PBD Podcast - Kobe Bryant's Rookie Card | PBD Podcast | EP 44

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

In this episode, Patrick was joined by Adam Sosnick and Tom Zenner to discuss John Macafee indicted, Carona Virus rules regulations are being rolled back, and a Kobe Bryant rookie card sold for 1.75 million and much more.  Here's the link to watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/zw3z9DMiwWo Check out Tom’s New book: https://amzn.to/2PJd0O1 --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/pbdpodcast/support

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I just feel like we're in a non-political world lately, which is kind of nice. Tom, maybe you are, but after the nonsense that just happened. Give it give it 18 months. Don't worry. I thought it doubt right. Yeah.

Give it 18 months when the terms come. Crazy stuff is going to happen. Gang, we are glad to be back. One thing I want to tell everybody that's watching is those of you that come early with us. We are testing 9 a.m. Thursday. I sent an Instagram a what do you call it a poll. Full.

And I asked 8 a.m. or 9 a.m. 70% said 9 a.m. So we're going to try 9 a.m. this Thursday instead of 8 a.m. Eastern time Eastern standard. I'm gonna let's get some feedback. We've all it again. It's Eastern standard time that we're doing. We're gonna test that test out the 9 a.m. thing. So anyways, let's get right into it. A lot of crazy stuff's happened. The the Megan Merkel.

Marco interview that's created a frenzy drama. No one stop Pierce Morgan walking off the set craziness. I didn't hear about that yet. Yes, I did to hear it. 4.4 million views on Twitter and a couple hours because Pierce Morgan just couldn't handle it. He says, I don't want to hear it to somewhere. He just got walked off the set.

Now, he has, you know, he has done stuff like that before, something like his first time. So we got a lot of things to cover. We got business things to cover. Reddit has named its former snap, a former snap, like Snapchat executive, as its first CFO. This entire time Reddit hasn't had a CFO,

but they just announced they're getting the new CFO. Scoras joining forces with Jay Z Music, Streamon Wall Street isn't impressed. John McAfee, back at it again, has been invited on federal charges related to the fraudulent promotion of crypto currencies. Tesla is going to make a giant to plug into the Texas power grid and it could store enough energy for 20,000 homes.

That's a big deal. JP Morgan post 34 block chain jobs as it beefs up as JP Morgan coin Elon Musk lost $ billion dollars last week, but who's counting? The biggest private island for sale in the Bahamas is about to hit the auction block, and there's no minimum bit. It's interesting. There is no, so meaning you could buy it for five bucks. Obviously, I can end up at five bucks, but it'll be interesting what happens. The young people are looking to spend almost half their stimulus checks on stocks. And then we got Roku, Kwebi, rising interest rates,

Senate narrowly passes the COVID relief bill, McConnell planning on an escape hatch, in case he leaves Senate before his term expires. California theme parks allow to reopen as of April 1st, good for California, Vegas benefits as Nevada eases some coronavirus rules. And then, you know, doom and gloom from Zoom's Stanford researcher spent a year finding out if Zoom

Fadeek is real and just how awful it is on our brains and bodies. And then a Kobe Bryant card sells for $1.7, $95 million. I say we start off with the Kobe story. Okay. I say we start off with the Kobe story. Okay, I say we start off with the Kobe story. This is dear, dear, dear heart. This is very ways.

This is a little too near and dear, my heart. And so we have to talk about this. Is there a way you can bring up that picture of the Kobe Brian card while we're doing this? So a rare Kobe Brian card sells for $1.795 million. It's flawless. One of the rarest of its existence to top trading card. Just one of two in the world at its level of perfection.

Golden Auction set. It is the rarest, is the most expensive Kobe Bryant ever. So the Cards condition report to have perfect tens. They call it a black label, which means tens on the surface, tens on corners, tens on edges and tens on centering. Within weeks after his death, brined cards were everywhere online, increasing in value by 600%. See that card right there? Go back to it.

That card right there, that's sold for $1.795 million. Tommy, want to know a fun fact about that? Yeah. That's my card. Except I sold it for 17 grand. Did you really that one? That's the card right there. That's exactly the card. I sold that card 17 grand. That's really that one. That's exactly the card. I sold that card 10 and a half years ago for $17,000

to an investor fast forward 10 and a half years later to card sales for $1.8 million. How crazy is that? It's crazy. Let me take it one step further. Did you hear what happened yesterday? Anthony Davis of the Lakers, right? The most injured, never, never there.

I mean, it had a great season last year, but this guy gets hurt more than anybody. His rookie card just went for a million. One million. His rookie card sold for a million. Yes. Anthony Davis is rookie card one for a million. Yes, yes. One million.

So, here's, I want to get this on tape on file right now. Pat, why don't you take, you know, a photo, a crypto photo of your Gretzky card, of a picture of you holding this and your other Gretzky card and your most valuable and make the NTF of it, right? And then who knows what that could go for. I mean, seriously, you got to be thinking about jumping into that, too. It's unbelievable. I mean, it's just a strange time. When cards are selling for the prices that they're selling, the main question right now

with cards is the fact that is it going to keep going up or is there a crash coming up with cards? Historically, what happens with cards is they go on a run and it's a very aggressive run. People just all of a sudden are like, oh my gosh, I'm so interested. It goes up and then there's quite for five, six, seven years. And then there's another run. This is historical, what happens with cards. So if this trend continues,

when the market takes a bit of a dip and a market's not making people, you know, millions of dollars left and right, there's gonna be a bit of a dip in the sporting cards. How long that's gonna be? No one knows. If it follows the trends in the past, that's what's gonna happen.

But what are your thoughts when you got it? I'm in the middle of this run right now, is this what I'm saying? We're in the middle of it right now. Let me tell you, if somebody said to you, like he said Anthony Davis's car, it's so $4 million. What was your reaction?

Your reaction was like, oh ridiculous. But it's like happening every day. Brady just broke a record for the most expensive car diverse sold. Wayne Gretzky broke a record for the most expensive car diverse sold for hockey. Brady's was NFL. NBA is Luca Doncic, $4.6 million on his birthday.

MLB is the Mickey Mantle PSA 10, PSA 9, they just sold for $5.2 million. I get a call on Sunday from a guy. He sends me, he facetimes me, I'm having lunch, I'm like, oh, facetimes, let me finish up lunch, I got food in my mouth. I said, I call him back. I call him back, I said, what's going on? He's like, I gotta talk to you. I gotta talk to you, I'm like, oh, face time. Let me finish up lunch, I got food in my mouth. I said, I call him back. I call him back, I said, what's going on?

He's like, I gotta talk to you. I gotta talk to you, so what's going on? No, no, listen, this is very important. He says, my son's dad gave him a gift with all the cards and I gotta show you what I got here and he opens it up. He says, how much of these cards work? What do I do with this? And it's like all these Kobe Bryant rookie cards, right?

All this stuff that he has. Oh, legit cards. No, legit cards. Wow. And then he shows a Mickey card. Do you know if there's a lot of fake Mickey cards? Is this a fake one? Is this a real one?

That's a whatever you do, don't sell it for it to anybody, even if they pay $10,000, $20,000. Just find that if it's a real one. Go through PSN and see what's going on. People are calling their grandmothers, their mothers, their grandfathers. Where did you put all those cards I had, Ma? Where are they?

Do we still have it in the basement because it may be worth millions of dollars today? I would hear stories because my dad grew up in Detroit and I mean, not that that's specifically relevant, but you would always hear like in the 60s or whatever, everyone was collecting baseball cards. This is when I first started here, I was a kid in the 80s and whatever, everyone was collecting baseball cards. This is when I first started, here, you know, I was a kid in the 80s.

And you would always hear like, oh, I had all my cards in the basement and grandma threw them out. You would hear stories like, I mean, are you familiar with stories like this? Absolutely. You would hear them and hear them and hear them. The same thing you said, I can't find mine.

So I found a bunch of my cards that I had that I probably gave to my parents to put in boxes when I went to college. And what you didn't realize at the time is, make sure that there are the PSA 10 and the corners and the crees, because you could have an amazing card, and if it's not in perfect mint condition,

it might be worthless versus a million dollar card. You know, let me know when there's a market for beer cans, because growing up where I did, I didn't have anything to do but play sports and pick up empty beer cans in the ditch. Were you drinking them or were you doing it? I was a kid. You would not believe the beer can collection I have

and I'm not joking. So if it ever gets to that, man, I'm gonna buy that island in the Bahamas. Let me say this about the cards. It's gonna keep going. I mean, this is gonna be an abnormal ramp up. It's gonna go higher and higher and higher. And then what I think is going to happen

is you're going to get too many mediocre Anthony Davis type cards that are overvalued. So then I think it's going to come down but those premier cards and the Luca Donkick and whoever it is, you know, the Steph Curry rookie card, any old classic LeBron card or thing like that. For those guys, it's always going to be there. Also, is there going gonna be some sort of market

for average people to do this through like a mutual fund for trading cards? That's how I'm doing. That's starting too. So I think you're gonna have a lot more people that are gonna want it, especially because people are looking this as quick, easy money. And it really isn't, but it's unbelievable to think

that we're spending this much time talking about trading cards that you got with a pack of gum back in the day for a buck. You know what, now like my son is at that age, da, she's 12 where he collects cards, always has. And by the way, he found a Luca docket that's worth over 200 bucks, you know, good for him.

But that we had, but you can't buy cards now. You go to Target, they're gone. You go to Walmart, you cannot find them on the shelves. People know when they're stocking them and they're gone that day. So there is an unbelievable interest in it right now. Yeah, I don't think it's going away. I don't think it's going away because, you know when they're stocking them and they're gone that day. So there is an unbelievable interest in it right now. Yeah, I don't think it's going away. I don't think it's going away because, you know,

social media, again, you said something very, very important. Here's what you said. Anything that's a one of one, anything that's of a limited amount of production is gonna keep its value. Anything. So the Luca was a logo man, one of one.

There's only one of it in the world, that's gonna sell. The black label, anything you find that's black label that's a decent, yes it, I got a black label, one Soto, rookie card. One Soto, he's got a big upside. Could he do good? Could he not do good? I don't know, but it's a black label, 10 of 10.

I got a black label a couple weeks back of Janus, a black label Janus, that's gonna do well. So the pops have to be low. If the pops are high, it's not gonna have that kind of an explosion with a card. And then you just need to know they're not reprinting them. It's not like they're gonna wake up and, you know, someone's gonna come from the feds and say,

we have decided to print 200,000 cards of the 1986 Flair Michael Jordan. So we're going to print an quantitative easing to increase, they're not going to do something like that. Was that your Jerome Powell and the interpretation? That was a green space. That was the algorithm. That was the green space.

All the printing presses are just printing money for stimulus. So there's no more actual way to print it. Let me just weigh in, because I agree with Tom. There's something the fractionalized shares, it's available's available in stocks really something called stockpile and stocks But in rat is that the name of the company rally is one of them. Yes, I spoke to the founder You might not be able to afford a million dollar Anthony Davis card. Yeah, I was absurd to me or a Zion or a honest or a Luca or whatever it is

But could you put 10 grand in and just roll the dice like a like a big if it's a one of one Yeah, you're probably not going to lose if it's a one of that Huh, and and you need to know like here's how this works if they're concurrently playing The upside is faster like for example Lucas Cardsell for 4.6 million Michael Jordan's card so for 7.83 7.38 But Lucas card. There's only one of in the world Michael's card There's 320 in the world, PSA 10. So you have to know.

What do you mean concurrently playing? Like, so, if they're currently playing, it's a bigger upside or, or for example, if you own a, if you own a Mickey PSA 8, 9, 10, you own a Babe Ruth 1933, Gaudi, if you own a maze, if you own a old Magic Johnson bird rookie card because the documentary if you own some of that stuff that stuff's gonna be fine But like I bought a Zion yeah for a few hundred thousand dollars, okay, that's what that's going for

Yeah, I don't know what I I paid I paid three fifty four I paid three hundred fifty thousand dollars for it There's only it's a it's a legit card. It's a nice, if I keep it for a year, two years, if Zion becomes who he could potentially become, that could be a $23 million card. But if Zion gets injured, that's a $50,000 card. $100,000. And you lose your investment. And you lose your investment, but I know that's the difference between investing your money

in small cap, mid cap, large cap. You put money in Amazon right now. What's going to happen with Amazon? Amazon's a $2 trillion company. Amazon becomes a $4 trillion company. What's your stock word? It just doesn't. But what's the chances of Amazon going from a $2 trillion company to a $20 trillion company in next two years? You're trying to 10x this money, 100x so you need to put it like, I'm very much on value stocks and cards. Like stuff that I like a wheelchair Berlin rookie card, you know, high graded PSAA, will it's going to be willed? It is what it is.

You know, you got a roof, a Ted Williams, a tie cop, a harness Wagner, those types of stuff are going to keep their value. But if you want some risk, is this small cap cards today? You know, two quick points. I think the interesting thing to watch with this too, is because this is feeding on itself. There's so much meat to coverage every day. There's tons of stories every single day on this people want to be in.

They want to know more. So here's the next evolution of it. I think corruption. You're going to have counterfeit. You're going to have theft, and you're going to have murder. I really think with these valuable of cards out there, who'd watch for the corruption? That's been happening.

That's all three have been happening. Okay. All three. Maybe even at a higher level now. By the way, by the way, FYI, like you know for me, why I am very careful buying artwork, I have a thing about buying artwork.

Okay, I watch this documentary about two years ago on our way to Croatia, I don't know, on our way to Monaco, and I'm watching this documentary about this con artist who sold fake paintings. I don't know if I've talked about this before. Is this the Picasso? Have I told you this thing that it takes a minute?

I never, never. Okay, so the guy goes, Picasso's about to die. He's on his deathbed. This guy who's a con artist, goes to a local guy who admires Picasso, says, I want you to paint something with Picasso's painting style. He gives a guy 500 bucks. He goes tores Picasso says, I want you to paint something with Picasso's painting style. He gives a guy 500 bucks.

He goes to Picasso, says, a local painter who admires you, did a painting. I just want to get your advice on it, how you like it. He wants to really get your opinion. He says, I'll meet with you. He meets with Picasso.

Picasso looks at it, and says, it's okay. So as you modify, take a picture with them to tell them that you like this picture. He says, yes, he takes a picture with Picasso. Picasso dies a year later. He comes out and says, here's Picasso's last painting painting and he sells it for millions of dollars, right?

So when it comes down to painting how can you verify the validity of a painting? I love that guy. You cannot verify the creative right? That story. So you cannot verify the validity of it. But when it comes down to cards there is a grading service that what made this game legitimate is PSA and Beckett. They made it legit because when you buy a card, can you have Sam? Can you have Sam? Can you go grab me the rookie card, grab Yannis or grab me some of the King Griffies? Grab me all the Griffies, yeah. Grab me Griffies and Yannis. So when you get a card and you see the grading on it,

that's what you say, okay, I trust it. So trust is what brought it back. In the early 90s, if you bought a Michael Jordan, like when you bought the Hunters' Wagner card, it was cut. So there was a lot of fraudulent activities, a lot of fake cards, so people like, I'm not even messing with cards. So you just spent $100,000 on buying a card,

you realize a month later it's fake. So you step away from the game. The guy I bought the card from, the Wayne Gretzky card from, great guy. You know what happened to him? Bad experience, got burned. This is I wanna have nothing to do with cards. Steped away, he got a half a million dollar check.

I turned around to two million because he was burned out. So it does attract people like this. And when you get in, get in, prepare that you may experience some bad things. Yeah, but you have such a advantage So when you get in, get in, prepare that you may experience some bad things. Yeah, but you have such an advantage because you've been in this game for a long time. If you think there's going to be an easy buck, you can't just come in there with the level of knowledge. I mean, you'll just get crushed. Yeah.

Let me ask you this, you know, the one of one card, is that a random thing where someone opened a pack and there it was. It's like a winning lottery ticket. It's not a pack of cards. It is unbelievable. Yeah. So you can's not a pack of cards. It is. Unbelievable. Yeah, so you can, you can, you can, unreal. So, so you can, like, uh, uh, can't go them from golden auctions. This last weekend, he had a record-breaking weekend.

He was all over squarck. He was all over the news. Everywhere he's doing interviews, right? They sold nearly 40 million dollars of cards in one weekend. $40 million in one weekend is what they did. The revenues last year was a hundred million dollars. They just raised 40 million bucks. Kevin Durand was part of it.

All these other guys here and I were texting back and forth. He is helping the market because he is bringing attention to the market. Rally is bringing attention to the market. The players are bringing attention to the market. LeBron James' card sold for 1.8 million. You know who commented in a comment section? He says, guess who has two of these cards? You're truly LeBron, the card that sold for $1.8 million. LeBron said, I got two of his own cards.

He says, I got two of them myself. So it's like, to eat the red heirs are buying their own cards. Yeah, like, for example, okay, so Griffey, let's talk about this. This is probably a $5,000 card. Okay, you can get this probably $4,500 to $5,000 card. You want to know what's the problem with this card? It's been printed two million times.

There are two million of this out there. And I think 3,000 have been graded at a PSA 10. If this was only 300 graded at PSA 10, this would not be a $5,000 card. This would be a $200,000 We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money.

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We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. We have a lot of money. like, you know, bonds and I, you know, bow jacks and their stories behind him. He didn't grab you on his because you honestly, it's Janice. So you can even look at what the hell is Janice? I don't see a single guy thing. You would like to know why it's all good. So there is business to it. If you're listening to it, just like stocks, just like Bitcoin, just like don't go jump in. I did a video about cards a month and a half ago It's a good educational one before you go in if you do go in go in with a group of people that know what they're doing Like I had even you said the other they pat out going 10 grand with you 20 grand with you and you bide with somebody that knows what they're doing Don't go in all by yourself because if it doesn't work out for you're gonna come back and say oh this didn't work out for And two quick points before we move on

You brought up fractionalized shares. Single stocks, like single car, you know how I say it. What a rally RD, this is a shout out. So like, I don't buy single stocks. I buy index funds or I'll buy mutual funds or, you know, I can't project the next big stock. And just it's very hard to do. And this is it.

Like you can buy a share of the Hunnest Wagner car. Okay. Okay. You can buy a fractional share, like the Wayne Gritsky card that I sold, they bought one of them for 720. And they put it there for $800,000, you can buy shares at a hundred bucks. It's like owning the Green Bay Packers.

That's a can have a share of the Packers. I have a share of the Packers. That's interesting. You say that. So you can buy a share of the card. It's a great system. For individual investors, do you, like what's your advice to people

out there? Me obviously learn, get familiar with what's going on. First of all, would you buy one card or would you buy shares of multiple cards like a mutual fund or just like go all in on a side? No, no, no way. I would say go all in on one player, right? If you do because it's emotional and you're part of the city and he's in your city, I get it. Like let's just say your, you know, Kobe comes into the Lakers, he gets traded for Vlad A. Divak, and you're like, oh, I feel like he's gonna do something you buy stuff because he's emotionally tied to you. I get it, but if you're trying to do it

from the business standpoint, just look, small cap, mid cap, large cap, what does small cap mean? Biggest upside, injury prone. Mid cap, somebody who's playing, it's in the middle of their career, but they could win a couple championships and they can go up for example Yannis is all if Yannis got her tomorrow his his career still been a solid career

He's won a couple of me. He said, but if Yannis goes and all of a sudden he teams up with a Luca They get on the same same team or he goes out and gets a robin and They went back to back to back championship. Yannis is something else. So, and then there's large cap. What's a large cap? You buy a card that you know it's going to be going on. The Lebron is absolutely a large cap. A Kobe is a large cap.

And MJ is a large cap. A Ruth is a large cap. That's our large cap cards. That you know they've already been validated. They've already won multiple championships. They've already got a great career. People already know who they are. That's a large cap. You're not going to lose a lot of money.

This may not explode. This higher and this could explode, but it's got a bigger risk. I think it's important for you just to kind of come full circle here. Tell your experience with the Kobe Bryant, because you kind of left some details out, meaning you bought the Kobe Bryant for like 10 grand. I sold it for 17 grand. Sold it for 17 grand. So you're thinking, oh the Kobe Bryant for like 10 grand. Whatever it was. Solder for seven, so you're thinking, oh my god, I made seven.

Quick turn of the phone. I sold it for 17 grand at a time. Yes. When I sold that card, what people don't know, like when I sold that card, I was running the insurance company. This is the story where they hear it. Yeah, I was running and I was gonna do video

and then with Kai on back, tell you what we'll do here and we'll put on short cups. I was running my insurance company, PHP. Yeah. Is I come home, Jan has her situation with the baby. We lost the baby and then we have my half a million dollars of savings that I put into it. That half a million goes down to $13,000.

Wow. Okay, this is a miscarriage. This is 2010, 2011. 10, 11 years ago. It's just a bad place. I'm trying to figure out how money come up with money. So we're living in an apartment to save money at the time, 2010. I sold everything I had, anything and everything to invest it into the company.

So we did the math the other day and I did it in front of you. That's $17,000 I put into the company made me $14 million. So the point is I may have lost on a $18 million dollar deal, but I put it in my business. It saved the company. It helped us getting to where we're at and obviously right now it's a complete. It's a six story for those about there that feel bad for patting. But I tell you one thing, I understand for the person that sold it, I understand they almost didn't want to sell it. And I understand for the person that bought it, they're so happy to hold the card. There is, there's a, the person that won the card

can't wait to hold it. You don't even know if you're a card guy to hold a card of a Kobe like that BGS 10 black label. I can't even describe it, especially if you're a collector. Right. If you're not a collector, you know how to say, tell somebody, yeah, I went to the Super Bowl, man, and I tell you this Harrison guy took the fumble away

before half time and ran it back on Kurt Warner, and then at the end Kurt Warner makes a comeback, but the stealer still ended up winning, and it was crazy because Kurt threw for 400 touchdowns, you should have been at this place. Oh, so who won? Yeah, but you don't understand this was sick. And he was like, dude, I don't follow football. Yeah

Why would you tell me that? I want to told you the experiment So if I if you tell us like somebody watches this right now with cards. I like to Who cares about cards if it's emotional the guy who buys the Kobe he hangs on to it He's gonna say mom look hey, that look hey guys come over He's gonna have a party sharing the cards with people, showing it to them. It's a pretty cool experience. And you've been on both sides of the equation, meaning you've won on some deals and you've lost on some sort of...

That's how life works, you're not gonna win them all. You're gonna have some and the realities, I'm gonna tell you a crazy thing. I've never lost on cards. How weird is that? Wow. How weird is that? Like even that Kobe situation, you still...

I never lose on cards, Because I sit on them. If you sit on cards, the only way you do is if the guy does something that's like a guy comes out with steroids scandal and then his car, no one wants to buy the car. Like you didn't wake up this morning saying, I want to go buy an OJ Simpson rookie card, you know what I mean? So, so there's an element of that. Well, sure. You probably keep a motion out of it, which, you know, you know, you know what you're dealing with,

which plays. See, I have a philosophy. I only invest in ball players, like Lamar's kids, you know, Lonzo and Lamello. That's it. I think they're going to the top. Lamello. Lamello.

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Lamello. Lamello. Lamello. Lamello. Lamello. these are special kids. Okay, so there you go. First story, we got cards. Second story, do we want to go into the Megan Markle story and see what happened there? Why don't we know you do? No, I mean, I listen, it's what everybody's talking about. It's what everybody, have you guys had a chance to watch some of the highlights on? I've seen some of the clips, so you tell us yourself.

Oh, give us the rundown and what about that? I want to hear from you. What do you think about the whole thing when you watch it? What is your, what do you think? Because there's two, three different sides of the story. Where are you at and who do you believe? She goes on Oprah. Yeah. And she does a sit down interview. Now was the interview just with her and then Harry popped in at the end or yeah. Harry popped on later on. So, you know, uh, uh, uh, I mean, more than super bowl. So there was more people watching the interview

than a super bowl. 96.4 million viewers watched the, however, according to some analysts or experiments, I'm going to answer them. The reason I know ratings drew higher numbers than the Super Bowl. If you watch it, you couldn't,

there was 50 commercials every two minutes. Every time you watch in the interview, it's commercial, commercial, commercial, and apparently they didn't take any money. That was transparent right up front, Oprah said, to make sure everybody knows,

have you gone paid for this? Zero. And do you know any of the questions I'm gonna be asking? She says, I know none of the questions you're gonna be asking. And do you believe that? Of course, why do they need to take money for the interview? They're making so much everywhere else.

I believe Oprah's a goat. So, Oprah's not somebody that would say something like that. It's Oprah. You're sitting with Oprah who has got a horrible productions of billionaire, you know, you got to give her a prop So you're sitting with somebody that dude. I'm not giving you any money for this because I'm gonna give you the eyeballs if you come with me, right? So that's the numbers. That's what happens So here my here my three biggest takeaways from this because I'm a I think she's beautiful. I absolutely think she is gorgeous. Out of everything, that's what you call it.

Number one, sing a guy. So you didn't see the interview just like, oh my gosh, she's so beautiful. I don't care, I believe you. I'm just putting that out there. I believe everything you're saying. Into the atmosphere, if you wanna know like just my thoughts on this princess,

I think she's beautiful. Now here's the three, my three biggest takeaways. Number one, during the hoopla, the drama of her being in the family, the royal family of her, at what point she went, just like a business, she went to HR, like there's a human resources in the frickin' palace to sort of complain about this situation here.

I'm not sure how far that went, right? Number two, which is, you know, say what you want. She was legitimately having suicidal thoughts, which you're marrying a prince, you come into this royal lifestyle, and next thing you know, a few years down the road, you're having suicidal thoughts, you're dealing with poperalty,

you're dealing with the drama. Even Harry said, this is very reminiscent of what my mom was going through. Prince has died, who, in my opinion opinion is a goat, like an Oprah type. And then thirdly, which was sort of the biggest controversy, and they wouldn't name names, the family wanted to know how dark skin baby Archie would be when he was born. Because she's, I think, mixed half half. He's obviously a ginger.

I think they're thinking, please tell me this kid don't look like Blake Griffin. We hope not. So shout out Blake Griffin. But don't talk here. Yeah, I don't know. I saw it for it. Yeah, you saw that right there. Looking like a bag of Cheetos right there.

But that was pretty controversial for the family. And I'm not sure if it was Stephen Colbert. But you just went in a net spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blake Ray, the nets are gonna probably don't championship this year. But anyway, side note. And I'm not sure if it was Stephen Colbert. The guy just went in and it's one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And play great. The nets are gonna probably have to championship this year. But anyway, side note, shocker, the royal family

in the greatest imperialist country ever to exist might be a tad racist when they might be. So there was definitely some drama going on. Where you at, Tom? You know, and the racism card is what's being played a lot right now. The biggest loser in all this is Adam Silver in the NBA. They had their all-star game that night. Their big showcase, CBS destroyed it.

It absolutely destroyed it in the rating. So they go head to head and that's got to scare the NBA. One of the biggest winners, Gail King. She deserves a raise at CBS. Her best friend's Oprah. She gets the interview over there. They had to pay seven and nine million in licensing fees, but Gail King, Kudos to her. You know, this was a total recipe for disaster for the royal family when Megan Markle entered

the family because she was a celebrity. She's wired for ambition. She's an ambitious individual. She knew how to play this status that she was about to get. And she wasn't a huge celebrity, but she already had the hunger and the drive for working her way up in the show biz world and making it in Hollywood. You know, I don't blame her at all. I saw this coming. I didn't think this would work with Harry eventually. It's the worst case scenario for the royals because they're all about tradition and conforming and consistency and honoring that crown and keeping that whole thing going, right?

And she's about, um, I don't know any about this in my history. I'm thinking about myself and my family and clearly Harry is all in on board with her. I went in thinking that I was going to be anti-Meghan Markle on this thing that, uh, like she was being opportunistic to a negative degree where she was really taking advantage of this. But I bought some of her stories that she was talking about. And, you know, they got to Hollywood and they've already signed a nine figure deal with Netflix. They have a hundred million dollar deal with Netflix to produce documentaries and entertainment. They have a huge podcast contract, so they're making a ton of money. But this thing's gonna get crazy because this is the last thing that the royal family needs.

And this is the biggest story. And it's an American that's gonna do this dams to them ultimately. And then if you wanna talk about Pierce Morgan, which is a fascinating story, right? With him storming off the set of Good Morning Britain today, basically the version of Good Morning America. But do you know his backstory with Megan?

They met for 90 minutes, they sat down, they talked, they got, you know, they got along and it was something going on. Yeah, they got together. It was a relationship. This was back in 2015 and apparently they really hit it off. They were having a pint and maybe another cocktail or something. And according to Pierce, when he tells this story, they really hit it off.

He must have had something for her probably, right? He puts her in a cab after that. She goes to a party and that's the party she met Harriet. And he said that she never talked to him again. So there might be some really deep rooted personal feelings there with peers. And it all exploded this morning, which is only going to keep the story going because he walked off the set. He's strong off the set. Said he took off his mic.

Exit stage left. Exactly what Megan wants. Oh my God. So this is just plain. So explain that what the Pierce Morgan part of the story is that what happened this morning. He's defending the royals on. No, what happened this morning. What happened this morning is somebody came in on the show and called out peers. This guy doesn't like the weather guy does not like peers at all. Good morning Britain. Good

morning. Kind of called them on. He said, well, you don't understand how challenges this has been to have been making and Harry and all they've gone through of being part of this limelight and how the media has trashed them and the media has not been friendly to them outside of the wedding that's pretty much what he said and then Pierce like I'm not having this he just walked out yeah and he's a he's a king of publicity stunts that was a brilliant move by the years Pierce is a is a genius I mean you have to realize he's genius oh there's no question about it he he under sent marketing let me say that. I wouldn't say he knows Pythagorean theorem,

but I would say he is a very good market or he knows how to put a story out there. So he can't say no to it. You don't find him annoying at all. Oh, 100%. Okay, guys. I never, but I just want to get your thoughts on that. You ever met an annoying genius?

Like it's like, Yeah, it's over there. There's a thing over there. There are, A friend guy. Genius comes in many different colors. It can be jerks, they can be annoying, they can be attractive, they can be ugly,

they can be a lot of things. So let's go back to the story. Yeah, do you have sympathy for her? I do not. Do not. I'd love to hear your back. Let me explain where I may and where I don't. Okay, so here's where I'm at with the interview.

So I watch the interview and I'm going through, I'm like, okay, sounds good, opens up, hey, we're not paying 40, you're not doing this, it's open to any questions, great. She starts going into the story while you know, what happened with this and then Oprah showed some stuff, you know, Katie had the bump and they're like,

oh, wow, look how she's appreciating the bump, but when Megan will put it, how she can't get her hands off her bump. I mean, that's just true. You can't do something like that. Or then, hey, here's Katie eating guacamole avocado, and look how responsible she's being with her health. And then the same story with Megan eating avocado,

look what she's doing, destroying water and all this. And you should see these articles. It's pretty bad when you compare to... You're saying the Megan was getting the raw end of the deal? Megan in UK was treated like Trump was treated in US to kind of give you an idea about how that was treated. The treatment was she couldn't do anything right. I fully agree with that.

And Kate Middleton was getting all the love and the great princesses. Kate Middleton was getting all the love because Kate Middleton was like, I understand the traditions, et cetera, et cetera. Well, she's British. Kate is more, so it's not about, so Grace Kelly. If you tell a story about Grace Kelly,

do you remember Grace Kelly? Who was Grace Kelly? Yes, the famous actress, the famous actress. Who was much bigger than Megan. Megan wasn't at the level of Grace Kelly. Grace Kelly, I never heard of Megan Markle before. Yeah, yeah, it was so much a good show. Yeah, but not, I don't know if she was on that.

Guys, guys, there's Grace Kelly and then there's a man. She's not Angelina Jolie. She's not Scarlett Johansson. She's not comparing to Angelina Jolie. The only one person you compare to, when you're selling a house or you're buying a house or you're buying a card, what do you look for? Comp's, the only fair comp is who?

Grace Kelly, it's not Princess Diana, it's Grace Kelly, okay? So if you compare to Grace Kelly, Grace Kelly was graceful. Grace Kelly came into the Monaco family, it's like, hey, here's had her own identity. She still wanted to do her own things. What she didn't like later on, if you go to the museum and kind of learn about her,

she still wanted to do acting, you know, wanted the bigger directors at the time, who was the bigger director that did the... Hitchcock? I don't know if it was Hitchcock. One of them reached out to her. It was a guy that she had already done movies with before. Says, I wanna do another movie with you,

and she says, I can't because of Royal Family. She says, I wanna do it. So he convinced her, she went up to them, they're like, you can't do it because now you're part of it. So she's like, finally, she says, okay, I won't do the movie. Which makes sense. You're now part of the royal family. You kind of know what you got into.

May you know on the other hand, you know, she's been married before a lot of issues with her husband, ex-husband when she was with him. And, you know, and again, this is what you read about, right? I'm not somebody that knows, I have an interview to everybody to know about everyone's stories. Her and her dad didn't speak for a couple years. Her dad got a letter from Megan that she was thinking. He was thinking about going public with it every 30 days. He said,

I'm going to bring it out, bring it out until she contacts me. So apparently there was something going on with the dad. And a lot of people in Hollywood, you know, maybe didn't really get along with her for her, you know, pompous attitude a little bit. It which what people have said about her. Now, let's go to the interview, back to the interview. Oprah's doing the interview and they're going through a couple different things came up. One was the baby, one was the bump.

The other one was how when Archie, when she was pregnant, they said, we're not gonna provide security for your baby. Or a title or anything. Or a title for the baby, which by the way, do you believe, and every time Oprah asked, who said that? Who said that?

No, she wouldn't say that. She would say, it's what I heard. It's what Harry and others told me. So, it's nothing ever that was direct. She would deflect and say, it's what Harry told me. It's what Harry told me. It's like, when you don't want to go buy a house, and I'm talking to the husband,

it's like, oh, I love this house. It's great, but your wife isn't here. And I say, so do we want to make an offer? And you say, what? Let me go talk to my wife. Let me go talk to my wife. Let's call her right now. Now, when she needs to see the house first, right?

So she would deflect. It's a great skill set of a client to do that. It's, let me talk to my wife. Let me talk to my wife. Let me talk to my wife. It's great. I've been through it long enough to know that this is a normal process when you're selling. So she kind of deflected on Harry.

Hey, let me talk to Harry. Hey, let me talk to Harry. Hey, it's what Harry said. Also, you didn't hear this? No, but Harry told me and someone told Harry. So there wasn't credibility about whether the kid was going to get security or not, protection or not. Now here's a thing, amongst us, do you actually believe they're not going to give the baby

security? I don't believe that. Because if you don't give the baby security, who are you making look like an idiot yourself? Imagine the publicity stunt if you didn't provide security for the baby idiot yourself. Imagine the publicity stunt if you didn't provide security for the baby. Okay, imagine that. Now, do I see something like that taking place and saying, hey, you know, let me take what happened.

We're not gonna, you know, what, what if we don't give him security? Oh, you know what, your baby doesn't even, so imagine like some kind of a challenge and argument took place. And then she says, they threaten to not give security. Yeah, but that's kind of like saying, hey, you know what, I'm gonna do to you,

I'm gonna kick your ass, did I'm not gonna kick your ass, it's just something that happened. So we don't know where that went, right? We don't know that part of it. Again, we just have to believe what she's saying in this interview. Then there was a part where, you know,

conversation about Megan's baby is of color, you know, like you brought it up a little bit at the beginning, and, you know, a conversation about Megan's baby is of color, you know, like you brought it up a little bit at the beginning, and, you know, there's this awkward part of the interview where Oprah Winfrey says, wait, what? Who said this, and Megan's like, it's like a five second pause in the interview. Wait, you mean to tell me somebody said that, do you think there was a part of this because of race?

She's not answering Then opera says if it's this I mean if it's the first baby that could be of a different color coming in Maybe that makes them feel uncomfortable and she says well comfortable and she says, well, her words, if that's the assumption you're making, it's a safe assumption to be making. You understand what I'm saying? So it's kind of like, she answered it without answering. No, she says it that, hey, Oprah, if that's the assumption you're making, that's a pretty good assumption to be making.

So look, you know, when you're around folks long enough and you sit down with people, you kind of know how to, you how to sell and market on all that. And then later on, hey, she asked for help. That part I actually believe and the reason I believe that part is because in business and life, whatever you want, when sometimes you get it, not everybody can handle it. The limelight is not for everybody because what comes with the limelight? What comes with the limelight? Pressure, expectations, focus, drama. Okay, pressure of what though?

Expectation of what? So actually think about expectation. What are the most annoying pressure and expectation that comes out if you become famous and you're in the limelight? I'm talking like highest level like her soul. Like being exposed, things like that. Such as what? So I actually process it. One is looks, look at her, she's getting older.

Look at the skin, look at this. So the judgment is hardcore on what? What you look like, right? What else is it? Mistakes and it's amazing. Mistakes, judgment on your past, past marriage. What you do, what you do, everything is in gold.

You're in a glass box, like you're being looked at, judged, reviewed. So if you go from this kind of, Grace Kelly had it. And she was the same. Literally everything is in Google. You're in a glass box, like you're being looked at judged review. So if you go from this kind of grace Kelly had it. And she was the same. So it's not like the day she got married to Monaco and she became more famous. No, she was famous the day before she got married. She was famous the day after she got married.

Megan was here, she went bam, right? The world nano. So I can see that happening. You need to talk to somebody. I can actually see that part I can play a little counterpoint to you Yeah, it's funny how you can watch the same interview and maybe get a little different take number one when she said I'm gonna refer to Harry

Maybe I looked at it like she was protecting that person that said it She didn't want to expose her him at that time. She already said that I would have never said Harry because you're also You're also putting the responsibility on Harry. You're dividing Harry with the family. That's the one person you don't, you did that when he moved to the US. No, that's not the point. No, no, no, no, no, you have to know if I'm, if I'm putting it on you, I'm, I'm, I'm

almost making the division between you and your family wider and wider, which it just shows. Maybe you are who people say you are. Maybe you are. So everything the blame was on Harry. She didn't take any the responsibility. She says, it's what I heard through Harry. It's what I heard through Harry.

She said that three times. She knows I'm a guy that's a diffuse, unified glue. She was dividing him and the family hardcore. Yeah. That's how I read it. And then the security aspect too, I think part of that was security for life. And she was worried that maybe when the child got older, or she got older, he wouldn't have

that security down the road, probably protecting him as a baby. I have three quick points. Number one, in 2011, when William and Kate Middleton got married, we did a book on that. We partnered with Access Hollywood. I wrote this book on the Royal Wedding. It was the biggest thing. The book was very successful. It sold three years ago. In 2018, we were going to do a book on the Royal Wedding, it was the biggest thing. The book was very successful, it sold. Three years ago, in 2018, we were gonna do a book

on this one, right? The new Royal Wedding, and we had to pull the plug on it, the day of the wedding, there was just no interest. It would have been a complete disaster. And we had a good media partner with it too, a very, very big celebrity gossip site. But I was stunned at the lack of interest in that thing, so we completely had to pull the plug,

or we got crushed. I'm going to make a quick prediction here. This is going to rattle Prince Charles like nothing else because I think in his mind, he had this succession formula in place. I think he figured he'd be king a lot sooner than now. Right. Who knows if his mom's ever going to pass on if he's ever going to be king. I think and here's my prediction,

he's gonna do what NFL stars do when they go to another team, right? Like, and Emmett Smith goes in place with the Arizona Cardinals. What does he do? He comes back to the Cowboys, signs a one day contract, so he can retire as a cowboy.

I think when Prince Charles, when the queen actually dies, and Prince Charles becomes king, I think he's gonna do it for a month ceremonially, and then he's gonna turn it over. I think he's going to do it for a month ceremonially and then he's going to turn it over. I think they need younger monarchy there. I think he's going to put William on the crown. I'm going to he's going to make him king.

And the other thing is this really hurts Harry's brand, doesn't it? I mean, he used to be this fun loving macho cool dude. And now he's just taking orders from everyone. Megan, Oprah, the queen, his brother, he just seems weak in this whole thing. I agree. And he's he's come to orders from everyone. Megan, Oprah, the queen, his brother, he just seems weak in this whole thing. And he's come to the United States, but you know what, I bet they have a really good life. They live in Beverly Hills.

They have a huge deal for Netflix. She's gonna have that creative outlet for her satisfied. They can have more kids, and they're gonna be relevant. They're gonna stay in the public eye as long as they want to. Oh, the playbook for what they're following is a great playbook. Don't get me wrong, it's a phenomenal playbook

they're playing, but it's also because you're part of the right family. You wouldn't have access to that playbook if you weren't part of that family. You wouldn't have bought an $11 million house if you weren't part of that family. It's not like he was a lawyer when it started a law from sold it for $200 million, took his exit

and then he went about a house. And you know and the money comes because of your last name and your lineage. There's got to be a little bit of respect being given to the family that gave you that success. There has to be some, as competitive as some people maybe with their like Bill Clinton, okay. Whoever Bill Clinton maybe, his mother had issues, a lot of issues, a lot of issues.

If you study Bill Clinton's mother. When they asked him about his mother, he's like, well, listen, you know, you have to know it's my mother and I love her. And you know, it's been, yeah, we all have issues, but it's my mother. And you know, she raised me and I'm so thankful for that. He never answered the question. He just kind of went and gave that respect to. I, there is a challenge, like there is not like

we're talking about anything catastrophic here that happened that they hit or, you know, anything that's manipulative that took place, right? You gotta pay some respect to that family. To me, Megan is not even the issue to me. I don't have any problem with Megan. Megan's like, look, hey, Harry, I don't want your life, bro. Let's just simplify this.

I don't want your life. I want to be me. I've been me my entire life. If I don't like it, I don't like it. Megan could divorce him six years from now. She can move on to a complete different life. That could easily happen. The part that's a little bit disappointing to see

is when I see a son of the family allowing this to happen where the public humiliation is the family. The public humiliation is from the family. That's the only part that I see. I, you know, it's the only challenge I have with that part. Yeah, he had a choice to choose the family and the history and the crown or his wife. He went with his wife. But wait a minute, that's not what I'm with that body. Yeah, he had a choice to choose the family, and the history, and the crown, or his wife,

he went with his wife. But wait a minute, that's not what I'm saying. No, no, no, I'm not saying don't choose your wife. I'm not saying don't choose your wife. Have a little bit more. No, I'm not saying don't choose your wife. I don't say don't choose your wife. I'm saying choose your wife.

But when you're choosing your wife, you have to say, I hope you realize this is who I am. And I have to respect the family. I'm respecting yours. You gotta respect my family, I'm respect than yours. You gotta respect my family. Guys, we can't hear you Sam. Turn off your mic.

Okay. I respect your family, respect mine. We can still hear you. So we have to respect the family. That's all I'm saying. If I marry Jen, hey, my family has issues. Look, I understand. I love you.

I wanna marry you. I wanna have kids with you. Like when my wife and I were getting married, the night before I got married, I had a meeting with my mom. And I sat with my mom and I told her, for 30 years, you've been my number one. Tomorrow, you're my number two. She's my number one. Wasn't easy, but I have to tell her. It's my marriage. But I have respect. Here's what's going on here. I think that part was a little bit that... Yeah, but it's such an extreme when it's monarchy

and it's that tradition. I mean, Harry literally had to make that choice because he moved all the way halfway across the country. Yeah, but make the choice, but say we don't need to publicize and throw my entire family under the bus. The whole show is about throwing the family under the bus. If you choose to get married,

I fully get a move wherever you want to go. I want to leave the family. But don't do an Oprah Winfrey show with $100 million, Trashing the reason why you're living next to Oprah Winfrey. If you weren't in that family, you don't live next to Oprah Winfrey because there's got to be a little bit of good. It's the same exact thing when Americans who are raised and born in America, who go Trashing America on how terrible of a country America is,

rather than paying some respect and saying, hey man, I was lucky to have been born in America. Some of us weren't born into this incredible country. Some of us fought like crazy. So there's other people on the other side saying, I was part of that family, at least show a little bit of gratitude. That's the only challenge that I see.

Here's Morgan is gonna do a pay-per-view. He's gonna do a counterpoint interview in England, it'll get huge ratings, record numbers. Someone has to take, get their side out of this. Yeah, I don't know. Pierce Morgan annoys the hell out of me. But back to Harry, because I think you guys are missing one point with Harry. I actually think that the guy has a spine and he has a backbone and he's doing what he

thinks is right. And I don't think he's disrespecting his family. Like a Meghan Markle just did this interview solo status and she did it by herself. And Harry wasn't there. That to me is like, I wasn't there for the part when he threw him under the bus.

Harry wasn't there. But then he came in and said, all right, I'm here now. What's up? But did you watch the interview? It was a solo interview with her. Did you watch when he came in? Like he said, what's up? Did you see it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello, Charlie. I mean. What's up? But did you watch the interview? It was a solo interview with her. Did you watch when he came in? Like he said, what's up?

Did you see it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, what's up? Yeah, what's up? Yeah, of course, of course. But he came in and validated, meaning they were lock-in-step. Like, it wasn't like, she, listen.

He's running the show, in my opinion. I don't think she's the boss. What gives you the idea he's running the show? I look, listen, when she showed up, she wasn't like, all right, you got a new sheriff in town, Harry take a backseat, I'm running the show, I got the family, I think he's running the show.

Yes, I think very much so. You are the only person in the world who thinks this. Okay, so he's running the show. Listen, I have contacts in the monarchy over there, I know, so, but give me proof, makes you think I just think I just think look When she shows up. Yeah, you don't think that he's like look. This is my world. No, no, what no It's not how do you not think that conversation him trash her family? Have I ever seen I don't think that's irrelevant to me. It's more like, that's what she's doing to him.

He is very well aware of what she's doing. Where did he get his wealth from? Where did he get his wealth from? Listen, you can do both. You can have respect for your family, but at the same time, call out the bullshit. Obviously, his family, obviously, it's very important. Where did you get your wealth from?

Solo, my advice. Solo, you did it. Okay, so you're self-made. Yes. Now, imagine if you start off with 50 million bucks from your family. Okay, but that's, regardless of family, he's also commenting on culture, tabloids.

Listen, you gotta remember, he lost his mother to some of the craziest stuff. I'm okay with that. Okay. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm a guy. I'm a fan of that, dude. What I'm saying is the guy has. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm a person that's the antiguy. I'm a fan of that, dude.

What I'm saying is the guy has a spine, meaning he has a, like you might not agree with how he's handling it, or the, you know, how he's choosing to throw his family under the bus, so be it. But he's like, look, I have a one life. I'm seeing things that I don't necessarily agree with with whether that's in the monarchy,

in my family, in British culture, in the tabloids. And I have a man, I have a wife, I have a family, I'm gonna put my fist down. This is what I believe. And if... That's okay, nobody has a problem with that, but pay respect to the family. I think you can do both.

But he did not. He allowed his wife to do his show with a hundred million people trashing his family. Well, maybe he called everybody. He tried to call his family and they wanted to take his calls. Every everybody that happens in families. Have you ever had somebody in talk to for a while? Do you go and do show for 100 million people? Yeah, if family's got to pay, I haven't spoken my mom and a few weeks. You might do a show. You're going to go do a show, say,

mom, how can we don't call me? Look, I don't, I don't, I don't care about, you know, whether or not, whether or not he stays or he leaves. That's not my position here. Do what you got to do, you're grown mad. But if you're doing it, say, hey, here's where I'm doing, I'm leaving, we have to respect my family because without the family, we don't, let me ask you this.

I think he's saying that though. No, no, he's not saying it. If they don't have the royal family, you think Netflix signs a hundred million dollar contract you tom of course not okay let's see out of them because i'm curious well obviously it's a whole freaking premise here is that he's part of the royal family but do you think if they're not part of the royal family to get a hundred million dollar contract what what they are part of the royal but you're not

answering the question what do you mean yes or no i'm not understanding the question he didn't come from that linear if you didn't come with a limit we'd be on the next story right now. We'd be freaking out relevant. But if he's not, would Netflix give him a hundred million bucks? Obviously not. Okay, so the point is, give some respect to that. But he is.

But he's not. I think he is. I think he's a responsible. Give me a point though. Give me a point. His wife trashed his family publicly. His wife called his family racist, not caring about suicidal. His family, she called his family and breaking news. Maybe they are. If maybe they freaking are. And this is him saying,

let me look, we can't get to you like this. Let me ask you question. Disrespected my entire existence. Does your dad have certain issues? He did. Yeah. Does your mom have certain issues? Of course. You marry a wife. No. She goes and shares your dirty laundry of your parents. You're okay with that Depends what the like it depends on what giving what depends meaning There's limits to what you're willing to take listen you guys are being super disrespectful Yeah, like if your mom was disrespecting Jen To the point where it's like she hasn't be borrowed as family Tiko he's that it, no title.

No problem. No nothing. At what point do you have a conversation and say, look, okay. Well then this is what we do. Like, what's wrong with this? What's wrong with you? This is what we differ in values and principles. This is what we differ in values and principles.

Let me tell you, I don't know a single family that doesn't fight, doesn't argue, doesn't have issues, doesn't have big screen, doesn't have any chant. There is not a family, doesn't, doesn't have that. Not one family that doesn't have that. Zero. Every family, if you sit there and talk to them, everybody thinks their family's like, oh my gosh, if people really know what my family was like, we all have a ridiculous family. None of us have a family that walks on water, okay? And we all have dirty issues that if people find that like, that's your mom, that's your dad, that's your family,

yes, that's my family, but it's my family. We work here, there's walls here, we have issues, we have differences, we have prams that happens here. It's our business. We talk about it, we hash it out, we move on. It's gonna happen many times. You don't go to the public and say, let me tell you what happened yesterday when Patrick,

tata tata tata, let me, we're dealing with it here is what we got. You keep it in the family. I have no problem with you leaving. Zero, do it, no problem. Believe in the messages. I'm grateful for the family. We have made a decision to not discuss any of our affairs

with our family, like Michael Jordan would say Michael, tell me about your personal life. Hey, you got questions about my kids You got got questions about my personal life. I don't answer those you got questions about my game You got questions about my business matters. I'll answer those He made it very clear with the media today people salute Mike This is not a good look to say let's become famous by trashing our lineage that gave us all this money. It's very unattractive to me.

That's all it is. And it's on Harry because she's, she is. Not on her. She is. I can't wait to see what kind of content they produce to see if they've got the chops. I mean, because Netflix doesn't just hand that money out. They're not a charity. So they, they are, the pressure is on them for really to crank out some desirable content.

We'll see if they can. Okay. If you're watching this, if you're, you just saw us going back and forth. Adams got his own positions. I got my positions. Times got his positions. We're all somewhat different. Okay. Do you, do you think, Megan sharing her stories, she was a major, you know, they were in the right move to come out and do what they did. If yes, comment below, I'm curious. Do you think, no, I totally disagree. They should have just kept it and the family moved on. I also want to hear your thoughts.

Comment below to see what you're saying about this. Dialogue that we had the last 30 minutes about Megan and Harry. I hope you're going to be okay, by the way. I hope. I'm a little emotional, right? I know you're a little emotional, but it's going to be all right. You're going to be fine just so you know. By the way, if anyone has any ties to Megan Merkel's sister, anything, no, I see you with Pippa. Pippa Middleton,

that's why I see you with. Yeah, I think Adam is, Adam is sitting there saying, let me get this, if I marry a maid, if I get into the family, get a hundred million on Netflix. Oh, that's exactly my play. Well, I lost out on my top pick. That's a good point. That's right. I had it. We were talking and, you know, she wanted different branches.

So let's talk about that. So, we can see Bezos ends up fairly quickly, by the way, leaving when they got the divorce. She ends up marrying a school teacher, one of her kids school teachers, right? That's kind of what happened. A science teacher. So what do you think about that?

Since she has strong opinions here, why don't we give this one to you? I mean, Mackenzie Bezos, she was married to Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world, for what? 20 something years. Yep. They get a divorce maybe five years ago.

Jeff Bezos started dating Tom's good friend. What's her name? Lauren Sanchez. Lauren Sanchez. Lauren Sanchez. And Megan, who, I'm sorry, Mackenzie, 50 years old, ends up divorcee and only worth about, you know, $50 billion, something ridiculous. One of the wealthiest women in the world, she owns, what, 5% of Amazon, whatever the number is.

And she's 50, she's not young, but she's not old. And she made headlines over the pandemic for doing what? Just completely giving billions and billions of dollars away to philanthropic charities and just being a decent person. That's my biggest takeaway from her is that she has just been... She could have been a, you know, typical Boko Diborsay and just, you know, shopped every day. Leave the folks in Boko alone.

Just, you know, that was offensive, right? I did offend some people, but she had an opportunity to be just a, to contribute nothing to society and be rich and, you know, live on a yacht, but she said, no, I actually want to make a difference, I actually want to have a normal life and give back to society. And that's clearly what she's done. She's given away billions. What do you think about her marriage school teacher?

I think kudos to this frickin science teacher that puts some sort of chemistry, concoction together and said, all right, I'm gonna woo this uber wealthy bezos, brod. And she fell for it and good for him. This guy's name is Dan Jewett and Dan Jewett is doing it and doing it big time. I'm going to have a disclaimer here and say, I don't know him. I don't know him so, but you know what?

I don't need to know. I'm having a opinion, right? I don't, and this is a farce. This is not going to work. This has no chance to work. Zero. And I'll tell you why, because they're just completely miscast. And it might be all great now.

I'm very the science teacher. I met him at school pick up and the whole thing, but this is not going to work because they are two different. They come from two different worlds. It never works. Look at Elizabeth Taylor when she tried to marry a commoner. It didn't work. It never does.

And I have a friend. I have a very good friend who was married to a very successful man, a lot of family wealth. She grew up in a higher society, was used to that type of life. When she got divorced, she had a relationship with a guy who really didn't have a job that really kind of floppered around, like to do, just like to have a good time She got tired of always having to pay. She got tired of having to carry him and I think any guy would be a little insecure in this situation

Unless this guy is the strongest man on the planet. I mean this thing will will start praying away Jeff Bezos. I mean don't you think Jeff Bezos richest man in the world Jeff Bezos just landed on the. Jeff Bezos. Don't you think? Jeff Bezos, richest man in the world. Jeff Bezos just landed on the moon. Jeff Bezos, he's like, I'm just trying to land on my wife tonight. Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos. His whole existence is to help her give away the wealth. And I just think it's weird. I think it's weird she got married this quick number one. I think it's odd that, you know, his whole, everything he's saying is too perfect for me. Now, I could be wrong and they could be perfect for each other and just save the world, but it's a little weird to me. Now I could be wrong and they could be perfect for each other and just save the world, but it's a little weird to me. I think just to counter, uh, counter argument what you said. Clearly she know what she was signing up for and he knew what she was signing.

Like they knew just like the Harry and Meghan thing, you know what you're getting yourself into. And even she said she changed her Amazon author page, ironically, her Amazon author page, ironically, Barton. She lives in Seattle with her four children and her husband Dan. That's her bio. She's guilty of being... That's her bio. She's feeling guilty for having this much wealth. I think.

She would feel guilty if she wasn't giving it away. Well, that's part of the reason why she is giving it away. I just think she wants a normal life, raise her kids, lives in Seattle. She knows what she's getting herself into with this science teacher. I think the biggest question is, how long is home he gonna actually teach science class?

Like, when one kid steps out of line, he's just like, I can't do this crap anymore. I'm out, let's just go on vacation. Once the fun, I know where that's all. I think that's the biggest thing is, how long is he going to be a science teacher for? You were a substitute teacher. I was a substitute teacher, yeah, for a year.

You were going, where were the billionaires for me back then? Exactly. There was no McKenzie Bezos popping into science class. I think a guy once the honey wear is off is just going to feel insecure and thinking I didn't really have anything to do with this. It's all her and then and then little things start happening. Maybe you're a little short tempered. Maybe you're a little condescending. Maybe you're a little snappy in this and that that just builds and builds and builds. So I don't know, I wish them all the best, but it just seems like a way. I wish them all the best, but they'll be divorced in six months, but that's just my opinion,

and I'm sticking to it. Well, I mean, you just have to realize when you go through a very extreme relationship, extreme meaning abusive, extremely lovable, extremely prick, extremely competitive, extremely attractive, extremely whatever the, extremely prick, extremely competitive, extremely attractive, extremely, whatever the extreme you go, you go on day, you typically are like, dude, I'm so, I want to go complete opposite side. So then you typically go like, we went extremely politically one side, then we go extremely politically one guy that tweets 50 times a day, one guy that doesn't even want to do press conference, we are so extreme as human beings, right? So do you want more extreme or you want more normal scenes?

I didn't say it. This is not me. This is what McKenzie is saying. No, I'm saying the regular guy here. But am I, are you saying that you go from one stream to another or go from one extreme to just, I want some normal scenes? No, no, typically with an extreme.

You at one point valued that. So if you valued, oh my gosh, Jeff is so driven. Freaking, this is so attractive. You know, and he like, dude, this guy wants to go take out Barnes and Noble, and then you're like, dude, that's attractive. And he's like, I wanna go live on Mars. Babe, that's enough.

I'm like, I'm limited. I'm like, we taking our bookstores, but I don't care to go to Mars, that's enough. Let me just go marry a scientist that wants to figure out chemistry, right? Let's go figure out some of this benzene stuff. So now she goes and marries a guy like that. You date a very, very attractive girl

who wanted you to get her gifts every day and I demand a dozen roses every single week. Oh, no problem, you're so beautiful. And then all of a sudden you're like, bro, I just want to like miss one week of flowers with you and not be judge for it, right? Then you go meet a girl that's just like, oh, if you get me flowers once here,

I'm so grateful for, like, why don't you, so there's an element that going on. You went from the richest man in the world to a teacher, okay, to a teacher. Now, you know, could work. It could work where you're just kind of like going away and just kind of kicking back and relaxing, but Tom's got to go point.

It's gonna be very, there is a reason why JLo is dating A-Rot. Okay. There's a reason why JZ's dating Beyonce. JZ is Beyonce. Beyonce is JZ. If that makes any sense, A-Rot is J-Lo. J-Lo is A-Rot.

Kanye is Kim. Kim is Kanye. There is that understanding of what it is with the limelight. You know, you've been trained on how to do this. This science teacher has not had limelight, except for 20 kids that are screaming as names throwing paper to, you know. To counter-argument that, you always hear people in Hollywood like I do not want to marry another actress.

I do not want to marry someone in the limelight. They say that. I want to just someone who's low-key be the mother of my children. But remember what you said, you said something. You said, you know, every since I've been around your company what I'm starting to realize, the power of couples.

That's correct. Okay, that's the couple power. Yes. So McKenzie is, that's a different kind of a, you know, you have to know, like McKinsey, who do you think McKinsey's met on her lifetime at a dinner? Everybody. Everybody, you kidding me?

Who has a shaman? She's a shaman. I'm trying to tell you, she's met every who's who, so who do you think impresses her? Nobody. Can you imagine you're like, oh, McKinsey tonight, I'm gonna take you out to dinner. I'm gonna take you out to dinner double

Day and I'm gonna introduce you to the number one realtor in all of such and such county It's like bro. I own the company what he's talking about he works for me Yeah, so there's it's not gonna be hard to you know you take a girl out the first time to Europe She's like oh my gosh Tom. This is such a beautiful place. You take a girl that's been to Europe 50 million time Right, okay. Let me take you to the restaurant you follow me guy to Europe, she's like, oh my gosh, Tom, this is such a beautiful place. You take it all. That's been to Europe 50 million. Right. Okay, let me take you to the restaurant. You follow me, guy. So there isn't that I want to get that.

Yeah. Right. I think I think they're doing it for the right reasons. Okay, I'll give them that. Okay, you know, but, but, you know, it's already come out that he had played a big role in her divvying up that four bill that she gave away at the end of last year. And I'm just thinking, how are you this qualified to be telling her what to do with the money? Jeff might be thinking as well,

I'm the one that kind of built this company and earned this money now. They're going to pull him up. Damn, I just think. Watch him have like a ridiculous six pack and runs 10 miles a day, Ben just four plays. Yeah, let's get a little

say something about Ben. There's something called human nature. And a guy doesn't want to be taken care of. All the time. Is that him on the left? be taken. He doesn't want to be taken care of all the time. Is that him on the left? Oh boy. He's just a dude. He's a dude. Wow. She looks happy. We must be related. That's a very similar nose. I recognize that. He's the Armenian science teacher that good for us. Well, I mean, look, she looks very, very happy. Yeah. Holden that you know obviously they're uh...

hanging out somewhere there but uh... pat you you brought up something so i'll just circle back to that like when you know when you do with four years of extreme uh... he still upset with making just so you guys know go ahead clearly just rock um... but you know the whole thing with with biden you know not to get too political here was, we had such an extreme personality,

such a showman, such a marketer, such a, look at me, look at me, it's all about me, news cycle. Kind of like Megan, yeah, so go ahead. I don't know about that, but I think there's a lot of people craving in this country like bro, just shut your mouth, get off Twitter, just, Oh, interesting.

I don't want any of that drama. You gotta stay aligned with your points, you know? My points are intact, interesting. I don't want any of that drama. You get to stay aligned with your points, you know. I have my points are in tatsur. You are not. You are not. You are very. Our attack, here's my point, is that this country, a lot of us, a lot of people, 80 plus million, were like dude, just enough of the drama. I just want something a little more chill.

Again, not too political. Back to McKenzie, I think she was like look, I dealt with the guy who'd want to be the troll. Is this a different atom 15 minutes ago and then changes with McKenzie? I think she was like, look, I dealt with a guy who'd want to be a troll. Is it different? Adam 15 minutes ago and then changes with McKenzie. I think she, what is the matter with you? This is, at my point, is completely concise. I think she just wanted a normal chill life. She married the science teacher.

Oh my, she's running. She's going to be a life. She's running carpool pickup. She definitely has a type of bald guys. You figure she'd go with a guy with a full head of hair if she wanted the exact. At least she's consistent. Yeah.

We respect that. Ericka Lera, I should have selected it. It's a full head of hair. She wanted the extra. At least she's consistent. We respect that. Eric Golar, I should have let it in. Eric had a shot. Editor. So let me give a shout out to a couple people. Nicole Creeno gave $5 and said, Megan just guaranteed the crown has a fifth season. Harry is a soy boy.

Millennial man don't understand honor nor heritage. Okay. Yimi Marino, have y you all seen Harry in Afghanistan? Have you seen Harry in Afghanistan or no? Well, back in the day, when he used to go, yeah. Okay, and then we got the COVID-12, X-12, I still can't believe, topic of the day's royal family

and not how people are being brutalized in China. Okay, very interesting. There's a shout out to us talking about China. Ratschal owned the royals and the media, you're being duped into focusing on this fact, actual problems. And in Caffecito break, we should protect our family and work out our own problems, privately,

bringing out family drama tracks. Chaos, does this help build up relationships? You know what, good for you, Caffecito break, but okay, so next, what do you wanna talk about next? What do you wanna talk about next? You pick it, Adam, how about you pick the topic? I think we got to talk about your boy, John McAfee. You want to talk about John McAfee.

I think you have a personal experience with this guy. He's all over the news, crypto Bitcoin blowing up. He's an interesting guy and he might be facing life in prison. So John McAfee. Let's hear this story. I know you have. Can you pull up the interview with him and i were yes

pulled up the gun i think it's like forty three minutes i don't know the exact that's what i want to be i want that story so anti-virus magnet john mac a fias been indicted on federal charges related to fraudulent promotional cryptocurrencies cyber security mogul uh... informer presidential candidate is uh... variety of charges brought up by US Department of Defense. His executive advisor ranked,

and him and his executive advisor, ranked in more than $13 million from investors through a variety of means related to cryptocurrencies. The first scheme was scalping, also known as pump and dump, when McAfee's cryptocurrency term allegedly purchased large amounts of digital coins at low prices, knowing that McAfee would then endorse them

on Twitter, this is exactly what my concern is with Musk, by the McAfee would then endorse them on Twitter. This is exactly what my concern is with Musk, by the way, what I talked about the other day. This is my concern with Musk that he's playing with fire. He irritates the wrong person. They could do something to the guy. They could do what they did to Trump to him. The first scheme was scalping and it dumped, okay, McAfee then allegedly recommended such

coins without disclosing he owned them. Finally, the cryptocurrency team allegedly sold the cryptocurrencies, following temporary price spikes that were generated by McAfee's tweets, a second alleged scheme in which McAfee and his team members use McAfee's Twitter account to promote initial coin offerings

without disclosing they were being paid to do so. It found guilty, McAfee 75, faces a potential maximum prison sentence that would amount to a life sentence. Thoughts. Let me get your guys guess on number one, how old do you think he is?

Well, I think he's 75, I think I really am. 75, correct. Yeah, yeah. Okay. At his peak, what was his net worth? And what do you think his net worth is now? Peak was 100 million. Okay. Yeah. What is it now? Peak was a hundred million. Okay. Yeah.

What is it now? Less than five million bucks. You're absolutely right. Yeah. He was worth a hundred million dollars at one point. I think he sold his company to Intel. Mac of security, if you ever go on your computer and you're anti-virus.

He never is worth today, right? Something insane, right? 20 plus. Yeah, 20 billion, right? Ridiculous. It's owned by Intel. He sold it, cashed 20 plus. Yeah, 20 billion, right? Ridiculous. It's owned by Intel. He sold it, cashed out, you know, 20 plus years ago, was living his life.

Now he's worth, quote unquote, four million dollars. Try. So anyone who was worth a hundred million dollars at one point built this ridiculous company, was doing whatever the hell you wanted to do. And now you're worth basically four million bucks. What kind of desperate measures are you willing to do? What kind of pump and dump schemes

are you willing to go along with? Well, I mean, you have to really, he spent his money party in hardcore. The guy partied like a, he was Dan Balsarian before there was Dan Balsarian. He was the original playboy. If there was social media, when Macafe was doing, what Macafe was doing, Macafe would probably have

a hundred million followers today. His life, what he was doing, was ridiculous. In the 90s, 2000s, one wasn't. You ever seen his documentary? I've never seen his documentary. I don't recommend seeing his documentary. If you don't like to see weird, kinky, sexual, desirable things. That's not my style, kinky, sexual, desirable things.

That's not my style. If you were very conservative, then you may want to actually, if you actually like what he does in his documentary, that would say a lot about you. Well, I think, you know, my first impression is exactly what you say with your experience with him, with the documentary and everything. He's all weirdo. I mean, he's, you know, he's, he's got this genius thing going for him in a positive and negative way.

But, you know, let's get to this case, you know, is he guilty or innocent? It seems like even Marsha Clark could win this trial. I mean, this one seems really, really obvious. It centers around this cryptocurrency called Cedar, right, where he said he told the feds that he had no involvement in it whatsoever. But the same day, he privately wrote to the Cedar's founder, quote, for the next few weeks, take my name off your site. I want to be able to leverage my Twitter with people assuming I have no relationship

with you. So there seems to be a smoking gun in a real trail here. So he's already in custody, I think, isn't he? I think he's in custody. He's been in hiding in Belize and then he went to Guatemala. So I would imagine, you know, his goose is cooked. He's done. They're probably going to get him and it's over.

I would imagine this is the final chapter for him. That would be my prediction. Well, he's already been all up in the news headlines for tax evasion. That was prior to this. Yeah, but do you know why he got arrested on the island? He was living in, you know the whole story. Let's hear it.

No, tell the story. I do not, I want to give this story. You know the story? No. Okay, this is a cool thing. Cause he isn't custody, isn't he? Oh yeah, so he goes and gets this house. Beautiful home.

In where, believe me. And I think it's believes. And his neighbor is a guy that got the house right next to him because he wanted to retire. He just wanted to have a peaceful life. So then he shows up. Macafe is your neighbor. He had a pitful in a backyard. This pitful would bark nonstop.

Macafe's dog would bark nonstop, nonstop, nonstop. And a neighbor says, you gotta do something about your dog. I'm trying to have a peaceful life here for retirement. Your dog's going crazy. So what does the neighbor do? The neighbor says, gives pit bull a poison steak. He poisons the steak, gives it to the dog. He murdered the dog.

McAfee comes to the back and sees his dog dead. He says, you gotta be kidding me. This is a story. He sees that. He hires somebody locally to go take the guy out. He takes the guy out. Wow. Allegedly.

And then he tries to run out the country and he got arrested, et cetera, et cetera. That's one of the stories. But, you know, the guy's guy. He's on edge. So we showed up to his house. If you want to pull up the video. So we showed up to his house.

I'm in the car. I'm having a car. Was we showed up to his house. If you wanna pull up the video, so we show up to his house, I'm in the car, I'm having a call, was it 43 minutes? 43 minutes. I'm in the car and I'm what he called it. Talking to Tom. And Mario says, hey Pat, you may wanna come and say, because these guys are freaking out of your park that's out on the phone and the car's still on.

Please turn it off. I'm like, how long ago was this interview about? I don't know, three years ago. Where were you? Where did you do it? Tennessee, out of town. Okay, in Tennessee. Yeah, so they go May 7th. Exactly, you know, three years ago. Where were you? Where did you do it? Tennessee, out of town. Yeah, so they go May 7th.

Exactly, you know, 34 months ago, right? So I'm in the car, he says, come inside. I said, what happened? He said, we just got frisked. And so our camera guy at the time, he was frightened. He's like, what the hell is going on? Luis, right? He is purely panicking, okay?

So I finally go inside and say, hey, what's up? Hey, how are you guys doing? They're good. So tell me about your story. What do you want to know about my story? I'm a vet. Oh really, what were you stationed at? Oh, you know, I was stationed.

I was in Navy SEAL and a Ranger. One's guys in Navy SEAL, one guy's in Ranger. I said, no way. I was at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. Really? What was your noise? I was at 63 Bravo. What unit were you at?

Three to six engineers. Okay, this motherfucker, those knows what he's talking about We won't kill you come on man. They bring out the whiskey so we go to bring it out He said listen, and we have five prostitutes upstairs. You want to go? I'm not even kidding with you So I'm like I appreciate it. It's okay Great check and I'm sitting I'm like, but like dude, you know, so we starting these guys were really cool guys There's 10 AK-47s on the table. Oh my I'm not even kidding with you 10 AK-47s are his security guards. Yeah, these are security guards. There is at least

10 German shepherds outside, okay, and then all you hear is this sound Don't do no no no no no Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it.

Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it side when you see the interview. McAfee fully loaded. Okay, he has whiskey He's smoking while he does the interview in the middle of the interview somebody knocks on the door One of the guys jumps up goes to the door with the gun seen who's at the door in the middle of the interview You just got to see this to believe it because this almost sounds fake, but you got to see what happens here Is he going through? See the guy Russia

Pat that's not even move. Look at the gun to the gun. Think I'm on the Tusha. Go back a little bit, go back a little bit to show it again with the don't knock, go back 10 more seconds. Russia, you've got 50 different options. So watch, watch. Are you even direct flights? First time I'm not. I'm on the board. Heck, is he going through? for some of the work that is he going through Russia Citigant to Mac if he's right Who was the guy that knocked on the door who knocked on the door I have no I took it for me to say is a good I don't have all the facts

You did not even flinch you know what am I gonna do? What did you think that that was all real or were they show time for you? Oh, no way. It was 100% real. They were paranoid at the highest level from the beginning to the very end. Because at that time, he was going through something as well where they were after.

And they didn't give us the address to his place till two hours before the interview. They didn't give us the address to his. Where was it? Like in the Tennessee Hills or what is outside Nashville? Two hours outside of Nashville. There's only no abilities out there. What do they worry about? The end was in Nashville. I heard the meeting with Arthur Waffer.

And then, you know, we're trying to see if we can get Maca-Fee. And they said, and then you go into the, it's literally in the boonies when you go to this place. Gotcha. And then we sat down, we spoke. And I have to tell you, it was actually a very good conversation. And the craziest thing at the time, Bitcoin was like $7,000. He made a prediction saying Bitcoin's gonna go to $48,000. It went to $48,000.

This year? Yes, so, two weeks later. He said it was gonna happen by the end of 2018, but it ended up going to $48,000. So, to his credit, it ended up going to $48, but it's a very, very interesting individual. What's your biggest takeaway from the interview and where it is currently in the media? Well, this is my concern with crypto.

So exactly what happened here, you have to know that exactly what's going on here is happening with cards. And when you're able to manipulate crypto, because so guy goes up. Okay, imagine Elon says, Bitcoin is the future. So, if you bought Bitcoin, let's just say Elon, and I'm not saying he did or he did not, but let's just say somebody connected to him, buys Bitcoin at 30,000.

Bitcoin's the future, goes to 50,000. He dumps. He says, I'm not that cool about Bitcoin now. Drops to 40,000. Oh, we're doing one and a half billion. So, Elon has to be, he's the genius genius. He's got a very high ranking of a genius obviously. But you have to be careful.

If you think you're untouchable, the way you become untouchable is you typically have upset a few people on your way to the top. If they decide to do something, you just have to be very, very careful where you're not too much. Look at Trump. You become a president by doing what?

Call on everybody out. Then you become a president at least do what? Call them down a little bit, right? And what does he do? He keeps it going. Double down. So what happens? COVID doesn't happen.

The guy gets reelected. So they shut it down. Yes, states take a hit. He doesn't get reelected. You could have taken a slightly. So that's the only thing that I'm concerned about Elon because Elon is one of those guys that he can bring so much innovation and progress in technology. In other ways, he's he is a very important figure. Now, I keep on mind, nobody's bigger than the league, of course. Yeah. But he's a guy that in our era, he can do a lot

of a positive, you know, he has, he has absolutely no margin for brevity or doing anything that might be lighthearted because every word he puts out there is taken to such an extreme. I mean, I can, you know, the SEC's watching him. He's already gotten their attention. What he's doing with Dogecoin and with everything else. But man, can you imagine waking up knowing I can't have one moment where I throw something out there harmlessly because it's gonna be taken

to an extreme and it will affect markets, it will affect lies, it will affect jobs. You know, he's so fascinating right now. You know, like we talk about trading cards. Wouldn't it be cool if you could invest stock into personalities like a musk, like a basil, like a buffet, who's going up, who's going down? That would, you know, or trading cards for these guys.

I think that would be really cool too, but you know, it's, every day, and the level of brilliance of Musk, just yesterday, we find out about this big solar or this big electrical thing he's doing in Texas. You know, then it's SpaceX, then it's doing 25 tunnels in Miami. It's just unbelievable.

And the other thing that about Musk, which I find interesting, is imagine how many smart people work for him. He hires the most brilliant of the brilliant for everyone of his companies, but they don't get any credit. How do you hire guys that are that brilliant, but have no ego? Everything goes to him. He gets all the credit all the time. I wonder if that affects anybody down the chain. Very interesting point, by the way. And he has to be the masterful king of recruiting. All right, just to get what he's getting to stay one step ahead of everybody in every

industry. And you know what, he probably, you know, they talk about Tesla losing its value. And I don't want to lump a whole bunch of categories into this. But if you think he really cares, Because he's got three other things, and his biggest play in the future is gonna be power anyway. It's gonna be battery, it's gonna be electricity, that kind of thing. So he's five steps ahead of everybody,

but the one thing that could take him down is one careless tweet, because that really could be a big problem for him. And who is SEC? That's my only concern. It's not even, my worry is, and so the good thing about Elon Musk is the fact that he can't ever run for office

unless if they change the laws, which is actually a good thing for him to believe it or not. Because he was born in South Africa yourself. Yeah, but the challenge for him, his enemies, his enemies not Jack Dorsey, his enemies gonna be SEC. That's who he has to keep an eye out, the regulators. Okay, the regulators have to keep an eye out. And for anybody else that's kind of watching, that's, you know, on the crypto side that you were thinking about the pump

and dump, you're going to see how quickly stories like this hurts crypto people. This doesn't help crypto people. So, I don't know if this makes sense or not. The folks who are in crypto don't want stories like this. You want legitimacy, you want normalcy. You don't want stories like this. So let's give the legitimacy story to the crypto people and let's go to JP Morgan that just posts a job posting that says they want 34 blockchain jobs at the beef up JP Morgan coin, right?

So US mega bank JP Morgan Chase has 34 open blockchains of job postings on its website. It's quite possibly record for any company in the crypto market. Many of the job related to Onyx Onyx, the division created last October to oversee JP Morgan coin. A search for blockchain or JP Morgan's career pages actually brings up 56 open positions

with 34 including the tech and the job title in contrast to this golden sacks which recently said it's starting a crypto trading desk has this has just two blockchain cryptocurrency job openings Morgan standing has also two by the way two to 34 that's 17 times more when you see this what do you think when you see this, what do you think when you see this? Adam, what do you think when you see this kind of stuff? Would JPMorgan hiring 34, golden to Morgan to? Yeah, I mean, it's, we just talked about legitimizing Bitcoin.

You don't wanna see a story like McAfee out there because years ago, not too long ago, when you thought of Bitcoin and crypto, it was all illegal, drug dealing, shady type stuff. And now it's gone mainstream, right? Like, it just recently hit a trillion dollar market cap. It's come down a little bit, but it's at $960 billion market cap. The whole thing here is legitimizing and making this cryptocurrency

mainstream and the cornerstone behind Bitcoin is this blockchain. So when you start to see Companies like Tesla and Square and Visa and PayPal and everyone kind of Accepting this and Tesla pumped in you know 5% of its cash reserves 1.5 billion dollars and then you start to see these You know big- banks, JP Morgan Chase look for opportunities to basically enter their states like they're building their JPM coin. It's ridiculous. And I don't read too much into the fact that Goldman Sachs only has two potential positions because you talk about it all the time that they only have 400 advisors across the country

whereas a marrow might have 5,000, right? So what's the numbers on that that you talk about that all the time? So it's just, this is mainstream, it's legitimizing everything that's going on and you're just sort of weeding out the bad apples like the Macapies of the World we're trying to get involved in pump and dump.

Yeah, I think this is a huge play for JP Morgan. I think if you're a client of them, you got to be really feeling good and knowing that you got some smart people leading that company. They say that they're not looking just a hire for 34 jobs. They're looking for experts. They're going to Singapore. They're going to India. They want the best of the best of the best.

You mentioned some of their competitors. I mean, someone has to dominate in this space and they're saying it's going to be us. They're planting their flag in the sand and it's a really, really smart move. Sacks, like you said, as two job openings, BNY, Melon has four. I guarantee you the CEOs of these other companies when they saw this are going, oh shit, they're owning this space, not a good look, because there's a finite amount of talent out there for people that do this kind of thing. If you go after them and say, I'm gonna get the 34 best in the world,

everybody else is getting scraps. They're gonna dominate because of this aggressiveness, I think. Well, you're not buying Bitcoin though. No, no, you mentioned this. What do you mean I'm not buying? Meaning you're not like... No, it's listen, some people missed it. I'm in the category of missing it.

Anybody that got an early on the Bitcoin side and they bought it at a hundred bucks or two hundred bucks or five hundred bucks. Guy said the other day my friend bought in two thousand seven five hundred dollars of Bitcoin. The guy is a deck of guy right now right and from two thousand seven to today. Yeah no it's it's in the direction we're going. I always believed in the technology. I thought the regulation would come sooner. I thought the regulation would come sooner where somebody like a Janet Yellen is going to come in and participate and kind of make it a little bit ugly. But look, more power to the Bitcoin community for getting this kind of publicity that they're getting specifically with companies with smart people like JP Morgan Chase, Morgan and Goldman,

that are entering the market. Well, you talked about Janet Yellen's of the world. Jerome Powell, chairman of the Fed recently came out and he's basically said that they're looking into the crypto space, not to you know, take away the prowess of the dollar, but to compliment it. And I think it was 86% of all to compliment it. And I think it was 86% of all central banks are also looking to this across the globe. So, and when a central bank implements a currency, that is, it is, like companies don't have to accept it. Like Bitcoin, Tesla doesn't have to accept Bitcoin.

They can make a choice. No question about it. But if a Federal Reserve of a European bank comes out and says, no, we're accepting this now, it's now the law of the life. It's official. It's official. Like, now for you with a whistle.

Now it determines the pricing of it. Now it's going to be, is it price right? Is it overpriced? Is it going to go higher? Is it going to go lower? No one knows. But it is something that is official. And there's nothing you and I can do about it.

It's here. Yeah, for sure. crypto is not going away. And you know, I have a good friend who's in this space who's really kind of an expert in it. We did a story with him and VT post a few weeks ago and he really broke it down. You know, like it's not like these businesses say, hey, we're just going to start accepting Bitcoin. They're accepting payments from processors who process the transaction from Bitcoin. So it's not like mom and pop shop or a restaurant, they can't do, they can. Because of these processing companies,

I do take the Bitcoin and then turn it into cash for these guys. So I mean, it's gonna become so much more mainstream than it is now. We've heard more about Bitcoin in the last four or five months than we have in the last four or five years. Obviously it's going up. But man, when you're talking about politics and chaos less,

there's other things to talk about. And it's like we've landed on up, but man, when you're talking about politics and chaos less, there's other things to talk about. And it's like we've landed on stocks, the market, and these big icons in the industries. That's awesome. It's awesome for them. Listen, all I can say is I love seeing anybody that comes up with an idea whether you believe it's going to happen or not for them to succeed and go up against the grain, I salute any one of them. Whether it's something I supported or not,

if it's a positive impact, and it's given competition to the market, which crypto is doing salute to everybody that's in the crypto market. Okay, so Vegas, Vegas benefits, because you guys on Vegas has been crushed. I want to MGM to get a tour there at Grand Arena. The employee said, we let go of 200 employees.

They haven't had a job. Nothing is going on in the convention business. When did you do that? Five months ago and I went there. Five months ago. Vegas benefits as Nevada eases some coronavirus rules. The tourist destination built for excess and known for bright lights, big crowds, indulgent meals

and headline shows has slowly begun to reopen after the pandemic halted business in March. Nevada Governor Steve Cysolak has signed an emergency order adjusting the minimum distance between performance and audience members at previously challenged the return of production to Las Vegas previously, performers were required to maintain 25 feet of space

between audience as a precaution against the 25 feet. I mean, that guy took it to hold it for not six feet social distancing, 25. I mean, these apparently these entertainers can spit pretty long. I mean, they're record breaking spitters apparently, if that's even a word. So, but some smaller venues could not accommodate

the restriction. The no more agency directive effective immediately updates the minimum distancing to six feet. If performers will wear in masks. If performers perform in masks in 12 feet, if they're not wearing masks, I mean, I cannot believe if performers will wear in masks, if performers were wearing masks in 12 feet, if they're not wearing masks. I mean, I cannot believe if performers can imagine Justin Bieber performer

with a mask on. I mean, it just makes no sense to me, Tom. Yeah, you know, I think no cities probably been hit harder than Vegas. I mean, for Las Vegas to become a ghost town, that's depressing for this country. And that's what it was, literally for a long time. I have a friend that went there last week

and he says, they still have the bear, they have a plastic shield for you if you're playing cards, right? At the tables, I think you can correct me if I'm wrong, if that's still the same situation. But I think Vegas is going to rebound in such a big way because this country you can tell the weight is kind of coming off everybody's shoulder, these vaccination numbers, even the doom and gloom naysayers of the world. The doctor fossies of the world can't scare people

fast enough over the optimism with all the vaccinations that are going on. And I think people are going to be spending money. You know, they're talking to the economy is doing okay. They're talking about a 4% unemployment rate by the end of this year. So that means there's going to be money out there to spend. And I think people are going to make up for lost time.

So if Vegas is opening up a little bit right now, like for me, I want to go out there sooner than later because it's going to be so damn crowded that it won't even be fun later in the year. But, you know, I like a forward thinking governor who knows tourism is our number one thing. Vegas runs this state. We got to change some rules to make it happen. By the way, what's the social distancing at some of this trip clubs? I mean, are they have to stay 25 feet apart? I mean, that probably affects their cash. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I'm gonna go find out, Tom, I don't know, I'm gonna go find out.

I think the biggest takeaway that you can see going on with news from Vegas, what's happening in the markets, what's happening in the job sector is that hospitality is back, baby. Like leisure travel, hospitality, will make a major return this summer. I mean, I was out in South Beach this weekend. It's like COVID doesn't even freaking exist down there.

Clubs, party, and packed. I mean, you can see the job numbers over here. It's February jobs, like leisure and hospitality is back. The vaccinations come, vaccinations are in place. You know, 100 million Americans have already had the vaccine, something like that. By this summer, let's say when the weather starts getting nicer, you know, a couple hundred million Americans are vaccinated.

Jobs are back. I think COVID, knock on frickin' wood, will sort of be a thing of the past. I think we'll still obviously, you know, have certain restrictions and certain ramifications not going to fricking wood will sort of be a thing of the past. I think we'll still obviously have certain restrictions and certain ramifications of having. But the stock market, you start to see that the fang stocks and the tech stocks and the NASDAQs have been getting crushed for the past month. Why do you think that is? Because all the money is going into cruise

lines, airlines, companies that specialize in hospitality, because the stock market is forward thinking, not thinking about what's currently happening, it's thinking about what's gonna happen in the next three to six months. And all indications are by the time this summer hits, hopefully back we have a return to normalcy, and then here's the key terminology that Tom sort of touched on, and it's called pent up demand.

People haven't been able to go out party vacation in a freaking year. We're almost at like the one year mark of everything shutting down. And people just want. I don't know if that's true though. You partied hardcore Madison. You partied hardcore.

Well it's the Gecko, it's the Gecko. It's just shout out to the Gecko and Paul over there. Good shout out to Tom Ellsworth's mom, Baps. It's her birthday today. Happy birthday, Baps. Baps is a good friend. We once went on a date with, I think, at the Lambo or DeFerraria, took her out,

and we had a great time together. She loved speed. I think she went bungee jumping one time in her 70s. Wow. Pretty respect. Baps is legit. Good for Baps. Here's my question to you, Pat.

How excited are you to get back to a normal Vegas type experience? How excited am I to go back to a normal experience? Vegas type experience. Like, what does that mean, Vegas type experience? Do it up. You have it up. One-year-old Vegas type, Pat, because I don't have it.

That guy does not exist anymore. Yeah, so which, are you talking about a 35-year-old, the 41-year-old? I'm talking about a 41 year old Vegas experience. Bananza, greatest show on the industry. I mean, we're gonna be putting the greatest show in this country. That's what I'm talking about, maybe what's up?

Grand Arena will have 50,000 people at MGM, Grand Arena in August, and we're excited about it. We already announced three speakers, Joe Koy, comedian, will be performing, and then we'll have Patrick Lincione, the legendary author. And then we have Frederick De Silva, the number one illusionist, in the world he is ridiculous. He'll be performing very good performer.

I've seen him do it multiple times. We've had him come out multiple times. And then we have three other speakers and retainers. One of the biggest showmen in the world will be performing on Awards ceremony night. It's a name everybody around the world knows with tens of billions of views will be entertaining. It's a massive check, but we're excited

to have them there as well. And then another person that everybody around the world knows, he officially inked yesterday. He signed yesterday. We're excited to announce him. I think April 7th, I'll be announcing, obviously I can't say what it is, but I hope so, and I'll be announcing.

And so we're excited about it. Look, here's a thing about Vegas, man. There's something about Vegas. You know, all this thing about Zoom, like, oh my gosh, business is only gonna go from working from home. No, it's not. You're not gonna work from home

because I had a guy that I talked to a 20-year kid. You remember that one 20 year old kid started crying saying, I've been in my basement. I made $150,000 the last 12 months, but I'm miserable because we need what? We need interaction. We need argument, debate, laughter, jokes, how you doing, what's going on? Sympathy and all through town. We need that. We need each other, right? Even if it's strangers, you're going to a restaurant, no one's sitting here like the food here most suck. You go to a restaurant, 28 people sitting there, like, okay, cool. I feel safe.

We feel safe being around other people as well. I'm excited about it for the folks in Vegas, Lee, a good friend of mine, that runs a very good size audiovisual company. Him and I have been going back in for these Telamy pat things are looking very, very good. Another guy named Marshall who's been doing stuff for us for a long time.

We spent millions of dollars with these guys over the years with AV. They're saying things are headed in the right direction in Vegas and not just Vegas, other places as well. Obviously Florida led the way when it comes down to anything to do with what he called it. Convention, sports, bubble, they were leading the way and it's good to see now others follow and suit as well.

Well, I know you're super excited for what will happen in Vegas. And this might be a good segue to that Zoom story that's in the news, but something that you talked about and you know, I'll use our friend Tom here as a case test, a dummy, if you will. You know, something that you've talked about, the buddy in the basement, something that you do here at ValueTam in the PHP is sometimes you just, patch shows up in your office and

goes, how are you doing, man? What's up? Cool. That's it. And that, just someone just rolling up on you, just checking it on your butt. You're good cool cool cool cool It's so frickin powerful man, especially from a CEO and people don't get that these days You know like patch shows up in your office. Hey, what's up?

Just say what's up and just that human interaction is obviously what we need it. Oh my god So just hey man, just all good like like there it's more than just like, you're like, oh, shit, let me, what's up? You know, like, it just shakes you up a little bit. We're humans, we're touching, we're talking. This is, this is needed just like, you know, water food shelter, human interaction is essential. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned the Zoom thing, you know,

there's a thing called Zoom Gloom. And it's real, there's a Stanford professor, that's spent nine months looking at this. And there's so much evidence of why it's bad. It is not good. We've all hit a breaking point. And if you think it's good for you, you think you like the freedom of not having traffic. Ultimately, this is going to destroy a lot of things in society. Yesterday, I'm on the plane coming out here. And like someone, you have a little interaction with someone. You try to smile at them. It's gone. They don't know that you're

smiling at them when you have a mask. And that's one of the interaction with someone, you try to smile at them, it's gone. They don't know that you're smiling at them when you have a mask. And that's one of the problems with Zoom too. Here's one of them. It's unnatural to be looking at yourself that long. And that's what you're doing on a Zoom call. You're seeing yourself as well. And nobody looks at themselves that long. Also, you need to be moving around during the day.

You need to have some sort of facial expression or to have some nonverbal communication. Even if it's an eye roll in a meeting if somebody says stupid, something stupid. So the Zoom thing, it's funny because Zoom stock just keeps going up and up and up. And you could say what you want about it, but people have to get back to the office.

That's why I think when Twitter came out and said, hey, you can work from home for life. Are you serious? They must be spending, be able to save so much money by not having these employees come back to the campus for them to say something like that. It doesn't make any sense. I think people will be flocking back

and wanting it and craving it. You met your kid in the basement. You know, that's a, let me ask you this. I got a crazy question for you. What is the biggest selling point? Okay. Okay, you ever talked to folks who said, I'm never gonna get married.

Yes. Never gonna get married. Yes. Never gonna get married. I'm gonna be single for the rest of my life. What is the selling point of staying single to rest your life? I guess you only have to answer for yourself or you do whatever you want whenever you want. What else is it?

What else is the benefit of being, and by the way, I'm not pointing at you because that's not you. You don't want to be single to rest your life. But when people that say they want to be single to rest their life, what did they say? Well, how did they sell it to you? The bill bar is like the poster child of this.

Yeah. Do what I want. Nobody tells me what to do. I come and go, is I please, I don't to deal with the annoying kids. Yep. Change in diapers. Sure.

Drama. As many girlfriends, you know, whatever you do, there's not enough you're like, I'm doing anything. What do I need companionship for? I can have, like, they're only talking about the upside. Yeah. Okay.

Who you venting through? Exactly. Who you vent to? Exactly. So now watch it. You know how people overly sell you on being married. What's the selling point of marriage? Come hang out with us. Like, like, you, I think you need. Companning.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. You know what's the best way to describe zoom and face to face?

Zoom your single face to face your married. Dude. It's like, I don't have any, you know, just say, what's going on all this? I'm sure. Dude, we need marriage's relationship. Man, it's like, how you doing? How you feeling?

Like, even today, I walk in Thompson and call him, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you know, pumping out a story, he's writing something like, hey, what's up, hey, what's up, Pat? And I'm like, hey, what's going on? So I think, I think the, the, the, and when we work face-to-face,

what happens more? More arguments, more when we work face to face, what happens more? More arguments, more challenges, more differences, more, I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but that's called relationships. Yeah, but you also have more collaboration, more than, yeah. So what I'm saying is it comes with more conflict,

but it also comes with why we're human beings. Nassim Talab, which I don't know if you've read any his book, he wrote, anti-ragile, skin and a game. Have you read any of this guys, but let me tell you, if you start one chapter, you will read all of his books. Let me say this one more time. If you read one chapter of Nassim Taleb, go on Amazon, read a free chapter. Once you do, prepare a couple hundred dollars because you're going to write, you're going

to read every single thing you ever wrote. Nassim Taleb, right? And he wrote skin and a game, anti-frag, a couple other books because you're gonna write, you're gonna read every single thing he ever wrote. Nassim, talent, right? And he wrote, skin in a game, anti-frag, a couple other books as well, huh? Black swan, yeah. So when you read his book, there's a part of it that he says, about anger, take this medication to not be angry,

take that medication to not have temper, take this medication for this. He says, when it rains, I feel a little bit depressed, when it rains. He says, you know, he says, when it rains, I feel a little bit depressed. When it rains. He says, guess what? I want to feel depressed. Like I want to be a human being that feels depressed,

that it's a little bit gloom, you know, it gets dark and all that. He says, when my team loses, I want that six hour annoying upset feeling for no reason. I didn't lose any money. I don't get paid. I'm not the athlete, but I want that frustration of my team just lost.

I gotta go to work tomorrow, face Johnny, who's gonna tell me, I told you we're gonna lose. He says, I want that feeling. He says, when I'm angry, I want to have that feeling. I don't want you to eliminate a part of me being angry because it's what makes me what? A human being, right? It's a human being.

Sorry, I think people are looking forward to being human beings again. Yeah, and you can be a human being in Vegas. All you want, man. Yeah, people can be dying too. Yeah, so that's that part with, we cover that story as well. So what else we got here?

Let's talk about the $1.9 trillion. What pages that on, by the way, do you see it or no? Kai, what pages does stimulus on? I thought it was page four. Is that the way, do you see it or no? Kai, what pages the stimulus on? I thought it was page four. Is that the price for that island? That private island? Oh, I want to buy the island.

Kai, do you actually have a picture of the island or no? Pull up the island. It says politics. Oh, there you go. Okay, I see politics. Go to the island, so folks, if you're looking at buying an island, there's one island on the market. By the way, Jack Dorsey's tweet is what I wanted to go next Yeah, so this island

Let's see if I got it here. Where's the island at Kai? Do you have it up the biggest private island? That island right there is on the market and they're starting it At what price I think you said there was no minimum bid yeah, no minimum bit Yeah, so here we go a big biggest private island private on sale of Bahamas about the hit auction block and there's no minimum bid. The 730 acre undeveloped island known as St Andrews or little ragged island is the Bahamas out was in most largest privately held island currently listed for sale. The estimated opening bid of 19 and a half million dollars according to the auction house holding sale bidding opens on March 26th and

it requires a $100,000 deposit. The listing notes that the island could be transformed into a private home or resort with enough space for an 18-hole golf course. The island is 10 minutes by boat from the tiny settlement of Dunkin' Town on nearby reggaed island, which has an airstrip for private planes. It's about 372 miles south of 372 miles southeast of Miami. So it's not far from here Tim McGraw and Faith Hill listed their 20 acre private island last month on which they build a 6500 score for at home for 35 million dollars the 430 acre private island that comes developed with five luxury villas, a beach club, and a spawn of both taxes now on the market for $45 million

So what do you think about buying in Ireland? Like is there any dream to want to own an island one day? No No, I thought because when I think of private island, I think of Jeffrey Epstein I think if you have a private island something bad is gonna happen Yeah, I'm suspicious of people that want private islands. You're hiding something plus I want amenities Okay, I don't want the person that's landing my plane, the air traffic controller, to also be the delivery guy for Uber Eats and the dry cleaner on the island. Okay, I want a developed country that has infrastructure.

I don't want a private island. I can live without it. That's like doing Zoom all day. Having a private island is like being on Zoom. Right, give me a big city, put me in a middle and I'll be a hell of a lot of people. I don't know if you can say anything because if you do you maybe friends with Epstein because if you Want to have an island? I'm just tagged everybody so what would you want to have an island or no for some reason the only like you're thinking of Jeffery

Epstein the one thing that I'm thinking up is the fire festival I got my own right on my own frickin island I'm throwing a party and I'm ripping people off but Who dreams of having their own island is the is the dream of owning an island shot based on what these guys just said right now Like are you like completely done wanting an island Sam wants one You want an island? No, no So how about you Sam anything with an island or no whatever who cares? Kai you don't have an opinion on an island

whoever who cares. Kai, you don't have an opinion on an island? You know what's not an island? It's cool. Richard Branson is the name where I go with private island. I mean, he's back in the island. Yeah, they got destroyed by Hurricane. And not in the country. That's what's gonna happen.

You're sitting on an island. You're set yourself up into Bahamas that some's gonna happen. But you own an island. Yeah, Branson, and then by the way, I was at Hawaii a couple of weeks ago and I was right across, right, or the island that we're staying at was Ellison's Island, right? Ellison's Island. Right? Ellison's right there. That he had 98% of the island he owns,

which pretty interesting to 98% except the beaches. You know what else isn't on a private island? A freaking hospital. Okay, what happens if you get bit by a shark on your private island? What the hell are you gonna do? You're basically saying it sounds good in theory, but in practicality, it just sounds like crap. So, yeah, a lot of work. If a similar, if a friend in your life that's like the guy from Couples Retreat,

comes to you and says, him and his wife are thinking about getting a divorce and they're going to an island, couples retreat, you and Shanda would not go to the married island, you wouldn't go to it, you wouldn't want to go there for like a week I can't go anywhere for a week number one. So that rule that's out that is officially out. Yeah, I mean, I think there's something about an island I don't know The only thing for me that I think about an island is I think about recruiting people

I care about to live together on an island. Like it's like, listen, if you got all the money in the world, you're 65, we're like, listen, you get your 20 best, you know, couples that you hang out with, you're like, dude, what if we all build a home and we go there and we build a little community for ourselves and we just hang out?

You know, what would that look like? You know, I think it'd be a fun weekend. I just don't know how you can sustain it out there. Oh, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree. I don't think you're buying an island to live on an island. Although Larry Ellison is saying he's going to go live on the island and leave California,

but I don't know if that's going to be an island. Let me tell you, being a South Florida boy, Miami boy, I only have like a few islands in mind. Fisher Island, Star Island, Hybuski, is Palm Island, South Beach itself is an island. Like that's the islands that I'm interested in. That's what happens I don't want to be a royal family. Yes

Is I am still thinking about Blake Griffin going to the nets that's still what I'm thinking about I just have anything left do you think yeah, I think he does for being a number four guy I think I think he's a good number four guy. I don't think someone's got to rebound, right? No, he's a good number four guy. By the way, he's actually got good shots. 17 footer, you know, 18 footer, he's, he's going to be a good fit for that team. He's going to be good fit for that team. He's still one of the top, I think, 20 highest player paid players in the NBA, which is a rip off,

but that's departed. Ali, they protect the players. Well, look at the NFL. Dak Prescott is now the highest second highest 120,000, 22 guarantee. Oh, really? What do you think about that though? I go to VT post.com and you'll see how I think about it. I really post the story. Yeah, post the story of VT post.com. Um, I, the headlines pretty good. You'll have to read the headline then you. If you read the headline. You'll know what I feel about. Which one would have been sports overpaid Dallas Cowboys to pay Dak Prescott like his Amazon.com even though he's winning percentage resembles a USB.

That's you and your titles man. That's kind of how I feel about it. Jerry Jones was backed into a corner. He had a tent to do this. Well go to my last line. I think I had a good analogy at the end. I go because I was drawn. I was saying Tom Brady has taken less money.

He's wanted other talent there. He doesn't care how highly paid he is. Right. If Tom Brady were to be compensated based on that Prescott's criteria, he'd be worth almost as much as a new school teacher, husband of Jeff Fates. It's like, my kids, he's got to great callback. That is a good callback.

So anyway, so I think he had to do it. Jerry Jones had to sign him, but I tell you, I tell you in that part, the one thing about no matter how much people say about Jerry,, the one thing about no matter how much people say about Jerry, there's one thing about Jerry that's very unique. You know what it is? He doesn't change quarterbacks that often. Once he locks on to, if Jerry believes in you, Jerry believes in you, like Jerry's like,

you know, who was before a press god? Who was a quarterback before a press god? Tony Romo. Tony Romo. Like everybody said, dude, trade him already. He's like, no, I'm sticking to him. I'm sticking to him. Right.

Even with all the injuries that I said, well, you know, press god, you know, you're, you're, you're, he's sticking with press god. After injury, paying this kind of money, and he overpaid, because two years ago, he was going to pay him 30 million years. So he ended up paying this contract. So there's a part of Jerry, there you have to know,

no matter what people say about Jerry, good for Jerry for doing what he did with that. Day, by the way, Jerry made hundreds of millions during that Texas storm. He's invested in these energy companies or oil companies. Somehow, if you look at up Jerry Jones really, really profited over those storms, I love Jerry.

I think the Cowboys have to be interesting and exciting for the NFL to be great. I miss the Cowboys being truly relevant. And I just don't think Dak Prescott is the guy to make him that way. So I don't think so. I think they are what they are I mean they they might make the playoffs, but they're not gonna do any damage So I think you know, they're stuck with him for four years and they're not gonna be going to the super long

There's no way they're going through the super long No way because his contract is prohibitive to bring you to another town or like what's your No, no, it's less than 33 percent and you know what my percentages are dead on You don't have a track I have never wrong Prince Charles is going to give up the crown after one month and turn it over to William market down Tom's got a lot of predicts. Yeah Just blindly throwing No, no

I don't know you academy of composition art collectors love my art score He give a hundred bucks system that lets them put the into a number of quality of RPVD. You probably don't have time to check it out. Would you send an email to info at value team and maybe I'll take a look at it if you send it at infoipatreon.com. Pat, what's your thoughts on DARPA? Creating cryptocurrency government would not allow new

currency unless they have full control. I mean, that's, again, for me, currency is based on control that I see some of these guys wanting to get involved. And they want to be able to control it. Trump will buy that and bring his mega fans to start his own cut. Charlene. Please do, Donald. Please go ahead, head there.

Get your own island. And our buddy here, Kovie, 12x, 12x, said, I just paid to say, I love you, even you, Adam. Andx 12 said I just paid to say I love you even you Adam And I meant it from the bottom of my heart. I love you Adam. I love you Okay, you were gonna say something about Prescott before I interrupted you Am I the only one here? I love seeing the Cowboys lose. I love it. You're stealing but I don't know why but it's a lot of people Cowboys I love it. It's a lot of people. I just I did just a lot of people I did like the the Michael Irvin Emmett Smith Troy Ackman days, you know early 90s that there was some swag but

Every year people jump on the cowboy. This is our year and like I don't will Jerry Jones win another Super Bowl before His time you know the clock runs out Is my What do you want to do to a cow? What do you mean answer the question? Oh my answer the question that Jerry Jones you have crossed the line you will And it's so many people well, I mean I first of all Stop getting so emotional. I'm gonna hacks me. I tell you the the British Empire is about to hack the hell out of you Go ahead. Okay, so you're not going to answer the question.

I don't know what the question is. Is Jerry Jones going to win another Super Bowl before he died? I think so because he's going to live to be a hundred and they have to get past this Dak Prescott disaster. And he's not. I like Dak. He's a good quarterback, but he's not great. You're saying you're agreeing with Tom or you're agreeing with me.

Oh, whether they're going to win. Yes. I'm betting on he's going to win. Yeah, he's an ultimate winner. Everything he does. I'm betting he he's gonna win. Yeah, he's an ultimate winner. Everything he does. I'm betting he's gonna win. Okay, so this was after the Super Bowl, the year that the Cowboys beat. It was the one they played and they beat Pittsburgh. Okay, so they win the Super Bowl. And I was, I was there. We were doing our Sunday night show live on the field right after the Super Bowl. This is when I was working in Chicago. And Jerry Jones couldn't

have been cooler. We grab him right at 1030. Boom, boom, boom. He's doing an interview with him. So then we have just a few minutes left in the show and I was gonna go into the locker room and try to get some interviews with a couple more players. So I'm waiting in line. I finally get into this cramped Cowboys locker room and on and nowhere this guy starts calling my name. He's going, my man!

And I, my man, we did it. And he's looking right at me. And I couldn't, I was looking behind me to see, he must have been talking to somebody else. Finally, this guy is zeroing in on me. Wait, did I told you we were gonna do it? It was Deon Sanders. So he got me confused with somebody else.

So I thought to myself, let me go over there. He clearly thinks I'm somebody else, but let me run with this. Let me go try to get an interview. We can get him live. I go over there. He hugs me. And I'm, did he think I was Chris Bauer? I don't know who he thought I was at the time.

So this is classic. So I go, Dei, Dei, we only have a couple of minutes. Could you come outside to do a quick interview? It goes, Ma,

you know my motto. If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense. He literally told me that line on the spot. I don't know who he thought he was, but that was his way of not doing the interview. If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense. So that was his way of declining the end. And to this day, I would love to find out who he thought I was. Because he was like,

he did not recognize the great Tom Zatter. My theory is, maybe he thought I was Chris Fowler of ESPN. I'm not sure. What do you put where you put the odds greatest athletes of all time? God, he's got to be right up there. When you think about him playing in the Super put ahead of him. Project greatest athlete. You put boy. Yeah, a little bit. I don't know an either statistic if he did more than the on the statistic.

The one thing was speed one was strength. Oh, no, no, no, no. The Dion was a 320 hitter. He had a season where he had 320 in baseball. That ain't easy to do that. And Dion had it both to 70. Yeah, yeah. You know what, the thing Dion overbo will never know with bow.

That's the problem because you know, he got injured and it was over. But man, they were both spectacular. You don't know, but Dion, but Dion changed games. I mean, he completely shut down one half of the field. That's true. They were not even tried to throw to him back in the day. That's the private island right there.

And he was a threat returning punts and he was exciting. I mean, he was the most exciting player in the league for so long and we miss him. Yeah, he was. Listen, the one thing, let me just see this batting gap because batting average tells you if you can make it or not. Like, you know, Tibo went in there. Yeah, he had 304 in a season. It's not easy hitting 304 in the season. Bo. Yeah, he had 304 in a season. It's not easy hitting 304 in the season.

Bo Jackson didn't hit 304 in the season. But Bo was a great athlete. So the on-standers, if there's a guy, imagine racing with him, 40 yard dash at his peak. They say he ran a 419. Yeah, 419 is what you're doing. A 419 and they, know four to one and they say

Bo ran a four one nine he said Bo just came in said you ready no stretching no nothing ran or one nine and he left did you hear the the latest story with Dion Sanders you know he's a head football coach for small school I think a historically black college yeah I forgot which he coaches first game They crushed them. They won and then he came back to the his locker room retired and went into the office He came back to his office all his stuff was stolen his jewelry his wallet his credit cards and it was like Obviously, he's like I got to tell you I did the press conference. We won the game and all that. Well, where's my shit? Someone stole my shit.

And like in the middle of the press conference, something to that effect, it resurfaced. And he's like, nah, nah, nah, I ain't playing that game. Someone stole my shit. And I don't know who it was. But there was some drama going on with Dio. It became the big story because he thought he had a stuff stolen.

And he made the whole press conference about that. But then they tried to say, no, no, no, it was just a mistake. Someone else accidentally took it or whatever. He wasn't buying it. No, he's like, they're like, Deanna, how does it feel to win? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we won the game.

Whatever. Where's my shit? Think I don't win my chain right now. I'd be stolen too. Where's my shit? He must have had some expensive stuff at that he left it the whole time. So Tom, why don't you tell us about your book

that's coming off? Well, thanks. Okay, so here it is, Pat, you saw it standing here. So about a year ago, I started writing this book. It was, you know what it's like to write a book. It's a process, it's a journey. This book is on Daniel Ponce daily own. Okay, so a lot of you know of him, but maybe you don't,

but you've seen him. So he's a pitcher for the St. Louis Cardinals right now, a great guy, unbelievable human being. So back in 2017, he was pitching in AAA for the Memphis Redbirds in Iowa against the Iowa Cubs. The game started at one o'clock, which actually was a big part of this story. He was pitching in AAA for the Memphis Redbirds in Iowa against the Iowa Cubs. The game started at one o'clock, which actually was a big part of this story. He gets hit in the head with a line drive and he goes down.

Now this made all the newscasts. It was played everywhere. He goes down. There was no bleeding and he never really passed out, but inside the hemorrhaging was going on. So luckily, the trainer was so smart and got on the scene immediately, identified everything, did everything right. The got him off, he was begging to stay in the game, long story short, they get him off

the field and then all hell breaks loose. He's throwing up, you know, they cut his uniform off, they get him to the hospital, emergency surgery, shaved off part of his skull, doctors told him you will never play baseball again, which it seems to be a logical thing, right? Now he had just had a baby. He's a Christian, but really wasn't living the life maybe exactly how he wanted to or he felt he should be. Starts healing.

He's an intensive care for over a week. He starts healing, okay? Decides to try to keep playing baseball. His head finally heals too, and he comes back the next year, and he's in the minor leagues again. So great success story. He defied the odds.

Gets called up into the majors in July of 2018. In his major league debut against the Cincinnati Reds. He goes to the mound and throws a seven inning no hitter. MLB.com calls it the second greatest debut in baseball history. So then they got the idea to write the book. I was one of the writers they were considering there was a long process to be selected.

I bet. Yeah, and then I went out and spent some time with Daniel and I put the book proposal together and then we ended up selling it to Hashet and Hashet books published it and it comes out today. March 9th is the day. You'll be seeing Daniel on the news a lot today. They're in Jupiter, Florida as a matter of fact, not far from here.

I mean, go say hi to him today, but it's a brilliant book. Or if it's a great book on his story, just, and I think anybody can apply some of this to their life. If you're an entrepreneur, if you're, if you're anybody, if you have family issues, if anything like that, anything can be overcome when you can be in intensive care and told you'll never play baseball again. And then to throw a no hitter in your major league debut, it's unbelievable. The best part is he's doing something with his life now.

He's inspiring a lot of people. And that was the whole intent with this book is to tell his story so we can help people. And that's all Daniel wants to accomplish with this. And it was great working with him. And he's a class act and a great guy and he's a really good pitcher. I mean, he is one of those power pitchers that strikes out a lot of batters

and now he's with the Cardinals and he's gonna be one of their top players this year. So it's out today, it's a great story how you can overcome any kind of odds with faith, perseverance and hard work. That's what the bottom line is. And that's something we stand for by Tama and what we talk about.

The best of comeback stories and redeeming yourself redemption. I just added the link. They're great story. I said, order Tom's book. It's in the chat box. Kyle, let's put it in the comment section as well. Look, if you follow the contest, the podcast,

we don't sell you much. We do maybe sponsorships here and there when people ask us and we like the products. If you support us, I suggest you go support Tom Xenner and buy the latest book that came out one line drive, the story of Daniel, Daniel Ponce, Delion with Tom Xenner. Again, we'll put the link below. If you support the podcast, you enjoyed the podcast, you like what we do with vitamin, go order this book today. Just came out today. Congratulations. Thank you so much. I just came out today. Congratulations, man.

Thank you so much. I appreciate the time. Yeah, and you guys got your copies. You're going to enjoy it. I'm making sure you get one at them too. You'll love it. I know writing a book is emotional. I know writing a business book is you're constantly working on it.

Writing a story like this. You want to get all the details right. And it's exciting when you finally have it. And with the company like Hoshet, Hoshet's got a reputation as a publisher. So it's very exciting to get that place. It is a very interesting. I appreciate it. Yeah.

I wrote it during the pandemic at the beginning of it. I really like the very beginning of the pandemic every day. And real quick, what's the connection with Jeff Deutsch? Oh, yeah. So Jeff Deutsch, a good friend of ours. He's Daniel's manager, he's a former agent. So all these worlds kind of collided.

It's really crazy. Just the shrinking of the world is crazy. WineOneLineDrive.com gives you a little bit backstory on the book. WineDrive.com. How does WineDrive.com? Pants is probably a 28 now, 20, 30. And you know what, here's the funny thing too,

because you know what it's like. When you have someone that you're work with to write a book, you form a unique relationship and you have to come up with whatever style works for you. And I know he completely submerged himself into his life when he did the book on you. Daniel and I had our own way of doing it that really seemed to work.

But this was funny and I found it ironic at the very beginning. We have the same birthday. And I just think that it's so bizarre. Crazy. Yeah, right? I just think there's a little bit of something too that which is just crazy.

And he's from LA. So it's a big deal in LA. My time's down in his birthday. January 16th. Oh, you just same day as Daniel Ponce. Wow. So, you know, it's a big deal in LA. Why is Tom Zener's birthday? January 16th. Oh, you're just, same day as Daniel Ponce. Yeah, we got him. No, you didn't just cigars. It's cigars and the wine, right?

We didn't even hear about it. We didn't even hear about it. Yeah, it was a birthday. It was a birthday. We were moving. Cap. Well, it was during everybody having COVID is what the era was. Even you, on your birthday.

Yeah, I'll be very, very, very. Thanks, guys. You know, I like to keep my, birthday on the down low because my kids don't know how old I am and I want to keep it that way. 41. You're younger than me. Exactly. You're little.

It was right. Tough for me just hitting 40, man. I was still depressed last year, but man, I'm getting over it. Yeah. We look great, buddy. Gang, uh, once again, episode 44 reminder for everybody that we are doing 45 Episode 45 this Thursday at 9 a.m. Eastern Standard time. So we're gonna go and hour tested this Thursday to see What's gonna happen with West Coast people because they keep saying I want to be on at live Can you go a little earlier? We start its 5 a.m. Over there

They would like it to be 6 a.m. When we because they miss the first hour. And this Thursday will be having Tom Ellsworth here with us. So this Tuesday was time. So it's Tom Tom. Maybe even babs makes an appearance. Who knows? Yes. Last week was Sonata and Daniel de Martino. And this week, it's Tom and Tom. Okay. Let me just say one last thing. Keep it rolling. And the impact I'm seeing Pat is unbelievable. I mean, I was out and about the last few weeks and value taniers are out there just pumping up the podcast. They love it. It's just so bizarre when you're out there in the world and you're seeing it. So credit to you for what you've built and man, it's getting big. Yeah. I mean, this is just the beginning. You're not got David. David Patrick. I know you. Well, when they see you, they don't even know you're not just They just say, Soymilk, what's up? Soymilk.

You know, you got the nickname. We go take a shot of milk. All right. If you enjoyed it, smash that subscribe button. Help us cross 100,000 subscribers. So we can potentially go to three days a week. And with that being said, we will see you again next Thursday coming up at 9 a.m.

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