PBD Podcast - Jimmy Dore On The Russia-Ukraine Conflict | Ep. 237 | Part 1

Episode Date: February 18, 2023

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David and Jimmy Dore will discuss: Jimmy Dore meeting George Clooney  Why it's hard to be a comedian and talk about politics  Russia vs Ukraine conflict  If Trump is the only person to go against the establishment How to change the current government  FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on https://minnect.com/ Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/ Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

I know this life's been for me. Yeah, why would you plan on July when we got that day. The payment given values could take this world on your panoras. We can't no value that hate it. I don't want me look what I

become. I'm the one. We got the one and only Jimmy I'm the entrepreneur. Let's treat you with respect from the restaurant. We got the one and only Jimmy door in the house. If you don't know, American stand up comedian, big YouTuber, podcasts, very popular. Everybody's talking about it. I can't tell you how many people have said,

when are we getting Jimmy on the podcast? We finally did Jimmy. Thank you so much for coming out. It's great to have you on. It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me. Yes, and we learned today you like sushi. You like good sushi. Good sushi. Good sushi. Yeah. And this one sushi in

Studio City. If you say anything to the guy, he kicked you out. He kicked you out. It even says on the menu. If you read the back of the menu, it says, Hey, we don't do California rolls. We don't serve spicy mayo. We don't do this. We don't do that. We serve fish here. And you're going to like it. And the name of it, it's casu, K-A-Z-U. Yeah, so that's the place that our month would talk about. Coffee's place, he would take me. I'm like, what is this? Just go let them do their thing.

Whatever they bring, just enjoy the food, right? What was impressive is that you and George Clooney dine together all the time. That's like, yeah, and Shatner. So it's how that happened. Anyways, so do you want me to tell you story? I'll tell that story. So my friend, uh, Steve O was a big,

um, not the Steve O from Jack. I can't just drop a Steve O. No, it's not to go right there. Different. Different Korean friend of mine. And he was a big sushi guy and I wanted to get into sushi. Yeah, I liked it. And so he said the best place is this place by his house

in studio city. And so he said, uh, he goes, don't get freaked out people. There's not going to be a lot of people in there. He said, but the people who are in there, they know. And George Clooney will be there probably. I might get out of here. So I walk in. It's Friday night at eight o'clock.

I walk in and my friend is sitting at the sushi bar. And he's the only one. There's no one else in there. Eight o'clock on a Friday. I'm like, this place can't be good. So I sit down and there's five people at a tent. The only other people are five people in this table and one of them's George Clooney.

That's crazy. I was like, get out of here. So then we eat and then so I go to the bathroom and as I come out of the bathroom, George Clooney is like bowing to him, right? He's like saying, thanks for appropriation. So I do that. I've ever seen one. I do that now to him.

So how would we? So how would we? So how would we? So how would we, we bought it? So I, and he's like doing that and he's like saying something to him. So I like stop because I don't want to walk in between them. And I just like, I thought it'd be over real quick, but it they kept talking and I'm,

and now it looks like, now I look like an ass wipe. I'm standing there just because he's George Clooney, if it was anybody else I would just walk right through. So I'm like, you got to walk through now. You can't just stand there. You look like an idiot. So as I start to walk through and then I ducked my head. I don't know.

No. No. No. But you know what's crazy, if I can add to that, you know, George Clooney tells the exact same story. He's like, I go to this place. And the only person there is this guy, Jimmy Dore. I bow to him.

The whole deal. Here's a crazy, even crazier than that. So about a week ago, maybe two. My wife saved the Boston legal is on Hulu now. And so that's my all time favorite show is Boston Legal. I never liked any of those people in acting until they were on that show. And I love them, right?

Especially William Shatner. And so I'm sitting there, again, mismean my friend Rick Overton having sushi, only people in the place, in walks William Shatner. And so I'm sitting there again, misme and my friend Rick Overtin having sushi, only people in the place in walks William Shatner by himself sits down at the sushi. So my wife had saved this episode and it was about how him and his name is Danny Crane on the show and Alan Shor is the other guy I can't think of his real name, but they're having, they have these conversations at the end of every episode where they smoke a cigar and they have they're having, they have these conversations at the end of every episode where they smoke a cigar and they have a scotch and they have these heart to hearts.

And so they were talking about, he said, the one guy said, my father never approved me. And he said, there's something, there's something, there's nothing more horrible than a father's not approving of his son. And then Danny Crane will in chat and her says, oh, my father always approved me, right? But we know as an audience that his father disowned him, right? So then he finally just snaps and goes, my father disowned me. And Alan Shore looks at him and says, Danny, I'm proud of you.

And he says, what are you proud of? And he says, I just am, I always am proud of you. And my wife saw that and she knew I would want to see it because it really was emotional for me. And I couldn't, it was really a big deal for me and so that I'm sitting there the next day William Shatter walks in sits there and I'm just like what a hell is crazy? Who said and so so that was a big deal and we talked and he told me he got So he every time you would eat a piece of fish. He would look at me goes. This is amazing and I go

Yeah, this is the best. This is the best fish. So how was the California roll, though? And did Bill Shatter say he's proud of you? Yeah, and by the way, it's kind of like, and that's our sponsor today is the sushi spy. It can't get a better sponsorship than this. FY, why did you like the clip? Because you, that was a cap, right?

Did you have a good relationship with them? No, my dad had two emotions, angry and not angry yet. And he was, he was what they call my dad. I come from a long line alcoholics. My dad wasn't a drinker. He was with, he's what they call a dry drunk, right? So he still had all the anger and rage of an alcoholic, but we never got to enjoy any of the fun drunk times. Yeah. So, but you know, my dad worked two and three jobs his whole life. He put us to Catholic school. And so he was a good father in lots of ways,

you know, but you know, he's just emotionally like most men, you know, he wasn't available. And he wasn't really approving, you know, very much. I remember when the first time he saw me do stand up was in Las Vegas. And I was at the MGM Grand, and it was a beautiful room, and I had a great show. And afterwards I go, dead, and they wouldn't, my parents weren't saying anything.

And we're standing outside the bathroom, we're in for my little sister, I got out of the bathroom, my parents weren't saying anything. And I go, mom, what did you think of the show? She goes, what did you think? I go, I thought it went good. She goes, then it went good. Let's eat.

Oh, that's hilarious. And I was like, holy shit. So then later that night, later that night, I said to my dad, I go, dad, what did you think of the show? He goes, the language. You don't even use it, right? And I was like, Jesus Christ.

I didn't know what I was just like. So that was, yeah. So it was crushing in a way, right? And then I had to forbid my parents from coming to my school. That's right. It's the last time you ever come. But was that, was that do, was your comedy

due to the life that was very intense? Was it your way of coping with stuff? Or no, you were just funny always. I think it was, yeah, I was the youngest. I come from 12 kids, right? So my, it's a long story, but I was the youngest boy. And then when I was it was, yeah, I was the youngest. I come from 12 kids, right? So it's a long story, but I was the youngest boy, and then when I was in school, my mom got lonely, because all her kids are at school all day,

so she went and adopted two more kids. I'm not kidding. Did you say 12 kids? So we had 10 kids and then my mom adopted two more. What a shred of work. Yeah, and I, Bakers doesn't family going on. It worked out.

I had one older brother. I wasn't thrilled that she adopted someone older than me. I could kick my ass. And that, because I had enough of that already, right? I was the youngest. Yeah, but then I got a little sister out, which she adopted a little sister. So that was fun.

I guess I have a little sister. You got to beat her up a little bit. Yeah, but then I had to go, right, go, Jim. And then she has triplets, which are great. So anyway, it's, it's, it's, um, so growing up, I did talk about in my standup.

I know my parents didn't like because I talked about getting to hit as a kid, right? And they don't like that. I, they didn't like, they didn't like hearing that. But I did, we, my parents, they saw hit us for discipline, which, and now as a grown up, it's always, well, what I say in my act is it's always horrible when someone hits their kid in front of me. I never know when you're supposed to step in. You know, one time I was in an airline terminal, this lady's hitting her kid. He's like five years old. She's wailing on him, and finally go, Hey, why don't you cut it out? You're creeping everybody out. And she goes, no, you got to hit him, make some good people. And I was like, wow, how many punches would it take to

make you a decent dude? Turns out 80. Yeah. Exactly. And teach your lesson, Jack. Teacher, just really nice now. By the way, just because we've been talking about this a lot, have you ever seen a movie The Judge? Because if father son, you've never seen a movie The Judge. You got to kill him. What is the movie? I get a whole new assignment.

I mean, you just got yourself over here. If you like that scene from the movie, you were talking about, you're going to love the judge. It's all over. Robert Donney Jr. Yeah, in the ball. Yeah, if you like a complicated father-son relationship, this is the ultimate book for movie for.

Remember the great Santini? You ever see that movie? No. Oh, that's the one I got to watch. Challenge told you to watch this so you could cry. So that's the one I got to do. What was that all about? That's father, son, yeah.

It meant they played basketball. It's, um, it's also the ball. Yes, it's a young devil. Yes. Okay, cool. I got to check it out. I'm telling that's a 1979. That's the first one he said, yes, when you said that,

you're after you and I were born. Yeah. Yeah. It's five years before you were born. There's true. I'm still turning 40. There's five years before you were born. That's true. I'm still turning 40. There's some pretty heavy things in that. So Jimmy, so comedy politics, okay.

Comedy politics. When I sit there and I watch George Carlin, I'm fascinated by the guy. How he would sit there and take complicated and you just poke everybody, troll make you feel uncomfortable, laugh and think all at the same time, right? If you guys can do it, some don't want to touch it, some don't want to get close to it

because like, like, I do anything but politics. I don't want to touch it because of all this stuff. What's the risk of a comedian talking politics? Well, you could lose your audience. I was told not to talk about politics, right? So when, um, after the Iraq war, um, I started to turn more political in my comedy. Which year? The first one or the second one? Second one.

Okay, got you. This is O4. And then I got asked to do a show at the UCB theater opened up. And in Los Angeles, and they asked me if I wanted to do a show. So I didn't know what to do besides stand up, right? So I had hurt my back and I was watching a lot of news and I was just like, well, I'll just use video clips and talk about how crazy the news is and how bad it is because the news is horrible, right?

And so that's when I started to become more political and everybody told my manager, my everybody, the club owners, they go, don't talk politics. You mean, don't talk politics, you don't want to split your audience, right? Well, I didn't listen to him and I just kept doing it anyway. And I got it our special out of it. And in 2008, it was called Citizen Jimmy and it was chosen best of the year by iTunes and punch like that because I proved all those motherfuckers wrong.

Good. There you go. And then it went on, then I got hired by the young Turks because they saw my special and they were looking for a fill in host and so then I I Worked there for about 10 years and that's all politics. You were with young Turks for 10 years Yeah, about 10 years. Okay, and what you were there when Rubin was also there. I'm yeah, yeah, that's how I met Dave Rubin Got it. And yeah, what did you do with young Turks? Was it with Jank and those guys? Or was it your own show? No, I was always on the main show a lot and except after Trump got elected, they stopped having me on and because they all became, you know, Trump deranged and I kept telling them

you can't have four Hillary voters on a news panel and call yourself an alternative new show. You're not alternative to anything. You're MSNBC and so anyway, so that I had my own show but they put it behind a paywall. And after, anyway, so I left after they kept getting Trump to range. And after the Mueller report came out, I thought everybody would go back to normal because the Mueller report said there's no collusion

and it was all revealed. This was a big sia by the Goddamn CIA and Democratic Party and all blah, blah, blah. And they didn't. They didn't stop. And they just jumped on another horse and kept going. And I was just like, I blah, blah, blah. And they didn't. They didn't stop and they just jumped on another horse and kept going and I was just like, I gotta get out of here. So I left and then it all went to shit

because they're executive producer. When I did force the vote, I don't know if you guys ever heard about that. So when the squad got elected, AOC and those people, they all got elected and we're gonna oppose the establishment of the Democratic Party. We're gonna oppose Nancy Pelosi. We're gonna be the progressives, you know?

And so I was like, okay, so they won. And then it was such a small margin that the Democrats held just like, not with their Republicans. And so to vote for the speaker, just like they just did this time from McCarthy, we wanted them to withhold their vote, to extract something. And what we wanted in the middle of a deadly pandemic, as they said, well, we want to vote

on Medicare for all because everybody on the quote unquote left had agreed for over a generation that getting a vote on Medicare for all in the House floor was a big deal and we should achieve it. Even in the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America, in their handbook in 2019, it said the biggest thing we could do is get a vote on Medicare for all. And so I came up with the idea, hey, it's like eight votes or something. It was very low. And I said, so if you withhold your vote for Nancy Pelosi of speakers,

she can't become speaker. And what you should demand is a vote for Medicare for all, because AOC had said that as she was campaigning. can't become speaker. And what you should demand is a vote for Medicare for all because AOC had said that as she was campaigning. She said, we can't even get a vote for Medicare for all on the House floor. We can't even get a vote. That's horrible. And then she said the Democratic Party is a conservative party. It's a center right party. Those are words. That's verbatim from AOC. So we're like, okay, so now we're going to oppose. We're going to bring the Democratic Party back to the left. We have leverage just like the Republicans just had with McCarty.

Matt Gates and those guys, they had leverage. And they got a lot of stuff. They did. And they, yeah, I mean, they brought McCarty to his knees. 15, yeah, that's insane. Right. And so then, and so what we wanted them to do that, they wouldn't do it. And they kept making up all these excuses where they wouldn't do it. Now's not the time. This and then they got a lot of people in the media like the young

Turks to bullshit for them. And guys like Ryan Graham at the Intercept and they would they want to ran interference and tried the money to the water. It's a very simple morality play. And they try to make it complicated like it was hard to to do. And so we were vindicated because Matt gets in the right wing, just did the exact same thing to McCarthy. And people were lying, by the way. So when I said they should do, they would go,

no, if we do that, Kevin McCarthy will become speaker, which is a lie that they can't happen. And we should, Kevin McCarthy couldn't become speaker when the Republicans had the house. So that was a big deal. That was forced to vote.

And I've been vindicated I mean the people who supported it lots of people supported it wasn't just me it was guys like Cornell West guys like Chris Hedges Bernie Sanders for a press secretary we're on a joy-gray Medea Benjamin there's a Murray and Williamson there's a lot of people that were on board for this and I would say about half the people who were Bernie Sanders supporters maybe all of them they didn't do it they exposed. And now they're just go along playalongs. And there's no reason to vote for Democrats at all today. Today, you believe them. Yes. I tell people that if you have any morality, you will not vote for one of these two pro-war

anti-worker parties. You will vote for a third party. And people say, well, Jimmy, if you do, you know, third parties are not viable. And so what they're really saying is you can't vote for a third party until a lot of people are already voting for a third party. Well, how do you get started? You have to start voting for a third party. And that's my, and so we got it stopped donating to them. We have to take, you know, there's only one party in America with very, very little

differences. You know that, right? Well, your point is what? What the people who are behind it with the money that they're given, so they have to kind of please the same people. And now years ago, you know, Obama and Clintons, you know, were bought by Wall Street

and then on the right, is that kind of, okay. You got it. You got it. You got it. Yeah. In 2020, let's do this. Let's do this. So I want to go into these topics.

I'm going to talk to you about Trump, the comments you made, if the Trump, you know, the folks who had a hard time dealing with Trump, are they over it? Are people ready for him to come back? Is it the Santas? Is it a Tulsi Gabbard? I know you're a big Tulsi fan. And then I want to also talk about some other issues that's going on with Bernie, Bernie commented something on teachers, minimum wage going to $60,000 for teachers.

I have some thoughts on that. I want to react to a video I saw about John Kirby being pushed on questions. I don't know if you saw this or not. I think you'll appreciate this. He's being challenged pretty hardcore on NATO and what NATO is doing. And the response that before we do that,

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You know media right and their challenge was 26 and they won't bring bring you a lot because of Trump Do you think America is still dealing with that or do you think Trump has an opening to make a comeback? Or does everybody kind of say, if anybody from the opposite side does become a president, it's got to be anyone but Trump, which means the centisers who we're okay with. Yeah, I mean, I'm not good at predicting stuff like that, but I do feel like there are a lot of the Republicans that did support Trump are kind of ready to move on. That's my sense.

I could be wrong. Who knows? When maybe he goes out and gives a couple of speeches and people get riled up again, and it all happens again. But people saw him as an anti-establishment, and he's a billionaire, which is kind of wild. And, but, you know, people, the reason why I try to tell people, why do you think the establishment hated Trump so much?

It's because they couldn't control him as much as they can control other people. And he was compared to Joe Biden and Barack Obama. He was an anti-interventionist compared to those guys, right? And he did campaign on ending the wars and stuff like that. And he wasn't as bad as what's going on right now. What's going on right now is what we were told Trump was going to do. Saber Rattle with nuclear powers. And he's a madman and he can't have his thing. Well, that's what they're doing

right now, right? And so in 2016, when they cheated Bernie Sanders is when I stopped being a Democrat. And then Bernie Sanders didn't make them pay a price for it. He didn't make him reform. He didn't make him stop cheating progressives, he didn't make him stop taking corporate money, he didn't use his leverage one bit, he didn't ask his followers to get in the streets and protest or do anything, and he never will. Because Bernie Sanders, although he espouses all the right things, doesn't have a backbone or a spine,

and he's there, it's kind of obvious. Now, if you're not, look, he's there to make sure all the revolutionary energy and the progressive energy that is on the left gets funneled back into a pro-war anti-worker pro-walsh street party. And that's all he's doing. And there's a politician who I'm fond of, Shama Swanton, Seattle. And she says that the road for progressives inside the Democratic Party leads to a graveyard. And it's exactly right. I mean, Joe Biden campaigned on $15 minimum wage. He's not doing it.

He campaigned on giving people health care through the public option. They're not, they don't even bring up health care. They don't do anything. In the middle of a deadly pandemic, this country is so corrupted, they won't give people health care in the middle of a pandemic. But they will sell to send $100 billion to the most corrupt country in Europe, Ukraine. And without any oversight to how that money's being spent, there were those weapons. I would, I say when I go on stage in, I'll say, I go, I don't care if they send $100

billion to Ukraine, I just wish they'd send $100 billion to the United States. How about we send a couple billion dollars to LA, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, Minnesota, and then we can maybe fix homelessness because it, because a hundred billion dollars could end homelessness about five. It's unbelievable. People have no idea how much, a hundred billion dollars is, or the fact that, you know, they said Trump was a madman and they increased his military budget, a hundred and thirty two billion dollars while he was president.

Well, if he's a madman, why are you giving him more money to go do warrants? Well, it's not about him being a madman. It's about the military industrial complex has a stranglehold on our government and that's exactly what's happening. I want you to watch this. I made everybody in the progressive, every one of the squat, they voted for that war in Ukraine.

They're supposed, and the only people standing up against it are other people on the right. So things are flips now. So very weird, very weird. And by the way, if there's one thing that's been constant about Trump, he's been anti-war for a long time. He didn't buy like a two-page center, you know, ad on USA Today or New York Times, it was to talk

about Bush's war and how, you know, you know, how they were so upset. How could you do it? You're a Republican. No, he's a Democrat. No, he's a this. What's happening today, which know, you know, how they were so upset. How could you do it? You're a Republican. No, he's a Democrat. No, he's a this. What's happening today, which is kind of weird, is the following.

I don't get your thoughts on this. And I wanted you to watch this. What John Kirby just went through is, I wonder if Democrats are kind of sitting there saying, dude, I don't know if I'm a Democrat. Like, I don't, like, I am a Democrat. I'm a registered Democrat. I've always voted Democrat, but dude, I'm not for that. And I'm not Democrat. Like, I don't, like, I am a Democrat. I'm a registered Democrat. I've always voted Democrat, but dude, I'm not for that.

And I'm not for this. And I'm not for that. Where, you know, the Republican Party for a lot of people is like, I will never be a Republican. Are you kidding me? To associate with these war maw-girlies? And you're like, so who do I vote for today? So you're talking independent libertarian.

Then a conversation comes about who can actually win today? Who can get the job done today? Who do I trust today? The more and more you're listening to different people's views, I wonder if the voters kind of confuse saying, dude, I don't know what to do. What do I do next? The only difference between a Democrat and Republican

as Ralph Nader said is the speed at which their knee hits the floor when a donor walks in the room. And so it doesn't matter who's president. Barack Obama was not a departure from George Bush. He was a continuation of George Bush. He took us from two wars to seven wars. He kicked 5.1 million families out of their homes while he made sure the bankers didn't miss their bonuses.

He deported twice as many Hispanics as Donald Trump. He built those cages that put those people and he dropped 26,000 bombs in thick. Air Force ran out of bombs. That's a fact. They ran out of bombs. He dropped so many bombs. He did a drone war, a drone program that killed 90% innocent people. You know, if somebody walks into a mall and shoots 15 people down with this gun, that's the biggest thing. Oh my God, Barack Obama was doing that on a daily basis, killing women and children with his drone war. And he got a Nobel Peace Prize.

He got a Nobel Peace Prize. He didn't even do anything. That's how, and so it's a, it's a uniparty. It's the, and so when Trump got in office and he mentioned that there's a deep state, they're like, you can't say that. You're what are you doing?

And when he said, hey, when they asked him, why are you living your troops in Syria? And he said, for the oil, you get my good, I'm good. Because no, it's for the oil, no, it's asked him, why are you living in your troops in Syria? And he said, for the oil, they're like, you get my goods, but yeah. Because no, it's for the oil. No, it's for liberty. It's for helping the people.

No, it's for the oil, it's all oil. And so he let the cat out of the bag and they can't have that. That's what he blew the whistle on what's actually going on. Our wars are for oil. Our wars are economic wars, just like what's happening in Ukraine. This is an economic war we're trying to put a herd and isolate Russia.

We are afraid of Russia and their natural resources and their manpower coming together with Germany with their technology and their capital. And we've been saying that for decades. And so that's why we blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. And that's why this Ukraine war is happening. And people have no idea what's happening and what's worse is they have no idea

that they have no idea what's happening. That's the crazy part part can you play this clip you're it's so intran when you watch this the guy that's asking a questions is so common poised and he gets rattled watch this to look at this and say the reason that the Russian army is on the other Russian army is that NATO's doorstep is because NATO has expanded rather than the Russians

expanding. In other words, NATO has moved closer to Russia rather than Russia moving closer to NATO. Is that not an accurate way to look at this? I think that's the way President Putin probably looks at it. And certainly not the way that we look at it. You don't think that NATO has expanded eastward toward Russia? NATO has expanded. And the expansion has been a good thing for them. So the reason that the Russian Army is at NATO's doorstep is not the fault of the Russian

army, it's not the Russian army that's done. It's NATO has moved closer to refugees. I'm sure it wasn't NATO who was ordering upwards of 15 battalion tactical groups to within 10 kilometers of the border with Ukraine. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't NATO who put little green men inside Ukraine to destabilize Eastern states. But he sure that Ukraine is not a member of NATO. So that's true.

It's not. It's not. But I'm pretty sure the movement by Russia is much more. If NATO is moved east, the reason that the Russian army is closer or on NATO's doorstep is because NATO moved. NATO is not an anti-Russia alliance. NATO is a security alliance. Watch this, watch. For 50 years it was an anti-Rot Soviet alliance.

So if you don't understand how, can you not even see how the Russians would perceive it as a threat. And the fact that it keeps getting closer to their border while their troops, I mean, the places where their troops are, you say their troops are, and may have been in Ukraine and Georgia, are not made of them. I don't have, I'm not going to pretend to know what goes in President Putin's mind or Russian military commanders. I mean, I barely got a history degree at the University of South Florida.

Well, I can tell you, the drill is that NATO is a defensive alliance. It remains a defensive alliance. But it is moved east. Correct? I mean, that's just a fact. It is expanded. Yes, absolutely. But there's no reason for anybody to think the expansion

is a hostile effect. We've been saying that throughout the last 15 years, Matt. You're moving closer to Russia. You're blaming the Russians for being close to NATO. No, no, no, no. That's exactly what he was saying. We're blaming the russians for being close to native that's exactly what he was planning the russians for violating the territorial integrity of the crane and destabilizing the security which is not a

native which is not a native i see other countries still threatened nothing is be happier than when we actually see a really good reporter that has the balls to do stuff like that and is in silence because they're scared about losing their job that's a my love things like that by the balls to do stuff like that and is in silence because they're scared about losing their job. That's, I love things like that.

That's a guy named Matli, that journalist, guy named Matli. What are your thoughts when you see that? Well, it's obvious that they don't want you to know the real history. They don't want you to know that when Germany was allowed to reunify the promise from NATO to Russia was that we won't expand NATO. And then of course it did. I think there's 13 or something more countries that they put into NATO.

And now they wanted to put Ukraine into NATO or threaten to do that. That would be like if Russia got into a military alliance with Mexico and they wanted to start putting military bases in Mexico. We wouldn't allow that. We wouldn't allow it. And just like what happened in Cuba with the missile crisis in the 60s, we wouldn't

allow stuff like that. But we're doing that and people don't, they don't want you to know that this NATO is not a defensive, it is offensive, this is a, this is a war that was started and provoked by NATO and the West. Zelensky ran on peace. He brought on bringing the country back together, right? The Russian speakers in the east, the Donbass, but he didn't do it. So why?

Because he got threatened by NATO and the ultra-right, the Nazis in Ukraine. And so they threatened to kill. He knows he's a dead man if he does a peace deal with Russia. So that's why he won't. And when they had a peace deal in March, and that's when Boris Johnson from the UK flew there and said, hey, you better, you don't do this. And he killed the peace deal in March. And that's when Boris Johnson from the UK flew there and said, hey, you better, you don't do this. And he killed the peace deal.

So Russia is the one that wants peace in this deal. And Ukraine and NATO do not. They want to bleed Russia economically. And that's why they blew up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. And they've allegedly, yeah, they've always said they were going to do it and they did it. And I don't, for the life of me, I can't get why the European nations are going along with this. They've said stuff like there was the foreign minister of Germany said, I don't care about my people.

If they don't want this, I care about the people of Ukraine. What, what leader of a country says they don't care about their own people, but they care more about somebody else's country. It's crazy. What's going on. So people don't realize that NATO has provoked this. In fact, there was a peace agreement in 2014. The CIA helped overthrow the Ukraine government, and then the people in the Donbass didn't want to go along with this couped government, right? Because the leader of Ukraine wanted to be friendly or economically with Russia instead

of joining like the European Union. And that they couldn't have that, right? So that's why they did a coup and the people that eat Russian speakers and the Donbass didn't want to go along with that coup. And so they kind of wanted to break away. Ukraine government started shelling the Donbass. And so they had a peace agreement called the Mint's Agreements. And that was supposed to give them independence. They were supposed to have their own elections, and they were going to stop shelling them. They never did. They ended up killing like 14 or 15,000 people in the Donbass over the last eight years. And now it's been revealed that that peace agreement was never real.

The, a, a, a Merkel, the former Prime Minister of Germany just admitted that the only reason they did that peace agreement was to give Ukraine enough time to build up its military so when they finally did provoke an invasion, which is what they did, that they would have a military ready to fight Russia. And so people don't know this is what happened. And so they just think that one day Putin woke up and said, I want to go invade Ukraine because I'm a maniac. And they think that he's the bad guy.

They think that he's acting rationally. He's acting we always knew. He would do this. In fact, we were counting on him doing this. That's why we did what we did and they don't know that Ukraine ramped up their bombing right before the war started last year. They doubled their bombing. They were really trying to provoke it and they did and they got it. They provoked it and the Russia would rather have a peace agreement. At the rest of the world would rather have a peace agreement, not NATO, not Joe Biden, not the military industrial complex. And so that's where we are. And people don't know that. And that's what that is.

That guy's saying, hey, NATO's the one's expanding. The reason why he said it, the reason why that NATO's army is on the doorstep of Russia is because we moved, not Russia. And it's just obvious that we're the bad guys. The United States are the world's terrorists.

We have a thousand military, but you know, we have 400 military bases surrounding China since the Korean War. We just added three new military bases in the Philippines, they just announced two weeks ago. This is how all empires end. We're ending, we're overextending militarily while we have people living under every bridge.

People don't have healthcare, a living wage, half the country can't afford a $500 emergency, 80% of workers with paycheck to paycheck, 50% of wage earners earn $30,000 or less. People go bankrupt when they get sick in this country. We have homeless people everywhere and that's because our government is 100% corrupted. It's the people think that's corrupted like, oh Joe Biden gave his kid a no-show job in a Ukraine energy board or Donald Trump gave his kid a deal with the South. No, no, no, that's corrupted like oh Joe Biden gave his kid a no-show job in a Ukraine energy border Donald Trump gave his kid a deal with the South no no no that's regular corruption

I'm talking about 100% everything the government does it only doesn't because of corruption And that's the only way the wheels get greased is through corruption That's why we can send a hundred billion dollars to Ukraine without any oversight And we still won't send it to our own cities to fix our homelessness or our bridges that those homeless people are living under. We won't even fix our own goddamn country. So people don't realize that this is pretty much a banana republic where we're at the end. This is the end of this empire. We're basically Brazil with a couple of big cities that are keeping it afloat. You think so? Yeah. You believe that? Yes. Yeah.

Well, when one, when one half the country can't afford a $500 more, this is what I like to say. What do you call a system that takes the richest country the face of the earth has ever seen and renders half of this population poor low income? You call that a failed system. And that's when we're living and people think we're gonna be able to vote our way out of this.

What we have to do is get people in the streets. So when someone like AOC has 13 million Twitter followers and Bernie Sanders has, there's a post to tell people to get in the street, shut stuff down, protest and take our government back, but they won't because they're part of the system. And that's what I'm trying to wake people up. It's worse off having people like Bernie Sanders and AOC in the Democratic Party in government, even though Bernie claims he's independent, he's a Democrat. Why is it worse? Because it gives people the false impression that there's somebody actually fighting for

you in government. And there isn't. And the only way you can have change, you get people into the streets is when they lose faith in the system, and we have to get them, we have to disabuse them of the idea that there is somebody fighting for them in this system and there isn't. So, I was going to ask you what's the solution. You just said the solution is to get people to lose faith in the system for a part of it.

And get industries to lose faith in the system. Okay, so let's just say, let's play that. Let's say that happens. Okay. Let's say somehow somewhere AOC and Bernie Sanders listen to this and they have a change of heart. And they say, Jimmy, you're right. And they tweet out on Twitter today and they say Jimmy's right. Okay. Let's take it on the streets and let's go everywhere and let's protest against this. Fantastic.

Then what? That's how things change. That's how we got civil rights. That's how women got the right. What should change? So, so what we get money out of politics is the first thing We got to get money out of politics and so it's the honey we we I I would recommend Public financing of our elections and we shorten our election season all there's a million things you could do that way But definitely get money out of politics. You want to have election campaign finance reform right that's number one on your list That'll never change that would be so that's what I mean until we shut stuff down I mean the truck we shut stuff down. I mean, the truckers showed that you could bring them to your neat, their needs.

And Canada. Yeah. And so, and, you know, of course, people in the United States, they listened to the corporate media. They called those people Nazis when they're actually freedom fighters and they were right. They weren't fighting against medicine. The truckers were vaccinated at a higher rate than the general population in Canada. They were fighting against authoritarianism and they were right. against medicine, the truckers were vaccinated at a higher rate than the general population in Canada.

They were fighting against authoritarianism and they were right. And America look at those truckers and they call them Nazis and they look at Nazis in Ukraine and they call them freedom fighters. That's how messed up our corporate media is. Jimmy, so let's go with that. I'll tell you one more thing. I want you to keep going though. Keep giving me more sight.

That was a very good point, but keep going. So what happened in Staten Island at the Amazon warehouse, Christian Smalls is a black guy who got fired and then he decided to organize a union and he organized along class lines. So a lot of people on the left in the Democratic Party said we have to organize along class lines. They don't mean it

because what organizing along class lines means is you're gonna organize with Trumpers. You're gonna organize with, because you're in the same class and that's exactly what Christian Smalls did on Staten Island. You know Staten Island is a bunch of Trump voters, and so he went and organized those people because they have a common interest.

And they have a common enemy and that is the establishment and the oligarchy and you put down your differences politically and you join together on a class basis, and that's how you make change. And so we need more of that. We need more people coming together, and less the left and the right realize that we do have common interests, which we do. We all want to stop the war machine.

We all want to stop this authoritarianism around COVID. We all want to stop a lot of things, right? So if we could come together and realize we're being screwed because our government is 100% corrupt, then maybe we could get something done. You know, I had a Boogelloo boy on my show. Now, a lot of people can flate Boogelloo boys with proud boys, but they're not. Boogelloo boys are a response to the proud boys. Boogelloo boys were pro LGBTQ.

They were pro black lives matter. They're anti-war. They were anti black lives matter, they're anti-war, they were anti-Trump and they were anti cop. So I'm like, oh my God, we agree on a lot of things. I didn't know that. Well, they can't, so the establishment, the Democratic Party, they did a smear campaign against me. They still do it to this day just because I interviewed a Boogeyloo boy on my show.

I didn't hire him. I didn't go, we just had an interview, just like you're interviewing me. That doesn't mean you're validating what I'm saying. You're just interviewing me. Same thing. So that's how, and that is the thing that scares them. If the left and the right organize on class lines,

that is the thing that we're really scared of. We're doing an anti-war rally on the 19th, this Sunday at the Lincoln Memorial in and Washington DC and we got people from the left. We got people from the right. We got people from the center. We got all kinds of people to oppose war. That's what gives it its power.

If it was just a bunch of progressive lefties, it wouldn't have any power. But the fact that there's Ron Paul is going to be there. He's going to be speaking. So that's a big deal. And Tulsi Gabbard is going to be there. And you're getting Ron Paul out of Houston? Yeah, he never he never leaves Texas. This is a big deal that he's going to be. So anyway, that's we have to do more things like that. That's the only way to take back our government is to get in the street, shut stuff down. And then you know,

in France, they have eight, they have their, they're going to try to raise their retirement age from 61 to 63. You know, they're raising it in the United States of 1967. They, they already have mal, a Medicare for all. They already have dental. They have retirement social security and they still get in the streets and shut shit down all the time. And I don't know if you've ever been, uh, when Italy, it was like, oh, the trains aren't gonna be running today.

There's gonna be a strike. They do it all the time. It's wearing back Mussolini in the rest of the world, the left is connected to the working class except in the United States. The Democratic Party is a bunch of their core constituency are suburban white people. They admitted it. Chuck Schumer said they go, Hey, when Hillary was running against Donald Trump, they're saying, Hey, Donald Trump's picking up blue collar voters. And he said, doesn't matter for every blue collar voter we lose, we're going to pick up Trump's picking up blue collar voters. And he said, doesn't matter for every blue collar voter we lose.

We're going to pick up two or three white collar suburban voters. And you can repeat that. And I owe and was got he said that I have, I played on my show all the time. Of course, he was wrong. He they lost. And so they don't care about the blue collar voters. They don't care about the workers. That's not their constituents.

I used to be there. I'm on that's why there's nobody representing them anymore. That's why that's what gave Donald Trump his power because he spoke to those people. Jimmy, who's anti establishment today on the left or the right? Who's anti establishment today? Left, right, middle libertarian. Who are some of the names? Ron Paul being one of them. Who else would you say? I don't have any faith in any of the politicians right now. There's a woman in Seattle, Shama, so on. Uh, she had to fight the Democratic mayor and the Democratic City Council to get a $15 minimum wage. She has to fight the Democrats to get stuff.

The Democrats and the Republicans serve the same people. They have the same neoliberal corporate interests. And so I don't, I don't know anybody in politics that I would really, uh, go. Okay. I used to like Rokana. I used to like AOC. I used to like all those Bernie Sanders, but none of them will stand up for what they claim to stand for and they all roll over for

the establishment. They all voted for war. But Jimmy, okay, so let's say not politics, who outside of politics? Because you need some of the guys that are from the outside to get in the inside. I like people like Chris Hedges, I like Bill Dennis Kuciniches out of politics, right? So he was, they jerrymandered him out, right? The Democrats are like, F you, you're, you're too much of a progressive and they get rid of them and then he's done. So, I don't, I like people like Chris hedges, I like people like Dennis Kucinich. I loved the way Tulsi stood up against the war machine in Syria.

Unfortunately, she's still for the drone program, but so what? She's better than everybody else on what it comes to Syria. And that's why they, people will realize why they hated Tulsi so much is because she stepped down from the being the vice chair of the Democratic National Committee to endorse Bernie Sanders. And I ask some names and here's what I want you to do. Okay, from zero to 100, give a score. Okay, give a score of where they're at. 100 being full blown establishment, zero being anti-establish score. Okay. Give a score of where they're at 100 being full blown establishment

zero being anti establishment. Okay. Fair. Ron Paul. You know, I don't know. All I know is how much I love the way he talks about. I do too. Just give a number. What do you think? Nobody's going to fact check you. I would say I don't know. 67. Okay. Talsy. Maybe 50. I don't know. 67. Okay, Tulsi Gabbard. Maybe 50, I don't know. Tulsi Gabbard. I can't, I don't really like this. I tell you why I'm asking this question. I'm really curious about, if you don't mind, so what do you think Tulsi is? Zero to 100. You know, I would say 50.

Okay. What would you say Nusomis? Oh, 100. McConnell. 100. McConnell. 100. McCarthy. 100. Or McCarthy's on Matt Gaetz. I don't know, 70.

Okay, interesting. That's why I'm asking a question, AOC. But, I mean, Matt Gaetz stood up against worries. I agree with you. He's putting in an anti-pro legislation to stop the funding of the Ukraine board. And by the way, the case against them was dropped yesterday. I don't know if you saw that one.

Okay, how about AOC? Oh, I, 100. Okay, how about AOC? 100. Okay, Bernie. 100. Well, Bernie's actions are 100. Okay, Trump. Well, he went, you know, he's like I said, he wasn't an imperialist as much as other people were.

He was, but he wasn't as much. He did talk about the deep state, but he didn't do anything he said he was going to do. He said he was going to bring everybody jobs and he was going to give everybody health care. And he didn't do any of those things, but he did give people, he did give millionaires and a trillion dollar tax cut, just like everybody. And so why did they hate him? They hate him because he wants to know why I would tell the truth that you're not allowed

to tell. Like there's a deep state, a permanent state that actually runs things. There's a Chuck Schumer also also said that about Donald Trump when Donald Trump was telling people that the CIA and the FBI, there is a deep state and they're the ones pulling the strings out of the stuff. Chuck Schumer said that's really foolish of him to do that because if you go against the CIA, they got six ways to send it, get back at you. Now that's the leader of the Democratic Party in the Senate saying that this president

of the United States should be afraid of the CIA. He sent it on fucking camera and nobody was like Trump's crazy. What? No. Chuck Schumer just told you who runs the God damn country and the president better watch his ass. He better not cross the CIA. That's what the leader of the Democratic Party said.

Who by the way, he's not a leader. He's a puppet of Wall Street. How does a guy like Chuck Schumer, who I know you wouldn't even ask directions of the fucking freeway from, I wouldn't either. These guys, how does he get to be a leader? Because he's the biggest, him and Mitch McConnell, right? They get, they get, they're the biggest marks.

Wall Street, military industrial complex, health insurance, big farmer, they give them all the money because they're the most corrupted and then they take that money and they give it to their colleagues and so they can go get reelected and then they have to vote for them as leader not because they're leaders but because of the most corrupted pieces of shit in congress and that's why the countries like the way it is right now because we're run a hundred percent by corruption okay so, so Trump's wrote 100. I guess I would, 85.

Okay, so go to Nikki Haley. I don't know Nikki Haley. Let's just keep going. But I didn't see Don Lemon. Yeah, and I was not good. How about the Santas? The Santas. The Santas was better on COVID than other people.

So I would say 95. Okay, so you give Trump, Lord, and the Santas was was better on COVID than other people. So I would say 95. Okay. So you give Trump, Lord and the Santas interesting. So how about Michelle Obama? 100 Hillary Clinton. 100. Okay. So now let's let's do something.

Let's I'm going to I'm going to ask you a question. Let's stay on this topic here. So if if out of everybody you said it's interesting, you identify yourself as a, you would, would you say you're a progressive Oh again, I don't want to put words in your mouth. What would you say you are yourself politically? I would say I'm politically homeless But I I call I used to call myself a progressive I don't do that anymore because Hillary Clinton start calling herself a progressive so I can't be that

So I just call myself a lefty, an old style lefty. Old style lefty. Yeah, I'm for Liam Roller. You're not John F. Kennedy lefty, right? Wow. Well, I mean, see, I killed him, right? I mean, I don't know what that means. I mean, I'm an RFK lefty, I know that.

Okay. So yeah, I mean, I'm anti-imperialism, I'm anti-war machine, I'm pro-worker, I'm pro-medicare for all, I'm free speech, apps, you know, I mean, I'm anti-imperialism, I'm anti-war machine, I'm pro-worker, I'm pro-medicare for all, I'm free speech, I'm, you know, people say, oh, is it an absolute? Yeah, yeah, that's why we have a first amendment. And the answer to bad speech is board speech, not censorship as we're looing through the Twitter file.

Yeah, so for me, you know what I think about? I think, you know. They know people are gonna clip this and say, look, Jimmy Doris says, dissantists, of course I'm gonna do that. Jimmy Dor Dorses Trump is anti-establishment. I'm not saying that. I'm saying they are the establishment. They're still going to do it by the way, just so you know, they're still going to clip this. I know. So you know that. But here's a, here's a question for you. So you think the right person for the job is

ever somebody you fully like? No. Okay, so you think the right person for the job, you have to like 100% of everything they do and you have to agree 100% with what they agree with? No. Okay, so could the person, that's the right person, what are the qualities of the right person for this job? So purely not policies but qualities.

What are the right qualities of somebody that would be the right person for this job. So purely not policies but qualities. What are the right qualities of somebody that would be the right person for this job to go against the establishment qualities? Well, we need someone, I would, we need someone who's actually gonna stand up for what they believe in, Shamba Sawan. She's the real deal. Qualities, give me qualities.

Shhh, her quality is honesty, integrity. And I don't know what the word would be, but like her salary, she will only take as much money as the average salary in her district, and she gives the rest away. That's a real deal. I don't know what you call that, but she's real. And she put, she's, she's where the rubber meets the road.

And that's the kind of politician I look for, people who care, they know what it's like to struggle. Can she be bought? I don't think she can be bought. Okay, so let's put that down. I think we're getting something. So you said honest integrity, which by the way, it's very hard for us to really measure that.

Those qualities, you know that, that takes five, 10 years until we really know if a person is honest and has integrity. But you said is not for sale. Okay, let's put that. Right. What else? Let's figure out some of these qualities here.

Is it fair to say that the person cannot be afraid of being trash, destroyed, labeled, shit talked about, you know, backstabbed, you cannot fear. What do you call that? Do we want to put thick skin? Yeah. That fair? What else would to put thick skin? Is that fair? I would say thick skin. What else would you say for the quality of this person? Courage.

Courage. What else? I agree. Do they have that their own money? Does it help if they have their own money? You know, that's, I mean, Shama so on certainly doesn't. So I know, I think integrity, no.

I mean, like if someone like you ran, right? You wouldn't need their sure. Like if someone like you were in, right? You wouldn't need their money. So that would give you a certain amount of freedom. Right. So yeah, I understand that idea. Yeah. So if you need their money, you become a puppet of that. I guess we said that already.

You know instead of saying not need money, it's not for sale. Okay, so you know, okay, let's put that slash has their own money, whatever. Okay. What else? Because I think this is very important because for me, let me explain to what I'm doing here with you. So our staff were sitting there, we're having a conversation about who we need this specific chief executive position that we're trying to hire for and there's debate amongst the

group board who's the person to hire. One group and I think is this person, that person, this person, and we're having a very, very big debate. I said before we have this wasting time debating this, write out the job description and the qualities of this individual to fit the criteria. And then let's go recruit that person, right? That's what I'm doing right now. So so far for us to have somebody that is not afraid to go up against these bullies that we know from both sides. This is what we have so far. Honesty, integrity is not for sale, has their own money, thick skin, courage, what else would

you say? Do we want to add anything else to this? Compassion. Compassion, okay. Compassion, okay. I agree, that's a good one. Good call, Rob. What else would you say?

I mean, this is, you know, what else would you put on this list here? Somebody said conviction. Okay, let's put conviction. Conviction, is what else would you put on this list here? Somebody said conviction. Okay, let's put conviction. Conviction, is there anything else you want to add to it? I think that's, let's start with that. Yeah, just not being caught and having courage is so. So, so for me, when you, when you explain this to me, I, I, I, I, I, I, I hate to say this. And I know people are going to lose their minds when I say this,

including yourself. There's only one name I think about. Uh-oh. You know the name. Who? There's only one name you put on this list here. You're going to put Trump. There's only one name.

What's the name? He said it. Trump? Let me explain to you why. But by the way, let me explain to you why though. Let me explain to you why. The challenge with everything you said, when you said, well, he didn't even do it.

Look at him, he said he's gonna go to the CIA and the Schumer said, what, you know, you realize what they're gonna do? You realize they got six all the stuff that you said about CIA, of course. Do you think a, take a company that's been around for 20 years, let's change it. Take a company that's been around for two years. Okay. They got 42

employees. You become a CEO. Are those people who are 42 employees? Are they fully, fully loyal yet? Or it's just two-starred of a company. They can stole, say, no, we need somebody that knows what they're doing. They'll flip to you immediately if you're a good CEO, right? Okay. Take a company that's 10 years and you come in. Maybe there's a little bit more loyalty. It's going to be hard to flip these guys, right? Take a company that's 40 years. You're going to have a hard time. Flip, so you got to fire a lot of people, right? Take a company that's 100 years. Take a company that's been around since 1776. Let's just call this company USA, okay? And you come in and you want to really, the way these guys have been country club politicians and you want to break that apart, are you, you don't have

one enemy. You don't have two enemies. You don't have a hundred enemies. You have hundreds, if not thousands of enemies who will not let you ruin what they've been able to convince the American people of doing. To be able to pull that off, it takes a very unique individual who is not going to be liked by a lot of people who is accustomed to not being liked, who is accustomed to having thick skin, who is accustomed to negotiating with dirty people, politicians, business people. He's well dealt with everybody who's accustomed for that. I'm not telling you he's the guy, but if you're saying you want somebody to go up against an establishment, I ask you names, you couldn't come up with names. The lowest score you gave out of all the presidential candidates was only Trump.

That's the lowest score you give. Out of all the names outside of Tossi Gabbardabbard because you gave Tulsi like a 50 is what you gave you give Ron like a 50 I think but Ron is not gonna run Tulsi could run this is not a regular person's job is all I'm saying it's not a regular person's job to be this person like the other day you know a OC posted a picture I don't know if you saw this or not she posted a picture of of what he called herself with Lula, okay, from Brazil. You mentioned Brazil, that's why I'm bringing up Lula. And if you see this picture, go all the way down, keep going down, keep going down, she

tweets a lot, so it's kind of tough to catch up. You're probably not going to get to the picture, but it's a picture of her and Lula. And she says something about it's so great to have a leader like this who's brave and courageous, et cetera, et cetera. And then two posts later, you courageous, et cetera, et cetera. And then two posts later, you know, she posts, she posts a picture with Elon Musk and Rubbert Murdoch at Super Bowl. And then she says, what, birds like birds of a feather flock together.

Right. And then you're like, wait a minute, if that's the case, two posts ago, you are Lula. And Lula came to US. I retweeted Biden's picture and I said is Lula in America to get another car wash. If you know the car wash, what he did was steal the jato. Yeah, all that stuff. So to the point, all I'm saying this, this person, Jimmy, you're probably not going to like the person to go up against establishment. You're probably not going to like him. I would, I would, I think? I would like Joe Rogan to run.

He ain't gonna do it. I know he won't do it, but I think he... I think the world, a lot of people would want to have a guy like that run. I don't know if he's gonna do it. And I think he has all those qualities. I don't disagree. And then it didn't come from the establishment, because he wasn't a politician. But I wanted to ask you when we were talking about it.

And I think one of those biggest mistakes for Trump was coming in. And right after the rip going, I'm gonna drain this swamp. And we've said this before in the podcast, Jimmy, when you drain the swamp, you think about, you take all the water and shit out, you think alligators and snakes are gonna go, hey, we're gonna go to another,

they're gonna go crazy. So here's my thing. And it was funny we were talking about Carlin. I was listening to George Carlin on the way here. And it was like towards the end when he was like, with the government, it's helping him, it's a big club. You ain't in. That's right. None of us are in it. So my thing is when he was like, with the government, it's helping him, it's a big club. You ain't in.

That's right. None of us are in it. So my thing is, that breaking point, Jimmy, that we're talking about, that moment where we're in the street that I'm just like you. I've sacrificed some of my career because I finally started talking about it, and it really bothers me that, you know,

we're stuck in this, in this rut, and I always say for people to get into the streets, but do you think that this deep state and all this system is so set up against us? Even if we have that moment, Jimmy, where we're there, we're ready to go. They own all the, they own all the government, they own everything. They own. We kind of can't really, if we win the streets, Pat, and we're actual revolution, the National

Guard's getting deployed. Everybody's all the cops, everybody's gonna turn on us because that, you know, they run the show, the government runs all of them. How loud, how loud do you think that we can actually get? And what would be the breaking point for everybody to go, okay, we're done. Do you think there even is a breaking point? Well, that's what I keep asking that question.

Like, what's happening right now in Palestine, Ohio? I'm like, when are people, when are they gonna stop just taking it? I don't understand what, so it has to come from the grassroots. It has, I think it has to come from a worker-led kind of a thing and more of a Christian smalls kind of a reaching out economic alliance of the classes, working class. I mean, so it is a class war that's happening and so, and they won.

It's all over and they control that they that, I mean, it's just so obvious that our government is completely controlled, which is why they can't give you healthcare, while they can't bring clean water to Flint, Michigan. You know, they have billions of dollars in the Ukraine aid, so they could get clean water and Ukraine, but they won't do that for the United States. I have a question for you, Jimmy.

Yeah. This is gonna be kind of a crazy question, but just go with me. Okay. So we're railing on the establishment right now. for you, Jimmie. Yeah. This is going to be kind of a crazy question, but just go with me. All right. So we're railing on the establishment right now. The establishment, the establishment, the establishment. So the argument these days is should we just tear it all down and start a new or fix sort of the problems?

Here's my question. So when I think of establishment, I think of, well, the Supreme Court, I think of Congress, I think of the military, I think of the office of the presidency, I think of NATO, I think of, well, the Supreme Court, I think of Congress, I think of the military, I think of the office of the presidency, I think of NATO, I think of all the different alphabet CIA, FBI, I throw everything you want in there, right? Every single department of this education, agriculture, isn't that what kind of made America

what it is today, these establishments. Now there's bad actors within the establishments. We need to get the fuck out of there. Term limits, bad actors, lobbyists that are operating within the shadows of the government that they need to get the hell out of there. Crazy question, but aren't these establishments established for a reason?

And we just need to have better people in there and hold them accountable, but also maintain the establishments? Well, you have to have institutions. I'm not saying. That's what I mean. Yeah, institutions. Correct.

Corrective institutions, but look at the guy like Fauci, right? So a guy there, he's there 43 years. Why do these are bad actors, bad people? Yeah, exactly. Right, so this system that we have, the system of the NIH that's bad, right? Right.

That the idea to have an FDA or a CDC, or an NIH, these are good things. You need to have these things, but the way they're funded is completely ridiculous. Right now, the big farm of funds to 70% of the FDA. So they're completely kept. So we have corporate capture of our regulatory agencies. And so that's what I'm talking about.

We need to, first of all, start getting money out of politics so we can get our institutions back. Are we back to serving the people instead of serving the president. I agree with you. We want to to maintain these establishments. Yeah, you got to have these institutions, but with the right people. So everything you want to throw with the big in there, right?

You want to throw big pharma, the military industrial complex, right? Big oil, big tech, all these big stuff that have sort of corporatism has come within these establishments and reached around and grabbed their tentacles all about them, we just want to get them out. So I think the reason that I'm asking this question is because we do want to maintain these establishments. We do want to maintain what has made America great for a lack of a better term, but get the nonsense out of it.

So I think it's like a very nuanced discussion and argument, not fuck the establishment. We kind of need the establishment to maintain America. So why was it like, for instance, a lot of people would say, hey, why don't we nationalize the, you know, the oil industry, right? Because that's our oil.

It's the, it's the country's oil. It's not exons oil. And then whenever a country tries to do that, the United States tries to coup that government, right? So yeah, we, I wouldn't expect, it's even with the vaccine. Like other people have made the point like, why wasn't that nationalized?

Why were they allowed to make $100 billion off of COVID? One company, which people have no idea how much money that is, you know, the recording industry in the United States, every piece of music that's recorded and released generates $12 billion a year. $100 billion went to one company for COVID. I mean, that's the kind, and that $100 billion is enough to buy everybody in the media and buy everybody in government. And that's, we're living in a corrupt and place, which is why people think Iver Mechtin was horse-paced instead

of what it actually is, a miracle drug that has saved billions of lives. And it's safer than aspirin. So they wanted to make you think it was scrimm, that's because, and it all started with Bill Clinton in 1996 when he did the Telecommunications Act and people don't realize that we used to have 50 giant media companies in America and then Bill Clinton passed the Telecommunications Act which took us down to six,

which is why journalism sucks so hard in America because they all worked for the same people. There were, they were competing for the licenses. It was insane. By the way, that's a very big point he just made right there, but the whole, we had, we went from 50 to handful, and that hurt a lot of people because you didn't have more voices. And until this format came out, where guy like Kim, or Rogan, or us, we can go out there and talk and say, say what we're saying

We're like wait a minute. What what are these guys who are these guys that kind of makes us let me Google Let me research this, but then you see the narrative is we're we're all right. We're mental. We're radical I don't know if they say that about you, but they say that about me that I'm an all I'm all right Conspiracy theorist because I was right about russia gate. I was right about Syria I'm right about covid and so that COVID. And so they have narrative control. And if you look at the journalists and the Twitter is the perfect example, when the Twitter files came out

and Matt Taibi was exposing stuff like that, and they were all shooting on him as if he's some kind of an idiot for doing breaking a story about corruption of social media and the government. And so you see they're the narrative control. That's what journalism is. That's what corporate journalists are there for to control the narrative. And if they see there are the narrative control. That's what journalism is. That's what corporate journalists are there for to control the narrative. And if they

don't control the narrative, they have to start disappearing people. And that's a lot harder. Yeah. Very important part about the narrative. Like, for instance, you just called yourself a lefty, your words. And now you're a quote unquote alt right. That they call me that. Which one are you Jimmy? I'm lefty. But this is the problem. This is right to discredit me by calling me all right. This is the problem. This is right to discredit me by calling me all the way. This is the problem. And I just kind of revisit what you were talking about earlier with Putin, for example. This is the problem with just dismissing

and throwing a label on somebody. So it's so easy to be like, Putin's crazy. Yes. Or Zilinski's a hero. That's right. And that's it. And most people, what I often say, are most people are most people. We talk about like most people are living paycheck

to paycheck trying to get by raise their family, raise their kids fucking just day to day work to work. You want me to get into a nuance discussion about the Donbass region of whether the military industrial competition is making money on Putin and the NATO alliance. It's like, let me just try to get paid in later over to our kid, right buddy?

So it's just easy to just label Putin's crazy. So Linsky's the hero. He's gonna be the man of the year All right cool Jimmy's alt right. Let's keep it moving by But it's not so simple like that is your point that's great and going back to what you're saying though when you said You know aren't some of these you know FDA aren't some of these you know institute not institutions aren't some of these Departments whatever you call them necessary not institutions or some of these establishments, departments, whatever you call them, necessary.

Okay, so in a company when a person comes in, you see how many dumb departments there is that you're funding. You go through, when you hire a CFO to come in and you do a higher forensics auditing for your own company that you're taking over, you're about to buy. So you're about to buy a company that's got a lot of issues.

You come in, you're gonna spend a lot of money auditing that business. So when we were being bought, there was people auditing every single thing on what statement, expenses, credit card, what's this, what's that? Why are you spending this money, your op-ex, your hiring, how do everything is being audited, right?

And you're like, dude, this is a waste, that's a waste, we can help you with this waste. So then the buyer is sitting there saying, that's $600,000 a year you're like, dude, this is a waste. That's a waste. We can help you with this waste. So then the buyer is sitting there saying, that's $600,000 a year you're putting here. That will be a waste because we'll take it. Don't worry about it. We're going to save that money. So that's an additional $600,000 in EBITDA.

That million dollars you're spending here. That two million dollars you're spending here, we can save money in those fallen areas, right? So when a person comes in, this whole thing with transportation is are which is who this wonderful guy, this amazing guy, he's good at it. Like you through a zone. Do you know, do you know what we're starting to realize with everything that happened? Has he gone

to any of the spots by the way? Has he gone to, has he gone to Palestine? Has he gone to Michigan? Has he gone to Detroit? No, has he gone to any of these places? Okay, FYI, the same guy that you didn't like, let me ask you a question. If this guy was president, the guy you don't like, honestly, Jimmy, honesty. If this guy was president today, you're a straight-up guy. How long before he goes to Palestine? It means Trump? Yes. How long before he goes to Michigan? How long before he goes to the border? He was president and he didn't fix the water

and been Flint, Michigan. You're expecting him to do it in what? In four years. In four years while he's getting trash with Russia. No, I mean, while he's got a hundred other issues he's dealing with because here's, again, this is what it goes back to. The challenge with you wanting to candidate your,

your, and by the way, if we think we've seen dirt and smear campaigns on him, we're about to see a whole different, and we're gonna see it on the sand. I'm gonna see it. I'm gonna find out. I'm in, I mean, they're gonna do it. They're gonna do a lot of that stuff.

I did a fine tour. Except for him, he is now got the lead on smear campaigns on all of them, with every Twitter files, everything that's coming out. And now that Elon Musk owns Twitter, it's a different game today than it was in 2020, then today. and whatever Twitter files, everything that's coming out. And now that Elon Musk owns Twitter,

it's a different game today than it was in 2020 than today.