PBD Podcast - “I’d Die For It Today” - Ex Navy SEALs Reveal Truth About Osama Bin Laden & Future of War | PBD Podcast | Ep. 573

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

Navy SEALs DJ Shipley and Cole Fackler join Patrick Bet-David to discuss war stories, Bin Laden’s death, Seal Team culture, sacrifice, marriage, and the mental discipline it takes to serve at the highest level. Raw, unfiltered, and powerful insights from real warriors.------Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH DJ SHIPLEY: https://bit.ly/4lpjgVC Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH COLE FACKLER: https://bit.ly/42ABsUF 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l⁠⁠⁠⁠📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Now I've never said that on camera. Really? Do you remember where you were when we heard that Osama Bin Laden was caught? Conducted an operation. He was killed. Killed Osama Bin Laden. May 2nd, 2011. And then we hear the story that the body's being dumped in the middle of the ocean.

And if you do that, you end up making him a martyr even more and growing his following even more. Like, look what he sacrificed for the cause. Was it ever a point where it was so close that if this thing happens and this triggers this, we could be in a World War III overnight? Potentially. Potentially. I want to believe that our military is already ready for the 2045 war, not the 2025 war. What new threats are we going to have five, ten, fifteen, twenty years from now?

We've seen it. Terminator. When I heard that, I'm like, it's a little weird. I'm seen it. Terminator. When I heard that, I'm like, it's a little weird. I'm questioning it. And I'll be honest, Trump can't this when we were on the ramp getting ready to go. He solved it however he does, whatever he does. He called and literally stopped us on the ramp.

Who would love to be on those phone calls just to hear what he says? He'd break the internet. I hate when people badmouth the president. There is something special about fighting for American freedom. How was it for you with your father? He was a seal so was he gone all the time and you still had a relationship with them gone

But it still made you want to be a seal. What's the only thing you know? What is it with this? Occupation that makes it so difficult to keep your marriage intact You can take that one unless you mean in town long enough to get in a fight, then go out of town and forget about it. MySpace ruined DJ's life. MySpace ruined DJ's life? That's what happened to me, dude. The way you're talking. I feel I'm something so it tastes sweet victory. I know this life meant for me.

Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a 101? My son's right there. I think I've never said this before. I'm the one. How you doing?

All right, listen, we're getting started. We started off with, you know, when you're on military guys, they're typically shit talkers, jokes, prank the whole night. But anyways, today we have a special treat podcast DJ Shipley and Cole Fackler. And you're not brothers just to make that clear, right? Kind of. As far as we know. As far as we as we know might as well be might as well be right grew up in the same area I mean separated a couple miles from each other's high school joining Navy at the same time How long have you guys known each other since what age?

So since 18 yeah, but you guys didn't know each other, and you grew up two miles apart? About 20 or so, I mean, we met in Buds, and we, weirdly enough, had a very mirroring career the entire time. Were you guys typically stationed at the same place, or no? Same team, same command, same everything. So that's the part that's like SEAL Team 10, 17 years,

like same hat, same watch, like best buds outside. I mean, obviously buds is one thing, but best of buds as well, friends and in business together. Roommates, been each other's best man multiple times now. Thanks to Cole. You've been mine twice. You know, I had to try a couple out. But you kind of got it down now.

You feel pretty confident about this one? Yeah, she's actually outlasted both of them combined. Really? So what is it with that, by the way? My friend was, when I was in the Army, I wanted to go, I interviewed at 18 Delta, to be in 18 Delta at Fifth Group at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. And I wanted to go with Sears and go to DLI

because I spoke five languages So they said you're gonna go to you know, Fort or that's where the DLI was back in the days, you know They called it. What was it called the planet or something like that, right? I think it was in Carmel and So the orders come back I decide to get out he gets the orders he leaves he ends up becoming Delta for 12 years loves it the project operations all this stuff. I don ends up becoming Delta for 12 years, loves it, the project operations, all this stuff. I don't talk to him for many years, I thought something happened to him, finally we link up, he tells me what's going on, I said let's meet up, we go to Madrid, we meet at El Clasico,

soccer match between Messi and Ronaldo. And I think at the time when I met him, he was on a stirred marriage. What is it with this occupation that makes it so difficult to keep your marriage intact? You can take that one unless you'll make a surrender. I barely squeak by. I mean, I think the schedule is super challenging. Normally you're gone at least 300 days a year. Over, probably. We're terrible at communicating,

great at bottling everything up, in town long enough to get in a fight, then go out of town, forget about it. In town long enough to get into a fight with your wife and then you leave. Yeah, yeah, so you never settle anything. You just kind of rinse and repeat. And I think, again, the schedule,

our entire time in the military was all war so you're losing friends that kind of stress you're a single mom working mom and you kind of travel like a rock star so you you travel like a rock star while they're behind well I, when 20 of us that look like us walk into a bar, it tracks my attention. Okay, so, because when I went through the recruiting, the guy said to me, he says, go interview three guys before even think about doing this. I said, okay, no problem.

So I go in, first guy says, you wanna get married and have kids? I said, yeah, absolutely. He says, this is not the career for you. I said, why not? He says, because this is your wife, your career. You're gonna be gone, you're gonna be traveling, you're gonna be dead.

Go to the second guy. Do you want to get married and have kids? I do. Well, you're not gonna be able to do all that. So they're scaring you away from being, getting married, building a family. Is that also what you guys went through, orientation-wise, where some of the guys are telling you about getting married or they're saying, no, support it, get married, building a family. Is that also what you guys went through orientation wise where some of the guys are telling you about getting married

or they're saying, no, support it, get married, it's fine, it's gonna work out? No, I mean, there were definitely rock stars and you look back at some of the guys, they've been married 20 plus years, DJ, Patti Hinton over 15. You've been married 20 plus years? 15. 15 years.

So I mean, there are definitely guys that have solid families. It's like, I don't know how they did it But then there's kind of the reverse where They get divorced a lot, but the support family family definitely say came first But I think the hard hard part for us was switching it off That's we kind of talk about dials and switches The work required you to be 100% on all the time,

and everything else took second. How'd you make it work? 15 years. I didn't. I married a unicorn. That's the only reason. I was an idealist, and I grew up in the SEAL teams. My dad was a SEAL.

The only male influence I had in my entire life were Navy SEALs, and most of them were divorced. And that was just the culture. This thing comes first, you come home, drop off a bag of dirty laundry, grab new clothes and leave again. And that's exactly what I did. I just, I got really fortunate

because my wife was already married to a seal. Unfortunately, he was killed. So she'd been through the entire gambit already. And I think that was a lot of my hesitation is I didn't want to stop doing that job. Training so hard, it's so long, it's so arduous, you don't ever wanna leave it. It's like, you know, you're playing professional sports,

I don't wanna take any time away. As soon as I leave, I can't give you any bandwidth right now because it's not gonna help me overseas. You have to start compartmentalizing and then just build up a resentment time and time again. And when you come home, you're so stressed out. I mean, two-hand texting, you're in the group chat, I've gotta get ready for this trip, you're so stressed out. I mean, two-hand texting, you're in the group chat, I've got to get ready for this trip.

You're missing ballet recitals and anniversaries and birthdays because none of it truly matters at that point because you're trying to lay a foundation. And unfortunately, you realize you're never going to have that foundation you want. You just keep adding layer after layer after layer. And you never build in time for them. So that's why we do talk about dials.

If you're brand new, brand new guy gets on a team, and you have no external commitments, no wife, no family, no picket fence, no Labrador, I can roll that dial all the way to a 10 and I can be that Kobe Bryant. I can live this one thing at a hundred percent until I do have a rock solid foundation. Then I add in a girlfriend that turns in a fiance, but I have to operate on dials. And for us, we just rolled that whole thing over and never backed it off. Now we just started stacking stuff on top of it.

And it's really hard to split your time and focus. And a lot of them, they're just not meant to do it. Guys marry their high school sweethearts, you've never been apart for two weeks before, now you're gone for nine months. How do you do that? I mean, it's the... You love that job so much, you literally just wall it off.

You don't even think about it. I never thought about it. You just compartmentalize it. Both of us are first borns. We both left on separate deployments three weeks after they were born and both of those deployments that we're on were probably our worst. So we came back to a five-month-old and just super kind of torn up from the deployment too and not easy. How was it for you with your father if he was a seal?

So was he gone all the time and you still had a relationship with him all the time gone He's still your hero though. I mean up until a certain point he was I mean When he graduated buds, my mom was nine months pregnant with me. So his entire time in the seal teams I was with him, but he's just gone. I mean, I think he did teams I was with him but he's just gone and I think he did like 13 13 deployments each one six months long and there's no break in between six months work up home for a while gone gone gone and then all the training trips in between everyone's a two or three week trip you're home for two days geared up send it again send it again from the day you were born till you were you know 13 how often would you see him if you went

combined total less than three months out of the year less than three months out of the year you see him but it still made you want to be a seal what's the only thing you know and when you come home you have him you see all the guys and you know you've seen a movie Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen that was my childhood that is exactly what I grew up with Charlie Sheen. That was my childhood. That is exactly what I grew up with and I loved it. Who was Charlie Sheen? I mean, he was one of the officers, but I mean, just not everybody.

Everybody who's in that movie that represented what the nineties Navy Seals were like drinking, partying, training, deploying just over and over and over again. And it became infectious. Like, I mean to us, I mean, I'd walk right past the Rolling Stones or some high-level athlete just to get near a commando. Like, they just have such a polarizing presence, you just can't get away from it. So when you grow up with it your whole life,

that's the only thing you want to emulate. I just want to look like that. I want the tattoos. I want to look like that. I want to be able to perform like that. And that's just what you chase. Your wife, her first husband passed away, he didn't make it. So was she part of a family, military family

growing up? How did she marry two seals? Her dad was a seal. Oh so that, okay. So that makes a lot of sense. So then you know what it reminds me of? You ever seen a movie with Mark Wahlberg where it's him and Jennifer Aniston and I think he's a rock star and maybe the movie is called Rockstar. What's the, is it called Rockstar? It is. And then they have the two buses and the other wives are training her on what it is to be married to a rock star.

Do you remember that whole scene? You're like, look, here's what's going to happen. This is normal. This is what it's like. Sometimes you're going to wake up, it's going to be weird. And then there's this one scene where they wake up in the hotel. What did we do last night? I don't know what happened last is it almost a little bit of that where you have to know who you're marrying to know

what comes with the territory like some of these things that come with the territory? I think yeah because a lot of the guys you know Cole married one of his high school sweethearts too she's never been exposed to it so when you get in around those people they knew you when you were in high school they knew you when you were 21 years old now Now you leave for four or five years, you rekindle that marriage and you are a completely different person. Your mannerisms, the way you carry yourself, the people you associate with, everything else is different and they don't know how it happened. And a lot of them, they don't see it until it's too late. Like

now we are married and this is not the guy he was in high school. He can't be. You can't be because of the job you have. You have to elevate and you in high school. He can't be you can't be because the job you have You have to elevate and you have to transform You can't be that same guy and do that job at a hundred percent. There's no way It takes too much That is wild. So what advice do you guys give when guys are coming to you? What do you tell them? Do you say get married? Do you say don't get married? Don't get married. Don't get married. You tell them don't get married I don't get married until you've done at least

Married don't get me okay. You tell him don't get married. I don't get married until you've done at least Four years optimally you've done eight years for those completely single just isolating polishing your craft Now you find her you test her out meaning you make her do a couple deployments Is your fiance that way if it doesn't work? There's no divorce. There's no strain on the force fine doesn't work How do you check if it does it because I remember in the army like if you're in the army there was a How do you check if it doesn't work? How do you check if it doesn't work? Because I remember in the army, like if you're in the army, there was a story you would hear where a guy would go come back nine months later, he finds that his wife's with somebody and hey, you leave the broom outside.

There was this whole, I don't know if you remember these different things, I don't want to kind of give some of those stuff away. Guy would come out one day, this guy, I won't say his name, but I clearly remember this. You go to the hotel, he walks in and he sees it he's devastated he's going through suicide watch he's not talking about it for 30 days how do you test it out when you're gone for that long what do you do do you have a friend come and check him out you can say my club owner was she at the nightclub how do you how do you check them out my space my space ruined DJ's life. MySpace ruined DJ's life.

What happened to me, dude? What happened with MySpace? Same thing, I was dating my high school girlfriend, went over to Iraq, I'm 19 years old, we're stormtrooping through Baghdad, doing the whole thing, and I didn't even have an email account at the time. I mean, I set up a Hotmail in 2005

when we were over in Iraq, and then MySpace popped up, made a little profile, nobody knows what it is, the social media's not even a thing yet You type in different names. I type my sister's name It pops up type in random people's names. They pop up. I type my girlfriend's name hit enter it pops up She's got a profile like oh, this is cool. It's got a little bio like this is my name I'm crazy. No, my boyfriend his name's Brian. I'm like

My name ain't Brian like looking around like like what is this? You're joking. No, the whole thing. She'd been dating a guy living in my house the entire time I was. Stop it. Oh no, really. So what do you do? Call him. Better pack your shit and get out of my house right now.

Never talk to you again. But it's the same thing. Like they'll start complaining about the deployment cycle being gone. You're not making enough time for me. I can't. I don't have Wi-Fi. and then it just becomes a huge burden, a huge mental taxation. Is this improving my performance overseas?

No. Well, I gotta get rid of you. Get away. Or you marry a unicorn like my wife who's just an absolute gangster. She gets it. And I can count the times on one hand. That's tough to marry somebody like your wife

whose father was like, it's like, marry, you know, a guy, I'll never forget, my wife, we're getting married. I take her to meet different wives to shape the mindset of, do you know who you're really marrying? And the best person that she sat down with was our pastor's wife, okay? And she goes and spends time with him and she says,

are you ready to share your husband with the world? And she says what do you mean? Says well look I run my husband runs a church with 20,000 members Guess what everybody wants to talk to him all the time Call this person died funeral. This is that wedding this are you ready because that's what's happening with you It says well, yeah, I guess I'm okay with that So let me tell you my ten affirmations and she starts kind of going through the affirmations. And then, you know, sometimes your husband's gonna come home, you're not in a mood to do anything.

If you ask for it, you gotta find a way to make the time to please you. All these things that she's going through. She comes back and says, so how did it go? Well, she said this, she said that. I said, this is a rock star wife. This is great, right? It's like shaping the mindset of it, right?

She had it, but it's tough to find somebody like that. It is, and you really saw in the old school garden, I'd say the wives that really cut their teeth during the early days, no support, brand new in the war, we didn't know what was going on, deployment cycles just kept increasing over and over. So you've got this batch of a couple hundred wives that are really, really bought in,

and then you get this new generation start to spill in, and they've never seen it before. It's really nice to be able to bounce it off the, so you check in as a brand new guy and you've got your platoon chief with seven deployments and he's got his wife who's done nine total. She's like, this is what it is. He's never gonna tell you what it's really like.

This is what it is. You are on your own the entire time. Did you ever meet Brian? I didn't meet Brian, but I did, yeah, well, I've talked about that offcamera. Yeah, I played a little prank on Some apple with Brian well listen, thank you my space for the recon and private investigative work you did but so Question since I wasn't expecting us to start off with a topic at I had three topics to start off with, we're going into marriage right off the bat.

But question with this, so you're doing your job, okay? And while you're doing your job, you know, you hear the phrase signal versus noise, right? Focus on the job, focus on signal, noise. What's going on with the family? What's going on with the wife? What's going on with the kids? Well, I'm gone nine months, what happened here?

What are they doing over there? What are you doing with? To be a SEAL and to do what you guys do, how do you stay locked in to not allow the noise to rattle you because in that moment while you're supposed to stay focused, you're thinking about something else. How do you mentally get yourself in a state where you stay focused on the mission? You block out the noise. It doesn't matter.

You are 100% committed and locked in. But how do you block out the noise? You don't communicate. You don't intimately open up. The emotions are second to the family. Everything else. Is that what they tell you to shape your mindset that way? Or is that like a cultural thing? Is that what they tell you to shape your mindset that way? Or is that like a cultural thing?

Is that what it takes? Is that part of the job? I think it's 100% what it takes. Because if you're not on your game, the results could be you die, you drop something, and somebody else gets killed for it. The repercussions and results of not being locked in and showing up 100% on your game are deadly. And like, there's no question about it.

And the emotion of the patriotism and what you're doing and what you're fighting for, just outweighed it. There was nothing. But now let me ask you, were you like that in high school? Like, were you an athlete in high school? Like were you an athlete in high school? Did you play sports? Yeah, I was an athlete in high school. And yeah, I was definitely in compartmentalization on the noise. To be hyper competitive and perform at a super high level,

it took discipline and dedication and where do you want to take it? And I wanted to take it and I wanted to take as far as I could I guess my question becomes my question is do they recruit? Guys who are already like that or do you come in and after you make it through? Bud the training everything that they have then you become this person. Which one is it? Is it finding the person and identifying I said this guy has what it takes or is it no? We're gonna shape your mindset into this I Think I think you find that person Just in the initial process it's so hard to get in the buds

It's so hard to make it through that selection You're already a little bit selfish anyway You have to be in order to just prepare to go to buds you really have to live in isolation And then it's not really a team sport I know it is but going through selection it's individual performance you have to be able to perform the entire way and anything that is a distraction you just naturally block it out you just have to you roll an ankle you get this you get an injury you just override and just keep going and you do that it becomes your routine

if you don't like the way things are going you just block it out if you have you ever been on a mission or one of your peers maybe Was getting distracted and allowing the noise to get to them. How did the team handle it when someone went there? Becomes a big issue they remove you like it's very common if guys are going through a if guys are going through divorce It's so common. I mean the SEAL teams are Well over a hundred percent I mean, if guys are going through a divorce, it's so common. I mean, the SEAL teams are well over 100%. I mean, they have been my whole time, over 100% divorce rate. If it becomes nasty, to where you can't make a deployment, you can't make trips, like you're in court, custody battles, they just remove you.

They remove you? Yep. They'll remove you, put you on the sidelines for two years, clean up your divorce, figure it all out, and then come back. Wow. They'll put you in a training slot or an admin slot. How common is that? Pretty common. So sometimes if they put a guy in training slot, it's not a favor,

it's not a promotion. They're putting you there because you're going through something like, look go handle your stuff in personal life, then when you're ready come back to it as well. Yeah, I mean you've put in so much time and energy to get to the organization, you're so critical to its overall performance. Right now if you're not at a hundred percent, they have to pull you out and put in somebody else. So how do you view that? Let's just say I go through that and I'm put there. For me to come back and there's four of you and I'm the fifth one coming in, are you guys a little bit worried whether I've changed or not or I still have some of the old

tendencies or no? You allow me to show up and represent and show you guys that I have changed. How does that work? Yeah, you definitely get a chance to come back and perform. I think everyone's pretty open at that. It happens all the time. But they're watching. You got to earn your seat there every day and there are mistakes you cannot come back from and at such a high level either you'll get kicked out or they'll set you out and let you be a hundred percent when you come back. You can't be 98 percent

It's the exact same thing and with injuries. We have guys with some colossal injuries They just they override it and you ever been at like a bull riding show you ever seen the guys get taped up You're taping their shoulders in place. You'd be surprised you see a special operations You know team room the injuries these guys are able to just push through KT tape all over their body, quarter zone injections, just everything to get through because they don't want to get pulled off. And eventually those injuries stack up so bad,

you can't hide it anymore. I mean, we're doing some brutal physical activities and you cannot keep up. You got to get surgery. And they don't want to, like, they don't want to jump off that train and sometimes you have to push them off the train. Go get surgery, do six months of rehab and come back here.

I can't have you at 45% right now, I can you got to go the whole way go get surgery I was one of those guys he's been that guy like you have to get surgery right now, okay? Due to an injury due to whatever that happened due to on a mission Yeah, so slowing somebody down so that would be enough, but that part to me makes sense still right it's like sports Hey, you you're not giving your best right now. Go do the surgery. I don't want to do the Tommy John surgery. Look, you got to do it. You got to sit down the season or Achilles, whatever that happens.

I can see that part. But the noise versus signal, there is not a formula. Is there a formula or are you just something you do? If you were to talk to right now 100 corporate executives that are money managers who have a billion dollars under management? They're going on the road all the time. They're traveling here traveling They're going meeting with this client meeting with that client And they have the wife and the kids and all that stuff and say hey man guys I'd love for you to give me a formula on how to stay locked in I want to find a way to get locked in i'm gonna perform I work my ass up

But I got a wife and two kids How do I stay locked in so when I go into that meeting to negotiate a deal and roll over that money? I'm gonna get it. What would you say to me? switches Dials not switches every time so switch meaning, you know, I joined a Navy at 17 years old Cole 18 19 years old I just flick that switch Navy SEAL. It's the only thing I care about Now you start stacking on all the other stuff and you can't give it equal bandwidth and that's where the resentment comes in So I imagine a literal switchboard. I've got my family dial. I've got my um, I've got my my operational my

Passion my profession whatever that is as soon as I wake up in the morning. I'm powering down the family dial all the way I'm not thinking about you when I'm driving in not thinking about picking up kids off the bus None of that matters to me right now All I'm thinking about is my next two hours as soon as I complete those two hours I re-operate my dials recalibrate whatever I have to fully focus on I think it's a mindset too they definitely will pull it out of you and if you ultimately don't perform you won't be around there but yeah the dials and switches for sure you know a dial down family that will work up a hundred percent I think too it's a

sacrifice wherever your goals are and where you're wherever you want to dial down family, dial work up 100%. I think, too, it's a sacrifice wherever your goals are and wherever you want to go. If you're good at just being a big fish in a small pond, cool. If you want to get out of that pond and become a small fish in a bigger pond at a higher level, the sacrifice, you may have to leave the work 100% on and then honestly be able to turn that back off. But realize you're sacrificing time to reach your goals.

You got two daughters, but you got three boys, right? With your boys, are any one of them super athletic where they're playing like sports where they could go to the next level? They're, you know, young. They're 12, 9, and 6. The two older ones are super passionate about soccer. The oldest one is getting ready to start travel soccer, and I'm all about supporting them wherever they want to take it, however far they want to. I grew up swimming on a competitive club team year round, and I had aspirations to take it to the Olympics.

I got burned out, and I just want to support my kids. If they want to take it all the way, I'm happy to go over with them the sacrifice and what I'll take to get there But ultimately it's on them and I just don't want to push them and burn them out Do you do do you would you support if they come and say that I want to I want to go but I want to Be a Navy SEAL would you support that are you? Would that be like oh my god, I'm so proud my kids want to become Navy SEALs or no whatever they want to do they do I'd 100% support them I want them to be happy with whatever they choose but if they wanted to do that I support it but I give them a very honest conversation of what they're getting into

got it get married right after that you know Mary or high school sweetheart you know make sure you be for that guy named Brian, stay off my space, maybe use TikTok instead. It's so funny when you're going through this stuff. When you're in it, it's so interesting watching how everybody handles it. With business, you're coming up, you size everybody up, you're like, dude, I thought that guy had it, but I thought he's more mentally tough.

That's such an interesting, I had no way in the world, I thought that whole competitive side where you don't know sometimes it just takes time to see how they're going to handle themselves. You know the movie Fury where the new guy comes in and then Brad Pitt, whoever he's playing and the guy starts peeing and he says, you know, you remember that scene where it's like, hey, lock it up, like get in place and he was panicking, he was worried. Sometimes you're never going to know until you're in that situation to see if they got

it or not. But you talk about communication. So yesterday we get word, and I want to get your thoughts on this. Yesterday's story comes out, Rob, if you want to pull this up. The whole Signalgate, whatever they want to call it, right? The Signal Chat with Pete Hegson. Pentagon Inspector General opens investigation into Hegson. Signal Chat scandal.

The White House said this week that the case has been closed on the signal scandal. The Pentagon's Inspector General opened it back up. And then, Rob, is this the one where six people got fired yesterday? Can you go? That's a separate article. That's this one right here. Trump fired six national security staffers after meeting with the far right activist Laura Loomer.

This is who the Guardian, Trump ally presented with the opposition research against a number of officials that said she followed their disloyalty, can you go a little bit lower Rob to see who it was, fired six national security officers, the firing encompassed four staffers who were fired overnight after the meeting and two who were removed over the weekend. Created extra in this situation, Loomer appeared to have more influence than the national security advisor Mike Waltz. Okay, so now this is what they're going through with communication Mike Waltz is creating a group chat on signal Where they're communicating about a decision that's being made and then accidentally

the individual that gets added to the chat Rob is Somebody from Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic from the Atlantic he gets into it Accidentally, he's in it. Some are saying, you know, the way that it happened, it is what it is. For you guys, you're out there. How are you communicating yourself? What apps were you using when you're communicating? What apps are being used today?

And maybe what different angle do you guys have here that maybe we're not looking at? The fact that everybody in there is a human we use signal we use silent circle we had all the same thing and people do get and people have the same name and As soon as I first saw that and we were on the gym talking about him that looks like you're a normal person Scrolling down on the phone and you click one wrong name, and you don't realize there's two John Davises in your phone That's what it looks like to me. Nobody sanity checked it. And you start communicating.

I mean we've launched out really detailed stuff on signal chats, I mean business stuff, I mean all kinds of stuff. Things happen. I mean, there are definitely been some checks and balances and needs to be sanity checking out, but that's, that's real world. That's what they do. That's what everybody does. You have a, you have a group chat, you have a signal thread. I'm sure you're on them too that if that thing gets leaked and the photos that you share with your old buddies something you don't want out there it's

the same thing it's just on a huge public scale now that seems very normal to me that someone messed up a signal group chat at that level well no you know you shouldn't have it at that level but at the end of the day people are human they're brand new into that job. They haven't done that. I mean, Pete doesn't have any experience doing that before. Like how many people are in that? I don't know.

I don't think it was malicious by any of those guys. Most certainly don't think anybody would add a reporter into a Signal Chat and start talking about business knowingly. No, for sure not knowingly. To me, it's more, one, how it happened, two, do I trust Signal, three, if a mistake like that happens that could lead to something with the enemy finding out before we're doing something, that's massively

problematic, right? And what should the punishments for something like this happen? Like if that happened in Buds, is there a high level of not? But if that happens your seal your your own you're out there You're talking to each other you accidentally add somebody else that gets leaked to the market one head did it ever happen and two if it does How did they handle that? I? Can't remember time for it actually happening like a like an actual thing, you know Business being leaked out to anybody nothing pretty always posed. Yeah time for it actually happening like a like an actual thing you know business

being leaked out to anybody nothing pre always post yeah yeah nothing pre always post yeah nothing previously before something happened but definitely after what did you guys do like when you're being added to group chat like was there especially nowadays would they train you to say anytime you're being added to this first look at this and look at that and look at this because like right now emails for us guys sends sends an email, one of our guys respond, this literally happened two weeks ago, that person wired $100,000 to somebody that was fraud, this just happened to us, we just lost $100,000, we're never going to

get this $100,000 back, it's happened two weeks ago. Why? Here's the email, it looks like a legit email, change the password, they log in, boom, boom, boom, $100K out. Two or three weeks ago this happened to us, right? So these types of things happen and you train. When you're getting an email when somebody says this, actually check the email, do you guys get trained on that?

Or no, it's pure common sense, they leave it to you. You get trained on it. Yeah, you get trained on it. And there's definitely been some occurrences where human error or malicious will happen and then pretty quick fix on the IT catches. Fired or not fired? Depending what it is, you definitely get fired.

So in a situation like this, somebody's getting fired? Yeah, I mean, if it's something like that, heads are gonna roll. So Mike Walz, what you're saying is Mike Walz's favorite song on repeat right now is I'm only human. He's listening to that hoping he doesn't get fired but at that level he might get fired. I'll date myself it was probably 2011 2012 it was either Silent Circle or

Signal when it was first coming out and it was literally everybody sitting inside the team room everybody because you can't bring your phones upstairs everybody get on stairs we're all gonna download Signal. That's gonna be our new unclass or, you know, unclass chat for the whole group. So if we have to pass anything, movements, you know, training trips, whatever, we'll put it out on Signal. That way we get in real time.

It's not just an Apple text communication. These guys have Android and Apple, all the other stuff. So yeah, I mean, we transitioned over to Signal for a lot of the stuff. I mean, yeah, I mean, you have IT guys making sure everybody's above board. I mean, there's always issues with it. Who owns Signal? Who owns the backside?

All that kind of stuff. It's sketchy. Do you guys trust it? I trust it for stuff that me and him are doing. I wouldn't trust it at that level. So what do they use now at that level? I'll be honest, I would have thought there was some proprietary thing that Elon Musk has come up with now by now or something the fact we're just Downloading something off a regular app store on that level kind of surprised me if I'm being honest

I agree with you bro, but I actually agree with you But I also know a bunch of guys who were in the beltway senators congressmen. That's how they normally communicate Yeah, they just have you know in unclass What's gone unclass chat me and Cole are texting back and forth and we just do everything on signal that way It's it's secure. So even you guys when you guys don't text each other you signal on everything We normally text but we all I'd probably have 50 signal chats from trainings We do you know SWAT teams were gonna go train everything's on a signal chat So out of all of them you trust signal more than some of the other guys telegram WhatsApp

Definitely more than what's up? Okay. Got it. So signals of the other guys. Telegram, WhatsApp. It's definitely more than WhatsApp. Okay, got it. So signal's at the top for you. So for some people that don't know, what tours have you guys been on they can share with? You said earlier Baghdad, but what other tours have you been on? What places have you guys served? All over, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Middle East, East Africa. Yeah, okay. So I got a list of topics.

One of the ones that really, you know, till today I have a hard time with is the following. I wanna see what you guys gonna be saying about this. So do you remember where you were when we heard that Osama Bin Laden was caught, you know, he was killed, I think it was, if I'm not mistaken, Robert O'Neill is the story that we always hear about. We've all seen the podcast.

We've seen the stories. May 2nd, 2011. And then we hear the story that the body is being dumped in the middle of the ocean. Do you guys remember where you were at when that story was released? Yep. Yes? Okay. So what do you think about when we are told that Osama Bin Laden's body is dumped in the

middle of the ocean at northern Arabian Sea did you guys at all sit there and say it's kind of weird that did you say no this is okay make sense at first glance you would think it is weird and then you think about the reality are we gonna bring his body back to the US and do a John Dillinger where he posts up photos of him? They're not gonna do that. And if you do that, you end up making him a martyr even more and growing his following even more.

Like look what he sacrificed for the cause. Don't do that. Like do you want a tombstone in the US? Do you want some new Mecca where all the other crazies kind of go to pay homage to him? I don't. I don't think that benefits anybody So I think putting him in the ocean is exactly what they should have done from my understanding to

based off of the religion They have to be buried within 24 hours so that was kind of from my understanding a respectful way to You know kind of honor his religion Not saying they're honoring him, but just honoring and respecting the religion But yeah, not not having a grave, but since he was he was moved out to that ship burial at sea She you know when I when I heard that I'm like it's a little weird. I'm questioning it So say guys when we do this how many times can you pull up Chad GBT right how many times in the history of us?

Have we dumped a body of the enemy in the middle of the ocean okay? How many times the history of us? Have we dumped a body an? enemy's body in the middle of the ocean in The ocean okay, so it's got to be 50 times 25 times maybe 18 times maybe twice no only once and it's only Osama bin Laden and we've had a lot of other bodies now then I sat there and I said okay let's have some fun with this one here okay in our family we love the movie Transformers. It's a great movie, okay?

And can you type in the Transformers where Megatron gets dumped in the middle of the ocean? Okay, which, it's in 2007, okay? Where in 2007 film, Transformers, Megatron's body, along with the remains of other Decepticons, was dumped into the Laurentian Abyss, a deep deep sea trench in an attempt to keep them dormant and prevent them from being revived. That's 2007, right? And then four years later in May of 2011 We're dumping Osama bin Laden's body in the middle of the ocean something we've never done before

Makes the average guy who kind of wants to question some of the stuff and say, yeah, it's a little strange because they could have buried the body in different places, but to do something like this, and we've killed a lot of different people in the history of America, but we've never done this before. Is there something that happened with the body? Is there something that we don't know? The timing of it's a little bit weird. I mean, if they were inspired by it, at least what I could say is whoever came up with the idea to put the story out there, I give them credit because they have good taste in movies. At least they like Transformers.

You've got to respect that part of it, right? But for me, I'm still skeptical about this, right? You guys were in the, you're in this world, you guys talk to each other, and based based on what you're saying you're saying it was a faith-based thing that they dumped it because that respect that of 24 hours And you're saying it was a way for them to not give any more martyr bringing it back here But what do you think about this comparison the four years apart? I'm sure you seen Transformers one when Megatron is being dumped and we all watch Transformers one of course for the movie and definitely not For Megan Fox, but it was a very good movie. But what do you think about this?

Coincidence. Coincidence? Nothing, Ty. Nothing? Nothing. Zero. So you think his body's gone, he's dead, he's good. Do you guys have a relationship with Robert O'Neil?

Like, are you guys friends or are you guys pals? He was my team leader. He was your team leader, Okay, were you guys? Involved in this or no, you were not on that mission at all. I was not okay. God. I was you were you were there What was that like? I'll say my role. I didn't I really didn't do much Was there Those four of you no, no, no, I won't get into the specifics, but I wasn't in the assault team, but I was part

of the team. So did you see a dead body? Also, you did see a dead body. Was it in pieces? No. Okay, but it's dead. Do you want to say anything else? No. The way you're talking is like so...

Yeah, but so... No, I've never said that on camera. Really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because what's the... I mean, Robert's been very open about the whole story when he goes through the whole thing and what happened.

What is the process when that happens? What is the process? Is it you take the body, you ship it back, you take it with you, what is the process at that time? If it's not like an explosion, a bomb explosion where it's the bodies all over the place, you're not going to go pick up body parts. When it's something that you see a shot, boom, done, proper procedure there leave them yeah I mean they wanted to bring them back for DNA tests and confirmation I mean we said take DNA swabs back in the day depending

on who it was depending what they look like but I've never personally taken anybody off I've never seen it Rob how far is it from the place he was killed to where he was dumped in the middle of the ocean? Can you find out? Like how far is that distance? So wonder how many US Navy sailors we've buried at sea 2596 kilometers That is a good question. Can you check that, Rob?

So how many Navy SEALs have we dumped? How many sailors? How many sailors? Service members? Who've been killed overseas and we buried them at sea because you can't get them back. You can't fly them off. Before there were helicopters, before you could do all that.

Yeah, but that was on land and then they dumped them in the middle of the ocean. That doesn't make you Not a bit. Well look. I mean if there's some if you're there and you saw him dead, you know Yeah, so no matter what we're saying, you know So I mean if there's a question whether or not we actually killed him there shouldn't be a question about them Okay, yeah, there should be question but if there's a question about whether we still have the body or we dumped him, that could be a question because you weren't there for that.

No, wasn't there. Yeah. I mean, I hope he's not in Area 51 with all the aliens. Hanging out with Biggie and Tupac. Yeah, just hanging out. He's in Vegas somewhere. That's a whole different conversation right there. Okay, so let me transition to the next story here. So what is this East Coast, West Coast Navy SEAL? You know the West Coast SEALs are soft

and the East Coast SEALs are you know tougher and you know like the Biggie, the Tupac, the whole thing. Is that a real thing, the East Coast, West Coast SEALs? It's a good camaraderie rivalry. We were talking about earlier, you know, just being able to bullshit and have thick skin and not take stuff personal. I definitely would say that they're amazing West Coast team guys. Some are just a little little sense of little thinner skin. So you can't you can't joke with them how you would with the East Coast guy. It's a much tighter knit on the East Coast because it's not so spread out in San Diego. And so it's like you see each other kind of 24-7 really same neighborhood same same kids school and because it's not so spread out in San Diego. And so it's like, we see each other kind of 24 seven,

really same neighborhoods, same kid school and he's shit talk. Yeah, I mean, like on the East Coast, there's nothing to do. Like in San Diego, you can do anywhere. You can mountain bike and go to Red Rocks, you can do Vegas, you can do whatever you want to. Virginia Beach, outside of being a Navy SEAL,

there's not a whole lot of extracurricular things to do. And that means you just spend more team time. In my opinion, every time we go to the West coast, you're like, Hey, everybody want to grab a beer? They're gone. They live so far outside. Cause it's so expensive in Virginia Beach. I mean, everybody's within 15 miles of each other.

Every place you go to get your haircut. There's four or five guys in there. Every place you go to eat, you look around, you just know everybody. So it feels like you're in one big family. And I know a bunch of West coast guys guys and we have guys that work with us Now that a transition over the East Coast they say the same thing. They're like man everywhere you go the boys are here There's nowhere else to go It's like you really you really feel like you're part of the team on the East Coast because there's nothing to distract you from it

Which isn't a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a thing. Yeah, I just typed up who are the Which isn't a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a thing. Yeah, I just typed up who are the Most well-known West Coast seals right you got what seal one three five and seven that pops up Chris Kyle who is no longer with us as I had his wife on a podcast. We had a great conversation together Jacko Willink is a West Coast guy. He's done very well for himself in business He started on the East Coast did he so he started so OG is East Coast then he went to West Coast guy, he's done very well for himself in business. He started on the East Coast. Did he? So he started, so OG is East Coast, then he went to West Coast, better lifestyle. He was enlisted guy on the East Coast.

Did you guys ever serve together? He served with my dad. He served with your dad? Wow. What was that like, the stories your pops would say about him? I mean, he was a new guy back in the day. Oh, okay.

Which is ironic for me, because most of the guys, we went through training, mostly instructors I knew. Like I grew up with them. Like I remember when they were new guys and now I'm You know now I'm getting my I'm getting pushed in on the beach with these dudes And I've known in my whole life who was an instructor that maybe the rest of us would know Nobody okay, so it's not like some of the bigger podcasters the business guys today. Okay got it then it says David Goggins Okay, sealed. He's a West Coast guy, okay.

He's done well for himself. He's a podcaster speaking. I see Rob O'Neill, who was, he's a West Coast guy. You're talking shit about your guy. I don't think he was a West Coast guy. He was in team two with my dad. It says sealed team six. It says sealed team six.

It says West Coast. All evens are on the East Coast. All evens are on the East Coast? Odds are on the West. Okay, so are in the East Coast odds are on the way Okay, so then guess what chat you BT got it wrong exactly so this just like that. That's it, buddy We can't trust this thing now now okay, all right, so we got we got Marcus Luttrell Is he a West Coast guy or is he school sky Hawaii guy then West Coast now? He's living in Texas What would you so Hawaii do you get this Hawaii considered West Coast, right? It's a nice place

I Mustache. Yeah, so I see this last one. You're Mickey Monsoor Monsoor Mikey Monsoor Mikey Monsoor. He's so who are the East Coast guys? Nobody everybody nobody knows you put on the East Coast really Who are theous East Coast guys Who are the famous East Coast guys? I'm just kind of curious. I'm gonna say Rob O'Neill Oh by the way, the first one that comes out this is fun Raven, can you type in East Coast guys and see what comes up first one comes up is DJ shippling The second one comes up is coal fan So this reloaded so did you tap in East Coast? I did.

It's so funny, I tapped in West Coast and it came up. Rob O'Neill came up as a number six on my West Coast. Number four on my West Coast. So I see Matt Bisonetti, Mark Owen, Eddie Gallagher, which I think we've done something with Eddie in the past before. Eddie was a West Coast guy. Eddie was a West Coast guy?

Yeah, he actually trains with us now. He's great dude. Oh wow very cool. Yeah, Eddie's a Really enjoy my time with them son of a guy so so it's more of a fun part. It's not a it's not nothing Just purely for shits and giggles you guys talk this shit to each other It's the exact same training the same workup cycle same dude sitting around the same team room tables. It's just Yeah, like East Coast West Coast rap just something to make fun of. Let me ask you this. So, you know, you hear some of the stuff that comes up where, and this is within every space, happens to me all the time, guys make videos about, hey, let me tell you what Patrick did and how he made his money and what he did. It's a very normal thing.

The moment you get more eyeballs, you're gonna get guys that are gonna be targeting and saying things about you how how Competitive is it where sometimes? You know the combative side well let me tell you he doesn't really have the stories like I did he didn't serve like I Did and this guy didn't like that because we see that and we don't know that how much of that happens in your world It was going on guys DJ Shipley and Colfax from GBRS group I want to talk to you real quick about MNAC. Retired Navy SEALs, entrepreneurs, and co-founders of GBRS Group. Cover everything from flat range shooting, mental health, mental resiliency, and physical

education. Anything you guys really want to drop into, search us on MNAC, find us on there, and love to connect with you guys. Look forward to hearing from you. Appreciate you guys. We'll talk soon. We don't really get into it. Exactly. I'm hearing from you. Appreciate you guys. We'll talk soon. We don't really get into it. Exactly, we don't play that game,

but it happens a lot, especially now with veterans. It seems like a lot of veterans just attack each other all day long, and we just kind of made a silent oath that we were just never gonna do that. We're never gonna hold anybody's hand under the water. We're just trying to make everybody better than we are. And we say it quite a bit,

like if we're holding baseline, if we're holding the minimum standard and you're all better than us, we're on a super team Yeah, I mean if we're comparing who did what or you know, who's got the bigger dick? Sorry, I have to edit that I mean that he just got it like but yeah what we're doing now It's like it it means a lot to us and you know affecting people's lives and pass on the knowledge It's like the shit talk what we did or didn't do or someone else did ten years ago Doesn't define any of us. I wonder how united

How united because you know when when I was part of this one assurance company Nearly half the company there were Mormons and they were so united it was so amazing watching how united they were and Sometimes in a Christian community you would see kind of Christians gonna take shots at each other and obviously of course Mormons are an element of being Christians, but non-denominational You would see Mormons. They were like this and One day this is when I realized these guys have issues

In a both positive way and a crazy way I realized these guys have issues in a both positive way and a crazy way. One day a guy comes out, this lady says, the best movie of all time just came out. The guy's going to win an Oscar. I said, really? This guy's going to win an Oscar? He's going to win an Oscar? Who is this guy? This movie came out called Napoleon Dynamite.

I'm like, Napoleon Dynamite? Yeah. This may be the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life. She's saying this to me, And I'm a movie guy. So I said, listen, you better have credibility with movies. I'm going to go watch this movie. I go watch this movie. It's the worst movie I've seen in my life.

And I'm like, I come back to the next, I said, can I ask you what was unique about this movie? This movie was horrible. What was so special about it? Oh, what are you talking about? He's going to win an Oscar. Later on that afternoon, somebody told me the main actor is a Mormon. I'm like, okay, I got it.

So you guys are supporting each other. I can respect that. You know, hey, this is the movie, this is that. So is that the vibe in the Seals? Is that kind of how it is with Seals, where everybody kind of backs each other up and defends each other? I'll tell you what, when you're in, it most certainly feels like that, to a certain extent.

You know, the brotherhood is real for a little bit, and I feel like it ebbs and flows. Some years it is so strong, my God, it feels like you can get through anything. And in some days it really feels like it's unraveling. And I don't know if it's a cultural thing, if it's an age thing, a maturity thing. I think you saw the best of the teams at the height of the G1 and then you know

I don't want to say around the Obama administration, but kind of towards the tail end of the war we start talking about pulling out you really saw a cultural change and Some guys just really weren't on board with it interesting so Recruiting when you guys were in who was president when you were in So, recruiting. When you guys were in, who was president when you were in? Bush. Bush, when you went in? And then Bush, Obama? Bush, Obama, Trump.

Bush, Obama, Trump. So when did you get out? 2019. 2019. So Bush, Obama, Trump. Was there a... In... I was an E4. So for us, I'm a regular enlisted guy. In, I was an E4, so for us it was just, I'm a regular enlisted guy. You know, I was in when you, some guys you see how they feel about the president, well he's there, he supports us, he's this, he's that,

and you see recruiting going up and down and all this other stuff, and sometimes you see raises being given, I think at one point under Obama, like the enlisted guy to raise up 1% over like four, five, six years, there wasn't a big raise that was being given. But for you guys, specific to Seagulls,

are you, do you care who's president? Does it impact you at all? Or because of the unique position you guys are at, where there's only a few of you, Obama, president left, right, center, doesn't matter, we have a mission, we're going to go get our job and we're not affected by the president. Is that kind of how it is with Seals? Your political views do not matter whatsoever. I don't care if you're Republican or a Democrat. As long as you're not trying to use the military

as like a social experiment or trying to decrease funding, that's really where it gets upset because the job and the threat don't ever change. But now you look at pilots, now they're chopping flight hours. You're not as good as you were five years ago. Do you still need to be as good as you were five years? Absolutely, the threat doesn't change.

So when you see that, it really does take the wind out of your sails a lot because you're sacrificing everything for this one thing. You're like, we need more money, we need more manpower, we need this, you're not getting support, and the mission set doesn't change. But no, I mean, that is the one thing I call it, echo is the same thing, I know it.

I hate when people bad mouth the president. I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat. That is a dude sitting I call it echo the same thing. I know it. I hate when people badmouth the president I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat that is a dude sitting at the pinnacle of the greatest country in the world And if you are not supporting him right now, what are you doing? Just stop like I never heard anybody in that team room ever talked about about the president no matter who is in it never I love that and there was Democrats and Republicans. Yeah Everybody's really really diverse and at the end of the day, the only thing you can control are the guys inside of this room. That's it.

Anything external to that, you're never gonna meet him. You're never gonna have a chance to bend his ear, break his will, so it doesn't matter. You can't change the outcome. You can only control what you can control and that's the only thing you focus on. Focus on the team right now. So does it, at that level,

so you know you know the saying of I'm willing to run through the wall for XYZ right? Is it a did you have a leader in when you were a SEAL where you said I'll run through the wall for this guy? Did you have somebody that you work with that you have? Who would that name be? Who would that person be for you? My first introduction was probably Barrett Johnson, who's our third platoon chief. So me and Cole did three deployments to Iraq back to back to back. And my third platoon chief came over from development group with him and it was like the second coming of Christ. When he cleared that threshold, I mean, I got goosebumps. I got super emotional. I didn't even shake his hand.

I wrapped my arms around his neck. Like, I've been waiting for you for eight years, dude. Why? What made him so special? He was everything you ever wanted to see. Looked apart, acted apart. He got on the flat range, outshot everybody. When he did CQB, it was the best you've ever seen. His jumping was better than everybody else.

He held the standard. When you saw it, it was like watching Kobe Bryant on the court. You're like, my God, you have every reason to let your foot off the gas and you haven't for 20 years. Like how long can you maintain this the entire time? He never let his foot off the gas. And it showed everybody who's 19, 20 years old,

like you can achieve mastery in this sport if you just keep going. And he did it, man. I worked to this day. I do anything for that guy, anything. I've had phenomenal leaders. That dude was my first taste of seeing what a pro is and it changed my entire existence He really raised the bar and he provided resources and skills and training for the for the entire team To meet that bar and really raised kind of that performance elevation culture environment. What was his name?

Barrett Johnson Barrett Johnson Barrett Johnson? Barrett Johnson. Barrett Johnson. Is he a known guy or no? Like the average person doesn't know who he is. No, you'd never find this guy. I mean he's got a historic past. I'd love to be able to sit down and do an interview with him.

His mindset changed everything. Is that him? That is him. Can you zoom in on the picture Rob? Is he a big boy? Probably. My height. Yeah, five ten 180 pounds just The man was this what was the style of leadership when conflicts would come up like was it was it was he more of a guy that

He led by example or was he the one that could get you to do things that others couldn't get you to do He led by example, but he was one of those guys that, I mean, he really embodied, I'm never gonna ask you to do anything I haven't done, I'm not currently doing, or I'm not willing to do. And then he did it. Okay, like you walk into the gym, he's in there before you, he leaves after you.

You go to the range, he's already been there. All right, this guy sees the importance of this, because a lot of times, if you don't have that example, you kind of adopt a nine to five mentality. Like I show up. I do train with everybody else five. They've been under seals Yeah, I mean like it's a normal. It's a normal job and you wake up 5 a.m. You're doing fitness you're lifting you're fighting you're training you're eating training eating going home rinse and repeat every single day over and over Well, there's guys that show up earlier and they stay later and they do more polishing and on the weekends They're training they're messing around with kit they're developing new tactics

new procedures just trying to make the overall collective better and I thought he just did it better than anybody else I mean you really had a sense and feeling that he had your back like no one was gonna come between him and us and the team even if we made mistakes and failed obviously he held us accountable but it was very much coaching and making us better and grow What does he do now? Can you pull up his LinkedIn profile? I'm sure she's nobody sure he's doing some consulting now I was texting with me other week, but go a little bit lower to see What is his most recent case of program manager?

Tulum director of canine operations because Contract independent country go a little bit lower. He doesn't put his military stuff probably there a little bit lower probably not No, he's not gonna put his stuff there Wow Yeah, so he was doing guided hunts for a little bit. That's what the hunt is Yeah, there's senior chief 22 years. Yeah, he was at he was a team to my dad, too Wow

Wow He was at team two with my dad too. Wow. Wow. It's kinda cool, just full circle. Now, is in, do you feel the loyalty is whatever he says I do or is it more president? Commander in chief, man, I'm willing to run through the wall for this president. Now I'm willing to run through the wall by chief.

It's more chief? Chief. Okay, because it's the day-to-day guy. It is, at the end of the day when you're out there alone, your political views don't matter, your religious views don't matter. Do you guys watch politics when you're out there? Because when I would talk to my friend who went to Delta,

he would say, we would watch the news, and we would say, why are they lying? That's not what's happening, we're here right now. Did you guys watch the news at all? You why are they lying that's not what's happening we're here right now did you did you guys watch the news at all you're like now we're not funded no I really no watch a lot of episodes a lot of episode yeah TV yeah not politics and news at all no what did you think about people that were you know telling the news or they're working for CNN or Fox or MSNBC or NBC did you have an opinion of them like, nah, it's just, we mind our own business.

Did you see what it is, you're just trying to push an agenda? You know, a lot of you are trying to breed fear into people, trying to make it seem like it's something it's not. Yeah, I mean, you're over there on the ground, you're watching it on TV in real time. Okay, and then your parents start calling you, your wife starts, they're like, I'm seeing this on the news, what's happening?

None of that's actually happening. So, you know the one of the Ambassadors, I don't know who was Rob that was here yesterday trying to negotiate on behalf of Russia Ukraine all the deals that's going on behind closed doors and you know the peace deal, you know, Zelensky all that He's in town. I think he's in DC yesterday I don't know what his name is but Tony knows who it is is if you wanna text him. Actually, just go to news, type in Russia, US peace treaty. That's not the guy, Russia, US peace treaty, DC. Type in DC.

Yeah, let's see, and then go to news, zoom in. You know what I'm talking about, seriously? You wanna see this part? Okay, see, okay. Just have him text it to you for you to know. So during the 17 years you guys were in, was there ever a moment where you guys were so deep that you had intel where we were this close

to possibility of a World War, something really nasty? Was it ever a point where it was so close that if this thing happens and this triggers this We could be in a world war three overnight. Was there ever a moment like that in your 17 years? There were a couple scenarios under the Trump administration right before I retired we were spinning up to do a couple things that if They would have went potentially Potentially and I'll be honest Trump can't this when we were on the ramp getting ready to go

He solved it. However, he does whatever he does. He called and literally stopped us on a ramp You vividly remember that? We spun up to go we were gonna go do the thing and got in midair and got ready to do the whole process and we got canceled and spun around and came back home. Okay so this has got to be 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, this is that time. Yeah. And if this were to happen? I mean potentially, I mean it could have been an active engagement with a bunch of Russians it could have been an active engagement with a bunch of Russians could have been dicey you just never know. So you're on the ramp you're ready to go everybody's you know strapped you boom get the phone call nope it's quarter we're not going on it.

Huge letdown, huge letdown. You wanted it? Oh I mean everybody wants everybody wants to go. And you start to think about the ramifications, like what if this goes south? What if this does spike off the whole thing and now we're stuck here, we can't get back home? What if it does go nuclear? Now everybody's back home and we're stuck here

in the middle of nowhere. Let me get to Dicey. But is it like, okay, so maybe, yeah, let me ask a question a different way. Is it like, okay, so maybe, let me ask a question a different way. Is it like, you've seen the movie Heart Locker, I don't know if you, with what's his name, who's phenomenal,

Jeremy Renner? Jeremy Renner, some name like that, right? What's his name? Jeremy Renner. Renner, I'm sorry, Jeremy Renner, yeah. Phenomenal actor. And you watch him just go up up and he shows almost the addiction with the adrenaline and the life on how close you're always on the edge and he

always wants to go back every time he comes back he's around his wife is like he just wants to go back and doesn't know how to be a father is it like you're you're always itching for something to be a part of? Like, give me the next mission for me to go on. Yeah, and what Jeremy Renner does in that movie is he's operating on switches and not dials. He's flipped it, he fell in love with it, he gets a taste of the adrenaline, you can't get it out of your system now, now you just chase it. We call it chasing the dragon. You can chase it the entire time, be careful what you wish for.

You'll eventually find it. But a lot of times they spend their entire career chasing the one thing and they never stopped them You don't enjoy it was this mission to take somebody out. I Can't get into all the specifics, but yeah, I mean it was a lot of people going through international waters. It shouldn't have been Potentially possibly carrying some stuff. They shouldn't have. We were gonna intervene and he solved it. Which is a good thing and a bad thing because you wanna go to work, you wanna do the thing. But the way it was presented that was solved, was it like, yeah, I made a phone call, I spoke to them.

Did he publicly say how he solved it or no? This was all, so this is not even anything that publicly has been disclosed. Yeah, I mean, we don't even get a phone call. Just they literally turn around like, can't get going back home. Was he your commander at the time, the chief at the time? Okay, no. So he got out in 2020, no, 92 is to 2014.

So no, he wouldn't have been in. I thought he was 92 to 2014, 22 years and a month, I think. Yeah, he wouldn't have been in. He got out 2014, 22 years and a month, yeah. Yeah he would he would have been in it. He got a 2014 22 years out a month yeah. So okay interesting. So today what we're seeing right now right? You and maybe let me go while we're still on that topic there. Ghassam Soleimani. Do you guys remember Ghassam Soleimani? Mm-hmm. And when that that happened that was a were you guys part of that at all or no? Do you guys know friend? Okay? So you obviously have peers that were part of this who were on this mission

This was a crazy one. No, I mean this was a January 3rd 2020 we take out has some Soleimani who is the guy who manages all the you know Islamic Revolutionary Guard he's the guy that's dealing with all the proxies He's the guy that's dealing with Houthis with Hezbollah with all those things and he could potentially be the guy that's running Iran When this happened were you guys like holy shit This could turn into something?

Or was it like, okay, this is a statement, knock it off, stop, don't do anything, and if you do, this is what the US is capable of doing? I see that as like a show of force. Like how committed we are. How far you're willing to go for the whole thing. No different than, you know, the Israelis after Black September. I don't care if it takes a decade, we're going to go the whole thing. No different than the Israelis after Black September. I don't care if it takes a decade, we're gonna go the entire way. And I think we've shown that as a country a lot.

Take us 10 years, 20 years, we're gonna keep going the entire way just because we said we would. And that's what it is. You can go wherever you want to, you can hide as much as you want. Your trade craft can be phenomenal. We just have people that are gonna sit in this room

all day long, do nothing but haunt you and we'll find you That's a superpower That we have mm-hmm. Oh, yeah people just sit in a room all day long do nothing, but just pick you apart They'll unravel your entire existence right now. It's all they do and there's endless manpower of them us US yeah, I mean anybody we have to go after any target. target we have and there's just there's people that's all they do Okay, so let me let me ask you this question. So You know, I lived in Iran almost 11 years so I was born in 78 we left July 15th of 89 went to Germany at a refugee camp and we came here so but I mean I lived there

so I know the environment the climate how it is and When you're in business, you have enemies you have a lot of competitors and you have to know whose threats are real threats and whose threats are just you know hot air I'm gonna do this to you nothing but if that guy says I'm gonna do something to you like hey listen we have to pay attention to this. You guys sit there all day, watch tape of who the enemies are. You study Iran, you study, you know, what happened with Yemen, you study what happened with, you know, Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein or Putin or all that. That's the business model. I'm assuming. I'm just speculating. I'm not in it. That's your world.

And That's the business model. I'm assuming, I'm just speculating. I'm not in it. That's your world. And do you guys talk about, yeah, those guys are not going to do nothing to us. Their threats mean nothing. Or to say, no, when that guy says that, listen, we have to really be ready that they're capable of doing something. How did you guys, 17 years, your tier one, how do you view when Iran makes threats? For me personally, I look at it just like Osama bin Laden, threatened it for a long time, said he was gonna attack the homeland

and didn't take it serious. And I think after that, you gotta take every threat serious. You just have to. Especially now with open borders, there's so many people pouring into this country and if they wanna spin it on and turn it on, they can really, really fast. So I think now, after 9-11,

I think everybody is taking every threat seriously. At least you should, because they proved it. We've had to adopt a lot of cultural changes since 9-11, for the good, I think it's made us better overall. Now, I mean, you can't look at guys like that and just, oh, he won't do that. Well, we've already said that before. We said that multiple times. We said that as long already said that before. We said that multiple times.

We said that as long as I can remember. We said that through World War II. We said it with Japanese. We said it with everybody. Oh, they won't do that. Yeah, they did. Yes, they did. They flew his plane straight over here,

crashed him into Pearl Harbor, and then kicked off the whole thing. They will. They will do that. Yeah, now- So don't underestimate the power of any threats. Especially not threats that have actual money and resources. I think after 9-11, it was a complete switch.

You can't just pass off threats. And the communication technology that's evolved across the world on Intel, and I think there's different ways to defeat them even if it's not a missile but I don't think they're missing any of it now I mean they're catching everything and they probably got AI involved as well and you know part of the problem from my understanding with 9-11 is none of the Intel were talking to each other and now it's like all the Intel's are talking to each other All the Intel's are talking to each other so

Like all the different intelligence agencies whoever's collecting and picking up from different countries or okay so you're saying like a more of a united front of a CIA Massad MI6 than it was before Yeah, or you're saying more at your level Definitely at our level Definitely at our level then our interagency partners and all our allies like our closest allies. That's what I'm saying So yeah, yeah We're all pointing the exact same direction which is the source of our strength really is how good our allies are and how much?

We really do support each other Got it. So When you say that, like you guys, do you see Delta as a team? Do you see 18 Deltas as a team? Do you see Delta Force as a team? Do you guys see each other as equals? Mm-hmm.

You do, so okay. Was it more competitive pre-911? Where it was a little bit more lax, and now it's like, listen, no one's gonna ever do a 911 again under our watch. It certainly felt like the 90s you know I wasn't active duty in 90s but I grew up in 90s a lot of it was training you deployed to Germany you do interagency ops with Poland all our all European counterparts they deployed up they do cold weather training in Alaska for six months I mean everything was just a big training mission waiting for one big

thing to pop and now that it has popped and we've seen it we've come so far tactically, technologically in the last 20, 25 years but I think now like we're in such a good spot to defend the nation and now with our allies too. I mean 9-11 was the worst thing that's ever happened to us but in a lot of ways if it wouldn't have happened we'd be in the stone age still. I mean we are you look at body armor AI just digital communications everything that had to elevate and grow so fast if we wouldn't had 9-eleven We wouldn't we would have stayed the same way and I look at it like and it's a sound messed up

But if you look at um blackhawk down October 393 Look at the gear they're wearing and then look at them when they stepped on the ground in Afghanistan. Not much change, same body armor, same carbines, same helmets, nothing really changed because they didn't have a reason to evolve. Now you step foot on Afghanistan like, oh my God, this is not the same, this is very, very different.

Then you teleport that same crew in Iraq three years later. Oh wow, oh no, like these ideas are a serious issue right now They're detonating in 50 different ways like we can't stay ahead of this how we're gonna do it engineers attack this problem over and over and over Eod everything you come across pumpus info. We've got to be able to solve this and that's what they did I mean We think about it like if we only would have hit afghanistan No iraq there are so many lessons we learned from ira Iraq that if we wouldn't have invaded we wouldn't have had them Like we would not have evolved to where we are right now if we wouldn't have hit him both

I'm not saying we should have hit him both, but I'm saying the benefit of doing them it really I Mean a learning curve Tactics techniques procedures just everything it really really evolved during the height of the war and all our allies really benefited from it Let me let me ask you so has Because technology is advanced on all levels right so the way they did 9-eleven You know and now afterwards like whoa no, it's not gonna happen again. What do we make a mistake boom communications? What's wrong? Okay, great, so we knew we had scientists. We about science. Okay, airport, who was able to get in? The enemy, their technology's advanced as much as us, our technology's advanced, right?

Is it easier for the enemy to, the level of advancement to be able to conduct another 9-11 in a more creative way, has that advanced more than our ability to prevent it from happening? What do you think has advanced more? I think with growing in technology threats, I'm not going to say you can't keep up with them. I mean, it's kind of like, I say hacking, you're always stepping up that code to protect your systems, but as technology evolves, you're always kind of playing that code to protect your systems. But as technology evolves, you're always kind of playing that cat and mouse game

of maybe the technology hasn't evolved as fast, but your defense is higher and kind of vice versa. But I think they're always evolving every year and then new threats. I mean, it's no different if you and me are both professional boxers. You're doing your training camp. I do a secret training camp with some ninjas

and I'm just training in isolation. You no idea there's no training footage leaking you have no idea what I'm doing I step out Bell rings and I hit you with something you've never ever seen before okay now I have to go back to the drawing board now everybody else sees that I think a lot of this time it sucks but you're almost in a you're almost in a defensive posture like we've prepped for everything we know right now we have contingencies for the unknowns and if they happen this is how we're gonna this is how we're gonna combat it So which one are we though are we the one that's trained and improved without anybody seen it or is that the enemy both? Okay, so that's that's a little bit intense. It is because yeah, I mean it's spy on spy

I mean you're trained you're perfecting advancing as much as you can but you have to do it in secrecy and that's where a lot Of the general public they want to know everything you're doing. The Area 51s release all the documents. We want to have full open source to everything the military does. You can't do that. You shouldn't have any right to do that. Because if you know it, everybody else knows it. Well, they're doing the exact same thing.

Just a lot of time their trade craft is better. Like they don't have cell phone communication. They just do it in straight isolation. They bring in all the parties from all the other countries and train them up on bomb making and all this other stuff. Now they're doing isolation. They're not putting out propaganda videos so you don't know how far ahead they are. You hear a rumor mill. There's a community that said, hey, you know, Trump his first four years when he was president, there was no wars, ISIS was gone, you know, a bunch of different progress that took place and then Biden comes in, Ukraine, Russia, you

know, you got Israel, Hamas, all these things that are taking place all over the place. Now Trump is in. Day one peace, you know, deal between Ukraine and Russia. Day one, we're going to have Iran, Israel is going to be done, that's not gonna happen. It's Hamas boom. Okay, great now it's Slightly different energy if you do this we're going to do this. Okay, and Better release the hostages. They don't you better release the hostages. They don't you better release the hostages. They don't What is your position because some are saying I'm a fully?

don't. What is your position? Because some are saying, I'm a fully anti-war. If Trump, I swear to God, if Trump goes out there and we go to war, I'll be the first one to come out and say that I make the biggest regret of my life ever to vote for Trump and I should have never done it. We cannot be going to war and we're getting closer to war. What's your position with that? Just putting it on you, Cole. I'll say the limited foreign policy that I somewhat know. We've always helped fund our partners internationally to protect whether it's just a partnership or there's a mutual benefit between those. And we've become kind of taken advantage of on that,

on how we help support and fund those, and where the countries kind of just depend on us no matter what. I appreciate Trump's approach on kind of getting or trying to get those wars to stop. Understanding both sides of why they're angry, why they're fighting. I don't know the conversations that go on behind closed doors on how they get Trump pushes them to get the treaties, but I think it's great. It would definitely be something different if we were attacked here and we were having to attack a different country But really trying to minimize and stabilize

the countries and environments and I say there's always a winner in war but it's like no one's winning. I mean both sides are losing people so it's not strategic and I are losing people. So it's not strategic. And I mean, I think it's just good that he's able to try and create peace on those. What do you think? I think if you haven't fought in the war, if you haven't given up your children to fight in the war, I don't really care about your opinion.

And I know that sounds bad, but we've been doing this for a long time. And if I didn't think it was a worthy cause, I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't. And if Trump did a recall right now and I had to slap it all back on, I'd go, because I think it's worth it. I watched him for four years,

avoid all these major conflicts. He is not one of those dudes, some warmonger just trying to push, and he's not. If he was, he would have done it. He had every reason to do it. He was the most powerful dude in the world. If you wanted to spend your first four years just laying hate and waste to everybody who ever did you wrong? He could have done it. He didn't do it

I watched him be really diplomatic and solve a lot of issues with just a phone call that I hadn't seen before Yeah, I mean my foreign policy is not as good as it probably should be I mean There's a lot of backdoor conversations that are happening But at the end of the day, if you say you can't ever do that thing ever again, and they continue to do it, at what point are you gonna send it? Gonna go the entire way.

That's where it gets dangerous. You call their bluff. If you don't release hostages, I'm doing X, Y, and Z. They don't release them. Well, now I've kind of painted us all in a corner, and that's where it gets kind of dicey. Well, you have to go now. You have to go. You have to go.

You have to go. And I don't know what he says on these phone calls to get them to change their mind. I have no idea, but it's working. I mean, he's done it successfully multiple times. I don't want us to go to war. I definitely don't want us to go to war with China, with Russia, with any of these people.

But at a certain point, we cannot, you can't give them the ninch. If you do, it'll take a mile. I think a lot of times, just like Cole said, we become the blanket of coverage and support for everyone else. And Ukraine's a perfect example. We have to fly over quite a few countries that are really close to Ukraine in order to give them support.

And I feel like not a lot of other people are. Okay, we say that like, well, if they take Ukraine, they're just gonna keep going. What are you guys gonna do about it? Like I shouldn't have to fly from our country over all of your countries and land there and try to solve that for you. We should all be trying to solve it together.

And I feel like we always have to be the big brother to step in first and kind of draw that line in the sand. And it puts a lot of people against us. and then it serves up a lot of hate and discontent inside of the own country. It just does. People don't want to go to war, they want to go to war, they see this, they see that. A lot of times it's a lose-lose. When you're in it and they're given a mission, they're not explaining why. They're just saying, here's the mission, go. For you, we're gonna go take out, that's Anselmo Leimani, we're gonna go take out,

Osama Bin Laden. Does the chief, does the leader sit there and say, here's why we're doing it, because of this, this, this, this, that, or no, guys, get ready, we're leaving at 1800, boom, I'm leaving at this. Is that how it's communicated? Or do you guys ask the question, why are we doing this? They always provide an intel package and why.

They go over it from start to finish. I mean, it's a complete picture. Everybody knows why. Every contingency. And then when they do say why, are there side conversations saying, I don't know why we're doing this, it's not even worth it? Or no, it's like, no, we're locked in, let's go. I think the side conversations are more on the logistics

and the timing. Got it. That more environmental. Got it. You said something earlier, you said, at times I felt like we were being used. What did you mean by that? You mean the US? Yeah, you said sometimes I feel like we're being used by other countries that yeah that we're all they're expecting

We're always gonna step in and and cover their back We're gonna fund it. We're gonna support them And there's no real thought of their internal defense system. It's always like, they're the little brother, and they're like, I have my big brother, and I know he's always going to show up. And the day he doesn't, what's going to happen? But I mean, I think, again, our resources, our technology,

are used genuinely in partnership, but some of the countries, I feel like, expect it. And they have no kind of responsibility, almost. Are you talking kind of like Ukraine? No, I have zero perspective on what their their perspective or expectations of her with us But if Russia is invading their country that I mean you had 89 year old Grandmothers grabbing a case to defend their house

I think we'd have the same if somebody some other country was trying to invade us like we're gonna protect where we live and Whether they're politically involved or not have some political stance or they have family in Russia I think there are quite a few stories of you know families fighting each other on the Russian side in Ukraine But it's like I I would 100% defend my own And I think that's what they're doing. I Mean, do you think if I'm I'll just ask it over to you Do you think if Trump was president Russia would have invaded Ukraine? No, no Not at all. I don't think so either. I don't think so at all

Yeah, no, I think it no, I don't think so now Well, I mean you kind of said it's not the negotiation now now he says give, give me the hostage, give me the hostage, give me the hostage. You don't do anything. It's like Putin when he's being said, if you guys do this, I have a nuclear weapon to use. Because Putin's the last few years has threatened nuclear. He's gone straight up and said that, right? That's a pretty big threat. And you said take every threat that, right? That's a pretty big threat. And you said take every

threat seriously, right? So what I said a few times, I'm like, dude, you can't keep threatening and not doing anything. Either don't make the threat, or if you do, be ready that if they don't back down to your threat, you have to actually execute the threat. So use your threats accordingly. You know, you don't wanna be threatening every month. You lose the power of the threat. So I feel like what happened with Putin, kind of Trump's been put in that situation right now a little bit with Hamas and the hostages and Israel,

which, you know, the slippery slope. Well, he said something. He said about the phoneages and Israel which You know The slippery slope. We said something you said about the phone calls You don't know what he says on the phone calls, but whatever he says he gets them to Do something who knows what those phone calls are about who would love to be on those phone calls just to hear what he says It break the internet. There's no telling what he's saying, but it's working. What do you imagine? He says on these go? I bet he's saying That's gonna be play golf He might like a purely a fun conversation. It's not even like a Hey, listen, I swear to God if you do anything your golf memberships are done permanently never again

Marlago done the meatballs will suck. We're gonna give you two week old meatballs He's doing something He's saying something on that phone that is scaring him. Does a commander in chief like that make you wanna fight for him? Cause you just said right now, if something happens, there's a recall, you're in, no problem.

100%. Seriously. How old are you guys? 41. Oh yeah, you're still okay, yeah. Sick. I love that. I love that energy though.

Like we're ready. Look at you. You have a smile like this the entire podcast. I'm just love that. I love that energy though. Like we're ready. Look at the, you have a smile like this the entire podcast. I'm just saying that. You stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready. Oh brother call. Yeah, I'll throw it on real quick dude. Real quick.

There is something special about fighting for America and our freedom. Tell me what that is. I mean, patriotism. Like I don't have to know you. We don't have to have the same beliefs. But I love this country. I love the choices everybody gets.

I love the freedom, the opportunity. I'll die for it today. Fight for it, absolutely. Our kids, our kids' kids, like, I want them to have the same choices, chances that we enjoy. God, I love that, man. I'm in the army first time, I'm like, I joined the army for the GI Bill originally.

None of my parents were from Iran, so it's not like I went because my dad was a 99 cent store cashier, so it's not like I'm going because of that. We go in and I joined April 15th, give or take, whatever the dates were. I go to, what do you call it? Before you go to boot camp,

that one week where you get the vaccination, the air gun vaccinations, you know, you get a scab, all that stuff, you go, meps? Is it meps? I think it's meps. And you get to the unit, and then you're in boot camp, and then Memorial Day, whatever is end of May, Memorial Day, yes, so Memorial Day happens,

and there's a ceremony. And I look at these guys who are decorated, uniform, everything in tears, stand, guys that are tough, understand? I like this, you just see tears. I'm like, whoa. I say, Gerald Sarin, what's going on over here? Do you know what those guys did?

Do you know what that guy did? Do you know his story? Do you know what happened? These guys love their country. From that moment on, Fourth of July came, because that that's right after it and you're just standing there, dude This is and then we go to our unit 101st airborne I get there September of 97 can you look rap when saving private Ryan came out they take us they said there's a movie coming out about your unit you

Guys get to watch it first we go there 600 of us in the unit we watch saving private Ryan what you're there. gotta be 97, okay Yeah, so so that's so weird so movie comes out in 97 98 We see this movie in 97 and we watch this movie. This is about your unit This is the hunter force it was done after that that the pride of wearing that you know the the badge and You know I I got out because I wanted to get into business and I got one phone call, but it was a unique experience of having that pride and loving your country.

Were you brainwashed a little bit? Probably, but I don't mind who's washing my brain. You know, sometimes you have to be asking yourself, because, you know, that can go in many different ways, the negative side as well. Having the level of pride in your country there's nothing like it I don't know if we helped at the last four years I don't know if the last four years we sold America and our military the way that we typically do you're

seeing the recruiting numbers that have come out of right now which is a beautiful thing but I love seeing your level of patriotism Pete Hicks that did you guys ever serve with them did you guys ever work with them yeah no never never had any interaction. How do you think he's doing? How do you think he's doing? Not his hair, because his hair looks good, okay? Hair looks great.

Hair looks great. How do you think he's doing? Because when he got the job, you know, out of nowhere, Pete Hexett, Pete Hexett, Pete Hexett, given a big job like that, how do you think he's doing? I think right now it's pretty young, pretty new into it. I think he's gonna develop,

I think he's surrounding himself with really good people and I think the fact that he is down to earth, he is one of the boys, I'm just classified as that, not a politician, not gonna be bought, not gonna be paid for, and I know a bunch of people that really, really know him and they all classify him as a dude. He's a dude's dude.

He's a good guy, he really cares, and he is a fucking patriot. And honestly, that's what I want to be around. I want a dude that walks the walk, talks the talk, and really, really cares. And I think he really, really does. I think right now, I mean, all signs right now show me that he's gonna do a great job.

Yeah, you know, the idea of having moral authority, where the guys are willing to say, this guy understands me. Sometimes a guy telling you what to do, you're like, dude, you don't even know what we've done. Like, you don't even know our life to really appreciate and respect us. Like, I've been a sales guy my entire life.

I understand the value. Somebody that sells, it sucks. Gotta make the phone calls, gotta get rejected. You're gonna have days where you're not gonna make any money. You guys run a business, so you know what it's like when things are not going your way. How much does that matter when the guy that's gonna be at a level like this,

especially nowadays, is younger, none of the woke stuff, has served before, how much does that matter to the guys that are now following his lead? Well, I'll be honest, I never had that opportunity. I would love to have that. A guy that's actually doing PT with you, a guy that comes out, you know, first month on a job, he's standards equal across the board.

I'm sick of the social experience, we're done. If you can't do 15 pull-ups, you're out. I don't care if you're a male, a female, brown, white, black, Chinese, I don't care. If you can't meet the standard, you're not here. Thank God. Finally somebody said it. I mean outside of the Marine Corps everybody basically lowered the standard. Everybody did. I'm so glad he brought it back. No more of that. It doesn't make us better. It doesn't. To do the DEI stuff that we were doing. No.

Weakening the force does not help anybody. It doesn't. Lowering the standard, I mean, we pulled up one day, we had a world-class strength and conditioning coach, Vernon Griffiths, he's supposed to five days a week, been with him for seven years, he's the world's best. And we talked about it, just, if you look at in the 40s and 50s, high school, gymnasium class,

what they were doing, rope climbs, every single person, the monkey bars, O course, pushups, pull ups, sit ups, running, like they don't even do a mile run in school anymore, the physical standard has dropped so far and there's no reason for it, because now we have the best athletes that have ever lived. It's not a matter of nutrition, science, data, exercise, I mean we have all the data here to make super humans

and for whatever reason we just don't want to do it. I'm not about that life. Everybody, in my opinion, everybody should be walking around looking like Dolph Lundgren off Rocky IV. Like your physical presence matters. When you see guys go through a threshold, they should be the most intimidating people on the planet. Yeah, it's funny you're saying this. Do you remember the clip of John F. Kennedy when he was talking about fat kids you ever seen that one where he you've never seen this you got it Rob can you pull this up this is John F Kennedy talking about nothing more unfortunate than fat children and this

was a speech when did he give this speech Rob I'm gonna send it to you there's two of them I send you the first one and second one if you can pull up the second one that I just sent. Okay, is this? This is the first. Give me one second, I'll get the second. This is him on. My man, you are so fast on that computer.

God, I need one of you. Rob is a genius. Rob is very quick with this. But the other one, Rob, that if you pull up, this one's 23 seconds. Watch this here, go for it. Hey, what's going on, guys? DJ Shipley and Colfac from GBRS Group.

Wanna talk to you real quick about my neck. Retired Navy SEALALs, entrepreneurs and co-founders of GBRS Group. Cover everything from flat range shooting, mental health, mental resiliency, physical education, anything you guys really want to drop into search us on MNAC, find us on there and love to connect with you guys. We'll talk soon. There is nothing, I think, more unfortunate than to have soft, chubby, fat-looking children who go to watch their school play basketball every Saturday and regard that as their week's exercise. I hope that all of you will join and everybody in the United States to make sure that our children participate fully in a vigorous and adventurous life which is possible for them in this very rich country of ours. Can you imagine saying that two years ago?

Fat children, chubby fat children, offensive, you know, is this continuing of that Rob? Yeah, this is the longer clip, it's about three minutes. Let me just, let's just hear the first minute Rob. Fast forward if you could a little bit and when he starts talking, go for it. ...to speak to the people of America about a subject which I believe to be most important, and that is the subject of physical fitness. And I speak not only as president of the but also as a parent of two children Who I hope will grow up with those qualities of vigor and energy

Which we identify with the best of America This should be a matter of concern to us all a country is as strong really as its citizens And I think that mental and physical health mental and physical vigor go hand in hand bigger I hope that we will not find a day in the United States when all of us are spectators except for a few who are out on the field I hope all Americans will be on the field as they will concern themselves with the education of their children, with the physical development of their children, with the participation in the vigorous life,

and then also as their children get older, inculcate into them a desire to maintain that vigor through their normal life. Our citizens are living longer, and we want them to participate fully in that longer life. But they can only do so if they give some of their time and some of their effort to maintaining that vitality. You can pause it. Gotta love this. How do we get to a point where now we are

where we are with physical fitness? How does that happen? Entitlement. No accountability. Low in the standard. I mean, we've we've been saying this for a couple years There are too many kids that never got punched in the face on the playground that have now grown up and become adults Getting trophies for losing everybody gets a trophy Not working for anything

expecting everything and Now it's spilling over to the kids The parents are offended. You can't say that to my kid. I'm not sure exactly how old you are. I know you're older than us. But it's like how we grew up, it was like, there weren't always, here, take this medicine.

You're bouncing off the wall. You were held accountable. Schools dealt with you. They weren't just like, oh, they're a problem. They can't be here. And the schools have become softer. There's no question about it. I mean, you get kids that get suspended or not allowed to go to school annual trips because they were play fighting with the kids. Boys specifically, you want this boy to be a man, but you're making them

soft. What are you doing? Sometimes this happens that, you know, private schools. And the challenge with that is, I read something about how boys used to be raised by men. And a lot of times now there's teachers, most of them are purely through professions. It's a lot of them are women. So the way they raise boys is the way they would raise girls.

And they think they're doing a good job, but they're making them softer. And how do you balance that out? It's a very complicated situation where we've been in this for a long time. To change this is gonna take a minute. It's not gonna happen overnight. It's gonna take a minute.

It's gonna be the involvement of fathers being there to shape them up and challenge there to, you know, shape them up and challenge them and let them know, hey, this is normal. This is what life looks like. You're going to get punched in the face sometimes. It's going to suck at times. Trust me, in business you get punched in the face every day and you don't have a choice. Sometimes you get punched in other places where your voice changes. So you've got to be braced for impact when you're getting kicked. But yeah, no, I'm with you there when it comes down to that. But it's funny that John F. Kennedy gave that speech.

John F. Kennedy, imagine like a job, that John F. Kennedy was a Democrat, given a speech that directs, your kids are chubby and fat. Get your act together, parents. What are you feeding them? I can see Trump giving a speech like that, okay, very easily. Okay, let me go to the next story here. So PMCs, right, we've had Eric Prince on a couple times, private military contractors, and we've had that conversation with them. It's almost as if movies are portraying what's gonna happen in 20 to 40 years. Okay, and you watch them, you're like,

yeah, I don't know, maybe, seriously? That'd be crazy. It's no longer crazy. It's not crazy, it's normal. Yeah, a movie 30 years ago, that was crazy. Wow, even I said that was crazy. Now I've accepted it as the norm. Huh, so let me kind of take this in a different so I'm watching Iron Man

One and two we're going through it the hope we had Terrence Howard the other day on the podcast So we went through watching Iron Man one because he's in it. So now Dylan is like that I want to watch Iron Man 2 so watching Iron Man 2 in Iron Man 2 Whoever's the Mitch McConnell role or the Chuck Schumer role is asking Robert Downey Jr. to give up the Iron Man robot to the government. He says, I'm not going to be doing that. He says, look what Iran is doing. He shows this clip, the robots that they're building in Iran. And look what Russia's building. And look what this is building. Showing the fact that everybody is building their own form of a superhuman Iron Man machine

that you get to use, fly, travel, all this other stuff, right? Okay. And then this guy's a billionaire, he's very wealthy, he has the ability to build this stuff, he's super smart, he's super brilliant. And then you bring it to today. Elon Musk has given a speech about robots. And Rob, if you can pull up the speech, he says, you know, in the next 10, 20 years, the average person is going to be able to buy robots for $20,000 or $30,000.

And I believe there's going to be, you know, Tesla's going to have 10 or 20% of the robot market, okay, he's talking about. When you're sitting there and processing future threats of military, I'm curious if this even happened or not, how much of the conversation is... That's the one, Rob. If you can play that. No, you just added, Rob. The one right there. Yeah, play this clip if you could. Is there an audio to it? Oh, perfect. Go for it. Even the most optimistic estimates that I've seen for optimists, the optimist for optimists, the optimist optimist, I think under

under count the magnitude of what this robot will be able to do. You know as I said at the beginning of the presentation, I agree with the ARK Invest analysis that autonomous transport is called sort of a $5 to $7 trillion market cap situation. Optimus, I think, is a $25, literally $25 trillion market cap situation. Yeah that's not it. There was another clip that says, it says there will be $30,000. Here it is. Is that the one? Play that clip Rob. I think everyone in the world is going to want one. Like literally everyone. And then there will be obviously robots in industry making stuff. So I mean I think the ratio of humanoid robots to humans

will probably be at least two to one, something like that. One to one for sure, which means like somewhere on the order of 10 billion humanoid robots. Maybe 20 or 30. And so then it's like, okay, well let's say, you know, you kind of make, let's say the build rate is, I think the build rate will be probably something ultimately like a billion a year, humanoid robots. Like actually. A billion a year humanoid robots like actually a billion a year and if Tesla just has a 10% share of that and it might be a lot

more than 10% and there's you know who make like 100 million optimist units a year I just I mean for reference the auto industry is roughly a hundred million vehicles per year so that you, sort of similar bullpup, at least within an order of magnitude. And I think we could make one for a cost of maybe at really high scale of about $10,000. It's smaller, it'd be less expensive than a car. You can pause it right there.

Okay, so check this out. 10,000, so for me, if I'm the chief of, put me as the sergeant major of the army, sergeant major of whatever Navy, whatever that position is, or the four star general, whatever this is, are my enemies to worry about officiallyially governments that have to worry about or do I have to worry about free market billionaires that are soon to be trillionaires they're gonna be able to have a million robots that they can build and

Deploy that how do we regulate them? What what new threats are we gonna have five ten, twenty years from now where that could be taking place? Do you guys talk about that and when you went in for those seventeen years, at what level were those conversations coming up? It was no, it's just here's what China's doing, here's what Russia's doing, here's what this is doing. What were those conversations like? I mean I think the worst world war that ever happened be between AWS, Google, Apple. we've seen it Terminator I think I don't

think it's unrealistic at this point for sure with AI the speed it's evolving I mean everybody will have one in their house just like Alexa or whatever Amazon kind of will be in there out of convenience do your laundry pick your kids up get groceries They'll make it affordable owner for five ten years lease it buy it get new models It'll be a problem when they can't control them You have short wire kill the dog attack one of the kids like you know We've all seen the movie. I don't put a whole lot of faith in that I mean that is a serious concern though. I mean he has

An ungodly amount of money And if he wanted to build an entire robot army and deployed he most certainly could I mean you see the same thing with some of the drone stuff now They can throw out a couple thousand drones do these huge parades and all this stuff all you do is put a little bit of Armament on them. It's a very hard thing to combat and The robot stuff will scare us, but I mean it never came up in conversation The only thing we're trying to do is solve a human problem. Because for our line-

I think it's about to change. So do I. I think it's about to change. And yeah, because to me, the PMC side, I kind of support, right? Because you need more competition, which is good. You need like private military contractors now if the PMC is

Deploying business to our enemies and us it's kind of weird conflict of interest. So then I have a problem with that So you're sending 88 former military whatever guys to help Russia and to help Ukraine and to help this so then do you sign NDAs and say we'll do this 238 million dollar contract with you but you can't do with my enemy Russia for the next three years is that kind of how the deals are gonna get done hey free market we're selling cars I'm gonna sell robots guess what Russia wants to buy a million robots from us this person wants to buy two million robots from us now there's wants to buy two million robots from us. Now there's robots that travel. Now there's robots that fly. Now one guy comes in, battery ends, drops,

six people die. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Again, everything is about anticipating a future war. I wonder how much of us, I want to believe that our military is already ready for the 2045 war, not the 2025 war. I want to believe that. Do you believe we are working towards that or you guys are in it? What do you think? I mean, we're not in it anymore, but they were always talking about the next ridgeline, always. Even when Iraq was brand new, they were always foreshadhadowing always looking for the next obstacles is gonna come up

You know if this happens these two countries aligned will be dealing with this and you got a lot of people in the US military They're just looking at future conflicts. I have no doubt. They're trying to actively combat that but that is not coming an easy thing to crack especially I mean People with ungodly amounts of money can just do kind of whatever they want to at a certain point yeah if you don't hold them accountable if you don't make them sign on dotted line like you cannot provide this tech to our adversaries if they're not willing to do that then I think you shouldn't be able to get support from this country I mean Lockheed Martin I think definitely didn't sell f-35s to Russia, but I know they sell them internationally.

At least what the article said is, they don't get our version. So they may look the same, but internally and how they perform, ours perform better. So if we sell, or they sell F-35s to Thailand, it may look like the same F-35 we have, but ours is more capable.

How certain are we of that? That's the trust we have in the government and the State Department and NITAR. Rob, can you pull that up? Can you just search it and see? Gotta ask Chad GBT. If, you said Lockheed Martin, right? If Lockheed Martin sells F35s to us

versus, what country do we want to say? Russia? Nah, they don't sell to Russia. Versus who? Anybody. Give a country, anything. Versus? UK?

UK. How different are the models or are they identical? Great question, 35 is designed to be multi-steel north stream of air. There are notable differences between the Lockheed Martin Seltzer, the US and the UK. The special, so the variants are three things. F-35 conventional takeoff CTO used by US Air Force.

F-35B short takeoff vertical landing used by US Marine Corps. UK Royal Navy and Air Force. F-35C carrier based version used by the US Navy. US models are F-35A Air Force F-35B Marines, F-35C Navy. They also receive top-tier hardware software, full access to mission data files, proprietary electronic warfare, unrestricted access to source codes to deeper integration, full control over weapons, the UK models use excessively F-35 variant, Queen Elizabeth cancer, it's the only tier one partner in F-35 program and has, okay, can you ask the follow-up question and say which countries does Lockheed Martin not sell f-35s to

Lockheed Martin Not sell f-35s to f-35s to yeah, let's see what it says She curious not like if the US government gets involved Lockheed Martin does not sell f-35 to several countries primarily due to US exports, European concerns, lack of alignment. Countries not allowed. Russia, obvious conflict. China. Okay, good. Iran, North Korea, all four make sense. Syria, Cuba, makes sense. Venezuela, makes sense. Turkey, interesting. That's got to be recent. was a partner about kicked out of the program in 2019

For purchasing the Russian s-400 missile system seen as a security risk to the f-35, huh? Just six years ago countries not currently approved but may express interest India Indonesia Egypt Vietnam Saudi Arabia who is approved to buy NATO allies close allies so all the NATO and then Japan, South Korea. See, that's interesting to me, to have that kind of a system. To me, my question is not countries moving forward. It really isn't. You get a guy who has all the money in the world and decides to build real weapons, and

then the government tells him to do something, no. And then the government needs him for the products that he's producing. So they also don't want to do anything to him because the reliability is on that guy. Well, it's going to be very interesting. The next 20 years are going to be potentially many of these movies we watched the last 20 years. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's sketchy.

It's so much easier fighting a human. It just is. It's so much easier fighting a person than it is. That's what I'm saying though. Like for you guys, you're like listen, if I fight a human, guess what? If you kill me, you beat us. You know what? Cool.

But you're going up against robots? We're talking about robots. Alan Iverson would say, we're talking about robots here. That's a very different situation. Yeah. Just fight them on the water. Do what? Fight them on the water.

Fight them on the water? Robots don't do good in water. What do you feel the safest? Like for you guys got families, like if you were to add a guy here, his name was, he's the only guy that we brought on the podcast back to back within a month What was his name Rob that Peter pry Peter pry do you guys know Peter pry? This guy was the expert in EMPs and nuclear weapons Peter pry we brought him two times in a month

It was so interesting and then Second time around we brought him the guy ended up passing away months later If you remember that. It was such a tragic, sudden, all of a sudden we're like, wait, what happened? We just had to get on a podcast twice in a month. And I asked him, where do you feel the safest to live, to have your kids?

You guys are military. If this is the direction that's going, you got kids, you got family, you have the resources, where would you feel building something to feel the safest in case shit were to hit the fan? And you got family. What do you do with your two girls? Mood Montana get off the grid Yeah, definitely move inland

England good. Yeah, but you're not there yet. You're not you're not thinking about it yet. No No, the business on the East Coast can't leave it now No, yeah kind of stuck there. I mean, in a perfect world, you'd be more inland. So in other words, what you're saying is maybe in the next five years, you're gonna employ 200 robots. Yes, sir. Put them right on the ocean, just look out.

I dare you to come in and do something here to us. Okay, so another question. Okay, the, when I was in Iran, when we came here, they're talking about marijuana, they're talking about weed, smoking weed and all this stuff. We would hear, you know, teriyak. We would hear about opium and different things that guys would do, right?

In Afghanistan or maybe any of these other places how much was the drug epidemic was there a drug epidemic going on? The poppies the protection of the poppies have you seen those pictures with the poppies are being protected I want to pull up some of these pictures here Were you guys ever around this were you do you guys ever seen any of this stuff? Why is this so important for us the US military to protect some of these places? So they make all their money Tell me do it's how they fund everything. I mean their number one export is that And in marijuana to be fields of it in Afghanistan They would burn bricks like we would use wood for fires to stay warm. They burn bricks and marijuana stay warm

Bricks of marijuana that here you could sell it for God knows how much. Yeah, I mean they're probably five pound bricks. Easily. Oh dad, and you got the guys chewing the cotton. Africa. What is that right there? That's a cannabis field in Afghanistan. Far as the eye can see. There's a bunch of really cool pictures. We didn't hit a bunch of those things There's a ton of photos like green berets neck deep and it was just armfuls of like, what are we doing? They're telling you to burn the entire field

author of kerosene setting a whole thing on fire just get up window and Send it Are you kidding? Like you talk about secondhand high at the highest level if you're burning all this stuff. If you're angled properly with the wind coming your way. Yeah, set a fire, get on a helicopter. Yeah, guys, stand over there, the wind is coming. Every's all blasted out.

But yeah, I mean, that's what they have to do with it. That's how they make all their money. And they have endless supplies of it. That's how they're funding terrorism. I remember one time in Afghanistan, it blew my mind, they literally had drug rehab facilities there For heroin for for us or for them like for them in Afghanistan, you know Treat it like a drugstore. They just had a drug rehab place for heroin for Afghans

Blew my mind. I had no idea. What is the stat Robert? Do we know any stats with the drug issues in Afghanistan like what? Do we know any stats with the drug issues in Afghanistan like what? No, that's a good one how much the world opium comes from Afghanistan Wow, there you go. Damn. Yeah. Holy shit. Are you joking? How many minutes are national pastime? 90%? 2022 cultivation Afghanistan was estimated at 233,000 hectares,

marking 32% increase from the previous year. However, the following the Taliban ban on opium cultivation, there was a significant reduction in production by 2023 Opium cultivation has decreased by over 95 percent. That's a lot It's a lot of money being lost despite 90% increased cultivation on the terms on the cultivation right 2022 as a result of again Wow

When you guys were there would they ever try to bribe you we made a video this week on blackmail how blackmail is one of the oldest currencies that a lot of people in power use. I mean, the whole Epstein stuff, you hear blackmail, all this stuff. Would they ever try to bribe you or win you guys over, the locals, when they see guys like you? No. You don't have a chance. Why not?

Because there's no conversation. There's no conversation. We're not there. I specifically are not don't have a chance. Why not? Because there's no conversation. Yeah, there's no conversation. We're not, us specifically are not there to have a conversation. Not the regular guys, I'm talking about specifically not at all, you come in to do a job and you're out. There's nothing you're gonna say to stop it now. Put your hands out, lay down, or.

That's it. We can speak a universal language. How fast, how? It would be interesting to go over that when you talk about The decrease of 95% of opium Remember what else was kind of going on around there when we pulled out and China came in and made a deal with the Taliban They're super rare earth metal rich

It's just been impossible since there's a war been going on to be actually actually be able to mine them What is that rare? It ties into electric vehicles and batteries like lithium or something is a lithium or is it what's the other one? Not cobalt is it? Might be a mixture. I'm not sure So I've against I'm estimated approximately 1.4. Minutes around minerals minerals globally. But what specific, what specific rare earth element is it, because if it's cobalt or... Aircraft engines always batteries catalytic converters

makes sense by the way I just looked it up here in 2021 it was estimated that the opium related activities accounted for 9 to 14% of the country's GDP wow that is wild for them to have that going on that's absolutely insane Leaving Afghanistan the way we left okay, you know that was obviously a big Story here. I think it was what was it was a May of 2020 May of 2020 I think it was When when was it when we left what month was it when we left was it says August 30th of 2021?

Completed the United States Armed Forces completed their withdrawal from Afghanistan on August 30th 2021 Okay, so which stipulated the fighting restrictions from the US and Taliban and returned Taliban's counterterrorism provided from withdrawn NATO from all Afghanistan By May 1st, 2021. Got it. So, okay. When this happened and you're seeing it everywhere, we're hearing about it,

your initial reaction on how big of a screw up this was. Kind of devastating. Just devastating. You gotta think, most of the people that joined, think of like the Pat Tillmans of the world, the people that just stopped everything they were doing to pick up arms and serve the nation,

that's why you did it. I understand why I don't side with those people, the guys that didn't want to get involved with Iraq. I get it. You can't tell me the same thing for Afghanistan. You can't. But when we went there, I mean, me and Cole, I'll say we got stuck in Iraq for three rotations.

I wanted to go to Afghanistan so bad I could taste it. I know he did, too. It was like, that felt like that's where you're supposed to be. Why is that? Because you flew planes into the Trade Center, killed thousands of our people, that's why. It's like, we're going to get vengeance for nothing else. I'll be honest, I'm not there to liberate anybody. I'm only there to

Get get even that's it. It's the only reason I'm there and then when you pull out you think about all the people that sacrifice Their lives for that entire war That's the way you're gonna pull out that we've already seen it before we saw Vietnam. We've done this before we should have done this much much better Made to seem like all for nothing. I don't know. Yeah. It was hard for sure. Yeah, it was tough to watch.

I mean it felt like there was no respect for the people that had paid their lives, the US lives, and fighting there and being dedicated. It felt like, I know a lot of families that lost loved ones, brothers, sisters, sons, fathers, daughters, moms, it just felt super disrespectful. And the people that were the last to leave, they felt like they were left to hang out. Good luck. You ever see the documentary Restrepo?

You should watch it. What's it called? Rastrippo. I believe it's an army unit, top of, I think it's in a corn goal. Just a nightmare, but it documents the entire deployment. When we pulled out, you should definitely watch it. You'd love it.

Really, really good. I'm gonna watch it tonight. When they pulled out, the Taliban released them inside of that camp running on the treadmills, living in their beds. Look, we just left everything. All the technology. Why?

But you don't think they can fly a C-130? Of course they can. They'll figure it out. A couple of videos of them trying. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, man. When you come back from Vietnam, you see them pushing the Hueys off the edge of the ship like it cost too much to ferry them back We're just gonna sink them all why are we not just blowing all that stuff in place? I get it

Math it makes it cost too much money to fly them all back here. We have too much in reserve. It's cool Why are we not blowing them all up or selling them to the allies? You're just gonna leave them all for them That makes no sense to me. Why do you think we didn't I? Have no idea. A shitty plan? I'm a very logical person. Logically it makes no sense. You left them all the armor, all the weapons, all the night vision, everything that makes us superior, you gave it to them. Why? I mean we've been training thousands of these guys. I mean there's some serious forces in Afghanistan we've been

building the last 20 years, and you just left them there. What's gonna happen? They'll get killed. Taliban knows who they are. They just wipe them all off the face of the earth. Just what they do. That's why there was such a big push.

You saw a bunch of SF guys who were going back to Afghanistan and trying to pull these families out, the interpreters and all of that, it's because we dumped so much time and energy into them. Like they were trying to make their country better, and now we just left them That's not gonna work and it didn't yeah to me a very disheartening to see that whole thing happen How do you think Ukraine and Russia is gonna end? How do you think that's gonna end?

You think it's gonna end soon or you think that that's gonna continue? I Hope it in son. I think if anybody's gonna end it soon Trump will. I don't think if he doesn't get it solved by mid-year It's not a good sign Like if we get into the summer months and this thing still is going on I Think somebody's gonna have to step in intervene. I have Trump Gets Putin to kind of withdraw. you get a ceasefire and a treaty, that would be ideal.

It's definitely concerning if we get involved, you know China's gonna get involved, and it's kind of a domino effect after that. I definitely see China backing out North Korea too. But hopefully, Trump's been doing pretty well at it. But hopefully, Trump's been doing pretty well at it. Did you guys see what Zelensky said about Putin two weeks ago? Rob, do you have that clip? Yes, let me find it real quick.

So about two weeks ago, Zelensky is up there just kind of openly talking about, we don't know if Putin's going to be alive or not. We don't know if he's going to make it or not. Is this it, Rob? I think this is it. Go for it. Is he sick? But it's also, it also depends on his age. He will die soon.

That's a fact and it will come to an end and it could be come to an end even before. He ends his absolutely safe and losing, historically losing life, historically lost life. Do you know what he said? Just play the first seven seconds and lower the audio a little bit, Rob, because it pops, because both of them are speaking. Just play the first seven seconds again, if you could. But it also depends on his age. He will die soon, that's a fact,

and it will come to an end. Continue four more seconds. And it could come to an end even before. Pause. When you're in the military, you hear something like that. A world leader who's in war right now say something like that, How do you interpret that? Wishful thinking I think you hope that's gonna happen

This is a leader of a country that's at war with Russia saying he will die soon I Mean was your take on it that he was gonna die of old age or from violence How old is the guy Putin is only 70 years old is he only 70? Yeah, I'm out of 72 I don't know how Putin is. He's not 72 years old. Yeah, and He looks pretty good. He doesn't look like he's a Biden, you know He's 72. He looks healthy. He's training. he's doing his thing, but to make a comment like that, see to me, I don't know if you, you know, again, you said something, you said,

no, we don't watch the news, we just kind of watch shows or whatever you said, you guys just kind of hang out and do your thing, right? I watched post-game interviews more than I watched games and You hear a guy speak and I'm trying to catch to see what he's saying if they're speaking sign language You know and every once in a while you're like oh, he said something and that was he's talking about XYZ. I got it, right? Is it that detail where you kind of look into see what a world leader is saying while a war is going on? There's an active war between the two are we paying that close attention to what they're saying or not really like guys

Just another media interview that's taking place who knows why he said that Don't matter high level or at a high level at your level I'm sure a lot of guys are I mean The media puts such a twist on things that when you're over there, a lot of times it ruins your confidence. If you listen to what they're saying. Yeah, a lot of times it makes you think you're there for the wrong reason.

Like, I'll just say it because we cut our teeth in Iraq and those are some rough deployments. I never once heard anything outside of WMDs until it was too late, I didn't care. We started talking about oil and I don't care about any of that None of that matters to me. It doesn't stop that ID from going off Doesn't matter. It doesn't put a turn to get on that guy when he gets shot I don't care why we're here doesn't matter cuz I'm here. I can't leave so it doesn't matter to me

Your political views. I don't care. You're not gonna come over here and do it for me So right now everything you're saying it's just it's really making me second question what I'm doing, and that flag isn't to be second questioned. I'm here for that. Now that you're disconnected from it, and you see WMD, and you're reading these things, and you see the documentaries, does it change anything for you now?

For me, it doesn't. Just, I take it for someone who just, put yourself in Bush's scenario, reading books to a couple elementary school kids, and next thing you know, they tap bushes scenario you know reading reading books to a couple elementary school kids and next thing you know they tap you on the shoulder and say they're flying planes in a World Trade Center now you have to act now you have to go and then you have I'll just call Sonoma psycho known for killing thousands and thousands of people saying he has this are you going

to question him that was my justification like if he says he has him better go find out whether he had him or not Personally with the information I had a time I didn't second question anything Say we got to go we got to go But I also said that the entire time if if it would have been some random country if it would have been Dearborn, Michigan would have say the entire thing. It's inside the u.s. the entire city's gone corrupt we have to invade and take it all over I wouldn't about it and I if they're all a terrorist organization same thing with the cartel okay let's go I don't have time to second question it

doesn't matter to me and a certain point it can I'm not there I'm not a policymaker it's not what I do I'm only here. I'm not a policymaker. It's not what I do I'm only here for that That makes sense because that also matches up with what you're saying at the beginning when he said when Kobe gets locked in You know, what was the word used the switch did you say the switch where you once you're locked in you're in you go You don't need anything else feeding you to throw you off from the mission that you're on and the average person is not gonna Understand that right with there needs to be a maniacal level of focus and Selfishness on the mission you're on let the other guys debate it on see whatever you're doing. I've been told to do this I'm just gonna go do my job and I'm out. This is what I'm doing

I'm just saying like I'll go out and I'll do talks or SWAT teams and performance teams and I was talking to NHL guys not too long ago and I was talking about the level of loyalty it takes to like really commit to a team Nothing else matters just the 25 guys inside this room and one of the guys kind of spoke up and he's like it's hard When you can be drafted any moment I? Get it same thing for us. We'd be kicked off that team tomorrow. You'd be switched positions. You can get pulled out It's the same thing. I would just tell you to lean in and give them that loyalty because they're giving you the opportunity to showcase your craft You're not playing for any other team and the moment you do they get the full loyalty. So as long as I'm wearing this

I'm fully bought in my individual hopes dreams wants and wishes don't really matter not above that Post I remember one one time Balin what's balance first name he's a he's a very good content creator do you see mr. Balin what's his first name John was Jonathan yeah real nice guy and they were doing something in Dallas that was for high-level guys, paratroopers, you know, ranger, you know, green beret, black, everybody was, you know, somebody. It wasn't just like, oh, I'm aerosalt or I'm airborne. No, it was like you did something, right?

And you were in a room, you look at everybody, everybody looks like a stud. Like literally, everybody in the room looks like an absolute stud. Like people you'd wanna hire, right? But everybody was also dealing with an element of PTSD, okay, when you get now trying to disconnect from it. That high you're talking about in Jeremy Renner in Hurt Locker, right? And you're getting out and you're like,

oh my God, you're gonna switch all that stuff. You're gonna, I want it again. I want the next rush, I want the next rush. When my friend was ETSing're getting out and you're like, oh my god, you're gonna switch all that so you get him back I want it again. I want the next rush. I want the next rush When my friend was ETSing and getting out after his 20 years There was a moment he and I had to have a conversation together. It's like hey, man I really need to talk to you. Boom. What's going on? I don't know what to do. I'm done It's like Pat. It's a real thing. I'm really and by the way, this is not a guy That would ever complain about anything. This is a G, this is a legit real guy.

This is not a, you know, but it's as I'm telling you, I'm going through some weird thoughts of me trying to make this transition. How hard is that? How long does it take? Does it ever get to a point where you're so disconnected that you're not moved on? And is there a mechanism on how to disconnect from?

Because when you look at sports, historically, when a guy was a professional bodybuilder or professional athlete, I don't know what the statistic is, but it's pretty high. The moment they retire, they get a divorce because now the enemy becomes the wife. You're coming and seeing her more and more and more, right? They don't know what to do the TSA part PTSD how do you deal with that when you're leaving after you're done with your 17 years I mean I think any transition the military is extremely tough we were fortunate unfortunate enough to be doing our military transition, no COVID.

You leave an environment that you've known so well, and it's a new introduction to the world as a civilian. Everything from your schedule, choice, I mean imagine doing something for 20 years, now you have to go reinvent yourself. You have three little ones, you got a next wife, a new wife, and you, none of your family's around. What am I going to do? I graduated high school 20 years ago.

And just the uncertainties, the accountability to your family, not knowing. There are some great programs out there that are really helping veterans transition. And get some great programs out there that are really helping veterans transition and get exposure professionally. And there's a lot of really, really smart people that can add value completely outside of the industry that we're in. But it's a mentorship and showing those individuals.

You can have a great life afterwards. But it's extremely challenging. The PTSD, being around groups, being in front of people, I mean, this. We avoided cameras. We avoided social media. And now all of a sudden, it's like, I've got to be normal in front of cameras.

I mean, that's the scariest thing right there. Is it, though? Oh, yeah. Are you serious? Yeah. It wasn't natural. The natural thing was to avoid it. And luckily, we had each other going through it

in the transition. And it wasn't easy for us with everything we had going on. There are some different treatments that have definitely helped. We did the psychedelic treatment down in Mexico through vets and that was a great reset. I think both of us it saved both of our lives going down there and doing it. It was a really good eye-opening reset. But having a good community and support network around you is key. We're always confident in our abilities, put our heads together and not having to reinvent

ourselves, being able to pass on our knowledge and what we're passionate about and our experiences on to the next generation so you don't have to learn the same lessons we did in blood. We wanted to pass on that knowledge. I mean, that was something that bugged us sometimes. Different teams would do ops and they would go well or bad, but nobody would talk about it. They weren't pass on the knowledge. And we really wanted to do that, kind of going through that and doing that.

Nobody would talk about emotions. No one would be like, hey, like I'm going through a nasty divorce or we're going through a low point. We started talking about it. DJ is way better than me about talking about it, but addressing those kind of topics that nobody ever talked about and the amount of people that gave a reaction of I felt alone. I felt like I was the only one going through this.

Pretty much any experience in any life outside probably a few, so many people have gone through it, so many people go through it afterwards, but being able to talk about it, that's been a huge kind of key thing and realizing that you're not alone. And everybody has low days, high days, just managing them. DJ, what would you say? I'd say that transition is so much harder than everybody makes it seem. You get these guys that get out and are like, oh my god, when you get out, every job is going to pay you 350 grand a year. They just want you to sit around. They're just going to pay you because of who you...

And then people get out. And those jobs aren't there. That's not a real thing. And then you've left the only thing you've known, the only thing you've ever loved, you've left it. And on a Tuesday, you're out of the group chat. There's no email. There's no body armor to put on There's no one who needs you really and you haven't built a relationship with your family now. You're stuck with them I use Tom Brady's example Tom Brady's a Navy SEAL you did that one thing at full capacity the entire time the moment you left it like I Can't leave it. She's like you have to leave you have to retire.

No gets a divorce can't do it can't get off the train cannot do it. If you don't think Tom Brady laid in a fetal position and cried after he fully retired promise you he did everybody does it. Some of the darkest moments have just been just leaving it in the moment. You're out.

Man, I don't know how to do anything else. I feel like I'm I feel like I'm empty. I don't have anything. That's what we talk about when I tell guys now, like my physical fitness, my, my mental health are really the forefront of my priorities. I wake up in the morning and that's what I knock out first because that gives me the bandwidth to take on everything else throughout the day. I feel like a lot of people lose that. They leave the military.

You've been on the same structured routine. I don't care if you're on an 82nd airborne one, some SF team, a SWAT team, you've been doing the same thing the entire time you wake up, you all do PT, you eat breakfast, you go upstairs, meeting, training, deploying, blah, blah, blah. It's the same thing. If you just keep that first morning routine the same, it feels so familiar that now between 10 a.m. and 5 p.m. you can do whatever you need to now because my first morning it feels so repetitive it feels like I've been doing it my entire life I wake up the exact

same time I did when I was in I do the same fitness hang around the same people same protein shake same 20-minute walk same everything so the first part of my morning it feels like I'm still in the team I mean we're surrounded by nothing but team guys now it feels the same what percentage of employees are former vets? With training cat? I had 35-40 percent or so. Training cat, they're all team guys. By the way when you when you get out like I remember how much money I got out with but I wasn't in there for 17 years I was there for three year twenty half years when the

average seal gets out how much money do they have in a bank? Well, it depends, because we got medically retired, that becomes an issue that no one ever gets you prepped for. So we'll say, you know, E7 and the SEAL teams, I'll say you make 90 grand a year, everything all in. As soon as you start that medical retirement board, they take away all your special pays. Die pay, jump pay, demo pay, hazardous duty, AIP, you lose it all. And depending on how messed up you are and how long that whole process takes, you get a 50%

of your pay. So for me, when I started that medical retirement, it took about a year. So I have to bridge that with all my savings. So when I retired, retired, like when I got it, I got electrocuted right before I retired, so now I couldn't work, I couldn't do anything. I mean, I'm laying on the bed in double slings, can't make any money, and I've ate up every ounce of my money market, every ounce of savings. Put the kids through private school,

because nothing changes. Now I just don't have the income, and now physically I can't make it. That's where everybody hits rock bottom. Now you feel like a total failure. Like I've done this one thing I've sacrificed so much this one job serves a medal bro exactly holy shit. I put her through absolute hell Absolute hell

Me and her story is yeah Wow it's not a Hallmark movie, but it's not a Hallmark movie It's not and and what business are you guys and what do you guys do now? Now we started G breast group back in September 6 of 2019 and Just over five and a half years old Have close to 40 employees now and and in house No shit another 15 1099s bunch of different verticals within the company, you know, it started from a lot of emotion and passion of passing on the tactile knowledge

that we learned to the next generations and being open and honest and just really trying to pass on what we had learned and not have to reinvent ourselves. What's the product? So we have a few different verticals. So if you go to gbsgroupgear.com, it'll pull up. Yeah.

There's what I'll call hard goods. So mounts that take red dots, you put them on the rifle. And a few different kind of variants in that. That's one of the mounts right there. Some tactile nylon, so gun belts, slings. But everything that we've designed, there's a number of that have patents on them now. But everything we designed, whether it was an invention or

making a product better we were trying to solve for a gap and the problems that we experienced super simple weapon sling but we designed our weapon sling. I could tell you every reason why we did it the naked eye may not look any different but all of our products were trying to solve a problem be 100% dependable and enable the end user And so that hard goods soft goods kind of branded t-shirts hats subscription apps workout patreon and training we have a International dealer network from Thailand to Poland,

everywhere in between. So we've grown a lot in the last five years, going from zero employees to over 35 now. We learned everything kind of just on the fly and figuring it out. We had zero business background and Just kind of figured out got 401k is health insurance. Oh, yeah the fun fun parts, but That's cool. Like the irony is that was never the goal So I was right when I transitioned out Cole was doing real estate super successful And I was gonna contract with the agency and go off and just do private military contracting.

That's all I wanted to do, just keep doing the same job. A bunch of guys that were in that same organization we had worked with before, and everybody was getting shot. Everybody was getting blown up and dudes were dying left and right. And COVID just happened to happen. I got really, really hurt. And we had a little bit of downtime, had to get a bunch of surgeries and kind of rebuild back up. So I missed my class class update and in that process I was still training training with the Air Force teach him CQB still skydiving still doing all that and We're sitting down one day and he's like, what's it gonna take for you not to go do that?

Well, I don't know how to do anything else when I have my retirement I was like if I could squeeze out a hundred grand a year that plus retirement I'm done. I Think we can solve that so we decided we were gonna teach CQB in flat range to SWAT team guys If I could squeeze out a hundred grand a year, that plus retirement, I'm done. I think we can solve that. So we decided we were gonna teach CQB and flat range to SWAT team guys and military dudes. And what, three weeks later, COVID, everybody's on lockdown and now you can't make any money. So now what do you do?

We all quit our day jobs and now we're stuck. Yeah, man. That's great. And somehow we made it happen. Good for you guys, man. Respect, salute. First of all, thank you for your it happen. Good for you guys, man. Respect, salute. First of all, thank you for your service. Pleasure.

At the highest level. Rob, can we put the link below as well? This has been a blast talking to you guys. Of course, I've seen your stuff before out there. And the military community, highest level of respect, but when you hear the stories, and specifically sitting down now learning about you guys, likeable, patriots, straight-up, honest, you know, values, principles, you got to love it. I'm not surprised by you guys

are growing. 35, 40 employees the way you guys are going right now. Who knows how big this thing can turn into, right? You got two driven guys that the fire is gonna go from there to here. By the way, who do people say you look like? I'm curious. A mix between Jake Gyllenhaal and Bradley Cooper. Bradley Cooper? If they had a kid, that's what I'd be it.

I would say if Billy Baldwin and Sean Penn had a kid, it's you. I'm Sean Penn. And we've had multiple of the Baldwins on it. You know the Baldwins, these guys were good looking. Billy, Billy was in, what was the movie Billy was in? Was it Sliver? Was it Sliver?

He was in with Sharon Stone, is that the one? Billy, yeah, a little bit of Billy and a little bit of Sean Penn, you have Cole here. Anyways, maybe I'm off, but that's kinda how I see it. Fellas, thank you so much for coming out. Appreciate your service. We're gonna put the link below at your website. We have Cole here. Anyways, maybe I'm off, but that's kinda how I see it. Fellas, thank you so much for coming out. Appreciate your service. We're gonna put the link below to your website.

Gang, go to their website, support what they do, and we will see you guys soon, next time. Take care, bye bye bye bye. Hey, what's going on guys? DJ Shipley and Cole Fack from GBRS Group. Wanna talk to you real quick about Minnack. Retired Navy SEALs, entrepreneurs, and co-founders of the GBRS Group.

Cover everything from flat range shooting, mental health, mental resiliency, physical education, anything you guys really wanna drop into. Search us on Manack, find us on there, and love to connect with you guys. Look forward to hearing from you. Appreciate you guys, we'll talk soon.