PBD Podcast - Former CIA Agent Mike Baker | PBD Podcast | EP 135

Episode Date: March 16, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Adam Sosnick and Former CIA covert operations officer Mike Baker. Subscribe to get all notifications. TOPICS C.I.A. vs F.B.I.  Which Federal agencies can we eliminate The downside to privatizing federal agencies Does the C.I.A. have any world leaders in their pockets? Iranian ties to then CIA  38:38 - Is Vladimir Putin crazy? Is Ukraine being used as a proxy war? C.I.A. trained cat spies Driver arrested using Legoland License The rise in gas prices Saudi Arabia is going to accept the Yuan for Oil The Simpsons slam Joe Rogan Vladimir Putin's secret family Congress giving themselves a double-digit raise Alien Contact/Black Files Declassified Mike Baker worked in the CIA for 17 years as a covert field operations officer, specializing in counterterrorism, counternarcotics, and counterinsurgency operations. He engaged in, organized, and supervised operations around the globe, working in Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Europe, the former Soviet Union, and elsewhere. To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail] Follow Mike on Twitter here: https://bit.ly/3ie7Apb Check out season 1 of Black Files Declassified: https://amzn.to/3thyMKk Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. Adam “Sos” Sosnick has lived a true rags to riches story. He hasn’t always been an authority on money. Connect with him on his weekly SOSCAST here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw4s_zB_R7I0VW88nOW4PJkyREjT7rJic --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

So episode number what is it 132 or 131? 135. 135. I am behind. We've got about four whole episodes. One four five. We got the one in the lead. We got to get a CIA guy.

15 year former CIA Mike Baker here with us. Mike, how you doing Mike? I'm doing well. Thanks very much. We did a Zoom interview during COVID, but we have done a face-to-face. That's great to have you here. And thank you.

And I got word you were here early five o'clock. Look'clock looking working on the wires so I don't know what you were working on until you know we're optimistic yeah it was not easy getting into your layer here by the way this is actually a bank vault it is a bank vault it is it is fully a bank vault and we are hoping to get some legit information out of you with all the mess that's going on the world we locked that door we're not letting you know to you tell us exactly what's going on Well, we're here for a long time It's our version of level one year security. Let me ask you this Don't let me ask you this like you know today. I'm driving. I'm like, okay. We've had a lot of former CIA guys on we had you know what he called it

Jack Parsky on a few days ago was a couple weeks ago, Jack Barsky KGB, we've had. Matt Zeller. Matt Zeller, we've had a lot of different people on. Me Kenley, we've had a few people on, right? Yeah. And I sit down, I'm thinking, I'm like, what is the policy on what you can share as a former CIA?

Because you know, the movie Argo. You know, the movie Argo, so. Yeah, sure, yeah, yeah. Oh, we can, you release these stories for 30 years and this whole thing, they use the movie from Canada to go in and take these people on. What a great thing that they did. What can't, like, are there stuff that you really,

that you went through that you can't ever talk about? Is that the code? Oh, sure. Yeah, I mean, look, you signed secrecy agreements and those secrecy agreements don't expire. Even if you retire or leave, I didn't retire. I wasn't old enough, but I'd been there for going on two decades.

And when it came time to leave as an example, and I left for fairly pedestrian reasons, I was raising a daughter. So I was single to add and needed to be home because as it turns out, that's one of those things that makes you a good parent if you're home with your young children. So I thought I gotta do something to stay home. So I talked to my folks in the operations directorate turns out that's one of those things that makes you a good parent if you're home with your young children.

So I thought I got to do something to stay home. So I talked to my folks in the operations directorate and they couldn't have been better to me. I said, well, look, I'm gonna leave. I guess I'm gonna try to start a business and, hey, they questioned that in terms of whether I had any skills that would transfer to business.

And, but they said, okay, fine. Let's make it so that you can leave in terms of whether I had any skills that transfered to business. But they said, okay, fine. Let's make it so that you can leave and at least say where you were, meaning at the agency, the outfit. That was a really generous thing for them to do. But the agreement is that I have a responsibility that I don't talk about sources and methods. I don't get into specifics. But it allowed me to come out and at least not say that I was an import export guy, you

know, for the past going on 20 years. And that helped then build a business as it turns out. And particularly where I am, I'm in the global intelligence and security industry, right? So there was a direct relationship to it. If I had come out and said, well, I was in business or I was in government somehow, it wouldn't have had much impact. So the agency was very good to me in that regard. And therefore, I'm very tight on what you can and can't say. Yeah. Makes sense. Now, is it a competitive thing between FBI and CIA or no? Like, is it like, we're better than you? We're better, there's more like we work together.

It's like a firefighter's first cop in the air. I play the baseball game. Yeah, it's not even competitive, because we're so much better. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, great. But there was, particularly pre-911, there was tension between the Bureau and the agency. And the Bureau started putting their people out in the field overseas to take on counterterrorism activity. And that's always been sort of the purview of my outfit. And so that created some tension. And just some confusion.

It's, what are you guys doing out here? What's your objective and why are you here and taking up our space? And so that created some liaison problems in terms of sharing of intelligence. And so you go in as an example, if you were operating somewhere and you were engaged in a counterterrorist operation and the bureau came in and they were doing some,

you know, activity and element. You always had this feeling like we weren't really being completely square with each other. So we weren't really sharing, you know, completely. Got it. And that was, is it like who solves the mystery and who solves? Is that kind of what it is? Yeah, you know, it was kind of, you know,

you're pissing on my turf, right? And so how about you not? It's territorial. It's territorial. It was, but now I will say this much. It is immensely improved. The liaison between the organizations is so much better now than it was again 15, 10 years ago.

Collaborative relationship. It's much better because in part 9, 11 forced that. You suddenly realized, look, there were gaps there that did, we probably could have avoided if we, but it's a human endeavor, right? It's always going to be an element of risk. You're never going to minimize it down to zero. Well, a question for you. So, you know, we had all our stone on last week. And so I went on a binge watching of all these JFK assassination documents.

I've already interviewed way too many people on that topic, but just something I'm curious about. How JFK wanted to get rid of the CIA. I'm sure you've read the story somewhere. Which one of these organizations can America do without? So I'll give you the list and you tell me. And I hope you're not going to be politically correct just to give a safe answer. You've got CIA, you've got FBI, you've got PD, you've got D.A., you've got the IRS, you've

got, which one of these guys can we go without and it would probably make America a better place? Can we put Congress on those? Yeah, I was going to say that. guys can we go without and it would probably make America a better place can we put congress on the list yeah i was going to say that we put uh... yeah you didn't pull a rick perry and forget the names that you were gonna ask hoops uh... we got to get rid of these three agencies i can only name to the uh... the department of uh... what uh...

education yeah you know what what what what the ones that you mentioned you know the cia the the you mentioned, the CIA, the Bureau, DEA, I would argue you can't get rid of any of those, right? There's a real reason why those exist. Now, you know, at times the bureaucracies get too big, you know, yeah, fine, but you know, it's like when people say we got to get rid of customs and border patrol or ice. Get rid of these.

It's a simplistic way of looking at it. And when it comes from a politician, they're just blowing smoke up. People's asked to score a point because it's popular to say it. So IRS, do we need it to enhance the size of the IRS? I don't think so. Our taxes a good thing if they're used properly, sure. Yeah, so, you know, I'm probably not the best person to talk about this, but definitely don't get rid of the CIA.

It is a fucked up world out there. And you need, I'll say, a political. You need an apolitical intelligence service, right? Is the CIA apolitical these days? Yeah, I mean, I would, again, it's, you knowpolitical intelligence service, right? Is the CIA political these days? Yeah, I mean, I would, again, it's, you know, it gets, it's had a beating about the same time that the Bureau has taken a beating, you know, and but my experience, that's all I can talk to,

I was in the operations side of things and I'd spent my whole time overseas. So, I never saw it as a political organization. I never had political conversations with any of the guys that I was working with. We'd sit in a safe house for three weeks waiting for some to pop. We didn't sit there talking politics. It just wasn't something you did.

And when I'd come back and walk the corridors in the main building, there were political discussions. So you never had that feeling that that's how that built. And you don't want that. I've seen countries where there's a change in government and they just shit can everybody bring in an entire new intel service that's politically bound to whatever administrations come in. That is a disaster that you definitely don't want. Tom, what do you think? What do you think out of those, you know, even put ice in there? So let's throw ice in there as well.

Which one of those do you think we can go without? Well, I've always thought, and I still think, that Department Homeland Security is there at, you know, airports in the border, and most, most air travel is across state lines. So why wouldn't Homeland Security be part of FBI? FBI covers across state lines. You know, law enforcement conflict in this nation has been sort of a staple, right? Where the local police are working on a case. Whoops, it's a lot of money across state lines.

FBI, excuse me, step back, that's ours, right? So this conflicts have happened. I've always thought that the border patrol and Homeland Security are redundant. Since Homeland Security was created after 9-11, I said, what does the Border Patrol do? And if it's borders and interest state things, why wouldn't the FBI have that? And why did we create these notions? So that's my thinking. I think there's redundancy in some of it.

But I agree that the FBI is an entity and the CIA and entity and, and the NSA is an entity, I would never screw with either one of those three. How about ATF? I mean, alcohol? Tobacco? I was just gonna ask that question. I'm just gonna ask that question. I'm a big fan of all of them.

I know it wasn't sure what the question was. But, well, yeah. In Texas, it's a call. I like alcohol, I like tobacco, I like marijuana. What? It's a question. Hang on, in Texas, ATF is a convenience store, not a federal bureau. I like alcohol. I like black. I like black. I like black. What? Hang on, in Texas, ATF is a convenience store, not a federal bureau.

There it is. It's a good point. Pat, you just, the interview you did, the debates, the great debates, you debated whether we need a war on drugs or whether we've won the war on drugs. Do you have a strong opinion of who won that argument or what your thoughts on ATF? I mean, ATF is a $1.4 billion budget, 5,082 employees, including 2,653 special agents, 760 industry operation investigators.

Okay, what are we doing? Alcohol, tobacco, firearms, like what are we, so for me, you know, anytime like in the world of business, when you go at the end of the year, you look at your expenses and budget. What do you look at? You look at it and you say, why are we spending money for this?

What are we doing with this? So rather than constantly adding, I think we're not spending enough time thinking about what we can take away and give that responsibility to one of these other departments that can probably do the job. We don't need to have another constantly come up with the different department.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not that. I agree. 100% what you said. But that's not the nature of government. Nature government is not, you know, as an animal is not to its shrink itself. And so once, once budgets get set, you know, trying to, it's like every every year in the agency towards the end of the calendar year, you'd get this note or somebody would say something from senior management about like, what do you guys need? What do you need?

Do you need more gear? Do you need more? And because we got to spend the money. Money's in the budget. If we don't spend it now, then our next budget might be smaller because they're going to look and go, well, you guys didn't need that. So we'll reallocate those resources. But I do agree, you know, the after 9-11, when they created Homeland Security, but more

important when they created the DNI, that was something probably could be looked at, right, to shrink that because I think they did put a lot of redundancy in there. It was just layers of bureaucracy to combine all the various members of the Intel community and law enforcement. And I think that's never really functioned the way that it should, plus also I'm not a big fan of having a DNI instead of having the CIA director with a seat at the table.

And that's what kind of what they did. They pushed the CIA director out, said, oh, the DNI is gonna be the guy. And that's a little too political for me. How could, by the way, Tyler Gohr, ask you a great question. Tyler, I was just going to say you're talking about the budget's always growing. It's not how bureaucracy works. The government is the single largest

employer in the country. How many, like, I love the libertarian perspective of small government. So how many of these organizations can we privatize? Can we privatize the FBI? We privatize the CIA? We privatize the, what have you? Like, does it have to be a government organization? Because you can make the claim that if we privatize. What have you? Does it have to be a government organization? Because you can make the claim that if you privatize one of these organizations, it will become biased or what have you, but you're seeing the same thing now with all the government organizations.

What would be the benefit to privatize? I'm asking as a capitalist, but I'm asking you what's the benefit of we privatize? Well, it seems to me that the private sector can run infinitely better, anything. Operation wise, you're saying you're going to be more efficient because you got money for the law. Correct. I think it could be better to the taxpayer. Let me ask you, how do you think media sells prints?

It's the Eric Prince. Is that the, he out of black, black, black, black. How do you think he's a portrayed as? I think a lot of people despise him. I mean, we have him coming on the podcast, I think in two weeks or three weeks right how is he he's sold as a what he's a war month yeah so so you know that's the part as well and then say the wrong guy and you know I don't know I don't know who's this guy this a badly locked you to nominate the new ATF head of after first one was pulled

AIDS say the president is committed filing filing the post in the US-American for David Chippman's nomination, failed to get needed support in the Senate. Do you know when ATF got started? Do you know when ATF got started? 1961. So 1961, ATF, so when 1961, ATF got started, was alcohol legal?

Yes. Okay, was tobacco legal? Of course. Okay, was a firearms legal? Yes. So what, like what is your job? Your job is... Who was the president?

Was that JFK at that point? 61? 61, I would say yeah, that's JFK. Yeah, I'm fogging on this, but remember one of the areas of nonviolent crime by organized crime was the old pink tax sticker that used to be on top of all the liquor bottles and they would print all these things in the Bahamas or in the Caribbean and these tax stickers were then put on on this and as I recall it was Treasury Department before ATF that actually presided over that with even Hoover saying, wait a minute, this is organized crime, what do you guys do in here?

Oh, because it's, do you think it's, do you think it's weird you got that information in your head? Do you think that's, that's an interesting, I'm, I'm fasting. Welcome to the world of the biz doc, Mike Baker. I'm fasting. It's a lot of information because that's a lot of information in your head and I'm very impressed. My head is, my brain is like New York City.

Oh, okay. Man. By the way, he just figured you out in 10 minutes. We call him the walk-in with Kapiti. This guy is always reading, getting information. But I thought that was a very real thing. It's like where the FBI was out there, hey, we're trying to bus bootleggers over here. What are you doing here? Well, these are tax stickers and this belongs to the American people. This little pink thing. And there were

actually nonviolent criminals that were out there printing on the tax side, but that weren't whacking each other like they were during prohibition. No, yeah, yeah. And all of a sudden, we now have an guest swap, ATF. We'll make a new division. We'll make a new department. But if I jump over to that question about privatizing certain things, look, we went in during the first, what do we call it, incursion into Iraq. I was out at that point, but we put a bunch of guys,

we put a bunch of guys into Iraq. At the behest of some clients that we're going to be doing infrastructure work out there in Iraq, they already knew it. So we have been doing some things for them elsewhere and they said, look, from a security perspective, can you help us out? And so we started putting people in there really at the same time or just slightly out of when the troops went into Iraq. And we're a private business, right? So we started building up an operation out there. And this is early days. This is before Blackwater became a household name.

And so we watched that sort of that private contract or private security industry build in Iraq over a few years. And it was a bit of a shit show because it's a private business. And so we saw people looking and going, I can make money doing that. So you had a large number of MOOCs with no experience thinking I'm gonna start a security company. MOOCs with no experience thinking,

I'm going to start a security company. And they were banging around Washington DC where we had an office. And we'd come back, I'd come back and say, oh, could you meet with these guys? They want to talk to you about lobbyists. Lobbious? Lobbious with this one? Well, these were guys that were pseudo lobbyists.

Or they were just guys are hanging around Washington and thinking, I'll bet I could get a contract somewhere. And this is a good business. So you started getting all these companies showing up. And I remember talking to some of these companies, whether they were British or American or whatever, and look, you don't have an endless supply of trained people with sufficient experience to operate in a hostile environment like that, whether it's providing security or gathering intelligence or whatever.

So that bar kept lowering. And I'd talk to somebody and they'd say, yeah, I was SPS out of the British teams. And you think, no, you're not, because we've got the former commander working with us and he's never heard of you. And this would happen time and time again. So eventually people were hiring, just people with no experience, no business being out there. And that's when shit started to happen.

And so then what happened when that, kerfuffle started was that the government got involved and said, look, we've got to regulate this. We've got to come up. And so there was this effort with the private businesses. Now starting to see what are businesses being threatened because now the government's looking at it. Maybe the government's going to step in and start regulating this. So we started meeting as private contracting companies saying,

we've got a form and association here, set some standards. You're doing that because you're trying to protect your business. You're not necessarily doing it because none of these guys really cared about that, but they were doing it so they wouldn't lose their contracts. So some of the government, I guess my point being, government involvement in there was actually an important part of it, right? Because it helped the regulation.

The regulation, the, you know, setting some standards, getting some of the idiots out of it. So I, you know, again, I'm conflicting because I can see both sides. So after they came in and you guys set the standards, how did it work out in comparison? You know what, it worked out better because it was more policing of protocols,

of hiring, of requirements. There was more, you know, so at, I don't know. It's, it was one of those things. I just wanted to raise the point. I'm, you know, I don't want to disappear down that rabbit hole. But did the companies like that? like if I'm Halle Burton, and I find out that my security team was maybe substandard, not as good as they pitched me

in the PowerPoint deck, and I'm hiring them to protect, basically, US civilians who have agreed to go into a hostile theater and work on an electric power grid project, right? So now I'm a little bit concerned by that. And this kind of, didn't that help the companies? weren't they appreciative that now they have some sort of reliance and standards?

That my civilians that are over there working on a dam, it was a lot of infrastructure. Yeah, that's a good point. And they did appreciate it. And it was beneficial to them. You would like to have thought that they would have been, look, the companies we worked with, they were very clear about, we expect, you know, the following in terms of standards and, you know, it, but I guess, you know, my point

being is that if you leave it up to private business, it may not, there's always that statement, private business was how to run things, right? They're going to be more efficient than government. Yeah, you know, but you you there is a place for government at times. Or because the other way, right? Because Wacken Hut has actually hired, remember Wacken Hut hired to do the private prisons in the US, and they've actually hired their own lobbyists because they like tougher criminal laws because it makes an influx of prisoners that need a place to sleep. Which means you build another prison. Yeah, so so private business to benefit from wars, that concerns me because you're, you know, you know, that concerns me. Part of me is kind of like, well, it's the military industry. Totally.

Exactly. But, you know, now somebody, Bob, can you increase Tyler's audio as well, like 10 percent, you know, but for me, so then the other side of it, if I'm being a devil's advocate to myself is, it's going to happen anyways because of Gandhi inside that's on the government, hey, you do this, I'm going to give you this, hey, lobbyists coming in. I think the problem here, if that to work out, is if you eliminated lobbyists, a lot of things would be more honest and transparent, because these guys that are making 10, 20 million here, a lobbyist is making, it's one of the highest paying jobs in America by the way, being a lobbyist pays very well. By the way, just million a year. Alabias is making, it's one of the highest-paying jobs in America by the way, being alabias.

Pays very well. By the way, just out of curiosity. You know, these conspiracies you read about, okay? And, you know, I don't know if you were into conspiracies or not, a lot of people are as a C.I.H. and I'm sure you're not, but, you know, some of these conspiracies like, who are some of the names that are dropped, at world leaders that were

You know working for the CIA because you know in the mob you'll read this boss was working closely with FBI And nobody knew about it for 15 years. He was this and he was dropping all the inform and I'm not even talking about like a Joe Pistone, you know who was actually working 40 FBI that went in for five years and 10 months I'm talking about like actual world leaders. That was Donnie Brasco, wasn't it? Yeah, I'm not talking Donnie Brasco. I'm talking about guys that were world leaders who some say the CIA had them in their pockets and they were giving them information.

Who were some of the names? You know what? Well, Vladimir Putin. He'd be one of them. No, I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. Now everybody's trying to open it at the table. Yeah, he's, he's secretly going to destroy my business. That was good.

That was really good. Mike's got a little bit of acting in it. Oh, comedy. Yeah. You know, it's, there's been, that's a really good question, because in terms of world leaders, normally the question is like, you know, where there's celebrities, where there, you know,

people that had worked because they were in the public eye, but they could travel everywhere and had access. You know, from a world leader perspective, that's not really, that's not a target. When you're talking about a collection target, if you're looking to recruit access to a country, your first landing spot is not the leader, right? I mean, maybe there's relationships that exist

as that person was coming up through the ranks or whatever and eventually became a leader and so you're gonna wanna know what that's all about you wanna know whether you've got anybody who went to school with them or did whatever and that could provide you with some insight. But really, you're looking for people who have actionable intelligence at sort of a granular

level. So I would rather have, rather than the world leader, sure it'd be nice to have them in the pocket. But you want the guy who's running a desk for a priority target in some other Intel service overseas, right? I mean, that's what you're looking to do. You're looking for the deputy assistant foreign minister who's got terrific access, but it's right there in decision-making, you know, points. That's the sort of thing. Or, you know what, you want the housekeeper, you know, for the, for the world leader.

One proxy, but you don't want the number one is what you're saying. Yeah. How do you recruit? What's the method of recruiting folks like that? You know, it's, it's usually not ideology, right? It's usually a little bit more base than that. So you're talking possibly money. Maybe you're talking about you bump across some guy that's working and your indications are maybe their GRU, for instance, or their FSB or whatever you think. That'd be a good target. Maybe you find out they got a couple of young kids,

and that's their, I don't want to say they're weakling, but that's really what drives them, you know? And a lot of times that's what it is. Maybe they're kids sick, maybe they need some medical attention, right, or some assistance. And that's simple. It can be that simple. It could be that oftentimes, not often,

but another scenario is that they're just not getting enough hugs from their home service, right? Or from wherever they're not feeling the love. And I feel in the love, they feel like the disrespect, nobody's listening to me, I'm too smart for this place. And so now suddenly you're providing an outlet for them. And now they feel important because now they're getting that information to somebody, right? And it sounds odd, right? It sounds like who's going to, like, it's gonna betray their country and their family and their government, but that sometimes can be a very powerful thing. And that's unfortunately in the counterintelligence world

when we talk about people like Hanson, Jim Nicholson or some of these guys, Ed Lee Howard, that's pretty much what it was. They just didn't feel like they were respected. They were too smart for their own place. When the CIA sets their sights on somebody and says, we want to get this target, I assume that's how it works. Like this is the person we want.

It's driven by, it's driven by taskings. So it's driven by like, okay, we need to know exactly to agree we can what the Chinese military is spending their money on in the next two years, or three years. They dumping all their money into hypersonic, so whatever. So yeah, it'd be nice to get somebody in the PL two years or three years. They dump all their money into hypersonic, so whatever. Yeah, it'd be nice to get somebody in the PLA or whatever.

So it's driven by the tasking. And then you start looking at who's got access to that information and who may be minded to talk to you. Who could you actually access? Who could you get to? So there's a process that you go through. And to be fair, most Intel services go through the same process because it's a human thing.

And when they get this target or this mission, how hard is it for that person to say no? Meaning, how much do you squeeze this person to say, I'm not saying you have to do it. I mean, I gotta imagine if you set your sights on somebody and that's your target, you're not gonna take no for an answer. No, no, it's, I see what you're saying, but it doesn't work that way because you never want to coerce somebody into this, right? You don't want to, because that's a bad route. It's like with blackmail.

People always think, ah, you're going to hook them because they've compromised themselves. Well, maybe, and this is somewhat nuanced. If someone compromised themselves, they'd go out there and they do something that they, as they say, they're an Intel officer for some foreign country that's a target for us. If they compromise themselves, they do something they shouldn't have done, you're not necessarily using that, right, as, as the hook. What you're doing is you're saying, okay,

there's a weakness there, right? There's a, they, they, that's, that's the weakness. Now we're gonna build around that, right? Because, you know, hookin' somebody up by blackmail or... Or strong arming them, you're saying it doesn't work then. It just doesn't work. Their heart needs to be in it, essentially. Well, they need to feel that they're doing the right thing, right?

And they're doing it for the right reason, even if they're complete, you know, assholes. And, you know, it's just, why'd you look at Tom when you said that? He doesn't appreciate that. There we go. Even if they're complete asshole. So, yeah.

I mean, there you go. So there's some more opposite of that. Yeah, that's fine. By the way, so a question about, you know, the most shocking declassified secrets in US history, right? You got this, where, you know, going into files and pulling out the top juiciest most interesting government secrets, all of them have been declassified. Meaning governments in question have released documents confirming the truth.

FYI, folks, season two of Black Files declassified. Aering, is it Wednesday, 9 p.m. East Standard Time on Science Channel and Discovery plus with Mike Baker? You can find season one of Black Files declassified classified is available on Amazon Prime I believe a link is in the description of the podcast we put it below for some of you guys and then maybe at the end we'll show preview of that so you'll be on the first to see it. Yeah so here's here's 10 of them we have okay the US relationship with Chomeini okay declassified records I've revealed that Ayatollah Rolo Chomeini a cleric who would

later emerge as the driving force in Islamic fundamentalism, was much closer to the American government than previously thought. Chomaniah has sought to negotiate with the Kennedy and Carter administration in order to ease his takeover of Iran. Despite his public anti-American rhetoric going as far as Colin America, the great Satan, I was there for 10 years when he was ruling six weeks after he died. We left Iran and we went to Germany at a refugee camp. So I watch everything that they were talking about until I was old enough to remember some

of this stuff. And the great Satan, I mean, forget about that. They used to say death upon America, look outside the window and I'd see 10,000 man march flagellating their backs. This is not just like in movies, this is stuff that you actually saw as a kid. So how much credibility is there? If Chomene was with the CIA, I mean, what do you know about this story?

Yeah, he wasn't with the CIA, but there were efforts to try to, because part of what you're there were doing is trying to assess who the hell he is. And what his chances are of taking over what his plans and intentions would be. So there was contact, right? So you end up getting contact reports written constantly.

By the way, I had a chance to talk to him or somebody meets with him, maybe from state department. And then you sit down and you talk with that person, you say, okay, what do you guys talk about? What the hell's going on? And so you build up a file. The file doesn't mean that the person's working for the government.

I mean, you go down to the archives and basements of the agency. And sorry, it sounds like we've got a like a basement. I'd like to go to the basement of the agency. So vote. Yeah, it's a fall. It's much like this. Not bad.

I can't get it. I can't get it. And so you, you know, there's just file after file Yeah, now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thinking is we gotta, you know, we gotta understand them. We gotta know what the world looks like around him. Maybe we can identify somebody who's in his orbit that we could recruit. So there's a lot of reasons why you would do this. But, you know, it's very common. Now Pat, this is literally your life based on your childhood.

Would the CIA have motivation to want to get the Shah out of it? Of course. Of course. Explain that. Can you go pull up this story on the Guardian? Just Google, Chomene, it's very easy name to spell. Chomene, K-H-O. That's a black title. Look that if Tyler...

The job depends on the Chomene. That's probably a black title. So that's an Irish-Scipe-O-O. So it starts with a K. A. How many? There you go. That one right there.

So make that bigger. US had extensive contact with Ayatollah. That's a guardian story, by the way. So with Ayatollah, Khomeini, before he on revolution, documents seen by your BBC suggests Carter administration paved the way for Khomeini to return to Iran by holding the army back from launching a military coup.

Go, OK, Paris, everyone. Go, okay, previously everyone, I'm going to be literally on the other side of the cover. Ex-Sanvia, he was in Paris for like 12 to 15 years. The BBC reporting suggests that the Carter Ministersion took key to have come in these pledges and an effect paid the way for his return to Iran. The BBC Persian service obtained a draft message Washington had prepared as a response to Chomanian.

Welcome the the Itolla the corporation. Also published a previously released but unnoticed declassified 1980 CIA analysis titled Islam in Iran which shows Chomene's initial attempts to reach US to the reach out to the US data back to 1963 16 years before the revolution the BBC revolution had created a Reports have created a huge role in Iran. If true, they would undermine the myth that Khomeini staunchly resisted any direct links with the U.S. which remained taboo for three decades until the recent nuclear negotiations. Go down to look at the note. Go down to look at the note here.

Let me read above what it says about it. Okay, you're right there. Other Iranian politicians have also questioned the BBC's revelations, including Ibrahim Yazdi, Khomeini spokesman and advisor of the time the revolution Said Hajaryan, a former reformist, uh, uh, uh, figure. In November 1963, Khomeini, uh, uh, sent a message to the United States government through Haj Mirza Khalil, Kamari, a professor of the technological faculty of Tehran University and in Iranian politician

Close to opposition his religious groups, Communists explained that he was not opposed to American interests in Iran Interesting on the contrary he thought the American presence was necessary as a counterbalance to Soviet and possibly British influence Chomini also explained his belief in the close cooperation between Islam and other world religions, particularly Christian. By the way, so he asked the question, what the motivation would be? There's a documentary that they did on the Shah. Fantastic documentary, that it's about oil. So they had a 25 year contract, Iran did, that was coming up in 1979. This was signed in 1954, matter of fact, if you look it up,

and you type in 1954, Royal Iran, to me favorite, can you type in 1954, Royal Iran? You'll see it, it's called the Consortium Agreement of 1954. That was expiring by 1979. And this was with US, okay, that was expiring by 1979, okay, and this was with US, British, I think it's Germans, French, and these guys had a meeting in 76, 77. These four world leaders had a meeting I think in South or Central America to talk about what we need to do to get rid of the

Shah because by 1979, when the 25 years came up He was gonna renegotiate the contract increase the comp and make more money and they said this is not good for us We got to get rid of this guy because he's becoming too strong and obviously you're saying specifically an oil play. Oh Listen if I'm if I'm everything is speculation. You have to know this is you know Not nothing we know especially what's going on right now with Ukraine Russia We have no clue 100% what everything is going on But my speculation based on what I've researched 80% of it was caused because they did not want one man To have as much power as he had anything to get rid of them is what they need it and then that's what I guess my

Co-ed the communists I may be wrong. So what was the date of the commandy contact pack? What was it 63 November of 63? Yeah, yeah, you know what that letter started with dear Lyndon. Congratulations on the new job. Sorry to hear about your boss. I understand you feel different about world political affairs. Wow. Yeah, right after November. Well, we don't know because we need to know if that is what the data's on that, but you're right. I would love to know when that date is because it's 22nd.

There's that in Cycleopedia and is that? But there's also, I mean, you know, part of this is also the development of the individual, right? So you look at 63, then you look down the road, you look at the mid-70s, how, how many changed, you know, and how he was developing his belief system. And also, you're just looking at in terms of, you know, how to control and how to maintain power. And what's that going to look like? So, you know, you see these, and I guess I go back to the same thing,

you would see, you know, this with other, whether it's Castro or anyone else, that's part of what the CIA is doing, right? They're assessing, they're understanding that they're looking at potential lines of communication, they're looking, but I do think it's fascinating the oil play because I mean, you know, you look at the history of Britain, of the UK and Iran, and the whole thing is based on oil

Pat let me ask you before we move on yeah is it fair to say they got this wrong meaning whatever hand they had in this Didn't work out well for the world or Iran but depends on who you ask if you asked the industry military complex No, there was a war that made a lot of money with Iraq if you ask how about not them the rest of the world Yeah, because this led to them release in 3000 political prisoners that the Shahat and a part of it was the start of you know Osama bin Laden and ISIS and all that other stuff so he had those guys he the Shah was concerned about a couple different parties. The extremists, the, you know, his well laws, the ISIS. And then the other side, he was very paranoid about.

It was today, the two-day party. The two-day party was the AOC, the Communist Party, is what it was. Like, think about... Far left and far right. So most of that was like a socialist Bernie Sanders. So he was worried about the communists, and he was worried about the communist and he was worried

about the ISIS. So when this happened, they released 9-11 in directly as a byproduct of having them being released while the Shahzl, because you know how people always bash Savak. You know, Savak. Savak, horrible people, okay? KGB. Once a KGB forever, KGB. Well, what the hell is CIA? Yeah, what is CIA? Yeah, Mike. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying is but but the way we see KGB and Savak is the way Iran and Russia sees CIA and MI6. Right. Yeah, but the way we say MI6 six and CIA we kind of said oh it's nice people to see I Am I so meaning there is Patriots and by the by the way I mean you know I'm maybe born in Iran But I made you know I'm made in Iran but I'm you know born in Iran made in America I am I'm about America but at the same time you know you have to keep a mind that you know

Everybody's buying it to some kind of propaganda so somebody somebody say right now, hey, who gives a shit about the story? I don't care about Iran. I don't care about Komeni. I don't care about the stuff. What does this have to do with today? Here's the point. I don't want to wait 60 years, 59 years, whatever it is. I don't want to wait, even from 1980.

I don't want to wait 41 years to find out what the hell is going on with Ukraine and Russia. Or we can't. I want to know what's the cause of COVID. I want to know what's going on with Ukraine and Russia. I want to know what the hell this Fauci guy was all about. I want to know why he kept saying the same shit all over again. I want to know what is going on today. So to the average person, Shah Manee irrelevant, but a price was paid worldwide for a bad decision and everybody directly or indirectly, whether you know it or not, you were affected by it.

You know, Mike, you brought up something and when I get to Pat's question right there, so you talked about the development of Chameenie. So obviously the agency and without going into details, you can't. You're tracking the intellectual change, the evolution of thought and the evolution of aggression. I mean, you got people like Manuel Noriaigah on the perfect little pond to the pain in the ass. And when he became a pain in the ass, we went down there and stuck him on the floor to prison.

Yeah. And so you see that, there's a lot to talk today in the Ukraine that said that people looking at Putin, and these are people that are on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, everywhere. And they're saying, it really looks in the last five years there's been a change in him and he's a little off rails. Are you seeing that?

No, I don't think he's, I mean, I've heard that. Or maybe there's been a lot of assessment in the whole. Yeah, look, but Putin's a good example of this. And it's what we're talking about is, yeah, the big question right now is the intel point here that everyone's trying to collect on is what's his plans and intentions,

right? So that's saying we're going to get inside this guy's head. What do you have to do to do that? There's a shitton of assessment that goes on. You're looking for, again, points of access. You're looking for recruitment of targets that might be able to tell you what the hell's going on with Putin. The honest guy's truth is nobody really knows except for Putin at this point. It's a heavy lift to collect on that target. I'm not surprised by this. I think the idea that there was contact between Homeni and the U.S. government, to me, makes perfect sense because that's what you see that in

other locations, countries throughout history as well. They're looking to build up their power base. They're looking for a line of communication. And yeah, the agency or any intel service is out there trying to understand what the hell is going on because that's what they're told to do. But, I forgot my land in the train. You know, I'll tell you what the solution is. I'll tell you all my senses. Anyway, but you know what I will say. Here's what I will say. I trust my enemies

more than my allies. Let me say why? I trust my enemies more than my allies because every morning my enemies wake up at least. They're honest. They want to do whatever they can to put me out of business. My allies are on necessarily fully know their incentives and their motives. I 100% know the incentive, the motives of my enemy. I know the enemy wants to do whatever they can to have an uprage over me. I'm naive if I don't believe that, okay. But with your allies, you don't necessarily know what is their next 10 moves. Maybe you're move number three, but you're dispensed, you know, you're,

what's the word, dispensed, you can be. Dispensed, you're dispensed, so it's possible in move number eight. And you're like, oh, he's acting like an ally, but what is really his motive being an ally? Where's the enemy's like, look, I wanna kill you. It's that simple. I wanna put you out of business.

I trust that Russians' motives are more honest than anybody else's that's sitting there saying, oh my gosh, Iran defending Ukraine. Yeah, yeah, I don't trust what the hell Iran is doing, saying stuff about Ukraine. I don't trust that. I trust the fact that Putin's saying that's our land. We're going to take it. Here's what's our land. We're gonna take it. Here's what we're doing. Not in a positive trust.

It's a trust of a very honest trusted enemy. So for me, when I'm sitting here thinking about this... He knows playbook. You know it's playbook. You don't like the playbook, but you know the playbook. Yeah, I know fully this is a true believer we're dealing with that knows what he wants and is going after. Well, he's been very consistent.

So to answer your question, people thinking, is he going off the rails? Well, no, he's consistent in his moves, whether it's, you know, what he didn't cry me or what he didn't check, Neow, what he didn't, you know, didn't upcasio, what he didn't sell. I mean, it's the same thing that he's been doing. And he's been very clear to your point.

He's been very honest about, you know, the fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest tragedy of the 20th century and he believes that and he said it repeatedly and his intent has always been to recreate a sphere of influence. So he is being very honest about this. So I think when people say, oh, like I have to understand what he's doing, what he does. I shouldn't be saying that. Because I fully agree with what he views as Mother Russia. I fully agree with what you're saying is that you 100% trust your enemy

You know exactly what their motivation is. Yeah, whereas your allies you might not be sure what is down the line Like I think of the movies like even in Batman or the dark night or even in like the movies like the town You're robbing a bank together Joker is exactly what as soon as you get well He knows that the cops or the bad man is going to come after him and that's his enemy. But as soon as they get the money, boom, he kills a couple of his guys, boom, he keeps all the money.

So the next question here is, we know Putin's the enemy, right? I mean, that's fair to say. But the next question is, our ally here is this guy Zelensky. What do we truly know about him? What is he really our ally? What does he want from the world? That's, I think, the big question here. Yeah, there's degrees.

I said, there's degrees of good and bad, right? I mean, it's like, the agency, what you want thing you learn very quickly is it's nothing's black and white, and yet, you know, the world wants to frame everything that way, right? So now, the social media story is, oh my God, you know, the Ukraine. Well, look, Ukraine had a everything that way, right? So now the social media story is, oh my God, you know, the Ukraine. Well, look, Ukraine had a lot of problems, right?

Corruption being, you know, up the top of the list. So, and there's a very difficult history there in Ukraine. And so, we just have to be aware that it doesn't change the fact that Putin's an asshole and they're dead, I look over Tom again. And, and, it's officially real. It's so official. Yeah, you have a CIA guy. I think you're not told Tom.

That's just what the file tells me. And so I think, I'm sorry. Thank you very much. See you next week. Tom Ellsworth goes missing. It hasn't seen for 16 to 90 days. But the, you know, I guess the point being is that with Zelensky, yeah, you just have to be pragmatic about all this. And the one thing I do worry about is, is how simple everything gets framed, right? And how quickly the news story, you know, becomes this three minute bite of everything.

And yeah, if you look at what we're doing right now, in terms of, I mean, to bring Iran back into it. If you look at the negotiations indirect that we're having with Iran and utilizing Russia now, right, to, in part, to try to, you know, develop an alternative supply line for oil. And in part, and this is where I'm very cynical,

it's because, you know, the current administration here in the US realizes we can't suffer these, like in gas prices for very long because the midterm elections are coming up. And so we got to do something. So for political reasons, maybe I'm being cynical, you know, they're pushing forward on this negotiation because they damn it, we got to get these sanctions off so we can let the Iranian oil flow so we can keep prices down so we don't get our assets kicked in the election. So, okay, so, so now here's what Oliver Stone said the other day when the conversation came about what's going on with that. I want to get your reaction on this. See if you could put them on like, you're going to do 2.0, don't do that. Put 1.5. Yeah.

Is this about what he said with the proxy Is this is this that clip title? Okay, go ahead play this clip I think the CIA plays another role there because CIA has been involved with Ukrainian Nazis since World War two We got a lot of them out to our country on the rat lines and we came back after World War two and 48 There was a term an operation by the CIA to drop these people into Ukraine to make trouble to start troubles for uh... russia it's an old story is not new you know this is not a lot of people know that well they it's a fact in fact the guy i would work with on fair case lecture proud he was a

kernel who was in the world to and air force and he was one of those guys who supplies these these uh... infiltrator infiltrators to the Ukraine with weapons and with flights and you have to drop them and so forth and so on it's a lot of hardware all these guys were picked up by the the way. That's what's amazing. It's like with Castro.

Whenever we go up against Castro, he seems to find out the people we send in. See, it's an interesting side effect. But the Russians picked up the Russian Ukraine, picked up these people. But we try to do this. Is this where he talks about? Is this where he talks about? Is this where he talks about? Is this where he talks about?

No, is this where he talks about? The part I want you to get is when he talks about this is just a proxy or between US is just using Ukraine. Is this the clip or no? You sure? Positive? Play for 20 more seconds. Let's see, because so far we've been waiting. So now if we watch TV today and we turn it on, you're seeing Zelensky that is standing

and he's looking very strong and tough and he's not reacting and the news is telling us that Russia's lost 5 to 6,000 soldiers in the last few weeks, which is more than what we lost in Iraq. And the two, four ministers had a conversation together two, three days ago. It was an hour and a half conversation in Turkey. Nothing, no advancements are really made. How different is Ukraine's story today versus when you did the documentary? How much has changed?

Because the lens is not in your documentary when you did it, right? So is it night and day different story today? Are they making more progress? No, it's not me who did it. The director was Igor or lapatonic who was Ukrainian Russian Ukrainian and he did it I was an interviewer and a pretty one of the producers so these two films Ukraine on fire and the other one is called Ukraine revealed revealed goes into the present time when we

get there it's a very interesting documentary about the opposition candidate Vika Medvedek Medvedek Viktor Medvedchuk revealing Ukraine that's it Robert Perry was one of the great journalists in our country. It was the most out of our history. I'm down. Dude, I'm telling you, there's a clip that it starts. This guy's like, we're watching the entire episode with our friend here. Just go to Twitter. Go to my Twitter account. Let's show it from this angle. Tyler just wanted us to see that for whatever reason. I was given this by John. Oh, okay. So go to media.

Bus media right there. Okay, click on the media side. Good. Okay, go up a little bit. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Keep going, keep going, keep going. Okay, what does that say? That's it.

No, not John, I've Canada, keep going. Keep going. It's another clip by him. Okay, click on that one. Open it up. That's the truth. The United States has using Ukraine as a proxy to put pressure. They don't, you know, I just doesn't care about Ukraine.

They care about Russia. This is a chance to destabilize Russia. We move the leader, regime change once again on a big way. There's a big victory for them if they can pull it off. And this was always the gold from the beginning. I don't think there's any concern about the Ukrainian people except there's a sentimental thing in the newspapers. Well, this person was killed, that person was killed.

But what about the people who were killed on the other side? They never mentioned them for five, six years. No more than eight years. Those people were killed too. Families were killed. You know, it's crazy what you're saying. It's crazy what you're saying. For me, where that goes to is,

okay, Carter used, you know, a homani to destabilize Iran and Shafel 79. It so happens to be the 25 year expiration of oil exactly in 1979 what are they worried about trying to get rid of this guy do you agree with Oliver Stonehouse could there be any truth to what he's saying with them trying to get rid of Putin well look hey that'd be a happy circumstance that's the case I don't think that was the that's not I wouldn't draw direct line like Oliver Stone was the, that's not, I wouldn't draw a direct line

like Oliver Stone is doing, but that's kind of his thing. So, but look, is it a proxy war? Well, yeah, of course it's a proxy war. It's the same thing as, you know, fighting in the Congo or years ago. I mean, there's no, I don't think there's any doubt about that, right?

I mean, we're dumping weapons into Ukraine, you know, helping the people out. It's against Russia, it's against Putin. Putin doesn't have our best interest at heart. So yeah, this is a bizarre, surreal replay of the Cold War that we're marching ourselves into. But no, I'm not drawing a direct line saying, you know, at some point we thought,

you know what we could do? If we could just foment unrest and get Putin so fired up that he moves in in a big way, I'll bet we could fuck him over and get it. No, I'm not, I'm not buying that. And I think that's where he's going. I mean, he's really not going there. No, I'm not going there, but I'm not, I'm also saying that, yeah, are we backing a country, Ukraine that's had all sorts of history that we just need to be aware of?

But is that a better option than standing by and watching Putin roll through and decide he's going to rebuild the Soviet Union? Yeah, I'm on that side. Nobody wants to get in the old thing that everybody's been saying, I don't want to get into shooting war with Russia. Well, no shit, right? But, you know, I have no problem saying, yeah, it's a proxy war at this stage

and we're dangerously close to entering a new version of the Cold War. But, yeah, I'm not a conspiracy guy to go back to the original thing. I had most things I've found over the years, and again, it's just based on everyone has a dark based on their own experience. It's a little bit simpler than a conspiracy theory would have you believe. But you know, I have a heart-tumb belief in that.

I have a heart-tumb belief in them. I have a heart-tumb belief in them. Now, and not in a, I have a heart-tumb belief in that because I see it on the simplest terms on what happens with family, motives of family members that seems motive of companies, corporations, you work with people and you look at the motive and you realize the motive you thought was this and the motive was that, I have a hard time seeing there's not gamesmanship taking place here. I just don't. Now, do I think the whole thing was started to get rid of

this guy versus the world is seen as an opportunity here to get rid of him? Maybe. But why is the question? Because you replace him, who replaces him, who replace the shock, how many replace the shock? Anyways, that's cool. And once you do that, yeah, you're right. I mean, it always opens up a problem. But look, no, Putin, again, I go back to the same thing. He's been very clear about what he wants to do.

And his incursion into the Eastern part of Ukraine years ago, what we're facing right now, this full-on invasion, is just another step in his process, right? It's not, he hasn't gone off the rails, he hasn't changed, this is just what he plans to do. So you'd have to go all the way back, you'd have to say, okay, let's go back well before even 2014. Let's, if we're gonna go down that and say, we're doing this on purpose, right?

Somehow this was a conspiracy where we're going to overthrow Putin. You got to go back a lot further than just what's happening right now to say, this is all orchestrated. I'm telling you here, the government oftentimes, they're not organized enough to put together panic and to doom some marine. It's just not going to happen. So sometimes we give the government a lot of credit. And I'm not saying that things haven't happened that we're wrong and you look at MK Ultras

on the list. That's a good example of something that goes way off the rails. But here's a human nature. And I may be wrong. And guys challenge me as much as you want. And say you're absolutely wrong here. I think everybody in this room and everybody we mostly meet has selfish desires. Okay. You're here. You'd like to promote the show because that's what you're supposed to do, right? We're here sharing our opinions, creating content. If the audience, they like it, they support us. We appreciate it without them.

We don't have a business model. There's not a podcast. So, but if we also don't keep staying entertaining, then the market's going to say, hey, listen, you guys are not really good podcast stuff. Get out of here, do whatever else you want to do on selling shows and maybe go sell some gym memberships, right? Okay, so so Adam has a motivation Adam is wanted to build his brand, okay?

So he wants to also get eyeballs because he's wants to grow his podcast which has been crushing it lately If you think I'm here to promote the sauce cast since it goes live every Thursday at 4 p.m So we have amazing guests and beautiful women and great controversy. You're dead wrong, Pat. I would not promote the sauce cast on this channel. I apologize. This is about the P.B.D. podcast, not the sauce cast. You know what?

And again, it's Thursday at 4 p.m. Go live. I would never do that. So you know what my, forgive me for doing that. My apologies. But here's where I'm at. But here's where I'm at. The, the, where it goes to me as the following I think almost everybody is

50 plus percent is them 50 plus percent is your motivation for what your desires are what your needs are right Some people are 60% them 40% others some people are 70% some people are 80% you get the idea Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah get to the 80% mark or higher Now it's more about you people eventually are like you know what dude. You're one man show Nobody can do anything with you. It's all about you. You're not a team person. You're one man show, right? Politicians and statesmen those are two different things Politicians want to get reelected

Politicians want to get reelected. Politicians owe favors to people that funded there campaign that you and I don't know about. Politicians owe favors to other people that said, if I get you elected, that, that, that. So for me to sit here and think and say, you guys give the politicians way too much credit, I don't give the politicians a lot of credit. I give the people that did favors for them a lot of credit to come and collect their debt. That's who I give a lot of credit because those guys are not dummies. I guarantee you lobbies are not dummies. I guarantee these money people are not dummies. Last time we had a dinner at a restaurant we've never

been to, called Casa de Angelo for the first time. We're there like three times a week. So, actually, I've been there two nights and we're going again by the way, just so you know, we're taking a bunch of people. But what Casa de Angel in the angel, and we're having dinner with this one private equity guy, right? It runs a multi-multi-billion dollar fund. This very well, the whole team showed up.

We had a great dinner together conversation about, you know, what's going on in media, what's going on in business. Oh, anyways, a great conversation that we had with them. But I'm sitting across from the main guy and I'm talking to him. What's his motive to make returns? What is he, but the part that made it very impressive

versus a guy that I met with last week who crossed his arms and we offered to have dinner with them. And he said, I don't wanna have dinner. I just wanna meet you in the office. Where this guy yesterday flies in is worth more than the other guy This guy flies and comes to my house then we go to dinner spends five hours with us And he says to me at the end of the meeting

Would you want if I take a walk with your wife? And I said no problem. We went over there. I took my baby They walked 20 30 minutes. They talked and then he says I just don't know a lot about you I'm so glad I had a chance to talk to your wife So I know he still number one concern is returning money for his investors And then he says, I just don't know a lot about you. I'm so glad I had a chance to talk to your wife. So I know he's still number one concern that's returning money for his investors. But the fact that he wants to know more

about the DNA of the individual, he's to me a 70-30 guy. Not a nine, the other guy was a 90-10 guy. So you're right, I don't think these politicians are, you know, but I do think the people behind closed those are gonna collect their debt. I think that's where I'm at. Yeah, so yeah, I'd say what you're saying. I don't disagree with that.

I'm just saying that sometimes the nature of government is that they can't, you know, I wouldn't give sometimes, and when I say government, I'm not really talking about politicians, I suppose, but I wouldn't give them as much credit as sometimes, you know, something like Oliver Stone, my worry, says this is a massive machination.

Sometimes they fall into shit, right? They fall into things and then they think, this is a happy circumstance. Let's do this, right? I mean, but, yeah, I know, I agree. I think what you're talking about in part is, I mean, I see it on a very, you know, personal level where you see it at family, right?

You know, do you have kids that are empathetic, right? And, you know, to what degree are they, do they have EQ or whatever they call it? And so, you know, I got three boys, and the oldest one, Scooter, is very empathetic, right? The middle kid didn't give a shit what you think. Yeah, yeah. And so he's like, he's a completely different cat, right?

And the youngest one is just kind of a happy, go lucky kid, but, you know, Sluggo, he's like, you know, I'm gonna tell you what I think. And I don't care what you think about that, right? And so it's an interesting, and so I look at it and you're right, people, that's the way people work. I do agree 100%. I've seen the lobbying industry very close up

in Washington, T.C. And yeah, there's expectations, right? There's, and part of it is how the systems, you know, built now, if you can, If you can send somebody to Congress or in the Senate and they're there for 36, 42 years, that's from a lobbyist perspective, that's an investment to be made, right? I'm going to invest in that person. So part of this, and maybe I think about it too simplistically, you know, get rid of, you know, put in term limits, and then suddenly it's a little bit tougher to say, this is where I'm investing my money,

meaning this particular politician who's gonna end up as a head of the ways and means committee, whatever. So now if you've only got two terms, then you gotta get the hell out of there and go back and do a job. You know, maybe as a lobbyist, I now gotta rethink my business, right? Maybe I'm not gonna get those hooks in there

to the possible. If we were to make a list of the top 10 enemies in America that are hurting America the most, I'm gonna put lobbies in the top 10 enemies in America that are hurting America the most I you know I'm gonna put lobbies in the top 10 list is where I would put them I don't know where they rank as if they're gonna be they're probably not in the top five But they're in the top 10 list lobbies are hurting a lot of things and they are great Great dead collectors

Another question. Another question is the following in regards to Nixon You know the whole story about the CIA tried to kill Nixon many, many years ago. Have you followed that story or no? Not really, but I believe it had something to do with Elvis. So I'm just gonna put that out there. I'm kidding. Yeah.

Did you see Elvis is the movie that's coming out or have you seen the commercial? No. No, is that another one? Oh, it's pretty sick. You got to watch the commercial. Yeah, it's pretty sick. Yeah, it's coming out. Anyway, it's playing himself. It's so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, pretty sick. You got to watch the commercial. Yeah, that's pretty sick. Yeah, it's coming out anyway

It's playing himself So you don't know that story then I want to skip that story that photograph of the Elvis and Nixon This one of the 10th of 10 ironic photographs in American history. Oh, let's see this right badge given to drug Adults singer. I mean Did you see that movie? I think you do a very good job to the united states of america well thank you most mr. prosa it's actually good time that you do you do good i was in a good uh... clinton

and it's a bad just a thing where he gives him a badge remember that yeah i can't wait to see this guy's move when it comes up to trailer right there that's let's watch something very important here this this is very concerning for adam uh... in regards to declassified government secrets, shocking declassified government secrets, trained cat soldiers, okay.

Documents declassified in 1983, revealed that the US government tested the idea of training cats to be spies, implanting, recording equipment in their bodies, and letting them loose near the Kremlin or Soviet embassy. Is this a true story? It's a true story. It's my people. It's a true story. My people. It's a true story. I'm here to tell you that it was called acoustic kitty and it was an operation

and you know where people can learn a lot about this is on black files declassified which appears every every Wednesday Yeah, you go ads at nine p.m. I do not sell fish at all am I doing this right? Discovery channel channel science channel science channel We're discovery plus everything's about it. I'm gonna have you have the app. Yeah, and so the idea was Was that yeah, the idea was that, look, again, if you're trying to collect intelligence, you're going to try to be creative. One of the things that the agency does, well, they've got a science and technology directorate, right?

That's one of the divisions within the organization. That's where incredible engineers work, and they've developed everything from the U2, you know, to the Blackbird, to satellite technology, battery capability. And so they do some amazing work down there. And one of the ideas was, look, if you're trying to collect on some target in some, you know, country and maybe what you want to do is figure out a way to get close to that target in an unassuming way. How about we implant a receiver in the WCAAT? I mean, I know that sounds crazy, but these guys are just throwing ideas out there. They built a years ago, they've decades ago, they built a thing called an insect-insect author, which was just a little dragonfly that could hover and outside a window of, say, the Soviet embassy and collect

intel. It's incredible. Anyway, the acousticity didn't work. They also tried. Why didn't it work? You know, cats are as it turns out are not that trainable. Oh, I know, Mike. Yeah, yeah. So it's it's basically desertion. Yeah, so as it turns out, you know, the cat, I base, I don't know, I don't have all the insight, but I think it's spent most of its time looking at its own ass. And these are word dogs. Yeah, well let me ask you,

which created interference and static control. You know, the static, Phil, the term for Phil. What is it? International arms dealers, we've seen the movie War Dogs, right? Yeah, sure. And then in the movie he's like, he's a dog of war, right? Yeah. How this cat idea, how much thought goes into it or realistically, how often is just someone

just high-shit smoking weed? He's like, man, forget about War Dog War cats, man, that's where it's at. Well, no, you think it is crazy, right? Because some of the shit that they came up with was just remarkable. As an example, they built a fish, a remote fish, right? Because they were trying to figure out what was going on at a facility overseas somewhere.

And it had an estuary, right? And so what they wanted to do was collect water samples. So there was no way in hell they were gonna be able to accomplish this. So anyway, they built this fish. They have one of them in the museum there at headquarters. It's incredible. It looks just like a damn fish.

And this thing would, they set it off and it would swim up the, you know, estuary and collect water samples and could, you know, gather some other data and then come back. I mean, so yeah, they're throwing ideas on the table, but sometimes, you know, it makes sense. They again, the acoustic it didn't work. They tried it on a pigeon, right? And you know, the gear was too heavy for the pigeon to make it all Target, so but you never, you know, and you know, some of the ones that really work, they don't they don't talk But these are the kind of wacky ideas where they're like, let's put a budget together. Let's put 20 million dollars into this. Wasn't there a war cast? Wasn't there a war cast? Yeah, dolphins are, yeah, look, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they and so the use of the insectothop, it was a very important development

because while it didn't necessarily work that well because it wasn't as controllable as they wanted it to be, it allowed them to develop technology that could then be used in other ways. And so, you know, anyway, I'm banging on about to. All I can think about right now is in the Austin Powers movie where he's like sharks with lasers. Exactly. We're going to have sharks and put lasers on them. Those laser beams scattered. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. There's something

happened this last week that is deeply concerning. I'm wondering like as a well-trained CIA agent, how would you solve this mystery? Because it's heavy on my heart. So an alleged stoner stopped after wild car chase, whips out license from Legoland, okay? A UK driver who was arrested for reckless driving at officers and stitches after producing a license from Legoland, the driver was pursued from Bexley to I love a Chevy and arrested for a multitude of offenses last week according to a tweet by Kent Police, RPU, which apprehended the 21-year-old motorist in February, following an

epic car chase. This was a 35-mile car chase and this guy when he gets pulled over, he takes out his Legoland. Is this truly a real story or what? Tell me you're joking with me, right? No, it's legit and you get the license. There's a driving course Lego land and it's got like a speed cam, a few other things and you get this license. And here it is right here. I've actually seen this Lego land.

I took my daughter to that Lego land and it's true. You can get a driver's license. And yeah, so the guy had a big bag of weed. As far as I'm concerned, he's a hero. I think it's a fantastic story and got a great news. I think it says more about the poor Kent police because the average highway patrol in any of the 50 states would be far less patient than 35 miles. average highway patrol and any of the 50 states would be far less patient than 35 miles. You would have put the trip flying down, pop the tires, or catch up behind them, give him a spin.

Have you ever let this happen? Have you ever gone to the airport and you forgot your ID or passport? Has that ever happened to you? Have you ever gone to the airport to travel? You forget your passport? I feel like you have a story behind this. Just because this happened to me multiple times. I'm asking you if it's happened to you.

It's not. I'm sure it's never happened to you. Actually, it's never happened to you. But it's happened to you. Yeah, I've done. I showed up and I realized all of a sudden I didn't have a passport. Now to be fair, I was traveling to Canada. I guess I just thought that was another state.

And so I didn't think they'd actually want my passport. One time I went to the wrong airport. One time I went to the wrong airport. I was heading back overseas. So you're the stone. Now I was hungover. I was back in the states for just a few days, got together with some guys that were back here. This was when I was in the old job and we went out and might have had a little bit too much to drink. Had they go overseas to do something and went to, instead of going to Dallas Airport in Washington, I went to national.

And you know, balanced around there for a while, so I had to fail, where the hell's my flight? And I was getting really sure to do with the gate, people would say, no, but my flight, I'm leaving here to go and they said, and they looked at them and they go, no, you're supposed to be a dollar. No, I love when, yeah.

It's so funny and Dallas, it would happen all the time. You're online, you guys like, sir, your flights from love field, not from DFW. You're kidding me. No, you have to leave, okay? And what happened to me one time is we parked the car in DFW, but Maral booked my flight back to love. I totally forgot about it.

And I'm like, trying to go to Valley. Can you get my car? I've been waiting 20 minutes, like, sir, we don't have your car. I call Maral Maral's like, your car's at call Marum Rose, like your car's a DFTW. Yeah, but it's always a fun conversation when you're saying, I'm telling you, I'm Patrick with David, sir, whatever. Do you have an ID?

No, what would you like me to show you? And you have to make phone calls to get that part done. Let's talk about gas prices. Can you pull up the picture, somebody just sent me from Beverly Hills? So this was just sent to me from Beverly Hills and gas prices from Beverly Hills. So this was just sent to me from Beverly Hills and gas prices in Beverly Hills, 8.95, 9.25, 9.55, and a story comes out from common dreams that I want to read

to you on page 7. If you can pull up the other stat that we had about where gas prices went, you remember the one that we did the other day? I'm sure you have it if you don't, I'll send it to you as well. 82% of US voters believe inflation is fueled by corporations jacking up prices. Release Friday by the advocacy group, fight corporate monopolies. The polls showed that 82% registered voters blame big companies

for at least some of the recent inflation spike and want elected officials to take on powerful CEOs and rating corporate greed to lower prices with gas prices searching amade rushes onslaught against Ukraine against Ukraine Democrats in the House and Senate introduced legislation that would impose a windfall tax on oil companies in an effort to curb profiteering. your oil and gas companies made $174 billion in profits. Bernie Sanders said, this year they're on track to make more. We cannot allow big oil companies to use Ukraine and inflation as an excuse to rip off Americans. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think it's a lot more complex going back to someone's right. Someone keeps going off. Is that yours Tyler Thomas? That your ringtone? Yeah.

Someone's goes up. I'm okay. So it's you. Yeah, I knew you were missing. You were up to something. I Someone's goes up. Fuck, it's my, okay, so it's you. See, I knew you were missing a picker. You were up to something, I knew. I know, I know. It's not easy getting signal into this room. But yeah, I think it's, this story is like so much else, it just, it becomes a simple narrative, right?

And if people took the time to say, okay, like maybe I'm gonna sit and study and people took the time to say, okay, look, maybe I'm going to sit and study and understand how the oil market works, you know, maybe I, I've, I've expand my thinking about this and just think it's not that, uh, Exxon mobile is, is screwing us over, right? Exxon mobile, yeah, 2021, they made what, 20, 23 billion, and in 2020, they posted a $22 or $23 billion loss because of the pandemic. So oil prices fluctuate based on world conditions. So prices come down right now. Why is it coming down?

Well, because in part, as an example, these discussions going on with Iran, and suddenly the traders are thinking, okay, maybe we're gonna get that pipeline opened up. They're gonna re-ease the sanctions. So, yeah, prices start to come down. Prices may be fluctuating up, because what? China's going through a lockdown again, right? So, what's that gonna do?

Oh, shit, now maybe we've got a problem, with demand and supply. Okay, so I guess, do I think that the oil companies are screwing us over? Are they interested in making profit? Damn, right there interested in making a profit. But I think that the way that, you know, one another problem here, the Biden administration, I think failed in one way here with this energy issue, by not apparently drawing a direct line between energy and national security.

Energy is a national security priority. And so therefore, if you say that, then you would assume that in that case, yes, okay, great, we should be a leader in green technology, that's a wonderful thing. But we should also be as independent or close and independent as possible in production of energy. And so that's a national security concern.

You, we can do both. And in fact, you know, there are that many people that invest as much money in new green technologies as oil companies because it's a profit motive for them. They understand, right? We've built the next best battery's gonna win. So yeah, I just think it's, you know, it's more complicated than AOC or whoever tweets about

wants us to believe. David John, can you guys show that real quick gas prices for people to know that gas prices have been climbing way before Putin invaded Ukraine? I think it's important for audience to constantly see this, that it's been going up since even November when the election came out and they announced, look out, low gas prices, where there were two dollars and it's gone up to 351 by then. That's nearly 100%, 80%. But go ahead, you were so excited. No, I think this is a perfect segue to a nice case example

from the biz doc right here, not even so much gas, but how do prices work in the market? It was supply, demand, prices, cost go up. I feel a gas aside, how does it all work? I'm sure you have strong feelings on this. When you look at fuel and everything, most people don't know. There are economists that work for the airlines and they are some of the fastest and best

hedgers you're nodding, like, on fuel prices on the planet Earth. They are so fast and so quick to hedge. If you look at any of the annual reports for the airlines, they talk about their hedging strategies or hedging staff and everything, and hedging means that they see the prices change and they're trying to actually keep the price of air tickets balanced so that they can maintain customer inflow. They don't want during spring break the price of a ticket to double and they lose customers. They're trying to keep some stability for summer travel and all these things so they

can go make a buck. And the second part of it is you're absolutely correct. We have in this country, what most people don't understand is the strategic petroleum reserve, and the president can open and close the valve to put oil that's in storage into the market. Supply comes into market, prices are moderated, and he can do that.

And all the things about drilling and everything, that takes a while. Okay, you've got permits, you've got leases, but I didn't approve your permit. Right. And so, Pissacchi will go to the microphone and say, they have leases up the wazoo, and the guy from Foxenabact didn't get called on.

He's like, yeah, but you didn't approve the actual permit to drill. So if you take a look at what everything's out there, if Americans just understood two things, the president can ease prices with the petroleum reserve, number one, and number two, it's good to be green but balanced energy independence is even better. Most Americans also don't know this third point, which is Canada buys 100% of its natural gas from the United States of America. We are actually a top four energy exporter in the

world. And so to blame the man, you know, it's very fashionable in the election year to go blame the man. Oh, big corporations are screwing you again. It's the man, you know, you know, you know, one thing I gotta tell you, Tom, you know, people often tell me I have an accent and they'll say, Pat, you got an accent. I'm like, okay, cool. I got an accent. I've never heard anybody call Jen Sackie Jen Pissackie. And I love the way you say Putin, you say Putin. It's like such a unique Canadian accent you have. That's wonderful. Can you go back to that picture you showed by a bumble,

what is it called? Not a Sackie. Sackie. This is the Havoc B. Pissacchi. Due to gas prices, next fast and fierce movie will be blah, blah. Oh my gosh.

But can you do me favor and Google, highest gas tax state? Just type in highest gas tax state, highest gas tax state. And look what comes out. OK, so make it a little bit so everybody can see it. Make it OK. So California, New Yorkers pay 66.62 cents on a gallon of gas. The nine-times statewide state gas tax alone is 48.22 cents on a gallon of gas the ninth highest statewide

State gas tax alone is 48.22 cents a gallon But California is 86.55 Illinois is 78 Pennsylvania 77 Hawaii is 70 if you want to see the next 10 click on it So the competitive folks can see where they state ranks Making bigger and make a Pennsylvania Hawaii New, New Jersey, Nevada, Indiana, Washington, New York, Michigan, Florida, Oregon, North Carolina. Okay. So these guys are saying we need to ask these big corporations to not, you know, as record breaking profits that they have. Fine.

If you're really concerned, let's go through three different organizations. We hold you accountable. We hold the oil companies accountable, and we hold governors of states that are charging a shit ton of taxes accountable. So if we do it that way, then guess what? Maybe there's a reasonable conversation. So one, for 90 days, if we're 100% of Canada gets their oil from us, why don't we start doing it ourselves for a time period to lower gas prices? Number two, talk to Exxon and mobile and give them some kind of a credit for the next couple of years to have a certain number that they're doing to lower prices for them.

And then contact all your governors and tell them for the next six months, the gas tax that you're collecting right now, the 8655, we need to get rid of it for the next 90 days to six months. That is a reasonable way where everybody is pulling during, you know a startup company when you get started and the company's going through a challenge and times, the CEO will come in and they'll do this. They'll say, guys, let me tell you where we are.

We all are inequiting this company. Yes, yes, okay. Companies growing, it's exploding, but we have a problem right now. What's that? Our margins are very small. If we can make it through the next 12 months, Okay, companies growing, it's exploding, but we have a problem right now. What's that? Our margins are very small. If we can make it through the next 12 months, we'll be fine, and our equity is going to

be worth a lot. For the next six to 12 months, us, the C-suite, who can afford this, because we own the most, what do you call it, we own the most shares in the company, I think we have to lead from the front and do something with our salary. Let me tell you what I'm doing with my million dollar salary. I for the next 12 months, I'm not taking a penny of salary. I'm going to a penny. And I'm not telling you to do that as well.

But all I'm telling you is, see if you can figure out a way to take a lower salary the next six, 12 months so we can reinvest that money into the company and then we can bring your back up. We need that for the next six, 12 months so we can reinvest that money into the company and then we can bring it back up. We need that for the next six, 12 months. But I'm telling you from front, my salary just went for a millionaire to penny for the next 12 months. CFO, I've already had a conversation with John. John's already told me he's taken a salary from a half a million to 120 and that's a savings of 380 per year. Thank you CFO for doing that. Larry's already agreed to go from 400 to 80 because he's also got savings.

Larry, thank you for doing that. Then you go to the rest of the page and say, shit, okay, I'm willing to go to this. Now great, let's off memorandum. Then you go to your employees, your directors, any managers, and you presented to them. Then you go to your partners, your carriers, your vendors, whoever it is, and you say, guys, this is what we're doing.

Here's a memorandum. We would like you to lower the expenses a little bit for the next six, 12 months work with us. We're growing very, this is the way you get people to say, you know what, if you're going to feel a little bit of the pain, I'm okay feeling a little to the pain. I'm all in rather than saying it's the corporations who are doing tat, tat, but you don't talk about your state.

You don't talk about your own drilling. You don't talk about your own responsibilities. You don't talk about your own responsibilities. You just pointed at everybody else. You become a hypocrite. That is the challenge I have with their solution. It's all this way, but I've not held accountable to do anything. Again, we simply run a podcast. We're rolling on countries, we're rolling on states.

But if somebody came up like that and presented that to me, I kind of say, you know what? Okay, that's fair. I'm listening. Well, it's fair, I'm listening. Well, and it's also, I'm part of the problems also, I think that it's this idea that it's gotta be all or nothing, right? You're either all in on alternative sources of energy

or you're a complete asshole. And like you said, a balanced energy policy, but that's gotta be driven from the top. I really do think that one of the reasons why we're staring at this invasion in Ukraine right now is because we got our energy policy so wrong, right? If crude's down at 34 bucks a barrel, Putin really can't afford his adventurism

that he's engaged in right now. You get it up to where it's been and where it's been climbing too and that gives him a lot hope. And then he looks around and he thinks, yeah, you've fed into my plan anyway. It's been clear for years that he's using energy as a weapon. That's an obvious statement, right? And we just fed into it by saying, we're putting our hands up, we're going to kill the energy industry here in the States in our pursuit for green technology.

And he looks at that and he goes, yeah, great. That's exactly what I want. And thank you for the help. So yeah, I think we screwed the pooch on that one as far as the current administration goes. Meanwhile, just get us here about what's side of your ABA announced the last 24 hours. Have you seen this or no Tyler? Okay, so go to Wall Street Journal story or examiner or Fox or Bloomberg or any one of them. You can go to any one of their stories.

Okay, so Saudi Arabia just announced if you can open that up, Saudi Arabia considering accepting the one instead of dollars for Chinese oil sales. Okay. So China is playing aggressively coming in saying, hey, we're here. We're waiting. Can you imagine what happens if Saudi Arabia goes away from the dollar, which the dollar has historically been what? Domain currency and now they're gonna take this angle. What kind of a look is that on US? What kind of a look is that on the administration? What kind of a look is that for the world?

What is the world same when they see this? Uh oh, motive, China's officially the new powerhouse in charge, US is getting more and more and more weaker with the dollar. What do you think, my one-seed is, Tom? Man, we got to get that vice president out there to say something nonsensical. We got a sender on a tour. No, I think this is also, I think, national security.

The dollar has been a storehouse of value and also the store, sort of the ruler by which all currencies are measured. It's been the stable currency. And it may be, oh, well, that's an elite thing to say, such an imperialist thing to say, to put your currency out there. But I think it's a security issue, personally. Can you pull up the article to read the whole article? Go to the Wall Street Journal one.

This is the hill. Is this the other one behind the paywall? Okay, let me look at this one. Two nations have Interminately intermittently Discussed the major of a matter of six years, but how seven two thousand two two disgruntled over the United States nuclear negotiations with Iran and its lack of backing for Saudi Arabia's military operation and boom There you go by the way, did you see what just happened right there? That's right, I mean these guys are sitting there

negotiating with Iran, okay, on nuclear deals. And Saudi says, no problem. I thought we were your number one ally. You're doing that, we're going to China. Nearly 80% of global oil sales are priced in dollars. And since the mid 70s, the Saudis have exclusively used the dollar for oil training as part of security agreement with the U.S. government.

According to the journal, the talks are the latest and an ongoing effort for Beijing, both to make its currency trade-able in international oil markets and strengthen its relationship with the Saudis specifically, China previously aided reality in construction of ballistic missiles and construction and nuclear power, conservative liaison, as increasing fate in recent years. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salaman initially put forth a public image as a reformer, liberalizing, liberalizing the country's policies on woman rights ends, however, in 2010. Anyway, so there you go. You sit there and you negotiate with Iran, you lose Saudi.

Well, but the interesting thing with China is, while China's been increasing their military support and technology cooperation with the Saudis, they've also been at the same time and currently. Iran. Increasing their economic cooperation with Iran, which, if you look at it, they go, how do you square those?

They don't care. That's China. As long as it's in the Xi's regime's best interests, that's all they care about. They are very straightforward. It's what you said before about your enemies and at least for us. For honest, China is meaningless.

How many billion did China get to Iran? 400 billion, 25 billion. Exactly. Is it my saying it correctly, 400 billion, 25? Typing Iran, China, 400 billion, type in Iran China 400 billion 25 years? Well, isn't aren't they kind of talking about both sides of their mouth right there? Whereas I'm talking about Saudi Arabia I hear so search it search it teller just type in China Iran They're acknowledging the fact that China is doing business with Iran investing in Iran, but now they're they're basically

Dissing America because we're having conversations with Iran and suddenly we're having Economic conversation with Iran. We're trying to basically figure out this around nuclear deal That's been back and forth left and right for 10 years now But we the the the the current administration is very clear about the you know They're essential. They're agreement to lift sanctions, right? So that that opens a spigot and gets the Iranian oil flowing That concerns the Saudis, so they're gonna look at that in terms of their own interests. No, it is bad. And China, again, you look at just their relationship

with Putin, is it Putin or is it? Putin and Pasaki. Pasaki, I like that. You look at their relationship. And again, China, you know, you honestly think that they're going to respond to, you know, threats where the US may say, no, you know, if you've been not cozy up or cooperate with Putin because, you know, that's not going to end well for you. We're going

to, you know, in post-sanctions. That's not how Xi is going to respond, right? Xi is dealing with Russia right now because he perceives it as in his best interest. As soon as this thing, if it were to go really ugly, you know, you're going to see daylight between them because China is playing a much longer game. And I just, so it is fascinating, but this conflict apparent conflict between them dealing with both the Saudis and Iran at the same time is I think has been fascinating. Well hold on, I just thought of something. This is a perfect analogy to what you were talking about.

But we're gonna have to hear this. You talked about I trust my enemies more than I trust my allies. Well we know that Iran is our enemy, facts, okay? What the fuck is Saudi Arabia at this point to us? Are they our ally, are they our strategic partner? Are they an enemy? Did they have an involvement in 9-11? That is what's clouding US judgment right there is is I don't know what to make of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is Michael Jordan when he says Republicans and Democrats by Jordan. Everyone buys oil and money. Everyone buys oil. So they stay in the middle and they just say, hey, listen, China buys from us, Russia buys from us, Iran buy, maybe not Iran, but US buys from us, everybody buys from us. But that's their perspective on us. What should our perspective be on Saudi Arabia? You buy from them. Saudi Arabia is a business transaction.

First transaction. First of all, very good question. It's not a vendor, it's a partner. What is the difference between a vendor and a partner? Vendor you use once in a while a partner you use all the time. You can't treat Saudi Arabia as a vendor US is treating them as a vendor. It's an insult The way you're handling them as a vendor. I would also be upset if I'm them You need to treat them as a partner. They're not trying to attack you. They're not trying to do anything to you. Well, you mean how many people from 9-11 work from

Saudi? The Saudi, the Saudi government that's selling oil to you. Yeah. You need to treat them as an, as a partner, not a vendor. You can't just go to them and say, you're now an enemy. Do that. So let's just say you do that since 1973, they've been using US dollar and now they're going to go to China and now what happens? I totally understand what you're saying. Obviously we want to keep them on the dollar and be a partner but well you're a partner you're pointing out something that you know this administration previous administrations it's a very difficult relationship it's in it because work work but if people are very conflicted about it but I agree with the fact that the world is the way it is,

you gotta do business with what you got. Sometimes you're dealing with a government that you look at and go in an ideal world, you're not what we'd like to deal with. Of course, but fuck it, that's not the way it works. That's sort of two evils. And then how do you even talk to your partner about clearly, MBS, Muhammad Balsam,

and chopped up the journalist's Khashoggi. Clearly that happened. Okay. On the world stage, everyone condemned that. All right. Well, sorry about Khashoggi. Let's just get some more oil.

Like where the lines are so blurred with Saudi Arabia. And that's what makes me bring up. What do you do? That's the question. That's why we got CIA here. Yeah, but what are you doing in this situation? Would you rather, do you see more Saudi Arabia having an honest relationship with you or Iran?

Well, again, do you trust your enemies? You know that they hate you? Or do you trust your, I suppose it partner ally? What do we bind from Iran? Nothing. We're buying their ability to not create nuclear capabilities. We're buying them off.

Okay. But by doing that, you're also pissing off Saudi. Correct. And that's all Sunni, Shiite, and dilemma. You know how you, do you have anybody in your family that no matter what friends, no or employees, or any but customers, no matter what you do, you can never make them happy. Yes

Okay, I've had people like you know what I when I finally get to point that I'm like there is nothing I can do to make her happy make him happy make them happy nothing listen guys Let's just go on separate ways because there's enough. Hey, let's take them out to them. Oh Everything goes good next day, but you, hey, let me get them this. Hey, let me do. So you're never going to make Iran happy, but at least you can keep Saudi civil. So which one do you want to look at

more as a long-term person you want to keep? I see. That's the compound law. That's the compound law. I'm maybe wrong, but that's how it's. But then how do you handle the nuclear negotiations that they run? Do you just, do you have to ask the question. But then how do you handle the nuclear negotiations that they run? Do you just, do you have to ask the question,

even if the guidelines you put in place, do you trust they're gonna follow the agreement? Series, like you think G follows foreign relation policies? Seriously. I mean, we had that agreement between G and President Obama at one point. Okay, we're not gonna engage in cyber shenanigans. Well, that's a lot of horse shit.

Or we're not gonna engage in economic espionage. Of course they are. That's how they got to the point on the food chain where they are at right now. That's how they intend to get to the top. But I think with Saudi and every other nation, you've got to think from terms of, we're going to act in our own national best interests.

What is important for our national security? What's the best interest as a nation? That's how every other country does it? Nothing wrong with that. Well, we tend to apologize for it on occasion, which is puzzling. You're talking about the Obama apology tour around the mid-were? Yeah, well, and just in general, every time we act in our own best centers, it's like, oh my god, I can't believe we're doing that. Or you you get it out in social media and the sector of the population will be angst-ridden. But yeah, I think with the Iran New Deal, look, how do you deal with that? Well, you deal with it by getting a better deal than we had, right?

We didn't have full transparency because they wouldn't allow it. So when John Kerry would bang on about trust and, you know, justification, well, we couldn't verify because we didn't have access to some of their key facilities. Right? And that's a problem. So create a better deal or just say, fine, we're not going to, I'm sorry, we're not getting that deal. And yes, we're going to then have to have better intelligence

that's going to allow us. Right now, our intelligence on that target It's kind of all over the place, right? You know some people say well, you know, their breakout is you know a month away. No, maybe they break out 12 months away Well, that's there's a big gap there, right? So that's that's an important part of this because at some point Maybe the decision is you got to go in and degrade what they're doing but Yeah, you you you talk about the Saudis. That's a you hear that all the time in

Washington. People are always spin spun up about this. Sounds like we got to get some cats on the scene in Iran. There's a snow baron. Yeah. Well, nuclear cats, you know, dogs. Do you guys see the Homer story with Joe Rogan? Do you see that story? Homer gets canceled meets Joe Rogan in new Simpsons episode. This is a New York Post story. The Simpsons is dividing critics after spoofing controversial podcast host Joe Rogan 54 in a brand new episode

satirizing cancel culture in the divisive season 33 episode 14. Title you won't believe what this episode is about. Act three will shock your Homer. Is erroneously blamed for leaving the family dog named Santa Little Helper in a hot car resulting in him getting publicly shamed. Newsweek reported things really go off the rails when the Simpsons Patriarch tries to apologize and inadvertently knocks Reverend love joy added the church window

videos of the fiasco subsequently go viral on social media, cause on Homer to lose his job and become ostracized by his family and friends co-workers. Eventually, the donor, gobbler meets up with Joe Rogan, Paul Ganger, the commentators never explicitly mentioned by name, but he is represented by a generic right-wing podcast host, who is the only one willing to meet with Homer Falon is cancellation. Dillis is say the gap rank, hollow with many critics, with screen rant, deeming its bizarrely

misguided and self-contradictory, particularly problematic per sight with the fact that Homer was under undeserving of his excommunication, presumably unlikely many so-called victims of cancel culture. So, what do you think about this? Does that even look like Joe Rogan? Does he look like kind of Joe Littlebit? Yeah. I like how they just say, we're not going to name him.

I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him.

I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to call him. I think we're going to name him. Yeah, the other day they called Russell Brand right-wing podcasts. Can you imagine calling Russell Brand

right-wing Republican podcasts? But apparently now Joe Rogan is. Couple of the guys shared a video, it went viral on Twitter about the times Joe has said things that has nothing to do with being right-wing. The only thing he's doing is his questioning things. I think he said one time you know brokobama's the best president of our generation yeah right wing guy would never say that they would probably say so you would vote for bernie he would vote for bernie he said a bunch of different things but uh... such bullshit how they portray

him as being right wing just because he says things that are contradictory it's a narrative that is being spoken out there it's absolutely true like. Look, he just has interesting people on and you know, asks questions, good questions. And you've been on Rogan how many times? Yeah, a dozen or so. Just a dozen times on Rogan. So. Yeah, no big deal Mike Baker, CIA.

Yeah, but it's, he's just curious. He's curious about everything, right? But God forbid, you should have you know, have someone say something on your show that somebody else doesn't agree with. The one thing about self-righteous people is, I don't know how they, they're so fucking dry. They have, there's no sense of humor, right? I mean, who the fuck takes exception

to a Simpson's episode? I mean, how does that work? So anyway, meanwhile, meanwhile, Joe keeps winning. Yep. Because all this you do, you're all just helping them win. The mainstream media doesn't even know it. They're officially Joe Rogan's best publicist

and the great news is he has to pay them nothing. They're doing it for free. But with all this publicity they're doing, do you realize if you were to put a dollar amount of how much the media's shit talking of him, making videos, saying stuff, how many billions of views it got Joe. And if you were to put a dollar amount on it,

I'm gonna speculate on what that dollar amount is. If Joe was running for office and he wanted to buy this viewership, it's probably gonna cost him $300 million. Joe was running for office and he wanted to buy this viewership. It's probably going to cost them $300 million. So mainstream media just brought Joe Rogan $300 million of free publicity. By the way, Joe needs to say thank you to my favorite publicist. That's a good point.

By the way, this is not new. The same thing happened in Rush Limbaugh. You may remember that there is a small coterie of Democrat congressman that tried to pass what they called the Hush Rush Act. And he was talking about equal time. And that led Rush on this big campaign where it was I am equal time.

And it actually propelled Rush from the consortium of AM talk into the whole EIB network. And so it actually was a jet fuel on Russia's trajectory and we see it again, 20 years later. Yep. And by the way, all the news of Rogan getting canceled, you don't hear that as much anymore, right?

This reminds me of kind of what Jordan Peterson said. He was sitting in Mike Baker's seat right there. He said, listen, the hardest part to do is deal with it when it's at its worst. When things are the heat is on you, if you could stick it out, you'll be sitting pretty on the other side. Now, you know, everything that happened with our friends at Spotify and rumble, offer them a hundred million bucks. Where's that now?

I think he'll use the five of the words to that. Neil Young put himself back on Spotify as it turns out. Neil Young went back. Yeah, he's that now? Yeah, I think he'll use the five of the words to it. Neil Young put himself back on Spotify as it turns out. Neil Young went back. Yeah, he went back and as did I think everyone else. I'd love to see the Neil Young on Joe Rogan podcast coming soon. Oh, by the way, that would be, that would be, Tony up there. Yeah.

If there's a guy that could pull it off, he could pull it off to do some like that in regards to getting somebody And by the way, did you guys hear about the Putin's girlfriend? Have you guys heard about Putin's girlfriend or no? Do you hear any? I have I have can you pull this up? So inside the luxury life of Putin's secret girlfriend as Ukraine goes through hell Okay, this is a mirror story title. I don't know where you found this from her name is Alina I believe right? I noticed you had a picture over on your computer

I don't know why you got that Olympic gold medal medal winning gymn is Alina, I believe. I noticed you had a picture over on your computer. I don't know why you got that. Olympic gold medal winning gymnast. Alina Caballéva, 38, reportedly traveled to very private and very secure, Shalei near a lugano in Switzerland with her young children while Russian-vated Ukraine widely believed to be the mother of Putin's two sons and a daughter or possibly two daughters. Cabéva lives in a luxurious bubble, shielded from the horse, her

69-year-old partner is inflicting on instant children in February 2015. The local TV station reported that Kabeva had given birth at a private VIP maternity clinic in Sorengo on the periphery of the city in spotless clean streets that weave between Cartier Gucci, the Tom Megalrich Russian strolls through pampered poochers. Anyways, was that her in the previous picture too? Go back. She's a gymnast. She's very flexible. She is quote the most flexible woman in Russia. Wow. It's true that opposite to trash. She's very flexible and

Putin not too flexible on these false interpignals. Is this true? Is dog with the puto for the rest of the assistance of KGB torture move? Yeah. Yeah. You can put a listening device in her.

It'd be like acoustic kitty. Here we go. This just went to come see what I'm going with it. Yeah, yeah. Very creative. And you say C.I. is not that creative. We're talking about this. They're very Very creative. And you say, C.I. is not that creative. We're talking about it. Naturally creative.

Did you guys hear about this, the raise that Congress gave themselves? Did you see the raise? It's very honorable. So if you want to go to this page, five, Congress decides to give them a raise. I think it's on page six. Okay. Congress gives themselves a double digit race. This is a town hall story. uh... pop up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up missed Congress given itself a little pat on the back. That's understandable. Members aren't likely to tout outside the beltway, how they're filing their own office coffers.

Plus the funding increase for congressional offices just went, was just one part of the 2,700 page, Omnibus Bill that funded the US government into a $1.5 trillion. The roll call explains 5.9 billion out of fiscal 2022 legislative branch. Funding the increased taxpayer funding for congressional offices is a hundred thirty four million dollars more than was allocated in the last fiscal year a twenty one percent increase according to the House appropriations committee

summary and addition congressional offices in the House side get eighteen point two million dollars in paid internships that twenty one thousand twenty one percent raise for the offices with a five point one percent year-over-year wage growth for household report in the february's job report you can see why americans might not be that thrilled and frustrated that why i asked the title to ask uh... to check how

much the military got a raise in the last 12 months, 2.7% raise. So they get a 2.7% raise and they gave themselves a 21% raise. Got a lot of it. I mean, this is a very honorable move for them. And it's going to deflationism about a person. Yeah, inflation today.

You got to think, you know, with all the bipartisanship that's going on in Congress. Finally, there's something they agree upon Let's give ourselves more money anyone object McConnell Pelosi. All right, let's do it. All right Tell you term money term limits term limits term limits. That's this I mean it is astounding when you look at the size of Of of the operation of Congress and the number of staffers they've got of the operation of Congress and the number of staffers they've got, I can't say enough bad things, but they're so dysfunctional. That's the other part of it is. We're clearly not sending our best and brightest to Washington. I think I think possibly most people would

hopefully agree on that. But the system is designed to, it seems like increasingly send dysfunctional people to Washington. What does they say, every now and then, an innocent man has sent to the legislature? By the way, I want to just get a quick look at congressional approval ratings and where they stand right now. Tyler's on the scene. Where do they stand, Tyler? I think it just said 18%.

All right. I'm going to take a double digit, guys. There's still double digits. There's still double digits. By the way, I'm curious. I'm curious. I'm curious like what are the things should we look at for raises that are given so military being one of them all folks retirements they're getting what social security check to see how much social security breaks they didn't increase it. I respect it if you

if you increase social your social security is what uh... or that's what you're going to be so so secure is called five point nine percent five point nine percent while inflation is what seven point nine percent and you're raising a five point nine percent but congress got twenty one percent snot uh... not about again but these are the types of things that the average person watches and says let me get this straight. We're going through shit.

You're raising gas prices. I'm going through what I'm going through right now. During this time, you secretly all give yourself a 21% raise, but you don't do it to me. So if this were to happen and they raise social security by 21%, they raise military by 21%. They raise themselves by 21%. Then somebody could say what?

Okay, cool. I can see that. Fine. Even though the number may be astronomically high, but when you do it and you give yourself 21, Social Security 5.9, Military 2.7, it's what Mike Baker would call it an asshole move. Yeah.

By the way, you wouldn't call it. It's exactly. The Medicare surcharge is coming. So the 6% they gave you, they then take away on drugs, hospitalization, and physicians. So it's probably net less for grandma. Not to mention the inflation rate of 8%, eating into that as well. On grandma's grocery.

And if you want to read more about this, you can check out the 2700 page bill that's reaching Congress right right now which nobody read that they passed it can you get how how screwed up do you have to be to put together a two thousand seven hundred page on the bus bill not allow for people to debate it read it create some transparency around it for the voters and then make a decision and this is what they do this

shit all the time and i guarantee the decision. And this is, but they do this shit all the time. And I guarantee you, the people that wrote those, most of that legislation, they're like 23 year old interns and staffers, you know, who, you know, are probably hungover. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, ATF. Sounds like when I get ATF, I'm not exactly at it. Yeah, exactly. So, we've had a lot of...

And then while she looked into the camera, remember, we'll find out when we passed that. Remember that? Yeah. She looked right into the camera, remember? We'll find out when we pass it. Remember that? Yeah. She looked right into the camera, so that was it. That was for the one. They introduced us to do, or they... Yeah, okay.

They say, we'll find out when we pass it. So we had a ton of good comments today, and I want to get one in. And since we have Mr. Black files declassified, right? I thought this was really interesting. Come on, come on. Ronin returns, asks. He asked a few things, but specifically, if there was alien contact who would have jurisdiction I think that's so it would it be the president would it be the head of the military the ATF

I figured CIA guys coming in here. You could be, you could have a double life as a comedian. You could have pretended you were a comedian. Do most CIA guys have this sense of humor? Or are you like the funny guy in the crew? That's the only skill set I had when they recruited me. What's that? I did like, at a four years undercover as a stand up.

And traveled around the world because you get a good access. And so, now, you know what, most of the guys I know are a lot funnier and smarter than I am. So funnier. I thought it hard to believe. Let's get to answer your question because this guy wants to know the question. So what do we do with these aliens? That's a, well, you know what, if you, if you set aside area 51, which is pretty much where we keep them all, it's a good question because who would have jurisdiction over in Ireland? I don't, I don't, I hope you got it.

What's guys name Ronan? Ronan, I don't have a fucking clue. Come on. And if you didn't say, okay, well that's fair enough, yeah, to say that. Look, would the CIA have jurisdiction? Well, possibly because it involves a foreign asset, I think you could say that. Look, with the CIA have jurisdiction, well, possibly because it involves a foreign asset. I think you can say that. The Bureau would probably come in and say it's our turf.

Across the headlines. Yeah, so you'd probably get this sort of thing going on. But look, Area 51, going to that, that was set up by the agency, basically. But it was set up for the development of air assets of new technology. And so that's, again, whether it was set up for the development of air assets of, you know, of new technology. And so that's, you know, again, whether it's the Blackbird or whether you're talking about you too, or any of our assets.

It's, so Area 51 was started and it made sense, right, that people would be going, what the fuck is that? I saw something really bizarre flying around. Well, yeah, you know, you just saw a stealth wing fly over your ranch and it looks like an alien aircraft. So, I mean, I get why Area 51 is so fascinating and it is fascinating, but I think if we actually encountered and there are some things going on right now,

the Pentagon came out and actually admitted that they had an office A-Tip that was following an identified aerial phenomena and trying to figure out what the hell they were. That was a big admission by the Pentagon, so then you ask yourself, why did they come out and say that? What were they just trying to get ahead of something or were they just thinking, okay, it's time we can declassify the fact that this office existed. So from a national security perspective, if you've got something out there that say a naval aviator saw and couldn't identify

and you've got gun camera footage of it, then it makes sense from a national security perspective, you better be investigating and figuring out what it is. Is it a new technology from a hostile nation or what the hell it is? So. Well, first of all, that's an interesting question to ask. Gotta be curious to know myself

on what the answer to that question would be. It's gonna be Joe Rogan. We're just gonna say Joe, they're gonna go on there. So, but we are coming to the end of the podcast and a reminder to everybody, season two of Black Files, the class about airing Wednesday, 9 p.m. Eastern Standard, time on Science Channel, and Discovery Plus.

We have a commercial to show you with this. That's coming up. If you want to play that, nice. Here we go. Why was our government investigating the paranormal? That information is still all classified to this day. Whatever was being done was done for mind control. You fully immerse yourself in the enemy. This was by far the most

terrifying experience of my life. It might be somewhere in here. It seems like an effort to keep the public in the dark. That's exactly how psychological operations work. I wouldn't call this a treatment. I would call a torture. The Soviet Union created a doomsday system. These systems are always learning. They're always developing. Is that an existential threat to mankind?

The Navy is already looking at how to use aerial drones to attack an objective. Whoever can master those techniques will be reading out. We go. Next Wednesday, 9 p.m. Black Files the class by do not miss it put the link below to get more information on that Mike Baker brother Thank you. I of course great to have you on really enjoyed it I'm glad we had a chance to do it face-to-face looking forward to the next time we have you on again I would look forward to that very much. Thank you. Thank you Mike.. Take care. We'll do this again. Tyler, next week, right? Nothing this week. Okay, we'll do it again next week. Have a great weekend, everybody. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.