PBD Podcast - How's Your Social Credit Score? | PBD Podcast | EP 78

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

In episode 78 of the PBD Podcast, Patrick Bet-David sits down with Adam Sosnick and Gerard Michaels talk about topics ranging from the Olympics, JPMorgan, the NFL, and much more!  Watch the full podcast: https://youtu.be/wNH_X3hDLZ4 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I just want to say that's a compliment. Well, he's got a great haircut. Well, now he's, he's, he looks better. He's got the new haircut. I don't know what you call that a vanilla ice haircut or Hollywood haircut, but he's got a good haircut. Yeah, okay. By the way, what you guys hear about is Simone Bowles?

Oh, yeah. Aren't you going to take it off the Olympics? Yeah, just now like 30 minutes ago, an hour good and a little. What's going on? Injury? No, no, no, anxieties. An anxiety. Mental, mental pressure, mental anxieties.

It's real out there. Was this comment 10 years ago, 12 years ago on the Olympics? It was anxiety, depression. I had anxiety and depression when I played, but we just drank it away. I'm actually being serious. I'm by and being serious.

I am an alcohol being literally self-medicated. That's why there's so many. I don't know. I think that, look, media scrutiny is different. It's just different. I've never had media scrutiny at this level that the world is in. Well, more than media scrutiny is all the commentary that comes with the media scrutiny.

If you're reading the comments, I can get ugly. I learned the hard way. Read the comments. I will tell the value. The good or the bad? The good or the bad? The good or the bad? The good or the bad? The good or the bad. The good tell the value to the value tanners I will have the value tanners. I will say are very interesting at least in the comments. They're very funny I do whether they whether they like me or they don't they're very funny in the comments The commentary actually is like there's some actually

So much it's not really okay on value taming economics. I do a lot of like Say On your post yesterday I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited.

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I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm gonna I'm gonna give somebody a job and the first thing is like you're not paying enough screw you This and that and this woman comes in it was like I would never work for you

He's in the comments. Yes It was unbelievable. He's like I don't think you really fit the culture And you're looking you you look at her profile and it was perfect. It was perfect. It was like She was basically like in Tifa Jane man it was like, I could just imagine her in this office place. So it was two job postings for bookers, $60,000. I heard a plus bonus, plus four, 1K plus benefits, right? Can I apply?

We're willing to pay relocation fee to here. So this guy from Dubai says, it's pathetic why are you paying him this much. So what I do is I go to salary.com, Zippercrooter, and different website that tell you what a talent booker's salary is in South Florida. It's 42,000 or 58,000. I put 60,000 products bonus.

So I comment back, I said, you have a minute booker before. Do you know what a booker gets paid? And these guys go back and forth. Anyways, the point is, you know, one, I enjoy trolls. I have fun with them to me. It doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is the fact that, you know, you're seeing today with Olympics, the amount of pressure that, you know, I'm trying to see if this is real pressure that athletes have on anxiety, how to deal with it, is it? Hey, if you're doing that as well, I'm also going to do it since you can also step out and not want to compete, then I'm going to do it because even the girl from Japan, the tennis player,

lost yesterday. I don't know if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Osaka's out. Well, she, what, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she,

she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, She doesn't want to talk to the media. And all these things. Is this a, is this something where sports has to take seriously to give? Because she proposed giving days off.

Like here's the amount of days I could have from media. Is that something sports should consider? Hey, I got five days off today. I don't want to talk to the media about it. Okay. So I have two feelings on this. Two feelings that I feel pretty strong. They both involve alcohol.

No, but one of the, yeah. The first one is, man, that whenever you're doing any sort of athletics, right? And I can only imagine the in the Olympics specifically, where you're where it's four years of training for this one moment, it's all this pent up aggression. Most of sports, and this is when I was playing, this is what people don't understand. Like most of it sucks. Most of it's not fun. They see you out there and you're hitting the ball and you're running, you're having fun and you're pimping homeruns and you're like, this is fun, man.

Those three hours are the most fun hours that you can have. Those hours under the lights are amazing. But everything leading up to that sucks. It really does, man. The practice, the protocol's depending on like how strict the team in the organization is. Like you feel like you have no personal autonomy at all. And you've given so much of your life to this dream.

You've missed birthdays, you've missed weddings, you've been away from your family, you go across the world, like you literally give everything up, give up relationships, you give everything up for this. It's, it's all there. But you got to kind of find your why. So for a lot of us, it's like, I love my family. I've had the chance for generational wealth. Like I'm gonna do something for my family now with the Olympics.

Like it was the love of country. It was, I'm gonna represent my people back home. I'm gonna represent, I'm standing up for something. I don't know if that love of country is still there. I didn't think that's a major factor. In this moment, what do you mean? I think it's just the, you wanna achieve great success. Can you pull up the Twitter post that post that I put with the land?

What I'm saying is that when you, when you're in an individual level, I can tell you the biggest difference between college baseball for me and my early baseball was I gave a shit whether my team won in college. I loved my teammates and I cared if we won. And then the my leagues I didn't. Matter of fact, all I wanted to do

was go do a different team. I just wanted to move up. I wanted to do well enough that I could leave these guys behind. You know what I'm saying? So I think when you individualize your sports so much, you end up taking all of the negative too much on you because you're not able to relish in the team victory.

You're not able to relish in what we are doing as a group. The Wii is definitely bigger than the me when it comes to. So, so the other day sports and opposed to some July 25th on Twitter. France hands the US men's basketball team. Their first loss in the Olympics is 2004 snapping their 25 game Olympic winning streak. Even for Nier led the way with 28 points in win Tokyo 2020, right? Okay, even though it's 2021 was 2021 anyways at the top I put there are two ways U.S. basketball team can motivate themselves to win number one is

love of the game number two is love of their country there's a there is where someone on the team this is where someone on the team has to bring up the pride of representing the great country the greatest country in the world this only works if they actually believe it now go above to the tweet above it go right above it and see what's right above it. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going right there. Luca Donage went off for 48 points in his Olympic debut. Donage and Slovenia defeat Argentina 118 to 100 and the country's first ever Olympic men's basketball game. When asked what would it mean

more, what would mean more to him? Winning an NBA championship or gold medal for his country, his gold medal for his country. He said the gold medal for his country, his gold medal for his country. He said the gold medal for his country, right? So because he's got a love and pride for his country. Look, it's very hard if you're coming off of 2020 with COVID and everything took place. And what are you fighting for? What does a gold medal really mean?

Now they're talking about, hey, you're gonna have to pay this much taxes because it's gold and you're coming back. And everything is diminishing the value of winning for your country. Go to the metal leaders. Go to the metal leader right now. I think US is at 22.

I think US and China are making China's at 21. Yeah, China's trying to make a point here. Kai, you just have to put metal count 2020 Olympics. You're writing a paragraph. Oh my God. Buddy, just go back and I'm telling you, just write metal count US Olympics metal count US. That's it. This is how far he has to go to the

metal for Norway. Should be all the way at the top. There you go. Okay. So we got what oh Japan's got the most gold. They just passed them up right now by the way. As a 30 United States. No number one over 24. Then it's China 21. Then it's ROC which is Russia at 18 by the way way, Armenia got one of the gold medal yesterday. In April, he had a Achilles heel, he tore his Achilles heel in April, and April he tore his Achilles heel.

He lands, can you go on Twitter to show this guy, right, go to Twitter all the way at the top search, right there, check this out. What's for, they just make this thing bigger so they can hear the audio. Okay, make a big and go back check this out Look what? Listen

April three months three months watch this Hey Armenian guy Unbelievement guys bring it back so there you go But you see what's going on with the old man you got to love your country man to win it It's I understand there's a part of it like when you're driving Somebody to win in a sports team in business in a company first thing everybody thinks thinks about is who. What's the first thing everybody thinks about? Themself.

Of course, and it's okay. What's in it for me, which is what? For the rest of the world. By the way, I don't say it in a bad way. You're right, that's a form of capitalism. I and Rand agrees with you just so you know, she wrote a book about. I think their books are gonna catch on one of these days.

Hopefully, well with you, but the point is, naturally, naturally, you're iron ran. But here's the point. The point is there has to be a point where it's you. So you sit there and you say, okay, what's in it for me? For the rest of your life, you're gonna be gold medalist. For the rest of your life, this is on one time. For the rest of your life, the guy from Milwaukee Bucks

said, guys, for the rest of your life, you're gonna be called a champ. Last night I had my kids watch the movie, we finished the movie, you know what movie it is. The fighter, Gerard comes in and says, you're watching the fighter of your life, you're gonna be called a champ last night. I had my kids watch the movie we finished the movie You know a movie it is the fighter the jar of comes and he says you're watching the fighter with your kids I see a watch and a fighter with the kids and by that sitting there my dad's like what in the Syrian what are you doing? What is the matter with you? It's actually a good mother. It's like 600 of bombs no joke if you've ever seen that movie It's like motherfucker. It's non-stop with Christian bail. Who's it? It is he kills it and so we

want to be out of this beautiful white trash hot that's like yours perfect I think you're white trash and your hot come holler my boy boy you see feeding me a grilled cheese and a perhaps blue ribbon baby so far where they go into the bedroom and she's got this two piece on I think it a black, nice lingerie on. And they're going in like, T-Code, Dylan, look at me. So T-Code's like, looking at me. But Dylan's going like, this, yeah. Dylan's like, now I'm gonna rock it. Let the boy walk.

That's you. So, but here's the point. I think we watched a movie. And there's a part I posit, because like that, there's a lot of cursing, T-Code says, I want you to know something here. So there's a big difference between you and I. He says, what's that? I said, that's the world I posit because like that, there's a lot of cursing. Because I said, I want you to know something here. So there's a big difference between you and I. This is what's that.

I said, that's the world I grew up in. I grew up in where that's normal at night. At 10 years old, I didn't have a daddy around me. That's normal to me. That's abnormal to you. You will never experience that for the rest of your life. The only way you can see how the reality is for many people is by watching movies.

And they do a great job explaining that. That is real for millions of people in America, but it's not real for you. We're all one decision away from ruined the whole thing. There is a scene where he's in his corner, Dickey. Is in the corner with Mickey. Mickey Ward. Mickey's fighting for their championship.

There was a fighter here. Mickey Ward is fighting this. No, but are they actor? The actor's Christian Bell and Mark Goldberg. Mark Goldberg's the fighter. Christian Bell's like the skinny, crack-up. Yes, brother, right? So he goes to jail.

He comes out and cleans his act and he's his corner. Okay, and it's the last round. He comes in and he says, Makee, I fought Sugar Ray Leonard. I was able to knock him out. Now they say, trip knock him out, that's the whole debate in the movie, right? He says, I never want a championship.

He says, do this for you first. Do it for me second. Do it for low third. Do it for the family fourth. But it starts with doing for who? You first. These Olympians, these basketball players. You got to do it for you. You got to do it for your family.

You got to do it for your country. All are necessary to have to drive. If you don't have those three, what's the motivators? So it's going to be interesting to see what happens. But I don't know got to do it, you're family, you got to do it for your country. All are necessary to have to drive. If you don't have those three, what's the motivator? So it's gonna be interesting to see what happens, but I don't know, I wonder if this anxiety thing is gonna go away and I wonder if there's anything the sports league, you know, Olympus can do about it

or it's something that's gonna be never to be, you got to deal with it. Well, back to the original point about Olympics and Simone Biles is pulling out, you talked about Osaka, you know they talk about pressure makes diamonds right. And you always see these very talented sports figures and you wonder like what happened to that guy? How did she not make it? They were so talented and it talent alone doesn't make it. There's obviously your physical health but mental health, anxiety, depression and I think that we're talking about is a good thing. I mean, think about it for the last year during COVID.

Nobody talked about this, at least initially now. I think it's a very out there thing. People, you talk about all the time that everything was locked down, the gyms were locked down, parks were locked down, especially in certain states, but they kept the liquor stores open and what have you, and people are home with their pills. It's depressing. Well listen, I can attest to it, and I live this, okay? And we train our bodies, and we train, you know, our minds as far as we do as much research as possibly watch film, but we really don't train

like our soul, like, and we don't train our mental well-being. And in that effect, it's the other way. They train us that if you're not working hard Somebody else is out working you if you didn't make it because you didn't work hard Regardless of the circumstances if it's on you Which is really nonsensical and I and I'll be real You know pat was talking about like how I'm looking better and stuff like that

My weight gain and all that stuff came from hating my body It came from actively being like, you failed me. I didn't make it to the big leagues. I wasn't good enough. You know, screw it. I'm just gonna drink, I'm gonna eat, I'm gonna do whatever the hell. I'm gonna do everything that I'm not happy

and let me double down on unhappy. What happens is, but you're not in a mental state of being able to ascertain that you're unhappy. You're like, I was repressed. For all these years, I was 225, 8% body fat. I did everything they told me to do, and it didn't work. So here's a question.

So screw it, I'm gonna go the other way, and then when it's up happening is, then it becomes a downward spiral, where then you're constantly chasing serotonin, you're constantly chasing the endorphins. The other big thing with guys is like, when you're an athlete, you're a warrior, you gotta play, got to get out there

And we don't know what kind of injuries these people have you look at Andrew look like Andrew look He gave up what 50 60 70 million dollars because why he just didn't want to take pills anymore He woke up every morning. He was like man I need to get 10 perkarsets just to get to lunch You know, and then when the game is over when they're done with you I can't tell you how many athletes pitchers particularly that they'd get released You know, we got what you do. We got a friend Zach and then your your body doesn't say I don't know Perkka wouldn't make you give me your solution. What's your solution?

Solution to this is we need to destigmatize although I hate that word We need to destigmatize powerful people alpha people Chi-competitive people, getting mental health, treatment. The same way you work on your body, I like that. You have to work on your mind. It should be mandatory. Mandatory for these people to get therapy once a week.

They should have to do some sort of introspective, you know, reactive thing where they're not being judged, where they're not being graded, where they're not competing. Where it's just hard. How's that not a thing already? Like behind the, like, the team, there's team doctors, there's teams.

So flip psychiatrists, how's that not a thing? Flip it though. Did you ever have a time where you were absolutely depressed and used party and women and, you know, alcohol to kind of get over a face of your life? Oh, yeah, yeah. You ever had that?

Yes. Okay, I had that as well. It gets worse and worse. Well, by the way, just so you know, when you say military, and when you say sports, it's the same thing in the military, just so you know, military is a, there's a lot of depression in the military.

A lot of pressure in the military. A lot of, they control you. There's a lot of stuff that happens in the military that is, so what do we do with it? We, I, in 80, I drank more alcohol in those 20, 28 months of being in the army, then I've drank my entire life. In that 20 half years of being in the army,

I drank more than I have my entire life. Matter of fact, I can tell you, I drink more in a six month run in the army than I have my entire life. I mean, that's just a fact on what happened. And what were we escaping? I mean, you're escaping realities, what you're doing.

But here's the point. This is the part of it. This is the part of it. This is the part of where I'm going with you. Is it like, is it something where there that's part of the filtering process to see who has the goodies to handle the pressure? Because let me give you an idea. For myself, I run a business. I've been in sales. 2013, 2014, I tell you 100% for a year plus, I had anxiety attacks every day. For a year plus, my palms would sweat. I would

constantly go around this anxiety. Okay. And one day, I'm coming back, I go to the hospital two o'clock in the morning and I'm shaking. They do my testing. It was nothing. I, the guys like, you just exhausted. And he's like, seriously, you gotta take a break. You're exhausted. Your body's, sort of put me on IV.

This happened like five, six times in my life. Then we're on push into heart. And I realize, hey, little bit, get some IVs, go back at it again, right? But I was running out of money. I can't go to my wife and tell her we're running out of money. She just had a miscarriage. I've told everybody I'm starting a business. I'm down to my last penny. I'm about to lose another carrier. This is the most difficult face I have nobody to talk to.

Here what age at this point? This is this is seven years ago, about eight years ago, 13, whatever 13 is eight years, I'm 32, no, 34 years old. Okay. Now, my entire life I grew up poor. I don't have any money. We've never lived in a house. It's always been in an apartment complex. It's never been like, Hey, look at it. I don't know what the first time I lived in a place with a swimming pool apartment

or a house, I was 30 years old. I've never, I don't know what it is to have a swimming pool, right? First time about Jordan's Jays, I was 30 years old. I don't know what it is to have a swimming pool, right? First time I bought Jordan's J's, I was 32. There was always this feeling of, what if we lose a, what if we lose a, what if we, this is the fear, you're busting your ass, you're a founder, you're the guy that's first generation money, how do you make all this stuff work?

You're trying to take care of everybody, please everybody, make everybody happy. And it eventually came to a point where, I tell you, my, my, for me, the Savior was, first of all, I have to like the guy in a mirror. I have to get along with that guy. I have to spend the rest of my life with him. I always give my best.

If I give my best, I have nothing to worry about. Why would I stress that if I have something to worry about? The judgment of Christianity, a perfection, I don't live by that. I live by, you know, working on getting better. I'm still a Christian. I consider myself a perfection, I don't live by that. I live by, you know, working on getting better. I'm still a Christian. I consider myself a Christian, but I'm somebody that's working on developing myself. I don't expect to walk on water.

That pressure that kids are raised sometimes, having to walk on water without the ability to make mistakes, put so much unnecessary pressure on them. I think these are talks that more alphas openly need to have or others to say if that flipping alpha is comfortably talking about this so I agree with you on that side but I got to tell you the other side you are it's a filtering process buddy there's a there's a part of it that you know Jordan talked about in the last dance he says my dad was kicking my ass as a kid and I was being compared to my brother and I was challenged he says when you're going through that moment, it's so painful.

But you have to get through it. I don't disagree with you, but I also don't think like Simone Biles is, she's proving herself. Like you know what I'm saying? So Simone Biles, if Simone Biles is having a break moment, if Simone Biles, you know, the problem isn't that people, and there's, there's going to be people in the comments. I talked about this a lot. I've tried to make it as open as possible to suicidal thoughts I had and everything

else because I got through it and I want other people that I've talked to to feel empowered to be like, all right, go get this work done, man. Let's just save my life for real. So I think what ends up happening though is the more high functioning you are Pat the more you want to achieve The less likely you are to admit that you need to help you're not the type of person to ask for the help You're not the type of person to be like hey, man. You need some help. No screw you bro. I got this I'm the man. I got this all I need to do is work harder or do this or like it's not it's not about filtering out weakness It's about being able to understand

that maybe you need some help in the moment. I disagree. No, no, I agree and I disagree. I agree in a sense that up until 32, 33, I exactly felt that way. I don't need your help. I got this. Let me tell you, I was a kid.

When I was a kid, never in my life have I gone allowance from my mom. This is something people have to know. I've never been given allowance ever in my life. I gone allowance from my mom. This is something people have to know. I've never been given allowance, ever in my life. Never, not one time. Geez, okay. Not one time I've never been given allowance, okay. Can I get 20 bucks?

I don't want to go now. My dad, when I would see him every other week when my parents got a divorce, I'd get 10 bucks. And when I would come home, she would say, did you get an allowance? I said, he gave me 10 bucks. He says, we need it as a family. So I would give it to my mom okay every week

Every other week when she would come and pick me up at Virgils That would be the allowance. I've never had allowance right so for me That there's a word called men that men that if you can really she really was a common She but listen she did her best raising us as a single mother, but she did have some, some beliefs that I don't agree with. So, so for me, in that moment, as a kid, I sat there and I said, you know what? I don't ever want to owe anybody anything. You know that whole thing about being in debt is not a virtue to be in debt where you owe somebody money. Slavery, yeah.

The Bible says that borrowers the slaves of the lender. Exactly. So I said, you know what? Screw this. So mom would go to sleep at 10 o'clock. She was a 10 o'clock person. At 10.30 I act like I'm asleep. I would go out of shopping cart in the back.

I would take the shopping cart. At 13, 14 years old, I would go in every single, I'm not even kidding with you. I would go to every trash, big trash not even kidding with you, I'd go to every trash, big trash, and I would collect two liter bottles, and I would collect cans, still two o'clock in the morning, I'd go to Albertsons, Inglendale, off of Glendale right next to video 2020, back in the days there's an eye hop right now,

I don't even know if there's an eye hop, they're right off of 134. I would recycle, I would make $10, $15, $20 per night, come back, go to sleep, wake up, she had no color cloud a few hundred Why did you have hide that? That what that you were trying to make some money. Oh you first of all have been her money. She didn't no no She wasn't that she don't want me to leave home or later night

She was worried because there was a father figure so she was worried. I'm gonna be okay. She always thought I was a driver Yeah, she thought I was a drug then I'm not the last person that was would make a great one, but I clearly it's never one that Had aspirations of learning this. Let me tell you why you made this heroin. Do you have heroin? So have you done the need analysis? The point is that feeling made me not need people until I learned in my early 30s. If your vision is big and you want to do

something big, you have to use the word I need your help. If you can't say the words, I need your help. Your vision won't be good. Well, we talk about it all the time. If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go to the group, right? Yeah. And I'll tell it in anecdotal story about the fighter.

Just so that people know Pat is 100% not that they would ever think it otherwise, but you're not that he's not full of shit. I sat there and there was a conversation going on when I first came in, you don't even probably know, I was listening to this. When he goes, when Mickey goes to see Dickie and Jill and his sons are asking them why is Dickie and Jill well because he got caught up in drugs,

well that makes him a bad guy. That's what the sons are saying. Well, not everybody who does drugs is a bad guy, they make bad decisions. This is the conversation that's happening. And then I think it was Dylan, it was like, the people who do drugs, can do they ever get off well?

You know, it's hard for them, but if they do, you have to support them. And that's the conversation that's happening, right there, I was like, man, that's a great con. First of all, the fact that the kids at that young age are having that conversation with you. But I mean, you walk it like you talk it, man, and you're like, look, they have to come back, they have to be willing to come back with it if they come

back you got to be willing to open open up your arms as well. And I think that that's so that's kind of like my thing right. And it maybe this is how we put a bow on this whole thing is like I want these athletes to love America. I want to root for these athletes. I want some own biles to be able to be like man I want to do great for this country like like I want us with despite our differences to be I want that big hug moment. I want some own biles to be able to be like, man, I want to do great for this country. Like, I want us, despite our differences to be, I want that big hug moment. I want to be like, you know what, LeBron, man? You've said some things that I really disagree with.

You know, I've said some things that have probably pissed you off. We're at odds with each other, but man, let's come back together, bro, I like watching LeBron play in that USA shirt. I like watching you win. I want to, I want to see you win for us, man. But I just, we're so kind of divided in this moment where if you were an athlete supporting,

like I can only imagine for a black athlete, like Simone Biles, she's getting pulled in this direction, she's getting pulled in that direction, you better kneel, you better put your fist up. No, you better not. Like, she's like, I just want to do flips, man. I just want to do flips. And then you got to do all the COVID protocols and all

the stuff. And she's like, if this COVID protocol stuff is for real, why am I even here? I'm halfway across the country. I don't, I don't want to die in Tokyo. Like, what am I doing here? But I can see where it's a lot. Part of it is also to, to bring up what you brought up the, the last answer, Michael Jordan, and you brought up a scene with his father and a, achieving greatness. But the probably the most memorable scene was when he actually broke down in tears. Remember that part? When he goes, well, some people think that I'm an asshole or think that I'm a tyrant,

but that's you. That's you. Because you've never won anything before. And that's what I needed to do to get my teammates to win. It's a team sport talking to you, USA, here, whatever. And that's what I needed to do to get my teammates to win as a team sport talking to you, I say here, whatever. Yep. And that's what I needed to do. So if you've never done it, don't come at me like that. Break.

Bro, cliche is it is, there's still humans, man. Just cause they look like super humans, act like super humans, they're still humans. And you know, like that's, you know, I don't have an answer. We're making, there's a lot of people like Steve and they Smith, like making a hell of a lot of money. They make a whole lot of money doing nothing but playing Monday morning quarterback on every single decision somebody makes and just raising the pressure on people

I think they should have a compensation package that's based on accuracy if you're Calling it percent of guys are saying that would be fired. Okay. Same with Fox News Pat. However MSNBC put them all on there. I'm talking about sports, but if you want to get politics too, you should have a compensation package based on accuracy and predictions. So when Charles Barkley is like, I guarantee that the sons are going to win the finals. But to them, but to me, the difference is no. Barkley's entertainment.

Stephen A is not entertainment. Stephen A is journalism and Stephen A is a different story. So for example, when you're talking about a person on CNN claims they're a journalist, but they're giving their bias nonstop, it's a propaganda. Very simple is what you're doing. If a person on MSNBC claims they're then they're pitching whatever they're pitching,

you ain't no journalist, you're propaganda. Same goes with Fox when somebody gets up there and says what they say. So I have a conversation with David Harris Jr., I gave a talk a couple days ago in, where was I at? Where was that? Where was I at? Dallas.

Dallas, I gave a talk in Dallas for this guy who was running this event called 8th percentation Cody. How to chance to meet him, his wife, his family, liked him a lot, a lot. And yeah, this event called 8% nation Cody, how to chance to meet him, his wife, his family liked him a lot, a lot. And he had this partner, six, nine guy, he can tell there was a lot of strong values there. David, he was doing your sent me a message, hey, you're in Dallas, the assignment,

so he come down, he comes down, we start talking, and got on the back, it's me, himself, Matt Sipala, Curtis, Seatman, Mario, Sanville, we're sitting to have an conversation together. And he says, why do you think Sean Hannity Give that vaccination message at the end on Fox the other day. I said what he means as you think it's a you know Murdoch you think it's Fox I said there's only one person that can make Hannity Give a message of vaccination on TV on the one person a his wife

It is only Donald Trump. And the only reason that message being said is because the world maybe doesn't know that in April, Trump and his wife got the COVID vaccine quietly. They wouldn't got it done. So Hannity is given that message and I said, this is my speculation. I may be wrong. My speculation is the fact that Trump is already strategizing his run and he's already starting to campaign and a one thing he doesn't want to hold over him is the fact that he's an anti-vax community representing conservatives and he has to start off by the biggest people on the right such as Hannity to start saying if you think it's good go take it just make sure you talk

to the experts etc. etc. Right now 99% chance Trump is running. There's no question. I'm at 100. I'm not at 100. What else is he doing? Don't understand. Don't understand. Don't understand. Don't understand.

Don't understand. I'm not at 100% because of a couple of the things that I was told. But 99% I think he's going to be like what? 77? Yeah. A couple years younger than that. Who's David Harris Jr. by the way?

David Harris Jr. is a guy that's a black conservative. One of these guys that's got a few hundred million very popular reddable incredible communicator incredible communicator and got a great story Mary 27 years family guy beautiful family two beautiful I mean just a beautiful family's got married 27 years. How old is he? He's 46 yeah Mary 27 okay David. Hello, it was your marriage couple couple minutes so so anyway so let's go. You guys want to get to marriage couple couple minutes so so anyway, so let's You guys want to get to a couple the stories. Let's do a couple the stories since we're already touched up all Olympics Why don't we get into it? Tokyo Olympics opening draws

16.7 million us TV viewers 33 year Low that's pretty low by the way to say 33 year low. That's a long time. Maybe see broadcast at Tokyo Olympics Opening ceremony draw only 16.7 million viewers. A smallest-year television audience for last 33 years. It declined 37% from 2016, when 26 and a half million people watched the Rio de Janeiro games open and 59% down from 2012, when 40.7 million people watched the London ceremony. It was the lowest audience for the opening since 1980 at Soul Games, which attract the 22.7 million TV viewers. NBC Universal, which paid $7.65 billion to extend its US broadcasts right for the Olympics through 2032 plans to air an unprecedented seven hours of Olympic coverage across multiple

television networks and peacock streaming services is what they're saying. So what do you thoughts about that for being down? What is the reason for it? When you watch some of these matches, there's nobody in audience. Is it because of COVID is a lack of interest? Is it no more than 10? You're saying we're in Japan.

Yeah, why are, of course. Why is the TV viewership in US so low? Well, you know, they say when you lose one sense, the other senses get stronger. If you lose your sense of sight, your sense of hearing gets stronger. Well, when the you lose your sense of sight, your sense of hearing gets stronger. Well, when the rich lost their sense of humor, their sense of self-importance got stronger.

And this is just non-stop preaching. It's not, there's nothing fun about any of this. Have you watched any of this? There's nothing fun. There's no more fun in sports. There's no more fun in television. Like, even in the NFL draft, did you watch the NFL draft?

It was not what this kid did in college. It was, well, he comes from the poorest neighborhood in the poorest state. And his mother had 18 jobs a day. And it's okay. You can root for this kid. He's not one of these rich kids. It's okay.

It's okay. He's gonna be a multi-millionaire in the NFL. They're doing the same thing. They're like, I don't care how bad everybody had it. I care. Are you awesome at your sport? I came here to see excellence. I came here to see absolute, the pinnacle of human achievement and politics have just infiltrated this entire thing.

There are judokas. Like, my father was an Olympic alternate in judo. I watched judo. All right, I like judo. I was a judoka. And these dudes won't fight the Israeli champion. They want, they're literally pulling out of the Olympics because they refuse for political reasons to get in the ring. I won't, I won't touch that Israeli. It was, uh, the first one

was, I think, I don't, I don't want to get it wrong. I believe it was Isar by John and Algeria. Are those the two? I don't want to get it wrong. But they, they literally pulled out because they, they wouldn't stand on the same mat with it as rarely. And the whole point, the whole point of the Olympics, by the way, for people that know the history of the Olympics, it came together as the original United Nations. In Greece, there were so many warring city states that they were like, look, instead of us killing tens

of thousands of each other like every year, why don't we just have these games and we'll wrestle make it and we'll meet each other. Have some wine. That's what needs to be told. What you just did is what needs to be told. What you just did is what needs to be told. The wrestling naked part.

No, that's the part. No, no, no, no. It's just a lot of eye contact. Coming together. Yeah, well, no, no, no, no, no, not the coming together, but what needs to be told is when a marriage is in a bad place, you have to remind them, why did you guys date in the first place?

What brought you guys together? There is a right before divorce, that's a conversation. American needs to know history of why Olympics is the Olympics. So is this one you're talking about a second, Judoca pulls out of the Olympics and a parent move to avoid facing Israeli Sudan's Mohammed, a $2.00 assault Sips bout with Tahar Batpoul, who wins next fight, but loses metal chance later. Athlete is a no-show despite Khartoum signing Abraham accords with Israel, second time I'm gonna go a little more.

Suspended for doing the same, but Paul was listed as no competitor in the last match against 73. General Olympic officials said, I've noticed I didn't show up to Facebook and they're out despite weighing in the bout early international judo federation. Didn't immediately announce the reason for I'm saying we're response. Okay, so you know, I think my question. Yeah, is that his decision or are there people behind the

point pulling strings? That's a good point. That's a good question. There's no way we can have one of our athletes lose to an Israeli or even right there's really so it's not a good look for us. So we're going to make a political stance here and we're not going to fight. This guy's been training his whole life and I was about to win the gold or like, sorry buddy, have a seat. What? But take that exactly what you said is right. Now extrapolate that out.

Right, you think- A multiple sports. Yeah, like you think LeBron James is coming up with minister Farrakhan's words on his own or do you think somebody from the nation is like, you know what, you should say something like this. Like these people have infiltrated the highest levels of our culture.

You think Simone Biles is backing out because the gymnastics aspect of this is the pressure she can't handle. Of course it's not. She's the best gymnast possibly of all time. This is second hats or it's probably what she loves more than anything in the world. The pressure of being pulled in different directions

by these incredibly powerful people is what she's going like, you know what, screw it. I'm not here to be your mascot. I'm not here to be the mascot of your social action. I'm not here to be the mascot of this side or that side, I just want to perform. And these dudes out here, they, they, they, again, four years of competition to get to the highest level. And now you have somebody and because of political differences, you're not going to compete.

But why is, why is, why is, guys, why me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say, let me sports, right? I think that's obviously a factor here in the Olympics. And I think also a part of it, we all feel for the athletes. We're all rooting for the athletes. Sure. I think lingering, maybe this is for me, is my opinion. I'm not that interested in the Olympics for whatever reason, because I think that the committees and whoever's putting everything together is just corrupt. When I think of the Olympics, I think of corruption. Oh my gosh. I do. How do these countries get it? They built, listen, you hear these stories about China building these ridiculous stadiums. And then after the Olympics, they're gone. They're even using average person in America's not watching Olympics because they think the judges are corrupt. I don't say judges. I say overall Olympic committees, the selection, the way that they pick the cities.

The dope. I'm just, I just think it's not fun anymore. They don't know how to create fun products. I don't know. I have my, you don't think the Olympics are corrupt at all? By the way, I want to actually hear you guys. Why do you, Kai, why do you think I want to know if you guys, do you guys have any opinions on this or not at all?

It has to be, if you have, if it's different than what they said, say it, if not. I have one. I think a big one is obviously what you guys have mentioned in terms of that. Second one is the fact that the whole last year is it happening? Is it not? Oh, shit, it happens tomorrow. Wait, it actually started. Okay, so, okay.

That is a big, so scheduling. So scheduling. Yes. Okay, scheduling up good marketing. Yes. Fair. Okay. Scheduling a good marketing. Yes. And just confusion of like, because I saw Oracle still the week of, it could still be canceled. Like, all right, is it going on?

Is it not? Other part, second part, which also I think is a big part, Japan is currently 13 hours ahead. So the schedule, they're competing in the middle of the night. Yeah, but China was the same. Yeah, that's not. That's not as big. But I think the biggest one is the fact that they were, like, is it happening?

Is it being canceled? Okay. What do you think? Anything different or no, David? I just, yeah, I never really had much interest in the Olympics. I think it's a historic event. So then it's a no-brainer for you.

Like, it's a non-issue for you. Like, who cares? Okay, even the softening. I would say as it gets down to more of the finals viewership is gonna go the computer does bottom to the kabuki theater bothers me where it's like okay everybody's wearing a mask but then the mask is down over here and then

now they got to go compete face to face with each other it's like it's just too much like safety theater for me I just I don't feel like I'm watching a competition I feel like I'm watching probably I'm trying to see if that's how the average viewer feels the way you do. So there is how I feel.

There's how you feel. Then there's the average American that's like just not watching it. So you're saying because of the committee. You're saying because of the, you know, it's not fun anymore. It's just to politicize. I don't know.

I'm gonna read you the story here. You tell me if there's this angle here that could be taken place. So go to pageize. I don't know, I'm going to read you the story here. You tell me if there's this angle here that could be taken place. So go to page eight, if you go to page eight, all the way at the bottom on page eight, okay? Americans optimism about country's direction over the next year drops nearly 20 points since May. And may a little more than a third world pessimistic. Now it's a majority. 55% are pessimistic versus a third. As Biden completes

his first 100 days in office, the country and optimistic about the country is coming year. But now just after hitting six month mark, America's optimism about direction country is plummeted at nearly 20 points. A new ABC poll finds the decline in optimism has occurred across the broad amongst Democrats, Republicans and Independents. Optimism is down 20 points amongst Democrats and Republicans, down 26 points amongst Independents. So this isn't a Republican hit piece on Biden. This is the left-right center. It is, it likely reflects the growing concerns that lockdown could be reinstated.

Already vaccinated Americans could near Booster Shot as a highly contagious Delta variant. Now it's estimated to account for 83% of all new coronavirus cases in the United States. Fewer than 4 in 10 Americans approve of the president's handling of immigration and the situation at the U.S. Mexico border crime and gun violence. Okay. I don't know. Do somebody care to watch somebody win if you no longer have pride in them? I don't know.

I don't have pride in the Lakers because of what they keep talking about. So guess what I did? Curl us about one. You know how I maybe won the biggest Laker fans in the world. I really could I don't know pride I'm watching anything the Lakers are doing has the American the basic American citizen not not I'm talking about the big Which is most America has a basic American citizen just Not, not, I'm talking about the big, which is most America. Has a basic American citizen just sat there and said, honestly, listen man, I don't know if I love America like I used to.

You guys don't even talk about this, the greatest country in the world. I'm watching the news. More articles coming out with America's the greatest country anymore, not your son. So you know the power affirmations. We talked about this on the tour. Do you know the Jane Elliott story,

the teacher, third grade teacher in 1964, what she did? No. Okay, do you know the Jane Elliott story, Kai or no? The Jane Elliott story, let me tell you the Jane Elliott story. Pull up the Jane Elliott story. Martin Luther King dies. Oh, I know. Okay, Martin Luther King dies.

Day after Martin Luther King dies, this teacher named Jane Elliott doesn't exercise with a third graders. Here's what she does, okay? She goes and she says, day one. She says, students, major research just came and I wanna give you guys the research here. What's the research teacher?

What's the research teacher? Here's a research. Research has shown that blue white people are smarter, stronger, and have better privileges and deserve a better life than brown-eyed people. And the students like, what? So, yep, blue-eyed people are smarter, stronger, and are more privileged than brown-eyed people. The students are kind of like, oh, third grade.

It's not like it's college or high school, third grade. Where's this going? Oh, my gosh. So all of a sudden, one of the blue-eyed kids talking to the brown-eyed kid and is asking the question about math. And the brown-eyed kid gets the answer wrong. And whatever the question he was asking, and the blue-eyed kid says,

oh, your brown-eyed makes sense. Okay, so the brown-eyed kid comes and pushes, shoves the blue eyed kid says, oh, you're brown eyed. Oh my God. Make sense. Okay. So the brown eyed kid comes and pushes shoves the blue eyed kid and a fight breaks out, right? So the teacher says, it's okay. We're done till you guys go home. We'll come back tomorrow.

Tomorrow everybody comes to school and the teacher says, I made a mistake. Research came back and they said, it's actually the brown eyed kids that are smarter, stronger, and more privileged than the blue-eyed people. And it's true. I'm sorry, my apologies.

I made the mistake, brownite kids are smarter, stronger, and more privileged than blue-eyed kids. And everybody's like, what? The blue-eyed kids are devastated, heartbroken. And the brownite kids are like, I told you, I'm part of the brownite community, right? And then all of a sudden, a debate starts taking place and they're going back and forth kids.

And one, the Brown Knight kid says, you're a blueie. You don't know what you're talking about. So the word blueie gets labeled with blue-eyed kids. Then the next day, three days later, the teacher comes out and says, kids, I've lied. Neither blue-eyed or brown-eyed people have any privileges.

You're messing with my head, teacher. You're not stronger. You're not smarter. Thank you very much, Miss. You're not, nobody cares. You have to go earn your privileges. You have to go earn all of that stuff. Good for her.

If she would have done that today, she'd be in jail, by the way. She's a lawyer, so. But she did. By the way, she did this a day after MLK assassination. Think about the optics and the timing of how break this feature. It's very, very interesting.

Think about the anxiety levels in the country. That's a true educate. But what I'm trying to go ahead, Kai. Yeah, but also the other thing is this was done in like the far north. So there was a racial disparate. Yeah, yeah, but this is coming from a blueie, bro. It's our way.

And she would also. She would also. Greenie. She would also tell them when they were fighting like, oh, it's is coming from a blueie, bro. It's our way. And she would also agree. She would also tell them when they were fighting like, oh, it's because he's a blueie. So she feed into that. She's shining. He was the original fake news. But they would allow her to do is doing this. Obviously, she invalidated what Republicans and Democrats and the mainstream media is doing

today. She validated the point. So you know what happens here? Here's a point. Why are you going to love here? Here's a point. Why are you gonna love America? What do I love? What is America to love today?

What is it? When you ask somebody, like I asked the question, do you love America? You ask a regular person, like, you know what, how you know how to go into streets? You know what you're doing? I actually don't know what you're doing about that. I want you to do that.

I want you to go and say, do you love America? And let them say, okay, you guys go into Miami. Do you love America and they say what? Set it up. Okay, you guys go into Miami. Do you love America and they say what? Yes or no, no matter what they say, guess what the next question is. Why? Yeah. No, I hate America.

Why? I love America. Why? See who's traveled and who has? Yeah. I'll tell you, Anthony Bourdain, you know, had a great, great quote and said like to know America is to love her.

And it's the truth, man. Like, we've all traveled. We've all been very lucky to travel this whole country. And that's the truth, man. Like, we've all traveled. We've all been very lucky to travel this whole country. And there's no way that you could travel this country and just not be like, man, this is a great place. This is a great place full of great people. And it's not perfect, but it's great. And it's trying to be better.

And we're going through growing pains. And that's why I probably, I hate the commies more than anything else, especially the upper middle class commies, it's not perfect, burn it down. And it's like, bro, I hate the commies more than anything else, especially the upper middle class commies. It's not perfect, burn it down. And it's like, we're doing pretty good here. We're not perfect, but we're trying. And every person you meet,

almost every person outside of an incredibly small outlier, wants them and their neighbors and their neighbors' families to be successful. And one of the great things about COVID that never gets talked about is every single person with no questions asked. Really, almost every human being was willing to shut down their business,

was willing to shutter themselves in their house, was willing to shut down their lives completely because they thought it would make their community safer. Now, as time roll on, and it was six months, eight months, 10 months, and there was a ton of mixed messages, and then we realized, okay, there's political motivations behind this, you started getting serious pushback. As you should have, I was ready to throw to T and Harvard,

and I was waiting for the Boog boys to come with me. But in the beginning, every single one of us really showed our love for country and nation. I believe that. We showed our love for community. First few months here. Because we shut it down down because we wanted to keep each other safe. Six weeks guys. Six weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 15 days planned curve, right? So part of this anxiety that I feel and then a lot of people feel is we were lied to. Now I feel like I love the

country. I hate our government and I'm able to make those two, that I'm able to distinguish between the two. I hate our federal government. With every fiber of my being, I hate our federal government. But I love the people of the United States of America. Explain to two. So explain what part of the government you hate. I hate the federal government. I hate what our federal government has become.

I hate the panopthicon that we're living in. I hate the security state that we've given our lives to. I think, you know, people have been saying this for 20 years. And they've been waiting and waiting. We are seeing the ramifications of the Patriot Act. We are seeing today. We are living in the fallout from the Patriot Act. We are living in the fallout from Bush, Taney, Rumsfeld, and the way that our life

is being infringed upon, and now the elites, the quote unquote elites, they are saying the quiet parts out loud, and this Ivy League cabal of, you know, the entrenched powers that are always going to be in power. You know, the fact that they're so beholden, they look, I said it, and I've said it before and maybe it sounds salacious, but this is the truth, and I believe it to be the truth. They had a chance to choose between the United States and China, and they chose China, and that's just the truth of it. They did not choose us. They have not chose their citizens. They have not chose the people down here at the ground floor. You saw it in Washington, DC, over the

weekend, when they erased Cuba, Libre off the street. They erased it off the street. These are people fighting tyranny, real tyranny, real tyranny. And they erased it off the street because it was going to incite hatred. You pulled that up, Kai. But any, any communist fist, whether it's Black Lives Matter or not, forget the Black Lives Matter, it's the communist fist. That commie fist is gonna stay on the DC streets forever. Tristan, Rudolph or Ramirez just said, if you don't hate the government,

you have, you haven't worked for the government. Yeah, exactly. If you don't get the government's line, and you just not paying attention, to talk about hitting the government, I have a note here because we have a couple stories on Cuba, a couple stories on Iran, obviously China, and I said it's important to remember

the people are not the governments of these countries. And I'm sure we're gonna talk about what's going on in Iran, we're talking about Cuba. The people are the people, the government are not the people. Like we talked about with General Spalding that what, 6% of China is part of the CCP. So I hear you on that. So what's the damage? As a Democrat, as a Democrat, do you think our government represents us, the people right now?

Do you think our federal government, this administration represents people? Obviously, if you look at the approval ratings for what's going on in Congress, it's zashrously low and it's getting lower. So no, I think, I think, you know, going, I mean, Trump was the fascist. Trump was the dictator, but now we have people saying they're gonna go door to door, kick down your door, drag you back. That's all rhetoric and stuff. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, said? Yes, he will pick down the door. Did you hear what he said down the door? I see put you in a car and get you jabbed in your own. That's good. Okay. Let's see what Cuomo has to say

So no, no, it's an hour and 18 minutes. You need to find one that's like 30 seconds This is a guy who is a leading candidate for the next president was gonna be president. Yeah, so click on video Watch what he says. Yeah, there you go We're talking about people that are reading our text messages, reading our emails. They're going to come to our house and, and, and, you know, hit us with experiment and then the patient act happened right after 9-11 and there was overreach obviously. Because there was shock and discussion.

Sure. What happened in 9-11 and then just like we learned about what taxes when Pat did his tax episode, it's just temporary. It's just temporary. And then what happens with the taxes, Pat, it keeps going and keeps going. And then I guess this is my, my issue why I keep picking on Democrats specifically,

especially in my family is I know a lot of Republicans who left the Republican party and became libertarians or just became independence or flat out, never, or they're called rhinos now because they said that this Patriot Act is bullshit. We should never be in Iran. We should never, we should never be in Iran. We should never be in Afghanistan. We should never be in Iraq.

Right off the bat, they said this, this rum spelled chainy stuff is nonsense. All right. Now, yeah, which, you know, yeah, not that I'd dance on anybody's grade, but the world's a better place without Donald Rumsfeld.

That's for sure. So, then I don't even feel controversial saying that we should have slinched out him into the sun years ago. But the, the chainy faction is now the Biden faction and that's never admitted by Democrats It's never admitted that those guys that's the establishment It's the establishment man. So when when we talk about that do they have our best look? I I ascribe to something that that's a pretty

You like to talk about my extremist views of freedom and letting people be a volunteer society. But I do believe we are tribal people. I believe we're naturally tribal. That's why I think it's so important for us to promote individualism and iron-ran and to promote the beauty of the individual because we are tribal, we're naturally tribal.

But that being said, we are always looking for a chief. We're always looking for a tribal chief. I described to what's called the great man theory. It could be a woman, it could be a man, but we need more than ever in my lifetime. I cannot think of a time that we were more devoid of leadership, that we did not have somebody that we can look to and say, you know what, this is somebody that knows what we're doing. Well, you had your boy Donald Trump for four years. That was not my boy. It was not my boy. No, not, not on Trump was not my boy. Did I vote for Donald Trump in 2016?

I don't know. I'm asking you. Did I vote Donald Trump in 2012? All right. Oh, no, no, no, 2016. That I vote for Donald Trump in 2020. Because this walking, talking zombie that is, that you know, weakened at Bernie's Biden

that they keep propping up. I mean, it's all the strings. Yeah, I mean, how long until Kuma la Harris finishes off the job here, man? But I mean, the, listen, I didn't, I didn't mind what Trump did. I really, really, really, really, really love the tactics the Democrats did to gain power in 2020. The fact that, you know, just the lying, the gaslighting, talking about the insurgency after they burnt down the country for a summer, it's nonsensical. It's nonsensical. All right? And if we're not able to live, that's again, I'm going to say it for the third podcast

in a row. That's why I love Russell Brand, the Bill Mark, had another great one this weekend that the left refuses to ever admit progress. You know, Rogan, like these guys who are on the left are saying enough, enough already, and that's, it's got to come from there. Can't come from the outside. I agree with you on that. I say that every show that it needs to come from inside, like, where's the phone call coming from? Inside the house?

Yeah. It's exactly where it is. Let's talk about what happened in the NFL. Let's talk about what happened with the NFL. Let's talk about what happened with the NFL. It's a bit of a strange story here and extreme at the highest level. And I've felt to find unvaccinated players, $14,650 for any violation of COVID-19 protocols

and ESPN stories. Spotlight was put on the punishment after report that Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Bruce Arian would find a player 14,000 dollars on the spot. Every time he isn't wearing a mask or is breaking a protocol, this led to some spec- to speculate that Ariens was insinuating, instituting this fine as his own personal rule. And if all policy Ariens told the SPN is in a text message, league rules, league spokesperson Brian McCarthy confirmed to the SPN that

Ariens was correct in his understanding of the NFL's rule. Ariens said the bucks will have close to 85% of players fully vaccinated by final cut downs. Some players have voiced resistance to the vaccine, however. DeAndre Hopkins, we all know what he said. He says he doesn't want to do it. He took his tweet down, then he put freedom, then he said Niners in the NFL, then a Minnesota Vikings assistant coach just said, I'm done. I'm not doing it. That's offensive line coach in the NFL. The best offensive lineers in the NFL, then a Minnesota Vikings assistant coach, just said I'm done, I'm not doing it. I'm not taking the best offense of line coach

in the NFL. The best offense of line coach in the NFL. I'm done. I'm done. I told the ball, easily the other day. But if you can bring up Kai, I wish this a little bit more details about NFL's guidelines because the way this works is,

if because of you, they have to suspend or cancel a game, you will take the L, you'll get a loss, but they will take money of salary, of all players involved in that game, your team and their team away, period. So meaning if you were expected to make 800,000 dollars that game, it's gone.

So it's only playing 16 games. That money, 18 games this year. That money's gone. Right? So NFOs obviously made it a point that they're going extremely, extreme measures with this, whether this, by the way, Fauci comes out and Fauci, they ask them, they say, what do you think about what the NFL is doing? So, while the NFL is making it very obvious

that they're sending a strong message to the players that they better take the vaccine seriously, is what he said. So now the question becomes, one, is that the right way approach this and two will mba nhl and mlb follow i don't know i don't know the other sports but let me address this isn't we talked about bruce arian's cuz you know he's the head coach of the ten pay box and one of the super bowl this is not a bruce arian story guy if you

scroll up this is a hundred percent this guy right here rageria del like if you talk about the main sports in the United States and you ask people, what sport is most concerned about the money? Most people would say the NFL. I feel like the NFL is just a cash crab. All they care about is the money. This is just follow the money. So this is not a safety issue. I mean, for the most part, obviously it is a little bit.

This isn't a COVID thing. This is a don't fuck with our money. And if you and your opinions get in the way of our multi-billion dollar industry, we're gonna take that money out of your pocket, fill in the blank. So the NFL, you know, they say it stands for not for long. If you want to do your own thing and get in the way of our money, you won't be having money not for long. So this is just a FTM, follow the money thing and Roger Godell, he runs this with a tight chip and I think this is a straight up, just a money grab and they don't want any individual

Colby's lead, the Andre Hopkins, Bruce Ariens, who cares to get in the way of their billion dollar industry? We have a few, we got a few NFL players that follow this. Shout out to you guys, that follow this podcast. Love you guys. Appreciate you guys listening. Hit us in the DMs and stuff like that. Give us some good insight on this, man.

Really, really shout out to y'all. But my biggest takeaway from them wasn't even this is a societal thing, right? Whether you're going to bend the knee and do what your business and your boss tell you to do, or you're going to, like, this is a societal thing, right? Like whether you're gonna bend the knee and do what your business and your boss tell you to do, or you're gonna, like this is a fight. This is an obedience test more than anything else. What they're mad about isn't necessarily

what the league is doing. They're so mad at the NFLPA. They think the NFLPA is so useless at defending them, at fighting the NFL. They think the NFLPA and Deemari Smith who runs it are NBA is so useless at defending them, at fighting the NFL, they think the NFL PA and Deemari Smith who runs it are so, so useless. They're so bad at their job. So Pat, if you were running the NFL PA, if you were running the labor side of this NFL

partnership, all right, and you represented 800 players against 32 owners, how would you handle this situation? So first of all, I think the NFL is so tied to having to please the government. I think it's tied to it because to take a position like this This is a very extreme position to take like this is almost worse than a position the government is taking. Like let me kind of give you an example what this means. So this means if I were, let's bring it to a regular job.

Forget sports, bring it to a job. So if you work at a company and you went to Chipotle, you came back, you got COVID from a guy at Chipotle that maybe wasn't quarantining, you come to the office, 17 people end up getting COVID from a guy at Chipotle that maybe wasn't quarantining, you come to the office, 17 people, and they're getting COVID from you, you have to go to the house for two weeks and can't work for two weeks. That means the company is taking away your salary for two weeks,

and the other 12, 14, you know, however many people that got COVID as well for two weeks, and suspending you and finding them for you being irresponsible. Everybody else also takes a hit. That's what this is essentially about. So if you bring it to a company, that's what this is. So you mean to tell me, you're going to dictate my unpaid salary. This is so extreme. It's concerning to me. So the position again goes back to why I have a hard time with the product that he and me until this playoff. When I saw the playoff run when LeBron was out, when I said, okay, these out, Kyrie's out, I'm like, okay, hopefully Janus is not going to bring him politics. Hopefully Booker's just going to play ball. Hopefully, Trayoung is not already,

you know, as a 22 year old guy, he's not yet ingrained with you better or else. And it was a great playoff series that we got a chance to watch, right? There wasn't any part of it. But I think the direction they're going right now is you have one choice. You either have to be pro vaccine or if you're not, you're gonna pay fine for it. That's like the NFL is being a doctor, all of a sudden. That's as if the NFL is saying.

Why do you think they're doing it? Well, real quick. Again, it went back to the government because you want to be aligned with the government because the last thing you want is sanctions, regulation, additional things that the government make. Look, think about it this way. Who does this isn't a big money? Let me, let me, guys, let me simplify.

Let's, let's, let's play the conspiracy game. Can we play it? Let's just, let's just, our favorite game. Literally, let's play the conspiracy game. Let's play the conspiracy game.'s play the conspiracy game. You're ready for conspiracy game. Okay. Every industry has something they fear that can put them out of business. Okay. All right. So for example, what does China fear? Does China want Elon Musk to go out there and dissadilat and create free internet for everybody? Does any

Communistic nation want free China wants control? We know that do you communist nation want free internet for all the people? Do you think Iran wants free internet for all their people where the people can go on YouTube and Facebook? No, okay. So go think about what the DNC fears, what is the RNC fear, okay? What does Trump fear, what is Biden fear, what is Obama fear, what is, you know,

Jelaine Maxwell fear, what is everybody fear? What is the fear? What is, you know, Jelaine Maxwell fear? What is everybody fear? What is the number one fear on NFL's mind? Number one fear on NFL's mind up until COVID it was concussions Concussions exactly so go to concussions. Yeah, so when concussions a movie came out by Wolfsmith it got everybody thinking about it, right? Do you know how many parents Jennifer doesn't want Dylan to play football? Stop playing football. So the product of football is sitting there saying, this cannot get serious long term, because if it does, guess what?

The ramifications to the game, to the product of football could be big. Who is the only organization that can treat the NFL the way they treat? Facebook, Google, YouTube, all of those guys. The federal government. The federal government targets the NFL and says, hey, NFL, Roger Godell, just want to let you know, I'm not threatening or anything, but we just want you to be a good vaccine citizen. And because we want to make sure that story of concussions doesn't come back up, we're going to help. We're going to protect you.

That's the, again're gonna protect you. That's that's the not again I told you your thoughts on predator drones by the way This is just a game. We just play yeah, but you can take this game and think The next question got asked yourself was a follow you know what the next question question you ask yourself Here's the next question got asked yourself. Here's the next question got asked yourself and by the way if you're watching It's I'm actually curious into what you say about this Zero to a hundred give me a percentage. What percentage do you say that conversation has been had? What percentage?

One thousand? What's the percentage? You're saying, listen, we'll help the government cause good deal. Like you know, like you know, John Perkins who was the economic hitman that goes to other countries saying, you better allow us to build over here and take the oil or else we're gonna ruin your economy,

because we have ways of doing it. That was a job in which I dare you to play against us. We don't play nice. I'm the guy that's coming telling you this. Do you think there's somebody like that that went to the NFL and said, if you do anything that's anti-vax, we're gonna bring you down in ways for the discussion.

It's zero to 100. Zero to 100. A thousand? A thousand? It's actually higher than the conspiracy typical thing. What do you think it is? Give me a percentage. I would say there's a higher than 50% chance

I'd say that conversation has that chance. I'm going to say 30%. I'm actually not even going there. I'm not 100%. I'm not at all about 30%. You're at 10,000% where it is. 10,000%. All I'm saying to you is, I'm speculating

that because the only way a person, again, Hannity, all of a sudden made an extreme position, which is what you should go get the vaccine to protect your family. What are you talking about? NFL just made an extreme position. Who, who you fear to make an extreme position like that? I don't know about that. You know, so for me, for me, the moment Elon Musk...

So what can the government dangle over them? You want this little concussion? Think they'll come back out again by you. What is it? Are you kidding me? Do you see they get from the DOJ? Do you think the DOJ is the biggest average? Do you think it's a DOD?

I'm sorry, the DOD is the biggest average. The government has a fence? Do you think the jets flying over every game, everything? I don't think... I don't think that's what it is about. I don't think that's what it is, bud. I don't think it's a deal in the part. Do you think, what's a look? Every time we watch TV and we see Mark Zuckerberg

they're answering questions to Congressmen. Is that a good look for him? Do you think it's a good look when you see the CEO of Google, or Twitter, or their chapters? You're saying, hey, Gidele, you don't want to come in front of us ever again, right? If you want to be sitting in front of Congress, grilling you about what you're doing about concussions 24, seven, we will make your life a living,

that's like when Congress went after baseball. Okay, steroids. So I get that on Gidell's part. I'm going back to the NFL PA. Where are they at here? Like, okay, they can do that all they want. Gidell could do that all they want. What do you want?

NFL PA, what are you talking about? They gotta be on the floor. They gotta be on the side of the plate. It's your art. Do you know, do just DM to me? Do just DM to me. Yeah, I can say it is. 11 year NFL player, all right.

Says we have to sign away our HIPAA, our HIPAA rights when we go to the combine. So we're not allowed to have any sort of my privacy. Well, he said it's cause of gambling. So if I have a broken leg, the whole world gets to know I have a broken leg and the other team can target my leg. Right. I'm not allowed. I'm not allowed privacy.

No, you asked me question my players association. Why would here's my reason for players association? Tell you talking about the bigoted contract I get is the more money you're making, the bigger the product NFL makes, the bigger the much, NFL PA you wanna make more money? That you gotta make sure we don't get hold into your players, aren't you? There's a lot of players that are saying, I've got enough money. You actually think that's how this thing works when they're sitting there.

You actually think NFLPA is sitting there only thinking about the health of, they're going to sit there and they're going to say the following. What if it's not they need new people in the NFLPA? Well, they need new people in every, most positions, they need new people. We've got people in the government that sit in there making decisions for others, that they're not making decisions for others. They're making decisions for their reelection. That's all they're thinking about. How many people do you have that's under 20 a term?

I mean, obviously I'm being sarcastic 20 a term, but you get what I'm saying. When there are people that are just going on their term, they're not doing it for the people. All I'm saying to you is, money's gonna talk, and they're sitting there saying, what percentage will take the vaccine? No problem, 87%. What cares about the 13% guys. Let's just get to smooth on who cares about the 13% let's move on again

This is a conspiracy theory. I thought 30 you say I say it's actually pretty likely. Yeah, it's like so that's still that's still Again anytime those questions FTM follow the money. They don't want this 13% coming after the 87% smoke. Listen, I told this story to Gerard the other day. I said, here's what's happening right now. I'm 16 years old. We're sitting around a bunch of friends. And everybody, for the, 15 years, I mean Wilson Jr., I was 14 years old.

We're sitting around. First kid comes up, this the first time I was exposed to smoke and weed. Hey, here guys, try some of this. What is it? Everybody smokes a two-pock smokes it. Big two-pock guys. Look, I'll try some weed.

Guy tries it, guy tries it, guy tries it. Everybody tries it, then it comes to me. Pat, here you go, I said, I'm good. Why not? I'm good, I don't want to smoke it. So I said I'm good, I don't want to smoke it. Three left, two were quiet, two came afterwards to find out why.

What's the point? Here's a point. Yeah, the dissenter is the issue. Here's the point. The people that are not saying no to this, I guarantee you, they're being text message, they're getting calls, they're calling them and DM and say, can we talk about this? Why didn't you take it? You're a pretty smart guy. Why'd you say no? The small community that is saying no, people are gonna ask, here's the strangest thing about this entire situation here. Friend of mine sent me a message, Kai.

And he said, Pat, I gotta tell you, I don't give a shit about taking a vaccine. Hell, I would take the vaccine. In a heartbeat, I would take the vaccine. What I have a problem with is the fact that it's forced upon me taking it. That's my problem. I'm an alpha.

Don't force me to take the vaccine. Give me the options, give me the out, I'll take it. Versus making me feel like an idiot if I don't want to take it. It's actually not a good marketing tactic. Dictators do that. Countries like Iran do that. Few other countries in a past did that,

that we know about. One of them was in Europe, I think it starts with the letter G, Germany, that things like that. Would they told you you better do it or else? Now America is doing this? What are we talking about? Yeah, yeah.

It's, it's, it's so strange. Did you see the social score stuff with PayPal too? That, that gets me. What was that? Social score with PayPal. So you know China has that social score. Okay. All right, where they basically implement. So people people that don't know like one of the big issues with communism Right no no private property you you get a house quote unquote from the bank of China and then the bank decides

It's not your house anymore your social scores too low. It's our house now. They just take it back It's it's there is this never a core so the social score is like you're posting the wrong things if you're if somebody if somebody said that you're You're having this conversation that is counter to party lines, they can... It's like an obedience score. Yes, it's a 100% obedience score. But with the ramifications being ruined, I gotta tell you, Euro-Bedian score is very low today.

So we're gonna be in a stable way. I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you, I know, I will die on divine disobedient to the day. I really don't care to hell with them. Well, we will go out swinging and I'm fine with it. But now PayPal is doing that as well. And they're working with government officials to root out extremist organizations

and people who profit in misinformation. So the government is not an hour government who operates almost exclusively in misinformation. Yeah. Is working with a private company who handles billions of dollars in transactions every minute. And they're going to root out extremism and misinformation, which is why I got I got a pushbacker and guys like you great dude got to know you're awesome, but when you call normal people in surgeons, you're feeding into that well, they're extremists, of course, they should have their transactions taken away. Number one, that's why they called them a PayPal mafia. Number two, are you actually trying to say the January six was just nice people hanging out at the January 6th was actually a coup. I don't know if it was a coup, but those were insurgents. Anyway, we don't need to go there.

Wait a minute. Insurgent means a coup. So do you think that was a coup? Do I think they were actually going to take over the government? Yeah. No, but they were trying to stop. It's called protesting. It was insurgent is a coup.

So there's a big difference. Okay. You want to say there's a contest. I call it whatever you want to go. No, no, no, no, no. It's very important. I'm saying that. That's not a good, that's not a good, very important. Like, it's never a good look to defend those people. Oh, it's very, very important.

It's not a good look to defend writers that are ruining businesses. I agree. I agree. But you have to realize there's a big difference between calling me an asshole and calling me a con man. There's a big difference between calling me an asshole and calling me a con man There's a big difference. I'm of course a domestic terrorist what I'm trying to tell you is you call somebody an asshole Okay, he's an asshole cool. You call him a con man. There's a big difference. Sure. We're a matter. Yeah So what I'm trying what I'm trying to tell you is there's a difference between saying those guys were Riding protesting looters. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Insurgents, cool.

Come on, Matthew. They said it's so, there's, there's words have worked. Fair enough. Yeah, don't pretend they were just good people. And they came in and blah blah blah. I don't know what they did. And what they did. But I think they were upset with the election.

They went out there and they did what the other protesters and what the business was. My biggest problem, it was all antifa. It was all BLM dressed up as they all butt magas that day. That happened. No, little bit. The point is now PayPal can use that. No, the key that happened. Yeah, the key is now PayPal can use that. The key is that that rhetoric is now being weaponized in very, very appreciable ways. That's why all of us, all of

us down here at the ground level, we have to band together. All of us down here at the ground level, have to band together, not agree with one another. We just have to agree in the reality of situations. So guys said right now, January 6th, Pat wasn't good, a police officer at that. Like, do you think we're saying it was good?

Like, again, that's the kind of stuff. Do you think the rioting and protesting in the streets was good when people died, when cops got shot up? Do you think that's good when folks on the other side did it? Like really? Do you think when I lived in Dallas five miles away from my house when the five cops got shot up from a guy up in the window? Do you think that's good? What is that all about? Is that a cool? Do you call that a cool? What do you call? Is that insurgents? No, that's just called pathetic is what you're doing. So January 6th is people that were pissed off, they went and did that, that's pathetic,

what was taking place. That wasn't a good thing, but to say it's a cool for marketing purposes, words have consequences. You have to be careful with the words that are being used. Anyways, okay, so let's go to the next story here. Number one story of business in Satter Yesterday. Philip Morris, how is that the number one story

of business in Satter, until apparently Gerrart that the number one story of business since until apparently Gerrard Tola, 7-11, came and took it away from them? Philip Morris, international CEO, says, secrets should be banned and the company will stop selling Marbrose and the UK within a decade. Business inside is stored. The CEO of Philip Morris, the maker of Marbrose secrets outside of the US, said his company will stop selling secrets in the UK within a decade. CEO, Jackick Olsak, said on Sunday that the move was part of the company's goal to become

smoke free and to help. And the use of traditional cigarettes, you also called on the U.K. government to outlaw cigarettes within a decade, comparing them to gas-empowered cars and they're set to be barred from being sold in a country starting in 2030. Philip Moore's International Separate from Philip Moore's USA, which makes Marbles in the U.S. Smoking kills more than 8 million people a year, according to a World Health Organization. Did you just hear that?

Smoking keeps, this is the most confusing story I've ever heard. So you're just shooting yourself in the foot and ruining your business model? Like, so basically you're saying, we're switching the weed, boys. That's like, what, what are you going on? What are you going on in on that weed? Yeah.

Jewels, this is big tobacco basically saying, guys, everything we've been doing for the last 100 years or so. My bad, my bad, smoking actually kills all the disclaimers and labels, go ahead and pay attention to those. What the hell's going on, Dr. Arthur? I'm gonna be frozen. And you used to dip. I'm gonna be for it.

Look, I had like a 12 year chewing tobacco habit, What the hell's going on? I'm gonna be frozen. And you used to dip. I'm gonna be for it. Look, I had like a 12 year chewing tobacco habit. And I gotta tell you, I valued my health, so I stopped. Oh man, is it good. Oh man, there's just nothing like throwing a little lipper in. And the morning getting yourself the morning paper and having your morning cost. I'm like, what trash, my name's Garard. How you doing?

Put a little li or a mule. I think it's funny. I think it's funny as hell that my kids are gonna grow up with legal weed and have to buy their tobacco from a drug dealer, man. You think people got stop smoking cigarettes? Is there anything? Yeah, I mean, I look, I'm sorry for the kids

they're listening to this. You guys can hate me all you want, but I was like, there's nothing better than after a couple beers on a Friday night having yourself a dart. You know, I'm just, it is what it is, man. I look, you can do the nadi spirits. It's, those are all natural.

It's basically like having a vegetable kids, but, no, listen, if you want to know anything about cigarettes, just watch, thank you for smoking. It's one of the best movies nobody's ever heard of. If you've never started smoking, don't do it. If you've never started chewing, don't do it. It is a dicting, but if you think tobacco is going away after all these years, I mean, literally,

tobacco was so powerful, the addiction was so powerful that an entire continent moved to another continent to farm it. Kai, go to pmy.com. Go to pmy.com. This is pmy.com. Okay, you go to pmy.com, it's international.com. You go to the bottom, pmy.com products sales

and over 180 markets. and many of these, we hold the number one or number two position by market share, six at the top, 15 international brands, and the world are ours. Right there, big bow, the number one cigarette brands since 1972. Okay, the Marble Man. So here's what I'm wondering, what products do they sell?

Look at the number right there, in 2019, Marble Volume outside the United States and China was 260 billion cigarettes Reinforcing its leadership position as the number one cigarette brand worldwide. I just want to know what's 30 cigarettes cigarettes a person What in the world by the way? What's his response to CEO that basically said we're stopped smoking? I love the analogy they made that cigarettes are now basically like the gas powered cars So they're going electric. So all right, there's some light bulbs should be going on. Everything's going electric.

Electric, now they're going jewel with it. It's all about the jewels. You will, you will own nothing. Yeah, be happy. It's all about the jewels or vapes. I was just at rolling loud this weekend. You wouldn't believe how many kids are vaping. Yeah.

Vade's a big hip hop house. Do you vape or no? No, I've never, no. If I'm gonna, if I'm gonna, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do the real thing. People don't know Adam Saus is actually 72 years old. Not a single wrinkle. Not a single wrinkle, he's actually 72.

Thank you, bro. Yeah, I'm a vampire. I'm gonna tell you what I'm talking about. Vampire. Have you, has anybody ever seen Pat and direct sunlight? No. He's been saying this. By the way, behind your back. He's been going about he go Yeah, what about you know sleep July 4th. We were at his house at barbecue. He was in the shade

I don't know. All right, so anyway, but maybe maybe just maybe they're gonna go in the weed direction They're getting out of those cigarettes go weed with it Look I go the different direction. I go. Okay. What's next is you know is lays gonna come out and be like look there's fried potatoes bad Bad thing. Here's a question for you. Let's let's judge a little bit. Is that okay? Let's judge a little bit Let's play the judgment. We just played the conspiracy game. Let's go to judge No, no, here we go. You ready? Let's judge Kai, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no They love they love Canada You're gonna win NHL game. You're right. Oh My are probably NHL fans I'm gonna be a hockey fan. Let's continue judging. Give me give me the profile of an NFL fan You're looking at him right here. There he is Checking his check in his fantasy football school. Hi, let me give you another one

Grown man Paul the scar is a big NFL. Let's let's continue. Give me the profile of somebody who watches tennis Oh Rob our style who watches tennis? They like they like headbands and long white socks. Yeah Daniel Daniela Daniela the Romanian. Yeah, okay, so let's let's go to them. Give me a profile of somebody who goes to every single nightclub five nights a week and listens to EDM 24 set up.

Yeah, them so, profile, profile of that guy. They're a guy or girl. I'm thinking girls. Okay, girls. We give you a profile. We give you who that person. They're a 25 year old bottle waitress type of a girl.

And, you know, they like wearing hyper colors and they're down to party Okay, give me the profile of somebody Give me the profile of somebody who's a hardcore crypto Bitcoin like it's all about cryptocurrency Give me the profile who is the person whether they like also me David. Thank you. Who there are? Young man in their 20s ish-ish that hasn't really made real money yet. Okay. Give me the profile of somebody who drinks Jose Cuevo tequila. Oh.

Bump, bump, bump. Who is that? I'm looking at a power of it. They're older tequila drinkers. Okay. Young people aren't you I would say Ricardo can take Ricardo I can drink Jose Cuervo and not even get buzzed. I give me the profile of somebody who drinks Louis the what is it?

13? What have Louis the 13? I don't know any of those people Pat. You're gonna have to answer that one So somebody rich Europeans rich Europeans fair because you know some of those guys you party with those guys expensive a profile of a pot head who smokes weed every day It's just the 10th is it the guy who plays guitar on hothead yeah a pot of the smokes weed every day long hair What does he look like what does he look like? You know they smoked in college and he's got a weird beard going on a weird beard going on like a ratty beard maybe

okay no way all right so so let's continue give me the profile what we're doing is being prejudiced I'm about to get to the one big of it give me the profile of somebody who smokes cigarettes they got a raspy voice they're my, they were just born in China. That smokes a pack of day. Give me a profile of somebody that smokes a pack of day. 60, 60, 70 year olds that have smoked since they were 12.

Yeah, they've been smoking for 30 years. Leathery skin. Yeah, they get, look like a catchers mitt. Use car, old use car hands, hands feel weird. You have a shaker, shake their hands like hands feels like a dry skin. They got a, they got sandpaper. Like European, European. so if you know European smokers a lot different than American smoke

You're being there you'll have a drink and a smoke is good look at my baguette and my little front 2T3 Yeah, yeah Okay, there you go. So I mean listen there's Okay, there you go. So, I mean, listen, there's, shh, get profile of a cigar smoker. What's the smoker? Yeah, a matzipala. But what is a profile of a cigar smoker?

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I understand wheat, I don't understand cigarettes. Let me say something. Let me say something. Please, I understand smoke of pack of day. What I don't, what I don't understand about cigarettes are daytime smokers. Where you're're waking up you're having a like listen It's got some helicopter salesman car salesman helicopter fingertips yellow Listen, I will say this guys is Pat. I'm smoking cigarettes drinking beer and watching this podcast

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The first time I smoked a cigarette was to impress a girl. OK. How old were you? Seven? Or what was your age? I was, I just turned 10 now. I like to see.

Two years ago, for people that don't know, that was funny. I will say this, I'm not encouraging smoking. But if the fella's out there want an easy layup move to get, you know, if a girl's sitting there, and she's sharing a cigarette, you're not your share, you're going back and forth,

it's in your mouth, it's in her mouth, you guys are sharing a cigarette. I'm just saying, if you're gonna do it, it's in her mouth, it's in my mouth, who knows what's going on. I wasn't going there, I'm just saying that it is a body. It is in her mouth. It's in my mouth. Who knows what's going on? I wasn't going there I'm just saying that that is a bottom is what we're learning a lot about you today What about the hookah smoker? What are what's gonna happen to the hookah smokers man?

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Bro. Okay, so we did a little prejudice and a little profile. There's this for real. Mental, this was kind of cool. We got a little bit Sorry, if we offended out of the system here today Let's somehow what JP Morgan is doing very offensive what they're doing over there. So here we go Graduates should expect to work 12 hour days six days a week to really master their job says JP Morgan executive a business insider story Graduate well management analyst should expect to work 72 hours a week and doubly better trained

for according to Mary Callahan, Erdos, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase's asset and wealth management division based on the idea that it takes roughly 10,000 hours to gain, based on a mastery of something, it's going to take around five years if somebody works 80 hour, eight hour days, five days a week, she said. On Wall Street, it takes, it's more like 12 hour days,

six days a week, that cuts you down to about two and a half years before you master it, something. I love the fact that they're just open about it. In 2013, an intern of Bank of America, Merrill Lynch's London office died of a seizure while it was conclusive, and in quest concluded that overwork could have contributed to 21-year-old more its airtot is dead. Unfortunate story, obviously, there. But the fact that the CEO is openly saying, if you want to make it, it's 12-hour days,

six days a week to cut down the mastering the skill set in half the time, two and a half years, Adam, your thoughts on this? I'm totally okay with this, as long as it's full disclosure for you to get the job. Think about who's taking these jobs. Very established, you know, you think somebody's taking this job, not knowing those who are out. No, it's I'm saying they know this. No, no, no, don't take the job. Exactly. Yeah. Look, why are you

taking this job? Because you want to make money. You want to make money. Yeah, it's a tough job. So if you're saying that it typically takes five years to do this now you can do this in two and a half years You graduate your 22 your 23 by the time you're 25 you put in the Crazy hours your 25 you made money you're you're an expert. I believe it was Malcolm Gladwell that says you need to put in 10,000 hours To be an expert at something and if you can do it in half the time and by the time you're 25 You're an established expert in a field by the time you're 25, you're an established expert in a field. By the time you're 30, you have a multi-million in the bank,

I think a lot of people would wanna do this. Yes, you're sacrificing your early 20s. And yes, there's burnout and burnout is real. But you know what you're getting yourself into if that's a job you're taking. I call bullshit. I think it's nonsense that you're gonna take your lowest wage employees, grind

them into dust. Whoever makes it, whoever doesn't, wasn't worth it. You know, meanwhile, Jamie Dimons getting another freaking billion dollars or whatever they're giving him. But these are the lowest wage employees. These are right out of college. These are lowest wage people, right? These are, these are, these are wealth management analysts. These are not your, your local interns. So this is not the first start at the bottom of the food chain. Well, they're starting out at the bottom in the wealth management sector. Look, I think these are people that anybody who graduated from Harvard Business School,

I would say this. I would say this. If there's work to do, do the work. What I don't like is, I've been in environments where the culture is, we're there from eight to eight, and then people sandbag Their way through the day not doing work because they think they're gonna be their old day And it's what we'd baseball we used to call eye wash Eye wash is like when people just sit there doing nothing until they think the coach is watching and then they start shuffling the papers

And it's like oh, I'm doing work work work work look at me work so hard. No like look if you have work to do do work Now I don't I didn't come up in the financial industry. I came up in creative. So it was the exact opposite for us. We just you got paid for a project. And the best directors, the best producers that I was on, it was like, hey, we got the project done if we got all our shots, get out of here. We're not getting paid by the hour. Like it's in that case, it's a race. You know, when you do a commercial and you've got two days and you've got, you know, essentially 20 hours to shoot days. And then if you get done by 16 hours, you've got all your shots and you've got all your pickups and everything like that, you're paying your crew extra.

So when it's up happening, the same crew comes back multiple times and they get better and better and better and more efficient at their job because they know if I do my job and I do it, well, we're getting out of here. I don't have to be here till midnight tonight. I'm gonna get out of here at eight o'clock. So I've seen it from the other side.

If you guys, I haven't been in that position. So I should, I shouldn't have had such a, a strong opinion on that from the beginning. I do apologize for that. But if there is 12 hours worth of work to do, do the work. Compete, I'm all for that. But if you're just setting an environment where this is,

this is not the environment where you're sitting around. Buddy, let me put it. Is this like paper for sure? Sure, you, you, you're, it's a little bit of a reach, but I get it. Your world, your reign, your world is not the environment where you're sitting around buddy. Let me put it. It's a little bit of a reach But I get it your world you're in your world is not This world your world the world is project base you go finish the project you're done I get it. That's the optics. That's the part you're in in this world If you're gonna sit around the 12 hours at the office and do nothing. You will be fired in 90 days.

This is not a job for you, bro. Morgan Stanley Dean, what are your first year? This isn't all one when I got the job 20 years ago. If you didn't bring $10 million, your first year in, you're fired. If you didn't pass your Series 7 the first time, not second, third time. Morgan Merrill Goldman, you have to pass it the first time. You don't, you're fired, right? If you don't pass it the first time, you're fired. If you don't get 10 million dollars, you're first of your fired. There is no time to sit around and shoot the shit and look at Instagram videos all day long and

TikTok and Twitter with, Twitter videos. You do that. It's over with. You have to go out their network. You have to go out their shake hands. You have to go out there in the morning. You have to go out there to the country club. You have to drive the appointments. You have to go out there network, you have to go out there shake hands, you have to go out there in the morning, you have to go out there to the country club, you have to drive the appointments, you have to do anything and everything it takes to be a winner in this job. So what does that 12 hours look like? What does that 12 hours look like? It's nonstop, you're either prospecting, you're either looking for clients, you're either

networking, you have to be around your head. Or you're analyzing, you're doing data analytics, you're learning about what's going on, you're studying everything in the market, what's going on, you're studying the papers, you're doing data analytics. You're learning about what's going on. You're studying everything in the market. What's going on? You're studying the papers. You're trying to see what this analyst is saying. What that analyst is saying. What's in official? Buy what's a hold?

What's a sell? What just change categories? Who got a better rating? Whose quarterly calls coming up? Let me see what this guy's going to be doing. But most of this job is shaking hands being in front of people. Are you actually managing the wealth?

My understanding was that there were programs, like there's a Goldman fund that you go into and you get into this and you get it. So why would I go with, for example, okay, why would I go with JP Morgan instead of Western Mutual? Why would I go? You're gonna, everybody here brags that they have the best money manager,

they have the best fund, they have the best, whatever. So you're gambling where you're putting your money with. Goldman's gonna say we're the best because you are able to participate in certain things that others are not. Like Goldman says, to get into Goldman to have an account with them to manage your money, it's 10 million dollars.

Yeah, I was gonna say, it's 10 million. You can be, this is Goldman doesn't let you get in with less than 10 million. You're not doing the $10,000 buy-in That's Bank of America. Goldman is going to be the $10 million client. But if you were Goldman, here's what happens with Goldman. You want an IPO to participate in Uber before anybody else does that?

Yeah, you can go in. How much you want to put in? Half a million? Great. You can go in because you're part of the Goldman family. Those types of opportunities comes to you. But you know how many total advisors Goldman has? How many thing Goldman has? Maybe under 500 400 go 400 that is all Goldman's Goldman Sachs is United States of world. What in US Goldman Sachs's Office in Dallas is half the size of this office. Tennis state

They have ten and well, they have four hundred financial advisors is what they have. That is it. To get a job with Goldman. There's probably a lot more in California than New York. You have to be the president of the state of the country. You have to be the cream of the crop. Now, if you make it at Goldman five years later, minimum, seven figure under. If you're there ten years and you're a killer, you can make five, ten, fifteen, twenty. You can make money if you had a place, you can make 5, 10, 15, 20, you can make money if you had a place like that, but is it easy to make it and stay there?

Absolutely not. So again, if you wanna, we look at sports and you're like, okay, to get to the next level, it takes a lot, okay, four questions. Are you clear on what you wanna do with your life, your dreams, your goals? Number one, most people are not. I asked this question last week in Dallas.

How many of you are clear? Everybody's hands went up. That's a great. I asked this question last week in Dallas. How many of you are clear? Everybody's hands went up. That's a great. I might ask a question one more time. How many of you guys are so clear by your dreams and goals that if I bring you up on stage, you can recite it to everybody in 20 seconds. This is what happened.

A thousand people in the room, 50 hands are up. It was 800 hands up when I asked it openly. Then when there was a commitment to you coming and presenting it to everybody else, their hands went up. That's okay, great. So mostly you guys don't even know what your dreams and goals are.

I know what it is to be there. I've been there before as well. Number two, let's just say you know what your dreams and goals are. Do you know how demanding that dream or goal is to become a reality? So person says what? Yes or what?

No, I don't know how demand. I want to do this. I don't know how long it can take. Don't know how demand it gets. Oh, yeah, I want to do this. Like some people don't know how to man to get it. Oh, yeah, I want to make a million here. Do you really know what it takes? Like we talked about know it takes a job. You know how demanding it is to be that person.

It's a lot of work. The greatest of the greatest comedians that I read about and I go see what they did. They freaking had no life for five, 10 years. They went out and it's like, maniacal. It's not the best life. The people who went and played in a military and guys made it to the top,

dude, they were doing correspondence afterwards. I wasn't doing correspondence afterwards. Matter of fact, I can tell you, there's 20,500 years in a military. I've never taken one correspondence class. My buddy took correspondence classes. He retarded as a Delta Force. I got out as an E4.

I was not taking military seriously, so I didn't have like, hey, I'm going to go to correspondence. So let me go back at it. How clear are you about your dreams and goals? Number one, number two, how demanding is that dream? Like if it's to win an Emmy, if it's to win an Oscar, how demanding is that? Number three is the tough question that everybody secretly answers that nobody knows. You know what the question is? Are you willing to meet the demand required to have your dreams and goals and vision become a reality? And most the answer is what? Secretly they say what?

I'm just not willing to do it. I'd much rather go home and party. And the last one is the following, and then I'm going to turn it over to you. The last one is, when you sit there, you close your eyes, and you dream about whatever your vision is, whatever your dream is to become a reality, you're by yourself when you think about it, does it get you emotional?

Does it get you fired up? Does it get you to say, oh my gosh, like you get the chills all over your body? If it doesn't, it's not really that big of a dream. You know who I think of when, as you're explaining this story, the last great interview ever did with Kobe Bryant. Like this is exactly the blueprint

that he probably lived by, right? And my clear on what I wanna be, I wanna be an NBA superstar, yes. Do I know how demanding this is gonna be? Oh, yes, you wasn't with me when I was shooting in the gym By the way, and he checked all those bars. I have a famous, but I have a I have a hard time who Alan Iverson yeah Okay, great. So bring that up fantastic. So go there. You ready? Go there Every time you move up there is a next level you may be the best player at YMCA league Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday

league. You crush everybody. You're the you're the rocks and when you leave people are taking pictures with you. That's me. And then and then you go play at an LA fitness league 8 a.m. in the morning, 7 a.m. in the morning. You're a nobody. But let's just say you eventually get so competitive that you play good at the LA fitness place. Then you go play against college basketball players and then you're nobody. Then let's just say you get good enough the LA fitness place. Then you go play against college basketball players and then you're nobody. Then let's just say you get good enough to play for college. Then all of a sudden you have what it takes

to go into the NBA. You actually doing some, you wanted to the final four, you made a name for yourself. You go into the NBA. Then all of a sudden you're like, dude, I'm just a frickin' different game. These guys have so much quicker. Next level, next level.

Then you get good enough to be an all-star. Now you go into the all-star game. Then you're good enough to go into the playoffs. Then you go into the finals. Then you see the other guy handles pressure better than you do. He's a champion. You were a 14 year MBA veteran, but the guy won a championship you didn't. There's always the next level at every level.

And the next level at every level is more demanding. There are people that eventually say, I'm just not going to go at this level. I'm just not. I'm'm just not gonna go at this level. I'm just not. I'm just not gonna go at this level. By the way, and I'm fully convinced, Gerard, this mindset is applicable to every industry. I am convinced in Hollywood, the guys who eventually become the Steven Spielbergs

of the world, while everybody else is going out there celebrating hardcore party, and I'm convinced those guys got them to work on their next script. I'm convinced those guys got them to already looking at the next thing. Almost every single person I've studied who made it at the highest level, you know, the similar answers, like, what's your favorite movie ever made? You know what they say? I haven't made it yet. The next one.

What's your favorite championship? The next one. Oh, say? I haven't made it yet. The next one. What's your favorite championship? The next one. Oh, like, do I tell him Brady just now? The point is, it's like, my favorite ring is the one that I haven't gotten yet. Versus, the people always like, well, let me tell you, man, back in 1993,

when I did XYZ, that's the problem. Al Bundy scored four touchdowns for both. That's the problem. So in the world of competition, yes, you wanna get, by the way, just so everybody knows, so everybody knows this DEI, you know, diverse, equity and inclusive. The person who said these words,

just, let me reread it. The person who said these words, her name, not his name, her name is Mary Callahan Erdos, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase, Assetton and wealth management division. Her name. So this is not if it's a he or a she. She says to make it requires 12 hours a day, six days a week, to make it a two and a half years.

She says that. This is not like a bunch of men that are making other men work hard on all this other stuff. No. is that. This is not like a bunch of men that are making other men work hard and all this other stuff. No, by the way, I've sat with women in the financial industry. Let me tell you, some of the most impressive people I've ever sat across, beasts, beasts. You sit there, they will eat your lunch and they're intimidating. They're so solid because they can compete in this league. Men fear these women. So it's not about, this isn't about sex, this isn't about color, this isn't about any. This is about, are you willing to pay the price

to be the cream of the crop in your industry? How bad do you want it? Are you willing to meet the demand? And I'm telling you Gerard, I'm telling you, 99% of the time, you can eventually hit a level that you can either say, I'm content with a amount of what we produce with a product. And in that moment is a breaking point to say, you're gonna go a little bit more,

because the other guy's gonna go a little bit more. You're gonna go a little bit more, like, you know. You do this thing, you do this visualization. That's the one, always. The next level, you're always at the bottom of the next level. Everybody's always at the bottom of the next level. All of us. You basically had this conversation with Shaq, right?

I mean, more or less. So. With Kobe, but Shaq doesn't want to have this conversation, but the whole idea was. Well, when he said how great would Shaq be if he had your work ethic? He'd be the best player of all time. Shaq said it's the dumbest question anyone's ever asked. And the DME was pissed off and he blocked me. So Shaq, come on the podcast.

Let's work this thing out, all right? The guy, again, though, multiple time, champion, hall of favor, business icon. You know, there's, I guess, okay, I don't disagree with anything you've said. I disagree with nothing that you've said, but just to give, I don't know, another opinion, all right? I've seen guys that do want it too bad, and they think it's all they think about,

and they obsess about it, and they go, I was one of those guys, especially, it's all you think about and they obsess about it and then and they go I Was one of those guys, especially. It's all you think about It's everything and then when when the wheel breaks a little bit it breaks all the way like when there's a little crack It cracks all the way that I think that there has to be some sort of to me It's like a Ferrari right you can take the best car in the world. And if you keep it in the red, the whole time, and you push, push, push, push, it's the best car in the world.

It's gonna explode. No one's ever said that. No one's ever said that. By the way, that is a misconception right there, Gerard. So let me take you back. When you hear stories like that of a person that gave everything and they still did a make it, it is such a discouraging story for young kids

that are sitting there saying, effort, why am I gonna give my best. It is such a discouraging story for young kids that are sitting there saying, eff it, why am I gonna give my best? It's a very discouraging story. Let me explain to you. Try and use worth it. No, okay, for sure. Now it's a different story, but let me give you the other side.

We will rarely talk about our F-Ops on why we did a make it to the next level. We will rarely talk about our F-Ops, why we did a make it to the next level. Rarely, one day Mario's talking to me and I love watching Mario Play Soccer. I mean, talking to me, and I love watching Mario play soccer. I mean, if Mario plays, I wanna watch his guy play soccer. You guys got calves for days.

Not just calves for days, I just like watching him play. You know what he said to me the other day? He said, you know what, one of my biggest fears in life is, he says, one of my biggest fears in life is the fact that I can't ever play soccer again. Can you imagine this guy says, one of my biggest fears in life is that I can't play the game I love playing

this is him so He tells a story says one time I'm in junior or whatever. I mean sophomore. What does 10th grade? Whatever 10th is this freshman or freshman is not right sophomore is 10th grade Okay, sophomore's secret. So he says I'm in sophomore right now and I'm playing for the varsity team and he's kicking out He's doing a great. I think he's the captain of team whatever and there's this moment where the coach is challenging him and he talks back. And he just publicly goes after what he called it, his coach. And the coach pulls him aside and he says,

you know what? You just messed up everything. You're off the team, you're never gonna get playing time with me, okay? And he says, I'm like, I quit, I give up. And he left. So then you hear that story and you say okay It's probably not a story you want to tell publicly, but Mars told that story publicly, right? Here's what I did

Those stories we all have I have those stories where I was at when I'm coming up I'm a six four and a half guy What do you mean you didn't play any kind of organized sports? I have my own stories what I didn't want to do Everybody has those stories, but sometimes when you're saying a guy doesn't make it to the, he gave everything he did that, he did that. Sometimes one to me is you just don't have the talent to play at that level. That's number one. Which is true.

Which is very true. Some people do max out what they have. Pro. First of all, you played semi pro baseball. What are you talking about? Like what percentage of the freaking kids at a high school ever play college, let alone semi pro?

Maybe you hit the shit out of a fast ball. You could hit a curve ball. Like a time job. Time jobs were the other day telling me, times like, yeah, I took Gerrard to baseball game. This is Tom's commentary on taking Gerrard to baseball game. It says, I take Gerrard to baseball game. And which was awesome.

Thank you. He said, we go to baseball game. It's a pitching goal, which he loves. And he says, we go to a place and the guys throw on pitches and they're allowing people to hit. So Gerard goes in and grabs a bat. He says, uh, you're going to let me use this metal band. And the guy says, yeah, you sure. Yeah. Okay. Nobody knows who he is. They're just kind of like another guy that's coming. He's trying to hit our baseball. So the guy starts pitching. Tom's like, Gerard look like an MLB player.

Everybody was shell shocked with how beautiful Gerard was hitting the ball. On the field or this isn't a bad occasion. He says he was killing it. People like who is this guy? Meaning. So white Cecil Field. White Cecil Field. What's the most homerunce you ever hit in a season?

Fifty one. Fifty one. Yeah. Yeah, 51. So anyways. I could see you being a Sezl fielder. So, but the point is there's a little bit of talent. Junior. There's a little bit of talent. There's a little bit of attitude. There's a little bit of ego.

There's a little bit of you're not coachable. There's a little bit of nobody tells me what to do. There's a little bit of you're pre-Madonna of who you were in the high school because sometimes when a kid knows from 10th grade he's going to be an MLB, that's actually a bad thing. Like you know the kid that knows, like this guy's gonna be an MLB, somebody needs to say.

Like Le Brown when he was going on the MB. Well, you shut, you're right, you just shut off. I'll do it, bro, don't listen. You don't listen. You're like, dude, I know what are you talking about? You're just a $60,000 all your teacher. What do you know? I'm gonna be a freaking multi-million dollar contract.

You have that absolute arrogant, no one wants to coach you. No one's, my guy guys in a company right now, we've had a lot of different people in the company, right? The number one earner's not the most talented guy in the company and they say it, they say it. One of the best things I've ever heard in a history basketball was they asked who's the guy that came up with Triangle Offense as a tech winner?

It's a tech winner. Tech winner who taught Phil Jackson about the triangle offense. So the enemy text winner, they say text. You've been this league for a long time. Says a long time. Long time. 50 years, yes, a long time. Who did you coach that knew the most about basketball?

He says, oh, that's easy. He said, who? He said Jordan Farmer. It's a Jordan Farmer. It's my boy. It's a Jordan Farmer. It's my boy. He says He said Jordan Farmer. It's a Jordan Farmer. It's my boy. It's a Jordan Farmer. He said, why Jordan Farmer?

He says because you couldn't teach the guy anything. He knew it all. Oh man. Think about that analogy. In business. Jordan, if you're listening to sales, this is text. You see what I mean? And by the way, I like this game when he was under Lakers.

Yeah. I like this game. And he won a plate in China or Europe. I don't know where he played. And he came back and he actually recovered. He ended up having a, the tail end of his career was good. I think there's more to a story than just, okay, so let me ask this, okay?

How do you reconcile those two things and then come back and find that next gear? If you feel like you've gotten as far as you can go, I put the work in. I've done as much as I can and I've done the best I can. How do you then find that next year? In another career or in that specific sport,

you're still in or business. Should you shoot? Well, what do you think? Should you leave and create something else? So here's what I tell you, what I would do. Is number one, like for me, in July of 2009, I said, we're gonna have a half a million licensed agents by 2029.

That's a pretty crazy vision to cast. At that time, we had like 66 agents when we started a company in September of 2009. And I said, we're gonna have a half a million licensed agents. Crazy, 29, 30 years old, fine. Insane, but why did I say it? At first, when I got into sales, I'm working at Bally's. I'm sitting, I'm like, dude, I suck at sales.

I'm jarred, I was de-worth sales person. I'm the best guy, best in shape guy at the gym. I can sell one membership. You can't be worse than the guy at LA fitness. Yeah, I cannot be. Four weeks goes by, eight weeks ago, I go to Cisco, I said, Cisco, I'm gonna go back into the army. I suck.

And so what do you mean? It's I suck. He said, before you quit, just give it one more month. I said, you have to realize, I'm the worst salesman in here. He says, go and sell memberships at the mall. I said, let me get the straight. I can't sell memberships at a gym with equipment here. You want to go sell memberships at a mall. He said, I want you to go

to Foxy's mall. Just go to Foxy's mall. So I go to Foxy's mall. And I'm behind the desk, you know, escalators behind me, people are walking, I would not leave here. But the best guys were always there. I was always in the back. Okay. So I noticed this guy's sound like screwed. I'm going gonna go to the front. I go to the front. I sell my first membership. Got girl comes. Never forget this girl. Nice as girl. $75.32 a month. Corporate contract. I'm like, I sold the contract. I sold the member. I'm not going back to the army. I was so excited.

This 21-year-old came like finally sold the damn membership, right? So September of 2019, 1999, I'm 20 years old, right? 30 days goes by, I break the record, I become the rookie of the month, and then I come back and I become a manate, anyways, things start taking off for me. Then I get into the insurance space. It was confidence, it was what you needed. Confidence came back up, then I'm like,

but I'm still party and I'm still distracted, I'm still all this other stuff. Then I go into the insurance, I'm like, this is getting hard, I don't think this is for me. So you get past that phase, then everybody's, then you start making money, then you start winning, then everybody starts telling you how amazing you are. You're freaking ridiculous.

Bro, one of the greatest drugs, one of the greatest drugs that's not even a drug is flattery. Flattery ruins women, men and athletes and business people. You're so amazing, you're better than your dad, you're better than this, you're better than like, that kind of stuff when people say, this division is like dead, you know, so you become that cocky, so the words,

I got lucky where people said other things to me, behind closed doors, okay? I got lucky. They would say the opposite. It's like, well, we'll see, a lot of guys have come and they've collapsed. A lot of guys have come and they've ruined their careers because of that, that, that, that. A lot of guys have come and they've collapsed. A lot of guys have come and they've ruined their careers because of that, that, that.

A lot of guys have come up like you and they've done this. That's what I needed. I feared losing it all and I heard that messaging. So now you get two person that says, okay, I get two points. I don't make it. What do I do at a level like that? Number one, I would get serious counsel. Like the fighter, Mickey tells Dicky, ma,

stop acting like Dicky's gonna fight again He's 40 years old stop relying to him. He's never gonna fight again. Our truth Heart truth from people that love you that you know they're not gonna like you. It's not easy to do It's got to be behind closures you and them then based on that you can rely on one It's got to be through your four because they got to give you different perspective and then at that point You got to make that decision and move on. And you'll get, if you get a feeling that this is what it is, now,

here's the other part, some people will hear this message, they will only go talk to the people that they know they're gonna tell them to move on. I had a guy that told me, looking for a way out. Looking for a way out. One of the guys I'm consulting,

the Stanfields, they have a pizza shop, love these guys. They call me and they say, hey Pat, yes. We have made a decision we're moving on from the pizza business. We're gonna go into a different industry. So really? So yeah, were you on it or not? Did you hear my conversation with that? It's a really you're moving on. Say, yeah, tell me why. Oh, we just know we're gonna do better on different businesses. So okay, interesting. I said let me ask you a question.

Is it because you think you're gonna do different things in a different industry? Or do you think this thing got really, really hard and you just kinda wanna throw in the towel? Well, no, I think it's because we wanna move to a different industry. I said, can I ask you guys a question, and see, I pay a lot of money to me on a monthly basis. Why are you bullshitting me?

What's the point of you bullshitting me? Like, you're paying me. Like, what are you trying to impress me? Don't try to impress me. Just tell me, what do you guys talk about later night and bed? How much do you hate your current business because of how hard it is? And they look at each other and he says,

just tell them, just tell them. And she says, Pat COVID was hard. Selling pizza during COVID was hard. It's the hardest thing we ever did. I said, what happened to you guys? Tell them, you nine months ago, you guys wanna build a franchise, doing $30 million a year

and all of a sudden you were discouraged nine months later? What happened to you? I said, here's how I work when it comes down to marriage. You guys want to get a divorce. I said I believe in divorce. I'm not one that says you know what is a call the uh uh uh you know anyways this stuff you know to death is part all the stuff. I do think sometimes marriage does make sense. My parents got a divorce best decision they made to get into divorce. Before you get a divorce 12 12 therapy sessions together with a therapist. Six by yourself. If after that, you guys are still convinced you guys got to go out and throw in the towel, guess what?

Go get the divorce. And you gave it a shot. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So meaning before you say, oh, it's not going to work yet. I'm going to go to the next business because the guy asked me a question this last week It's a say what do you say to the insurance agent that struggling? He's been having a hard time last two years. I said listen

You're either struggling because you're not working You're either struggling because you're attitude sucks You either struggling because you're not getting better because the language or you're struggling because You just knew we're in the business and you haven't hit the five-year marker struggling because you just knew her in the business and you haven't hit the five year marker. Stick around five years, five years later, give your best. If you're not making the kind of money you want in a lifestyle you have, then consider moving on. But if you do it after 18 more months, what do you know about this industry?

You don't have to get. So there's a combination. It's such, there is no black and white answer to it. I've seen some people that have such a big upside. Go talk to somebody that they know they're going to say say, oh baby, this is too much work for you. Go home, you should take a break, this is too stressful. That guy, all he cares about is money. And they ruined the guy's life,

and now he's broke the living with mommy and daddy. So it's very important who you go into and talk to when you're all the way at the decision-making point, relationship or career. Yeah, I've heard you used to tell this story before, and you talked about who's in your ear, and what they're saying and Flattery and all that you've said something to the effect of

When your top guys are killing it. That's when you kind of bring them back down to earth or when someone's struggling That's when you kind of build them up. You've said this before right like if someone's killing it They had their best six months of their life or whatever. You don't be like bro. You're the killing it. You're the man You say hey, so tell us about that. Yeah, it's a mistake when a guy's killing it. You don't be like, bro, you're the killing it, you're the man. You say, hey, so tell us about that. Yeah, it's a mistake when a guy's killing it, you don't over build them up. Because, you know, the one thing goes when you win

and you make money or you're winning in sports, business, life, and anything, the moment you start winning paranoia goes away. Yeah, when you start believing the high-striking you're on your own, you're on a paranoia goal. It is so motivating factor. It is so dangerous when paranoia goes away. Hey, man, you just won.

Literally, you won two in a row. Last night, I left the general, I'm like, I gotta get back to the office, man. I'm like, she's good. I got a phone call. I was like, I gotta get back. But we talked about this before, and this brings this whole thing full circle, man, was I played with a lot of dudes,

and it's crazy, because I see it now as like a second wave of my life I see it now with dudes that have been in creative industry and the guys that have been in their life I Think people you talked about party and losing focus. I think some people seek that out on purpose because it's easier for me to say I didn't make it because I started drinking, I didn't make it because I started drinking. Well, I didn't make it because, oh man, I got into the girls. Yeah, it's way easier to say if only I hadn't drank than dude, I just wasn't.

If I didn't have that ankle injury, no one wants to excuse. No one wants to say, yeah, I did it. And I just wasn't doing it. But you seek it out just in case like Simone Biles. Like I don't know anything about Simone Biles from a wall, but she's a champion. Maybe she thought, man, I just don't have it this time.

Anxiety or COVID or something. This, this, we, it's better for me to back out with an excuse than it is for me to not win gold. I can't see me as anything other than a champion. Why, yeah, you know what's the crazy thing? I don't know if that's true, but we will never know. Because there are certain things alive, we will never tell the truth to the world,

to say face. There are certain questions you will never, ever know the answer to that question. Never. There are a lot of decisions that we make and we're very good at acting as if we made the right decision to protect our egos and protect our position. We're pros at it. Every one of us in the world is pro at this. This isn't like you're better than another person than another person. And every once in a while, if you can show to humane side that I effed up and I wish I would have done something differently, then people realize you're human and they relate to you. We all want to be able to do that, but it's so hard.

Full of abilities really hard. It's so hard to do. Especially like the memes that go around. Like everything's fine. Everything's fine. That's what we see here. Anyways, we hit on the clock. By the way, one of my favorite podcasts. This was actually a very good podcast.

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