PBD Podcast - “Fire Everyone” - Congressman Jim Jordan: Weaponized Bureaucracy, Trump & Power

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

Congressman Jim Jordan joins Patrick Bet-David to discuss the power struggle in Washington, government overreach, and the alleged weaponization of federal agencies against conservatives. Jordan dives into the urgency of holding bureaucrats accountable and restoring American freedoms ———— 👕 TEAM USA GEAR AT VTMERCH.COM: https://bit.ly/40gZun5 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/3XC5ftN 📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠https://bit.ly/3Zn2Moj 👕 VT "2024 ELECTION COLLECTION": https://bit.ly/3XD7Bsm 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: https://bit.ly/3ze3RUM 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: https://bit.ly/47iOGGx 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4e0FgCe 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/3MGK5EE 📕 CHOOSE YOUR ENEMIES WISELY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3XnEpo0 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4d5nYlU 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: https://bit.ly/3XC8L7k 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠https://bit.ly/3XjSSRK 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ---- SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

How do you go from that to wanting to do politics? Politics is the only game left for grownups. And there's that competition. Why does nobody trust Congress today? The left tells a lie, big media reports the lie, big tech amplifies the lie, and then when you tell the truth, they call you a racist. Every one of our liberties under the First Amendment

was assaulted by the government and the Biden-Harris administration. Every single one. Who can Trump fire? Who can not fire? Come in and fire everyone you're allowed to fire. And then frankly fire a few people you're not allowed to fire. To send a message like there is a new sheriff back in town.

Who is the leader or the leaders of the swamp? You've been in it. There's one of the few times I really actually got mad at the witness. I don't look at this as a liberty thing, Congressman Jordan. Well, that's obvious. He and I have a secret. We'll tell you what it is when the race is over. That's how the founders envisioned.

That makes a lot of sense to me. Put the sticker on his doorbell cam so they couldn't see 58 seconds later he is dead. Is this not criminal? It's troubling. We have an interesting guest in the house today. We have a United States representative, none other than Jim Jordan, who happens to be a two-time NCAA national champion, wrestler, former college coach for wrestling. And the more I'm going into this, competitive in that area, record 156 and 1, and you won state championship all four years in high school with a record of 156 and 1, which is

pretty impressive and then you know decides to go into politics becomes 9 and 0 as a house of represent we got to talk about that because I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on term limits because I want to see what you'll say about that and then gets married to a competitor's sister if I'm not mistaken which but I want to know that story the brothers mate was it your brother introducing you or yeah how that took place with teammate and you guys got married you guys got four kids and some of the most fiery interviews fiery things that we see is you fighting somebody else and you're always up there doing your thing so it's great to have you on

the podcast. Thanks for all the good work you do we my boys are big fans and I watched some of your some of your clips here lately, but yeah, it is great to be with someone who's getting truth and facts and information out to the American people and all the good work you've done. And the service to our country. So thank you for having us. I appreciate that.

Thank you, likewise, likewise. Because, you know, first of all, how do you go from two-time state champion and, you know, four-time in your high school, how do you go from that to wanting to do politics? Well I was at a point I was assistant coach at Ohio State and so I was at a point where I did that for eight years and you know at some point it's kind of time to go try to be a head coach in a Big Ten or do something else and I was looking for something new to compete at and we were just talking about how you love competition and same

here and frankly when you know how it is you you get married, you have kids, you suddenly start looking at the world different. You get tired of government taking your money and telling you what to do and insulting your values. And so I decided to run the state rep, the local in our, in our general assembly in Ohio, the state rep announced he was going to retire. And I'd never been in politics, never run for anything. I was 29 year old, you know, you know, Joe Bagdona, it's never been in politics. And I think I'm going

to run for state rep. And I still remember I still remember going and talking to the head of the heads of the party where because where I'm from, it's all about winning the Republican primary. So I still remember going and talking to the folks and saying, you know, I'm thinking about running for state rep. And they they basically said, Well, you're a nice young guy, because I was young back said, well, you're a nice young guy. Because I was young back then. They said, you're a nice young guy. But this two term county commissioner is running and, you know, he's the favorite and yada,

yada. And I politely said, you know, they basically said, like, you know, you can't win. And I politely said, we'll see. Right. That's why they kicked the ball off on Friday night. You got to play the game. He's going to win. And we had a bunch of good people help us out knocking on doors.

I mean, we were knocking doors every weekend and just, and we wound up winning 70 to 30, which you know, in politics is a complete smack. It was just like we and so I've been in politics ever since. I have 19, 30 years, 1994, 30 years in it. Still love it as much as you did. They like, I do like, I like it when the part of like the best is when I think there's a guy on the witness stand who I get the opportunity to cross-examine in one of these hearings, who I don't, if I think that guy hasn't been square with the people, particularly the people I represent

in the Fourth District of Ohio, but frankly the American people. And it's my job to highlight that and demonstrate that and try to improve how the bureaucracy is going to operate for, how the bureaucracy is going to operate for How the government's going to operate for the American people so I like I like the competition part I mean, I see some of the stuff like weaponization of the federal government You've gone against the FBI CDC DOJ all these guys hunter Biden the the handling of the classified documents Fauci ESG all of these things you've got you've gone up against it seems like that's against. It seems like that's what drives you when you see some of the correcting the injustice that's taking place.

That's when you get fired up and you want to compete and get in there and again, it's entertaining to watch because some of this stuff with politics, you need fighters. I was thinking you were going to be the Speaker of the House. Kevin and I have spoken multiple times. I like Kevin. I enjoy talking to Kevin and I know you guys are friends. But I thought for a moment, I'm like, you know what? Is he, and I think there was a moment

for about a week or two where you were the one in the talks that could be the Speaker of the House, and then it went a different direction, and then Johnson, and then obviously it never happened. But how close was it to you being the Speaker? Well, I mean, I got the nomination for after, Kevin, we had the eight guys that got rid of Kevin, which was a mistake.

And then we had the ballots and I ultimately get nominated, but there was a handful of guys that just weren't gonna vote for me. And after three rounds, Kevin went 15. I remember that, crazy. Yeah, I remember I nominated in the second round. But you know, after three rounds, I just saw that it wasn't going to happen. So I went to the conference and basically said, okay, we could have a secret ballot vote. Do you still want me as your nominee or do you want to want to move on? Because I didn't feel like it was appropriate to keep making my colleagues do it on them. But there

were a handful of folks who just, I think most of them kind of dealt with the Appropriations Committee, but there was a handful who didn't want to do it. But you know, look, right now we're focused on we got seven days to win this thing. And I think we can win all three. I think President Trump's going to win. I do feel like we're going to win the Senate. I think Marino's going to win in Ohio. We've been campaigning with him.

I like McCormick in Pennsylvania. We've done a lot of,'s a he's no wrestling guy He was he was captain at West Point In fact, he called me up Radcliffe called me John who was a colleague of mine that worked for the president Trump called me like year and a half two years ago and said hey McCormick would like to talk to you. I said fine. I'm happy to talk to it and So we

Calls me up. We start talking and he says fine, I'm happy to talk to him. And so he calls me up, we start talking, and he says, hey, I wrestled. I was state champ Pennsylvania, and was captain of the team at West Point. I'm like, well, why didn't you tell me that? I said, I'd have been for you last time if I'd have known that. He's a great guy.

I think he's gonna win, so I think we're gonna win this. I think we're gonna keep the house. So, all good. So now it's gonna be interesting to see if this is like how in 2022, there's gonna gonna be red wave all this on a bone everybody would shock oh shit there is no right away if I'm curious to know what's gonna happen whether it'll happen this time or not but I'm gonna tell you a funny story then I got a bunch of things I want to go into with you I'm in the army okay

I'm six four at the time I'm six four six4 and a half and 225 pounds and 7-8% body fat. Yeah, you're ripped. I am ripped, I look good. Rob, pull up a picture, I can brag about what I used to look like at 18. And I feel good, like if I'm fighting, if I'm wrestling, if I'm doing what I'm doing, you know, I'm feeling good about myself, okay?

That's the one right there. If you go to the second picture, Rob, the one right there, that's me in the arm, that's actually in the barracks that's me 19 years old in a barracks okay yeah and you should have wrestled well let me tell you what happened I didn't wrestle so we're in boot camp and we got a hundred kids around you know and everybody's coming and we're fighting each other and then this one kid comes to me it's probably five six five seven but I'm gonna say 130 pounds.

And he says, look, let me try, this is me by the way, he says, let me try you. And I said, you want to try me? I said, look, I don't want to hurt you, honestly. This is not fair to you. That's me 14 on the left, that's me 19 on the right. So we start, I said, I don't want to do this to you, there's people here, I don't want to embarrass you. He said, don't worry about embarrassing me, I've got a thick skin.

I'm telling you, I don't want to do it. He said, just give me a shot. Jim. I'm not even kidding. In six seconds, I'm begging him to stop. And he does it with a smile on his face. So I'm like, dude, what is the, stop. And I'm like, what's the matter with you?

He says, well listen, I'm pretty good at it. He says, why are you so good? He says, I was a state champion in Florida, or Ohio, one of these sets. He should have told me something like, you weren't enjoying yourself, listen, I'm pretty good at it. He says, why are you so good? He says, I was a state champion in Florida or Ohio, one of these sets. He should have told me something like, you were enjoying yourself too much. I wanted to surprise you. But that's the thing with wrestlers sometimes because you can never tell. And then all of a sudden you're like, ah. Unless they got the ear.

Unless they got the ear, which is, yeah, when you see the ear, it's a good signal to say, how are you, sir? You know, maybe, you know, the approach changes a little bit. I wouldn't mess with you a bit like that. But uh, it's funny because we were this a couple years ago And I was campaigning helping a colleague In New Mexico, we're in El Paso time change late at night and Polly's sleeping I'm mom can't sleep and I'm clicking through ESPN and I'm on there and they're doing the you know Dana does the preview. Yes of the big fight coming up. It's like the week before and so they're previewing how they train sure and it was

Khabib's Protégé, I forget the guy's name. Who's the he's the tough in same weight class as Khabib comes out or Ismail something like that. I forget anyway, they're showing him training and then they're showing the guy from Brazil Like I forget anyway, they're showing him training and then they're showing the guy from Brazil So this is a couple years ago and it's the big fight and and they show how they train and and all and it was funny Because I'm watching it and it's like the Brazilians is a you know, that's a different kind of see the stocky shorter guy The one the Khabib guy is that the guy from Dagestan? Who could be was is was training and then the guy from Brazil was the longer lankier Brazilian style and they showed him training

But it was funny because the guys from the Dagestan group They train they start with the wrestling base and it showed him in the room training I was like that's exactly how our boys were training with my brother And they shooting shooting across the mat and different things and I just watched it all the whole thing and I thought you know And I said, I think the wrestling guy the guy started with the wrestling base the Khabib guy is gonna win sure enough the next week he beat him he beat him in that I didn't see the fight but I was it was funny because I said who won that fight my boys were telling me so yeah there's something with that wrestling background

it's a different thing with the wrestling side right when you it's a different skill set but let's get right into it so questions for you politics Congress nine terms you've been in there, right? When you look at approval rating right now in America, lowest we've ever had in mainstream media. Americans don't trust mainstream media. It's 23, 24, 27, give or take. Number just came out from Gallup. It's the worst it's ever been. What is it right now? Anyway, it's the lowest it's ever been. Whatever the number is, it's the lowest it's ever been whatever the number is it's the lowest it's ever been then when you look at trust in the US government again low in the 20s 27 lowest it's ever been you see approval rating for Kamala Harris

you see approval rating for Trump you see approval rating for Biden you see approval all these approval ratings we hear about you know the lowest approval rating in America right now is Congress, 16%. Why does nobody trust Congress today? Left-right center, 16% is terrible. How do we get there? Yeah, I think it's Congress is disappointing the American people. I always joke and say, if you remember that movie 1776, the opening scene, John Adams is up in the bell tower and a clerk calls him, you know, the opening scene, John Adams is up in the bell tower

and a clerk calls him, you know, Mr. Adams, Mr. Adams. And he comes walking down and he walks in there at Independence Hall where they're getting ready to debate and put together the Declaration of Independence. And he walks in, the opening line of the movie, he says, one useless man is a disgrace, two are a law firm, and three or more are a Congress.

And I've had it with this Congress. So I think it might have been there from Two are lawyers, three is our congress. Yeah, yeah. One useless man's disgrace, two are a law firm and three or more are congress. So I think it might have been there from the get-go. It's like a frustrating body where you got to debate. And then of course this past congress is, it's, you know, kind of fit what Adam described. Now what's interesting is, of course, no one likes Congress, but they all like their congressmen. Or no one likes Congress, they all like their congresswoman,

you know, because the reelection rate is huge for incumbents. But it is frustrating. And frankly, I think part of the problem too is we have, when the founders set up this great experiment in liberty, greatest country ever, three separate and equal branches of government. If there was one branch that was supposed to be a little more equal than the other, it was supposed to be the legislative branch. And in particular, the House of Representatives, because that's the body that's closest to the people. Every two years, voters get a chance to throw me out.

I tell them all the time, that's a good thing. Keeps me honest, keeps me coming back talking to the voters. I get the privilege of representing. So it was supposed to be the one, and that's why under our constitution, all spending and taxing has to originate in the House of Representatives, the body that every two years has to go in front of the people. What I think we've allowed to happen over the last several decades is the executive branch, the presidency, has now become the more dominant branch of government.

And we need to reassert our authority, particularly when it comes to the power of the purse, and say, wait a minute, we're not going to let the executive branch run all over us. And in particular, these huge bureaucracies that that tend to run our lives via rule and everything else. And of course, the best example of someone who's never been elected, who ran our lives for three and a half years, is Dr. Fauci. Fauci, 40 years in the government, highest paid official in the government, literally ran the country for three years and violated our liberties. I tell folks, every time I give a, I'll say it tonight when I'm speaking to the group tonight,

every one of our liberties under the First Amendment was assaulted by the government in the Biden-Harris administration. Every single one. I mean, five rights we have, our right to practice our faith, our right to assemble, right to petition the government, free press, free speech, every single one. They told Americans during COVID, you can't go to church on Sunday. In America? That is just wrong.

And then they, you know, they, they, I tell people I spoke a couple years ago, the New Mexico Republican Party in Amarillo, Texas, because they had to go to Texas to get the freedom to assemble their governor, their Democrat governor wouldn't let them get together their own state where they pay taxes. And you can just keep but the scariest one of all is what they're doing to the First Amendment free speech, where they're telling Americans you, oh, you can't say certain things can't tweet certain things, you can't post certain things like what in America think about this did you ever think we would have Donald Trump Elon Musk RFK jr. and Tulsi

Gabbard on the same team and they are because of this this this free speech thing so I don't even have we got all of this this from but I do think Congress needs to reassert its authority against these bureaucrats who run our lives, who never put their name on the ballot. Maybe if we did that, maybe the country would go from 16% approval rating at least up to 17%. I guess my question would be, you know, to follow up on that part, is when you ask the

question about the driver thing, Elon Musk, Trump, Tulsi, all these guys, what about a year and a half ago when Tucker got fired from Fox from Fox I think in April or May and I saw a Meeting that was had with Tucker went to Musk to do Twitter And he said he's taking a show on Twitter and the first show came out and we're like whoa And it right it was oh my god. I said I think there's an alliance being created with Elon Tucker and great point and Trump so what are you talking about? I said, I think there's an alliance being made between these three guys.

Something's going on there. And then when Bobby started going on all these podcasts and he's going, I had him on early in COVID, 2020, 2020. I had him one time, him and Dershowitz were debating each other, it was great. And I said, Bobby's willing to go everywhere. He's gonna do something. Then he got the independent vote and then Trump is able to bring him in.

Then Tulsi, she's being bullied around by Hillary. She's a Russian asset. She's like, what are you doing? She's actually very formidable. It was insulting where they don't know how to keep talent. It's almost as if certain companies, you know, you're a coach. Phil Jackson knew how to deal with big egos. You know how to deal with Michael. You know how to deal with Rodman Phil Jackson knew how to deal with big egos. You know how to deal with Michael, you know how to deal with Rodman, you know how to deal

with Scottie, you know how to deal with Kobe, you know how to deal with Shaq, that's a skill set. It's as if the Democratic Party had a lot of these talents, they just don't know how to keep Elon, they don't know how to keep Rogan, they don't know how to keep RFK, they don't know how to keep Tulsi, so don't know. So they keep losing talent. How do you lose all this great talent that's leaving you going elsewhere? That just means there's not the leadership there, but going back to it. So in free enterprise, free market, if approval rating is not high, you get fired.

You've been in it for nine terms, right? And you know you hear term limits all the time one What's your position? Well, I'm actually I'm actually for I mean look I've been in an office for you know, different offices now State Rep State Senate and Congress 30 years, but I actually supported the the effort when it was in our state back in 90 1992 We went to the ballot in Ohio to limit the terms and we we passed it for state house, state Senate, and for United States Congress. The Supreme Court said, okay, you can keep it Ohio for state house and state Senate, but Congress you can't because other states have got different things and we can't have that unequal amongst the states there. So I like to, I think newer, fresher people is typically a good thing. I mean, on balance, you think it's a good thing. You're gonna lose some good people, but I'm for it.

So if we ever enact it, I'll abide by it when it happens. But I'm not- How many of your friends, how many total people in Congress, what's the number? Oh, I bet it's not a majority. How many people would be for it? Yeah, it wouldn't be enough to pass, I don't think. Less than 10%? No, I'd be more than that. There's there's a number of conservatives who'd support it And it would I think it's important to be equal to the Senate

So I think you'd probably have to go twelve and twelve if you get twelve six terms in the house two terms in the Senate Twelve and twelve if you if you do that, and of course, we've had term limits on the president now for what since FDR Okay, so let me ask you the question. So let's just say I come to you and I say, Jim, camera's off, phone's off, I just want to have a conversation with you. I'm thinking about running for office. And here's some of the things I would like to have an outlandish campaign to come out, like a build a wall or do this.

Not some basic stuff that everybody keeps talking about repeating. You're like everybody else. I don't want to be me too. I want to come up with a new campaign. So one, only two countries in the world, big pharma can advertise in, on TV, mainstream media. You got US and New Zealand, that's one. I'd like to eliminate them from them being able to advertise on national television and allow doctors to

do their job to make the prescription instead of them buying TV ads, right? Pfizer paying guys 20 million bucks. The other day I saw John Legend with a Pfizer ad for COVID shot. It's been four years. Can you find out how much John Legend got paid for the COVID shot? I know Kelsey got 20 million. I don't know what John Legend, we can probably find that out and see what the number is. But I want to eliminate that.

I don't want John Legend telling me to take a COVID shot. No, get out of here. I don't want to watch you. Go play your music. Your music will play at many different weddings. I don't want you to be a doctor coming up telling me why we should take the COVID shot because of you. Okay.

So number one is Big Pharma outside of advertising. Two is term limits. I want to run on term limits and I want to get that done. Impossibility. Three, I want to run on, you know, we're going to take Fauci down and we're going to investigate everything that happened. We're going to find out exactly what happened. Number four, I want to hold China accountable because everybody's forgotten about what happened with China with the release of the virus.

We haven't been able to do that. If there is, there's got to be an element of reparations that they did for the world to stop, for the amount of months that they stopped, the millions of restaurants, jobs that were lost, the $50 million in the hospitality business industry that we lost, the 100,000 restaurants that shut down, whatever the number is, 50,000, 200,000, these are family-owned businesses that were shut down. If I told you one of those four I want to run on and add flat taxes to it, tell me which one's the most likely they can get

it done to the least likely of getting it done. Well, first of all, the term limits in the end it requires a constitutional amendment. That's a long process to amend our constitution. So that's tough. The first one was on limiting advertising. Big Pharma? Yeah, that, I mean, you may have a chance with that. I mean I think it's difficult you know and of course you'd have the pharmaceutical industry you know working against you. Lobbyists are working against you. Yeah, of course, of course. And then going after Fauci, I mean I think the country's with you, country remembers, I'm certainly with you. I've been going after that guy for, I still remember one time I when he was in front front of the hearing I think I asked him this question like a hundred times in five

minutes when do we get our Liberty back what measure what metric what what what has to happen before Americans get their first amendment rights back and he just like it was I mean I got I got this one the few times I really actually got mad at the at the witness so I'm all for I'm all for doing that one. Now, as far as any crime or anything, you know, I don't I don't know that that's there. But that would that would obviously be up to up to the Justice Department. And then on China, I do think I think that is critically important. You want to go specifically regarding COVID, but in a general sense, we understand China. We got to beat them in AI.

We got to, I mean, that's the competition out there. I'm talking reparations. You stopped the world, you released the virus. You were irresponsible because of you. This is how much the world lost on what you did. All these families that have history, relationship, we have to hold you accountable. So remember you couldn't even say that. I know you couldn't even say that.

I know, I know. That's the censorship. So right here, based on this, would you say term limits is the hardest one because it's long term? Yeah, because it requires a constitutional. Okay, would you put Big Pharma, Fauci, China, flat tax, which one would you put as the second toughest one? Flat tax, China, holding Fauci accountable, big pharma. The flat tax is, I mean, we all like that simple tax system, that concept better. We're going to do tax reform.

If we win everything like I think we're going to, obviously the tax cuts that we put in place back in 17 with President Trump are up for reauthorization. So we have to get that done next in 25 next year. So you could do maybe something on the in a flatter way, but clean flat tax might be tough, but you could you can we're definitely gonna do tax reform. We get the majority. We're going to use this the fancy term is reconciliation, but it's just a fancy term to avoid the 60 vote hurdle in the Senate. We will use that approach to get tax reform done and tax cuts done and reauthorize most

of what happened in 2017, which was so good for the economy. So that's certainly part of that's possible. The others I think are pretty tough as well. Got it. So you're saying they're possible. So you're not thinking the big pharma thing's gonna be tough to do? No, it would be, I mean I just know the way the lobbying thing works and I'm not on the Energy and Commerce Committee, some of these committees do, I'm on the committees where

we're always in a debate and doing an investigation and you know judiciary and oversight but the better answer would come from them. But I think there's probably a possibility that happens. Got it. But you gotta run first. No, I'm not born here, so I can't run. You would have to create some amendments for me to be able to run.

Well, you're a citizen, right? I'm a US citizen. Well, of course, so you could run for Congress. You wanna run for president? If there was any, like, I'm not, because for me, right now, what we're building, we're growing rapidly business-wise company. I enjoy capitalism, I enjoy the free market.

It's easy to compete. I know if I'm gonna lose here, I'm gonna win here. This is the dollar amount. It's very transactional, it's easier. Politics, Eric Trump was here last week and he says in politics, at least in business, you know if you're gonna get a better dealer or not because there's dollars in it.

Both people want to build this hotel. Both people want to's dollars in it. Both people wanna build this hotel. Both people wanna make this company work. Both people wanna make the money. Politics, it's a different game. Yes, I get it, but there's a, as we talked earlier, there's a competitive aspect to it too. I fully agree. I think it was, I may be wrong in this,

but I think it was one of the Kennedy's, and maybe I'm wrong, but someone once said, one of the Kennedy's I think said, politics the only game left for grownups. And there's that competition. And I like it because I'm fighting for the folks back home, the families, taxpayers, you know, communities I get the privilege of representing. But there is that competition component that I think is important too. In the history of the country, this is I think amazing about this country.

In the history of this country, only about 12,000 people have ever served in the United States Congress. It is a privilege. It is an honor. And I try to remember that. And when I go there, it's like, okay, my job is to fight for the folks back home. Now, I literally think about this. I even said this to Fauci and one of the times I was cross-examining him in a hearing that my job is to fight for those folks back home and they want an answer to why their liberty has been restrained because of you and when is it going to end and so But it is a privilege and you know, I know you're doing great and all you do here But you should run for Congress. I am so interested in your world. Trust me, I am very interested in your world. You know, a guy like Elon,

you see how Elon's being involved right now. So do you think even at a level from your perspective where you're at, because you know, you're Congress. You're not gonna be around for two years, four years. You can be around for as long as you want. You can be around for next 20 years if you want it. It's purely on you to decide to step away.

Who is more powerful in your eyes a Trump or a Musk? Both are extremely powerful But I mean President Trump has transformed the party. He's the leader. We are now and this is a good thing We are now a populist party rooted in conservative principle and that last part is really important You can't just be pure populist, but we are a much more populist party, much more working-class, middle-class party rooted in conservative principles. President Trump has brought that about. What I think Elon has really done has focused in on this idea of protecting liberty, protecting First Amendment free speech

rights, and he's just been powerful and ever and I called him up because I had talked to Elon a few times with Kevin. And we had one of those meetings with Kevin, I still remember Elon Musk telling me, he used the term, he said, GARM is harm and GARM is this, you guys might deal with them, Global Alliance for Responsible Media. And basically, they kind of coordinate together to say, oh, you shouldn't advertise your product on this particular podcast, this particular website, this particular platform, because it could be a reputational risk to your brand. And basically what they do is they were saying, don't advertise on anything conservative. Breitbart, Federalist, Twitter, don't do that. And I still remember when Elon said, Garm is harm. We started investigating,

found that it was exactly like he described it. Long story short, because of our investigation, Garm went out of business. They're no longer operating because we felt like it was almost an antitrust violation. That's from the judiciary committee's perspective. That's why we looked into them. So yeah, what Elon's done on helping us on the on an RFK jr. To by the way When I talk with our K jr. A few weeks back when he when he endorsed President Trump I called him up to thank him and we started laughing because I invited you had him on your show But I'd buy I'd buy him in as a witness and I told him I invite him Tulsi the

Schellenberger and Tabe the, the Twitter Files guys. And I told Eli, I probably invited more Democrats in as a witness, any Republican chairman. I know, I mean, just, you know, I said, you know, I took some heat when I invited you in a year and a half ago, because, you know, a Democrat named Kennedy running for president. But I joked and I said, but we kind of look like geniuses now that this coalition is coming together. But I, by the way, in that hearing, think about the this issue in the Democrat Party. In that hearing, one of the Democrats, RFK juniors testified, one of the Democrats, I

think it was Debbie Wasserman Schultz, I need to double check that, but I think it was her, made a motion to go to executive session, which means you kick everyone out and no cameras, no citizens can see what their government's up to that day in that particular congressional hearing. So she made a motion to not let people see what RFK Jr. was going to testify to in a hearing on censorship. Think about that. Like, and I'm like, his name is Kennedy. Like, that's the most well-known name of Democrat politics for the last three quarters of

a century. And Democrats are trying to kick him out, not let anyone hear what he has to say. So you talk about they're the party of censorship. They certainly are. We're the party of like defending the First Amendment. It's like crazy. But you know, R.F.K. Jr. said something that hearing day said when he endorsed President Trump. And I have, I've never.K. Jr. said something that hearing they said when he endorsed President Trump. And I have, I've never forgotten it. And I told him this on the phone. I said, when you testified in the hearing, you said, when you look at history, it is

never the good guys who are for censorship. It is always the bad guys. And that is so true. And I think Americans are seeing through this. And this is, there was a survey last week where number one issue is inflation number two issue first amendment protecting the first amendment ahead of and head of the border head of other I saw that I saw that I was like holy cow. Yeah, that's amazing. I saw that so Elon even tweeted that out to show what the number was about we talked about on the podcast but Fauci the Fauci we see you've spent more time with them. But Fauci, the Fauci we see, you've spent more time with them, you've had time with them one-on-one, your fights. Rob, do you have a clip of one of the fights? Let's post one of these to remind

people because a lot of time when time goes by, we forget how nasty things were during COVID. Go ahead and play this clip. Well, the call was arranged by Jeremy Farah. You should ask him. Okay. Did US tax dollars flow through a grant recipient to the lab in China? I'm sorry. What was... Did U.S. tax dollars flow through a grant recipient to the lab in China? Yes, of course. It was a subaward to the Wuhan Institute of...

And who approved that award? Excuse me? And who approved that award? What agency approved that award? National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Your agency approved that, right? Yes, it did after. Does that have anything to do with this downplaying

of the lab leak theory? No. Nothing to do with it? Nothing. Prior to that. That is wild while we're going through that, right? And you're hearing that being said. What was the other one that you guys said

that was a fiery one? This was back during COVID where I actually had to, I think, wear the mask. It was one where he... You had a mask on? He said, he said I was... what did he say? Is this the one? I lost it. One of these. It may be.

Continue this forever. When does, when does, when do we get to the point? What measure, what standard, what objective outcome do we have to reach before, before Americans get their liberty and freedoms back? You know, you're indicating liberty and freedom. I look at it as a public health measure to prevent people from dying and going to the hospital. You don't think Americans' liberties have been threatened the last year, Dr. Fauci?

They've been assaulted. Their liberties have. I don't look at this as a liberty thing, Congressman Jordan. Well, that's obvious. As a public health thing. So how different is he behind closed doors when the cameras are off then we when he's being held accountable with the cameras there I Mean my assessment is he's he's pretty arrogant all the time is sort of I mean I was actually in part of the deposition with him too when when the select committee

deposed him it was obviously a little more friendly back there in that situation. But he just, you know, the thing I look at is everything he told us turned out to be false. Everything. They initially told us, oh, no, it wasn't it wasn't gain of function research done at the lab in China. Sure looks like it was. They told us it wasn't our tax money used at the lab in China.

Yes, it was. They told us it didn't come from the lab. No, it didn't come from the lab. It was a bat to a pangolin to a hippopotamus to we all get, you know, like then they said the vaccinated can't get it. The vaccinated can't transmit it. They said mask work. They said six feet social distance was based on science. And then the kicker was when they told us, oh, this is the first virus in history where there's no such thing as natural immunity. He was 0 for 8, right? Eight things he told us that were false, and

meanwhile he's telling us all these false things, and you can't go outside in certain states without a mask on. If you walk your dog after 10 o'clock, you're going to get a ticket. Tim Walz was telling people to snitch on their neighbor. Like, what is that? Based on all this stuff that we got from this guy who's paid 400-some thousand dollars by the taxpayers, who's worked for the taxpayers, you know, been in government for over 40 years, it just was frustrating to me. But then the question becomes, okay, so you say that, right? To me, Americans are very quick to move on.

Because they forgot about it. You forgot that your kids didn't go to school for a year, year and a half, and little kids, two, three-year-old kids had masks on, couldn't breathe, and the teachers would put it back on. Or on flights, your kid can't put the mask on, you gotta get off the flight. Dude, the kid doesn't wanna put the mask on,

you gotta get him off the flight. What are you talking about? My kid doesn't want, moms are screaming, crying, the chaos, the power trip that these airlines had. So then I sit there and I think, why is Congress at 16%? Is it because nobody ever gets held accountable? Is it because, what is the level? Like imagine for the people that are still not over it,

they're still kind of like, okay, how old is this guy right now? Is he 82 or 81? What's his age? He's 83 years old. What's his age? 83 years old. Born on the same day as my mother, by the way.

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It's probably the question I get sometimes even they're even more direct. There's like, when is someone going to jail, Jordan? I mean, it's like, and all we can do and it's it's it's a frustrating, but it's the truth. All we can do in Congress, in the legislative branch, is do our duty of oversight, get the facts to the American people, then we can do referrals. If we think someone is guilty of criminal conduct,

we can refer them to the Justice Department. But that, if that goes anywhere, it depends on Merrick Garland and the folks at the Justice Department. We can also propose legislation that would help fix something or do it that were the legislative body. But we can't prosecute or indict anyone. And it's, it's frustrating

for the American people, but that's, that's where we, so what we try to do is get the facts out. Now, sometimes, sometimes just the facts will make a difference. I use the example all the time. Remember, two years ago, if you remember when the Department of Homeland Security was going to, they began to establish the Disinformation Governance Board, as if some bureaucrats can tell us what we can say, what we can't say. I mean, it was crazy. What's misinformation? What's disinformation? What's malinformation? All these crazy terms again. And we made a big stink about that. I bet you talked about it. And there's all kinds of conservative folks

around the country were talking about it. And long story short, the Biden administration, well, we've decided to cancel the Disinformation Governance Board. And it's because we made a big, like that doesn't square with the First Amendment. Another good example was the IRS used to have agents make unannounced visits to American citizens homes.

And Danny Warfall, the commissioner, announced a year and a half, two years ago that, oh, we're going to stop that. We're concerned about our agents and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, the reason you stopped this is because we caught you. Literally when Matt Taibbi was testifying in front of our committee, the IRS met on the Twitter files, come in front of our committee. While he's testifying the IRS was knocking on his door. I mean you talk about, and there's not one person I've related the story to, it was big news at time, no one thinks that was just a coincidence, that was just, that just

happened. Everyone thinks that's the government trying to chill speech and it turned out they actually owed, turned out they they actually owed Taibbi money, the IRS did, but I mean they're knocking on his door while he's testifying in front of our committee. So they no longer do that. So there's some progress, I mean I talked about GARM, some other things we're doing, but as far as people being held accountable, it is frustrating to the American people, I understand it, but you got to have a Justice Department. In your opinion, nothing's going to happen without you, based on what you're saying.

Yeah. So he's going to, okay. So then let me ask a justice department. In your opinion. Nothing's gonna happen about you based on what you're saying. Yeah. So he's gonna. Okay. So then let me ask a different question. You know how in free market, free enterprise, Elon Byzaks, Matt Taibbi, Barry Weiss, all these guys, there's a whole crew of them, Twitter files. Wow. Biden administration talking to YouTube, Google, take this guy out, suspend this guy.

Twitter, hey, you guys gonna end in Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook, you know, all this. Can Trump, if he gets elected, see, he wins. Next Tuesday, he wins. Oh, let's hope. Yeah, he wins. Can he assign folks to go do FBI files, CIA files, to go do DOJ files, Fauci files, CDC files? to go do DOJ files, Fauci files, CDC files, and would America benefit from someone actually exposing

the level of corruption that some of these officials had talking to these different social media companies, but I'm talking government communication with them, not the other way around, because in order for us to find out, we would have to buy Google. There's nobody that can afford to buy Google right now, it's a trillion dollars, a trillion and a half. You would have to buy Facebook, you would have to buy Google. There's nobody that can afford to buy Google right now. It's a trillion dollars, a trillion and a half.

You would have to buy Facebook. You would have to buy these guys. But flip it. If we assign people to go that route, can you get to the bottom of it? Yeah, I think you can. And we've done some of that. For example, you mentioned, I always use this example because it's the most sort of prominent one.

It was an email on the third day of the Biden administration. So I think it was January 22nd, 23rd. There's an email from Clark Humphrey in the executive office of the president, the White House, an email to Twitter. And the email says, take down this tweet ASAP. And the tweet was from R.F.K. Junior. And the tweet was, if you remember when, we were talking earlier, you love baseball, when Hank Aaron passed away, RFK Junior did a tweet. He said, Hank Aaron passed away after taking the COVID shot. He took the shot to encourage black Americans to get vaccinated.

So what's that? Three sentences. Every single one of those sentences is accurate. Every sentence is true. He took the shot. He passed away after the shot. And he did. He was doing so to encourage black Americans to get vaccinated. And the Biden Biden Harris administration, one of that that one of that taken down. And I'm like, it's a true state. There's all true statements. But that is the that is the level of censorship. So we've been able to expose some of that.

But certainly if President Trump gets in, he can because we've subpoenaed and it's all that it's always a fight with this agency, that agency, whether it's FBI, CISA, the White House, whatever, we brought in some of these people, we depose them, we have them in hearings, we do all that. And then we put out the reports that lay out the facts. But certainly President Trump gets in, you're going to get a new FBI director, you're going to get a new attorney general, and they can dig into stuff with the Justice Department, you're going to get a new person running Department of attorney general and they can dig into stuff at the Justice Department, you're gonna get a new person running Department

Homeland Security, they can dig into any information there, but you can look at what kind of communication was going from the government to these big tech companies. Is a swamp a real thing? Okay, so how easy is it to, like how easy is it with an FBI, within DOJ, within CIA, within all these institutions to identify who the swamps are. Well, it starts at the top. I actually think, we use the FBI as an example, I think the vast majority of the agents are good people. We have two former agents who work for the committee. They're great guys. They're right out of central casting, Irish name, Italian name from Pittsburgh and Cleveland. They're just good guys who help us as we're people at top. It's the people in DC that are the problem. If you go back to the whole spine on Trump's campaign back in 16,

when it was Strzok and Page and all the Klein-Smith, the lawyer for the FBI who lies to the FISA court, changes an email, turns it around 180 degrees to the FBI, and then the FBI is like, oh, you know, you're going to be a lawyer. You're going to be a lawyer. You're going to be a lawyer. You're going to be a lawyer. You're going to be a lawyer. You're going to be a lawyer. You're going to be a lawyer. spying on Trump's campaign back in 16 when it was, you know, struck and page and, and all the Klein Smith, the lawyer for the FBI who lies to the FISA court changes an email turns it around 180 degrees to get the warrant to go spy on folks associated with President

Trump's camp campaign. That's the problem. These were these weren't like agents who came up through the streets in Pittsburgh and Cleveland and New York and, you know, Rose, these were like lawyers who were working in DC for the FBI. And you saw the bias and the disdain they had. Remember the one email from Peter Strzok to Lisa Page. He's in the Walmart in Virginia, and he's in the Northern Virginia.

He says, I can smell the Trump supporters. You know, it's like the disdain they have for us, you know, country folk like me from from Ohio and folks across the heartland and everything else. So yeah, there's, there's, there's... Who can Trump fire? Who can he not fire? I've encouraged, and I've said this is the press, but I believe it. Come in, fire everyone you're allowed to fire. And then frankly fire a few people you're not allowed to fire. Make them take you to court to send a message like there is a new sheriff back in town and we're gonna make this agency we're gonna make this government

work for the people and then the real the real thing he's looking to do is put Elon in charge of making the government a little more efficient for goodness sake which so I think that is that is the attitude that I think his team has certainly the attitude I think the president has. So when you say come in and fire everybody and some you're not supposed to fire. So what's the number? You just said earlier 12,000 people in the history of America have been members of Congress. It's a very elite organization. It's very honorable to have be one of 12,000.

Hasn't happened that many times and God knows how many people have lived in the US since 1776. What is that number of how many people have lived in the U.S. since 1776. What is that number of how many people to fire to clean house? Well, there are certain people, you know, historically, of course, you come in, we'll use the Justice Department since, you know, we're on the Judiciary Committee. You fire all the U.S. attorneys, just like there's, I think, forget what the number, a hundred, I forget the number of U.S. attorneys in the districts around the country. You fire all them.

I think you come in and get rid of the FBI directory, come in and get rid of the obviously you're going to the cabinet is going to be new. But there's a there's a level of people at the top of these agencies that are political appointments. I would I would like you got to get rid of all that I think. And then if there's some level below where you want to like this person, maybe they need to go too. And just again, to demonstrate, we're going to make the agencies not be weaponized against the American people, but actually serve we the people who pay their salaries, who pay

the taxes. That's supposed to be how the government operates. How do you filter out the swamp though? How do you know who swamp? How do you know who's swamp? How do you know who's swamp? It's all about leadership at the agency. It'll take a while to figure it out. What are signs? Like if I were to, because remember like he talked about it, first time he came around he didn't know anybody in DC. So he's just kind of hiring people left and right. You know nowadays there's rumors circulating who he's going to hire as his chief of staff that's going to help him with all the other people and all these names that we're hearing about.

But how do you identify who swamp? I think it's like any organization, you have to have leadership matters. So okay, you got to pick the guy who's going to, again, let's say lead the FBI and say, okay, here's how we're operating. We're not going to be, you know, kicking in the door of some pro-life activists in Philadelphia and putting him in handcuffs in front of his wife and children. We're going to handle things differently, as just an example that come to mind. But it all starts with the people at the top, and it starts with smart people who are committed to

the Constitution and them getting in there and whether it's What they've done in business identifying key people who they can trust you're gonna do the right thing I think it's all about leadership and of course that starts with President Trump as commander-in-chief and head of the executive branch and then right on down through each of these agencies How different is the approach on the second term? Because in my mind, I'm thinking strategy. First term, you're not gonna do everything.

Because you kind of will do 60% of what you wanna do, but you gotta keep some of the real stuff that you wanna do on your second term to get re-elected so you're not a one-term president, because that's embarrassing. You wanna be a two-term, so maybe you'll keep the 40 and surprise everybody on the second term,

because you don't give a shit about getting re-elected. Right, okay. So how different surprise everybody on the second term because you don't give a shit about getting re-elected, right? So how different is it now, second term, not back to back, if he wins, how different is a second term being used on a few different lenses that I'm looking at this? One, if I'm mainstream media, Trump gets elected, I don't know if Trump is my enemy anymore I think the number one enemy for me will be who's gonna be constant which is probably gonna be Ilan And I think the number two enemy for me will be JD Vance because he can be a two-term president So I think Trump actually drops to three long term one

Short-term, but he goes to three long term because Vance is but he goes to three long term because Vance is actually formidable enough that he can go up toe-to-toe against anybody right oh yeah so now it are we what what different kind of a Trump are gonna are we gonna see in the second term that we didn't see on the first term well I think he even admitted this in his in his recent interview with our conversation with Joe Rogan, that one of the things I think Rogan asked him, what did he do, any regrets, and he said some of the people he hired in the first term. And I know he regrets Jeff Sessions and stuff that he did at

the Justice Department. So I think he will come in in a much better way. And he's already thinking about, I assume, and his team is, and Letnik is doing the transition, getting ready if and when President Trump wins, which again, I think he's going to. Putting together that team is gonna be in ready to go. The other thing is, this is why it's important we win the Senate and maintain the majority in the House, is I think the mandate is clear if we win everything.

Reauthorize the tax cuts, get this economy going. I mean, stop and think about it. Democrats win? They're talking about taxing unrealized gains. Maybe one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. So we win, we reauthorize the tax cuts, put the tax pass in place, secure the border. A lot of that President Trump can do, executive order, dealing with Mexico, getting back to remain in Mexico, working with the Mexican government.

And then common sense energy policy. Energy is the key. with Mexico, getting back to remain in Mexico, working with the Mexican government, and then common sense energy policy. Energy is the key. I always say if you want to, the world is safer and better when America leads. If you want to lead militarily, diplomatically, you have to lead economically, you want to lead economically, you got to have readily available energy at affordable cost. Get back to common sense energy policy. And then continue the work on this, stopping these agencies from being weaponized against against the country I

think it's that's the mandate so come in pick the people who are totally in agreement with one two three and and protecting Liberty and First Amendment all the things that we've talked about and then put them in place and let's go so that's how it has to work and And I think the team, the transition team with Linda McMahon, Lutnick, Eric and Don Jr. are working on putting that together. So if in fact next Tuesday goes like I think it's gonna go, like I think we think it's gonna go, hit the ground running. And get, like President Trump, get America, make America great.

How different do you approach second versus first? You've been around nine. Ninety-four when you became president, when you went into this business. I think Clinton was president, right? First term. Well, I was in state government. Yeah, I came to Congress in six with the last two years of Bush administration. Last two years of Bush. And I had all of Obama and then...

So, how... and you're a guy that studies history, you're the guy that studies this business, you're super competitive, how is second term typically treated differently than first? Yeah, I think in a broad context, legacy. I think President Trump already has a great legacy. He put the embassy in Jerusalem, he got out of the Iran deal, he built the wall, he cut regulations, he did the big tax cut package, he put conservatives, three of them, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Coney Barrett on the court, changed the federal court system in a good way, lower judges as well. So I think he's already got a pretty, I tell people, best president in my lifetime as far as doing what he said he was going to do, certainly. And I think now it's legacy.

Can he do better in the Middle East and build on the Abraham Accords? Can he get our economy roaring again? Can he get back to common sense energy policy where as he says we're no longer just energy independent, we're energy dominant? All those things I think is what he's focused on. Okay. Who is the leader or the leaders of the swamp? You've been in it. You negotiate with some of these guys. Who are some of the leaders and influencers, the F. Huttons of the swamp? Well I just think it's the left. You know the left and all their crazy policies and how the bureaucracy seems to sort of move that way. And how would I, how would I, I guess, you know, I always say the left is, seems to me

the divide in America today. This is what Sarah Huckabee Sanders said this, and I totally agree with her. If you remember, she did the response to the State of the Union year and a half ago. She did a great job. And it's a tough job because the response you're You're in a room talking to a camera, you know The president comes in the chamber and the House the Senate the Supreme Court delights the camera It's a big but her but she did the response and in her best line I thought was when she said the divide in America today is

normal versus crazy and so just it seems like the whole bureaucracy's got these crazy left-wing positions and the left just sort of reinforces it. But name, faces, who are they? It's the top people. Again, I look at like look at look at Homeland Security. I kind of focus on the agencies that we deal with but look at Homeland Security. They try to set up a disinformation governance board. Mayorkas will come in front of Congress and never give us an answer to any question. And when he does, he says he doesn't know.

I remember a couple years ago asking, at the time there were so many, 40-some people, I think was the number at the time, who had come into the country who were on the terrorist watch list. And I said, what's their status they have they been detained where they detained and he said I don't know I'm like well dude you're that you're the head of Homeland Security the Homeland Security you kind of should know if they've been

detained and if so where they detained at these and he had to get back way so it's it's people like like my orcas and the key people who who you know work in in the upper parts of the Department of Homeland Security as an example. And I think the same thing applies at Justice. Top people the Justice Department are they're the ones who want to run the Justice Department. And then there's just some probably people you know you don't know the names. That's what I want to know. Career people who were working there well here's a good example the civil rights division of the Justice Department is going after Virginia talked to Glenn Yonkin the other night because Virginia is saying we only think

citizens should vote in the election and they're saying oh you can't do that 90 days before an election that violates the National Voting Registration Act and and and so now Virginia has to go all the way the Supreme Court for something that's common sense because the Civil Rights Division and the lawyers there are in the Justice Department are going after you they're doing the same thing in Ohio they sent our Secretary of State a similar a similar letter our Secretary of State call me two weeks ago said look I got this letter all these questions are asking all to kind of intimidate.

It seems to me, secretary of states and governors who are doing the right thing. So it's it's those kind of folks who kind of career people, but at the top levels of that. And that's why I'm saying fire everyone you're allowed to maybe fire some of those people to send a message. What leverage do you have the most when you're negotiating with your peers? Like when you're sitting there and you guys are behind closers, cameras are not on. Okay. Are there certain people that you know know we're not getting nothing done with

that guy or that gal? And then you're like, no, here's a leverage. We're going to get it done because these are the three, four, five things that we use as a lever for leverage. The ultimate leverage is the one we're not willing to use much is the power of the purse. I mean, that's how the founders envisioned it. Legislator branch supposed to use the power of the purse. I mean, that's how the founders envisioned it. Legislative branch, supposed to use the power of the purse, supposed to use the appropriations process to say, hey agency, if you're not gonna give us information we need, if you're not gonna do things right for the American people,

sorry, you're not getting as much money as you got last time, or maybe we're gonna hold your budget up until you do. I mean, that is exactly how the founders envisioned the process working. Unfortunately, what I think, that is the and that's exactly how the founders envisioned the process working. Unfortunately, what I think's happened is we've let the executive branch kind of we're not willing to exercise that authority in the way we now you can't be crazy about it like nobody wants a government shutdown. But I've argued if we're in this negotiation, if you pick one really

powerful issue and stand firm on it and Negotiate with the executive branch. I think you have a chance to win You can't be saying we need these ten things done or we're not gonna give you money for this agency that it gets all confusing But but if you're focused and I think surgical about it you can use the power of the person We got to do a better job of doing that. Okay, so That makes a lot of sense to me, right? Why don't they? Why don't you use it?

For example, hey, we need $2.1 billion for this. No, we're not giving it to you. You see what happened? Look at Congress. We could have fixed this border a long time ago if they would have only approved that. No, no, $60 billion was going to Ukraine. Whatever the number was, $19 billion was going to Israel and Palestine. Only 18 billion dollars of it was going to the border and all the other stuff you guys were 80% of it was going to No, but that was a border bill

Less than 15 percent 18 percent of the money was going to the actual border you named it a border bill But they're able to get out there right why don't you just stay tight with the why why release that money? Why release that money to those folks? Look I agree with you We get but you got to have the votes to do it and there are times that we who controls the house though well I agree I get it but some of our some of our colleagues just don't want to don't want to go there who has the biggest backbone you've worked with that had the biggest brass that could say no and we're not gonna compromise who's somebody that the other side was

like damn we can't get nothing done through this guy well president Trump president Trump would can negotiate and you know we got we got the tax cut package done when he was there he did just a number got regulatory reform he stood firm and got his his Supreme Court justices confirmed yeah he's he's been, I think, real tough. Who else? But not president. But you mean in the Congress? Right. Congress, Senate, somebody where you're like, they fear this guy. Well I think it has to be, you have to have a majority of the Congress who's willing to

stand firm on something. I argue, example I use is from a year ago, we have these continuing resolutions, not the way you should operate, you should just pass the appropriation bills, the individual bills, but continued resolutions aren't all bad if you're gaining something in the process and I argued when we were in one of these situations a year ago going up to September 30th, the end of our our fiscal year I said if we're going to do a continued resolution let's stand firm on something say okay we'll fund the government at the level you guys want we'll do it we won't do the

individual bills we'll fund them but we want to fix the border and we should have attached I thought some simple language which said no money can be used to process or release into the country any new migrants. So just call a timeout on the asylum claims. Not a timeout on people with a legitimate visa or anything, but people coming in claiming asylum, because we know most of those people aren't legitimate claims. Let's just call a timeout on that and hold firm on that. After all, even Mayor Adams in New York was saying, oh, this, we can't have millions and

millions of migrants just coming into our country like the Biden and Harris administration was doing. And unfortunately, we couldn't get the votes for it. So that's that's how I think you play. I learned a long time ago in politics. One really good issue beats 15 pretty good issues every time. And we had a really good issue that if we're in a fight on appropriations and on spending,

we should have focused on that to me was the really good. What's the longest government shutdown we ever had? 35 day government, the longest years. Something like that, yeah. 1995, 1996, led to 380 federal workers for loading and did it to 420. So when we say government shutdown, who doesn't get paid? This will go all the way down to military, army,

air force, national guard? Is it everybody? Or what is government shut down? No, there's essential services that do get paid and aren't shut down. In the end, it's really relatively small. And you can make sure, like we say, well, we wanna fund the military.

But what the left will typically do is they'll hold up the defense bill and they'll say we're not going to pass the defense bill until you pass all the other welfare spend who's better at holding the power of purse the left or the right well i mean we're the left one to spend money all the time so we we definitely want to spend less than what the what the left does what you're, if they're using military spending, and that's a big amount, right? They're spending military. Who's better at using that card? We're not going to give you entitlements, we're not going to let you spend money.

The Democrats use that every cycle. Every year they will say, because frankly, the number one responsibility of the federal government is to secure the country. So we should pass the, that should be the first bill we pass. Do the national defense authorization, authorize where it needs to go, fund the defense department, make sure our military needs what it needs and military families are taken care of.

And the weapons systems we need to deal with China and North Korea, Russia, everything else, fine. Pass that first and then negotiate. But they never, the left always says, no, we're holding that up because they know Republicans, you know, that's central to the defense of the country. They hold that up because they want all the other same with the farm.

You know, when I was trying to be a firefighter, I went to the fire department in Granada Hills and I'll never forget, I walked, I didn't have a car. My car hasn't been delivered yet. The Mitsubishi Eclipse, I was waiting for it. I went knocked on the door. I'd like to be a firefighter. Really? Yeah, I just got out of the army. I TST a the door, I'd like to be a firefighter. Really, yeah, I just got out of the Army. I T.S.ed a week ago.

I'd like to get a job. There's a five year freeze for firefighters right now in LA County. I'm like, really, yeah, seriously, yeah. Wow, I thought I was gonna get out there. By the way, thank God there was, because what I ended up doing was great. But if I was a firefighter,

I may have retired seven years ago from being a firefighter, you know, eight years ago from being a firefighter, I may have retired seven years ago from being a firefighter, eight years ago from being a firefighter. But when's the last time you guys had a freeze? We're shutting down the border. We're not taking anybody for a year, two years until we figure this thing out. We're shutting down such and such department. We're not hiring anybody a freeze for the next two years. When's the last time you guys had a freeze? I can't recall. We couldn't even

I mean think about this we couldn't even in one of the bills the fund the government I think this is last year we couldn't even stop the FBI money that had already been appropriated we couldn't even call back money that had been appropriated for a new FBI headquarters. Like what? There's no way the American people want the FBI to get a new headquarters. The FBI that spied on President Trump, the FBI that had a memorandum in the Richmond Field Office that if you're a pro-life Catholic you're an extremist, the FBI that, you know,

can't tell us who planted the pipe bombs on January 6, who leaked the Dobbs opinion, who had cocaine at the White House. They can't tell us any of that stuff but they need a headquarters like you got to be kidding me so some of these things are frustrating. Let me ask you a question. What happened here? Everybody wanted to know what happened. You play this clip Rob. I don't know if you've seen this or not. Maybe you can lower the audio a little bit Rob. Increase it a little bit. This went viral. Everybody got an envelope. President Carter, that's Hillary, Bill. Jeb gets the same envelope. Mom shows it to him.

Look at Jeb's reaction and her reaction her reaction And refresh my memory. Is this at John McCain's funeral? Who's funeral? George H.W. Bush. This is Senior. Senior's funeral. Oh, okay. What is this envelope? Do you know anything? I have no idea. I have no idea. What would typically be an envelope like this where you're giving for Jeb to react the way

he did for his wife? I mean, your first, my first thought is, if I remember correctly, President Trump did not attend or did he? He did but he did I believe he ended up having to leave early for something So I he did not get an envelope, but he was in attendance at the okay, okay? I don't know my first inclination was something about Trump, but I but I I Have no idea What's your what's your guess?

Yeah, I mean, if you think about if you buy into the idea that there's establishment, anti-establishment, OK, it's fair to say Clinton, Obama, Bush, Biden, that's all establishment. Right. They've been around for a while. Prescott, senior. GW. But did Cheney get one too? I saw Dick Cheney there. Did he get one, do you know? I didn't see. I couldn't see. And then Obama doesn't have a big reaction. They're pros. Hillary Clinton, not a big reaction.

You're seeing some of this stuff. Jeb's reaction, big reaction. I just wonder like, who gave the envelope? Do we know who gave the envelope to everybody? Because even Obama's got the envelope. You know what happens if you're receiving the envelope? If you're receiving the envelope, you're not the leader. It's kind of like when they say, hey, I just got a quarter million dollar check for doing XYZ. And then people say, yeah, I want got a quarter million dollar check for doing XYZ.

And then people say, yeah, I want to know who cut the check. You know what I'm saying? Like, who cut the check? Oh, the guy that cut the check is the guy I want to know, right? Who's handing the envelopes over? It's got to be someone's assistant that's relaying a message. So who's more powerful than those guys? And this is in the church service at the funeral.

Is it kind of like, it almost looks like, hey? And this is in the church service at the funeral. It almost looks like, hey kids, this is your allowance. Man, I wish my allowance was bigger. What is this? That sucks. I want a bigger allowance than this, right? It's not like it's a lovelace. And by the way, if you go back to the clip with the white envelope, it's not a letter

and it's not a paragraph. Go to Jeb, look how long it takes for Jeb to realize what's in the envelope. It didn't take seven seconds. Press play, count the seconds, she reacts, he sees. That's half a second. So half a second is what, a number? A half a second reaction to something can only be if it's a, and then it's got to be small enough so the people behind you don't see.

Maybe it says, you know, there is no bone and rib eye for dinner tonight. Right, Rob? Maybe it's just chicken only. It's like, Jeff is like, are you kidding me, Mom? I need more options than chicken. I like steak. Maybe it's like a vegetarian. He's upset that there's no vegetarian option on the menu.

It can be that innocent. Let's not go deeper here, Jim. It was almost like a disgusting look though. Some people don't like chicken, right? Yeah, but it wasn't a disappointed look. It was a disgusted look. That's a good point. From both...

So you're saying it's more like caviar, like he just doesn't like it? Some people are disgusted by caviar. From Mrs. Bush and- Play it again Rob, just that one clip. Look at Jeb, he looks like he needs to go to the bathroom. Press it again. Look at that. Wow.

Yeah, that's- Can you speculate, even somebody, I'm surprised you've never seen this. Yeah, I have. I have and I'm actually kind of surprised I haven't too. Is this all continuous or is it spliced? Is it like you know like that whatever number of seconds it's that's how it happens? That's how the video, this video that's been viral and a lot of people have shared it and talked about it, everybody wants to know what's in the white envelope. It's only been seen in this pattern

of sequencing of clips. Now somebody may have edited it and put it together, who knows, but it is all from the event of George Boy senior's funeral. And it's not like, you know know one part of it I'm like okay maybe who's speaking tonight you wouldn't know who's already speaking so it's not speaking yeah maybe it's a meeting later on today maybe it's Trump left Trump won't be here he left he's not here yeah he's doing this but you know

he said this what is it that was my first thought right because you know there's there's obviously no love lost between President Trump and Jeb Bush. The vector in the campaign. What did Trump say? Oh you're really tough, Jeff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're really tough. Well let me get this straight.

I started off all the way on the end, now I'm over here, you're at 3%, I'm at 41% and soon you're going to be off the stage here, right? That's the whole, he's tough exchange that they have. Yeah, well, and he called him low energy, you know, all the time. He wasn't lying though. I know, I know. You know, there's a difference between being a president and a governor, right? Is this the clip, Rob? I'm looking, I'm not sure.

I don't think this is it. I think there's a different one. Maybe, but I don't know if that's the one or not. Are you still thinking about that white envelope? Is that kind of where you're still going? It's like, that's the one or not. Are you still thinking about that white envelope? Is that kind of where you're going? It's like that's unbelievable. I It just I mean, I'm curious because it is a it is a disgusted look It looks like from Jeb Bush have you ever been at events where you've gotten a white envelope and you're like, holy shit

What is this? I have not. Yeah, I have not Yeah, but how about President Trump? You made me think when you said that picture of him on the debate stage back in back in 2015, he comes to that. I've told him this. I said, you fundamentally changed American politics. So the first debate was 2015 in Cleveland, because remember the 2016 convention was in Cleveland. And I remember that day I asked, I told policy, come with me today. We're doing some stops in our district in the northern part of district I said we'll go on up to Cleveland and we'll watch the debate. So she came with me and if you remember there was always the junior varsity debate right and then

then there was the varsity debate. And Trump was always center stage of varsity debate because he was leading in the polls and he and if you remember the first question from Megan Kelly of course was Rosie O'Donnell you've called women this this that that's natural only Rosie O'Donnell yeah and I remember I when I talked to the president about this I said you fundamentally change politics this one my boys tell me he says says dad he changed politics because everyone else would have answered it with well I was taking out of context and you know, they had a yabba dabba doo.

And he just went, he just leaned in and gave the response he did. And what was amazing in the arena, everybody laughed. Every guy laughed. Every lady laughed. Everybody, because my wife was sitting beside me, she was laughing like everyone else. Oh, you were in the room. Yeah, we were in there when he did. And then, and then of course, the other thing he did when I was telling this story about

how he changed politics, literally in the first debate, he goes, yeah, but that wasn't the best part of the debate. I go, really? He goes, yeah, the best part of the debate was, he goes later. He says, if you remember, Megyn Kelly asked, how many of you will pledge to support the Republican nominee, whoever wins, how many of you will pledge to support? Raise your hand. He didn't raise his will pledge to support, raise your hand. He didn't raise his hand.

He didn't raise his hand. And she looks at him, she goes, well, Mr. Trump, you didn't raise your hand. And he gave a totally American common sense answer, right? He goes, kind of looks both ways, he goes, depends on who it is, right? And which is exactly where Americans are, depends on who it is.

And since that time, it's been, Trump's dominated the party and I think dominated politics for what, 10 years now. Which one, is this the clip, Rob? Yes, I'm just having internet issues. Well, let's see if it, okay. If it doesn't play, it's totally fine. So yeah, I mean, look, for us that were on the outside

and we just kind of watched this stuff taking place, you sit there and you wonder, who really are these power players? Who really are these guys that have the influence behind closed doors? Who's telling these guys what to do? Have you met any of these guys? Have these guys? Because you know, yesterday Ben Shapiro posted something out. He says, I got a text.

Right, Rob? If you want to pull up the text that Ben Shapiro got, he says, I just got this text from, was it New York Times? I think it's a New York Times, Ben Shapiro, New York Times text. Yeah, New York Times. And he shares it, that he got, if you go lower, it'll show what the text was. That's the one right there. Hey, good day, Mr. Shapiro.

I hope you're doing well. I'm Nico Gran, reporter, New York Times. I wanted to give you an opportunity to comment for an upcoming article that's taking a look at how political commentators have discussed the upcoming election on YouTube. We rely on the last da-da-da-da-da-da. October 29, here's the points, talking points, media matters, identify 286 YouTube videos between May and August that contain election misinformation, research has identified videos posted by you in those four months.

We feature a clip of you saying your party rigged many of the voting rules in advance. I also have a few questions. Are you a member of the YouTube Partner Program? If so, how frequently does YouTube demonetize you? Has YouTube sent you messages, emails, or notices last year that your content is not? So he posted. Then Tucker says he got it as well and Tucker gave him a very nice response. I don't know if you heard what he said to him.

I can imagine. Yeah, he said F off or something like that, right? And thank you for your prompt response. Would you like to address any of these? I would like to participate in a 10 to censor me, no thanks. But I do hope you'll quote me and I write above, note that I told you to F off, which I am now doing, thanks. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Well, by the way, Ben Shapiro came and testified. And literally a week later, Ben's testimony was powerful and he testified on this Garm

issue we were talking about briefly earlier, because what they were doing to the Daily Wire. And then, like I said, Garm no longer in business out of business. Oh here he is yeah he did a great job. How long is it right? We don't need to play right now so it's a longer one but you know I guess a part of it with everything that's going on let's talk Google right I mean for the last three days everybody's been posting you know Rogan's videos not showing up Rogan's videos not showing up they're censoring that all this other stuff and a Rogan comes out and says, well, when it comes onto YouTube, yes, it wasn't showing

up, but if you want to watch it, we post it over here. And then YouTube even responds back and says, look, we were having some issues. It is true that other clips were showing up, not the main interview. We are working on it. We apologize for inconvenience. So YouTube responds. And the average person gets to decide whether they're censoring or not. That's up to the average person to think about. And then when you go a little bit

deeper and you look at the numbers you'll notice the number one company that donates the most of the Democratic Party is Google, right? It's not something that's not known, it's public. You can look at what the company is that gives the most to Trump, that's public. If you want to look at who gave the most to Kamala, right there, Google number one, buy a mile, then it's Microsoft, then Brown on Brown, J&J, Apple, Oracle, Wells, Nvidia. If you look to look at who gave the most to Kamala right there Google number one by a mile then it's Microsoft Then Brown and Brown J&J Apple Oracle Wells Nvidia if you look at Trump American Airlines Walmart Boeing Lockheed United Airlines FedEx both broke Johnson Johnson And it's not even close when you look at the numbers that's been given right small amounts

So you've worked with Google before you work with those guys going back and forth You know how much of it you think is still happening to the levels where they are favoring Kamala, they are favoring the other candidate not Trump, you know trying to censor some of the interviews or are you at a point where you're starting to trust Google more than you did before? I mean I think I think all the left Media tech I think it all is biased to the left. It's it's like Do your on your phone? Do your news app hit the news and every single story with the exception of Fox on the app comes up is Negative on Trump or Vance or a Republican just every single one

So we just know that's the lay of the land. God bless Elon for buying Twitter. We now have a place where it's fair, where it's, you know, like I said, the First Amendment is actually operating as the first First Amendment. So that's just, I always say, I always say the left has a template, a formula they follow all the time The left tells a lie

Big media reports the lie Big tech amplifies the lie and then when you tell the truth they call you a racist or they'll call you something else They'll call you the liar or they'll call you whatever and then pretty soon your position proves accurate and then then they're on to the next lie and it's like Trump colluded with Russia total lie we all we all knew what we thought it was at the time we went through the facts Mueller did a three year investigation two year investigation 30 million dollars tax free money concluded no collusion no but chip tells it media reports it big tech amplifies it and frankly if you're against it

Big Tech amplifies it and frankly if you're against it, I remember in 20... So this is right in the middle of all that one. 2018, I get a call from a colleague, Congressman Gates, and he says, Jim, Twitter is shadow banning us. And at that time, it was like, what's this, six years ago, I was like, what's, what, you know, I didn't know what shadow banning, what is it? And he kind of explains it. Turned out, he was right, six years ago. I was like, what's, you know, I didn't know what shadow ban, what is it? And he kind of explains it. Turned out, he was right, Twitter was shadow banning four members of Congress. Gates, Nunes, Meadows, Jordan.

Just happened to be the four guys who were digging into the whole Mueller thing and the whole Russia collusion as being BS. And sure enough, they said, well, we didn't mean to do it. It was a glitch in our algorithm, which is in essence what YouTube said today or yesterday. So I just feel like it always. But between the four, let's just go between the three. Twitter, and I put Twitter aside, go Google, Facebook, and Apple. Let's just say between those three, right?

Which one of them is most accommodating? Which one of them do you still not trust that they're still doing something behind closed doors? Well, I think probably the one that's the most concerning is Google, because that's where what, it's like 80, 90% of searches happen on Google. So I guess I'm probably more concerned about that. I feel like it's gotten better, but is it fair? I still have, I think I'm probably like a lot of Americans used to kind of wonder, but I feel like it's gotten

better. And I'd like to think frankly that some of it's gotten better because of the work we've done on our committee where, you know, where we've done these investigations and got facts out there on these various things. I mean, I know like Climate Action 100, a number of people have left that organization too. So there's, because of our investigations and so I do think it's getting better, but it requires, I think, Congress doing its oversight work. So in regards to the Facebook letter that Zuck wrote, I don't know if you remember the letter that he wrote. Right, he wrote it to you guys, yeah. And hey, you know, at the end of the day, yes.

I just wanna read the main part to honorable Jim Jordan, you know, to you. Appreciate the coming to some of those. I welcome the opportunity to share what we've taken on. There's a lot to talk about around government. So in 2021, senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor COVID-19, including Qmer and Satara

and expressed a lot of frustration with our teams when we didn't agree. Ultimately, it was our decision whether or not to take down, and we own our decision, including COVID-19 related changes. We made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure. I believe the government pressure was wrong and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it. I also think we made choices that with the benefit of hindsight and new information we

wouldn't make today. Like I said to our teams, at the time I feel strongly that we should not compromise our content standards due to the pressure from any administration in either direction and we're ready to push back if something like this happens again. Now, some of the people when this was taken, I'm curious, because he wrote the letter to you. I said, so he's either being noble about it

and he's been spending a lot of time with the UFC guys, fighters, anytime you're spending time with those guys, Dana, those guys are just America, fighting, it's very simple, libertarian mindset type of deal, little bit edgy and he's liking being around those guys, right? He's actually getting along with being around those guys. It's either noble, it's number two, he's sick of it on what's happened with the three, he's

scared for, he's getting ready for Trump, that's going to be in office and this was his way of saying, I don't think Biden's going to win, I think at the time Biden was still the candidate. What do you think was the reason for him? And by the way, if this letter would have come out in the next seven days, that could have determined the election. Democrats are lucky this came out four or five months ago. The timing of this happening now could be like the Chris, to Comey saying to Hillary Clinton a week before whatever

it was five days before the election. Some say that was the reason why Trump won. So why do you think he wrote this letter publicly and shared it with everybody, including yourself? Because he was tired of our investigation. We deposed 12 people at Metta Facebook from top-level people all the way down to line-level people and we were getting the facts. I mean we we we deposed Sir Nick Clegg, member of Parliament, number I think three at Metta. He sat for a long deposition. And the

other thing, it basically admits three things in here. We were pressured to censor. We did in fact censor. And then he said later in the letter, he said, and he references the Hunter Biden laptop story and then and then he references the fact that no more Zucker bucks. He's not going to spend a bunch of money. Yeah, $400 million. Yeah, $400 million. That That I think impacted the election.

So I think he would just like okay we went out of this we're gonna admit to what actually happened and he gave us the facts and you know we're continuing to look at this this broad censorship issue but I think that was the primary but all the things you ravelled off, it could have been all the above. But certainly at some point when we've deposed, I believe it was 12 people already at Facebook. How's your relationship with him now? I don't talk, I dealt with Clegg. His people?

Yeah, I dealt with Clegg. And fine relationship with Clegg, he said for a long deposition. I mean, one of the things I do remember that he said, and I think I can say this because I think we've released the deposition. He basically said, you know, 99 percent, I think 99 percent of his money doesn't come, you know, their business model is not politics. It's only like one, but one percent of the, but the politics is like 99 percent of their problems when it gets into political stuff. And so that probably was part of it as well

Yeah, I mean between his team and Google's team whose team is easier to deal with whose lawyers are easier to deal with That are more accommodating. Oh, I think we dealt with Facebook. They're easier to deal with. Yeah I would talk with some of our staff lawyers, but I'm pretty sure it's Facebook. Facebook. Yeah. Interesting. Like I said, we deposed their number three guy. You mentioned Matt Gaetz earlier, right? Ten minutes ago.

And Trump at an event yesterday, I think, or two days ago, he said, there's a secret Matt Gaetz and I know. Can you play this clip? I'm curious to know if you know what the secret is about. Go ahead Rob We got to get the senators elected because we can take the Senate pretty easily and I think with our little secret we're gonna do really well with the house Right our little secret is having a big impact He and I have a secret will tell you what it is when the race is over

Do you have any idea what he's talking about? I think he might be talking to the speaker, because I saw a clip, maybe it's Matt, maybe it's Matt too, but I was thinking I was with Speaker Johnson. I don't, unless he's referring, oh maybe someone said Matt Gaetz here, okay.

Was this in Madison Square Garden? Was it Sunday night? MSG. I don't know, Was this in Madison Square Garden? Was it Sunday night? Or was this? Okay. Okay. I don't know, but it was funny. Johnson was having some, I saw a clip where Johnson was having some fun with the press on talking about the secret too.

It could be all the, President Trump is really good late in campaigns doing these tele town halls where he calls into a member of Congress's district and people get on the line and you know how President Trump's just good in those settings and firing people up to go vote. So they may be referring to that, maybe something else. I have no idea. Okay.

Congress, Senate, Governor, President, your experience. You know when you, in sports, if you go and you look at offensive line, they have a certain personality about themselves. Protective, you know, big brother, you kinda see a pattern of who they were growing up, all this other stuff, right? Corner, safety, you know,

little bit different of a personality. Wide receivers, typically the number one position for divas that, you know, little bit different of personality. Wide receivers, typically the number one position for divas that, you know, they're always like, oh my God, it's not fair, you didn't throw me the ball enough, always very demanding, you know, temperamental. If you think about the history of wide receivers and all this stuff. And then if you go to running back,

different quarterback, leader, you know, wanting to make the team come together, there's different wiring for different things, right? Profile of somebody that's in Congress versus Senate versus governor versus president. Is there a different, like if you were to say Congress typically their strength is this, this, this is their wiring. Senate they're typically known for this. Governor they're typically this and president is this. I would say like with anything typically you find driven people you know people who set goals work hard and accomplish things. The Congress is I think literally a totally

and this is the founders intent as well I think is a reflection of the country. You just you sit down in, like sometimes we're in there voting and you're all sitting around and there's no assigned seat in the House, but you're sitting in there and you just kind of look around. There are all kinds of people, all kinds of backgrounds. And sometimes you wonder, you know, what's the old joke about Congress?

The old joke is when you first get there, you look around like, wow, I can't believe I'm in Congress. And then once you're there a while, you look around and you say, I can't believe they're in Congress and then once you're there a while you look around you say I can't believe they're in Congress right yeah but it's like there that's their district and it's so there's it's truly a composite of the nation the Senate is a little more I mean great people a lot good friends over there but the Senate's a little more you know the Senate you know it's like the upper chamber and and I guess I

would I would think in this I think just, most Americans would probably, I guess, believe this and think this, is the governor and the president are like executives, so they're like a leader of a, like a CEO kind of mindset more so than the House where it's committee work, and it's not quite the same as the CEO mindset, particularly in the House. So. committee work and it's not quite the same as the CEO mindset particularly in the House. Would you say House is like in a military enlisted Senate is more officers? Is that a way of looking

at it? Well in the Senate you know the old joke about the Senate too is you know there are a hundred senators think they're the next president right so they're all you know. Think highly of themselves. Well yeah yeah, and it's not bad. I mean, it's just the way it is. I'm reading a great book right now. It's a team of rivals, Doris. A great book, yeah. And it's amazing.

Lincoln, right? How he was able to work with everybody. Chase, Salmon, and Bates, and their quest to be important in politics and achieve high office. And it's fascinating. I'm only about 160 pages in, but it's a fascinating book. So yeah, there may be some of that.

But the House is truly, and again, I think this is how the founders won. It's the country. You got all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds, college degrees, non-college degrees. You got business people, the non-business people, you got it all doctors, lawyers, you got everything and it's getting a reflection of the nation. Yeah, Rob, did you have the next clip on what I'm looking at here? Okay, well I don't know if you have it or not but I'll go to the next one. So, new world order,

right? You hear this phrase, new world order, new world order, new world order, right? And yeah, I went with our crew, Brandon, Rob and I were like, listen, when Right you hear this phrase new world order new world order new world order right and yeah I went with with our crew Brandon Robin. I were like listen when was that phrase first for example when I I lived in Iran 78 to 89 almost 11 years right so I said Iran used the phrase death upon America first right mark bad Ombra and if you look at who's the first person that said death upon America, Rob, if you Google that, the first country that said death upon America was North Korea.

And they said it I think in 54, 59 if you zoom in. Can you see what the exact date is? If you go on the Wikipedia, death to America, and you type in North Korea, type in control left North Korea and go to it, it'll give you the date. Zoom in a little bit, Rob. Yeah, North Korea. Thank you. If you can zoom in go lower 1979 was Iran, but keep going to North Korea. It should tell you 1950s right there 1950s is the first time so two countries have only used the phrase Death upon America that should tell us something about who says that Iran and North Korea, right? Yeah, and prior to that nobody ever said death upon America. That should tell us something about who says that, Iran and North Korea, right?

And prior to that, nobody ever said death upon America. I'm curious. So the first time the word New World Order was used in the States was exactly 9-11, 1990. 9-11, 1990 by Bush Senior. Well, the speech that we have, he said this in a different meeting, but this one is not 9-11. This is another meeting right after that. I think this is January or February of 91. This looks like State of the Union. Yeah, it is. Play the clip, Rob. A new partnership of nations has begun, and we stand today at a unique and

extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective, a new world order can emerge, a new era, freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, East and West, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor. You can pause it right there.

What do you think about this? I remember at the time I was... 26? 25? I remember at the time I was 26 25. Yeah, so I've been yeah 20 26 so I didn't think a whole lot about it, you know On the rest of that helping guys become all-american and hopefully win some big 10 championships the But it is kind of interesting when you when you look back. It's been that long I am nervous though in today's world about But it is kind of interesting when you look back, it's been that long.

I am nervous though in today's world about these guys in Europe who, you know, they all fly over there and they do their, where is that? The event they do every year. The Davos World. Yeah, the Davos, of course. Yeah, the Klaus guy. Yeah, the Klaus guy.

Cause he just seems kind of creepy and strange to me and talking about some of these same kind of terms. Like, look, the Klaus guy. Yeah. Because he just seems kind of creepy and strange to me and talking about some of these same kind of terms. Like, look, I'm for America. I want America to be the greatest country, the leading country. One of the things I, we've traveled to Israel several times, my wife and I, with other members of Congress.

And when you're over there, one of the things the folks in Israel will tell you you is they say the best way you can help us, the best way America can help Israel is for America to stay strong. If America is strong, we're better off. And I would argue the world's better place if America leads. Our values, our principles, our economy. And so I'm not, yeah there he is, I'm not too interested in this this this He looks like a sweetheart though. Yeah, his voice is even better when he speaks. It's kind of what a gentle giant Yeah, it's uh, um, you ever heard him speak. I have it's like a motive like tony robbins motivational speaker. It just fires you up

You know, it's just Yeah I've got to listen to him now. No, you have to. Just look elsewhere. This is the kind of voice that if you're late at night, you have a lot of stress, let him play, you will fall asleep. You'll have nightmares, but you'll fall asleep.

Go ahead, Rob. In this new world, we have to accept transparency, and I would even say total transparency. Everything will be transparent. The present system is not enough. You can pause there. Yeah, just so you want running things, right? Like, holy cow. But on the inside, are you so, like, you know, I remember I'm in an insurance company. I'm a regular guy. I'm coming up. So, and then all of a sudden, I'm making some noise. Then I become a player.

Then I become an executive chairman with the company and I'm doing very well and I'm one of the guys that's in the face of the company and I get invited to this one meeting where 54, 56 some CEOs, vice presidents are going to be in this room. And I walk in to just size everybody up, right? To kind of see what I'm not like, oh wow, I used to look up to that guy. Damn, he's been late to every flipping meeting and he leaves early and he's always got a drink in his hand. Wow, disappointed.

What a great speaker you are on stage. Dude, you're a schlep. What was that all about? Then I'm like, okay, that guy right there, he keeps talking about he wants his commissions to be higher for people that are no longer selling. The last time he sold something was 12 years ago. All he talks about is his handicap.

He doesn't like work, he's done. This guy over here, that guy's a killer. He's going places. Who is she? Let me go see if I can have dinner with those guys. And then when you go there, and then some of the guys that have been around for five to 10 years will coach you.

And they'll say, okay, you want to lull the land? Yes. Those guys have been done. Those three are about to get a divorce. That guy's got a cocaine addiction. That guy's a gambler. He's almost lost all his money. That other guy's going through a major issue in his personal life.

That guy's got the most talent out of all of us, but he doesn't think big enough. That person's a great person to stay close to because everybody trusts him and he'll never lie to you. Not the biggest earner, but he's the number one character guy in the room a great person to stay close to because everybody trusts him and he'll never lie to you. Not the biggest earner, but he's the number one character guy in the room. And I remember that moment, I'm like,

oh my God, what the, what is going on here? Innocent, right, it's naive. 26, 27 years old. I'm in a room like this, 28 years old. So for you, when you walk in and you're in it and now you've been in it for 30 years and you're around it, is anybody talking about the New World Order stuff and what things they're worried about and what their concerns are? No, they're just coming to work and doing their jobs.

I think we're rightly concerned about China. I'm real concerned about this talk of central bank digital currency. I don't want the government seeing every purchase we make and all this it was like that's frightening particularly when you think about What we've seen the government do The my CBDC yeah, that's up is that's great, and I'm not on the financial service I got some buddies on that committee who talked who are more experts and you know I'm not an expert at all, but they're experts in this and they understand it they're like this is bad and because I've seen it in other areas I mean you talk about people in the government I think are part of the swamp we deposed

as part of this this if you remember the letter the 51 Intel officials who did this course 20 yes so we deposed Clapper and Brennan and Morrell Morrell's a guy who put it all together, organized it all, at the urging of Tony Blinken, who was working for the Biden campaign. But when we deposed these guys, they're the ones who got this attitude like, in some ways they would strike me as like the Klaus guy here, when we deposed Brennan and Clapper, the arrogance and the idea that, you know, they still think Trump is some like danger. It's like, it's crazy. So that is, that is, those are the guys that I think are

concerned. I don't, I don't know if they're, we got members who come focused on their job, serving their constituents back home, which I think is our primary responsibility. But there are some big interests. We've got to make sure our military's... Who are the bad guys? Who are the real, real bad guys? But I mean specific. The bad guys, not the people that are.

Is Chuck Schumer a bad guy? I think they're there they're I always say not all Democrats are crazy but the left that controls their party is and the left I mean you go down the list of all the crazy policy positions it's crazy to defund the police the left believes that though it's crazy not to have a border left believes that it's crazy let non-citizens vote in our election left believes that it's crazy say men let non-citizens vote in our election. The left believes that. It's crazy to say that men should compete against women in sports.

You can just keep going. So it's the left that controls their party. Who is for sale? Do you know the people that are for sale? Are there anybody that's for sale that they'll sell America for anything? I wouldn't put it in that terms. I would just put it in the political, the energy in the Democrat Party is from the left and the left has this, I mean look at what's happened, look what happened on college

campuses with, you have people protesting in favor of Hamas for goodness sake, they're terrorists. So and because of that you have members of I think people in elected position who kind of waffle on their positions on Israel, for goodness sake. So I think that's the concern. It's the energy in their party is the left, and the left is now in control of their party. So much so that you got members of the Democrat Party saying we're going to go to executive session so no one can hear what RFK jr. is going

to testify to in a hearing on censorship. I mean that's crazy. But you know to me you could be pro-abortion right and pro-choice they call it pro-choice nowadays and you can make your argument and maybe you're an atheist, maybe you're an agnostic, maybe you're not a Christian, maybe you're a Scientologist, like, hey man, pro-choice, let the woman decide. But that's what you believe in, right? Maybe you believe in higher taxes.

Billionaires don't pay enough money, they don't pay enough taxes. Okay, maybe you haven't done research that 80 plus percent of taxes are being paid by the people that pay enough money, they don't pay enough taxes. Okay, maybe you haven't done research, dad, 80 plus percent of the taxes are being paid by the people that are making money. The bottom 50% pays 4% of all the taxes. The bottom 50% pays 4% of all the taxes. You do a little bit of research and you're like,

oh shit, I didn't know that, I thought they never paid that. So we can have that conversation. But are there people that are evil? Are there people that genuinely are driven by power, you know, and evil tendencies that they're willing to sell their country to somebody else where they're for sale that a China can come and go after them? Is that how it is or is it just a pure differentiation in policies?

No, I don't think it's treasonous or anything like that. I think there's people who just believe all the crazy left stuff. Even though socialism never worked anywhere it's been tried, somehow it can work here because we're so smart and we're being charged and it'll be the first place it actually works. I mean, I think naive, they want political power, they think in their particular part of the country that's the right position. So it's politics, they believe it, it's all that, but I don't think it's corrupt. You've got four kids. Did you send all of them to college?

They all went to college. Okay, so you know, corrupt her. You got four kids. Yeah. Did you send all of them to college? They all went to college. Okay, so, you know. All graduated too. Really? Okay, fantastic, congrats. So I got four kids, and you know, if, and one of my guys, ex-wives, was with me, and we were talking, it's me, him, her,

and another couple here, and my wife. And she's like a big AOC fan, she had just come from a rally, and she loved AOC, just like 10 years ago. I said, let me ask you a question. Why do you believe in socialism so much? Are you kidding me, all this money rich people make and look what they're, I said, just out of curiosity, in high school, what was your favorite subject?

Oh, journalism and, you know, English. I said, okay, what was your least favorite subject? Oh, journalism and English. It's okay. What was your least favorite subject? Oh, I hate math. I wonder if the pattern and the profile of somebody that likes the liberal left policies, they're terrible at math. So maybe logic and reason and that is a little bit lower. And by the way, there's a lot of data that proves that what percentage of school teachers give money to the left. 98% of English teachers do.

And the lowest one is math teachers. 87%. So your four kids that went to school, did they go to any schools that are, did they go to like Hillsdale or did they go to open to? Oh, they went to Big Ten. Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Iowa. Did any one of them ever go to school

and to call you back and say, dad, you know, I don't know 10. Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Iowa. Did any one of them ever go to school and to call you back and say, Dad, you know, I don't know if I'm a, I disagree with this. What about, that's never happened. I think it makes a difference too, if they're, now our oldest daughter was a good high school distance runner, didn't run in college,

but our other three kids were all college athletes. And so I think part of it is, I think athletes think like conservatives, and conservatives think, you know, I think there's something about setting the goal, working hard, competition, all the things we talked about before. So both our boys wrestled for the Badgers and our daughter played, she didn't play particularly well, but she played college golf. She's pretty good junior player. So sports? I think sports are critical. I think. But I know a lot of liberal athletes. Well, there's some but there's a lot of conservative guys, you know, it's it's It's certainly in the I talked to the president yesterday. He brought the Penn State wrestling team up on stage

He was in State College. I called him up We were laughing because it just was funny that he brought him up there. Maybe we talked about that before but it's it's Certainly in the wrestling world there they're conservative and I think a lot of them are. Rob, last thing before we wrap up. The clip that you just pulled up, what Schumer said on MSNBC. So if we can play this clip here. Go ahead. Solicited pronouncement on the intelligence community. This was his tweet just a little while ago tonight.

You see the scare quotes there. The intelligence briefing on so-called Russian hacking was delayed until Friday. Perhaps more time needed to build a case. Very strange. We're actually told, intelligence sources tell NBC News since this tweet has been posted, that actually this intelligence briefing for the president-elect was always planned for Friday.

It hasn't been delayed. But he's taking these shots, this antagonism, it's taunting to the intelligence community. You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this. What do you think the intelligence community would do if they were moving into?

I don't know, but from what I am told, they are... Who's the wrong group to piss off in politics? Is it them? Well, that is frightening, though, what what he said and I even think it's interesting because Rachel Maddow for being a lefty and everything, you think it seemed to me that she even, I remember this because I've talked about this numerous times, the idea that the elected official is saying if you question the agencies who are supposed to work for the people that are elected by we the people,

somehow you're in trouble? That is backwards is that is backwards that's not how it's supposed and this is a scary thing the people who put their name on the ballot they're the ones who are supposed to be accountable you don't like what they do you throw them out of office not these unelected people in the intelligence community or the Fouchies of the world it's that that is so wrong but I remember this and we use I talked about this a number of times back. That is so wrong. But I remember this. And I talked about this a number of times back in… Is this not criminal though? Is this not criminal?

It's wrong. It's sure wrong. And whether it's the intelligence community, the FBI, the DOJ, the ATF… What the ATF did to this Brian Malinowski down in Little Rock, Arkansas, because he sold six guns. He's the highest paid official in the Little Rock government, runs the bill in Hillary Clinton Airport. ATF came to his door pre-dawn, put the sticker on his doorbell cam so they couldn't see. 58 seconds later he is dead. For a search one, just go when he's not there and get the guns or whatever. It's like, yeah, this is it right here.

This is so wrong what happened here. This is something else we're in the process of investigating. What happened again here? He sold what? You said six? He sold six guns without an FFL, federal firearms license. And he was a gun hobbyist. And the ATF says, oh, you didn't have a license. We're going to come exercise a search warrant not for him but for you know, whatever

Do it when he's not there don't come in at six in the morning guy with guns thinks he's being robbed They've ten cars pulled up You got it. You got to watch the testimony his lawyer came and testified bud. Can you pull it up or up? I'm actually I didn't know about the story. It's it's uh But what's the former US attorney who represents the family now. He came and testified. It was powerful. His widow was there. She, she came and, no, I don't think that's, that might be. It's, it was, it's such a sad story. And, but anyway, that just got me thinking about all these agencies and how they unelected

people doing the things they're doing. Yeah, this is at Bud Cummings, that's right, former U.S. attorneys representing the family. Mr. Malanasi's wife was there after the hearing. She came up and hugged me. Saddest thing, saddest thing, what happened? Yeah, it's troubling. Are they as like, get out of jail car to be able to do stuff like this and not be held accountable? Is that where they're at? The intelligence? Let's hope not.

Let's hope not. And, you know, what we can do is best way we can begin to change it is seven days from now on this election make sure President Trump and Republicans win. Jim Jordan this was great it was great spending time with you I appreciate you for coming out and hopefully we'll do many more of these in the future. I look forward to it. Thanks for all the good work you're doing. Absolutely appreciate you Jim this. This was great, fantastic.

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