PBD Podcast - "Greatest Fight In NBA History" - Metta World Peace OPENS UP On Palace Brawl, Breaking Jordan’s Ribs | PBD Podcast | Ep. 600

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

NBA champion Metta Sandiford-Artest (Ron Artest) joins Patrick Bet-David for a powerful sit-down on his Lakers legacy, defending Kobe, MJ, and LeBron, the Malice at the Palace, his Knicks coaching dream, and how American basketball lost its edge.------Ⓜ️ CONNECT WITH METTA ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/3HUMjAX👔 ARTEST MANAGEMENT GROUP: https://bit.ly/4n0DmWQ 📱 MINNECT 2025 CONTEST - REGISTER TODAY: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠🎫 THE VAULT 2025 | SEPT 8TH - 11TH | THE GAYLORD PALMS | ORLANDO, FL: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4dJlmfL⁠⁠🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh⁠⁠📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Six, six senior from LaSalle Academy in New York City. He's headed to St. John. I remember being at the game. Kobe goes six, four, 24. He's not having a good game. Second half starts. And then all of a sudden he starts passing the two run. And you hit that one, three.

Our test, that's a three. Bang! Lakers by six with a minute to play. Talk about a game, game seven against the Celtics, right? I mean, that was sick. It was incredible. I mean, he never passed me the ball. And he passed me the ball.

Kobe passed me the ball. You've guarded Kobe. You've guarded LeBron. And you've guarded Michael. How different are they? You know, Kobe's definitely more similar to MJ. But I think LeBron, he brought something totally different to the table.

Malice at the Palace. They never allowed glass drinks because of that game. Alcohol stops me at fourth. I think now it stops me at fourth quarter. I don't even think the foul was that big of a foul, but just kind of give us your comment. But I know what happened. Like, I've never given up free layups.

Is there anything that maybe he got an award that you didn't get or you got an award? I think the difference of players is yes. This is legacy right here. So this is what I think it is. I am done. That was probably the worst day of my life. So you're saying you were already in therapy

prior to that fight? I had anger management problems, as we all know. So we could do a whole stand up show and it's honestly brought to you by Valuetainment. Shit. standard show and it's brought to you by Valuetainment. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a 101? The sun's right there.

I think I've already said this before. That's cool. So we got a special podcast here, man. We got the one and only metal world piece in the house. I had to DM you. I'm like'm like hey I want to do a podcast and then you responded back and then you know now we're sitting here together couldn't believe it I mean I never met you before I've watched your podcast I watched a lot of them I'm not gonna say all of them but definitely a lot of them I just came back from the US and Saudi

investment from where I'm typically the only athlete in these rooms when I go out to these places you know it was super tight security so I'm thinking I said I wonder if he saw I know you're a Republican right I know about you and so I said man I wonder if he saw me with some of his friends like why do he is he interested in the US Saudi investment firm? So you thought that was the reason? I thought, yeah, I thought you saw it, because literally when I got home, then I got your DM, so I didn't know why.

He was like, you're a Laker fan? I said, oh, he's a Laker fan. And then I was like, after your interview with Terrence, I DM'd Terrence. That was the best interview I've seen in my life. That's my favorite interview I've ever seen, if I'm not mistaken. Terrence Howard.

The Terrence Howard interview was incredible. And then I DM Terrence, I said, I need to take, I was telling my family, I need to take you to lunch. Like he, I'm not gonna say change my life, but he added a few things to how I view the world. He is so interesting. And I think the word misunderstood is very good for him, but he is so interesting.

I would say, till today I'm registered independent, of course I've been a Trump supporter for a few years, but it's funny when I DM'd you, I'm having a conversation, your name comes up, I'm like dude, I remember being at the game, game seven, I'm at the game, I take my pass, we're row 18, we're there, Kobe goes 6-4 24. He's not having a good game This is the only game I've gone when the first half were sitting there me and Dudley look at each other

We're not even getting up the level of anxiety is so high. I said, do you want to grab? He says I don't want nothing. I can't even move we sit still and then second half starts and then Kobe's just nothing and then all of a sudden he starts passing it to run you know and then and then you know he's doing his thing and then you hit that 1-3 and then the game I mean talk about a game game seven against the Celtics right I mean I was sick it was incredible I mean Derek Fisher changed the game this or Derek Fisher He was down 13 in the third quarter. So now you know game seven at home down 13 We're looking at the shot clock. This is my first time in the finals and I'm just like, okay

There's doubt creeping in because it's like, you know, I've never been here before and Derek Fisher says Hey guys, pick your hat up. He says, where would you rather be right now? He comes in, he opens his arms. He says, down 13 in a game seven at home, where would you rather be? And then that, I know for me. Did he really say this?

Yeah. Did he say that half time in the locker room? Or when did he say that? In the third quarter, because we was on the bench, we was down, the time was, it was a timeout. It was getting closer to the end. So he said that maybe at the six minute mark in the third quarter.

Is this Phil is letting Derrick speak or Derrick is just jumping in and saying this? So typically when they call a timeout, the coaches go to the free throw line, extend it, and then the players go to the bench first. So you got like maybe 20, 30 seconds. Oh shit, 20, 30 seconds. For a leader to come in there and then Derek. He is such a leader Turn because I didn't believe in myself at that moment in time

I believed in my heart, but I didn't know what's gonna happen because we're dead 13 points against the Celtics That's devastating But we just kept inching away and we pulled it out. We just wore them out. And then second half when you come in, I was like, what happened? Because you played so loose. You were just like, give me the ball. I want to, I want to. And that's not the profile though. That's Kobe's job. That's, you know, Pau's job. And then you all of a sudden became the aggressor.

Well, you know, when I played, when I played until I got with the Lakers, I was a go to guy. I was always the go to guy. I mean the year before that, I averaged 25 against I remember that I remember, you know, if you look at yeah, I remember that. So from that so from that perspective, I've been in this situation for my whole life. But when you get with Kobe, you become a role player. So I was I became a role player in my prime So imagine right now today if you're a role play in your prime

You know much money you leave on the table by saying instead of averaging 20. I'm gonna average why'd you do it? Cost you some money right as a fair to say cost you well going to the Lakers I was worth more than six million dollars a year Going to the Lakers, I was worth more than $6 million a year. For sure. You know what I mean? Especially after you came off of 24 and a half games to see points a game.

Definitely worth more than, so I had to just deal with it. It was hard. It was one of the hardest things I had to deal with. That game you played against Kobe, where he's going like this. You know what I'm saying? He's going like this, he's going like this. And you're telling the referee,

dude, he hit me, elbowed me, right? You know which one I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. I watched Kobe go after guys and recruit the guys that were not afraid of him, right? You, Barnes, a couple other guys that he wanted to, Jordan did this as well with Rodman and a few other guys that he went after.

Yeah. Did he ever call you, try to recruit you or no? No, he actually didn't, you know, cause Kobe's, he's probably going to send his soldiers, which is the Lakers organization. The Lakers called me at 1201, so on June 30th. So that's when the free agency opened. So I did not expect that call at 1201. I was in LA at the SLS Hotel about to go out with my friends.

I get a call. We pull over and then my agent, David Bowman says, the Lakers want to speak to you. Part of my French, but my, my first reaction was for fucking what? Cause I'm like, they just beat us. Like one, I don't, everything I'm going to play for the Lakers to I'm super competitive. And I'm like, I don't want to speak to the Lakers. Yeah. He said, they want you to, they want, they want you on their team. So then I'm gonna play for the Lakers too. I'm super competitive and I'm like, I don't want to speak to the Lakers Yeah, he said they want you to they want they want you on their team So then I'm like I was still a little bit defensive but down the whole almost like he just say so now all the stuff is going on in my head, I meet with dr. Bust the next morning and He was like, you know, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna be able to pay you what you worth But we really want you on this team straight up. He says that opening line. Yeah, that, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna be able to pay you what you worth, but we really want you on this team

Straight up. He says that opening line. Yeah, that's his open line. I said damn Dr. Bus Phil Jackson Kobe Bryant. I love Kobe Bryant. I love Kobe Did you but did you love him then when you're like when you're playing against them? No, not when I'm playing against him No when I'm playing against him, I don't like RIP Kobe Bryant when I'm playing against him. No, but when I'm not playing against Kobe, I love Kobe, you know Totally. I fully understand. Yeah, I love Kobe. He's in so he tells you he says so I can't pay what you're worth and He's the one negotiating the deal. Who else is it is Mitch? Just me and bus. Nobody else is in the room. Nobody. How long was that meeting? We went to the W hotel

We sat at the bar in the Westwood W hotel Sat at the bar. We didn't drink any alcohol. I might have ordered an avocado toast and that was it We just talked maybe we didn't even order anything. We talked and I was there. I said, yep, so just see me the contract I just I'll just sign it and He told you the number then did he kind of say yeah He said only the mid mid-level mid-level exception. Yeah, mid-level exception, which usually is five six million But you could have been worth ten twenty million whatever the contracts were at that time. It was 12 15 You know being a number one guy and a playoff deal. That's like a 12 to 15

So you're leaving at least 10 20 million bucks. I left a lot of money on the table worth it though till today It's worth it is definitely worth it for sure. Because I learned so much about myself. I learned that I could overcome adversity. You know, you're thinking about the check. Oh, not only the money, that's one piece, but the other piece is you're only averaging 6.9 points. You see?

That's tough. Your ego, that's going from where you were in your prime. So, and keep in time Kobe didn't play in my first step with the Lakers. I was averaging 18.9 I had to tally it up myself because I had to reassure that was still pretty good I was having doubt, you know when you're not shooting the ball year after year after year He's just a role player in the corner And when Kobe didn't play like you'll see a game with the Spurs, it was like Kawhi and whoever else was on that team, you'll see me playing very well at 26.

So I can still play, but when Kobe comes back, now exactly- It takes minutes away. Yeah, you get two shots, maybe four, maybe five. What was your relation? Because the one thing that's very interesting with you is, you know, there's only a few names, stars that people know. You're not a regular player.

You were 04 defensive player of the year, right? You got 19 years you played in the NBA with six teams and you're gonna go down as arguably one of the greatest defenders of all time, perimeter defense. You were just, you were ridiculous. Playing against you was annoying, right? I bet guys probably didn't wanna go up against you. Yeah, definitely not. But you defended, you were just, you were ridiculous. Playing against you was annoying, right? I bet guys probably didn't want to go up against you.

Yeah, definitely not. But you defended, you played, you defended against Michael, against Kobe, and against LeBron, right? You played defense. That's not a lot of people that can say that. There's a lot of people that did, but not defending them, right, where you got defending all three of them. So, Kobe as a teammate, at that time, when you come in,

is he lifting you up is he? Punking you is he talking shit is he saying let's go have dinner is he asking your house family house everything What what is his mentality like on no is he saying hey we whooped your ass now You're here. You know you came from the Rockets here. What is he telling you now that you're his teammate Let's have a good practice. Let's get ready to win the championship. There's not a lot of banter going back and forth for Kobe. You know, we didn't have a relationship and Kobe is very aware.

He got to know I can't wait to get to practice because he knows me. He knows I got that fire, that's why he brought me. He has to know that I'm bringing it the first possession of our first practice. So our first practice, I'm sure he couldn't wait and I couldn't

wait. Now I got him and he got me every day for two hours or three hours in training camp. So the first practice, you know, we're going against each other. We're not on a starting group yet so, you know, we're going against each other. We're not in a starting group yet. So, you know, we couldn't wait. Now he played very well. Well, I must say he played very well. But I was also very physical. If that makes sense, I was on him. Now he scored, but it was definitely something to watch.

Was there friction like in practice with the two of you or no? For sure. But was there friction like, you know, you hear stories about Michael and Steve Kerr, you know, that kind of you right now? For sure. But was there friction like you know you hear stories about Michael and Steve Kerr, that kind of friction or no? Or Samaki Walker, I think Walker and Kobe had an issue one time on the bus, I don't know if you've heard that story before. No I didn't hear it.

Nothing like that. It was nothing like we were about to fight, but it was definitely very aggressive. It was very aggressive, but we did have one incident where Kobe was playing very well, he was getting under my skin. Phil Jackson was getting under my skin. And then I was telling the team. I said, you know, last year if y'all mean then break his foot. I said we would have be all of y'all right and then Phil was like calm down Ronnie and I'm like we not calm it down until I

say we calm that's all I was just disrupting your say this to fill. Yeah, yeah, Phil. Phil Phil could take heat. That's We not calm it down until I say we calm that's all I was just disrupting. You're saying this to Phil Jackson. Yeah, yeah. Phil can take heat. That's Phil give heat, by the way. Phil gives heat. He can take it. One of the few coaches that can take it.

A lot of coaches can't take what Phil could take. So you're saying that. So he says, calm down, Ronnie. What is Kobe saying? Kobe just watching. So I think what was happening to Kobe wanted. I think I came to practice one day, but I wasn't here. What year is this? What's the?

This is 2010. I want to know who the roster is. Keep going. I'm listening. Yes, I think like I came to practice about maybe I wasn't as intense and I think Kobe wanted to push my button. So, because Kobe, I seen him snickering in the back when I was going to that field. He was like, so I think Kobe was like actually enjoying the process. Enjoying the process enjoying enjoying the process, but that was the only day we're like You know where we addressed I just got I just came from the Rockets and now I'm here We never talked about that they beat us, but we was the only team to take him in seven. They went through everybody

That year, you know the championship game was the Rockets versus the Lakers basically. Yeah. Yeah. I mean listen if it was a different story Yeah, so you're saying if it was a different story, so you're saying this to Phil, you're saying Phil also knows how to bring the heat. Yeah, Phil brings heat. I talked to Shaq one time where Shaq and Kobe, I'm asking both of them about the relationship with Phil and there's a story once I read about the fact that Shaq sat both of them down and said, you guys think you guys got a big ego? I got a bigger ego than both of you guys have combined, right?

Saying something like that. I would have happened or not, who knows? What was different about his style of leadership than other coaches you had? You know, Phil, I mean, he's an energy guy. He's a Buddhist, he's Zen master. He's an energy guy. And I think a lot of the times he's just,

he's nurturing your energy he's a centering your energy You know, he has a plate a triangle, but the triangle is nothing but a set the triangle is nothing but staying in your spot And he's on you see if they just sitting there the whole time We had other coaches like hey go here go here go here. So Phil's letting you get out of your own issues. He's letting you solve your own problems. Yeah, he wasn't the guy that would say, time out, let's go, boom, boom. No.

And it would say, you'd watch the game. And the opposition would score six points, back to back to back. Yeah. And you would hear, what's his name? The old guy, Chick Hearn, you know, or whoever was, Stu Lance, because I used to live in LA So I would watch his broadcasters. Yeah color commentator. Yeah, Phil is not even getting up

But you just sit there and just watching as you like is even thinking about it. He would let you fail. Yes He has sit there and you know it if you lost about 30 going to the locker room and we'll go back to practice But he's kind of putting that Accountability on, which is really unique. Well, how would he do it? What do you say here? So how do you, would he go in the locker room and say, so how do you guys feel about the

loss? So what do you think happened? Or was it kind of like, all right guys, we'll see you at practice tomorrow? What was? I'm not going to say he was like babying us, but he definitely was pointing out the mistakes, but he was always trying to strengthen our center. So we meditate, turn off all the lights, bring Sage in the locker room,

center, breathe together, sit up straight in your chair, close your eyes, relax your jaws, relax you. So he was like always empowering you. He wasn't beating you down. With the exception of he'll say little things to get under He has something for everybody we can get under your skin Like what like give me an example he called me cement feet when he called me cement feet that made me upset

It's some of it feet. Yeah, he's the car. I had these big shoes I had a deal with another company now not a Nike not in the D's had another company and they were big But I did it because it was it was a deal So I just signed a contract with the shoes. And yeah, it wasn't the greatest looking shoe. Cement feet. Kobe's playing in Nikes. I'm playing in these big blocks.

Which one is it? The ones in the championship. I got them on in the finals. So the one you won in, you wore the cement feet in game seven. Cement feet was definitely in game seven for sure. Oh shit. It's not these ones.

These are some other ones I had Throughout the year when's the last time they go right there. That's the one Who was the shoe company? It was a company out of China called peak So what should let me design my own shoe? I couldn't believe they didn't let me design my own shoe But it's another story. So if he called you cement feet, what did he call the other guys? Yeah, I forget what he had for the other guy. He had something for Kobe too.

Really? 100%. So would he get under Kobe's skin or he couldn't get under Kobe's skin? For Kobe, he would leave him on the bench a little longer. You know? Like he didn't have to say anything, it was like, this is your punishment. An extra 30 seconds, minute on the bench.

I don't know why he would do it, but you know, Kobe's like, Kobe looking down at Phil with that laser eyes that face You know that that didn't miss his mouth this part turned to a bear like a bear Mamba this part turned to the mamba and Phil's just like that You know, you're gonna stay there. I know you supposed to check it now, but we're gonna give you three more minutes over there And that's know Kobe be pissed What happened with Sasha? Will you check whatever was there a fight between him and Kobe like I'm one thing Yeah, definitely Kobe was saying something and he's elbowing him and Sasha's got seen that clip. I don't know where that clip is

Yes, I sure cuz Sasha is a strong Person like that whole team was full of dogs who remind me of Indiana team So everybody on that team was you know, pretty much psycho Like Sasha by no me, you know pals a nice guy But pal can get really aggressive and into it you can see it in his face You know, obviously Lamar and Josh Powell people you see a lot Wow Right, Shannon Brown Fisher fish is different fish is not gonna be right Rob, but fish is not playing no games, you know You'll see a lot. Wow. Shannon Brown. That's right. Shannon Brown. Luke Walton. Luke Walton.

Fisher. Fisher's different. Fisher's not gonna be rah rah, but Fisher's not playing no games, you know? He's a little bit different. So Sasha, you say something to Sasha, he's bringing, he's coming right back at you. He don't care who it is.

You know, Sasha's got a lot of heart. Adam Morrison. Adam Morrison's probably the most- Morrison, Gonzaga. The most, psycho probably. Really? Seriously? He ain't taking no game. Adam Morrison's not playing any games Gonzaga the most cycle problem Seriously, he ain't taking no game Adam Morrison is not playing any games seriously Oh 100% Adam Morrison not playing no game. Are you joking?

Adam is actually he should have if it wasn't for those injuries He was so good in practice, but you had me yeah, Kobe where his injuries if he doesn't get injured You're talking about all-star multiple times. No shit. Yeah. Wow. Because you're incredible. Yeah. You hear stories. He's on the I mean, you see them in college. College player of the year. I remember he was he was insane in college. He was really good. I wanted to know one thing about Phil. When's the last time you interacted or even saw Phil Jackson?

I was on the phone with Phil last year when I went to go visit Carlisle, Indiana Paces. And he had Phil on the phone with Phil last year when I went to go visit Carlisle, Indiana Paces. Rick Carlisle, yeah. And he had Phil on the phone. That was the last time I spoke to Phil and I said, hey Phil. But I would also call Phil when I needed like coaching advice because I'm a coach. So when I was coaching my high school girls or my college girls, I would call Phil and just ask him about different things if I'm thinking about it the right way.

So let me ask you, this story about you being drafted by the Bulls if it wasn't for something else You would have been drafted by the Knicks and now you've been wanting the Knicks coaching jobs in 2019 I've been wanting I've been wanting to be a Nick since 1996 in high school and in 1999. I thought I would be a Nick I Love New York even though you know I'm a pace the guy also. I love New York. Even though, you know, I'm a Pacer guy also, I love the Pacers. I'm all in the Lakers too. The Lakers turned my, the Lakers cemented my legacy. The Sacramento Kings regained my career. I went to Sacramento after Indiana. Sacramento, you know, they got my career back. I was done depressed. Mentally, I was done. So, you know, I had different journeys with everybody and the paces

we just had such great rapport like we was headed in the right direction, you know, so probably tightest closest with the paces and Lakers, right paces and Lakers. I love Mr. Dole. I don't have a relationship with Mr. Dolan, but the Knicks I'm from New York City, St. John's, right? So St. John's, you know Queen so For sure, I want to be a Nick. I wanted I was a Nick for one year, you know Thank you to mr. Dolan and grunt and Grunfeld and whoever else was there. They're not there anymore

And yes, so the Knicks is extremely it's extremely important to me Have you have have you guys had a conversation about the coaching job or no? No because you got to think about it. When I coach at Cal State LA, I coach Division II women's basketball for the last seven years. We're turning that program around. I was at a coffee shop in the Vancouver Islands when we all found out that Tibbs got fired. So when I saw that-

Shel, I was shocked. I don't know if you were shocked. I was shocked. I wasn't shocked. I don't know if you were shocked. I was shocked. I wasn't. I wasn't shocked. I was. I was waiting to put in the phone. I couldn't wait to sit out that I want the job because my mind didn't have time to be shocked, you know, or surprised or anything. I was like, oh, this is available now. You got to understand when someone gets fired, the agents, the general managers, they're already working. So somebody's already being hired, and this has happened to me all the time.

I can't get opportunities because I'm not in the know. I don't have an agent, and I don't necessarily try to fit in circles. I just like to work. So I don't have circles, hopefully. So that's why I said I'm gonna send this tweet out, and I did it within like two minutes, and then it kind of went viral

Now I'm still not in the system And that makes sense But so you haven't interviewed yet? There's not an interview, but they know they know you want the job. Absolutely Yeah, so so what would you like if let's just say you were there? Okay, you got a very young team Okay, they went to the Eastern Conference Finals twice, right? The guy's a stud, he's an underestimated guy, Bronson, where since the day he came out, is he a Villanova, who did he play for?

Bronson went to Villanova, yeah. Half that team went to Villanova. That's right, so how would you coach that team differently? You know, so for one, I'm not gonna say differently because I'm not gonna compare myself to Tibbs. You know, maybe some of, I'm not going to say differently because I'm not going to compare myself to Tibbs. You know, maybe some of the things are the same, but I know how I want to win. I know how I want to win, and I'm not going to give away everything because I want if I do get the next job, which would be a blessing, it would need to be a Hail Mary like a Nick football.

First time ever. You never seen a Nick football. It need to be a hell married for me to get this position You know, I saw a couple of things game one That was the next game Halliburton was incredible. He's the Michael Jordan of these playoffs You know, that's a big statement right there. Yeah of these playoffs this year. He's the Michael Jordan Wow, we've never seen this name of time time you've seen these many game winners. Game morning ripped the heart of the Knicks. Yeah, that one shot he made. Three. Yeah. Or four. Who is done? Yeah, he's playing. Okay, so for you between Pacers and Knicks, who's your heart? Who has your heart? It's different. It's about even when they play against each other in the playoffs. I typically don't go to those games.

It's about even, when they play against each other in the playoffs, I typically don't go to those games. Because the Pacers, you know, is where I played the best. I had history with the fans. The fans had my back. Organization had my back. You know, through all the rough times. With New York, I'm a protector of New York City basketball. I love New York.

So it's almost like an even playing field. Would you take an assistant job before eventually you have a coaching, like a head coach? Would you entertain assistant? Well right now, since the Nick head coaching job is on the table, I don't wanna put assistant in the air. I got you. I wanna keep it focused on head coaching

because you gotta think about it. People can say, this coach is prepared. This coach is prepared. It's not taking any shots at the coaches. But everybody had their chance to bring the Knicks to the promised land Everybody had their chance at some point in time Somebody got to step up and actually bring the Knicks to the promised land You know, you know what? It reminds me of you know, the the coach of the Detroit Lions

The coach of the Detroit line. Yeah Yeah, there's something I'm back. Yeah, there's something about the guy that's emotional. I want to know, is Dan Campbell from Detroit? Can you see if he's from Texas? Interesting, because he coaches the Lions as if he's from Detroit. Did he ever play for the Lions? Who did he play for? He had coached, but who did he play for? I think he played as well. play for? Okay, head coach, yeah, but who did he play for? I think he played as well. He did. 2006. Okay. So there you go. There is heart. There is that affinity for the organization because when it comes down to Knicks, I wonder what it's like to get a guy there that's coaching

who is a New York guy, who is doing what he's doing. Going back to what we're talking about with, you know, Kobe. You played with Kobe, you've guarded Kobe, you've guarded, you know, LeBron, and you've guarded Michael. Now, Michael, you guarded him when he was at the end. So it's not really, you can't really compare. I looked at the numbers, I actually pulled it up to see, you know, what they average when you play defense against them so Michael you played five games five games against them I don't know if you know these stats Yeah, so you played fight you guarded him five you played against him five times, okay 22.4 games

22.4 points a game six rebounds 2.6 assist this is against you Kobe you played against 20 times 27 six five seven rebounds six bonuses.6 assists. This is against you. Kobe, you played against 20 times, 27-6, 5-7 rebounds, 6-1 assists. What about the field goal percentage? They haven't? I can pull that up as well. And then LeBron, 26-9, 6.7, 6.7. Matter of fact, I'm going to pull that up because it's interesting to know that as well.

Yeah. What was the, what was a different style playing up against MJ? He was in his middle-A 30s. Yeah. Kobe, LeBron, how different are they guarding them? playing up against MJ, he was in his middle-A 30s. Kobe, LeBron, how different are they guarding them? They're all different. Kobe's definitely more similar to MJ, but I think MJ gets the upper hand

because MJ's mid-range is incredible. He's very strong. He can turn left, turn right. Once he releases, it's going in. Kobe's a little bit different a little bit more agile The MJ and LeBron's more stronger. He's more of a team player even though Jordan did average a triple-double I think in one of these playoff series and he did have times where he would have 13 assists, but I think LeBron He was physical he seized the floor

He brought something totally different to the table than what a Kobe would bring with Michael. They all so different. But if I had to give one guy the edge, it would be Michael. Because of what? Because of mid-range? He's really efficient. You see his movement, it's all like everything fundamentally sound. He's quick, he's strong, he's athletic, he can shoot.

You know, yeah, so I would probably have to give it to Michael. Is it true, the story I heard about when you played pick up with Michael, you broke two of his ribs? Yeah. How did that happen? Well, you see that picture you just saw of me and Mike? Look at this picture.

You see that one right there? I love that. So you see, that's in the game. Look at Mike. How old are you in this picture? I'm 19 or 20. That's how me and Mike played every day in the summertime. Wow. We were just we was picking up from the summertime right there. That picture when I saw that picture I said wow that's what because

people didn't get a chance to see. Look at Mike's arms. What is what am I doing? What is Mike doing? So whose foul is this? Whose foul? This is your foul. Why would you say this is my foul? You're on his face. His arm is you you're you're fouling him. But look what is his arms doing? Putting his arms into you to grab onto you. Okay Yeah This is the same call where Mike in the summertime when I broke his ribs my mistake where he got called the offensive foul on this Plate so keep the same exact play. So keep in mind to check it out. Watch this which is really interesting I love Mike by the way, I changed my number to 23 because of Mike. I love Mike, right, but

so Mike is Mike runs in the summertime. He's bringing referees. So Mike has three referees in his run. He's bringing the referees. Yes That's how you win a game. It's free throws everything in my grind. Do they favor him because he's paying them or not really They better. I don't know if they was favoring him as much honestly. I think it was even fair. That's cool It was even so you see my right arm Yeah on the other side on the back back side so Because Mike is so strong and the reason I'm like that because he got these little tricks The thing with Mike is this if you let him catch it

That's that's where you die. So you can't let him catch it. Because once he can catch it, I don't care who you are, you're done, right? So as he was holding me, I took my right arm in the summertime and I moved his bottom arm out the way, and then I cracked him on the other side. But I didn't throw it at him.

I was just trying to swing and move him out the way. And I just think he didn't realize how strong I was. But he called me after that because in the media, people reported that I, they said I punched Michael in the Chicago Tribune. Ron Artest punches Michael Jordan in a run. Seriously? Chicago Tribune said that? Yeah.

What did he call you and say? Well, he said, I was depressed for two days. in a run. Seriously, Chicago Tribune said that? Yeah. What'd he call you and say? Well, he said, I was depressed for two days. I'm like, this news just went out that I punched somebody, I played for the Bulls. So I was depressed and I didn't go to practice, the summertime practices, but then Michael called me and said, it's okay, we was just playing hard.

I want you to come back. So Michael said, you see that? Who foul is that? Well, he's on defense, he's gonna get the foul. Who's foul is that? Who's foul is that? Look at all these pictures with me. That's why I love Mike.

Mike, I think Mike said in the paper one time that I was one of his favorite players or defenders. And I came out and said it, and then Barclay was like, Mike didn't say that. Why would Michael Jordan say that Ron Tess is one of his favorite players or defenders and I came out and said it and then Barkley was like Mike didn't say that why Would Michael Jordan say that Ron? Our test is one of his favorite players. Look at that one. This is looking to see me in my is insane See you see the intensity you see that's a course. That's that's what you know, I mean, that's why Mike I'm like Charles Why would I make that up? I'm like the cow play against Michael. I ain't kissing Michael Jordan's behind I'm going at Michael.

Was he talking? Was he like out of all three, who's chirping the most? Well, nobody talks to me. Are you being serious? I'm serious. Tell me why. I've never heard anybody talk to me. Wait a minute, are you being serious?

With the exception of, I've never heard Mike talk trash to me. I heard him talk trash to other people. Kobe, when I talked to Kobe, that's when we was going, we had a little banter back and forth, but I've never seen Kobe, Kobe, I've never Kobe talk to me or even or even like a LeBron I never know you know cuz you you risk me turning up Don't want that smoke is what you're fine Paul Pierce on the other hand He initiates it. Well, I mean listen part of it is, you know the rap

Can you pull up the clip of you you pull this pants down you pull this short? In the middle of the game in the middle of again, what do they call it? They have a name for this Right, is this it? Yeah, I play this watch this year. Yeah, cuz look at Ron. Okay. No, no You got to go back you go cuz you missed it go back a little bit was just Respectable piercer he gets the ball You got to go back you go cuz you missed it go back a little bit watches What was that all about what he was scoring so much I couldn't stop him this game Hey, he couldn't stop me by the way. I had a lot of points, too So I was trying to like slow him down. I was really trying to slow him down, but you know, Paul was like, yeah, he didn't care.

Before we move on from the MJ, LeBron, Kobe conversation, I have one question for you. I mean, not many people can say that you've guarded the three best offensive players, three best athletes that have ever played the game. Let's put Michael Jordan, the goat aside. You're starting a team. You're the manager, you're the coach. You can either draft Kobe in his prime or LeBron in his prime

You get the first pick and they prime prime time LeBron prime time Kobe you get the first pick. Oh Prime time LeBron prime time I probably go with Kobe because I think he could take over a game. But LeBron, LeBron's the number one scorer. That's really hard. You sound conflicted here. I feel like your heart says Kobe, but your mind's saying LeBron. Sometimes I do pick Lebron sometimes.

Sometimes I'll pick Lebron like, all right, that's my guy. Some days I'll pick Kobe, but then also what gets in the way of my goat is Tim Duncan. They forget Tim's arguably better than those guys. But let's not bring Tim in the conversation you get your first pick. Who you taking? first pick That's crazy In their prime. Yeah, you get the first my brun bro a team How many teams that LeBron bring to the finals were like three? No, no a lot with Moe Williams 16 points, but it wasn't like he had, I see the point you're making.

Because. You know what I mean? So then at that, from that perspective, it leans towards Eastern Conference. And there was a moment where in Eastern Conference, you didn't have a lot of stuff going on. He's never been to the finals, or even with the Lakers, but yeah, it's true, the Western Conference

is a little tougher. I mean, you probably would lean towards a LeBron, at you know, sometimes. You would lean towards a LeBron. You would lean towards a LeBron at, you know, sometimes. You would lean towards a LeBron. You would lean towards a LeBron. So tell me about this, Duncan, when you're saying like Duncan was better than all of those guys.

Duncan's arguably better than those guys. Like even Michael or just LeBron and Cope? Duncan is, okay, yeah, put Michael in it. Duncan is arguably, would beat those guys. Stop it. Duncan got five rings. Stop it. Duncan got five rings. Stop it. In the small market, by the way.

Jordan was in Chicago. It's not gonna be, not tough to get to Chicago. Kobe's in LA. It's not tough to convince somebody to come to LA. It's tough to convince somebody to come to Cleveland. LeBron went back to Cleveland. See, that title's gonna separate LeBron at the end of the day at some point

because he is the number one scorer already. He went back to a small market. LeBron called me in 2009 to come to the Cavs. Now I said no for many reasons. He called you. I spoke to King James on the phone. And you know, one, I want to play against King James. I want to play against Kobe.

I want to play against T-Mac. I typically don't like to play on their teams. That's the main thing. But that was a small market. You couldn't really convince me to go. So San Antonio, small market. So it's tougher to win in San Antonio than it is other places.

Interesting what you just said because the perspective you're given is that the ability, like I asked Kobe, I said, Kobe, how do you recruit guys to come to your team? He says, very easy for me. You want to win, come with me. You don't go with everybody else. That was his, remember when he said that?

He says, you want to come to me, let's go win. He told you that? He told me that, yeah. Robbie, you can pull up that clip. It's online somewhere, but. He was on your show? Yeah, yeah, we had him on. Oh, I do remember that.

In front of 6,000 people. 2019, yeah, we had a very good, but find the part about him saying recruiting if you can find it. But it's interesting to say like who wants to go to a small market? Who wants to go to a small market? And now you got two small markets in the finals today. You got two small markets in the finals today. You got Indiana and you got OKC.

Lowest viewed, did you see the data? It's the lowest viewed finals since 1988, man. It's a reason for that, honestly. I think we got to get the people back. We need to let these stars become stars, not like force feeding stuff. Tell me what you mean by that. Meaning like, there's a lot of manufactured stars. Like who?

I don't want to mention people's names exactly, but for example when Detroit Pistons won the finals, yeah you had Richard Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace, but nobody had them winning. 2004. That was a team. That was a team. They became stars.

Look at the Warriors. Yeah they had Stephen Curry, but we didn't know, but that team became stars, but sometimes you'll get the media, they had Stephen Curry, but we didn't know. But that team became stars. But sometimes you'll get the media, they'll force feed you, you know, this guy. Force feed you, this team. I mean, look at this Pacer team. You know, there's no real superstars.

No, even Halliburton's doesn't give me a superstar vibe. Not yet, not superstars yet. But they're gonna become stars because we're gonna win it, right? You think you're gonna win it? Yeah, we're gonna win it in six. So. You think you're gonna win it? Yeah, we're gonna win in six. You think so?

Absolutely. I was blown away by the fact that last night I was sitting with Dylan, it's 1130. I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? They're up two to one. Yes, they have two to one. Because the way that, you know, OKC plays, they're long, they got the deep, you know, the way they're playing is, it's a very intimidating team, 68 wins, like they should win it. Indiana's got how many wins?

50 or 51? 49 49 wins I don't even know what the number is maybe not even 50 but I so here's a question for you what's the biggest difference between Halliburton and Chris Paul Halliburton a little bit taller a little bit more shifty um a better three-point shooter you know um and uh probably a bigger clutch shot maker Then then Paul Paul Michael he probably could argue that but Halliburton He has this timing on his clutch shots the time he's on time He is not late his shot is a very unorthodox shot, but it just goes in he holds it Yeah, it's he holds it like like he shoots it in a very it's like old-school shot. He's got an 80s old-school

Sean Marion bill Cartwright weird That far I think he's just got a he's got a he's got a More 70s actually it's more as more 60s Barry the free throw line doing that thing. It's a very weird shot. I don't know if they're going to duplicate that shot, but going back to fabricating players to become superstars. So fabricating players to become superstars. So if I gave you some names, okay, on current NBA today, tell me what you think about their game. Yannis. Yannis is really good on defense. I think he's so physical on offense. I don't know

if he has a lot of moves, but he's scoring at a high clip because he's so physical. He's quick. He's in shape. He's in shape. He's so fun to watch. He's a fun guy to watch. His hedges on screens are incredible. I really love his hedges on screens. I love that the most about out of anything that he does, because it's such an important part of the game. What do you think about Luca? Luca has to get in shape. Luca has to get in shape.

I heard he lost 20 pounds. Yeah, he has to not only lose weight, but also create endurance. I think the game was a little bit easy for him on offense, and I think he forgot that you also got to play defense. And to play defense, you got to be in shape. So, you know, so I think he has to be more aware of the game. He has to be more aware that there are incredible players.

Look who's in the finals. Luca is the finals. Luca is the man. Well, guess what? Now there's other people that are winning. So Luca has to really get back to square one. When you think about Zion Williamson, okay? Zion is a beast of a guy.

When you look at his body, physicality, the whole thing, right? And you're seeing the numbers that he's putting up if he plays. I don't know how many games he's missed. I think he's missed 200 plus games the last four or five season. From your perspective, is he done or can he still come back and be superstar status champion type of guy? Maybe go to the Knicks and maybe you coach him in the next two or three years. You know what I'm saying? Because he wants to go to the Knicks. According to a lot of rumors you hear about, the guy wants to leave New Orleans and wants

to go to the Knicks. Do you think this guy is going to make a resurgence and be a superstar? Yeah, I think he will. He had the injury, came off the injury, so you can see he wasn't as bouncy. I think same situation as Luca. I think you got as Luca. I think you gotta be aware. Sometimes you get so much money, so much media, private jets, all that stuff, but you're not aware of the game.

You're not aware of the soul of the game. So you're not aware that other people are working Shea Alexander in shape. You're letting these people catch up to you. And by the way, they might stay consistently there You got one banana. You're not aware that oh when banana is coming. He's gonna be a force in a couple years You only get a window You only get a window Russell Westbrook on MVP. Well, that's a window and that window goes away

No matter how good you are somebody else to go and step in the same thing We're winning, you know, even with the Denver team, they won it once, right, twice and once. Once. Once. They got there twice, I think. They got there twice, yes. And it's a window now, they don't know,

we don't know if they're gonna get there again, so Zion and people like Luca, they gotta understand, this is a window. Can you check to see if Denver got there twice? They beat the Heat. I know they got there once. I think they've been on the Western Conference multiple times

Three times and and and he's a he's a stud of a gun. No, no one's the one the first champion in history They're feeling or something. Yeah, I think they just got to the champ. She's got them. What a team Oh because that one year Jamal Murray was injured. I don't know if you remember when he got hurt. Yeah, that's right Anyone yeah, you were gonna ask about a couple different players who are maybe kind of want to put words in your mouth sort of Become the face of the league almost coronated before they've done anything a name that comes to mind for me My opinion is Anthony Edwards. He's never won anything He's you know, Luca beat him got to the finals Shaggy'll gets Alexander beat him got to the finals

Is he someone that you might be referring to as someone that you know, the face of the league but maybe hasn't deserved it yet. So it's two different ways to become a face. One, it's your sneaker company. It's your branding company marketing you paid ads, advertisement, then you got media. They got to find somebody they're going to pick good looking guy, good looking guy media playing well, you know, everybody's you know, then you got those two ways You got the fans right? You got the fans and sometimes the two it's almost like three sections of fans

You got the the media fan who's only listening to the media Yeah, and they just put out the messaging like that because they got go to work then and then you got the real fan You know and then sometimes Depending on who's saying what maybe all four of those verticals are saying Anthony Edwards. Well Shay has something to say about that You know, and I think I like when you earned it I like when Ben Wallace earned the defensive player of the years the Richard Hamilton or Chauncey Billups earned that final MVP He was a star

Chauncey was incredible. Yeah, MVP ego dollar was a stud man ego dollar Chauncey was incredible. Yeah, you know mr. Big shot. Yeah. Yeah, Ben I think I'm did Ben get defensive with player to four times. I should have I should have had one or two of those and then You should have one of his one. I think I think one. I got a question for you. I think one I don't know what you say. He would make an argument that he should have had mine Defensive player I'm curious to know what you say. He would make an argument that he should have had mine. That's a good defensive player. I'm going to steal your stuff. So since we're talking about defensive player of the year, before we get to the ballast at the Palace, but defensive player of the year, when you think about defensive player

of the year, they'll talk about Michael Jordan. He played defense and he was this and he was that and LeBron never got a defensive player of the year in the whole country. You know he played defense and he was this and he was that and LeBron never got a defensive player right right right and then LeBron Has said multiple times that that year when Marc Gasol got the defensive player the year It should have been his right right. What are your thoughts about that? Well LeBron? I think LeBron is a good defender. He's different. He's um He hustled he tracks you down He's all over the floor. He's rebounding. He's a different type of defender. It's probably going overlooked a little bit.

But you can make the same case with MJ. MJ actually, the way I locked up is the way MJ locked up. You see what I'm saying? MJ locked up like that. You know, N got 30, so MJ, it's a difference. Marc Gasol was more protecting the rim, so LeBron does have an argument because Marc wasn't locking up, but he was protecting the team He was the anchor like a dream on green dream on locks up and he's the anchor

Right so LeBron was he definitely was the anchor because you go to the basket Well here comes LeBron look even look at his big blocks that he had in the finals He has an argument. He has an argument on being being a, on winning the defensive player of the year that year over Marc Gasol. I mean, Marc played, I think he has an argument that year because we were overlooking how he affects defense. Everybody, because we're used to seeing a wing player perimeter getting down on defense,

doing what Michael Jordan did, which was Michael lock people up. What year did Marc us all when defensive player The year mark the salt defensive player the year 2013 interesting so 2013 What did LeBron do in 2013? Yeah? Defensive player the 2013 he was playing for the heat defensive now that I think of the year 2013 last or second The last year he voted second defensive player of the year, okay, so if we go to defensive player of the year 2013. Was he voted second defensive player of the year? Okay, so if we go to defensive player of the year,

there's a most valuable rookie of the year, defensive player of the year. So LeBron won second. So Marcus Al got 212 votes. LeBron got 149. Mark had 31st place votes. And LeBron got 18. Then it was Ibaka, Yoh Kim Noah and it was Tony Allen

and Tim Duncan. So he almost got it. He almost got it. LeBron averaged.9 blocks a game. Mark was 1.7. Steals LeBron 1.7, Mark 1. I wonder how they scored that. When I asked you a question and I said, you know, here's what Jordan averaged you, LeBron average against you, Kobe average against you, and then the first thing

you asked about was what? What do they shoot field goal? Yeah, field goal percentage. Is the NBA going to look at the fact of what the opponent's field goal percentage is to give you that defensive play of the year? Well, I wouldn't have got defensive play of the year if it wasn't for Rick Carlisle because the year I got it, Rick Carlisle had the whole staff work on it. So Rick Carlisle really won me that. It was a stat that all small forwards averaged six points against me that year. I didn't even know that.

So you combine all the small forwards, when you play against Meta, they was only getting six points. Now you had LeBron might have gotten 25, but everyone else was getting really sometimes zero. I have a lot of people that zero points, which is really difficult. You know two points you know so you were 2004 right 2004 defensive player of the year and who was second behind you that year it might have

been Ben it was always me that those years was just being Ben flip-flopping one or two. Was it 03 or 04? I got it at 03 or 04. Can you pull it up Rob? I got it. Oh three. Oh four. Oh three. Oh four. Yeah Can you pull it up Rob? I'm actually curious right now. I'm gonna finish second. Oh, no shit Huh? Let me let me check this one out. I'm going If you go Rob to I'm actually curious to know who was is it showing who's second or no? Garnett He got MVP that year.

And actually, Jermaine, I thought Jermaine should have won defensive player of the year, but yeah, I got it. So let's talk about, you know, here's an interesting stat. I looked up who has been suspended, who got the biggest suspension in the NBA ever. OJ Mayo was first place. I didn't know that about him.

It was 162 games for, what was it? Substance. I think it was steroids. Substance. OJ Mayo didn't look like he used steroids. OJ Mayo, he used steroids? Substance and probably just closed the levels. Typically drugs of abuse.

It wasn't marijuana. You're not gonna get suspended that long for marijuana, right? Probably not for marijuana. He got 162 games, give or take. Okay, then yours was 86 games. Yeah, too many games. Yeah, and then third place was interesting was Littrell Spreewell. Oh. Yeah, 68. Oh yeah. The whole when he, you know, choked Rudy Tomjanovic. No, no, no. Who was it? P.J. Carlisimo. P.J. Carlisimo, yeah. Yeah. Rudy Tomjanovic is the one that got punched in the face

back in the days when he played. I don't know if you. Oh, yeah, of course. I think it was Larry. No, Julie serving. No No, no, you're gonna can Larry no completely different guy big guy. Yeah, he's a nice guy Actually punched him in the face broke his jaw and he had to sit you have to You can type punch, but anyways and by the way literal spree Well to me was one of the most exciting these These guys at the time had who? Billy Owens, they had, they had a very exciting squad, right, at the time. Maybe even Mullen was on the team with him. But with you, Malice at the Palace, right?

You know, you know things are, things change when a sport creates new rules. After that game, they never allowed glass drinks because of that game. Did you know this? The last time they allowed glass drinks in the NBA was at this game. After this, they say, moving forward, there's no more glass drinks. And no more drinking in the fourth quarter. Is that what they, no more drinking in the fourth quarter? Alcohol stops in the fourth, I think now it stops in the fourth quarter.

So look, I've heard this story, God knows how many times, it never gets old. My son Dylan, if he sits there and he wants to watch some video sports, he says, Dad, can we watch Malice at the Palace? He says, buddy, you can watch Ronaldo score a goal, Messi score, I want to watch Malice at the Palace. Walk us through what happened here. I don't even think the foul was that big of a foul, but just kind of give us your commentary. It wasn't that big of a foul. You see the score. So we were winning the game, you know,

and it wasn't that big of a foul, but you know, I know what happened. Like, so one, they were down. I've never given up free layups. I'm not, and just cause it was Ben, I'm not going to give up a free layup. And I saw Chauncey was on a podcast and said, Ron, foul Ben, he must not have known what he was doing.

As if I didn't know I was fouling like a shack, like as if I was scared of a gorilla. I'm like, yeah, I knew what I was doing. I was fouling Ben Wallace. Of course I knew what I was doing. And then, but as I foul Ben, he reacted. And then but as I as I fell been you know he Reacted are you guys at that's in that season? Are you friends you guys talking? I've never no we're definitely not friends

You've never been friends. No till today. I think we would see each other and say hello Like I don't have the problems with them, but but it's not like you guys are like Oakley and Jordan were friends No, I, never. It's not like one of those things at all. Never, never. But was there animosity? Is there anything that maybe he got an award that you didn't get or you got an award? Is there anything there?

I think the defensive player of the year is because when he got his in 2002. In 2002 I was an emerging defender and I wanted that award. He won it. Then he got it again in 2003. In 2003 I think I made first team all defense and I was locking a lot lot of people up and I'm like, now I should have got that award. In 2004, I actually get the award. So now he has two, I have one. Then you got the next year is the Brawl year. Now keep in mind, in 2003 for me, I got the most text and the most flagrants I think in the league in 03 and I think like the media was like, you know, meta is too wild. We're not don't just give him

that award. I think they just gave it to Ben. Not like he earned it, but I think it edged. 2004 I had my head on a little bit more straight. Oh, three or four.

The next year I could suspend it. So the next year I thought I was gonna win it. Because not only am I still the best defender, I believe, but my average is up, you know, it went up to 24 before I got suspended. So now, and then keep in mind, the year I got defensive player of the year,

I finished number six in MVP voting. No shit. A lot of stuff they keep away when it comes to me. You were number six MVP voting? I finished number six. Wow voting. No shit. A lot of stuff they keep away when it comes to me. You were number six in MVP voting? I finished number six. Wow. Hey, what's up? I'm Meta World Peace, the chairman

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I look forward to connecting with you on my neck. That's averaging 18 points. So check this out, so that's averaging 18. I make 13 on the NBA at 23 years old. So check this out. If I got that, and you know, oh that's the, yeah, I got different 20, yeah, okay. You see, so if I got that, so now I got that, and you know, that's the year I got the defense player of the year, okay. You see, so if I got that, so now I'm at now,

the next line under is 24. That's MVP, that's six points more, and we the best team in the league. We had the best record the year I got the defense player of the year. So I think that was my, I talk about that window. That's that window, that's that window. Like Shay Alexander, you know, MVP. We don't know when next time he don't get it. So I think that was my year

That was my window to get MVP So and so you so you guys are the player of the year and is is the NBA hyping it up that you guys are you know? Rivals and all that other stuff is that are they doing that or not? Really? Is it just something that you you and Pistons? Was there oh he was rivals. Oh, we was rivals, for sure. You were rivals at that time. We wasn't rivals from the perspective of like, it was generated by media. It's because we created that,

the Pistons and Pacers, we created that. Now they came out on top because they won, but we competed really hard. And internally, we even say, I speak to Rip Hamilton, because me and Rip, I speak more to Rip than any of them. And I'm cool with Rashid and also, and Chauncey, and Teyshawn, I know Teyshawn for so long.

And I like these guys, but when we played against each other, it was a different. So he comes in, it's not a hard foul, it's a foul. Right, right, it's a foul, but not a hard foul. And then he reacts. He reacts, and so immediately when I fouled him And he turned to me. I was trying to say sorry not maybe not sorry, but you know maybe my bad because if you if you look at my reaction and

I would that's what I was doing. I remember that you know Rob can you play it so so you can play a clip get commentary from because You know and by the way, I don't know if we can play it on the podcast or not, maybe we can, maybe we can, but if we can play just to get commentary, I wanna see this from his perspective, because God knows how many times I've seen this thing here. I know, too many times.

Is that it? That's definitely part of it. Yeah, that's definitely part of it. You click on it, it's probably gonna play on that one, Rob. They're definitely gonna play it. Okay, so here we go. I saw show the foul, so yeah, show the foul. I go to one Rob. They're definitely gonna play it. Okay, so here we go Yeah, sure the foul I don't have to show the file because I have to see the foul Rob. Yeah that picks up at the push

That's still We got to go to the one above Right there. Check that one out. See that's okay. That's it. So go back a little bit This is just gonna show the foul watch this. So you're going in so hold it right it. Okay, that's it. So go back a little bit. This is just going to show the foul. Watch this. So you're going in. So hold it right there. Okay. Now, that's definitely not a soft foul. It's not, but it's not a flagrant two or flagrant one foul.

Did they call a flagrant one on that or no? That was a, you know, it could have been a flagrant, but, or could, that's a flagrant. Okay, that's a flagrant. Now I can see why I've been Well, I didn't I didn't I never saw it this angle And this is keep in mind over the last 20 plus years. I said it was a soft foul Now you're calling a flagrant. Well, i'm calling that a that's a that's a that's a flag because you didn't make a play for the ball Well, I I wanted to make a play just to grab him, but it was a weird angle I don't know look at my eyes is that left hand now. That's a that's a that's a flagger

That's actually a flagger the right hand goes for the ball. He's a little bit I never even seen it by the way. I've never seen this angle myself I never seen this thing great fine. So can you Rob? Can you find the other angle? So you see he put he teach you in the Neck well pause it right there Rob. Yeah So you see he put he did you in the neck well pause it right there, right? Yeah So go for it. You were saying you were saying something well before that I see this angle It's a it's a heartfelt maybe it's not a flagrant. It's definitely like a warning, right? It's a warning, but well now you see now look at my hand. Let me see the keep going. I can't say no No, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't know if you're gonna see it, but well. You can go to the other clip.

Yeah, maybe go to the other clip. Because now the other clip shows the. Yeah. So after I followed them, right there, right there. Yeah, I saw the right hand. I was trying to be like, sorry, or I don't know. Yeah, like, yeah, like, maybe like, hey, yeah, we good. And then he was like, he's tough and I'm tough.

Yeah, Ben Wallace ain't no joke. You know, and I but you see me. I'm not too worried You know cuz like was Ben known as a guy that would fight in Brawler No now Ben's just a good player Ben's a very focused player. Look at me. I'm chillin so I'm not worried I'm not worried. I'm laying on the scores. Yeah You know, so you were like lying literally like lounging. I think I'm really chill. I'm not worried cuz cuz you know, I Didn't want to turn up. Look, I'm right there Now by the way, you can pause it here at this point. Is it fair to say Jermaine is a gamer? No, Jermaine's a yeah, he's a gamer like no, no, no now. I'm not saying basketball. I'm talking about like if things go down

basketball I'm talking about like if things go down This yeah, Jermaine all the whole team the whole team is the whole team is full of the whole team full of filled with dogs Who was the toughest who was? David Harrison and you know, he was a big dude big. Okay, David Harrison a dog Jamal Tinsley your point guard Jamal to really York City. He was a street boy before I was stayed I want to say I was state He was a gangster right? He's street before ball, you know Steven Jones dog Freddy Jones dog. There's nothing but dogs on that team. No and Dog, yeah, just foster. I think you're Kenny Anderson the point guard. No, any Anderson was like that old school Who put that team together together Donnie Walsh

Who put the guy Donnie Walsh? Intentionally was looking for dogs like he was looking for dogs. He got him, too And so play keep playing it Rob keep playing it so now you are lounging So as I'm lounging like the referees had no control right so the referees You know Ben won a fight. I'm like, yeah. It's about to come, watch closely. And they hold it, I mean, you know, so he's throwing stuff at me now,

that's why I got up right there. But up until this point, this is nothing out of the ordinary, it's a little scuffle in there. No, no, well, what? Until something gets thrown. No, what's out of the ordinary is that they didn't eject, they gotta make an injection like,

there was no control, the refs had no control. Typically you would be like, eject it, foul, eject it, do it again, warning, warning, warning. It was like, they was like, oh my goodnesses, people's going, like had no control. Make some decisions. Oh for this, so if Ben would have been ejected, boop, foul. Oh, you're running after him now?

Stop. Oh, I can't hold you. Ejected. Out of here. That's how that goes. So, now that you're watching this, should they have ejected both of you? I don't, I mean, maybe, because they was ejected, I was always getting ejected for looking at people.

I got ejected for looking at people the wrong way. But in this situation, I mean, I think you call the foul, you call the tech on the bench for pushing or the warning and as he's running, you go get him and say stop. As he's still going, at some point there has to be a tech. There was never a tech in this situation. So by the up until this point, they haven't called a tech or foul or anything. Not one tech. Only the foul that they called.

Only the foul. And that wasn't a flagrant back then. That was, I mean. No, did they, did the refs call it a flagrant back then? They just called it a foul. Cause it was, but it wasn't lower. I mean, you got to think about it. They were down.

They had a former champs, they were down. And then Ben had to go through the free throw line, probably was going to miss one of one. Right? You know what I mean throw line, probably was gonna miss one of one. Right? You know what I mean? So he probably was gonna... This is the beginning of the next season after they won the championship. This is the beginning after.

This is in November, the season starts in October. This is 10 games in. Ten games in. So now watch, keep playing the problem. Now it's about to happen. They said it wasn't a big game, but for us it was a big game. And you did this in their house.

Yeah, for us it was we. So you're still lying on the bench, on the scores table. Reggie Miller's like, everything's good. Ben Wallace doing his thing. And I'm just trying to like, just like get this shit over with already, you know? And then suddenly someone throws.

As Mike Brown yelling. Or she. I don't know how to. What a freaking time. This is the other end? I wish Steve would have guarded it actually. You're going to blame it on Steven Jackson. He's out there with all the smoke.

They haven't dropped the cup. Nothing's been dropped yet. Nothing's been dropped yet. It should happen any second now. They haven't dropped the company yet Nothing's been dropped yet. It should happen things down Lindsay was fun Lindsay was incredible. Yeah, he was fun to watch. Oh, I wish they didn't have oh there was Ben runs back wait for it. Okay See the cup land on him. Now? Now here the craziest fight in NBA history ensues.

Alright, here's the unfortunate situation. That's one way to put it. Here is the unfortunate situation. By the way, who's telling you don't do it? Is anybody telling you don't do it? Don't do what? Stop. Like come back out. Is anybody trying to stop you? I didn't see Steven Jackson stopping you.'t do it. Is anybody telling you don't do it? Don't do what? Stop, like come back out. Is anybody trying to stop you?

I didn't see Steven Jackson stopping you. No, no, it was Matt Sturrie. I don't think the referee blowing a whistle at this point is stopping you. But you gotta realize, somebody's gotta be like, look bro, we're gonna get suspended. No, no, no, no, no. Nobody. Not in there. Not at that point. Because what happened was, so when the guy hit me, and by the way, the guy made a $50 bet that he could hit me.

So that's what, it's on my documentary. It's on the documentary. So he betted the gentleman, he was here, another gentleman was here. This guy betted, this guy that he couldn't, no, this guy betted John Green that he couldn't hit me for $50. So then John threw the cup and hit me who's a kind

of a friend now actually he threw the cup and hit me and then the other gentleman raised his hand like oh you did it and then when I got hit that's the first thing that I saw you thought it was he did it yeah but and then people said you hit the wrong guy but it wasn't the wrong guy wasn't there someone on the floor that you came up? Commentate this keep going so I'm trying to see who threw that shoe. Yeah So they hit the frame. It was like when we was in court. They show frame by right. Can you go back Rob? I want to know who you know, so when you when he runs up No, no a little bit back when he first runs up, okay right there

Okay, let it go. Okay. Let it go from here. So Through the cup so John in the white hat my friend John He ran away and he bet the guy the guy bet The guy I'm attacking right now And so you never hit John I didn't any of them. I shook the Ryan. I think that was Ryan I never punch anyone in the face now. I don't you later the other guy that came up to the guy that came up to me Yeah, he tried to attack me on the court. I didn't tell I didn't punch. No you got these guys I just shook him. I just held him like don't you ever throw no cup at me play it right from here, right?

And then John okay, you don't punch it. Well, you're kind of slapping And that's John holding you back. Yeah someone threw another This is the greatest fight in NBA history I mean, right and then John punches me in my face from behind right there night He's punching me in my face. Are you joking John punch you in the face? He punched me go back a little bit I've never seen this John punching interface. He's punching me in my face right right there right now. Look, okay I see I saw that I saw, John punching in the face. I mean. He's punching me in my face. Wow. Right there, right now. Look, look at that, you see that thing? Oh, I see it, yeah, I saw that, I saw that.

That's me getting punched in the face. Wow, so John, what did John do? Was John a tough guy or just a fan? Like, so John, so, I was so depressed after this, so years has passed, just pause it for a second, then you can go. So, what happened was, in 2007, I was trying to become undepressed.

So I started to reach out to everybody in the situation. So I reached out to John. We actually had a conversation, became like friends. You know, so with John's situation, he was a AA, he was already an AA at this point. He wasn't even supposed to be drinking. I learned a lot about John Covey friends. And he was also going through a little bit of issues with his family also.

So it was a backstory to him that I'm also sympathetic even though he lost me tens and tens of millions of dollars. But lost so much money, so much opportunity costs. But that don't really affect me as much as his story. You know, I'm more like, he was going through stuff too. And as I'm on the board of UCLA Psychiatric, where I have a soft spot for people that's going through stuff.

So, which is unfortunate, but it's just how I made up. Wow, so Rob, keep playing it, keep playing it. But yeah, in this moment. Lower the audio a little bit, Rob, because it keep playing it so so so but yeah in this moment Lower the audio a little bit Rob because we can hear it so okay at this point. It's going back and forth This is back and forth so by the way did Ben and you add the Ben at all hit you did any of the pistons that All hit you during this well Ben was just throwing his band his wrist bands when I was on the table It's tough to hurt you with wristbands. Well. Yeah, it was it should have been a tech Okay, so you're that's Wes

Wes Wes got me I almost got pepper sprayed I didn't even know it the cop was coming up to pepper sprayed me and a guy that's holding me Worldwide Wes Oh, we're why Wes well, I was that's where I was if it wasn't for him I already got pepper spray and arrested on the floor. Larry Brown is Yeah If it wasn't for him, I would have got pepper spray and arrested on the floor. Larry Brown is coaching. Pam, right there. West, right there. Pause it, pause it. Yeah. Pam. West got me.

If you see the tape, you'll see the cop had the pepper spray. Because the guy, when I got back down to the floor, then the other fans tried to punch me. Two fans jumped me. Two more fans, they jumped me. They literally jumped me. Oh, Rob, if you go back in the other clip, the other clip will show the two fans trying to jump him the one that was yeah that's the one right there watch this so this keep a play and let

it let it go okay so boom that's that and then this is when it drink hits man what a disaster yeah and then it starts and there's john see john was like, oh see john see john and then this is it Yeah, this guy came in attack me. Who's this guy? Yeah, he knocked them out. How are they on the floor? That's my point boom and then germaine orneil comes and start knocking people. Oh, yeah, so he slips what he's saying And they like at one point is that chuck person that's chuck. Yes my guy trying to get him out chuck was a great Chuck was incredible Chuck was a shooter. Yeah, so this game was another Scott by the way, they just did that to the Marcus cousin couple days ago. I saw that so let's let's like brown

So okay Ron Meta you you this ends. Yeah They stopped the game. It's over. Like everyone's going home. Now. That's gonna be happy. You're in the locker room like What's going on in the locker room? Now? What's going on with the chaos? The locker room was weird because for me, I worked so hard. I was in therapy. I'm doing everything I gotta do. I'm on the table. I'm not engaging with Ben. That's all things I practice in therapy. So I'm in the locker room like no way that this has therapy. So I'm like, so I'm like, I'm in a locker room, like no way that this has happened. So so much is going through my head. Like I'm averaging 24, you know, I'm gonna be an all star again. I'm gonna be first team all defense again. You know, all this is about to

happen. You know, we're gonna be the best team in the league again. This is you talk about when Iverson was in the East, we talk about when Kobe was in the league, We had the best record when Shaq was they was in the league at this point of time Ready Sam saying so this is legacy right here. So when I got into that locker room, I Asked even I say I think we I asked even Jamal kind of a general question I said you think we gonna get in trouble cuz I'm just like if this is about if I if I know Davis turn and if this is what I think it is I am done and Then Steve was like, yeah, we are done So I had you know

So it was it was like it was definitely the worst day that was probably worst day in my life For sure and then also not the worst day in my life was in 1999. I get drafted by the Knicks It's the second worst 1999 I get drafted by the Knicks It's the second worst thing Already in therapy prior to that fight. Yes, so I had anger management problems as we all know so We could do a whole stand-up show and it's honestly brought to you by Valuetainment, man. By the way, MVP voting that year, Nash has won, Shaq's too.

That's the one where Shaq's like he thought he took it from him. Dirk has three, Duncan has four. AI? AI, LeBron, McGrady, Wade, Statham. Not this year, not this year. So maybe, is that 03 or 04? Oh, sorry. Or 03, 04, or 04?

Oh, sorry, no. All right, so this is after I got year. So maybe is that 03 or 04 or 04 or 04 or 04? Oh sorry, no. All right, so this is after I got to... I'm talking about 03 or 04. This is 04 or 04. Garnett, Duncan, Jermaine O'Neal. What else to say? And then, Pajas Stojakovic, Kobe, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Kid.

For MVP? Yeah, 03, this is 03 or 04. I thought I finished 6. Well let me check one of them. Maybe it's a different one I'm looking at. No, you might be looking at the three or four. I thought I finished six. Well, let me check one Maybe it's a different one. I'm looking at no you might be looking at the right one. Maybe I could be wrong I thought I finished six MVP voter but cuz he was the you but but this happens This is what I'm trying to get Adam what I'm trying to find that is the locker room after this Yeah, it's this Brown even in the locker room. Is he talking to you guys? Yeah, he's the other coach

It's Carlisle saying anything to you guys Carlisle trying to calm everybody down. Well, he knows the other coach. Who is your car? Is Carl I'll say anything to call us trying to calm everybody down Well, he knows it's done the seasons. He's about to lose two of you guys Well at that point it was so wild and the fans we wasn't even thinking about that We think about getting out there getting out that building You know That was that that was so that at that point we know something has happened So Carl I was just trying to calm everybody down and not let it escalate anymore.

It was a wild time. That's what everybody, we all knew we was done. What's Miller, is Reggie Miller in the locker room talking to you guys? People was outside the doors, the people was everywhere. Everybody's outside the door. How long? I was in this, I just went to my seat.

How long from you leaving, like right there where they're pouring everything on you, throwing everything on you, to you guys in the locker room shower leaving how long is that time? That might have been out Might have been an hour. So you guys have an hour together, but they wanted to arrest us. Are you kidding me? Yeah, somebody over there because you guys think you know people say hey matter why you didn't sue like that's not even in my makeup to Sue, you know, you know people sue it's not even in my makeup, but I think you had any that could have went south for the businesses

There's a lot of lawsuits that could happen, you know, none of us founding lawsuits You know now some of the people like this guy said the guy that Hit me not been the other fan trying to file a lawsuit He did yeah came with the both of them trying to file a lawsuit this guy and the other both of them look at these guys Look at these guys. They were what happened any luck or nothing. No luck. No luck The district attorney of Detroit was incredible

The judge was like a little bit like the media got to the judge. Who is the best player on the team at that time? Is it Reggie? On that team? Yeah. No, me and Jermaine. Oh really? Yeah. Not like that, but Reggie was, oh this is Reggie's second to last year. Was this the year where it's kind of like, hey this is a shot for Reggie to win the chip? This was the year for sure.

I mean, I was the leader of the scoring team. I saw a clip, speaking of Reggie, I don't know if you were in it, I think Steven Jackson was in it, where they apologized to him and Reggie started crying. Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. Because he's like, nah, it's not your fault. Yeah, we felt bad for him. It was like super emotional.

Can you find that clip? It's very emotional. It is. Were you in that or was that just Steven Jackson? No, that was just Steven and your fault. It was like super emotional. Very emotional, it is. Were you in that or was that just Stephen Jackson? No, that was just Stephen Reggie. He's apologizing saying, I knew this was your last chance. And we kind of ruined it with the Malice to Palace thing. I ruined it. But Steve is saying we were, Steve's just being nice.

Steve was just being a little bit nice. It was definitely probably the majority of my fault. Is that it Rob? Yeah. I'm glad to see you because this, I've never had a chance to tell you that I'm sorry. Just let me finish though because like I, we all understood what our motivation was for. Yeah, that's true. It wasn't for us. It was for you.

Yeah, for sure. Our whole motivation was for getting things done the right way and getting the championship. We wanted to bring Reggie away for sure. I never got a chance to apologize to you for my actions now. With me saying that, I love you even more because you defended me because you knew that I was just being a loyal teammate. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't out there being a thug and nothing like that. So it meant a lot to me. That's why I gotta take a drink, cuz.

Told you I didn't want to go there, man. I'm trying to hold mine in. You don't need to say that to me, man. Come on, man. So you don't need to apologize to me. This is a beautiful moment. You young cats, when I say young, I mean Jamal, Jermaine, Al, yourself, Ron. Those last few years in Indiana,

my best years. I didn't have my superpowers, but I felt, and you guys made me feel like I was Superman. We had some dogs, man. We had a squad. That was arguably, and I played on some Indiana teams that were destined, should've, could've, but always came short. That team, we were stacked, should've, could've, but always came short.

That team, we were stacked, man. Yeah, that team was crazy. We was definitely, you know, that team was incredible. And I was in my prime on the wing, like nobody was getting nothing off. But yeah, you know, that's why I didn't really want to fight Ben or why I was like,

I'm gonna go to Scrooge's table. I was in therapy, So after after my practices after every practice, I had to go to therapy, you understand? So that's like going to so that's what I did after every practice. So from that perspective What's what Jack was saying was? Was 100% right so I can take the blame because I didn't expect anybody to hit me Like I was preparing for other things, like on court, not getting texts, not being detrimental to the team. The fan thing was like, I never saw that coming.

Never saw that coming. Caught me off guard. So, can you imagine, you know, I watch the game and I think about when, we're talking today, when was the favorite era watching the NBA. I'm like, you know, 90s, early, mid 2000s, and that's it. After that, it was, you know, of course, 2010 Lakers were winning, I was good, Kobe, all that stuff, I'm good. After Kobe, I'm done with the NBA.

I don't have any interest in the NBA. I'm not rooted for anything. I've been out, right? But to me, there's one thing that, and I wonder what you'll say about this. The one thing that made the game, like right now, okay, WNBA. Stats came out today. I don't know if you saw the stats that came out today. Since Caitlin Clark's been injured, viewership has been down 55% since she's been injured,

right? But guess what for the lead 53% decline 55% decline since her injury since her injury right man and you got Angela is it Angela Reese Angel Reese Angel Reese right and she's very good at getting rebounds off her missed shots and she stacks those a lot but she's so these guys but there is animosity in the game, right? There's a level of animosity in the game where fans who would I would never watch WMBA right now You're like dude. Yeah, Caitlin's captivating Caitlin's captivating and she's a good villain So it's kind of like going back and forth seeing what's gonna happen. Do you think the NBA? Maybe you you're gonna disagree with this

gonna happen. Do you think the NBA, maybe you're gonna disagree with this, the game today, yeah, I don't know. It is what it is. Man, there was villains back then. There was animosity back then. It was true, you know, like I remember when Jordan wanted to go out and hang out with Oakley and Pat Riley was like, no, you can't go do that. He's trying to soften you up, become friends with you. we're not doing that. There was a certain element of that. Do you miss that? Do you think it will ever have that or do you think it's just kind of like, you know? It's back now. You think it is?

Yeah, it's back. If you look at the league now, it's aggressive. There's people that don't talk to each other, it's back. It's just that people that's not watching, they're basing their kind of comments and opinions on two years ago, three years ago, because that's what it was. But if you watch now, the league is really physical, and there's people that do not talk to each other.

Right. Give me, and I love that. I don't know exactly, but I'm watching the game, and you can tell. For example, Halliburton, the players called him the most overrated player. He's the most overrated player poll. That's right, I saw that. Cause he talks a lot of trash. He's not making friends with a lot of people out there.

So right now the league is coming back, but I think people that got turned off, they haven't watched recently. Cause right now it's incredible. What do you think caused the NBA to be turned off? So lowest viewership since 1988. Lowest viewership in the final semifinal. Of course, two small markets, I get that, but it's the lowest viewership since 1988.

What caused it? I think the change, I think because it's a global game, right? And I think, now the money's going higher because… Now I'm not talking viewership. What I'm talking about is what caused animosity to leave? Because the leaving of the animosity wasn't because of Kobe. Kobe was all animosity. It happened after Kobe with LeBron.

What caused animosity to be gone in the NBA? As a fan? Just a game doesn't … All right, so … Everyone's friends. Everyone's like, oh, you know, me and Chris Paul are hanging out or something. Stuff you're watching with the camera. I want to know you don't like each other.

I want to know there's a fight. I want to know there's like, you know the greatest UFC fight ever? You know what it was? It was freaking, you know, Khabib against Conor. Dude, Khabib wanted to kill him. He wanted to kill him. So as a fan, it's the most viewed fight ever in the history of UFC. And today it's kind of like, yeah, whatever.

You know, we'll see what's going to happen. It's a little soft. And by the way, I don't disagree with you on how it is. I think Shae is a little bit calm. He's not steering the pot and creating excitement. He's like, no, we'll be fine. No, we'll be this versus Halliburton's like, dad's getting kicked out, dad's talking shit, he's doing this, he's making fun of his dad's pants

and you kind of seen that a little bit with him. But what caused the game to be softer? Well, I think how we left the game is the rules. I think people were trying to move the game forward. I think they wanted to remove themselves from our era and then a lot of the fabric has changed. The fabric was changing actually. And then you saw more people buddy-buddy on other teams,

more people before games laughing, talking. I mean, even Elton Brand, one of my best friends who I love to this day, like literally. You guys fought in AAU. You and Elton Brand got into a fight one time. We got into a fight on the same team. You and Lamar Odom together, yeah. We got me and Elton got into a fight one time. You guys used to put AAU and Lamar on them together. We got me and Elton got in a fight on the same team

on the label line, and that came from playing against each other, and then also in our practices, our Riverside Church practices, which was really intense. I was always intense in practice. And I think we were always toward no friends. So me and Elton, we got drafted together with the Bulls when we was playing against each other in practice in Chicago. I mean, Elton is a big strong boy.

You got to watch out for Elton Clippers. He used to be a big strong boy, you know, and a man, you know, was the brand Clippers or Clippers also play very well. He was 20 and 10, I think, for his career underrated underrated player very underrated But you know so from that perspective how we we came up under the era of competing You know when me and Lamar would play against each other was a really great friend I wasn't making friends with Lamar, you know, I wasn't trying to say you know What you doing after after this for dinner? You weren't that guy?

No, not at all. And those are like closest friends And then you had some other people I don't know you i'm definitely not trying to get dinner with you or lunch Or anything But I think the good thing about being friends because a lot of players miss out on opportunities to do business together, too So you're talking about having a 10-year career? No friends, you know, that's so much opportunities where you could be having a 10-year career, no friends, you know, that's so much opportunity where you could be investing together, doing business together. Wow, so you're actually saying it's more strategic if you are friends to do more business together.

You should be friends, honestly. Now you can still compete, but you know, go co-invest together. Like imagine if we're not talking as athletes, we can co-invest about real estate, doing this stuff together. So I think LeBron started, I didn't wanna go right at LeBron, but LeBron started the friendship, but I think he was onto something.

But at some point in time, you gotta compete. So I think now's a better balance. I think now's a better balance. I don't know, man. I gotta tell you, I don't like that. So I wanna show you this. I just to know how you're gonna react to it. Okay, when you played against Michael or Kobe, okay, can you ever visualize Michael or Kobe doing things like this? I just want you to watch this and just give me your thoughts on it. I mean, obviously that's a flagrant too, at least, right? That's

a hard foul on LeBron from him to fall that way. Look at that. What happened right there? You think Michael and Kobe are going to react that way? Let it continue. Let it keep going. I just want to get your thoughts. Let it play Rob, because it's going to keep showing you more of these.

I love LeBron. I know you do. I know it's your guy. Okay, so let's watch this. Sorry LeBron, I'm going to comment on this. Watch this one here. Look at that. What a hard heartfelt by Paul George

Knocked him out like 20 feet to here's another one for you Watch this one. Watch this hey, hey, watch this one, you know, I You know, I don't know Look at this And that's his boy Chris Paul by the way, they're friends Look at that. Chris is like they're both great actors. Maybe that was kind of like, I want to show you I'm a better actor than you. No one's touched them. You get positive at this point. Met up. Be honest, man. You see this stuff deep down inside. Do you watch this and say, this is part of the strategy path. This is what you don't understand as a fan. He's been strategic.

It's a strategy. It's a strategy. It is a strategy. Where the strategy comes from, it comes from the rule changes. It comes from changing the culture. It's not the players fault. It's the referees fault. Why doesn't Caitlin Clark do this? She gets fouled all the time.

She stands up. She's a different breed. Caitlin's a different breed. Okay, so then that's the point. Caitlin's a different breed. She's old school. Caitlin's a different breed. Okay, so then that that's the point. Okay, Caitlin's a different breed. She's old school Caitlin's a different breed. Caitlin's old school. You can't lose touch. She's old school. She's different breed. Oh shit She's a different she's from our energy She can shoot though. She's a shoe for sure. Yeah, she can shoot but have you seen when she gets followed what she does?

She boom she jumps up. Yeah, but she doesn't want you to feel like you hurt her I was talking to one of the owners of the Fever and they were like, Caitlyn's getting fouled so much. And I said, don't worry about Caitlyn. She said, yeah, but they're going to hurt her. I said, don't worry about her. She is going to be fine. She's not worried.

But you know, I think so, I think when the referees are calling these flops, you know, that's where you say, oh, they're gonna call flops? Well, I'll do it too. And I think they're, I think, but you got, but if they're flopping and the refs is calling foul. Oh, but that is, but again, like two, two, okay, so let me ask you this. Take advantage of the rules.

Let me ask you, Michael Kobe placed today, you think they're gonna flop the way they did, the way this guy does? I don't think so, but I do think if the ref the rules wasn't like that You couldn't even do that. You see I'm saying that the rules was this year. This is Caitlin I'm only showing this against LeBron because she's from Indiana. I want to give you credit, but watch this Boom, what does she do up? No foul. Okay. Oh

Oh Yeah, that one that one you might be the different ones. I mean maybe not that's above the neck though You know watch this which is boom boom boom. Okay, what does she do? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, like don't help me up. I love Caitlyn. She's incredible. Yeah you see and again to me look at that. Let's see what she's going to look at this. She got a hit upside the head, semi-punch upside the head and what does she do? She's getting her senses back. Yeah and so you can pause it right there. A part of me as a fan and maybe this is just me as a fan. Dude do you know like I was telling this guy earlier, okay, so if you're a hater, you're this, you're that, well I'm a Kobe, diehard, Laker, I go back Ron, I mean, I go back, Sedell Treat, I go back Van Axe, Anthony Peeler, lefty, elbow, you know.

That's how I am with the bulls, like Will Perdue, Dickie Simpkins, like, ooh. Wellington, all these guys are back in the game. Those are my guys. But you know you watch this, I so want to come back to being a die-hard fan of the game and just few things about it. Yeah, I think you might want to stop watching. I think if you want to come back to stop watching the game,

I think it's shifting. It's a huge shift. Right now it's a huge shift. They're not calling fouls. You got to watch some of these I don't know if you watch the playoffs this year. I did and you I don't know if you seen they're letting them play and I love it So let me play slowly coming back. They're letting them play. Yeah, so that's that's a part We gotta get it back to the American game We care like yeah, let over and find people coming to let them come play, right? Like yeah, let over and find people coming to let them come play right? But it was a point in time when like droshen petrovic where they earned you seen droshen getting somebody's face

He wasn't backing down. He came into the american game play against him. I didn't play against him He was a jersey. He played for new jersey jersey I would overlap thing with him if he didn't you know, he passed away early Yeah, but yeah, we gotta we gotta get we to get the American game the way they talk about him Have you heard stories about drajan what they say about this incredible player? Yeah, it was it was a rough situation what happened with them credible player right there so go ahead Adam I think you know, I think you were you were alluding to I don't want to put words in your mouth You're saying that the European game is a little more soft than the American game You're saying we want to get back to the American game. Yes, the European game

I'm not saying the European game soft is different, but we got to get in America. We got to get to our American What do you think speaking of that? What do you think the the reason is that? only non-americans are winning the MVP it's because it's been yokich. Yeah. Shea. It's been Yanis. Yeah, it's been who else has won it recently. Luke did Luca win an MVP or no? No. Okay. Yanis. Luca. No, sorry. Now you Luca. Yeah, Shay. He okay. Oh, Joel and bead.

I want to say he was he's Cameroon. I want to say what is the when's the last time that an American born players won the MVP? What are your thoughts on the game change and less Americans being the man now because the America we have a culture problem and is and is seeping into our sports. Now the culture problem is we're not on the same page and because we're not on the same page we good or bad we rather not help each other and let someone else come in and creep up and grab territory grab opportunity this has

happened outside of sports also right this happened outside of sports also, right? This happened outside of sports and that's the problem with basketball is, for example, we'll send our players overseas. We'll help the overseas players get better. They come back here. What do we do in America? We send our grown men who just left college to go play against a 15-year-old Luca, right? Because they're playing overseas, but our 15 year old kids can't play pro. Well, who do you think is going to get better? The 15 year old kid playing against men. You see what I'm saying? And we're not collaborating with like former pros, like myself and others to help the game. So for now, we need to, it's too many gatekeepers in American sports and you can see it now. We you know we're losing, I want to see us get back on top. Like I really enjoy the

foreigners and foreign players. I enjoy it but not at the expense of us. Give us a shot for example, another example. If an American player goes overseas only two or three people can play on the team if Overseas players come to America you can have a whole team full of overseas players called. That's the maps That's what mark Cuban did you can have a whole team full overseas place or now our? American players can't go overseas and maximize their dollar dip, you know Right because there's no spot, but they can come over here and make a hundred million dollars That's kind of like, you know how how the relationship between China and US with tariffs. Like, China can come here do business with everybody, but hey, you know, a lot of our companies can't do business in China.

And, you know, they're not held to the same standards. I actually texted my buddy, R.F. Cake. I want to actually, this is a huge, this is a really important issue. If you love sports, you know, I'm not a, this is an important to me where I need we need to be on the even playing field. Right. So now it's like this is actually what do you call it? Not global, not tourism, diplomacy. This is this needs to be brought up. They got to open the borders in terms of give our American players opportunity to go to China, Japan, Europe and open it up. Or now only two players could play on. You're an open border guy. I'm talking about that. Sports sports sports sports sports.

I'm joking. Can I give you another philosophy? I want to know what you think about this. Could it be that a lot of American players are way more focused on doing it for the gram than actually putting in the work as an example There's guys who made it to the NBA or never made it to the NBA and they've been so focused on social media There's a kid named Mikey Mikey you've seen this kid. No Mikey Williams. I want to say this kid had 5 million Instagram followers before even made it to college this kid Ronnie James Talk about being coordinated before you've done anything, right? You know, there's another kid on Maury Bailey a lot of these guys get famous because they get dunked They could jump out the gym. They're getting millions of Instagram followers, but they don't develop a mid-range

They're not playing D. That's you know, they're they're doing the the dunk thing and maybe they're shooting threes and by the time they're 18 They're tatted up. They're just you know, they're doing the dunk thing and maybe they're shooting threes. And by the time they're 18, they're tatted up. They're just, you know, pseudo celebrities. I think this guy's literally in jail right now. Are you serious? I find out Mikey Williams worries out right now. I think he gets suspended from a team. I don't know. I don't know what happened to him is my point. And this is that and this is the disconnect because it's too many. I got the body jail time after being arrested for firing gun to the car full of people. Are you joking? Okay. So here's a kid who's been talked about since he's a freshman as being the best player to come out of high school.

But now where is he to be found? How much you think social media has been an effect on these young kids trying to get to the league? I think it's been an effect. I think also they got to lean on the veterans. There's veterans out there that played this game, myself, others, that can help these young players. But because there's so much money involved, they detach, they keep it out, keep you away.

And then they just nurture these players and we can't go in there and help. We should, us veterans that played, we should be in the, hey young fella. How you doing? Hey young fella How you doing? So like I said, it's a culture It's a total culture problem in sports that needs to be if we want to see it get better They're also this is my opinion might look at you and say man. Well, you don't know what it's like So for instance, I always find it so shocking Mikey this kid's done nothing

Five million followers then we have some got Steve Francis one of the greatest point guards I've ever, maybe has like 30,000 Instagram followers. So don't be fooled by the Grams is what I'm saying. I don't know if that correlates to what I'm talking about with the league. I think it's a very different comparison of combining what I'm saying with what happened with the NBA. I want to see animosity. I want. All right, I want to see animosity. I want to see fight.

I want to see confrontation. I want to see all. Ron, you know, it's funny, when was your rookie year, 99? 99. Rodman retired 2000, but you guys never played against each other. I'm so pissed at Rodman, man. The day I was going to play against Rodman,

Mark Cuban released him because he got in trouble. I'm like, Rodman, I can't believe you did that to him. The day you're going to play against him, he released him and you never played against him? Maybe the day before, sometimes he got in trouble. They released him from the Mavs. And it was, I was just, I was ready to go see him. Who was he to you? Rodman's my favorite player. He's my favorite player. 91, 91. Like 91, 91. Like, it's quite a coincidence I got suspended in Detroit where he played at.

But Rob, I wanted to win a championship that year for Rob Reggie and then also it was going to be Rob. Do you think right now if the Indiana Pacers win, do you think Reggie deep down, like do you guys, Steven, you, Reggie, deep down inside? Do you want to see Pacers win? Yes? Yes, is it now listen? Let me tell you something. Yes 100% so when they win we win. That's how we feel He was all at the game yesterday. We all at the game everybody. Oh Pacers was in the building. We got two more games and we need them at the game yesterday Yeah, I came here for you. I'm leaving. I'm leaving tomorrow morning. Go back to

We need them at the game yesterday. Yeah, I came here for you. I'm leaving to my morning go back to Indiana if you guys win this is no we need to win we're gonna wear listen that ring It's gonna be those players if they win it. They don't know how good that's gonna feel to us You know, we need them to win because then it's just gonna validate who we were if they don't win then as Organization as a collective it's you know, it's just similar style of a team though. It's like it's a dogfight It's not like if you ask the average person who's a second best player on the Pacers They have to think about it You got to think about it

Carlisle is the guy so you don't forget about Rick Carlisle. This is not taking anything away from the players, but Carlisle's the superstar here. They have a superstar. Wow. And let me tell you what's happening with the game. It's just the game is going back old school. Because the malice at the palace was Carlisle.

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Some of these things are pretty crazy, okay? And you tell me if these are true or not. Okay, one by one by one. First one. Did you really apply to work at Circuit City or Rookie or when you're playing for the Bulls just to get a discount? Yeah. Yes.

And I was a good worker. How much money was Bulls paying you? Were they not paying you enough to just stay? It wasn't that much. Well, if you get a $999,000 in your rookie contract contract after tax, it's not a lot of money. It's like anybody that's getting $500,000 a year after tax, they probably still have services, right? You have services.

You know what I mean? You're not going to stop working. You see how the perception, you're like, wow, because I'm in the NBA. Did they know you're a bowl like that? When you're going there, like a Chicago Bulls guy made it in the NBA is working at Circuit City? Like what did they say in the interview? Oh yeah, the guy was like, you serious?

I said, yeah, I want to work at Circuit City after my practices. How many hours, how many days did you work there? How long did you work there? I did it two days until it got in the media. And then Jerry Krauss was like, what are you doing working at Circus City? I said, Jerry, man, like, I got too much time on my hands.

I need a job. The owner was like, you cannot be doing this. Yeah, I did, yeah. All right, so let me ask the next one here. All right, let me ask the next one here. So you were 37 with the Lakers to honor Michael Jackson's Thriller album that was number one on the Billboard for 37 weeks yes or no yes true definitely so you're Michael

Jackson guy yeah definitely you know I'm Michael Jackson guy I know he's been through a lot and different things happen but when you look at songs like Hail the World, Black or White you know that type of stuff is like he really tried to give his all to the world and it inspired me as a child To like want to be good even like the song with the dolphin. What song was that? Yeah, heal the world make it a better place. No, no, no, no, no one It was free Willie. Yeah, what's the name of that song? Like those

No, that's not it Yeah, yeah, yeah the free willy one a free willy song type in free willy song No, that's not it that's definitely not it No, you don't have it bro, don't do it because we're gonna get flagged the dolphin song Maybe what? No the orca was... No, the orca. The orca, it was the orca. Michael Jackson. One of a kind.

Maybe it's down somewhere. I think that's it. Okay, so I got another one for you. Maybe that's the name of it, actually. I got another one for you. Oh yeah, yeah, well you... I think I got something, I'm right. I forgot the, like, it's not in the hook,

that's the name of the song, but it's not the hook. Usually the hook is in the song. Yeah. So I got another one for you. Is this true? You once drank Hennessy at halftime while with the Bulls? Maybe maybe not It's a while that was really 21 years old. I was kind of very reckless at 21 years old.

Still in the NBA. In the NBA. I was a street mentality guy until I got older. When I got to Indiana, it was shifting. I was in therapy. And then as I got older, it was slowly shifting. And I was slowly, now I'm just like a nerd. Completely different guy.

Transition, yeah. So, and next one here, your dad, was your dad a Golden Gloves boxer and a Navy vet? My dad was a professional boxer. He's on boxrec.com. You type in Ronald Artest with Muhammad Ali, you'll see my dad at the very bottom, two in one. He was a great boxer, but then he had me.

He met my mom and you're in Ronald our test. There you go Hey dad So, you know, I couldn't even get a picture of him though, let's get something up there he got knocked out once he's tuned Oh, you got knocked out once. That's cool. So what happened was we had wait. What year was that? 1976 he had me in 79. So he met my mom in 77 and he just stopped boxing but he wouldn't have me so You know, you know, you're the girl Was he teaching you how to fight was he was he a guy that was like hey you got to learn how to defend yourself Or no, so he never so I would go with him to the boxing ring sometimes as a kid

But as I started to learn he didn't want me boxing so he started to hide boxing from me He's not the high boxing from me because he didn't want me but I wanted to learn, he didn't want me boxing. So he started to hide boxing from me. He started to hide boxing from me because he didn't want me, I wanted to be a boxer. So as he started to hide it, as I got older in the NBA, I said, dad, I want to box when I retire. So I was 24, right before the brawl. I said, dad, I want to box. I said, I want to give you four fights.

He got Angelo Dundee on the phone. Before Angelo Dundee said, listen, you sure you want to give you four fights. He got Angelo Dundee on the phone. Before Angelo Dundee said, listen, you sure you want to fight? I said, yeah. But I said, it's going to take me 10 years because Mike Tyson, it took Mike Tyson about 10, 11 years ago to get to win. So I said, I'm definitely not doing that.

I want to do it when I'm 35. So I was going to train with Angelo Dundee. We talked about a lot of different things, then the brawl happened when the brawl happened What were you he passed away 2012 he passed in 2012. Okay, yeah So when the brawl happened, I didn't want to come out and say I was gonna fight because I was gonna actually come out That year and say I was gonna fight bad timing bad timing So I just said, yeah. Were you a tough guy when you were a kid?

Were you a tough guy, were you always fighting? Like when I talk to Tyson, Mike will say, you know, since he was nine years old, one time he just went like this, he says, I was afraid to fight. He says, one time I just went like this, knocked the guy out, the guy's dad comes, and he knocks the dad out at 10, 11 years old, young kid.

But were you like a tough guy? Were you a fighter from the beginning? No, I wasn't, I wasn't. I think, yeah, I got suspended in pre-K, kindergarten, every year in school. Pre-K? I got suspended, I fight in pre-K, I fight in kindergarten.

And what do you mean you were not a fighter? If you got suspended in pre-K, who gets suspended in pre-K? Yeah, I think I was a fighter. I was a fighter. I was a fighter. You're kidding me. You're kidding think I was. Who were you in high school? Of course you're a star. You're doing what you're doing in basketball. You put on us the numbers. But in high school, if they go back classmates, they're in class with you, who would they say Ron was? High school was different. I went to an all-boys Catholic

school. So I got suspended my first year, but then not no more after that. I did get suspended in the ninth grade, but then every year after that I didn't get suspended. So then you didn't get into trouble. No, I was pretty good. I had a 60. I had a D average my first year in LaSalle Academy. Look at my freshman year. Look at my face. I'm mad. That's not you. That's me. I'm mad for no reason. Is that really you? Mad for no reason.

Is this in Queens? This is La Salle Academy, second and second in Manhattan, second street and second avenue. That summer, that year, was that the same time that the movie He Got Game came out? Oh, around that time.

Around that time, I forget what year. Ray Allen? Ray Allen, Jesus Shuttleworth. They had a bunch of different NBA players. I just watched that movie a couple months ago. What a great movie. But this is going on in your city. They had a bunch of different NBA players. I just watched that movie a couple months ago. What a great movie. This is going on in your city. They had a bunch of basketball, but 1998. That picture was 93, the one you just saw. No, I'm saying, but you were in high school in 98 or you just graduated?

I was in college. Okay, gotcha. In St. John's. By the way, what was it like? Because I remember in 98 when, you know, what 97 when Felipe Lopez, right? They call him the Dominican Jordan, cover of Sports Illustrator. Like this guy was supposed to be it. Yeah, what happened with him? College and it comes and plays a few seasons in the NBA, four, five, six seasons. What happened to Felipe?

Felipe shit up and went to the NBA out of high school because when he went to college, they started double teaming him. So his stock dropped then sophomore year they they they are putting more strategies. So now he should he should not leave and didn't make the tournament then junior year playing a little bit better, but now stock has dropped other people are coming and then senior year I get there. I take him to the tournament for the first time

ever. I get the St. John's and I bring Felipe to the NCAA tournament He just drafted number 26 and then be a he had a great NBA career actually until he got hurt He was he was like a Bruce Bowen, but a better offensively. I mean he played six years He was about to sign a big deal and then he had a ACL tear Wow So he actually had a good career really so you had a good career He is he was he was having a good career I mean about two I mean only two points for I look at I look at earnings earnings says 600,000 first year Grizzlies second year with the Wizards 831 third year timber timber walls 565 fourth year timber walls

637 career total two point six three million dollars right and and after that cuz he was a he was a low pick He's the first round pick but after that they were gonna sign them cuz he was playing well. What's his averages averages? He was averaging nine three rookie year four five eight one seven four two five Career average far to the right five point eight career. He wasn't getting buckets Well, if you look at the year he was averaging seven 45% of fuel goal percentage 3.5 56% I feel like he played in a I Thought he played longer than that

Yeah, but you see him in the playoffs like you go to the playoffs Yeah, I fall points like he wasn't the best on those teams, 13 minutes. So you could do something with that. Yeah, because you're not getting a lot of volumes about how the organization sees it is, this guy is a good piece. So you're not gonna get Garnett money, but you can get a million, two, three million.

So they was about to offer him a good deal. By the way, similar thing happened. Demarcus Cousins was gonna get paid. He was gonna get paid 120 million dollars That was a tough. It was incredible. Oh, he was ridiculous. Did you see what happened with the game? Can you put a video with the fight and what they did? I don't know if you got that video or not rob Why is the marcus cousins playing ball in puerto rico people love the game man. You got you can't play in the nba You try to go overseas. Yeah, you try to go to Israel. I love that. I try to go to Spain

I love that you try to go to Turkey. Yeah China, but those are not available. It's it's great It's such an innocent answer people freaking love the game. Yeah Can you play this something happened here? Yeah, you got to go to the different angle right here Yeah, Rob see if you can do the angle that shows Demarcus cousins walking towards the fan. I don't know if you can find that Yeah, no, no, no, you gotta go you gotta this is this is the tail is afterwards Anyway, so he has he has what happens with them at the game. Yeah, this is it right here Is it watch this a fan starts talking trash?

He says what? Flipping them off. Yeah, you can't do that. But you said yeah, we'd be flipping them off as a fan. This is where this is Puerto Rico Wow flipping them off. That's insane comes after him That isn't by the way. I don't know if I've seen fans stepping up and flipping off, you know Then they escort him out. That's when they start pouring beer all over his head Well, I was a big fan of this guy wanted to see him get paid I wanted to see him, you know, he had one point think he averaged a season 28 8 like he had a Killers incredible. Yeah, this part right here. Here's where it gets ugly

Now here's where it gets weird. Now he's trying to tackle them. You gotta take them out. But what is the line that's drawn between fans talking smack versus, no, you just crossed the line, dude. Now we got... Now you're talking about Europe. You're talking about out of America. This is, I mean, Puerto Rico is obviously, but you're talking about out of the mainland

where the rules are different. I was in Italy and They throw coins at you and batteries when you're going to Europe. This is normal This is like 30 years 40 years. They're like soccer fans in a basketball stadium, right? Exactly, but what do you think even in America? What do you think is crossing the line because we all know about smack talk. We talk talking trash you saw But at what point is like opera you say something about my mom. We're gonna have a problem here I think I think back at mama mama jokes across the line I got somebody told me my mama's a whore. I was at play. I

Was so males I was sitting here. I was in Detroit actually and they tried again. It was a But I was like, you know, this is normal. It's they had how the fans are. Yeah, your mom is a whore. I'm like what I'm so ready I mean by the way, you hear stories about Peyton talking about your wife and your girl you hear stories about Michael that birth some stories about Michael Yeah, there's some vicious stories about Michael some of these guys that's player to player though, right? Yeah, but I think they can take it out on the court I'm talking about a dude in the third row being like you I think that's I think just talking is okay. I think if you do I think racial slurs is like that's like too much Of course, but I think everything else like you suck, you know

I think that's okay, but I think I'm throwing stuff. That's of course Cross the line LeBron like approach a fan or try to get a fan. He did he got he's gotten multiple fans ejected They were saying something about like Westbrook did as well Westbrook did as well. But again Adam Yeah, there is touch me throw stuff stuff at me, from there on, bro. These are, again, I like to see the element. You go to UFC fight. Have you ever been to UFC fight? Yeah.

Okay, so you go to UFC fight. Dude, you know what they do at UFC fight? You know how crazy it is at UFC fight? It's just boom, boom, boom, you leave. Insanity, Energy is ridiculous. This got a little bit soft. I hope Ron says this thing's going to come back. I'm following this playoff season because finally it's just guys playing that just love

the game and they want to win their first chip. It's going to be exciting to see what happens. Last question before we wrap up. Toughest guy you played against that was feared by everyone during your era. Who was, and I'm not talking toughest guy like Skill Set. I'm talking like a gangster, tough guy, enforcer. You hear stuff about Vernon Maxwell in the 90s. You hear stuff about some of the other guys from the 80s. Who was it in your era where it's like, these guys were tough and our era I got

in 99 I became really cuz I know it was you but outside of myself I think Shaq Shaq Shaq is big but Shaq was also toughy I don't think he ever crossed the line but I think he also had that edge where if you crossed the line again Shaq He had crossed the line, too Remember his rookie season when he punched Alvin Robertson in the face, right? Yeah, and Adam Robertson is not a likely he had a quadruple double in in the 80s. I won't point out ironically enough I think that happened again in Detroit. That's it. Yeah, this is it. This is Orlando, but again Have you seen this? I seen this run. Yeah, this is it. This is Orlando, but again, have you seen this? I've seen this run.

Yeah, this is this is nice. I mean, watch it. So Lambeau's getting was like, look, get off of me. And then Alvin's like, that was too much. And so Shaq is like, it's okay. But then at the end, look what look what Alvin does at the end. Yeah, he like that's disrespectful. He's like, yeah, you're against Shaq. And then he didn't then he's ready to I think he was I don't know he must. Well, Pistons had double year was gotta be a tough guy for Al I was not backing down though.

Yeah. I was not backing down. It's like good for Alvin. Rob, do you know, you're going up against a guy by the way, you see Scott's right there. You know what the record is? Scottie was a record. You know what the record is? The assistant again, 31, 31 or 33. Still got it. Still got it. Wow. Is that not crazy? Can you validate that Rob? That the Scott right there and that was from 93 March 30th of 1999 Dude, that was when was Shaka rookie 92 or 90 90 I got his rookie card in 92 So this must be a second year. This is when Pistons were on their way down and the

Yeah Not Rodman though not Rodman though. Everybody else except for Rodman Rodman was something else. Yeah Rodman was something else Well meta it's been great having you on I listen when I reached out I sincerely wanted to talk to you and it was nothing else. It wasn't like business I just wanted to talk to you because all those years and it reminded me with the game we were out I'm like dude this guy literally Single-handedly if you lose to the Celtics, then you lose game seven that is so him and at home That was gonna be so embarrassing

But no Ron artist was in the arena brought it back and it was great to catch up with you and shout out to the Lakers The bus family, you know the front office the players, you know, we love the Lakers, the Buss family, the front office, the players, we love the Lakers. Los Angeles, we love y'all. And hopefully one of these, obviously Pacers got to do what they got to do. We can have to go to celebrate and I'm sure I'll see you. If you guys win the championship, I'm sure I'm going to see you on there celebrating with them, but then the other one we'll celebrate hopefully is that the Knicks are going to

give you a call. Yeah, that would be nice. We're waiting. My man, appreciate you brother. This was that'll be nice. We're waiting. My man, I appreciate you brother. This was great. Absolutely. Thank you.

Take care everybody. Bye bye. Hey, what's up? I'm Meta World Peace, the chairman of Artest Management Group, and now I am officially on my neck. I want you to reach out to me. I got a lot of things to offer, whether you wanted to chat about sports, basketball, on the business side, business development, consultation, brand strategy,

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