PBD Podcast - FBI Whistleblowers Tell All! | Ep. 276 | Part 2

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

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but going back to it like you're not going to be a dummy making nine point two so i'm really i want to know about this christwere guy because you make a nine point to you drop it your you get your job by trump recommended by christie you know and now christy's flipped obviously yesterday i saw the funniest meme that said christy should run it all the time but Christie should run all the time. But he just should call the president.

A little hilarious. So go back to it. This guy's not a dummy. No, I mean, he's obviously an educated guy, but I think if you go back a few months, he's taking that trip to the world economic forum. Okay. And he wasn't getting that with his $9 million.

He cares, yeah. And what I mean, by the way, I'm not a world economic forum guy. Not a fan of class Schwab. Can't stand ESGD, ICI, corporate equity, equality index. I'm not a fan of HRC, human rights committee. I'm not a fan of open society foundation. So this is not an endorsement of that.

But okay, if you are going to be the director of CIA, you're probably going to go to world economic forum. You're probably going to go to a lot of these weird meanings. So what? Why give up that 9.2 million and you get the job by Trump? Like, let me kind of put it this way, whenever a CEO, Trump is a CEO, whenever CEO is hiring a C suite, a director of FBI is a C-suite. I think there's gotta be a more thorough investigation into assigning that job to somebody, rather than that you like that guy, put him in, right?

So to me, you know, if the other side also says, hey man, so why did you give him the job? You had other options, you had other people to look at. So if he did, Trump's not a person that doesn't have experience doing this. He's hired tens of thousands of people over his career, not low-paying jobs, million-dollar salary, half a million-dollar salary. Why does a Trump, who's a shrewd businessman that's a street guy, he's sat with the toughest of the toughest, done the biggest of deals, why does he pick him, and if he did, he must

have seen something in this guy, no? He had that interview that interview, I believe about a month ago where he was asked specifically that. And he said that it was recommended to him. And he wanted somebody that was going to be acceptable to both Republicans and Democrats. And that was really what his thinking on it was. And I think he took recommendations from people who he trusted on it. But I think then the question is, is it a Trump issue or is it a Christopher Rae issue? I think Christopher Rae took the posting because it allows him to have access to the seat of power and maybe financially,

that himself later on, but it ultimately boils down to, he is now in a position to impact our country that he wasn't going to have that opportunity at working at the same time. Listen, I mean, there are a few jobs that are powerful jobs that's definitely one of them. So if somebody calls you and says, listen, we're thinking about offering you the director of CIA job, you have to consider that. That's not a lightweight job. That's a job that comes with a lot of different, you know, director of FBI, you know, that comes with a lot of different, you know, director of

FBI, you know, it comes with a lot of different responsibilities, but also at the same time, you're into thick of things. Like, you know what's going on. You're one of the, you know, 50 most powerful men in America that's making these types of decisions. So I get why he would entertain that. I think this is the clip you were talking about. If you want to play this clip about Kusur and Trump. We are all examples of that. I can't think of a more sobering way to end a hearing. I yield back what I was looking for. Corruption weaponization.

Rob was watching a movie on Netflix on the background. So we just enter a prop. Apologies from our behalf, please. It's all right. We messed the entire thing up with the movie he was watching about things that they are doing that are wrong. That's not it. There's this again. That's what I'm talking about. By Pat while he's looking for that,

how would you do it? Pat, what would make you as a business guy and you're making 9 million a year for this? What would make you give up being almost a 100 million dollar man to do that? Oh, you definitely would do it. You definitely did. To be that just the power.

The responsibility of a man is to do the following. If you're a true American, number one, make your money. Number two, protect your wife and your kids, set aside money for her and them. We're there taking care of. Number three, take care of yourself financially. Number four, give back to the country. The country that gave you this incredible life.

Public service comes in many different ways. One is church, one is military, one is nonprofit, one is government. You pick and choose what you want to do. So I totally understand why he would say yes to that. Life is not just about making the 9.2 every single year. This is a heavy weight job. There's almost a duty when you get a call from the top, especially president, offering you a job, would you like it or not, you have to really take it for consideration

because it's a, listen, you get a call from the top, saying, hey, you got orders, you're going to camp Casey. You got orders, you're going to Afghanistan. You're coward if you don't take it, right? There's an element of that. So there's some of it that's public service. But do you think it was any of it was kind of macnaferious where he's like okay i'm gonna get in and now got i don't know the guy i don't know the guy all i know

is it look it if rob if you can figure out if you got that clip to go back to it if it's still messing up don't worry about it but before even play this clip if you can do me favor go to status that with the report i just sent you with the trust american people have in the fb i this is just from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty two okay blu's democrats have the same amount of trust in fp i as they did in twenty nineteen as they do today uh... dark uh... navy blu is overall is down from fifty seven to forty four

independence are down from forty eight to forty one that's down seven and republicans are down forty six to twenty six down twenty so democrats obviously love what the fp i is doing because they're targeting the guys that they hate the most by the way there's nothing about this that's a fox news poll this is the tista there is nothing about this that's emotional now see if you go to the other statistic that i sent you with with which since nineteen eighty five i don't know if you have that one as well that blue line means that blue that that

so everybody still wears a mask on that blue line as well. That blue line means that blue line means that blue that so everybody still wears a mask on that blue line. I just want you guys to know that blue line. Everybody's blowing a mask. Yeah, I think I think it's a problem when it's a hundred percent your political party over the country. Yeah, like to me, I'm sitting here asking questions about Chris. He's a Republican Trump. I'm like, what you just you can't just say, oh, it's all

everybody is on the other side as far. No, there's some decisions every spot. I texted to you, Rob, you have it. Go to your text. You don't need to look for it. It won't load. Oh, it won't load. OK, then don't worry about it.

And then go to the video. Go to the video. I'll try to send you a different link with that. Let's see what Trump had to say about hiring Chris Ray. You have to be with Chris Ray. But just so you understand, I put Chris Ray in because I wanted to have somebody in there that everybody, including the other side, really

wanted, it may not have been the right move. Let's see. Time will tell, okay? But I wanted to have somebody in the FBI because I'm an honorable guy. I'm an honest guy. I may have made a mistake, but I put somebody in that the other side, everybody agreed to. You know who recommended him to me?

Chris Christie, okay? He recommended him. And that's okay. I don't mind that. I've taken Chris Christie's recommendations before. And other people wanted Christopher Ray. And people from the other side wanted Christopher Ray. But now I'm investigating you. Yeah. So I remember I remember how reason was that this is not too long ago. Now this is like a this has got to be like a couple months ago, right? March of 2023.

There you go. Yeah. This is a couple months ago from saying that. Yeah. So for me, going back to it saying, well, Chris, Ray, this, Chris, Ray, that I got a follow up question for you here. That has to do with the public. You were kind of going through with the question. Is we the people, right? With, with where we're at. At what point do you see, like you know how the government is running, you got the president and then the governors get to decide how they handle COVID.

You were gonna shut it down in California and non-essential essential, or they're doing, for us like, no, no, no, no, we're opening schools. We're opening this. Hey, here's what we're gonna do in South Dakota, but here's what we're doing in Illinois. Michigan, shut it down, it was a New York.

This is what we're doing, but this is what we're doing in Tennessee and this is what we're doing in Texas. Okay, so the states kind of get a chance to make their decisions for themselves. Is the FBI really going to let officers work cases rather than DC's HQ controlling you? I mean, is it time like for the FBI to roll up into the DHS or is it time to kind of just, you know, the DHS or is it time to kind of just, you know, disband them and move on. What do you think they need to be doing? And will they do that?

Will they allow, you know, different markets to kind of do their jobs? Would I say, no, we're gonna step over here and hear us what we need to do? I don't know that they'll allow it. The FBI has ever since Hoover really, they've grown into this entity that, even within the DOJ, they basically are in charge of themselves.

They always essentially have been and they will hold on to that power as long and as much as they can. And I think part of the issue with Ray might be he is a DOJ guy before his lavish career as an attorney. That's another problem I think with the FBI and the DOJ. FBI directors continue to come from DOJ. And so now you have like this, it's basically like this intercession where the head of the FBI was a DOJ guy.

I think that's problematic because that limits the checks and balances potentially. But overall, the FBI doing the right thing and giving up some of that control. I don't see it happening. And I don't know if there's enough. Well, look at what's happening in Congress right now with this source reporting. The FBI just literally does whatever they want. So I don't, I don't know if there's an entity that could even make them break up and, and limit some of the power and control that they have and see it at over to DHS or somewhere else.

But, that would be my fear about we're gonna massively reform the FBI because they would be clinging on to the power that they have. Now, as far as being regional with the way that cases are investigated, they are done to certain extent that way now. And you have the case, you have the office in El Paso. They're gonna have a lot more drug trafficking

and border related activity, just geographically than Omaha, Nebraska. So they're able to sort of drill down on what they want. Now, what I would like to see happen is I want to pair back the domestic intelligence collection and maybe we could model something after the way that the UK does their law enforcement because currently having a law enforcement slash domestic intelligence agency, that's the stuff of the Stasi and the KGB, that's secret police stuff.

If you go to the UK, they have MI5, that's domestic intelligence and we can debate whether or not what the extent of what the powers they have, but they don't have guns, they don't have the enforcement power. All they can do is bring that intelligence over to Scotland Yard and make recommendations and assist them in their law enforcement. Then Scotland Yard can use their discretion as far as bringing criminal charges. If you did something like that, that might be something that could be debated. As far as the nuts and bolts of operating, the FBI only has 14,000 agents.

The majority of the work is not done in the big cities. It's done in the resident agencies that like Wichita, Kansas, and my Daytona Beach or Sioux City, Iowa, where I worked, those cases are brought in by the small offices that liais with local law enforcement. It's impossible to do the work of federal law enforcement without assistance from your local partners.

In Daytona, we had eight agents for an area and then come just one million people. Can't police that with eight people? You have to rely on your sheriff's offices, your police departments, and there's nothing, the task force officer deputization process that goes on where essentially you bring the guys in, the FBI pays their overtime and deputizes them as US marshals,

give some federal arrest authority in addition to their state arrest authority. They bring in the local knowledge and the local cases that say, hey, that would be great. Can we bring some fed charges against this organization and this occurrence that happened in my community? And that's what the FBI should be there for to assist the locals because they know

where the usual suspects are. The FBI is just nerds that are sitting in an office for the most part. That's a chart right there by the way. So we just learned today FBI agents are nerds but we're probably the biggest reveal today. So this is a public trust in the government from 58 to 2022. And if you look at that from Eisenhower, Kennedy, say flat, a little bit higher and Eisenhower, you know, weren't about military industrial complex. Kennedy comes in They definitely don't like the Kennedys with what they have going on and I'm boom. He's out Then Johnson comes in. He loves power and control. So that goes down

Nixon comes in. Trust goes down. Obviously watergate all of that fort comes in flat Carter comes in down Reagan comes in. He increases the trust in the government during that eight year. Bush comes in, goes down, Clinton comes in, increases, Bush comes in down, Obama comes in flat line. Trump comes in, he increases it, now Biden's in here and you don't have the 2022. This is the number I give you was once shown how dramatically it's dropped the last three years.

The other one that we were looking at, which kind of shows a completely different perspective. So when you see this, you know, the closest institution that I can see as a case study to the FBI is the mob. And in the mob, there's something called Omerta. Omerta is when you, you never share what's going on on the inside, you essentially don't whistle blow in the mop. And if you do XYZ, they're gonna come after and all this stuff, right? So there's a threat of never one of the code of honors of importance is not coming out silence

in the face of questioning by authorities or outsiders and non-cooperation with authorities, the government or outsider, especially during criminal investigations and willfully ignoring and generally avoiding interference with it. the government, or outside, especially during criminal investigations, and willfully ignoring, again, generally avoiding interference with it. I mean, this sounds like Hillary Clinton when she was being helped, you know,

when she would not answer anything. Yeah, no, I'd play no, no, no, no, no, no. Right, and when Komi's going through all this stuff, 33,000 emails, what's the big deal? What's the big deal? You delete emails all the time. What is the difference between, she broke her computer. Maybe she was pissed off at Bill.

What does that have to do with you? Anyways, they were talking about yoga pants, right? Obviously, that's what the emails were all about. She wiped it with a rag. Yeah, that's a sweetheart, right? But here's the part. Is there an Omerta model in the FBI where, hey guys, whatever we're doing,

there's one thing you can't ever do as an FBI agent. You can never whistle blow. And then behind closed doors, you're being trash as an FBI agent. You can never whistle blow and then behind closed doors You're being trash to say you guys can never trust them because they whistle blow if you talk to them Just as soon as they're recording the conversation just as soon they're gonna say this is there that kind of a vibe and Energy in the FBI as well or no? Tell them about the training the new training. Yes, there is that vibe for sure And you got to tell them about your ASAC and what he said to you. But every year, every federal employee has to have its mandatory by government whistleblower

training every single year and insider threat training every single year. And my whole time in the FBI, they were always separate. This year we found out because thankfully there are still some good people in the FBI that that training was merged into one. So the FBI didn't even say, you know, whistleblowing is good and you can do it like they used to. They used to say, yeah, it's protected. Now they combine those trainings overtly saying whistleblowers are insider threats. I mean, that was the takeaway from the people we know in the agency who took that training.

That slide deck was released to the public, so we can go see it. It's online. And it's like, okay, so the FBI is not even trying to hide the fact that they will retaliate against you. And I think that's government wide. Look what's happening with the IRS. It was a blower in his squad right now. But the FBI has a culture.

They have had a culture since Hoover's era of FBI first no matter what and if you go against the FBI I can see them. We're we're coming for you. I applaud you guys for Speaking truth to power right you're shining light on justice There's a lot of people that probably do not want you talking What's so ever? Who would you say is at the top of that list? What names? What people what institutions are like? Garrett friend get these guys, silence these guys, muzzle them right now.

Who's at the top of that list? I think the DNC as a whole, we were in person recipients of that at that hearing, the things they were saying, the way they were twisting things and lying about us and about our whistleblower status and comparing us to people who committed espionage and whatever else.

And then I think the mainstream media as well, because they're lackeys of the political elite and the political elite are typically on the left. And so my deposition that I went to in February really stands out for me because I was led to believe, just like I was with my transfer, I was led to believe in good, and I accepted both in good faith that everything was kosher.

So I go to my deposition a couple weeks later, I get a call from my attorney and he says, hey buddy, I got some bad news for you, I got a call from CNN and they have your name and they have some information about your deposition. I was told, don't talk about this deposition unless it's with a privileged party. And so I left that deposition thinking, hopefully they will investigate this. And I told them there to the Democrat attorneys as well who sat in on the deposition

because that's what I agreed to do because it's not a partisan issue or it should not be a partisan issue. But we're seeing that it clearly is. It's a right or wrong issue. It's like, bro, you have a soul. You want to just be a partisan issue, but we're seeing that it clearly is. It's a right or wrong issue. It's like, bro, you have a soul. You wanna just be a good person, you're a Christian,

and it's like, bro, I'm talking about this. Many podcasts, evil right now. I don't care what anybody thinks out there. Evil is winning so hard, and it's embedded in our government, the governments of the world, and I feel like it's, we need people like you, but their power is so freaking strong. They've all sold their souls to the devil,

and the price is not cheap, bro. I gotta hold up that bargain. Who else would you put on the list? You get the DNC, you get the mainstream media. I see the FBI. Okay. Yeah. The FBI is a whole, the Ray, bureaucrats,

every other agent. SCS level, yeah, at least. At least, or HQ as a whole, most likely. Okay, who would you say, yeah. I would agree that the executive levels, level, at least, or HQ as a whole most likely. Okay. Who would you say? Yeah. I would agree that the executive levels and also the Department of Justice too. And that even goes down to the management structure, even as ASAC level, so assistant

special agents and charges that are still on the GS scale because they are climbers. Don't ruin my gig for me. So I'll name check Colt Markovsky and Sean Ryan as the ASACs who sat in the office for me. And when Colt Markov said to him that I took an oath to protect the Constitution and he responded back to me, you have a duty to the FBI. That was just a watershed moment for me. When I took my oath, I tore that oath in front of God and my family, and people who sat around me who I thought were my friends.

How uncomfortable is it to actually name names? At this point, I wouldn't pee out of the fee. It was on fire. Here's my question about the use. Since you guys out of the pee, it was on fire. Wow. Wow. Here's my question to both of you since you guys, you know, we're in the FBI. Do you think because you guys have come out and you're doing this, are they monitoring you guys? Do you think is there a possibility because you guys would know of anybody? Are they doing what they actually do for a living?

Yes, are they tapping you guys? I'm proud, are they monitoring? Are they making sure what you guys don't go? I mean, I don't know the depths of how much I'm pretty sure you guys have information, but you think they're watching you guys? I don't know for sure, but the day I got suspended, I had a very odd thing happen with my phone while I was talking to an attorney. And it basically cut out, and then I couldn't get back and touch with him, and I was getting

an automated message. And once I did get back and touch with him in this guy, this attorney, he's a retired FBI agent as also, and I said, hey, I explained to him what happened and he goes, yeah, they probably tapped it off. Who do you think is watching this right now? Headquarters, right? Security division definitely is.

I know that for a fact, I did an interview with him and they were very tongue-in-cheek about, oh, we were big fans of that podcast you did. I was like, I'm glad you gave them. Did you give them a like? Okay. Yeah, guys, quick reminder, like, subscribe were big fans of that podcast you did. I was like, I'm glad you gave me, did you give him a like? Okay. Yeah, guys, quick reminder, like, subscribe to Peabody's podcast. Yeah.

Leave a five-star review. Yeah. Going back to what you were saying when I asked the question about the Omerta, the code, and they trained you. It's FBI above this. You said, you know, you got to tell your story. What was the one story you wanted to share? That was the, he said, my duty was to the FBI

and not to the Constitution. Do you have the clip about, you know, where I believe it's, I wanna say, which one is it where it says they will destroy you, they will crush you and your family? I think you have the clip. If you can play this clip on, yeah, it's that one right there. This is, here it is, this is you talking and this one, yeah, that's you.

Just play the whole clip. I want the whole thing. We have a 20 second one, but we'll play this one. All of the hardships you've gone through, if one of your really good friends, your former colleagues came to you and said, I have this thing that is being covered up, and I think the American people need to know about it.

What advice would you give them? I'll tell them first to pray about it long and hard. And I would tell them I could take it to Congress for them, or I could put them in touch with Congress, but I would advise them not to do it. So you would legitimately try to protect one of your colleagues from doing what you have done. Absolutely.

And how do you think that solves being able to shine light on corruption, weaponization, any kind of misconduct that exists with the American people? It doesn't solve it. But the FBI will crush you. This government will crush you. And your family, if you try to expose the truth about things that they are doing that are wrong. And we are all examples of that.

I mean, that's pretty powerful And we are all examples of that. That's pretty powerful. I can't think of a more sobering way to end a hearing. I yield back. So you would tell them that to, so now if you go back a year ago, and you have that conversation with your wife, whatever the timeline is, when you wouldn't have done what you've done already.

I'm not saying, if I had a crystal ball, I don't know, because how do you sleep at night then? And, you know, I have four little girls now. Back then we had three. And I had a conversation with Maya Asak at one point, and he was trying to walk me off the ledge a little bit. And I think he was acting like me doing the wrong thing. So just towing the line was caring for my family. I think that that's cowardice. And in

the book of Revelation, it tells us that cowards will be judged when they sit before the Lord. And how could I then as a man raise my daughters to be women of integrity and to do the right thing even when it's hard if I wasn't willing to do it? So I'm not saying I wouldn't have done it, but the Congressman asked me, if one of my really good friends came to me with that information. Not only would I do what I answered for a friend, I would do it for somebody that I don't

know in the FBI if they were too unwilling or too afraid to do it, but they knew that they had something that needed to be brought forward. I made that, I made my oath many times, twice in the Army, once when I re-enlisted as a police officer, as an FBI agent, I meant it, and I was willing to stand in the breach. I'm in the breach now, so bring it to me. That's fine. I'm okay with that, and we will get it to Congress or whistleblower attorneys or wherever it needs to go, because the american people need to know this stuff

yeah there's no question about it that we need to know this stuff but you know it it ruins lives meaning people like you it ruins your life and you know silvia garcia i think it was a congresswoman from california was trying to say you're not a whistleblower you're not a whistleblower you're not a whistleblower and i think debbie waserman who comes across as a total sweetheart from the

border very good here to know she was talking about how this whole thing is about the book and you're doing you know just a book and then I think Debbie Wasserman who comes across as a total sweetheart from Florida. Very good hair. She was talking about how this whole thing is about the book and you're doing it. Just the book and then another lady comes out and says, you know, I cannot believe what you guys are doing. This is defunding the police on steroids. She was one from US Virgin Islands. It's black. Blast it.

Blast it. Yeah, when she said that. So you see this stuff. Obviously, this is the part of discrediting, right? Defund, which was phase one, we're suspending you with pay, right? If they're suspending you, you're not getting paid. And then 7,500, which by the way, strategically, it's the dumbest thing to do. If you want somebody to go away and not, typically, what would happen in businesses, here's a severance package, sign this defamation, hold harmless and move on. They do the opposite. So these guys will be terrible

in business. They're dummies if they're not doing this. The way to do this is to listen, we're going to give you one year this. Good luck to you. We're sorry, they don't work out. We should nothing but the best. But no, they cornered you. Will you have to do this? And come out and talk about it. So also. So also, running an organization is not a wise thing that they're doing. The other thing I wanna play, if you can play James Comey here, he was being interviewed this week,

and a question's being asked, and by the way, this is a guy that loved being interviewed a lot when his book came out, he was everywhere, right? Comey, Comey, Comey, Comey. And in all of a sudden, he's disappeared a little bit, you know, but this was a interview that was done, what, is this like a few he's disappeared a little bit you know and but this was a interview that was done what is this like a few days ago a couple

days ago I don't know what the exact date on this is it's not too this could have been a couple days ago if you just play see what he says here really honest honest loving guy to people yeah people in law enforcement which matters so as for the Durham report 300 pages four years investigating the investigators. One of the things that did come out of it was that procedures, regular FBI procedures were ignored, that steps were missed along the way in this investigation. In fact, director Ray said when the report came out, yeah, we acknowledged that a couple of years ago and we've changed all that.

Those changes are already in place. Do you acknowledge perhaps some mistakes were made along the way? Oh, definitely. And they were found four years ago by the Inspector General. So there's nothing new in this new document. What were some of those mistakes from your point of view? Oh, that the FBI didn't communicate clearly the status of certain sources. They didn't double check certain information before putting it in a court application for a foreign intelligence wiretap and a bunch of others. And so do you believe now as these some of these politicians call for

defunding of the FBI that that has been corrected and then now the procedures are in place to avoid those kind of mistakes in the future? I think so. But in complex investigations there's always going to be mistakes. It doesn't mean the FBI is incompetent honest and independent. So, Dr. Whitson, does it mean that from your time there, with that honest, incompetent and independent? This is your former boss. How do you feel about what your former boss is saying here? Well, he's doing the same thing that the FBI did after the initial release of the Dermaford. It's that move on.org move where this is old news. This is already addressed four years ago. We can't tell you how we did it, but we did it. And again, back to his

college of Cardinals mindset of I'm beyond all ethical, reproach or questioning in anything that there's no personal accountability there. He never says, yeah, I messed up. He never takes any sort of responsibility for something like, I'm going to direct agents to go and talk to Mike Flynn because I hope that he lacks candor and we can charge him with a process crime. And I'm going to brag about it openly. Isn't that the players code? You know, like guys, you know, when you're a player and you have a lot of girlfriends and you're coming up, you know, the code is you can never say you did anything wrong. Okay, you can do this.

So if James Comi was a guy that he shows a lot of signs of a player, you know, playboy type of a guy that I, yeah, so he, I feel like he listens to a lot of R&B and hip hop, he just kind of seems like that kind of a guy. But going back to it, so for him, yeah, it's not a big deal. So, you know, it's not, not a big deal. So, you know, it's not a big deal. We've addressed it, we've gotten better, it's cool. Is it the mindset of never, ever admit and just kind of be casual and cool about it and

move on? Or is it more a, you know, cultural thing of the FBI is just him that's doing this? I think it's the culture of the FBI and he just embodied it. I mean, you just, the reputation for the FBI is everything to it. Protect the shield at all cost. When I was accused of making this recording of my meaning with my ASACs, which I did.

I was asked about it in my interview. My compelled interview, which I was not allowed to have an attorney actually assist me with, just sit there and watch. They tried to get me to lack candor so they could charge me into a search warrant and arrest me. I had said, yes, I created that.

The natural follow-up for anybody, and these are FBI agents who are asking me these questions is, can we get a copy of that? Because I was making some rather huge revelations to them that I was being possibly compelled to do something that I felt was a civil rights violation. They never asked for a copy, which means they have a copy,

as I suspected my ASX recorded the conversation as well. And they were not worried about what those guys told me, they were just worried about the exposure. Reputation is everything. What about we can you look at Yelp to see what their online reviews are for FBI. How many positive reviews? I can't even help that. This can be a half. Please let it be a half.

Or a half stone. It's really that's got to be a joke. I was actually just joking. Can you read the reviews?. It's really that's got to be a joke. I was actually just joking. Can you read the reviews? Go to the bottom. I'm not sure. Tell me this is a joke. This has to be a joke, right?

My family and I were given a tour. Oh, it's a tour thing. Experience, okay, go down. Is it actually FBI? Some of the FBI needs to go. Race should be the first. I had no clue. The other way, if you have bad experience

with the FBI, go write a Yelp review on the FBI. He got so money. He's a guy with a boss and getting three stars. Yeah. There's no chance. There's no. Go a little Lord. This is actually comical now.

I couldn't even believe it. I start. So goes with so I have a confession. My dream job even now is to work for the FBI as a field. It seems so exciting, fun, interesting, saving the world and fighting crime. This is what 2016 was a lot of his chains since then. Miss Maggie C.

So go a little Lord Jerry Lee. Okay, keep 2016, what a lot has changed since then, Miss Maggie C. So go a little lower, Jerry Lee. Okay, keep going, keep going, keep going. So it was this one. Walking past the back and building, I turned to my husband and said, I bet this is the FBI headquarters. I feel like I'm an episode of the X-Files long behold,

long behold, when we reached the front, it was, I wish we could have gone inside, but it looked like a close, not sure if it was a secret thing, there perhaps it was even open. Like Wallyworld from National Emplifier. I'd like to see what Trump left as a review of the FBI. This place is corrupt. I would never come here again.

I'm going to do a report. Let's do the Durham report before, you know, I got a couple other final questions here before we wrap up. So the Durham report, one of you guys, let me read this one, this is an article from May 16th, page four. So whistleblower detailed, distorted, and twisted FBI weaponization claims right at the top. FBI Special Agent Geared Boyle,

a whistleblower revealed their retaliation he faced after testifying to Congress, I won't hold my breath there, a whistleblower General General General General General General General General General General General General General he stated, I won't hold my breath there because I'm sure they are going to ramp up the pressure to try to get rid of me even more now. Oh, Boyle described a two-tiered system within the FBI,

starting at the headquarters level within which we have talked about that as well. But it follows up with the story. Where is this one here? Is that the video that says FBI, whistleblower, Steve Friend explains how the FBI evolved into an intelligence agency after 9-11. We talked about that as well. The Durham report, when it came out, it was just kind of like, hey, yeah, cool, moved on.

Nobody really did anything with it. How much was in there for someone who actually wants to do investigative journalism to go deeper to this, to hold some people accountable? Because there's a part of America that thinks, you know, there are people in jail today that sold weed 20 years ago, that they're still doing time. There's people in jail today that did a crime much smaller

than what some of these folks are doing at the top with their different families, Biden's, you know, Clintons. You hear these types of stories like, how are these guys getting away with it? There was a moment where it's like, is someone gonna be held accountable? So when you guys being a former FBI agents, when you read the Durham report,

did you go and say to other agents inside and say, listen guys, you guys read this report, what do you think about this? Did you see what was said? And then if you did, what was the reaction from your peers? Was it like, no, it's not a big deal. What are you talking about? We can't even bring that up.

Yes, did you bring it up too if you did what was the reaction of your peers? So I was out of the FBI already after the Durham report came out, but as that investigation was going on, James Coney mentioned how, or Chris Ray, I forget, one of the clips we watched where they implemented years ago,

fixes for these things. Okay, well, if people of integrity and character were running the investigations, those procedures would have never had to be fixed anyways because they wouldn't have been broken for one. But in my circles while I was in the FBI, everybody had the opinion that the Russian hoax was exactly that, a hoax. We knew it already before the Durham report came out, and now that that report is out,

I think it's very damning of the FBI. But like you said, it's just, you know, washed over in the media. Nobody really cares. Nobody's paying attention. And then they're digging on their own. And I think that's also problematic about the DOJ and the FBI as a whole. James Colme himself refused to be interviewed during the Durham investigation. Why? You were the director of the FBI at the time, but you're not going to interview for that. And then he asked, like, oh, not a big deal, we already knew all this. It's that hubris that's especially at the top,

but that hubris, people of that character are attracted to the FBI for whatever reason and it has infected the agency. Yeah, I mean, I was already gone when the Durham report came out and I unfortunately, my FBI contacts are Garrett and the other sub-blowers at this point. The guys I spend the majority of my conversations with. And so we have our opinions on it.

But I do know from experience that a lot of agents are just, that's above my pay grade. I'm not even aware of it. Helpless. Yeah. Well, I mean, and even when we were in the hearing, we had it from multiple people say, people didn't even know you were testifying in front of Congress that day in the office. They're like, what you're talking about? Well, for, willfully, we'll fill ignorance. What? Yeah.

How can that be done? We see that at the top two. So last week, Jill Murphy, another assistant director was testifying before I forget which committee. And she straight up says, Eli Crane, I forget where he's from, but his questioning of her is particularly poignant, I think, and there were some other ones who asked her some questions. She's never read the Twitter files. She's never read the Durham report. She's not giving answers based on her own program that she's in charge of. She's not able to provide answers.

And she's in charge of it. And it's like of counterintelligence, I believe, is what she's an ADN. And it's like that, also that willful ignorance, or maybe it's even coerced ignorance to not pay attention to the things that are going on in this nation. When I got hired by the FBI, I thought it was going to be

a national effort where you're paying attention to the things happening. You're doing your best to do what's right, no matter what, but it's simply not the case because people are they're comfortable. I think as a nation, we've gotten too comfortable. It's that whole cycle of hard times, great, hard men. And I think we're in a place where before too long,

we're going to be on really hard times. Are there more whistleblowers, other guys who are on the inside that reach out to you and are saying, hey, man, I want to come out, but I'm afraid I've got a wife and kids to take care of, I've got to figure out a way to have a little bit more savings before I do this and I don't know what job I'm going to do after this.

There's no way anybody's going to hire me. Are those types of conversations being had right now? Yes. Yes, yes. And a lot of people are actually on the inside giving us information that we're able to come out with. So like yesterday, I was able to come out with the fact that they gave all FBI employees three paid hours per week for wellness.

Now, you combine that with the three paid hours per week for physical fitness. For wellness? Well, mental wellness and physical and... Looking at a break and seeing that. Medifisable things. Yes. You could do yoga and color and whatever. But you combine that with three hours for physical fitness, yes. You could do yoga and color and whatever. But you combine that with three hours

for physical fitness, paid lunch. FBI agents are supposed to work 50 hours a week, most work 40. So now you're talking 11 hours out of 40 per week that they are paid to not do their job. 27.5% of the time of an FBI agent to not investigate. Why would somebody leave that job then? Correct.

Okay. So you're saying what you're doing right now is you are the chief recruiting officer FBI. They just got 17,000 applications right now. I'm going to the FBI. Hey, listen, I heard you guys are paying well and you don't expect me to work. That's awesome. I'm in, right? I want that job.

When it comes to FBI salary, what's a starting mid top level expectation of what and salary and benefits of what you receive being an FBI agent? So it's the GS pay scale. You start as a 10 one, but you also get availability pay, which is a 25% bump in pay. So talk numbers. So it's about 70. Yeah, as a 10 one. Yeah, that's that looks about right and then you're at about 78 grand right start start Yeah, and then after five years you get Probe it to GS 13 stuff one and so you get the law enforcement availability pay which is 25% bump This is agent salary. We're different for the other positions, but And then depending on where you live you get locality pay

So one of the smears they put out against us is oh well there paid hacks from cash Patel Okay, go ahead and say that that he paid us money right before Christmas from his foundation Because we had been suspended without pay already and our whistleblower activities had already happened the retaliation had already happened Where I was headed to Virginia, I was gonna be making about $132,000 a year, because I would hit my GS-13 coming up here in like another month or so. And why would you give that up?

And the benefits, the salary, the job, it is one of those reviews on Yelp. Oh, it looks like such a cool job. Yeah, it was, it was a great job. Steven and I were both swap guys, which added an extra element of service and, but also like a more fun aspect instead of sitting in the office all the time. Instead of being a nerd, like Steve Tucker. You get the cool guy fact. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, the new unit I was heading to, I was really excited about what I was going to be doing there.

And so, yeah, for people to say, oh, they're just grifters and paid hacks and all this, not further from the truth. But yeah, I've told my wife just read, because all of this, you know, we were probably getting to a point where we were, the callus was forming over a lot of what has happened. And now in a very public way, it's all back. You know, and I'm talking about it every day, which is fine. I hope that is part of the healing process for me, but this journey has not been easy. And if I could pick, snap my fingers. Yeah, I would be making my $130,000 salary.

And I'd be more or less an anonymous FBI agent. I don't think I really look like an FBI agent. So I'd blend in well. And we were comfortable, you know, but now everybody knows that phase. That beard and hair. That whole, but you're kind of gq out here. But getting outside your comfort zone is also a good thing. And I never thought my belief in that would lead me

into something like this, but as strange as it is to say, and probably to hear, I'm grateful that the Lord has put this opportunity in front of me because I can only go forward and hopefully glorify him in the process. That's awesome. I will say that you do have the Adam Sandler, Zohan Lukto. I don't know if you know that look, that's a legit look. I can't get it out of my head right now.

That's all I'm thinking about with the hair doing all this stuff. We got a few good men and we got the Zohan. So if you want to just show the picture. I mean, there is an element of a little bit of Zohan stuff going on there. It's a good looking guy. Okay. So a couple of things here. There is an element of a little bit of Zohan stuff going on there. It's a good looking guy. Okay. So a couple things here. ESGDI has the FBI been bullied by the ESGDI stuff or not yet? Are they sitting there saying, hey, we need to make sure the people were hiring a third of them or from a

underrepresented community, whether they're part of the LGBTQ disabled black, you know, I was hoping that I'm a Middle Eastern and they don't have it, but, black, you know, I was hoping that I'd have Middle Eastern and they don't have it, but Native American, something's like that. Is there anything like that happening within the FBI? It's rampant, rampant. Is it really? Full fletch. I know you said about the pride flag that was in there, but what do you mean, full fletch?

Unpacked that for us. In turn in my office, she came in one day and was a he with blue hair, and we all just had to move on. And this is somebody who needed a security clearance to work in the facility. She needed a security clearance to go from a sheet to a he. No, just to work in the FBI facility. That's why I couldn't be an FBI agent anymore. They suspended my security clearance

for looking at the employee handbook improperly. And this being came in and obviously had some mental issues. And that was something that we had to accept and just move on from. The trans woman you're saying. Yes. Does that have gone in your pocket or are you just, okay, sorry, you're not feeling it.

You're not feeling it. The Academy now has issues where there are females that are claiming that they're male, but they still want to use the female standards for the physical fitness test. So they're having to deal with that speed bump. How about from the top? I mean, that stuff I can see happen, and because it's a little weird today, the market is

a little weird today. How about from the top? Are you guys hearing stuff from the top, you know, the headquarters, Ray, people from the top saying, here's what we need to do moving forward when it comes out to recruiting guidelines, etc. Is that happening? Yes. That's a full initiative all we need to do moving forward when it comes out to recruiting guidelines, et cetera, is that happening? Yeah, that's a full initiative that we need to do with diversity hiring. They've reduced standards for some matters of hiring

because they wanted to increase the pool of minority applicants. And then if you just want to go on a strict gender basis, FBI's majority male in law enforcement. However, they want equal representation amongst the management class to be male and female. So there's a disproportionate amount of female representation within the leadership structure because it just isn't there aren't a lot of females that join the FBI to begin with. So a lot of those females are elevated very quickly because they have to fill those slots 50 50 or close to 50 50. How much of this is trickled down from the stories that used to come down from J Edgar Hoover. Everything, you know, the stories that this is the FBI building. You cross-dress in high heels. We don't talk about that.

Oh, now this is the one that you can't talk about, really. It's strict, they're both. It's wow. No, I'm joking. You're joking, you're joking, right? Most people don't, most people in the FBI don't know the history of the FBI. Yeah.

It's a government It's a government agency that you might as well be working for HUD. Yeah, for most people. It is a government job Based on our conversation. What does that mean? You don't know the history of the FBI know about Hoover or Coentell Pro. I have a hard time building. It's it's you guys know more about the FBI than most FBI employees. Correct. How's that possible? Well, full ignorance Will full ignorance. Will full ignorance. And I think a lot of people that join, I mean, look, at Folders Closure, I saw a point break and looking,

they look like an awesome job. Yeah, I'm a Reeves. Yeah, FBI agent. But I saw the X-Files. I saw the X-Files. I wanted to be Fox Malder. Yeah. Wow.

So that was the inspiration. Yeah, there's J.A. to go over. But I think a lot of people, it's a verypaying job with a lot of esteem attached to it. And there's a great opportunity to be underworked and overpaid. If you're even as an agent, you only have to do one investigative activity per case every 90 days. That's very unfortunate. They don't teach the history of the FBI to, you know's it's like what we see running rampant with kids they don't teach everything about the constitution

declaration of independence everything that how government works that you see these man on the street interviews can you name the three branches of the government they're like uh... i don't know well let me let me ask this question i'm about to pose this and by the way if you can put this i'm going to put it on twitter as well rap if you can ask this question and comment below just anybody that's watching a to post this. And by the way, if you can put this, I'm going to put it on Twitter as well, Rob. If you can ask this question and comment below, just anybody that's watching a pod, post this below, what would you like to see the FBI actually investigate? Like here's what I would like to see the FBI investigate.

And I'm wondering if any of that even came up or talked about how much, how actively are they investigating the list of names from Epstein? How much are they investigating what happened with Epstein? You know, Jolaine right now, story came out yesterday. She's worried because she told on a couple of people that are within the jail. She's worried for her life. Who knows if she's saying that or somebody else saying it on her behalf because this week is the week where she's going to be meeting the same Peter to decide whether she's saying that or somebody else saying it on her behalf because this week is the week where she's going to be

Meeting the same Peter to decide whether she's going to hell or heaven. Who knows what's gonna happen to her this week There's a lot of people in that world that can predict someone's lifespan. It's actually very good technology. They have How much of the investigation into Epstein is currently happening or when you guys were in there? That was a guy that they were looking into I don't have any personal knowledge of that, but I would bet not a whole lot. And you guys probably know this, but who is the prosecutor assigned to Jolaine's case, James Colmy's daughter? In law enforcement, I learned quickly

that there's not... That's crazy. There's not very... Oh, the supper quick. There's not very much coincidence. I'm at a point, especially combined with my faith I don't believe in coincidence at all. I think it's all it's all happening for a reason and the FBI and Eps I mean, why is that story not front and center until we find out about every single person on that list? Yeah, but we don't ever hear about it. No, yep

And imagine they took seat they took you off of that type of investigation, like you were investigating those type of cases, right? And they're like, no, no, go after somebody that was on a bus that wore a mega hat. Check this out, that's... That's... The assistant US attorney, Maureen Komi is one of the lead prosecutors

in the case against Ms. Maxwell and had been due to try Epstein prior to his death in 2019. The daughter of the former FBI, James Cummings, the head of the SDNY, a violent and organized crime unit and has been with the office since 2014. And by the way, isn't the Comis very good friends with the Clintons?

You think so? No, I'm curious of from... I know he was wearing the Clinton gear in 2016, he was taking pictures, I don't know if he's got a relationship. Oh yeah, and he, a member, he, him with the, with the, who was it? Who was the attorney general, Loretta Lynch? They, they took the charge from gross negligence

to extreme carelessness. And he was just like, yeah, what a, probably exactly what dude, I agree with you 100% bro. It's like I believe in, in, in God, and I think God, you know, told you to be this person, but these people, bro, they're so intertwined and it's so until I, that's and I think God, you know, told you to be this person, but these people, bro, they're so intertwined and it's so until I,

that's why my question early, I'm like, is it gonna change? I think it'd be take an act of God because these people are so in there. Let's stay on this though. Let's stay on this. I actually wanna know this a little bit more. Right, but if you can pull up the shirt, for some people that wanna buy this shirt,

we wanna make sure we give a shout out to the folks that wanna buy this shirt, that James Comi was wearing, which is, where is it? We're great marketers and we have to, as capulists, if there's great shirts, we want to help contribute towards people that need to be shirts. This is James Comi's Instagram account.

In 20, I don't know what the exact timeline was. This is on Instagram. When you posted this, the exact date is, is it 2018 or something like that? He posted this this elect more women? I think that was Hillary Clinton August of 2020. There you go. So that's that shirt, but go go back to Epstein That is something people want to know. Yeah, that is something people want to know people want to know what's going on there What's who's behind it? So maybe let me ask the question a different way. So you guys were both FBI agents. If the FBI actually wanted to investigate and look into

what happened with Epstein, ask former agents, how would you go about doing that to get the intel, to find that exactly who was on the list, who did what, do we have enough information, do we have enough access to stuff, or we could get that kind of stuff, who would you talk to, would you go to Jelaine? What would be the procedures to learn more about what's going on with the Epstein? I think from what we do know, I mean, there's enough reasonable suspicion and probable cause

on many people on that list where you can open a, at a minimum, a preliminary investigation which opens up some of the FBI's capabilities in investigating people. I think very rapidly, you would be able to open most of those into a full investigation. The FBI is very powerful. There are some wizards in the FBI when it comes to technology or investigating or just digging into a case to get as close to the truth as it can. And the way the Epstein case has been treated and essentially brushed under the rug

should be alarming to everyone because that should be as big of a case in the public sphere as any case that has been in the last 10 years at least. Because of the type of people on that list and the type of bizarre things that have happened along the way. But give me steps. Like what I'm looking for is the following.

So for example, I come and I say, listen guys, here's what's going on. I've had a person living in this house that I owned for the last three years, that paid rent for two years, the last 12 months they've not paid rent, I'm trying to ask him to leave, they're saying they don't have to leave.

Every time I go to the door, they don't even open a door, they're doing this, they're doing that, the house is trash. As a lawyer, what are my next steps on what to do? You would say step number one, we have to apply for this. Step number two is we have to send this letter, we have to document this. You need to show this, do you have that?

Do we have to take pictures? We have to send this to this person. Within, once we get this back from the city, I want to know step. So if right now, say Chris Ray changes, and it's a new guy comes in, okay? And you are now replacement for Chris Ray, minus the $9.2 million income that you made this year. You're to make that money. But you become the new Chris Ray, okay? And one of your top things you want to find out about is parents in America have concerns with pedophilia, okay? Child porn, all of that, which by the way, I think at one point

I read an article in 2016, FBI was the biggest distributor of whatever access to child porn that they had. There was some article that was written about that, Rob, if you want to look for this. But say you have two things on your list. One is child porn, getting to the bottom of who's doing that, kind. And then the other one is Epstein.

How would you go about doing it? If you are now Chris Ray today? Well, I think that they have to avoid the temptation that they had with the Trump investigation, where they look to headquarters and start a task force there for people who haven't investigated crime for a very long time. I would get somebody like Garrett who has no connection there to do the work that he's been doing his whole career.

From the outside, not from the inside. No, from the inside. Inside. There are investigators who have a security. And there's some great investigators who know that's all they've done for decades. So I think staffing is number one. You can't just say, well, this guy, he's in charge of this division, so he must know what to do.

That's not how it works. It has to be the guy who you don't know his name because he spent his entire career arresting bad guys. Legit, actually, functionally what you would have to do is you'd have to either consider re-opening the Epstein investigation or starting a new. If it was my case, I'd be probably arranging for some sort of a proffer with Maxwell, where she'd be queen for a day and reveal what she could to me and then go off of there and start knocking on doors for the individual she names, because those are people that are in positions of power

and influence, they have a lot to lose. They will want to cooperate fully with their own proffers of the game, and you're just really going to have to, at the end of it, pick your snatch. What would you do? Similar like that. I mean, I guess if it was handed to me and said, all right, you're a turn. Your turn, take over.

First would be a wide sweeping search of the FBI system on everything related to Epstein. And this is how I always worked my cases anyways. I would get all the background information or as much as possible that already existed in the FBI system. And shockingly enough, there's a lot in the various type of systems that the FBI has.

And with a case like that, I mean, there's so many people involved, so I would start, I'm certainly an FBI has some information. Then I'm going to start going for each name. Each name that's in the case in the case file, no matter how thinly associated to it, I'm going to dive into each one of those to find out more what the FBI already knows. And then once I have as much knowledge as I can about what has already been investigated, I'll go forward from there. And I would imagine there's enough information to investigate more people involved, the

prison where Epstein committed suicide and you know, whatever else. And then we have the overseas connections and the money too. That's a big one. Follow the money. It's always money, money, money, money, and Epstein is a money guy. Most of what I know of the Epstein case came from MarterMade podcast. He has done a really good long-form series on Epstein, three parts. If people are interested in this case, listen to those.

It's like I said, there's no coincidence in law enforcement. The Epstein case is a primary example of that, going back historically to who he was, how he got started, his connections with the Clintons, going forward to his death. And so there's a big, there's a lot of meat on the bone with that one. And so only knowing, okay, and I'm sorry, good,

only knowing. Only knowing what we know in the public sphere. I mean, that's that's one layer. And so there's a lot more beneath that. And do you have access to enough Intel data, contacts, relationships that you could actually get to the bottom of what happened with Epstein? If I had access to FBS systems. If you are the director of FBI and one of your top three issues was, I really want to find out what the hell happened with Epstein. Do you have enough access to find out exactly what happened and come out with the intel

on that? Maybe not exactly what happened, but pretty close. Pretty close. And how long would it take you to be able to give that report to the American people? Okay, it's like that. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it depends on how many people get brought in and I mean, and also you're getting with finances, you have to do subpo get brought in and I mean, and then also you're getting with finances

You have to do subpoena bank records and there's a Laps in time there. I think you could probably do a pretty good job in a year Pretty good job in a year. Yeah, okay, so within a year you could get that intel to us Yeah, especially if you had you know, I don't know five five really staunch case agents Mm-hmm and and intel analyst or two and that's all you worked on. This is why he could never be a manager because he wants to investigate perhaps the biggest most important case in the country and says I can do it with five people. If I had five people, I would want five hundred.

Yeah, that's true. Okay, let me ask another question. So you guys are on the inside, you've seen what's going on. What do you think the FBI should be investigating today? Like if they were to truly do their job of what their job is for, that we as taxpayers pay them to do, what do you think are the top three things

the FBI should be investigating today? Top three. I think fentanyl coming across the border, I know we have the DEA, but FBI, that's a big part of what the FBI does because cartels and whatnot. I think that's a big one because it actually impacts the American people everywhere. Let's see what else. Election interference, actual investigating it. The FBI, it's what one of our purview is, but I'm not really seeing much actual investigation

in it. Instead, the FBI is interfering with elections themselves. So that's a problem. And then third probably, probably gang violence and that type of thing, because that has only exploded more since COVID. Really, gang violence is exploded. It's gone up. OK. So three, are you on the same top three as well as him?

I mean, I would put child pornography. Oh, wow. Because it's you could assign every agent to child pornography all the time. Let me fix my list. I got to add that in because that rampant. Yeah. Can you unpack that like for some of us? We're not in your world. We don't know how bad it is. All we do is we have to read about it or we don't read about it. That's the one, right? 26 FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images. This is from USA Today. This is the one I was talking about 2016.

Okay. So the operations whose detailed remain large is Seiko's at least the third time in recent years that FBI agents took control of a child pornography site, but left it online in an attempt to catch users who officials said would otherwise remain hidden behind an encrypted and anonymous computer network. In each case, the FBI infected the site with software that punctured that security allowing agents to identify hundreds of users, the Justice Department, acknowledging court filings that the FBI operated the site, known as Play Pen, February 20th, March 2015 at the time the site had more than 215,000 registered users.

Wow, it included links to more than 23,000 sexual explicit images and video of children including more than 9,000 files that users use to download directly from the FBI. Some of the images described in court filings involve children barely old enough for what? Kindergarten. The approach is a significant departure from the government's past tactics for battling online child poem, which is instructed that they should not allow images of child being a sexually assaulted to become public. The Justice Department has said that children depicted in such images are harmed each time They are viewed and once those images leave the government's control agents have no way to prevent them from being copied and

recopied to other parts of the internet So okay, this is this irritates and frustrates a lot of different people all you have to be is be apparent You got four kids. I don't know how many kids you have two kids boy girl. What's the boys? Okay? I got four kids boy boy girl girl and as a father you see this one your paranoid naturally the level of paranoia goes up the day you have a kid but why is there not a deeper investigation into issues like this? I think and he worked it so he might be able to talk to it more but I think it goes back to what we're talking about with the stats. The FBI sees as a site like this and instead of shutting it down and trying to get into another site, which they can do,

this says software, another way it can be done is if you catch someone who created such a site and now you give them a deal or turn them into a CHS and say give us access. And then the FBI can take it over that way as well. But instead of just shutting it down and moving on to the next one to try and shut down the next one, they leave it open so then they can get more users into the site so then they can slap them with possession of child porn. Instead of digging deeper, this is where you need your good knuckle-jaging investigators who are out there doing the grunt work because, okay, yes, possessing child porn is horrible.

It's awful. Yes, arrest those people when you can, but don't allow them to access a site that you're in control of so you can do it. Go find the people who are producing that type of child porn and get them. The users and possessors of it are going to be able to find it. So yeah, it's like Wack-A-Mole when it comes to possession of it. But allowing, it's seizing a site and allowing people to use it, I think goes to that stat padding and honestly goes to a particular type of evil that the FBI is participating in. I think there's a cultural component to this that there's not a lot of appetite even from the public because it's so egregious and gross and nobody wants, we just want to

think about it. I want you to have your press conference where you put a dozen guns and a big pile of dope on the table and all the money and say, look, the FBI is doing a good job. I can live with that as a citizen because good job cops, but if you start talking about images of six month old babies

being sort ofized, I've seen. Yep. That's not your reaction right there. That not going to be good for my image even if I'm talking about putting it and that that would want that job like I don't even want that visual I didn't want that it what a freaking job but it is it is a necessary yeah I'm going to stand in the breed yeah I'm going to do that because it has to be done and we need to have our lawmakers have the courage to stand up and pass the laws that are necessary to actually punish these guys. And then look, the laws for federal

child pornography creation, it's like 15 years for an image. It's, I mean, significant. Who, show me the lawmaker that is going to say be a naivot on capital charges for possessing or creating child porn. Who would be though left or right? There's some judges that were arguing to lower the sentences because it's easier to access it than it used to be So you should be a little more sense. That should be irrelevant. Yeah What's the criminal profile of these types of people obviously these absolute sickos? But is there some uniformity to actually who is watching this child perform?

I mean for us us, it was typically male, almost universally male. I think I talked to some more experienced investigators in the mean that it was, oh, I had one female. It's that weird. Predominantly male. Normally male. Age, gender, age, race, anything.

It's all over. It's old, you know, old creepy chest of the molester guy down to 18 year old kid who's just starts on that path. And I remember seeing this explanation for it once where he, I mean, you don't want to be sympathetic to this guy, but he explained it. Honestly, and he said, look, when I was 13 years old, I liked the 13 year old girls. And then I was 15 years old. And it just froze. They got older, but I still liked the 13 year old girls. And then I was 15 years old and it just froze. They got older, but I still liked the 13 year old girls. And then I was 17 years old and then she was 13 years old. And

I was 20 years old and she's still 13 years old. He's like, my preference for women never advanced with my age. And so you have these guys are 18. They're dealing with that. And then just all the way up the gambit. And then it's very common to have the hands on offenders that are trying to, they rationalize their head. Well, I'm not hurting a child. I'm keeping these desires away by watching it. So, I'm okay. And that's why you see all the time these guys, my theory is, they have this red in their ledger that they feel so horrible about, which is why they're doing all this community engagement and they're a deacon in the is why they're doing all this community engagement

and they're a deacon in the church and they're a little league baseball coach. I mean, they might be trying to actually find victims, but I think a lot of them just feel so bad about it that they think, I'm going to rack up as many wins as I can so this one blemish will be erased. But universally, they all confess, I mean, just because it's ones and zeros for one part, they know they're caught. And then a lot of them just are honest and they don't have a criminal background beyond that.

That's it. But it's, they're true. Every time an image is shared, that child is a victim again and again, it's always horrible. It's a terrible job to have. Someone's got to do it, you know? It's like the job where in the military you have to go tell the family your son is died. Nobody wants that job.

It's the worst job. And it has to be the right DNA wiring of a person with a gentle voice that comes in that's understanding. Imagine every day, today, how to do to four people. Today, how to do to three people. Today, how to do, nobody wants a job. Someone's got to do it. Gentlemen, first of all, I applaud you guys for what you're doing.

It is not easy to be where you're at. I don't think I speak for myself alone. I think there's a lot of other people that don't trust what the FBI is up to, that they're wondering, we don't mind having an FBI if you actually do your job to protect us and get the bad guy, which is kind of what we think your job is. And if you do that, we're okay with that. We don't mind funding it.

And you're seeing nowadays where a DeSantis is talking about child rape is death penalty, and that's actually creating momentum. It's like, we're actually, yeah, that kind of does make sense. Why wouldn't you want something like that to somebody who's doing this? And that's a topic of discussion for 2024 presidential election. We're there talking about these types of things. Governor, Ron Desan, to sign the bill Monday allowing

for the death penalty for child rapists, setting up a potential Supreme Court challenge, the bill which will become law. October 1st, make sexual battery of a person under 12 a capital crime can you show the one with new some what he signed i just sent you the link on this one a new California law protecting pedophilia pedophilia is a while uh... this is a couple years ago couple weeks ago governor new some signed a law that would allow judges to decide whether or not to list someone as a

sex offender for having oral or anal with a minor. This bill has been appalled, has appalled many as it should. And yet some have failed to realize that it is simply meant to expand the discretion that was already granted to judges in the past. You see stuff like this and it's so extreme that you're like, yeah, this is not real. This is, this is gotta be fake. Now you can go Google this for yourself and do your own research as we're going through this stuff.

But folks, if you watch this with these two brave men, Garrett, O'Boyle, as well as Steve Friend, who came out to share their ideas and thoughts in more of a long form where you can speak freely, I recommend you give this video, share it with others and ask them what are your thoughts on this. Give it a sub, give it a thumbs up, and at the same time, go to Steve's sub-stack. I think Steve, you have a sub-stack. Or no, Garrett has a sub-stack. That's called lastline.substack.com. That is his sub-stack.

Let's put the link below for that. And then Steve, you have a book that's coming out, I believe June 13th. True blue, my journey from beat cop to suspended FBI whistleblower. That is coming out here June 13th and the next shy of two weeks, placed your order, support these gentlemen as they're going through this phase right now. And once again, fellas, thank you for your work. to your order, support these gentlemen as they're going through this phase right now. And once again, Felis, thank you for your work, thank you for the sacrifice, and I got a lot of respect for you guys for doing what you're doing.

We need more folks like you, and I'm sure more people are going to be from your background are going to be giving you guys more intel as you're sharing that with the rest of us. We can kind of see that this has become a normal for them to be held accountable, because I think, especially an institution that we pay their salaries, they need to be held accountable. You and our normal for them to be held accountable because I think especially an institution that we pay their salaries they need to be held accountable. You and I are paying for them. Once again thank you so much for coming on to the podcast. Take care everybody have a good one. Bye bye bye.