PBD Podcast - HEATED SIT DOWN with Sammy Gravano & Michael Franzese - Mafia States Of America

Episode Date: December 1, 2021

During an Emergency episode of the PBD Podcast, Patrick Bet-David sits down with Mario Aguilar, Michael Franzese, and Sammy "The Bull" Gravano. Subscribe to that PBD Podcast YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGX7nGXpz-CmO_Arg-cgJ7A --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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We go live and you'll hear from them. We've had a lot of anticipation for this project. Obviously, a lot of you have been asking about this. It started off with a smaller project originally, Marry. You remember when this whole conversation happened when a few years, though, shout out to Bill McIntosh. She made the first introduction to Michael and he said, you got to do this interview and then we had a year and a half and then the first

sound we went to Michael's house right after Jordan Bellforce has. If you remember that was on the Christmas time. Oh my God. It was December 23rd. I want to say and we went to Michael's house. We sat down in his living room, new port when we did the first interview. No shoes. We had no idea that no shoes was a big deal. A lot of people did not like that, but the fact that I had my shoes on, he did not.

Anyways, we did that interview. We had no idea what was gonna happen. We've never done a mob interview before. Obviously, there's been a lot of interest in the movie Godfather, Goodfellas, Donnie Brasco, Carl Follongo, these movies. So people always want to know what this life was like. But that was insight to know how Michael was making eight ten a week the kind of

businesses he was doing in New York and then we left the interview one live next you know it's on the cover of a homepage of World Star and everybody picked that I've got a million views three million views 10 million views then Sammy we had a meeting with Sammy we had a conversation with a multiple you remember the first time we met with Sammy It's an interesting experience for you. Sammy's a very animated individual. Yes, I remember the first time you met him And then we did Sammy's interview same story Both that things that 12 13 million views they both have hundreds of million views right now both successful YouTube channels Michael's running I think he's had a million sammies about to be at a million both of them doing very good for themselves

With their content the world wants to know know, how that life was like. So having said that, this will be the first time they'll be alive. And we have some big announcements with mafia states of America that you guys been anticipating. It's 10 episodes. The amount of time. Mari, how many people have been working on this project all this time? Doesn't people, since we launched a project, are they set? How many people were on this set? Almost 50 people. Almost 50 people working on this project all this time. Doesn't people, since we launched a project? On the set, how many people were on the set?

Almost 50 people. Almost 50 people working on the set. Half a million out of budget, Rudy Giuliani, Chaz Paul Mentari narrating, written and directed by Gerard Michael, who is on a flight right now to Jersey or also to be here with us. And then we have Michael and Sammy.

So having said that, I think if we're ready, David, you give us a green light. If you have them in the way, doing it, we're ready, David, you give us the green light if you have them in the way to England. We're ready to go if you're ready. So we're gonna wait on him to give us the green light and we'll get into it and we'll move on. I think the most rare thing about this project, Tom and you guys, the fact that there has never been

a sit down of this magnitude in the history of Mafia. You go on YouTube right now, and you type in greatest sit downs all the time. You're not gonna see this level of quality, this level of conversation This kind of a storyline and this is not a scripted thing. This is a real conversation a real life sit down with two of the most Interesting individuals we have them once we have them on right now. So Michael Sammy if you want to unmute yourself. How are you guys? Can you hear us?

Fantastic, I'm good to excellent Sammy Michael. Can you guys hear us? I'm good, Fabrik. Fantastic. I'm good too. Excellent. Sammy, Michael, can you guys hear us? I can hear you. I can hear you too. Okay, wonderful. Well, first of all, thank you guys for making a time to be on with us.

I know the audience has been anticipating this for a while. Obviously, when we had that sit down together, we were together for three days. I think nearly 30 hours of footage, which has now come to a completion of 10 episodes, of which there's behind the scenes. There's a lot of different things that the audience will be seeing.

But I kind of want to ask you guys a couple open-ended questions. How are you doing right now with in regards to this project being launched? How are you doing right now with in regards to this project being launched? How are you guys doing yourself? Maybe Michael, if you can tell us on your rent of your level of enthusiasm with this mafia states of America project. I'm doing great Patrick. I just want to get it underway. A lot of people are asking about it. You know, a lot of different comments and it's time we get it out there. You know, I'm very intrusive to see it happen.

Sammy, how about yourself? I guess yes. Waiting for it to come out. I've been waiting a while. It's a little awkward time right now, but I'm waiting for it to come out as well. Well, I remember when we had you on the podcast, you made it very clear when I said,

it may come out this year, it may come out next year. You had a very strategic way of making sure it came out this year, which is coming out in 2021 instead of next year. And we're pretty excited about launching it. But Michael, Sammy, for yourself, the market, you know, it seems so many people are anticipating this conversation between the two of you, specifically since we had so many different discussions from the life on your rent.

What are you at right now yourselves, no one at this phase of the season when this is being launched, meeting, has there been any conversations between the two of you about this project yourself? So, Sammy, what are you thinking right now? What's on your mind? Well, we did have conversations about it and I thought we were on the same page as far as trying to put this back together and solving our problems. I'm not sure if this did solve our

problems. Michael put out a video just not to low and I didn't like this fucking video. And I think we had some words. So, but we still did this. I don't want to interfere with the project. I don't want to destroy it or hurt it in any way. But I'm looking forward to it. I watched not all of the episodes,

but some of them looks like they're pretty well done. And there's some issues I have with some of the things and some of the conversations that me and Michael have. I think we'll straighten it out after this. Before it, I don't really care when, but so that's my opinion of it right now. Got it. So, you know, Michael, Sammy, maybe it's good for the audience to hear from you and when you first flew in and we came to the property and we had that one

meeting together in the room, it was myself, the two of you, I want to say, Kurt was there, I think Richie was, a few people were involved in that meeting that we had in that room next door. What was your expectation going in and then at the same time, what was your outcome at the end when you're left? Was it what you expected it to be when you left? What was your thoughts when you went in and when you love Michael yourself. Yeah, I didn't know what to expect. You know, Sam, and I have, you know, two different perceptions of this life, both before and after. And I knew that that was going to be some controversy

between us. And obviously it was Patrick, you were there. You know, I think we got hated at times because we do strongly disagree. But you know, all in all, look, we're two made guys. And at the end of the day, I think we knew how to conduct it ourselves. Even though things got heated at times, you know, it's kind of like a blast back to the past and you kind of remember the way things are supposed to go.

And I think in the end, they went that way. You know, how we feel about each other right now. I don't know, look, Sammy said something, he said, I didn't like. And maybe I said some things that he didn't like. And as a result, there's still some tension between us. But that's just the way it goes. You know, it's, you know, how it ultimately ends up

is really, you know, it depends on the two of us. And we'll see what happens. Yeah, well, Michael, it's not that, you know, the way it ended, I thought it ended good. I think it went well between us. And just recently you put out an interview video that I'm completely disturbed with. We had language back and forth with each other.

I think we know, let's not bullshit. So right now, I feel betrayed by you, by what you put out. What we did on this program was a beautiful thing. You're right. It was going to go in the full bloom again. It made me feel good about sitting with you. It may be changed my opinion of you. And I think it went very well. We did have

some heated times, but in result, it went like, goes in Austria. It's supposed to go. But what you did after that, that video really disturbed the shit out of me up until right now. I didn't even want to sit down on this video to tell you the truth. But I'm in this deep, I went in this far, and I'm not the type of guy who's gonna walk away and leave everybody dang with. So that's the way I feel from that video, but the mafia states of America, that situation and what Patrick did and what you did.

Yes, we do have tremendous differences of opinion along as it goes on as far as destroying families and all of that stuff. It did to some people, but not to other people. And when we talk about people who cooperated, which you did as well would would not be worth it. Just wanna really get into that right now. But, you know, to sit there and say, you know,

this is horrible when these people did it and they caught a break and all of this stuff. And belittling them and putting them down for another program that's gonna come out with John Gotti Jr. blew me away. And then the second thing you prayed for me, that's another thing that blew me away because I'm not a fool. I'm a street thug. I'm just as smart as you. Maybe you want to ask them to make my education a compare to your education, but I know when I'm being fucking oaky-doked or try to make me soft,

take it easy because of the video. It's not supposed to bother me anymore, but it does. And it made it, that was a guy sitting on the cake to me. So it made me real angry. Okay. Let me, let me, let me tell you this, let me make this very clear. I didn't betray you. I had no intent to betray you. I still don't even understand what you're so upset about. But whatever

you, you got upset and what I did afterwards to not make you upset for whatever reason you had, I took that little 10 second spot out of the video. That's number one. Number two, when it comes to the witness protection program, I'm sorry, Sammy. I have my thoughts on it. I've been to trial five times. I saw my father go to trial four times. I see guys lie and manipulate that program to stay out of prison. I'm not accusing you or anybody else. I'm accusing the people that I witness, that I saw it happen. And I'll take that to my grave. A lot of guys use the program to manipulate the government. It's easy to do it. It come up with bullshit stories to put somebody in jail that has a bigger name than that.

And that happens all the time. And you're smart enough on the street to know that that's the truth. And that's what I said. As far as John Gotti with his, with psych mafia, all I said was he's coming out with a show. It's called with psych mafia. That's it. I didn't say that. I don't know. Yes, I did. Let me call with you.

So let me finish. Let me respond to you. For video is up there, anybody can see it. The only part that was edited was the 10 seconds that I had about you. And all I said was, Sam, he was in the program. I didn't say anything else about it. The only part that was edited was the 10 seconds that I had about you and all I said was, Sammy was in the program. I didn't say anything else about it. So I didn't betray you, nor did I explain it. I got your point. Let me explain now. I let me finish. I let you finish. So again, yeah, you know, going back to what you said, I thought things

went kind of well. We had our differences. We still have our differences about it. Maybe we straightened it out. Obviously, maybe we didn't. You still have something in your mind. As far as a prayer that I sent to you, let me explain that. We were in church. My wife sat next to me. Okay, the pastor said, you know, pray for somebody that you think needs prayer today that needs to come to the Lord. My wife turned to me and said, let's pray for Sammy. And so we pray for you, and I sent you that. Had nothing to do with that video, because Sammy, contrary to what you believe, I don't need to soften you up for anything.

That was just ridiculous what you said. It made no sense whatsoever. If you don't, I'm done. I'm done. You're gonna call for fucking free out. Yeah, one second. If you don't accept my faith, that's up to you. I've heard that for 20 years, and it doesn't bother me. I don't accept for fucking free hours. Yeah, one second. If you don't accept my faith, that's up to you.

I've heard that for 20 years, and it doesn't bother me. I don't accept nothing you can't accept. I don't accept nothing you say. The problem is with some of the things I'll start with what you just said, which your father said, you said to me on the thing,

when you cooperate against not be Waltz, is that your father and Call my purse to go agreed with it No, I didn't say that. Oh, no, don't put words in my mouth What I said was very very simple and the truth and this is a matter of record So everybody can be asked about this whole nobi Walters things. It's a matter of record what I said was I knew exactly what I was doing. At the end of the day, Norby Waltz wasn't going to do one minute in jail, and he never did.

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He was supposed to do it. He was supposed to do it. He was supposed to do it. He was supposed to do it. He was supposed to do it. myself. You are. You want to never get a big deal out of Noobie Walters? Let's make a big deal. You crop weight against the fucking guy to make a family. You say he's a family. He was with your fucking father. Fever. You don't have a lake to stand on when he comes to that issue. Shut your fucking mouth. You walk this way. Stop covering for

yourself. Shut your fucking covering. Listen to me. It's a record. There's nothing I'm not covering that. Listen to me. I'm a public record. There's nothing I got. I'm a public record. I got some of that. I got some of that. I got some of that.

I got some of that. I got some of that. I got some of that. I got some of that. I got some of that. I got some of that. I got some of that. I got some of that.

I got some of that. I got some of that. I got some of that. What I said very simply. And I said at a thousand times and I'll say it again. Nobody went to jail because of anything I ever said to the government. You made that point. If you know, you made that point. Bring it up. That's the end.

You made your point. Bring it out. Because it doesn't exist. So you want to just get both. It does exist. What? You made that point. So there might be not be worth this.

Got going to bring it up for. What are you bringing it up for? When I bring it up, why would you put my fucking name in with John Gottidie Jr. and that huck in tape about people who cooperate? Watch the damn thing. I did watch the fucking thing. I was right.

I was wrong. And it was my name. You put my name in it. Well, you know what? I said to you, I was man enough to say to you if I put your name in it and it offended you, I apologize to you. You can't accept it because there was no intent wrong on that whatsoever. May I make, may I make one question? So Michael, you know, you've addressed your side of it.

Sammy, what's the, what's your biggest challenge with that? What was it that upsets you the most about what was said? I mean, he mentioned the name, you know, first of all, he likes to work with innuendos. The innuendo is that people who get convicted should never be released because they cooperated. That's the first fucking innuendo. Then he says, the proof is in the pudding that when they get released, they recommit.

Now, I cooperated. One, two, I did recommit. So when you put me with those group of guys, even though he only talked about me for a second or two or ten seconds and say, it's Sammy, he put me in that group. So the innuendo, I got 30, 40, 50 people who were friends of mine who called me or texted me or sent messages, why are you letting this fucking bum talk about you like that? When he cooperated with me, why are you letting? What are you gonna do? What do they mean? Why are you letting?

Because I don't talk, I don't talk the facts about you. That's why Jamie one if you want to talk about facts we can let out the facts. I mean I'm sitting in person. I will show you why you can't. But if you want to let me stop. Yes, I'm a fuck it is. Don't tell me stop. Well, I'll tell you stop. Stop. Okay, we don't need to go there. Whenever you want it doesn't need to go there. Whenever you want, it doesn't add it to me. It's not a hand. It's not an attitude. Where we go. I don't care where we go.

Wherever you want to go, we go. If you want to put out things like that and make an innuendo that I want to know, those fucking guys who never know. I'm telling you to your face, there was no innuendo. You took it that way. I don't know what's in your brain or what's in your head bother you that I'm talking about

non-exhaust and you testified why is that body you it doesn't bother me I've said it now talk about it I'll tell you about I should tell you about the case just tell the truth that's all you don't know the fucking I know the truth Sammy I see you don't have a fucking true. I know the truth Sammy You don't have a fucking clue what it is to tell the truth What it is Sammy you're talking to me stop the baloney, okay? You don't want to go there either when we talk about the truth Don't think that you're the guardian of the truth here, okay? I don't buckle from the truth. I tell the truth Whatever it is I don't know my Sammy truth. I tell the truth. Whatever it is, I don't close my eyes, Sammy. So do I. I got nothing to hide.

Not a thing. What is you? What are you about about it? God not be worth it. Why you bothered? You told the people on the on the program. I watched it and I watched that episode when you said what you can. I will. I did. Whatever I said there, I'm saying right now. Okay. I have a question. I have to ask you another question. You don't want to know something? You want bring it up for because you testified you said I never

I never put anybody away Exactly And no way got convicted. It's not bull. It's the truth Sammy. Oh Absolute truth. I'll say it again I've said it a thousand times and you bring proof different. Stop talking. I worry. Nobody video for me. Nobody ever went to jail because of anything I ever told the government. Can you say the same, Sammy? No. No. So don't give me your feedback. I know try to say the same. So I don't try to cover. I don't try to lie. I just wanted something. No, I just, I'll challenge you.

You tell me who I couldn't prison. Nobody says it. I just told you, no, Bob. You have no fucking ammunition to put anybody in prison. Oh, I mean it, yeah. You never broke a fucking egg. They had no,

they didn't give a fuck about you. Here you go again, trying to tell everybody you know everything. You don't know a damn thing about me, my life, or my family. Stop the belong. I never did.

I was on the fucking street. Who the fuck knew who you are? You were nothing to me. Really? The father had a name. The father had a fucking name. You named the name. You lived off your father's reputation.

And where did you live off of? Myself. I didn't have a father in the life. I had nobody in the life. I lived up for myself. Stopped a baloney, huh? Who the hell knew you either? And then stopped a baloney.

Who the fuck in the mob says stop the baloney? What kind of statement is that? Oh, now you want to act like a clown. What do you mean, it stopped a baloney? I'm an act like a clown. Stop the fucking baloney. No, I heard it from people who graduated from Hobbit. Stop the bone. I never heard that on a street. No,

I graduated from a Michael. Well, I just love you. You graduated. You got to nerve. Let me tell you something who had more damn respect on the street than my father and you got to nerve. I'm using your father. I don't use my father. I made my other name. You stop using Gotti. I made my own name. Who the hell knew you until this whole thing happened with Gotti? My friend, my friend. Gotti came to me for fucking help.

He was finished. He came to me. He was a fucking shriek. Sammy, you can be as everybody on YouTube. Get out of the way. No, no, no, no. He has a history. We're media's fucking government.

There's state, there's people in the street who know it. Yeah, right. Yeah. The good story, Sammy. It's a good story. It's all made up on YouTube. It's all made up. It's a story for everybody on YouTube, Sammy. No, see, here's your, here's your renew windows. When you talk, you say, you know, everybody who's in a street has to make their own.

No, when you end those, Sammy, I'm answering you straight out. Okay? You're gonna answer me straight out about what? About whatever you want. Anything you want. You just said I got none to do with the fucking thing with John. I mean, what the fuck, need a John Gotti?

John Gotti actually destroyed my fucking life and a lot of other people's lives. I needed him, like I needed a fucking 38 and a half. John got his a good scapegoat for everybody. I know because he's got a scapegoat. It's what he did. Please. You can't get away from what you did in history. You can't get away. Just like you can't get away. You got your father's name, period. Yeah.

We'll tell you some, Sammy Sammy what I did on the street I did you can keep using that BS. What did you do? We say it. Say it with the fuck you did what you do? What did you do? I did a lot. It's all out of what What did you do? Sammy? I'm involved in nineteen. What did you do? Free fucking off you. That's your badge of honor. Your of honor. You killed ninth, you put a gun in a fucking back of 19 guys. That's your badger of honor. No, why didn't you shoot 19 guys?

I'm involved in 19 murders. You see, Sammy? Yeah, yeah, I'm involved in three mafia watches that were in the middle of the movie. I've made an instruction business with unions. What'd you do with the fucking Fony bullshit with the guests and taking down performers with a fucking phony bullshit with the guest? I mean, she's taking down performers. Jamie, what's your father's name?

Phony? Your father? Jamie. Your fucking day. You didn't even try to shake down Michael Jackson. It didn't work. Oh, Sammy, you know what? Stop him.

Not yet. You're talking like a clown right now. I just got one. I got one. I got one. I got one question, Sammy. This is it. Sammy, if the audience is watching, our outcome was the way, you know, our outcome was to, you know, a lot of people ask me and they say, so Pat, what do you think?

This has led to with all these conversations. I said, number one, you know, if you look at the lifestyle and what's happened, you know both Michael and Sammy They're no longer part of the life both of them run businesses Michael runs successful businesses Sammy's doing very well for himself as well, which means that this was a way out this this worked out creating content Telling stories etc etc and you've gone to a different life now your grandparents parents to different phase You're no longer 20 studies when you're in the hunt want to go do that's a complete different life. Now, your grandparents, parents, it's a different phase. You're no longer 20, 30s when you and the hunt want to go, that's a complete different life you're living right now. And there is a sincere feel of you wanting

to make a transition into the next life. But Sammy, the question I have is, some of the audience that's listening to this right now, they see the frustration between the two of you, they still don't know what was, so Michael made a comment about your name being there. He says, Sammy, drops your name 11 seconds. He cuts it.

What part of that reference upset you though? What was that? Because I don't think fully the audience knows what frustrated with that comment. If you don't mind elaborating that, if you're comfortable with that. When you make fucking statements about people, about their cooperation, and why they shouldn't get out of prison, and you make statements that the proof is in the pudding. When they get out, they lie to the government, they turn around, and they

recommit crimes, and he mentions a couple couple of people including my name in that group. My name didn't have to be in that group. If that's what it's feeling, it's going to just said that. He didn't have to put my fucking name in the thing. That's number one. Number two, when you he cooperated and did certain things, it was was alright for him to cooperate against Narby Walters. What did he let the prison on out? He got convicted on the Michaels testimony. He got a 395,000 dollar fine. He got sentenced to prison. And the case was overtaken because the judge made a mistake on the case. Something that affected the law end of it, not Michael or his testimony or nothing, and the case was reversed.

He comes out of fucking prison, there was, there's interviews, people wanted to talk to him, he don't even wanna talk about Michael Frank, Jesus or his father, he hates them. So, and this guy here was a family friend of theirs. A family friend, they shook him down for money and then routed on him. And that's supposed to be okay.

So you could do that, but somebody else who has a problem in them, if they will be trade, or whatever the story is, you're gonna be the high priestess who tells them you're no good. You shouldn't get out. When he was able to get out, he had a 10-year sentence, a 10-year sentence that was reduced to three years of four months for his fucking testimony.

You were there when we talked about his $15 million fine, he never paid it. He says, well, I paid dribs and dribs, but I never paid it all. You can walk away from the fucking government and say, I'm not paid it. That don't work. That was probably done because he cooperated. Whatever his fine was, they probably nixed it. Whatever they did. I can prove that I can't say that, but those things don't just disappear. They're there. So without cooperation, you ain't just disappear. They're there.

So without cooperation, you ain't getting these things from the government. There's millions of people who went to prison. You can't get squat from the government when you're convicted. Nothing, whether it's a fine, whether it's the time, reductions, you've got to do something to get reductions. And there's tapes, there's agents saying, yeah,

the argument, the New York prosecutors were arguing with the Chicago prosecutors. They wanted him to cooperate against a common post-ego. He wouldn't do it or whatever that is. I don't doubt, maybe he didn't want to do it. I need it. But the Chicago people won out, they used them there and he got his favors, he cooperating.

Now, he didn't have murders. He never murdered anybody in his life from what I understand. That's what he'll say, I don't have cover for that. So I can't talk about it. It's another in UNDO. Making the people his people think, well, he did what he had to do to get in a life and you don't want to talk about it.

Why don't you just be truthful and say, I never killed anybody? Your follow is probably a lot of them who are Christians would say, that's good. He never killed anybody. But it just can't seem to tell the truth when it comes to these things. I don't know why.

I really don't. So that's why, and that's why he had a lot of guys on the street who he says they're no bodies, and he knows who they are. I don't want to mention their names, because I don't want to start a fucking revolution here. But they just badmout him all the time. Until I got into the picture, how could you do anything he tells me?

I got into the picture, I'm out of time. Until I got into the picture, how could you do anything? I got into the picture, I shut them all up. Michael ain't a bad guy, leave him alone. He lied, so he lied. There's no need for business. Leave him alone. John Gotti Jr. is not my fucking friend. He's gonna do this thing,

a wet-set mafia, and he's gonna do this thing, what's that mafia? And he's gonna badmouth people. Now, I'm gonna give you and your whole audience and Michael, guess who the fuck he's gonna hurt the most or come after the most. It'll probably be me. And he's gonna be graduating on his project. And there's a guy, another me guy,

right now, and everybody in his mother, which is insane. And I don't know why you would talk good about him. He met with the government. He's done as a fucking, continuing, fucking things that it's a complete joke. So now when he did that video, and the thing that bottom meet of most was that video and the thing that bottom me the most was That him and his wife and kids are in church and they're praying for me

He had a catastrophe haven't a week or two before Would a young boy it's not his fault He could pray for him Why do you want to pray for me? I'm not sick, I'm not dead, I'm not in jail. Why would you want to pray for me? So I took that little prayer you sent me as he's trying to soar from me up from this video. He knew I would explode at that video.

Because we're supposed to at this point be getting along. Then you put out this video video you tap him on the back Let me get back to John got it to you him himself. He's sitting in health magazine. He'll help men's health magazine stating that he is a crime fighter now He wants to put people in prison He wants to do stories about people who should have never got to prison. How hypocritical is this? And he wants to say, oh, he's doing a great job. This is your father who did 50 years. And it's a cooperator, but this is a guy

who's one once a put people in prison. He says it. he admits it publicly. It's in magazines. So I got to sit here and listen to this fucking bullshit. If to try my best to do the right thing with this show and have a relationship with him and put things in the past, a couple of days, what's more, is this fucking video. And I get 40, 50 fucking people calling me. I said, I don't know why he did it. And I'm sitting there like a jackass over and over again. Well, I don't know. I ain't a big guy.

He, I don't know why he did it. I don't even know what the fuck to say to people. And then this emergency meeting comes up with being a Michael. I don't want to hurt the project. I don't want to hurt not and I didn't want to be here. You know it. But I said I'll be here. And then we exploded just now at a charter. I don't know what it does to the project. I hope it don't hurt it. I don't know what it does. And I don't really care. Same.

It's not to be. Can I respond to this? Please sure. Go for it. Can I respond to this? First of all, first of all, I don't know who these 40 or 50 people are at number one. Number two, number two, again, I didn't say anything

positive about, Sammy says I do in your endos. He makes things up. I didn't say anything positive about Sammy says I do in your endos. He makes things up. I didn't say anything positive about John Gotti. I mentioned a public fact that John Gotti is coming out with something called the Whitsack Mafia. I told Sammy this, I never met John Gotti. I never spoke to John Gotti Jr. Talking about Jr.

I have no relationship with him whatsoever. I've never communicated with him other than one time with his lawyer 12 years ago. That was it. That's number one. So I don't even know what he's upset about with that. I have no relationship. And I told Sammy that. That's the God's honor. He told him to do a great job. Let me finish. I didn't say he's doing a great job. Let me finish. Okay. That's number one. When it comes to Norby Walters, Sammy seems to claim to know everything about everything. Norby Walters, his the facts with Norby Walters, three times, three times I saved his life. Once from Korki, Vastola, once from Carmine Perciklo, and and once from my father because he was using our name never paid us any money he never got shook down he used us for 30 years and that's

the reason he was in trouble in the stage delicatessen okay I saved his life when my father came home from prison and wanted a herd of I can say that now because my father's gone I think I said it before that's number So, when this situation came up with Norby Walters and I was subpoenaed number one first, they subpoenaed my father and they subpoenaed my younger brother. And when I told them, I said, look, I'll tell you the truth about Norby. Okay, when I get put on the stand, let my father and brother alone. They did. And when I got on the stand,

you could look at the testimony, it's public record. What it said on the stand is, I don't know who Nobby has shaken down. I've been in prison. I don't know, I gave him 275,000 to be involved in this deal. I got involved because I wanted to meet at the bleach for my gambling situation.

That's exactly what I told him. Yeah, Nobby got convicted. And you exactly what I told them. Yeah, no big guy convicted and you know what? He had 25 people testify against about the actual facts that happened in the case. So if you want to talk facts, don't just blow it off, talk facts, get the damn testimony, look at the trial, don't be like written house like everybody had them convicted until the evidence comes out in the trial and the poor kid got you know persecuted for no reason. I said talk facts. That's someone is part of number two. What I did on the street you have a knowledge of Sammy don't claim to know everything about everybody else's business. What I did

with Persego, all my father or anybody else who I killed or didn't kill you have no knowledge of so trust up trying to make people think you know everything about everything because you don't all right let me finish I did not interrupt you I did not interrupt you I got that's a more number two I'm telling you this right now you can knock my faith like you've been doing in almost every interview that you keep going back I told you Excuse me. I'm going back to you Christian We're talking about the mafia

Existing this you brought it up you brought it up just you You brought it up about the prayer. What's him out of you can't have a response? You brought it up about the prayer. What's the matter? You can't have a response. No, you can have a response. You're not the day of the watching. You're not the day of the watching. No, when you bring something up,

you're entitled to a response. Yeah, you said it nine times a day. No, you said it again. You said it again. I said, you brought it up. For me, for no reason, when you have somebody dying in your house, there's a reason to play for him. Pray for him every day, he's already in heaven.

Well, just don't even play for me. You don't even have to fucking bullshit with this. I said to you, I said to you, you know, you stop your BS, take the text and put it up on the screen. If you wanna be a big shot, put it up on the screen exactly what I say. Let me ask him a question. No. Let me ask him a question.

No, let me ask him a question. Let me ask him. No, I don't want to stay a one thing at a time. No, I want to stay a one thing at a time. You don't give anything. Yeah, I want to say something. How did you get that break? How did they go from 10 years?

That's three fucking years in prison. First of all, first of all, excuse me, don't lie. I did eight years on the 10. Eight years. Stop with your BS 3.4, I did eight years. It's a matter of record. Look up the BOP records. Stop with your balloons. Stop with your baloney. I did 48 years, 29 months and seven days in solitary because I wouldn't cooperate. So stop the baloney. Stop trying to cover your own self by putting a blame elsewhere, Sammy.

Stop. I don't do that to you and you don't need to do that to me. What I did is a matter of public record, the same as you. And I don't care who looks at it. Yeah, it is a matter of public record. And I don't care who looks at it.

I don't care who looks at it. That you went and cooperated against Navi Walsh. And you want to say, you went there and saved him. I just, I didn't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that.

I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that.

I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. I can't see that. fucking testifying. Do you have any idea what you're talking about? No, yeah, I know.

Do you? I know exactly what I'm talking about. You went to testify in a case. What did you do? Go to help him? Did you hear what I just said? I'm not thinking of anything. I was subpoenaed and I told the truth.

I'm subpoenaed. Where were gangsters? It's a speedy. It don't mean nothing. You don't go. Sammy, tell my refuse to answer. Let me see. You're going being nothing. You don't go. Sammy, when you're telling me to refuse to answer, when is your brother going to stand? Oh, you don't go?

Who the hell are you? What do you mean you don't go? You went how many times? I'm talking about. I cooperated. I never went before. Sammy. I never sat with the government before.

Why did you have to? Only when I cooperated. Only when you had, yeah, of course. Why else would you sit down there? You don't go on a surprise. Sammy. Yeah. That's so fucking legit. I said, it's legitimate. Let me make this. I got to go. Sammy, you can paint this any color that you want. Here's the facts. I testified in the

Nobi Walters page. Go look up your damn YouTube. I said it 20 times. Okay. And all I ever said, and I'll take this to my grave, and you can do all your bullshit research that you want. Nobody went to prison because of anything I ever said, I made sure that. Can you say the same? Are you? Right, I know exactly what I'm talking about, because I lived it, not you. You can pretend to live it. You can pretend to know everything,

but that's all I can do. I think you want to fuck a mind. You. What? I think we're losing Sammy's signal. Do you want to call Sammy on the phone so we can get him on the audio? I'm gonna text that.

Michael, let me ask you, did the from that moment of the video and your text exchange that you're saying you'd be willing to share it? Did you guys have a phone call together or there's not been a phone call or a zoom together? It just been text. As soon as he sent me the text, I said, Sammy, I didn't mean to offend you.

I'll take it down. I looked at it again. I talked to Kirk. We had our team take it off because it was nothing. He got his feelings hurt for not all he had to do is say to me, what did you do that? Oh, does it, Sammy? You know what? If it hurt, I'm sorry.

I want to take it out, which I did immediately. Immediately, what all this prayer, bullying, innuendo. I don't know what the hell he's talking about. It's all figment of his imagination. I took it down. It was, you know what? I'll tell you the truth. I'll tell you honest, I am.

My wife said, you know what, Michael? I can understand how Sam, he got offended. I said, okay, I didn't get it. You know what? And I'm sorry, I'm not making excuses. We just had a kid die in my house. Maybe I wasn't thinking right. I don't know But it certainly wasn't to offend him in any way and I don't have to soften him up I don't know what he's talking about send him something and what happened in church Patrick you will understand this

Yeah, I don't have to pray for somebody Maybe it's what your wife told you. It's maybe what your wife told you, Michael, what you fucking just did is not right. Your wife told you, Sammy, don't inject again. How many other people gotta tell you? Excuse me, don't, it was wrong. Don't inject it again, Sammy.

My wife told me days afterwards when I mentioned it to her. Okay, I said, Sammy, got upset. Whatever you said it, your wife told you, it was wrong. It was not a good thing. So stop the bullshit. Let me tell you something. If you're not, you know, stop your baloney, Sammy.

I was man enough to apologize to you and said, it wasn't meant intentionally to betray you, you use your words or anything else. And I immediately took it down. So you could say whatever you want. As soon as I knew that, I took it down, I said, I apologize, I didn't mean it. I don't have to soften you up. If it was a mistake, it was a mistake.

But there was nothing said about you. I didn't compare you. I went into great detail about the witnesses that testified against my father look at the video again I did I did and I don't even know who those guys were and I don't care about those guys The innuendo is that everybody should not get a fucking break because they cooperate They should not get a fucking break because they cooperate. They should. It wasn't me. Sammy, can I say it? Oh shit, the government.

Well, now you fucking crusader who wants to put everybody in prison. And then you say, they come out and they recommit. I'm talking about your bill. What do you mean by that? Sammy, can I, can I, can I make one recommendation? I apologize a hundred more times. Can I make a, you can make it out.

If I can make it. Yeah, let me make one recommendation. Sammy, if we, Sammy, if we can, if we can have you, Mario's calling your phone. If you get the phone because it's choppy with your service, Michael's service is good. Yours is a little choppy. If you get the phone, because it's choppy with your service, Michael's service is good, yours is a little choppy. If you have the phone next to you, I'm gonna put it here,

you will hear what Michael has to say, and we will hear what you have to say. I don't have the phone, Patrick, I do not have the phone next to me. I got it on airplane, or whatever the fuck it is to shut it up. And I'm not interested in here and what he has to say

and i'm not even interested in going on and making this i'm trying to get tired of this fucking thing well that i'm tired of the two of patrick okay listen if you if you say me if you do long do want to keep this up

that we got to hear each other we got my mind i have one ask for you guys i just have one ask i have one ask for if you can want to keep this up, now we got to hear each other, we got to... I have one ask for you guys. I just have one ask. I have one ask for you. If you can hear me, you would consider listening to me. I just got one ask for you. That's why if we can't get a phone, I don't know who's out there, Sammy with you.

If you can get a phone, so you can hear me better. Who's ever phone it is. And I'll reach you out here. I got a task job. Can you have Richie call Mario? How Richie call Mario? How Richie call Mario? How Richie call Mario if you don't mind? I just got one question for you. I got I'm gonna ask I got one question

Yeah, because we can't hear you back. No, we can't hear you back. You're sounding choppy and people can't hear you If you're open to it, I got one question so Richie Okay, Richie if you can call Mario Call Mario Richie. Okay, fantastic. Mario's gonna bring the phone in. I've got one question for you guys. And I want to make sure this is clear when I ask you. Because for me, listen, we're not doing this to create a war.

We're not trying to create a fourth war here or anything like that. And you know, the audience, they're not from the world. This is obviously not gonna go in that direction, but I do have one ask. If you got Richie, okay, Richie, if you don't mind handing the phone to Sammy, that'd be great. Okay, if you got it, if you wanna put it in,

all right, let's see if we can hear better. Can we hear, Richie, can you say something? Yeah, could you hand me? Okay, much better. So if you wanna now mute Sammy here, so we just hear Sammy through phone, that to hear me. Okay, much better. So if you want to now mute Sammy here, so we just hear Sammy through phone, that'd be great. If you want to mute him on the Zoom, there you go. Okay, Sammy, can you hear me?

Yeah. Okay, fantastic. Let me put it up here. Audience, if you can hear, just comment below that you can hear it. So Michael, can you hear me as well? Yeah, I can hear you. Okay, so I got a question for you guys. So I was sitting down one time with Stem and a hand.

As long as Sammy can hear. Okay, so so Michael, you know who Steven A Smith is. Sammy, you may know who's yeah, Steven A Smith. He's the ESPN guy and and and you know, one day I'm sitting down with him in New York and I don't know if it's Connecticut or New York and it was we're in New York sitting down talking to him. And I said, Steve and Apes, a lot of these guys are your friends, like meaning in the sports world. And you come on and all of a sudden you go after Durant, you go after Shaq, you go after whoever, but these are your buddies, these are your friends.

What do you do with that? I'll never forget what he said. He says, you know what I do? It's a great question you ask. I whisper to them and I say, Hey, here's what I'm going to say to you tomorrow. I just want you know, I have to do my job and I have to do this. You may want to skip tomorrow or, you know, communicate with this tomorrow. Do you think for the two of you guys that are the premier YouTube channels that are creating content for this world? Do

you think it may be a good idea for the two of you guys to communicate if at any time contents being made that the other person's name is being mentioned? You think that could solve something like this moving forward? I may be wrong, I'm just asking, speculating whether that would help because look, we'd like to see you guys being on better mode and going in this place.

We'd rather see you guys having a better relationship. Michael, maybe I can start off with you. Do you think in the future, if you're ever gonna do an episode, if you just say, hey, Sammy, I'm thinking about doing an episode you're cool with this or something like that, or would that not make a difference? Patrick, let me end it like this. I don't hear.

I'm upset. I don't need to turn out. Because I will say this, regardless of what he thinks, or what he's heard, I did not do that intentionally to betray him or Heard him or make any innuendo in any way whatsoever. That's the truth. I came out of that Sit down that we had actually liking and respecting Sammy and I happened to really like and loved his son Gerard I would never have done this to betray him or heard him in any way. Never, okay? And the fact that he did it, I, the fact that I did it, I apologize, it wasn't meant to be done.

I'm very upset that we've had these words because we shouldn't have had them. And you know what, if you would have called me up and just said, you know what, what the hell would you do? Maybe I wasn't thinking right, we had a kid die in our house. You know, it's been a real bad thing in our family for the past couple of weeks. But maybe I would have said, you know what, Sam, I don't know what the hell I was thinking, I'm sorry. I apologized anyway. So the bottom line is, I don't know.

I don't know where his head is at. I'm a Christian, regardless what he believes. I am upset that I lost it here a little bit, but it's just my frame of mind right now I apologize to you Patrick for you know forgetting off a little bit I normally don't do this you know that I'm a pretty calm guy but you know look my door is open my door is open I'm not I'm not trying to make enemies whatever Sammy wants to do and mean that. We've said some bad words that shouldn't have been said just now. They really shouldn't have been, but it is what it is.

And I don't know where we go from here, but yeah, I'm open. Sammy? Sammy, can you hear me? Sammy, can you hear me? Yes, I could hear that. OK. I heard him most of it. I think, I think what he's saying is he's saying that he's open to. I know exactly what he's saying.

Okay. I know exactly what he's saying. And I'm not really a person who carries grudges. I'm explosive in my personality and things I do. I'm dedicated to what I do. I'm dedicated to friendship. I'm dedicated to things. I've been betrayed a few times in my life and I own like it. Betrayal just sets me on fucking fire. But he said now, listen, I feel the same way. When we got done with mafia states of America, I actually felt better about him and knowing him. He knows it. I spoke to people who really don't know him and they were bad mounted in my tone.

Let's shut them out. Leave the guy alone. And he knows that. All of that stuff. As far as this Christianity could have it do whatever he wants with it, I know a lot of people who believe in things. I believe in God myself. I believe in religions have different paths to God. You don't have to be a Christian.

You could be anything, an Indian, a Jew. You could be anything you want to be. You believe in God. So I believe in God as well. But I don't use him upfront and I don't use his name and I don't do all that stuff. And I get mad at something that says about Christianity. It's like the throwing these things in my face. I apologize for that.

What he does right now is, is an apology. I accept. I apologize. Things I just said. And I really don't want to hurt him in any way. I don't mean physically. I mean in any of the things. Of course. There's nothing I want to do to hurt him. There's no reason for that for me. You know, and he knows certain things, some of the things you said. You know, and he knows certain things some of the things you said You know if he knew that was not right me if he was life was wise enough to know She's not a good guy. So she's not a street guy The wife was wise enough with it was one day three days. Well, but this is gonna offend this guy

Now if I do videos my son is around my son He talked good about my son my son thinks the world My son he talked good about my son my son thinks the world. He's not here with me right now because he had a feeling that this thing would blow up and even more Seattle here Because it likes me So how it's gonna go in the future. I really don't know but I'm not mad. I don't have a bet I'm not mad at all and anyway they perform towards them. I don't know about going forward. I don't know if we would do business. I have no idea. You know, I don't really want to hurt them in any way

they perform. And you know, Sammy, I appreciate you saying that. Well, you know, having been around you guys for so many hours, and we've spent a lot of time together, both Michael and yourself, interviews, conversations, I've seen you upset, I've seen you this, you know, in different levels. Here's a couple of things that's very random about these, the, the, where you guys were in where you are today. Michael, the way I judge is, you know, his kids love him.

They're around him, you know, his wife, they're together. We had dinner at, I don't know where we were at, Casa de Angelo, wherever we were having dinner or not even Casa de Angelo. I think it was shooters when you guys were, it was your first day, 37 years ago. I don't know what the time you said to me, Michael, when you guys had dinner together, you know, being married together for three plus decades.

There's gotta be value there, right? And having stayed clean for all these many years, there's respect for that. And as Sammy, for you and I see how Gerard is, how your kids are with you, you know, there's love there with the family. So there's good things being done on both sides and both have decided to move on. I don't hate you, okay? Yeah, my, it would be from my and my only suggestion. I'm hearing you. So Rich, if you can figure right away where

he can hear me, I want, I want Sammy to hear this last part. Okay, Michael, Sammy, if he can hear me, I'll go. If you can hear me now, to hear this last part. Okay, Michael, if Samy can hear me, I'll go, if you can hear me now, looks like service got better. Okay, you know, the only thing I would say is, this is my biggest suggestion. Look, I'm gonna do better if you guys wanna go to war. Like, that's not my outcome. I'm not doing this to make, hey, you know,

come on, let's pin them against each other. This is how we're gonna make more money. That's not my outcome of doing this. I run businesses and, you know, this was a story that the world wanted to see, money. That's not my outcome of doing this. I run businesses and you know, this was a story that the world wanted to see, the world wanted to see to two of you guys sitting on having a conversation together. And the audience is going to win

because they're going to hear both of you sitting down for 10 hours together for these episodes. My biggest suggestion is if there's ever something being said or content being created about opposing side, I would process it with each other. Both of you guys are heavy weights. Both of you guys are names. Both of you guys are known in the marketplace.

You're, it's no longer, you're now public. You know, this is a pretty private life you're accustomed to being. You're public now. People follow your story. Sammy, you run a very successful podcast. Michael, you run a very successful, you know, YouTube channel that you have with your shows

and then the restaurants and all the other things that you guys do. My recommendation would be to have that communication together. Anyways, Sammy, Michael channel that you have with your shows and then the restaurants and all the other things that you guys do, my recommendation would be to have that communication together. Anyways, Sammy, Michael, thank you guys for coming on and agreeing to do this. I do know both of you guys at one point were a little bit uncomfortable.

You were not open for wanting to do this. I'm glad we were able to make this work today, day before Thanksgiving. Appreciate you guys for being on. I'm gonna make a couple announcements to the audience right now while they're listening to the fact that mafia states of America is going to be coming out. December 3rd will be the first day you can binge watch

10 episodes narrated by Chas Paul Mentari, Rudy Giuliani's in there with a couple of the episodes, Michael, Sammy, myself. There's a lot of things that was discussed. If you've ever wanted to get the insight from both of them, sitting face to face, having a conversation to get a high quality content, December 3rd, it'll go out. And for folks that are asking about the cost, at this point in the game, everybody knows what the cost ended up being

nearly half a million dollars for a budget of this that we put together. You can purchase the course, not the course, you can purchase the entire episode pre-order it today on Mafia States of America. I think it's $39.99 to order the whole 10 things. Guys, a price point for us, they were saying paper view is $69.89, we agreed at the number of $9.99. You can go there and pre-order the whole thing. And for some of you guys, that's saying,

I wanna see an episode we got, I think two out of the 30 chapters are there for you to watch for free you can go watch it for yourself and meanwhile pre-order because I'm sure there's going to be commentary about this all over the world when this is going to be released so once again go to mafia states of America we're going to put the link below above description anywhere for you to go see it. So having said that, Michael, Sammy, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate you guys. I will follow up with you guys. Thank you.

Thank you. Thanks guys. Mario, final thoughts. What are you thinking right now? Final thoughts for me is I'd absolutely go and make sure I also connect with not only Moffice states of America, dot com pre order, what we have out there, but I'd also go connect with Sammy Michael and just give them their opinions on,

you know how they felt about this conversation and you feedback go communicable to Michael, communicate with Sammy and make sure connect with them as the audience as well. Fantastic folks, we tried very hard. This has been a project, this has been in the works for three years now. It's been conversation's long time.

We've been working on making this happen, we are glad it finally happened. I'm kind of glad this ended on a good note, to be honest with you, that was my biggest thing, the fact that it ended on a good note, because I like when they communicate, the world learns more when they're communicating together, it's a better community when that happens,

because during the sit down, there was a lot of heated moments, let's not dispute that, there was a lot of heat in the moment. There was some of that right now, so. We saw some right now but there's a there's a lot more that of 10 hours of content on the sit down a lot of depth a lot of storyline a lot of the then and now a lot of topics even current topics even some some conversations that don't really make a great boss today correct you know when I showed the video of when Michael was on Mike Tyson and you know there was a dispute and Sammy responded responded to what comments michael made about sami nipple you know this other stuff they were open to any of the

discussions that we have uh... whether it was you know uh... the wars you know whether it was you know different stories and characters that we brought up it's pretty deep uh... and for folks who are interested in this topic i can't wait for them to see that i think for think for the years that you've been doing mafia conversations, mafia interviews, sit downs and all of these stories from sitting down with the caladas and the tallies and all the Michael and Sammy,

this whole, I think it's important to remember that you've never tried to glamorize a life. You're not trying to bring more attention on look at how cool it is. You're not trying to glamorize. You're trying to bring awareness to the history and you're trying to create a little bit of that storyline, but also bring something that's not done in movies. Yeah movies are movies. This is a real conversation It's a great point you make look for me. You know everybody wants to learn the ten keys to success

I want to learn the ten keys to mistakes you can make to ruin your personal life Exactly. Kids, family, finance, dollars, help That's what I'm interested in because we all know what we need to do. The right things. What are the wrong things to do? So we don't do them. Sometimes we don't go for the insurance. Yeah. As somebody is going out and pre-ordering watching this, maybe experiencing the first 20 minutes or you know what we're going to watch today. Yeah. And then online of the other, maybe go back and watch the Michael interview, the Samu interview, the fresh and up on your content. What do you want people to take away from mafia states of America that maybe is not on the website, not being promoted?

What do you want the audience to get? Listen, I will tell you, you know, every family has disputes, every sports team business. There's typically a couple strong personalities that don't want to have anything to do with each other. When you get personalities like this, that sit with each other who learns, you learn.

You say, you know what, if they can get together, maybe me and my, you know, a brother that haven't spoken for three years, maybe we need to have a conversation. Maybe my friend and I that have an eight years following that, I like the fact that we are more united. Having lived in a time like this in America where we're so divided, it's good to see people who are agreeing to sit down because today,

nobody wants to see the opposite side. Everybody wants you to sit down with people that they agree. This is not an easy thing to do. Neither one of them had to agree to do some like this. The fact that they set them to do this, it wasn't easy. No, this wasn't easy. It was pretty uncomfortable at about 45 minutes.

It was uncomfortable. But again, I applaud them for having agreed to do this, folks. I hope you enjoyed this. I can't wait for you to binge watch this. I want to hear all about it when you do the commentary. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of YouTube videos right now being made about today's exchange between Michael and Sammy and whoever sent you here to see this.

You heard it from both of them on how this ended. So I want to give a shout out to the entire crew that was a part of the set, whether you were with us on the shoot or you've been working on the project. There was so many people that I want to give a lot of love and credit to behind the scenes. Give some names. Yeah, we got Rose who's leading the editor.

We got Rose, we got Eric David, we have Paul, we have Nancy on the design, we have Ted working on site, we have Gerard. Big organization that we're going to be. Everybody that's on the team, I don't want to forget names, but so many people, Kai, Sammy, the Tire by Taymond audience. Shhh, Terry with his cast, thank you. Thank you. Rudy, and we also have Maria who helped us facilitate that.

Because so many people, you'll see the credits but again you're gonna get a glimpse and a flavor for everybody who was asking and look Pat a lot of people were talking shit about what are you doing what is it coming out what is it coming out we get it we want to deliver a great product that we do not have asked anything about it but we wanted to give a great product for the last few weeks sorry what time have people been going home be us and be three four five o'clock in the morning David what time have people been going home be us and be three four five o'clock in the morning? David what time have people been going home here the last few years for a clock? No, Joe all night all night just to perfect this project guys Yeah, just the color and took us one week because we could have released this earlier the coloring wasn't at the levels that we wanted

Our guys made us such a great anyways. I can't wait for you guys to see it. We're excited about this We we are very excited for you guys to go out there and enjoy this. Again, December 30th, put it in your calendar. Watch it with your family and friends. I suggest you guys going out there, send them with 5, 10, 15 different people. Use the hashtag on Twitter, on Instagram. Mafia States of America, there will be commentaries. People are talking about this.

Go once again to mafiastates.com. Once again, mafiast stock mafia states of America dot com once again mafia states America dot com pre-order 3999 and if you want to watch a free chapter or two that'll be on mafia states America dot com as well Okay, thanks folks. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. Enjoy the turkey tomorrow. Have Thanksgiving. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye you you