PBD Podcast - Former Light Heavyweight Champion: Rashad Evans | PBD Podcast

Episode Date: January 21, 2022

PBD Podcast Episode 117. In this episode they discuss, How Rashad Became A fighter, How Can Dana White Better Take Care of Fighters, Jon Jones, whether Connor McGregor is finished and one of our editors gets punched in the face. Get all official Valuetainment merch here: https://vtmerch.com Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list PBD Podcast discusses current events, trending topics, and politics as they relate to life and business. Stay tuned for new episodes and guest appearances. About the host: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of a financial services firm and the creator of Valuetainment, the #1 YouTube channel for entrepreneurship with more than 3 million subscribers. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a keynote speaker.   Bet-David is passionate about shaping the next generation of leaders by teaching the fundamentals of entrepreneurship and personal development while inspiring people to break free from limiting beliefs to achieve their dreams.  Follow the guests in this episode: Rashad Evans: https://bit.ly/31ZuOLq Adam Sosnick: https://bit.ly/2PqllTj Gerard Michaels: https://bit.ly/3fMja9z To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: [e-mail]   Want Patrick on your podcast? - http://bit.ly/329MMGB #PBDPodcast --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

Yeah, gentlemen, we're live. All right. So we have a special podcast for you here today. It's the ultimate fighter to heavyweight winner, the former UFC light heavyweight champion, 2019 inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame, the one and only reshot Evans. Brother, it's good to have you on. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have me on, guys. Yes, it's very good to have you on. You know, I got on yes it's very good to have you on you know I got to take a story yesterday David text me over and over and over again since pat I totally understand your art being in this podcast maybe even Adam but I don't think Tom fits for this podcast he's like what's Tom gonna talk about and I said listen let him be in there you know Tom's gonna maybe give a different perspective but it it's good to be with you. Folks, if you're tuning in, Paul Escarciga,

who's one of our wonderful, fantastic editors, who is a great team player and creates jobs for other people, but he, Paul, got punched in a face by Chuck Lidell. You keep forgetting his name. He got punched in a face by Chuck Lidell a couple years ago. We went to his house, and he wanted to find that out hard, Chuck Hitt. So he put the head year on, he put the gloves on, chuck it him and he was

gone for a minute, right? So he's trying to find out whether you punch harder or he does and you said you're committed to it. Layout. Yeah, committed to bears. Like I don't I don't want to hurt the dude. Yeah. Well, maybe don't go 100%. Okay, okay. Just just give him a nice give him one for him to feel just for him to have some memories of you when you leave. This is David go 150. David and Paul got into it so he'd like to see you knock his ass out. Anyway so Paul brace for impact we're gonna do it on the second half and then we're gonna watch a Mazvedal street fighting video and get some feedback from you maybe even a comment

area what you see with a guy like this fighting because I know we got a he's got a fight coming up right he's got a fight coming up with Kobe curious and know what you think about that He's got a fight. Yeah, I know he's got also fight coming up of course But you know with that that right there because of a Mazavid al also with Kobe going out it would be curious and what he says about it. So Rashad I I've been to a lot of fights, but you had a fight coming up and I followed your fights you were You were something else been watching you fight. I'm wearing the same age I think you and I are maybe you're a part I don't know exactly how old you're

40 to come 43. So same era I'm watching you're coming up I'm just watching how you're fighting. My buddy Len Cooper who was one of our VPs in a company I took him to the fights his birthday yesterday a happy birthday Len Cooper took him to go watch you in Jackson fight, which was insane to go watch you fight. But walk us through the past, man, how you got into it. Everybody's got a different story, how they get into the UFC.

What's your story coming up? Well, I was in Lansing, Michigan, and I was working at this bar, and I was just graduated from college, and I was doing a little bit of bouncing work and a fight broke out. And I was a UFC from college and I was doing a little bit of bouncing work and a fight broke out. And I was a UFC fan back in the day and I used to watch it back in 1993 when the first came out.

So it went through that dark area. We're not a lot of people knew about it and knew what was going on with it. And a fight broke out and the guy was like, oh man, he put him in a rear naked choke. Now when he said that, it kind of like, I was like, oh, okay, not many people know what that was. So then I started to inquire, okay, not many people know what that was. So then I started to inquire, you know, okay, you know, how do you know what

that was? And then he said that he trains in HB because it's called No Holds Bar at the time. And I was like, okay, where you do that at? And he told me where he did it at. And you know, we went to the gym the following Monday. And it was just beat down, run down, like dilapidated building and it had rats and stuff in it. And we go in there, it's building, and I'm thinking I'm about to get set up and robbed. I'm like, oh man, it's don't seem safe at all. In Michigan, no.

In Michigan, you're right, in Atlanta. Lansing, Michigan. It was just like a very CD area. And we go to the room where the train at, and it's a little small room, like 12 by 9, and these guys are just beating the hell out of each other They just like taking turns, you know going against each other just like full on spawn Just nothing I ever seen before so I went and I tried it that day and I was like hooked

So I kept on going there and kept training with those guys and then after a while You know, we just got tired of beating the hell out of each other and it was like a real-life fight club like you know It was like doctors lawyers life fight club. Like, you know, it was like doctors, lawyers, and like, underground type of guys. Yeah, and that's what we do for training. But we were just beating the hell out of each other. So we wanted some new meat. And we started to, we linked that with Dan Severin.

And Dan Severin was in cold water, Michigan. So we started driving out to cold water, Michigan, and training with those guys. Now, at the time, Dan Sevin was doing his fight promotion, which was in Indiana and Golden Indiana, and on the Indian reservations, because the UFC at the time was only allowed to be in Vegas, and Dan was like,

I'm gonna have the only show outside of Vegas, so we'll fight on these Indian reservations. And Dan Sevin was inducted into UFC Hall of Fame. And then he said to me, you know, I have an opportunity to have one of my, you know, they'll look at one of my guys. But the thing about it is, you know, have you heard of the ultimate fighter?

And I was like, yeah, I heard of the ultimate fighter. I watched the first season. And then he says, okay, well, they're doing a second season, but it's heavyweight, though. And he said, you're way too small. You're like, you know, 195 pounds. And I second season, but it's heavyweight, though. And he said, you're way too small, you're like, you know, 195 pounds. And I was like, I can be heavyweight. So I just started eating a lot of carbs

and just balking up as big as I could get. And, you know, I got on the Ultimate Fighter Show. And from there, I won the Ultimate Fighter Show. And then that's how my UFC career started, but it was, you know, starting Lance and Michigan. Now will you fight like if we're in high school, did you have a reputation for a guy that don't mess with reshot with the job that kind of reputation?

Yeah, I'll just grab a high school. Yeah, I had what age did people in the like at what age you knew you could fight? Oh, man, probably like in probably like in fifth grade. I was I was fighting. You were that dude in fifth grade that's like, oh, he's gonna roll up on in fifth grade. I was fighting in fifth grade. You were that dude in fifth grade that's like, oh, he's gonna roll up on you. Fifth grade.

Well, I mean, because I went to like a majority white school. So, you know, all those white boys asked. Well, I was always a target, you know what I'm saying? You know, they always say stuff. So I mean, I will fight on the way home from school, walk in home from school. My brother will make me fight people. He would make you fight.

Yeah, he'd tell me to fight him. In what ways? That guy said something to go fight him or what? Yeah, I mean, he'd like somebody like look at me a certain way, he'd like, yeah, go fight him. And if I'm older brother. Oh, the brother, yeah. And if I didn't fight that guy,

then he had beat me up. So I had to fight him. Was he a fighter? Was he a tough guy himself? Yeah, he was a tough guy. Yeah, he was a... Sounds like he was more like a promoter down King back. Just go fight that guy. I think his lunch money. And you can beat that guy. I'm here next week. Can you be honest? Because you were scared of your older brother and didn't want him to

whoop your ass. Was it just like you had that itch inside? What was that relationship with your brother? Well, I mean, you know, I'll scare them all the brother but at the same time him and I will fight all the time, you know, and you know, we just we just grew up five many years older is it than you? He's two years older than me. This is like Tiko and Dylan. Yeah, so Dylan, yes, it is for the first time, said something very weird to me. And you know, he's taking classes right now. He's going to borrow three times a week, two times a week, and he's his middle son is just an absolute swim every day and he's now doing soccer. He's doing all these other things. Like just one of these guys that's very athletic. Like you see him, he's going to say,

say, it's going gonna play something, right? The Middle Eastern Bojack. Like he just loves, like he loves fighting. Like there's something about it that he likes. He's eight years old. First time he's ever said something like this, he says, that one day I'm gonna be the greatest fighter in the world.

That's right. He's never said, I'm gonna be the greatest anything. Just out of nowhere, he just said, daddy, you know what, I want to also learn how to box. I want to also learn how to do this. So by the way, we got to keep this in mind. We don't watch videos, like we don't sit here and say, let's watch this fight video, let's watch this YouTube video.

This guy's taking Barbara, his coach is inspired him and he says, I want to be the best fight in the world one day. So it's, I don't know if it starts. Still not, obviously a lot of kids probably have said this before, but he has that. Can I say one thing about Dylan, we're making him sound like he's some asshole tough, like the sweetest, the nicest kid. So the fact that he wants to be the,

it makes no sense because he's such a... It's almost like you, you're such a sweet, nice guy, at least from what I can tell so far. Well, one of the pole comes here, different sides going to show up. It's interesting, how do you balance like the show go to the sweet side with just knock and mothos out? How does that do awfully work?

Well, I mean, it's, you know, it's, I'd say whatever bothers me in life, and I just leave it for the training. You know, I learned at a young age to kind of, you know, learn how to put my frustrations into sports and things like that. So now I just become second nature to me. So outside in real life, you know, I'm just kind of calm and just relaxed and I can take a lot of shit and then when it comes down to switch.

It's a switch, yeah. So, okay, so let's go through one question that I had for you. So when you were 32, you fought John who was 24. Am I saying that correctly? It was 32 to 24. And his reach was 84 and a half. I want to say you were 75.

You know, wait, obviously the same. He had you on, you know, whatever. However many inches he has you on it. Because he's a total of the guys, a 645. But he came through. You were like an older brother. So you haven't seen a different side of him. He's nice right now believe me. Rich. I've got a different side as well Yeah, but but I want to talk to you, but I want to go back and ask a question here about coming up

So if you were 22 today and you know you can ball you know you can hang in there You know like listen. I think I can take this guy down right? I think I can take this guy down. I think I can fight this guy. But the comp structure and the opportunities are different today than they were when you were 22, right? You're seeing the soul thing with Jake Paul and Dana going back and forth and hey, pay him this and pay him that. And I know you're seeing what Jake is making.

You're seeing what Woodley made with a fight. You're seeing what Mayweather is doing, what Connor did. So the model's different. You got boxing ground, you got the YouTube rod, you got the UFC rod. What, how different of a game plan would you have today? What you're listening to today being 42, 20 years older than me in 22,

what would you tell the 22 year old shot Evans today, which route to take? Well, I mean, it's all about now getting the following. You know, we live in such a culture right now where it's all about the following and, you know, getting the people's interest, you know, whatever it may be that you do that stands out among the crowd, accentuate that and really stand upon that and really start to push

yourself in that direction. And then from there, you can start to navigate which fights that you want because the promotion or whatever it may be, they're going to make sure that they put you in a position where they can get the return for your value because it's all about the value. People want to pay you for what your value for. If you don't have the value, you can be the best fighter in the world,

but you're not going to get that money. So in other words, would you say you'd be somebody that'd be documenting your vlogs, your fights, your training to get a YouTube channel, to get a few million subscribers and then maybe have some of the Instagram, how would you create that follow? Would you take the Jake Paul Rod?

Would you take the Logan Paul Rod? Would you take the Conor Rod? What Rod would you take? You know, there's somebody doing it really well right now. Shigashonto Malley. He's, he's, Sick. Stole your neckline by the way.

Yeah, but that's all right. I mean, we're gonna run up on that too. Ha, ha, ha. It's all right though, because the thing about it is, he's owning it. You know what I'm saying? He's making it in his own. And you know, this kid, if you watch him, you know.

Can you pull him up so people know who he is? Crazy hair, white boy skinny. Crazy hair, white boy skinny. But he's a very interesting character. You know, he's fun to look at. He's fun to look at, but he's got personality. And he just fun to look at. He's fun to look at, but he's got personality. And he just comes to life. And what he does is not only does he talk a good game,

he fights like crazy. He knocks people out even though I feel like his level of competition should be a bit higher. But that's what happens when you have that following. When you have that following, they bring you along the right way because they don't want to ruin you in order before they get the full value out of you. And that's one thing that he does really well. He's really good on social media.

He's really good with his YouTube, breaking down fights and all those things. And he just has the interest that, you know, he speaks to the demographic of today and the huge following. So you would advise, you would, like you yourself would still go the UFC route. You would still go to UFC route yourself if you were 22 today, except you would pay more attention to the social media. If I don't or would you say, I'm going to go try to get part of a, you know, that I hold your camp, I'm going to go part of a canelo camp. I'm going to go try to be a boxer because that just pays more, you know, canelo got a,

you know, 12, 5, 360 million dollar contract, whatever the number was. Something's saying number that he got, right? I'm going to go take that route. Or no, I'm going to work my way up on the UFC side and be the next whoever. What, what, what route would you take? I would say go to UFC route because it's still. Yeah, well, because of what boxing is that, you know, for so long before you can even get to the level, I mean, Jake, Jake Paul's been able to do something extraordinary because of the fact that he's built himself up way high before he even put himself in a position two box. So that's like an anomaly out of the whole

situation. But you know with the UFC you know you can start off and really grow in an organization and and if you're like a guy like Sean O'Malley they'll bring you along the way and you can develop your skills at the same time by and develop who you are outside of the cage as well, too. Yeah, I'm just very, very curious because, you know, a lot of young guys see everybody, and they're kind of like, what do I do now? What do I do I go now?

So, you know, you've seen Jake, you know, what was it? Did you see the number that came out? Highest paid athlete under 25. Did you see the number? $40 million in the year? $45 million, or is he made last year? Highest paid athlete, 25. Did you see that number? $40 million. $45 million dollars he made last year. Highest paid athlete. No, go to the one with me.

I want to say Gerard versus Jake Paul. I want to see that. Highest paid athlete under 25. Type in under 25. Five days ago, right there. Go back. No, that's five years ago. Go back.

It's the one right there, Jake Paul. Put news, go type in in the news. Yeah, because it's right there. Click on that one right at the top. Go up. It should show the list of people. Go under the ads. Right there. Click on that. Is that the one or no? No, because he's not a female. Go back. Not yet. Go up. Keep going. Keep going. Go back. Not yet. Go up. Go keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. Anyway, it's he made 45 million bucks last year. That's the number. They put him as a highest paid athlete under the age of 25. Look at his tweet right there. If you go down below, what you say?

Highest paid athlete under 25. Jake Paul. It's an unsustainable model though, because not everybody can get in the ring and actually take punches. It's a very, very model though, because not everybody can get in the ring and actually take punches. It's a very, very, the promotional side of it. You're talking about Sugar-Shayn O'Malley. And the thing that Sugar-Shayn O'Malley has is world-class striking skills. He's not just a clown out there. And they've done this with other guys, with all due respect.

I mean, they tried this with Sage Northcut, right? Like, they were like, this guy's going to be Captain America, and then they got him in the ring and what happened, right? So I mean, it takes a very, very special type of human being that wants to get in there. And it's not just the, I mean, he'll tell you about anybody else. It's not the nine minutes in the ring. It's the nine weeks of sparring leading up to it.

And if you don't do that, you know, so I mean, when you first were coming up with Dan Severn, that's crazy, man I mean, you know, did you ever consider like the K1 stuff and the pride fighting and going over season on that also and doing the Grand Prix? Yeah, I actually want to do that to do that first, you know, I was a big fan of rampage at the time And I was a big fan of the whole you know the whole Japanese market when it came to the the pride fighting And I like the rules of kicking each other and the hey when they're down I it felt like that was my style It felt like it was my style, but the UFC came first and it was just you know a better opportunity because of the UFC

Was growing at the time, you know the first season ultimate fight was really the birth on a on a you know A big level for the UFC, You know, when it comes to popularity and just coming out the dark ages of not knowing who it was, you know, and not knowing what it was. So being on the second season, I felt like I was part of something at the ground level and just being part

of the UFC growing with them has been, you know, huge experience. You won the second season, right? And when were you the coach? Heavyweight, heavyweight. And heavyweight in championship. Heavyweight in championship. Heavyweight, heavyweight. But he won. When were you heavyweight heavyweight heavyweight heavyweight one championship as a light heavyweight but he won when were you the coach season 10 season

10 and the other coach was rampage and you had Brendan Shaw on your team who was on the podcast recently so quick questions I see rampage and how you you beat his ass that guy's got like the scariest look in face ever like I see that guy on the camera. I don't mess with that guy. Just quick thoughts on Rampage and you guys got into it. And then also Brennan Sharp, who was on the podcast, thoughts on his career. Yeah, me and Rampage, it was a very highly hot season. Him and I, we'll go to the point where we'll

fight every single day. To the point where the production staff was like, hey, guys, I know you don't like each other, but you guys got to find a way to calm down a little bit Because we got to be able to shoot the scenes and stuff like that because it was just like the first time in the history Everybody television the production staff is like, don't you guys not It was just unruly sometimes, you know, it would get you to get bad and you know Talking though, yeah, the track you't fighting. You guys were talking. But it came to a couple of

times where it was almost like we were going to fight, you know, the famous doors scene. Yeah, the famous doors scene. Yeah. So it got pretty contested quite a bit. But that season was probably the the funnest season of the

ultimate fighter and, you know, looking back on it I tell wanderlady. I can't let you get close to that. I mean that was a good one too They actually fought they actually scrapped it at one But I mean the the one me and rampage it was good because you know It built up from the ultimate fighter season then he didn't fight me because he had that movie with The 18 and then we ended up fighting so it was a little bit more of a build up to the actual fight and it was a good fight.

But now, me and Rampage, we got a chance to actually do a movie together. We did a movie together called Boss Level. We played German twins. So we kind of got the chance to speak about what happened before. It's a German twins? German twins.

We were German twins. We have a good German accent. What do you got? You don't want to fight on the rampage. And then what about Shob? Brandon Shob. You know, I knew Brandon Shob back in the day when he was first starting off with Mixed Martial Arts. You know, we would train out in Denver with Trevor Whitman

and Nate Markhort and those guys. You know, it was like Jackson's gym. And then we'll go to Colorado and train at Grudge Jim and go to TriStar so we would go and train with Brendan Schott when he was first starting off and when I found out I was gonna do the ultimate fighter season you know I really a strong advocate for getting him and getting him into the show and you know Brendan was phenomenal man Brendan was like you know a diamond and a. He just didn't know how good he was. You know, he was one of those guys who,

I honestly believe, had he not went on a streak where he got caught a couple times, he could have been somebody who really done something that he would see. Yeah, he was. Brandon was good, man. Brandon was good, man. He, I know he had that tough talk with Joe Rogan

and Joe Rogan told him to sit down. But you know, it's in a heavyweight division, you can get caught and knocked out. You know, it's very easy for that to happen. And at some point, you have to modify your game. You know, you have to be able to understand the fact that you can't sit there and exchange blows like you can at a small and weight class. So you have to be able to be able to use different tactics. I mean, you know, throwing some punches

and doing a little bit of cage, wall and brawl and kind of just gumming up the action a little bit more and not doing so much of the, you know, standing at the 50-50 and see who lands first. Well, Rashad, let me ask you that. I mean, you came from a brawling background. I always thought you came from a wrestling background. But if you came from a brawling background,

you know, one of the most impressive things is when a fighter switches it and they go from being able to inflict damage to being able to not let someone inflict damage. I mean, one of the things with Floyd Mayweather thinks one of the most impressive things he never gets credit for, this guy for 20 years had the best in the world trying to hurt him. And he just wouldn't let them defecate. but he was completely, that's the like the art of it, right? So I mean, when did you, when your career go from switching that mentality from like, dude, I can hurt these dudes to, you know what, these guys can't hurt me. I know exactly what to do to stop them from getting me. Well, I started to use all my attributes, you know,

at one point, you know, you kind of fall into the style because you coach by different people and you want to do, you know, what they're telling you to do, but then you have to realize what makes you unique and what maybe unique was the fact that I was able to move. You know, I was very shifty. Very high energy. Very high energy.

So I utilized my movement more, and then when I could, I utilized my grappling and jam up the action. So I wasn't sitting there just throwing punches with these big dudes because at the end of the day, you get caught with one of those big shots and you're not going to be standing for too long. You get caught by too many because these forearms gloves are very, not much padding in

them at all. And then underneath the forearms gloves, it's like you have a cast on because your hands are wrapped. So it's a very, very strong punch. You just saw that with steep A and in Ghana, right? Like you're doing steep A's trying to control the pace and in Ghana's just waiting all in need of that one right hand and especially with a guy like in Ghana He got that in accidental power where he just like he just moves around and he just knocks and not the baddest man on the planet right now The Ghana yeah, I mean he is man in Ghana with something special. That's your number one baddest man on the planet right now

I would say so I mean, but he has a very tough fight with With serial gun. So so let me let me go back to the questions that was trying to get to a point there the question was What do you think about what's going on right now between Jake and Dana? you know Jake is being Jake, you know Jake Jake brings up a lot of good points, but at the same time, you know It's a different ballgame, you know what I'm saying with mixed martial arts. There are some things that, you know, does need to get better with mixed martial arts when it comes for, you know, advocating rights for fighters and things like that. But I think that UFC's done a very good job of where they came from and where

they get to right now. You know, we forget that all these other sports, you know, they've had a long time to get to where they are right now. Baseball, football, the big three. And it just takes time. The UFC is moving in a progressive manner. I don't believe that the UFC holds their fighters down. I think that they take care of the fighters. Could fighters pay me better?

Yeah, I think so. But at the end of the day, there are fighters who make, you know, crazy bank, you know, fighting with the UFC. And, you know, when it comes to the pay that's even distributed between the non, you know, non-big-name fighters, I think that's very comparable to boxing and other leagues like that too.

You know, you know, Gerard made a very good point yesterday who he got me thinking. If you know how they say people get paid more paid on boxing than they do in UFC, right? Okay, so I pulled it up. I'm like, let me see this here. Top 10 high-spade boxers, okay. I don't know what it is.

Joseph Parker is number 10, okay. High-spade boxer and blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's see, there's our picture like he made three million dollars, okay, guaranteed purse, 2018, he made 10 million dollars, okay. Last year. Yeah, I mean, then it's Michael Hunter who has an estimated net worth of three million dollars. He's the ninth highest paid boxer in the world in 2021, Okay, so the ninth highest guy, made three million, then you got the next guy,

then you got the next guy, next guy, and it goes all the way up to the top, Anthony Joshua, who made $125 million in 2018, and he got a big offer for what he's gonna get paid. He ties some furies not even first place, he's second place, whileer is third place, right? And he got some of these other guys. Obviously, he's been Canelo's got to be number one.

Well, Canelo's number one, but you're looking at some of these lists. Your Canelo's what, 360 or whatever they're paying that guy, 20 times a, 2022. Let's look at the number. If you can pull up 2022, highest paid boxers. I'm actually very curious if you match the two up, I'm willing to bet the highest paid UFC fighter

makes more money than the highest paid boxer, right? If you match the two up, I'm willing to bet the highest paid UFC fighter makes more money than the highest paid boxer, right? If you match the two. So, there is an argument, and then the other part is the following, is, are there more UFC fights than actual boxing fights that we watch on TV? 100% there's more UFC fights. And here's another thing, the fact that, you know, if I'm a fighter and I'm getting paid a certain amount Yeah, I can put in my contract. I want this month to be disclosed and then I can and then I can have the UFC pay me

Whatever else outside of that you know what I'm saying? So I don't I don't I don't have to have all of my money being disclosed how much I explain that why like every NBA contract MLB Contract NFL contract is pretty much disclosed why in the UFC is there so non disclosure so the UFC they pay the commission and the commission pays the fighters right so I can have the UFC say that I make this amount of money and haven't paid me that and give the commission that but I can actually begin and paid a little bit more on the back end you know and just and just another way. You know what the back end way, what is that? So the back end way would be like,

so same, same contract was for like $3 million. So they, okay, I want a million dollars to be shown, but then pay me the other $2 million. Give that to Tom. Go ahead. Pay me the other $2 million just through the UFC. You know, so that can happen. You know, so you don't always have to have all your money

being shone, the March campaign. Yeah, Tom, can you do me a favor? To me, businesses get criticism for how they run a certain model. Can you find out what is UFC's EBITDA? Like, what's their margin? Like, if they do, I don't know, $4 billion, do they keep 40%? Do they keep 10%?

Do they keep 20%? If you can pull up that number because- This is why we got the biz, don't know, $4 billion do they keep 40%? Do they keep 10%? Do they keep 20%? If you can pull up that number because- This is why we got the best stuff. Yeah, no, I think that's very important because business got to run on margin and you got to have, you know, the numbers are on 20%. If you have, like, you don't have some of these software companies you'll talk to, yeah, we've consult quite a few of them.

They'll have a software and they'll do 10 million a year. But it's a software. I'm just giving you the software. So I don't need to really do anything else and their margins are 60% right yeah, you got a lot of money you can maybe pay your engineers better But if you're running a business with operation set up this this that and your margins are only 20% Our business has got to make their 20% so meaning whatever Dana and those guys have done has worked. And it's made a lot of people rich. Can they improve in certain ways if they could? What would you say would be a way they could improve? Jake made his proposal, saying take the 12,000 of 50,000, you know, health benefits, et cetera, et cetera. What would you say as a UFC

Hall of Famer? Yeah, I mean, health benefits would be one, but I mean, I would also say, you know, some kind of portion of the money for the retirement you know I'm saying for fighters who who who who are done fighting you know sort of 401k I already profit sure okay, so so say for instance this like um like you know if If I'm a fighter and I get paid for a pay-per-view I should get paid Anytime that that fight is being shown even after I'm retired you know I'm saying and I get paid for a pay-per-view, I should get paid any time that fight is being shown, even after I'm retired, you know what I'm saying? And I feel like that could make it better.

Like, for instance, like any time the show we're shot at happens to fight, I should be paid. Is that how does a boxing do that or? No, I don't think boxing does it like that. But I'm saying that's something that could help, that's something that could help out because there's still getting money to pay. Like the UFC's getting money to license it to another place. Yeah, so there's still getting money to pay. The U.S. is getting money to license it.

License it to another place. Yeah, so they're making some money on it. So they're making money on it. So if they're making money on Sean and Rashad Evans' fight, then Rashad Evans' get paid off of it. And even if I'm not fighting a current fight with the U.C. When I was in LA, I was handling finances for a few NFL players and they would all complain about retirement.

They'd say, hey, they don't pay this this they don't pay that don't pay enough right? And then but at the same time it was hey, you know I always watch how you take care of your champions, okay? You can't take care of everybody But how you take care of your champions for example like you know how People can say whatever they want to say about Mark Cuban and who he is he takes care of his best guys look at dirt He's been taking care of for 20 years dirt's like I can go a lot of different places mess I love my boss. I'll work over here the guy gives me what he wants. So he takes care of him, right? Do you do you think you have see takes care of their champions like not everybody because I can see how that can be watered

Down and this guy saying give me this and that, give me this. But there is a system for guys who were champions, right? Do they do that? Is there benefits for you guys? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if I call Dan and ask him for anything, he'd be like, yeah, absolutely. He seems like top. That's how we got him.

He's that guy. Dan is, he has a persona out when you see him on camera. But Dan is one of the coolest guys you ever meet and he's in he straight up, you know, I'm saying, like, you may not like what he says, but you're going to know that he's speaking from the heart, you know, I'm saying, you're going to know where you stand with him. And I can always handle that, you know, I'm saying, I don't always got to like with somebody say, but if they're kind of, you know, shooting, shooting straight from the hips, then I can accept that. And Dana's

one of those guys. So, um, and, and, you and you know, he does take care of his champions. You know, he, he, he makes sure that he does whatever he can. You know, he's, he's one of those guys who, who does things and doesn't say anything about it. Like, people doesn't, people don't really know how generous Dana is and the things that he do, do because he doesn't, he's not one of those guys say, oh, I did this and he doesn't brag about it at all.

He just does it. So, so would you say behind closed, like Francis said, the other day he had a private meeting with Dana, and he said, what a great conversation he had with him, like he was very positive about the conversation. Would you say behind closed doors, champions love Dana, and have a great relationship with Dana? Absolutely.

Okay, I think that's the, I think that right there finishes the conversation if you ask me is Dana white the greatest Commissioner in the history of sports you've had David Stern NBA Paul Tagli Buon F. Oh good Dell Bud Sealy kids would you count Vince McMahon in that Vince McMahon? Okay, but is Dana white that would be probably on the promoter side? Yeah, that would be is there you know is he I was I would say he's definitely up there You know when it comes to just being the guy who's you know able to relate on so many different levels You know that's that's what Dana does Dana can come at you from a different Perspective and he can understand where you're coming from and he doesn't he doesn't big time you you know

And that's and that's that's that's a huge thing because sometimes when you don't have the same value that they can get out of you, people have the tendency to kind of dismiss you. But Dana doesn't do that. And that's one thing that I can say that stands high in his character and who he is as a person. Because he always makes sure to, yeah, he had return attacks. No matter how busy he is as a person because he always makes sure to you know yeah he had return attacks you know matter how busy he is he had return attacks he had return

a call so you know he's one of those guys. So you know what I'm really impressed by the wide perspective you take on the sport here you're talking about you're talking about the leader of the sport talk about the sport itself you're talking about guys you fought you know there was a time when Peyton Manning they said hey the NFL is Peyton's league. Remember that? And it was because owners trusted him by and large, but he also influenced the competition committee.

He influenced rules committee. Definitely did a lot for the players association. Yeah, I got it right here. And it was really tremendous, and he used that platform to really help. And I think he's really proud of that. You sound like you really take a broad perspective. Your record as a fighter is there, 2008 is legendary, right?

And everything that you did that year. What do you want the young fighters and people that look to you to see your impact in the sport that maybe was beyond the octagon where you used your platform there to help the sport? Well, I've been trying to do a few things. For one, I started a team and I've had some fighters who I've been trying to do, you know, a few things, you know, you know, for one, I started a team and I've had some fighters who I've developed and they become champion

like Kamara Usman. And, you know, that's your guy. Yeah, that was my guy, you know, number one right now. Yeah, yeah, 2022. Absolutely. And, you know, I started a whole movement, whole team, you know, a big team has grown, you know, because of me even moving here to start Florida and starting the Black Zillions. We were part of the Black Zillions, yeah. I'm starting the Black Zillions. I started the Black Zillions, yeah, yeah, it was me, Jizzius, Yuri Villavort, and Bigfoot and a few other guys.

So we started the Black Zillions and it grew to be one of the biggest teams, you know, compete with each other. It was kind of the NWO for a little bit. It was like the new world order taken over there for a little bit. And the Black Zillions, and you guys had the whole, actually, it was more like DeGeneration X if you're a wrestling fan.

Like you guys, you guys came in and you guys were the, were the out, you guys were the underdogs and the outcast. And it did it took off. And then the Black Zillions, the, the owner, it was the owner pass away. Yeah, the owner pass away, Glenn Robinson passed away. And you know, it transitioned to Sanford MMA. So that's what it is now, Sanford MMA.

But. And it was American top team. You guys were competitors with American top team, correct? Yeah, we went against American top team in the Ultimate Fighter Show. And we beat him in the Ultimate Fighter Show. So I mean, that's pretty high praise because in fact, that American top top teams been around for so long and they've, you know, they're

at another level when it comes to their training facility and the athletes, they come out of the gym. So I mean, it was very, you know, very good to be able to show that what we could do in just a short amount of time that we did it. But that'd be a great ESPN 30 for 30 to black zillions, man. You guys had it You guys had a wild run there for a little bit. Absolutely, but I mean, it's a answer to your question. Trevor Whitman and myself, Trevor is the designer of this equipment company called Onix, because when you look at the sport,

there's things in it that you want to make safer. You always see about the gloves and eye pokes and things like that. And some of these injuries that happen, you know, 70% of the injuries they happen outside of training. And that usually is due to the fact that, you know, unlike in the other sport, when you know, when it comes to football or, you know, hockey or whatever, when it comes to these contact sports, you know, every single year, their equipment is being

improved, you know, but when it comes to combat sports, you know, the boxing glove hasn't been improved since they attached the thumb to it and, you know, with MMA, you know, the glove glove hasn't really been improved since they open the straps up so it's easier to put the glove on, but we wanted to do and Trevor Whitman is the, you know, the genius behind this, this You know he designed a whole glove that made it so that you know It's really hard and almost impossible to poke somebody in the eye But more importantly it offers the perfect support, you know He had a system in a glove that offered a perfect support and he had a whole list of gear that was like that You know when it comes to shingards Neighards and and just a whole equipment line that he designed and behind it. And that's what we want to bring into the UFC.

And because it's about, we love to fight and fight as a fight doing anything, but in anything, but at the end of the day, we have to remember that there's life outside of fighting. And you want to be able to walk and do the things that you like to do once you get to fighting. So being able to build up the equipment, how about these athletes in that perspective

is something that we were trying to do. But we should have for, and we think, and we think, you think Francis has an argument. You think Francis has an argument on saying, I'm not never going to fight for 500,000 or 600,000 anymore, because here's what the article says. It says, Nagano, details combo with Dana White, clarifies contracts.

By the way, he time just pulled up the EBITDA, which was emailed to Tyler in a moment. Tom, if you can explain to us what that means, we'll go through that here in a minute. But Nogano has revealed what was said in the recent conversation with Dana White and also clarifies its contract status and UFC fee defeats.

Cyril gained next weekend speaking with you ESPN, Thursday in the Gano, shared more intimate details of their conversation and went pretty well. At this point I'm not upset. I'm kind of chill about everything and I went to him. We wish each other happy holidays and I tell him, I frustration, I express to him how I would like to stay with the UFC but I don't feel like UFC still wants me to stay so I don't feel promoted anymore. I mean, maybe I'm wrong with about that and I don't feel like UFC still wants me to stay. So I don't feel promoted anymore. I mean, maybe I'm wrong with about that, and I didn't see anything compared to what happened to different fighters.

When I asked Dana White in response to his observation, Dana's a Nagano praise to UFC boss for being quick on his feet. He bring up something really fast, and that's why you know that Dana White is very good. He tells me like, yeah, we want you. Have you ever wanted to go somewhere and we didn't take care of you? I'm like, yeah, but I think it's more than that. And it was, they went back and forth. All the saves had this contract since 2014, 2017. And I think, you know, the $500, $600,000 to Nagano, him getting paid $500, $600. You think he's getting underpaid? You think he's getting paid the right amount?

Who's got the better argument? Because I I got a follow up to that for you. He should definitely get paid over $600,000 because when you look at his value when it comes to, if he wasn't in UFC, right, say, you know, they walked anywhere, they stepped away, he can do a boxing match with, you know, Tyson Fury, you Fury, Deonte Walther, and get paid millions and millions of dollars. You think Dana cares? Yes, I think Dana cares. Meaning, you think Dana cares that he could go and fight one of those guys make five to

10 million to the point where he'd be willing to match that pay to keep him there. He knows his value, he knows what he has in Engano and he knows that. But do you know what I'm asking? For example, I remember one time Shaq went to Pat Riley and he says, listen man, you know, Miami Heat, you know, 20 million a year. And he called Jerry Buts, he says, Jerry, you know, it's me or Kobe, man. My me wants to give me 20 million. You know what Jerry told him? He said, take it. He said, cause I'm not gonna pay 20 million.

He says, go take your, go get your money. So when he got his 20 million dollars, because Shaq was at his end of his career. He said, dude, I'm not gonna pay 20 million and Jerry banked on what he called it. Kobe at the time, rather than paying Shaq. But in this case, isn't Francis at his peak? Is he still got a few more years where he can go like this? Right?

He can sell out arena, sell out paper view. Absolutely. And here's the thing about it. When you look at a heavyweight that can do what Francis does, it just makes the whole league look better. Because there can be a lot of great fighters in other different way classes, but heavyweight just says something. You know, the baddest man in the world has to be a heavyweight.

It just kind of like, it just seems like that's just the right thing to be, right? You know, no matter how good somebody is at 155, you're like, yeah, he's tough, but I mean, I probably can whip his ass. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what? Conor McGregor's out there. I mean, let's just say. you know what I'm saying like you like that guy would whoop connoble gregor's out I mean let's just there's no there's no doubt when you see Francis fight and you see him punch somebody that

you know that he'll probably knock your head off into a stratosphere you know there's that fear factor so having a heavyweight that can do what Francis does is is not you know not something that you just want to let go and that's something that you value somebody who can go. And that's something that you value, somebody who can close off the show, somebody who's going to bring you to side. Here's my follow up to that. And this is where I'm curious to know

what you would say about this, because you know, so you got a Francis who is a great fighter, but he's not a promoter. So he's not a guy that's going to go out there and promote, like let's just say Connor will promote, right? A massive developer promote, a Kobe will promote. Usman is not even a promoter. Usman's a great fighter, but Usman is not a,

like, you know, people who want to watch Usman fight is because they want to see this guy, see if somebody can take him down. They're not going to because he's a great promoter. He's not that guy. He just comes, shows up, does his job and leave. Matter of fact, I don't even think promoting gets natural to him, right? I think it's natural to certain people.

Do you think to Dana, Dana's a guy to build as a face of UFC is more somebody that's also great personality promoter rather than somebody that shows up and fights? I mean, I think there's a balance there. You know what I'm saying? I think that, you know, in certain fighters, everybody can't be the same. You know, if everybody was the same and everybody went out there and they talked trash and they, you know, tried to sell us then it'd become very monotonous and born at the same time because everybody's given the same thing.

But there's a subtle confidence in Francis and there's just this, I wonder what's going to happen when he connects. You know, like this week, this fight is coming up this weekend. You know, he's sent, Francis isn't saying much, but at the same time, the anticipation for it is very high. You know, you have serial gun in there and you have Francis and Gano. These guys are training partners, you know. Francis old training partner is now serial gun trainer partner.

And then there's this whole history about, you know, Francis may have knocked him out in training practice and whatnot. So there's an anticipation and there's many different ways to celebrate. You know, if I'm a promoter, I understand who I'm promoting. You know, sometimes guys need a less of a push than other guys. The guys you need more of a push, then that's when you have to start being a better promoter and get the people to want to see them. Yeah, you know, so you've got guys like compete.

You've got guys like George St. Pierre, some of the biggest fighters of all time, don't have to go out there and act like clowns. It's not the WWE. Some of those guys that aren't the great fighters, that kind of know a little bit, this is my moment, I better get the most out of it. Those are the guys who go out there,

and then you have like a Connor, who's probably better on the mic than he is in the ring. So I mean, you have something with Ingano that if he has any card to play with Dana. It's the fact that Dana, I think anyway, has been waiting patiently for the mega fight of the decade. He's been waiting two years for John Jones to get his weight up and he wants to know John Jones fight. So I don't think he's going to let him go.

He's got no John jar. They even have the same weight class. Oh, they are. They are. John Jones has gotten to be a heavyweight. And he's big. And he's, you know, he's got that that light light heavyweight mentality. Meaning the fact that he can fight in many different ways. He can wrestle. He can do. Who would be favorite in that fight? I mean, you're talking about arguably the number one UFC fighter in history. I think the question is ring rust a real thing. Is ring rust a real thing?

Yeah, ring rust is a real thing. It is a real thing. But it also depends on who you are as a fighter. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes people go out there and exhibit that kind of ring rust. But I mean, when you're out for so long, the game changes like that in subtle ways that if you're not in there, you don't even realize because there's so much

that goes into being able to fight. It's more mental than it is physical when it gets down to fight week and being in the cage on fight day. So you have to be able to, you know, bring yourself there a little bit every single day and stay on top of the mental game. If you don't stay on top of the mental game, then when you get out there, you can't go out there and experience a ring rust. So you think somebody like John Jones, even one of the, maybe the single best fighter of all time, two years out of the ring, he's going to get that adrenaline

dumped the ring rust. And then you have somebody like Angana in there. It's recipe for disaster. Do you think John Jones is just so good? John Jones is so good, but there's something different about John Jones. Like John Jones, one thing that I really like about John Jones and I hold high praises for him for is because, in fact, that, you know, his life could be falling apart around a fight, but yet when he's in the cage, he's laser and focus and he's locked in.

That right there is a talent that a lot of people can't do. For me, I had a hard time juggling life outside and then getting inside the cage and not letting it affect my performance. So being able to do that isn't art form in itself. And John Jones has been able to, he's exhibited at time and time again. So it's hard to say if John Jones is gonna go in fall for and, you know, going have the ring rust that you will anticipate anybody else being out

as long as he has been. What do you think will win if these guys face each other? Man, it's a tough one to call to be honest. And I'm not just trying to say that to try to give a 50-50 answer, but, you know, you have Francis who has been a sponge. Training with Francis and seeing Francis' growth from the time he started to where he

is now is hard to say that he can't do all those things that a mixed martial artist fighters can do. Before, he only had the big power. Well, now he can grapple. Now he can wrestle. Now he can defend takedowns. Now he has a better understanding of where the fight needs to be and how to get a guy

to in his fight, you know. And then you have John Jones at the aspect, you know, who understands a great flow of a fight has great defense. And at the same time, he's just very smart inside the cage. So it's a very tough one to call, but I mean, here's a thing that I think about when I think about this matchup Is that you know when John Jones was at you know, 205 his last few fights He was getting caught with some punches, you know, and it was making him look a little bit more human

So I would say if he goes up the heavyweight and he doesn't patch up those holes Then he can get caught with a big shot and peak. Peak. Peak of John Jones versus Francis. Is it even, I'm talking peak, peak when John was peaking away. You were in the ring with the boys, Pete. Yeah, yeah. John Jones is something special when he was peaking. I mean, to fight, to fight how John Jones used to fight and back then it was just, it was ridiculous

because he was so creative inside the octagon and he had no fear. So when you don't have any fear and you have that creativity, you're looking at somebody who was just absolutely dynamic and then it's athleticism and it's brainging everything else that he had. So I would say John Jones, you know, people, you know, they don't want to give John

Jones his credit because of the things that he's done and things like that. But, you know, when you look at the talent, just of what he's been able to do, I mean, you just, you gotta give it to him because he's working with a different set of skills when it comes to physically. I was using the elbow as a jab. Well, that's the only loss. He's only lost is that elbow to the forehead, right? I mean, where they stopped and was like, oh my gosh,

I didn't know you can't do this. It was just like natural to lay it on the guy. But who's your top five? If you're, you know, you give your top five when the conversation comes up, you know, in every sport, there's that combo. Who do you put as an all-time grit? And by the way, not by weight class.

Just go. I will say John Jones number one I'll say Habib gotta go to number two okay I would say GSP you put a you put a beat with love and GSP yeah I And then I'll say Kamara Usman for and I'll say Anderson Silva. You put Silva fifth. Yeah.

It was a time also Silva was vicious, just nasty when he would fight. Yeah, I mean, these are guys that I like to fight. I mean, I love the way he'll be fight. And I think that, you know, GSB is amazing too. GSB has been my training partner for years and just absolutely amazing when it comes to fighting. And his fight IQ was just on another level. Who's he missing Pat? There's someone on your type 5. You know I listen, this is his world. Listen, the average person may who doesn't know the sport technically is going to say obviously how about Conor Gregor not being the top 5.

But to put those names, these guys went on a streak, all of those guys went on a streak of 20 matches. Maybe I'm mistaken. I think it's all of them have gone 20 plus undefeated, right? Obviously, John Jones, the only losses, the one that he had no clue what was going on. He started elbowing on the guy. Number two, you said Kabib, who was what,

28 and over, I don't know, is it? 29 and over. 29 and over, okay, so that's that guy. Three you put GSP, who he went on a rampage for a while. Four, you said Usman, who right now is undefeated, isn't he? How many matches has he, what is Usman's record today? I can even tell you. 19, 19 and over.

Well, that is, yeah, I mean, Usman is Usman. And then you got five being Silva, who went for a while as well. So given on a Romance, yeah, who's not on the list? He's very, very, he's very company bias here. He's got nobody from pride. Fader doesn't get any, any love We got we got nothing for for any of the graces. We got nothing. I mean, I'm thinking about you know, there's one as friends I can say, you know, I can say, I can say an honorable mention. I can say Fedor is definitely, you know, I forgot all about fader. See, I forgot about fader. I forgot about fader. Fedor, it can definitely be in the top

file. That's gotta be Vena White's biggest mistake, right? That's gotta be as big as regret you figure. Yeah, I mean, fader, not getting them over over a t-shirt. Tell the story. Well the story well the well the story as I understand that his fader has his own his own clothing line And he wanted to promote his own clothing line when he came to the Tyler pull up this guy fade or the And Dana's a ring Dana has a Reebok deal. You got to wear Reebok That's that's that is that is that on Dana or is that a UFC deal? They just could never come come They can never come together on the, on the sponsorship.

I wonder if it's the sport now, but Fator, man, Fator 20 years ago, I mean, Fator was a big. The fight on him and Randall, you can watch that on repeat and you'll never get tired of it. Just, some of the old school guys too. I mean, the rules were so different.

The guys had to fight five times at a night. You can get, you can get five times at a night. Grand Priest, that's the thing. Let me ask a different question. Let me ask a different question. So we just right now said fight fighters, right? And of course, you know, John Jones, Kaby, GSB, Usman, and at the bottom of Silva, top five greatest promoters who were also good fighters.

We don't even need to talk about number one. It's really who number two is, because number one is obviously, do you put anybody above him? Mon Ali? No, no, no, I'm talking Conner in their world. In their world. Do you put anybody here to Conner as a greatest promoter

who was a fighter talk, shit talker, you know, troll, all of that? Nobody's great in Conner. I mean, I would say number two will be Chale Sunnin. Okay. You should have said him, you definitely number two. Let's see, we'll be number three. The Diaz Brothers. be a chair son in. Okay. You should have done it. You should have done it. You should have done it. You should have done it.

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You should have done it. You should have done it. You should have done it. You should have done it. You should have let's see who else is on there. You think Kobe's a good promoter Kobe Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, he's a great promoter. He's a good promoter. Who else are we missing a name? Like I'm trying to see he said Anderson Sova and this is what I always loved about the spider the spider barely spoke English, but he was such a Performer inside the range. He was he dude. He was promoting his next fight while he was beating the opponent Like he was you know and you know until what's his name from Long Island caught him Like the that's what you were saying you do it for so long you do it for so long and all it takes is won't Chris widening Which I yeah, well wait a minute under story with son and then I want to go to yours is the press conference with sonan and and

And Silva where he says look all you guys are talking about English look if I go to Brazil there's an app to learn how to speak Brazilian. This guy is not traveling here from Brazil. He lives in Vegas and he flies to he lives in Beverly Hills and he flies to Vegas. I'm traveling all the way. I just feel sorry for me. How for this guy?

He was a great smack talk. He he he he brought it. He was phenomenal man. I mean he he would practice his lines and he would just get it down to the point where I mean, he was just so fluid with it. And he just, you know, he unlocked his talent. I think he's one of the big reasons to help, you know, Kobe Cummins and kind of come into his own. It just, you know, be the phenomenal promoter. Kobe is, I mean, Kobe is Kobe, Kobe's up there, you know, Kobe, Kobe's really good. Kobe says some stuff that he's kind of funny.

You know what I'm saying? He's kind of funny to things that he says. And I think that that's what it has to be. You have to be quick-witted, but at the same time, kind of funny at the same time. The fight world needs a heel for sure. Yeah, for sure. Who's Kobe fighting coming up?

Moms will be. Who's favorite in that? Kobe for sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. You said something very interesting. You said practice as long as you are. Are you telling me that Dana and the UFC are having guys,

they're giving guys some help with what they should say and leading up to the fights? No, these guys do it on the arm. It's 100% organic. 100% organic. The beef is 100% organic. It's not, you know, may weather and McGregor talking smack to each other and then going back and into the room

After the presses in there. I mean like good one old chap When the beef is because with MMA we still have that like that bushy to cold You know what we just kind of like honor and respect and then when somebody disrespect you It cuts at a different level, you know, so you can't just shake it off and it's not like, no, we're not friends until I punch you in the face, you know. And then after we punch friends until I punch you. Yeah, and then after we punch each other in the face a few times, respect, we are not friends. Respect, respect, respect.

Here's my question for you, bro. And here's what I want you to do here. All right, leave your humbleness at the door for one second. We're throwing all these names out there, okay? GSP, Connor, Promoting, Kobe, Usman, you're a frickin' hall of fame, or bro. Lose the humbleness, where are you at on this list? Like, give me a little, I'll tell you what,

give me something, where are you at? That's not me, man. I don't feel like I need to do that. I feel like I am who I know. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't feel like I need to, uh, to do that. You know, I feel like, um, you know, I am who I am, you know, and what I did is, but if you had to rank yourself in this top five, top 10, you're not, I wouldn't, I wouldn't rank my straight up. No, I wouldn't do it. Better question, Sean.

Could Adam last an entire minute in the ring with you? Not interested in the answer, Sean. 60 full human seconds. Now, let's talk about John seconds. That's not good. Let's talk about John Jones. Let's talk about John Jones and Greg Jackson, because, you know, the stories you were talking about with Greg Jackson on mental toughness, like some of the stuff is psychotic, like when you were saying on Jorougan, how you carry your guy and you have to be willing to die,

you know, for your buddies and to go through this, when when John came through, you're the older brother to him, right? You were playing because you were the guy that ran the camp and you made the camp popular. Everybody knew you were that name, right? And in this world, camps are very important, right? Great coach gets a great player. That player can also make the coach very famous. In sports, college, Tim Duncan made, pop pretty famous, Michael made, feel very famous, Kobe didn't really make

feel famous because Phil was already famous, but Michael made Phil's famous, right? How was John's energy when he came in? Because I've heard what you've said about him before, and the interview guys did together with, it was in Joe with somebody else interviewing the two of you guys before the fight. You know what I'm talking about.

And I've seen Daniel Cormier and him talk and what Daniel says about John, where he says he'll never change. You don't make mistakes over and over and over again, et cetera, et cetera. You hear that whole conversation with Joe, was I think hosting that interview. Who was John when he first walked into the camp?

Who was that guy? He was an eager student. John just wanted to learn very big imagination. He would after training, he'd be one of those guys who would just sit and just play around and kind of just try out different moves, like these different conceptual you know, conceptual moves, you know, things that you may never pull off, but you do those things over and over

again, things that people wouldn't expect. Very big imagination. Very eager to be the guy, you know, I remember we went out one time and he's like, oh man, what is it like to have, you know, people come up to you and want to take pictures. And I'm like, one day you'll find out, you know, you know, it's a super ambitious. Very ambitious. Curious. Was he humble?

Yeah, he was humble. He was a confident, very confident. So he had swagger even coming in. Oh, yeah, he wanted, he wanted to be, he wanted to be the guy and he knew one day he would be the guy. How old was he when you first met him? Maybe 21.

Maybe 21. And so when you guys were sparring, did you, I'm when you're practicing, did you say, this guy's different? Like, did you immediately feel that this guy is different than everybody else? Yeah, yeah. I remember what we're doing. We're doing, we're doing wrestling. We were doing wrestling. I used to take everybody down and, and I went with him for the first time. And I'm like, all right, I'll go. And he took me down. Now it's like first time, first time. And I was like, oh man.

So I mean, he's been wrestling his brothers this whole life. Yeah, two NFL play. He's a skinniest in the family. Yeah, he was 64 170 in junior year. Yeah, he's got a freaky dimension that kind of adds to, you know, his athleticism and what he's able to do in the eye of the gun. Was he a, was he a troublemaker before or did he pick up the habits after all the attention came?

Um, you know, I, I would say that, you know, John is, uh, I wouldn't say a troublemaker. I would just say that he would, um, what gets John in trouble is because every four, four weeks before his fight, he likes to blow off a little bit of steam and it's kind of like his ritual that he does where, you know, he wants to, you know, it's like a little celebration to himself, you know, and it's kind of like his thing where, you know, he'll go and he'll party like four weeks before he fights and then he'll finish the rest of his camp, you know, but when he goes, he goes hard, you know, I'm saying he goes hard in the paint. Yeah, but blow off a little literally, little too literally. Yeah, a little too literally.

But was that like was what I'm trying to find out is like, you know, sometimes I had I interviewed Billy being We had him at the event. Billy Bean, I don't know if you've seen a movie, Money Ball with Brad Pitt, the baseball movie, if you've seen it. And I said, Billy, you're recruited when you're recruiting guys, what are you looking for? He says, obviously talent, okay? Physical, like what you look like physically, you take care of yourself. And then he said, work ethic.

And then he said, upbringing. And upbringing is, if we don't have that, that's tough, because eventually this guy's gonna mess up his career. That's what he would say. So, they would look at a lot of stars, like for himself, he was coming up, they thought he's gonna be a big star, and MLB all star play very quickly, they realize,

you're good for, ML, you're good for triple layer, you're good for college, but you're gonna make it in the, he says, I knew very quickly. I don't belong in the sleep John knew he belonged in the league, but I Wonder like you know sometimes you're hanging out and I remember being in the army One weekend these guys are like we're gonna go and party at this place. I just got this gut feeling I'm like dude. I'm just not gonna go with these guys I'm just not getting a good feeling about these guys going where they're going so I didn't go that weekend

Everybody got arrested. Everybody went to jail. Everybody was dishonorably discharged that one weekend. So is it the DNA in him? Is it he learned it from somebody? Is it the friends? Is it the coach? What do you put that?

It's in him. Okay. He's got that wild side to him. There's a part. See, the same things that make it great in one area will make you not so great in the other area. You know what I'm saying? And the fact that he takes risk in that cage and he lives like that.

He takes risk in his life too. It's part of who he is. I think there are some things that he needs to sort out within himself. You know, and I feel that he's doing those things, but you know, being able to do those things and being able to confront a very ugly side of yourself is confronting it. You know what I'm saying? And being open and honest about it to the point

where you're willing to deal with it, and I feel like he still needs to make strides in that area. You know, being accountable for the things that actually, you know, keep bringing him back to that place, and I feel like he still needs to make strides in that area, being accountable for the things that actually, keep bringing him back to that place. And I feel like as he grows even more, because he's not the same kid he was, we need to make him mistakes.

He's still making those mistakes because he wasn't accountable for it before. He's 34 now. Yeah, so different ball game. It's a different ball game. And here's the sad thing. And here's what I do not want for him. I do not want him to still be making those mistakes.

Once there's no value in him anymore. Once people don't, you know, can't get another penny out of the ball. Because at that point, then you go down a whole different spiral. Different spiral, you know. And that's what I don't hope for. I hope that he, he figures it out because there's something in him that's causing him to keep going back to that place

and he is the only person that can sort that out. Does he have guys like you in his ears? You sound like a lot of different relationship today than the way you guys were speaking eight years ago. You know what I'm saying? You sound the way you're speaking about him. So have you guys mended? Have you guys spoken? Have you guys hung out? have you guys mend it? Have you guys spoken?

Have you guys hung out? Have you guys broken bread? Have you guys gone to dinner? Is there that relationship again? We don't have that relationship, but whenever I see him, I speak to him and say, what's up to him? Give him some well wishes and things like that.

I have nothing but love for the guy. There's a couple of times I have some dreams about him. I'm like, oh man, I got to check on John. So I'll call this manager Melkie. And like, hey, is John okay? I just had this crazy dream that, you know, this happened to him. You know, check on him, make sure that he's good, you know, because, you know, I care about the kid, you know what I'm saying?

And I don't want him to, I want him to be the guy that he can be. I want him to be that guy. You ever, like even coming up, you know, in the world of business, I've been around a lot of guys that were 10 times better than me in insurance, right? But you'd sit there and you'd talk, I'd watch, like we're in a room,

say somebody that's doing very well for themselves, they're giving counsel to us, right? I'd watch the other guys that I was in the same camp with. So imagine like an ultimate fight or whatever, but we're in an ultimate fight, but for insurance, right? And one of I was in the same camp with. So imagine like an ultimate fight or whatever, but we're in an ultimate fight or but for insurance, business, right? And one of the guys in the room just looked at everybody like with a smart, honest face like,

dude, I'm 10 times better than all you guys. You guys have no clue what you're talking about. I know what I'm, you could never give this person counsel. And God forbid if you did, the level of sensitivity to the roof, oh my gosh, you get uncomfortable. You know what I'm talking about. There's no way a guy gets that good without having taken coaching from somebody.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like, there's no way you're born with those abilities. So he must have the ability to take the coaching in areas that he wants to. But the other side where, you know, a Cormier says he'll never change. Do know, a Cormier says he'll never change. Do you agree with Cormier that he'll never change certain things?

I don't agree with that. You know, I think that people can change all the time and I feel like it just takes the right situation to make that change happen. You know, I'm not the person who I was 10 years ago and so many different aspects. And I even five years ago, you know, I've changed in so many different ways and that change happened within me, but it took me realizing it, you know, no one could make me change

it was something that I needed to see for myself to have that change happen. And you never know what happens in life, you know, life can pull you in a different, you know, direction and, you know, have you see something that you didn't see before and then you change as a person? Yeah, listen, this is coming from a fan. You know, from a fan perspective, you wanna see this guy figured out, because the guy is, he's got Michael in him,

but he's got Rodman in him. So, we were diagnosed with Rodman too. He's got the restaurant, maybe a little Dwight Gooden. You can. But again, I ask him a question. Yeah. Right now, basically what you're talking about is growing up in personal growth. Okay.

And Pat, let off the entire conversation with who you are when you are age 22 versus now you're 42. So you did a hot box in with Mike Tyson. And I mean, the first half hour, you were talking about things that you used to do and things that you're doing now So my question revolves around personal growth You're now a vegan You used to say you know you eat meat whatever you used to party smoke drink whatever that you know that kind of lifestyle now You're doing mushrooms you have your metatode. Yeah, you know you talked about DMT. I've done DMT.

That's it's wild. I've done some mushrooms. Mom, hope you're not listening. But my question is, like, you've grown up. Clearly, you've got, like, you got to go on on, bro. Like, you're knocking people out in the ring, but here, just like, you're very chill, casual, dude. The personal growth.

When did you have to grow up? And what did that, what you're doing now with your company, is it metatoed? Is that what it is? Yeah, metatoed. Just explain the personal growth and where you're at, even with your diet, your health, your exercise, your mentality, your emotions, things that you're putting in your body.

Where's that all at? You know, I felt like I needed to grow up and just, you know, when I just kept bumping my head, you know, and just having things set back, it happened to me and just trying to figure out like where it was coming from, you know, and how I was my own worst enemy and how I kept on causing myself

to have these same repeating patterns in my life. And, you know, facing a lot of part of myself that I didn't want to face before, you know, and, you know, I point to to psychedelics not because I'm like, everybody needs to use psychedelics in order to get to find truth. But using psychedelics allows me to get perspective. The only thing that can help you get perspective without it is time. But sometimes you don't have time.

And being able to get the perspective that I have when I was using psychedelics, allowing me to see areas in myself that I was, I needed to change and errors I needed to confront. And those was a spawn of me, changing and wanting to do better for myself and, you know, doing, you know, doing better for people that I affected, you know, by being a certain kind of way.

And that was only something that I only, I could do for myself. There was only something that I had to see for myself, but, you know, I wasn't able to see for myself because I was caught in a habitual pattern of just doing the same thing and not being able to see, you know, where I was caught in a habitual pattern of just doing the same thing and not being able to see where I was coming up short. And so it's been a different path for me. And that's why even my name came back to fighting. Just because I want to feel it from this perspective.

I fought from one perspective for the longest time, but I never fought in this perspective. And I wanted to just have that experience that because I've grown so much in this area where I just wanted to see what it would be like now. It's hard to fight from a place of confidence like that from yourself. So much of fighting comes from self-hatred and self-loathing and You know externalizing a lot of the things that that you know, you've internalized your whole life So now when you find peace

Do you is there any fear that you won't have that same rage? You won't be able to to unleash that that same you know get yourself into that same, you know violent primordial being You need to be to face another man like that That's a good question now. I feel like that's one of the things that kind of led to me not fighting the way I felt like I needed to fight in the last few fights because I found peace in a lot of different areas where I was struggling before. Fighting has been therapy for me to be honest. Some of the things that I was working through in life, I found a way to work through them through fighting. But now as a fighter, and where I'm at right now,

I don't feel like I need to be angry or have the feelings of that dog in that kind of way. Now I know how to hit a switch and mentally bring myself to that point and, you know, unleash that beast and be savage when I need to be and at the same time, you know, be another way when I need to be. Well, it's not just you. I mean, you know, you look at guys in the NFL,

they don't know that at the end of their career they can turn it off or even the off season they can't turn it off. You look at dudes that are fighting, you look at soldiers who come back. I mean, when you're, and it's not necessarily their fault, when you're trained to be a hammer, all you're gonna see is nails.

Right. You know, so, I mean, in that regard, I mean, it's a really interesting, you're almost like a case study, you're a case study for, you know, professionally violent people to see if they can kind of turn it on, turn it off, and if it can be controlled violence, or if that just kind of takes over your personality.

Yeah, I mean, it's a very interesting process to be honest, because you have this mindset where you are a fighter, and when you engage that beast enough times, it just becomes who you are on so many different levels. So then when you don't have it anymore, you have to find a new way to let it out, you know, without letting it out in an uncontrolled manner that is not acceptable anymore because, you know, the best thing about the 15 minutes of fighting is the fact that that's your

chance to let it all out, you know, be the animal that you want to be, and it feels good. It feels good to just let it out, but you're not always going to have that in life, so you have to find different avenues to let it out. And I've been fortunate enough to learn how to do that outside of fighting, and now that I felt like I've learned how to do that, I feel like, you know, I'm ready to fight again. Yeah, that's, you know, the famous quote. I mean, this goes back to what Pat was saying about John Jones. You know, the problem is you're staring to the darkness long enough and eventually the

darkness stares back, right? So, you know, if John Jones is trained to be a fighter and there's nothing, there's nobody in front of him to fight, he's going to start fighting himself. Yeah. Because other guys find that you, you know, said one other thing, life outside of fighting. You know, for guys, you see so many great, great, great champions that they don't know when to walk away. You see Ken Shamrock, I think, was still fighting.

Guys, when you saw Ben Askren going up there and taking that, I saw Brendan Schaub says it's not a dive. I don't know what your opinion on that is, but I saw Robbie Lawler put his fist or Ben Askren's face and him not, did not, him not go down. So I don't know what your thoughts are. And Ben Asker and versus Jake Paul, if you want to say him, but I mean, I don't know, I don't know.

I mean, look, I'm not going to take a dive. I'm not going to let somebody punch me in the face like that and take a dive. I mean, I think Jake just really caught him. Really? What about Tyrone Woodley? Is there any chance he took a dive? Because he got knocked out. No, Jake caught him. Really? What about Tyrone Woodley? Is there any chance he took a dive? Because he got knocked out.

No, Jake caught him again. I mean, listen, I hate to say it because I was not a fan of the Jake Paul and the Paul brothers doing anything, but they wanted me over. Really? You got to respect them. You got to respect them because I mean, it's not easy what they did. How bad would you mess up Jake Paul? I mean, I like to believe I'll mess them up pretty bad, but I mean, you know, Jake is doing some things now. You know what I'm saying? He's

you're a boxy hall of fame. I'm just I'm just saying like, I'm not a boxer. That's not I'm not a boxer. So what's the difference between the two for those layman's out here? Pace the timing the distance, you know, the cadence of the punches, you know, you know, you got to be able to understand that in order to you can't just like jump into a box and match and just think that you can definitely. It's a totally different. So long drive competition compared to 18 holes of golf. It's home run derby or dunk contest. We compare to basketball.

You have to have, you know, to go up against him, he's gonna grapple you. He's gonna strike from the outside. He's gonna kick you with your legs from every angle. I mean, the amount of stuff that you have to prepare for is insane. Like for instance, like T-Wood is known for that big overhand right,

but that was predicated off the fact that he had the ability to take you down. So you had to respect the fact that he could take you down. And you're not even worrying about that. You just straight boxing. You just straight boxing, yeah. By the way, so here's a question. You got Francis, who's destroying people, right,

with a swing. And then you got Tyson Fury, who is undefeated. And one looks like a boxer. The other one looks like a bartender, right, with a swing. And then you got Tyson Fury, who is undefeated. And one looks like a boxer. The other one looks like a bartender, right? Even he jokes about. No, no, he posted a picture the other day, he says, this guy looks like a boxer. This guy does not but this guy whooped his ass. Like that's what he said on his Instagram post. But if, but if a fury today fights Francis, boxing, obviously in the other area, it's a different story. But it's in the boxing by the boxing rules.

Does Tyson still win? 100%. 100%. I mean, listen, listen. Listen, as today, right now. No, I'm talking right now, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Francis hasn't been boxing, right? I mean, listen, Francis can box,

but to dismiss Tyson Fury, just by the way, as body is, you're dismissing his boxing skill. Tyson Fury is extremely fast. He has, you know, very good footwork. You know, he has very good setups with his punches. I mean, Deonte Walder, I mean, his skill level when it comes to showing his straight ones and twos may not be the cleanest, but he can box, you know what I'm saying?

Wilder. Wilder can, wilder can box. So maybe Wilder, Francis is a better fight. That'd be a better fight. I see what you're saying. I think that, I think that, I think that, if Deonte Walder and Francis fought, I like Francis in that fight. You overwilder.

Overwilder. I like Francis in that fight. Because Walder throws on wild punches when it comes. But if they connect, you going down. Back to Jake Paul, he's just making mincemeat of these UFC guys. You brought up Ben Affler and that way. Let's get in UFC guys you brought up let's talk boxers where is he in an actual boxing match if he's fighting a real boxer you know like I don't know if you're he's brothers a good example it is way class to the way Adam because he's been fighting people 20

bucks in a real boxer okay something that I'm clarifying right now is like all right cool it's not the same thing. Boxing UFC, you know, use the home run derby versus a real baseball game. If you fight a real boxer, where's that go? Probably not well for him, you know, because it's truth or matter, is you know, he still makes a lot of amateur mistakes

when he's out there, you know. He's fighting exactly who he needs to be fighting. And I think this is the stick that he needs to stick with because, you know, he doesn't need to be fighting any real boxers that's been fighting since they were kids because the truth that matters, he will get exposed in that respect, you know. He's got 40 million reasons to keep messing up UFC guys,

I mean, I guess he's supposed to fight in Mike Tyson soon. So I don't know about that. I mean, story on that path. I mean, that's, that's what I heard. I mean, but if he fight in Mike Tyson, yeah, where you at with that? Mike is going to destroy him. Because Mike, Mike don't play boxing.

Mike don't play boxing. Mike would destroy him. Mike would, Mike would listen. Mike is a different, different animal altogether. Mike is, Mike is something different. Like, Mike is the kind of different animal altogether. Mike is something different. Like Mike is the kind of guy who, like he's become very civilized, but he's still very, very savage.

Very savage. Up until what age? Meaning 55 Mike Tyson or Massimup, 65? Well, it's 55, he's seven years away from getting social security. Yeah. It's 55, I don away from getting social security. Yeah. 55 is 55. I don't know what we're talking about.

He smokes a lot. He takes a lot of mushroom. So he's got different perspective. I mean, Mike trains too. Mike is not just, he doesn't, he doesn't just do it to, you know, to get in shape for a fight. Mike is training all the time. He's consistently training.

He's been able to, you know, find a second win when it comes to training. He's been able to find a second win when it comes to the love of the sport, which pushed him out of the box in general. But now he loves it again. And now that he loves it again, he's into it. You know, he's into boxing and he's... But by the way, would you make the comparison of John Jones and Mike Tyson more than John Jones and Dennis Rodman, would you would you make that like?

You know a personality the more the Extracurricular activities outside of the ring would you make that comparison? I'll say no, I mean because No one Mike Tyson Mike is He's a very cerebral guy Mike is one of the smartest guys that That you that you're gonna that you're gonna meet. I would say when Mike gets himself in situations, is because he allowed himself to get overwhelmed

with a situation. He doesn't handle being overwhelmed really well. You know what I'm saying? Like Mike doesn't. Mike doesn't, he doesn't. Well, you know that Pat and Tyson were in the ring together one time. Yeah, it was pretty intense. What would you like? What was it? I'm so what was the one thing? Oh, he interviewed him in a row boxing. Yeah, but but you know what he is

Extremely intense extremely smart, but the reason why you know the jard used the word case study You know if you look at everybody as a case study. I'm a case study, you're a case study, we're all case studies, you're right. But if you look at everybody as a case study, Mike thinks changed when the guy who believed in him passed away. So it was an event. Custom auto.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I asked him the question, I wonder if something like that happened to John. There is a very interesting dynamic between a father and a son where the father earns the respect that a son to the point where the son is willing to take the feedback from the father to not one of the disappoint the father. That dynamic is a very powerful dynamic. When you know and have it, if another man plays that role for you, it can really help shape your life, right?

Is there someone like that in John's life? I think that person was his mother. Okay. And his mother. And his mother was somebody who, you know, she was a great woman. You know, this woman, when I was getting ready to fight John and the height of our beef, you know, she was blind, but you know, she knew I'd walk into the room. And she was like, is that a shot?

And then her husband, yeah, that's a shot. And maybe a shot, I know you didn't walk in the room without saying hi to me. And she would just like always make me speak to her. But she would just, you know, she'd be like, I know you and John going through it, but you know, when she just like, you know, give me, give me love, you know what I'm saying?

So she was a very special woman, very spiritual woman. And I feel like she was John's, you know, spiritual anchor. And I feel like a lot of the things that we see and John now is maybe him dealing with shades of that emotion. Yeah, she passed away a few years ago. Who was that for you? Oh, man, who was that for me? I would say, I would say it's my mom. My mom is my mom is my rock. I can call my mom. And she always got some, got some advice.

Veshaw, now listen, I know you got a fight coming up with Veshaw, listen, when you go out there Veshaw, you got a hit Veshaw, you got a hit and keep him hit Veshaw. It's great advice, mom. I wasn't going to actually hit him, but you know, based on that, that almost sounded like that old cannabis song back in the day with the- Cannot bust. Yeah, with the Sekarad Knockout with Mike Tyson. Cannabis, man.

You got to hit him. Sekarad Knockout. That's a cool shake. Yeah, that's right. But you can't underestimate moms, right? My mom is a undefeated flyweight in our house. The kitchen was the octagon and she's under here. You know?

Babs. Babs. First round knockouts. If she calls you the kitchen, you've done something wrong. Welcome to the octagon and she's under the bed. Babs. Babs. First round knockouts. If she calls you to the kitchen, you've done something wrong. Welcome to the octagon. You're going down. Pat, I think you were going somewhere with your question about John because your life changed forever the day that your dad had a heart attack, right?

Yeah, no, listen, for me, I dramatically changed my life. So I wonder when a courier says, he's never going to change. And everybody I've interviewed from the UFC side, I've talked to, I've always asked, who do you think in one day replace Dana White? I gotta tell you, unanimously, do you think Connor could do it?

No, do you think Joe could do it? Joe wouldn't want to, do you think this, almost everybody I've asked, who could replace Dana's job as courier? I'm telling you, that's what a lot of people said. Do you think this, almost everybody of us who could replace Dana's job is Cormier. I'm telling you, that's what a lot of people say. Maybe you disagree with that. Not in DC camera, sure. So they say DC, so I ask why?

Because Dana is straight up and he'll tell you your flaws. You screwed up. Like Dana will see on the camera and say, what the hell was he doing throwing something on the bus? What are you doing? Like what were you thinking? Or what are you thinking jumping out

or in that one fight where Kabeebs like, give me the belt, I won my belt. Let me tell you something. If I give you the belt right now, here's what I think is gonna happen. This place gonna go crazy, shit's gonna get ugly, I'm gonna give you to you later. I can handle it, I'm not giving you the belt.

Those are not easy conversations to have. The average person will be like, all right, here you go. Let me give you the belt. No, the guy sticks and date for for DC to say A person doesn't make the same mistake over and over and over and over and over and over again, right? That's a tough thing to tell somebody. Yeah, you know, that's a very tough thing to say somebody so does a DC believe that You know and then I see a story with me, the change.

My dad and I have the biggest debates all the time. Here's my dad and I's biggest debate. I would have my friends come over and say, that I think this guy's gonna make a very big impact in his life, so no, he's not. I said, what are you talking about? You know what he would say? He would say, look how short he is, look what he weighs.

He said, this can't even discipline his diet. You think he can discipline to work? That's my dad, how brutal he was. I had a friend of mine He would come over two guys would come over to our house He'd call both of them Gordon. You know what Gordon means Gordon is like a chunky little Yeah, one of them Never showed up again the last time he wasn't the room with my daddy was 25 He's 43 right now because he's afraid my dad's gonna say, hey, Gordon, hey, Gordon, that's my dad, right?

How he is. I said, you can't talk to people like that. He's fat, well, you haven't even tell him. So he's gone better over the years. He's 79, now he's listening to this year. But he'll call this guy, Gordon. Now, another guy he called him, Gordon, George Palayo. He says, hey, Gordon, when are you gonna fix that?

Look at your pants, it doesn't fit. When are you gonna, my dad would straight up, and by the way, my dad, is he the sweetest guy or what? He's the nicest guy you'll meet right most cerebral Smartest yeah, like it's almost like a real life Socrates. Yeah real talk just a chill guy. He's five Hattolize I'm six four six five. Hattolize my dad. What would you say my dad? I think he's about five nine. I want to give an intro to it. It's a five five seven But he's just like this, right?

You know what George did with it? He changed. George don't make three million out of this. You're at 34 years old, 35 years old, right? But he changed. He decided to say, maybe the sky's right. You know what I'm saying? Maybe there's some out of that's given a feedback.

So, one day we're having a debate with my dad and I say, Dad, I think that guy can change. He'll never change. Dad, I think that guy can't change. Patrick, I'm telling you. He'll never change. That I think that guy can change. Patrick, I'm telling you. He'll never change. You think everybody is willing to work their asses off like you're working. What do you think the world is like? That guy is not going to change. He was right half the time. I was right half the time. Okay, meaning there were guys that I believe but I bank on believe and people can change. The story of my life is I believe people can change, right?

There's a part of it where you wonder, it's so deep rooted to the core that, you know, I mean, Nike contract, you know what I mean? The only UFC fight that's ever been canceled was 151 with Dan Henderson. You know, it's the only one ever that, you know, Dana's like, and he second chance, third chance, four chance, all of this stuff. You're talking about John Jones here, right? Yeah, John Jones was going to fight. What was the fight? It was another fight and then Anthony Johnson.

Anthony Johnson and he got an, you know, test deposit, test deposit. Yeah, so all of these things, and then last minute, Dana doesn't want to cancel a fight. Are you freaking kidding me? Who the hell wants to cancel a fight? It's a bad look on the sport, right? You have to refund cancellations. All this bullshit, you got a media's gonna write about it. They're struggling, they're going out of business.

Nobody's watching them anymore. Who the hell wants to answer all these questions, right? So yeah, I wonder who's in his ear. Well, Dana even said, Dana said it's impossible for me to bet on John Jones in a week in a Vegas. It's impossible for me to bet on John Jones in a weekend of Vegas. It's impossible for me to bet on John Jones. Do you know how tough that is for a guy who has given people, not just him. He's given people so many seconds. He's like Jimmy Johnson.

Jimmy Johnson, I like to go get people who got arrested, who they did. That was his motto, right? Even Bill Bella checkers get at doing that. He did that with a few different guys. I mean, this isn't an industry where you're pulling guys out of Cornell. You know, you know, you know, listen, listen, neither is, listen, Michael, you tell me, my Emmy was. You think my Emmy hurricane, that's all I mean. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's a place in this world from pirates, though, bro, you know what I'm saying? I get, I get there is there's a place for pirates, but I think when John sends, I'll change. I think he wants to.

That's the difference. Like you see John's interview and he says, I'm gonna change. I want to change. I think he wants to. Then there is somebody else in the year. Who is that? Is the right person in the year?

Is the person willing to listen to the person in the year? But, bro, let me give you a different aspect. I guarantee you. Well, here's my question. And I'm gonna open it up for you. Hypothetic. I don't know John Jones anywhere near where you guys. Everyone here has said that he's the number one guy of all time.

Everyone. Why would he change? Maybe what is keeping him freaking mad and doing that is what is the reason that he's number one. I actually don't know. I can't believe like Tiger was when Tiger was changed. He wasn't Tiger was. I'm just saying like why would he change? That's a literal great. What happened from what? No, but that's not the point though. Listen, Tiger, we're giving it a great great great example.

But Tiger was his example was 16 porn stars guys. This guy was winning masters. Yeah, no, no, but that's not the point though. The point that Tiger gets credit on what he said, which is not everybody can do this. We have a guy that I work with, Jose Guy Town. Okay, we're sitting in my office one time. I'm the interviewer in this guy who wants to work with us. Jose is sitting over here.

I'm sitting over here. We're in Northridge, California, which is the earthquake capital of the world, right? Sit in Tonga, so Johnny, tell me about your background. Who are you in high school? I'm asking them all these questions. All of a sudden, massive earthquake is going in the middle of the interview.

Glass is going like this. Shit's falling down. No joke. This guy, I looked at it right to look at the window. I looked at it left. This guy's running out the window, right? He's running out the door. He's out. He left the office. He went outside. No, no, not guy. Time. The other guy. Here's Jose.

So bad. What you should probably leave the building. What do you think? I said, yeah. He just goes, you know, real slow. Gets up. He starts walking on. Jose, dude, a hurricane could hit. an earthquake could hit. He's still going to be texting the person that's going to be able to do it. But what I'm saying is, like, a people who can balance shits not going right in your personal life and you're still winning. Tiger could pull that off, right? Not a lot of people can do that. John Jones could pull that off. Not a lot of people can do that. But for every story like that, you hear there's a ton of stories that end with a horror story. And this guy's got a family, this

guy's got people to love them And at the end of the day I get like even Michael Michael was reckless totally get Michael was reckless, but to what level though? Lauren's Taylor. I mean it goes on Yeah, but Lauren's Taylor that story is not didn't end well Lauren still could have had a complete different career for himself How much better promise though the promise not the sport though not the sport though. Not the sport, life is bigot and sports though. Life is bigot and sports. Yeah, the problem is sometimes these athletes, you know, they have this dark passenger like this,

other sides of themselves that allows them to rise to the occasion and that darkness needs to eat and needs to feed, you know, so you have to do dark things in order to feed it and Sometimes they overindulge in it, you know, and it becomes and it takes over who they are, you know, but you have to be able to Be able to understand the difference between the two you have to understand when it's time to feed the base Yeah, and when it's time not to you know and if you Are getting overindulging and feeding it then you're out of balance because it's all it's when it's time not to, you know, and if you are getting overindulging

and feeding it, then you're out of balance because it's all it's all it's all standing balance. For example, you know, Jordan Peterson says what, you got to be a monster, be a monster, totally get it. You know, Tim Grover in the book Relentless, I don't know if you've read it or not, he talks about how all the great ones have a vice, like the internal vice that we deal with. Everybody here, we all sin in a different way, but ain't nobody near free. If people went through your search history or they went through your phone text and the way you've done some conversations behind closed doors with

people, we would all be embarrassed right now with some of the shit that we've done, right? But then, you know, we had Samuida Bolgravano comes and we go to a restaurant, Casa de Angelo. I don't know if you know what Samuida Bolgravano is. Yeah, Samuida was so okay. So we go to Casa, we're center, we're having dinner. One guy shows up, John Mason, okay. And he sits in the corner, we're having dinner. Sammy looks at John and he keeps staring at him, right? And John, John was a wanted to come, he was dying to come, but he didn't want to die to come. You know what I mean?

Like one of those situations. So he said, hey, Sammy, how are you? He's not even making eye contact. So Mario starts joking around telling Sammy, Sammy, I just want to let you know, while I was outside, John was talking major smack about your face. He's like, Johnny May, no, I wasn't. He's lying. No, I went, John is like literally like,

doesn't realize that Mario and Samuel are playing a joke on this guy. Shook. But here's the part. So you know Sam is capable. That's the part. The fact that he can go to a very, very dark side, you know? That's like the part about having a gun.

You don't have a gun to use it every single day, just because you have it. You have a gun so the other person says, hey, how you doing? Everything good? Awesome. Great. Thank you so much.

We're coming to our liquor store and I get the hell out of you, right? I'm capable. I think John, we all know you're capable, but Doug, just like, you know what I mean? Because this thing is, look, if you're as agent, you're as manager, right? So, well, you know, this part of darkness,

this part of this, how big of a contract with that Nike contract, that meant for John? I mean, he would have jumped into a different stratosphere when you come to who he was. Yeah, that's a $100 million contract. Yeah, that's gonna be a massive contract, you're set, right? Well, I just didn't wanna do it. So, those are the things that for me. I, you know, you're set, right? Well, I just didn't want to do it. You know, so those are those are the things that for me.

I, you know, you win in life and we typically forget who gave us that one counselor who was there in that moment that told us to do this and to do that. And we were about to screw up where you make that additional phone call. You know, you make that phone call to somebody. You got to live. If you were to make a list of names of people that impacted your life, you probably come up with 20, 30, 40 names and say, in this point in my life I was 17, this person said this. At 18, my wrestling coach said this. At 19, a bartender I was working with, the boss said this. At 19 and a half, my mom said this. At 20 and a half, when girl that left me said this, you know,

you got it. Yeah. So, but I think, I think the problem is also the fact that we're putting this on who does he have around them. At the end of the day, it has to come from here. You know what I'm saying? And I feel, I may sound like, hey, be for saying this, but I think five grams of mushrooms is said John. I'll tell you what, it would be a lot better for his career than five grams of the white cells.

What do you think that would actually do for? Huh? Because nobody gets better when they do cocaine. I'm gonna say this, rather than do a cox. If what would the mushrooms do for him? If he did, if he did the toad, which is five, MEO, DMT, not the regular stuff that people do with the, you know, the other, you know, that right there would, would show him something, you know, because it's a, it's a totally

different experience, but at the same time, you, you're almost reborn at that moment, you know, some medicine that just completely just changes everything that you even know as, as reality and even yourself. So I think he needs something powerful like that, because what he's searching for, he may not even know anymore. You know, he just may be feeling that something is not right and he's trying to chase it. So.

What are they call it, chasing the dragon and you never catch it? Never catch it. Rishad, have you, people see you on the street. You go to a bar, you go to a party. Do people still try to like act like they're tough enough to take? Do you have that happen? Or most people like, listen, this is my resume.

My name is Rashad Evans. I will destroy. Do average guys try to act tough around you or no? No, they don't. They don't. They don't. You ever gone to a really good street fight? A really good street fight.

Have I gotten to really go from that you remember? I mean, I've gotten to a street fight as a professional athlete. That's what I'm saying. That part, not at high school. Like as a professional athlete. Yeah, I have. What was that like? Well, I was, I was standing at this hotel in Toronto, feeling this movie.

And these guys came back and they were being really loud and they're like knocking on all the doors as they walk and buy. And I just got back from being, you know, from shooting. It was probably like around 2.30. How would you want to say that? And in the morning, I'm like, maybe 30 years old. So peak. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's a bad time. Bad time, bad time. So I go, I put my head out the door and I do my old man's voice. I'm like, hey guys, why don't you just shut all down, you know? You got this voice thing. You got some good voices. I'm gonna live in Bokas, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But you kids get off my lawn. And you son of the bitches. So, so I say that to him and then they started getting lippy, right? So I'm just like laughing and then I'm like, all right guys, just, just calm down. So, as I stuck my mouth the window, the door, they started walking, all right guys, just calm down. So as I stuck my mouth to the door, they started walking down to my eyes, by the way.

There's three of them. There's three guys walked down to my door. And I'm still like, you know, still like in joking around mold, but these guys are kind of knee-reated and they're kind of like kind of pressuring the action. So I have my door open, and they're standing right in front of my door,

and they're threatening me, they're gonna do things to me. I said, look, if you cross into my room, I'm going to let you have it. So I see one of the guys like that's more of the agitated than the rest of them, the other two just kind of like backing him up. And then he walks forward and he doesn't even get to my room. I just start feeding them and I just start hitting them. Mushrooms of course. Yeah. Mushrooms. Now to start hitting them and then I just start feeding them and I just start hitting them mushrooms of course Now to start hitting them and then I just start hitting his buddies and then The security guards came and you know, I didn't get kicked out of the hotel, but it was they didn't know who you were or they knew who you were They didn't know where they know That's what I'm saying. How bad did they get messed up? I fed them pretty good

So if you can beat up three 20 year olds fed them at the same time. How many 10 year olds do you think? It's like a step brother. By the way, is this a segue for our friend Paul to walk in? Listen, are we ready to look at the Mazvidol video? Because we went through Street Fight. I kind of want to see what he's going to say. Even if we watch a couple minutes of it, before we go to Paul video, go ahead, go ahead, Gerard. Just real quick, before we get to Paul, you fought Chuck Lidon. Chuck Lidon, when I was growing up,

the ice man was like, I mean, he was untouchable. And then he got touched. And he seemed to never be the same fighter again. And the same thing happened on Roy Jones. The guy was the greatest of all time, Tarver hit him with the overhand right, and he was never the same fighter again. Do you think the concept of being a shot fighter is a real thing?

Do you think you lose a step and then the follow up to that is, do you think McGregor is ever going to be the same guy ever again? Or is the book out? You can't lose a step for sure. 100%. A lot of guys, when they take a big shot like that, it's all about doing the right rehab. When you don't get your neck and everything, look at it and you don't restore the body, give yourself enough time off, then that button

is easier to press. But then at a certain age, it's easier to turn that button off. So you only have so many fights in you. And if you take too many shots too early, then that fight. Is it the actual shots? Is it that you lose that air of invincibilitybility people aren't as afraid to come after you Is it you actually lose a physical step or you had a hole there the whole time like maybe Roy Jones had that overhand right Hold the whole time just nobody threw it before tarver

It's just what happens that these guys are Untouchable and then all of a sudden three four five losses in a row It's a combination of everything You know it's a part of the fact that they can't take a shot. Then it's another part of the fact that they're not used to taking a shot. And then when you do get hit with a shot, you kind of go into panic mode

because you're not used to that or you start having those thoughts where you're in your mind like, oh shit, not this happened again. You start to worry about it and you're not able to recover. So it's a combination of different things. So when you look at a guy like McGregor,

is the book out on him, does he need to completely redesign his training module, or is it just time he had his run and it's over? I think he can rebuild. You know, I'm looking at McGregor now. Have you guys seen McGregor now? Oh my gosh. He's big.

He's big. There's no water, I guess, or anything like that going on. I don't know. I mean, he's still in a test and pool So he has to be doing everything legal. I don't know how he's I don't know what it looks like. He's trying to fight in the heavy Looks like he's a gorilla. Yeah, I mean listen if he's still trying to fight 155 I don't know how he's gonna make that weight not gonna happen. No, he's really massive right now What do you think your ways right now 180 something? Yeah, maybe 190. I mean, he's got he's got like that

That that built where shoulders look like like his heart of white bizzare. So it's, you would know. I do know what you're saying. But I mean, it's, I think he can do. I mean, if anybody, if anybody who can come back and do it as McGregor, because McGregor has, he was propelled by belief, you know what I'm saying? He's one of those guys who, you know, was like the outly, he said it and he went outlled by belief. You know what I'm saying? He's one of those guys who was like the outly, he said it and he went out and did it. So he can do it out again. Here's a video of Mazvidal street fighting back in the days.

My amy. Yeah, Miami. So put the audio so we can hear it. In shorts. Look at the shorts. Nobody rocks shorts. And his belt is not even at the right loop. Ha, ha, ha. Can you move that one?

Okay, there you go. That's great technique though, man. You see how his hands are right, so he's catching everything. So the guy, even if he does land, he's getting kind of deflected off of his hands. He's not blinking either. He can't teach it. No. This guy's way bigger.

Way bigger. He's doing it. Mazda does one good thing. He wants to the body. Now he's going for top. How old is he here, but he's doing it. Mazda's doing a good thing going to the body now. He's gonna go for top How old is he here about? I'm curious Them hands are fast boy The composure though, that's that's what I'm looking at see how composes Game ready right there right there

Still going to the body like a Kim Bo slice in the background, bro Spinning back in But you know what it is though like this guy's getting off on them too, but it's the posture in that What it is though like this guy's getting off on them too, but it's the posture in that Georgia's doing afterwards to let the guy know that he hasn't landed anything so the guys losing confidence wow So that plays as big of a role. You need roll you imagine the guy next door to taco joint just waiting My any by the way I do this every week. Yeah, I don't know if you guys would think I'm out. Oh man. I always go right again. See?

Oh. What is the, what is the laws against street fights? Like I knew you had to know. Yeah, no, this is legal. I don't know, you were doing the underground, you know, the fight club type of thing. All of this is illegal, right? You can't.

This is illegal. A fight is illegal, but a street fight paying betting. That's that's the part that's illegal. That's illegal. Yeah. This is a throwback, man, to when they used to have fights on the barges outside of New York City, because fighting was illegal in the turn of the century. So they'd get on the barges, float out, and then they'd have these these massive fights. See now, no, no, no, Jorge got his timing. Now he knows he got his timing. It's over at this point. Yeah.

This is also why there's rounds, right? Oh, yeah, knee got him. Oh, see? That's what you're saying. A heavyweight just has to get around one, right? That's it. But look, it's the posture that he has. And he's not.

Bro, and you think Kobe is gonna take down Monster Dome. I mean, I love Monster Dome, man, he's my guy, but I just think that Kobe, he has a rustling. He has a rustling, that rustling. It's just, is at another level because he doesn't stop the pace that he's able to wrestle. Not a lot of people can handle that pace, you know. It's all about pace, you know.

And if you're a guy like Kobe Cummins and who can keep pushing the pace and going, going, go, it's harder to feed a guy like that, you know. And and Mazurall, you know, they trained together before. So there's a lot more to it, you know what I'm saying? And there's, there's more to the story, you know what I'm saying. Kobe didn't call this guy out. He didn't call Jorge out because he didn't think that he could beat him.

There's something that happened in the training that he remembers that Mazda remembers that is gonna put a bit of animosity there though. Oh yeah. This one is real animosity. And it's been for a few years of animosity. It's not like it's a new thing. Yeah, it's been brewing for a while, man.

But you know, it's hard to go against Mazuraw. You know what I'm saying? Because Mazuraw, you know, he came out on the scene and he really showed who he was within the last couple of years. And it seemed like a lot of things have come together for him. But I mean, Kobe coming to it is. And Usman beat both of them, though. Yeah. Who does he think is going to win? I don't know. I don't know. I would say if I was a guest for him, I would say he'll think that Kobe

coming to the end of the day. Behind Kobe's like the only guy that's given Usman even a little bit of promise. I mean, the last few fights. Yeah. I mean, if it goes, if it goes a sixth round and that last coming to him was coming on,

I couldn't believe it. I thought he was done. We were out of the fight. Orbs. Yeah. It's a second round. We were second rarely. There's something very unique about Kobe by the way. There's a dog fight in him. Yeah. You know, there's a very unique thing about him about Mazvedal. Here's

the thing about Mazvedal. You saw how that guy just not a punched a Mazvedal all of a sudden and Mazvedal was adrapped. That could happen with Jorge. Jorge has a weapon. And if one of these things connects, Kobe's got a great, you know, he can, he can take it. Yeah. But Mazavidol can give it. It'll be interesting. What happens? I think Vegas is way towards Kobe than Mazavidol. Is, uh, is Usman looking at Gachi next? Or is he looking to move up in way class? Um, I think, I think they might be trying to fight, uh, who's it?

Who's it? Like, uh, who's it? Edward or something like that? Oh, Edwards. Yeah. Not Gachi really. Well they're training partners. Oh, so this is the whole like Leo de Machito and Anderson stuff. Well, Gachi's at 155. He's coming up though, isn't he? No, I'm after the Chandler fight. He's staying down there. You can say it on the yeah. Yeah. Gerard, don't ever second guest. Yeah, let's show Paul. Paul, why don't you come on up your let's see Paul's history of getting punched in a face by Chuck's Chudale. Yeah, play the video if you appreciate you Here you go play this Paul was a lot bigger here too. Hey watch this. We don't have audio. Oh my gosh

You know it's only as one glove just one glove. There's young Pat Hey Paul Buddy, I really enjoyed it Okay, he said it was 40% okay, he had some grace would he didn't try to Look how big Mario was too Mario was good though. He got him there that neck. No watch Mario goes to the couch By the way when we asked everyone who they'd rather get hit everyone chose Mario, but unfortunately we got Paul So no Paul come on up your Paul line it up it up, let Rochop put the gloves on. Nice.

You see how this is going to be? Somebody stand behind Paul and Kays. The Apollo Creed special here. Can you move the cameras that they can do it here? Yeah. Is somebody get behind Paul just in case? Paul, that's tight. No, I think Tyler can handle it.

Aren't you going to make it fair and do it left handed? Nancy hit me. Just to Nancy. OK, so you're preparing with Nancy. That says a lot. Tyler can make it fair and do it left-handed Just to Nancy okay, so you're preparing with Nancy that says a lot good for you graphic designer punch you in the face Okay, Rashad He signed a release He was also talking trash about your mama Here we go dude you just you really yeah, we're're here on the PPD podcast and we got Rashad. So Evan's in the house. Paul, he's not going to get punched in a face by Rashad Evan.

So we're going to see what's going to happen here. So what am I doing to say? Right in the front. Go over here. Yeah, go over here because, uh, you got to start speaking Russian. Give him, give him, get him ready for the weekend. You want to get, uh, behind Paul? Okay, somebody's, there are a standard just in case. You gotta start speaking Russian. Get him ready for the weekend. Behind Paul? Okay, somebody's saying.

No, just go stand there just in case. Believe me, last time it was a... Okay, I didn't ask. No, no, Gerard will be right behind you just in case. We need the... Hey, good luck, Paul. We need the nice to meet you. You're about to get punched in the face by UFC Paul Famer.

No, no, no. Paul get out. We need the drogo recording if he dies. He dies. He dies. He dies. Paul, are you ready? No, no, head.

You're not going to get him. Let's get the mouth guard for this guy. Who's getting the mouth guard? I think we have one. We got to do that. Do you remember it wasn't a full one? No, no, it was. I thought it was like a hundred percent. I was gonna say, I thought he gave it like it probably is trying to set himself up. You know, it wasn't a full punch

into face. Here we go. If a tooth falls out, it's very out. Hang on, can we get one still? We're shot, Evo is in the house. Hey, come on, Clark. Can we get an UFC Hall of Famer about to knock out Paul's Garza? Can we get a weigh-in picture here of Chanda Chanda? Let's get this one on our left-time shot here.

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Yeah, I mean, here we hear me, here we are. I didn't hear you. There we go. I mean, one of the goodies is those are the so with track hit as it was a small glove too. But yeah, you're feeling it though. Oh, hundreds of. Paul, the good news, you got the day off buddy. Yeah.

I'm sorry, man. Paul, you're amazing. What do I mean? We appreciate the bravery. These gloves, you can kind of feel the knuckle coming through a little bit. Hang on, hang on. We're going to tie some fury models, but. We appreciate the bravery these gloves you can kind of feel the knuckle come to a little We're gonna tie some fury models, but somebody somebody get Rashad a sharpie. We got to get that sign Tell me your joke Because he was gonna do it to you

We didn't have it We didn't chip in the camera I'm feeling a little woozy Paul, would you like tickets to? I used his eyes or glossed over Is that? This is no BS Your eyes are glossed

How do we get you, why do we get policy? First of all Well lunches on us Yeah, why do we get policy? You're probably one of the only people I know that's been punched by two Hall of Famers UFC Hall of Famers So you ought to be proud of your son. I can pay for any. And my mind.

And my mind. How do you feel right now about, you know, I'm making it bad, man. I feel bad about it. You're right though. Look at the bigger and I'm spanked. What was it like in punch like by La Della and the ring? You see the hardest puncher you ever faced? He's one of a man.

Chuck clipped me with a couple shots and it was like, it felt all the way down to my toes, man. You felt it all the way down to your toes. Oh, wow. Wow. Like, like just shocked your nervous system. Like an electric shot. Interesting. Wow.

That's like the next, the next level stuff. Because you've been punched a lot and then some of the, that's what happens before you get knocked out, before you get knocked out, like you get hit and then your feet, like you feel it down to your feet and then you can't feel your legs anymore. You see people, you start getting this, thank you leg. It's because they can't feel the feet. Yeah, they've never heard it turn to them.

This turned off. Well, my webpage term that, that's what he said to me. I thought I got knocked out by a little machita. But yeah, so when you go see your legs and then you can't feel your legs anymore. So that's why the legs start getting funny and then you go down. So if Ladell's not the hardest you've been hit though, huh?

I would say keep jar Dean was a hardest I got to keep jar Dean hits like a Mack truck Really yeah, what a name from the past keep jar Dean. Oh, we mean this might be a good segue to talk about who you're gonna knock out this weekend Or this coming up a fight in what less than 10 days. Yeah, I'm fighting Gabriel Chico from Vegas. Mostly grappler, but he got some hands. He can, you know, he can, he can throw some punches, big, bigger guys. And that's January 28th in Miami. In Miami. You know where the fight is exactly the location.

It's going to be at the, the old Nickelodeon building. They bought that out and they've done a phenomenal job of making it like the APEC center. And it's, it's, it's, Habib did an amazing job, like the whole production team, they did an amazing job with this facility. Is he representing you? Are you with them now? What is Camp now? Well, I'm with Ali Abdelaziz and we're, you know, we're stable mates with Ali, but it's the ego promotions. And I mean, you know, he'll be, they spared no expense with his place. It's a state of the art is really nice to him. Good for him.

You think he's coming back or no, you think he's ever gonna? No, I think, man, I've seen he'll be, but B was probably like 210 pounds. No. No, he's a big dude, but not in a bad way. He's just like- Oh, not like the Prince and I seem way. No, no, he's a big dude, but not in a bad way. He just like, oh, not like the prince and I seem way. No, no, he's he's got. He's he's he's big. No, he's big though.

He's just wide back. Just look like he's just been eating and just doing. I know we heard that about it. It should silver, man. When guys are trained with like it's in Robosa and those guys and don't hear a Verid, they'd say like silver walks around like 225 and cuts down to the 180s. Like the dude.

Yeah, he's a he's a big dude too. Yeah, sharp, amazing sharp. He homeboy. Sharpie. What you expect for the fight, you said he's a grappler, but you're a grappler too. I guess the agosova, you know, you show the world that you could grapple. Yeah, you pulled that out of the bag and in the strategy for that fight.

What does what should we expect this fight? I don't know, you know, the truth of the matter is that, you know, he, he's a grappler, so I'm sure that he's probably going to try to get me down to the ground, be on top and try to work his submission games. But he knows that I'm a wrestler too as well, so, you know, it's hard to say what's gonna happen in a fight situation, especially since I've been out for so long, and you know, this guy's trying to make it. When's the last time you fought? Well, the 2018? Dude, this is,

three or four, almost four years? Yeah, wow. Are you excited or nervous? I mean, you've been fought four years almost. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm nervous. I'm all those things. I have a wave of rollercoaster emotions, but this is why I wanted to do it.

You know, to be able to feel this feeling again, I mean, there's nothing like the feeling of the fight because you're not so much fighting an opponent, you're fighting yourself. And that's where the true challenge is, is really fighting yourself to bring yourself mentally there in order to be able to bring yourself physically there. Respect. I love it. Well, listen, man. Or hope we help with a turn up with Paul. Yes. That was, that was Paul is, by the way, just a look on Paul's face. If you want to focus on Paul, he seems very thankful.

Yeah. He's extremely grateful. He seems like he's got another story to tell. Paul, you could take the headgear off now. We're not going to hit you. No, no, no, don't do that. It's holding his skull together. We're shot.

We are 100% rooting for you, bro. This has been awesome. You've got a lot of value tainers out there that maybe have never heard. Did you actually get into some of these topics? And some to tell us, you got a whole new fan base that's rooting for it. I appreciate you for coming out.

This was great. And we're going to have you sign one of these, one of these out here picking shoes and sign it so we know my man was here with us guys. We're going to do the next podcast is when do we have tomorrow morning? Who's tomorrow with? Who's with? John Stossel. Oh John Stossel.

We're seeing Adam and John Stossel. That's right. Danielle Adam and John Stossel tomorrow on to mom that's right then you'll Adam and John Stoss tomorrow On the path podcast. We'll see you guys there take everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye