oh, hi, nice to meet you. And you know, you meet a lot of people. And he was like, well, he's an acting coach without of the blue. As a joke though.

As a joke. And you believed it. Because I didn't know who he was. Get out of here. What year is this? Whenever Fast and Furious that. Can you give me a rough estimate what that year would be like?

There's been so much. There's been so many years. What year is this? I want to know. So Fast and Furious 6, is it 2012, 2013 type of thing? Yeah, around whenever we were filming that. So Superman's not out yet. And he asks you out.

Was it like a just a? Well, it was funny because it was like, apparently he had a date the next night and I was going out with Ben Blanketship who I adored and not as a date just friends friends yeah like we're out in London you know yeah and then Henry showed up you know and so apparently he ditched his other date and then you guys went on date next day yeah and from the moment um from that moment on for you know about you, we were dated for around three years. We broke up halfway through and we got back together.

So this is a real relationship. Yeah, and I was treated by people in the industry. Like I was this like flusy and I'm like, back to what we were saying. And sorry, Henry, I didn't mean to go off on that. But it's funny to how typical fashion is Superman to hide his identity. Like you don't even know who he is.

It's like- But that speaks a lot to't even know who he is. It's like. But that speaks a lot to his character. Big time. Because you see like Jessica Biel, right? I would love to see Jessica Biel do more. I'd love to see more Blake Lively films, you know? And I think that sometimes when you're dating and or married to, you know, a powerful actor in Hollywood, you know.

Did you and Henry ever get close, like serious, serious, like relationship marriage type of conversation or no? We were very serious. Okay. And it was very much genuine. It wasn't, it was just, I would say it was just a lot of youngness in me and him growing up, and I grew up

in the fight industry, he grew up in Hollywood. And I think that you have to learn, you have to learn about life and responsibility and treating people correctly. That's cool. So. Staying on this with Henry. Henry one time said that he was being asked about the Me Too movement.

I don't know if you remember what he said. He says, this whole Me Too movement is preventing men from courtship. Like what about me courting a girl? Is that now offensive? And the way he explained it, I don't know if he can find this or not, the way he explained it was so innocent where men could relate to it like,

yeah, bro, like what, there's a risk to courtship. There's Henry Kirby scared to flirt with women because he'll be called a rapist or something. And that's what they write up, write up. That's what the journals that pick out. When really he was being honest, and it was something that all of these people can relate to. It's all of these men can relate to.

It's like they're afraid at this point and that Me Too movement to be forward and to be gentlemen. And Henry is a gentleman. So it's coming, he's came from an innocent place and got completely smeared. And then now I see him be very quiet about stuff. And it's like, he's very sensitive. And blame him. You know, I like to think that I've never been like that. Cavill remark before adding that it's only natural to question yourself. We're putting past under microscope. I think any

human being alive today, if someone cast too harsh a light on anything, you could be like, well, okay, yeah, when you say it like that, maybe someone has to change. Absolutely. He also spoke about how it's important to retain the good things which were a quality to the past, like chasing after woman. Yeah, that's what I remember him saying in the interview and keep going lower to see if he continues. There's something wonderful about a man chasing a woman. I agree. There's a traditional approach to that, which is nice. I think a woman should be wooed and chased. But maybe I'm old-fashioned for thinking like that. It's very difficult to do that if there are certain rules in place because then it's like, well, I don't want to go up and talk to her because I'm going to be called a rapist or something. So you're like, forget it. I'm going

to call an ex-girlfriend instead. And wow, interesting. And just go back to a relationship which never really worked. Although he admitted putting himself in that situation wasn't ideal. It's way safer than cast them myself into the fires of hell. I'm someone in the public eye. And if I go and flirt with someone, then who knows what's going to happen. Now, now you really can't pursue someone further than no, it's like, okay, cool. But then there's, oh, why'd you give up?

Oh, it's like, well, because I didn't want to go to By the way, was he was he it was he MMA guy like would he grapple with did you guys grapple at all or was that not part of the Relationship, I know you've joked and you said you compared grappling to sex and all that stuff when I don't know when you talked about that 10, 12 years ago. Yes. Yeah, but was he an MMA guy? No, he didn't do Jiu Jitsu until after. And yes, of course. That's an awkward question.

No, it's not. We definitely grappled. We're both in stunts. We both do our own stunts. He does his own stunts. And so of course we grappled. Of course. Yeah. Well, listen, if you're a lady grappling with anybody, Henry Cavill is a pretty good guy

to grapple with. And I'm sure Gina, yourself being beautiful, it's, it's, it's a, it's all fun and games until they start sweating too hard and they realize it's a little bit dangerous. And by the way, staying on this point with the UFC side, Tom, did you want to say something about Henry or? No, no, no, no, I was just going to compliment him. You have a crush on Henry, don't you? No, no.

I want to grab a Superman too. I'm not really, I don't really follow actors and I like this actor, that actor. Like, I have those that I like and those I appreciate that work. You were a big Kevin Spacey guy, no? Like from American Pie? Yeah, I had a lot of respect for Kevin Spacey's range and housing cards. I can also appreciate that we're becoming a spacey guy. No, like from American pie and yeah,

I had a lot of respect for Kevin spacey's range and Woody and how hard like what do you mean range the range that he could bring like Tom you can't be saying range. So I'm sorry. No, not it's an appropriate. I think that's like in the vault. Kevin Spacey. I thought was phenomenal in American beauty. Do you remember American beauty?

Yes. English is my fifth name, but you can't say stuff like that. He's completely phenomenal and take him back from American beauty to verbal kint and usual suspects and then go to House of Cards and tell me that is not like an actor's actor. Yeah, he's... Henry was the same way and I appreciated him because he was a great bond villain. As a matter of fact, he was such a good bond villain that that kept him out of a role that I thought he could have played because he was a contender to be a next bond.

Wait, was Henry a bond villain? Was he Tom? Well, he was a villain. Wait, was he? No. I may have just blown that one up. No, he was a mission impossible. He was he? No. I may have just blown that one out. Well, no, he was not. Shame on you.

He's on Mission Impossible. He was a bad guy on Mission Impossible. So. He was a great villain. That's interesting. Who would your guys' top three picks for a bond be? For the future? Yes.

For the future. According to today's, if you want the items, I would say Queen Latifah, I think. No, no, no. By the way, if we want to go maybe, or someone would say, if you're, I want to hide the I score. Don't you want to hide the I score to get funded? We got to get funded.

A person of color, I just fumbled that. I just fumbled that. Stevie Wonder, because you have to be, you have to have, because the new DI thing is, you have to have a disability, a person of color. Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder. He's just shooting everywhere.

Your question is for villain or who should play James Bond? James Bond, and I want real answers. Okay, so I'll give you real answers. So today, it was a mission impossible. Today to play James Bond. Yes. Today. Who would you cast?

I could easily do Ryan Gosling, easily. I can see him doing that because I've seen him in the one movie where he played in the movie where they're trying to catch the mobster. What's his name? Mickey Cohen. Is this the story with Sean Pennes in the movie and he's dating that one beautiful girl that she's the girlfriend of Mickey Cohen? What is the name of the Mickey gangster squad? I think was he in gangster squad or no? If you can pull up the casting gangster squad. Did he, was he in gangster squad or no? If you can pull up the casting gangster squad.

Did he have an accent? Yeah, okay. So he gave me the vibes that I think he can play a James Bond, let me see who else. Cavill could easily do it. You have to have that sarcasm. You get three, you get three. What's your last one?

Remember Bond, you need sarcasm. That's like a critical. But they've traditionally been from their English, correct? Like I mean, he'd have to put on an accent to be an English, to Bond. But, well, maybe I'm saying this because I love this guy. I just freaking love the way he acts.

And I don't know he has to look for it because he's got more to rugged look. Yeah. I don't know if I put him, I'm a diehard John Bernthal fan, but I'm not gonna put that one in there. I really wanna give you a sincere feedback on Bond. Today.

He was a finalist, Henry was one of the two finalists. I would put Henry, I would definitely put Henry in the top three, for sure. Who's the other English actor? Who, he was in, he had multiple personality syndrome throughout the whole switch or split. Yeah, yeah. He could push some Bill Cadu with his eyes closed.

I think Bill could pull it off. Let me find out, I'll find out the name of the guy. He's a freaking phenomenal. I can't see Matthew McConaughey at all. What do you think, Tom? Well, I look at it and you know, I screwed up what I said earlier. Henry was an amazing villain, a mission impossible.

And people thought he was too villainous to be the virtuous bond that his characters and the things he had done maybe weren't quite there. And that he lacked the British sarcasm that is needed to go. But Tom, who do you think? Which he does not. So I have a hard time with it.

I agree with you, Ryan Gosling. But it's like the last one It's like they kind of pull him out of the hat I mean who was Roger Moore back in the day before he was James Bond right Pierce Brosnan was doing Remington steel. Oh, you know, you know, you know, who's gonna pull it off Somebody up and coming maybe you know who else could do it. He could do it as well I can see Tom Hardy doing James Bond. That's oh oh yeah, yeah. I can see him doing it. Okay, my three, my three would be, yeah, oh gosh,

it's a toss up between. So I do think Henry would be amazing. I think Idris Elba would be incredible. Monster. I mean, he's such a beautiful actor. And I think, you know, I could see him pulling that off. And then I would kind of be with Tom on leaving it up to maybe a new up and coming person,

younger maybe, who can just own the role and make it his own, which there are a lot of amazing, maybe one of those Dune Actors. Interesting, yeah. But it's gotta be the right, it's gotta be the right chemistry. I don't know. Casino Royale was a bit of a remake,

but remember we all doubted a blonde James Bond and he's not really this or that. And then Casino Royale came out the remake and you're like, holy smokes. Listen, I don't know about you guys patinae with the DI, like all you guys, I think since we're trying to go, it's woke, like a Dylan Mulvaney

Hear me out and just he's just like double-oh seven and just instead of the martinis. They just like I just a bud light What do you think Rob? No, he would want the double Exactly I'm allergic. What about James McElvoy? He's the guy from from split You know who Rob just sent which I'm a big fan of Colin Farrell. Oh, wow Colin Farrell the the penguin right in Batman Colin Farrell is he was in Tigerland a movie most people haven't seen great hair Just I'm a big fan of Colin Farrell as well. He's a little too old, you know Because you're gonna. Oh, yeah, that's uh, what's his name? Sharp guy that just played Elvis.

What is the guy's name? He's in Dune. Yeah, Austin Butler. Austin Butler, man. That guy, like, is incredible. And there's a couple, scroll up to see the rest of the cast of the Dune. I'm super excited about Dune by the way. Oh, of the dune. I'm super excited about doing by the way Do you and me both? I'm I loved the first one ridiculous. I'm gonna be obsessed with the second one. I already know it When's it come on a couple? Oh Timmy Timothy

Shalameh now I can't see him. He's a little young How old is Austin Butler? 23 probably 25. He's super young. He's not a butler twenty three probably twenty five he's super young he's not a uh... no he's thirty two okay well you know what looks twenty three me say that's about perfect because you want to start a whole new because you gotta go how old was it what they want they want it for three movies look at daniel craig i mean daniel could that when bond turns forty five

your your done being bond right because you gotta have the tone you gotta have yeah is there a body i mean we've we've got now graphics and everything that changes everything. I don't know if it's just me getting older, but I find that women and men, and it probably is me getting older, they're getting sexier as they get older.

I used to tell Henry, like, while he was struggling with some stuff, I was like, listen, you wait till you're 40 and your, your career is going to, you know, explode because for some reason in this business, you know, you need to put in your time, see that, you know, show everybody that you can handle it. And then, um, I had another, uh, British actor, friend of mine who was like, you know, having trouble getting auditions and everything. And I was like, grow out your gray hair.

Grow out your hair. You need to show your human side. And turn up, he nailed the role, got it. And they said, we really like your gray hair. It's cool. Do you think we get sexier as we get older? I actually, I feel like- Tom, grow up that white beard.

That's why I'm on my white hair. Thank God my wife feels that way. Yeah, so by the way, talking about MMA UFC, so. Oh, were we? We were talking about fun. Well, now, now going away, transitioning to a different topic. We're all grappling.

Your first, I think you had the first female live fight on showtime was yours, right? You came out the gates. I think your first six fights, like you almost lost and you you would not it was relentless It was so entertaining watching you fight crazy right the way you would fight and You had the punch you had to kick but when they got you to the ground you'd get up you get out of it Submission you were able to do a lot of it. It was very a lot of fun watching you first. I attribute that to the gymnastics Yeah, yeah, put your kids in gymnastics.

Gymnastics teaches you so much about controlling every part of your body. Gymnastics and MMA, really? Well, I did that when I was younger. So I had tap jazz and ballet and gymnastics when I was younger, and then I got into sports. But I believe gymnastics gave me the full body awareness and function of how every muscle works. Is that more the flexibility?

So when you're cornered and you're pinned, where the average person may feel severe pain, you may not because your body is flexible or no, that's got nothing to do with it. No, but I mean, like you're going to scramble out of search. You know, if your mind is creative, which gymnastics has you be creative, you're gonna scramble out of search. You know, if you're if your mind is creative, which gymnastics has you Creative you're gonna scramble and be able to get out of those bad situations And also, you know, you can't teach heart really and so it's like You could see that with you when you were fighting. It's definitely like it's in there, you know, that's cool No, so I mean, you know inbuilding, Arnold, they used to take ballet lessons

because it would be when you would pose. So it was kind of, everybody would fun laugh at him and like, no, later on, everybody started doing it because there was this back in the days, one guy who was an incredible poser. The beard, the guy with the beard? That's the older guy? What is his name?

It's not Franco Columbus, the guy prior to him. He was amazing. I think he passed away. Great pose. Anyways, I'll think about his name So going back to it So first then you fight cyborg and then after cyborg and cyborg at that time doesn't look like cyborg By the way when you look at cyborg with a fight with you I almost couldn't recognize her and then cyborg becomes cyborg But there was a moment where Ronda Rousey said her inspiration to become who she became

was you. You inspired Ronda Rousey. Am I saying that correctly? Yeah, Ronda has you know just been such a respectful, you know, she was such a little shit talker all through her career, but the one person she didn't really shit talk was me really. That's cool. And she really always did give me that tribute and to have inspired, to not have been, you know, made the walk in the UFC and gotten the fight to have the person that did, you know, really break down those barriers. And that is just, it's very special to me. And I think she's a very special person. I think she gets a really bad rep

and people like to paint her as the bad guy. For what though? Just cause she likes to play the heel. She has a mind being the heel. I fucking love it. Yeah. I'm sure Dana loves it. I'm sure he loved it.

He loved it. Yeah. It's just certain people's personalities. But I think when you look deeper at the person that she is, which I've, you know, I watch and I study people, I think it's a very special, special person. Is it true that Dana almost was trying to pull off a fight with the two of you guys having a big fight? Well, it's really funny because me and Dana had a conversation while I was fighting right before I fought Cyborg. You know, Dana and Lorenzo, Fratida had me into their office. And basically they were like,

we'd like you to come over and be our first company's first female fighter. And I just couldn't do that because I had my promises in my contract to Strike Force. So you couldn't leave? No. And that time UFC, this is 15 years ago, this is a while back.

A while ago, yeah. So it wasn't like UFC was massive yet. There was no females, yeah. Right, and there was what, at that time was what? Pride, Strike Force, UFC. UFC was pretty big at that time. 15, okay. Yeah, I mean, I think that was basically the prime,

like in my opinion, the old school prime. Yeah. Got it. So that would be what Rampage is that the, Randicator, Randicator, Chuck, that's the era, Tito.

Yeah, that was a funner, I don't disagree. And it was like, those were times where, and this is also relating to the movie industries, where the people get to pick their champion. So now it feels like, you know, what the studio is doing is they're controlling, you know, they're controlling the media, they're controlling the critics,

they're controlling everything, and they're not letting the people pick, hey, I like Gina Carano, I like her, let's build her. And that takes away from the art of it, the fun of it, you know, and so it's like like we want to root for someone. We want to, as a public, want to get together. We want to be like, we helped that girl become who she was because we saw her.

And I think nowadays studios are like, nope, we're gonna tell you through the publicists who we're gonna put you on your magazines, who we're gonna promote, who we're gonna interview, who's gonna play by our rules. And it just so manufactured and it takes away from art. So was it close of you fighting Ronda or no, that wasn't really, it was more just you going over?

No, no, we definitely, we definitely, I just needed, I needed six months because, you know, first of all, like weight cutting for me during that time, you know, first of all, like weight cutting for me during that time, you know, I would struggle because all of the women were in the 135 weight division and I could get down to 145, but there was only twice in my career that I got down to 136 and 139.

And that is like chopping off a leg for me. It was so difficult, but that's where all of the women were at that time, because there wasn't a lot of women. So I sat down with Dana and I was like, well, I wish you guys would have approached me five years ago, you know, like I've been waiting for this. And so I was like, I just need some time and I need you to keep it quiet. Dana, you know, keep it really quiet so I can go in. I didn't have a gym. I would have to go reemerge myself into a gym, which when I go into gyms, people put cameras on me and, you know. Leak the stuff to, you got it.

It's, you have to find and build your team. And I wasn't living in Las Vegas, which is where my team was. So I was living in LA and it would have been hard and I needed to rebuild a team and, you know, do it right. And so then, you know, Dana, and I love him now. He's amazing. He's been amazing now.

But then, you know, Dana's Dana, he was like out there, like, you know, he immediately started talking about it and it made my life very difficult to try to go into that. Um, but then, but then what happens when you've got this other career going and you care about, you know, you really care about, you know, acting and continuing on the art because art will outlast fighting, right? Can't fight forever. So I wanna make sure I kept my art going, then shows up Deadpool and then shows up another movie.

And so it is a very difficult thing to try to do both of those things at once. And when in my head, I'm just so passionate about the storytelling and the last couple of years, I've just been passionate about trying to get back into that you know. Because when Ronda fought Holly, people underestimated Holly, but the people who knew Fight Game, like when I would talk to people who are in that world they're like listen do not

underestimate Holly. Yeah she's a beast right so I trained with Holly. I lived in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and I've never seen a woman or Possibly now actually, you know my partner now is the hardest worker. I'll ever know he's into Muay Thai and was one of like the first Muay Thai Kevin Ross and but Second to hard workers. I'd say Holly Holly Holly home no joke like is the hardest interesting wow she runs she does all of the stuff she's so disciplined um it's it was a beautiful thing to be around and um you know it was it was really cool if your peak your thoughts I mean you're you're you're somebody that you know understands the fight game and knows it. We're just fans. Your peak against Randa's peak, who wins the fight?

I do. You think so? Absolutely. Tell me why. Why do you think? Because I pack a hell of a punch. She did too, though. No. No, Randa Wilde is a choker.

No, I mean, I know, I've had, you know, I know how she punches. I punched like a trucker. I might have to get punched after this, but. Ha, ha. She knocked me out. So what area would she have the edge over you? The ground.

Okay. Obviously. But I'm, you know, I'm scrambly. So it's no disrespect. and I'm sure she'd say the same thing, she would win. But that's just something I know. That would have been a good point. Because I know, after you've been punched like that, right?

After you've got, she got shook twice, Amanda Nunez and Holly Holmes. And I believe, I think I'm one of the hardest punchers that women's mixed martial arts is ever seen. By the way, go go go. So what about you against Holly or you against Amanda? Um, those would be more interesting. I think with Holly, it would be, it would be more of you'd want to be in the best shape of your life, it would be more get her to the ground. But I also believe that Moitai beats, you know, kickboxing in every way. So she's more of a kickboxer and I feel, but she does have the experience though. And so there's, you know, that would be a little bit more, I think, of an interesting fight.

And Amanda Nunez, she's got that cyborg energy and has been retired for a while, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, that one would be difficult. That would be more. She's a monster when I watch her fight. You kind of like, holy shit. She comes in. She's crazy. She's almost like that smile is intimidating.

But who's the Mexican? Who's the one she fought and she lost where she just wouldn't give up? Cortez. Cortez, yeah, that's right. Yeah, and she was interesting to's the one she fought and she lost what she just wouldn't give up Cortez Cortez Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and she was interesting to watch which is awesome, right? Yeah underdog there super like nobody thought she stood a chance But I love that. Yeah. Oh, no, no, it wasn't not this one. This is not the one you would know just type in type in Nunes Cortez That's all you got to do Cortez I just got lost or maybe it's our loss was against maybe it's not court had a court is go to images Rob Go to images that fight was really awesome that that one surprised me just type in who just type in Nunez and go to Wikipedia

You'll see who she lost to Amanda Regardless while we have this moment. I love all of these women. I think they're incredible and you know It's easy to sit here from a microphone and say, I would and I wouldn't. But I do, I do want to- Penya, okay, Juliana Penya. That honest opinion.

I personally would have my money. I'm not being real, because I mean, I watched Rhonda from when she started to, she like you said, she was more of a judo. Was her judo her discipline? She didn't, she never really box box and she never really, you know Used her hands and I mean Holly Holmes was that match where Holly kept her away from her and was you know kicking and punching But I think I think you'd have the edge if it came down to you and it would be fun

It would be very fun. It would be pretty difficult if it went to the ground, which it could with Oh, yeah, she was like a She was just trying to grab people and grab them yeah but you can you can obviously see that you can stay away from going on the ground with her and then with um Holly it would be um very tough because she's also a boxer be tough standing i think a lot i think she's done a lot of practice with wrestling and jiu-jitsu so i mean this makes sense because you the controversy with the Ronda fight against Holly was that the coach got criticized for making her believe that she could beat him, beat her standing

up rather than taking it to the ground. I think it was an Armenian or somebody that was involved in it. That was some controversy. I had some inside stuff too. And this might have been it, but somebody went up to me, another comedian. I don't want to say his name, but he knows who he is. He went up to me, he goes, Vinny, and he's name, but he knows who he is. He went up to me, he goes, Vinny, and he's never talked about gambling.

He goes, bet the house on Holly Holm. I was like, how do you know? Honestly, Gina, he goes, she's fighting with her boyfriend. He goes, they've been in a fight. This guy's into the whole, he knows all the UFC people. He goes, they're arguing, they're fighting. She's miserable, she hasn't slept and trained. And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we were watching it together. She kicked her in the face and he goes, I told you so. And I was like, damn it. Who do you like today? Who do you like today from the men's side? Who do you like today? I was really Happy for Brian T city The other night is awesome to see him. He's been through a lot You know, I've actually really been into the one championship Muay Thai and MMA fights a lot

And I think that they have someone of the best, most quality fighters that are, you know, actually worldwide. And so if one championship were to, you know, bring their promotion here, you know, that would be really interesting. My first love is Muay Thai. So like Kevin Ross, who is my partner, who was one of the first American, you know, I guess legends that you'd say that made it popular. And yeah, there he is.

He's at home right now taking care of the chickens and the chickens. And the country has just made him look that much better. He retired. And the pregnant horse. And the pregnant horse. Yeah, we have a pregnant horse. was like you know sometimes haven't not me but something had something's having a baby on this property yeah who would you say the number one the top male UFC fighter of all time who would you have

to if you had to pick one who would be your number one that you got like you have to hey we were picking bonds bond Well, I might be the wrong person to ask that. Why? Because I'm more of like, if you, I don't care if a fighter loses or wins. Yeah. I like the people's champ. I like the people that know how to win the crowd.

And those are the people, like the Diaz brothers. I feel like they always win the crowd. Yeah. Are you Connor? Are you Connor McGregor? Are you Mazvedal guy? Yeah. He wins the crowd.

Yeah. Anybody who wins the crowd, I think Connor has, he's incredible. I mean, we, I love big personalities like that, that shake the room, you know? And so I feel like he wins the crowd. And when he doesn't feel like he's winning, he's going to disappoint the crowd. He's going to make you feel it. And he doesn't feel like he's winning, he's gonna disappoint the crowd,

he's gonna make you feel it, and it's gonna take away from the people's champ. So he's got a very beautiful talent there. Donald Sroni's incredible, I worked with him. He's like a big brother that never stops poking you. But an incredible actor, by the way, we put him in terror in the prairie. And it's a, you know, Randy Couture,

Randy Couture is a legend and a beautiful person. So there's just so many that I personally worked with. Well, Gina, this has been a blast. Can you tell the audience if there's anything you're currently working on or anything that you, that they can follow you on, it'd be great for them to know so they can support. Yeah, I, well, I'd first love to thank you all

for your support already, because had that support not happened, I wouldn't be sitting here. I would still be in the desert. So I've got a fighting chance here, and I support it, and that came from the support of so many for so long around the world. So that's what I appreciate.

What I'm working on right now is I've kind of revamped and cleaned out my team. And I've got a new manager I'll announce who was a producer and now he's taking me on as his first client. So I have a I'm building up this new team who have existing, you know properties, but also things that I am creating. I want to give you all something to root for. It's been a tough couple of years trying to get this monkey off my back, and so I feel I'm at the start of that. I'm so excited to keep creating because I think that I'm just gonna surprise. I'm gonna surprise the world in ways that I already have and I look forward to doing that I love it Rob if we can put anything to direct social or website whatever maybe so the audience can go follow and

We're here to support you we're excited to see what happens next. What a wonderful story. What a great soul you are. And you got fans here. You got fans here. So again, thank you so much for coming out. Thank you. Gang, tomorrow we will have a podcast with Eric Prince that will come out first thing in the morning. And we will do this again next week. Take care everybody. Bye-bye-bye.