PBD Podcast - Donald Trump's Legal Issues w/ Trump's Attorney Alina Habba | PBD Podcast | Ep. 345

Starting point is 00:00:00 I I hate it, I'd be running home, you look what I've become. I'm the uncle. One. Okay, so folks, we have a special guest here today, specifically because after what happened yesterday with the list that came out, what's this list called Vinnie? It's called the Jeffrey Epstein list. We figured a lot of people may need a lawyer. We may as well bring a qualified lawyer.

Starting point is 00:00:43 Now, what does she accept the offers or not? Obviously, that's not on us. But today's guest is none other than Alina Habba. And by the way, before we get started, I think we gotta give the breaking news, heartbreaking news Vinnie to the world. Everybody can brace yourselves for every part. Especially this is a small community of people

Starting point is 00:01:00 that have listened to this. We get message left and right. Did you know she's a Syrian? Did you know she's cow, she's a Syrian. I'm going to my cousin's brother. Yeah. And guess what, Alina, it's great to have you on a podcast, but are you a Syrian, the world wants to know?

Starting point is 00:01:16 Oh my God. I'm sorry. You broke. I am so proud of my Middle Eastern background. I am not a Syrian. So tell us about the background. So my parents are 100% Iraqi, born, Baghdad, Iraq. And they're the American dream came over here.

Starting point is 00:01:34 And my father's a physician. But I am a Catholic Arab. I am one of the very few left in the world. I am Roman Catholic. My parents are from Baghdad. And if you speak Arabic to me, I'll understand you, but I'll answer you in English because I am Roman Catholic. My parents are from Baghdad. And if you speak Arabic to me, I'll understand you, but I'll answer you in English because I'm very shy. Literally, you speak it. I do understand most things. Okay, got it. Well, very cool. Not we know that, but you know, even if you're

Starting point is 00:01:54 from Iraq, there's there could be, you got to cling on something, right? There could be somebody in the lineage that could have been a Syrian. I'm all for it. Yeah, so you know, we had a represent. I represent whatever you need me to represent. That's right. So we had, we had, we were one day, we were at a family comes over, friends and family comes over to the house. It's me, a gentleman, this lady's like, Hey, you ever done an ancestry, you know,

Starting point is 00:02:18 dot com test before? Like no, but I know what I am, you know, Armenian, a Syrian, a remake all this up. So you just got to do the test. Have you done one yet or not? Well, I'm afraid of no, but I know what I am. You know, Armenian, Assyrian, Aramaic, all this stuff. You just got to do the test. Have you done one yet or not yet? Well, I'm afraid of giving. Okay. Yeah, that's what one of us was since.

Starting point is 00:02:31 Let's test it out. So it came out. It said 18% Italian. You? Yeah. 100% Italian. So I call my mom and my dad as a guy. It's who hooked up with Italian.

Starting point is 00:02:42 Mom got offended. That didn't understand the question. Did that just walk out of the room? I'm like, I just want to know where's Vinnie. You know, where's a Tony? You know, I'm just looking for a Johnny You're gonna give me a name. You got the dark hair. I mean, I get it. I got the dark hair the nose That's And all the interview with mafia people. I mean Bones today is about you so it's great to have you on because, and the timing of it is kind of weird. Obviously, we're gonna talk about

Starting point is 00:03:09 what's going on with the president, Trump, what they're doing to him. We'll talk about a lot of other things, your background, you know, your very interesting character right now, as a lawyer, you're out there, you're tough, you're strong, you're confident, you're posing,

Starting point is 00:03:22 you're pushing back, you're not afraid, you're relentless, you still keep a smile on your face, it's not your pushing back, you're not afraid, you're relentless, you still keep a smile on your face, it's not easy to do, and I'm sure the job that you have right now, all eyes on you requires you to be constantly reading, investigating, researching, at the same time, you don't want to give any kind of inclination of, you know, that they're pushing too hard,

Starting point is 00:03:42 and any of that stuff, because you want to show that you're, you know, you got all the stuff on their control. So, with everything going on right now with the president, I mean, we hear about Maine, we hear about Colorado, Rob, if you can pull this up with some other states that they're even thinking about it, right? So the orange states, Colorado and Maine are the ones that are officially disqualified, right?

Starting point is 00:04:00 Decision appeal, disqualified, great. Green challenge dismiss or rejected, don't even think about it, right? The baby blue, whatever that color is, they're not even participating. The yellows, Oregon, Nevada, California, I think a new sum came out and said, we're not even gonna be participating in that,

Starting point is 00:04:15 so he kind of put that out there, whatever reason, political reasons he put. Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Florida, and last all these other states. We know some of them are not gonna do anything with it, but those could still possibly make a push to challenge to disqualify the president for running. Is this purely a show?

Starting point is 00:04:36 Is this like, they're just doing this to make the voters sit there and say, oh my God, we should vote for them? Or do they have any kind of a chance of making it hard for the president to win in 2024? Do they have, no, I mean, look at the numbers. So first, let's start with the legal part of that, right? So legally, if you say to me, Alina, legally in the Constitution, have you ever seen a case

Starting point is 00:04:59 where somebody who has not been charged with insurrection, somebody who has not gone to court and been found guilty of insurrectionurrection should be disqualified based on the 14th Amendment insurrection. If you say that to anybody who is a lawyer or a non-lawyer, the answer is very simply no. That's insane. That could never happen. But it is happening because we've seen, my favorite is mean. I like to talk about the main woman. She gets up and I'm not making light of it, but um, section 320, she, it says insurrectionist and he said go peacefully and patriotically. So that's insurrection. And because of that, I'm going to take him off myself. I mean, you want me to actually take her seriously.

Starting point is 00:05:46 I look at him like, honey, no, no, no. She's not a lawyer, right, Elena? No. She's not. No. And she, I mean, it was, I laughed. I need to say it, I laughed. That doesn't mean it's not serious.

Starting point is 00:05:57 That doesn't mean we don't have to now deal with it. But when you look at even Colorado, there was dissenting opinion that was furious and said, we're doing the wrong thing. But I think we have these charged up radical left that see the poll numbers go up and are so ignorant, the fact that they are a major part of that. This behavior, this woman is a major part of why his poll numbers go up. It's not the only part. Our country was amazing under him, obviously,

Starting point is 00:06:27 and we have a crazy, terribly decrepit economic situation right now, borders, fat and all, et cetera. But, no, what is that? Alina, there's 14th Amendment. Anytime you turn on the news, whether it's Fox, whether it's MSNBC, whether it's CNN, anywhere you go, 14th Amendment's 14th Amendment. Any time you turn on the news, whether it's Fox, whether it's MSNBC, whether it's CNN, anywhere you go, 14th Amendment, 14th Amendment, before I met, section three, section three, section three,

Starting point is 00:06:50 which essentially says anyone that's running for office that has taken the oath of the Constitution, whether it's president, Congressperson, Senator, if they've been what, engage in insurrection or rebellion against the United States if they take in the oath of office or support of the enemies thereof is no longer qualified. So that was just unpacked this situation because the 14th amendment I believe was written

Starting point is 00:07:12 right after the Civil War in France. Pull this up, right? Citizenship to anyone born and naturalized United, just makes sense of the actual amendment and then the second. Yeah, I mean, look, I can never pretend to be in Allen Dershwitz or Mark Levin. They're so epically intelligent when it comes to the second. Yeah, I mean, look, I can never pretend to be an Alan Dershowitz or Mark Levin. They're so epically intelligent when it comes to the Constitution. And I think I've earned my stripes, but I will say in very simple terms, this was not meant for this.

Starting point is 00:07:35 This was done so that you didn't have people who are anti-American be able to take a position of office, especially after war. It isn't an extreme scenario. Right. It was built for fairly Confederacy. For the Confederacy, exactly. Anti-American mentality, everything, to make sure that we don't go back to slavery, to make sure that we don't go back to things that we don't want this country to go back to.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Having someone question election integrity, having a president, not someone, a sitting president who makes up the entire executive branch, say, I'm concerned about election integrity. And I see things happen at 4 a.m. that don't make sense to me. I see a scale, if you look, there was a chart, right? And it shows, you know, here we go. And then all of a sudden, Joe Cot Boom, Biden's up. I mean, it was very strange.

Starting point is 00:08:23 And you can't say that there is perfect ballots and election integrity in this country. Nobody can say that. So to bring in these cases and try and go under the 14th Amendment, and I've had case after case where they use this, Littisha James is another we can get to later, they use statutes, they use amendments that are not meant for this because of desperation. So I'm not concerned, I think that the Supreme Court is gonna have to address this.

Starting point is 00:08:48 I think that once they make that decision, it will put this all to an end. And Alina, if you're the average American sitting back, I don't care what side you're party or what side you claim, and you're watching this all play out, it's obvious what they're doing. How do you trust the justice system when it's, it's in your face that the guy that's in first place, you're trying to chop off his legs. I don't. Like how do you even?

Starting point is 00:09:10 I don't. Like the average American with your case and your problem, if they could do that to him, literally actively cheating and trying to get him on, how do you, how do you go to court and like, I have to go to court tomorrow and trust these people? Anybody. Yeah. You know, I've heard that people, and this is a problem that we're seeing now, people are worried about how to register to vote. They don't want to register to vote as a party voter because they're afraid that if they're identified as a Republican or a Democrat, that they'll be treated a different way when they go to court because those are public filings, right?

Starting point is 00:09:38 So that's something that's been a repercussion. They say, oh my goodness, I can't be affiliated with the Republican party. So I'm going to close the curtain vote red, but I'll say that I'm independent or I just won't register to any party. It's crazy. That is so un-American. Yep. And and and regards to, I heard you say to an interview, all the attorney generals, district attorneys are all sorrows. They are. They are. Right. And you guys, by the way, he looks, if you haven't seen Google George Soros, that's the epitome of evil face.

Starting point is 00:10:07 He doesn't look well. He's anti-humanitarian, honestly. That's exactly. Elon Musk said that he wants to erode the very fabric of civilization and that he hates humanity. What do you think Alina is the goal of like somebody like him a powerful elite that just wants to destroy the country that they live in. I don't. I've been trying to. It's I think that what they're looking for, what we're seeing in

Starting point is 00:10:29 Washington right now and look, I'm a lawyer. I happen to be in the political realm as an attorney, but I'm not a politician, but I will say that I deal with the DOJ, I deal with the FBI, I deal with these entities and the DA's and the AGs, and I see what they do behind closed doors. I see how they manipulate things. And I will say that there is no question that they are so self-interested that their thoughts are not about the benefit of our children. Their thoughts are not about the benefit of our economy. It's about Nancy Pelosi making $100 million off stock somehow when she's on a $180,000 salary. This is what we're in. And it's almost like a famed epidemic, I think.

Starting point is 00:11:12 I think that some of these AGs and DAs and the fannies and the litetias, and if you look at them, they love having pressers. They love having press conferences. Jack Smith. They love having press conferences, getting in front, having their moment. It's almost narcissistic. And then I got to go out there and fight the BS that they just spewed. I mean, I'll never forget the first time I had to do it off the cuff. And it's all because this guy paid money to their campaign. And now they have some promises to fulfill. And that's the opposite of Donald Trump, which is why I'm so proud to represent him. He's not bought.

Starting point is 00:11:47 He's not bought. Should that be allowed? Should that be allowed where? Because this could work, you know, like we had a Paul Manafort here and we're talking about lobbyists, lobbyists are ruining America, et cetera, et cetera. Hey, you know, we shouldn't let people run for office and raise billions of dollars with these super PACs and all this other stuff and look at the kind of money that this person's raising, that person's raising, well, let's just say we eliminate the PAC,

Starting point is 00:12:08 let's just say we eliminate lobbyists, let's just say we eliminate a guy like Soros funding your lawsuit. Does that make everything level playing field or should people like Soros be allowed to fund other people's lawsuit? Because if somebody, like the Midas Touch, whatever, or the left, or CNN, or these guys, or should people like Soros be allowed to fund other people's lawsuit? Because if somebody like the Midas touch, right,

Starting point is 00:12:27 whatever, or the left, or CNN, or these guys, right? So they may sit there and say, for can awesome what Soros is doing. To them, he may be a hero. To many of them, maybe like, what a great guy he is. He cares about democracy, right? They may sell something like that to the average viewer. But should that even be allowed on both sides,

Starting point is 00:12:45 specifically fun than other people's lawsuits? No. No. So what would happen if we, so do you mind walking us through it? So let's just say that doesn't happen. Who loses, who wins? So unfortunately, here's an issue that'll come

Starting point is 00:12:59 from not having financial backing through PACS, right? PACS obviously are important because running for office, running for presidency costs a lot of money. And you do want to level the playing field to some regard to make sure that everybody can compete fairly, right? You don't want to have Trump's a billionaire and let's, you know, Chris Christie is, you know,

Starting point is 00:13:23 has 100 grand. So he is not going to be able to compete, right? I want Chris Christie to be able to try and compete with Trump. And I want them to say, look, you all have funding, Vivek, a lot of funding. The numbers are just not where Trump is. So at the end of the day, I don't think it necessarily hurts us. What hurts us is this legal backing, the AGs and DAs. That's where I say you have no business putting money into the legal system, meaning judicial,

Starting point is 00:13:52 the FBI, the DOJ, backing them. Latisha james, you know, they're all politicians. And they get backed and then they have to keep promises. So I don't like that. Now, something for president, something that major, I don't see how they could do it without it. But in terms of these individual states, having political backing that concerns me because you're seeing targeting. And I'm, I'm very important. The targeting you hear about in the media is nowhere near as bad as it actually is. I

Starting point is 00:14:20 can assure you. She campaigned on basically prosecuting Trump. That was her campaign message. Put back to past question. You hear campaign finance reform, the citizens united, ruling under justice Roberts and what early 2000, 2008, I want to say, whatever it was, how much of a factor is that in all this? For me not.

Starting point is 00:14:41 I stay out of the campaign. I intentionally am not hired by the campaign. So I, you can choose to stay out of the campaign. I intentionally am not hired by the campaign. So you can choose to stay out of it. I think that's a good example, right? I am not a campaign person. I don't want to be on the campaign right now. That's not where my best use of time is. If I were on the campaign,

Starting point is 00:14:57 and I was backed by one of these campaign finances, or some donor for President Trump, right? And I was getting paid that way. People would, I think, discredit some of what I say. And I think that's just a choice. Are we going to stop it? The reality is, no, we're not. They try and reform it. They try and reform it. I mean, I think they're trying to be as exposed, you know, they're trying to expose as much as they can. And you can do your research and do it and look at who's giving to who and what. But I don't know, I don't know that it will ever happen, to be honest.

Starting point is 00:15:29 I mean, the country is a political country in a way that's what makes us a democracy, right? Because do have politics, and it's gotten completely out of control. And isn't the entire premise of that, you'll, you'll, way more of an expert than, than I know something. Oh, I'm not a campaign expert. No, but you understand law, and I mean, this is your lawyer representing Donald Trump. Isn't it the fact that corporations are people?

Starting point is 00:15:50 Isn't that what essentially the argument is? It's citizens united? Yeah, they are people. They are people and they have voices and they also have a lot of money. But, you know, I think it's up to the candidates. Can I be honest with you? You can get somebody could fund me and say, here, I'm giving you a billion dollars to run for president. And I'm going to fund you. But if I'm not going to be one of those puppets, like that's just not who I am, I never would

Starting point is 00:16:12 be. President Trump never would be. He wouldn't come in and be like, I promise to make it, it's just not who he is. I know that because he treats us all that way. I had to earn my stripes with him. You have to earn respect. nothing you do. You know, we'll give him that. No check writing. We'll do that for him. So I will say there are others like polosies and shimmers that make me concerned whether it's corporate, whether it's, you know, some entity that's looking for, for wokeness and to transition your children at two years old. You know, I can't have that. I mean, but they'll do some of them will sign their life away

Starting point is 00:16:50 for anything. So it's interesting you said that about Pelosi. I think we need to give her proper respect. Rob, if you can pull up some of the, you know, the greatest stock pickers of 2023, she will be upset because she dropped.

Starting point is 00:17:03 She drops off. She drops. She's going to be upset with this report go ahead can you pull it all the way down to the numbers Rob keep going keep going keep going keep going here's who led the way in 2023 in Stocks held and the returns in 2023 look all the way at the top can you zoom in a little bit Brian We got to properly recognize these guys Brian Higg, 238% rate of return in 2023. Mark Green, 122. Garrett Graves, David Rouser, all above 100%. Seth Malton, Ron Wyden, Joel Rutherford, Richard Blumenthal, 68 Pelosi, she dropped off. I mean, she, that's a very disappointing.

Starting point is 00:17:42 Oh, God. She's not number nine. She, She's in the top 10, but I'm sure. She'll occur in how much not have been there for us this year. Yeah, knowing how competitive she is, she's probably very frustrated with this list. But going back to you, you said, you know, the whole idea about, you know, you got to earn your stripes working with them. Okay, you're young and President Trump's been around the block. God knows how many lawyers he's hired over the years.

Starting point is 00:18:06 You know, we've had friends that have worked with them. High standards, high expectation, driving everybody around to him. He's a guy that sells. He's a guy that drives. He's a guy that pushes challenges all of that, right? How do you earn your stripes with a guy like President Trump? I would say there's two things. Number one, you have to work hard.

Starting point is 00:18:28 There's not an easy day since I've started working with the President. He doesn't like lazy. There's obviously a tremendous amount of hate to use this word, but grifters, there's a lot of grifters around. And we see them, we feel them. It's tough to be around, but he sees through that. And sometimes we don't catch them, you know, and they come out and bite us. But you have to work hard, you can't be there for the ride for free to just come on and use his name.

Starting point is 00:18:58 And you can't avoid them all the time. But I think he knows with me, look, I was a member of his club before I worked for him. I always say that. I like people to know that because I like to say that I earned my stripes prior to President Trump. I was independently successful and always worked hard. I graduated college in three years. I started a firm when I was in my 20s. That's who I am.

Starting point is 00:19:20 And those people are very different than the people who are not known, get to know them and then hop on the bandwagon, you know, that's just different. And they can earn their stripes and he'll respect that, but you got to work hard. You got to work hard. It doesn't hurt that I win cases, that helps. If that, you know, winning always helps. He doesn't want anybody on his team representing him. That's, you know, going to keep failing, of course. So that helped. I won my first case with him very quickly and it kind of went from there. And then outside of that, I think loyalty, it's something

Starting point is 00:19:56 he talks about all the time, but loyalty and not a cryptic mafia way. I hate using that word because people then say, look at this person. Now they're in jail because they were too loyal. Like, no, just loyalty, meaning you're not here to use him and then go somewhere else. You're here because you want to be because you believe in it and you're loyal to that cause. And the cause for me is America is my children. So that's my loyalty. And he knows that. My goal is not anything but that. So. How much do you think, well, let me phrase it this way,

Starting point is 00:20:28 you're capable, you're smart, you're intelligent, you're loyal, you have all the qualifications, but you're also an attractive woman. Yeah. You know, we saw what happened with Johnny Depp when, you know, Amber Heard's on the stand and Johnny Depp's lawyer, female, capable, amazing. There's just a different dynamic when a woman is questioning a woman or a woman is basically

Starting point is 00:20:47 representing a man, you know, say what you will about Trump, alpha man. You know, you would suspect he picks an alpha guy, but he picks a feminine, smart, capable woman. How much of you being an attractive, smart woman do you think played into a role in this? To him or in the public, because I can tell you it's been a double-edged sword. Yeah, both. It's been something I have had to deal this? To him or in the public, because I can tell you it's been a double-edged sword. Yeah, both. It's been something I have had to deal with in the positive and in the negative.

Starting point is 00:21:08 I don't think I would be on TV or sitting here if I didn't look the way I look. I think I caught attention. I'm very honest about that and I don't mind. I'm not a feminist, okay? I believe in strong women, but I want my door opened. I am very much an old school, my parents in Middle Eastern, old school woman.

Starting point is 00:21:28 When I'm at home, I cook, I have a husband, I respect, I know how to turn it off. But do I not think that if, you know, I'll tell you something, somebody said to me, Alina, would you rather be smart or pretty? And I said, oh, easy, pretty. I can fake being smart. I meet them all the time, Alina. You know, I mean, that's the honest truth and it's going to make me, you know, I'm sure there'll be some Washington Post article about it tomorrow, Daily Beast, my favorite. But listen, like you have to be honest, it doesn't hurt to be good looking in this world,

Starting point is 00:22:10 in the PR world, on TV. It doesn't hurt. And when you're good looking, that's great, but it can also mean people think you're stupid or people think that President Trump hired me because I was good looking. That is absolutely not the case. And I've won cases, many cases for him. I've won many cases before him. I represent other people.

Starting point is 00:22:30 I've owned my own law firm. I'm independently, like I said, I'm a hard worker. And I think that it's a combination of both. And if anybody wants to pretend otherwise, then you're just being said. And when you said double edged sword, obviously anyone that represents Trump, Trump himself, the media is just gonna to try to eviscerate.

Starting point is 00:22:47 Do you think that the media has maybe treated you a little bit more fairly because you're a woman, you know, believe all women, everything that's going on the media, the feminist movement? You think they've been harder on you or nearly? When I first started, they were awful. I remember the first hit piece I got. There was the Daily Beast, did an article on me, Jose Palgeri. And it was probably two days in or two months into me actually working for him.

Starting point is 00:23:14 And it said the one Trump lawyer, everybody hates. And they talked about how they thought I was hired because I was pretty, how the rest of the attorneys at Trump organ on the Trump team didn't like me, all probably true, by the way. But he definitely had sources, they were quotes. And at that moment, I have to tell you,

Starting point is 00:23:32 it was the hardest, I remember laying on the floor. I'm a human being. I laid on the floor in my office in Bedminster. I shut the door and I cried. And I was like, oh, I can't do this. I can't do this. Really? And I'm a tough cookie.

Starting point is 00:23:44 But I remember what I did was I was in court on the attorney general case when it was still special proceeding. It's been going on for three years. And I saw Jose Pell Giri in the back row. And he can attest to this. I walked right up to him. And I said, you wrote the nastiest, nastiest hit piece on me.

Starting point is 00:24:06 Damn. And he goes, he was shocked and I said, I don't appreciate it and my family doesn't appreciate it. And I said, when you actually want to get to know me, you let me know. Wow. And since then, there it is, there's the first, what's the date on that I can't even see.

Starting point is 00:24:23 November, second 20, what was it? 22. No, but it was published March 21st, 22. March 21st. So I had been working with him for almost, for a few months, almost six months. And I got rid of you. Yeah, her name is out almost out of nowhere, relatively unknown. That's so not true. I had cases that were in the news prior that were big cases. And, you know, it's just crazy. But he, to this day, is somebody now I speak to, Jose, you'll still write some hip pieces, but he got to know me and he won't write them like that. That's great.

Starting point is 00:24:57 You held him accountable, respect. Good for you. Last question on this topic. Because this fascinates me how you can be attractive and feminine and capable, but also balanced being this is a personal question. This is a personal question. It is. So does our audience.

Starting point is 00:25:12 I think. I think. I think. I think. I asked the same question to Candace Owens, but you know, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. You can be an attractive and you can be a business woman. How do you balance that?

Starting point is 00:25:26 I think like I said, you have to have boundaries. There has to be a place where you're feminine and you're... And by the way, I'm still feminine. I wore pink suit to court in the Attorney General Case and did a press conference. It was one of the ones that was most put on. And look, part of my brand, if I even have a brand yet, but brand is that I like to dress well. I like nice things. I don't feel like I have to wear a plain blue suit

Starting point is 00:25:52 and a turtleneck and put my hair in a ponytail. It's not who I am. I used to work in fashion. I love that part of me. So why do I have to, you know, I get, I put a post up for instance. This is a good example. I put a post up. I was at a a good example. I put a post up. I was at a UFC fight and I was wearing a dress.

Starting point is 00:26:09 You look like you had a nice, nice smile. I love that. I did not see that one coming. So I go up there and I'm wearing a dress. I'm 39 years old. I'm not wearing a dress down to my ankles. I'm not wearing a turtle neck. I'm going to dress my age and they how dare you dress like

Starting point is 00:26:26 that your Trump's lawyer. And I just want to say to all those people, I'm a human being, I have a husband, I have a life, and I'm 39. I'm going to be who I am. Now, I'm obviously respectful. I'm not going to come out looking like, you know, you don't want to encourage bad comments, but I am who I am and I own it. And at the end of the day, I think the most important person is when you're with your family at home and who that person is. And that is a much more feminine person, unfortunately, on the phone too much. But much more feminine person, who cooks,

Starting point is 00:26:54 who wants to have a husband take care of her and not be in charge. And I know my place, by the way, when I'm with a team of older lawyers who have a hard time with young females, and that happens, and I know that there are some times I have to be more submissive, but I know when the time is, you know, and that's the key. In front of the TV, now forget it, I enjoy it.

Starting point is 00:27:14 March 25th. March 25th. March 25th, which is the area of this. It's the 40th birthday. Coming up, you excited about it? I always thought I'd be depressed about it, and now I'm like, I've done more in 40 years than some people have done in their lifetime. So I'm really happy.

Starting point is 00:27:30 I'm proud. I'm excited to see you. You're out of it. You're doing great. Thank you. So let's stay on this topic with, specifically, we started off with this topic. We went all over the place. I feel like we got to know you a little bit, but let's go back to the topic.

Starting point is 00:27:41 So, okay. Colorado, out, main, out. They got a few more left that's gonna happen. How ugly could this get? The reason why I asked this question, this, I don't know if you guys have followed this story or not, this year is the biggest election year in the history of the world.

Starting point is 00:27:59 Election year, 40 elections happen at the same time. The largest Christian nation, the two largest Muslim nations, all at the same time. The largest Christian nation, the two largest Muslim nations, all at the same time, 40 plus countries, 3.2 billion people will be voting this year. We'll be able to vote this year. 44 billion, 44 trillion dollars of GDP all this year, right? So we're talking Pakistan, election this year,

Starting point is 00:28:21 India, election this year, US, election this year. Belgium, I can go on, there's 40 countries, elections this year, India, election this year, US, election this year, Belgium, I can go on, there's 40 countries, elections this year, right? When there is so many, you know, things going on, the people who have had control behind closed doors that we don't know, what do they fear? They fear losing control, okay? And the number one piece amongst all these 40 elections going on around the world, 3.2 billion people potentially voting, the number one domino, not the second domino, the number one domino is a guy named Donald Trump, okay? So if he gets elected, the people who control can't control him.

Starting point is 00:29:01 Correct. Because a lot of these other guys can be controlled. So for a voter that's sitting there, looked at Vox came out and said, 55% chance Trump's gonna be the president. Vox is not a conservative side. They're liberal. They're predicting Saint 55% chance.

Starting point is 00:29:16 Trump's gonna end up being president this year. So, Vox is through, I call 2023, the year of investigations. I call this a year and a half ago. It was all investigations 2023. I'm calling this the year of chaos. I think it a year and a half ago. It was all investigations 2023. I'm calling this the year of chaos. I think it's gonna be chaotic, it's gonna be crazy. How crazy, how chaotic could it get?

Starting point is 00:29:33 Or do you think, no, it's gonna be pretty, you know, temper tantrums, oh, you know, Navarro's coming out and they're gonna, I'm just gonna come out and they're just yapping and screaming and hollering, or could it actually get very, very ugly for the American people to brace for impact?

Starting point is 00:29:52 I mean, I wish I could give. This is what I always say. Look, I know a lot more facts than I can share. And the facts are good. So meaning, the witch hunts, let's start there. So the number one way that we've seen them try and take him down, the chest piece, is through legal cases. And that is what I know.

Starting point is 00:30:14 And without getting into facts that I know that'll come out, it's no different than any other case. When you know the facts as an attorney, and you know what actually happened behind closed doors and you know what he did and didn't do, not what the press is saying he did, not what the Jack Smiths are saying he did or want you to believe he did. The real facts, the fear level comes down a lot.

Starting point is 00:30:40 Then it becomes very simple. We have to be able to fight a corrupt organization. That's what it is. It's corrupt. And that's where my fear only lies. In that, I'm in front of judges that we can give them the facts, and they are clean. Look at my last trial I just ended.

Starting point is 00:31:02 But if you have a judge who wants to get Trump, wants to take him down, wants to be a part of taking the chess piece now. If you have this main woman, I don't even know her name, that's how little I care, what's her name, whatever. You have this woman wanting to be a lawyer, wanting to be a part of this liberal radical movement.

Starting point is 00:31:22 And we don't have the ultimate court, the Supreme Court, check these people. That's when we're in trouble. But I do still have faith in the Supreme Court. So I think that right now for Donald Trump for taking that piece off, it all goes frankly up to the Supreme Court because everything we're talking about

Starting point is 00:31:39 is election interference. Thank God, yeah. Listen, there is a- All the Hechmen, all what a genius. No, no, no, go ahead, please finish... All the Hechmen. All what a genius. No, no, no, no, go ahead. You finish. I'm going to finish your cut and I have a follow-up for you.

Starting point is 00:31:49 Yeah, but I think that we have to remember that everything we're worried about with Trump is legal. There's a reason his lawyer is his spokeswoman. It's because it's all being used in courts and through laws, constitution, it all goes up to this Supreme Court. And I really believe there is a checks and balances still that still exists in this country. The executive branch, you know, is one person, but we all know that there's a hundred other people behind it right now. But the Supreme Court stands independently.

Starting point is 00:32:20 And that's on purpose, and that's where our founding fathers created it. So I believe that they will handle it. I believe that, look, with Jackson it just got shut down. He was trying to rush. They said, nope. So as long as they stay firm, I have no fear. Because I will not win every case. Let me be very clear, you cannot.

Starting point is 00:32:36 You cannot. You have people that are not listening to what you're saying. I'll get in court and I will say, there were no victims. Deutsche Bank made money. Latisha James is using a completely inappropriate statute. Here's the facts and here's a Nobel executive expert who's going to tell you that this is complete BS.

Starting point is 00:32:54 And the judge will go, no, that's fine. I'm going to lose, that's fine. But I need the Supreme Court to be the one that has the reason the one that holds America together right now. That's where I think this country needs to be the one that has the reason, the one that holds America together right now. That's where I think this country needs to be strong. So, okay, by the way, just think about it. So Trump's first president that flips three seats, right?

Starting point is 00:33:14 Say he doesn't. That's all this is an ass. If he doesn't flip those three seats, you're asked out. Yeah. Literally, right? Yeah, you're screwed. You're screwed. There's nothing, by the way, nothing.

Starting point is 00:33:26 So, paint a picture, say the Supreme Court is, you know, 63 the other way around, whatever, 5, 4, 6, 3, the other way around, okay? And you don't have any protection there. How ugly could it have gotten for the president if Supreme Court was the other way flipped 63? Look, if they have it their way, they would have him in jail. That's what I'm saying. If you need me to say it, I'll say it. It's absolutely true.

Starting point is 00:33:50 They would have him in jail because they can't the movement, the American movement. It's not a mega movement. It's an American movement. It's people afraid of losing our country. And it's a movement because we're, I'm scared. I'm scared of what I've seen, you know? And that is the problem. And that's why they get behind Trump. So if you can't beat him,

Starting point is 00:34:15 if you're worried that stealing an election may get screwed up, what else do you do? Put your opponent in jail. And that's, you tell me that Jack Smith, Fanny, DA Alvin Bragg, Latisha James, you tell me that those people wouldn't have a private party if Donald Trump was in jail.

Starting point is 00:34:37 Of course. That's it. That's it. But go there, go, so now flip it. So strategy, let's talk about strategy, is they're not dumb, right? So they know, they don't have Supreme Court, they know it, they don't have it, right?

Starting point is 00:34:53 So you're pushing Maine, Colorado. Are they celebrating, saying, oh, look what we did. Oh, we impeached the president, so many. He's the most impeached president of all time. I'm just gonna hear you look at Colorado, Maine, try to remove off the ballot, but you failed. Are they thinking that that's helping them? Are they that dumb to think that going about

Starting point is 00:35:13 trying to get them off Maine and Colorado but failing is a victory? They're not dumb. These are not dumb manipulators. So how do they see that as a victory, no Supreme Court doesn't have their back? Well, that's the thing. I don't think that they're all working in tandem all the time. manipulators. So how do they see that as a victory known Supreme Court doesn't have their back? Well, that's the thing. I don't think that they're all working in tandem all the time.

Starting point is 00:35:28 I think the individual from Maine was not being very bright, to be honest. I think that that was a silly move. And it's going to flip people. Colorado. I mean, the minute they said he was off the bat, the reaction is, oh, we could win Colorado. Like, you know, that's they're not understanding. I don't know. You're right. They're not dumb. But I think their point is to disrupt and concern and make everyone scared that this person's a predator. He's a fraudster with banks. He's a this. He's a that. Insurrectionist.

Starting point is 00:36:01 You know, I have a trial coming up. Same thing. They're going to do the woman card again And it's like they just don't stop now again another funded lawsuit read Hoffman funding that lawsuit LinkedIn he funded the first one and then I think he dropped out or whatever but This is all legal warfare at the end of the day They aren't that bright because people want to make a name for themselves. And I think they thought they were, I'll be honest with you, I think they thought we're all going to do, we're going to attack and we're going to make it happen before the 2024 election.

Starting point is 00:36:33 These cases are years and years old. They're from when he was president, some of them, and Georgia, for instance, you waited, years. Letitia James, three years I've been on that case. That case was in a special proceeding for three years. The minute they filed the complaint, they wanted the case in six months. So they wanted to destroy credibility in his business, which is where everybody has confidence in President Trump because the country was run like a business. They wanted to destroy

Starting point is 00:36:57 him with women. My burgdorf goodman case coming up. you'll get money damages, another judge that's anti-Trump, we will see the whole thing. And then they want to destroy him criminally, make you believe he's a criminal and anti-American, insurrectionist, anti-American. They wanna hit him in all fronts. And by the way, we don't even know what the October surprise is gonna be. I feel like I've been in an October surprise for a year.

Starting point is 00:37:22 But they're trying to hit you so that you lose faith in him. But what they're forgetting is you're so obvious that we have more faith in him because he hasn't quit. I would have quit. I mean, he has not quit. He has not come down. He has not stopped talking. He has not become more reserved.

Starting point is 00:37:41 He is who he is. And I'm not worried in that regard, but I'm telling you, they would try and put him in jail. Right, can you pull up that article? The article, the first article we covered two days ago that America wants a strong tough, you know, which one I'm talking about. If you just type down, it'll come up.

Starting point is 00:37:57 So, story came out. Left, right, center, doesn't matter. Only reason I'm showing this to you is because some of the people that are gonna watch this podcast, I'm gonna say, you is because some of the people that are going to watch this podcast uh... uh... okay go lower go lower and and so look at this chart here cross the political spectrum american seek tough leaders who will crack down okay so you'll see the dark green strongly agree

Starting point is 00:38:17 agree disagree strongly disagree and then you'll see on the left the categories they have a strong democrat not strong lead democrat independent lean rep Republican, it's all the way to the bottom. Obviously, on the all the way to the bottom, what do you notice? 90% agree that America seeks a tough leader that will crack down, okay? All the way to the bottom.

Starting point is 00:38:37 A strong Democrat though, is still 59%. They strongly agree or agree. Okay, only 42% disagree and strongly disagree. By the way, that is catastrophic. Nothing about this category represents Joe Biden because if you go all the way to the top of the article, go all the way to the top of the article. So it says what are the key words?

Starting point is 00:39:03 Strong, Biden is not strong. Rough, Biden is not rough, except when he's going down the stairs. Anti, anti-democratic leader. Okay, they would call Biden a democratic leader. Let's just say, in the way they wrote this article, obviously it's a little bit of a word smithing and kind of manipulation that's going with it.

Starting point is 00:39:22 But do you think America's kind of sitting there saying, what are you guys doing? You think even some of the people on's kind of sitting there saying, what are you guys doing? You think even some of the people on the left are sitting there saying, what do you think you're doing to this guy? Like we don't even like the guy, but you're making us like the guy. You're making us like the guy that we didn't like,

Starting point is 00:39:34 you know, four, five years ago. You think that's not happening in America? A lot of people say that to me all the time. Like we were on the fence or we were left and now we're not. And you see that a lot with, especially minorities or people that feel like they're unfairly prosecuted and come into this country from other countries where they've seen the banana republic.

Starting point is 00:39:53 A lot of those people like my family get more behind Trump because we know where this is going. We know where this is going. Now, it's not a joke, you know, TikTok destroying our children's mentality and lack of strong home base, lack of faith is destroying our culture. And once you dismantle all of that, we're easily manipulated. And we believe that a man that can't walk and eat ice cream is not being backed by Obama who's still in Washington. I mean, I'm not a conspiracy person. I am not. But I'm not a stupid person. And I know that man can't

Starting point is 00:40:32 run the country. And I know when Epstein's list comes out and one name's blacked out and Bill Clinton's been doing, you know, was we saw it it yesterday. He likes to be young. He likes to be funny. He likes to be young. What, why are they not in jail? You're a pedophile. That's called a pedophile. Yeah. So this is where our country is headed.

Starting point is 00:40:54 And I do think that people that come from other countries that are, we're not necessarily wealthy or came from third world countries and come to this country the right way, by the way. Yeah. When they come to this country, the right way, by the way. When they come to this country, the right way, they appreciate what we have and they're afraid of losing it and they're holding onto it strong and they realize, Donald Trump's the only way

Starting point is 00:41:13 we're gonna keep it. And Alina, you said a key word right there, and I don't want to skip it, you said manipulated. I feel like a lot of people in America feel like they've been manipulated. Let me unpack that. They say, they say like fool me once. Yeah. You know, shame on you.

Starting point is 00:41:28 Fool me twice, shame on me. If like there's a lot of people in America, especially swing both. A president that passed set it in a different way. And I thought it was more entertaining. Fool me once. A, I can't get fooled again. You can't get it.

Starting point is 00:41:39 You know what I'm saying? Shout out to everybody. War criminal, but go ahead. Shout out to come down. Yeah, that one. But I feel like a lot of people in America feel like they've been fooled a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy.

Starting point is 00:41:47 I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy.

Starting point is 00:41:55 I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy.

Starting point is 00:42:03 I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. going on on the woke left, whether we're seeing going on with Hamas and the Hamas brigade going on out there, whether it's the trans stuff, all this, with the feminists of everything. I feel like this is a lot of just normal Americans. People that have voted for George W. Bush, that have voted for Biden, that have voted, I'm sorry, for Obama, that have voted for Trump, they flipped, they flipped, they flipped, the flip, Americans are bipolar. Every 48 years they vote for somebody else. But that's okay.

Starting point is 00:42:24 There's a lot of them. Totally fun. Yeah, see American way. I mean, I'm talking about the people in Michigan. I'm talking about the people in Pennsylvania. The people in Wisconsin, swing states, battleground states. I feel like there's a lot of people basically saying, you guys got me the first time on Trump.

Starting point is 00:42:37 All the Mexicans are rape. Okay, you know, all the stuff that they put out there, all the good people on both sides, all the media, I feel like they're hip to the game now. And I feel like they're looking at the situation right now and they're like, not a fan of Trump, necessarily the personality, what have you, but what I'm seeing over here on the left,

Starting point is 00:42:56 I just can't condone. And I'm one of those people, like, yeah. Yeah. But I feel like at this point, we do see that we're losing our values. We're losing our values. He can't pay for Joe Biden. Just to lose it. Just in a dress.

Starting point is 00:43:06 Not in the last. Not just. None the less. I never can't pay anybody. Zero. I don't love any part. By the way, I don't like politics. I don't bow to any politics.

Starting point is 00:43:15 No. But it's important. But it's important. But it's important to see how the truth path. But you may be the most important person at the table. Oh, it's important. Because we did a thousand dollar bet on who was going to win the election last time,

Starting point is 00:43:29 and he voted, and he won in 2020, just so you know. Wow. Yeah, that's so for him to go from there to where he's at now. That's exactly what I'm asking of a member of a guy. I just, I followed the money. The odds were Joe Biden was the favorite. So, literally, I just, I followed the money. The odds were Joe Biden was the favorite. Whoever the favorite is in Vegas, I'm going to take a big...

Starting point is 00:43:50 Okay, so if you're going to... Yeah, you're going to say something like that. You're going to be held accountable. Hang on, fine. So, did you... I was in a conference. No, no, wait a minute. You followed the money because of Vegas odds.

Starting point is 00:44:01 Great. But did you also vote the same way with Vegas odds? Yes. Yes. So you also voted. That's not following the money. You can follow the money and vote the other way if it's just about the money. You also didn't want to vote for Trump.

Starting point is 00:44:14 Thank you, Patrick. Bring it up to a thousand times. I really appreciate that. Well, because publicly, I gave you a thousand bucks. That's the same thing. I'm sure. Okay. I give you a thousand bucks on a lot.

Starting point is 00:44:23 Ten thousand bucks from the bet. Yeah. But the point that I'm sure the audience have no idea. But if you follow the money now, Hunter Biden's money goes right into it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's the part of that. FYI, the whole point is millions of people believe it or not feel like he does. I agree. I'm telling you millions of people like you.

Starting point is 00:44:42 And it's because of what they're doing. It's because of what they're doing. Yeah, that's my point. That's the point that I'm telling you millions of people feel like you that. And it's because of what they're doing. It's because of what they're doing. Yeah, that's my point. That's the point that I'm making. Is there's a lot of people who are like, yeah, I don't know. I don't like either of them. I mean, look, let's be clear.

Starting point is 00:44:53 Nobody wants to see a Trump Biden rematch. I'm just letting you know. But based on this rematch, there's a lot of people being like, I'll take Trump. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. They'll hold their nose. I don't trust them that it'll be. No, everyone says that. That's it. They'll hold their nose. They'll be by day.

Starting point is 00:45:05 I don't trust them that it'll be by day. Everyone says that. I don't. And everyone's going to keep saying that. And then in November, you're going to have a choice. Well, a Biden Trump. Yeah, well, and then we're still still being in this. Uh, we look at the odds there.

Starting point is 00:45:19 Trump is one of the outpidings to the Haley's story. You remember how Gavin moved up? And the new system, this is the latest. The snath away Biden was to the haily street. You remember how Gavin moving up? And the new San Francisco. This is the Vegas. The United Way Biden was number one until literally today. Yeah, well, we have Michelle is fixed. Michelle is still in the mix. So Solina, in regards to, we keep hearing election interference.

Starting point is 00:45:37 When you hear that, and I love doing this, it's called cheating. Yes, it is. Thank you. I'm talking to hearing election interference. And by the way, the left has been doing it and say what you want They always blame they always blame our side Russian collusion. They tried with the DNC Rehillary Don't even get me started. Don't even get them. They'll all the impeachment all that BS crap

Starting point is 00:45:56 Okay, if this tactic that they're doing right now with everything that you're involved with Fails and he's allowed to be on the ballot. The left plays to win. They'll stop it. Nothing. What other tactic or tactics you think they would use? Because we saw the movie leave the world behind. It's almost like they're letting us know cyber attack might happen.

Starting point is 00:46:16 They warned us about pandemic number two. Oh, yeah, China, the China virus number two. China virus number two. What's the other? So about the tactics. Open border. So if a terrorist attack, if it comes down to it, by the way. 100, 1000%.

Starting point is 00:46:28 All those migrants are voting. Like 1000%. Yeah. If it comes down to it, where they're like, oh crap, none of the stuff with the law is working. And we're getting close. You think that they are willing to pull the trigger on something else to disrupt the election?

Starting point is 00:46:43 People have told me you should be worried that they're going to actually try and kill them. I was just going to ask you that too. How scared is he? How worried is he because he's not because his, he has his own security, correct? But it's not about security. It's about, you don't think people have been trying that for, I mean, now it's in 25. He does not.

Starting point is 00:47:02 He is not a fearful man, right? He's not. At the end of the day, it's not about how much security has, look, if somebody wants to hurt somebody, they will. I've had people try and kill me. I mean, I'm his lawyer. Oh yeah. I mean, you know, crazy people writing letter,

Starting point is 00:47:20 I'm gonna kill you when I get out of jail. I'm gonna come after you. And this guy raped and killed a five-year-old. He's in some Tennessee jail. And you know, I've had to kill you when I get out of jail. I'm going to come after you. And this guy raped and killed a five-year-oldies in some Tennessee jail. And I've had to file a criminal. It's crazy. The world we're in right now, but that's my point. Like, desperation makes you crazy.

Starting point is 00:47:35 So I don't think they'll stop it anything. I think that at the end of the day, they will, like I said, try and put them in jail. They'll try anything they can, but more importantly, it's our election integrity that concerns me. Because let's say he's still on the ballot. Let's say he's in jail. Let's say all those things happen.

Starting point is 00:47:54 We have to go vote. So what's the last step? What's the last step then? Mail in ballots, migrants voting, no voter ID. And the states have to handle that. He can't handle it. The states have to handle that. And I really wish they would start really getting a grip on it. I would say, why can't we have clear ID for voting?

Starting point is 00:48:12 Like, I go to the airport. I have clear ID. I go in there, they scan my eyes. I got one ticket. I vote, that's it. No one's screwing with it. The machines aren't shut in. Is it not machine racers don't like that?

Starting point is 00:48:24 I was just gonna say, you're talking about ID. Yeah,'s screwing with it. The machines aren't shut down. Is it not machine racers don't like that? I was just gonna say, you're feeling like you're, yeah, you're talking about IDs. You've been keeping up with a little fence. It races because apparently the left things, black people in Georgia don't know how to get IDs. So that's racist to think that they, they would know how to get.

Starting point is 00:48:39 Well, that's what then do you, are you actually prepared to vote for the person who's running your country making economic decisions, keeping us out of war? Things like that. There has to be a level. There's a reason we don't allow children to vote. You have to be smart. And at the end of the day, not everyone's always going to be included.

Starting point is 00:48:58 It's America. We're not, you know, we have rules. We have laws. We have regulations. We can't act like those regulations make you a racist, make you, you know, you're not saying the correct pronoun therefore you hate humanity. Like what the hell is happening?

Starting point is 00:49:14 Yeah, Alina, this ID situation, I, we don't need to spend a lot of time on it, but it boggles my mind. Yeah. I gotta show my ID if I'm gonna buy liquor, I gotta show my ID if I'm gonna go to a club, I gotta show, you need ID. Yeah buy liquor. I gotta show my ID if I'm gonna go to a club. I gotta show you anything. You need an ID.

Starting point is 00:49:26 Sorry, voting? Like the number one thing that you could do as a citizen is vote. Yeah, I think that's why it is. Why is it such a sticking point where it's our racist to have an ID? You can't expect people to have an ID. Because they can't cheat.

Starting point is 00:49:39 I don't understand the people. You can't cheat. Exactly. You can't cheat. You can't cheat. You can't cheat. It's very simple. cheat. You're lying. You can't cheat. It's very simple. Why can't we get ID to vote for the president of this country?

Starting point is 00:49:50 Well, we can. What they don't want us to. Yeah, that's why the border has been for the past four years. As we speak right now, Alina, right now, the border completely opened eight million people in. And guess what? Those people, when they come in, you know what they tell them, Joe Biden did this, Democrat, go in. They probably give them a voting thing when they pass go and go like, you're going to

Starting point is 00:50:10 check blue. Yeah. Okay. This is why you're here. Here's your cell phone. Here's a hotel room in New York. 100% and here's your voting. Here's your ballot.

Starting point is 00:50:20 I want you to take this and maybe three more copies, put it in the mail and you're going to help us steal the election. I agree. I think that's what could be happening. I do. Can I go back to what Pat was discussing with the Supreme Court?

Starting point is 00:50:31 Because this is really where it comes down to. Yeah, I'm gonna try it, by the way. Yeah, go for it. It's a volatile jack. Yeah, it's cucumber, so you're in middle eastern. You're gonna love it. So the Supreme Court, right? It's really good.

Starting point is 00:50:41 The Supreme Court. We've seen what's happened in Colorado. That was a month or so ago. Maine is a week ago, whatever it is. You know, Rob pulled up the image of, there's a dozen other states that are considering moving Trump about. I think 17 to be exact. Right. So walk us through what it means to be the Supreme court because they're not going to hear all these court. No, they'll make understition exactly. Yeah, they'll make. So they're going to set a national president off the land. Here's what I learned about the Supreme Court from PBD. And kudos to PBD 2020, Path Starts the Podcast.

Starting point is 00:51:09 We're doing it. They're talking about you guys don't understand how big of a deal it is that they flipped the Supreme Court justice. And then we started hearing things like, well, Democrats, you'll buy and they're going to pack the court. They're going to pack the court, right? There's nine justices. Is that what it is?

Starting point is 00:51:21 Well, they're going to go up to 11. They're going to go up to 13. People are like, oh, the hell even packed. They want it to add. I'm like, what the hell is this even all about? up to 11, like on the 13th, people were like, oh, the hell'd he even pack that one? They wanted to add. I'm like, what the hell's this even all about? The Supreme Court, pack on the court? We're learning things. What is this going down here?

Starting point is 00:51:30 But at the end of the day, it's a 6-3, right? So, you know, there's a liberal side of things. You've got the Sotomayor and you've got Kagan and then you have sort of the right. You got the Clarence and Hommas' of the world and you got the Alitos of the World. But then you have sort of, let's just say, more moderate, whether it's

Starting point is 00:51:49 Comi Barrett or whether it's Gorshik or whether it's Supreme Court Justice, Roberts, whatever. But at the end of the day, Trump appointed the people who are the moderates, the Gorsix, the Amy Comi Barrett. So if this does go to the Supreme Court, walk us through how this works, the vision of this because it's six, three. This is what's gonna happen. It's not really about the Supreme Court, walk us through how this works, the vision of this because it's six three.

Starting point is 00:52:06 This is what's going to happen. It's not really about the other states, right? You asked me about these other states could do it. It's not going to matter at this point because we just, yes, I think it was yesterday or two days ago, filed the Supreme Court for Colorado, main obviously on appeal. But one decision needs to be made because they're all trying and main tried to do it under some small section, I guess, or whatever it is. But we just have to have acknowledgement as to what the rules and regulations are here. To me, it's not something I'm worried about because it's

Starting point is 00:52:34 so obvious. It's so clear cut. There's due process. There's an antiquated and completely misplaced 14th Amendment being used. There's just basics here that haven't happened, that a decision that he could be off the ballot at this point, at this point, to me would be mind blowing. So I'll be honest with you, you obviously have concerns about all the other states. And I don't. I think this Supreme Court is going to see it. I'm not worried about if you're moderate or if you're left, because I think this is one of those really clear cut constitutional issues that should just be hands down.

Starting point is 00:53:15 And how can you remove some of them from that like Supreme Court? He hasn't been found guilty, everything. You can think that it was an insurrectionally want. Yeah, it was a headline for them. And I think that he hasn't been found guilty of anything. He hasn't even been charged. That's not even charged. I mean, never mind guilty.

Starting point is 00:53:31 You're not even charged. That's my point here. So like you talk about do by the way. That's why I'm not concerned. He hasn't been charged. He hasn't been found guilty. None of it. Right.

Starting point is 00:53:39 But how did they remove some of the talent? You're struggling to understand something because it's a point of desperation. Let's get to work on it. You know why? You know why? Because facts, common sense, don't apply.

Starting point is 00:53:55 So think desperation and that will get you there. Hail Mary. You know what I would say to you to me, this is going to end up making for one of the greatest movies you'll ever watch. I know. Okay. I'm telling you right now. I know. I always say that I'm like, is there going to be a documentary? I think it's going to be a movie or a doc. And if it's a doc, it'll be like a 10 to season tap. But because what could end up happening, history is going to validate. It's going to be kind to him. No, you know, Churchill said, history will be kind to me for I intend to write it, right?

Starting point is 00:54:29 So he's writing it. But the part that you have to be also thinking about is he's not campaigning right now. He's straight out there. But this may be by far the biggest campaign donation help in the world. If you think about it, one time Joe, when they were going after Joe, okay, Rogan, when he's, oh, well, comments he made 15 years ago, when he was four years old or whatever, you know, comment there was a guy, Joe said this and Joe said, and I made a video. I said, do you guys realize I just, I was counting all the views on how much media wrote?

Starting point is 00:55:00 I said, do you know how much it would cost you to get this kind of media press? Yeah. I said nearly $300 million. Okay. I said, Joe, I'll send a thank you letter to everybody saying thank you for giving me $300 million of free coverage. How much free coverage is Trump getting? What is the difference between what they're doing today versus 2015, 2016 when everybody

Starting point is 00:55:22 wanted to have them on and just trash them, right? Right. CNN, MSNBC, everybody was having a mon and just trash them, right? Right. CNN, MSNBC, everybody was having a mon and all of a sudden, like, guys, we've been given them a lot of eyeballs. We got to stop this. Knock it off. What's going to happen? So anyway, so that's what happened here, too.

Starting point is 00:55:35 We forget this year with Fox. They didn't have a son for a while. That's right. And you guys are now doing the, and by the way, are you still, are you still the senior advice for Trump Super PAC? Maga, are you still an advisor? I know, I am actually now, no, I'm not involved with Maga Inc.

Starting point is 00:55:49 I am actually the general counsel and spokeswoman for the Save America PAC. Okay, got it. So you're the GC, you're the GC, dealing with them legal side. You're the GC, yeah, I thought I would just be the GCN, and then all of a sudden I was back on trial and I was like, but you know, I love what I do,

Starting point is 00:56:03 and if he needs me there, that's what I do. Great. So the reason why I asked this question is this. So CNN is doing a Republican debate, okay? Which saw some way a guy who, you know, is very eloquent, great communicator, didn't make it, didn't qualify. His name is Vivek Ramaswamy.

Starting point is 00:56:20 And the Santas made it and Haley made it and Trump made it, obviously Trump's not gonna be there because he's doing the town hall same day We he doesn't need to be he doesn't need to be doing that with Fox, right? So what do you think about, you know Vivek, you know call it out Rona Rana McDaniel and then now CNN is saying you're not qualified to be on stage and it's just gonna be Haley and the Santas qualified to be on stage and it's just going to be Haley and DeSantis. How much games plays behind closed doors that the average voter doesn't know about? A lot.

Starting point is 00:56:50 A lot. I mean, they play games with me. It's a lot. You know, they feel like they're in this position of power. I always say, think of the media like you're having a polian complex, okay? And they use their little strength, and see, and by the way, there's very little strength right now,

Starting point is 00:57:08 but they'll use their little strength, and they'll say, I'm not putting you on, and that'll hurt you. Like, it's the same thing as the lawsuits, wake up! You're not hurting the vec, you're helping the vec, because now he's gonna have some little microphone on Instagram or whatever, and he will get more attention because he's going to have some little microphone on Instagram or whatever. And he will get more attention because he's been excluded.

Starting point is 00:57:28 Yeah. Then just put the guy on. Let him do what they want. Invite them all. You know what they're so shortsighted. Honestly, I don't understand the thinking because it's so small-minded. And the numbers have shown. The more you try and exclude, the more you try and pound them down, the more their numbers go up. It's just silliness.

Starting point is 00:57:47 Yeah, why wouldn't you have even there is games mentioned because you'll call them out. You don't like to be called out. How do you feel about Nikki Haley? How do you feel about Nikki? Oh, we got to get there. There we go. I'm not a political person. So I'm going to start by saying that I'm not on the campaign. I'm not a political person. How do I feel about Nikki Haley? I think she's a flip-flopper. I don't trust her. I wouldn't vote for her. I wouldn't.

Starting point is 00:58:11 Now what if on a crazy, because there's, you know, of course you don't follow the news and you don't follow what people are saying at all because it's not part of your job and you just kind of like you and you know. But there's certain people speculating that there may be a possibility that the Wall Street people behind closed doors with these things called packs. That they raise a lot of my packs, like not packed in like basketball, but like a pack. Yes, like save America, type of packs that are saying, hey, and again, rumors, hey, Mr. President, Donald Trump, Jay Trump, if you don't consider a Nikki Haley as your VP, we are not going

Starting point is 00:58:46 to give you the money that you need to go become the president. But if you choose Nikki Haley, we will consider you as a presidential, you know, support, money, donors, all that stuff because the money went from the status to Haley. So this is why President Trump, you should consider the Haley as a VP. A lot of people gave her money. A lot of people gave him money. A lot of people gave him money. All I would say to shut that down is very simple. President Trump will never be in a position like that.

Starting point is 00:59:12 So you don't think President... He would never be strong armed like that. You think he would consider a haller as a... He doesn't need to... He would consider who he wants and who he thinks would be a best fit. I know that for a fact. I mean, he is not going to be one of those... It's true. He's just not. Do you think Hailey would be a best fit. I know that for a fact. I mean, he is not going to be one of those, it's true.

Starting point is 00:59:25 He's just not. Do you think Hayley would be a best fit? You're not. You're really. There's no, it's just a couple of cameras. It's just like, we got 17 people watching. It'll be like, yeah, we just said 20. 20 people are watching this.

Starting point is 00:59:38 Yeah, this will go anywhere. They're all from Minnesota. I'll go anywhere. I don't get ratings ever. So it's not, you know, this will go nowhere. This will be probably your worst watch. Sorry, not your way. Have me on.

Starting point is 00:59:50 Do I think, Nick, look, here's what I think. I don't, I'm not, I'm not the biggest fan. I used to like Nikki, maybe. When she was in the White House, but after, she's just flip flopping. And I go back to what I always say with Trump loyalty. And I just don't see that there. And I think that that's concerning for me. Is she going to come in and be a puppet?

Starting point is 01:00:12 Is she going to take funding from people that I've already seen that happen just to try and win? You know, she's... I also just don't think in a debate, she's incredibly... I mean, I could debate. I really believe, believe like if I was completely into politics and knew everything about politics that I could get up and debate her and have no problem, that's concerning for me. I don't want another Kamala Harris, right?

Starting point is 01:00:36 But if the president believes that she would be a good fit eventually, God bless and I'll get behind her, but I will right now know. I don't see the the Nikki thing happening at all. Okay. I'll get behind her, but right now no. I don't see the the Nikki thing happening at all. Okay. I mean, but listen, being blunt, it's no secret that Trump likes attractive, capable women. Right. Okay. Whether it's Ivanka Trump, whether it's Marla Maples, whether it's Melania, whether it's whoever he has in his corner, whatever's going on you So there's an attractive woman out there that's been campaigning with him. No, I know you don't like given opinions Tell her her name is Christie. Oh Christie. No, I think she's capable. I think she's gorgeous

Starting point is 01:01:17 I think she's smart. Yeah, she was an Ioi yesterday. She was just campaigning with Trump. Mm-hmm. She's my pick I love her for most likely VP picks. Vinnie thinks that it's Sarah Huckabee Sanders. I said not so much in the face, Mike, because she made me go, but hold on, but she has a loyal, but there let's be right. She was taking fire and all those white-up, she was a gangster. Mike Ben is also pretty loyal, but you know, where is he? Yeah, but the flying is heavy.

Starting point is 01:01:44 But Mike, what is this? And you're going? Yeah, but the fly is heavy. But my will pass this. And you're not in your non-aponinated way. What are the chances he considers someone like a senior? I mean, she's honest. Come on, you met her before. You're not getting me in trouble, you think? I don't know who he's going to pick.

Starting point is 01:02:01 You ask my opinion. She seems lovely. I don't really know her. I have never even met her. I don't know. Maybe we've been at the same events she seems lovely. I don't really know her. I have never even met her. I don't know. Maybe we've been at the same events, but no, I really don't know her. You know what, why was Carrie Lake?

Starting point is 01:02:11 It's always somebody. At the end of the day, I can honestly say, I don't think he's chosen, and I don't know that, you know, when he does. I believe that. I don't think he has. I don't know what he has. I fully believe he has to show.

Starting point is 01:02:24 How about this? How about this? It is way too early early. We say there's a better chance. This is often recognized watch that he picks a woman versus a man. No better than it matters to him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,, you know, identify Mr. Pence as a times of change, PPD, the only 15 and even more. You know, it's probably gonna be guys, Chris Christie. Yeah, this all is true. But now that it's pants, it's pants. But Alina, Alina drops the hands. She's all there, everyone.

Starting point is 01:03:01 Chris Christie, coming in, huh? I did not, I could a good suit for that. I was just a joke. Well, you look at how, like, let's say, hopefully he, you know, he wins and he beats all this nonsense that they're doing. He's always warned about the swamp. He's always told, you know, during the swamp, he's gone, he's going to come back in and deal with all these creatures.

Starting point is 01:03:23 How can he trust? No, I don't feel you. How can you even, because he's going right back in. How do you trust any of these? Even the people that are like, hey, we're with you. He knows who's, he knows.

Starting point is 01:03:34 Oh, that's what I said. When he first went in, what happens is they write, and this is my understanding, right? They do go in, okay, it's like me going in to Sam a professional golfer. I don't know. I'm calling. I'm calling my friend Sergio Garcia. Serge help me. Tell me what club to buy. He'll tell you please. I don't think I

Starting point is 01:03:54 called like a call Dustin Johnson. I'll call Bryce and DeShambel. I'll call call my people. I'll be like, what? Tell me what to do. And you take their advice and you do it. And that's what happened the first time around. Now, now, very different. Oh, yes. I've gone through this. I've weeded out the bill bars.

Starting point is 01:04:15 I've weeded out the people that are no good. The people that were actually working on the other agenda, but got to stay and they pushed them. The network. He knows the network, which is why I love him going back so much now because he knows the network in. He's seen the network against him, and now he's got to go back and fix

Starting point is 01:04:34 in a major way with people that he trusts. And there will be people that screw him. Of course. It's like me saying that I've never hired an associate. That's disappointing. It happens. Yeah. But it will be so much stronger. Oh, I can't wait. It will like me saying that I've never hired an associate that's disappointed. It happens. But it will be so much stronger. It will be so much stronger. I get these arguments all the time, I'm sorry, Adam.

Starting point is 01:04:51 I get these arguments because I have cousins that are 100% nothing. The country's Biden's just doing its infrastructure. They're all delusional. Yeah. But I have these arguments are like, because I'm talking about January 6th and I'll Christopher Rae, these people have to be either, you know what they say? Well, Trump appointed them.

Starting point is 01:05:09 I'm like, who do you think doesn't have a point? That's not how it works. And the truth is, I think that it's how it will work. I think he will clean up. I think you got to clean up from the top down. I've said that. I can tell you that I think it's incredibly critical that he puts the right people, especially in the DOJ.

Starting point is 01:05:26 You know, I would, you know, press secretary is just the face of, and somebody who's communicating with the press, but to me, where I would want to see the change is in the back, in the back, the press secretary, the DOJ, the people that are enforcing laws, the people that are actually going counterterrorism, things that are really important to us, cartels, making sure there's no fatten all uses, our children are suffering, depression, things like that, we gotta work inside out, right? And then, first of all, people are afraid of Trump

Starting point is 01:05:59 and countries are afraid of Trump. And right now they're not afraid of Biden. So that's what puts me in my most fearful state, is we could go to war because we have such weak leadership. I mean, when you hear someone like Vivek say, which I kind of, I've been watching a lot of it, and I'm kind of agreeing, when he's saying something like the FBI

Starting point is 01:06:17 can easily be just dismantled and take all those agents and put them in other organizations, could we operate as a country without NFBI? If you have, without NFBI. Without NFBI. I don't know enough about it to say so. I think that there's an importance to national security when it's done right.

Starting point is 01:06:34 I think fractured national security sometimes concerns me because I think if there's no strong leadership in anything, in any company, you have to think of it like a company. You have different sections than you have to think of it like a company. You have different sections. Then you have high potential for weakness. You have high potential for somebody to permeate, you know, having a manager of a store in California,

Starting point is 01:06:53 a manager's store in Florida, but they're not interacting and there's no oversight that concerns me. They got a report up. So I don't necessarily agree with that structure. As somebody who's run a business since I was 28 years old, I've seen that that doesn't work. I tried to open, you know, if you don't have the heads watching, it can go awry.

Starting point is 01:07:12 Yeah, it's just hard when it comes to that FBI, because going all the way back from the FBI's beginning to like combing all these guys, their political bias affects what's happening with the presidency, with Russia collusion with Hillary It's like how it's so high, but and it's so hard because you don't know who if think about it We're on the FBI and Pat's in charge and Pat hates Trump. I don't care where you're gonna say there's gonna be Investigations there's gonna be stuff happening because of his bias and we saw it so it's it's kind of hard I think I think Vinnie actually posed a really good question about draining the swamp. And even your, like before you've been answered,

Starting point is 01:07:47 you were like, yeah. You kind of had a little Mr. Burns moment right there. But I actually think you're right about your answer about why this time will be different. And I'll unpack it a little bit. I think it's a double edged sword. So the advantage and the disadvantage of Trump being a businessman who's never been in politics.

Starting point is 01:08:05 He don't know what he's walking into. You could say it all he wants. He could say that he's donated to every single campaign and every single politician out there. That doesn't mean you're in the house. You're outside the house making donations. You don't really know how it works. Okay, but the difference is like an establishment politician

Starting point is 01:08:22 that's also a devil's edge sword. Because you know how it works. You're gonna play the game, I scratch my back scratch yours funny thing about my back here, adiata, but this time around, he's been the politician, he's been on the outside, he's been on the inside, now he knows how it works, the inner workings, he knows the plumbing, but he's also not bought and paid for like a lot of these politicians, so I do think that this time around it will be different, but it goes to show that if you don't know how Washington works, I'm sorry, you're going to get run over. You're going to get run of monkey. Think you're going to have people around you that are that are helping you. They're all social climbers or political social climbers. There's a lot of

Starting point is 01:08:57 people he brought in a circle that did not have his best interests. So many of them were there already though. Remember that. They were there already and they were told this is the guy you want. He was advised. He was leaning on a lot of people to advise him when he went. And I've spoken to him about this and just, you know, wondered and he's, look, it's going to be different because I now know. So, so let me ask you is, is the president a Trump, a forgiving man once you're like, for example, let's just say you were disloyal, okay? Now you're back being loyal. Is he forgiving that quickly

Starting point is 01:09:34 and he thinks he can change people's minds and be back with them. And the reason why I asked this question is the following reason. I ask it because this time around, see, you know, like the famous line, because you'd be in jail. Yeah, I was shooting go to jail. Nothing happened to her.

Starting point is 01:09:50 And you just said something earlier today. How is it that the list, Epstein list came out? He should be in jail. Why is he not in jail? So what's he gonna do that a lot of the voters who are saying, okay, if you're, if you're going to say you're going to clean up the DOJ is going to clean up, FBI is going, what does that mean?

Starting point is 01:10:10 Ray is going to get fired. Okay, Ray is not, it's a deep issue than that, right? What else is going to happen on second term if you're back in the office? Is it, you know, that's probably the biggest, like some of the people that voted for him that maybe are thinking to come back or sit it out. Like, I just don't think anything's gonna change, right? I just don't trust a system

Starting point is 01:10:33 because I don't think it's gonna do anything. What do you think's gonna happen with him being in the office this time and how quickly he think he's gonna hold those people accountable? Like Fauci hasn't been held accountable, did he? I think very quickly. I think number one, knowing him, look, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:10:46 I don't speak to him about this. This is not my world, but I know him. I think that if he makes a promise, he'll keep it meaning, you know, he needs to do a lot of work. He says, he's like, if we don't get this back quickly, you know, I have to get back quickly to clean up. Number one, you have to pick up the phone and call foreign leaders.

Starting point is 01:11:07 You can't be afraid. I don't think that's been happening. You got to pick up the phone, just like he used to, just like he did with Putin, and people says, he says Putin smart, he says this person, well, they're not stupid. He's not saying they're smart, we should praise them. He's saying you need to not underestimate them.

Starting point is 01:11:23 And I think that that's been going on. We're just closing our eyes and ignoring it and letting them permeate every part of this country. So I think he will take a really strong stance number one to secure us to make sure we don't go to war. Number one. And I know he- That I believe.

Starting point is 01:11:38 100%. Yeah. In terms of- Because it happened in the four years we didn't have any issues. ISIS disappeared. A lot of things. If Trump was president today,

Starting point is 01:11:45 Ukraine, Russia, what is this? We had no wars, we had brought our boys home, and now we've got, we're leaving, from day one, leaving what was it,

Starting point is 01:11:53 $80 billion of equipment and leaving our people in the airport chasing plans? And Afghanistan. What the hell is going on? We knew they didn't know what they were doing. It was like they were assisting from day one. Here, take our equipment, take our stuff. Why don't we make you stronger terrorists? These are amazing goggles and our amazing equipment with the high. What

Starting point is 01:12:13 are we doing? He will do what he says. He will be back to old Trump. He is Trump. He will do what he needs to do. And that's not vindictive. It's not somebody coming after people who, it's not that it's, we're losing America. I truly believe that. We are losing America and it's gonna be too late if he doesn't get it. You honestly don't think even a little bit, a little bit.

Starting point is 01:12:37 Because even said on day one. On day one, I know. I'll be retrobue. All they take me one day. They don't take me one day. Listen, we know Trump, okay, we could say all the best things about Trump. We could we could we could say how bad we need a strong leader in power. Right. But you know, there's a little part of Trump that wants to get some people back.

Starting point is 01:12:54 That wants to seek retribution. There's a little bit of that. Would you at least admit that? Absolutely not. You don't think that Trump. Okay, but what do you at least admit that? What's your question? No, I'm saying the Trump. He even said on day one, he's gonna seek retribution. You know there's a little part of Trump. And it's right should be. That is a little like, all right, you fucked with me. I'm gonna fuck you back.

Starting point is 01:13:15 I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Yeah, could you tell me the quality? I know. 1,000% for the past, it'll be eight years. From the moment he said it, they have been trying to destroy his life. And you know, for what? Because this guy loves America, say what the hell you want.

Starting point is 01:13:31 He pulled up on the curtain and said, hey, America, look at these assholes. That's what he did. And he's been suffering 100% he deserves to do whatever the hell he's gonna do. And the legal, holding people accountable, isn't like a right-to-do. Wait, I was just going to say that.

Starting point is 01:13:45 Let's just look. If I was his lawyer standing next to Matt Day that he said it, I would have said, let's instead say we're going to hold everyone accountable. Yeah. And that's the real truth is there should be no reason that somebody gets rated for library books and somebody else doesn't. There should be no reason that a pedophile is exposed and doesn't go to jail, okay?

Starting point is 01:14:12 But then he is accused by somebody who wants to write books and do a whatever of terrible things that are so disgusting that he did not do. So we're gonna look at the world and say that's retribution, that's not retribution, that's called equal justice, that's called due process, they will go through due process if they didn't do anything wrong, prove it. But we can't keep saying that it's normal that Hunter Biden tried to sneak through with

Starting point is 01:14:36 absolute immunity, with an agreement that got caught by a judge. Imagine if that judge was a little tired that day and just, you know, or on the take or whatever, and let it go. Thank God for people that are awake. But that's what he's talking about. We need to clean up. We need the country to believe in the country again. We need the country to believe in the justice system again.

Starting point is 01:14:55 So yes, there will be accountability. That's what attorney generals do. That's what departments of justice do. They don't target people. They hold people accountable. And that's the fear, Alina, is the word, because Pat had everybody pick a word for this year. All right, mine was undeniable.

Starting point is 01:15:12 I'm going to be undeniable this year. Trump's thing is, like you said, accountability, that is pumping fear and all these people, because they're like, oh my God, he's gonna hold our feet to the fire. That's the fear. That's what's making you want to put him in jail. That's exactly.

Starting point is 01:15:26 That's exactly. Well, Alina, you brought up something. You said, if I was Trump's lawyer and I was sitting next to him that day, well, you know, news flash, you are his lawyer. I'm not that, I'm not a campaign lawyer, I'm not involved in that. I just say, you know, I would have, you know, you did say, you know, how often you probably can't answer this, but, you know, the's eat the James, this stupid bit, you know, whatever he said, you know,

Starting point is 01:15:46 Jax, I say that too, so. Jax, man, this corrupt, you know, the woke lap, like, yeah, but the house. As an attorney. Yeah. How do you say to the president? Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:58 You just don't say certain things that might affect your case. How do you approach that? Because you drop gun a Trump. You see, you're not going to. How is an attorney? I'm sure there's some things that get frustrated. All the other attorneys have said this, where it's like, don't talk about that for now. How do you deal with something like that? I mean, I'm not going to break privilege. I can tell you that any client that I deal with

Starting point is 01:16:24 has a right to speak their mind. It's called the First Amendment. When you're the leading political candidate of a country that's falling apart, I think you're angry. I think that comes out however way he wants. It gets him the attention that's making him lead in the polls. I think Americans feel angry. And when they see his anger, it's what makes him relatable.

Starting point is 01:16:47 So I'm not here to advise him on how to be a strategist. I'm not here to advise him on his campaign. I'm here to be his lawyer. So as his lawyer, what would I do? I would say don't use words that could get you sued. Don't be careful. That's what I would say to any client, if you're in a public eye. I mean, there's just, it's, it's the reality of the world we're in, right? It's

Starting point is 01:17:11 anybody. Defamation is really what we're talking about. So that's the only thing that I worry about is defamation. Gag orders, unfortunately, have become part of what I have to deal with. I was gagged. I never even said anything, but I was gagged because they didn't want me to say something. And I couldn't even say something in the court on the record, I'm still gagged in the AG case. Not that kind of gagged, bro, relax. No, I'm not that good. I know what a...

Starting point is 01:17:35 Gag order, gag order. But yeah, I mean, you can't, you can't and I wouldn't. My advice to him is as any lawyer would be, be careful of certain words, you know, choose them wisely, but it's a president Trump. I have respect for the man. He led the free world. I mean, who am I to tell him what not to say?

Starting point is 01:17:58 Yeah, I'm his lawyer, I'll advise him, but he's got a ton of people around him. And at the end of the day, it's him. It's his brand, it's who he is. Let's go to the last topic here before we wrap up. Dun dun dun. Yes, which is the Jeffrey Epstein list that came out last night, you know, middle of the night, Twitter's going bonkers,

Starting point is 01:18:17 videos you're seeing. Some videos are extremely, you know, Stephen Hawking. I don't know if you saw some of the cartoons. All the cartoons were horrible. And apparently he was in what underage or geez, I can't even picture even an email saying to hide it. He would pay anybody that's good for me. It's not funny, but Steven, yes, Steven Hawking, and they said Alan Dershow it's bad. I guess Epstein forced underage girls to have sex with Alan Dershow. What's that mean though?

Starting point is 01:18:50 Forced like go have like making them have sex with the guy allegedly. That's in the court case. Let's just use the word allegedly. But first of all, there's 91 charges in Trump's court case. That doesn't mean he did that. You know, it's it's, I never ever would, you know, Alan, I have a lot of respect for. I think he's an incredibly smart person.

Starting point is 01:19:09 There are literally groups coming after attorneys that speak their mind and he's liberal. And I, I just respect intelligence. I don't respect pedophilia. So a 1000%. It's a period. There's nothing left for me to say on that. If you're a pedophile, you better, you better, you better.

Starting point is 01:19:24 You see these names, Trumps on this list, Clintons on this list And there's nothing left for me to say on that. If you're a pedophile, you better, you better, you better, you see these names, trumps on this list, Clintons on this list, there's shwits, but the one name, no, no, meaning like was in his orbit was on his plane. No, never, never flew. Never, never went to that. No, never went to that. Never met with that. Talk hungry.

Starting point is 01:19:38 Never, never met with Epstein. No, I mean, with pictures of him, and that part of your, whatever, not that was all I'm talking about. Yeah, it's the met together Epstein. And that's part of your order. Not me. That's all I'm talking about. But I see met together. But the one name. But wait a minute. It was not Fred and Epstein.

Starting point is 01:19:50 There's a difference. There's a difference between 50 flights to the island. And you're in New York City. With your son. Okay, so you know, we had Mike Tyson here one time. And Mike Tyson, the last time we had him on here, he says, one day, he says, I'm doing what I'm doing and all of a sudden it was who came to him, a vice or a SWAT or FBI came to him.

Starting point is 01:20:15 Oh, because the guy that he's got some of the crazy, how do you know this man? He says, what do you mean, how do I know this man? He says, well, you took a picture with him. You know what he just did. He just killed 28 people, whatever it was. Like he stabbed and killed, just dude, a guy's took a picture with him. You know what he just did. He just killed 28 people, whatever it was. Like he stabbed and killed, just, a guy's taken a picture with him. I'm not gonna know what it is.

Starting point is 01:20:30 So think about how many parties you've been to. Okay. Some of those parties you went to, maybe one or two. No, but how many people were at the party? There's a difference between you going to those parties versus, hey Adam, come to the island that I have here with. 27 times. Yeah, I to the island that I have here with.

Starting point is 01:20:45 27 time. Let's get them to size. One, seven times. So let me put a portrait of you in a blue dress with heels in the front of the year. We're, that's a different conversation. So I know a lot of times. I stand corrected here.

Starting point is 01:20:56 Yeah, I'm not saying, and I'm just, but what I'm getting at, you're absolutely right, zero contention. The name that is the most liable here is the Royal Family Prince Andrew. You've seen what's going on with this guy. I don't know, is that the actual painting? That is the painting.

Starting point is 01:21:10 Beyond weird. You know what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's,

Starting point is 01:21:18 what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's That painting was in the entrance. Why that's a power play that tells you I own you wow big I own you that was in Clinton's No, that was ever seen The apartment and when you walk into the I think it's I mean we can fact check me But when you walk into the right it's there you put a former president in a dress in high heels in your entry of your apartment

Starting point is 01:21:40 What does that say my own bet is that supposed to be the low whiskey dress by the way? I don't know that's a great question. I might be say? My own way. But is that supposed to be the low-winski dress, by the way? I don't know. That's a great question. That might be, but the Prince Andrew thing. Yeah. So, I mean, as a, as a, as a, how do you depend that as a lawyer? I don't, you don't. Right. I mean, you, you did that.

Starting point is 01:21:54 I wouldn't take that case. I wouldn't take that case. Why not? Because it's, to me, unless he could show me that this was not, like, I would have, I have a very hard time with pedophilia. Look, just because I'm a lawyer, I represented a child who was a victim of rape by a man who raped 20-something other children

Starting point is 01:22:13 in a state by a state employee. He was a systemic rapist, he would groom these children, usually divorce children, and he was the only one not within the statute of limitations that could bring a lawsuit. So I couldn't do a class action. I did this. I got, you know, we resolved the case.

Starting point is 01:22:29 He's fine. He had drug addiction. All these things from that. I can't, as a human being, I can't defend that. I can't. And some lawyers, maybe they can. How do lawyers defend something like that? I always ask that question.

Starting point is 01:22:42 I always ask that question. Yeah. Criminal lawyers because sometimes you're mitigating damages. You're not trying to prove a minute like innocent. You're just trying to mitigate and negotiate. And by the way, it'd probably be a great criminal attorney. I'm not a criminal attorney. I, you know, I would have a very difficult time as a human being as a mother with representing

Starting point is 01:23:01 somebody who I believed was a pet. Alina, so from a lawyer's standpoint, the list came out, New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, billionaire Hedge Fund manager, Glenn Dubin, the prince. The list goes on and on Clinton. There was certain names, especially one that was heavily redacted. Yeah. Okay. This is my question.

Starting point is 01:23:22 There's obviously, I don't know, no victims. I feel so bad for them. I'll pray for them. But how are they still protecting a name of a person that? Well, they're not protecting the name. Why are they? Why are they? Why are they? Why are they redacted? So legally, what happens? So no, there has to be motions filed to unseal and people can try and do that. And I'm sure some of these, you know, the, the Tom Fittens of the world, et cetera, I will try and do so. So there's, so people always say, you know, the, the Tom Fittens of the world, et cetera. I will try and do so. There, there's, so people always say, you know, it's not all public and I want the world to understand this.

Starting point is 01:23:50 When I, when I have a case, when I'm doing a lawsuit, like, there are things you just don't know that are not public. Sometimes the court orders them to be private. There are private conversations with judges and all the, all the parties and they're counseled that are sealed for certain reasons, for protection reasons. I don't understand why that is unsealed. I don't like it. And I would love to know as an attorney,

Starting point is 01:24:15 I think that no matter what, if this goes to trial, we will know, because they can't happen. I'd be shocked if the press doesn't make a motion to have it filmed and public, but there will be transcripts and all of that. At this point, you don't know. There's so many identity issues. And when you're dealing with minors and rape victims, there's a lot of issues that happen. Sometimes it's to protect the rape victim that they don't want their name being associated with that blackout name because they're afraid of being killed. And then

Starting point is 01:24:44 they have to be in. So there's so many things that go on that people don't realize their name being associated with that blackout name because they're afraid of being killed. And then they have to be in. So there's so many things that go on that people don't realize. Now, what do I think in here? No, I'm not going to think that. I think that that's somebody who's very high profile. Obviously, their speculation as to who it could be. Somebody, but I can't understand how Bill Clinton would be revealed, but this person wouldn't. Yeah, like who's more like this is the ex president of the United States.

Starting point is 01:25:05 His name is all over, but this one heavily redacted name. But you know, I know it's not Donald Trump. Donald J. Trump. Well, the love must be going crazy because they just prove all the stuff that we talked about. Yeah. Who is protecting more than him? I was just going to say, would it be a bill? Bill gates, maybe a Spielberg. This person is big and. Tom Hanks, I don't know how do we know it's one person that's having one of them. It's one name. It's one name that I kept seeing that was just redacted, redacted. I think that's strange. Isn't it weird? Unless they're cooperating, you know, there's so many elements that we don't know.

Starting point is 01:25:38 That's how we have the attorney here. Yeah, they could be a cooperating witness. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what that would be. It's so it's so interesting. But you have to remember so much happens before the public knows. You have, you know, I've been in front of a grand jury, you know, in people didn't know and they pull you in, they see if you're going to be part of the papers, that's all stuff that they do and then they pick and choose and they put their storyline together and they decide which witnesses they're going to rely on. But there's a ton of people that go in front of a grand jury and testify. And then what they do is, and it's really unfair because a grand jury is one-sided.

Starting point is 01:26:12 You're not allowed to have your lawyer in there. You go by yourself and it's a frightening experience for anybody. And you just have government, the FBI, the DOJ in there. You have the grand jurors and they can ask you whatever you want. You're not represented in there. You have the grand jurors and they can ask you whatever you want. You're not represented in there. You can leave and ask a question to your lawyer, but you are by yourself. And if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. I had nothing to hide. I went in, I was honest. But if you have something to hide, I could imagine that then opens the door to witness, witnesses that flip, witnesses that cooperate. They plea. So there

Starting point is 01:26:47 are so many things that could have happened there that people don't realize before it becomes public. But I'm happy that it's becoming public. Yeah, you and me both. And I saw something where it's like the, I don't know if the government or the FBI, one of them have all these boxes of all the recordings and everything that he actually was recording, all these people on the island all the cameras all they hitting cameras about He had a room like this pet with all these TVs and recording everything so when they would leave Alina and he'd ask hey I need this favor and the person's like no, he's like oh really that's you with this underage girl or whatever and they would do all the time Me that is the most believable

Starting point is 01:27:21 the rates girl or whatever and they would do all the time. To me, that is the most believable proposition right there. 100% if there's anything we know about Epstein, is he's recording all you might find. And that's why he was so powerful and was getting hundreds of millions of dollars. That's why he's dead. That's why he's more allegedly he might not be. He asked himself.

Starting point is 01:27:39 Yeah, that's right. His business model was blackmail. 100%. Okay, all the child weird stuff pedophilia. Dude, that's all a means to an end. He is using whatever he can to get dirt on powerful people. Left, right center, up, down. And he got and who was he working for is the real question.

Starting point is 01:27:58 I'm surprised Galein's still there. That's crazy. I'm surprised that she hasn't. She hasn't wanted to call for herself. Yeah, that's kind of odd that she's told. You know, you know what this does tell you, don't you? You're looking at the stuff.

Starting point is 01:28:09 Okay, did you ever meet anybody famous when you were with Jeffrey? She asked, I met Michael Jackson at Epstein's house on Palm Beach, asked whether she massaged Jackson. She said, I did not. As for Copperfield, she said that he attended dinner at one of Epstein's home and did some magic tricks. Did you observe David Copperfield

Starting point is 01:28:31 to be a friend of Jeffrey Epstein? She asked, she replied in the affirmative. Did Copperfield ever discuss Epstein involvement with young girls with you? She was also asked. He questioned me if I was aware that girls were getting paid to find other girls. Copperfield, she said in a deposition, didn't tell her any specifics of the

Starting point is 01:28:50 question. Did he say whether they were teenagers or anything along those lines? She also asked, he did not. Trump, those associations, I'm going to support it, I'm not mentioning documents, I'm not saying I can't say, Jeffrey, great. We'll call up Trump and we'll go. I don't recall the name of the casino, but we'll go to the casino. And then ask at one point whether she ever gave him a massage to Trump. No, and this is going, right? Okay, so here's the thing, when you're reading this, there's two things here. One, you have to know these guys are sitting around talking to their lawyers, talking to their people,

Starting point is 01:29:26 like, what are we gonna do? And then they're calling each other like, hey man, what's your plan? What are you, they're dogs, what are you up to? Who's your lawyer? What do we wanna do with this? Did you call that guy? Did you call this guy?

Starting point is 01:29:37 Oh my God. Because they know whose name is blacked out. Of course. If there's anybody that knows the people that have been there know like dirt, you know. No, because I know, not necessarily, I'm going to correct you because I have been, like I said, I'll use my experience, okay?

Starting point is 01:29:51 I'm not going to speculate, but in my experience, I have been in a front of a grand jury, and I have shocking. It's like what they do to every Trump lawyer, right? They like scare you, they bring you in, they think that I had nothing to do with. And they, you know, I had no idea who went in. I still don't.

Starting point is 01:30:08 I don't know everybody that went in. I don't know. I don't know who went in, because we all have different lawyers. Who went into the grand. Who went into grand juries? I don't know. No, no, I'm saying people that went to the house. Yeah, but they all don't know who was involved in that

Starting point is 01:30:20 and who the other guy might be. And because once you go into grand jury, right? That's not testimony that you get until you're on the... What I'm saying is like if you go to a party and you know, we're in Vegas, okay. Body of my dad's like, where are you going to? So I'll be back. I'm 14, 15 years old.

Starting point is 01:30:38 The story of my dad told you the other day, right? And I asked him, so I go downstairs, my friends, you know, we're all trouble teenagers at the time. We don't have any direction in life. We're in this catalyke, we take the dad's car. He's driving, my friend, 15 year old guy. He's driving, I'm 15. Not legal to drive.

Starting point is 01:30:55 This is not your- Well, but it's like two o'clock in the morning. Guy pulls up on this side, okay. And five guys from New York, where are you from? New York, where are you from? Burbank, what are you from? Oh, okay, boom, guns come out. Then all of a sudden, oh my God, here we go.

Starting point is 01:31:11 So we run out. Run, run, run, run, run, everybody, craziness. And then go back to the room. I was like, why are you breathing so hard? I was just exercising. Do a lot of them morning. Do a lot of them morning. Do a lot of them morning.

Starting point is 01:31:21 What are you gonna do? I'm just gonna sleep. He said, what happened? He doesn't find out till I'm 32 years old when I tell him this term, like, you don'clock in the morning. No, what are you gonna do? I'm just gonna sleep. So what happened? He doesn't find out till I'm 32 years old when I tell him this term, like, they don't need to need me. But the people who were in the cattle, like, no. They know.

Starting point is 01:31:32 Yeah, you do. The people who were in the cattle, like, no. So the concern here becomes the following. Here, two stories here. One, these money-powerful people that I've been able to control their card to get away with stuff like this, they did nothing today was coming. They did nothing that this thing was going to be public.

Starting point is 01:31:52 You think they were thinking? I was, they're like, I don't know if this day is going to be coming. They probably thought he was doing everything to protect them. He was doing everything to protect them. So January 21st, apparently, the list, all the other names between now and then is going to be released. More old a story, folks. This is more having nothing to do with politics, having to do with you.

Starting point is 01:32:09 Man, be very careful what parties you go to, okay? And you accept invitations too, okay? Do a lot of due diligence before you say yes to any party you're going to be going to. And if you're going to be going, ask very specific questions. Are any of the guests pedified? Yeah. Is the, I like a roster. Is the party on an island?

Starting point is 01:32:33 Yeah. Yeah. So are there minors massaging people? And, and, and FYI, between then and now, think how much social media, if social media was around, like, you have smartphones back then, people didn't go on that thing on smartphones. Think about like, people would be on the island,

Starting point is 01:32:52 yo, what up, Aaron, Jeffery, F.C. Tyler, we out of here. Oh my God. Put the phone down, guy. What are you doing? Oh no, they would do what they do at a club. Comedy shows to like Dave Chappelle, when you walk into the comedy club in Lena,

Starting point is 01:33:02 there's a bag, you put your phone in, they lock it till you leave. So you don't record the performance. Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, look, the demons. Listen, but you can only control so much. I agree.

Starting point is 01:33:14 I totally agree. Listen, trust me. You don't think I've taken a picture with some weirdo that I don't know. There is. It comes up to me. It says, can I take your picture? You know, that's by the way, that's what happened to Trump. He's got a picture with somebody and she's like,

Starting point is 01:33:27 oh, he attacked me, he raped me, he did that, the other me, he's kind of remember taking this picture. I don't know who you are. And then he gets defamation, re, ba, ba, ba, ba. The bigger you are, the more popular you are, the more notoriety you have, the more pictures they're gonna ask you for. I know.

Starting point is 01:33:43 And then Trump banned Epstein from Marlago, right? That's right. I wasn't gonna bring it up, but I'm glad you did. Trump banned. Trump actually threw him out of the club. Yeah, out of the club because he floated with someone's daughter, younger daughters. Yeah, he was like, no, we're not, we don't do that here. Yeah, you're out.

Starting point is 01:33:57 Yeah, right there. Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from Marlago. He did. He did, right? He did, right? He did, right? He did, right? He did, right? He did, right? He did, right? He did, right? He did face. That's criminal hit on members daughter. Yeah. By the way, that was back in the day.

Starting point is 01:34:05 That just tells you the year he is. What year was that? He's not into creepy. He's just not. He's, you know, it was a long time ago. It was before any of this, but he was a member. And Epstein was a wealthy Palm Beach guy who threw parties. And then the people that figured out who he was probably bowed out for through the mount

Starting point is 01:34:20 of his club like President Trump. And then the other ones that were into it, I'm sure. What is Trump said about Epstein on the record? Meaning like, he's so happy he threw him out of the club and never went to the island. Did he say he thought he was like a scumbag? Oh, I'm sure, I mean, I'm not gonna talk about what, I don't know what he, publicly, I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:34:39 Publicly, he's, I think he's, you know, you're not, he's not concerned. I never went to the island. I'm not a pedophile and I threw him out of my club. I mean, what better facts do you need them? And, but, just off of the person, and we talked about this a lot, podcast. I just look at what Bill Gates is wife,

Starting point is 01:34:52 Melinda Gates said when she goes, I met him one time I had nightmares and it was evil personified. That's a freaking crazy statement. Yeah. To be like, I just met him and I felt like the devil was a candidate for being a capitalist. I mean, how about her him and I felt like that's what it was. That's what it was. But how about that hurt?

Starting point is 01:35:06 I mean, how about her? Galene, like a grooming. Oh, she's, yeah, she's, she's as well. I love, I love, I love what happens to Galene at this point from an attorney's perspective. Honestly, from an attorney's perspective as a, as a conspiracy person, I just hope that it's off the top. All of the, all of the above. Because I would like her to testify.

Starting point is 01:35:20 I would like to see this one. I would like to see this one. Look how rough she looks right now. I want to see. I want to see. Yeah, I want to see. I want to see. I want to see this one. I would like to see this one. Look how rough she looks right. I want to see. We have evil inside you. Look at that. How does she not testify? I mean, only if she does.

Starting point is 01:35:29 How does that work? Only if she does. So they're going to bring her on trial. I mean, they already have better. They have to bring her on trial. I mean, she, you know, she's got to be, she's got to testify. And I hope it doesn't get sealed. Only the identities of the victims should be sealed.

Starting point is 01:35:40 But as far as the predators, those should not be sealed. And they should be bringing charges against those people. And I think, frankly, now that it's public, there's going to be a tremendous amount of pressure to see them do the right thing. And go after people that are now we have the facts. I'm a little disappointed that it takes media to get us there. Can I be honest with you? Like, why did we need to see it for you to have to bring charges? Because as of today, there are no charges brought against Bill Clinton for sleeping with underage individuals. Those victims are alive.

Starting point is 01:36:13 What's happening? Prisoner, prisoner, regardless of his, of his, of his, parents, I don't give a day. Why haven't they, though? This is actually a question. Why, you're, you're sell us. Why haven't they? Why hasn't some law you're gone to the late, to, to the girl? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not?

Starting point is 01:36:25 Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not?

Starting point is 01:36:33 Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not?

Starting point is 01:36:41 Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? settled the suit paid for it. JP Morgan. JP Morgan, which I believe was it? $290 million because that's right. That's right. That's what their top brass were involved in all these emails going over there doing what's your with them Patrick.

Starting point is 01:36:53 So there was a settlement in the money. And part of the settlement is you will no longer sue us. You will take this check. You will shut up. You will go away. Wow. It's a settlement agreement. Settlement agreements are fair.

Starting point is 01:37:04 You're allowed to have settlement agreements. You're allowed to say, I don't wanna litigate. As a victim, I can imagine not wanting to go through litigation, not wanting to be this publicly display your rape and your trauma. Again, that's incredibly traumatic. You know, they suffer from PTSD, real things, real victims. Let me be clear.

Starting point is 01:37:22 Because we have this other legal issue happening in our country right now, which with the Adult Survivors Act and some of these claims that are coming very late that are some of them are fake, some of them are real, but the ones that are fake, it bothers the hell out of me. So, you know, we'll see, but I will tell you, outside of the settlement agreement for cash, there needs to be criminal and that's the state the government needs to bring charges To people that they know Raped underage Women you think you're trying to end you think of trump gets elected that that'll happen

Starting point is 01:37:54 I can tell you if I'm involved in the deal please Please do I that is something that I don't I have no tolerance for that none I would and it's quick and good. Alina, and guess what? The majority of these people, that should be your number one priority. Safety? Rape children. Kids. Kids.

Starting point is 01:38:12 That's the border problem. We have rape after rape. I mean, they go disappear. You know, they have the underwear of these children. It's like a trophy. Have you seen these videos at the border? If you look, if you do some research, I mean, it doesn't take much.

Starting point is 01:38:26 There are individuals that have gone down there and exposed how much, what they do is they rape the children and then they hang the underwear on the fence to show that they've raped children and it's all kids underwear and it's so disturbing. It is so disturbing. It is so disturbing.

Starting point is 01:38:43 Why, what's the, what's the, it's just gangs and sickos. I mean, I mean, is so disturbing. Why, what's the, what's the, it's just gangs and sickos. I mean, I mean, look, understand that a lot of these people that are coming over, that are fleeing in a way that can't get in through a legal manner are because they can't get in through the legal means that this country allows for. We allow migrants, we allow immigrants. We are pro immigration. What we are not is for people who have been charged, who are criminals, who can't get into our country securely, so that we know who's coming in,

Starting point is 01:39:12 so that we can allow you in the right way, and you get vetted, and you're not a terrorist, and go through the normal means. We can't have those people. So what are they doing? They're crossing illegally. We've heard that there's, you know, Chinese migrants going through. Middle East, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, look at terrorists. And it's just an open entry way. So they're raping. And these are probably people that were rapists.

Starting point is 01:39:34 Because we don't know who's coming in because they're just coming. He's been like, saying about it. So this has been a great podcast. Appreciate you for coming out. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep staying tough. And looking forward to seeing what happens. And what can people find you, by the way? Is it just- Oh, I'm so not as Alina Haban.

Starting point is 01:39:52 Alina Haban Twitter. Twitter. Truth social, which I'm more active on and of course Instagram. Fantastic. There you go. Rob, let's put the link below for everything. Alina, I would say in a series,

Starting point is 01:40:03 and thank you for coming out. That's it. It would be many things. It would be. coming out. But it would in many things. Okay, that will do that. But looking forward to hopefully doing this again, sometime in the future. By the way, if I don't say this, my brother is your biggest fan and he told me I swear to God, if you go on.

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PBD Podcast - Donald Trump's Legal Issues w/ Trump's Attorney Alina Habba | PBD Podcast | Ep. 345

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