PBD Podcast - Former CIA: Mike Baker Reacts to Israel Conflict | PBD Podcast | Ep. 315

Starting point is 00:00:00 I Did you ever think you were make it I feel I'm so close I could take sweet the theory. I know this life meant for me Yeah, why would you bet on Goliath when we got bet David? Now you came in giving contagious, this world on your panoras, we can't no value to hate it. I'd be running home, you look what I've become. All right, our guest today with all the mess that's

Starting point is 00:00:38 going on. Specifically, a question we asked this morning on the podcast with Charlie Kirk is, how is it possible that the supposedly the best intelligence in the world did not know that Hamas was training for a year preparing their soldiers who had no clue who they were going to attack on a city they built that matched the city like the one ones in Israel and then all of a sudden Egypt says they're maybe an attack and you don't do anything and you mean to tell us We have to believe the fact that you don't know this was happened. It's kind of tough question for some of us that were asking So today's guess perfect timing Mike Baker worked in the CI for 17 years as a covert field operations officer specializing

Starting point is 00:01:17 In counterterrorism Canon Arcotx is drinking a drink right now He's drinking a drink right now that Mr. Franklin is. Counterinsurgency operations engaged in organizing supervised operations around the globe working in Asia, Middle East, Africa, Europe, and the Soviet Union, former Soviet Union, and elsewhere. And he hosts the President's daily brief daily podcast that's available on Spotify tunes.

Starting point is 00:01:38 And the first TV we're gonna put all in below is what Mike, it's good to have you on again. It's great to be here, thank you very much. Yes, hopefully the, we were hoping that occasion will be different, but all the mess that's going on around the world, it's kind of crazy, it's good to have you on again. It's great to be here. Thank you very much. Yes, hopefully the We were hoping the occasion will be different, but all the mess that's going on around the world. It's kind of crazy It's wild But for you Mike with your background brother with You worked intelligence. You're in it 17 years historically I've interviewed the former director one of the former directors of massage and you talked to them the level of pride

Starting point is 00:02:03 They have at how great they are. How do they not know the fact that an attack is about to be made like this and 1500 people die, that's later. How do you not know this was happening? Yeah, well first of all they are excellent, right? I mean, so but the bottom line is this was essentially, when people say, look, this was their 9-11, what they're referring to is sort of the shock of the event and the impact on the nation. But really, when I say it was like their 9-11, what I mean is it was the same type of intelligence failure.

Starting point is 00:02:37 So I think what they're finding out now and what they'll find out in further hot wash on this whole thing is that, yeah, they were close. They were indicators. They were bits and pieces of intelligence. Again, I'm not sure how to read the Egyptian intel chief's comments. I think we need to hear more from him,

Starting point is 00:02:56 from them in terms of specifics about what they were talking about that they said they warned some week and a half before this. But the bottom line is, we had a problem with 9.11 as most people know at this point in time. We were getting small data points, we were getting little bits of intelligence. And yet the problem was our state, our local federal,

Starting point is 00:03:16 the Intel community, everybody was siloed. So you weren't compiling all that data and making sense of it. You were having a credit card purchase in Saudi and you were having another event here in the US. And we weren't dialing all that together. And so the holy grail left in 9.11 became, well, how do you do that? How do you take all these disparate pieces of intelligence

Starting point is 00:03:36 that are coming from a variety of different means? And suddenly focus in on a bigger picture and understand what it all means. Now, we thought we were getting there, but the problem is that it's a it's a human endeavor and so what I would argue is that We're gonna find that the massage and bet the the IDF Border security everybody they were picking up little Pieces right but for the same problem, which is Shit's gonna happen occasionally you're never gonna get it down to a zero sum game.

Starting point is 00:04:05 It's a very unsatisfactory answer, I suspect, but it's the honest God's truth. So they're gonna have to go through the sort of, the same heart-wrenching realization at some point that they probably could have prevented this. I'm like, what about the two hour, I'm sorry, the three hour to six hour response, once it happened, like once it happened, it was just a standout like the standout Mikey,

Starting point is 00:04:29 but what I'm saying is we have more more long lines of it's in, you know, pride and all that aside, just their presence, you just kept happening, kept happening hours. They even kidnapped people and brought them back to the strip. It's like, how do they, how do they drop that ball? Yeah. Well, first of all, you have to understand how long this was in the planning stages for, right?

Starting point is 00:04:48 And it was in the planning stages and it was a very tight operation, the sense of need to know, right? So, you know, not that disappeared on too many rabbit holes on this one, but there's a lot of layers here. The New York Times came out and in some sort of bizarre statement, said, well, according to some sources,

Starting point is 00:05:05 and then not identified, Iranian officials were surprised by this because there is this gyration right now. Oh my God, how can we avoid saying Iran? How can we not say that the Iranian regime is essentially responsible for all of this because without them, Hamas is irrelevant, right? They wouldn't exist in the way they do.

Starting point is 00:05:25 So the idea that the Iranian officials were caught was, well, no, no shit, because, you know, at the end of the day, this was neat to know. You had some IRGC, some revolutionary guard personnel, responsible for liaison with Hamas. They probably actually pass that responsibility onto others because, you know, again, realizing they wanted to keep this close hold, so there were very few people in on this.

Starting point is 00:05:49 There were, I suspect, there were a very few number of officials within, or leaders within the brigade, the armed element of Moss, who also understood what was going on and had the big picture. So they were very smart. They probably dumbed down their communications significantly to prevent any sort of signals intercepts. And again, it's not satisfactory,

Starting point is 00:06:14 but having worked in operations for a long time, things happen. And you say, how did I miss that? So let me ask a question this way. So if you're US and we also have one of the best intelligence out there, CIA. I like to think so. Do you think we have agents?

Starting point is 00:06:31 Do we have agents in Israel? Do we have agents in all over the Middle East? Do we have agents that gather and tell to bring you back to us? Because this is also problematic for us. It's very problematic for us. The answer is, yes, look, Israel treats Intel kind of the way they treat the military operations,

Starting point is 00:06:52 which is the pride and we're gonna do it ourselves. What will take care of ourselves? But we have a very tight intel relationship regardless. Having said that, we also depend heavily on them for their human, right, frankly. And- Was that word? Human intelligence.

Starting point is 00:07:11 Oh, I got you, human. Yeah, so they're extremely care, but I think one of the surprises for me from the question of how did we miss this is not so much the, we missed technical collection, right? Although that is also concerning, but it's the source reporting, right? Although that is also concerning, but it's the source reporting, right? It's the human, because I would like to have thought

Starting point is 00:07:32 that they had a larger network of sources within Gaza and that at some point, somebody would have picked up on this. But again, what that points do is just how close hell this operation was. And the fact that they were able to maintain that secrecy over the amount of time it would have taken to plan this, they had to do reccees, they had to do surveillance reconnaissance on their eventual targets, right? They didn't just like stream out and happen upon a, a, a, a of villagers. So they knew what they were doing. They had to stockpile weapons. They had to go through training, right? They had to train the personnel that were going to be involved in this attack.

Starting point is 00:08:14 So it was a remarkable in a sense ability of hummus to do this. But then again, they've been at it for a long time. Man, I still have our time here, believe in that, because for me, you got a blockade in Gaza. Air, water, I mean, in every possible way, they got a blockade. So that means you have people on the inside that you can see what's going on from top, you can have drones. You can have so many different ways to see what they're working on. What, why are 28 guys here running into the house

Starting point is 00:08:51 and coming out and running into the house and coming out? Running into the house and coming out. What are they doing there? Who's in that house? I mean, but Pat, they've got maybe 300 miles of underground tunnels, right? So it's like Minnesota during, or Minneapolis during the cold months, right?

Starting point is 00:09:05 You never have to go outside. You always walk into the sky walks. The tunnel system that they've built over all these years. And yes, Israel's got ground penetrating radar and they've got surveillance capabilities and all the rest of it, but it's remarkable. And they hadn't been inside Gaza for what nine years. Yeah, since it just engagement And oh five longer than that. Yeah, yeah, 17 years

Starting point is 00:09:32 By the way, have you seen the videos of what those tunnels looks like in Hamas? There's there's plenty of videos inside the Hamas tunnels that they have if you if you wrap if you find one of the clip like this one here shows, you know, inside gazes underground tunnel there's plenty of Wall Street Journal has it. What they've built over the years it gives it gives inside on what is that one of them? If you just tap an inside Gaza tunnel. See if on Twitter anything comes up, that's Gaza tunnel. Go ahead. Oh, you're pulling that up, right? Just to be clear, CIA intelligence, you know, there's conversations out there that somehow they turned a blind eye to this,

Starting point is 00:10:15 the IDF, Mossad, Netanyahu, like, you know what? Like almost kind of like the 9-11 stories. Like, look, you know, they turned a blind eye to it. There was fair warning and you know, whether it's the big oil or military industrial complex, they kind of, you know, they turned a bligh out of it. There was fair warning and, you know, whether it's the big oil or military industrial complex, they kind of, you know, there was some, we'll look at the other way and because there's gonna be an enrichment

Starting point is 00:10:31 on the other side of this. From a CIA perspective, what's the likelihood that Netanyahu, Mossad, IDF sort of was like, yeah, we'll let them attack, we'll let this kind of slide. Maybe it got a little more out of hand than we suspected. But now we sort of have a green light to full attack. like, yeah, we'll let them attack, we'll let this kind of slide. Maybe it got a little more out of hand than we suspected. But now we sort of have a green light to full attack. What's the likelihood that they sort of close on this?

Starting point is 00:10:51 Yeah, I mean, I get, you know, I'm not a buyer on things like that. Right. It's because in part, because Israel knows exactly where this is going. Right. It did part of the depression or the depressing part about the Middle East is how consistent it always plays out. So they know, or they knew about how horrific the Hamas attacks were and the brutality that was displayed,

Starting point is 00:11:16 they knew that as soon as you started getting a body count in Gaza, that the whole narrative, social media narrative, you know, the mainstream media narrative, was gonna start focusing on that, right? I mean, the lack of interest in from a segment of society who just willing to set aside the brutality of those attacks and say, well, geez, look at the rising casualties in Gaza.

Starting point is 00:11:43 And as if they're trying to create some sort of equivalence here. And then also the bottom line is Hamas doesn't give a shit about dead Palestinians. That's the point of what they do. What does that mean exactly? Because there's sort of this equivocation of Gaza is Hamas and Gaza is Palestinian and Palestine. And they're living in this open air prison. and then Hamas is just, you know, they're either freedom fighters. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:08 From a CIA perspective, Hamas has balled out their ISIS. Are they full on what they are perceived to be, which is a Islamic terrorist group? Well, they're useful, very useful proxies. They're basically what Iran has done is surround, you know, to a significant degree, Israel, with a couple of terrorist armies. And but what I mean by Hamas not caring about casualties, that's their currency, that's their leverage.

Starting point is 00:12:39 Right. They've got, Hamas has an extremely sophisticated public relations element, right? And most of them sitting comfortably over in gutter so But they know and and and part of it is they're They're willingness over the years to do exactly what they know is always going to result in dead casual or dead civilians and betting themselves You know putting their stockpiles adjacent to or within civilian infrastructure

Starting point is 00:13:04 They're their military command centers, their personnel, they know what they're doing. And so they understand that as soon as you start getting civilian casualties, the world is gonna turn, and it's gonna force an issue and sure enough, now there is as much, you're probably more talk about that than about the reason why this is happening. So I would argue civilians, I mean Palestinian civilians, if they die, their victims of Hamas as well. Yeah, it was an explosion, it was a rocket that came in from Israel, but the reason you're having this is because of Hamas.

Starting point is 00:13:45 Of course, why do they, I think that's just, you know, why do they vote for Hamas? Meaning they have, I don't know their election system in Gaza or the West Bank in Palestine, but it used to be the PLO under Yasser Erfad and then the Palestinian liberation organization. But they voted for Hamas in 07. And they still run Gaza. I don't know how these elections work, but why do they vote for Hamas versus another option

Starting point is 00:14:12 was it Fata or other options that maybe would serve the people better than a militant terrorist group? Again, that's way outside my pay grade. I have no idea, but I would argue that there are a lot of citizens or residents of Gaza who aren't affiliated or associated with Hamas, right? I mean, look, it's shitty living, right? It's awful. 50% unemployment.

Starting point is 00:14:35 It's just horrible. It's only gonna get worse. It's gonna get worse. No question about them. By the way, I got a, we have a friend right now in Israel who's there there as we speak Jason lions Jewish Republican liaison former chairman of the United States Israel security alliance And as a degree diploma from Harvard Business School and Negotiation mastery Jason. Can you hear us?

Starting point is 00:15:01 Patrick, how are you? Thank you. I hope you can see me and hear me With the old city and Jerusalem in the backgrounds. I can. I can. So how are things there? If you were to give us a understanding or what the feelings like when you're talking to people, how are things right now Jerusalem? I would say I would equate it as Floridians is the calm before the storm. We know a hurricane five is coming. The most beautiful weather is usually a few hours before the hurricane hits. I would assume that within the next coming days, the world will see an incursion like nothing they've seen before. There is no one in the world that has actually ever seen the mites of the Israeli army. They have been very meticulous, precision-like, and dealing with terrorists, specifically Hamas, over

Starting point is 00:15:54 the last 30 years, and they have done everything they could possibly do to avoid collateral damage. Sadly, there will be collateral damage. The biggest challenge we have right now is there's approximately 150 hostages, many nationals from foreign countries. We have a number of diplomats here. I am meeting later on this evening, very late, possibly early this morning with Representative Mills, who set this up, came out here to try to do some negotiations.

Starting point is 00:16:35 I don't want to go into all the details. The Secretary of State is right next door to me. I'm at the King David Hotel. He's literally next door. I want to first of all thank Senator Rick Scott, who has been in touch with me hourly over the last week since the war broke out. What else can I answer for you, Patrick? You hear messages about the left and the right in Israel, the left is like,

Starting point is 00:17:05 hey, why don't we negotiate and, you know, let's figure out a way to make this work. And, you know, these guys are saying every time you bomb us, you know, we're going to be, you know, showcasing and taking out one of the hostages. And the right is saying, no, we cannot negotiate with terrorists. That's what the media is saying no, we cannot negotiate with terrorists. That's what the media is saying. Are you feeling a more of a unified group going up against Hamas, or is there some sort,

Starting point is 00:17:30 some level of a division between the people in Israel? Well, I think in the past, the Israelis have traded a thousand for one. In baseball, that's probably the equivalent of a player to be named later. The horrible trade, they did it for Shalee many years ago. Now you have probably a tremendous amount of pressure coming from the Americans, the Germans, Australians.

Starting point is 00:18:01 They all have hostages there. They don't want to be part of this. So, Natalia, who's walking a very fine line right now, and President Biden, who I thought spoke quite well the other day, you know, let's see where the action is, but I don't like to unnecessarily throw people under the bus, even though his relationship with Israel today hasn't been great, but he did give a very strong speech the other day. And I think for the most part, Israelis have had enough. I was at the base probably closest to Gaza two days ago. I was with the major

Starting point is 00:18:39 general. He pulled me aside because he didn't want his soldiers hearing what he was telling me. But he tried to describe to me the catastrophic things that he personally witnessed over the last 48 hours, seeing not just children, babies, heads, decapitated, little girls with blood all over them women that had been raped and left for dead These are things that you only see in the movies and they get a very lousy rating like Arrated are rating because of the violence. I mean, we have never seen other than maybe some of the things that ISIS have done that barbaric actions of animals.

Starting point is 00:19:34 I can't even call them human beings. I mean, who burns babies to try to make a point? And I think one of your guests on the show, as I was logging on mentioned about the vote, there's no vote. Hamas Tans, are you a ballot? And there's a machine gun pointed to your head. This is who you need a vote for.

Starting point is 00:19:56 So it's a complete sham of a vote. These are the worst people in the world. And they need to be a completely eradicated uh... because of the hostages complicated right now and i think the reason why the israelis haven't gone in yet is because they're trying to do everything they can to secure the release of these hostages

Starting point is 00:20:19 and the united states who's now sent a second aircraft carrier is making sure that the Americans get out as well. So that's the situation right now, the left and the right. There's nothing that unifies this country more than a common enemy. And that's what you have right now. And Hamas is terrible as the things they've done over the last four days, they were able to do something that no politician has been able to do over the last 70 years

Starting point is 00:20:52 in this country. You knight them. So Kudos to Hamas for waking up the sleeping giants. Jason, this is Adam. Thank you for your perspective. You talk about the calm before the storm, where the IDF is getting ready to attack. I presume, and go full force. You talked about the barbaric nature and the barbarism of Hamas. What can the people that are not familiar with how IDF operates, learn meaning?

Starting point is 00:21:22 Allegedly, they sent 3,000 texts to Palestinian citizens, urging them to leave. They've dropped leaflets. They've dropped food before. They do what it's called, I believe, roof knocks that's saying, hey, you've got five minutes to vacate the building because we've identified this building

Starting point is 00:21:39 as a place that a missile came from. So meaning, they're trying to limit civilian casualties. Whereas obviously Hamas will gladly rape and pillage whoever they come across. What should the world know about how the IDF is operating to save civilian lives? Well, you know, I think you're going to see a new playbook and I think a lot of palestitians are going to get killed. There's nowhere to go. It's a little unfair. You have an ocean on one side, a sea. You have Egypt, which was letty-gid at the most 2000 day. And then, of course, to the north, you have the Israelis. There's nowhere for the Palestinians to go. This is a horrible situation. One of

Starting point is 00:22:26 your guests eloquently put this, that Hamas put the Palestinians in this pigeonhole right now. This is a terrible situation, but they crossed the line. And as I mentioned before precision into all of the killings of Hamas leadership over the last 20 years, and I'm afraid that precision is going to wane over the next couple of days, and the collateral damage will be heavy. And another one of your podcast members, I think also mentioned something to the effect that, you know, what can they do about it? Well, I think the Israeli's value life is much as any nation in the world.

Starting point is 00:23:19 And I still believe, even though there will be some collateral damage, the Israelis will do everything possible to minimize the collateral damage. Quick follow up. You sort of said that you might want to start buckle up race for impact because civilian casualties might be possible, maybe even unavoidable. You know, there's winning the actual war, then there's winning the PR war. Mike Baker

Starting point is 00:23:47 mentioned how good the Hamas is at PR and putting spreading their basically lies. From a PR perspective, why would Israel want to kill civilian lives, even if it's unavoidable? I don't want to. The problem is, they're all entangled with each other. I mean, up until four days ago, they were using the Palestinians as human shields. That means that they're shooting thousands of missiles. And the Israelis know where the missiles are coming from. So the reason why the Israelis don't take out those installation systems, because they're surrounded by Palestinians.

Starting point is 00:24:25 Now they up the game. They took 150 Israelis, slash semi-Israelis, and they've put them in those places. So now you got to think twice before you take out these rockets, and that's the quandary that they're in right now. Mike, Vinnie, any questions? You guys good? Yeah. What have you heard?

Starting point is 00:24:46 It's Mike Baker, Jason. What have you heard about Egypt's willingness perhaps to allow Palestinian refugees to cross into Egypt? The numbers were low that I heard. It's possible that CC will get enormous pressure from the United States. He might get a boatload of buddy for accepting them. That's something that's, you know, there's back channelings right now that are going on with the Egyptians for that very reason. There's

Starting point is 00:25:18 a lot of back channeling going on with the Qataris right now, you know, they spend $200 billion on the world Cup, and that money could go up for smoke real fast if they don't play ball with the United States. The United States has a relationship with Qatar, but it's one of these mutual beneficial relationships. We have a base there, and we tend to look the other way. It's hard to look the other way when the leader of Hamas is living in a palace and has refuge in that country. And I have a very good relationship with the royal family over there. And they're

Starting point is 00:25:58 not happy about the situation either. But things are, let's say in the works of trying to do something to alleviate their pressures. And Jason, this is Vincent. God bless you. I hope everything is, you stay safe and everything goes good over there while you're there. A couple of days ago, the ex-head of Hamas, Khaled Masha'al called for tomorrow for Friday the 13th to be an international, basically, a day of terrorism. How much do you think that we should heed to his warning and what is the security apparatus on high alert where you are? Because obviously, it was caught with its pants down, necessarily.

Starting point is 00:26:39 How do you think how serious is this warning from Khaled Masha'al? You know, I think anybody that kills babies throws them in fires i would take their threats fairly seriously whether or not the israeli arab's hit on my m in a hotel right now which is hosted probably every president since lindon johnson uh... and there are probably thirty or forty arab israeli is that are working here and don't think for a moment that the guests here at this hotel

Starting point is 00:27:07 We're in thinking one of the possibilities that these guys will take a kitchen knife, you know, and run through the dining room We just heard that in the old city which is right behind me Uh Two people were shot today. So yes, there is a risk. I would say Jerusalem is probably the least risky. We did go to a number of places in Israel today that I would say is a little bit more concerning. The answer is I don't want to dare the terrorist by telling you that I'm not concerned about it. So I'm going to say that I'm hopeful that tomorrow will be peaceful.

Starting point is 00:27:45 I plan on staying here in Jerusalem. We do have added security here. I have a personal detail myself. You know, I have kids, I have a wife, I have parents, they're concerns. I will tell you that is a Jewish American. When I was a young boy, my mother used to tell me that every Jew needs a passport. In case one day they have to run to Israel.

Starting point is 00:28:11 This is the first time in my 55 years where I have actually seen people trying to get past boards to run away from Israel. It's a very sad day for the Jewish people. A lot of us have family members that were in the Holocaust. My mother-in-law was born in a DP camp. My wife lost grandparents from both sides and five children and had a start over again.

Starting point is 00:28:35 And my wife's grandmother has numbers on her heart. She was in Auschwitz. So this is a very scary time. And somebody mentions about proxies, whether it was Iran, with Hezbollah, and so on and so forth. Iran is a wonderful country. The people of Iran are as good as they come. I know Patrick is from there, and if Patrick was an American citizen, I think he could be President of the United States one day.

Starting point is 00:29:03 We've spoken about that. And I think these are bad apple regimes. These are not bad people. There's the Palestinian people for the most parts are good people. I get a little slack sometimes when I say that to my Jewish friends, but the fact is is that they're pigeonholed right now. They don't want to be there anymore than anybody else.

Starting point is 00:29:27 So let's hope for the best. I hope the world understands. One of your guests was made of brilliant observation and a couple days. You're going to see headlines like 25,000 Palestinians died and 2,000 Israelis died and people are going to start doing the math and say, well, that doesn't sound right, but unfortunately, and about a week or two, I'm predicting that the world will forget how this started and it will go back to the basics of it was the Israelis, a apartheid state, so on and so forth. And I hope at least this time with these children that were slaughtered,

Starting point is 00:30:09 these women that were raped, these daughters, sons, I was telling Patrick before that I had just left the house of two parents who lost their son last night. You know, they said goodbye to him last night and that's it. And the funeral was probably gonna be a few hours later, but I hope the world remembers how this began because it is going to end with the full might of the IDF. And the couple of weeks people are gonna forget and they're gonna say, oh, the IDF just real wrote

Starting point is 00:30:47 it these people and hosed them down. But try to remember if you can how this all started. Jason, this is Adam again, one more question for you. Jewish American as well. I love America. I love Israel as well. I was just there three months ago.

Starting point is 00:31:07 I took my mother for the first time in 30 years. She used to live on a kid's boots. She did not recognize the country because she's like, oh my God, it's like the economic growth has been incredible. My question is about BB Netanyahu. When I was there, I saw the protest. Everything that's going on in the Knesset,

Starting point is 00:31:25 the parliament, the Supreme Court, Tel Aviv, super liberal. It was right after their Pride Week, obviously Jerusalem, traditional conservative. The political upheaval is tangible there. You could feel it. So what's the future of BB? Is he, what do the future of beaming is he, what do the people feel about him?

Starting point is 00:31:49 There's conversations that he's sort of turned a blind eye to kind of allow this to happen, so he can sort of gain more power and have more excuses to do anything like this. From your perspective, he's the longest running Prime Minister in Israeli history, I think this is like his fifth term in 16 years. What's the future of BB? I would never bet BB not to nail out. You know, let's go through his history. His brother was a decorated soldier. He lost his life at him, tabby. It was a mission that he ran. He was the only person that was killed in that mission.

Starting point is 00:32:29 It was one of the most heroic events ever in the history of this country. Whether or not he got a head start because of the name recognition, he's a brilliant person, baby, MIT. He was United Nations ambassador. He won an election against Perez. And, you know, I offered him a job once as a headhunter.

Starting point is 00:32:59 Many years ago, he was out of work for a while. We met in the David Citadel. And I remember he told me that the winds can change very quickly in Israel. And that's been his career. His career has had some ups and downs. But you're 100% correct. He's the longest down the Prime Minister. He just passed his 16th year, which is, I believe, three more years than

Starting point is 00:33:26 any other Prime Minister since 1948. And, baby, he's in a quandary right now. You know, they're trying to go after him, trying to indict him, whether or not you believe the indictments are real or bogus. He has had no choice because he himself is pigeonholed to try to change the Supreme Court ruling. So that has caused problems. It's caused a lot of issues with venture capital money that would flow into Israel as well. The liberals are not too happy about it. And there was a tremendous amount of division in this country up until the war started a couple days ago.

Starting point is 00:34:11 My guess is that, you know, is he completely responsible for one piece of offense around the entire country that was breached? I mean, that's how they got in. At the end of the day, yeah, I guess the buck stops with the CEO of the company, but there were probably several people between the foot soldier and the commander in chief

Starting point is 00:34:39 that dropped the ball on this particular one. I think over time, you know, there will be investigations how this happened. These rallies are embarrassed. The same way the United States was embarrassed in September 11th. You know, how did that happen? But we tend to rally around our leaders during wartime. And BB is a survivor. He's lost family members in war and I think he's earned a certain amount of respect similar to a gold star family. And my prediction is that he'll be okay in the ends. And I think the Israelis will rally around him. I'm happy that they were able to do this unity government in the 11th hour.

Starting point is 00:35:25 And when Israelis unite, they're extremely powerful. So that's what Hamas is gonna be up against the United Israel over the next couple of months. And I think when this is over, you'll have a similar outcome to ISIS where they will totally wipe out. You know, you'll be able to Google Hamas and it just won't exist anymore. It'll say something like a former terrorist organization. And be hopeful outcome that will come out of this.

Starting point is 00:35:57 Jason, appreciate your time. Be safe. And I will reach out to you after this podcast over with. Again, thank you for your time. Patrick, thank you as well. Be safe, my friends. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be safe and I will reach out to you after this podcast over with. Again, thank you for your time.

Starting point is 00:36:08 Patrick, thank you as well. Be safe, my friends. Yes, sir. Take care. Thank you. He's in the thick of it. He's in it. He's in it right now. Mike, what do you think

Starting point is 00:36:17 about what he said? Well, first thing is in this to go sound really cynical. And we've heard this from others. They're going to smash Hamas. They're going to destroy. They're going to annihilate it. Look, I spend a lot of time in counter-terror separations.

Starting point is 00:36:30 And that's not how it works. You know, it's not, again, it's not a zero-sum game. So you can degrade, you can emit a gate risk, and you can remove certain targets. But there's some underlying issues here that creates this bottomless well of potential new recruits, right? And it's just, you know, I worry sometimes when they say, okay, or, you know, Netanyahu said it again today, we're gonna crush him, we're gonna destroy him, we're gonna remember him. It's, it's, you know, I don't know, call me cynical, it's not possible.

Starting point is 00:37:00 Why not? Look, ISIS still exists, right? I mean, he referenced ISIS, he said it's gonna be just like ISIS. Or, you know, whatever. Yeah, ISIS is still there, right? And they're still, and they're trying to reconstitute. And we can, I'm not saying you can't do significant damage, right? Part of that is dependent on how solid your, your operational

Starting point is 00:37:25 intelligence is and how quickly you can act on that intelligence. So we can do a great deal of damage, but I would argue that if you want to destroy Hamas, you've got to get rid of the Iranian regime. That's, I mean, that's the head of the snake. And it's not, you know, again, he's absolutely right, but nobody's, nobody's arguing it's Iranian people. It's just like with the G and the communist regime and his lockdown on the people. Nobody's arguing about the Chinese people. They're fantastic, it's social, cultural, great history.

Starting point is 00:37:54 But it's this regime. And the Iranian regime is for, you know, I'm not gonna shift off this position. They're responsible, you know, for the vast, you know, majority of funding for Hamas over the years, it's always coming from Iran, San with Hezbollah, and they've done it for a reason because they've got this ability now to surround Israel

Starting point is 00:38:16 and also they, Hamas knows, Hezbollah knows, if there's stability, like if you got this agreement between the Saudis and Israelis and you got the Gulf states in there and they suddenly, and you get without instability, you know, what is Hamas? Right? What is Hezbollah? And, you know, frankly, what is the Iran in regime? So, but I think you can't take those,

Starting point is 00:38:38 you can degrade them significantly, but you're not gonna, you're not gonna, you're just not gonna remove the core problem. Quick follow up to that, because I fully agree that's where I was going with this. I respect the Jason, but the whole eliminating Hamas, I think is a pipe tree, because Hamas spouted from the Muslim brotherhood,

Starting point is 00:38:59 which came from Islamic fundamentalists, and then has ball up, there's a new group will pop up. You're not gonna, like, if you eliminate Hamas, you're not gonna eliminate the ideology or who's funding the ideology, which is Iran. And look, just to be clear, like, I have, I'm Jewish, I have Arab friends,

Starting point is 00:39:19 I have Muslim friends, I have Christian friends. Like, we do not want war with Islam. Nobody else, the West, this is not the crusades. These are specific sex, so there's what, two billion Muslims in the world, 1.8 billion Muslims. 99% let's say they're good, they want no problem with this. The problem is let's say the 1%, that's 18 million people that are Islamic,

Starting point is 00:39:43 let's just say it's 1%, by the way, that's more than how many Jews exist in the world, 16 million. So from a numbers perspective here, if you just take 1% of 2 billion people, you're talking 18, 20 million people that want death, that want destruction, you're never gonna fix it by just eliminating violence.

Starting point is 00:40:01 Let me read this. Iran's common A.E. hails, Hamas, warrants retaliation could be greater disaster. There's a Washington Examiner story. Khamanai praised Hamas for inflicting an irreparable defeat on Israel, but denied direct responsibility for the attack. Warning that Israel's response could lead to a greater disaster. He stated it is unlikely that the unsurping regime will be

Starting point is 00:40:26 able to use the help of the West to repair the deep impacts that this incident has left on its ruling structures. Questions regarding Iran's role in the Hamas attack have risen with conflicting reports from Hamas report, Hamas sources and Western observers emphasizing Iran's general support for the group. Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has declared an unprecedented military offensive against Hamas and Gaza and characterized it as a clash of civil civilizations. He called for international support stating, in fighting Hamas, Israel's not only fighting for its own people, it's fighting for every country that stands against barbarism. So he's saying this, how many are he saying that?

Starting point is 00:41:05 So if you're saying, okay, you take out Hamas so what, as long as Iran's there, Iran's there. So now you got some people that criticize and because your position sounds like what Nikki Haley said, what Lindsey Graham said, we gotta go after Iran, right? We gotta go attack Iran. Is that kind of what you're saying? Well, yeah, I mean, Lindsey Graham came out and said,

Starting point is 00:41:21 you know, we have to start bombing the oil refineries. And yeah, if you engage in a military conflict and your logical choices are oil refineries and and you know start you know bust in the the their their new facilities For the weapons program, but that's not necessarily what I'm talking about. I'm talking about look we we Had a maximum pressure approach, right? Which it's a little unsatisfactory

Starting point is 00:41:47 and it never really makes regime change necessarily because they just keep tightening the screws on the general population. But I think we've got to do something other than what has been taking place over the past couple of years, right? The Biden administration was very vocal about it. They coming in, it was a brand new day of years, right? Look, the Biden administration was very vocal about it. They coming in, it was a brand new day with Iran, right?

Starting point is 00:42:08 We're getting off that maximum pressure approach. They staffed most of their Iran-focused positions, right, from Robert Malley to a variety of other desk positions at the Pentagon and Statesmen with people who believe that same thing, right? Malley has been very distainful of any sort of maximum pressure approach to Iran. And now mysteriously, as I had his security clearance is pulled, is on suspension, and we're not here

Starting point is 00:42:33 and boo about it from the administration. But that, and then there's this idea, look, they're still going through these contortions. Secretary Blinken said it again today. He said, I just have to correct this misperception somehow that, you know, we've given these $6 billion in unfrozen assets and somehow, you know, they're doing everything possible to avoid the obvious, which is, without Iran's support, training, technical assistance, Hamas would not have gotten to a position where they could accomplish what they did, right,

Starting point is 00:43:11 over the weekend. And so they're bending over backwards to, and I get it, you know, nobody wants, as you pointed out, direct military conflict, right, with Iran. We would like to find other ways to make this happen. But every time an administration tries to approach and deal with Iran and offer, you know, they get kicked in the ass by the Iranian regime.

Starting point is 00:43:34 So at some point, what do you do? Well, okay, first of all, we take away this $6 billion. That's something we can accomplish here in the next 10 minutes. And then we actually get serious again about oil sanctions and we put the screws down on them. It's the only time, the only time they ever, you know, acquiesce or start to act as if they're going to do it, it's when you, I hate to say it, but when you've really screwed them down.

Starting point is 00:44:01 And otherwise they're just going to engage in this. I'm not saying they drew up the operational plan, but I guarantee you, there were liaisons personnel within the IRGC that are assigned to deal with Hamas and Hezbollah who were very aware of all of this. What do they fear? Meaning, we talk about Iran as if they're untouchable. Meaning you can't go to war with Iran, it's gonna start this. Oh my God, we can't let them enrich the nuclear weapons because they're gonna do this,

Starting point is 00:44:29 but we can't pull out of it because it sounds like there's no options. It almost sounds like we're in the nuclear deal, we're out of the nuclear deal. John Kerry's going there, Trump pulls out, like it sounds like we have no uniformity whatsoever and they're almost untouchable. So, if you're, like from your perspective,

Starting point is 00:44:48 or even paths for seconds, oh, what do they fear? The Ayatollas, the IRGC that you're talking about, what do they fear the most? Well, I think I let Pat talk about that, but I would jump in just for a second and say, I think they fear the same thing that G fears, same thing that Putin fears. They fear losing control of the population, right?

Starting point is 00:45:08 And I would argue that they're a sizable part of the population that is, again, not inclined towards the Iranian regime, but have few options. But that's what they fear. They fear losing control. G spends, you know, every day trying to figure out how do I, you know, not have that happen. And there's, you know,

Starting point is 00:45:30 it's not an insignificant amount of protests to take place inside of China that we never hear about. And, and, and that's their number one fear within that the CCP is, is, is that I would argue the same thing with the Iranian regime. They just want power. They want control, you know, and they envision themselves. They they want to be the undisputed undisputed and talking like President Bush. They want to be the undisputed, you know, regional leader, obviously Saudi as other views on that, but it is incredibly complex. I mean, they're Roddy and President just had a phone call with the MBS over in Saudi to talk about what's going on in Gaza.

Starting point is 00:46:13 And you think, really, because I'm pretty sure one of your objectives here was to screw over that potential, you know. He's treaty with Israel. Yeah, of course. You're talking about that. This is from You know, he's treaty with Israel. Yeah, of course. You're talking about that. This is from Daily Mailer, Ronz president, Saudi crime prince.

Starting point is 00:46:30 Hold their first ever phone call, Iranian president, Reisi, and Saudi crown prince, Mohammad bin Salam, Salman, engaged in their inaugural phone conversation, focused on the recent Hamas attack in Israel, Reisi affirmed the need to end war crimes against Palestine, while a Saudi crown prince declared the kingdom is making all of it first possible

Starting point is 00:46:49 to stop the ongoing escalation. Reiterating Saudi Arabia's stance against targeting civilians in response to Iran's reported support for Hamas. U.S. President Joe Biden issued a stark warning stating, we made it clear to the Iranians be careful. He disclosed details of a new arm shipment to Israel, including interceptors for the Iron Dome defense system and ammunition for the Israeli defense force following an attack by Hamas

Starting point is 00:47:14 militants that resulted to an over 1200 casualties. So that phone call looks like Saudi is playing kind of like trying to keep everybody happy with the deal. Hey, we were about to have a deal with Israel. We were about to make them official, but we still can't lose our relationship with Hamas, with Palestine. And he's trying to play both sides. And I don't know how successful he can be doing that. Yeah, I agree with that.

Starting point is 00:47:40 That strikes me. It's a very dangerous game. And I think MBS is a very savvy individual, but he's gonna, at some point, he's gonna have to make a decision here. I would argue that, look, Saudi legitimately would like to have normalized relations with Israel, right? It's just going forward, it makes good sense.

Starting point is 00:47:58 As would, I would say also the Gulf states, I would think would feel the same way, but. Why? Why would Saudi or the Gulf states want to have a normalized relationship with Israel? You know what? I think they would put development, economic development, stability, which also promotes economic stability ahead of, you know, kind of this constant regional conflict, which goes back to the Bronze Age.

Starting point is 00:48:22 So yeah, which, again, this is probably why it won't happen because it goes back to the Bronze Age. So, yeah, which, again, is probably why it won't happen, because it goes back to the Bronze Age. We're starting to see more and more and more since MBS, and the Jamal Kashoghi thing, horrible. Horrible. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:38 And I mean, the 9-11, whatever the inset, but it would seem that MBS is trying to do a PR campaign, whether it's real or actually, you know, a facade, to sort of re-enlighten the world on what Saudi Arabia is, right? So as you see Iran becoming more of a social, international pariah, you're starting to see Saudi Arabia, talk about these peace treaties, talk about arms deals with the United States. You see what they're doing in the sports PR world.

Starting point is 00:49:07 They started to live golf thing. You're starting to see them buy sports franchises. MBS is basically come out and said, yeah, we are doing that to ingratiate ourselves into the real world. We've seen the economic success of the UAE. Saudis like, all right, well, we've got oil money too. Like, why be a pariah when we can be a player and there's also this they they

Starting point is 00:49:28 Need to well we need them but they want to be a counterbalance to Iran. So Yeah, the end of the day doesn't it be who've them to Treat or Enable Iran to be that social pariah and prop themselves up, look, look, we're not that bad. Good use of the word behoove. I love doing my love when he used the big words. So Mike, with all the stuff that's happening with the prisoner trade, we throw in

Starting point is 00:49:55 the Biden administration throws in six billion dollars, which is ridiculous. How much do you think of what's happening falls on the fact that we do have such a weak leader. Like because they know, you know, they're not going to really press them that hard. I mean, think about it. They know that we're Israel's number one ally, but you're still doing some stuff like that. How much does that come into play when you're making decisions to go attack and do all this?

Starting point is 00:50:18 I mean, I'm pretty sure they look at the big picture. They're not just going to just kill. There's something deeper than that isn't it? well yeah i think there's it doesn't help when as pat had you have a service back and forth in policy and you know and and i think there's this inconsistency in in u.s. positions and and so i think also that this this soft approach on a run uh... you know frankly caused a lot of concern within the Saudis and also the Gulf States.

Starting point is 00:50:48 So, okay, where is the U.S. going here? What are they doing? What's their intention? So, I don't know. But as far as Iran's intentions, I think it's a destabilization of the region. They don't view themselves as coming out on top in a region that is increasingly peaceful and stable. So they would see themselves being further and further isolated. I suspect a regime, again, I'm talking about. But I think the problem's

Starting point is 00:51:17 going to be, and Jason talked about it, you know, saying, hopefully in a couple of weeks or three or four weeks, when casualties, that people will remember, hopefully in a couple of weeks or three or four weeks when Casualties that people will remember what happened. I'm not an optimistic person sometimes And I don't think people are gonna remember how this all kicked off Yeah, and by the way Adam that you your Adam your number was how many how many billion Muslims in the world one point eight billion And you said a 1% of the population are just hate, like radicalize. Shum would say that's a low number.

Starting point is 00:51:50 I was going to say Pat, the member of the Bill Mar podcast, 25% is what we're talking about. Let's say 20 to 25 could serve it. That's a conservative number. That is hundreds of millions of people that are just like, you're not going to change their mind. It's just hate, get rid of them. And so I was just trying to make a point that that number,

Starting point is 00:52:09 that you're beyond concern. And so by the way, let's play, okay, let's be positive. Let's know we can fix this. Let's go. All right, so if you got hundreds of millions of people, tens of millions of people, with that level of hate or belief, like for example, if you read the charter, if you read Hamas' charter, 1988 versus the 2017 charter, their original charter, you know what it says?

Starting point is 00:52:33 If he can pull it up, Rob, I don't know if you have it or not. If you don't have it, I'll just read it to you. This is when they get their first one pass. This is their charter. This is what like their bill of rights, okay? Let me read you their bill of rights. Here's Hamas' bill of rights to OG one, the 1988, which is what like their bill of rights, okay? Let me read you their bill of rights. Here's Hamas's bill of rights to OG one, the 1988, which is what, 35 years ago.

Starting point is 00:52:50 What they were founded on, they're founding, original founding point. So the complete, it's four themes, number one. The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law, Sharia law. Number one, number two, the need for both unrestrained and unseizing holy war, jihad, to attain

Starting point is 00:53:17 the above objective. Point number one, number three, the deliberate disdain for and dismissal of any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land. Number four, the reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnes married to sinister conspiracy theories. Okay. I mean, these are true believers that believe them. I keep the same mind.

Starting point is 00:53:43 So that's what they believe in. When you raise your kids, if you're a bears fan, your kids are probably a bears fan. You're a lakers fan, they're a lakers fan. You're this most of the time, religion believes is gonna be the same, right? Okay.

Starting point is 00:53:55 Now this is what's interesting about this. This is why I had the conversation. Is there haven't more kids per woman than any other religion in the world, okay? So whatever this number is, it ain't going away. It's going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. By 2050, you can, you think right now, look, oh my god, look who's the Senator Congress Muslim this month. See 2050, it's going to be like 20, 30, 40, 50, hundreds It's gonna be like 20, 30, 40, 50, hundreds involved right now in the last midterms election 82 or 83 Muslim elected officials. City Council, not necessarily Congress and Senate, but just different positions that they

Starting point is 00:54:34 got. From a competitor myself, I respect how competitive they are to win the war of them being able to get everybody to be baptized in their way of living, okay, in their way that they view the world should be, right? The laws that they follow. These are not people that are playing around. So when you're saying numbers like that,

Starting point is 00:54:58 this is not gonna slow down any time soon. So what do you do? Okay, you killed 20,000 Palestinians and Hamas. All right. Say you kill 50,000. Say you kill 100,000. And then what do you do? Okay.

Starting point is 00:55:14 They got 2.1 million people living in Gaza, by the way. And zero is zero is real. It's 2.1 million Palestinians. And to your point, about a million of those are young kids. Young kids. 50% unemployment. And I don't know if it's NATO or who gives them money,

Starting point is 00:55:27 you under somebody, give somebody, $720, $730 million. And they say the money doesn't end up going to the people. They keep it at the top and they go by weapons. So this is kinda like, hey, you should kinda get rid of the blockade because you're not allowing business to come through here. And Israel says, no, we're not removing a blockade. Matter of fact, we're gonna shut it down right now for and Israel says, no, we're not removing a blockade.

Starting point is 00:55:45 Matter of fact, we're gonna shut it down right now for water and food, but somehow some way, they're getting food and, you know, shelter, they're getting food and water to these guys. Here's a point. Number one, is this ever gonna stop, okay? You know, preventative, so let's just say preventative, right? You buy life insurance, not because you're gonna die tomorrow.

Starting point is 00:56:04 You buy it because what? Guarante not because you're gonna die tomorrow. You buy because what? guaranteed you're wrenching gonna die. Yeah, you have aeration right? You know, you get on auto insurance not because you're gonna get into an accident tomorrow because The possibility if it happens you're protected right. Yeah, what is insurance right now? Okay? My concern right now is It's it's easy to want to retaliate. Trust me, there's different parties involved. Palestinians, they're going to give their argument, which is what? How come you're not sharing our side of the story? Did you not see the father that's walking out with the daughter and

Starting point is 00:56:34 they can? Did we see all of that? And it's heartbreaking. Okay, then you hear the story of Israeli who are Israeli Americans who are here versus Israelis who are in Israel, left and right. To one side, let's destroy them all. Let's get rid of them. Let's make this all our land. Let's make it. You can only be Israeli to come back to the holy land and this is it, right?

Starting point is 00:56:58 The other side is like, well, no, let's kind of figure out a way to negotiate with them. Then there's everybody else in the world that's not directly involved with it. You're not Palestinian, you're not. Or you maybe you're a Christian living in America. Maybe you're a Mormon living in whatever, Brazil. I don't know what you're saying. They're saying, look, this is... This is a Brazilian Mormon, Brazilian.

Starting point is 00:57:15 You live it or not. I made a Cuban Bahá'í, which is kind of weird. Bahá'í Cuban. Yeah, apparently there's a Bahá'í church in Cuba out of all places. But the point, the question masking is, okay, so first starts there, and then all of a sudden residual effects, da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da How do you prevent from that happiness, right? That's the concern. So I don't think any of this is gonna be slowing down

Starting point is 00:57:48 But do I think they're gonna retaliate and they're gonna do something? Yeah, I think so. How bad is it going to be? I don't know 20,000 50,000 100,000. I don't know whatever that number is You're gonna get retaliation from the other side. You'll definitely get retaliation. I think where it could go, one scenario is what's happened in the past. Look, they retaliate and then numbers start to rise, meaning casualties. And Israel will stop.

Starting point is 00:58:20 They typically will say, look, don't preach to us about morals, right? Because look what happened over the weekend, as a point. But I think usually what would happen is the US allies would have a off-the-radar very serious conversation at a certain point. When it starts to look like, look, we is, you know, we got to stop because you're risking fissures in the support that exists for Israel. And at that point, typically, you know, that's one of the Israeli government back off and say, okay, we've done what we need to do. And they'll draw a line and say we've accomplished our goal. And frankly, you're, again, you're not, I didn't, you know, maybe I'm wrong, but you're not going to destroy Hamas, but they will get to a certain

Starting point is 00:59:05 point, that pressure will build, and they'll issue a statement that basically says we have degraded, we have crushed, then we have done whatever. However they're going to have to frame it, right? And then Hamas will do what they do, and they'll release, you know, their PR statements and say, yeah, look, you know, you couldn't do it. You know, look how many civilians killed, and by the way, we're still here. And it'll just keep going like it's been going since, yeah, turn of the century. I mean, yeah, yeah, you go back to whatever, what we want. Like, like, the, you know, Pat used the word that I think is very important,

Starting point is 00:59:38 the residual effect. Okay, so the last big dust up here was in 05, the disengagement, everything there. There's been, yeah the set puts in the note out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's about to get ugly right now, the residual effect. So let's say it takes, you talked about unemployment, a million of the two million are younger people. Yeah. So let's say there's this episode is brought to you by Wealth Simple.

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Starting point is 01:01:30 There's no teams. There's no sports. There's no idols to look up to. I'm not looking up to Michael Jordan, let's say, or Ronaldo or Messi or Gretzky, whoever it is, who they look up to are these freedom fighters. We call them terrorists, but they call them freedom fighters. Well, sure, they're martyrs in their own community. Of course.

Starting point is 01:01:47 And there's generational hate. It just gets, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's passed along because yeah, I mean, the trauma in Imagine Kids, again, you know, and, and we have to be more, I don't want to say sophisticated because I'm not sophisticated, but you, you, you have to be more complicated in your thinking. And we, we're not, right? We tend not to, particularly here in the States where you got three minutes to cover a new story

Starting point is 01:02:09 and everything's superficial. And then you can have real empathy for the five or six or seven or eight year old or a teenage or living in Gaza, right? And the terrible conditions and there doesn't seem to be where is the future? Where is it going to lead? How do I make my life better?

Starting point is 01:02:28 You can have those thoughts while still being absolutely disgusted, right? And it's some core of your being saying, no, we gotta have some revenge here for the horrible things that Hamas does, right? And again, putting their own people at risk because that's how they survive, that's how Hamos keeps going.

Starting point is 01:02:45 But, you know, typically we don't do that. Typically we don't have really layered conversations, but you can have two competing thoughts in your head at the same time. But at the end of the day, this is sort of the quagmire that everything comes down to is that, you know, everything comes down to polarity, right? Like, you know, the sun and the moon, right?

Starting point is 01:03:03 Man and woman, it's complete opposite. You know, I think it was MLK that famously said, you don't fight darkness or hate with more hate. You do it with love. You do it with sunshine, all that fun stuff. But even if you do a PR campaign of love, like Pat pointed out, they're founding principles are you're annihilating? Yeah. yeah. So how do you love someone? And hey, listen, we can get along, we can do this. They're just like, yeah, I still want to kill you. Yeah, no, that point of view from Hamas point of view, Haspelas point of view is if you accommodate Israel,

Starting point is 01:03:33 yeah, like a citizen of, or not a citizen, but a resident of Gaza, you accommodate Israel, you talk about it, then you're a traitor to Islam. Right, yeah. That's just the fact of the matter in terms of how they were. So yeah, the idea that you're gonna hug your enemy to death there in response to something that they've just done, it's not gonna work.

Starting point is 01:03:56 You were shaking your head as I said that. What was it that you were like? Yeah, you know, like, you got kids, let's just say, okay? Somebody got forbid does something to your kid, okay? Or somebody, your son is 14 years old. He's walking, you guys going to a restaurant together with you, your wife, your two kids. And somebody kills you in front of him at 14 years old.

Starting point is 01:04:25 God forbid. Let me tell you. I mean, that's not gonna leave that kid. Never. So maybe he finds Jesus and he learns to forgive. Okay, now let's take 100 kids who have experienced that. Say 60 of them are like the God. I'm gonna forgive the man and move on.

Starting point is 01:04:45 You see these videos and their viral videos where the person who killed the person's kid comes and hugs them and is like, oh my God. Okay, great. But 40 of them, they, I'm not gonna be like that, bro. Okay, why do you think revenge videos do, movies do so well, freaking.

Starting point is 01:05:01 What's the, they're not Daniel Delewis. What's the other guy that keeps doing revenge movies, taking two, taking eight, taking 40. What is happening? What's the then not Daniel Delewis? What's the other guy that keeps doing revenge movies taken to taking taking boardy? What is that? What's the guy's doing? Liam Nees. How many takings do we need to do? Hey, you know what it tells you?

Starting point is 01:05:12 It tells you freaking the world loves revenge movies because they want to seek vengeance. Why do they keep making these movies? Because we relate to one movie that the old one Mel Gibson did where the bad guy walks into the apartment and his son starts peeing and he looks at us. I don't know if you remember that scene. He looks at us on his son is peeing. It looks like the guy he realizes to kill her and then he changes the behavior to get a hold of this guy. What is the call? Ransom. Ransom. It's the move. Ransom. Good for you. Let's go.

Starting point is 01:05:40 Even a gladiator, right? My name is Maximus. That's who. John, I have my revenge. Glad you. Mad on fires. You really memorize it. Some of the greatest movies of all time are revenge. So what does this mean? This ain't never stopping.

Starting point is 01:05:54 No. It is never, because, by the way, by the way, can I interrupt and just say, we also can't leave out Charles Bronson and Death Wish. You can. That's not me. No.

Starting point is 01:06:03 No. No. No. No. Our apologies to the Charles Bronson and Deathwish. You can't. No, that's not me. No, no, no. No, no, no. For her enough, our apologies to the Charles Bronson. Yeah, we apologize. We apologize. We apologize. We have to be happy with the entire podcast. But the point is, this ain't never gonna stop. No. So the only thing you can do is like, listen, there's nothing you can do about dying,

Starting point is 01:06:19 what you could do is delay when you're gonna die. Okay. So, okay, if you eat ice cream every day, smoke two packs of cigarettes a day, you drink every day. You're increasing the chance of dying earlier. If you got blood pressure, you got all this other stuff you're dealing with. And if you take care of your health, your exercise, you eat good diet, you're extending how long you could live.

Starting point is 01:06:41 If your job's not a risky thing, but no matter what, the same a way. So everything, so then what becomes a solution? Here's the only solution I think of. Honestly, the only solution I think about is the follow. If you really unpack this, what is the only solution? There's only one solution. Okay. Is hardcore putting the fear into your enemy, earning respect and being gentle where you don't have to raise your voice. If they fear you, if they respect you, and you set the tone of who you are, and you're not an asshole about it,

Starting point is 01:07:19 then you're kinda like, all right, cool. We know you got power. We know if you crossed the line with you, you can annihilate us. But we like you, respectful. Let's figure out a way to coexist. But we can't mess with you, right? This is leading with strength. This isn't anything new that we're talking about, right?

Starting point is 01:07:38 There's leaders that led the way and created peace and a society or a nation or a country or a city or a region by having a strong military in a nation or country or city or region by having a strong military. You know, I don't hope, but why do people move to Idaho? Because Idaho leads a thing one to top, what do you call a license to carry. Everybody's got to know what other numbers is. That's right. Crime is low.

Starting point is 01:07:58 I dare you. You go to a restaurant. If there's a hundred people there, probably 50 of them have a gun with that guy. But he's stupid. Don't be stupid. Nobody's jacking the stinker gas station. Somebody's carrying it. Yeah, and then you go to Chicago,

Starting point is 01:08:13 and guess what, you're in a restaurant with a hundred people in there. The 20 people that have guns, they just got out of jail, and they got it illegally. And guess what, they can ruin your life. So which place would you rather live? So I think the only way this gets me more thinking about,

Starting point is 01:08:29 again, where we live. You see the iron dome. You're like, huh, what a great thing. By the way, you know how much they spent on the iron dome, 210 million dollars, that's all it was. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy, right? 210 million dollars.

Starting point is 01:08:38 Two thousand, I think was 2006, 2007, the whole thing with, you know, Hezbollah's coming from Lebanon. They're like, okay, we got to build an iron dome u.s. even helped it and I've been searched here that Rob checked with you how many iron domes we have in America it says to but I don't know if we have iron domes in America I've got I've got one over my compound do you and Idaho yeah wow see the U.S. military has two iron dome batteries that were supplied in late 2020 I don't

Starting point is 01:09:04 know if we have iron domes. I mean, we have laser. Maybe we should use our diplomatic and friendly relationship, but Israel help us. Did you say we have lasers? You said we have laser. If we have lasers, how the hell couldn't we laser down a freaking balloon for hours? We have laser. We have to let it go through to the free-appetizer. We actually do have lasers, but I laser pat we have to let it go through to the We actually do have lasers, but I'm sure we have lasers, but if we do They're freaking heads and I ask you guys a question myself. I mentioned you got the reference right?

Starting point is 01:09:35 I want sharks with freaking laser that's awesome powers Before we shift gears can I just about the old beer. Before we shift gears, can I just let us follow up? Okay, okay, okay, I'm staying on the topic. Pat, you bring up a good point with like how you solve this. So the unemployment thing, is it 50%? It's 50% in God's hands. Okay, look, I think especially,

Starting point is 01:09:55 and by the way, some say that's a low number. Right, so you know, what's the unemployment rate in the United States right now? 3.5% you know, how are we gonna get down to 3%? Oh my God, during COVID it went up to 20% whatever it was. We have no idea what it's like to wake up and literally, there it is, 3.8%. Have no job, no career, no skill set, you pray,

Starting point is 01:10:15 you're with your family, respect. But don't discount, not that you guys are, don't discount the importance of work and earning and what it does for giving you a purpose and giving you meaning, giving you a whole and also the concept of making yourself better. That's a human thing. 100%.

Starting point is 01:10:32 And it's so essential to having purpose. So what's the GDP of Gaza? What do they produce? I don't know. But if I'm them, you know, talk about selling the dreams, selling hope, you know, you can look at a little country in the Middle East like the UAE, Dubai, everything that goes on there. Where were they? 50 years ago. Piece of, piece of sand. So when you can give hope to people and say, you don't have to be 50% on employment.

Starting point is 01:11:05 You don't have to be the purveyor of terrorism. You don't have to just think about death and destruction and retribution your whole life. There's a better plan out there because what you're doing is a road to nowhere. So they do have a blueprint and a template with the UAE, small Gulf states, whether it's Kuwait, whatever, and say, like, when's the last time you heard about Kuwait attacking

Starting point is 01:11:30 anything? Yeah, obviously the first desert storm. But there's a blueprint and there's cases. But they would tell you, Palestinians would tell you, Gaza would tell you, this is the fault of the Israeli folks. This is the fault of the blockade. This is the fault of the land water air This is the fault of the blockade. This is the fault of the land water air blockade that you guys have created and the reason why

Starting point is 01:11:48 we can't have any kind of business being done here. If it wasn't for you guys, if it wasn't for Israel, this wouldn't happen. So now, Israel's mindset, some people are saying, hey, you got 22 Arab nations. Why don't you go to one of them? Choose to go to one of the Arab nations. Can you pull up the Arab nation?

Starting point is 01:12:03 Listen, Rob Algeria, Bahrain, you know, Djibouti, your favorite Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, or Mount Palestine, you know, Qatar, go to one of these. Why don't you go to one of these Arab nations if you feel so, so Israel, some folks in Israel wanted to be just go to complete different, but I tell you, if I'm a president right now, okay? And imagine that $100 billion we spent on Ukraine, okay? Let's take that $100 billion,

Starting point is 01:12:33 bring everybody in that's military folks and make a list of all the threats, okay? One by one by one by one, in every possible way, make the investment to getting everything done. The southern border, done. Above it, whatever kind of protection we give, done. Whatever other things we can do to create an iron dome above the most important places that we have in our country, whatever that is, if it's the financial capital of the world and New

Starting point is 01:13:00 York, boom. If it's, you know, the Pentagon White House, boom. If it's the ports, we gotta protect and Long Beach, Jacksonville, you know, Texas, you know, even a second, boom, protect the ports. Protect the port that we have, we have port in New York around that area, boom, protect it. Everything becomes, do it. Play defense, invest, stack yourself up with your defense where you're so protected,

Starting point is 01:13:29 and then tell everybody what we just did and how we're protected, and don't compromise anybody and everybody. The fact that both the left and the right, can you imagine how stupid this is to be more excited about winning an election as a Democrat, to compromise your border. It is more important for a Democrat to win an election than to compromise the protection of your border act like you care about your people. To the point where even Democrats in New York are turning around and saying we can't afford to do this, Chicago, we can't afford to do this, get them out of our gym, people in Texas,

Starting point is 01:14:03 we can't afford to do this Arizona, we can't afford to do this, California, we can't afford to do this get them out of our gym people in Texas we can't afford to do this Arizona We can't afford to do this California. We can't afford to do this. No, that's okay as long as we do this We can keep winning elections is it your political party over your country Number one if somebody ran right now in 2024 You know will be a big campaign right now Like if the debate that's coming up right now. I'm sure one of them is gonna do hit this message, but my entire campaign would be around strengthening the military, so we don't have to go to war,

Starting point is 01:14:32 and nobody can... I would strengthen the military, the borders, all of that's wrong, especially today at a time like this, Trump hit that message in 2016 when he ran on that. And guess what happened, you know a lot of people wanted? Excess exactly what they wanted.

Starting point is 01:14:44 They wanted the wall, they wanted protection, they wanted to be protected from some of these things, 2016 when you ran on that and guess what happened? You know a lot of people want it. Excess exactly what they want it. They want it to work. They want a protection. They want it to be protected from some of these things, but even more today than before, because 70,000 people from 2021 to 2023 came here who are from Syria, who are from Afghanistan, who are from Iran, who are from Yemen. Everyone.

Starting point is 01:15:02 What are we talking about? Yup. And by the way, if you give, and you mention this, Pat, if you give a hundred million that we were supposed to give to Ukraine, and you would put your billion, you know what's gonna happen? Zalinsi is gonna be on the first flight,

Starting point is 01:15:14 and he's gonna be like, you bought iron what? That's for me. That we can't take. You know what Zalinski would do? You have a heart attack. You know why you're in complying? No, I'm sorry, that was your, your cranium accent. That's like a cranium accent.

Starting point is 01:15:24 You give iron what? That's like a Ukrainian. You give islandom for what? That's for my continent. Just check it. He would go back to be in a phenomenal comedian. That's what he was accessing. Yeah, and I told him, what am I casual question? So I touched on it with Jason about

Starting point is 01:15:37 Khaled Mishal's message calling for tomorrow to be a terror day. Adam did a very, very conservative number 1%. We actually figured it's probably 20%. So you have the 250 million Muslims that actually really, really would do harm to us, cause they actually hate us. Customs and Border Patrol pat mentioned,

Starting point is 01:15:54 1.5 million e-legals have come in here. 70,000 that are, what was it, Pat, special interest illegal aliens? Yeah. So Mike, and not forget the 200 FBI terror watch list folk that we caught. Mike, how? Well, you also have, don't forget,

Starting point is 01:16:10 you also have all the Godaways. So, yeah, we have no idea how many other special interest aliens have crossed. God, so Mike, who knows, right? What do you think, Mike? And not to be, we're not fear, Mogren, we're just being optimistic, bro. Like, I don't want to have our pants down.

Starting point is 01:16:24 I'm like, oh, we don't know what that'll happen. How how concerned are you? What are the odds? Mike that they're they're obviously a shitload of them here You have people like the the machine machine all tired guys saying guys. We need to attack how concerned should we be as America For some something like that going down here. Well, you should always be concerned If you don't have a a a secure border, right? I mean, that, you should always be concerned if you don't have a secure border, right? I mean, that just, you should always be aware of the fact that if we're not controlling and securing the border, which doesn't make you a racist or anti-immigrant, every other nation does it, we just happen to be the ones that apologize for it for some reason or don't

Starting point is 01:17:01 actually do it, then, yeah, the problem is then you don't know where you are on the alert scale because so this call for resistance and however else they want to phrase it, it's a problem because as Pat said, we've had over the past two years, we've had a ridiculous number of encounters with individuals from Lebanon, from Yemen, from Syria, from Afghanistan, from Pakistan, coming over. And yeah, fine. Some of them are looking for a better life. Okay, okay, that goes without saying, but we don't know. And the Biden administration can't tell you. There's some estimates that maybe there's one and a half million Godaways during the Biden administration, right? But that's a complete guess.

Starting point is 01:17:47 In a sense, they're extrapolating on the data that they've collected over the years. So they're just, they're making some assumptions. But yeah, so I think and look, this every time there's a escalation over in the Middle East, you know, the local state, federal, Intel community, everybody gathers together and says, okay, now what's gonna happen? What if, and where's that attack going to come from? And what's the problem?

Starting point is 01:18:12 So that game goes on all the time. There's always table-topping exercises, but the problem is that we don't have of, there's nothing secure about this border at this point. I hate again. I hate to say is it just is it I mean, we're not stupid. It's not because they they're humanitarians. Mike and they give a damn.

Starting point is 01:18:35 My orcas is just sitting there smiling in Congress. He doesn't give a shit. Is it on purpose? Like are they trying to destroy us from within because they can't deny the numbers that we just talked about Mikey. They're here. Yeah. People are here. I don't think it's I mean, I get I don't think they're trying to destroy us from within, because they can't deny the numbers that we just talked about, Mikey. They're here. These people are here. I don't think it's, I mean, I get it.

Starting point is 01:18:48 I don't think they're trying to destroy us from within or anything like that. I'm not necessarily, you know, I don't usually go to that route, but I think that there is sort of a self-righteous sense among a sector of the dem party that says, you know, well, if we do talk about secure borders, it is racist and we're better than that.

Starting point is 01:19:08 And they're just not smart enough to understand, look, you could fix actually and have a fair immigration policy and you could also have a secure border, one doesn't discount the other, but you cannot fix the immigration system until you have a secure border, right? It's not gonna work this time though, Mike.

Starting point is 01:19:22 Because I'll tell you, I fell for it the first time. Guilty, guilty. I mean, to Trump, the Mago, build the wall, make Mexico pay for it, the media, the, the media, he's racist, it's got's going on. It's like we've seen the results right of actually not implementing a more secure border. We've seen the results of not having the wall. We've seen the results of just wide open borders. And now Biden's building some more. Exactly. They laid down the short. Yeah. What we were told, and you know, this is the whole problem, is like people make mistakes,

Starting point is 01:19:54 but you don't double down on your mistake. You say, hey, look, I probably should have, you know, looked into this more like whatever. This is eight years ago, whatever the number was. But the point is, the walls racist, the walls medieval, this is a medieval, doesn't work. This is a medieval solution to a modern day problem, though, oh my god, he thinks all Mexicans are rapists

Starting point is 01:20:14 and drugged it like how many times do they play that? But here's the reality. At the very least, a wall will help secure the border. Or do we want to start helping to secure the border or do nothing? And I think most Americans, if you just sort of frame it that way, they're like, yeah, I don't know. I'm not a fan of Trump, let's say,

Starting point is 01:20:35 but yeah, I'm cool with a wall. I had this conversation with somebody who will remain nameless just a day and a half ago, where we were having this conversation about the wall along the southern border and they said, well, look, it didn't do any good in Israel. You know, you know, most high tech, you know, and all you can do is sit and stare at somebody like, yeah, I'm sorry, but do you imagine that, you know, that's what we're talking about

Starting point is 01:20:58 here. Yeah. Well, that level of breach. Yeah. I'm sorry. You know, as we're talking about these hordes of Latin American people coming in, yeah, migrant workers for the most part to work for the most part. Whereas you have a Hamas literally killing people. So the equivocation there's insane. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've seen a lot

Starting point is 01:21:17 of videos. Thank God to Elon Musk, because now we can see it that there's Americans recording people from China, people from the Middle East. Nobody speaks English. You're like, where are you going? Where are you from? They can't even, they have zero English and they're coming in there and they're young age men with no kids. It's like, what do you, they like have a fake Mexican moustache on and just like their

Starting point is 01:21:39 brown from Afghanistan. But do you speak no Spanish? Rob, what's this? Oh, yeah, go. Just I'd be role footage of people crossing the border illegally into the United States. So what do you think about? So Vivek Ramaswan, he said something. He said, if I was a president, one of the first things I would do, one of the first,

Starting point is 01:21:55 is that a dog? You remember it? Is that a dog? And this doesn't help real quick, then. This doesn't help that, you know, governor Abbott in Texas, he tried to put up these like floats. Yeah. You know what that was?

Starting point is 01:22:07 He's floaties. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, I recorded the federal government said, no, you can't even have that on the Rio Grande River. Well, that was that's tried to do something about this. So like, yeah, sorry, buddy, that don't play this whole deal. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:19 No, they tried to say, look, this is, you know, this is your, the free and fair passage on waterways act, you know, you're, You're breaching that with putting out these barriers. And again, it's true that we have a flawed immigration system, right? And it's true that the country was built on immigration. Oh, fine. You know, none of that's in question. But you can have a controlled and secure border like all the other nations I've been to have.

Starting point is 01:22:49 And I don't see anybody, I mean try moving into Mexico illegally and getting a work permit and benefits. Mike, what do you think about this? Not gonna happen. Vivek Ramaswani said one of the first things that he was, but I'm sorry, I'm still laughing because we saw the dog over, he was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like out of the name, the dog made it. But anyway, the Vex said one of the first things he would do Mike was put, because we have a bunch of people,

Starting point is 01:23:08 a bunch of reservists, bunch of soldiers that are just here, we're not like actively in a crazy war. He would set up, you know, military at the border. Like if we're gonna get serious, wall, okay, I get it, build it, but put up the military to guard it, protect it, and just like enough's enough. I know we deal with people coming in tunnels and shit, but if we want to get serious, guess what?

Starting point is 01:23:30 Let's get the military involved, and you'll know not to just show up, and like what, caravans of 3,000, 5,000, 6,000 people. It's like, we have enough is enough. Well, I think part of it is, I think there's more layers to that, and I don't necessarily agree with Vick about, you know, let's post the military down on the border. Yeah, if

Starting point is 01:23:51 suddenly, you know, the alert goes up and we've got a problem. But in the case that we've got, part of the problem is administration policy, right? And people aren't stupid overseas. They understand when you know, it's a it's a An open situation. You know, they're basically being invited to come in right despite the fact that then they they said no No, we told people don't show up. Well, no, all their rhetoric during the campaign all their talk, you know And all their criticism of Trump's policies. All of that helped contribute to the fact that you had this migration, this large inflow, and you can do that along with then creating a more secure border through physical barriers, through surveillance,

Starting point is 01:24:32 through detection, through ground, there's things you can be doing without saying, we're gonna send the military down there and post up. You can beef up CBP, right? And this would drive the squad on Capitol Hill crazy, but you could beef up CBP, right? And this would drive the squad in Capitol Hill, crazy, but you could beef up ice and CBP. What's CBP? It customs and border protection.

Starting point is 01:24:51 Okay, guys. So we have elements in place that can handle this problem if you allow them to do their job, right? And if you create the necessary infrastructure. So I got empowered, no, how. You've got to empower. You're not doing it. That's the word. They're not feeling empowered.

Starting point is 01:25:08 They're feeling like they're crippled. Like they can't do their job. I want to read two stories that maybe, one of the stories you're hearing a lot of Republicans coming out talking about the six billion dollars for these all this stuff, but I want to read the story. How the Al Aqsa mosque became a flash point in the Israeli Palestine conflict. This is an MPR story, okay? That came out a couple years ago.

Starting point is 01:25:29 Recent attacks by Hamas against Israel, resulting in casualties on both sides. We're partly triggered by Israeli raids around the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. This area has become a flash point due to a longstanding Palestinian grievances. Decades a military occupation in a decade and a half of siege in Gaza Strip, which has left millions of Palestinians living in the difficult conditions according to Joseph Manoyar,

Starting point is 01:25:53 a senior fellow at the Arab Center, Washington DC, in recent years and months, the escalation of violence against Palestinians has been noted by the United Nations and governments throughout the region who've been warning this escalation of Israeli violence against Palestinians going to lead to an explosion in this region. So I don't know if you know this story, I don't know if you're aware of this story, what are your thoughts about this? Yeah. The history of Palestine, the history of the area, right? Again, there's a certain cynicism in the consistency, and it's depressing when you think about

Starting point is 01:26:34 the consistency of all this. And you can go all the way back to, you know, look, the Israelites, right? I mean, again, not to get deep in history, but Israelites controlled Palestine. You know, back, I go to the where ever, the Iron Age. The Romans took over and there was a Jewish revolt. You know, I'm jumping period to period, but I guess the point that when you started reading that, I thought of, you know, the Romans putting down the Jewish revolt and one of the things they did

Starting point is 01:27:01 was they destroyed the Jewish temple, right, which was incredibly important to the Jewish population there at the time. It's always been a flashpoint, so whether you're talking about the Mosque, you're talking, there are certain, not that we were simply, there are certain very few points that surface all the time in this conflict, right? And so I think part of it is, I think people put their, they did just shrug and say, it's never gonna solve itself. So I was thinking about what you were saying about what's the end game or how do you deal with it?

Starting point is 01:27:41 And I think that's the question that has to be asked because we always get locked into these moments. We get locked into the Palestinians and they're concerned over the mosque. We get locked in over the issue of Jerusalem and is it open? I don't know what has to happen to broaden our approach to say at some point we have to solve this because everybody's sitting here agrees. what has to happen to broaden our approach

Starting point is 01:28:05 to say at some point we have to solve this. Because everybody's sitting here agrees, two million people in a space that's maybe a fourth the size of London is not right. So we have, at some point there's gotta be a sea change that says somehow you've got to create something different. If we keep doing this, because I guarantee you, they're gonna finish this operation, somehow you've got to create something different. If we keep doing this, because I guarantee you,

Starting point is 01:28:27 they're gonna finish this operation. They're gonna get vilified the Israelis, I mean. And we're gonna go right back to the status quo. Oh, thanks very much, yeah. I've got something here. If you were to drink the vault. Yeah, that's what I'm mind. You know, if we had a bunch of them,

Starting point is 01:28:41 you could, we have a bunch of them. Rob, do me a favor, just pull up the map of the, that's what I was thinking. Should have had the vault. Pull up a map of the Middle them. Yep, you can, we have a bunch of them. Rob, do me a favor, just pull up the map of that. That's what I was thinking. Should have had the vault. Yeah, pull up a map of the Middle East. But, you know, by the way, the story, the, any mosque that gets blown up, I'm not happy about this. Any church that gets blown up, any, like, there's certain things that I believe are opposite.

Starting point is 01:28:58 So this is, you're kind of almost in Southeast Asia. So just go, punch it on the Middle East. So, okay, so go back out. So this, go punch out just a little bit. So this is what we would call the Middle East, yeah? To your left, you have Egypt. You got Syria. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so this, this is what this is the Arab world, let's say. Now, if you go all the way in, tiny, tiny, tiny, you'll find little, little, old Israel. Okay. I feel like I'm familiar back in middle school. Yeah. But all you get to

Starting point is 01:29:30 important. I love the age. So there's, there's Israel right there to the, to the southern left is the Sinai Peninsula, which they gave back to Egypt after the war. Okay. The Golan Heights, which has been a area of discrepancy. So why am I doing all this? Israel right there, now punch all the way back out. So we're talking about a little tiny fraction of the Middle East, where it's, it pales in comparison to the Arab world. All right, what's my point?

Starting point is 01:30:00 So you have 15 million Jews living in this, little tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny little area, you have two million Gazans, Palestinians living in this little tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny little area. You have two million Gazans, Palestinians living in this little area. And if it's entire Middle Eastern world that empathizes and sympathizes the most part with Gaza. First question. What are you going to do with these 15 million Jews if you do want to expel them? Go there. Go there. You're going to expel these Jews.

Starting point is 01:30:20 Where are they going? Okay. They fled to Israel. Why? Because they were persecuted in Europe, Germany, Poland, Auschwitz, go there, Russia, everything that happened there, whether they were in Morocco, whether they were in Libya, because there's called Sephardic Jews that are from the Middle East,

Starting point is 01:30:38 and there's called Ashkenazi Jews that essentially were from Europe. But how did they end up in Europe? Is because they were expelled from, you called it, the homeland. And you know, Jews have been fighting wars since the Kingdom of Judea and your people, the Assyrians and the Babylonians and the Phoenicians and everything, but this has always been

Starting point is 01:30:54 sort of the Jewish homeland. And it's like you said, the Romans and all this. So my question is this, what's easier to do? If we were just gonna make a deal and had zero emotion in it, you're gonna remove these 15 million people somehow, and where are they going? There's only one Jewish homeland,

Starting point is 01:31:12 one Jewish state in the world. Where are they going? Or you have two million people in Gaza living under dire conditions, and you have an entire Arab world that what won't take them in? Right, I was told. If you're Egypt. I was gonna say the Arab world has, you't take them in? Right, I was Egypt.

Starting point is 01:31:25 I was gonna say the Arab world is, you always have to ask that question, what have they done to actually benefit or help the Palestinian cause? So you can hit on Israel, you can call them in apartheid, stay, you can do all that, but okay, how are you helping Gaza? So when you send them money to create more war,

Starting point is 01:31:41 how do you empower these people? How do you help these people? how do you help these people, how do you have humanitarian aid and take these people in, so it's not just one constant cycle of war. That's all I'm saying here is that there's so much Arab land respect. There's this tiny little thing called Israel,

Starting point is 01:31:58 yet they're the problem, it doesn't add up. Well, they try, I mean, you go back what, 30s, 40s, when they were proposing a two-state solution and every Arab nation that was there at the time voted against it said no not gonna happen you know and the in the The Jewish population was basically behind it's in yellow. Let's do the two- solution. But, you know, so we've been fighting this, or we're seeing the same things over and over again for a long time. So you're right, I mean, those are the,

Starting point is 01:32:33 but I think those are the sort of questions that have to be asked rather than, you know, necessarily, okay, well, how long is this operation gonna last this time around, right? Because there'll be another one. Right. What are the other options? It's like, other than let's kill each other. Right. It's like the pandemic. We're gonna get another pandemic, right? Because there'll be another one. Right. What are the other options? It's like, other than let's kill each other.

Starting point is 01:32:46 Right. It's like the pandemic. We're going to get another pandemic, right? So maybe it would have been smart to demand the transparency from China so that we know how to prevent or at least mitigate the next pandemic. But no, we don't do it. You know, we always get stuck in the small details.

Starting point is 01:33:01 And again, not that this conflict is a small detail, but you know what I mean. And in terms in terms of we got to solve a bigger problem here and I think what happens oftentimes people say well it's always been like this so Jesus you know I will never get a come up with a solution and yeah probably won't I think the only solution is a strong defense and strong offense if you got that in place where the other person knows not to mess with you, great. You know, we had a kid in school, like, you know, in school, the first time somebody tries to bully you

Starting point is 01:33:31 and you hit back and then everybody in school sees it and like, you know what, I'm probably not gonna fight Vinny moving forward. Yeah. It's as simple as that. I'm good. I'm not gonna fight the guy anymore. There needs to be a little bit of that.

Starting point is 01:33:40 But let me read this story about Trump. Trump slams Netanyahu as not prepared for Hamas attack. Okay. Trump strongly criticized Netanyahu, asserting that Israel was not prepared for the Hamas attack. He stated he was not prepared and Israel was not prepared and under Trump, they wouldn't have had to they wouldn't have to be prepared. He also questioned who would have thought their intelligence would have been able to pick this up?

Starting point is 01:34:06 He continued. He revealed this disappointment at the end of his presidency, citing a pivotal moment when Israel backed out of a plan to kill general Soleimani, head of Iran's, Kudz's force, and Trump disclosed, we had everything all set to go. And a night before it happened, I got to call that Israel will not be participating in the attack. He emphasized, I'll never forget that BB Netten,

Starting point is 01:34:31 hot Netten Yahoo, let us down. So, you know, the most unpredictable things comes out, you know, when he said, how do you process this statement here? Yeah. Well, how do you process the fact that, you know, we're gonna end up with Biden and Trump again as our presidential candidates? That's, that's, pay-per-view. Pay-per-view.

Starting point is 01:34:50 Pay-per-view. Wow, that's actually really smart. I mean, you're gonna figure out how to wait up. We're gonna review this 99 bucks. Yeah. Look, I'm at a point where I actually praise Trump on what he's right on, but I'll call Trump out on what I think he's wrong on.

Starting point is 01:35:03 There are certain people that are on one side or the other, and that's how you operate with Trump. Right. But there's something called multilateralism, and there's something called unilateralism. I mean, the definition of unilateralism is, I alone can fix it. You're going to fix the world? Oh, and brush the world one day. I hope you do, buddy. But an ally, like BB, who believe me, was no friend, the Obama administration, a body was no friend to BB. But this is where the whole personal attacks,

Starting point is 01:35:39 and if you're not loyal to him, this is where it kind of falls on deaf ears, where it's like, bro, this ain't about you in Netanyahu or like you alone can fix it. The one thing we need in this world, in this crazy world with North Korea, Iran, Russia, China, are alliances. Now, you want to push away Israel, not that they would,

Starting point is 01:36:02 from America, he's not the sitting president, although Roseanne thinks he's still the You know you're up. You want to you want to drive them away or drive a wedge with them. It's To me it's the personal the name calling the invictiveness is sort of That's that's the part of a Trump that I that some people are just like That's why he lost that that's why he lost the last time all those people were tired of the chaos and they were tired of the yeah The noise Like despite whether they might have liked the the policy said yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, I love that policy

Starting point is 01:36:37 But most people don't vote for policies right? They're not smart enough to vote for policy Yeah, like I'm pretty complicated in this situation, you know what, just silence. You don't have to say anything. You don't need to say anything in this situation. They're dealing with what they're dealing with. The last thing I want is somebody going, hey, if it was me, that's like nobody wants to hear that. But Trump is an opportunist and he's a brilliant worker

Starting point is 01:36:58 and he's gonna take this moment to say, you know. But like, by the way, Pat, if Trump was here with this whole conversation, you guys were talking about the Gaza and the Palestinians, you know, he would say, why did we just take them, bring them to Canada, give them a big piece of Canada? Can you think about it? Canada's not doing shit.

Starting point is 01:37:13 He's like, bring them to Canada, give them a chunk of Canada, why not? That's a lot of Canada. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would say, hey guys, what word, Canada?

Starting point is 01:37:20 By the way, you know, you know, I just read you like, like Trump at 21 years old. Oh my God. If he was in the army, you know, you know, I just read you like Trump at 21 years old. Okay. If he was in the arm, you would say, hey, man, you know, in high school, Adam scored 62 points in a game. He would say 62 points. If I played against him, I would have scored 100 points. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:38 That's it. He's Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite. He's like, how much do you want to make a bet? I throw the ball in my mouth. Yeah. That Donald Trump. not a big deal. Yeah, he's a guy from Dirk Digglery, Boogie Knights, where it's like, so what do you bench?

Starting point is 01:37:50 Oh, I don't know, I'm waiting. What do you bench? I bench 185. What do you squat? I squat about 225, how about you? 230. Oh my God. He always gets one of you.

Starting point is 01:38:01 That is so, am I mean, and I get it, he's trying to say relevant and he feels like he was cheated. But by the way, but, but, but let me, let me give my, my, a part that I relate to him. Okay. The book of the month we have this month is four agreements. Okay. I love that.

Starting point is 01:38:19 You know what the four things are. Dave Morez, yeah. Yeah. What's the book about though? It's about, so it's about keep your word, keep keeping your, keep in your word. Don't like holding grudges. You people, it's for very simple things. I have it on my, I have it on my free.

Starting point is 01:38:32 Yeah, it's, it's phenomenal. Oh, sorry, I got Miguel Ruiz. Yeah, it is. So what are the four agreements? One of them is keep your word. The other one is if you can never self talk negative about yourself or other people. Don't take anything personal. Be impeccable with your word.

Starting point is 01:38:50 Don't make assumptions. Always do your best, right? Easy, easy. You know, for the last 14 years, if I worked with anybody and I go and look the last 20 some years, okay? And I look at where conflicts has been, in my, for me personally, with relationships I've had, with direct reports of people that get paid very well

Starting point is 01:39:12 to do their job, you know what's the number one thing? Not 90% of the conflicts, a person didn't keep their word. Okay, so now, somebody could say, who gives people, you're such a stichler and let it go. People are not perfect. Totally get it. That's the wiring, okay? That's the wiring.

Starting point is 01:39:30 I am this guy. I've been like this for 44 years. I'm my father's son. My father got forbid. If you told him a month ago, the next time you come, you're gonna bring him a bottle of Topicicoh. Oh, you're done. If you show up without Topicicoh, do you know what he's

Starting point is 01:39:49 gonna do to you all night at dinner? Why did you bring it? He can never keep his word. No, no. Vinnie never, I ask him for one thing. I ask him for one thing, one thing. One thing, all of this stuff I do for him, for one thing, he doesn't bring me Topicicoh.

Starting point is 01:40:02 Yeah. You know who Trump is? Netanyahu didn't bring him Topicicoh. That's it, him to a pitch, he said, let's go do some solid money. By the way, another guy, the day before we started a company, it was a guy that said, hey, Pat, you and I are going together, we're going to run this company to get insurance company. You know what he does the night before we're about to start it? He backs out.

Starting point is 01:40:20 For at my wedding, he's telling everybody we're starting a company, at my wedding, one of my groomsman and I'll son now I'm back in out because you know I'm gonna make sure you don't get sued and he was afraid. Wow. He was worried of course We're gonna get sued yeah you becoming a direct competitor Yeah, and you gotta see what we can do from there. Let's roll right and I'm boom We have to do what we did but the moral the stories I understand what he's saying I get the fact that if behind closed doors, you said you're gonna be part of this guy, so I'm so lemony, so I'm not the only guy that takes it.

Starting point is 01:40:50 But this department, you gotta respect this guy. Can you bring up the one scene Rob with, Trump's sitting there with Schumer and Pelosi? These are the kind of things that I value. I love this. This is what I respect. I mean, you can say whatever you want, I respect brass balls.

Starting point is 01:41:06 When he says, you don't want to take the blame, I'll take the blame. I'll take the blame. I'll take the blame. Can you find this clip prop? It's one of the best clips out there. It's Pelosi's tour. Because he brought the media.

Starting point is 01:41:18 And in front of media, he says, I so don't give a shit about you writing negative things about me that I'm going to tell these two people that are chickens, they're worried that they're going to write about them, I'm going to say I shut it down. And then the rest of the world's like, hopefully shit, this guy actually pulled it off. And he didn't have the whole press core in there. So that's the part, boy, I understand like for me, I'm saying, okay, this the one, if

Starting point is 01:41:40 you can make the hobby, this thing, by the way, how many minutes is it? Now go, okay, so go on the minutes where you see, if you go on the graph, no, no, no, go on the graph on the time, right there. You see where the tension side right, click right there. What the mountain is. Yeah, click right there and press play. Oh, here we go.

Starting point is 01:41:55 Come on. Volume, so let's see if we can find it on Twitter. It is such an powerful, but here it is. Press play. Good as that, if not better. So we've done a lot of work on the wall. A lot of wall is built.

Starting point is 01:42:07 A lot of people don't know that. A lot of wall is renovated. We have walls that were in very bad condition that are now in A1 tip-top shape. And frankly, some wall has been reinforced by our military. Our military is done a fantastic job. So the wall will get built. But we may not have an agreement

Starting point is 01:42:26 today. We probably won't. But we have an agreement on other things that are really good. Nancy, would you like to say something? Well, thank you, Mr. President. The President. The opportunity to meet with you so that we can work

Starting point is 01:42:37 together in a bipartisan way to meet the needs of the American people. I think the American people recognize that we must keep government open, that a shutdown is not worth anything. And that will treat us. Okay, she's drawing on the contract. 20 seconds away, watch, it's coming. She's drunk, Pat.

Starting point is 01:42:55 I'm shocked, I'm shocked. You have a White House, it's going to go on. You have the Senate, you have also representatives, you have the votes. You should pass that. No, we don't have the votes. That's you. Because in the Senate, we need 60 votes. And we don't have. We could bring it up right now.

Starting point is 01:43:08 But I can't, excuse me, but I can't get it passed in the House if it's not going to pass in the Senate. I don't want to waste money. Well, the fact is, you can get it started that way. The House we can get passed very easily. And we do. But the problem is the Senate because we need 10 Democrats to vote. And they won't vote.

Starting point is 01:43:24 Look at Mike Pence. The point is that there are equities to be weighed. But the problem is the Senate because we need 10 Democrats to vote. And that's not the point. Look at Mike Pence. The point is that there are equities to be weighed. And we're here to have a conversation, careful way. So I don't think we should have a debate in front of the House. She doesn't, he doesn't care. But the fact is that the government has to talk a little to the entire media, come in the meeting and set the top.

Starting point is 01:43:43 I love this. Nobody's done that. Which administration would do this? We would do it immediately. We would get it passed very easily in the House. That's not. We would get it. Nancy, I'd have it passed in two seconds.

Starting point is 01:43:53 It doesn't matter, though, because we can't get it passed in the Senate, because we need 10 Democrat votes. That's good. Let us have our conversation. No. We'll be the press again. But the fact that we have the Then we'll meet with the press We do you

Starting point is 01:44:07 We do about 27 you can do that Contrary to the owner's School of youth as well because I found the clip where he says it because it's when him and Schumer are going at it Schumer is looking so I love He's about to have a heart attack. Well, I found a shorter clip. He looks like Mr. Burns. I found a shorter clip But it's important. Jack, did you want to say something? No, I'm not. We have a lot of disagreements here. The Washington Post today gave you a whole lot of pinot kiosks

Starting point is 01:44:33 because they say you constantly mistake how much the wall is built, how much of the wall is built, and how much is there. But that's not the point here. We have a disagreement about the wall, whether it's effective or not. Not on board of security, but on the wall. We do not want to shut down the war. Washington, whether it's effective or not, on board of security, but on the war, we do not want to shut down the government. You have called 20 times to shut down the government. You say, I want to shut down the government.

Starting point is 01:44:53 We don't. We want to come to an agreement. If we can't come to an agreement, we have solutions that will pass the House and Senate. Right now, and we'll not shut down the government, and that's what we're urging you to do. Not threaten to shut down the government because you're just in it. Let me just finish.

Starting point is 01:45:09 Let me just finish. First, you can't get your way. Let me say something Mr. President, you just say my way or will shut down the government. We have a proposal that will Democrats and Republicans will support to do a CR that will not shut down the government. We urge you to take it. And if it's not good border security, I won't take it. It is take it. And if it's not good border security, I won't take it. It is very good. And if it's not good border security, I won't take it.

Starting point is 01:45:29 It's what the board. Because when you look at these numbers of the effectiveness of our border security, and when you look at the job that we're doing, you just said it is effective. Can I be, can I tell you something? Yeah, you just said it's effective. Without a wall, these are only areas where you have the walls. Do you have walls, Chuck? It's effective. When you don't have walls. It is not a fash cameras on the space guys

Starting point is 01:45:49 I love it. We've come in here. My pants are sleeping with his eyes open by the whole little bit more forward And it's the same board you're breaking Again, yes, we do we do today we get along And it's the same for your bragging about this. We can build them again. Again? Yes, we do. Good, we do. See, we get along. Thank you, everybody. You know what he did at the end that we missed?

Starting point is 01:46:13 He says, I'll take the responsibility. We'll go ahead and shut it down. Forget about it. I'll go ahead and do it. So for me, a part of me is when I see him being so maniacal and detailed about remembering, dude, you know what kind of enemy you don't wanna face the guy that remembers every freaking thing you did.

Starting point is 01:46:33 You know how annoying of an enemy it is, but you know what's a good thing about an enemy like that when he's on your side. Bill, I remember. When a guy like that is on your side, representing you complicated personality, they tend to be unpredictable and the enemy doesn't like that. But what about, so he's coming up, it by all accounts, it looks like he's going to be the nominee, right?

Starting point is 01:46:55 So in your opinion, the people that didn't vote for him the last time, which is why he didn't get reelected, are they going to come back in, or how's the math work this time around? Okay, you wanna go through that, let's go through that. Okay, how many people voted for Biden? 81 million? I've been told. Okay, so let me ask you this,

Starting point is 01:47:16 let me ask, of course, CIA, you for sure know the exact count. You guys counted it. Yes, Mike. Yeah, I've got it right here in my mouth. So, here's a question for you. Out of the 81 real people, of course, is our real. Out of the 81 million people that voted for Biden, how many of them are still gonna vote

Starting point is 01:47:32 and how many of them are having buyers remorse? Well, see, that's the reason I asked that question is because I think if there was, if there was, the dynamic here, or the wild card, is that it's Trump again, right? I think there's no way the Dems win if it's not Trump running Because I think people are gonna have buyers remorse with Biden and we're and the tendency is always you get this this flip flop and going on So but the problem is with Trump and again look I

Starting point is 01:47:58 Policies I like the policies right I had no problem with the policies actually question pretty though Let's play straight up. It is trumped a Biden. Okay. It is trumped. How many of the 81 million people that voted for Biden have buyers, remorse, and are not going to vote for him again. Yeah. I'm not saying they're going to vote for Trump, but they may go independent, libertarian, or sit this one out. I'm not saying they're going to vote for him.

Starting point is 01:48:22 I think the likelihood there is they sit it out. Yeah. It's a, but yeah, I, you know, I, what do you think? Give it take. Listen, no one's, you're not gonna be held accountable to this and your CIS is gonna take. It's Trump, you know, it's Trump and so I'd say because of his polarizing abilities,

Starting point is 01:48:37 I, I think the number is gonna be low. I think, yeah. What do you think it is? You know, seven percent. Seven percent is Trump's winning. That's the way. I go at 7%. That's the case.

Starting point is 01:48:49 It's over. I mean, just so you know that. But let's go lower number. Let's say 4 million. That's 5%. Okay. It's 4.8%. If you do 4, okay.

Starting point is 01:48:58 Okay. So we go 778 million. Okay. Fine. Of the people, and by the way, I think there's going to be, uh, the seven percent is going to be the right number. I think it's going to be around 75 million to 77 million votes this summer on. I think a lot of people are going to sit this one out. They're not vote for Trump. Now, but they're going to sit this one out and they're not going to vote for RFK.

Starting point is 01:49:17 Some of the liberals that are pro vaccine, they're not going to do our RFK. But I think RFK is going to take some from Biden and it's going to take some from Trump. Okay. Now, of the people who are the middle ones, the people that matter the most, independent ones, the Republicans, the libertarians and the pennants, how many of them who voted against Trump in 2020, and now they're seeing every report came out of that New York Post story, the Twitter would have been left. They know Trump would have won. And if COVID doesn't happen, Trump would have won. And now Trump said, by the way,

Starting point is 01:49:51 Trump's at videos coming very easy. They said no to the volas of rapists. Now Biden's doing the wall. They said no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Starting point is 01:50:03 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no know it is, and I'm like, God, the apple. You know that greatest hits list these marketers, they're just waiting for this one. Now go to the Trump. There's a lot of ammunition. So here's the other part, to the, this the other technical question we have to answer. How many of the people that are anti-Trump, okay?

Starting point is 01:50:16 That are Lincoln Project people. Now they're realizing the Lincoln Project, outside of one person who was on here last week, your best friend Steve Finchman. He's been my boy, what's up Steve? Outside of him, okay? Lincoln week, your best friend Steve mentioned. My boy, what's up, Steve? Outside of him, okay, Lincoln project. John Weaver came out. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:50:29 What did John Weaver came up with? Pedophilia. Pedophilia. That was a spy for Russia. Another one was all this agent, all this stuff. Lincoln project is gone. They are not what they were before. Not this much. They have zero credibility today. So the Rhino story, those guys that were stealing votes away, they're not there. Now, let's go to the state. There'll be another grift. There will be, there's no question about it. But they don't have the same credibility.

Starting point is 01:50:52 And they're gonna say, the next in the Lincoln project, that's all they're gonna say. Then it becomes the people that are pro-descentists or the people that are proniki-hali or their pro-mic-pens, his relative, seven people or the people that are pro, Vivek or the people that are pro, you know Vivek or the people that are pro whoever those guys are on the stage, right? How many of them at first they're gonna say there's no way I'll ever vote for Trump

Starting point is 01:51:18 But at the end they're gonna say shit. I'm on a vote for a publican. Okay. Yeah, when you put all of that stuff together If there is no gamification If there is no gamification if there is gamification if there is no gamification, if there is no gamification, if there is gamification, if there is, hey, World War Three is here and we're under attack and we have to make sure we pause election and something like that's not gonna be happened, if there is no gamification, I think this guy's got a very clear argument on how to get back in.

Starting point is 01:51:42 And I think he's convinced, I think his people are convinced i think some of the even uh the people who the the judicial system or do j's not been fair to them they're not relating to him saying look at this i related this guy everything they're doing to me i kind of felt like i went through it except the sky's a white guy yeah why are they doing it to him i think there's a lot of things there that the case could be made on why he could potentially win well i i mean mean, yeah, I'd like to say, I'd love to see the Republicans win. I'd love to see them take it. I just the worry that I have is that the polarizing nature of of of him as a candidate and how that could because again, I think I think the dams have made the same calculation.

Starting point is 01:52:20 Their best chance of winning is to face Trump. And I, you know, I don't they they tend to have a better machine, right? Republicans never, never underestimate their ability to shoot themselves in the foot and do something stupid. But yeah, we'll see. I do want to see a change in the White House though, because I can't imagine anybody saying to themselves, you know, I'm going to vote for Biden because I'm okay with Kamala Harris as president of the United

Starting point is 01:52:48 States. Yeah. Because I was just in like five group chats with cousins and people and it's always the same. You know, I ignored them all freaking day because it's Trump, Biden, Biden, how can you, how I'm bothered, I asked them, how could you still in your right mind vote? Are they that dedicated to the party that you still have to vote for Biden? Nothing is going on.

Starting point is 01:53:09 I go, what are you voting for? Is it just, it's not Trump? Like, are you that stupid and you don't get, like, the house is burning down, but you know what? I'm not, that's, I, it's the only reason Biden won because it wasn't Trump. I've been here. I love you brother. It still shocks me that you can't believe that all have to country hate Trump.

Starting point is 01:53:25 Yeah. No, not hate Trump. Just letting you know. They're never going to vote. I didn't say hate Trump. I'm saying, right, no, I'm saying this election. I'm saying right now, if you can go there and go to the voting booth and circle and buy them with all the shit that's happening, you're about 75 million people will do that.

Starting point is 01:53:42 About 44% to 47% are where he's happening. You're about 75,000 people will do that. About 44% to 47% are where he's at. Yeah, I'm letting it like, it's really there, there, but there is there, the buyers remorse vote. I'm telling you, there are a lot of those buyers remorse vote. Can I give you some like opinion on the numbers? By the way, just the same, same here. How do you vote for Biden? That's the same, you have friends like this.

Starting point is 01:54:04 How do you vote for Trump? That's the same, you have friends like this. How do you vote for Trump? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. The numbers are very clear. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:54:12 So whether Biden had 81 million votes or 77, whatever the hell number he had, whatever. It's almost irrelevant to me because the general, uh, electric, the, the electoral college is determined as the president. It's not the, uh, total vote. Yeah, it's, yeah, the popular vote.

Starting point is 01:54:22 Not the popular vote. So at the end of the day, we've seen this. Okay, it's four or five states in a handful of cities, right, that have that are metaphysically bipolar. Why? Because they voted for Bush, then they voted for Obama, then they voted for Trump, then they gave Biden a shot. They are more than willing to give somebody a shot.

Starting point is 01:54:42 So these are the same guys that are like, eh, shovel up and deal, we'll go with Trump again. I would like, they have no allegiance to anybody that put themselves and that's fine. But the, to your point, I agree. If you put a Vivek on stage with Biden, blow up. Oh, for God's sake. A Nikki Haley, you saw the stat, she's five points up.

Starting point is 01:55:01 Even to Santas, I think he would give Trump, give Biden a run for his money, but you're right, they're both hovering in the low 40 approval rate. And I don't see how they, again, and people always say, well, the dams are out to get them. They're going to, they're going to convict them on something. And I'm thinking, well, the DNC doesn't want to convict them because DNC wants to run against them, right? Because the others are going to roll out. We can't burn his body now. Oh my God, the only guy that's similar in age to him.

Starting point is 01:55:28 So he's like, well, he's not that old. He's only a couple years older than Trump. Yeah, I don't know. You know what's going to happen on the first Tuesday of November, or actually, no, it's probably going to take six weeks after the first Tuesday in November of 2024, because now with these elections, it takes a long time to count.

Starting point is 01:55:43 It could be in the days we were such better counters, if you think about it. We used to be able to count to 10, like in three seconds. Technology is like working backwards, right? With all the stuff that we got, but eventually within six weeks they can count, okay? And there's gonna be a group that's gonna be like, here we go again, you know, same guys back up,

Starting point is 01:56:03 establish and running the show, then there's gonna be another group here we go again, you know, same guys back up, establish and running the show. Then there's this gonna be another group crying, thinking it's the end of the world. But one of those two is gonna happen. But before that happens, the next 12 months, I have a feeling, is going to be, yeah, crazy in it. Yeah, crazy. Yeah, crazy. I'm gonna take place.

Starting point is 01:56:22 Anyways, gang, I hope you enjoyed today's podcast, Mike Baker's podcast, gang. Mike Baker's got a podcast called, The President's Daily Brief, a daily podcast that's available on Spotify, iTunes, and the first TV, we got the link below in the description, in chat box, all over the place, make sure you go subscribe, and listen to the one and only Mike Baker.

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