PBD Podcast - Katie Hopkins | PBD Podcast | Ep. 196

Episode Date: October 21, 2022

In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Katie Hopkins, Vincent Oshana & Adam Sosnick to discuss US and UK politics and economics. Katie Olivia Hopkins is an English media personality, columnist, far-right political commentator, and former businesswoman. . . . Try our sponsor Aura for 14 days free - https://aura.com/pbd to see how many times your personal information was found on the dark web today.  FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on https://minnect.com/ Want to get clear on your next 5 business moves? https://valuetainment.com/academy/ Follow Katie on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3DiMZLQ Subscribe to Katie's YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/3VKFgNU Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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I'm the one. He touched up on it and that was it. Episode 196 folks, welcome. We are live with a special guest. Somebody I spent time with in UK. I think three years ago, four years ago, Katie Hopkins is good to have you on. Thank you very much. It's good to be here.

Yeah, so let me tell you the story. What happened when I was in UK? She's known, known Katie your reputation is Just phenomenal friendly, you know, she's a big fan of fat tax She believes there's no way in the world if I take care of my health and I'm on a flight and I'm a good, you know, 120 pounds And I have to pay for extra luggage, but you're 300 pounds We should pay for that additional 180 pounds you're putting on the plan like common sense type of stuff She believes in and she's a professional talking smack like before we even got started

Vinnie got a mouthful from her And yeah, like yes control over the mic, but but when we were when I was in UK I lost my wallet and I left the wallet in the cab you called around until we found the cap It until we found the wallet. That's what she did, which was awesome. And it was a great surprise. She's easy. I was a good son. I was just looking there. That's my, so that's sort of my LGBT hair. Freaked everybody out. So Americans were always like, well, hold on, she's got short hair. She must be a lesbian. And that's kind of my prison break out. Yeah. And not too much with lots of stories. That

was your monster days. You're not just stowed. It's a bit clearer. You are not LGBT. No, I mean, I could be, because as you get older, you just have to sort of widen your opportunities. So, you know, take what you can get. I've dealt with it.

I'm open into that. Yeah, but no, I was never a lesbian in this, but I just always had to make it clear. I'd had some head, some surgery on my brain, and so sorry had short hair, but it was terrifying for conservative audiences everywhere. Yeah, I know lesbian No, but they play one on you Let me tell you we got a surprise guys we got a lot of topics to go through. Oh, obviously The timing could man better for you to be here and Liz trust resigns after 44 days. We'll get into that. We got, we'll talk about what's happening with power bills,

you know, what's going on in UK with prices, the economy there. And then at the same time, we have a two special guests here today. Let me tell you who's going to be on zoom in in. One of them is going to be, are you familiar with Phoebe Plummer in Anna Holland? Do you know who they are? So they are the ones that are part of the the just oil activists. They went and they threw soup or all of the van goes sunflower painting. They can explain why they glued their hands against

the wall and they have to explain it. we want to find out why they're on okay So it's gonna be a shot of Teddy they agreed to be on that's the part so that's that's the fun part second My god Hopefully they stay hopefully they stay they agreed to be on today So hopefully they stay we we're gonna be very we're hoping they stay and at the same time we have Matthew Bunon which will join us out around 1015 he is a professor of the practice of energy national security foreign policy This is what he did. He's a current professor at Harvard

and Let me see this here is an American nuclear and energy policy analyst, currently a professor at practice at Harvard Kennedy School, Harvard University's Co-Principal Investigator of the Belford Center Project on Management of Adam. His father, George Bunn, was a leading figure in the field of arms control who helped draft and negotiate the nuclear non-proliferation treaty of 1968, limiting the spread of nuclear weapons worldwide. And here's what he recently said. He said, it's a very serious situation. President Biden is right. This is the worst danger of nuclear weapons being used since

Cuban missile crisis. And we'll see what he has to say about it. We can be potentially going to a nuclear war. I don't know. I mean, we'll ask him some questions. Well, okay, but he sounds like the sort of guy I wouldn't want to sit next to at a wedding. Well, it's Dallas Howe. And that's why he's on Zoom though. So we're making it. We're accommodating for everybody.

And so it's got the off button handy. Yeah. So, you know, first of all, just it's good to have you on. It's good to have you here. We got a lot of topics to go through. I want to hear your thoughts on your favorite president, Biden, to see how he's doing. So you can kind of shed some light on him. And then maybe we'll talk a little bit

Megan Merkel and we'll talk about, again, people you like is what the focus is today, right? Yeah, you've really lined up something special. I really have. I just wanted to get the best out of you today. I realized, say, say going on a long car journey with vegans. I just thought something I do. Yeah. Okay. So Katie, for people that don't know you, can you tell them a little bit about your background? For people that don't know? Yes and which is most people I'm sure. I am a former British Army intelligence officer and I went through the raw military academy santaest and signed up to fight for my country for 35 years. I had to be medically discharged later with epilepsy hence the lesbian hair cut in our earlier reference point

because I was then cured of my seizures. And so now I bring my fight to the road. I threw myself on the road about two months ago to fight with you for your midterms and have been rallying the red in swing states for the last two months moving every other day. I'm known for being at Spoken, I don't ask to be liked, but more importantly, I don't ask for people to agree with me. This is what I think I'm not asking you to think the same. And I've been called

many names because of my work, of course, one of them sounds like which, but begins with B. So I'm known as the biggest B which in Britain. And I'm the most banned woman on the planet as well. I'm banned from normal things like Twitter or PayPal or my own bank account. I'm also banned from all British and US media, apart from you guys who are independent. I'm banned from the entire country of South Africa for highlighting the slaughter of white farmers by the ANC banned me. And I've just been banned and deported from Australia for speaking apps against the tyranny of lockdown,

locking down to an island of people for two years. And I'm also banned from a small place in Great Britain called Wales, but that's fine because nobody wants to go to Wales because everybody there is ginger or short. That's who I am. Great intro. By the way, somebody needs to write that in hand

at over and say, let me introduce you to my next speaker that's coming up here. So well, all I can say is I'm far more interesting than that. Dilard, nuclear boffin that you have coming along. Well, we'll see. We'll see how interesting he's going to. I know. He's going to say, you know, maybe, maybe he's pessimistic, optimistic. Who knows? Maybe you were short of guests today. I don't know. Well, let's talk about you. Let's talk about with you on that topic before it comes out. What do you think is going to happen with Russian Ukraine in your opinion? So it'll be, so I'm 180 to this guy.

Okay. I think I'm a big believer in Putin. I love Russia. I've been there on many occasions. Putin's a strong and fantastic leader on the international stage. People seem to think Ukrainians are angels, they are off their minds, they are mostly Nazis, and that Russians are doing a good job. Zelensky is a puppet. He was an actor before. You may have clips of him in rubber, in high heels,

maybe you'd like to play them to the nuclear boffin, and he's being used as a puppet and installed to create a situation where Biden gets to animate the sort of the industrial complex. And personally, I think it's the biggest fast we ever did see. Imagining Americans are at all interested in Ukraine is bonkers. Most Americans couldn't find Ukraine on a map respectfully, and nor should they have to. So that's my point of view. And of course, it's the opposite to CNN, most lefties.ies and indeed people who live in my road in England Who adopted Ukrainian refugees because they're such good people? Now if that's the case why why are we?

being sold by the media of him being a modern day church Hill him being a modern day You know incredible leader who shows up wearing regular khaki, you know, military clothes and people have bought into this country. Oh, so true. You're going out to want to take pictures and introduce themselves. You're my hero. You're this, you're that. Why is what is the average person fully disagree with you on your position?

Because mostly people aren't that intelligent. 80% of people have to be introduced to themselves in the mirror and have to be taught how to tie a shoelace. Also, I think I have to be taught how to use Velcro, you know, that sort of thing. But also, look, he's an actor, he's perfect for the job, put him in a green t-shirt, always have him sitting down because he's only five foot four and you know that I don't agree with short people. So you don't get that sort of perspective, you go to have a photo with him and you're like, you realize you have to kneel down. This is not the good guy. This is not the savior of mankind that has been dressed up to be. You don't think he is.

It's not that I don't think he is. It's implausible that this is the savior of anything. So, so when I was in Iran and the Shah that eventually was an exile they sold him the same way to say this is not a good leader he's not doing good for Iran he's a puppet to the West right the phrase puppet to the West has been used many times are you saying he are you saying Zelinsky is it because shot ended up not being a puppet to the West yeah shine that up being a person that actually did a lot more good for that country ever since that happened we saw what's going on with Iran so some people may say well you're saying that because your position is different, but yes.

You know, he's standing up, look, they're militaries, not the, you know, Russia's losing so many people that are leaving their country, Putin, just all of a sudden asked 300,000 people that are civilians to one or so who don't want to serve. It's the complete opposite in Russia. And then some say, well, you know, Putin currently has an 83% approval rating from its people, but who is really polling? So again, going back and forth. And that's so tiring, isn't it? So tiring to try and find the truth of anything. What we can say is we're just going to load a CNN reporter stood on the skyline in Ukraine,

reporting on absolutely nothing other than the fact that they're stood on the skyline. We have Putin's people who still have them with a massive popularity rating and this idea that he's much weakened, I think, is a myth and a fabrication. Either he's about to launch nuclear armageddon or he's much weakened. Make your mind up which one is it. And this has always been a power play for NATO. Putin always had a red line, which he would not have NATO on his doorstep. And that's what was pushed via Selensky is to push NATO onto his doorstep. He was always was pushed via silenced skis to push NATO onto his door slip. He was always very clear this was a red line and he's acting exactly in accordance with the way that he said he would if NATO pushed the way to to his doorstep.

Do you think it's likely that we go into nuclear ore with this or no? No, I think it's 100% false. I think it's very much like the COVID narrative. People just are hungry for fear and they're hungry to be told what to do. People enjoy a state of fear because people are subservient. People aren't bold like they used to be. People want to be told what to do by an even bigger government. You know, and my view is the opposite to that. We have to stand up, rise up, be strong and not back down to any of this stuff.

Not back down to any of this stuff. Okay, so your position is, we're not going to go into a nuclear war. It's going to be all right. It's not going to be crazy. How do you think this thing ends? Do you think it ends with a Biden setting up a peace treaty meeting for them to sit down and figure out what to do with different parts of the land? Do you think it ends with Putin getting what he wants? Do you think it doesn't end for a long time? What do you think happens to this? It definitely doesn't have anything to do with Biden and him negotiating anything. Most popular president of all time. He couldn't negotiate his own way out of a bathroom cubicle and we know that without Jill on hand to drag him out of there. It probably ends if if reds win the midterms,

we stop fueling a wall that America has no place in and Putin takes over the bits of Ukraine that he wants to take back and Ukraine backs down. But the only way that happens is if America stops funding this ridiculous war that Putin doesn't want to be in. So midterms, midterms, why your interest in UK? Why such interest in the midterms of US? Because you are our hope as well. You are the light shining on the top of the hill. You are our hope in the UK. We're already lost. We're already gone demographically alone.

If you just disregard me, if you loathe me, hate everything I am, that's fine. But by 2030, Muslim births outnumber births to all other in my country. We're gone. Every city, what, what, did you just, are you serious? Did you hear what she just said? The fact you could have a good, but it's Muslim births in UK out at number any and all other religion by 2030. Wow. Oh, by 20. Oh, my God. Wow. That's, Wow. So they're not using condoms. It's basically what you say.

Having eight kids each. What? You K Muslim numbers to double by 20 every every British city that man in every British city. I mean the big cities is Muslim. Why is that the why is that? And you see the same model here, Minneapolis versus Minnesota, Minneapolis highly prevalent pop Muslim population, densely organized into collective housing situations when they vote, you'll only ever get Muslim leadership there. We will never have a non-Muslim mayor of London again. It's statistically impossible.

You will never have a non-Muslim mayor ever again. Yeah of London. London will always go to a Muslim mayor because the population of London is now densely packed Muslim population. Was that strategic or did that accidentally? No, no, there's nothing accidental. This is strategic power player taking over a nation. So back to topic, hence the US is our hope as well. In the sense that this is where freedom will live. And this is why I care about the midterms and that's why I'm on the road. And your messaging on the road is what?

What do you, what are you getting on on the road? The ours is the side and by ours, I mean the side that simply wants the best for each other, right? So ours is the side that wants everyone to be all right. And ours is the side that's been through a lot, locked down, wiped out businesses, wiped out families, split people up, got people uninvited from weddings and that they're synagogue, and it destroyed people's lives, and people felt utterly lost.

And then you had the installation of Biden, which I was there for in DC. And people have been wondering, what on earth is happening to America? People sit in comfortable studios like this, but I've just come up from downtown Atlanta and white people are basically being hunted and targeted in the streets. It happened in front of me. I've seen white people when they start to scurry in downtown places. They scurry like rats. Happens in Minneapolis. Happens in downtown Atlanta. And that's the truth of these cities in America. And we can't let that happen here.

It's already happened in my country. We can't have it happen here. So for people in America who maybe this isn't in their top 10 concerns, will they wake up in the morning? Of course it's not. And they're just sitting there saying, well, that's your problem. That's happening in the UK. It'll never happen to us.

So two questions I would want you to address. One, who cares about this issue? Why should we be afraid if they do do this? Because some people are not concerned about that. And then the second thing is what are the likelihood of that happening in the States? Number one, no, I had totally understood. Most people have to try and get up. They've got to try and get their kids out the door.

They've got to find someone to help them find the car keys. They've got to try and get to work. They can't afford this that or the other. And then probably the dog ran off down the road and started humping the neighbor's leg. Like that's the reality of our everyday. It's a real issue. It's a real issue.

I am a regular mother. I do have it. It's surprising. I know, but I have real issue. I am a regular mother. I do have. It's surprising. I know. But I have a husband. I have three teenage children. I have two dogs. I get the thing that's more important.

But the reason it matters is because people need hope and they need to believe in something. And people out there are battered right now. People come up to me and tears. When I do talks and we have time together and they're in a room with people who just want them to be all right, people are in tears because they are exhausted by being surrounded by endless madness here in America. And I find that really hard. People want to believe in democracy, they want to believe in freedoms, they want to believe in things like medicine. And for the last couple of years, many people

feel those things are falling apart. But my message isn't a negative one. It is a really optimistic one. I love our side. I love Americans because you have freedom hardwired into your souls. And you have a second amendment that I applaud. And you know, it's part of that message is that we keep going. Our fight will always be uphill. It's it's funny I'm gonna go to our sponsors, but I remember when you were on CNN and you said Trump's gonna win it and You said well folks like yourself who at the Clinton news network and the lady was so shot

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Let's put the links below in the chat as well as in the description for people to go find. So, okay. So you're in the US wanting to help with midterms because you're you think the last hope for everybody around the world is America. And you said you fully support second amendment. You fully support all that stuff. How different is freedom of speech in America, second amendment in America than it is in

UK? So we can get you can get some optics. Yeah, it's wild. So I was in the back of a Uber yesterday. And this lovely lady was driving. And I said something about difference driving in the UK, US. I said it's different because you guys could have a weapon in your car. And people kind of have some respect for that where I live, we're not allowed weapons.

We don't have a second amendment. We're not allowed to be armed. Our police officers are not armed on the streets of the UK. They don't carry weapons. We have armed response units. How did you know that? Police officers in UK are not armed. Yes. They have whistles and batons, right? They have a whistle. A whistle. That stops all crime. They got a baton. Yeah. Yeah. They'll be some ass with it. Yeah. They got literally that is literally the truth of the matter. What's the logic behind that, though? This weird, and so I'm British, but I'm more American with the two-eight thing, right?

This weird British idea that if you don't have guns, it makes you safer. And so when let's just say a Gihardi comes up and goes on a stabbing spree, as they did on Westminster Bridge, you just stab the police officer. And they have just a whistle to blow. I've had a lot of whistles.

I've never seen a whistle stop coming all the time. No, but they only just don't have a whistle. They've got batons, they've got other items. They just don't have guns. What does that do with a knife though, or a car whistle? Or not a car? I'm not here to defend British police or their mentality. I'm letting you know, they

just have more than a whistle. Well, yeah, but if the cars coming at you, at least a cop would be able to shoot through the windshield. Because I mean, like she just mentioned, knives are prevalent and a car roll does a lot of them throw baton through a windshield. No, unless your game is amazing and it loops around, but no, you need a gun. Well, you need a gun. Yeah. So Britz do not gun. Yeah, so Brits do not understand Second amendment. They do not understand guns. Here's Morgan is totally anti-second amendment How did he's and he sounds like a like he can He's he sounds like a smart guy. How is the

Anti-second amendment not believing him, you know, even cops or people haven't guns It's the wildest thing. That's not the only thing Piers Morgan has been disgusting about. He was disgusting about lockdown. He was pushing the vaccine passport. He believed people shouldn't even be allowed to go anywhere near any form of travel if they didn't have a vaccine passport. He was the pusher of the whole lockdown stuff that went on. So don't even bring up his Morgan. So that was part one of your questions

about weapons, part two was something else. Yeah, like freedom of speech. So you're saying, hey, you guys have, you still have freedom of speech. Some people say it's gradually going away. And you know, some things are being, you know, but still how different is that in your case? Yeah, so for us, we have such a large web of hate speech laws.

So effectively truth becomes hate speech and therefore if you speak the truth it's an arrestable offense. I've been arrested for a column in a newspaper. For example we have people arrested for comments on chat groups or if you make a comment on a Facebook page that is not deemed as appropriate, that is hate speech, police officers turn up at your door and arrest people. And arguably you've got hints of that here when you have the FBI turning up at James O'Keefe's door for no apparent reason other than he's on the wrong team. So certainly for us, when I left the UK a couple months ago, the last thing I did was a big stand-up night in a theatre with

a guy that is just doing similar to what I do. That guy is now in prison in the UK. He was sentenced that week. When he got off stage, he was sentenced to five and a half years in jail for speech, for videos on YouTube that were said to be stalking and harassment of people. What did you do? Basically doing what we're just doing this. He was just bringing up different people, Meghan Markle, somebody, it was a lot of the BBC he was going for, a lot of their presenters. But for doing this, he was, he was, it was the first case of its kind.

And when you get new law, you know you're always in trouble. New law that said that that was stalking, online stalking, and he's now inside five and a half years. And Katie, you feel it happening slowly, but surely here. 100% videos are getting taken down people. And I feel it's slowly happening, and I have two questions. Well, number one, what is their goal?

When I say their goal, like the crime, defunding the police, the border, inflation, recession, sending money. What is there? Because in this two years, it's gone completely down here, down here. When people talk about Trump, I go, love him or hate him. This would not be going on. I don't care who the hell you are, who you vote for. If you can't at least admit, it's horrible right now, and it's not getting any better than then that's exactly. And that's why my frustration with journalists, that just what to talk about, her, she'll walk her past history of whateverness. I want to say, come here, get my hand. I'm going to walk you through downtown where I was just in Atlanta. Come see if people there really care about her show

walkers background. Or do you think they care about the fact that I just watched a lady have a cigarette snatched out of her face and have her bag take. I mean, I got involved in that and that was returned. But the point is, you know, that is the reality of on the road and things are collapsing so fast here and it is terrifying to watch. But what I see is a result of that having just spent three weeks on the road in California is the red has never been as red. Like the red is dug in, it's not going anywhere and it's there to fight. And that's why I think the midterms are going to be a massive result for the reds. And last question to you, and it seems to me, and I'm with you, and I feel that that passion, but it's like to me, it's almost like the red, the Republicans, they bark a lot,

you know, the from from from Lindsey Graham to Jim Jeffries to uh... who enjoyed it so it's a grand poll you know if i'll get getting them red handed that you're in trouble and nothing happens i i and then one and i don't i'd hate sound like a conspiracy there's but when i say they're in the same team one sides in charge for a while the other side just points nothing happens fouches rich his he got richer during the pandemic nothing is going to happen none of them are gonna to get held accountable.

So it's almost like I feel there is a portion of the country that's kind of like vote for what, for what? It's not going to change. And if it does flip and it does go red and then hopefully the Santa's somebody, it'll change for well, but then they're going to come back at some point, aren't they? Yeah, I see what you're saying.

And I totally get that sort of sense of despondency. But then I see how people were so done with politicians and waiting. They were like, right, that's it. I'm getting involved in the school board. And then we had all the mothers turning up at the school boards. And then you ended up with a young kid in Virginia because it was only by saying we will let parents have power in schools. Did he get elected? And he's now doing great things. Yeah. So the bottom can kind of work its way up, but I, I hear you on that. Yep. Quick thought for you. We're living in an attention economy. Eyeballs are everything these days. And kudos to you because you're a brilliant talker. You know

what you're saying. You're a shock jock like you're a Howard Stern, asked by person. And some of the things you say are hyperbolic. Some of the things you say are true. Not everything is everything for you. I'm wondering for you, what percentage are you saying just to as a comedian to be hyperbolic and just to kind of throw stuff out there and what stuff is actually factual and true. So for instance, I have a phone in my hand, this is a phone, and you can Google things with a phone. So Voldemort is a Zalinsky, a couple quick points. He's the same height as your boy Putin.

They're both 5'7. He's not 5'4. Putin isn't exactly a giant, okay? That's one. Number two. I don't give two shits about the Muslims in the UK. But a quick Google search will show you that Muslims' population will double by 2030, apparently, and go from 6.3% to 17% by 2050.

This is Google Katie. I don't care. Thirdly, I just Google pictures of UK police officers with guns. Apparently they got a lot of fucking guns. So my question to you is, what percentage of what you're saying is hyperbolic, getting eyeballs, respect. We live in that kind of world now,

versus actually factual and true. OK, let's go from the start there. You showing me what a phone is and saying, we live in that kind of world now versus actually factual and true. Okay. Let's go from the start there. You showing me what a phone is and saying this is a phone. That isn't really the way to start an argument because that's to a set that I'm stupid and don't know what a phone is. Well, you're something worse to put because we can't Google things that you say as a fact check. You like me to answer what you just go ahead and talk over me.

We could do the other one. I could go either way. So but go ahead, this is all you. Is it? Yeah, go ahead. So, starting off on that kind of tone, I don't think is necessary. You then go to your phone and say, I can Google this like you've got the biggest penis on the planet. You might have the biggest penis on the planet. I don't know. Darling, I've got bigger balls than Caitlyn Jenner. I actually believe you, Katie. I actually believe you. Go ahead. You're so bad at listening and then when you stop talking you say go ahead for just a moment in time. You can Google anything. Why don't you Google my name and see what it says on Wikipedia because you'll find out that I'm both a monster

that I'm bankrupted, that I have no background or backbone. You'll find out that I've bedded everybody in the UK. Many of those things won't actually be true. So just because you Google something, that doesn't really make you Elon must darling. Does it just mean maybe you can use one or two of your hands probably at one side of your hand more than the others have more practice. You then talk about as Lensky's height as if that's a fact because you read it. And that's a misinterpretation of itself, isn't it? Because just because you read it on Google doesn't make it true, my flower pot does it. And then you also talk about the fact that this old statistic Muslim 6%

walked with me, my flower, walked with me through London, through Leicester, through Birmingham, through Bradford, and walked with me through Minneapolis, because you can call it 6% if you make that disparate in a population. But in the cities where they cluster together, you will find they have the majority. It's why they have the power. It's why we have a Muslim mayor. It's why we have a Muslim housing association. It's why we have a Muslim police association and it's why we have Sharia law in most of our cities. And finally, you manage to find a picture of a police officer with a weapon. Well, Dan, darling, have a gold star and do some more googling. Maybe you could watch them cartoon network.

While we adults talk, of course, there are armed response officers. I said that as part of my answer. But most police officers on the streets of the UK are not armed. Is that okay for you? Yes, my little flower pot. So here's the deal.

I, again, I let off with the. Wait a minute, hold on. You've managed, wait, wait, this is totally breaking. Wait, you need to stop the business, stop the value payment because, seriously, what he's done, he's Googled police officers and the holding weapons, which, which must make him right and me wrong.

I'm literally came here to talk out my ass, but look what he's done everybody. I think that deserves. Come on, bud. That number one, thank you Tyler for googling it on your end. Well done, buddy. So I appreciate again, I'd let off with a compliment that you're a good talker. And you get eyeballs. Congratulations. You're good at that.

Part of the problem while you probably piss people off is you have major masculine energy. So respect to you. So I know you're saying you're married. I don't know about that. I know you're saying that you've got your family. You could. I'm tired. But Katie, how can we trust Google Katie? I'm using your words against you beautiful. I'll send you to pull you little winky. I will.

You can Google my. You probably have a bigger dick than me. Katie. I don't know. I'm packing. So it's okay. That will become a fact if you get a little bit. Yeah, but I don't know if we can trust Google darling. I don't know. I'm back. That will become a fact. I guess. But I don't know if we can trust Google darling. I don't know. So you say, I know what was your, what was the point? The point is I'm giving you a compliment. Your hyperbolic you get eyeballs respect. I'm also saying

not everything you spew out there is accurate. What was the compliment that you get eyeballs and then you're a good talker. No, I think if you're around for 15 or so years in the media, it would be if you were spuing nonsense, you'd be caught out quite a lot. No, you'd probably be canceled everywhere. And then where were you canceled again? I'm literally canceled from countries. Okay, well, is that a good thing? Are you proud of that? I am actually. Yes, I am. Well, then kudos to you, Katie. I'm proud of you. You're doing what you want to do in life. I'm proud of being deported from Australia for going over there and Calling out the tyranny of lockdowns

I'm proud of standing up for those people who had that done to them What do you the Australians needed you like they needed Katie? No, and that's something I always make for you even Australian Which are you even American? Which question do you want me to answer? First, the second, the first three actually. Are you sure? So, I am not American. I am not Australian. Okay. And I come over here because I'm a respectful foreigner and an outsider that cares about

your country. So, you're a globalist. No, I'm not a globalist. Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. I'm just like, if you go and you like come to the United States and basically get involved in politics, so you go to Australia, get involved in politics. I am not sure what you're doing. I'm not sure what you're doing I'm asking you genuine questions and see I can't help but feel you're kind of angry, but I don't know why

Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Maybe I was I had a British girlfriend that you remind me of I don't know However, it's actually true story. Yeah I don't know however, it's actually true story. Yeah Sneakers bars I know that Here's what I genuinely believe here's what I genuinely believe I don't believe you believe me I date a lot harder chicks in you, but here's what I definitely believe you actually are a I person that knows what they're doing You're not an idiot. You've been confronted before you confront a lot of people You've been you anti-liberalist anti-multicultural and they fat anti-immigrant

Anti tattoos. Sorry to inform you Vinnie. She doesn't like you you have tattoos. Okay, so listen Katie You're climbing a river. That's a tattoo on her. Okay, there it is Katie. She has a tattoo on her bum Katie. I've taken a lot of heat before I can take it Are you saying that you can't take heat Katy you take heat all the time you give it? I just there's just a lot of noise coming off. I stopped listening to you a lot of noise You just sound a little more proper than me Katy, but we're all just talking No, I want to make you a thing of yourself sweet teacher. I'm enjoying you Carrie on Patrick darling Okay, let me go to the story you will list trust. That's great. That was good

It was very entertaining. Audience is definitely loving it. So I don't good for you. I got to see her. Right. So I'm going to list. List. Liz Truss resigns and will become shortest serving PM in British history.

She's resigned prime minister just after 44 days from over taking over Boris Johnson. She will be the shortest serving PM in British history in the statement outside a Downing Street. Truss admitted she could not deliver her mandate. She said I came into office at a time of great economic and international instability. Families and businesses were worried about how to pay their bills. She said she was elected with a mandate to change this, adding we delivered on energy bills. I've recognized though given

the situation, I cannot deliver the mandate on which I was elected by the conservative party. So one, was she somebody that most of the conservatives were happy about? Did they want to replace Boris with her? And two, her reasoning for resigning is this a good thing for you, K. Orbat thing? I mean, she had to go. So we were waiting for, I guess, a day, we kind of think it was down to the hour. So you knew you knew this was coming. We knew she was going. So that once she came in with her measures, the markets reacted really badly to those measures. So the pound just plummeted. We were at parity with the dollar for the first time in modern history. Yeah, one of three very weird. It was crazy. Borrowing weights went through the roof,

so mortgages went through the roof in terms of people who were looking to fix a mortgage. And so the market's basically decided she was gone. So she was already kind of a dead woman walking. She was brought in, people preferred Boris Johnson, old money preferred Boris Johnson. So we always knew she wouldn't be around for long. And it was humiliating. I don't enjoy, yeah, iceberg letters in blonde wig at last list. Trust.

I don't know if I really enjoy, I know you boys might enjoy that, but I don't know if I enjoy seeing. Did you like her? Did you actually like her? No, she's robotic and weird. I got you. What I really would love as if Britain had democracy that people could believe in. But honestly, ordinary brits, like what we were talking about earlier, their daily concern at the minute is they can't afford to heat their houses. They can't afford to buy stuff in the store. We now have something called heat banks in the UK where old people are supposed to go and heat themselves in the day in public buildings because they

can't afford to heat their own homes. I mean, it's a fairly dire situation. I suspect what we'll see. Well, we're either going to see Rishi Sunak or we're going to see Boris Johnson come back into play. And the latest rule that they made up is that 100 MPs, whoever's going to run has to have the support of 100 MPs. So it's going to be a very, very fast competition to see who's going to replace

Liz. I mean, this is that normal though, right? 44 days. 44 days. The longest was what 142 or 124, some number like that. I mean, that was in 1896. So the race, 130 years ago, the race she was in to be Prime Minister was longer than the time she spent as Prime Minister. That's, again, so purely the money people didn't support it because the economy was being felt in her policies and that's like, we gotta move on. Oh, she was gone. She was gone. Got it.

So, and how likely is it that a Boris is gonna come back because people are just kinda saying, let's just get him back in here. He was safe, he was good. He was, is that kind of what is most likely gonna happen? We're play on this. We're dynamic. Rishi Sunak is what I think the party would want.

I think it's what the markets would want. I think it's what globalists would want. You know, they love him because he's a Montecito boy, over in California with a green card, and the richest wife, actually, in England. You might want to Google that. But I think the people in the UK loved Boris. So if we then went to a general election, who could win still for the conservative party, not Rishi, but Boris could. But did you like them? Did you like Boris? I liked them right up until the point he

locked down my country. Yeah. Got it. Do we have any examples? By the way, do you remember like if I recall, I remember, you know, you can fact check me on this. I don't know why I remember him saying Uh, herd immunity is the way to go the only way to solve this. And that's kind of what he was pitching up. Exactly. He said that. Right. Yeah. Right until the point that we've ever got to him, whatever they Somebody fly. There's somebody either money or it's either I agree. I agree. whatever they intem- money, somebody- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- T- No vaccine, that's vaccine. So, how much of that do you think had to do with Boris getting COVID? Boris got COVID bad. He was hospitalized.

I think that had a lot to do with it. He did, master work. But here I am shaking hands with people still because it's all a note of all crap. That's where he was. He turned on a dime, whatever they gave him or whatever. Or what they have on a probably an Epstein Island video like, he listened to that. We got this video of you, but you know what, though, that is the ultimate.

Like, that's what we don't know. Yeah. That's what we don't know. And it's a very, very effective method. Yeah. Because you're coming here saying, Hey, listen, man, you're 60 some years old. Here's what we found on you.

How do you want your legacy to end up? We're going to go public with this next week, unless if you don't do that, that, that. Oh my god. Do you not do you not believe that stuff happens? I believe it does. 100% that happens. And then they have you forever because you have to say

the cause or else that video or whatever they have on you that person That's gonna come out. Yeah, it's always gonna be in your shadow. Well, listen I mean this credit goes to Kim Kardashian. She made it more than Liz did 72 days. I know Tyler just put the 44 days versus 72 days is that kind of is this a form of recognition from you Tyler? Yeah, shout out to Kim K and Adam's best friend Adam's good friend. This is a, so, okay, better than let's trust here's here's here's what I would be curious about on who's more likely to make a comeback him or Netanyahu. I would be very curious and I which one of those two guys or BB BB or, or, or, or, or Boris.

Yeah. Well, wouldn't I would love it to be BB but Boris is already on his way back from the Caribbean and doing his hair. So he's getting ready. Yeah, his hair just changed. And that means big things are afoot. When has he ever changed? I've never seen a fix this hair.

I've never seen a fix this hair. Yesterday he had his hair slightly fixed. Seriously? Well, Liz. I know, I know. I know. I know. Listen, I'm not defending Boris.

I'm not even able to do that. But he does, I guess intentionally do this to be more of a comment because he's an Oxford man very smart guy He's not an idiot. He plays the sort of like the bumbling fool He literally does like a Chris Farley impression shake some his hair He's like all right. Let's go be British for a second exactly That's true. Yeah, and that picture which we can find with Google I'm supporting this now not having a a go. If you get Boris on Zipwire, that to me is the,

when this was him when he was London Mayor, and it's the epitome of how Boris wanted to present himself. Right, so he's up on the Zipwire look there. Oh God. And then the Zipwire went wrong. Oh no. This is where it stuck. This is where it stuck.

That is hilarious. On the Zipwire, but in many ways, it was all of our favorite moment because it was London and it's best. We were just about to have the Olympic Games and he stuck up there enough. Ladi's it why and just really quick pack. I want to ask Katie to say, okay, I mean, there's a lot happening with, you know, Nanny, maybe coming back, Boris coming back, what's your name of resigning? What about the Georgia Maloney? I love they consider her for every article that I've read from BBC to everybody. She's this far right She's gonna start it's all bad, but it's in a couple hours there. I guess they're gonna the the brutal

It's gonna switch today, isn't it? We're gonna give her power today. I love her. I love I love the fact she's Italian I love the fact she's called Mel love the fetches called Meloni. I love it. Like pizzas come out of the oven. I love the fact that if you're an asshole and you're believing people that you believe she's far right, well, actually, she's so perfectly excellent in all her ways. And she's also backed up because of the way the Italian voting system works. She has a Salvini as well. Mateo Salvini, who's the greatest man, he's going to be like her sidekick. Oh, wow. There's like a band of them. Oh, so it's perfect. And also we had Sam in Sweden, Swedish Democrats. So we're having

a good run. This run is going to be, she's the difference between her and a Liz or Boris. She seems like a real conservative. It's gonna stand up. She doesn't, she seems fearless. I love her part. I mean, so far, Adam, you know, said something, he says, like, we have no clue with this person. This just came out of nowhere.

So far, she seems very fearless, very clear in her messaging backbone. She's, I mean, if you watched her speeches in front of the Italian crowd, I watched it that time. I don't have the make you cry. Basically, I was, it was, it was like a speaker like it was just, I listened to every single, I mean, I had to read it, but it was passionate. I, I, it might be BS or whatever. Like I don't know. I feel you, but I believe, Ferry.

Vinnie, what Vinnie did is Vinnie was so impressed that he started looking if she has any daughters because he was. I love that. I look at Tyler. My name is Vinnie. Yeah. Hey, Malone. Good. What? I'm going to learn on the street. Is your ship been hanging out with more Italian people around town here? 100% 100% we're going to lute you a lot of these restaurants. Yeah. There's nobody believes when I say I'm at least in like, yeah, all right. Witness protection. Let me give you the next one. You K energy bills to rise by 80% in October as a regulator announces hike

British energy regulator announced Friday will rise will raise its main cap on consume energy bills to an average of 3549 pounds 497 US dollars from 1971 last year so from 1971 to 35 for that's nearly that's 88% 80 plus percent as campaign groups Think tanks and politicians call on the government to tackle a cost of living crisis the price cap limits the standard energy Standard charge energy suppliers can build domestic customers for their combined electricity and gas in England It covers around 24 million households the 4.5 million households on pre-payment

plants face an increase from $2,017 to $3,608. That's real money. Yeah, it's wild. So energy bills are now well beyond the means of most people in the UK. People are turning off their energy at source, so at the point where it enters their home, people are living now with candles, people have head torches, so they don't turn the lights on, and elderly people are not going to have their heating on. And we're at

minus two degrees, you know, we're not living in Florida. So I mean, it's a shocking state of affairs, and in a country that is perpetually gray and cold, not being able to have light or heat. I don't honestly know, we will lose people this winter and then all the while, there's just this circus going on at number 10 of who's going to be the next leader. Well, it's more who's going to survive the next week without heating or light. I mean, it is properly dark. It's properly to Kenshin. Yeah, and listen, if you got money to use like ads, who cares? Like 800 bucks, it's not a big deal.

But if you're middle income, you're low income, you're sitting there telling you're retired without having a bit of a... That's a big, that's a big, that's a big not to pay to say it's going to go up that much. And by the way, what can cause it to go back down? Like what, what needs to happen for this to go lower? Obviously, it's relationships with some of the causes Russia some of the causes are saying is different place about what needs to happen for this to go lower yeah

There's this idea and it was being kind of Put up as this something the bad guy you know, we always want a bad guy in a pan so so we're using Russia right? We're using Putin put in price hike and all that blah blah blah But you know in fact, we only ever got 5% of our gas from Putin in the first place. So that can't be responsible for an eight-fold or five-fold increase. Gas, green taxes, the green agenda. If you work that out, that would be half the bill's gone.

You know, so the green kind of agenda that's being pushed is one of the reasons we're paying for everything. So, you know, price prohibitive, because the taxation is off the chart. And then what we need to do is push forwards with nuclear or push forwards with new supplies or push forward and reopen some of the coal or whatever, oil or whatever that we shut down. And clearly energy is not my field, but we need to increase supply and pull back on green taxation. Those are the only two levers we would have.

Yeah, I'd be a becusing on what the cause is like to go up that high, that's sudden during the season we're in. So it wouldn't make sense for the average person to say it has to be the war between Russia and has to be the North Stream pipeline. It has to be all these things because it wasn't the case two years ago. And this wasn't happening two years ago. Yeah, but in fact, there was this price cap and they took the price cap off. So the energy companies can charge effectively what they want.

And then the profits of those oil giants have been huge. Yeah, even the Germans are being told to stop whining, wear to sweaters, and have candles and flashlights ready in case a blackout this winter. This is a very nice, gentle, warm, empathetic, read leadership message being sent out. The guy just go with two sweaters.

It's going to be all right. That's basically the same in our country. And they're warning us of three hour, very much like California, the rolling blackout. South Africa has the same three hour blackouts we're expecting this winter. It's it's a it's a it's definitely a wild wild situation that's going on there with with the so okay now let's go to U.S. politics with U.S. politics that is going on here. When Biden got elected, okay, everybody was you know, oh my god it's going to be the end of

it. You know, it's going to be horrible. It's going to be this is going to be that fast forward to where we are today. Is it exactly what you expected it to be? Is it worse? Is it not as bad as you expected it to be? As a respectful foreigner, I'm bearing in mind, you've chased up British arses out of this fine country twice before. Someone told me it was three times, but it's I think it's absolutely worse than expected. I think we knew it would be awful watching the installation of him. I was what one of 20 people gathered around a side gate because nobody was in DC because it was basically a war zone, a fabricated war zone. And then you have a man who, it is so, no one knows what's going to come out of his mouth at any given time. He's just sort of seems to have some kind of Tourette's or something, just squeals out about inflation or whatever. We don't know what's going on.

Then you look at the border and the fact that we just have a legal piling into your country. We have ridiculous rules in place like I can't currently be here in this country because unvaccinated people are still not allowed in America as we speak. You have inflation at record rates. You have fuel prices that are at record highs. I'm failing to see what's been good about this administration.

And in a recession, we're not that bad because they change the definition in real time in a recession, well, mind you, we're, we're not that bad because they change the definition in a real time of a recession. We're sending literally how much is it so far? Tell it to Ukraine. How many billions? Three trillion. Three by two, three trillion. Two trillion. Well, this just this past. We got to Google that. I think Ukraine the past year is 80, 50 to 80 billion dollars. We're such a bad billion. Billion or trillion. No, build not. Not true. This was more money. Build you great. This was March 10th. So when you

just said, no, trillion, we do not send 1.5 trillion dollars to Ukraine. This wait, can I just say this was Googleed, but this is not right now. There's a lot you can Google that's accurate. But one, but this is the issue disagree with so this isn't I'm just saying we did not send 1.5 trillion They just passed the bill because I mean right now we're at 80 billion. Yeah, there's a big difference in one point five trillion and 80 billion guys That's that's a trillions. Yeah, that's a bill that they just passed that we are going to add 3.2 trillion It's not gonna stop when my point being is 3.2 trillion to Ukraine guys. No, get an accurate

No, oh, how well was going to be accurate? Something you agree with. Let's just see a fact, Katie. I don't know. You just saw a headline. You are sending money to, yeah, so now we're believing headlines. Yeah, I remember the number being somewhere around $60 billion. Everything I've seen is 70 to 80, but I'm not looking.

I mean, I don't need to be a mathematician. You're saying 70 to 80 billion and we're talking about trillions We know how numbers work here guys is a billion or trillion Which is it's billions right now, but what she said up from what I think when you're saying is Katie They they passed a bill and Mars is saying they're gonna give them up to 1.2 trillion dollars It's not gonna stop. But going back to my point is, if we're such in bad shape and everything's going downhill, so how do we have the goal to send them?

So that was one of my points that I didn't ask earlier. What is our goal on helping them so much? What, why are we so invested in this war? And mind you, it was only a two week thing where I saw that you crane ribbons and every website was Ukraine and then keeping up the Kardashians came on and people were like, the hell would Ukraine

what's happening with Kim's vagina? Cause that's what sold people's attention to this band. So that's why I was very curious. It's true, like it's so true. We're the same in the UK, so these people that had flags up for our socialized health groups. Two weeks.

Yeah, for NHS. And then they took those down and put up Ukraine flag every week Every week is something different and then the people who brought in Ukraine refugees realized they didn't really like Ukraine people And we're trying to get the money Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty funny. Yeah, no, it's not it's not up to 1.2 trillion Vinny I want to make sure we get that right okay at that 1.2 trillion 1.5 trillion dollars Under it was a portion going to Ukraine, portion going to pandemic, portion going to agencies.

I wanna say we're on the $70 billion number give or take to Ukraine thus far. $70 billion, which is real. In a recession, we have, oh no one saying no one's lost real money. I'll just say it's not one and a half trillion dollars to, you want and a half trillion, we can buy Ukraine. We don't even, we just can say, hey, your hours, we can buy you Crane. We don't even know if you just can say,

hey, your hours come over here for good food. That's literally my point. They passed a 1.5 trillion spending goal, which was healthcare and social security. It was a million. And then a percentage of that, a good not the full 1.5 trillion. It wasn't healthcare security.

That's not what he just said. You added there were, I know I'm saying there were other parts of the bill I don't idea what those are like social security make it sound like it's going to Americans it won't be of the 1.5 trillion 80 billion went to Ukraine Okay, so that means there's 1.425 trillion They go to Ukraine 80 billion going to Ukraine at a time when Americans kind of put gas in their cars. It's a bit silly. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not 100% zero money to anybody when there's as a veteran to better

hate it. That's a different conversation. That's too afraid that we should spend any money to Ukraine. I'm still that they're on 3.2. But I appreciate you. You just went on 1.5 trillion to 3.2 trillion. But you went to 3.2 trillion was always a lot of money. The 1.5 trillion to 3.2 trillion 3.2 trillion was always the number 5 is the bill That's from from March correct. Yeah, you're saying I just want to be clear. I'm not being an asshole

You're saying that we actually sent 3.2 trillion dollars to Ukraine. I believe that's where you're at No, that's not where I'm at yours. No, I believe that's where the number is at That's what I would love a fact check use a duck duck go use a Google use a bang? I don't care I think that's a highly inaccurate number. There's no way we spent three point two trillion dollars on you grain Katie The number the number three point two Katie you may be mixing it up and and I'm totally fine if I'm wrong The three point two is how much we spend in Afghanistan in 20 years. That number is three trillion dollars. We spend 20 years in Afghanistan. I think when it comes down to Ukraine, I do think it's 70 to 80 billion dollars. And maybe we can get

to a point of agreement, which is would Americans choose to spend that money in Ukraine? Oh, listen, no, that part is a completely different discussion, which is like we got 32 and a half, the 32,000 give or take a veterans who are homeless right now, we can easily spend some of that money to take care of that. These are guys that put their lives on the line to dying in the service. We're more veterans. Yeah. We're in the same boat. We're okay. So there's 32 of them that are 32,000 of them that are home. That money can be spent elsewhere. My biggest concern with Ukraine was how suddenly that became our number one priority in the world of what's going on there.

And in Iran, which you're supposed to be, the feminist, true feminists are supposed to be more about concern about Iran than Ukraine because Putin is not targeting women. Putin is targeting a country. The Iranian government is targeting women and women's rights. That's what Americans, feminists are like, I'm all about taking care of women. And this is where the priorities don't make sense. They're not looking at what's going on.

They're not helping out the people. They're looking out over here. You know, look, the one thing you said about Rand Paul, and yesterday, even when we talked to Kurt Schilling about the fact that people talked to these guys, I feel like nothing's getting done. I love what Rand Paul said at the end of the discussion with Anthony Fauci when Anthony Fauci said what he said, Rand Paul finished that he says history will reveal whether you were right or wrong. History will not favor you. Some statement like that

because history is not going to favor him. And the other part in regards to voting, I used to be from the same mindset. I want to make sure the audience doesn't believe that. And I'm going to challenge it. You can challenge it back. I think voting is super necessary because if you think nothing changes, roll the weight and what just happened a few months ago or last year Whatever the time was few months ago 10 months ago 12 months ago is a byproduct of flipping three seats under one term Which has never happened so voting has a lot of power if you control Supreme Court Six three is the reason why Roe V-Wade Is no longer a thing and states get to decide how they want to treat

abortion. So I do think voting has a lot of power. I think what is going to happen is midterms white matters. Say Democrats keep Senate and Republicans keep house. Guess what that means? There's a gridlock. So now if it's a gridlock, that actually favors the people because nothing crazy at a whack can pass.

So that's why a lot of people are out there like yourself going out They're running around talking and promoting and her shall walk around whoever it is your Spending time with because it actually matters today a lot like we need nothing to happen for I know people You know, we need actually sometimes nothing happening is better than things happening that are bad. So sometimes you just kind of like, like, don't do shit for two years. Just be there. You're our president for the rest of your life. Biden last name is going to be remembered in US history books. It's going to not going to be obviously the best president ever. Is that good enough for you? No, it's not believe me. Just someone that just

just be there. Shut up. Don't say nothing. Don't screw up anymore. Is that really what an American is really asking for an president? It's the way nobody's asking that. But the reality of it is he's the president. And you know, he has the power to do a lot of different things that you he's in for four years. You can talk whatever you want with election. You can talk whatever you want with, you know, is he going to wake up one morning and pull off a list? Trust. Well, some people don't want that to happen because then I'm just coming up with a question. I started the bit before that.

Is he going to wake up one morning? I pray to God not. Oh, you're going there. I went there before he got a lot of people don't want that because you get come on. You don't want that. You actually don't want that genuinely want him to die. Oh, no. I just, you know, I prefer he was an Everett and stowed as the president.

I just think it's a real pity that the greatest country on the face of planet Earth has a demented old man who doesn't know where he is being put in as president. That seems to me. Do you love Biden? You want him as your president? No, I'm not. I'm not a Biden lover, but I'm not also not a Trump supporters You know, I'm a little conflicted. Yeah, so okay, so get it real quick question because I'm still kind of I who do you think?

I know it's still early who do you think is going to run and There's been a lot of people that are like I'm because I remember when who's who's the girl that flip recently? Tulsa Gabat Tulsa Gabat I like people like maybe if you know the Sanctus gets it maybe peppers If they did there's been so much like speculation what what do you what do you think and what do you what do you want and what do you think Is gonna happen. I want Disantes with Tulsa Gabat is there be because she brings women show bring Democrats show bring the independence Disantis will bring the fire. Yes. And we'll be a unified. That's what I want.

What I think will happen, I think Trump will put a run in it, will be a massively split issue and someone else will prevail. But I don't know who that is. Got you. When you say someone else you mean on the left? No, so a different candidate would make it through. You're saying that if Trump runs, someone else could beat him?

Yes, I believe that's true. What do you think could beat Trump? Well, I mean, I'm the foreigner on time. That'll be for the screen. Less okay. We've already known you have no problems sticking your toes in other people's business. So why stop now? What do you think is going to beat Trump?

Well, I believe DeSantis could beat Trump. Absolutely. I don't think Pence could. I don't think a young kid could yet. He's not well known enough. I think Gavin Newsom's already picking out the kind of drapes. Gavin Newsom's definitely already picking out other people's skin that he could wear in his fucking American psycho costume. He walked when a Biden, I don't know where Biden was overseas somewhere. Newsom took out this jacket. He's walking in the water. He's like, oh yeah, it's all set up. Yeah, he goes with like a baby

Biting dogs they get out there. You're not here. He's formidable. Say whatever you guys want. He's formidable. He's marketable, you know They gonna do some For sure guys He is I didn't I didn't say anything about policies anything you just said 80% of people in America You know 80% of people, you know, you have to look at themselves in a mirror right? So people don't vote based on policies people vote on who looks good who sounds good Yeah, who can give a good one-liner who can give some? Unfortunately, that's how a lot of people I totally agree with you. Yeah, so that's how people desire it

So that that guy is extra to under under the same way people underestimate a Trump who hate. There's a lot of people that hate Trump, right? And they were underestimating him. People people like yourself or culture or a lot of people were going out there saying, watch, you're going to eat your words. Watch it. And you remember the day when they announced the face. That hands were popping up.

Girls were keeping your school, schools were closed and they were bringing emotional animals like pet the zebra in the back because you're gonna kill yourself. And I think once I said, I'm a comedian. I went on stage in Colorado and there was people like two people in the back crying. They were bringing like cheap, adopt and like emotional went on stage in Colorado and there was people like to read in the back crying they were bringing like cheap and like emotional support animals to college universities because

people couldn't take it. My favorite was when I was watching CNN and they had to, this is on election night when Trump had won which I don't think he did last time as well, but I'm yeah, he won and they were trying to call Pennsylvania and it was like they had some sort of facial palsy because they just hooded in the back. They could have bring themselves to the call. It was so funny. It was amazing.

So I said one thing about Newsom, not a California guy, but I've been pretty explicit about that cringey July 4th ad that he did. Oh yeah. He definitely looks the part. I'm not a big Newsom fam actually think he's annoying. He definitely looks the part. Good looking guy. He's six three by the way Katie. So that's, you know, not a short guy. So you'll probably like him. However, if you slept with Kimberly Kylfoil, you're out already. Well, that's down to Trump

Jr's current girlfriend. So it's pretty pathetic. However, he does look the part. So if you're just looking at optics, we all know that situation with JFK versus Nixon back in the day that if you're listening on radio, you're like, well, Nixon won this. But if you're watching on TV, JFK was the guy. Clearly, so visual and marketability is a big thing. I also think on the flip side,

these days, and this is Kudos to Trump, and a lot of people that, you know, why they like him is he's at least authentic and Gavin Newsom strikes me as the least authentic just cringy politician out there like I'm here to tell you that like it's just so phony and it's so fake and it's so fucking corny and inauthentic and I think if you're just judging a book by its cover He kind of has that vibe, but you actually listen to what he's got going on, I don't think the American people support him. And here's my other question to the end.

And I respect Adam because as much as he hates Trump, he can say something like I understand why I like Trump. And I'm not okay. I got to say. But when you can say stuff like you understand, you got the policies, you got to, it was the person, it was the image, it was the cover of the book. So that's why I understand what you're saying with Newsom and I was an advocate who what if it's gonna be him And I bite and says he's going to try to think so who's gonna run who's gonna be the second one to go who's gonna

The second so news to try to be the president of a Democrat left on the left. I have my idea You're not saying Michelle I think it if Michelle runs, she wins 100%. Oh, she wins. Michelle runs. She was. But do you think she runs? I don't, I don't, I'm less than 10% on Michelle. I'm Michelle. And by the way, if she, if she is asking friends and family, like people that and people that she values their opinion, I don't know if you're gonna have a better life

than the one you do. If it's purely for history, go for it, but you're young. Like go enjoy 30, they can enjoy 30 years of an unbelievable life at the young age that they have parties, life, enjoy, they can do that. Now, if it's about history, she's, Hillary's not in Michelle's league. I think Michelle can hold her own. I think she can talk, she can do that. Now, if it's about history, she's, Hillary's not in Michelle's league. I think Michelle can hold her own. I think she can talk. She can communicate. She can

sell. She can edify. But I think there's, I think there's quietly behind closed doors. I don't know why. Is there no chance that I think this is the season, this, the season for some, you know, out of nowhere candidates to choose to run that actually have a good chance to become in the nominee on the left. I don't think on the right. I don't think on the right. I don't think anybody stands a chance to be ahead of Trump in the sense. But on the left, I think Mark Cuban, this is a good time.

I think rock this is a good time, although he won't do it. I think Michelle, this is a fantastic time, but I think this is a good time although he won't do it. I think Michelle this is a fantastic time but I think this is a season like even those Hollywood stars and billionaires who have a name for themselves. This is a very very good time. I'll make a prediction. I think Cuban is going to step away from a apprentice and he's going to go spend time with his family. Shark tank. Yeah. I'm sorry, shark tank. Shark tank, yeah. And he's going to come back and he's going to say after spending time with my family,

they've encouraged me to want to run because they think America has a lot of problems and they believe I can solve it. And have a plan and all of a sudden in next 9, 12 months, you're going to hear him making an else. Mark Cuban, I think so. And by the way, I tell you one thing. I, he's a capitalist, but he's also, he's a, he's a liberal. He's a, he's a guy on the left, but he's not a socialist.

He is a capitalist. Uh, I think he has a chance to actually be somebody on that side. I fully agree with you. And I would vote for Mark Cuban as far as that over a Biden or a Trump or anything divisive like that. Any day of the way. Cuban over the cent is. Um, I, I, I would generally, as far as that over a Biden or a Trump or anything divisive like that. Any day of the way. With Cuban over the cent is.

I would genuinely want to see them on the stage together and have an unbiased, like genuinely curiosity, curious mind to see what they have to say. I would actually appreciate that. Let me put it to you this way. I didn't say I support. I just said I think they appreciate that. Let me put it to you this way. I didn't say I support. I just said I think they would run. I'm not sitting here telling you, I'm supporting a Cuban running or not.

I'm not because he still is a person that is gonna lean more towards shutdown, things like that. So just so you know, like government laws and all of that. That is not something that I just so you know, like government laws and all of that. That is not something that I'm, I'm You know, I think the Santas will be like how Florida was during COVID is how America would be if the Santas was president Just think about that. But if Cuban is president and another COVID happens, it's gonna happen. What happened with the shut down? That's the only ask you guys. You're bringing up Cuban because at the end of the day You know that it's a realistic possibility.

You couldn't win. You're not saying it's not a far-fetched idea. No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying I would support or not. I'm not saying that. I'm not asking to support. You're saying it's it's it's something that's feasible. Let me put it to this way. He is a fool if he doesn't run. I'm telling you right now. He's a fool if he doesn't run. I'm telling you right now he's a full if he doesn't run. If he's ever had, which I, I'm, again, gut feeling. I don't know the guy. We don't have a relationship. I, we've done a, you know, one time I did an interview with him and he was kind enough to, uh, uh, have me go to his office in American Airlines. We sat down. We had a great two-hour conversation, brilliant guy, smart guy. If he's ever found be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy.

He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy.

He's going to be a great guy. He's going to be a great guy. He's going to keep riding this train. Let me let me not work. Let me not work. What I think he would do, he would actually talk to the people. Like he would be on Twitter saying, he's gonna give you his, you know, what he believes needs to happen to the border. He's not gonna be hiding. Okay. But Cuban's not gonna be hiding. You know how quickly he would respond

to an email I would send him? Like I couldn't believe how quick he would respond. At two o'clock in the morning, one time him and I were emailing each other back, 30 seconds, boom, 30 seconds back. So so he is like he's like this is on the ball yeah he's he's he's a guy that will actually circulate amongst the troops like he'll fly out and go meet with people he'll sit down he'll do those types of things I him but I think he's gonna be more pro shutdown I think he's

gonna be more pro you know control I think he's gonna be more pro that of know, control. I think he's going to be more pro that of the mindset. And I think that doesn't sit well with people who like with the Santas. Got you. And some others. That's why I moved here. I moved here for four months ago to come here at work for bad and I left California. And this is when you, with the Santhas, like you light up just like me, that's one of the main reasons that I was like, yeah, I'll come here. And that's one of my things about Newsom is I get that he's so remarkable. I get that he's a brilliant speaker but half of California or whatever is statistically accurate leaving California They you can't get a you-hole truck to get you from California to Florida anymore And you can get paid to bring a you-hole truck back from Florida. Oh really? Yeah, that's amazing

What is it the first time in a hundred years they've had a net? Yeah, so what's the term? Oh really? Yeah. Well, that's amazing. What is it? The first time in a hundred years they've had a net. Yeah. So what's the term net? Really? Net vacancy. People leaving the country. Well, we have a guest here with us. So let's, let's, if we can turn our attentions over to our guest, if we haven't already,

the Zoom's been switched over to him. Look, I'm excited about having a professor Matthew Bonon for a couple different reasons. You know, he practices professor of the practice of energy national security and foreign policy. Then he once again give a formal proper introduction. He's an American nuclear and energy policy analyst. Curly a professor practice at the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University. Co-principal investigator of the Belfer Center Project on Managing, The Atom, and his father, George Bunn, was a leading figure in the field of arms control who helped

draft and negotiate the nuclear non-proliferation, treaty of 1968, limiting the spread of nuclear weapons worldwide. Matthew Bunn, it's good to have you on. If you can hear us, let us. If you can hear us, let us know if you can hear us. You look like you're frozen. Can you hear me? Okay, I can hear you now.

I can hear you now. Can you hear us or no? I can hear you. Let me know if you'd rather I turn off my video that might help a little bit. You're actually fine now. Whatever you're doing now, it's fine. So it's good to have you on.

I, you know, we got an article that came in and the team was talking about it. Where somebody asked you a question, how like these are Russian nuclear strike in Ukraine? And this was on October 2, 2022. An NPR article, your answer was we have a 77-year tradition. Some call it a taboo of of non-use of nuclear weapons. Russia is threatening that.

And you went on to say a few different things. We need to do everything we can to maintain that tradition of not using nuclear weapons in combat. So, there's a lot of talks about this, whether it'll get there or not, a lot of people are concerned. You're hearing words being thrown around of a World War III and that's been training on Twitter on a few different days. From your perspective of somebody that's been in this, your father's been in this, this has been your topic of discussion for your entire life, how likely is it that we'll get there that a Putin or someone will take the first initiative

of turning into a nuclear war. So I don't think we're going to get to a World War III where the United States and Russia are lobbying nuclear weapons at each other. They are both highly, highly motivated not to do something that could lead to the end of both countries as functioning societies. What I'm more worried about is the possibility that Russia might use a few nuclear weapons in Ukraine itself. The United States has said that it would respond in ways that were catastrophic for Russia. What I'm hearing is not a nuclear response, but rather political, economic sanctions, but also conventional military responses in that event.

But we would have to expect that Russia would then respond to that, and the situation could get quite dangerous. Nonetheless, I think it's very, very unlikely we'd end up ending up with anything remotely resembling what people think of as World War III. Got it. So, World War III to you would be as if US got involved. How likely is it if a Pearl Harbor top of a situation happens when Japan attacks us and then a few years later that happened under FDR and a few years later under Truman He decides to nuke them and it's the only time this has happened two times in a history of mankind

What we've actually nuke the place? How likely is it that this will be only between Russia and Ukraine were Putin to save face and how the world is pitching him at the end of his career to say, this is not gonna be happen, and he looks Ukraine, and then there's a agreement, and it's over it versus a World War III. So I think there are a number of different ways it could play out, very few of which lead to World War III.

The reality is, Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons. The United States has thousands of nuclear weapons. Each of them are highly, highly motivated, not to lob nuclear weapons at the other. But in Ukraine, Putin can't afford to lose politically, and he is losing at the moment and he has Threatened that he would use all weapons at his disposal if the Ukrainians attacked Areas that he considers now a part of Russia which the Ukrainians are highly motivated to do now is that a bluff? Possibly I think there's only maybe a 10 20% chance that he would use a few nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

He might use them for coercion. He might use a few on a battlefield and then say, unless you agree to my terms, I'm going to start hitting cities next. unless you agree to my terms, I'm going to start hitting cities next. So that's what we have to put up with. I think the United States might get involved in that circumstance, not with nuclear weapons, but using conventional strikes, for example, on the units that carried out the nuclear strikes in Ukraine. How do you feel about the way President Biden and our administration is handling the situation with Russia specifically when it comes down to you know how we're handling the relationship with Putin in this

case where the approach we're taking the average person that doesn't follow politics doesn't read Wall Street Journal doesn't watch CNN or Fox News or any of that stuff. To them, the average person that's having watching football on Sunday in the topic of Putin comes up, they they throw him in the category of dictators and people in the past that have done a lot of harm to a lot of people. But you know, some people are split and insane. Look, this guy is his priority is Russia He never wanted to go into World War 3 his main thing is the history of Ukraine It was part of Russia whoever negotiated before he wasn't a part of it

He's a true loyalist to what us as our once was and he just wants his land back And he wants everybody in the world to stay out of it and NATO to stop, you know, trying to recruit Ukraine back to him. Why are you doing that? I told you that's the one thing I don't want you to do. So from your optics, how would you, how would you view how President Biden's been handling it and what Putin's motivation is behind this whole situation that we're in right now? Well, I'm sorry to say part of your question I would argue is reflecting the success of Russian propaganda. Ukraine is an independent sovereign country. Russia

has agreed that for decades that Ukraine is an independent sovereign country and under the United Nations charter countries are not allowed to just invade their neighbors and seize chunks of their land That was the fundamental thing that the United Nations was established to prevent and now we have a founding member of the United Nations with a Vito on the Security Council waging aggressive war on its neighbor so I Do think overall I would give the Biden administration quite high ratings. They have used selective release of U.S. intelligence to warn the world of what Russia was about to do and make it more difficult for various Russian disinformation campaigns to succeed because the world was

warned ahead of time that they were going to happen. They have sort of increased over time the supplies to Ukraine and the kinds of weapons we've been willing to offer Ukraine and managed to avoid escalation with Russia. I think that we are going to end up in a big debate between people who say, you know, what Putin has done is just evil. We've got to push back, we've got to hold him accountable, and people who say, whoa, he's got thousands of new big weapons. It's dangerous to be in a situation where we have total hatred between our countries. It's not good for us, not good for the world. And I think there's going to be a tension between

those two equally legitimate arguments over the months to come. Last question here for you, unless it's a panel here as a question, you know, sometimes when this conversation comes up and you're with friends and you got Republicans and there you got Democrats and there you got Independents and there you got those who don't give a shit in there, right? They're just talking to each other and we're with friends and you got Republicans in there, you got Democrats in there, you got Independence in there, you got those who don't give a shit in there, right? They're just talking to each other and we all have friends and family when we're by ourselves talking, you know, some will say, well, Pat, say what you want, but Donald Trump, when he was president, there was no war. Nobody thought about ISIS, you know, Palestine and Israel.

Look at all the stuff that he did and everybody was afraid that was going to be World War III under Trump, but that never was a trending topic on Twitter, etc. Look what Biden is doing. He's causing World War III. We can potentially go there and look how much prams we're having on the way we left Afghanistan. And, by the way, these are people, some people that are saying this are people on the left

that are saying this. Matt Zeller, former CIA agent who, on Brian Williams talked about, hey, the way we left Afghanistan, that shouldn't been the right way to leave. There's a lot of people that are not happy about the way we've handled things under Biden administration. And a lot that we're hoping that a Biden would have been somebody that would have been more peaceful, less warless issues. But it seems like every other day you turn on the news, there is some kind of issues going on, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's Iran, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's Russia.

So what do you say to the people that say under Trump, US was more at peace and less fear of war was there and under Biden, it's been constant fear of potential war. What do you say to those people? Well, I respectfully disagree. The reality is, in 2017, as soon as Trump came to power, he launched a massive crisis with North Korea that almost led to war. And it's absurd, I would argue, to blame Biden for Putin's aggressive decision to invade Ukraine. Putin has been planning this for some time, including during the Trump administration. So I think this is in Putin's lap. He wants to grab more land that doesn't belong to him and the world has appropriately stood up to that aggression. The United Nations General Assembly just voted overwhelmingly

to condemn Russia's annexation of Ukrainian land as illegal under international law and the Biden administration has really done a remarkable job in pulling the NATO alliance together in a way Trump utterly failed to do when Trump was president. God, I have a question. Just so we're all clear, would you reveal where you lean politically or you on the left or you're on the right, are you more of a moderate, are you just a believer in common sense or you're just an educator. What would you reveal?

So I regard myself as a political centrist, but it is true that I have served in the past in democratic administrations and have largely it offered my advice primarily on the democratic side. OK, so does that negate you from having have incredible ability? I don't think so. I think in our country we need to have bipartisan cooperation on not only national security but a wide variety of things if we want to have sustainable public policy over time. Unfortunately in the world that we have today, our country is so polarized

that we keep reversing course on policy after policy every time one party or another takes power. Just just a question before we go to Katie Hopkins, I got one question for you. We had do you remember Mr. Peter Pry? Yep. Okay, we had him on a couple times. He just passed away. A month and a half ago, two months ago, I don't know if you knew that or not. He just passed away. Yeah, Peter, did you know Peter Pry?

No, but you just broke that news. Oh, yeah, he just passed away two months ago. We had him on the podcast twice in a span of a month, and then two months later, he passed away. Crazy. Are you familiar with what his belief system, what he believed, he viewed the nuclear threat that we had? Did you and him speak regularly? Because I like what you just said right now. Adam said, do you lose credibility to say what you say? And he said, no, you know, this is how America

is. We get to sit there in debate and, you know, agree. And this agree. And we get to say, well, I agree with Professor Bon, I agree with Peter Pry. How different of a world view did you have when it comes out to nuclear threats from Peter Pry, the late Peter Pry? So I think somewhat different. There are lots of different views.

And in these areas. Peter was especially concerned. I would argue almost obsessively concerned about one particular aspect of the nuclear threat, which is the possibility of a hostile state detonating a nuclear weapon up in space where it could create a massive electromagnetic pulse that would short out a lot of our electrical systems over much of the United States if we were a big enough bomb detonated in the right place. And Peter did a lot of great work on elucidating that threat, but I would argue that's only one of many nuclear threats that we face. John, thank you for that, Katie.

So my question is about Zelensky and to what extent you think he's actually an authentic or legitimate leader or whether you think perhaps he is as I believe an actor or a puppet in the sense that he was an actor in rubbers and high heels until relatively recently and now we're supposed to believe he's Winston Churchill. So my question is about Zalensky and my second question is given you say nuclear war is unlikely. To what extent do you think Americans, ordinary Americans, Rust Belt Americans really care about what's going on in Ukraine. To what extent do you think they could find it on a map? To what extent do you think spending in excess of maybe a billion or a trillion dollars in Ukraine really matters

to people who can't put fuel in their car? So two questions. I would argue Zalensky has proven to the surprise of many to be a remarkable wartime leader. And partly I think his media experience in the past has allowed him to sort of dominate the information space within Ukraine in a very clever way that has unified the Ukrainians much more than they ever were in the decades leading up elected this leader. It is somewhat hilarious for Putin to be describing the government of Ukraine as a bunch of Nazis when they elected by a vote of something like 70% a Jewish president Zelensky. I do think you're absolutely right that a lot of Americans don't really care much about what happens in Ukraine.

But I think they should because the principle that countries aren't allowed to just invade their neighbors and grab chunks of their land, if that principle goes away, we're in a very, very dangerous world. And that was the principle that we all agreed to after World War II. And we want to avoid getting back into situations where we're fighting wars like World War II. I think blocking Russia in Ukraine is actually quite important to U.S. national security in the end. And that's going to be playing out over the course of the months. And of course, there is an enormous difference between a billion, which we've already spent more than that,

and a trillion, which has a thousand times a billion, which is there's no prospect of spending remotely that. Say those numbers again, what do you think we actually spent? they're spending remotely that. Say those numbers again, what do you think we actually spent? Well, we've spent several billion, I think over 10 billion at this point in military and economic assistance to Ukraine. It's gonna be expensive when the war is over

for some combination of Ukraine and the international community as a whole to rebuild the place because the amount of damage that's been done is just horrifying. Like a rebuilding plan. We were having a friendly debate over here how much money we actually spent or have sent to Ukraine. If some of us believe it's in the billions, some of us believe it's in the trillions, it's, do you have an accurate number? It's not remotely close to the trillions. Trillions is a really big number. A trillion is a thousand billions. But you just said it's 10 billion. That seems, that seems very, probably over 10 billion at this point.

It's not a thousand. It's around 70 billion. It's around 70 billion give or take. It's, it's a lot of money that we spend. I, I don't think that's correct, well i don't have no other degree on anything that's what we don't know that but i agree it's billions kate we're not it's not trillions but he says ten he said seventy i say really ten ten billion and seventy billion is a lot closer together than one point i got trillion professor Matthew

bond first of all thank you so much for taking a time to come and you're given your perspective very helpful thank you so much. We're taking a time to come and give you a perspective. Very helpful. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful day. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Different perspective, you know, to see where it's at. And he is more optimistic that nothing's going to be happening. So it's interesting to see what happens there. Go ahead. We're going back to what it is weird to me is that to him, it's only 10 billion into her. It's in the trillions.

And to me, it's 70. I think it's seven. No, no, Billy. But no, the point, the point is that people who are in this world are actually not tracking like what the dollar amount is. He thought it's only $10 billion. I don't know. It's not $10 billion. And when you said 70, he was like, no, there's no way. He's not $10 billion. I think because people here, like you were saying,

that we, we, we, the people are just distracted. But then going back to like our, you know, the way Biden's handling again, the, the, the, the, the, the, Zalinsky, I think it was January, back in January, when the whole thing was about to happen with, you know, put in a meeting, I think, uh, Biden even said, you know what we're not gonna get involved It's if it's a minor incursion do you remember when he was basically inviting them to come in there to start this whole To whole thing and I don't know listen I know you might his father knew about nukes or whatever I worked at a nuclear missile base And I was hands-on in the military with people that were miss the lears that was they were brilliant about nukes

They knew about it. If a nuclear weapon goes off in Ukraine from Russia, I don't care what anybody says, it's the beginning of an end. It's a nuclear weapon, okay? It's gonna change the people, the land, the atmosphere, the, it's overrun, and if he does something like that, say what you want, we're not in a war with Russia, but we're giving billions of dollars to one side. like that. Say what you want. We're not in a war with Russia, but we're giving billions of dollars to one side. That's like if two gangs are fighting and I give you guns, money,

troops, guess what? Say what you want. You're in the fight. It's a war, but we're involved someone in this war. And if one new goes off, I'm telling you right now, other people that have them, they're going to start to get edgy because if he's saying, what's going to happen? We're going to go and do more sanctions if he does a nuke in Ukraine. What the hell, that's not gonna do anything. And Pat, you should know this is a military guy. If a bomb goes off at that magnitude, even if it's a tactical, everything changes.

It's over, it's over. Because then other people are like, oh shit, they're really doing this. Now we have to get, you know, we have to get kind of involved because we have them too. And I mean, if that goes off, it's gonna be really ugly.

I so agree with you, America is totally in that world. 100% and like so when the bridge blows at Kishon, everyone says that's the American. That was Biden. 100% street, whether it's real, not listen out or the other. Yep. Or what we can agree is that everybody thinks a different thing. Yep. And that's true in America about lots of stuff. One hundred percent. Everyone thinks what they believe is fact. Yep. Exactly. Yeah. I Yeah, I think we're all in a gris. Nobody wants a new clear rule. Okay, so ugly. It'll be very nobody wants that. But at the same time,

he did bring up one major point. You can't just invade other countries. Now, there's a debate what the relationship is with Ukraine and Russia in the past. And all the situation they have. But you end doctrine, you don't just invade countries and you have other countries on Russia's border, i.e. Finland, for example, that just joined NATO. That's like, look, they're on our border. Can I say what? We're not exactly in a good situation. One thing that is a bit weird is that when you did his CV and you read it the second time

on his bio, he talks about what his dad did. Yeah, I've never done that my dad used to work on the electricity board used to do electric cables Should I should I throw that in my CV? What is your dad used to do my father was a little electrical engineer? Oh me too. Yeah Yeah, that's why we good people. Yeah, we're good. What did your father used to do? He gave us fathers resume It was a But I mean, but countries doing Vade other countries, I mean, we did it in Iraq because we said that they had no, we said that they have weapons and mass destruction. We knew that they didn't. We still went, now we're going to invade and take over that once we found out they didn't

have any. We're like, we're going to change the name to the war to enduring freedom. It's like, come on, but that invasion stuff is still happening. And I think that we kind of were like, kind of going veiled a little bit, but we're not going to get involved on Litzett's really serious. And now look what's happening. There's a threat of nuclear war.

So, and like we said earlier, nobody cares. Do you think the average person we walked outside right now, you said, you know that we're getting kind of close. And this is going down there and like, why do I care? Why? You know, most of are you don't do about US politics here internally yeah you're right okay so now you're asking them to care across the

pond no across Eastern Europe into Russia I'm supposed to know who Voldemort Valinsky is I'm supposed to know that he's shorter than Putin I don't know what's going on I mean they should but they're not so I don't I wonder if you would just have the same feelings if Taiwan tried to take over land in Japan or China or like a hypothetical, right? Or flip it. Ukraine marches into Russia. Do we stand up and send Russia $80 billion or $50 billion or $3.2 trillion to stop the Ukrainians?

Yeah, well, that's also a strong man argument. Ukraine is not trying to invade Russia. No, but your claim is that Taiwan. Exactly. Okay, and I imagine China invading Taiwan is realistic. Taiwan invading China is unrealistic. No, I'm not invading Ukraine is real is happening. Ukraine invading Russia is unreal.

It's not a strong man. He's asking about principle. So what if India invades China? If India invades China, I'm asking about your principles and if it's the same across the board. Yeah, that would obviously be it. So we would send $80 billion into the Chinese to stop an Indian invasion of China.

Well, based on your, it's like India asking if your principles hold up. It's like, this is the beautiful thing that you're doing kind of like Katie does. You have some truth and some conjecture and some falsehoods. And you're like, you hold up. It's a beautiful thing that you're doing. Kind of like, Katie does. You have some truth and some conjecture and some falsehoods. And you're like, way in on it. I'm like, well, there's some stuff you're saying that is agreeable.

And sometimes it's not. You're trying to paint me in a corner as if I'm so sick. No one's trying to put you in a corner. Nobody puts that in the corner. No one puts you in the corner. I'm not. We try to get you out of the corner emotionally. Can you pull up what I just sent you?

It's important to show this is, so here's from New York Times, four ways to understand the $54 billion aid, money in US spending and Ukraine. Can you see the whole thing or no, will it allow you to go up or not? No, but this is from May 20th. So this is what I'm saying to you is that was five months ago. Right. Since then, we've given another giver, take 20 billion out of the 54 billion we gave. And 9 billion was to help an economically.

Seven billion was food assistance and health care. Six billion was their military and security assistance. Five billion was grants and loans for military supplies. Another one billion was for migration and refugee assistance. Then some for Europe and Central Asia assistance. Then for an aid, then 12 and a half billion for weapons and other supplies. And 8 billion for military deployments and intelligence.

Just in that 54 billion. And it's been another 20 billion or so since then. And an hour ago, insider just broke. Lawmakers could rush through another 50 billion in aid for Ukraine. And an hour ago, insider just broke. Lawmakers could rush through another 50 billion in aid for Ukraine. So we're getting close to that trillion. But no, we're not close to the trillion. But we're not close to the trillion.

But we're over 100 billion if we give that. You can go three pounds a lot of money. I agree. But that's like saying I'm worth, because I don't have a million dollars. I'm worth a billion dollars. No, you're worth a million dollars. This is not boring I'm bored of billion, but just I just to be clear board of bill. I just want to be clear. How did you find that article?

Google I don't know Do we have our friends only or no? I'm gonna poke my eyes out with a friend. Yeah, we'll have a moment I'm gonna poke my eyes out with a friend. Yeah, we'll have a moment. And but I'm gonna have a moment. I'm gonna share a degree with this and you with two. If we took half, I don't even want to say the numbers. The number that we just saw, Katie.

And we put that to our border. And fix our people. America and the border, bro. Please, like, that's what we want. Like, it's enough of over there, overseas overseas. Help this, bro. So Vinnie, should we send any money? Any?

No, you know, Oh my God, God, any to foreign aid. Any, to be honest with you? No, we shouldn't. I don't think so. So we should have zero foreign money. I don't know,

because mind you, mind you, Adam. We have, we have military, yeah, I don't, I don't. We have military installations. I think we occupy 100, I could be wrong. I think it might be 160, one, something like that. We have military installations. I think we occupy 100, I could be wrong. I think it might be 160, one, something like that. We have bases everywhere. We're plotted everywhere to protect the world

with the world's police. When it comes to self-like things, nobody really helps us if we get into shit. I think until this is fixed, and it's not 100% fixable. As a veteran, when I see veterans on the street and they're dying, when I see homeless people, when I see the real problems that we have in Chicago, in the hood, the border, all the stuff,

and put that money in vest here, once we're solid, then I would say, okay, here's some money, here's some military assistance, but until we're chilling, I say no. So do you think we should send, if it was possible, any money to help the people of Iran? If we're secure, 100%, yes, I say yeah, 100%. Can I say?

So you think we should? I'm saying when it's a circumstance like that, not people just trying to start a war, 100%. What, what, but the point about NATO, at your point about America being the world's policeman, Germany and other countries like mine were not putting as much funding into NATO as a percentage of our GDP as America was. That was Trump's point was that Americans are unfairly spending to protect the world. When our countries are not putting up the dollars. So that's all my point was about the NATO spending thing.

That's why Trump was kind of pissing about. of Pisty I think Trump missed a massive marketing opportunity with the NATO thing everything with build a wall locker up drain the swamp three words Three words three when it came to NATO. How did you not just say make NATO pay? Oh, he was just it was a fucking bullshit crazy weird Argument it was made no sense Yeah, and if all he said was make NATO pay a lot of people have been like, okay three words simplified. I actually understand you I think he fell on that we like that. I like that. Yeah He got he got people to think about things that we've never thought about He got we have a modern oh, oh, sorry. Yeah, different conversation She's been on the

Trinidad really and I'm scaring well no because they don't look it for the They all have tech I just needed to borrow Tyler's set for a second don't Did you think I'll kiddie you don't have a phone on the sides? You're flaring oh come on some retouch Kiddie this is a phone You've ever seen This is a phone No, if you've ever seen one No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no me the first time they took my PayPal, when Trump tweeted me the second time and praised my outstanding journalism, they took my personal

bank account that I'd had since I was 14 years old, they just shut it down. What was the justification for that? You don't have to, obviously. It's only Andrew Tate, that just happened to Andrew Tate, they shut down when the bank should expand the whole... Yeah, they're just very rational. You're going to be shocked. I'm not an advocate of that whatsoever. Actually, I know you're not. Semper ties with you on that. That's ridiculous.

Take down your bank account. No, no, I don't think you do advocate for that. I don't think you're an asshole. Thank you. Actually, a lot of people have disagreed. No, you're not. You're not. You're not.

You're not. OK, so we have our friends here, our guests here from UK. We appreciate you guys for doing this. If we have them on, I don't see them. I think they're about to join. You may want to prove them. So Rob, Rob tested them. It should be on here in just a second.

Okay, sounds good. So the direction is that kind of thing. Yeah, I reckon. That's a good looking. Look, look, look, look, look, look, look at the hair. He could be in the long bea. And he could be, okay, look reckon that's a good looking at that He's a good looking at the air So the most important thing about looking at the hair He could be in the mafia And he could be okay, look at that Look at the eyebrows on him as well

Look at these eyebrows I mean, you can braid me You can braid my eyebrows They are beautiful No, they have been looked after I'll take a look at this little twinkly eyes He's a Syrian, always remember that Syrian Armenian, don't forget

Honey, honey, honey So if we got them on, I want to get right into it because Tyler you said they have a monitor do we go to another topic? They should be jump. I think they're through super the camera Rob just said we had him. I'm looking into it. He Tyler's so on it. That was not playing game Give me 30 seconds ever since you said the truth It's brain just you do a monkey right? How about this if we are gonna get this guy and can we tee up the story a little bit?

So I understand what it great. Okay. I would be the one to do it. It's not I'll tell you guys here in a minute why Tyler saying he has it. This is very important on the way. This is going to be set up so these ladies, these two girls, Phoebe Plummer and Anna Holland chose to protest in their own way. And they are part of the just oil activist. And they threw soup all over Van Gogh's iconic sunflower painting and they glued themselves to the

wall. And they're out of UK. And this was a trending topic all over the place. People were talking about it, they would go, we have them on. And I simply want to know what they're protesting and I want to give them the eyeball to share with us what they were really protesting. So if we have you on, if Phoebe is that you or you, and I'm sorry if I don't know the two names.

Hi, it's Donna. And how are you? I'm very well, thank you. you are you and I'm sorry if I don't know the two names. Hi, it's Donna. And how are you? I'm very well. Thank you. How are you? Very good. First of all, thank you for agreeing to do this and being on. We were trying to do that. I think last week something happened. Sometime we had a like three, four days ago and then we ended up doing it today. So if you don't mind, take a quick moment. What I just set it up as yourself and your friend Phoebe,

you guys are part of the just oil activists, you two chose to throw soup all over Van Gogh's iconic sunflower painting and you glued yourself to the wall. Can you share with us what point you were trying to make? Yeah, absolutely. So in just a while, our demands are that the government should end all new fossil fuel licenses. So currently trying to reach forward 100 new fossil fuel licenses, which will, without a doubt, kill us. It's a genocidal policy that they're trying to push forward. So in just a while, we are trying to prevent that from happening.

We're trying to save not just ourselves, was my children and our families. So we've decided to throw soup over van Gogh's painting as a way not just to make a statement about that and to get a people finally talking about this climate crisis, but also to get people talking about the cost of living crisis, which is fueled by the same people who were pushing forwards with climate crisis. Well, listen, whether you're getting criticized for your approach or not,

you got eyeballs and you got attention. So what you were trying to get accomplished, you got it, and people paid attention to what you're doing. But now, you said your concern is that this could kill us, this could get pretty ugly. Can you unpack that a little bit for us on your argument? Can you unpack that a little bit for us on your argument? Yeah, you know, so the science is clear. Since the first COP conference, 26 years ago, we have created more emissions than the entire humanity up until that point.

Right now, it is a mower of political will in needing to change this, rather than the science not being there. You know, this summer in the UK and the heatwave, we lost a third of our weak crops. We're set to lose half of our potato crops. We're heading towards mass famine. Right now, 33 million people are displaced by floods in Pakistan. 36 million people are facing severe famine in East Africa right now. The climate crisis isn't a problem of the future. We're seeing the catastrophic effects of it right now. Can I ask you what grade are you guys

in high school or in college? And we're both university students. Okay. I'm 20, I'm 21. Listen, please take that as a compliment that you look young. Don't take it by anything. It's just you look like you could be high school or college. So at what point did the climate crisis become a concern of yours? Do

you remember how old you were when the climate crisis became a concern of yours? And what was the setting when you sat there and said, you know, we better start paying attention to this? Was it early in high school? Was it in junior high school? Or is this a recent thing? Well, I personally began paying a lot more attention to not just the climate crisis, but the political climate in the world around me. It's around age 14. When I really started gaining an understanding of all the news headlines that were coming through and from that point, it just seemed that every single year things got worse and worse and scarier and scarier. So in 2018, I started finally trying to do something about that. So 2018 is when Extincter Rebellion really became popular in the UK.

And that's when I started getting involved in marches, in petitions, in writing letters to my member of Parliament. But then I realized none of that made a difference. No matter how many marches I went on or how many petitions I signed, there was no actual change happening. You know, a petition could be signed by millions of people. It gets sent to Parliament for House of Commons. But it debate it, throw it away, and it's done by the lunch break. You know, those methods didn't work and it was so frustrating. So I joined Justa Poehl because we are a peaceful protest group who use methods of civil disobedience and nonviolent direct action to actually make change happen and it really feels that since I started taking action just up well,

but finally what we're doing is making a difference. Yeah, I think for me, I became aware of it. It sounds a funny thing because I think now we all are quite aware of the climate crisis all to some extent. I became aware of it probably around five years ago. And at first, I think I only connected with it intellectually. You know you look at these science and the facts and these predictions and it's easy to connect with it intellectually. You can understand it but I'd ask anyone listening to this

right now to connect with it emotionally because for me that's when I knew I had to do something about it. Because as a young person, I'm terrified about the future we're facing. Are you really though? Are you really terrified? Are you really concerned for your life? Are you afraid of what's really gonna happen? And if yes, what do you think really will happen?

Like how bad do you think it's gonna to get if your concern is truly climate change that this thing is going to change? How bad do you think things are going to be? Because AOC said we may be, you know, seizing to exist in 12 years and I'm sure you guys have seen that when she said that a couple years ago and you know Greta, you know, Thunberg has gone around talking about how she called out a lot of different political leaders around the world for not doing anything. And she went out there and she got noticed by a lot of different people. Are you truly concerned about your future when it comes on to climate change?

Yeah, I really am. Last year, so David King, who was the former Chief Scientific Advisor in the UK. So what we do in the next three to four years will determine the future of humanity. Because there's these tipping points that scientists warn us of, which when you surpass them, you've done irreversible harm. It doesn't matter the kind of policy changes we make or the sustainable changes we make. Once you surpass those tipping points,

irreversible harm has been done. So as a young person, I'm terrified I'm gonna be denied the right to grow old. I'm terrified I'm going to live in constant fear of climate disaster. I'm terrified that I won't have access to clean water or food. And we know that these fears are real because right now millions in the global south are living the realities of these fears. And they're the people that have done the least to cause the climate crisis. So what do you think? What do you think about? the least to cause the climate crisis? So what do you think?

What do you think about? And listen, I'm not in this space. Neither are you guys. This is something you're protesting. I have my own things. I protest. That's important to me. We all have lived our lives.

And we have to respect everyone's concerns, fears, and passions that they have in their lives. But what do you think about rich people who work for these large insurance companies? Do you think they like losing money? Can you guys hear what we're now? I don't think anyone likes using money. That's why we have to use disrupts if tactics. And you know, in the UK right now,

we are entering an awful cost of living crisis. Right. Yeah, earlier this year, the head of British petroleum, one of the biggest oil companies in the UK. So he has more money than he knows what to do with. He has the audacity to say that when our country has plunged into this cost of living crisis, where this winter families are going to be forced to choose between heating and eating Parents are starving themselves so that they can feed their children And the head of this massive oil company says he has more money than he knows what to do with Yeah, so

But let me let me give you an idea where I was going with this question on What I what what's the one data that gets this argument to be done with is a lot of these actuaries in the insurance industry. Their job is to underwrite the billions of dollars that they're sitting on to protect it. Like their job is to manage risk. That's what they get paid to do. They go to universities, they come out and they're supposed to study every single thing and then this insurance company is sitting on say $50 billion, $20 billion, and you're coming and saying, I want to get ex-YZ insurance 30 years from now, 20 years from now.

Insurance cost of insurance is going lower, life insurance, different kinds of insurance that's going lower, because people are thinking we're going to live longer. Life expectancy has gone higher in many different countries in the world and the only reason actuaries are charging life insurance to be so cheap is because they're thinking we're going to lift to 100 like odds are right now Phoebe and I'm a little concerned for you guys you guys are two young healthy attractive girls you're probably going to lift to 100 it's all going to be all right for you to be afraid of the fact that the end of the world is coming kind of prevents you some of your best years of your life to enjoy yourself.

Now, don't get me wrong. I love the fact that you have a passion. But what do you think about these actuaries and these billion dollar insurance companies that when they do the math, they sit there and say, you're probably going to live to 100 years old. And if that's the case, that means maybe AOC and Greta are wrong. What do you think about these guys that went to school and they do math? All they're just a boring life. And they try to protect the billions of dollars of these insurance companies. Okay. So this year we have the worst droughts in 500 years. I'll destroyed a third of our week crop, half of our potato crop. In the UK, there's some, we reached 40 degree heat,

which is something that was not predicted to happen by scientists until 2050. In those just 48 hours of 40 degree heat, 1700 people died of heat exhaustion. The NHS ambulance system was put on black alerts. Fire brigade had a busiest day since the blitz. We're not worried about our future because we don't have a future to be worried about. This climate crisis is happening right now. We've got so lucky that this summer that heat only lasted 48 hours.

Next summer, it's going to last even longer. Next summer, even more people are going to die. But no, let's look sooner than this summer. OK, let's look at this winter just a few months. Two thirds of the UK families are going to be forced into fuel poverty. You know, children are going to freeze to death in their own homes because our government

are too lazy and too incompetent and too downright abusive to care about it. We're not fighting for some distant future. We can't afford to think that far ahead. I don't care about life insurance, because I'm not going to live long enough to cash us in. I understand what you're saying. Yeah.

I'm about to miss it. I don't want to get to 25. That's my only goal right now. You know, it's, it's's I understand what you're saying. And I respect your passion. And it's obvious, it's very sincere. And you're truly concerned about this. But I will tell you, to me, a lot of time

when you look at these greedy people, the good thing about greedy people is, you know, if their life revolves around money. So let's, you know, the person you guys were talking about earlier that he says, I have so much money, I can't even count. So, let's, let's judge those greedy people. The benefit about greedy people is they're, they're, they're, it's a very honest relationship. What matters to them is protecting their money and not risk losing their money, right? They're not willing to risk all the money that they've made and if insurance companies are still given insurance policies to people thinking you're gonna live another 80 years

That means that future is bright But you know the part of protesting for you and for you to do what you do super necessary go make your case People are gonna debate you they're gonna argue with you I remember when Al Gore 30 years ago said we're supposed to be dead today You know and Al Gore's documentary when he came up and he said I don't know what it was 25 when Al Gore 30 years ago said we're supposed to be dead today, you know, and Al Gore's documentary when he came up and he said, I don't know what it was 25 years ago or 30 years ago. And a lot of people sat there and said, what happened? You're arguing just didn't have any credibility. But it got a lot of young people to go out there and march and protest and get excited about it. So it's a very effective message.

Say that again. Already dead. I'm not saying that 10 years down, why are people going to die? People are dying now. Right now, we just have a climate crisis. Right, right. Well, go ahead, Katie. So yesterday, a lady that was involved in a car crash,

actually linked to one of my circle of friends, she died, because an ambulance couldn't get through, because your protesters just stop oil, were blocking the road, and the ambulance couldn't get through because your protesters just stop oil, were blocking the road and the ambulance couldn't get through in time. She couldn't get the help she needed and she died. Earlier you said that you are a peaceful protesters. My friend is dead. How do you answer that? We have a, we have a blue light policy, which means whenever we have road blocks, as soon as we hear sirens, we see the blue lights, people move out of the way. Even when people are gluing in the road,

there's always one lane that is kept clear so that people can move out of the way. And we have never had any complaints from either ambulances, fibre gate or any other emergency services. The video footage exists and the lady can't complain now because she's dead. Let me ask you another question Phoebe. Let me ask you what bills do you currently pay? Who pays for your accommodation at university?

My student loan. When have you ever paid any bills in your lifetime? No. So you don't know what it's like to be a homeowner and not be able to afford your energy bills and then see some stupid young people throwing soup over a painting in a gallery that has nothing to do with the fact they can't afford to pay their bills. You don't know what it's like to pay a bill fee, do you? No, but I have empathy for those people. You know, this, the climate crisis is fueled, but the cost of

living crisis is fueled by the cost of oil crisis. They are both one crisis. So crisis have greed of our government and their billionaire friends. What do you understand about an ordinary family who can't afford to pay their fuel bills, who needs ordinary fuel to be delivered? But because of green taxation, their bills are now so expensive, they can't afford them. And if we stop oil, how much more expensive do you think fuel's going to be fee-free? Or is it that you're just spouting out words that you and your friend think look good? How is it related to stopping oil to throw soup over a painting in a gallery? How is that related?

How is it helping the poorest people in my country? I understand that right now fossil fuels are subsidised 32 times more than renewables, even though renewables are 9 times cheaper. Would you rather your bills were £3,500 or £400? I would rather that you and your friends stopped wreaking havoc in the city of London. I'd rather you stop throwing soup over paintings, stop putting orange paint on the windows of Harrods, stop sitting in roads so that my friend couldn't get the treatment that she needed. And I'd rather you went out, worked a bit, maybe you could do some litter picking on a beach, maybe you could do something that was practical and helpful, but I don't think being obtrusive and obstructive and lecturing ordinary people when you have no idea what

it's like to try and work and make ends meet in the UK. You talk about millions of people, you talk about people who are in poverty, you have no idea what that's like because you live in the rarefied atmosphere of a university at some woke or rarity place and you think what you're doing is changing the planet. you think what you're doing is changing the planet. I think what you're doing is pissing people off and I think you could allocate to your energies more effectively by going out and picking up picking up litter on a beach. Thank you. Can I just write a little thing? I just want to empathize with you Katie but it truly does bring my heart to hear about your

friend. It really does but I really want you to understand that my self and baby are acting out of fear. You know, we are terrified that you shouldn't be my darling. You shouldn't be. You've been fed a load of nonsense. You're going to live way past 25. And I hope you live to a hundred and have a brilliant, brilliant life. Young people should not be in a place where you're being intimidated by fear.

You should be living the best life you can. Jump, jump, jump, and your wings will unfurl on the way down. You're limited in your whole world. We should be living a life. Not standing, throwing soup in a gallery. Because it has to be done with fighting for a lifestyle. The only way we can make the change happen is if we make systematic change. I completely understand what you do.

I want you to understand that this disruption that we are causing will stop immediately as soon as the government releases a meaningful statement that they will stop producing more fossil fuels. It's as easy as that. I understand your anger. I really do. I really understand your frustration. And I'm angry and frustrated. I really, really am. And but all this can stop the minute the government is not true because we need more fuel. We need more fuel supply. One of the things about supply and demand, as you'll know, is if supplies restricted demand remains the same prices go up.

It's basic economics. We don't have enough fuel supply. Stopping oil is not going to help with pricing. You talk about renewables. They're not there ready to take over from oil. Well, we currently have eight years worth of oil in reserve. So if we stop new oil licenses now, we would still have eight years to make a just and fair transition to become a completely renewable society. a just unfair transition to becoming a completely renewable society. The biggest solar farm in the UK was built in six weeks. You know, we're in Ireland right now. We could be harnessing the title power. It's currently accounts for 10% of our UK's energy pollution. I hear your stats. I hear your stats. But do you see that you're going to need to bring the general population with you and people's opinion with you, and I don't believe you're going to bring any people's opinion with you when you're stood throwing soup at artwork. Well, you know, this isn't a popularity contest. The suffragettes were famously hated. Martin

Luther King was voted the most hated man in America and he was alive. And the thing is that right now we know that these tactics of nonviolent civil resistance do work. I'm sat here today as a queer person and the reason I'm able to vote, the reason I'm able to go to university, the reason I'm able to hopefully, someday will marry the person I love, is because of people who have taken part in these acts of non-violent civil resistance before me. Well, I'm not to cut you guys up. I'm actually a food waste activist and the fact that you guys do soup on the painting really bothered because I'm pretty sure there was hungry people outside that would have loved to have eaten it. So because of that, I'm going to go fill up my gas tank. I have

I have to. I'm just ladies. I gotta tell you one. Did you want to say? I just want one quick question for you. I applaud what you guys are doing. I've been facing this beyond two chances. Kudos to you guys for at least being very passionate about something. 20 years old, if you're about 20, I was not half as passionate about anything as you guys are. So respect on that, but there is a famous quote out there that says, when you're young, and if you're not liberal, you have no heart. But if you're as you get older, if you're not a conservative, you have no brain.

So you guys are going to figure that out along the way we all are. So respect you. Here are my two questions. Legitimately, what pronouns do you identify with? That's number one. Number two, if there's a hundred of your friends in a room and you talk about your top issues that you care about, what's number one, two, and three, meaning climate, LGBT rights, the economy, healthcare, so pronouns and your issues, if you would.

So I use the shihih pronouns, whatever you're in the mood for. And for me, I think the climate crisis and also the cost of living crisis are uniquely unifying because this will affect everyone. And your friend? I also go by Bay Ben for announced. I also don't see how that comes into this argument because this is what we're facing with climate crisis goes beyond anything to do with gender sexuality. But I completely agree with you, the main concern my friends and I talk about is the climate crisis and the cost of living crisis. My university had to open a food bank for its students this week. That's how diet things are. Students who

are already getting alone by the government to pay for things like this can't even afford to buy food using that loan. It's all the energy bills because of the climate crisis. Our biggest plan is against meat and just feeding myself. Phoebe, if you had an outcome that you wanted to get what you did, you got it. You guys were able to get the attentions of others to present your argument. And I I applaud you for your emotional control because you were pushed. And folks came at you here and you were able to give your argument. Now, what did the audience agrees or not? It is what it is, whether anybody sustained agrees with you or not.

It is what it is. I applaud you guys to be respectful and return, and I value that. So thank you so much for coming on and sharing your views. We appreciate you guys. Have a wonderful day, guys. The future looks very bright, by the way, just so you know, I believe the future looks very bright. Take care, guys.

Bye-bye, bye-bye. Take care. Thank you, Phoebe. Thank you, Anna. Take care. By the way, honestly, respect. You know, say what you want, man. I don't know if I'm 18 years old. I'm 20 take care. By the way, honestly respect, you know, you say what you want man I don't know if I'm 18 years old. I'm 20 years old. I'm not responding though

Not to be like that. There was a whole thing. I know the top. So so Never want to know what it is. This is the one thing I thought about the whole time I'm listening to this is what I thought about I have a 10-year-old, a nine-year-old, a six-year-old, and then 17-month-old the power of universities What they do to people to get you to be afraid, thinking you're about to die the next five years, the influence professors have today, the influence teachers have today. What you just saw is two people back to back that we had on like three people. The second one is the byproduct of the first one. The second one is the byproduct of the

first one. The influence, the first one has over the second one and then people come out with degrees. We're sitting there supposed to think, you know, and I'm like, you don't understand what's going on. You don't understand what's going on with this and we have to take it. Wow. You have to sit down and listen to it. So anyways, fascinating. I thought, I thought it was great.

I thought I just think, you know, so one hand, I guess to your point slightly, they, they, I, you know, I'm not going to make it to 25 at this rate. Like my aim is 25. And she, I'm not mocking. She believes that. Yeah. But my pronouns are they, so wait a minute. You had time to work.

What? I didn't understand. They're pronouns is what? They, what is, what is they? They haven't him. I would have said, but that's oral. Nobody gets it. That's the whole point. I don't know. They're not Yeah, so they want to be so Phoebe can only be identified as they if you speak of the Phoebe you say they are coming over

They came on the show they her by herself. They has a sense She's also when I said ladies that's that's not And then you said you're a big for coming on guys, you're a you messed up three times And that's why I asked that question. That's why I asked that question, Pat. Because in you guys, I'm gonna go throw paint on the Mona Lisa. I'm gonna go to the spray house. Hey, speech.

I don't say lul. What's that? I just thought you called them five years old, which I really loved. Girls, are you, are you like ten years old? So you said high school. I told you. That was my favorite thing. You like that?

I was like, they're going super on, shit. Dude, from a... They said high school All I'm thinking from a business standpoint you know from a business standpoint They could have gotten a hundred dollars if a hundred thousand dollars if they would have called Campbell soup saying we want Sponsorship and this is Campbell soup on the painting and And this is this is Campbell suit on the painting in a boom and then five seconds You just got to go like this and then the clues This protest is brought to you by countless so almost glue and look I can't take my hand off the guy then Yes, I was gonna say Katie. I know we're about to wrap up. I don't want to be too presumptuous But I'm extending another invite for you to come back anytime you'd like. That's so sweet. I love her

Sweetheart. I love her. I'm gonna be in a fiddle with this. I'm gonna have a waiter You know, I made it good. Maybe it was the US British thing that we had and it caused fireworks and I when I see British people I think Let me give you let me give you one perspective Why why you should love her? You know why let me tell you if she thinks if she thinks $60 billion or three trillion dollars. She could think a lot of numbers are big Yeah, my Million

Respectful man. I'm a man I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna come back with the numbers on Ukraine Just so you know the future looks bright some crazy shit is going on It's gonna be wild. You don't know what's gonna happen in Russia Ukraine But we feel bad for the folks that are going through the families that had nothing to do with the ones in Iran, the ones in Tyrant, all these families, they just want peace, but they're in the middle of a government going out of it with other people.

I'm convinced the future looks bright as messy as it is. Everything's gonna come down to leaders rising up and making things happen. So, appreciate you guys for being with us. Katie, thanks for coming out. This was fantastic. As usual, have a great weekend. Are we on back? We're back Tuesday with the one and only chat.

How much is a sun next week? Oh, thank you. And I'm doing a show at 1 o'clock today with preach from Auburn, preach right here in the city. Oh, cool. So we got to flip this around. We got to go. We got to.

Have a great weekend. Take care. Bye-bye. you