PBD Podcast - Jeremy Boreing | PBD Podcast | Ep. 333

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Starting point is 00:00:20 You look what I've become. I'm the under one. All right, he's got a level of poise. Okay, we got episode number 333 with Jeremy Boring. Let me properly introduce who this man is. He's he's kind of a big deal in his world. Jeremy Boring is the co-founder and co-CEO of the Daily Wire and the host of popular podcast, Daily Wire Backstage Feature and Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavin and Michael Knowles, Boring's Passes and Political Media, including, includes founding along with Shapiro, the conservative news and commentary website, Truth Vault, Revolte, serving as executive director of Friends of Abe, a fellowship of conservative working in the entertainment industry, and

Starting point is 00:01:00 founding declaration entertainment where he wrote and directed the feature film, The Arroyo, a modern western set against the lawlessness of America's southern border. He's got a movie that just they gave the release the trailer a couple days ago. It's got 19, 20 million views already called Lady Ballers. You got it, we'll watch this preview here together. It's absolutely hilarious. But here's a thing as well

Starting point is 00:01:25 He's like a dynamic type of guy, you know somebody pissed him off with Razer So he goes and starts his own Razer company Jeremy's Razers and the commercial I've never used a Razer, but the commercial is fantastic I can tell you that here's the website to Jeremy's Razer was phenomenal and for some of you guys that are nuts or your nutless, he's also got a chocolate company that offers you those with nuts and those who are nutless. Jeremy, great to have you on the podcast. Great to be here, thanks for having me on.

Starting point is 00:01:54 Yes, I'm gonna open up with a very simple question because I think it's a challenge. A lot of people are dealing with it. Maybe you can help figure this out, especially with the recent bit of a drama which we'll get that knocked out of the way. I think it's a good story to talk about early on. So, you know, there's this saying,

Starting point is 00:02:10 you cannot serve both God and money at the same time. Have you figured out a way to do it because billions of people are struggling with this? Yeah. Well, I think that the problem with fame, wealth, and power is that they're highly corrosive. If you attain any measure of any one of them, it tends to separate you in some way from your humanity.

Starting point is 00:02:31 So it's a constant challenge. It's obviously a challenge that predates any of us and will be here long after. One of the things that I've noticed is the later in life those things come, the better, and the reason is because you're more of a fully formed person before you come into those sort of temptations. And so you see guys, I've known a lot of them over the years who achieve incredible success very, very early in life.

Starting point is 00:02:53 And they're really arrested in that moment. It's a trauma to become successful. I mean, you don't want to gripe about it. There are worse traumas to have, but it's still very traumatic when people stop telling you the truth. People start telling you the things that you want to hear, people always need something from you, they're always hopeful that they'll get something from you. So, you know, I'm not one to disagree with Christ and say that there is some way to serve God and money. What I would say instead is that probably what we should do is pursue success and consider that distinct

Starting point is 00:03:26 from serving money. There's a constant temptation where money is involved to make it the focus of your life. I try to hang on very loosely to my success. I'm not always good at that, but I try to hang on to it very loosely to recognize that I'm not the author of all of my success. Certainly, I think you can give people a lot of good advice about how they might achieve

Starting point is 00:03:48 some success. I think there have obviously been some things in my life that allowed me to achieve some of my success at the same time. And anyone who has success knows this. There is fortune. There is providence. There is some sort of unseen hand that guides us through life people who made the same choices that we made People who face the same circumstances that we made and end up with a slightly different or sometimes radically different outcomes

Starting point is 00:04:12 So I don't think it does well to serve money I don't think it does well to hang on too tightly to your success as I'll give you this and then I'll move on when You know, I spent 20 years in LA from the time I was just a kid really We're in the valley. I heard you say valley. What's your living valley? Studio city, Sherman Oaks. Okay. My entire two decades out there.

Starting point is 00:04:31 And at one point, my wife and I wanted to buy a house. And it's a big deal to buy a house in LA, especially when you're on the younger side, because houses out there are incredibly expensive. I guess now they're expensive everywhere, but back then it was sort of a unique thing about the big city. And I told my wife, I think the way we have the money, we can make this down payment, we'll be able to service the debt. And we didn't know a lot of people who owned houses at that time except people who were

Starting point is 00:04:55 friends with, who were very, very, very successful, we were not. And my wife said, you know, what if we, what if something changes and we lose the house? And I said, oh, we'll move back into an apartment. I don't understand the question. She said, yeah, but people will see that we sort of reached and then it'll be embarrassing that we failed. And I said, well, I'm not gonna be judged by the people who never moved out of an apartment.

Starting point is 00:05:16 If I have to move back into an apartment, like that's just, I think that that's kind of the innate thing that entrepreneurs have is a willingness to sort of face the humiliation of failure, to see value in virtue and failure. I'm the product of many, many, many failures. One of my great goals in life is to make a billion dollar mistake someday.

Starting point is 00:05:34 I think that failures make us who we are, that is, I think the difference between people who serve money and people who understand the value of money. I'm not ashamed to have some, I'm not ashamed to pursue success. But I hang on to it lightly. If I have to move back into an apartment, I'll move back into an apartment. I want to stay on that. But the reason why I asked that question was because of what Candace Owens tweeted out. So I wanted to kind of get right into the feud between Candace

Starting point is 00:05:59 and Ben. And it was pretty public. Obviously with the Israel channel taking place, these guys going back and forth, he's got strong positions where he's at. And she has strong positions where she's at. And Candace is not one that's gonna sit there and be quiet about it, but how do you as a CEO of a company with all this different talent that you guys have?

Starting point is 00:06:20 First of all, you have Jordan Peterson, but they do wire, okay. You got Matt Walsh, what is a woman? I think he may have figured out the answer to the question by the time he was on with the documentary. It was a very interesting process. It was an expensive warranty. He got this.

Starting point is 00:06:32 Yes, yes. You got Candace Owens, okay. You got your business partner, but also talent because he's not the operator, you're the operator Ben Shapiro. And you got a few other guys there as well. But how do you manage when you have two of the loudest voices in this sphere

Starting point is 00:06:51 going at each other on the same team? And if you wanna leave, you can quit. How do you manage all of that? Yeah, well, poorly apparently, cause it really spilled over into a public dispute. Which I think, you know, obviously, we'd all prefer that not have happened in the way that it did.

Starting point is 00:07:07 But I pay people to talk for a living. I pay people to have opinions. And you're going to occasionally have conflict when you allow people a lot of latitude to say what they believe. And, you know, I think to Ben's great credit, I can't think of any other talent who has started a company that

Starting point is 00:07:25 empowers more people to say what they believe without having to agree with them. You know, Ben is perhaps the most famous Orthodox Jew in America and yet he empowers Christians on his platform to not just be Christians and have a platform, but to be very forward facing with their beliefs on that platform. That's, you know, that's to Ben's credit. Ben allows people who disagree with him on economics. Ben allows people who disagree with him on foreign policy.

Starting point is 00:07:54 He gives them all very broad latitude to say the things that they believe. To your point, he's not running the day-to-day operations, but that philosophy of what the daily wire will be and how it will empower its talent to have their own opinions is something that Ben and our business partner Caleb and I You know instilled in the company from the very beginning and so You have nothing that took place in this conflict limited anyone's ability to say the things that they think when you have very opinionated people on different sides of an issue

Starting point is 00:08:21 Sometimes those clashes are gonna become more front-facing as you say, Candace isn't one to back down, Ben's not one to back down either. And so we found ourselves in kind of a little bit of an ugly situation and it seems like it's calmed down now. Do you, when that happens, do you immediately call a meeting and call a Zoom and guys? Let's just get on a call and try to hash this out. Is that the approach or you kind of let it fizzle out

Starting point is 00:08:44 and have them deal direct with each other? Yeah, depends on who's involved, I suppose. Some people take criticism better than others. Also, sometimes it's the nature of conservatives that were somewhat reactionary. And so sometimes going directly at the problem isn't the best way in that situation to come to a consensus. You don't want people to feel like you're boxing them in. You don't want them to feel like you're

Starting point is 00:09:08 trying to force them to back down when what they do for a living is never back down. So I think it's delicate. This one was particularly delicate to manage. But I was actually out of the country producing a film series that we're doing called the pin drag and cycle. My business partner Caleb was flying this one far more directly than I was. Yeah, he got on the film with both parties and didn't tell them what they had to do, but made some suggestions about what might be helpful. And I think that they both found their way back

Starting point is 00:09:41 from the brink a little bit. Fantastic, that's good to hear. The question I got for you is you know for someone who's a Right brain I get a feeling you're fully right brain, but you also got left brain You know you seem to be creative, but you're also an operator How do you as a creative go from a creative meeting? Where you're trying to come up with ideas and you got the sensitivities of all the creative quality and you know here's what I think we should do and what about this

Starting point is 00:10:11 and what about that and what about this and shut down and I tell them what about this and what about that and what about this and all of a sudden okay so seven steps here's what we got we got a hardest person called that person get this person get the production what's the budget what's the how do you manage between I mean this movie I watched the trailer to, you're doing a phenomenal job acting in it. It's actually, it didn't feel like, if I like, I'm watching, I don't know, horrible bosses. And it's, you know, just a bunch of actors

Starting point is 00:10:36 doing what they're doing to make your laugh. How do you manage your right brain and the left brain and no one to compartmentalize? Yeah, well, there is a lot of conflict between the two, and I find that it's very difficult. I can go from operating in the morning to being creative in the afternoon. I have a very difficult time going back the other direction.

Starting point is 00:10:55 So some of it is how I structure my day, how I approach scheduling meetings. Interesting. And the order of operations. You know, at the end of the day being an entrepreneur, being a writer, being a producer, it's really the same job. You're trying to make something out of nothing. So anyone who's quite often people from my time in Hollywood will say, I don't understand how you went from this to being in business. Don't you miss the creative side. I've created

Starting point is 00:11:24 from this to being in business, don't you miss the creative side. I've created hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars of value. I've created hundreds and hundreds of jobs. I've created podcasts and created websites and commercials. It is an expression of my creative self to have built this business. I think anybody involved in business can probably relate to that. Then there are obviously distinctions. You have to be much more practical, obviously, when you're operating, than when you're conceptualizing.

Starting point is 00:11:48 The other thing is higher-grade operators. In the early days of the company, I was very hands-on in every aspect of the operation. I think that's probably true for most people who start something. Over time, you have to replace yourself. And I think you always have to replace yourself at the point that you're the best instead of trying to replace yourself. It's hard to ever learn to replace yourself. And I think you always have to replace yourself at the point that you're the best, instead of trying to replace yourself. It's hard to ever learn to replace yourself in business.

Starting point is 00:12:09 And the first mistake that you make is to actually hire people who only do the things you're not good at. And that's good, and as much as, sure, you're eliminating some of your own deficiencies, but your business can't grow if you're only replacing the things that you're bad at. You ultimately have to replace all the things that you're good at.

Starting point is 00:12:26 And over time, you replace things that you're good at with people who become better at those things. We have great operators in our company now. Our, the woman who operates our e-commerce business, the razor company, the chocolate company. She's best in class as good as it gets. Our COO, John Lewis, absolutely best in class as good as it gets. Those guys have empowered me, I think, to be able to put more and more of my time into these creative efforts. But the creative efforts really aren't wishful film, either.

Starting point is 00:12:52 I've enjoyed this time making these movies, I've enjoyed being overseas. I don't want to do it again next year. I want to find somebody better than me. Have them go replace me in that aspect as well, and I can get back to thinking about what's next for the business. So for you, let me stand on this. have them go replace me in that aspect as well and I can get back to thinking about what's next for the business. Got it. So for you, let me stay on this. And so do you see yourself more as a you specifically?

Starting point is 00:13:12 Because when I listen to you, the times that I watch you, you're not as much creating content as the other guys are. The other guys are creating a lot of content. So there's a lot more content to see of them. You create content, but it comes here and there. I would assume you're operating company and you're strategy and all the sub-ion closed doors.

Starting point is 00:13:33 Everybody has somebody they viewed themselves as. Do you view yourself as, you said, I want one day be able to make a billion dollar mistake. To make a billion dollar mistake, you have to be 25 billion, you know, 20 to 50 billion billion dollar mistake, you have to be 25 billion, you know, 20 to 50 billion dollars plus upwards, close to even a hundred billion dollars to be able to make a billion dollar mistake

Starting point is 00:13:51 and afford it and not go out of business. So do you see yourself more as a Murdoch modern day? Is that what you wanna be? Do you see yourself as one being a Disney, Walt Disney? Do you see yourself as a Teturner? Who do you see yourself as? And by the way And I don't even know if I'm going to get the answer to this question, you know, because sometimes you have to keep these things close to yourself. But who do you view yourself as?

Starting point is 00:14:14 You know, it's funny. In all sincerity, I've never asked myself that question. You know, there are certainly people who I see as influential in my life, people who I look up to, but I've never really tried to model my life after anyone. One of the, I'm sort of radically Protestant, and I think that one component of being a Protestant is that you don't fully ever buy that any person is necessarily superior, right? I mean, there's this sort of democratization

Starting point is 00:14:46 that happens in a Protestant mindset. It's not to say that people don't do better and not to say that people don't do worse, not to say that people don't have skills or talents or even innate abilities, you know IQ. Ben Shapiro has an IQ I don't have. That's a hard lesson to learn in life. We all think we're the, it's easy to say,

Starting point is 00:14:59 yeah, LeBron James is much taller than I am, he's going to be better at basketball. Now that's a cop out, but that's at least it's a cop out that we can all commonly accept. Very difficult to ever admit that someone's just smarter than you. And they're not just smarter than you

Starting point is 00:15:12 because they've read the books. They're smarter than you, even if you read the books. Right, they have actual, they see patterns you don't see. Right, they have capabilities you don't have. And so I'm not denying any of that. But I am saying that no one's, no one is fundamentally innately better. So instead, I look at people and think, what can I learn? What can I model? What can't I model? And just try to be my own guy. Try to put one foot in front of the other. So who's your enemy? Do you have an enemy? Like do you have at least?

Starting point is 00:15:45 Because drive doesn't come naturally. Drive is, it has to be inspired. The three things that causes somebody to be hardcore driven, in my opinion, is that they've experienced unconditional love from one person, could be a mom. But for you to know that that exists, and you're willing to risk loving another woman person, could be a mom, but for you to know that that exists.

Starting point is 00:16:05 And you're willing to risk loving another woman because maybe one day she's going to love you the way your mom loved you, right? Or father loved you. Number two is unconditional pain from somebody you loved, meaning you could never do anything to win that person over. No matter what you do, you can make billions. You can make millions. You can be strong,

Starting point is 00:16:25 fight, celebrity, famous, billions of followers, you're never gonna win that person over, that approval you're not gonna get, you need that, that element is needed as well. And the last one is to choose the right enemies, choose the enemies wisely that drive the hell out. Sometimes you choose them, sometimes they choose you, but for you, who would you say is your enemy

Starting point is 00:16:44 and who is daily wires enemy? Well, that's interesting. I think that I probably fit, I'm sure that in your experience, I've never contemplated this in this framework before, but I probably have a little bit of all three of those aspects of my life. If I were going to identify more strongly

Starting point is 00:17:00 with one, it would be the second one, the desire to be loved from someone from whom you could not gain the love. And part of whatever wisdom I've managed to get, and I don't claim much, in life, is the realization that that person doesn't exist, that the person from whom you wanted the love obviously doesn't exist or you would have gained it. So in some ways, you've taken a person who does exist and you've superimposed onto them the person that you wish existed. And that's a real, that's a painful lesson because it tells you something about yourself that you're not functioning in reality, that you don't meet people where they are, that

Starting point is 00:17:39 you need something from someone that they're incapable of giving you, that even if you could somehow get it, you still wouldn't have it, because it would require fundamentally destroying the thing that actually exists in favor of the thing that doesn't. But sure, I got enemies too, bud. You want to tell us a couple of? I would say that some of my enemies have chosen me.

Starting point is 00:18:01 I went to Hollywood with a set of loosely held beliefs. I would not say that I was particularly rigid in any of my beliefs, but I got into that system where, you know, it's a very one-party town. It's a very, very unwelcoming place if you don't toe the company line. And it's able to be that because of the things

Starting point is 00:18:26 that make Hollywood unique. There's no other industry in the world where someone will go to Harvard Law and then instead of taking the $250,000 a year starting pay from all the law firms that give you an offer just because of having that credential, you go work in the mail room at CAA for sub minimum wage. Why would that exist? Well, it exists

Starting point is 00:18:47 because people innately understand the power of entertainment. They innately understand the power of narrative, the power of story. It is more powerful than practicing law. In fact, the law exists within a narrow window created by culture. And so everybody in the mail room at CAA or UTA or endeavor William Morris, they all went to Ivy League schools. They all went to law school. They've all given all of that up to pursue something. Since you're pursuing something that cannot be attained through any guarantee, right?

Starting point is 00:19:23 We use the term being discovered. And that's a silly term, but it does speak to the improbability of success in that particular field. Well, now you truly are at the mercy of forces that are not allowed to exist anywhere else in business, right? You need people to choose you on the basis of things that can't easily be described.

Starting point is 00:19:43 And for that reason, people have enormous power over you. And since they have such power over you, even if they are good people, that power, as I said earlier, becomes itself corrosive. And so the people who have that power are corroded by that power. They wield that power over people. And one expression of that is Harvey Weinstein, right?

Starting point is 00:20:03 That you have people who take sexual advantage of other people because those people want something that you're the gatekeeper and you have power over them. But another is political and theological that you're able to sort of demand a kind of conformity of thought from people and they're willing to give it because of the great power that you have

Starting point is 00:20:24 to stand between them and their dreams. And I have a little bit of a natural contrarian streak. I got out there and the very fact that those things were expected of you made me reject them. And I rejected them to my detriment. And I rejected them kind of in that category too of what you mentioned. I wanted the approval of that system, but I wasn't willing to give the system what would be required to get that approval.

Starting point is 00:20:44 There's this yin and yang happening between my desire to be loved by those who would not love me. Is there a moment in your career? Is there a moment you remember? Yeah, well, there are a couple that are really funny. And one of them is I was sitting at, and I won't name names here, but I was sitting in one of the biggest studios with a fairly prominent actor who had to deal at that studio at the time, pitching a series that we had written and wanted to have picked up.

Starting point is 00:21:12 And it was the president, I mean one of the most powerful guys in the business, the president of that studio took the meeting with not because of my stature, but the statue of my partner on that project. And he had two female executives flanking him. You know, these are the people who develop shows. They make a good living. They've already... Flanking him or the president. Flanking the president.

Starting point is 00:21:33 Got it. And they're hearing our pitch. I'm sure they all started in the mail room. They all went to Harvard Law, you know. He's flipping through the pages. He's totally uninterested. We're doing our dog and pony show, you know, trying to get a laugh.

Starting point is 00:21:46 You don't get any. And he gets to a certain page and he says, yeah, guys, this is fine. Who's the babe? And I said, what do you mean? Who's the babe? Who's going to be the babe? And I said, again, I don't want to name names here,

Starting point is 00:22:03 because the story is somewhat humiliating, but I named a prominent actress who was working at that time as somebody who we thought would be good for the role. And he said, somebody we would know. Somebody you would know. And he said, this is live too. So I don't want to say anything

Starting point is 00:22:19 because you kicked off the internet, but I said, how about this gal? That's kind of who we were thinking. He was like, nah, nah, I've already turned. Oh, you gotta give me the gal that I want. Wow. I was taken aback. Obviously, I was a young guy at the time, naive.

Starting point is 00:22:35 He looks over at the gal next to him and he says, what about, and he named another somewhat prominent actress. He says, now that's a baby I want to, I mean, admit it, admit it. If you had it, you'd fuck her. And I wanna, I mean admit it, admit it, if you had it, you'd fuck her. And I thought, if this were Walmart, tomorrow it would be named Stephanie Mart or whatever the name of that email executive for,

Starting point is 00:22:55 who was, you know, like, she would own this entire company tomorrow, but he has a power that a CEO and a widget factory does not have. He stands between her and the dream, the thing, the thing to which everyone in that community aspires, the thing that shows all the guys back in your small hometown that they were wrong about you or whatever it is, right? Of course.

Starting point is 00:23:21 And so he has this power and the contrarian in me, perhaps the believer in me, I recoiled against that and a snake. And it was a very depressing moment because I realized I am not willing to do what is necessary to get the love that I desire. And so you start thinking, who are my enemies? I think that my enemies are the people who try to use coercion and force to impose their view of the world on other people. That is the thing that I recoil against the most. And you feel it's a spirit that's alive in our culture right now. Sadly, it's

Starting point is 00:24:03 even alive on the right right now. Sadly, it's even alive on the right right now. There's sort of authoritarian moment in which we live predominantly on the left, but not completely foreign from the current right. I reject that. I recoil at it. I despise it. If my life is dedicated to anything, it's fighting for the ability of me to be my authentic self, the ability of other people to be their authentic self. And I don't mean that in some sort of loose, lefty detached from reality,

Starting point is 00:24:31 you should conform to my, that's just another way of using force to say you should conform to my view. That's not what I mean. I mean that you should get to be the actual you. And that requires coming up with other people, coming against other people's opinions of what you are, which is the thing that the left tries to keep from ever happening. You should never have to encounter anyone's opinion about you. I want to clear all of that out

Starting point is 00:24:54 of the way. Those are the enemies that I suppose I didn't know I was going to have when I started out in life, and now I do. Then there's, you know, the people who just come at you or the people who betray you or the people who hurt you in some personal way and they sort of become your enemy for some reason that you didn't see coming. But the thing that I'm fighting against, I think is coercion. I think you do good with that though. I think you need it. I think you're, what's your birthday by the way?

Starting point is 00:25:20 What month's your February, your February baby? February 15th? Yeah, February. Interesting. February 15th, huh? Very interesting. Okay. Rob, can you pull up a Friends of Abe, a Wikipedia real quick. So Friends of Abe, no, not wine. Okay, go to Friends of Abe. So big difference. So Friends of Abe was a support and networking group for politically conservative members of the Phil ministry and Hollywood organization was

Starting point is 00:25:43 formed in 2004 with Gary Sinese and Gary Sinese was in the movie payback with Mel Gibson, the Boypees. He's been a lot of movies, but he's a phenomenal actor. Lieutenant Dan. Yeah, Lieutenant Dan, Forest Cump. So with this organization, you, I think, for five years are the executive director.

Starting point is 00:26:02 Members, 2012, I mean, this thing hasn't been updated. They had the Pat Poon, John Void, Kelsey Grammar, Kevin Sorbol, Scott Beow, a bunch of other names that are a part of it. And since later, we drew from the leadership in Hollywood, producer Jeremy Boring became executive director. And at one point, I think the IRS wanted a section of the organization's website that would identify its members since such access is not required by federal law. You did not, you refused to give them that access to see who it is.

Starting point is 00:26:32 Now, this was, for the longest time, a low-key, underground type of a meeting where they would get to, I don't know, some friends's house, whether, you know, I know some of these folks and attended some of these meetings with some folks, but when you're part of this organization, how much are they at a point right now where they're more comfortable being public about it? How much of it is at a point right now? I got a call who is one of your friends.

Starting point is 00:27:07 I won't mention his name. I'll tell you off camera. And I had a conversation with him, and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. And he calls, we have a very good 30, 45 minute conversation on a Sunday, says I watch on Joe, on Rogan podcast, and I saw what you wanted to do with this year. I used to be partners with Jeremy Boring

Starting point is 00:27:24 and all this other stuff. I'm like, okay, sounds good. And the idea was so many of the people in that industry are afraid to come out because they don't want to give up access and they don't want to give up losing that possibility of what can happen there. How many of these guys are getting to a point right now that they really don't give a shit?

Starting point is 00:27:45 And how many of the bigger, bigger names? I'm talking like big, big names are privately talking to you guys that they just don't want anybody to know about their business. Yeah. You know, the first rule of friends of A, is there is no friends of A. I've fought the IRS to not have to reveal the names

Starting point is 00:28:02 of anybody in the organization. So of course I'll maintain that. But I would say that it comes in waves. You know, a person has a breaking point. And over time, a lot of people, individuals, have had their breaking point. They're fed up. They no longer want the love of the woman who won't love them. And they're willing to speak out in ways that they weren't saying 2012.

Starting point is 00:28:22 At the same time, there's a whole new batch of people that begin their career during that period of time. In the film that we're releasing on Friday, Lady Ballers, has given me a new opportunity to meet yet another batch of people working in the industry who don't want to be known, who are terrified of being found out. And I hate that. During my time running friend of Friends of A, I would host these new member meetings. You'd have 40 people sit around a table 20 of them would be existing members and then they would bring a guest to initiate into the group

Starting point is 00:28:50 That was the only way you could get in and it was you know It was like a recovery meeting everybody to go around the table and introduce themselves and confess that they were conservative and I would say that over the years, you know even before I became executive director I would host those meetings over the years. I before I became executive director, I would host those meetings. Over the years, I hosted dozens and dozens and dozens. We had 2,300 members. And they all came in through this system,

Starting point is 00:29:11 20 people at a time, at a time. It was four or five times, maybe max, that someone didn't break down weeping at one of these new member meetings. You would always hear the same thing. If my agent finds out I'm here, I'll never work again. if my agent finds out I'm here, I'll never work again. If my lawyer finds out I'm here, I'll never work again. If my manager finds out I'll never working.

Starting point is 00:29:29 And had a guy in all sincerity say if my wife finds out what I believe, I'm afraid that I will lose my marriage because the lie is so powerful out there. The allegiance to the lie must be absolute. People live a lie at such a deep level that their own spouse does not know they're most deeply held and deeply guarded in that environment believes. That's, I mean, obviously it's a tyranny, it's evil

Starting point is 00:29:59 and it's despicable. So yes, there are big name people in Hollywood who've gotten fed up and come out. They're bigger name people, you know, who have bigger things to risk. If you make $20 million a movie, $10 million a movie, that's a lot to lose if you stick your neck out there. And one thing that's important to me at Daily Wire and my partners at Daily Wires, we make entertainment, we're aware that at most we can offer someone a job. And it's not a very good trade to give up a career for a job. Hey, come do our movie.

Starting point is 00:30:31 Cool. But then I won't make any movies after that. Part of what we have to do through repeated risk taking and repeated learning and repeated hopefully success is demonstrate over time that you can actually build a career working outside of that system. When we do that, I think the floodgates are opening. You'll see a huge exodus of talent from out of the mainstream part of that business.

Starting point is 00:30:54 But you have to build it first. Yeah, you have to build it first. And I kind of like that approach because your approach is going to be look. If you want to see that happen eventually, subscribe to our membership, subscribe to this. Help us here, help us there. We need resources to going to be look. If you want to see that happen, eventually, subscribe to our membership, subscribe to this. Help us here, help us there. We need resources to get to do this.

Starting point is 00:31:09 It is like a fundraisers way of raising capital to, it's what great past, I read a book one time of a guy that had raised the most money for charity. Like a record, I don't know, $6,78 billion, a money he raised. And he wrote a book, how to be a professional beggar. And it's one of the, I don't know, $6,78 billion a money he raised. And he wrote a book, how to be a professional beggar. And it's one of the, I don't know the exact title of the book. It's a small book, but it's one of the best books I read

Starting point is 00:31:32 on that topic. And you almost have to present the argument in a way where the customer has to look at it as, look, we just made another movie. So it's not like we're taking a money and we're paying salary. We made another this. We made another this. We made another this.

Starting point is 00:31:45 We need no members of run it on. That relationship could work if you keep delivering with the products and services. Tom, did you have an experience in LA with, you know, I think you had a question about, you know, Friends of Abe. Yeah, you know, it was very interesting. I had an opportunity to turn around a small mobile media

Starting point is 00:32:06 company, it was called GoTV. And I, a couple of people that came to work with it, they saw, wow, things will be on mobile. This is the dawn. This is right before iPhone. So there's no Android or iOS standard. There's flip phones and companies. You didn't only make content, you had to make it work

Starting point is 00:32:22 on all the various different phones. And what was interesting is there was a lot of people that came there and I met two people that were part of Friends of Abe that were like, oh, I think people know what I'm all about. And, you know, so if I was making stuff that was a little bit more conservative or not, you know, I, you know, I'm just gonna have to deal with that. I think if you, and this is before the crack of the whip with wokeism and how heavy people came down, you know, for this is 2009 to 2012. You know what I'm saying? There was, there was a more subtle, there's subtle cancellation there. It wasn't a slam door on your hand. Yep.

Starting point is 00:33:05 And I met people who were unafraid to say things, but they certainly didn't want to plant the flag in the front yard. Yeah. This is the meetings you used to go to an LA yourself. Yep. I didn't go to a Friends of A meeting, but I was introduced to two people from it.

Starting point is 00:33:24 And they explained what it was going on, and I had great respect for what they were doing and for the risk. But it just seems so different back then, because it was not the hammer. But actually, I like what he's saying. First, you've got to have a platform for people to feel safe to go to a different place, and then from there picking shoes. Look what Ricky Jervais said. Ricky Jervais in the speech.

Starting point is 00:33:47 He said, I guarantee you if ISIS started a new platform the next week and they're giving money where you would call your agent and say, hey, get me on the when he was calling out. Tim Cook with Apple's new thing that they had I'd Ricky that incredible monologue. One of the greatest monologues I've been, I've never heard anybody like the way he hit it.

Starting point is 00:34:03 Come up here, thank you God, thank you this. And get the fuck, yeah. So I don't care, I'm like, this will be the last time I mean, I've never heard anybody like the way he hit it. Come up here, thank you God, thank you this, and get the fuck out. Yeah, so I don't care, I'm like, this will be the last time I ever do. And by the way, he said this, this will be the last time I'll ever do it and then bring it back five times. I don't know if they're gonna bring it back

Starting point is 00:34:13 after this one here. Rob, can you play this clip of what the Pope did, Catholic church, not Protestant, what they did, which is kind of weird. Let me read the caption first before you play the clip if you don't mind Rob. If you just make it smaller what they did, which is kind of weird. Let me read the caption first before you play the clip if you don't mind Rob. If you just make it smaller like you did, there you go. What does it say?

Starting point is 00:34:29 Their Pope Francis had lunch with a bunch of men who think they're women. How do my Catholic friends feel about this on the heels of Francis' move to allow trans baptism Godparents? This is Rob Starbuck. Okay, go ahead and play this clip. So these are these are transgender men going where Rob? They're going to it's a lunch. I think lunch with the Pope.

Starting point is 00:35:05 Are they like a bunch of billionaires that are about to give honey to the building. He went to the building. He went to the building. He went to the building. He went to the building. Are they like a bunch of billionaires that about give honey to the church or what's the occasion? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:35:16 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:35:24 Okay. Jeremy, you see someone like this. What do you think about this? What do you think about, you know, somebody may say, well, you know, they just went to the event. It's not like he is sitting there directly with them. But what do you think about the position the Pope is taking with Catholics? And he's commented on the LGBTQ stuff multiple times. And he's commented on socialism before multiple times.

Starting point is 00:35:44 How do you process this? Well, I think it's important to start by saying, I'm not Catholic, I pointed out earlier than I'm radically Protestant. I appreciate about Catholicism that it is a traditional foundation within a society. And I think that tradition really matters. It's important to have heritage,

Starting point is 00:36:03 it's important to have a connection to your heritage. One of the problems that we have in the world right now is a kind of radical individualism, which disconnects us from community. And you can't have a culture without a community, you can't have a nation without a community. And so organizations like the Catholic Church are really important, even though I have theological

Starting point is 00:36:22 disagreement with the Catholic Church. I don't view my role in the world as much as I want to fighting its coercion. That doesn't mean that I don't want there to be a common culture. It doesn't mean that I want to throw out everything that's allowed us. In fact, if anything, I think that part of our job in the world is to build a future on the best ideas of the past. That's what separates me from being a part of the left. He wants to throw out the past as an ambiguously evil and create something on the basis of nothing except fantasy and dream.

Starting point is 00:36:54 I want to continually refine and hopefully build on the best ideas that have been passed down to us. And the Catholic Church is very important in that regard. To the extent that I don't know what Pope Francis is trying to accomplish. It seems from, I think any observer could say that this is not a conservative pope. He comes from a liberation theology, South American

Starting point is 00:37:19 kind of background. He's very hostile toward America and Americanism. I think that he sees the sort of unique American experiment as being antithetical to his papacy. I'm not considering myself a friend of the Pope. So I don't know what he's trying to accomplish. Is he trying to make a political statement, seems like it. Is he trying to make a theological statement about

Starting point is 00:37:42 how we cannot deny grace to people simply on the basis of them being sinners. Well, if that's what he's trying to do, I probably agree with him. If you're a saint, you don't need grace. And the entire premise of Christianity is at all of sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are redeemed through Christ alone. So to some degree, just watching the clip, am I unsettled by the clip, certainly, can I say that I wildly disagree with what the Pope is trying to accomplish? I don't know what he's trying to

Starting point is 00:38:09 accomplish, so it's hard to say. If he's trying to, in any way, mainstream the behavior itself, if he's trying in any way to say this thing that you think is bad is good and now has my blessing, I would think that that was a really egregious and evil act, but I wouldn't from just watching. I don't know the story. I would not. Let me ask you a different question. Let's just say, let's just say you at daily wire

Starting point is 00:38:30 or hosting a open event, okay? Not by invitation, but open event where I can, I can buy tickets to tend it. Sure. And the attendance is, you know, 500 people for a dinner. Let's just say, would you be opposed to 50 transgenders buying tickets to attend this daily wire dinner? Oh, well, I may not like it,

Starting point is 00:38:52 but to say would I be opposed to it, I have to be responsible for my actions. If I have an open dinner and people buy tickets, then they have to be welcome at the event. That's the nature of it. So, okay, so if that was the case, then the media comes back and says, Jeremy B the nature of it. So, so if, so if that was the case, then the media comes back and says, Jeremy Boring CEO of the conservative company, Daily Wire has, yeah, dinner

Starting point is 00:39:10 with transgenders, right? Sure. How, you know, how should that person be judged? Is the market going to say the conservative is trying to cave to the left? I'm trying to be as fair to the popus possible because I'm being literally the devil's advocate of the devil's advocate if that makes any sense. What do you think about that? The thing about the Pope is he has one of the loudest microphones in the world. And my microphone is not nearly so loud as the Pope's, but I have a fairly prominent microphone myself. So I suppose that if the media were to come back and say Jeremy had a dinner and here he is having dinner with trans people, I'm more than capable of clarifying how I found myself in that position

Starting point is 00:39:52 and what my beliefs are. One of the things that I think creates a lot of problems is when people engage in deliberate ambiguity. I don't want to hide my motives. I want to be very forthright with my motives. I think that if we're, you know, I think one of the things that makes the daily wire successful is that we don't pander to our audience. You know, I'm a lowercase our Republican.

Starting point is 00:40:12 I believe that we're supposed to represent our audience and we're supposed to lead our audience. And there's natural tension between those two premises, but in correctly ordered, in a correctly ordered approach, it's important. What people think they want, they isn't actually always the thing that they do want. What people think is right in any given moment, may not be right.

Starting point is 00:40:34 If you pander to them, then obviously the criticism that's constantly thrown around about right-wing media that you're a grifter, well, it's true if you only tell people what they want to hear so that you can make money off of them. You are, in fact, a grifter. If you tell people what you believe a grifter, well, it's true. If you only tell people what they want to hear so that you can make money off of them, you are, in fact, a grifter. If you tell people what you believe to be true, whether they agree with you or not,

Starting point is 00:40:52 well, then you're hardly a grifter, you're telling the truth. I think the daily wire uniquely endeavors to accurately represent our audience, not betray the value of our audience, but also lead our audience and show them places where we have disagreement. And so, if the Pope is engaged in that kind of behavior, he can make that clear.

Starting point is 00:41:10 That's right. He can tell us what to do. I like it. Deliberate ambiguity. And by the way, am I reading it too much and correct me, please? I won't be offended. If I'm getting a sense that you're encouraging the Pope to start a podcast. Is that? I think you called it a Pope cast. Okay. Pope cast. I like it. The number of podcasts in the world

Starting point is 00:41:30 according to Spotify, pastime Joe Rogan is podcast, you know, he talks about his position with the shows called deliberate ambiguities. But it's also, it's, we can't just completely remove ourselves from people with whom we disagree. You know, the, the, I'm not trying to present some false purity to the world. I have friends who, people who I care about deeply, who are on different sides of issues than I am. And we live in this moment where everyone wants to label you constantly. Everyone wants to figure out where you're impure so that they can expose your impurities

Starting point is 00:42:03 to the world. I'm like, well, it's the entire basis of my belief system is to say, oh yeah, I'm impure. What do you, what do you call it? I'm not hiding that way. So Jim, I wanna ask you a question. So it's funny you say that because we were at church on Sunday and the main thing, the pastor's thing

Starting point is 00:42:19 was a seat at the table. So basically it was like, you know, we have, I have nothing against anybody, Jim. I'll talk with anybody. I love everybody. Like even those people that were at the Vatican, okay, I don't know the motive. I understand. But I wanted to ask you, with this whole phenomenon that's happening. So first of all, one out of four high school kids identifies as LGBTQ.

Starting point is 00:42:36 And from 2017 to 2021, Americans youth receiving a diagnosis of gender dysphoria has tripled in five years. Even in England, a number of girls identifying as transgender, skyrocketed 4,000%. 4,000% in 10 years. Do you think it's an organic phenomenon? Do you remember or do you think that it's a got well-thought-out, implemented like social engineering?

Starting point is 00:42:59 What is happening? Why is this movement taking off so hardcore? Well, of course, it's a, as has been said by other people, it's a social contagion. It's a thing that can only exist in this moment of the internet where young people can, and you see it, I mean, it's been well documented if there's one trans kid in a school,

Starting point is 00:43:18 suddenly there's five trans kids in the school, right? You're exposing people to this idea. And the power of a social contagion is, can reorder civilization itself. I mean, the Germans imported linen into Russia during the First World War, right? Like they knew here is an idea that can bring our enemies completely to their knees.

Starting point is 00:43:38 This one bad idea. If you look at your own life, especially in the West, especially in America in the West. This isn't true, somebody will come back and say, so you're saying people own life, especially in the West, especially in America in the West. This isn't true. Somebody will come back and say, so you're saying people are starving to death in Africa because of a bad idea. Probably, but I'm not suggesting that they necessarily on a personal level would have the ability to have a better idea or to do anything about a better idea if they had it.

Starting point is 00:44:00 But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about in America in the West today, almost every problem you have in your life is a bad idea. 100%. And so the power of a single thought to destroy a life is a thought is far more powerful than a nuclear bomb. And what we have going on in our culture today is the confluence of a small handful of terrible, terrible thoughts. The past is bad. Nothing is, there's no absolute truth. Only the individual matters in a sort of radical way. The collective exists to protect the feelings

Starting point is 00:44:42 of the individual. And when you And when you function in that milieu, you're so vulnerable to an idea like, you are not what your body is. You are something other than what you are. You are software existing and hardware. Silicon Valley, the things you can upload yourself to a computer and that somehow that continues to be you. As though what you are isn't this. What you are is something ethereal, something that continues to be you. As though what you are isn't this.

Starting point is 00:45:05 What you are is something ethereal, something that can't be conceived. In the Christian tradition, there's a new heaven and a new earth and a new body. The apostle Paul says, one day will be tinted and something new. But you're not just a spirit occupying some hardware that can be interchanged.

Starting point is 00:45:22 When you tell people that they are, then of course they're going to believe that they, if they're not connected to this at all, then what they truly are can only be described by them. And that's, I think that's what's causing the 4,000% increase. You know, it's crazy. You said something.

Starting point is 00:45:40 He said the level of speed on how the culture changed from 2008 to 2012. 2008, a Democrat could not win being pro gay marriage, right? And in 2012, a Democrat could not win being anti gay marriage. You have to be prone. What was the difference between 2008 and 2012? You talk about the whole fact that Will and Grace came out and became the top. Show 15 million people are watching this and all this other. I thought it was fascinating, the point you made.

Starting point is 00:46:07 And Will and Grace got people to say, what's wrong with this? What's wrong, the power of media, right? So the whole concept of what, you know, we're all doing here, we're taking a different angle than you are. If you, do you know, if I've talked about this time, I don't want you to say it. If you don't know it, I actually'm curious to know,

Starting point is 00:46:23 and Rob, don't Google this, don't want you to say it. If you don't know it, I actually'm curious to know it. And Rob, don't Google this, because I want you to participate as well. Do you know who produced the first Titanic? Oh, you guys gonna have them. I'm so- Who produced the movie? Who produced the movie? The movie?

Starting point is 00:46:38 Or the movie? Titanic. Oh, you're gonna love this, Jeremy. By the way, you should get this. Yeah, I mean, the film was produced by John Landau, right? Nope, there was one Titanic before that same exact thing. But someone produced it first. Tom, do you know the answer to this or no?

Starting point is 00:46:54 Do you know the answer to this? I should. Are you ready to flip out? Are you gonna flip the F out? You ready? What if I told you it was Adolf Hitler? Why? Go type in hit, go type that rap. All I want you to do is go type in Titanic movie, 1943.

Starting point is 00:47:11 Watch this. And Vinnie, you just prompted the start. That's great. I wasn't even thinking about this. Go right here. Okay, zoom in so we can read this together. Titanic's a 1943 German propaganda film made during the World War II in Berlin by Tobus Productions for UFA, depicting the catastrophic sinking of the RMS Titanic in 1912. This was the third German language dramatization of the event, following a silent film release in 1912, just four months after the sinking of the British German film. Titanic's was commissioned by Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Gobel's with the intent

Starting point is 00:47:43 of showing not only the superiority of German filmmaking, but also as a propaganda vehicle that would depict British and American capitalism as being responsible for the disaster. The addition of an entirely fictional heroic German officer, Peterson to the ship's crew was intended to demonstrate the superior bravery and selflessness of the German men as compared to British officers. The whole movie is about painting Nazi soldiers as heroes, as strong, as powerful,

Starting point is 00:48:12 America and Britain as weak, and a money came from Adolf Hitler. The power of making movies can change elections, can change presidents, can cause wars, can cause new policies, can cause a lot of different things. Oh, movies, music, if you think about it, like Taylor Swift doing her thing, I know she wasn't, she's not political Jeremy, she did say something political during Hillary time,

Starting point is 00:48:39 but I was telling people this, don't be surprised. She opens her mouth and tells these people her Swifties to vote. That is such power. And it influences and it changes the world. Well, listen, Stalin was heavily involved in Hollywood. In the 40s and 50s, it's how we ended up with Ronald Reagan. He was the head of SAG and he was so opposed

Starting point is 00:49:00 to the influence of Stalin. I mean, the people who are willing to wield tools to make you other than you are are keenly aware of the power of the tools that you take for granted. That's it. Because they're the ones looking for those weapons. And you're naively not. And so we've seeded some of the greatest, most powerful mechanisms ever created to people who are ideological enemies because of nigh-evity. You know what I'm just saying? Some of these case studies of media are living in plain sight. In the 70s, remember soap operas were very big.

Starting point is 00:49:36 The afternoon, there was nothing much on except soap operas, general hospital, young arrest of us, one life to live. You can go and take a look at them, take the tour of NBC and it's like the history of the growth of the soap opera. But did you also, in terms of social contagion, do you know what soap operas would invent diseases? You would have thousands of housewives that would go to their doctor and actually,

Starting point is 00:49:59 we're dealing with psychosomatic symptoms that they're bringing on themselves about fictitious diseases that they saw in a soap opera. And we looked at that comically, but really that was a foreshadowing of how easily we were all led by media. That's right. But you know what the movie John Q did to me?

Starting point is 00:50:16 The movie John Q, I don't know if you've seen John Q with Tenzin- Tenzin and Phnomom. Yeah, look at the movie. Tenzin, there's a bunch of guys in it. It's a very good movie. If you watch the movie John Q by the time you're done It was the perfect timing for Obama care to be accepted

Starting point is 00:50:32 Wow, because John Q I didn't see John Q Yeah, I don't bury my kid my kid my son buries me right that whole scene when he's getting emotional Yeah, you know, and don't show this by the way Rob I mean the people in the back is just, so John Q the movie shows the fact that they need a heart transplant for the kid and they have to spend the somewhat quarter million dollars. No, it's a big amount of money. And they're like, yeah, we can't cover that. We can't do that with the insurance. So that got the average person to watch the movie and say, that's not fair. That's not this so it stays There's so much power in movies movies and music and destroy an entire civilization

Starting point is 00:51:11 That's how powerful it is so And by the way, what was this prompted by you said something about you know when you're reading the stats one out of four and you know 3,000 percent and all these things that you give them 4,000 percent Yeah, you know my problem is with the Pope. Here's where my problem is with the Pope. And it's the same thing, the problem I have when I go and talk to some other, you know, Christian, you know, pastors or different people that are calling for, you know, business marketing consulting is, you're too tolerant.

Starting point is 00:51:40 You're too tolerant with wanting to compromise your values and principles and standards. You know what was one of my difficult interviews I ever did that was so painful for me when I did this interview. I was within 30 minutes, I'm like, man, I don't want to do this interview anymore. Mike Ditka, and let me tell you why Mike Ditka. I don't know if you know Mike Ditka, you know, Chicago Bears, or. Hey, here's a cord to go talk to someone who cares. I don't know if you know Mike did come, you know, Chicago Bears, you know.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Hey, here's a cord to go talk to someone who cares. I don't want to talk to you. I would much rather talk to that guy right there. He was the best, you know, what do you call it? Post-game interview guy. My, he's maybe the go to post-game interview. I freaking loved watching this guy. And I interview him and I ask him a question

Starting point is 00:52:21 about calling Kaepernick because it was that time when he got fired from ESPN for making comments about Kaepernick. it was that time when he got fired from ESPN for making comments about Kaepernick, I don't know if you remember this. And he says, you know, maybe I was too hard. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe I was too tough. I'm like, no, you were not, bro.

Starting point is 00:52:36 You were right. Like, I'm trying to as a fan to say, no, don't let them do this to you. You were right. You're a leader. We need more people like you. We need you to stay strong. We don't let them do this to you. You were right. You're a leader. We need more people like you. We need you to stay strong. We don't need you to cave.

Starting point is 00:52:48 We need you to stay like, you know, what's the word where somebody can get you to bend and apologize, go on a freaking apology tour. No, you were right. And his wife is sitting right next to us while I'm doing the interview. You know, I think we need more people that are sitting there saying,

Starting point is 00:53:06 look man, I love you guys. I don't agree with you. Yeah, this is not right. I'm not tolerant to it. This doesn't mean I don't love you. This doesn't mean you and I can't have a conversation together. This doesn't mean we can't have dinner together. You know, some people say, well Pat, you know,

Starting point is 00:53:19 you're anti-Muslim and you're anti-dissing, you're anti-dissing, you're anti-diss. Let me say something most people don't know that they need to know. I'm Armenian, I'm a Syrian, okay? And I'm a Christian, my chef, who's in my house every day. How many days are we doing? I love him.

Starting point is 00:53:34 Five days a week, he cooks for all of us. You ready? He's Turkish, and he's a Muslim. Most people don't know this story. I don't brag about it, I don't need to brag about it. I love this guy. He's amazing to about it. I don't need to brag about it. I love this guy. He's amazing to my kids. We have the best conversations together.

Starting point is 00:53:49 When we first did the interview, he's like, you know I'm Turkish. I'm like, you know I'm Armenian. Yeah, I know. I said, do you want to hurt me? No. I said, I don't have any desire for you to do anything to either.

Starting point is 00:53:59 And if I get along with you, we can sit there and talk. Great. We can have our differences. We can have the conversation. I'm a Muslim. No problem. All good. We differences. We can have the conversation. I'm a Muslim. No problem. All good. We'll sit there and have the conversation.

Starting point is 00:54:08 He has different positions, all the stuff that's going on. I think there's a difference between having love and still being able to disagree. So I don't like that a leader as big as him. There isn't anybody bigger than the Pope. Jolos, he's not bigger than the Pope. We don't have a Billy Graham today. There's no modern day Billy Graham going on baptizing 210 million people. He's got a lot of influence behind him

Starting point is 00:54:26 and I actually don't agree with the positions he's taken. And I think he's being too talkative. And just to throw this out there, I know Italians from Italy, you think they're happy about what he's doing? No, you do the people that's concerned with countries. Jeremy, I was just gonna say, the people that I know that are like,

Starting point is 00:54:40 hey, they're like anti-everything that he's doing and they're furious at what he's doing. Furious. Go ahead Tom. You know, the history of presidential approval ratings agree with you 100% on the topic of leadership against a clear backdrop. Presidential approval ratings rise

Starting point is 00:54:56 when the president is taking a firm stand against a clear backdrop. And it's never been social. It's never been social. Oh, the red wave didn't happen in the last election because of abortion. Well, it was a lot more than that. Did that help? No, but there was a lot more to it.

Starting point is 00:55:11 You take a look at W's approval rating and Clinton's approval rating when they had clear backdrops that they were against and their approval rating was up. And then when they ran to the center, they either got, yep. They're the approval rating slipped and Clinton's

Starting point is 00:55:25 appropriating wasn't slipping because people were appalled that he had, you know, an affair and what happened happened. They were not inspired against a clear backdrop. The best place to go look at it is last week. The Argentine people are not insane. They are not. They saw a clear choice against a very clear backdrop.

Starting point is 00:55:47 And you can see that the populist runs to that. And so you can boil a frog in a pot slowly, but when the frog is at the point of being cooked against a clear backdrop, that's when the voters will respond. And I think the Pope is just meandering through social dynamics. I think he's on like a photo tour. Yeah, he's a seeker-friendly Pope, something that you typically associate with Protestants, right?

Starting point is 00:56:16 This sort of seeker-friendly American Christianity movement. That is what he seems to be. I'm agreeing with you to your point. I mean, once you're against a clear backdrop, the people will follow because they'll say, that's my guy. And by the way, that's what the Dems don't understand about Trump. He's so clear. Let me give you the other side, though. That's also now with the leaders on the other end, don't understand that they have to stand up and have backpoint and that freaking bend every damn time they fear losing something.

Starting point is 00:56:45 Like, you know, you said the scene with your friend, the two girls, the president, who I have an F, two distanced, that whole thing that you were talking about, right? In that moment, your dream may have been, I wanna get an Oscar, I wanna do this, I wanna do that, I wanna do this. The dream of a 12 year old kid, were you from what part of Texas?

Starting point is 00:57:06 Just outside of Lubbock. Just outside of Lubbock. Garza, what was the thing about the... The Garza Theater. Yeah, so this is a kid that has a dream and not your grown man, you're going into, you're having a meeting with people that you want to have, and then that happens. In that moment, you have to make a decision. Values, principles, am I willing to compromise or not? It's a very hard place to be, but we need more people that are intolerant with values and principles, yet loving, gentle, able to give their

Starting point is 00:57:38 argument and allowing other people to agree or disagree and go do your own thing. I don't give you a disagree. Fine. I still respect you, but this is my position. You don't wanna do anything about a salute to you. I love you, but this is where I stand with this and I'm not willing to compromise. It's nothing we need more of that. Anyway, so this is a perfect transition into the trailer. Do we have your permission to show the trailer

Starting point is 00:57:58 here on the podcast? Absolutely. Okay, Rob, go ahead and play this trailer. Okay, this is so before we play this clip, can you tell us 30 seconds what it's about and I will play the trailer for the audience to see? Yeah, the movie is called Lady Ballers. That's my entire description. If you can't get it from that. Lady Ballers. Yeah, it's a it's about some high school state champs whose basketball players whose best days are behind them until they figure out that they can go dominate women sports just by saying that

Starting point is 00:58:23 they're women and nothing else. This thing got 20 million views and 48 hours go ahead and play it. He knew where women's sports is being transformed. The daily wire calls foul with the most triggering comedy of the year. Heh. Oh! Guys, this is serious. Sports can be your pathway to a better life. Well, like you're... Please don't steal my catalytic converter again. Winning Matter is the key ingredient in becoming a winner.

Starting point is 00:59:03 I need you to try it sometime. Are you gonna move? I am not. Shit! Let's cut to the chase. I know you're not a woman. Hi. You know how he identifies.

Starting point is 00:59:15 It's you can beat though. What do you know about the US opens for the global games? You want us to compete as one? $5,000 prices. My lover says you're a great coach back in the day. You're a Jew. This is the way the world is now. My eight- you're a great coach back in the day. Joing. This is the way the world is now. My eight-year-old daughter told me all about it.

Starting point is 00:59:28 So a guy can become a guru with no physical changes at all. Oh, that's called ginger sliving. So I can be a woman on the court. And a man in the bedroom, I can't believe it. Nice. You mean when you're sleeping? Yes. Gochelle. We can play back a ball. We have to get the whole team back together. It's time. Do you mean when you're sleeping? Yes. Go, help us.

Starting point is 00:59:45 We could play back a ball. We have to get the whole team back together. It's time. We're in. Oh, man. I'm in. Two, one. Lady Bogas.

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Starting point is 01:00:14 To she will. We could dominate every woman's fort. Running, swimming, soccer, access, fort feelings. Slate is basketball boys. Nobody watches. Ha ha ha ha ha! Excuse me. Are these seats open? Ha ha ha ha! And that never mind.

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Starting point is 01:01:12 I can't wait to read the reviews on rotten tomato. That's what I'm interested in. I want to read the reviews. So obviously funny as hell, the trailer, I haven't seen a flick yet. This comes out when on Friday, on Friday. Okay, so and it's going to be only on daily wire plus.

Starting point is 01:01:28 Daily wire plus. Okay. Now, when you see the final product right now yourself, what feeling do you have? Is it because I know you what you're thinking about is like that clip with your head hitting the table. Did it actually hurt? Because I look like you actually hit the table. It hurt and I did it 30 times. Here's the thing about hitting about being a stunt guy, you know, like Tom Cruise does all of a sudden stuff. That sucks.

Starting point is 01:01:51 This wasn't able to be done by a stunt guy and so they said, oh, you're going to have to do it. Wait, wait, hit your head on the table. Everything about your body is programmed to break your fall. And so the thing about doing that stunt, if you're not a crazy stunt guy, who's already beat all of this common sense out of yourself, is that you try to stop yourself,

Starting point is 01:02:14 but you also know that you have to pull off the stunt on camera. So all you're doing is ensuring that you're gonna have to do it again and again, and it still hurts every time. It's not like you're not hitting the table. Kidding mad, you can't be like, listen guys, I'm only doing this one. I swear to God, you better get it.

Starting point is 01:02:28 No, yeah, yeah. But because I wasn't good enough to do it, like I wouldn't let myself fully commit to it until I'd had all the sense beat out of me and then you got the good one. So what's a budget for some like this? I think we spent seven million. Seven million on this.

Starting point is 01:02:42 It looks very good. It looks very good. Can't wait to see it on this. It looks very good. Looks very good. Can't wait to see it on December 1st. Go ahead. Go ahead. It comes out exclusively on Daily Wire. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:51 Plus or just regular daily wire plus. Daily wire plus. Got you. So, Jeremy, what are the odds if it's, and we hope, we hope so, we hope for you. It's really successful online. Is there any chance for it to be to a point where you're like, okay, people want to see it, people really love it. We want to put it out in the theater. How would that work?

Starting point is 01:03:08 Yeah, it won't. We met with some theatrical distributors. I think the film would do very well in theaters. In fact, I think that it would out kick its coverage in theaters because right now theaters are in trouble, right? Disney bombed at the box office this weekend. Almost every film since the pandemic has done poorly at the box office this weekend. Almost every film since the pandemic has done poorly at the box office with precious few exceptions.

Starting point is 01:03:29 But for the right, going to the theater can be an act of protest. Buying a subscription to the day of the wire is not an act of protest. So I think it would do much better in theaters than it will on our platform. Here's the problem. That movie ain't going to no theaters.

Starting point is 01:03:43 I'll let this you warn everybody. One of the top agents at UTA came to us years ago, not that many years ago, a couple of years ago, and said, hey, we'd love to work with you guys. We can do some huge things together. And I said, there's no way you'll ever do huge things with us. We believe this, we believe that. He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't care about any of that.

Starting point is 01:04:00 We just care about, you know, there's an opportunity here. We want to take it. He said, the only thing is you got to back off this trans issue. So I don't care what you say about abortion, I don't care what any of that, we just care about, you know, there's an opportunity here, we want to take it. He said the only thing is you got to back off this trans issue. So I don't care what you say about abortion, don't care what you say about religion, don't care what you say about, who to vote for, don't care what you say about taxes, got to back off this trans issue. This is the religious issue of our time for the left.

Starting point is 01:04:18 This represents the culmination of their religious beliefs. And so when we went to theatrical distributors, it was a, not even going to engage in the conversation. It's not that they passed. It was just like, here's a great example. The Hollywood trades have covered every movie we've made at Daily Wire so far. They won't even write about this one. And I understand, because that would be putting themselves on the other side of the actual religion that matters within their industry. So yeah, sadly, while I think that we will have a theatrical strategy for many of our films going forward in the future, there's no way this way.

Starting point is 01:04:52 That ain't the one. By the way, you know what's crazy though? Here's what's crazy. Clay Travis comes out and says, I'll put a million dollars on my own money. I don't know if you saw this time. Clay Travis from Outkick. He gives a million bucks saying,

Starting point is 01:05:03 I am willing to say, I'll pick the high school kids, high school boys, a high school boys basketball team will beat the WMBA champions. Yeah. Have you seen this or no? Okay, so check this out. Then one of the players responds back and calls them clown or whatever, right?

Starting point is 01:05:22 He comes back and says, well, if you're so confident, why don't you do it? No word. Pat Beverly comes out and Pat Beverly says, you're an idiot. He calls him something like you're on drugs, okay? And then Clay Travis says, well, maybe I'm on drugs. He says, but both of us are millionaires. Why don't you put your million dollars on the WMBA

Starting point is 01:05:42 and why don't I put the million dollars on a high school team and let's see who wins. Never got back to him, okay? Never got back to him. He has cornered these ladies and the entire sports mainstream media and athletes who think WMBA is this incredible sport that people wanna watch and you're like,

Starting point is 01:06:02 don't worry, nobody watches WNB and all this other stuff. It just, it shows contradiction and hypocrisy in the argument to say, it's just not real. You know who's the best person that said what she said in 2012 or 13 when she says, Andy Murray playing against me, he would crush Serena. Serena, Serena, Serena Williams. Serena Williams.

Starting point is 01:06:19 And David Letterman couldn't say anything about it. Now, I don't know if she would say today, she said that about 10 years ago, whatever it was, what a movie like this does, you know what it does? It gets you thinking, the challenge for me is the people that watch daily wire are already understanding, look at this, I would lose 6060 to Andy Murray in 10 minutes.

Starting point is 01:06:40 That's right. When Serena William said this, so guess what, respect to her being straight up about it, and she still makes a lot of money. She makes a 20 million here. She's very wealthy. She's the goal. She's won 22, 23, 24. You know, a couple of managers, a couple of majors. She's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, right? But the purpose of this movie, this is where my concern goes,

Starting point is 01:07:08 is the people that need to watch it may not pay to watch it on daily wire. The people that need to watch it, need to watch it to be sitting there saying, what a stupid thing this is. So is the plans, and I don't know what you're going to say to this, maybe this is the plans because, you know know what you're gonna say to this. Maybe this is the plans because you know, it could be part of the playbook, where you guys that what is a woman and you first had it on Daily Wire Plus for a couple years, whatever the timeline was,

Starting point is 01:07:34 and then you put it on Twitter and got 100 million views within 24 hours and Elon Musk retweeted it. Is the plans for this to be on Daily Wire Plus for about a year or two and then you put it on Twitter to get the eyeballs of the you know regular folks to watch and say, hopefully shit, this makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I would say that well first, we're often accused of preaching to the choir, but preaching to the choirs who you preach to, the choirs who listens and the reality. The baptized though, you got a baptized as well.

Starting point is 01:07:59 But who does that? And this is my actual argument. You preach to the choir because it's the choir who goes out and has relationships one-on-one, which is actually where most people change their mind. I changed my mind about my theology, because I had a great professor for my very, very, very brief stint in college.

Starting point is 01:08:17 I had a professor who would argue with me about religion. And I never was even conscious of the fact that I changed my views. I just slowly over time found that when I was talking to other people, I was saying not the things that I would say to him, but the things that he would say back to me. And then one day, in a moment of self-reflection, I went, well, he actually changed my mind. I actually believed something now that is distinct from what I believed before. That's how most of us come to our belief. It's from our close community, it's from our friends, it's from mixing it up. It's not from watching the Ben Shapiro show.

Starting point is 01:08:46 No, it's a sure. Some people watch the Ben Shapiro show, a lefty or watch the Ben Shapiro show, boom, they're conservative. That's rare. Far more likely is a conservative watch is the Ben Shapiro show. They now get ammunition for how to actually articulate

Starting point is 01:08:58 and actually think about these issues. Then they go out into the world and have conversations with people with whom they disagree and those people make change. So I don't think preaching to the choir is an atleabat, I think it's good, but it's not sufficient. Obviously, there's the next thing that needs to happen. With what is a woman, as you say, we put it on Twitter on the one-year anniversary and had an enormous success with it. Will we do that with this? Well, I don't know what we will do with this, but certainly, we're constantly innovating and evolving and thinking about how to reach people. So whether that's putting it on X or whether it's some other strategy, certainly we're going to find

Starting point is 01:09:33 broader and broader audiences for our content over time. Well, it sounds like you're subscribing to basically the execution of apologetics. I'm going to give you the way to argue, and and then I'm gonna let you go work with the people that you know and love on a more One-to-one basis. I'm not gonna expect you to convert, you know, in amongst the mob. Yeah, but there are some that are breaking through. You know, South Park's Pandiverse episode has been your smiling has been absolutely destroying Disney and Kennedy. It showed smiling has been absolutely destroying Disney and Kennedy it showed it went after Kennedy the woman who's been redoing all the Kennedy. Yep, all the she's been responsible for all the bombs and that happened under Chpec because it's the release windows is what Iger was dealing with when he

Starting point is 01:10:18 showed up. But all this was done there there are some people that are doing it. I mean they've got that this was done there. There are some people that are doing that. I mean, they've got that, they took that platform, got it on Paramount Plus and it's out there. Everybody's seeing it and Disney is reacting, trying to keep it off. They're doing everything they can to fight it. And God bless whoever at Paramount Plus said, no, no, no, no, that's part of the series. That's that's higher. That's cartoon. We're going to leave it on. But that thing was heavy handed. You know, it's crazy about his movie to pet by doing one of them on people can actually do like I know it's a movie but the guys could literally today do exactly what you guys did in the movie say that they're women and do exactly what he's doing like nothing's holding you back what they are doing it yeah are doing it yeah the scene that's in the trailer and and I'll stop talk I'll stop

Starting point is 01:11:03 still promoting the scene in the trailer where Blaine stop I'll stop still promoting it. No, it's all good. The scene in the trailer where Blaine Crain is wrestling, he lifts the woman off the ground and smashes her. First of all, it hurt. She's a professional stunt woman and it was painful and it was painful to watch. And when I was driving home, I actually had a moment of reflection that night and thought, what is this immoral? Am I doing something wrong? Like we we humiliated that gal. I mean, she signed up for it. She's a professional, but you don't feel great about it.

Starting point is 01:11:26 And then I realized, oh no, this isn't even a joke. The first male MMA fighter who identified as a woman and fought an actual biological woman broke her skull. Almost killed her. Broke her skull. All we're doing is what they did in death of Stalin. We're saying, no, this is reality and it's okay to laugh at it. Exactly. Are you calling it inspired by true events?

Starting point is 01:11:50 I should have. You should have. Honestly, you should have. That's what I mean. You're a star, right? You know, have you read Musk's book, Walter Isaacson or no? No. Okay, I'm going to give you a line. I think it's the best line. This is one of my favorite quotes recently that I've read. The quote says in Musk's book, it's fantastic. It says, Musk likes to take the fiction out of science fiction. What a powerful thing to say. What a powerful thing to say. Musk likes to take the fiction out of science fiction.

Starting point is 01:12:24 You could have called this based on true events and people would say, that makes a lot of sense. So let's talk about Disney and Marvel. So Disney admits that it's left-wing policies or shareholders in new SEC filing. Disney is not admitting that it's been slapped by its own customers for its far left social and political agenda.

Starting point is 01:12:42 Legal expert Jonathan Turley wrote in the recent column, Disney's SEC filing, we face risks relating to misalignment with the public and consumer, tates and preferences for entertainment, traveling consumer products, which impact demand for entertainment offering and products and that profitability of any of our businesses.

Starting point is 01:12:59 We face risk related to changes in our business strategy or restructuring of our business, which has affected and may continue. This past summer, Disney Stock had hit a nine-year low with its marketing cap falling from $350 billion in March of 2022, $254 billion, a decline of, you ready? They lost $196 billion in one year.

Starting point is 01:13:24 What? $196 billion, a 56% drop off in a little over a year. And then at the same time, they're talking about what happened with wish. Disney's animated musical comedy wish has a disappointing box office. They be earning approximately $19.5 million. Over the three day Thanksgiving and 31.7 million

Starting point is 01:13:43 to five days. This film marks Disney's 100th anniversary celebration, features a cosmic force named star in sharp-wooded hero named Asha, the Hunger Games and the Bounders on the lines get top now because I'm so sorry to interrupt you. So when you see these types of things, and by the way, this is back to back to back to back

Starting point is 01:14:02 to back, it's an a trend with Disney. You know, Bob Eiger wrote a great book called The Right of a Lifetime. And then he made the mistake of coming back, okay. That's right. This guy comes back and now the sequel of that book should be a right of a lifetime with a shitty return. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:14:21 Kai. Maybe the best deal maker we've had in the last 40 years, he sat with the biggest alphas and bought their companies, Lucas, Jobs, you know, Murdoch. I don't know how many other names I can say. He's done it all, right? Start off a guy, great executive. Do you think one, any of this is his blame,

Starting point is 01:14:47 is a chaper, is it, do you think he's sitting there regretting his return? And all in all, why do you think Disney knowing that this has happened and they continue doing it? Or is it the fact that the pipeline of these movies have taken three to five years to make that they're kind of like, let's get to all these shitty movies out and then we'll change our philosophy next year, but it's not gonna take, it's gonna take us three to five years to make that they're kind of like, let's get all these shitty movies out and then we'll change our philosophy next year,

Starting point is 01:15:05 but it's not gonna take, it's gonna take us three to five years to recover what the next movies are gonna come out. Well, I think you've got, there's a lot there to unpack. First, I'll say, is any of it Bob Eiger's fault? Of course it is, right? But Bob Eiger wasn't uninvolved in setting the stage for what was gonna come after him.

Starting point is 01:15:22 You know, you're not Bob Eiger and then shocked and dismayed to figure out who they replace you with. So yeah, Bob Eiger put a lot of this in place. Yes, one of the great executives of our time, as to why he came back, does Michael Jordan still play basketball? It's almost impossible to ever walk away

Starting point is 01:15:36 from the thing that you're uniquely gifted at. And we see it with professional athletes all the time that they come back after their heyday and do poorly, but they can't walk away from the game. So I get that he can't walk away from the game and he can't walk away from his legacy and he's a greater executive than anybody at this table will ever be, but that doesn't mean that he hasn't made his billion dollar mistakes. And I think he's dealing with one right now.

Starting point is 01:15:58 Yes, the window of time that it takes for these things to come out is a huge part of it. If Disney decided today, we're only gonna make movies about Bible stories. Well, you wouldn't get one of those movies about Bible stories for three years. There's just, that's just the reality of what that process looks like. So that's part of what they're fighting against.

Starting point is 01:16:16 But I think the biggest problem that they have, and I know this from many, many incredibly gifted people within Disney, with whom I've spoken over the last year. They fired everyone who knows how to engage in traditional storytelling without all of this woken nonsense in it. They created such a bubble over there that even if Bob Eiger does say, Bob Eiger, if Bob Eiger came out today and said, we're not even going to release the crap, we're going

Starting point is 01:16:41 to take the hit. And then starting on a day, three years from today, we're going to relaunch Disney. He doesn't have the team to do it. He said recently, you know, we've waited too far into politics and now we're going to, now we're going to not pick these controversial political fights anymore. The people that, the people actually working for him who have to effectuate that plan, do not know the difference between the controversial things they believe and the uncontroversial things that they believe. Because they exist within a company that's a bubble, within an industry that is a bubble,

Starting point is 01:17:09 within a city that's a bubble, within a state that's a bubble, that entire, you know, well documented. The right understands the left. We disagree, but we understand. The left does not understand the right. The left does not understand themselves. Disney has engaged in the greatest act of brand suicide that has probably ever happened in recorded history. The most beloved brand, the most good will, with the most important people, parents, on behalf of the most vulnerable people, children.

Starting point is 01:17:38 We trust Disney for three consecutive generations. We as adults trust Disney with our children. Disney helped shape the world view of every single adult in this country. We trusted them so much that we gave them tax breaks all over the country. All the good will that came their way because they were so unique. And they created the greatest content library ever assembled in all of human history. And then they squandered it. The lesson there for anybody engaged in any kind of business

Starting point is 01:18:07 is enormous. If you think that you are more powerful than your audience, you have completely lost the plot. And Disney has completely lost the plot. I don't think Bob Eiger, can he get their share price up over time, maybe, or maybe he'll just sell it to Apple? Which is, I think- That's what he's trying to do. I think that's what's gonna happen. Yeah, he's gonna sell it to Apple. He's gonna sell it to Apple.

Starting point is 01:18:31 He'll sell it to Apple and it'll become even more radical because Apple can afford for a time to be disconnected from the audience. They can't afford it forever. It's crazy, the same thing with the Budweiser. You know what I mean, Bud Light, how insane, how do you even think in that meeting? And I remember the girl that was in charge, Rob.

Starting point is 01:18:48 I forgot her name, but she's the one that made the decision. She had all the rainbow stuff and stuff behind her. A beer, what guy, normal drinking country, and you put Dylan Mulvaney. And I would put them at number two for the worst decision, for the worst for your people to be like, what a overnight shock, and I don't know how many billions that they lost,

Starting point is 01:19:07 but what? What are the customers for Bud Light? Or very friday? Yeah, we need to grow. But at what point go, go, go, like how many more times, how many more instances have to happen until these people actually wake up? Like genuinely wake up?

Starting point is 01:19:23 Because it's billions and built, it's not like, okay, we lost five million dollars, okay, we can move on. This is billions and billions of dollars. But here's your problem. The problem is that the left has complete agemony in the culture today. And one of the consequences of that problem,

Starting point is 01:19:38 A, is that they don't know. But B, is that there are no true consequences. So, has she lost her job? If she has lost her job, where is she working now? Exactly. Because the left will reinforce these bad behaviors, even if Bud fires her. Someone else will hire her.

Starting point is 01:19:56 In fact, they'll hire her and pat themselves on the back for their active heroism in rescuing her from the persecution of the other company that fired her. They can't get rid of, it comes full circle, that they are so committed to this bad thought, this bad idea that is in their head, that in times of relative peace and relative prosperity, they're willing to just engage in self-flagulation over and over and over again. Do you know what zombie companies are? Or your family would what zombie companies are? Or your family with zombie companies?

Starting point is 01:20:25 So zombie companies are companies that the, their actual business model doesn't make money. It only makes money to pay operating expenses. And the debt aside from that, there's no profits that they don't have money to invest into it. Okay. Zombie companies rely on debt to grow. For example, in 1997 in America, according to the Fed,

Starting point is 01:20:54 1% of companies in America were zombie companies. Today, according to Goldman and according to the Fed, 25% of companies today are zombie companies. By the way, Ford is a zombie company. Ford is a zombie company. Sears was a zombie company. They filed bankruptcy. JCPenney was a zombie company.

Starting point is 01:21:16 They filed bankruptcy. Toys of Russ was a zombie company. They filed bankruptcy. Iheart Media is a zombie company. They're getting destroyed. They're filing bankruptcy. So what Media is a zombie company. They're getting destroyed. They're filing bankruptcy. So what happens with zombie companies? The reason why the increase of zombie companies went from 1% to 25% is because of the interest rates going to 0% for as long as it did. And when I want to

Starting point is 01:21:39 0% these companies are like, hey, deal, they'll just keep getting that. By the way, four just got 9.3 billion dollars last year. That's how they're surviving for three quarters that were negative, negative, three years that were negative, negative, negative, negative, and not barely they're coming out of it. Because Biden gave them 9.3 billion dollars saying, hey, these guys are going to be an EV company. You're not a freaking EV company. The other guys are EV companies, but totally get it. So the whole too big to fail, you know, they were afraid to

Starting point is 01:22:02 lend these companies go out of business. So the tar program that they came up with, and most people don't even know what tarp stands for. Can you Google what tarp stands for? So tarp, oh, the tar program, it's just a tar program. What a good tar program. tar program is troubled asset relief program. Troubled is the tea. Troubled asset.

Starting point is 01:22:27 So let's bail out troubled asset relief program. Instead of letting capitals undo its part. Here's a problem. When, like these companies I just said, the Sears, Jayseepenny, Iheart Media, Poiz de Ross, they all filed bankruptcy between 2016 to 2020. Here's what

Starting point is 01:22:45 happened when trump became a president he appointed your own power to chair of the fed i think used to be yellow before i don't know what but i think he points power when power comes in he starts increasing rates if you go to twenty seventeen rates started increasing and even trump was in a fact that it was increasing rates so when they increase rates these companies are like do you can do that we're

Starting point is 01:23:04 trying to borrow money. Do you want to know where we can last us? Through debt, you can be doing this. So the more, if the interest rates today, power keeps them the way he does, companies like Disney and a lot of these other companies have to be bought by somebody else because they're not going to be able to last.

Starting point is 01:23:19 A lot of these zombie companies are going to get destroyed the longer rates they hire and the correlation between interest rates being high and zombie companies are going to get destroyed the longer rates they hire. And the correlation between interest rates being high and zombie companies being exposed is identical. And the rates being lower and the increase in zombie companies is identical. So you notice that trend. So at the end of the day, you can pitch the woke shit all you want. Guess what the customer is going to say. Get the hell out of here. And then you're gonna be another zombie company that once was a great company where the founders crying, watching Donifies and Heavens

Starting point is 01:23:51 saying, what the hell did you guys do to that company? Did I put tens of thousands of hours of my life being away from the kids, the family, road. I was sick, I was still doing conference calls, they anxiety, the panic attacks, the times I was dealing with health issues that I couldn't advertise because God forbid, you know how to meet a secret doctor so the public wouldn't talk about it.

Starting point is 01:24:09 They're about to pay a price and I'm willing to say the person that controls which one of these companies get exposed as zombie companies is Jerome Powell. If Jerome Powell decides to decrease the rates, it'll be the return of the zombies. Literally, it'll be the return of the zombies. But if Jerome Powell keeps the rates high for another year and a half and he doesn't get fired, you're going to see the next year and a half, two years. Some of these guys getting picked up by other people

Starting point is 01:24:34 who are better at operating expenses, who are better at making profits, who are better at running the company. And we had a couple of the competitors, they're raising money by companies. They're raising money by companies. They're raising money by companies. They're raising money by companies when rates are very low. Okay. The none of a sudden your rates are, if they're adjustable and all of a sudden it's going

Starting point is 01:24:53 up and it's like, you know, re-triggers every two to three years, you're like, we're okay at 3%. We can't forget this is a 7.5%. You saw what happened to the interest rates, what the hell are we talking about right now? And you're like, you got to be cheaper on the way you're spending the money. So they can do this all they want. The market if rates stay high is gonna topple

Starting point is 01:25:13 a lot of these companies and they'll get exposed. And Bob is just trying to sell it because Disney stock it's just gonna go lower and lower. And lower and Apple is sitting there saying, yeah, we'll buy you, but in another year we'll save another 33% why would we buy today? What's it gonna buy? You'll be an Apple company but we'll wait. We wait a year we'll save 50 billion dollars and I know they like to have their cash. Did you watch Napoleon the movie? I've not been to the movies. Do you like Joaquin Phoenix? I think it's the greatest living after.

Starting point is 01:25:43 Okay, we're on the same page. To me it's top three. I think it's the greatest living after. Okay, wrong same page, to me is top three. I think Waking is phenomenal. Do you know the story about how much the budget was or are you following any of this story with Napoleon? Yeah, I've been overseas, I haven't been into it. Okay, so $200 million to make. Ridley Scott, yeah. Yep, Ridley Scott, $200 million to make.

Starting point is 01:25:59 To break even, they needed to do $400 million opening week. They did $79 million, missed it by $321 million. I sat there, took, you know, 10, 12 family members were sitting there watching an entire movie together. I couldn't believe they wasted a year of Joaquin Phoenix as a life to make this shitty movie.

Starting point is 01:26:23 Okay. It was more like a documentary. You know how they do these documentaries where there's like actual actors dressed like warriors? You know what I'm talking about? I don't know what they call it, but... We're in that. We're in that.

Starting point is 01:26:32 That's what I felt. When you're done watching it, it's another example of destroying a Western leader and only showing his weakness. And he's walking around like a little weak man in secure, rather than the general that he was. Not a single point in the movie that I even was I even tempted to cry.

Starting point is 01:26:50 How do you make a three hour movie, a two hour and 45 minute movie and not make me cry single time? There's Josephine dies. There was not a moment where I was like, emotional about the way you took me there. You had an opportunity to take this movie in a way where, you know, it almost reminded me of when Colin Ferrell did Alexander.

Starting point is 01:27:09 Remember when Colin Ferrell, the Alexander, like, 30 years going to was another miss, and they're like, this was a bad job they did for portraying who Alexander was and all this other stuff. Very disappointing when I watch this myself walking. When you watch Walk the Line, when you watch some of these movie, you think like, dude, the guy's a frickin' beast.

Starting point is 01:27:28 This is a very much of a misjob. I know you watch it as well with me. It was one of those movies where, because normally, if it's a good movie, I'm not going into the bathroom, I don't care. I'll even time the drinking of the water throughout the day. I went to the bathroom three times and came back and it was still just,

Starting point is 01:27:43 because like he said, at least in Gladiator, and I mean, you can't compare the two obviously, but Gladiator, it started with the war. They killed his wife, they hanged the wife. It's, this was just like a day in the life of the Polian and like Pat said, just weak, and the girl was kind of, she was in charge, and like zero motion, zero excitement,

Starting point is 01:28:04 and like I said, I walked away. You could have, I think like for people to have kids, you could just, if the kids not going to sleep, play this movie and the kid will pass out instantly. It was just a cure for insomnia. It's one of what there's one thing I know is that the, the greatest general and conqueror, maybe in human history was definitely whipped by his wife, who is really the, the one calling all the shots. No, no question about it.

Starting point is 01:28:25 Josephine the conqueror. Yeah. Josephine the great. It's the last three words. He says the last three words before he died was France, Army, Josephine. Good. The last three words.

Starting point is 01:28:40 And he tweeted it out, I think, when he said that, Napoleon. Yeah, they still have it. It was a nice thing. You know what, my three words, when we left the he said that Napoleon. Yeah, they still have it. It was a nice. You know, my three words, when we left the theater was, Patrick, never again. Yeah, that's right. That was don't from my three words. Never again.

Starting point is 01:28:53 Are you following what's going on in Dublin and what Conor McGregor said to, you know, the whole challenge that's taking place, they're wanting to take refugees and follow in that story. All right, let's read that story. I know a little bit about what's happening in Ireland, but not the counter-migrant. Okay, so let's read this and then we'll get your commentary on it.

Starting point is 01:29:08 So, yeah. Dublin sees worse writing in decades after children's stab. This is a Wall Street Journal story. Dublin witness its worst civil disorder in decades, resulting in 13 damage shops, 34 arrests, and the deployment of over 400 police officers. Guarda Commissioner Drew Harris attributed the violence to lunatic who will again,

Starting point is 01:29:26 a faction driven by the far right ideology, the riots following a stabbing attack outside a school, leaving three children injured and five-year-old girl in critical condition. A man in his 50s was taken into custody and the incident sparked rumors online. Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar condemned the rioters, warning of potential further protests

Starting point is 01:29:46 and emphasizing the need for review of the event of violence, has also raised questions about migration in Ireland with around 141,600 migrants, immigrants entering the Republic between April, damn, April 2022 and April 2023, according to government figures, the majority coming from Ukraine, and while this is taking place, Conor McGregor rips the Irish government, appears to hint at political aspirations. Conor McGregor, Rob, if you got the tweet, the USU superstar criticized the current state of Ireland amid protests. McGregor said, I do not condone last night's rights. I do not condone any attacks on our first responders

Starting point is 01:30:28 in the duty of line of duty. I do not condone looting and the damaging of shops. McGregor emphasized the need for action and change in Ireland, hinting at potential as per efficiency stated, I am in the process of arranging. Believe me, I am way more technical and I have backing. There will be change in Ireland, mark my words. McGregor also warned that if officials don't act to ensure

Starting point is 01:30:50 Ireland's safety, he wouldn't take matters into his own hands, sink if they do not take action soon, with their plan of action to ensure Ireland's safety, I will. So what are your thoughts on what's going on there? Well, first of all, the greatest bad idea of the 20th century is that you can have unfettered immigration. Immigration is important, obviously America's an immigrant country, but the melting pot theory of immigration

Starting point is 01:31:15 requires you not to change fundamentally the taste of the soup. You see what I mean? You have to bring in people who either align with the soup, and so bringing them in doesn't change the flavor of the soup, or you bring in people who don't, but in small enough numbers, that the soup assimilates the ingredient,

Starting point is 01:31:32 the ingredient doesn't overpower the soup. And that worked very well in this country for a long time, and in the second half of the 20th century, we threw that completely out the door, and we said, no, no, no, everything all the time, bring in everybody. In fact, it was a deliberate political strategy led by Ted Kennedy and others in this country

Starting point is 01:31:49 to change the voting demographics of the country to more align with his politics. And I think it hasn't always been that. And that's not the only thing that was a play. There's also a huge economic aspect, which is when your culture isn't having babies at a replacement rate or at a growing rate, you have to bring in immigrants in order to do certain jobs, especially in times of prosperity.

Starting point is 01:32:10 There's other refugee concerns, but essentially the bad idea is that every culture is the same. And therefore, no matter who we lead into our country, our culture will remain our culture. And that is a bad idea that kills nations. And so you look around the world right now and you see, well, it turns out 50 years into this experiment that all cultures are not the same. And that if you bring in too many people from certain cultures at a rate in which the soup can't consume the ingredient,

Starting point is 01:32:39 you start changing the taste of the soup, you start changing your culture into their culture. And people are rightly pushing back against that. I don't think that they're always pushing back against it in the right way, but it is right to push back against it. And the real question for the West is, is it too late? You know, when the number one baby name in Britain is Mohammed, you've, you've gone a long way down this road. Yeah. And what are you going to do about it? And I worry that what's ahead in the next 20 years in the world is going to be an incredibly dark time as the West either goes through death, death

Starting point is 01:33:14 gasp or course corrects. And either one of those is likely to be painful. And I'm likely to disagree with a lot of the actions taken by people who I think did accurately diagnose the problem. I think one of the challenges, particularly in this sort of emerging right wing movements around the world today, is that a lot of people are accurately diagnosing the problem, but their prescription is the incorrect prescription. And that happens when you push people who have not been thinking about issues for a long time to their breaking point.

Starting point is 01:33:48 You can't expect they're gonna have the right answer. But they are gonna be pretty acutely aware that there's a problem. And I think that's part of what we're seeing. Like Conor McGregor, burning down shops and looting is a bad reaction. But the outrage is understandable. I want to read this and a Vinny, I want to come to you. I'm going to read this tweet because this is the one I miss and I'm going to come to. So Leo Varathkar, this is a day of enormous joy and relief

Starting point is 01:34:11 for Emily Hand and her family and innocent child who was lost. He was lost. Has now been found and returned. And we breathe a massive sigh of relief. Our prayers have been answered. By the way, readers added context. Emily was not lost. She was abducted by the police. has now been found and returned. And we breed a massive sigh of relief. Our prayers have been answered. By the way, readers added context.

Starting point is 01:34:27 Emily was not lost. She was abducted by terrorists from Hamas. Conor Gregor. She was abducted by an evil terrorist organization. What is with you and your government and your paid for media affiliates, constantly downplaying, attempting to repress horrific acts that happened to children.

Starting point is 01:34:45 You are a disgrace the day after a stabbing of children in Ireland, not one paper had it on their front cover. We will not forget. I mean, look, if there's anything about this guy, he knows how to fight, but this guy knows how to fight with his fists and his legs, but with his body, but he also knows how to fight with his mouth, which is rare to find. Vinny, go ahead. And it's funny that the Irish government is going after people who are complaining about the problem

Starting point is 01:35:10 instead of going after the actual problem itself. And by the way, 75% of people in Ireland think that this is a problem. They all think like how Connor's thinking. But let's think about it. This guy that attacked, it was an Algerian migrant. He stabbed these kids outside of a school path and he was supposed to be deported 20 years ago

Starting point is 01:35:28 but the government let him stay, gave him a passport and citizenship. He was also caught with a knife earlier in the year and guess what, they let him go. They just let him go. So you have to ask why all these things are happening, right, Pat? And then there's bills that are being put in place right now that are pretty jacked up. Is it okay if he shows his pat? Senator Pauline O'Reilly was speaking about

Starting point is 01:35:49 Ireland's hate speech bill. You know what I mean, Jeremy? Because they're going out to these people. I'll have Rob play it. And then I'll tell you what this bill actually has and no wonder why the people are pissed off. This is Senator Pauline O'Reilly from Ireland. You're about it. All law, all legislation, is about the restriction of freedom. That's exactly what we're doing here. Is we are restricting freedom, but we're doing it for the common good. You will see throughout our constitution,

Starting point is 01:36:15 yes, you have rights, what they are restricted for the common good. Yeah. Everything needs to be balanced. I'm with the government. I'm here to help. If you're a muse on other people's identities go to make their lives. You can stop that.

Starting point is 01:36:29 She's a very pleasant tyrant. Yeah, yeah, exactly. She's sweet. She's not, she actually, you know, when that's somebody who has a necklace, I trust them. But people don't realize how extreme this bill, this hate speech bill that they're trying to do, Jeremy. You can get up to 12 months in prison for refusing to give your password to your device since, if suspected of committing a hate speech.

Starting point is 01:36:46 If they think you were being hateful, you have to give them your passcode of your phone and all your social media, or as you go to prison for 12 months. And I respect Connor Pat because he is a true patriot. Think about it, he's worth hundreds of millions out of dollars. He knows he's out there, right? He has an amazing life, amazing family. I mean, he himself, he's pumping out kids left and right. He's

Starting point is 01:37:08 saving the Ireland's blood line forever. But he got a state quiet, Pat. He does, why did he need to talk? He knows once he went public with his opinion, especially going against the left's narrative that they tried to destroy him. And think about it, Pat, do you remember a couple months ago, I started losing faith, Jeremy, I was like, hope. And we had a conversation, I was sitting right where you were sitting, it's like, you have to keep hope. And he literally woke me up and I turned my mindset

Starting point is 01:37:35 because look what's happening in the world. It started with Trump, Argentina, Alex Malay, the Netherlands elected a gear welders, the people in Spain are in the street, they're protesting by the hundreds of thousands. Elon by Twitter, you know, let's us speak our minds. And now Conner's hinting for running for office, I'm regaining that hope and that faith because it seems like the left keeps going left and more left and more left.

Starting point is 01:37:57 But the people are actually speaking and there is a chance for us because I'm seeing it happen right in front of our faces. You know, you know what is crazy while you're showing this clip? The clip that to me is the most shocking and rabbi texted it to you. If you can play the clip from Poland, the position he takes while they're talking about refugees, going to play this clip, this never gets old. Go for it. How many refugees has poland taken

Starting point is 01:38:26 uh... zero and you're proud of that if you are asking me if you're if you are asking me about muslim uh... muslims illegal immigration none not even one will come to pollin not even one if it's illegal we we took over two million million Ukrainians who are working,

Starting point is 01:38:46 who are peacefully in Poland. We will not receive even one Muslim, because this is what we promised. But I asked about immigrants, I asked about refugees. And Jean-Claude Junker, the Commission President, says that you're racist. You sound proud of the fact that you haven't taken any refugees. Of course, because this is what our people expect from our government, that's number one. This is why our government

Starting point is 01:39:12 was elected. But this is why Poland is so safe. This is the reason why we had not even one terrorist attack. Look at the streets in Poland. and we can be called populists, nationalists, racists, I don't care. I care about my family and about my country. The backbone makes what you got to respect. What's your reaction when you see this stuff happen? Yeah you know there's there's two countries in Europe, Poland and Hungary where they're not abiding this and they're safe countries. I don't know. Time will tell if people like Victor Orban have dictatorial tendencies, certainly they

Starting point is 01:39:50 have autocratic tendencies. Benjamin Netanyahu has autocratic tendencies. And time will tell, again, power, wealth, and fame are corrosive. The systems that are in place in those countries and the character of those men be able to constrain in some way, the worst things that can happen in those countries and the character of those men be able to constrain in some way those worst, the worst things that can happen in those situations, I certainly hope so. But on the other side, in the more, what we might call the more democratic countries, the more liberal democracies,

Starting point is 01:40:15 like America, Britain, France, we're losing our national identity. And not just our national identity, but in the name of radical individualism, we're losing individual identity too, because your daughter can actually lose connection to the part of her identity that is girl, and your son can lose part of his identity that is boy, and we're losing our ability to say that our country represents something good, that our cultures, despite

Starting point is 01:40:37 their flaws, represent something good in the world, and maybe even the best thing that's ever been represented in the world. And so, yes, it is, again, maybe not all the prescriptions are correct, but you're seeing absolutely the right diagnoses by the former Polish prime minister and the current prime minister of Hungary and other Gertwolders and others who are coming up and hopefully Conor McGregor too. I hope so.

Starting point is 01:40:57 By the way, it's gonna be very, if he becomes a P, oh my, if he does, it'll be the most entertaining, right? The everybody worldwide is gonna to go visit Ireland. Can you imagine I'm working on for vacation? Just a minute. I'm going over there. They shouldn't have debates. They should have a weigh-in.

Starting point is 01:41:12 It'll be the greatest political battle. Oh my God. Can you see foreign leaders coming up here? Welcome to Ireland. Well, okay. And tomorrow, we debate. But first today, we, because you know somebody would say something, Penny, be like, what the fuck? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:41:27 What are you talking about? Full God. He would be like, okay, today we're going to open up the prayer with proper 12 drink. Everybody knows the clothes. Okay, so next couple of stores before we wrap up here. So Argentina, Miele, says shutting down central bank, non-negotiable, a Reuters story.

Starting point is 01:41:47 So here we go. This is on what pages it on Rob. Is it three or four, Malay is on five? Okay, here we go. Let me see, there you go. Argentina president-elect Javier Miele has strongly reiterated his commitment to close in a country's central bank, emphasizing that it is non-negotiable matter. This statement was made in response to circulating rumor and lines with Miele's campaign promising

Starting point is 01:42:09 of enacting substantial reforms and a shift from the initial plan of appointing a close-all economist, Osvaldo Gordano, from the central Cordoba region, will lead Argentina, Social Security Administration, and assess a critical institution critical institution given malaise intention to reduce state spending and subsidies. Additionally, Horacio Marien, a private executive in the energy sector has been officially named as the incoming chief of the state oil company, YPF Tom. Well, he's basically, Argentinians had what was a hundred and fifty percent inflation over 12 months and then before that 80% so the last three years in Argentina had been nothing short of horrific and the people are ready

Starting point is 01:42:51 for that and he sees the manipulation of the central banks all throughout the west. Argentina is in the west barely with the economy and things sliding and he's come out and he's basically said listen i'm gonna break the back of inflation i'm gonna do this and we're gonna stop the manipulation of the central bank he's even go so far to say that in a pinch he would petition for the u.s. dollar to be the currency

Starting point is 01:43:18 yet to to and bubbly that's not unusual there are there are dollar proxies all around the world and i think he has spoken up for what exactly what the people wanted. And he's saying we're going to pay for it by closing government offices that are, what is it called, the decadence of Argentina, the meaning when he says decadent, he's been talking about all the excessive spending on the backs of people. And guess what? Folks have had enough.

Starting point is 01:43:44 And against a clear backdrop, they voted him in. And he is sticking to it about not having a central bank that cowtiles to other countries, or that is manipulating the currency. I'll say this, I've spent much of the last six months living in Hungary making our show the pin dragon cycle. And it's been a remarkable experience. You're in a country that is pushing back against the sort of invogue excesses of liberalism. You're in a country that is refacing sort of modernist brutalist architecture

Starting point is 01:44:21 from the Soviet Union or even corporatist architecture with facades to make it feel at home in the sort of Victorian era, 18th, 1800s-era style of the city. They're positively affirming their Christianity, they're positively affirming their history, they're positively affirming their values. And it's refreshing because my entire life, we've been apologizing for our values. And it's refreshing because my entire life we've been apologizing for our values.

Starting point is 01:44:47 My entire life we've been saying that there is no value in the past. My entire life we've been saying that the only future is a future that is sort of culturally neutral. And that is a great failed experiment. So my great hope is that these movements that are happening in Argentina and Poland and in, and perhaps now in Ireland, and elsewhere.

Starting point is 01:45:08 My great hope is that while mistakes are going to be made, while there's going to be fumbles, while people are going to take the wrong step, the prescription will not always be right, that we find our way back to a world where we can all have pride in the best parts of our culture, and build a better future. There's a tendency and conservatism to be very pessimistic to think that all the best days are behind.

Starting point is 01:45:31 I don't think that the best days of the world are behind. I hope not because every day in the past had huge problems. I think that as an entrepreneur, our job is to find problems and solve them. As I said at the beginning, you don't do that by throwing out your tradition. You do it by taking everything that was great using that as a firm foundation and attacking problems in a way that incentivizes success. And so, you know, my time in Hungary has really helped to clarify for me what I think is a good pathway forward.

Starting point is 01:46:00 Again, not a complete recommendation of their political path, which I think in some ways is fraught, but so is our political path fraught. And so we have to find that better way forward. And one great way to do it that you're seeing happen down in Argentina is by actually bringing back economic incentive. And one of the great, every problem we've talked about today

Starting point is 01:46:23 is a place where we have divorced the success of a movement, the success of a philosophy, the success of a company from actual economic incentives, from actually having to serve the needs that actually exist in the marketplace. And that's a, it's not the only answer, but it's an incredible part of the answer. Well, you got to give a merely credit, the lay credit because even just for the short stint that people have been following them, he's also teaching people Spanish. Now everybody knows what our fueras means.

Starting point is 01:46:51 It means out. So, a fueras, you know, he's a legendary teacher from Argentina, now the leader and is up to a bunch of different crazy things. Jeremy, it's been great having you on Rob. Can we make sure we put the link again below for people to go watch Ladyballers. This is going to premiere this Friday, December 1st on daily wire plus you can watch it. Can you buy the movie or do you have to subscribe to watch the movie? How does that work? Subscribers only out of the gate. Okay, there you go. So subscribers

Starting point is 01:47:21 out of the gate put the link below all those subscribe, support the organization, Ladyballers and CEO of Daily Wire, Jeremy Bourne. Great, have a new one. This was great, fantastic. Yes, absolutely. Take care everybody, bye bye bye.

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