PBD Podcast - Joey Merlino: Mafia Boss of the Philadelphia Crime Family? | PBD Podcast #762

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

Joey Merlino, often labeled an alleged Philadelphia mob boss, sits down with Patrick Bet-David to break down his side of the story - from beating multiple RICO cases to his ongoing battles with the FBI, media narratives, and what he calls a system built on lies.In this interview, Merlino opens up about his time in prison, why he says he never cooperated with federal authorities, and his views on “rat culture” in organized crime. He also reacts to long-standing allegations, calls out government tactics, and shares how he transitioned from legal battles to building a business and podcast platform.The conversation dives into street code, loyalty, and the differences between reputation, reality, and media portrayal - giving viewers a rare look into one of the most controversial figures tied to Philadelphia’s underworld.------👍 LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE!Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH JOEY MERLINO: https://bit.ly/4bijV8lⓂ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj💬 TEXT US: TEXT “PODCAST” TO 310-340-1132 TO GET THE LATEST UPDATES IN REAL-TIME!ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Who was Joey Morlino? I'm cheese steak guy. You're a cheese steak? Yeah. The media says you're part of the mob. You've never been part of the mob. No, there's no mob. Why did they make documentaries and talk about you?

That's what the media does. Like Trump says, fake news. So rumor has it. He was gonna be the face and behind closed doors. You were the puppet master kind of making the decisions. The guy's a nut. He was a salesman. He was a good bull's-h-h-bosser.

Ralph? Yeah. He's a bitchual liar. If I know what guys are right and I hang when I'm a rat. They all change their lives when they go to jail. And these people are sick. Again, Joey, somebody may say, you took out seven people. No, I didn't know. I never killed nobody.

You never heard. No, never. You've never killed nobody? No. I was never, I don't guilty of nothing. You beat three Rico cases. I still don't know where Rico is. They named me if they're a tang guy.

We don't f***es Rico. They killed your friend and you guys don't retaliate? Nope. How do you become that noble? That's just the way I am. What is it with you, not like in Pat's Cheesesteak? He's the one of started with us. What happened?

We buried him. Is this a real war? because the people outside of Philly don't know how important. This is political. We didn't go away for none of them. They f***ed with us. They invented the cheesecake. That's what I hear.

No, he did. I said, yeah, you invented it. We perfected it. And we heard his business. Instead of lines, the block loan, we got the lines. We buried him. To those of you that I've enjoyed the interviews

I've done with John Gotti Jr., Sam Mito, Gravano, Michael Francis, Frank Calada, you know, Phil Leonetti, any of these names, you're going to love today's interview. You've been asking for this for very long time, and it's finally happening. That's what Joey Merlino,

the FBI calls him the current boss of the Philadelphia crime family. You have to hear how he responds to it when I say that, and we addressed everything. Nothing was off the table. I brought up everything that he was tied to right after his good friend, Mikey Chang's was shot and killed,

and he was shot as well. Joey was shot a couple times. He'll explain to where he was shot. There was stories about seeking vengeance, and I think there's seven murders tied to him, and I brought it up. You have to hear a response to that. He brought up the recall cases,

the two death sentences he had, the 22 years that he was in prison what that was like. And part of it is like, I don't fear going to prison. I actually have a good time. So he's, although I'm 64 years old, I'm 42, I'm young, I'm healthy. The mindset of no matter how many times he was pushed to be asked on certain things, you have to see how he answered those questions. He definitely wanted to talk about rats.

He called a lot of people rats. So that part of it, he was not holding back on anything, his opinions on how he felt. Now he's building a cheese steak business. in South Philly that's competing with Pats and he had a lot of stuff to say, I had no idea there was a massive cheese steak war. We got wars going on in the Middle East. To South Philly, this war is more delicate and important

than any of the world's going on around the world because they're talking about cheese steak. So I'll let them explain to you. And by the way, I want to make you an offer you cannot refuse. And here's what it is. 51% of you don't subscribe to this show. You watch it on a weekly basis, but you haven't subscribed.

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press the notification, and enjoy this sit-down with Joey Merlino. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signs. Right here. You are a one of one? My son's drive there.

I think I've ever said this before. So, you know, very rarely do I bring a neighbor of mine on the podcast, right? I mean, to me, you're a neighbor, right? My neighbor. We live down the street for each other. Down the street. To the northeast of the people that know the racetracks. you were a winning jockey back in a day, three years, 41 races, right?

To the Fed, they claim you're still the, you know, boss of the Philadelphia crime family. I mean, that's what they say. You've been one for many, many years, as you know, I've sat with Ralph Natale, whom you and him spend time in prison together. I've talked to Leonetti. I think I even had Michael McGowan on, which, by the way, all three of them, Michael McGowan was the Fed, who was in the Mob War's documentary, which I don't know if you've seen.

You've seen the documentary or not. You don't know Michael McGowan? No, I never met him. So FBI thinks that's who you are. You know, to Philly, you have the best cheese steak, maybe better than Pats. We got the best cheese steak. Yeah, it's what I hear.

In the city. And to YouTube, you got a podcast called the, you know, the skinny with Joey Morlino. So to me with you is I've watched every clip I can get my hands on to see what you're going to say, what you're not going to say. I know your history. I've got friends I spoke to from Philly. One of them is he lived on as a tourist.

He calls it 2J2. We'll talk about the, you know, what area is Jackson and 22nd Street. Yeah, 22nd. Yeah. So he had a lot of good things to say about you growing up. But I want to know this from you. Who was Joey Morlino? If the average guy wants to know who's Joey Morlino, what would you say? I'm a cheese state guy. You're a cheese state? Yeah. I'm for the people. I'm a no mob. Listen, that's those movies. That's what they, you know, And it's, that's what the media does. The media does it. So the media says you're part of the mob.

You've never been part of the mob. No, I'm nothing, no. No. So, why did they make documentaries and talk about you? Why do they, you know, write books about you? Why do they, you know, and all these shows talk about, you know, the boss, you know, previously with Natalee, previously with all these? Why did they talk about your all the time? Natale's the biggest liar ever.

That's why I got mad at you because you had him on the show. I had him on the show. You got very madame. Yeah, yeah. He's an habitual drug dealer. The only way he'd get out of jail is because of me. That's it. He would have died in jail.

He got his whole family involved with drugs. He got his son-in-law involved with drugs. The guy who married his daughter, would I want my son-in-law to deal drugs? I want my son-in-law to be a doctor or whatever, whatever he does. He got his whole family involved with drugs, his son-in-law. And they were never getting out of jail. He was going to die. Yeah, he, he, he, when he and I sat down, he was very critical of Leonetti and very critical of you in a big way.

But he said, you guys were in prison together when he became the boss, if I'm not mistaken. Boss a lot. Yeah, I was in jail with him. Yeah. He's not. The guys did not. What was he like? I mean, I know he died a couple years ago, but what was he like?

He was a good, he was a, he was a salesman. He was a go bullshitter. Ralph. Yeah. Was he a tough guy? Was he a capable guy? Was he a known guy? I met him in jail. First time you met him was in jail. In jail? Yeah. I should have went to another jail. I would have never met him. So you prefer never meeting him? Yeah. I wish I'd never met him. So rumor has it. The plans were, you know, he was going to be the, you know, the face and behind closed doors, you were to puppet master kind of making the decisions. And then afterwards, when you got out, I think a couple years later, you ended up becoming a

Is that a rumor? Is that a fact? It's a rumor. It's a rumor. How do you feel like all these rumors? How do you manage- Don't bother me? I don't care. Like Trump says, fake news.

Yeah. It sells papers. Listen, me and my family have been in news since I was a kid. It don't bother me at all. I don't, you know, say whatever they want. How do you handle it? How do you handle when they say this stuff? I don't even pay attention to it.

But Joe, you got to realize, even from the outside. Like, I know what your answers are going to be, because I've been watching you for, of course, you know, we, the story is one time, we lived six hours. And we lived six houses down for each other. And I would walk the kids and I would see you. And one time I'm driving the car and I think, you know, I pull up, I'm like, excuse me, yeah, who's this?

I said, is this, are you skinny Joey? I'm Joey to you. And you pull up and I said, I know you. And you're like, aren't you the guy that interview? That's how our first interaction conversation. You had the kids in the truck. I had the kids in the truck. Yes, I remember that.

I'm like, wait a minute. You know, that's. I was saying to myself, who fuck's this guy. I just waved. You know, I waved all the neighbors. Yeah. Goes to that area, everybody waved, walk the dogs. It's a great area.

No, it's beautiful. I love that area. We almost bought a couple places there. But for a guy, I've sat with most of the guys that are living guys. Even Leonetti, the only one he did was with me. And Leonetti was the underboss of working with Scarfo. Everything ties you that you were part of that life. But the only guy that, and I'm trying to figure out how you're doing this.

you claim you're not the feds say they know you were and are that's what the feds say the streets say you know he was maybe got out in 24 you know

possibly the only guy that was a boss that still walks to streets you'll walk anywhere you'll go to New York what's the saying that you say you can go anywhere you can go to New York

go to Philly and nothing's going to happen to you but you grew up in this life now whether you claim you were in it or not that's you know you can that's a speculation but you grew up in this life and you excelled in this life. How did you get into the life?

I was never in the life. It's just the way, it's just grown up in South Philly. It's just the way we lived. You know what I mean? We have street smarts. You know, you're in the streets. You can be the greatest lawyer in the world,

the smartest guy in the world. If you don't have street smart, you ain't going to make it nowhere. I don't sure what are street smart. You just got to be street smart. Like, you know, you just came, like people are, I know lawyers that are the smartest

like intelligent lawyers, but in court, you don't have the street smarts to get, you know, present to a jury, you're done. Bobby Simone was one of the best lawyers in Philly. He had street smarts. You got to have streets marks. How do you gain it? How do you gain it?

Just learning, you know, growing up. Is it learned or is it DNA? Is it something that may happen? I mean, a lot of people selfily have it, you know. It's just growing up, respect. Like my father, I mean, if I came to your house when I was a kid, If I didn't shake your hand and look at you and say hello, we have respect for others. We were bad kids, but we have respect for others.

I'll get a beaten. We got to be beaten. From your pops. Yeah, we got to respect people. Leonetti was very complimenting of your dad. Leonetti's a fucking nut. Why is that? He robbed his uncle, he took all his money.

He never went to jail ever in his life, you know. The first time he went to jail, he made up stories to get out of jail. He robbed his uncle. He robbed all his money. he robbed this whole family and I don't know where to fuck where the fuck he's living. Did you guys spend a lot of time together or no? No, yeah, I know. Yeah. All these rats, the only one I knew was really him.

Like, see all these guys that go on on these shows. Oh, I'm, I, Sacali, bro. I never met them or soul of him ever in my life. Leonetti, I know. Leonetti and Ralph. That's the only two I ever know. How much time did you spend with Leonetti? I lived down there.

I live down to shore. Like, yeah, I spend time. Daily, weekly, like you saw. like yeah I said yeah what was it like did he have did he carry weight did he was he respected was he feared it was quiet it really was he used to love when they called him crazy Phil his mother they used to love it when they were under paper crazy Phil they love it now he's my uncle told me to do it Phil it's it's jail nobody wants to go to deal that's the bottom line they all changed their lives when they go to jail

just picture if none of them ever got locked up they would never been in here they wouldn't be sitting here they still be in he's still being he's still be in Atlantic City. So why are you doing it? Franchesey, still being... I'm the voice for the people in jail that got no voice. These people buried people lied about them, put them in jail. And then they go on in, whatever, YouTube, internet, make money off them. Sammy to both selling shirts that he killed 19 people. He's proud of it. He killed a 16 year old kid. Nobody ever, nobody talks about that. And these people are sick. Have you and Sammy ever done anything together? No, I never, I never, I, if he Well, I know he looks like now. I never seen him in my life.

Never seen him in your life. Ever. Never was in jail. None of them. Have you guys ever interacted, phone call, anything? No. Oh, no. How about Michael? No. I never seen him in my life. He's another one. He found God as soon as he got locked up. When he was robbing all that money and he gave it to God. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything. Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared. That's why I remember. 988, Canada's suicide crisis helpline. It's good to know, just in case. Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a train responder any time.

988, suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in Canada. Has that ever happened with you? Did you ever have a moment where you found God or no? No, I mean, I'm Catholic. I was an altar boy. You've always had it. Yeah. But these guys, as soon as they get locked up, Sammy just got baptized.

I see something. They put him in a pool. You think about that? He should have got electrocuted the motherfucker. Instead of a... I mean, look, look what he's doing now. And that's another thing, all these guys. There's not a way you could do it, but all these guys that,

all of them, they all commit crimes. Sammy, they got five years. They killed 19 people. He didn't even do five years. He did a year because that bullshit. He did a year. Got out. He flooded Arizona with drugs, old college kids.

Got another break. Now he just molested his secretary, pedophile, or what he is? Who's this? Sammy. What about his assistant? He molested her. You didn't, you didn't read it? No.

It's a civil case. Is she under 18? I don't know. I'll be honest. Unless it has to be under 18. If it's like a, hews of sexually assaulting employee. I guess, yeah, I guess that, assaulted employee. Right.

He made her stay in a hotel and he stuck a tongue down and throat. He pulled a gun out. You didn't read it? I got the sent to it. Yeah, so a woman who worked with Svetory. Yeah, she worked for him. I don't know her name. Somebody sent me to things.

Yeah, I don't know these stories. And I got the text, I mean, he's texted or something. The guys are not. I mean, they just keep on getting shit. But they got a license. They could do it. You realize every day on the internet, for the last two years, me and snuff, especially snuff, they bother him.

Poor kid, he's an innocent kid. We get threatened every day. They're going to call him. We're going to blow the cheese steak, place up. They're going to beat all arm. employees up. If I said that on the internet, I get locked up immediately. What's the difference? They have a license. The government loves them. And the government doesn't love you. No, they hate me. Why is that? I don't know. I guess what's on Italian. I don't know. You think this is my name?

You're Italian? Yeah. If my name was Joe Blow, I wouldn't, I wouldn't ever even got locked up this many times. I went to jail for making a bet. Just think of that. Not bookmaking. Yeah. Not gambling. running illegal again. Placing a bet over the phone. I got two years in jail. They would have to lock the whole world up. Everybody bets. I got two years. The other guy, the other guy I seen another day in a paper. He was with ISIS. He's supposed to get 20 years. They gave him 11 years. He got out in six years. And he went and shot the people. The system's fucked up. Yeah. If that was me, I would have got the lecture chair.

Yeah, but I think what when I see a different case study with yours, I mean, respectfully, when you talk to the guys in the streets and you get different sides of the story, you know, one of them is there's seven, I think there is alleged, of course this is alleged, seven hits that you have, alleged, seven people you took out, that that's what the street talks about. I was acquitted of everyone. Right, I understand that, but there's seven of them that they alleged that you did that. because they said, you know, one thing about Joey, that you get respect from your peers is he was not only tough, he was capable. Some are capable but not tough. Some are tough but not capable. Joey was both.

Meaning if somebody, if you wanted to get somebody, you know, job done, you went and did it yourself. You're like, hey, Bobby, you go do it. Hey, Jack, you go do it. You went and got it and did it yourself. This is the rumors. That's the rumor. Right.

I never killed nobody. You never killed nobody. No, never. You've never killed no money. No. Okay. You beat three RICO. right, if I'm in the state.

Maybe four. Three or four? I still don't know where Rico is. I don't know what you. I had three fucking cases. They named me if they're tying guy. They made it after the talking guy. Rico.

Rico. Who the fucks Rico? He keeps getting beaten up, apparently. If it's, uh, so three or four times, the seven, uh, alleged murders that you're saying you got to quit it on. So to me, when I met with Sonny Francie's, and I don't know what thoughts you have about Sonny. When I met with Sonny. Sonny or Michael? Not Michael,

Sonny, the father. Sunny did, I don't know what his time is. I think 52, 53 years. 60 years. He did a lot of time. He did a lot of time. What do you think about Sunny? Listen, the guy was a great guy. Did his time, kept his mouth shut. But when his son put people in jail, if you condone a rat, if I know the way I lived, the way I was brought up, if I know a guy's a rat and I hang with him, I'm a rat. That simple is it. I got an uncle that rat. I'd never told him again. ever disowned them my family disowned them is this the uncle that just recently died

Lawrence he died he died when I was in jail what the one I got pinched where was I to say County Jill I had a murder I had a murder murder case in Rico in Philly one of the murders was Sedano I beat it next day they indicted me for the same murder in Newark federal court I beat it twice 24 people found me not guilty, two jurors. And I was in the county jail and I called my cousin Ken, which is his daughter. And she said to me, I think it was my mother called me. He said, you got to call Kim, it's important.

So I called her, what happened? She said, my father died. They said, good. Your father died good. And they didn't talk. That's what they told me. They never told them. I don't think they did.

I really don't. And she said, what should we do? I said, the, what day's trash day? She said Thursday, I said, throw them in the fucking trash. Stop. And then they never talked, then they stopped talking to me. They stopped talking to me. They stopped talking.

So we never, I never talked to my uncle. I never, you know what I mean? If you, if you, if you know somebody hurt people and lied on people and you told them, you're just as bad as them, that's the way I was brought up. Who taught that to you? That's just the way I live, I live until I die. That's South Philly code? It should be every code. And there's just the way we were brought up.

So to you, when you think about son, you think he died that just because he associated with his son. Yeah, he's not supposed to talk to him. I mean, unless he got C now. So you're saying even if he goes and meets with his son, you're breaking the code because you're meeting with somebody that spoke to the feds? I'm, I don't know, I told him not no code.

It's just the way I live. I mean. But that's a code, though, no? My uncle. I would never fuck him. Good, I'm glad he's dead. And he never testified against nobody. Well, why did you do that to your,

why do you have that feeling towards your uncle, that animosity? He's doing good. What did he do that caused you to feel that way? What did he do? He just not supposed to do what he did. Made up lies. He tried to get out of jail. And he lied, and he was so bad they never used them.

Did he ever cooperate or no? Yeah, he cooperated. He sat down, you know, he told him everything, stories. But they never used them because he was fucking lying. They must have knew he was lying. And that was it. They never used them. But he cooperated.

So in your eyes, he cooperated. Is that your, is that the uncle? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Okay.

So going back to Sunny, what you said, but Sunny was a good guy. So the only issue you have with Sunny is the fact that he met with his son. Yeah. I mean, I don't know him. I'm just saying, like, he made his son come and visit him in jail, pick him up from jail. If he knows, he put. You put people in jail. You're talking about Michael.

Michael, yeah. And then you got another son to do. Michael ain't even his son. Right. That's a, that's a, you know, a story that's been discussed many times that Michael doesn't want to talk about. But, yeah, and his other son,

he had some issues that things that took place with him. But with Sonny, to me, when it comes on to Sunny, you know, Sunny was one of those guys that one time I went to New York, we're with him. He was staying at this, I don't know if you call it in old folks' homes or hospital, that's where we visited three times. It took him out one time to lunch.

His lawyers are there, and it's eight or nine of us, and we're going out that we're eating at the nice spot. And I'm asking him all these questions. And he was one of the guys that was true to Omerta. Like, he was not going to say nothing. So your challenge with Sonny is the fact that he just associated with his son. Yeah, maybe he wasn't seen all at the end. I don't know. He was old. I don't know.

I mean, I don't know him. I don't know him. If I'm saying if it was me, I would never, I would never thought. Even if it was your son. Yeah. And I didn't even, well, yeah, even if it was my son, but he's not even his son. But so you're saying even if you, one of your kids turned and when incorporated with the feds, you would never, never. Never. No.

Do you have a son? Yeah. Do you have any kids? Yeah, good. Two girls. Yeah. Okay. So if one of your girls did, you would never talk to every year.

Girls would never be in that situation. Why do you say? that would never be in a situation where they have to make up stories in light are both successful ones in an attorney and one's an advertisement wow so in that group you know I've never put my kids in that situation you would never put him in a situation like that huh interesting to me when I when I hear so who else when this concept of you're saying this is how we do things if somebody you know snitches or does something we don't associate with them anymore where does this

code come from though it's just the way I am the way I was brought up. What did your pops teach you? Because your dad was a little- My father-told guy. Listen, my mother taught me when I was a kid, don't tattletail. Did you like tattletails when you were a kid? No.

No, nobody likes them. Fucking tattletails. I went to school. Like, we got in trouble in school. You never tell them, whatever. The nuns used to beat us with Iron Rulers. Who broke the window, who threw this, who did that? We don't know.

We don't know. Just the way we were brought up. Nobody likes tattletail. Yeah, but you, you know, the, the, okay, so that's one. What else? What else was certain rules? That's it. It's just the way we grew up.

Never, you know, mind your business. If it don't affect you, just mind your business. How tough was it growing up in South Philly? I was tough. Philly's tough neighborhood. South Philly's tough. But it was a good neighborhood. Close-knit.

Everybody looked out for each other. You could leave your door old. So what made it tough? Just a neighborhood, you know, blue collar. Everybody worked. It was just, we all grew up. You hung in the schoolyard. You know, like old kids, we, I'm still friends with the kids on what the kidding

or I'm like. And we all grew up together. And we just, that's just the way we were. Joe, how many people of friends of yours that you had, how many were true to this code? No tattle tail, no snitching, no talking offense? How many guys were the core guys that you could trust with anything? My whole neighborhood. Everybody was like that.

When you say a whole neighborhood, you mean you're talking about hundreds of people? Yeah, like everybody that we hung out with. It's just the way it was. Today, it's all fucked up. What happened? Well, no, I'm saying, like, we used to hang in the school yard. We played basketball. We played baseball.

We played every sport you can take of hockey. You don't even see a kid in the schoolyard anymore. They play fucking video games. They're all fucked up. They can't even talk. So, you know, it's just that I'm glad I was born when I was born. Kids, they are all fucked up. At what point did kids know or you know that there was something different about your toughness?

Or did you even think that? No, I didn't even think of it. It's the way we were. It's the way we were brought up. People knew you were different, though, Joey. I mean, you know, for a guy that, you know, don't take this the wrong way. I know, like, Michael was a big guy, right? Is it Chad Vianney?

Oh, Michael Chang, yeah. Michael Chang, yeah. He was a big guy. He was not a small guy. No, Michael was big. Michael was feared by, and... It was tough with his hands, yeah. It was tough with his hands, but it was a family guy.

He was respected and loved and feared, which is a very weird combination to have loved, respected and fear. That doesn't, it's not common to have someone like that. And when they took out Michael, this was apparently your best friend. This was my guy. Yeah, their friend. Best friend. When they took them out, you, the, the, the, the, the, the,

Michael was big and intimidating, but based on what people tell me. When I see you, you know, you're a nice guy. I'm talking to you right now, even off camera. And every time I've seen you, we have a good conversation together. But, uh, there is an L, L, of fear towards a guy like you. Why did they fear you, respect you, and love you? Why did the people in South Philly have that feeling towards you? The average person can say fair with Michael, but why towards you? We're nice to everybody. We help everybody. People in Philly love me.

South, we help everybody. We go in a restaurant. We tip everybody. We take care of people. We give turkeys out. I've been giving turkeys out since the 80s. You know, it's all you're doing it. Now you want to be on the internet. No, I've been doing it before. There was no internet. There was no cell phone. It was back then. The beepers weren't even out yet. Why did you do that? We always did. My father did it.

We did the other dogs to help people. She saw your father do it and you did it. Yeah. I mean, it's a good feeling to help people. A lot of people don't have nothing. I mean, electric bills we paid. Ladies getting their electric shuttle in the winter. Like, we did it for a year.

We still do it. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, I want to get his first name right. I know his last name. Is it Sunny Mazzone? Is it? is it Sunny or is it

Stevie? Stephen Mazzone. Stephen Mazzone he had this shop by this arcade store and he would do embroidery for jackets. I don't know if you remember this or not.

This is 88, 87, 88. And one day, one of my friends who was from 2J2, which is 22nd and Jackson, and he goes up to Stevie and says, hey, I want to get this jacket with the embroidery, you know, Philly for my girlfriend. He said, okay, great. So they do it, and he's about to pay him whatever the

embroidery is going to be. Stevie says, what did you get for your mother? And this fellow says, yeah, I got her nothing. I don't have a lot of money this year. I can't do anything about that. But next year, I'm going to get her something. He says, no, I don't want you to do that. I want you to not pay for this embroidery. Take the jacket, but go get your mother a gift. These are the types of stories that comes back. Steve is a classy guy. We all, we're all like, That's what we do. I mean, we help everybody.

We did it all lives. Everybody likes us. They respect us. They like us. How did you guys make money? I worked. We worked. I worked my whole life. What'd you do? I was a jockey, gambler. I did it all. Jockey, gambler. As a jockey, were you making real money? Was there real money in the jockey bit? Yeah, I made money. I was a kid, though. I was 18.

How did one races? How did you get into that business? I started out. I'll tell you, I got into it. Salvi Testa took me. They used to have horses in Jersey. There ain't no horse in South Hill. You're fucking would see a horse. And we went down in Cabanadowns and we used to go riding. Yeah. And he owned, he had a horse. And I used to, you know, he said, well, you ride good. And then we used to rent them. You go down like $5 for two hours. And we would go, you know, all our friends and Philip Narducci had a horse. And we used to go down and ride. And then I love And I was little. And then I got a job down Atlantic City racetrack as a hot walker.

And, you know, groom, exercise boy and joggy. That's how it started. Passion, loved it like till today. Love it. I've seen you at the race track. Yeah, I could get, yeah, I see. Yeah. What was it? That it's the best one in Florida. It's, it's the Florida Derby. Florida Derby. Oh my God. I think it's coming up in two weeks. Is it really? And then all, can you text Montaille, tell him I got to go to that, Rob. Let me tell you, it is such a spectacle. We go every year? Every year. It's a, you go to the Derby ladder now? No, I never been to Kentucky.

You know, part of the Derby, you know. I had to go. Yeah, I've been going every year for many years. It's a great experience. But so you got into races like that and you're doing this as a kid. You're making good money. And then you get, you openly talk about gambling. On the podcast, you guys talk about gambling all the time.

I know Italy was in the World Series Hisset against Venezuela. We're talking about it. That was a close, close game. But going back to it. the culture of how you guys were for the people. And the people, actually, if you talk to the people in the streets, it's very rare I find anybody that says anything bad about what you guys did to the city, to South Philly.

No, I mean, we help everybody. Yeah, except when... We pay tuitions. We don't tell them. We don't go announce that. Oh, we paid zone, so we help. We help everybody. And where we could help?

Like I said, with a cheese steak place, we opened. Yeah. Give anybody, you know, people get out of jail. Like, it's almost impossible we get a job if you're a phone. So the Fed may say, that's a business model, win the people, but do the business and make the money, but help the little guys, right? It's almost like the movie in a gladiator when the gladiator says, I want to have freedom one day like you. He says, win the crowd, win your freedom. Was that the purpose to win the crowd, win the people?

No. No, we just did it. We didn't do it for no views and likes. We did it before all this internet shit. That's just the way we were brought up. My father paid for people's wakes. You know, somebody in the family dies, they got no money to bury him.

We didn't broadcast it. Just getting the money to pay for it. That's just the way we are. And I'll never change. Like I was getting back with the cheese steak place. I told them I'll hire anybody, give you a chance, you know, as long as you're not a rat and a pedophile. Other than that, a child molest, you come work first.

Those two for you. Yeah. I can see that job interview. That's it. Asking a question. Not a rat. Are you a rat or a pedophile? No, Joey.

Okay, you're on. You're on, you're hired. You literally asked that. You say that to people? Yeah. If not, I don't want you. I don't know if Fortune 500 companies use that. Maybe they should.

Yeah, they should. Maybe they should. Who wants pedophiles? Listen, they should do. You see how they got Megan's law? Mm-hmm. You know, if you're a, you fuck With kids, you gotta let the neighbors know.

They should do that with these, like, these rats. Like, they should have rat law. Would you like to have same of the bulls your neighbor? You're true. If you don't know, like he's on another name because he had a different name. They all get different names. If he was fucking Tony Manero, my neighbor.

Tony Manero. You got four sons next door, you got four kids. You want this fucking nut living next door to you? See, 19 people? Yeah. Yeah, to me, I get along with everybody. No, I know. I mean, you're in the, I'm just saying,

a regular person. Regular person would say no. I don't, what would you want this motherfucker living next door to you? But again, Joey, somebody may say, you took out seven people.

No, I didn't. I'm not. Allegedly, you know, the numbers, like, you know, there's, and by the way,

I mean, you, you know, when we do the interview, you're going to say, whatever you're going to say, you're Joey Murlino, but, you know, reputation follows. Like, if reputation follows somebody,

and if the average person doesn't have a reputation of killing seven people, that doesn't come accidentally. You know what I'm saying? I was charged. I don't know how, with how many yeah i got acquitted of everyone found not guilty i got found not guilty by i got

charged with the same murder twice it never happened yeah ever yeah it was federal court federal court philly i beat it they charged me the next day in no work i went to trial again and beat it i was never down guilty of nothing no murders none i was acquitted of all of them what's that mean i didn't do it we didn't do it my friends we didn't do it yeah but but when when uh when i think how how close Was Michael like a brother to you? Yeah, Michael, yeah. Okay. So is it true that the war that happened,

mob wars that happened in the 80s, whatever the year was, could have been 80s, 90s, when it happened, his brother, Joey, who went and sided with Stampha, who was the boss that they sent from Sicily, he came to try to bring the business back to the old ways of just making money and that's all they were doing. And Joey, the brother, killed Michael. Is that a true story?

And you have no idea. You have no idea? No idea. Okay. I know me and Michael were walking on the street with a drive-by. I got shot and he got shot one time and died. You got shot four times or is it? No, twice in the eyes.

He shot you twice in the eyes. That's a tough way to kill somebody. He should have never got hit. Oh, he got hit because he raised his arm? He put his arm out. Oh, got it. If his arm is down, I guess, you know, he was baked. You would have made it.

It went on there here. You're on the one. And it only got shot one time. But you don't know who killed them. No. No idea. No idea. Do you never want her to seek vengeance and find out who did?

No. No. Not all. Joey. What are you laughing about? You're so funny, Joey. That's the truth. Okay.

Well, listen, I respect it. I'm trying to see because your birthday just happened, right? You just had a birthday a couple days. Is it a birthday? Yeah. Happy birthday. Thank you. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

A guy who is feared, loved, and respected has no desire to want to seek vengeance on the guy that killed his best friend, his brother. How do you become that noble, that peaceful? Peace. That's it. That's just the way I am. No desire to want to have somebody that took at them. This is a cold. I don't even know who did it.

I mean, everything ties back to his brother that killed Michael, your right-hand guy, your best friend. Right. And you had no desire to want to go back and take that guy out. No. Okay, so obviously the revenge ends up happening. And I think you're at the funeral of Michael, and at the funeral, cameras on you, zooming in on you,

and everyone's trying to size you up to say, you know, Stanford's winning, you know, the war, and, you know, these young guys that are coming up, who do they think they are? Joey Marlino is now afraid, and he's afraid of Stanford now. and zoom in and zoom in it, even closer on your eyes. And then a report asked you a question.

I don't know what the question was. But you told them to F off. Like, you really had no desire I want to talk to anybody. What were you thinking in that moment at the funeral? Nothing. Just more than our friend, you know, worry about his family. You had three kids. No desire for vengeance?

No. So if your father is the father that I think he is, my assumption, if he said, you know, shake someone's hands, you know, be respectful. If you don't, you're going to get a weapon. Yeah, this is the clip, Rob. Can you play this? Is this video? Do we have this or no?

Can you turn the audio so I can hear it go for it? Morning's viewing in funeral for Changolini, Merilino was not at all camera shot. He stood in front of the funeral, as if you say, I'm still here. They didn't get me. Merlino has also maintained his bravado. Listen to his response when we asked him to comment on the shooting. This morning's viewing in... Yeah.

Yeah, fuck you. We're at a week. And they got cameras at a week. I mean, come on, show respect for the family. Was that the case 24-7 with you? It was cameras on the... Yeah, everywhere. Yeah, cameras everywhere we went.

Why did they want to record, John? I don't know. I don't know. I'm fucking news, fake news. Look what they do to Trump. Same shit. So for me, if we go back to, you know, with Pops. But you have to go back to you're saying about these shootings.

We were acquit. I know you were. I know you were. But to me, if the DNA of what your father might, what I'm understanding from the people in South Philly, what the code was, if your father, the profile of your father, I would say, if anybody does anything to your brother, you better make sure you get him by the end of the day. Would that be a right assumption of something your father would tell you? Yeah, I tell anybody that. If I'm with me and you were at a bar, you're getting a fight, I'm helping you. They killed your best friend.

You're not doing anything? No, we didn't do it. I don't know who killed them. We don't know who killed him. I don't know. Yeah. Who was not Billy V.C., because that's the older brother, right? It was John, John V.C.?

Am I saying it correctly? Yeah. Who was John V.C.? I don't know. I don't know. I know how long ago. I've seen him three times in my life. You've seen him three times in your life. Is it recent or back in a day? No, back in the day.

How old was he? Was he a tough guy or? It was a junkie. It was a junkie. Yeah. That's what he was. Dockney. He never hung with us. We never did drugs. He was younger. We didn't know him. I didn't know from the day. Was Billy more your age or was it was? Billy was, yeah, maybe my age or a year or two younger. Did you ever meet Billy or no?

Yeah, I know Billy. Was Billy an easy-going guy? Nice guy. Not a tough guy, not a street guy. Yeah, no. Yeah. So Billy seemed like he wanted to do the right thing. He was a good athlete.

Billy was a good athlete. Yeah, he played basketball. Right. And then Johnny, in this picture, Johnny's the one on the right. Billy's got the tux on. Billy's got the tux on, yeah. So Johnny goes out there, and I think Johnny,

allegedly, a little bit reckless. He's going out there. He has no problem taking somebody out. I think he got, his mother died. at 41 when he was 16 years old and he never met his father. They were all junkies. Right. And they were dope fiends.

Both of them or he was? No, not Billy. He was the mother, the whole family. Oh, the whole family was. Not Billy, though. I don't think Billy was. So Billy was a good kid. I think Johnny's still around.

So Johnny allegedly got arrested 60 plus time before turning 18. So eventually he gets out. When he gets out, they come up to him, they give him $1,000 to take somebody out. And he goes out for $10,000 and they burn up the car, which the car was a least car. if I'm not mistaken. And he burns in the car, FBI comes and says, what are you doing? The license plate is still here. It goes back to the guy that leased the car.

They know who it is. They go find him that's ties to Stanford. And they're like, no, you're tied to this. And then eventually, through him, they realize he's going to flip and he's going to go testify against the whole crew, everybody, Johnny was. And then that day before he was. he was going to do that, they took out his brother, Billy. All this stuff adds up.

All these stories are kind of adding up or? No, yeah, I know, yeah. Okay. I was in Philly. Yeah. I got charged with it. Yeah, and got to quit. And got to quit it.

I found out guilty. Of course, Ralph Nettelie lied. What did Ralph say? Ralph said you were behind it? Yeah, me and my friends, but we got to quit. He said that after the murder, we had a meeting in my grandmother's house, nine's 27 Jackson and, you know, to bullshit the movie shit, he hugged me, kissed me.

It sounds good, you know, in court. But come to find a heat and realize him and the U.S. attorneys in Philly, they believe there anything he said, they never investigated it. This was 1995, I think it was, or four, 95, 94. So we had a meeting in 927 Jack Street. My grandmother's house. My grandmother sold the house three years prior. to Chinese people, Asian people.

It was impossible for us to be in that house. So we subpoenaed. My lawyer went and got the deed to the house that the house was sold three years prior. And we called the Asian guy. I don't know what fuck he is. He came on a stand. We had to get a translator.

He said, that's impossible. They were never in my house. I don't even know them. I'd never seen them in my life. They could have never been in my house that day. He lied. The jury acquiters in five minutes. What did Natali say?

was you know when you guys were into prison together he asked you hey take care of my family when I'm out all got the same story everyone they must give them a pamphlet when they flip when you can understand say this they didn't give my fuck I gotta give his family money for it I don't know him I lent his son-in-law my motorcycle when I was in jail this a true story I met him in jail I like motorcycle I had a Harley-Davidson brand new I get locked up I only got we get four years So I kept the bike. You know, when I get out, I'm right, I love bikes.

He said to me, my son-in-law, Bobby, he loves bikes. That's the bike. Now, that wasn't that one, one before I had that, that one. He said he wants to go to Bike Week or something. Something with fucking bike. Could you let, could he bought a bike for the weekend? I should have to take it. Fuck, I ain't, I'm in jail.

Can't drive any yard. It's like, I give the bike. That motherfucker sold it. Stop it. Keep the bike and sold it. And still didn't pay me. Brand new Harley Davis. Nice guys, him and his son-low.

Did you ever meet him again? Did you ever see him again? No, I've never seen him. No. So when's the last time you saw Ralph? Was it in jail? No, in a witness then. In a witness then.

What was that like when you saw him? He was the worst witness ever. My lord destroyed him. The jury said, if you could pull up the yard. It's embarrassing, yeah. They said he was the word. How do fuck? could they even bring him on the stand they didn't believe him they didn't believe one they said

the what jurors said we didn't believe one where he said yeah yeah but that's the government before you no i got them all out of jail pete de crumb another guy how route he was dead it was his third third meth conviction it's life automatic life no pro you never get out he testified against me and they got to let him out let the son loll out he was dead he admitted He said he don't know how many people he killed. They dug up at a social club. There was three bodies. He was dead.

He was getting, and his son was on him. The son was already in jail was it for drugs. He got 14 years with the state in Jersey. He testified against me to let a son right out and they let him out. Nice contrary, right? Yeah, I'm trying to think because to me, you know, if going back to father would say, if anybody does anything to your brother, brother, you know, you have to, you can't let the market believe that they can touch you or

the people on your crew, right? I mean, in the street quote, even in business. There is no crew. We just, we're just friends. I mean, you just want to make it like it's this, it's that. I didn't. But even to us, like in business, Joey, if in business, uh, there's a, there's a quote, I'll read it to you. Maybe you'll like this quote. And when I read this quote, it kind of reminds me of maybe the code you followed. No friend ever served me and no enemy ever wronged me whom I have not repaid in full. Let me read it again.

No friend ever served me and no enemy ever wronged me whom I have not repaid in full. Lucius Cornelius Sula, Sulfuritan epitaph. So I see you as one of these guys. I see as a guy, if he's your friend, He's 100% loyal. I have your back for the rest of your life. But I also see if you're an enemy, you cross me.

You have to worry about me for the rest of your life. If you don't build that reputation, you know this, Joe, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's... You're my friend. So they killed your friend and you guys don't retaliate? Nope. And we got charged with it. And we got to quit.

Yeah. How about Salvi? Salvi's a good man. Everyone says none. No, Salvi's a good guy. Everyone says that. Everyone says Salvi on one end, he was the guy that would grab the, you know, if somebody went to the market, he would grab all the groceries and walk across and help you out. Yeah, we all did, everybody in that. I was the neighbor. That's just the way we were, brought up.

But Salvi was also known for being very tough and feared. Salve was tough guy. Him and Michael Boat, same level of toughness? Yeah, they were tough. Similar profile. Well, big, big guys, go with their hands. And Salvi was good friends with you as well? Yeah. Salvi and Michael has friendship, same level. Salvi...

When Salvi died. I was in jail when he died. He was 80. In the 80s. He died. I was young when he died. I was in jail. Why did they call him the prince, the crown prince?

How did that nickname come? I think the fucking, what do you call it, though? The paper, the newspaper. Not even, nobody gave it to him. No, nobody never called him out. Why did he call him that, though? We never, nobody in Philly ever called him out. Like, nobody ever called me skinny Joey, ever.

You know, he got that name from the cops. I had a cousin, Maga Lawrence, his son. He was Joey, and I was Joe. Same name, Merlino. He was fat, and I was skinny. So they used to, the truth. So when they used to follow us, that's the skinny one.

They say, the skinny one. Nobody ever called me skinny Joey my whole life. And nobody never called Salvi. I never heard the prints, I mean, from the paper, but nobody ever called them out. I can't see the mob calling him, calling anybody he'd crowned. No, they never, no, I never,

I never heard it until it was in the paper. I think it's the New York Times that the article on the sun. Yeah. But nobody never called him. Yeah. It's funny that you name your podcast, The Skinny by Joey Merlino.

I love that name, by the way. What was your reaction when he was killed? I was the way. He was a good man. He said, always good man. Great guy. Similar profiles with him and Michael, meaning the same, feared, respect, and I loved.

Well, they were tough. They were good fighter. You know what I mean? They could fight. They were big. They were not to use their hands. I mean, they're today. Did you go to school with them?

Like, did you- No, Savvy was older to me. Savvy was older than. Yeah, I think that was, like, six, seven years older. Did you respect him? Was he like an older brother? Yeah, he was older.

Like, yeah, he was, you know, when you're, when you're 16 and somebody's 24, it's like- Massive. It's like, wow, yeah, like, yeah. Yeah, like, yeah, I mean. But he was cordial, respectful to every guy. And so who would test them? Like, when you build a reputation, a tough guy,

how does that happen? It's just guys test them and people find that he can knock him out, and boom, a reputation is built? You know, it was different when you're younger. You're in a bar, people drinking, getting a fight, crack the guy, or whatever, you know, that's how it was. Nothing like he was not like a guy that's golden gloves that's true. No.

But, yeah, you know, they went in the gym. Like, you know, he was good with his hands. Yeah. And Michael, they were good with their hands. Yeah. I'm just wondering, you know, the idea of if somebody crosses, you have to make sure the other side doesn't think they can do that again and again and again to you.

because if the market believed, and by the way, again, the stories, you're going to say allegedly, Stanford, who was an OG Sicilian guy, went against you, and you beat them. You know, and, you know, that was like the biggest underdog, nobody ever thought that would happen,

were the guys who are from Sicily, the OG-O-G guys came in trying to put the fear of death in you, and you didn't flinch. You're just dying to get me to talk about the I'm just telling. I'm just telling. I had nothing to do with none of that. Whether you believe me or not, I'm telling you, I had nothing to do with it. Yeah. Whatever we were charged with in court. None of it. I got, yeah, we got charged with a lot of it. We got acquitted of everything, me and my friends. This is America. You're acquitted. I got found not guilty.

And that's it. What, what, if I was to ask you, what five values do you value the most? Like, if I'm one of your brothers, I'm one of your brothers, I'm one of you, you your friends, 30 years we've been together. What's the most likelihood that these three, four, five qualities we all have? I know one of them is no tattletail, no snitching. What else would you say? Help everybody, loyal. Don't be jealous. Don't be jealous. Jealous, he's worse than cancer. Really? Tell me about don't be jealous. Don't be jealous nobody. If you got a hundred billion, God bless you. I would make 200 million. A lot of people are jealous. So in that life, what does jealousy do it. And any life has them to do with that life. Every day people jealous. How many people are jealous of you? Believe me. Oh, and they'll shake your hand. I wish you

the best. God bless you as soon as you walk away and hope you fucking die. You're pulling burns down. Your car blows up. How do you find it? How do you know what you're out? How do you figure out just so they are? It's hard to figure out, you know what I mean? But it's jealousy bad. You've been a lot of meetings. You've sat down a lot of different people. You grew up in South Philly. So you have to size people up fairly quickly. How do you size a month? Just, you feel it. I mean, I mean, believe me, I was wrong a lot too.

I was wrong a lot, you know, but jealousy bad. Yeah, you know Robert Green, I don't know if you know who he is. He wrote the book called 40 Laws of Power. Yeah. You ever heard of him? Yeah, I heard the book. Yeah. So he's a friend and he said one time, if you really want to know

how your friends feel or somebody feels in front of them, share a setback or loss and just watch their body language. If you watch them closely, you'll see a smile that they're kind of happy that you had a setback. And he says, share with them a victory. And if you watch them closely, if their face cringes a little bit, you can tell they're not happy you want. No, it's true.

It's true. Three place a sec. I don't know what the fuck they're jealous of me for. I don't know. Was there anybody over, you got jealous up or no? No, I don't. That's not even a thought you have. No, I don't know.

Is that for mom and dad or is that just... Yeah, just the way I was brought up. I wish everybody does good. Makes money, successful, health. I don't know, you know. I don't fucking hate on nobody. They all hate on us though. They hate on me.

They just hate people are sick. You see old as guys on YouTube and talk, talk about you watch it. I don't know them. I've never seen them in my life. And the media is a lot, you know, open the cheese steak place. Mm-hmm. We were starting their renovations.

It didn't even start yet. It was an old place. The window was already broke. Somebody threw a bottle in it. They put on the news. They fire, bomb the place. They're trying to kill me. It's fucking nuts.

But the media loves it. My name's Joey Merlino. Any questions you have on my neck? You want to ask me? I'm an expert in sports, gambling, restaurants. We got the best cheese steaks in Philly. Anything you want to know about Philly,

South Philly, Atlantic City. reach out and I got you. What is it with you not like in Pat's cheese steak? I mean, you know. He started with us. He said something about you guys. I know him a whole life. What happened?

His father and my father went to school together. I went to school with him. So what's the story there? Because I heard it used to be the best cheese steak. They invented the cheese steak. That's what I hear. No, he did. They invented. They've been here.

Are they still that good or? No. Now he's changing it on. No, here's what happened. happened i'm gonna clarify this because everybody saw you we're not we're not picking on him he watched the video i guess of that other fucking idiot burrolo jean beorello yeah he's borrello said in a video that snuff's a junkie which snuff was snuff had addiction problem 10 years ago he's clean 10 years snuff's a good kid i know my i grew up his father i send the rehab

down here he's very good at what he does i got him yeah I got him straight. He don't drink. He, 10 years, he's clean. He did a video and said that Snuff lives in his mother's basement. Burrilla did. Which is a lie. Snuff's got a beautiful house, beautiful wife, great family.

So this fucking idiot, Frankie Alivari from Pats, he makes a video. He started it. He makes a video and he says, the reason we chop our meat. See, when you go to Pats thing, you just put the meat on four or five pieces. Then we, we chop it. He said, we have to chop our meat because our customers have no teeth. So he said, watch the video. I got it on my phone.

He says we don't chop our meat because our customers do have teeth. What does that mean? I mean, is it older customers? He said, I don't know what the fuck he meant. So he made a video and he said, Snuff lives in his mother's basement. You know, he was BAMeth and snuff. Uh-huh.

So we came back at him because he said he invented the cheese steak, which he did. He did, he invented his family did. His grandfather. Yeah, his grandfather. Yeah. So he did. I said, yeah, you invented it. We perfected it.

I said, you know, Ford invented the car, but Rolls Royce is the best car. Not a fucking Ford. Got it. And we got the best bread. We took it to the next level. And we heard his business. We buried him. That bad.

Yeah, bad. And we have lines, the block loan. We got the lines. Wow. And that's only in Philly? Where is it at? Where's your, where's your... We're there in stadiums.

We're on Broch Street, right near the stadiums. Okay. He's on the Italian market. Him and Gino's are... Him and Gatos are... Got it. What does Gino do? He's also in cheese steak, yeah.

He's also. Yeah, he's a nice kid. I know Gino, you know, I mean, the kid, Joey, he's a good kid. We didn't go away for none of them. They fuck with us. us. Yeah. It's jealous.

We heard his business. I saw the reviews. Sometimes you guys, when you get a one-star review, I don't know who's responding, by the way. If it's not for you, it's hilarious. It's like you give me a one-star review. It's as if we took the cheese steak, we threw it at you, we stepped on it.

What do you mean at one-stuff? That's Pat Scheno's right there. Right across. Right across. If I went right now Saturday, 6 p.m., which one's going to have a bigger line? Pat's, Gino's, or your spot? My spot.

Not even close. Between the three, you're going to be... Not even close. And that's because what? Because you guys, the way you make it? Yeah. We got the best. We got the best cheese steak.

How real is this? Because, you know, is this steak, you know, the Philly cheese steak? Is this a real war? Because the people outside of Philly don't know how important. This is political. Yeah. This is spiritual. This is like a religious...

We don't fuck with none of them but him. He doesn't want to start it with us. But we buried him. I had a guy last week. I'll show you the video. I'll give it to you. You can put it up. The guy came with no teeth.

with no teeth. Which are typically past customers. He said, all are. And I told him, I said, you were right. Our customers don't need teeth. Our meat's so tender. You don't need teeth to eat it. And the guy ate the steak.

Guy said, it was the best thing you're right. This is last week. A customer came in a couple weeks ago? Yeah, when I was in Philly, he was like, a week of half ago. So, I'll show you the video. So Borrello, what's the story? I heard something about Barrello said something.

If you come to New York, he's going to send somebody, a big guy came. What was that all about? I have no idea. I don't know him. He's a fucking nut. I don't know him. If he woke up, oh, I know what he looks like now. I don't know him.

He's a fucking nut. There's no relation. Like, you guys don't know each other at all. I never seen him in my life. Is he a New York guy or is he a... I have no idea. Look at Florida. He lives here now.

Yeah, Florida. Okay. All I know is he beats girls up. That's it. Beats the shit out of him and gets away of it. Interesting. And makes cheese steak? Or he doesn't make...

No, you don't make cheese steak. Yeah. He just beats girls up. He was part of the Bonano family. He says, I don't know him. I don't know him from a cane of paint. Got it. I know he's from New York. That's it. The Philly against New York, right? There's this pride. You talk to New York, you know, level of toughness versus Philly.

What's the difference? Who's tougher, in your opinion, between the two? Listen, I mean, I was in jail with guys from New York. They're all good guys. I mean, there's no. So, I mean, there's no tougher. A lot of good men, Philly and New York. From New York. And there was a lot of big guys from Villian New York.

Who would you time with? Who were some of the names he the time with that maybe I'd know? No, you know, none of them, none of these rats? You know what's funny when I was in jail? Well, my time, I was never with Italians. They always shipped me. my list I got 14 years they sent me to Beaumont Texas USP Beaumont and a guy used to write me it was funny you know kids from a neighbor write me you know hey you're in there with

anybody any Italians I said no there there was no Italians in there me and the kids text me write me back he says it's a shame there's nobody I said 11 Italians put me here 10 Italians put me in this fucking jail all the people test fight against me so don't you know I don't go by that. Tang shit, this shit. If you're a good guy, you're a good guy. Hmm. And you travel anywhere.

You go anywhere. You go anywhere. When's the last time you were in Philly? Last week. I'm going back this week. When you go there, what's the, how do they receive you? They love us. They love the cheese steak place.

I stay there all day. We work. We stay to roll. I take pictures with everybody. I talk to everybody. I feel safe. You're not worried about anything happening. No.

We're all the time. Sit outside. Well, once the weather gets nice, we sit outside, so we love it. The people love us, they support us. They really do support us.

They love us. Why do you think that is? We're good people. It's got to be. And we got a good cheese steak. The steak's good. You got to come. You don't have any spots here yet.

Are you planning ever to do anything or now? Yeah, I'm going to start, we're going to start franchises, I think. We're in a process now. We're opening one in Trichester. That's like a half hour from us, different part of Philly. It should be just waiting for the permits. That should be open in maybe a couple months.

And we're going to go in the Wallwood, we're going to think about going to Wallwood, New Jersey for the summer. It's a nice spot. Yeah. So nothing you're coming down. It's going to be mainly that area is where you're thinking about. I looked in Boca. Boca's hard. Like I was telling the guys, everybody in Boca's on a Zepic, they don't need, fuck eats a poker.

Everybody in focus on a Zepic. They're on Zepic. I'm talking. So you need an area where people are going to eat. Yeah. You guys just got a new mayor, by the way. I don't know if you saw that. You got a new mayor that won by one vote.

Did you hear about this? Natalie. Yeah, you got a new Democrat mayor. Andy Thompson has officially declared the new mayor of Boca Raton, and Andy won by one vote. A new vote. That vote would have counted. Look at that.

That's crazy. How many votes does it say? The recount? Now it's six. Five votes. Yeah. So, congrats on your new mayor.

There's a Florida Democratic Party chair and said Thompson's victory in Boca Raton is adding political momentum to Democrats leading up to this year's midterm elections. Were you ever involved politically with different candidates? Were you ever? No. I love Trump. They said I fixed the election with Joe Biden and that was bullshit. Oh, the $3 million that you allegedly got paid $3 million to Biden?

Yeah. I can't see you helping Joe Biden. I don't know. Joe doesn't look like your type of a guy. Trump's the best of their picture, that they made a big deal about that. When we were in, I went Kauffam. We were in, um, the Trump, they're not, you know, in Palm Beach.

He took a picture with 400 people. Everybody came up, he took a picture. We took, they made a big thing. And I don't know a fucking, motherfucker, Jake Tapper will see, he did it like, he did a thing at night. For 15 minutes, he talked about me in Trump. Saying what?

Saying he's hanging out. My whole record and I and the guy was the front page of the daily news of Philly the same shit and I called the next day I told him I said now I want to talk to the guy who wrote the article he said you know I don't the lawyer said don't curse so I said you're going to care and I told him my fucking lie I said he took picture of everybody he didn't know who I was a hundred people had no idea who you were no a hundred people went up them took the picture shook his hand he did it with everybody they try to act like you know they try to they hate him they hate him too Did you ever have any relation with him back in the days?

He's not a Philly guy, though. No. No. I mean, no of them. You never met him outside of that picture you guys have never met before. Never. Got him. But they make a big thing about it.

Yeah. They hate him. They do the same thing. They did the mate. They did him. Yeah. Look, he had fucking, he had more cases than me. Look, yeah, fucking.

What's it? 91, 93. I don't know what the number is. He fucking gets indicted every week. Leave the fucking guy alone. Yeah. But that was the thing at the golf club. I said, you didn't know what the fuck I was.

Who told us? story about the fact that you got paid $3 million to help Biden now. It came out. Who spread that story? Something in a Buffalo paper, some Buffalo newspaper. Oh, a little. Like, they're saying who paid you? Like, Biden paid you $1 million?

Like, they said, I went to Philly and made Biden win, and I made $3 million. I made $3 million. Up into bizarre Philly election fraud conspiracy attorney for former Philly Mafioso, categorically denies, bogus story. we go a little bit lower rap this is five years ago yeah and then they they call my lawyer they wanted to talk to my lawyer but i said by it and fuck about it the first time i wasn't allowed to vote i the last election i voted not 2020 no so but what are they saying like how would you help them out they're nuts fucking fake news yeah with three million they said i want to philly

and pay people some fucking ballots i don't know what the f i don't know if they were talking about. Do an associate Joe Merlino might just be willing to flip on Joe Biden and the Pennsylvania political operatives who ordered up to 300,000 election ballots? Mark for Biden, the source alleges that Merlino and the lean team of associate manufactured those ballots at a rate of $10 a ballot at a whopping $3 million for three days of work. And meanwhile, I think I was on parole for the, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for,

I couldn't even travel, Philly. I wish I made three million. Trump would have won. If I would have never fuck fuck Biden. and one Biden, and he roamed the whole country. What do you think about when Biden won? Did you have an opinion about that when he won? Yeah, it was right.

How'd he went. The guy never, Trump was everywhere. He came out three times. He'd come in. Yeah. How'd fuck he went? Did he ask you, if, if there is a mob, you know, and if a president needed help, you know,

winning an election? Because you know, when you hear the story about John F. Kennedy and, what was it, Chicago? What was the city that they went to Mayor Dewey? If I'm not mistaken. Is it Dewey? I'm saying it correctly, seven or eight thousand votes

and apparently helped them win. You know, why is there a history of, you know, politicians going and teaming up with mobsters to help them out with elections? Why do you think there is? I don't know. I don't know.

What do you think about the mob? Like, when you... No mob to me. There's no mob. But when you hear these... Talk about something else. You don't think there's nothing like... No.

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These are all movies. These are all fake, inspired movies. They got UFO shows. They're UFOs? Yeah. So you don't believe UFOs exist. No. So the same way UFOs don't exist.

You don't believe the mob exists. Right. So you don't think Scarfo was a boss of the Philadelphia Crime family. Who was he? Who was Scarfo to you? Who was he? It was a nice guy. Thank you.

It was a good guy. That's it. That's it. You said one time he said, I like Nicky. He was always on time. He was. He was. That could have a lot of different meetings.

No, no, he was always, if you had to be there 5 o'clock, he'd be there a quarter, 4.45. Really? Yeah. That's just the way he was. Well, I think that's distrust if I tell you, I'm going to meet you 5 o'clock tonight, I'm I come six. You don't think that's disrespect? I don't know if I would have seen him as a guy that would show up on time. No, he was old time.

Early. I'm early, yeah. How much time did you spend with him? A lot. I mean, I know him. What was his strength? He was a good man. When I was a kid, he had a,

what the fuck he had. 86. El Dorado, convertible, you know, the big one. And he came to Philly. I don't know what, he came to Philly for something. And he gave me the car for the weekend. How old were you? 14.

He gave you the car for the weekend. Yeah. Why would? He gave me 200 to put gas in it. 200 back then was like fucking... 200 to put gas? Yeah. I drove around.

I had it... I called it was little. It had the electric seat. I had to put a pillow. We drove around for three days. Had the roof down. Had girls in the car. Yeah, it was red.

It was red with white seats. It was older than that. So he gets... So what's the relation with him and your father? They were friends. Okay. Got it. Got it.

Got it. It was the older, all the router, not that one. The big one. 76. 76. 76. No, 76. That's it.

Yeah, it was red. The other one, the other one, the second one, the red one. Yeah, it was red with white seats. Wow. Beautiful. So were there rumors ever that your father was a maid man or no? No, not that I know. It was my father.

I mean the paper, just they say what they want. Look, they said I fixed the election. No. How good of a poker player are you? Poker, I stink. Really? What's your game? What do you get at? I like blackjack, I like gin.

I like gin. Like gin rummy? Yeah, I love it. Really? Yeah. Like 13 card, 11 car, Gen Romney. Yeah. You're good at Gen Romney.

Yeah. How about backgammon? Back on it. Back on, no. Chess, I'm pretty good in. Back on the other. Yeah, Jim Rummy. We play, yeah.

Favorite games? Yeah. Heart, spades. Yeah. But poker, I'm horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Like old and fucking broken free hands.

I don't have any patience. You need patience. You need patience. We have a lot of patience for poker. So that's- My friend, my friend won the World Series Lisher, Grindr. Wow.

Good player? He won the World Series of poker? I mean, is he, like, is he, because there's a different game. He's got five bracelets. Hold, though, because he's a phenomenal. Yeah, they put him in, they, he won that and they put him in the,

I think, the whole of, the whole thing. Really? He's all over now playing. And you guys play, you used to play with him. No, I can't play with him. He's good, he's good. He'll take your money. Yeah.

You know, people don't realize. You've got to have stamina to play that. No question about it. He won it last year. He was, yeah. I mean, they played 10, 12 hours a day. I don't even know if it's healthy for you. No.

Can you imagine like, what do you do for a living? I sit down for 10 to 12 hours and I take money from guys in Vegas. And I'm poker players. That's fucking weird glasses, headphones. Yeah. Oh, you have to be able to do it. It's, yep, you have to, there's an element of being mentally and emotionally tough to be able to do that. So gambling.

Was it from the beginning that you were interested in it? Because you're... Our whole neighborhood gambling. On what? Any fucking thing. Listen, when I was a kid, my mother had a, my mother. She had like 70 ladies come over. They played poker in the house.

She was good. Mom was good. Yeah, mom played like, oh, they played poker. Right. And they'd be in the house. The fucking ceiling was in the house. Fucking Roehm. They all be smoking.

And I'd be like, you know, fucking smoke. I was like eight. And they're like, shut the fuck up. You like a girl. It's only smoke. I mean, which shot I have. Fucking gambling, smoking. It's funny.

But that's how we grew up. Yeah, I mean, that's how we grew up. There was hangouts on every corner. Yeah. You know, all guys playing peanutkel, gin, poker. And it's just the way we grew up. Yeah, I grew up in a family that they would do. The whole smoking thing you were talking about, I totally relate.

In Iran, six, seven, eight years old, that smelled, you just can't even read. 20 people in the house. They're playing gin, Rami. Our house was. A Rami house. Everybody will play Rami. Yeah. Nonstop. So then for you, it stuck with you.

Stuck. They have football pools. You pick four teams a dollar. You win $10. My friend Donnie lived across the street. His family, we were close. His father, I hit a pool, my first one I played. That was football, yeah.

But, I mean, that's just the way we start. What's the craziest thing you ever bet on? I mean, I've been on fights. None crazy fights. Horses. Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer. So did you follow the story with Chauncey Billups saying the mob, you know, came in, NBA, a lot of players were involved. I see they got locked up.

What is this? Because I've had Tim Donahan on as well. And, you know, he had his old friend, what was his name, Tommy? I think, I don't know what the guy's name was. Was it Tommy? Was he tied to Tim Donah here typing Tim Donnie and Tommy? I want to say the guy's name was Tommy. Yeah, Tommy from Philly.

to the motherfucker. Who? Tim? The ref, the ref, the NBA? Yeah, he told too. Did you know him? No. No, but he's from Philly, I think.

No, he is from Philly. He's for sure from Philly. Yeah, I didn't know him. I was away when that happened. Did you know Jack, Batista or no? No. So none of the guys who was tied to, you knew? No, I never seen him.

So what do you think about you? I wish I didn't know if I get the games from. He would say it was really two free throws, one or two fouls that could change the game. game because it was momentum and frustration for the opponent and you could get them to kind of change the game but uh what do you think about the alleged mob ties to the NBA recent gambling you know allegations why is it always the mob though I mean I don't get it the biggest the this fandol and this what the fucking fan doll they got that one yeah if we did what they're doing

I probably get the electric chair. This is going to be the biggest epidemic ever is this gambling with kids. Listen, you ain't seen none yet. Legal gambling. It's worse. Yeah, legal. Well, they call it legal.

Because they got a license. Yeah. They pay the government, so they're good. We do it. We go to jail. They got 12, 13-year-old kids. It's going to be worse than crack. Listen to me.

Mark my words. This is 2020. Watch, not a couple of years. Tell me why. Because every kid's gambling. 13, 14 years old, steal their mother's credit card, opening an account.

What you're going to do is go on the phone. Know what they're losing? Forget it. Yes, it's going to be worse than crack. Worst than crack. Yeah, watch. Okay, so. And they promote it.

Listen, you watch a football game. Right. Every fucking commercial, the stadiums, sure. Bandle bet. Yes. They tell you, listen, you bet, bet $5.

That Patrick Mahomes is going to have one passing yard. So they're giving you a free bet. You win 300. Now you win the 300, then you start betting it's over. Downhill. That's like a guy saying, come to my corner, I'm going to give you free crack. I'm giving you crack. Show try it.

Then they try it while. It's great to come back. You've seen a lot, though. You've seen a lot with kids getting addicted to drugs, alcohol, gambling. The gamble is going to be worse than normal. Again, I want to know why, though. They got them addicted. But you're not going to die from that.

You're going to die from drugs. You're going to die from alcohol. Yeah. You could die. But they're going to go to jail. They're going to get jammed up because of the gambling. So they might go sell drugs. They might go rob a house.

They might go rob a bank. But the only reason they're doing is for the gambling. They're paid so they can gamble. Right. Like I went to jail. I robbed an armor car. I robbed them for gambling. I just didn't fucking rob the armor car because I wanted to.

I got the money. I went gamble. I lost it in the fucking one weekend. How much wasn't that? How much wasn't the armor? The fucking idiot for the wrong bag. It was only 350 something thousand. $350,000.

It was supposed to be $5 million. He threw the wrong bag out. He threw the wrong bag out. Yeah. Yeah. It's true story. What's supposed to be $5 million, but only $350,000? Yeah.

And the bag was this big. We'd $100,000. I thought it was $8 million. It was all $1,000. How much time did you do for that? I got four years. How did you get caught? Both guys who did it.

The two guys who set the whole thing that did it told on me. and I went to jail. The two guys that set it up to do it, you went to jail. They didn't do any time. And you got to die. But they knew that, the Fed knew that they did it. They were involved.

And so they didn't do any time because they rat it on you. I went to jail. How many people have ratted on you over the years? Fuck. I mean, I don't have a tough time. I don't know. A lot. I get them all out of jail.

All you got to do is say, Joe, he told me to do it. Let's see what you're saying when he said. You get them all out of jail. Listen, I got a letter. I did a podcast in my lawyers over. Said Jacobs, best lawyer in the world. Save my life. Best, best lawyer.

A rat. I was away in FDC. Roger Vela. This other motherfucker. He's right, me. I miss you, you know, the bullshit. So this guy, Pete the Crum gets locked up. Everybody who told them me didn't get locked up with me.

Like, it ain't like me and you robbed the bank. You know, I mean, you rob the bank. Boom, you went home, you say, yeah, I'm going to tell him Joe. They got called for something else they did. This guy, Pete gets locked up in Jersey. I don't fucking kill more people than fucking, I don't have any people he killed. Pizza crumb. Yeah.

He decides to cooperate on me. So the kid, Roger Vela, writes me a letter. I'm in jail. I'm in the hole. Writes me a letter. He said, they make it so easy for you for these guys. guys, all you got to do is say Joey Merlino told me to do it. You go to jail and they go home.

I got the letter from him. Fares forward two years later, he gets locked up for murder. What'd he do? Same playboy. Say Joey told me to do it. He's facing the debt penalty. He got, he got 10 years. Just to say Joey did it.

Yeah. And they never charged me with it, my friend, because they know he was lying. That made him fucking out of that lie. But that's how easy he is. That's how easy they made it. Listen, you read the paper, you see like, you take bits of pizza and you'd say it. Listen, Bruce Cutler, I mean, great lawyer, he said the worst thing is a half truth. A what?

Worse than it is half a truth. Half a truth. Like half of it's true and half is not. Right. It's fucking dangerous. I mean, that's how easy they make it for them. There's got to be, they've got to come up with a law. They've got to do something with this.

But now the people are starting to say it, though. I mean, it's just crazy. How much total time did you do? It's one of two years. Total 22 years. Yeah, between jail, half, half, house, 22 years. Wow. And that 22 years is how many times going away? Going away. Case in Lenick City. You got seven years. That case was over. Phil Leonetti, he didn't tell you

about that in his book. I went away for his mother. Ljini's mother? Yeah. What was that for? We were in a bar. It was, it wasn't a club. It was a restaurant, the lead-off. It was like a restaurant, Like bar, you know, older crowd, we were young. And we were in her, and she was with me at the bar, and these three guys came over, and they didn't stop. Like, they were big. I was fucking little. And they kept on, you want to dance, you want to dance,

and I, you know, told the guy not. She's here with me, leave her a fuck alone, you know. And she had a few drinks. I went to break, came out, she's dancing. I, you know, went to a fucking fight broke out. And the guy would have cared. I went to jail for it. He never said that in his book.

Who was dancing? His mother? Yeah. Alito Restaurant. August, 1982 at 20. Marlino and Salvatore Scafidi, son of the bookmaker, beat and stabbed two male patrons at Lido Restaurant in Atlantic City. Marlino was found guilty on two counts,

aggravated assault and one count possession of weapon for unlawful purpose. And where's Leonetti's mother involved in this? No, she wasn't, I mean, that's how the fight started over her. Got it. She didn't get locked up and on it. Of course, yeah. And what did Leonetti say about this when he found out? No, he knew right up in the next day, though, like, we got to fight.

But what did he say to you? What's it like, hey, thank you? Oh, yeah, yeah, he was, yeah, fuck him, you know, yeah, he was, which we, you know, was right. They were Boblin's mother, but she was juiced up. But he didn't put that in his book. Where was the main falling up with you on Leonetti? There was no falling out. He went to jail.

I never seen him again. You're not complimentary of him. No, he's a fucking, he's a piece of shit. But, I mean, there was never no falling out. He went to jail. He got pinched with my father and them. Then he never got out. You know, I mean, I never seen him again.

Yeah. So your biggest thing for a person to go from zero to piece of shit is cooperating. Once that happens, done. I mean, what's his book, Mafia Prince? They don't want to go to Jill. That's the main thing. Did he ever cooperate against you or no?

Did he ever rat on you or no? No. So there is no direct conflict between the two of you. No. Yeah, because he calls, he says Merlino, he's the only guy that said this. He said, Merlino is the worst human being in the world. He said that in the interview.

Yeah. He's the fucking worst. He killed He killed his best friend Vince Falcone And then married his wife Married his girlfriend He killed his best friend

Yeah, he don't tell you all that And then tried to blame his uncle He was in love with a girl, Gina I forget her name Gina And me, he going back fucking 40 years ago His best friend was Vince Falcone Vince was a cement guy

They were in business Like you know concrete cement whatever the fuck he did he was in love with vince's girl he killed Vince blamed his uncle his uncle they got acquitted of it and then married the girl and he's a nice guy and then married her Gina yeah married her Gina and she went to program with him now the story is that Nikki ordered that hit though that's that's what he wants to say no he was in love with the girl It's true. I mean, he married her.

He went in the program. He took her with her. He wants to blame his uncle. His uncle had done to do it. And he robbed those uncles' money. And the family jewelry, you know, like his, Nikki's wife's fucking jewelry,

his kid's jewelry. Him and his mother went. Yeah, I remember when we did the interview with Phil, his lawyer, very good guy. We've talked many times, nice guy. They came in and we sat down. It was the only interview where he didn't want his face

and voice to be shown. Only one. And we agreed to the face, but not the voice. So I don't know if you saw the interview. No. Yeah. His face is not shown. He wears a wig, the motherfucker.

If you tap him from Indianetti, you'll see it the way it was done. And Rob, I give you permission to show it with ads sense so you were fast forward a little bit Rob just go to right there right that was yeah that's how it was when we did the interview you didn't want nobody to see him yeah he didn't want anybody see him they were fucking not he never told you that though he married the girl then he blamed his uncle yeah they all got the same story the bottom line is they don't want to go to jail that's it soon as the handcuffs come on it's over with

but he but directly he's never done anything bad to you no directly but he's a he's a he's a He's a scumbag. Look what he did to his uncle. He robbed his uncle. When you say that, how did he rob him? How did he steal money from his uncle? You were saying, Nicky, Scarful. He's done one from him.

Before he went in the program, he was in Lewisburg. The mother was living there. He told the mother, get all the money. They robbed it. I guess he knew where his uncle's jewelry. How much money was it? I had no idea. Is it in the millions?

Like real money? Yeah, a couple of million, they said. And he took all the money. And then he went, he got out, buried his poor uncle. took the family, whatever his wife and kids that took everything. And he blamed his uncle for the murder that he fucking did, and he married the fucking girl. Was Nikki a similar model guy like you that he never talked to anybody,

never met with the feds, never did anything? Was Nicky like that as well? Who, Nikki, yeah. Scarfo. Who, never, yeah. Was he locked, like, you couldn't get nothing out of him? No, Nicky was a good man. Yeah, he was a man.

Who are people you see that way? Not too many today. Would you say John Gotti Sr. Was like that? Yeah, yeah, John, I mean, I don't know him personally, but he was... You're a complimenter of him, John Gotti. Yeah, 100%. You guys never met him, you guys never, you never did anything together.

No. Did you ever meet a Frank Collada or no? You know who Frank Collada is? It was with Tommy Spilatra from Vegas. There was a part of a Chicago faction that they moved to Vegas. So you were purely... At that time when you were doing business deals, going anywhere else or is just purely focused on Philly?

No, I still live in Philly. I don't know anything. I don't know none of these guys. Yeah, he was one of the coldest guys I ever interviewed. Um, he died in August 2020. The only informants I knew about all these guys is Leonetti and Ralph. The only ones you know were those two. Yeah.

Got it. Like all these other guys that are on shows and social media to talk about me. I never seen him. Never was in jail with them. Never was in, never seen him in a restaurant, never seen him nowhere. What's the best compliment you ever got? What's the best compliment some of these guys give you? Compliment? Compliment. People don't do what you're doing. So it's the people tell me. No, what I mean is compliment is like in your eyes, what is the best compliment another man you respect can give you in your eyes? Like, what is a compliment that Sonny or Nicky would say about you to say that's a real compliment in your eyes? I don't know.

I never thought of it. Is it more loyalty? Is it more, you know, feared? Is it more what you do to people? Is it more keeping your word? What would it be? What would, like, if I'm your son and I'm saying, Dad, what's the best compliment? Another man you respect can give you.

What would you say it is? Keep your word. Keep your word. Your word. Your words, and so what you got is your word. Right. I mean, for real. When you were a kid growing up, did you have somebody you looked up to, a role model?

You're like, I want to be like this guy when I grow up? Nah. I mean, like the old, like, we hung out with kids and were in the school. Like, we were like 11, they were like 14. So they were like old ahead, like the old head, you know, we looked left by that. I mean, just tough guys. Yeah, tough guys, good athletes. We played every sport.

Played baseball hockey. I played ice hockey, football. I mean, every sport. Who was like a name, like even at that time? Was there anybody you looked up to that ended up being somebody? No. I mean, like athletes we loved, you know, always wanted to be a baseball player.

Who was your guy? Oh, I mean, football zonka for the dolphins. Zonka. I was like, you know, basketball players. When they're everybody, like, all the kids want to be like Jordan, you know what I mean? Like, just like shit like I got. Who was baseball for you?

I mean, you said football, but I thought you said something about baseball. Yeah, we had, like, I mean, Mike Smith, Mike Schmidt, Mike Schmidt, wow, makes sense. Yeah, Larry Bowie, you know. Got it, so all local. Yeah, it all local. Got it. It was a lot of baseball players. Hockey, Bobby Clark, that was my auto.

Yeah. Flyers. I was a kid when they won the cup. They won two years in a row, I think. Yeah, he was great, Bobby Clark. That was my first jersey, number 16. No, that's not the Bobby Clark. It's a different Bobby Clark.

Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. Ice hockey, yeah, I played. It was my favorite sport. Really? So today is my favorite sport. Ice hockey.

Ice hockey. Who else played ice hockey? All my friends. We all played. We played in Jersey like we used to play. Yeah, that was my favorite sport. How'd you get introduced to ice hockey? It was right over the bridge.

We loved it. We played street hockey. Like, oh, you know, they didn't have rollerblades, and it was roller skates. Then we went to ice gates. Yeah, I love hockey. Great a sport. You see what they did to the fucking, the American hockey team?

They hate them. Fuck, they hate them for it. Just because they went to the White House and, yeah. What's that girl's name? I hate her, the soccer player. Rapone? Rapone?

Rapino, what is she? She looks like she's dying. You look at her. She got balls. She got fucking balls. Just look at her. You don't think she's attractive? You don't think she's sexy because they,

motherfucker. It looks like she's dead. Another six months. She'd be dead a year. And she buried the hockey team. Yeah. She hates, there was another one. She hates Trump.

They hate this country. How do you deal with these guys? I mean, I'm assuming you love America. I love America. Yeah. They hate this country. How do you think they get to the point of hating the country that made them who they are? I don't know.

They all complain. They all, they don't want to stand up for the national anthem. Fuck, leave. Go back to where you're from. Yeah. He wore your money back and go back where you're from. Go play over there. Do you have an opinion on what's going on right now with Iran?

Do you see what's going on with Iran with Trump and what he's in? How do you feel about what he's doing? They did the right fucking thing. They've been trying to kill us for 47 years. So you're supportive. I've been doing what he's doing. They're killing all the 50-plus guys. Yeah, fuck them.

You know, apparently they killed another guy yesterday. Yesterday. You know about that? The chief intel guy. Yeah, he got it yesterday. That's like the director of their CIA. He was battle yesterday. He told Trump, you won't be around too long.

We're coming after you. Yeah. Israel says it killed Iran's top security leader as Tehran Target's U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. Listen, they've been killing it. Well, fucking Carter. He was, I mean, They killed the Marines.

They killed them. I mean, they, they've been fucking bomb on us for fucking years. They gave him, he gave him the warning, what was it, eight months ago? That's it. All they had to do is say, we're not nuclear weapons. They didn't want to do it. They don't want to do it. They don't want to do it.

Other way, you know, I'm sure you see the Epstein stuff that's coming up. Yeah. How did you guys, how did guys, was there ever somebody who was a pedophile in South Philly? And if yes, how did you guys deal with them? I mean, no, not that we know. know of like if they might have got like locked up and then we never seen anything happened where a guy 40 year old guy raped a 13 year old girl was there any stories like that I mean you heard a shit read in the paper no not in our neighborhood

not in your neighborhood no that was a known like if if somebody did what would have happened no beat him the fuck up they should cut their bowls off of things do you think some of that needs to return some of that fear in communities to where you can't act like that yeah look what they do to these kids they fucking rape You gotta be a sick, motherfucker, to rape kids. I mean, you really do. I agree.

They should cut their balls off. That should be a new policy. Yeah. Proposed to the president. Yeah. And Jill, they're so protected in jail. You have no idea. Who, pedophiles?

What? Protected? Protected. Now, there's different levels. Like, in a penitentiary, they can't come in. There's all different levels. There's USP, pentatantry. That's high.

And you got, well, you got the, the access to supervements. But you got the penitentiaries, and you got medium, they can't go there. Low, they could go. The lows are full of pedophiles. And if you hit one of them,

you get five years. It's a hate crime. If you hit one of the pedophile, that's five years. If I hit just say, Joe blows here, I know he's a pedophile. Yeah, you rape it, and I crack him, it's a hate crime. Now, if you crack anybody else, what do you get?

Nothing. No, you go to home. So a guy gets in. If you hit a petalphal. You're getting five years. Like, is this serious, Joe? You're 100%. Are you, that's insane.

Insane. Yeah, they protect. There's so many of them. She's like years ago, one or two got caught. Now with the internet, I guess they fucking do all this fucking traffic in, whatever it fuck. They lock fucking thousands of them up. There's thousands of them in the jails. Well, what I hear is if you're a pedophile and you rape the kid, you go to jail, they kill you, they destroy you.

So those guys were untouchable. No, they're in Lowe's. They can't go to camp because of safety reasons, so they keep them in Lowe. I was in Coleman Lowe. There might be 1,900 inmates, 1,500 or pedophiles. And the other 300 are rats. 1,500 are pedophiles? Yeah, there's pedophile.

And so when a guy comes in and he's a pedophile, and you guys know, what happens? Is it like, don't touch him, don't mess with them, Don't look at them, not told them. Do they come to, try to talk to before you? No, you get the fuck out. Don't even, yeah, don't sit there. Us, but they got, one thing about Jill, if a guy walks in, just wait, wait three days, just watch him. Whatever he is, he'll find his own element.

Three days. Three days. If he's a, if he's gay, he'll find gays. He'll be seen with the gays. If he's a pedophile, he'll be sent with the pedophiles. He's a rat. He'll be seen with their rats. He's a Christian who'll go with the Christians.

If he's a stand-up guy, he'll be the stand-up guys. That's it. It's like an X-ray machine. You see it. It's crazy. No, it's nuts. Wow. So naturally, you're going to gravitate towards your heart.

Find your level, yeah. Were there a lot of gays in prison? A lot undercover, yeah. Not too many. You know, like not flaming ones, but yeah, there's something, you know. And they find each other. Yeah, they find each other. No, it's nuts.

Do they get their asses an end to them or no? No, I don't leave it. They don't bother it. So if you beat up a, pedophile, you get five years you get if you beat up? Nothing. So you can beat up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So they don't support, so the jails don't protect the pays. They call the hate crime. If you hit a pedophile, I am still shocked by this. Yeah, the BOP. This is a law like by the BOP. Now, I'm going by, no, I was, one wayst I was here, 2019 when I was away. I don't know if they changed it.

I don't think they did. There's too many of them. There's so many of them, yeah, they protect you. That's interesting to saying South Philly, um, when you were there, no stories of pedophilia, no rape, nothing like that. Was it just a fear? Like, if you're going to do anything, don't do it here.

I don't know. I mean, nobody likes battlefields. I mean, unless it happened when we didn't know, you know what I mean? But I never, not really, like, at our neighbor. Epstein, what do you think about the whole Epstein situation? You know, the story? Did you ever have any... Know anything about him? Do you ever know the name? I mean, I heard the name. I read it. Long time ago. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know them.

Okay. What do you think about... Right at playing Trump with him. The fuck Trump got to them. Bill Clinton was at his house more than him. No, they're all sick. They're all sick fucking people. They all got billions of dollars. They're all sick.

They should cut all the balls off. They should fucking, for real. It's a lot of balls. Yeah. I mean, but they hit it all. They hit it all. All or they're crimes. Yeah.

If that was me, they would have got hung, dead, be dead. That's why I said. There's different set of rules for different people. What's the luck the feds are watching this podcast? Oh, they're probably watching them. You might get indicted with me. Is there any fed, is there any, is there any, Are there any feds that became friends?

No. Never. Yeah, has anybody tried to like befriend you come, hey, you know, Joey, we were bad to you, we were this, we would... No. None of them. No. If they tried, you're not... I won't slow with them. Hey, Joey, let's go out dinner, man. Remember 30 years? Never. Nothing.

No, never. Who will you not have dinner with? So it's, who else is like a for you? Because you're a black and white guy. Who is somebody that from the previous life, hey, let's try to rekindle, you know, et cetera? No feds, no rats, no child molesters. I really don't know child molesters, but that's it. Like I said, you want a job at the cheese steak?

As long as you're not a rat and chowmester, we'll hire you tomorrow. But I tell them, you got to bring your paperwork, because you've got to show it. I don't know your case. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, there was a guy that apparently was part of a crew in Philly

nickname was Gorilla with the pagan Oh Gorilla, yeah, I know Gorilla. Gorilla. Tough guy. I think apparently one time he got shot 18, 19 times and he still made it. I know Gorilla.

Yeah. He's old now. I don't know. I mean, he looks like if you pull up his, that's the one right there, Rob. Stephen Gorilla, if you pull up his picture to see what it looks like, this is not somebody you'll ever forget

when you see him. Go to images. Go to the picture. bottom left picture, bottom left. Yeah, you're right. Friendly guy, yeah. So he ran a crew. A couple of the other guys, there was a,

there was a crew that ran by, I'm trying to see who this was. Anyways, it was an African-American, some other gang that were leaders there as well. Allegedly, based on my contacts from Philly, there was a massive mutual respect towards you. with them. Why did these other crews respect you the way they did? I, he's my friend. I mean, I get along with all of them.

They come to Cheese Day Place, they support us. South Philly, everybody sports everybody, believe it or not. They support everybody. Yeah. They got a lot of good people in South Philly. Is that part of the DNA? If you're South Florida, you've got to help you win? Yeah, I mean, we all look out for each other. Who's known as the most successful guy that came out of South Philly? Is there like a name? Because you know in Boston, you see how Mark Wahlberg is protective of Boston, Dana White, there's a lot of pride for Boston.

Yeah, Boston. Who are the names? Who are the names from South Philly? Ain't too many. South Philly. We'll fucks from South Philly. That made it. Frank Dio have a lot of, I'm...

Okay. Bobby Rydell. The Geter, yeah, Bobby Rydell, the Geter, Jerry Blavitt. Do you know? So not a lot of names. Yeah, not a lot of things. Why is that?

Why is that that no... Not a... Fuck else. I can't think of nobody. I mean, you think of Philly, South Lays, He's Stallone Rocky, you know, but he's not from South Philly. He's not from. I think he's from Philly though, right?

Rocky. Where's, where's, uh, Stallone's from? He's a good guy. He's very good. Yeah. He's down here as well. Yeah. He bought the house I looked at.

It's a beautiful house. The guy who built the house, is he from South Philly? New York. City of Manhattan, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the house he bought the realtor who was, Show me the house, started telling me the story about the house. He says, you know, I bought this from my girlfriend.

And she was going to take care of my art collection. Very, very good storyteller. The guy was. And then we looked at the house. I'm like, yeah, I don't know if we're going to live in Manalapan. It's a great area. Yeah, it's a beautiful. But he has a beautiful home. Last thing I'll tell you before a wrap up. The reason why I brought Sonny up to you is the following. Is a good friend of mine who, again, Philly. You got a lot of friends. I do, man. I do I just get along. I was in a military.

I'm a guy that's been doing business in every state for the last 25 years insurance, finance business. And I like stories. I like hearing people's upbringing and learning about what they're doing. He says, Pat, let me tell you why this is going to be a different interview for you with Joey.

He says, I know Joey. He says, I grew up. He says, their crew path is, this is the word he used, impenetrable. He says, no one's ever going to say anything. You have to realize. No one's ever going to say anything. He says, you can ask 50 different questions.

Joey's not going to tell you nothing. Okay? And he says, everyone's like that. He says, and by the way, this is what we love them when we lived in South Philly. And he got in a lot of trouble. He was part of a couple smaller crews, but a lot of respect for the guys. And the reason why I brought up Sonny is you have no idea how hard I tried to interview Sunny. I'd go visit.

He would sit down. We would have great conversations. By the way, he was 100, 200, 200, and 300 and 3 years old. he could still remember things. He would tell the girls at the place, hey, Mary, come here, Mary, fix my hair. I got to look good for Patrick. Come fix my hair.

Grab the comb. Why are you going the other way? I told, Sonny, I'm coming, Sunny. And then she would come, grab the comb, fix his hair, and, you know, I'm like, so Sonny, when are we going to sit down so you can tell this story? Patrick, what do you want me to do? The only thing I have is the fact that I never talk. 55 years I did time.

You want me to go tell the... I said, Sonny, if you don't tell the story, the market's going to tell your story in a way that's their version, not the truth. He says, I can't do nothing about that. You're going to have to kill me, bury me, I'm going with my story, and I'm not going to talk about anything.

Three times, Joey, I went to him. We're driving, and we're going to the stallion spot. I have this expedition. He's sitting ready. I got the whole crew behind me. And I said, so, Sonny, what was Lucky like? great guy, family guy, honest guy, very good guy. I said, Meyer Lansky, what was Meyer like? I heard he was a billionaire.

He made a lot of money. Deals in Cuba. I don't know about any of that stuff. All I know is he was a standing guy. He was a very good guy. I said, what was Bugsy like? He says, you would never call him Bugsy to his face. I said, well, what was Ben like, Ben Siegel?

Stand-up guy, great guy, you know, same thing. And this pattern kept continuing. We're together that day for two or three out, three and a half hours. and eventually I walked away. We never got the interview. But I walked away and I said, by the way, some person faked him. I went there and they set up a camera. He had no idea it was being interviewed.

And they interviewed him. They put him up like a 13-minute podcast. Somebody did with the father, Sunny Francis. I walked away. I said, here's a guy. The stories. One time a guy's in his house flirts with his wife is too friendly with the wife. this is again allegedly we have to put that you know

that word in the allegedly allegedly allegedly he goes in the kitchen he beats the guy up says why would you flirt with my wife cuts him up burns his body and kills him this is allegedly of course right you know when they say how many people he took you know 50 55 you know numbers are between 40 to 55 true gangster sunny francis and you hear stories about him partying with Jackie Kennedy partying with Maryland Monroe. Like, these are the stories. I know your grandfather had a relationship.

I think with Jamajio and Merlin with Marilyn Monroe. My grandmother went to the wedding. What stories does he tell you about Maryland? He died before I had for him. But they were friends. Yes, yeah. So to me, you know, part of you reminds me of Sonny. You know, part of you reminds me of Sonny because

neither one of you guys would talk. Right. No matter how many ways I ask the question, the mob doesn't exist. No. So these guys are liars. Yeah. How do you feel about the fact that they lie about mob existing? They've been lying about us for a hundred years.

So are you a fan of the guy that started the FBI? Who fucks that? Oh, Jager, Hoover? Yeah. Hoover, because he said it's not a real thing. The mafia doesn't exist. Yeah, he said it. Yeah.

Well, he said it. He said it. He must be right. Wow. Do you watch mob movies or now? No, I never watched Sopranos. I've never seen Sopranos. I never watched what episode. Me neither. I've never seen Sopranos.

He was a rat too, they said, in one of the episodes. Allegedly. Yeah, he sat down with the FBI. I mean, in the show. Yeah. To you, once you do that, it's over. Yeah. You've never sat with the FBI once.

Never. Ever. Never. No. The only time I've seen them is when they locked me up. How many times were they offered to sit down with you to stay down? They never offered. They never offered?

Never. Why did they never offer? I don't know. I mean, I'm glad they didn't. So they never even said, Joey, you don't need to do 22 years. You don't need to do 12 years. Never. Just snitch on this guy and you'll never get it.

No, we were facing 12 years. I was facing death penalty twice. Our R-wego case in Philly, the one in 2001, when I got pinched in 99. We were facing the depound. my seven code of house. And I made my lawyer get up, you know, here's the problem. A lot of guys don't, listen, I was no old boy. Yeah, that I steal shit, yeah, receiving stolen property.

Yeah, I did that. We gamble, yeah. And I told my lawyer, get up, tell the jury, this is what we did. We gambled, we received stolen properties, stolen stuff. But all this other stuff we didn't do. And the jury got shut and came back. They quit us of everything. My guidelines for receiving, stolen property, and gambling,

I was supposed to get 50-something months. He gave me 14 years. 50-something months they gave you 14 years. Yeah, it was only receiving stolen property and gambling. Gave me 14 years. Were you ever afraid of going away? No. Was it just kind of like part of the life?

You could go. Make the best of it. Work out. Gail saves you, preserves you. In what way? Well, you're in bed by 9 o'clock. You don't drink. You work out all day.

You don't smoke. You practice with your game. You're a gin game. You run. You exercise. I'm 64. Mine is 22. I'm only 42.

You look great, though. Yeah, I'm only 42. 62. No, I'm 64. You're 64. You said minus 22. So 40. Yeah.

Well, 22 years didn't count. So I'm only 42. What's the future for Joey? What are you excited about? What's the future look like this? To be the next Jersey mics. To be the next Jersey mics. Yeah.

I saw the video you made by Jersey Mike. I fucking steak. Do you have that video of Jersey mics type in the Burlino Jersey mics? That and Pat Steaks is his neck and neck. Gotta see this. That's the one right there. Yeah. Watch this.

Turn the audio if you could. There you go. Top. There you go. My daughter just door dashed Jersey bikes cheese steak. How the fuck are these people on? business. Look at this. What the fuck is this? It looks worse than Pats. Look at it. I don't have to open the motherfucker. It won't even open. Look.

What's the fuck is this? I gotta just take one bite and throw it out. I don't want to get it. How do you want to get in? Oh, get the fuck out. Fucking wild. Listen, it was theirs. My daughter, we went to Naples. They came down with their Fiazzi, so I said, we are B2Bita House. So I'm, uh, she's like that, you hungry? I said, I want to order Georgia. I said, Jersey, Mike's. She said, yeah, it's all around her.

And, uh, I think I is, I said, what about the, what's the place, the chicken place? Chick-fil-A. Chick-A. They're closed on Sundays or something. I said, I said, got ordered. They got cheese steak. I said, I don't know. I said, get, get me one.

I want to say. But that's why I want to be the next Jersey mics. They sold for $9 billion. You want to build the next jersey mic. Yeah. Skinny Joe's telling them, put them all over. What a story that would be if you put that off? I want to sell it for a billion dollars, buy a yacht, an island, and that's it.

That's how my life's going. That's the dream. Die on a boat, fuck it. Die on a boat. First thing I'm buying is an airplane, though, so no, I got money. I can't take his fucking, the airport to try out of the fucking TSA. How often do they recognize you, by the way? Oh, they recognize.

They recognize. Yeah, they recognize it. But not they're on strike. Yeah. Yeah, I'm seeing the... Yeah, the Democrats, they don't want that. They're dying for an attack to have in here. That's what they want.

Yeah. Do you think it'll happen? They're going to do like, you know, like bullshit ones. Inside tab. Yeah, like, you know, a guy driving it. But I always said, did you see the other day? They, they, Michigan, and they drove through the thing. See all the school streets in the guy?

I've been saying it for two years you could stop it. All you got to do is get five fucking veterans, you know, that need a job, make him staying outside of school with a machine gun. A guy woke up, dropped the gun, they don't drive, just kill him. You'll never see nobody else going to school. The guy drove the car through Michigan. They killed him. He would have killed all of them kids.

You got to put people outside the schools. You think streets of New York were safer in the 80s or today? Not in the 80s. My neighbor used to leave the doors of them. If you lived across the street, nobody locked their doors, I could walk in your house. Surely because the fear of some, if you're retaliation, if you do something. Nobody did it, though. Like, nobody ever broke in nobody's house and fucking raped girls and fuck.

They're all fucking nuts today. They're all in droid. You see my mom Danny, what he's doing to New York City. Oh, that motherfucker. I hate him too. Yeah. I hate him. Hopefully they get runned over.

But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's bad. Fucking bad. Fight awards. So I didn't know you wanted to build a bigger than, uh, Jersey likes to be billionaire by a yacht, by a plane. That's it. Be free. and enjoy yourself.

Yeah. That's the, I mean, that's the best revenge. Right? Joey, if that happens, I mean, it's going to- I'm not going on the yacht. You're coming on the yacht. You do that, you know, I'm going to sit there and say, this is, this is a wild success story. I can only imagine if CNBC and some of these guys have to interview. So today we have the CEO and the founder of, you know, Merlino Steakhouse. So, Mr. Merlino, is it? it true that you, how did you go from this to this? I'm just a regular guy. I can't wait to see

that interview. I'm going to give you the interview. That would be a classic interview when that happens. So podcasts, right? Rob, if we can. So the podcast is the skinny with Joey Merlino. A little snuff. By the way, he's a very good. Yeah, stuff's good, right? Very good. Why, what does he get his talent from on camera? He's very good at work. You know, when I first thought, I said, I want to do a podcast. How did you meet him? I know him my whole life. I know his father. Like his grandfather is my father's age. And I'm his father's age. His father might be a year old enemy.

And we're all from the same neighborhood. All gambling degenerates, you know, play cards and hanging in hangouts. Yeah. But when I first started the podcast, Kevin Connolly, you know Kevin Connolly? Of course. Yeah. So he said to me, you've got to find a guy like a sidekick. And he was, I was, no, fuck my going to find it.

So he said to me all these guys. I'm like, I don't want that guy. I don't want, who was the one guy? Some fuck. I said, no. I said, wait a minute, I might have a guy. Because snuff was snuffed did car commercials. You know, you work to the car.

Killship and he's that's it. So I know nothing about snuff. All I know is when I see him, he is very talented, very talented. So I got at one of his car commercials. I text them. I said, send me what are your car commercial? I sent it to Kevin. He said, that's your guy.

He said, he's the best. He's good. He's good to what he does. Rob, what's the guy that Tony came from, you know, where they came to the house. He was supposed to come to lunch and he has a channel. And a good looking guy. Yeah, this guy.

What do you know about Tommy T? Because there's some rumors that he... I was in jail with him. Oh, you were in jail with him? Yeah, I was in jail with him. No relation. No, no, no. He's not your son. He's not any...

My son? Yeah, I got him to the son. No, you were in jail with him. Yeah, I was in jail with him. It was a nice kid. Got it. I was in jailed. Have you ever done this show or no?

No. Okay. He's got a big show, he's got a good show, yeah. He's got an 876,000 subs. Yeah, he's actually a very good interviewer. He had me on and he had a very good conversation together. Yeah, when I see snuff, I tell myself, That's a for a personality like you, there needs to be a guy like that that knows how to get the information out and how to do it in a respectful way. And he gets it.

Yeah, he's good. He's good. He gets it. Yeah, I'm happy. I love him. I like my son. Well, so we're going to put the link below, Rob, if we can, to the podcast, the Skinny with Joey Morlino. And is there a website for the cheese steak place or no? Yeah, I got to get it through. Do you have that or not set up here? What's the website here? Let me hear snuff. the skinny Joey's cheese steak. Put the link below there as well for the steakhouse. Now I want to the cheese. Oh, now I want to try the cheesecake.

And I got to come to Philly to try it out. Yeah. Let me know. But last but not least, we got to wish you a happy birthday, man. We brought you a cake. Thank you, my birthday. So let's sing for Joey on three. One, two, three.

Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Joey. Happy birthday to you And many more This is legit candles, guys There you go That's my favorite

Is it? Carve out I love it Ice cream cake, best cake ever I love it, man Thank you Thanks you Nice, buddy Good choice, Alicia, thank you

Well, happy birthday to you I know we've been trying to do this For a long time I've got we find out of it I look forward to it I look forward to stuff is Yeah, you really really like his talent

But then I know one of our guys used to work with you in the past. He's right there already. By me. Good looking guy. Yeah, he had nothing about good things to say. So, and to all the feds that are watching, apparently he's never been part of the family, allegedly, but you guys got to keep doing your job, but he keeps beating you guys. It is what it is.

Well, listen, like I said, the old administration, you know, back, I'm going back in the 80s, 90s, they were, I mean, I like Cash Patel, the new administrator, you know, these guys or, you know, but I'm talking about the older, I didn't tell them about the new minutes. They were, they were worse than anybody. Crooked. Listen, but they had a case. My friend's case, I was away. We had three FBI agents on.

We're on the year, right? Yes. We had three agents on the case. They admitted that they lied on work application papers to get a raise to be able to move up to make more money. The judge told them we're not allowed to... They were getting on the stand there, doesn't it? We're not allowed to use it. You're not allowed to use it.

If they lied to get a raise, you think they won't lie to put some money in jail? These are FBI agents. Not ever caught back then. They were bad. They were really bad. Joey, the fact that you're not saying anything, man, that's just, you know... I talked to Jonah Mendez.

She was a former chief disguise officer for the CIA for 20 years. 20 years. She married a very well-known CIA agent that was in there for 31 years. What's the guy's name? She married a very, very well-known CIA guy. Can you type in her husband's name? You're going to know who he is. Very, very well-known guy. Yeah, Tony Mendez. Okay, legendary CIA officer, known for the Canadian caper rescue mission. So anyways, one time, they married each other, by the way. They wrote the book, the Moscow rules. Anyways, one day I'm with her at the right outside of the White House. I'm talking to her.

I said, what's the great quality of a CIA agent? She said the most incredible thing. She said, a great CIA agent is somebody that can save the free world, just help take out a leader

that would have done something very bad to the world, and millions of lives are saved, but he has no desire to want to brag about it to the world. She said, that's a great CIA agent. That's nice. Competitive, charming, charismatic, but doesn't need to say anything on TV

because they don't need the accolade. Right. A little bit of that is if you were the boss of the Philadelphia crime family. There you go, this bullshit. I'm just saying if you were for a long time, I mean, a little bit of that is like the, you know, it's like the cousin of CIA because, you know,

they're never going to say who they are and what they did. So you got to kind of respect. I'm sure you respect guys like that. I'm not even the boss of my family. Yeah. Believe me. Believe me. All right, well, we're going to wrap it up right there.

I think that's the right way to go. And by the way, Joey's on Meneck. So if you want to ask him any questions, you can go to Meneck. We're going to put the link below as well. Thank you. Great having you on. Thank you. My name's Joey Merlino.

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