PBD Podcast - EMERGENCY Podcast | Reaction To Tucker Carlson Leaving Fox News & Don Lemon Being Fired By CNN

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana and Adam Sosnick react to Tucker Carlson leaving fox news & Don Lemon being fired by CNN. FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on https://minnect.com/ Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/ Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I feel I'm so close I can take sweet the story I know this life meant for me Yeah, why would you plan on the life when we got bett David? Value payment, giving values, contagious, this world, I want your panors We can't no value that hate it, I don't run home, you look what I become I'm the under one what I've become. I'm the one. Okay, so this is an emergency podcast for obvious reasons.

Everybody is texting, calling. Did you hear the news? Did you see what happened? Tucker Carlson, no longer with Fox, Donald Lemmon moments later, fired, both respond. Not Tucker has a respond to you, but Donald Lemmon has. Here's what Fox says, we thank him for his service to the

network as a host and prior to that as a contributor. Mr Carlson's last program was aired Friday 21st. CNN about Don Lemon says CNN and Don have parted ways Don will forever be parted as CNN family and we thank him for his

contributions over the last 17 years. We wish him well, and we will be cheering him on in his future endeavors. But this is what Don said, slightly different. I was informed this morning by my agent that I've been terminated by CNN. I am stunned after 17 years at CNN. I would have thought that someone in management

would have had the decency to tell me directly. At no time was I ever given any indication that would not be able to continue to do work. I have loved at the network FYI Foxes stock is down, CNN stocks up, which tells you CNN shareholders are happy. Lemon is no longer with them. Fox shareholders are disappointed that Tucker is no longer with them. there's a lot of different story circulating

will talk about a was your immediate reaction when you heard the news the tucker thing was well breaking news like that came out of absolute nowhere alright and people are texting on getting what you think about this where he's going clearly tucker has way more leverage and way more options than Don Lemon. When the Don Lemon thing happened and he was shell shot, I mean, I think the writing was on the wall for Don Lemon for well over a year now.

He's been a dead man walking at CNN ever since Chris Lick, the new CEO took over for Jeff Zucker. His show, which I think believe, I believe was used to be at 8 p.m., 9 p.m., right after Anderson Cooper. Those guys right after Anderson Cooper. Those guys right after Cuomo, those two had a little bromance going on. He got demoted to the morning show, which their ratings are bottom of the morning ratings

compared to Fox and Friends, compared to MSNBC Morning Joe. But then he was, they had a leave of absence. So as far as Don Lemon goes, he's either completely naive or just completely living in a fantasy land. The fact that he didn't see the writing on the wall. Everybody saw the writing on the wall for you, Don Lemon.

No, but I think Pat, that well, Don Lemon, bro, he's mind you, he's hardcore left, he pushes their agenda. He thought he was untouchable. Because how many sexual assault allegedly, a sexual assault, he assaulted waiters in York he's he's saying the stuff he says about women he thought he was untouchable this is this is I think you're wrong I think it's a real shock because like wait a minute I'm I check all the box

is he's a gay dude he's a blackout they can't fire me and he got shocked but the Tucker thing if you think about it Tucker was Fox news I'm gonna care why everybody else to me Pat Pat, is a filler. Don Bongino, I love all of them, but do Tucker is Tucker. The team, the writing, the producing, the topics, the ball ziness. He doesn't care. He spits the truth.

I think he's obviously way more important and necessary. And I'm just, I mean, shock. I had a cousin that I haven't talked to in years, Pat. That's the first text I've gotten in years was, did you see what happened? That's the one that I got. But it's going to talked to in years, Pat. That's the first text I've gotten in years was did you see what happened? That's the one that I got. But it's gonna be a very interesting 24 hours. Tom.

I think the Don Leman statement that was on Twitter, I found really disappointing, because I think I've listened to his reporting. I've surfed reports to these Don. I really liked him over the years. I thought he didn't incredibly honest ones several years ago about African American men and the African American family I think I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more

about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more

about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more about the fact that I was going to be a little bit more you were you were demoted to the morning. As Adam just said, you were put on basically probation. I leave a absence to go think it out. Do we get Tom's mic on or no? People are saying his mic check for Tom. Can Tom say something? No, we can't hear us. I'll come back to you. So, but you know, you go ahead.

No, I was going to say I think as far as Don Lemon goes while we're on that. Yeah. Vinnie hit the nail on the head. As far as, you know, hitting, checking all the boxes, you know, everything that happens with the DEI movement, diversity, equity, inclusion. You got a gay black guy who's gonna basically sing

and lock and step with your agenda. You would think on the surface, down lemon is the poster boy for what CNN would want to do, but. Okay, let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. So, there's a, Rob, did you say another story

just came in from Mediaite or somewhere else about, if you want to read that, what you just saw right now? Correct, it was a firing. Tucker Carlson's exit from Fox was not voluntary according to sources that spoke with Mediaite. Tucker Carlson's departure from Fox News was not voluntary according to sources that spoke with media I talk or Carlson's departure from Fox news was not voluntary multiple sources have told media I Fox news shock the world the media world Monday morning with the statement announcing the network and its top rated host

have agreed departed ways down here Carlson's final show that aired Friday night showed no indication he expected it to be his last with the host signing off by telling his audience will be back on Monday. A source who spoke with media on condition of anonymity revealed that Carlson was in fact shocked by the news. According to the source, he was totally surprised. He had no idea. Another source added it was a firing. Carlson was informed today explaining why he closed Friday show saying he'd be back on Monday. Let me ask you a question, Pat. explaining why close Friday show saying he'd be back on Monday. Let me ask you a question, Pat.

We just covered the Dominion lawsuit, $785 million that just came down the pike. What, Thursday Friday? We'll never be discussed that. How much is this firing of Tucker Carlson in your opinion a byproduct of that? Well, did you see what his last episode was about? No.

You didn't see what his last episode was about. So it's last episode. Jorge, you guys got to tell his last episode was about. So it was last episode. Jorge, you guys gotta tell me what you're doing. So I'm watching for you and I'm hearing you screaming and I don't know what you guys are doing with the mic. Give me a signal? Yes, thank you. So on Friday, he did his last episode

and he talked about RFK. He said, imagine if I work for a company and imagine if Fox News was being fed and we're promoting these pillow guys and behind closed doors and we keep saying this and whatever they tell us to do, we silence ourselves and we don't say anything, that would never happen at Fox News, right? That's what his message was about on Friday. Wow.

And he was talking about RFK. He was talking about calling out the fact that other media platforms, you know, because of big pharma, they can tell you to silence yourself all this stuff. Now, what's he talking about Fox? The question is, did he know anything on Friday? Did he know anything on Thursday? Did he know anything last week? Has he felt anything at Fox that now that rubric murdoch who is i want to say is ninety two years old i don't know how old he is he's getting up i think he engaged net called it off his ninety two years old watch eleven t-turn ninety two

and in the media industry this guy's one of the biggest heavyweights you know owns wall street journal owns new y, owns Fox. They pretty much had the entire, you know, conservative Republican right-wing side he's had a monopoly on for years. However, he does have two boys and his two sons, I believe, he's got two boys that are running the company and what's the other one's James? James, James, yeah. Two of these guys that are running the company and politically they're not fully on the same page as their father is. Oh wow.

And they're not wanting to go necessarily in the same direction as Pops. Now we don't know that for a fact. These are all a lot of speculation that people talk about. But there's two, there's a couple of things that's going on here. What do you think about when you're 92? How many people at 92 are still doing deals

and you know running and gunning? Are you think about when you're 92? How many people at 92 are still doing deals and running and gunning? Are you thinking about that? Now, Kirk Aquarian, he was still doing deals. And one of them, John Wooden, he's still doing deals. You know, Buffett, Mullinger, some of these guys, yes, you would put them up there. Charlie's not of us 100. Charlie's not 100.

Yeah, so close to 100. He's very close. He's like 98. So there's also an element of I Worked out a company valley total fitness in the 80s. That was the gym Everybody would want wanted to go to valleys. There were sales guys in the 80s at valleys making a hundred 150 grand year in The 80s 150 was a lot of money because Of course. Because you would sell contracts

so people were happy. Everybody wanted to work at rallies. They had the best training. Great things was going on. And then all of a sudden, boom! Suddenly things changed. Standards changed. Comp change.

Vision change. It was no longer about being the best in a marketplace anymore. Then what happened? Gradually, one guy. Second guy left. Third guy left. third guy left, fourth guy left, and it was an exodus with Bally's and arrested history. So today,

you know, with Fox, they may be sitting there saying, well, you know, we have to be very careful what's going on after Dominion 787, that's 20% of your savings and your bank account from $4 billion. That's not a little bit of money. It's a lot of money that goes and gets depleted over a lawsuit, that's a settlement. So by the way, none of the lawsuit was any of it tied to Tucker. It was other hosts.

It wasn't Tucker. 100%. It wasn't even CNN talked about it just an hour ago. That on CNN 35, 45 minutes ago, the CNN host said that 787 had nothing to do with Tucker Carlson. It was other host. Right. This isn't Fox saying it.

This isn't MSNBC saying it. This is CNN saying it. Okay. So, so what a, what a, what a, uh, uh, front on that. Is this just popped again? Is it, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, would you, so would you, so 100% that's what they're saying has nothing to do with it. But do you think in a settlement like that where they go, listen,

maybe Dominion, the lawyers are like, listen, we're going to settle. We won't take this anywhere further, but Tucker got to go. You didn't that something. I think what do you think maybe Dominion's like, okay, listen, well, we'll fight this past for billions. Let me tell you something. But give us. Let me tell you something.

Have you heard rumors that Tucker's not a good teammate? Not at all. Okay. So let me ask the question maybe in a different way. God, let's talk about certain players. Did you hear about Antonio Brown not being a good teammate? I didn't mean to have to be heard about it. Yeah, we have.

All the time. All the time. People after him getting that hit by, you know, yeah, after that. Okay, forget it. Yeah, have we heard Torell owns being a good teammate? Yeah. We never heard you. You're laughing about it, right?

I have. Okay, I have. We heard about who else can you say in different sports? Being good teammates. Give me, give me players that will not get to. It doesn't matter. I don't care. Tom Brady.

Tom Brady's always been a good teammate. Yeah. Okay, Grand Kowski. Good teammate. Okay. Have you heard stories about it's hard to play with Kobe because Kobe would drive people to be so tired mentally messed with them? Yeah, yeah, we heard about that.

So we can't fake that. That's a real story, right? Okay. What have you heard about Tucker as a teammate? Nothing negative. Zero. He's number one period kicking everyone's tail. Tucker's not duplicatable.

You can't find another Tucker, okay? A lot of people think they're Tucker's, then there's Tucker. A lot of people think they're Rogans, then there's Rogan. You cannot duplicate a Tucker. So for Fox News to choose to do this, over the pressures coming from the outside, if you do, there could be something that we don't even know. That's all I'm gonna say.

Yeah, something that none of us even know what a reason was behind it. And here's what we're doing. Anyways, that's one of the things that you're hearing about. Go ahead. I fully agree that Tucker is not duplicatable, but this whole question of loyalty that Trump always brings up. Well, the sentence wasn't loyal to me, loyalty, loyalty, loyalty. I don't know how loyal Tucker was to Fox. Keep in mind, he's been on CNN before, Crossfire with Alan Combs or whatever his name was. He's been on MSNBC. Tucker's not a Roger Ailes groomed product of Fox.

He's been around the block. Talent did no doubt. Been all over Washington. I don't know how much loyalty Tucker has to Fox. And then if you go down the rabbit hole of who's really been the top dogs at Fox, I feel like Fox believes their brand is bigger than one particular person. Just a handful of years ago, it was all about Mac and Kelly.

Then she took her ball and left to, took her talents to NBC, I believe, or ABC. She's no longer there anymore. She's building her own podcast. She's crushing it. Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly was the number one guy on Fox. 20 years.

Yeah, 50 years. Yeah, it wasn't Tucker. So if you look at the ratings now, the most watch show on Fox, these days wasn't Tucker. So if you look at the ratings now, the most watch show on Fox, these days is not Tucker. As far as overall, it's a five. Yeah. So you got the five. Number one at 3.3 million viewers a week. You got Tucker. You got Jesse Waters secretly. Number three, you would think that it's Hannity, Hannity's number four, then you got Brett Bear, number five. By the way, Fox News 92 out of the hundred high-assurated cable shows are on Fox News. So their bench is crazy. And then you talk about

the late night TV shows. Greg Gutfeld, the number one late night show on all of TV, not Colbert, not Fallon, not Kimmel. So Fox has built up a bench. We talk about how deep is your bench. The Democratic Party doesn't have a deep bench. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what transpires, but something tells me Fox says they, they believe they are bigger than any one individual, including Tucker. And Pat Robstock, this you know, on the way here, uh, talk, this might say a lot, Tucker Carlson, senior executive producer producer the number one guy Justin Wells Followed Tucker and left Fox. They didn't say he got fired that either that means he's a writer die panel They listen wherever the star goes. I'm going because a good EP you know that bad good executive producer with those writers

Take me anywhere just put a camera they can do it So I'm interested to see if that guy got fired because now we're finding out the Tucker apparently got fired But that's the guy that's the the time. It's still being silent. Go ahead, Tom. No, I agree with what you were just saying and I'll add to it. One person is not bigger than the brand. When you take a look at the people that have left Fox, Fox has done just fine. Really what you have there is you have the time slot that Tucker was in and Tucker worked for the

audience that's coming for that time slot. And I believe Jesse Waters, I'm not going to call it, but I really look at the lineup and I say, I think Jesse Waters is such an easy slot in and then he'll be the 3.5 million guy. Because remember, the audience is coming for the time slot and then he'll be the 3.5 million guy because remember the audience is coming for the time slot and then the the host that takes it over adds to it. Now then that's Fox. Boy, you have to remember Tucker Carlson is a phenomenal talent. This is the guy that built a digital media company. This is the guy that is

built a career. So anybody that thinks, well, we'll just get another wide receiver, that's not true either. So is the Fox brand significant, or they can be able to put somebody in the slot? Yeah, but this guy is a generational talent. This is a tremendous guy. I don't necessarily agree with you that they're just gonna be able to slot in

Jesse Waters to fill in for talker. I feel like Tucker's an A plus talent and Jesse is maybe a B. I don't know, but I think, don't forget, Jesse Waters used to do water, like, man on the street water for Bill O'Reilly. He was his sidekick, so I think who's the next person to roll? I could see Sean Hannity just out of there at no time.

And Adam, I, coming from Hollywood, I'm telling you guys, the writers on that show made that show. Yes, I mean, Tucker, obviously it's the voice, it's the delivery it's in, but I'm curious to see if those same writers are gonna stick with Fox and write for the person that's gonna step into that spot or they're gonna go with Tucker with the executive producer. Okay, that's a big question.

So a few different things that's been coming up with this situation here with Tucker is, you know, does this guy really want to run for office? Is this a type of guy that could run for office and be a president? Is he that guy? Or does he just want to do media for the rest of his life? If he did, would he have a chance?

A lot of people want him to run. Should he run? Should he not run? Should he sit on the sidelines? Is this a good time to get involved to get in because if you if you think about how Tucker is Tucker is not team Trump and Tucker is not team the Santas Tucker is team audience Wow Tucker Tucker talks to his audience Tucker doesn't ever go you know lock you know he he's the there's a

reason why even the left listens to tucker yeah people who are liberals listen to tucker they may not like the guy but they listen to the guy right they may not agree with what he has to say but i'll say this guy is the guy that i got a listen to to see what the other side's thinking about this is a you know every once in a while it you know you think about it and he said well you know uh... forever we're gonna be fine because we're a larger organization, we're bigger than this, yes. The Yankees, are they bigger than a player?

Yes, of course they are. 27 World Series Championships, you are. Lakers, are they bigger than a player? Yes, 10 championships and 32 years of, you know, Jerry Buffs owning the team, they've won 17 championships, tied with the Celtics, you know, when bus owning the team that one seventeen championships tied with the Celtics you know when shacks that i'm gonna go get twenty million year what did he say

says go get your money i can pay you that gerry bus banked on who cope okay are the bulls bigger than a player no they've never won no michael yeah okay so so you know

there are certain pizzeric steeters are gonna win you know a patriots bigger than Tom Brady No, Brady left you kind of are not winning anything right whether you had the new quarterback or the other quarterback Who they have right now Mac Jones or not? And Bella check it still there's the other guy that was there who was with the not Auburn Yeah, I played for Auburn Camp Newton was there for like a split second two seasons for Auburn. Camp Newton was a for like a split second two seasons. Yeah, I'm not gonna work with Belichick. It was a split second. So, look, obviously none of us know that Dan Bungino is no longer with Fox.

That's last week. You didn't know to go. Gino's got with Fox last week. You didn't hear about this. I didn't hear about this. This was the hell I was. This is the hell. The 20th Dan Bungino Fox News Show ends abruptly after contract talks break down. Okay, so that's Dan Bungino. All right.

Well, can I, can I win? Quick talker story, because it kind of proves your point about caring what the audience has to say. I was fortunate enough to be at an insurance meeting, the ALU and DC, you know, it's there every year. How we met at one of these types of meetings, and they had a panel with Tucker Carlson. Obviously, it was a Republican strategy at that time,

and Paul Bagala, huge Democratic strategist, and an opportunity to do a little happy hour after the event with Tucker, and I happened to just be Santa right next to Tucker, and I go, Tucker, quick question for you. What happened to your old look with the bow tie? Right? He goes, you want to cross-fine? He goes, oh, you want to know? He goes, everyone told me I'd look like a douchebag. So I just, I said, enough, enough with the bow tie. Yeah, that was, that's what you're talking about. John Dele, John Dele, remember John Dele talk before?

He used to do. So that was his look. So it's taking cues from the audience. I mean, that was his look back in the day. If you're not old enough to remember a young Tucker, but that was his look. But I think now with the Bungino thing, with Tucker, with Don Lemon, a bigger question that we talk about is disruption. There's disruption with Bitcoin disrupting the financial markets,

with politics, with Trump's disruption with Bitcoin disrupting the financial markets with politics with Trump's disruption with YouTube and Spotify and podcasting disrupting mainstream Legacy media is the writing on the wall for someone like Tucker saying I don't need this mainstream media Bullshit corporate cow towing to these types of corporate sponsorships and basically hand time what I can say I can go do what Megan Kelly's been doing. I can do what PB basically hand time, what I can say, I can go do what Megan Kelly's been doing, I can do what PBD's been doing, I can do what Rogan's been doing,

I can do what Russell Brand's been doing, I can do it, and I own shit, bring my own audience with me, and make my own money. How much of that do you think is factoring into this situation? I don't think that's... Look, he's the kind of guy. So let's kind of talk about people that can make it in different places.

Can you see Tucker competing on the political stage debating others? On the other side. I can see that. Yeah. Can you see Tucker having his own podcast and doing well? Of course.

No question about it. Can you see Tucker on cable TV doing it and killing it? No question about it. Can you see Tucker running his own small business and growing it, daily caller. No question about it. Can you see Tucker running his own small business and growing it, daily color? No question about it. This is a multi faceted talented guy. And I think he's a May baby, May 16th or May 13th.

He is 53 years old, about to be 54. I think out of all the damn Bunginos, the youngest, he's 49 years old, a 43 year old, about to be 54. I think out of all the men, Dan Bangeino's the youngest, he's a 49 year old, a 48 year old, and Dan Lemon is the oldest, he's 57 years old. If I'm not mistaken, we have Dan Lemon's oldest, he looks like he's 35 by the way, he's a good looking guy. He's a good looking guy.

He's a good looking guy. Let's see, let's see. So look at the different platforms. Okay, because you know a guy like this, when he's a free agent who's calling him. Everybody's calling him. Everybody's blowing up everybody. Who do you think he would fit well with and who do you think he would entertain going to? I think value-taming. No, no, no, no, no, and I'm being genuine. This is the ideal play for somebody like that to be Pat because I mean, yeah, it's going to be on YouTube obviously, but but you're free you could say what you want there's

nothing that I think I mean everything that he said so far because I watch him it's nothing's like too crazy he just says it like you said you know why he's never said I vote for Trump or I'd vote for DeSantis he's right in the middle and he lets the facts like go where they may that's it it's the truth is the truth and it for hurts it hurts and he doesn't give a damn so i mean there are obviously a rumble would would easily take him and what is that for me so i think there's a massive disruption going on right now and but first of all i think he he would fit here i'm definitely fit here because of the number one the journalist of freedom you could

expand number two this is where the audience is going i was reading articles over the week uh... i read in semifore and in Vox. And they were talking about the massive disruption that's going on here. It's like Huffington Post is very quietly trying to get back to subscription and trying to get back to a profit. Vice media has been trying to sell itself for three years. Buzzfeed just laid off a huge chunk of it.

So all of the playing field that was in new media There is a cataclysmic change going on because the companies that are prevailing it are coming out and the flat homepage With subscription a company and a traditional cable channel with the exception of Fox It's hard to make money out there. It's very hard to make money out there. A certain South African billionaire is trying to make money on a text platform. They got 80% of the people and said, if you're going to operate a text platform at scale, the way to make money, you don't need a large group of people to do it. You might just hit the nail on the head because Tucker just interviewed Elon recently. How long ago was that?

A week? A week ago? Two weeks ago? Yeah. And that's exactly the point that he was kind of trying to establish is that he's laid off 80% of what he called like activists, workers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much of a conversation are Elon and Tucker having these days?

Twitter, platform, they're trying to create the super, super app, right? What is it called? And I don't know how much of that could be factored into this. You know, Elon's in the media game now. If he's in Twitter, I don't know. I don't I don't know about that. It made because if Elon was going to get anybody, Elon would probably get Rogan first before he goes after Tucker because that's more of his cup of tea than it is Tucker you you don't really see

But again, you never know could there be a conversation Offline that hey, what do you want to do? I'll invest in what you want? Whatever you want to do. Hey, I'm doing expos. I'll put 20 million. I put 50 million I'll put a hundred and I'll give you some money invest into a company that that kind of a conversation I fully see it I fully see it. I fully see it. Yeah, okay, so look, look at names like him. The comparison some people are making is at Fox. You got him, you got O'Reilly, you got Beck.

Okay, Beck when and did what? The Blaze, the Blaze. O'Reilly did what? You just got to have fun. I'm telling you, killing this is what O'Reilly is. Killin' this, killing this, killing this is what O'Reilly is. No, he's not killing it. Nobody to do, or Riley did, you have to remember what he did.

He went to an independent personal platform with Dennis Miller. They've been on tour for five years selling out, and he's not just promoting books. There is a commentary that he and Dennis Miller do, and so Riley said, my platform is going to be auditoriums across America and I'm going to go door to door to do it. That's what he did. He didn't turn around. He didn't crawl in a hole and die. How old is Bill O'Reilly now? 184. He's probably 68 or 70 years. He's 70 to 70 years old. Yeah. I don't know how much of this. This is me just, but what Elon talks about, you shouldn't

have centenarians in politics anymore, anyone's 70 plus. Bill or Ali 73, Trump's 78, you saw the new numbers that came out, even from the Democratic Party, Biden, you know how they do that word spreadsheet, it's just like old senile, two old, it's just like, I talker was his would be say fifty three i think he you know he's having conversations with musk and the writing on the wall for mainstream media is like it's a dying breed i mean what's the average age of a fox viewer dead seventy something

so it's like if you want to get yourself in with the millennial crowd the thirty forty 50 plus crowd is Fox the future. I doubt it. It's CNN even the future. Doubt that as well. This is the future. I was just going to say, I know we talked about in the last podcast, when we went to go watch as a as a unit, we went to go watch the movie air with Mike, you know, the whole story of Nike and the, this is a perfect opportunity for a company like this, Pat. And I hope that he's listening to come

and give that person a chance. That's like, you know what? We're young, we're hot, we're blue, we're ready. And we look and we see that we have the same vision of where the country should be, where the country is going. And what mistakes we should or we should not make to keep this staying America that it is because it looks like it's going down the tubes pretty damn fast Tom.

I think there's a new NATO out there and it's the people that want to stay right in the middle slightly conservative and have objective debates and conversations about these. And that's where we sit and you know what? Anybody wants to say, oh you're just singing your own song Tom,. Put it in Super Chat and complain about me if you will. But I think objectively, if you look the way we cover things, the opportunity and the microphone that we give to people, it's not just on our side. There's an objective center.

And I think there's a new NATO out there of folks like Joe Rogan. They're very similar to us. And the audience that is being attracted is showing America that those of the new organizations that they want to give their patronage to. And I think that's where it's at. To your point about Twitter, I don't think he's talking to Elon because Elon is building

a highly democratized open platform for everybody and as soon as you were to retain even one talent, even if it was a mascot, you're kind of making a bet on one side or the other, because everybody's on a square on the chess board. No one's dead center. And so I don't think you would do that. I think Elon just wants to let the democratized platform be an uninhibited fair democratized platform.

Obviously, you're having fun. You're saying him coming here We're having fun about this. That's not something Tucker Tucker's gonna be able to do what Tucker wants to do But for me, I'm thinking about it from a different standpoint So at think about your when you were 16 years old. What did you think about? What was priority at six? You don't want to know what I was thinking about

For playing sports video games Nothing serious entrepreneurship Right right I wanted to have fun and I wanted to think it was someone I want to have fun with my buds and Figure out what I was doing for college because it was coming up in two years. Okay. You were responsible Got me what about 26. What were you thinking about 26 different than 16? Yeah, 26 is like career like buckle down. What I'm not gonna have a job.

There's a part of this that kind of sucks. Yeah. Okay. What else are you thinking about 26? Because this was after military about I was thinking more of like, okay, what do I want to do for the rest of my life? Where am I at? Yeah. What do I want a family?

Do it like it's like you're figuring it out. 26. 16 I went from being a just a jack of all trades to actually having a profession and being a specialist and Starting to actually make money up until I was 25 26 money wasn't a major concern But I think something you know a light bulb goes off after a certain age 25 was from okay. How about 36? 36 now you're talking 36 is crunch time settling down marriage kids career You've made your money maybe now. What do you want to do? How do you want to pursue? What's have a passion? You know, if you had a kid at 36

Trying to get three different looking playboys here No 36 house a two-time uncle and I was trying to really be a good uncle I was really worried about being a really good uncle on the table. 36. No, 36. I was a two time uncle and I was trying to really be a good uncle. I was really worried about being a really good uncle on the time. What were you doing at 36? 36. I was running venture capital for sprint. Okay, so we can't go 46, but think about 54. Okay. So you're 53 years old. Okay. Your number one in your space. Got you. You're not a top 10. You're not a top five. You are it. Yes, and I know the five is the five, but this is one name. Yeah, when you think one name, you think Tucker. No doubt. You don't think any other name, but Tucker. Yeah. What Tucker it would Joe Rogan is for podcasts and Tucker is for cable TV. I agree. Period, right? Okay. So at this point, you've made money. You have a lot of haters.

You have a lot of fans. You have a lot of true believers. You know what you want and what you don't want. You're living a life where you know the way you're doing everything your podcast your show you get to dictate your terms and you're seeing what's going on in politics today and and and this is the part this is the party I have to be thinking about I've seen this happen different types of things to different people there's one group that you see people at that age that they've been disappointed and heard so many times that they trust fewer and fewer and fewer and fewer and fewer people in their life and you almost become cold. And what I mean by cold is, I mean literally you become cold. Nothing is attractive when somebody says something to you because all you think about is that's also what they said to me, that's also what that guy said to me. And that's also what this person said to me, oh shit, you're just like the other person.

But it sounds good, it sounds convincing. So you're more, you're harder to convince, you're harder to crack, you're harder to persuade, you know, the typical things that maybe got you excited, hey, we're gonna pay you $2.5 million a year for five years, like, what can't I buy with the current life that I have, everything?

But I do think to some people, when this happens, you sit there and you ask yourself, I'm really concerned about what's going on with America. I'm really concerned with what's going on with certain things during COVID. A lot of stuff was exposed. You either become such a deep, true believer that your fight is not for real reason. You're a parent, you have all these other things that's going on

with you. I think Tucker's a true believer today and there's a part of him that he's sitting there saying, I give all this stuff to Fox for all these years. I gave you the number one show. I'm not number two. I'm not number four. I'm not number eight. You know what it takes to be number one. Let me tell you what it takes to be number one. You have to read every number four. I'm not number eight. You know what it takes to be number one? Let me tell you what it takes to be number one. You have to read every story. You have to read every book. You have to follow what everybody else is doing.

You have to study history books. You have to go to hours on top of hours, on Saturday while everybody's kicking it golfing your reading articles. On Sunday morning while everybody is kicking it, relaxing, sleeping in your reading articles. The number one of any space does things that number two doesn't do, or three, or five even dreams about.

This is a guy that's willing to do the work, willing to put in the legwork. Is smart, is intelligent, is funny, is sarcastic, and is still young at 53. And you're now sitting there saying, what do I do next? Well, if he's a crusade guy and he loves America, as much as he shows that he loves America, I think the next phase maybe he has one or two choices.

Do I chase the billions? Do I go make a few hundred million dollars? Cause he hasn't made a few hundred million dollars yet. He hasn't made that kind of money before. Do I go after that or do I kind of step up right now, run for office or do I go somewhere get echo? What do I do? Or all these people that I've had to answer to,

maybe I'm gonna do my own thing today and I'm gonna build my own fox. I'm gonna build my own scene. These are the things that he's thinking about himself, but he can go any of those directions and he'll succeed, but you better believe a guy that's gonna be pitching him today, it's not gonna be the pitch from the movie air. It's gonna be very different pitch.

Really? Oh, area pitching to a 19 year old. Oh yeah, good boy. What's the parents of the 19 year old? But those parents have never seen money before. Yeah. Those parents have never gotten real money before. They still live in the same house

that they've lived in for five generations. The Jordan family. This guy seen money before. This guy's seen money before. This guy's seen everything before. And he also knows he's the best of the best of the best of the day. So how long will that last? What am I going to do with it? Those are some of the things he's thinking about.

Tom. I agree with that because it's like this is now a chapter that I kind of I kind of see it as you know there are certain proxies that you see every now and then in professional sports. Brady went to Tampa and was successful. By the way, I think Tucker's got a lot more than three seasons left in his bag. Yeah, of course. Baby, I think he's got 20. I think Tucker realistically has 15 to 20 seasons left. Yeah, Peyton Manning went to Denver and was the last piece that they need, but he did it on his terms.

And he had three fantastic seasons. And I think Tucker's got that kind of an opportunity. This, I believe, in many ways ways they may have done him a favor. You know why? Because everything I was reading this weekend, media is changing. It is changing. And in many ways I think he has been given a tremendous opportunity at a time where all these media outlets are struggling. And everybody, you have to remember, Buzzfeed at one point, I believe was worth $1.6 billion. Today, it's valued at slightly less than 100 million. That's crazy.

And they're on the market right now. Yeah. That's, it's $82 million said, $81.69. You know what? By the way, speaking of money, because how much money is gonna be a factor for Tucker? Because I'm looking at the highest paid cable news talk show host you know number one is not even close Sean Hannity number one I think he makes forty

five million dollars a year's net worth two hundred and fifty million according to Yahoo news there's a lot of Yahoo articles out there I mean that's her classically but what you can't really trust everything you see online, but, you know, we'll go with Yahoo on this. Number two, Anderson Cooper makes $12 million a year. Number three, Laura Ingram, she makes 15 a year, sure, net worth is 40 million. Number four, Rachel Maddell, MSNBC. And number five, Tucker makes $8 million a year.

It could have been, you might have had an adjustment in his contract recently as of 2022, net worth only 30 million, because there's other reports with that. How much is money gonna be a factor? I mean, if you're gonna get Tucker, you gotta pay him $8 to $10 million a year minimum. What do you think?

What do you think of what? How much is gonna- How much is a man be a factor for him? Yeah, it's not about how much is a man be a factor for him? It's not about how much is money gonna be a factor for him. There is money being a factor, that's what you're worth. Period, okay. I don't know if that makes sense or not. Look, my market value is XYZ today.

And here's what I'm willing to do for XYZ today. I can bring this, I can do this, and I can do this. And here's what I'd like this thing to be structured as. I'm willing to do five days a week, I'm willing to do this, this, this, this, that. You know, there's a lot of creative ways right now on what to, what offer to make to a guy like Tucker. I got two guys call me, texted me asking, hey, you know, if, if we were to structure an offer form, how would you structure it for a guy like Tucker? And uh, there's, there's different ways to structure, uh, but, but it's not going to be money. For him at this point, because someone guy said, oh, he's going to go to newsmax.

Okay. He's going to go to newsmax because of the, you know, right leaning, that's, that's where he's going to go next is going to be news. But I don't know. He's's gonna go to Newsmax because of stya, you know, right leaning that's that's where he's gonna go next It's gonna be news. Oh, no, no, he's gonna go to daily wire because he's gonna go there to team up with Ben Shapiro Candace Owens Jordan Peterson He's gonna go to no, no, no, he's gonna go to rumble. You know those guys are publicly traded company Two and a half billion hours. They're gonna throw money at him. They'll come out of nowhere and go race captain Give money at him and he's gonna go to rumble. No, no, no, he's gonna go do his own thing with daily color He doesn't need to go to any there's so many different things that you're talking about. Today, Tucker gets to sit down with his wife and the people he respects and says, here's what I want.

Okay. What do you think I should do? Well, I think you should consider this and this and this and this. Okay. Do you still want to create shows? Yes. Do you want to go politics? I have no desire to politics. Do you want to start a company? I don't want to start a company. I like my life. Starting a company, uh, uh, starting politics. Starting company is, it's a terrible life when you start a company. You don't have a break. You know, like, hey, I'm going to go take a two week PTO. Good luck. Starting a company. There's no PTO when you're starting a company. So very different thing. Does he want to do that? I don't know.

I think, I think, you know, look at Michael being a player versus an owner. What was he better at? Playing. It's not even, Tucker's a player. Yes. Can he own equity? Can he have investments?

Can he have equity in a deal? Like a William Shatner price line? Okay, like a, you know, Kobe Bryant water, what is the vitamin water? Can you have investments? Can you have equity in a deal? Like a William Shatner price line, okay? Like a Kobe Bryant water, what is the vitamin water? Or 50 cents? 50 cents, yeah. So these guys, the equity play is the way to make the money without having to do the day-to-day stuff

of operating. So, but there would be many creative ways. Tucker's gotta take the next, if I'm Tucker right now, I'm taking a the next, if I'm Tucka right now, I'm taking a week off and I'm telling everybody, I'm good man, give me a week, I'm spending time with the wife, and I'm hanging out with the family and I'm doing my own thing, and then sitting there talking to the 10 people I trust the most,

and I'm inviting them over to my house. I'm sitting there talking, I'm saying, so what do you think? And in a way, you're gonna bring those people not to ask them what do you think? And in a way, you're going to bring those people not to ask them, what do you think? They're going to be asking you questions, okay? And good friends in your life will ask you questions. And they're going to prompt thought that may thoughts you didn't have before. And then he's going to say, okay, well, this is maybe my next move that I'm thinking about doing, great.

Let's go play ball. And Pat, you mentioned about, we've touched on about politics. What do you think the percentage would be? Because you were talking about him and I mean, I believe him. I know, I know, I think he loves the country and he's pro-America and I've, you know, he, he spits facts left and right. What do you think that the percentage or the chances are that he goes, you know what? I'm going to, I'm going gonna take a shift if you really care and try to change and go into politics

and be like a, let's say a vice president for a president that's gonna be the front runner. And then, that's not gonna be it. He's not a vice president. No, you think he'd go for a president? Tucker is a president. Oh wow. Listen, if a fricking comedian in Ukraine becomes a president

and it's painted as Churchill by the left, this guy can be the president. And by the way, Churchill, what did he do before he went into politics? What was he in what industry? Was it the car? Well, what industry was Churchill in? He was a writer, he wrote so many books, articles, journalism. He was in that space.

A lot of people from that space this this could be a a way of Shocking everybody next week talk across and announces 2024 run. Yeah, what yeah, the world will lose their mind if he says that okay um And what about his chances pat like if he does Let's just say he does and let's say a Trump is the number one, and it's him, and it goes on to him and Trump. What do you think of percentage of the people

that, like, whatever his chances? I think he's automatically number two. Wow. What? I've had a dissentist. Wow, let's say I'm a good guy. Oh, DVD, how can you say that? I think he, you guys are so funny.

No, I believe, I think it's all by yourself. You are so funny when you say, how could you say that? Listen, you know uh... uh... what why the trump run for office and when why he was tired of every day but he has no background and first of all which one of those guys he ran with

had more experience in actual policies and politics than trump all of the state everyone except for carcin every one of them yes but what are you talking about brobil in Trump, which one on the state? Every one of them. Except for Carson, every one of them. What are you talking about? Rubio.

Well, you know, what was the guys in from Walker message? What was the guys that you called? Scott Walker's gonna be the one that's gonna be running by a winning president, Jeb Bush, generations, you know, father, brother, president, Prescott, $140 million they want and then Trump shows up. All right, hey, you're short, you're fat, you're ugly, you're this, you're that.

You have small hands. Okay, you have small hands. You're done. And only Rosie O'Donnell or whatever he said, right? And so why did he though? Why did he? Because he gets eyeballs. Listen, you know who's on fire right now? You know who's on fire right now. I'm, he's such a necessary voice today. Every time I watch his, I'm this guy's freaking guy is great at what he's doing. The veck Ramazwani is unbelievable at what he's doing right now. I don't know whether he's going to win or not, but the way he handles debates, arguments, points he makes, brilliant, smart, politics, success, one immigrant, 38, he's got so many

things going for himself and he knows how to defend yet give his own argument He's got so many things going on, but even him Tucker starts day one he's a number two Tucker starts day one. He's got the number one show for God knows how many years the day He starts Tucker's number two Again not because of experience in politics because that's the Santa centrum. I balls. It's because he gets eyeballs. Day one.

Okay. Now, by the way, can we run a poll, run a poll Rob, of do you think Tucker Carlson would run for president? Okay. And I'm going to give mine. I'm going to write down. I want you to see what the polls are going to be within them.

Because last time I was time I got a right. I said 65. It was 61% right. I'm gonna write my score right here. The chances of Tucker Carlson running for president, okay? Okay, all right. So just chances of him running. Chances of him, this time around.

Chances of him running it. And I'm talking 2024. I'm not talking future polls. 2024. Right, you start the poll. Tom, can you guys all text yourself? Okay. Text yourself what you said the ratio is I'm going to put mine. Okay, I'm going to put mine and this one is risky.

Of him running. This one is risky, but I'm going to write this down. Oh, man, I'm so curious. This is just of him running. That's it. One's one just him running Okay, this is of him running. Okay. Oh, if I get it right on the dot. I'm gonna put it right there And you're guessing what they're there. I'm gonna guess what they're gonna guess audience Let's see if we're connected Says a risk we're taking folks by the way some people are gonna totally answer it the other way just to kind of screw up the algorithms, but it is what it is. We'll play along.

So Tom, Tom, likelihood of Tucker running 2024. My number? Yes. Who was it? 30. You're at 30%. What did you put? I put 25%.

What did you put? He's five like 5% 80% he's running. Yeah, you just sold Now I'm 80% What is a born salesman We have 2300 votes in the first minute. Let's see what we got. What is it? What is it say? I said Oh my god, I'm good. What did it say? 75 25 look at my answer. I put 28% yes 72% know they said 75 25 people on the same page So how insane is that huh? I don't think they think he's gonna run. Because there's a high likelihood he doesn't run.

Okay, there's saying I'm the biggest talker. No, you're just saying that. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying to you is if he does, he's number two, day one. Damn. I'm telling you, watch this. Think about this, you're watching the question

I'm about to ask you. Listen to the question, I'm about to ask you. You ready? Here's a question I'm about to ask you listen to the question I'm about to ask you you ready yeah here's a question I'm about to ask you put Trump put the Sanctis put Tucker okay who has made the most money in his lifetime okay who has the most experience coming up military Congress governor state all of them not even close. The perfect president. You ready?

Who has debated the most unnational television? Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson. Preepied point lawyer. One of my favorites. Preepied point lawyer. I think this guy's got it. I think he's a guy that can actually do it.

I just don't know because here's what's going to happen. You can learn a lot about a lot of different people on how they live their lives. This is a guy that, based on what I'm hearing, he doesn't show from his house. He's not a guy that's traveling all the time to DC to other places. He's not a guy that wants that harassment

that's coming his way all the time. He wants to live a different kind of a life. He's not Trump that he wants to be out there. There's a part of the sentence that the sentence also doesn't want to be out there, but the sentence loves America. Of course. And the sentence is a fighter, and since he was 18 years old, the sentence wanted to be a president.

Okay, that's come one I've convinced that the sentence was the guy that in high school, you're like, this guy wants to be a president, he's going to be somebody someday. He's not a guy that accidentally became a congressman accidentally became a governor this is a guy that knew intentional he was gonna be that and by the way respect and salute to anybody that had a vision and I vision became a reality 100% but if Tucker's right now sit on thinking what I do next boom

when that be sick when that be sick though if he knows I don't want to I don't want to burst. I don't want to burst your bubble. There we go. But breaking news. Nah, Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon team up to start a new show on MSNBC called Mother Tucker. And there it is. The dead. Don Lemon and Tucker. I can totally see it. Totally joking. I'm like, I'm so good at it. Yeah, I can see it. Yeah, that's a red pill blue blue. Yeah, that'd be a funny thing. No, but but again, so with Tucker, it's so funny at the beginning, we told the down lemon story and not once how we touched on the down lemon story. I will say why? Why? What do you actually think is the

future for someone like down lemon at this point? You want to tell you? Yeah, you're ready for this answer? Yeah, it's Tom, you didn't like this answer. Down lemon's future is to go to any network that needs a great D.E.I. Score You're right. Yes or no? You're I am lemon is gonna go to any network that needs to improve their D.I Yeah, I'm a trooper That's right. He's a D.E.I. Score candidate

What's the likelihood that Don ends up on Fox? And he's like the old Juan Williams, one black guy, Democrat, just getting lambasted by the rest of the team over there on the five. I don't see Don Lemon as a hard working guy, research stories, books. I don't see him as that guy. What do you mean? You don't get this far without doing your work? No, it's a telephoto. By the way, first of all, he's, it's very hard to look that good. He's a very good looking guy. Good talker, you know, extremely confident in himself, very confident in himself.

He's a guy that's like, he just, he, he looks at himself as a, what do you call it? As a superstar, as a diva. But there's a word for it. He looks at himself as a what he called it as a superstar as a diva, but there's a word for it. He looks at himself as a I'm somebody he thinks highly of himself. He's got a very larger than life Confidence in himself. That's down lemon. No, but down lemon is not I don't see down lemon being Chris Cuomo I think Chris Cuomo was Chris Cuomo. He was a heavyweight. I think Chris Cuomo studied I think Chris Cuomo called his brother. I think Chris Cuomo stayed up reading articles. I think Chris Cuomo, he was a heavyweight. I think Chris Cuomo studied. I think Chris Cuomo called his brother. I think Chris Cuomo stayed up reading articles. I think Chris Cuomo got up early to work out

and read every article and saw everything that everybody said on Twitter the day before. I see him doing that. I saw Chris Cuomo doing that. I even think Maddow does that. I think Morning Joe does that. I don't think he does that. But Pat, I think he's a little bit lazier.

And I don't think Don's gonna find a network like CNN that I mean for all that time watches your ass and mind you know how sassy he'd be on air. Somebody would say something. He's like, listen, oh, you can walk out. I'll cut you off the air right now. He's not going to find a place like that. Guys, any final thoughts because before we wrap up, I got to head up to a salasca gang. If you're watching this and we were on the same page with the score, give us a sub to the channel here. And pack guys 26,000 audience.

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